Speaker 1: Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is
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Speaker 2: Same to realize I need to step up and be
Speaker 2: a better mom.
Speaker 3: I mean, I hate to be the bearer by news,
Speaker 3: but you're not going to get the opportunity for a
Speaker 3: long long time.
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Speaker 4: your children.
Speaker 5: You're going to.
Speaker 3: Jail today, if I have my way, You're going as
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Speaker 6: Some knights start with laughter and with sirens. No one
Speaker 6: sees it coming until it's too late. Some knights are
Speaker 6: simply born under a bad sign. You likely won't even
Speaker 6: feel it at first. The music's loud, the drinks are flowing,
Speaker 6: and it all feels harmless enough. But violence rarely announces itself.
Speaker 6: It rarely sends an R s v P with a
Speaker 6: self addressed, stamped envelope. Often it builds quietly, bubbling beneath
Speaker 6: the surface until it does what all bubbles do, and
Speaker 6: it bursts without warning. And when it does, the people
Speaker 6: who pay the price are rarely the ones looking for trouble.
Speaker 6: They're the ones standing too close when the world suddenly
Speaker 6: tilts towards chaos.
Speaker 7: Okay, how many times have been stabbed?
Speaker 5: I watched it happen.
Speaker 8: The guy had been He stabbed him in the shoulder.
Speaker 7: Say that he has.
Speaker 6: On April twenty third, twenty twenty three, at about three am,
Speaker 6: deputies from the Hawking County Sheriff's Office were dispatched to
Speaker 6: a remote cabin talked deep in the woods of Sugar Growth,
Speaker 6: a lovely village in the wonderful state of Ohio, which
Speaker 6: we love so much on this program, namely because of
Speaker 6: all the wonderful and colorful people that lived there, had
Speaker 6: all of the wonderful content they bring us. When deputies
Speaker 6: finally arrived to their destination, they found a group of
Speaker 6: young adults gathered near the front porch of the cabin.
Speaker 6: They were visibly shaken and clustered around a young man
Speaker 6: sprawled on the ground. The young man was covered in blood.
Speaker 6: He had been stabbed several times, and time was running out.
Speaker 5: Charlie, yes he is.
Speaker 9: Billion, I was back.
Speaker 6: Deputies learned that the young man's name was Charlie. While
Speaker 6: waiting for paramedics to arrive, his friends hovered close, supplying
Speaker 6: makeshift bandages and holding pressure on his stab wounds. They
Speaker 6: urged Charlie to hang on and keep fighting.
Speaker 5: You got it, You're so tough.
Speaker 4: Come on, Charlie, Yeah, you got it.
Speaker 2: On, Charlie, so good, Come on, you're so strong about.
Speaker 10: How strong you're gonna be.
Speaker 4: You're the strongest person I know.
Speaker 11: Anybody can make this like this, it's huge.
Speaker 3: There we goes squats here.
Speaker 12: Yeah, come on, Charlie.
Speaker 5: I'm so proud.
Speaker 13: I'm so proud.
Speaker 14: You're knowing so good.
Speaker 15: Keep pushing for us, all right, model to the neck,
Speaker 15: you guys, I'm not quite sure he has seals.
Speaker 6: After several agonizing minutes, paramedics arrived on scene and Charlie
Speaker 6: was gurneyed into an ambulance.
Speaker 4: How don't you shout?
Speaker 9: Nine sty went one two thirty four five one on
Speaker 9: his back, next six.
Speaker 16: Six thats two to the right, john slash year, one
Speaker 16: of the neck, one of the.
Speaker 7: Top part of his like his trap, one of the
Speaker 7: boys said, and one on the back.
Speaker 6: Charlie was in critical condition, and he was soon airlifted
Speaker 6: to the nearest trauma center, where doctors and surgeons would
Speaker 6: attempt to save his life. Back at the cabin, deputies
Speaker 6: began the grim task of piecing together what had gone
Speaker 6: so violently wrong?
Speaker 7: A wait us the stabbing.
Speaker 4: I saw everything you saying.
Speaker 7: So who else it? You? Two?
Speaker 17: Just you two?
Speaker 16: Okay, all right, I got some detectives coming.
Speaker 6: Roughly fifteen to twenty potential witnesses remained at the scene,
Speaker 6: all of them in their early twenties. Deputies corralled the
Speaker 6: group around a nearby fire pit and waited for detectives
Speaker 6: to arrive. When the inside of the cabin was searched,
Speaker 6: deputies found all the markings of a fun college like party.
Speaker 6: Decorations hung from the ceiling, beer bottles littered every surface,
Speaker 6: The kitchen sink overflowed with dishes, and a table in
Speaker 6: the living room showed signs of a recently played drinking game.
Speaker 6: Back outside, the first detectives pulled up and questioning began.
Speaker 18: So, first of all, what time did you get here?
Speaker 19: I got here yesterday, okay, so.
Speaker 18: It's now almost six o'clock on Sunday mornings.
Speaker 10: I got here on Friday Friday. I helped decorate and
Speaker 10: set up.
Speaker 18: Okay, So when you say, it's a great setip, but
Speaker 18: what was this?
Speaker 19: Uh his twenty first, twenty thirty birthday?
Speaker 18: Okay, so this is Dalton's twenty third birthday.
Speaker 6: The two story wood cabin had been rented for the
Speaker 6: weekend by twenty three year old Dalton Flag as part
Speaker 6: of his birthday celebration.
Speaker 10: All right, so this is your birthday party? Yes, okay,
Speaker 10: so walk me. How long have you been here this year?
Speaker 18: The whole weekend? Yeah, we got here Friday like four pm,
Speaker 18: I think it was.
Speaker 6: Dalton arrived at the cabin that Friday evening with his
Speaker 6: girlfriend and roommate. The three of them started setting up,
Speaker 6: decorating the space and anticipation of what they hoped would
Speaker 6: be a carefree weekend of partying with friends. Naturally, Dalton
Speaker 6: had sent out the invites, including one to twenty two
Speaker 6: year old Charles Starner, known to most as Charlie or Chuck.
Speaker 6: Charlie was a manager at a small pizzeria where he
Speaker 6: employed several of the friends, He was engaged and the
Speaker 6: father of a nine month old son. That night, Charlie
Speaker 6: showed up to a party with his fiance and two
Speaker 6: close friends.
Speaker 3: So you get here tonight around seven pm?
Speaker 10: Okay, you wrote down with Charlie, Caleb and Rachel. Okay,
Speaker 10: what happens when you guys get here? Everything is fine
Speaker 10: and dandy.
Speaker 18: Everything was fine.
Speaker 20: That kid wasn't even here when I first got at
Speaker 20: your ead inchuke for the kids. That step Charlie wasn't
Speaker 20: here for hours when I was here, and everything was.
Speaker 10: Fine, okay.
Speaker 6: The atmosphere at the cabin was everything you'd expect from
Speaker 6: a typical college aged party. People were drinking heavily, some
Speaker 6: smoking weed, and a few others were openly using cocaine.
Speaker 6: The hot tub was in use, drinking games were underway,
Speaker 6: and everyone seemed to be having a great time until
Speaker 6: suddenly they weren't.
Speaker 18: It was pretty chill. Then, how did we get to this? Honestly,
Speaker 18: I don't know where were you at.
Speaker 21: I was inside and I just heard people screaming, so
Speaker 21: I ran out to look because obviously I'm nowsing, but
Speaker 21: me and Ryan like heard them yelling, so we ran
Speaker 21: out to check it out. And he was just fighting, which, uh,
Speaker 21: it was just a bunch of the guys.
Speaker 18: So there's more than two people fighting.
Speaker 21: It wasn't really fighting. Everyone was just yelling at each other.
Speaker 17: And then.
Speaker 21: We went inside because we didn't really think anything of it.
Speaker 21: Then we heard a bunch of screaming and I came
Speaker 21: out and that's when I saw, like the guy.
Speaker 18: I don't even know who he was, So the guy
Speaker 18: you're talking about, the person who was hurt.
Speaker 21: Or the person that was hurt. I see him where
Speaker 21: I think his neck, I don't know. I just seemed
Speaker 21: blood like dripping down him and that freaked me out
Speaker 21: and I took off running into the woods because I
Speaker 21: was scared.
Speaker 6: One of the first challenges detective's face was that not
Speaker 6: everyone at the party had witnessed the stabbing. To make
Speaker 6: matters worse, many of the attendees were strangers to one another,
Speaker 6: having met for the first time that night. When questioned,
Speaker 6: several had trouble recalling names, making the investigation difficult to untangle.
Speaker 18: Do you know who did this or were you told?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 19: I know his name, okay, Isaac Pince, Isaac Paince, I
Speaker 19: don't know how to spell it.
Speaker 18: He's the one. Everyone said it. He was the one
Speaker 18: that drove the car, pulled the car out of here.
Speaker 18: I don't know what kind of car. Will see him leave.
Speaker 18: I'll see him peel out with the car. Who's anybody
Speaker 18: with him?
Speaker 7: I think it's fiance.
Speaker 6: Despite the challenges, detectives managed to determine who had been stabbed,
Speaker 6: and perhaps more importantly, who had done the stabbing. Over
Speaker 6: and over, the partygoers pointed to one person, a young
Speaker 6: man named Isaac Pence.
Speaker 10: So you guys are hanging out. When does Isaac arrive?
Speaker 20: I couldn't tell you, like an exact time.
Speaker 22: And if I didn't guess, i'd.
Speaker 10: Say the weaven who's he arrived with?
Speaker 18: And is that his fiance?
Speaker 10: I think I think their may engaged.
Speaker 7: Maybe I'm non positive on that work, Okay, I.
Speaker 18: Know the data for sure.
Speaker 6: Twenty year old Isaac Pence arrived at the cabin with
Speaker 6: his fiance, Sabra Flag, who was the sister of the
Speaker 6: birthday host, Dalton Flag. Sabra was the only reason Isaac
Speaker 6: had been invited in the first place, and it didn't
Speaker 6: take long for detectives to learn that Isaac and Dalton
Speaker 6: had a rocky history.
Speaker 18: How he and Isaac been together like four years? So
Speaker 18: do you know Isaac?
Speaker 19: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Who is he?
Speaker 18: What do you mean? Play good person? I'm a good person.
Speaker 19: When he's not drinking.
Speaker 18: Yes, when he's drinking Isaac was drinking.
Speaker 19: Yes, and time he drinks.
Speaker 18: He's very violent, has Isaac and never had bad blood before?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 19: Because he just he doesn't treat Saber well at all. Yeah,
Speaker 19: but they never got along.
Speaker 23: And I told like, I like Saber wanted to come,
Speaker 23: and Dalon's like, Isaac would only allow her to come
Speaker 23: if he came with her, And Dalton was like, not
Speaker 23: okay with it, but he said, as long as he's
Speaker 23: not drinking.
Speaker 19: But as soon as he came to the house he
Speaker 19: was drinking.
Speaker 18: In trouble before for drinking for one.
Speaker 19: I know he's on probation for something he's not supposed
Speaker 19: to be drinking, and he is.
Speaker 6: By nearly all accounts, Isaac Pence had a reputation for
Speaker 6: being a violet drunk. He had only just recently been
Speaker 6: released from jail for assaulting Sabra and Dalton's mother. Dalton
Speaker 6: knew Isaac was trouble. He didn't want him at the party,
Speaker 6: especially not in a secluded cabin in the woods, but
Speaker 6: to keep peace with his sister stir, Dalton gave in
Speaker 6: and allowed Isaac to attend. That would turn out to
Speaker 6: be a grave mistake.
Speaker 10: Who was Isaac West? Who did he sleep with?
Speaker 16: My sister?
Speaker 24: Sabrify She stays with Isaac and his parents, So she
Speaker 24: lives with Isaac and his parents and Isaac's had issues
Speaker 24: in the past. He's put his hands on my sister,
Speaker 24: and he's just literally went to jail three months ago
Speaker 24: for putting his hands on my mom.
Speaker 10: How old was Isaac?
Speaker 12: Twenty twenty one?
Speaker 6: By this point, detectives had started to piece together the
Speaker 6: key relationships and some of the night's events, but this
Speaker 6: information hadn't come quickly. Hours had passed and partygoers were
Speaker 6: now sobering up. Many were growing restless and increasingly impatient
Speaker 6: with the process.
Speaker 5: I wanted to fucking go home. I've been sitting here
Speaker 5: for fucking hours. I'm freezing. We're not I get it.
Speaker 5: I am fucking old as fun.
Speaker 7: You understand it, bro?
Speaker 5: Why are you? Why are you choking?
Speaker 12: Why are you choking?
Speaker 5: Why do you get your record recordish? Hey, records that
Speaker 5: have a fuck?
Speaker 4: You're choking?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 6: That guy was taking a jail for disrupting the scene
Speaker 6: of an emergency. And the interviews continued. As detectives continue
Speaker 6: to ask questions, they eventually learned how the party was
Speaker 6: turned into a scene of chaos and violence.
Speaker 10: All right, so what started this whole argument?
Speaker 24: So everyone, like most people were leaving, Isaac was beyond
Speaker 24: drugging and he was calling everyone like names. I don't
Speaker 24: even like, I don't even know why he was acting
Speaker 24: where he was because everybody was leaving and everything, like.
Speaker 18: Everything we roll done.
Speaker 24: He started acting, pushing other people, me and my o
Speaker 24: over there and say heyboy, like just see he's like
Speaker 24: you're fine, You're good, like just you're good.
Speaker 25: Just leave.
Speaker 20: Like from the leave he got super mad and they
Speaker 20: started to raise their voices at each other.
Speaker 18: For some reason, he pushed a rising really hard, like into.
Speaker 20: A table, okay, And then that was when things like
Speaker 20: really escalated because now Dalton was super mad because his
Speaker 20: girlfriend got pushed and they.
Speaker 10: Were just like screaming at each other.
Speaker 19: He didn't want to leave.
Speaker 12: He came charging, pushed me.
Speaker 13: On the ground and charged at Dalton, and then that's
Speaker 13: when Dalton came back at him, and everyone pulled him off,
Speaker 13: and then he started coming at everyone else in the house,
Speaker 13: and then that's when.
Speaker 19: It went outside.
Speaker 6: Several witnesses explained that the violence started when Dalton asked
Speaker 6: Isaac to leave. In response, Isaac shoved Dalton's girlfriend, arising,
Speaker 6: sending her crashing to the ground. The moment people saw
Speaker 6: Isaac put his hands on a woman, the atmosphere snapped,
Speaker 6: voices exploded in anger, and the confrontation spilled outside onto
Speaker 6: the driveway of the cabin.
Speaker 10: What happens when they get outside?
Speaker 13: There was a group of people telling him to leave.
Speaker 13: We told him we were about to call nine one
Speaker 13: one if he didn't leave. Everyone say no, no, his or
Speaker 13: his baby arms say.
Speaker 7: No, no't call nine one one.
Speaker 11: He's on probation.
Speaker 12: He's gonna get in trouble.
Speaker 6: A crowd quickly formed. A large group surrounded Isaac, telling
Speaker 6: him to leave. At the same time, a smaller group
Speaker 6: held Dalton back, trying to stop him from launching into
Speaker 6: a fistfight with Isaac like I was trying to.
Speaker 18: Come out and Cray and all them me like it's
Speaker 18: not worth it. Just he's leaving. Cray Yeah, crazy right?
Speaker 10: There is that real name?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 18: I think it's like c One.
Speaker 6: Sorry to interrupt the flow of the story here, but
Speaker 6: I have a question, ask what the hell's going on
Speaker 6: with the names at this party? Cray, Sabra, Horizon, Teca,
Speaker 6: and Cinnamon, just to name a few.
Speaker 1: What the hell?
Speaker 6: What kind of dope smoking bead wearing crystal charging music festival,
Speaker 6: attending double wide living minimum wage earning ANTIFA supporting wannabe
Speaker 6: hippie parents named these dumbass children, we gotta set up
Speaker 6: your kin for success with a name like Cinnamon. By
Speaker 6: the way, Sure that'll keep her off the pole. Next
Speaker 6: up on stage, Cinneamon. Anyway, Dalton was being held back
Speaker 6: by his friends who were telling him not to fight Isaac,
Speaker 6: while several others were shouting at Isaac, telling him to
Speaker 6: get into his car and pedal is a little lass
Speaker 6: out of there?
Speaker 10: What did you see or observe from that time forward?
Speaker 13: A whole bunch of pushing okay, shouting, yelling, pushing, yelling,
Speaker 13: shoving okay, And then what happened?
Speaker 18: He was essentially carried to his car by life three.
Speaker 22: Or four people trying to get him to like there
Speaker 22: wasn't no him wanting to leave like he was.
Speaker 10: Definitely, it was more like a forceful.
Speaker 22: Like he had the yeah, like there was multiple guys
Speaker 22: grabbing him and trying to shove him in his own car,
Speaker 22: trying to get him to just be gone.
Speaker 10: Okay, and where.
Speaker 20: Is yes in the car.
Speaker 10: With him into the passenger seat okay.
Speaker 6: Several guys dragged Isaac to the driver's side of his
Speaker 6: car at about the same time, Isaac's fiance Sabra, hopped
Speaker 6: in the passenger seat of the same car.
Speaker 26: So at this point they're in the car and there's
Speaker 26: a couple of people like banging on the windows. He
Speaker 26: gets mad and opens and he opened the door, and
Speaker 26: Charlie was one of the people that were.
Speaker 18: Trying to get him in the car and get him
Speaker 18: to leave, and he.
Speaker 20: Just happened to be the guy in front of the
Speaker 20: driver's door, just grabbing him for whatever reason and started
Speaker 20: stabbing him.
Speaker 18: Like it was like six times too. I saw Charlie
Speaker 18: fall to the ground.
Speaker 10: Does he immediately get back in the car and leave?
Speaker 18: What?
Speaker 10: What's the next course of action?
Speaker 20: Just gets in his car, slams the door and spends tires,
Speaker 20: drags up the drop one d was.
Speaker 18: Just so crazy.
Speaker 13: I walk inside and then I think, like ten minutes after,
Speaker 13: they come out and he.
Speaker 12: Said he just stabbed him. He just stabbed him. What
Speaker 12: is going on? What are you looking for? She's like,
Speaker 12: Charlie just got stabbed.
Speaker 6: When Isaac was forced into his car, he reached into
Speaker 6: the center console, pulled out a small work knife, grabbed
Speaker 6: the nearest person and just started stabbing. I mean, that's
Speaker 6: what I always do when I'm frustrated. His unlucky victim
Speaker 6: was Charlie Starner. With no warning, Charlie was struck multiple times,
Speaker 6: including potentially fatal stabs to his back and neck. He
Speaker 6: collapsed to the ground, bleeding heavily, while Isaac slammed his
Speaker 6: car door shut and sped off with Sabra, you know,
Speaker 6: like the hummus.
Speaker 8: I was standing up for a porch, and I watched
Speaker 8: him get stabbed right there next to my truck, and uh,
Speaker 8: Jimmy and the guy who's covered in blood. He carried
Speaker 8: him over here to the other side of my truck.
Speaker 12: Where the big pull of blood is.
Speaker 8: And I opened up the back of my truck and
Speaker 8: started rummaging through and grabbing my mid kids.
Speaker 6: Among the guests at the party was a young woman
Speaker 6: named Amanda Chapman who had a background in ems. When
Speaker 6: Charlie went down, Amanda rushed to her truck, grabbed a
Speaker 6: medical kit, and began doing everything she could to help.
Speaker 10: Tonight was a story, and that was terrifying.
Speaker 26: I understand completely well, the two that were out here,
Speaker 26: can you identify both of them?
Speaker 12: So Charlie is the one that I was of a
Speaker 12: sternal reb on.
Speaker 10: I don't know the guy that was in the car of.
Speaker 12: That stabbed him. I guess his girls lost with him.
Speaker 8: Okay, everybody that's here right now, I really don't think
Speaker 8: anything was malicious, but the dude who fled.
Speaker 10: Like was out to kill.
Speaker 6: Multiple people at the party called nine one one. As
Speaker 6: they waited, they hovered helplessly around Charlie, watching Amanda and
Speaker 6: a few others render what little aid they could. As
Speaker 6: Charlie was bleeding out on the ground. Everyone hoped that
Speaker 6: help would get there in time.
Speaker 18: Did Charlie say anything?
Speaker 7: I have.
Speaker 18: I heard no words come out of that man's mouth.
Speaker 18: And that's what I think.
Speaker 7: That's what the most.
Speaker 18: Charlie conscious or unconscious for while he was conscious, I
Speaker 18: couldn't be outside for the rest of it.
Speaker 7: I couldn't see to call his mom, let him, let.
Speaker 18: Him know what's going on. When Charlie was conscious, he
Speaker 18: didn't say nothing.
Speaker 7: He didn't say nothing.
Speaker 18: He didn't say what happened.
Speaker 7: No, he couldn't, He couldn't, he couldn't. He was please No.
Speaker 6: While first responders were en route and throughout the rest
Speaker 6: of the morning, Dalton's girlfriend exchanged text messages with Sabra,
Speaker 6: who was presumably still sitting in the passenger seat next
Speaker 6: to Isaac.
Speaker 26: Did you have any contact with the suspect or Saber
Speaker 26: after they left here?
Speaker 12: She texted me, and I texted her back.
Speaker 10: Okay, what did the text me to say?
Speaker 13: She started two fifty six. I'm going to need my
Speaker 13: shoes and my purse back.
Speaker 12: Hello. I need you to answer right now.
Speaker 10: Hello.
Speaker 12: I said, we have your shit. You'll get it tomorrow.
Speaker 12: She said, I have to have it. What the hell
Speaker 12: was that?
Speaker 7: Hah?
Speaker 13: His friends jumped him. I said, you're not getting it
Speaker 13: till tomorrow. I said, you show up with you and Isaac.
Speaker 13: It's all going to be bad.
Speaker 6: What stood out most about this text exchange is what
Speaker 6: wasn't said. At no point did Saber ask how Charlie
Speaker 6: was doing. Her only concern was retrieving her purse and
Speaker 6: a few other meaningless belongings she'd left behind at the cabin.
Speaker 13: She said, I'm going to need my glasses, shoes, and
Speaker 13: purse or 'all going to prison. She said, the key
Speaker 13: to my goddamn work and if I don't get it back,
Speaker 13: I'll call the fucking cops. And then she texts me
Speaker 13: out four point thirty two. I need my shit, what's
Speaker 13: going on.
Speaker 6: Once paramedics arrived, Charlie was quickly rushed to a trauma
Speaker 6: center and prepared for emergency surgery. Back at the cabin,
Speaker 6: detectives got to work interviewing witnesses, searching the scene, and
Speaker 6: trying to understand exactly what had gone down. While doing this,
Speaker 6: they got some interesting news.
Speaker 4: Right yeah, allegedly suspects on his way back here.
Speaker 7: It's awesome.
Speaker 4: So they went to the hotel room where sabers mam
Speaker 4: is sang.
Speaker 10: She told him to get their shit and get out.
Speaker 5: And I don't know if she doesn't know if he's
Speaker 5: coming back.
Speaker 10: To Tennis when he started or what.
Speaker 6: The detectives learned that Isaac Pence was still furious and
Speaker 6: it was headed back to the cabin. Apparently stabbing someone
Speaker 6: several times hadn't been enough for him. He wanted more blood.
Speaker 6: He wanted to finish what he had started. In the
Speaker 6: early morning hours of April twenty third, twenty twenty three,
Speaker 6: twenty two year old Charlie Starner was clinging to his
Speaker 6: life after being stabbed multiple times at a party at
Speaker 6: a secluded rental cabin in the woods of Sugar Grove, Ohio.
Speaker 6: And I mentioned how nice Ohio is at this time
Speaker 6: of year. Ohio really is the heart of it all
Speaker 6: when the heart isn't being stabbed, that is. As detectives
Speaker 6: scrambled to make sense of this chaos, witness after witness
Speaker 6: identified the attacker as twenty year old Isaac Pence. They
Speaker 6: also warned police that Isaac wasn't done. Apparently he planned
Speaker 6: a return to the cabin to finish what he started.
Speaker 6: To prevent another wave of violence. Officers were posted at
Speaker 6: the end of the cabin's driveway where they braced for
Speaker 6: Isaac's return, but he never showed. By morning, police shifted
Speaker 6: gears and went looking for him. They found Isaac fast
Speaker 6: asleep at the home that he shared with his mother, stepfather,
Speaker 6: two younger siblings, and his fiance, the infamous Sabra Flag.
Speaker 6: Officers took both Isaac and Sabra into custody and began
Speaker 6: questioning Isaac's mom.
Speaker 4: Do you normally keep their children on a regular Basela?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 5: And they go out and do whatever?
Speaker 4: Any history of drug us in abouse?
Speaker 22: No?
Speaker 4: How about alcohol, yes, between both of them or one of.
Speaker 7: Them her so much.
Speaker 4: But you know Isaac drinks just about every weekend.
Speaker 5: Would you say has anger issues?
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, totally, okay.
Speaker 3: I mean sometimes he does get really mad when he's drinking.
Speaker 6: When detectives arrived at Isaac's home, they were met with
Speaker 6: a few surprises. First, they discovered that Isaac and Sabra
Speaker 6: had two young children, a one year old and a
Speaker 6: four month old. Neither of them seemed to be carrying
Speaker 6: themselves like parents, are you surprised or are you starting
Speaker 6: to recognize patterns yet? The day to day care of
Speaker 6: the children fell mostly to Isaac's mother, who also informed
Speaker 6: investigators that her son struggled with alcoholism and a history
Speaker 6: of violent behavior.
Speaker 7: Nuh duh.
Speaker 5: How long have they lived here?
Speaker 4: Isaac's been here his whole life.
Speaker 5: Sabra has been here on and off for the last
Speaker 5: two years. Three years.
Speaker 4: Is that about how long they've been together. They've been
Speaker 4: together four years, four years?
Speaker 19: Okay.
Speaker 6: Once they gathered enough background information on Isaac and Sabra,
Speaker 6: detectives turned their focus to the night of the stabbing.
Speaker 6: They asked Isaac's parents what they knew about the party
Speaker 6: at the cabin.
Speaker 12: Do you know where.
Speaker 4: Isaac and Sabra were at last night?
Speaker 3: There's no clue, Okay, do you know what time they
Speaker 3: arrived back at the home.
Speaker 4: They showed up about five o'clock because they're working me
Speaker 4: up beating on the door. Okay, so they were beaten
Speaker 4: on the door. Arrived back here at about five am.
Speaker 4: Did they say anything when they came in? Not really,
Speaker 4: did you notice anything out of the norm. It just
Speaker 4: seemed like they were like irritated and like mad.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 6: Another thing that took detectives by surprise was the state
Speaker 6: of the home. You see, it was completely filthy. There
Speaker 6: was trash thrown about everywhere, and the stench of urine
Speaker 6: and dogshit was just oh overwhelming. Then again this was Ohio,
Speaker 6: how long has your house.
Speaker 17: Been like this?
Speaker 18: So the scores, you know, a hole here there at
Speaker 18: the wall, and trash and the order what I'm talking
Speaker 18: trash in the house.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, yeah, we've we've had a health time trying
Speaker 9: to keep everything cleaned up since you know, we don't
Speaker 9: have any health at all, and like I'm recuperating from
Speaker 9: a heart attack. So we just had a heart attack
Speaker 9: and I was the one that had I had a
Speaker 9: tester erical and it's pemonia level in your house is ridiculous.
Speaker 6: Concerned by the smell detectives tested for ammonia levels inside
Speaker 6: the home. The results were off the charts, which is
Speaker 6: an extreme health risk, especially for children. When asked about it,
Speaker 6: Isaac's parents pointed the finger squarely at Isaac and Sabra.
Speaker 9: But the whole doll thing that they've had that bed
Speaker 9: roude the whole time that they've had that doll here.
Speaker 9: They don't take it out to use the bathroom for
Speaker 9: an elfandles just she's the bathroom everywhere.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: After removing Isaac and Sabra from their disgusting home, officers
Speaker 6: transported both of them to the Sheriff's office. Once there,
Speaker 6: Sabra was the first to be interviewed.
Speaker 2: My brother's the one who's through the party for his birthday, right, yes.
Speaker 5: For his birthday.
Speaker 2: Darlon's black and he I already talked it with him,
Speaker 2: and I was like, you because they've you, my brother
Speaker 2: Isaac have had some issues in the past, but they
Speaker 2: were trying to get over.
Speaker 11: It because my brother wanted to be more involved in
Speaker 11: my life. He wanted to be more involved in his
Speaker 11: nephew's life.
Speaker 4: And I was like, well, he's.
Speaker 11: Part of my life, you know.
Speaker 7: I love them.
Speaker 11: I want to work things out with him. He's to
Speaker 11: bothering both of my kids. So he was like, yeah,
Speaker 11: this fine, you guys can come, you know, just no drama.
Speaker 11: I was like, yeah, he's fine.
Speaker 2: He's probably not even drinking, and if he does, he's
Speaker 2: all I want to drink a little bit because we.
Speaker 4: Have to go home.
Speaker 18: I have to open.
Speaker 6: Saber began her interview by explaining how she and Isaac
Speaker 6: ended up at her brother Dalton's birthday party at the cabin.
Speaker 6: She admitted Dalton didn't want Isaac there, but she had
Speaker 6: convinced him that there would be no drama. That promise,
Speaker 6: of course, was broken. Sabra went on to describe how
Speaker 6: the night changed from fun and happy times to horrible,
Speaker 6: bloody violence, and all of.
Speaker 2: A sudden, I hear this that, like, you know, arguing,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my gosh, please, it's not
Speaker 2: with Isaac.
Speaker 5: I go out and I hear like a bunch.
Speaker 7: Of different stories.
Speaker 2: Isaac and a few other people are saying that he
Speaker 2: accidentally pushed Horizon, which is.
Speaker 11: My brother's girlfriend.
Speaker 2: Then my brother was sitting here saying he intentionally pushed her.
Speaker 2: I don't think he intentionally pushed her. He's not the
Speaker 2: type of person. He's not violent, especially with girls, so
Speaker 2: I know he's not that type of person.
Speaker 11: And they're sitting here arguing.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to talk to Isaac to calm down, because
Speaker 2: I'm like one of the only people that can coming down.
Speaker 11: I'm like, okay, let's just you.
Speaker 2: Know, if anything, let's just go in your car, sit
Speaker 2: for like a couple of hours, and then he can
Speaker 2: go home. And then they followed us outside. They all
Speaker 2: start like like trying to fight Isaac all at the
Speaker 2: same time. I don't know exactly who it was because
Speaker 2: there were so many people, but I know that there
Speaker 2: was like three or four people trying to fight Isaac
Speaker 2: at the same time.
Speaker 6: Sabra's version of events clashed with just about every other witness.
Speaker 6: According to her, Isaac wasn't the aggressor. He was the
Speaker 6: victim back into a corner and forced to defend himself
Speaker 6: against a group of guys just looking for a fight
Speaker 6: out of nowhere. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: And it was like ten guys, all my brother's friends,
Speaker 2: and this guy I think his name is Clay.
Speaker 11: He pushed Isaac and Isaac got flying back into a
Speaker 11: car and Isaac I don't know if he like pushed
Speaker 11: him or back or what he did, but I tried.
Speaker 2: To intervene and I was like, and he's just trying
Speaker 2: to protect himself.
Speaker 12: Like there's like ten guys jumping him.
Speaker 11: And I was like, I was like, it's not his soul.
Speaker 4: And somehow I.
Speaker 2: Fall and they were like trampling all over and I
Speaker 2: have big bruise on my knee. And then I still
Speaker 2: hear them fighting over here and Isaac he got in
Speaker 2: the car and he goes, Saber.
Speaker 1: Come on, come on, come on.
Speaker 2: Then I got in the car and he drove off
Speaker 2: because I think people were coming back at him.
Speaker 11: And he was like, OK, God, I'm done, and so
Speaker 11: we just drove off.
Speaker 6: There was one glaring omission and Saber's story. Did you
Speaker 6: catch it? I'll give you a hint. It has to
Speaker 6: do with pointy things going stabby stabby. Weird how she
Speaker 6: missed the most interesting part of the story, huh. Naturally,
Speaker 6: detectives pressed her about this.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know someone got stabbed until way after
Speaker 2: it left, and I was like, I think I sat
Speaker 2: that dude.
Speaker 5: I think I stabbed him.
Speaker 11: I was like, what the heck do you mean he's like,
Speaker 11: I think I stabbed him.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, I like you literally
Speaker 2: ran away, like not what you should do.
Speaker 6: Saber claimed she hadn't seen anyone get stabbed, and that
Speaker 6: she only heard about it afterwards. She wasn't too curious
Speaker 6: about it either. In fact, she doesn't seem to be
Speaker 6: too curious about anything really. When asked where she and
Speaker 6: Isaac went after fleeing the cabin, she said they made
Speaker 6: a quick stop at a friend's house, someone named Justin,
Speaker 6: before heading home.
Speaker 7: So when you were at Justin's house, what did you
Speaker 7: guys do there?
Speaker 2: So we sed to self there to look at Isaac's car,
Speaker 2: and then I went in and p our use of
Speaker 2: afron and I came out and I was looking at
Speaker 2: Isa's car with him and Justin.
Speaker 11: They smelled to Sarah and then we left and then
Speaker 11: we went straight home.
Speaker 6: This brief stop at Justin's would eventually become an important
Speaker 6: part of this case, but more on that later. After
Speaker 6: questioning Sabra, detectives moved on to Isaac.
Speaker 7: Who you live there with my mom? Instead of do
Speaker 7: I get a little brother? Litle's okay?
Speaker 16: Then Sabra and my two kids and my fielance.
Speaker 11: Okay, all right, And how old are your children?
Speaker 7: One is one and one is four months. How far
Speaker 7: did you make it through school? About? I think eleventh grade?
Speaker 7: Eleventh grade? Okay, did you get your ged or anything?
Speaker 22: Now?
Speaker 16: I went straight into concrete as sin as I turned eighteen,
Speaker 16: and I wanted to go and get a different career.
Speaker 7: But every time I go, when I started different jobs.
Speaker 5: It's like, oh, well, just pull it off, pull off,
Speaker 5: pull it off.
Speaker 7: Okay, so I'm wanting to at some point.
Speaker 6: Okay, Detective's got more background info from Isaac, this overachiever.
Speaker 6: This criminal background wasn't extensive, but it was certainly concerning.
Speaker 7: Have you been in trouble or anything at all?
Speaker 16: Yeah, okay, for what I've got an assault change on
Speaker 16: her mom, you know, assault charge on her mom.
Speaker 7: Yeah, agos out this month.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I cannot win with the family.
Speaker 6: I cannot win with this family, he said, after admitting
Speaker 6: to an assault charge on his girlfriend's mom, you know,
Speaker 6: his kid's grandma. He says this matter of factly and
Speaker 6: completely un ironically. I swear you'll never convince a retard.
Speaker 6: They're not a genius. Going forward, You'll start to see
Speaker 6: a pattern here with Isaac. If you're smart enough to
Speaker 6: see patterns. Nothing is ever his fault.
Speaker 5: So it sounds like you guys came up here for
Speaker 5: a birthday party. Is that correct?
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was brother's birthday. Me and her brothers never
Speaker 7: get along.
Speaker 16: Okay, it was in their whole time, and it's like,
Speaker 16: this is a b idea I want to make her happy.
Speaker 7: It sounds like, you know, I will try to put
Speaker 7: my PRIs on it. Let's go ahead and go. Okay,
Speaker 7: we were there. Thing was good.
Speaker 16: Well, everything was completely fine, and we're having a good time.
Speaker 6: Isaac claimed that he didn't want to go to Dalton's
Speaker 6: birthday party, but out of the goodness of his heart,
Speaker 6: he decided that being there would make Saber happy. What
Speaker 6: a selfless stand up guy he is.
Speaker 16: We're all seeing right here in the hallway, and someone
Speaker 16: did pushing me, so I pushed him back. Well, Dunton
Speaker 16: thought that I pushed his girlfriend wise, and so he
Speaker 16: got all of his stuff. That's when everyone tried to
Speaker 16: jump me. Well, I kind of know what I'm doing
Speaker 16: a little bit, so I started throwing them to the side.
Speaker 16: I went outside, and that's when they started trying to
Speaker 16: him at me. It was all at once and so
Speaker 16: I was just tossing to the side and they all
Speaker 16: just kept going.
Speaker 7: So I went to my car. I shouldn't do her.
Speaker 7: S Hey, if you want to go, then where you want.
Speaker 7: Well they came and they got the.
Speaker 16: Hoss car and they took her sunglasses, I know, her
Speaker 16: actual glasses, and her purse out trying to keep her
Speaker 16: just stay.
Speaker 7: There, and I was like, well, with everything going on,
Speaker 7: like I'm going to leave.
Speaker 6: Much like Sabra Isaac's version of events clashed with every
Speaker 6: other witness. That's because absolutely no murder and the history
Speaker 6: of mankind has ever started with a completely innocent dude
Speaker 6: getting pushed and mobbed at a festive gathering for absolutely
Speaker 6: no reason. But don't let common sense smack it across
Speaker 6: the face.
Speaker 16: Once they started sitting there trying to bust the glass
Speaker 16: to get to me, that's when I put out a knife.
Speaker 7: I was like, hey, you need back up, and they
Speaker 7: didn't want listen. No one want to listen. So you
Speaker 7: were in your car, So what did you do? Did
Speaker 7: you open the car a little back up? No, they
Speaker 7: ended up opening my car door. They did. Yeah.
Speaker 16: It was two or three guys were sitting there and
Speaker 16: they're just yanking. I was trying to hold it as
Speaker 16: good as I could. They want I was like, listen,
Speaker 16: just start poking.
Speaker 7: Out a little bit, okay.
Speaker 16: I didn't try to do it to physically hurting body
Speaker 16: really bad, but I did just like like, hey, I
Speaker 16: have a knife, come down. They wouldn't stop. They just
Speaker 16: kept going. So I tried to step the one guy
Speaker 16: in the arm just so they would get it.
Speaker 7: So he was right there beside you. Yeah, he opened
Speaker 7: my corriwor and he's coming trying to grab me. He's
Speaker 7: coming to try to grab me. Yeah, that's why I
Speaker 7: st to have his arm.
Speaker 27: Well.
Speaker 7: As soon as I stepped him in the arm, they left.
Speaker 16: The Let you guys took off completely, okay, And that's
Speaker 16: when Saber got.
Speaker 7: In the car and I took off.
Speaker 6: Isaac also claimed that he only stabbed Charlie in the arm,
Speaker 6: but the detectives obviously knew better. After all, they weren't
Speaker 6: retarded like Isaac. They of course knew Charlie had been
Speaker 6: stabbed multiple times all over his body. This was a
Speaker 6: careless lie on Isaac's part, and one that would make
Speaker 6: him look way more guilty.
Speaker 7: He stabbed the guy in the yarm one time. I
Speaker 7: think it was voice twice. Are you? Are you sure
Speaker 7: wasn't more than that, because there's more stab wounds than that.
Speaker 7: I didn't think I was.
Speaker 16: Because I'd tried to just get him to go with.
Speaker 16: I was not trying to hurt him, didn't want he added,
Speaker 16: I just wanted him to go with because there's fifteen.
Speaker 6: Us as a friend, Jean stabbing someone as a preventative measure.
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 6: After giving this bullshit version of the stabbing, Isaac went
Speaker 6: on to tell two more lies that would later come
Speaker 6: back to haunt him.
Speaker 7: So did did you go? Where'd you go after that?
Speaker 7: I went straight home? Okay, you're knife. You don't know
Speaker 7: exactly where you put it.
Speaker 16: They're looking for a new car right now, no clue wordness,
Speaker 16: it's in my car or it that was that property.
Speaker 6: Not only did Isaac's story contradict at least ten other
Speaker 6: witness statements, but it didn't even align with Saber's story.
Speaker 6: These two idiots couldn't even get their story straight. He
Speaker 6: told detectives that after the stabbing, he went straight home,
Speaker 6: conveniently leaving out the stop at Justin's house. Naturally, detectives
Speaker 6: were curious about why he would lie about that. They
Speaker 6: planned to reach out to Justin and question him about
Speaker 6: Isaac's early morning visit to his house, but before they
Speaker 6: got the chance, Justin called them, Tarry friend.
Speaker 25: Showed up to my house like breath thirty this morning, drunk,
Speaker 25: and he was flipping out, like saying that he got
Speaker 25: jumped at some party that he was at and he
Speaker 25: had to use an IF on someone.
Speaker 10: And I told him they didn't want.
Speaker 25: To hear antonom he needed to leave and turn himself
Speaker 25: in because he can't just make something like that go
Speaker 25: away for a He threw the knife over there.
Speaker 6: Justin told detectives that Isaac tossed a knife into a
Speaker 6: bush near Justin's driveway. Police then recovered the weapon, which
Speaker 6: was still spattered with Charlie's blood. In a follow up interview,
Speaker 6: Justin also revealed something else Isaac had talked about returning
Speaker 6: to the cabin to do even more damage.
Speaker 7: He did say.
Speaker 25: Stuff like that of your house kind of it was
Speaker 25: more of like he just wanted to go back and
Speaker 25: beat up the other people that were trying to jump him.
Speaker 7: Okay, all right.
Speaker 6: As the investigation deepened, more of Isaac's lies unraveled. Detectives
Speaker 6: learned that after ditching the knife, he and Sabra made
Speaker 6: yet another stop, this time to visit Sabro's mother.
Speaker 5: So they did end up coming to your place.
Speaker 11: Yes, they were there fifteen twenty minute.
Speaker 5: I don't even think twenty minutes.
Speaker 19: He's just talking about how he was going to get
Speaker 19: what he needed.
Speaker 5: And he was going out out there.
Speaker 6: By now, detectives had gathered multiple witness statements that pretty
Speaker 6: much proved both Isaac and Sabra had lied about what
Speaker 6: led up to the stabbing, the stabbing itself, and what
Speaker 6: they did afterwards. But the most damning evidence was still
Speaker 6: to come.
Speaker 12: There is a camera on cabin six, Is that correct?
Speaker 11: Yes?
Speaker 12: Would it have been.
Speaker 7: Recording at all or doing any kind of recording last.
Speaker 9: Night video but on audio audio.
Speaker 22: I need that video preserved, and I need to get
Speaker 22: that video here at our office as soon as I
Speaker 22: can get it.
Speaker 6: Detectives contacted the owner of the rental cabin, who turned
Speaker 6: over surveillance footage from a motion activated camera mounted on
Speaker 6: the front porch. Though it didn't capture the stabbing, it
Speaker 6: revealed the moments leading up to it. The footage showed
Speaker 6: what several witnesses had already described. Near the front porch
Speaker 6: of the cabin, Dalton's friends physically held Dalton away from
Speaker 6: Isaac to keep him from fighting. At the same time,
Speaker 6: a group surrounded Isaac gesturing for him to leave. There's
Speaker 6: no audio, but the body language is clear they weren't
Speaker 6: looking for a fight. Then Isaac threw a wild punch
Speaker 6: at the crowd. It missed. Someone shoved him back against
Speaker 6: a parked car. A few partygoers then grabbed Isaac and
Speaker 6: carried him towards his car, right out of the camera's view.
Speaker 6: See how that series of events actually makes sense? Or
Speaker 6: are you also from Ohio? Yeah, I'm talking to you.
Speaker 6: This footage was pretty important as it showed the partygoers
Speaker 6: were not trying to hurt Isaac. They just wanted him
Speaker 6: to leave before things got worse. But this wasn't the
Speaker 6: only video that detectives recovered.
Speaker 8: Well, I flew off the porch so fast and I
Speaker 8: ended up on record of my truck because I thought
Speaker 8: Isaac was.
Speaker 2: Going to in my car, so I started recording the
Speaker 2: video in the circumstance.
Speaker 28: That he hit record, and I captured the entire stabbing.
Speaker 6: Remember Amanda Chapman, she's the young woman who rushed to
Speaker 6: Charlie's side after the stabbing. She had the presence of
Speaker 6: mind to pull out her phone and hit record when
Speaker 6: the fight started. What you're about to hear comes from
Speaker 6: Amanda's cell phone. These are the final seconds just before
Speaker 6: the stabbing.
Speaker 12: My car Watch It.
Speaker 6: Savages. Amanda's footage begins with Isaac halfway sitting in the
Speaker 6: driver's seat, his door cracked open, and his one foot
Speaker 6: on the ground outside of his Several people are trying
Speaker 6: to close the door, but Isaac resists, pushing back against them.
Speaker 6: People are shouting, get the hell out of here and
Speaker 6: get in your car. No one is threatening Isaac, no
Speaker 6: one is swinging. They just want him gone. Charlie Starner
Speaker 6: is among the voices the video shows, embracing against the door,
Speaker 6: trying to keep Isaac in the car. Then, without warning,
Speaker 6: Isaac grabs a knife from the center console. He stands,
Speaker 6: slips part way out of the car, and opens the blade.
Speaker 6: What follows is horrifying. In the audio, you can hear
Speaker 6: the metallic click of the knife being opened, right before
Speaker 6: Isaac swings again and again, plunging the blade into Charlie's back,
Speaker 6: neck and anywhere that Isaac can reach. Fair warning, this
Speaker 6: next bit of audio is not an easy listen.
Speaker 11: Car.
Speaker 6: The video cuts off, but witnesses filled in the rest.
Speaker 6: After the stabbing, Charlie collapsed, his friends dragged him away,
Speaker 6: while Isaac slammed the car door shut and sped off
Speaker 6: with Sabra or whatever the fucker name is. Later, more
Speaker 6: surveillance footage surface, this time from Justin's house. On it,
Speaker 6: Isaac can be seen tossing the knife into a bush
Speaker 6: before disappearing into the night. Isaac had already lied to
Speaker 6: detectives during his first interview, but now armed with this
Speaker 6: overwhelming evidence, they questioned him a second time, and they
Speaker 6: had some devastating news.
Speaker 3: What you did last night is fucked up. You killed somebody.
Speaker 3: He's dead and died.
Speaker 5: He died at eight thirty one this morning. The world
Speaker 5: lost a father.
Speaker 4: He leaves behind a nine and a half month old son.
Speaker 5: Named jet Okay. A mother and father lost their son.
Speaker 3: A girlfriend lost her boyfriend that she held compression on
Speaker 3: for several minutes waiting.
Speaker 5: For a medic to get there to try and save
Speaker 5: his life.
Speaker 4: He died at Grant's morning, and you're facing murder charges.
Speaker 6: Roughly five and a half hours after the stabbing, Charlie
Speaker 6: Starner died at Grant Medical Center in Columbus, Ohio. Despite
Speaker 6: the doctor's best efforts and emergency surgery, Charlie's heart gave out.
Speaker 6: With his death, the case shifted and got a whole
Speaker 6: lot more serious. Both Isaac Pence and Saber Flagg were
Speaker 6: now facing murder charges in a lifetime behind bars. On
Speaker 6: April twenty third, twenty twenty three, twenty year old Isaac
Speaker 6: Pence and his fiance Sabra Flag were taken into police
Speaker 6: custody after a night of violence at a cabin party
Speaker 6: that left twenty two year old Charlie Starner dead. Isaac
Speaker 6: and Sabra lied repeatedly during their first interviews with detectives,
Speaker 6: hoping to cover their tracks, but when detectives brought them
Speaker 6: back for a second round, this time armed with overwhelming evidence,
Speaker 6: their lies began to unravel. They started with Sabra and
Speaker 6: quickly broke the tragic news that Charlie was dead.
Speaker 4: So, mother to mother, you.
Speaker 29: Love your children, right, okay, and you want to see
Speaker 29: your kids again some day because today somebody.
Speaker 4: Actions made it so.
Speaker 29: A mother lost her son, a father lost his son,
Speaker 29: somebody lost their boyfriend. Okay, several friends lost another friend
Speaker 29: who bled out at the hands of someone that you care.
Speaker 4: About, and you know something, I really I don't. You
Speaker 4: were there, Yeah, but I didn't.
Speaker 11: I didn't know he got stabbed.
Speaker 4: I didn't.
Speaker 11: I didn't know that until after he would left.
Speaker 10: I swear, if.
Speaker 3: You're trying to protect this man, you're going to go
Speaker 3: down as an accomplished from her.
Speaker 7: I'm not. I promise.
Speaker 3: You know something, and your allegiance to this man is
Speaker 3: going to get you nowhere, because let me tell you,
Speaker 3: he's going to prison.
Speaker 7: I didn't.
Speaker 17: I didn't.
Speaker 12: I swear on anything.
Speaker 11: I did not know he got subbed until after we left.
Speaker 11: I'm not trying to protect him.
Speaker 4: So what did he say after he stabbed him? Because
Speaker 4: you guys drove away together, he had to up said something.
Speaker 12: He didn't.
Speaker 11: He really didn't, he said, I don't want to think
Speaker 11: he said anything. He just got in the car. I
Speaker 11: want the car.
Speaker 2: I didn't know, and I didn't know until ten or
Speaker 2: so minutes later that he said, I.
Speaker 11: Think I think I stepped someone and someone something along
Speaker 11: the lines of that. I didn't know, because if I
Speaker 11: would have known, I would have left.
Speaker 6: That promise detectives confronted Sabro with the harsh reality of
Speaker 6: her situation, but she continued to resist coming clean. She
Speaker 6: maintained her efforts to downplay Isaac's behavior and minimize what
Speaker 6: he had done.
Speaker 7: He died, he's dead, he's gone.
Speaker 2: You know, So.
Speaker 7: You were honest you today.
Speaker 5: See, it's the paramount of what we need now.
Speaker 7: Okay, I spoke to your mother on the time.
Speaker 5: So did I want you to be honest? I'm not.
Speaker 7: You know he's against wim correct. He's been violent before
Speaker 7: against swimming.
Speaker 5: Correct. He was violent against your own mama.
Speaker 11: Talking about he so, yes, he did push my mom?
Speaker 2: Did what he pushed my mom because he went to
Speaker 2: court for it.
Speaker 11: He told me earlier that he would never do that
Speaker 11: to a woman. Correctly, I totally forgot about my mom.
Speaker 10: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 5: I help you get your mom.
Speaker 7: How can you forget about your mom?
Speaker 5: He trying to protect him.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm going to tell you that I talked to
Speaker 3: his parents and they said that he's an explosive, angry,
Speaker 3: violent and drunk.
Speaker 4: He is.
Speaker 7: He is.
Speaker 2: He's never been like like aggressive to me. He just
Speaker 2: he gets aggressive and he'll like he pushes back when she'll.
Speaker 11: He does stupid things when he's drunk. I always the
Speaker 11: first swim with thought.
Speaker 6: This was another lie. Out of all the detective interviews,
Speaker 6: was the last one, the very last person to admit
Speaker 6: that Isaac had a habit of becoming violent when he drank.
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you right now that my specialty
Speaker 3: is domestic violence, sexual assault, and crimes against children and
Speaker 3: the living conditions that your children are in.
Speaker 30: Our crime a deplorable, sickening crime. I'm thirty five years
Speaker 30: old and I could barely breathe in that house. I
Speaker 30: went to where you sleep, like, do you think that
Speaker 30: this is normal, that this is an okay situation? Is
Speaker 30: this what you want your babies growing up in?
Speaker 27: Definitely not.
Speaker 11: We were trying to save up for an apartment at
Speaker 11: our house.
Speaker 2: We were just trying to find some somewhere to go
Speaker 2: on our own because we don't.
Speaker 5: I vaguely am the mess on Isaac and you.
Speaker 3: There's dog feces everywhere there.
Speaker 4: The ammonia in that house is horrible.
Speaker 29: We've made a.
Speaker 4: Referral to have your children emergency.
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you that the living conditions, the trash.
Speaker 30: The bugs, the cobwebs, the lack of running water.
Speaker 5: That's it's not normal. Your babies are going to get sick.
Speaker 4: And if you care anything about your baby's take to
Speaker 4: heart what Lieutenant m Night is telling you. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: tell you know how. I know you're full of shit.
Speaker 3: You went to your mom's, you went to Justin's all
Speaker 3: before you went back to the house.
Speaker 4: I talked to your mom.
Speaker 18: I did go to the moms.
Speaker 11: I'm totally forgot. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 28: Are you forgetting because you were drunk, or you forgetting
Speaker 28: because you were high because she doesn't.
Speaker 7: Want to tell us?
Speaker 6: The truth was smacked with more and more evidence that
Speaker 6: exposed your bullshit, and it just kept coming.
Speaker 4: You told your mommy you were going.
Speaker 5: To come back to the house.
Speaker 3: Of the matter of fact, you said you were going
Speaker 3: to stop by Isaac's house and you guys.
Speaker 4: Were coming back to the cabin because you were going
Speaker 4: to get your shit. I don't you texted, You texted
Speaker 4: a horizon.
Speaker 5: I saw the messages. You said.
Speaker 29: I need my purse, I need my shoes, I need
Speaker 29: my glasses. If I don't get those things back, somebody,
Speaker 29: I'm calling the cops.
Speaker 4: Those were your priorities.
Speaker 29: Not hey, my man, sab somebody, how's that kid's condition?
Speaker 7: Not once today have you asked about how he was?
Speaker 18: I had you have no care?
Speaker 4: Oh did you know that he has a ten month
Speaker 4: old son.
Speaker 5: I didn't name jet.
Speaker 11: I honestly had no clue.
Speaker 5: So now you.
Speaker 4: Left another baby without a parent, just like your kids are.
Speaker 3: Going to be left without their parents because you guys
Speaker 3: are gonna go sit in PRIs for the next twenty.
Speaker 4: Five years to life for murder.
Speaker 6: When faced with a lengthy prison sentence, the only thing
Speaker 6: these idiots understand. It seemed like the detectives had finally
Speaker 6: broken through to Sabra and she agreed to tell the
Speaker 6: full truth. At least that's what she claimed.
Speaker 24: His time to stop lying and tell us the truth
Speaker 24: because you're leaving stuff.
Speaker 5: I don't trying to sugarcoat it.
Speaker 7: All we're asking for you to do is the truth.
Speaker 7: The only thing you have is your word, and you're
Speaker 7: not telling us.
Speaker 11: The whole truth or a Now, okay, I'll start a promise.
Speaker 7: What did you see about the stabbing.
Speaker 5: And see it?
Speaker 2: And I'm being completely trustful on everything. I didn't see
Speaker 2: any or get stabbing and see anyone fall to the floor.
Speaker 2: I didn't see anything.
Speaker 6: When someone says they're being completely truthful, that's a sure
Speaker 6: sign there not. Sabra continued to insist that she hadn't
Speaker 6: witnessed the stabbing, and the cell phone footage somewhat supports
Speaker 6: her claim. Though the video is dark and grainy, it
Speaker 6: seems to show Sabra distracted, focused on something else and
Speaker 6: not looking in Isaac's direction when he attacked Charlie. It's
Speaker 6: possible she didn't realize that stabbing had taken place until
Speaker 6: after they fled the scene. That said, there is a
Speaker 6: moment just before the stabbing where Sabra reaches into the
Speaker 6: center console and it looks as though she may be
Speaker 6: handing something to Isaac. This raised the question did Sabra
Speaker 6: provide the murder weapon? Unfortunately, the view of the center
Speaker 6: console is obstructed, so we're not likely to get an
Speaker 6: answer to that question in truth. Once Saber agreed to
Speaker 6: be completely honest, her story didn't change very much. The
Speaker 6: biggest shift was in how she talked about Isaac. Based
Speaker 6: with a looming threat of prison time, she suddenly seemed
Speaker 6: far more willing to throw him under the bus.
Speaker 12: Me and Brito on stairs, we were wanting to go
Speaker 12: in the hot tub, and I was like, well.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Isaac will freak out or not,
Speaker 2: because he was He's very you know, he doesn't.
Speaker 11: Like if I'm like in a bathing suit around a
Speaker 11: bunch of guys.
Speaker 5: He's very jealous, so controlling.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden, I hear people arguing constantly,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what the heck is going on?
Speaker 5: So we all run back into.
Speaker 2: The house and it's like it's a big huddle with people,
Speaker 2: and on time figure out who was arguing.
Speaker 4: And then I realized it was Isaac.
Speaker 11: I didn't know who he was arguing with.
Speaker 2: They were like trying to push him out, and I
Speaker 2: was like, okay, let's just go, Like, let's just go,
Speaker 2: and he was sitting He's like, no, just shut the
Speaker 2: fuck up.
Speaker 12: I'm sitting here with people.
Speaker 11: He was starting cussing out the people. I'm just like,
Speaker 11: come on, let's go.
Speaker 5: And I was crying.
Speaker 2: I was like, just please, let's go, and he's like, no,
Speaker 2: fuck this, fuck that, fuck everyone.
Speaker 6: Unlike her first telling, Sabra now admitted that Isaac had
Speaker 6: been the aggressor at the party. Surprise, surprise, this version
Speaker 6: of events was far closer to the truth.
Speaker 4: Can you tell you where he stabbed him?
Speaker 11: No, he said that he thought he stabbed him in
Speaker 11: the arm.
Speaker 5: That's what he said.
Speaker 12: And I was like, okay, Like, did you stab.
Speaker 5: Him anywhere else? I don't think so.
Speaker 3: Do you know that this gentleman was stabbed six times?
Speaker 3: I did not know that her stab in the jaw
Speaker 3: right here, in the side of his neck, around his back,
Speaker 3: twice in his chest, and another one in between his.
Speaker 4: Head and his neck.
Speaker 7: Oh my god.
Speaker 11: He shouldn't have stabbed anybody. It should have been a calm, cool,
Speaker 11: collected night. This was one night though me and him
Speaker 11: didn't have any kids.
Speaker 3: And I mean, I know that you guys hardly ever
Speaker 3: have your kids, because Ginger told me she's raising your kids.
Speaker 4: You guys, go and do however you want, whenever you want.
Speaker 4: She's stuck with these kids. She's raised all over her own.
Speaker 4: You know, you guys are going out and drinking and
Speaker 4: living your lives.
Speaker 5: I'm like, you don't have kids.
Speaker 11: And this made me realize I need to step up
Speaker 11: and be a better mom.
Speaker 3: I mean, I hate to be the bearer by news,
Speaker 3: but you're not going to get the opportunity for a long,
Speaker 3: long time.
Speaker 4: Not only is the steak and I have custy of
Speaker 4: your children. You're going to jail today.
Speaker 5: Am I really?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 11: But it's true I did.
Speaker 4: If I have my way, you're going. As an accomplished
Speaker 4: to murder.
Speaker 6: With her updated story on record, this dumb bitch was
Speaker 6: handcuffed and taken to jail. Next to face off with
Speaker 6: detectives was her fiance, Isaac Pence.
Speaker 5: You were at a house party.
Speaker 4: Kind of walked me through the events of the evening,
Speaker 4: well the rest of night.
Speaker 7: It was all completely fun, and so everyone got way
Speaker 7: too drunk.
Speaker 16: I was standing in the hallway and someone got in
Speaker 16: my face, so I pushed it on the way and
Speaker 16: then that's when about fifteen of them all wanted to
Speaker 16: come outside and tried and Joe me and who got.
Speaker 7: In your face? I'm not even sure who it was.
Speaker 5: Okay, who did you push out of it?
Speaker 7: Away?
Speaker 16: I pushed that person out of the way and they
Speaker 16: fell into a rest and they tried to say that
Speaker 16: I pushed her rest because as soon as she got touched,
Speaker 16: everyone just flipped.
Speaker 7: Because he just started running at me.
Speaker 6: At this point, Isaac was completely unaware of the mountain
Speaker 6: of evidence that detectives had gathered against him, and he
Speaker 6: didn't know that Charlie Starner had died, so naturally, Isaac
Speaker 6: stuck to his lies.
Speaker 16: After I get in my car, they all started trying
Speaker 16: to rip my door open, and once they got the
Speaker 16: door open, I just grabbed myne real quick. I was like,
Speaker 16: get get away, and they weren't listening. So when I
Speaker 16: tried to put him in the arm.
Speaker 5: Okay, he sat him once in the arm, and what
Speaker 5: happens after that?
Speaker 7: He kept coming, so set him again.
Speaker 5: So you stab him a second time, and what happens.
Speaker 7: I'm pretty sure that you left.
Speaker 16: I kind of blacked out after I got him at
Speaker 16: the same time because I sat shit and then I
Speaker 16: just kind of blacked out.
Speaker 7: I think I just said twice of them left.
Speaker 6: Conveniently, Isaac slipped into the tired excuse of blacking out.
Speaker 6: Funny how sharp his memory had stayed right up until
Speaker 6: the point where he stabbed someone to death.
Speaker 5: Take off from there, and where do you go? Oh?
Speaker 27: Think, try that again? No, okay, So it's Justin's house
Speaker 27: for a second. Okay, then for Justin's house, went at
Speaker 27: her mom's house.
Speaker 5: Then went well, so I'm gonna tell you. The only
Speaker 5: thing you have left in this world is your integrity.
Speaker 5: You know what integrity is?
Speaker 6: Do you know what integrity he is?
Speaker 12: I love that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're honesty, and I'm going to tell you that
Speaker 5: I have found about forty one.
Speaker 3: Holes already in your story. The last thing I want
Speaker 3: is your bullshit. Okay, what you did last night is
Speaker 3: fucked up. You killed somebody. He's dead and did Yeah.
Speaker 5: He died at eight thirty one this morning. The world
Speaker 5: lost a father.
Speaker 4: He leaves behind a nine and a half month old
Speaker 4: son named jet Okay.
Speaker 5: A mother and father lost their son.
Speaker 3: A girlfriend lost her boyfriend that she held compression on
Speaker 3: for several minutes waiting for a medic to get there
Speaker 3: to try and save his life.
Speaker 4: He died at Grant this morning, and you're facing murder charges.
Speaker 5: He did because you didn't stab him twice.
Speaker 4: You sad him multiple times, way more than twice.
Speaker 5: I'll talk to your mom.
Speaker 3: I know you were a very violent, explosive person. I
Speaker 3: know you drink almost every weekend. You left her in
Speaker 3: the care and custody of your two children, Draco and Whaleen,
Speaker 3: who are thirteen months and four months old.
Speaker 4: Up been inside your bedroom, up been inside your car.
Speaker 5: I've had a very deep conversation with.
Speaker 4: Your girlfriend, your girlfriend's mother, and everyone that was at
Speaker 4: that cabin. You get one shot at this with me,
Speaker 4: and that's it. You want to start over, Let's go.
Speaker 6: Detectives hit Isaac with the same reality check they'd given
Speaker 6: to Sabra. Afterwards, he appeared slightly more willing to tell
Speaker 6: the truth, but much like Sabra, he couldn't stop trying
Speaker 6: to minimize his actions.
Speaker 5: How much did you drink that night?
Speaker 16: I think he's drank. It's pol Pagan Miller. I took
Speaker 16: a couple of shots of Hennessy and a bottle of cream.
Speaker 16: It's like green cellar apple snops.
Speaker 5: You drank a lot of alcohol.
Speaker 4: No way that you have an explosive personality when you're drunk.
Speaker 14: And if I tell you that, I have literally witness
Speaker 14: statements written witness statements of you ed pushing a horizon.
Speaker 7: That's what they're trying to say.
Speaker 5: Okay, and you're telling me that that's not true.
Speaker 7: I don't think that I pushed her.
Speaker 4: Is it possible that you could have pushed her and
Speaker 4: you blacked out? Given me the copious amounts of alcohol you.
Speaker 7: Drank, I could have, but I really I do not
Speaker 7: believe that I did.
Speaker 5: Do you think it's okay to put your hands off
Speaker 5: the amounts ever the sisters? Okay? Do you think it'd
Speaker 5: be okay for your sons to do the same? Would
Speaker 5: you like it if Dalton shoved sober?
Speaker 6: Now, I remind you this is the same guy that
Speaker 6: had just recently gotten out of jail for assaulting his
Speaker 6: baby mom's mother, his children's grandmother, So take that with
Speaker 6: a grain of something. Isaac claimed that he didn't or
Speaker 6: couldn't recall shoving Dalton's girlfriend to the ground, which was
Speaker 6: the act that ignited the whole night's chaos. Unfortunately for him,
Speaker 6: multiple witnesses, including Dalton's girlfriend, said that he did.
Speaker 10: He pushed you onto the ground inside the cabin.
Speaker 13: Yes, right by the door, two open hands, honey, clearly
Speaker 13: shot me okay by your chest or yeah, like my
Speaker 13: shoulders and chest right.
Speaker 6: Here after Isaac shoved Horizon, Dalton understandably exploded with anger,
Speaker 6: and from there the night spiraled out of control.
Speaker 4: Dalton comes to you.
Speaker 7: And says, what, uh, he was just freaking out. Then
Speaker 7: he's gonna be my ass and everything.
Speaker 16: And then once he did the anyone else jumped in
Speaker 16: and there is about five ten people and we went
Speaker 16: outside and they were all.
Speaker 7: Trying to hit me.
Speaker 5: What if I tell you that I have some mail
Speaker 5: on this video of them just saying it's time to leave.
Speaker 5: It's time to leave.
Speaker 7: No, because when we went because that's probably all this
Speaker 7: is where they're hitting me.
Speaker 3: Well, a scuffle ensues, but they're trying to push you
Speaker 3: out of the cabin and Sober was telling you it's.
Speaker 5: Time to go.
Speaker 7: Oh, I don't remember it, okay.
Speaker 6: Once again, Isaac's selective memory failed him, but the evidence
Speaker 6: was clear nobody at the party wanted more violence. Witness
Speaker 6: after witness confirmed that everyone simply wanted Isaac to leave.
Speaker 18: That in the house, I was.
Speaker 22: Trying to like stop him from fighting and screaming at
Speaker 22: each other, and we're just trying to get him to
Speaker 22: leave Isaac, Like everybody was.
Speaker 10: Just telling that kid to leave.
Speaker 6: Surveillance footage from the cabin backed up the witness statements,
Speaker 6: showing several people dragged Isaac toward his car, trying to
Speaker 6: get him away from the situation.
Speaker 5: And when you get your car, what happens.
Speaker 7: A knife he's pulling on the door.
Speaker 4: I thing I'll tell you that I have a footprint
Speaker 4: that tells me they.
Speaker 5: Were trying to close Does this Does this sound familiar?
Speaker 5: Now we're trying to get back out of the car,
Speaker 5: you know, one.
Speaker 3: Foot out and or you're trying to push open the
Speaker 3: door and somebody takes a foot.
Speaker 5: And closes the door.
Speaker 3: I have a footprint to corroborate that, and in the
Speaker 3: side of your equinox that says they were trying to
Speaker 3: get you back.
Speaker 5: In the car. Okay, do you remember any of that?
Speaker 5: At what point do you reach for the knife?
Speaker 7: I'm not completely sure.
Speaker 5: Okay, And you what happens when you grabbed this knife?
Speaker 7: I think just start stabbing him?
Speaker 4: How many times do you think you stabbed him?
Speaker 5: Okay? Did you say anything as you were stabbing him?
Speaker 5: Couldn't sell you. Did you say anything after you stabbed him?
Speaker 7: I think it's just left.
Speaker 6: Not only did the physical evidence contradict Isaac's claims that
Speaker 6: he was being attacked but a man the Chapman's cell
Speaker 6: phone video clearly showed the exact opposite. People were pushing
Speaker 6: on Isaac's car door trying to shut it. They weren't
Speaker 6: trying to pull him out. Isaac was the only one
Speaker 6: looking for a fight, shoving back, trying to force his
Speaker 6: way out of the car. Tragically, he succeeded with a
Speaker 6: knife in his hand.
Speaker 5: Because what was your next move when you left that cabin?
Speaker 5: That's nobody's house, And what did you say when you
Speaker 5: got there? I don't know what if I tell you.
Speaker 3: That I had your surveillance at his house and I
Speaker 3: have all the camera footage, and you literally look at
Speaker 3: Justin and say, I just fucking stab this guy?
Speaker 5: Is that right about? Okay? What do you do with
Speaker 5: the weapon when you're in there? Because certainly it wasn't.
Speaker 4: In the car or at the scene, like you told
Speaker 4: the detectives.
Speaker 5: You know exactly where the.
Speaker 4: Murder weapon was the whole time, But you told us
Speaker 4: the knife.
Speaker 3: Is definitely in the car, It's definitely at the scene
Speaker 3: the whole time. You sat here, knowing that we were
Speaker 3: on a wild goose hunt.
Speaker 5: You just didn't think we'd find a knife, did you?
Speaker 5: No knife, no crime? Is that what you were hoping for?
Speaker 7: Okay?
Speaker 6: The fact that Isaac hid the murder weapon became a
Speaker 6: key piece of the case. It showed a clear consciousness
Speaker 6: of guilt. Isaac could claim memory loss all he wanted,
Speaker 6: but his actions and the lies he told afterwards spoke.
Speaker 6: Volumes are thrown on the bush, quite through it.
Speaker 5: Why would you throw it?
Speaker 4: I don't know, okay, and we're sober.
Speaker 7: It's just a silicer. I think she was marching tiktoks
Speaker 7: on her phone.
Speaker 5: Washing tiktoks on her phone. No one, her boyfriend just
Speaker 5: stabbed someone. It's pretty normal behavior, right. I mean, hey,
Speaker 5: you went home and took a nap like it was
Speaker 5: just another day in the park for you.
Speaker 11: Right.
Speaker 5: No, I would be able to sleep if I stab somebody.
Speaker 7: I was too drunk and then really remember it when
Speaker 7: I got home, but not too.
Speaker 4: Drunk to drive, not too drunk to dispose of the
Speaker 4: murder weapon.
Speaker 5: Jumped to try and cover up your tracks.
Speaker 6: Surveillance footage outside Justin's home captured Isaac ditching the knife
Speaker 6: in some nearby bushes. Interestingly, Sabra was inside using the
Speaker 6: restroom when he did this, meaning once again it's very
Speaker 6: possible Sabra didn't know Isaac had hidden the weapon. This
Speaker 6: was another lucky break for her. As for Isaac, he
Speaker 6: wasn't ready for the night to end. After disposing of
Speaker 6: the knife, he planned to return to the cabin, this
Speaker 6: time armed with a gun.
Speaker 7: And then I remember going home me and I said,
Speaker 7: they got into it?
Speaker 5: Why did you guys get into it about?
Speaker 7: I think I was trying to get into the gun safe.
Speaker 5: Why are we trying to hit the gun sick?
Speaker 7: I think to get back there.
Speaker 3: And do well?
Speaker 5: Finished the deal? What else would you do?
Speaker 7: I think it was just to scare them because they
Speaker 7: wouldn't kill me.
Speaker 28: So you went home and you're rattling the gun safe
Speaker 28: trying to get into it. You took a hammer to
Speaker 28: the gun to see, okay.
Speaker 5: And what happens grabby and.
Speaker 7: And we end up getting in a fight over it?
Speaker 5: Did she punched him in the face? The black does
Speaker 5: left die?
Speaker 3: You know about that?
Speaker 5: You know that you just had a heart attack, and
Speaker 5: he's raising your kids again. Stabbing somebody wasn't enough. Today
Speaker 5: He went home and.
Speaker 4: Assaulted an old man on top of all the things
Speaker 4: you could have done.
Speaker 6: Finally, after stabbing Charlie, hiding the evidence, and assaulting his stepfather,
Speaker 6: this drunken, dangerous ass clown passed out in his own bed.
Speaker 6: He woke later that morning to the sound of police
Speaker 6: knocking at his door.
Speaker 3: So here's the problem with this whole thing is that now?
Speaker 3: One time today, have you or somebra asked how that kid?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 7: I was thinking about it. I just didn't want to ask.
Speaker 5: Why not?
Speaker 7: I didn't want to hear it. Did you have any inclination?
Speaker 7: I have a feeling.
Speaker 5: Do you know his name was Charlie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Charlie was just an innocent guy at that party.
Speaker 4: You never met Charlie before.
Speaker 11: That, did you.
Speaker 4: He grabbed Charlie by the neck, and he didn't stab
Speaker 4: Charlie two times.
Speaker 3: Stab Charlie six times the side of his neck, right here,
Speaker 3: on his face, twice in his side.
Speaker 5: Once in his back, and somewhere in between his head
Speaker 5: and his neck, and you left.
Speaker 4: You left Charlie to lay there and bleed out on
Speaker 4: the ground.
Speaker 5: Charlie didn't die right away, but Charlie, he coughed it
Speaker 5: out in a trauma bay.
Speaker 3: He made it in an airplane to a hospital in Columbus,
Speaker 3: made it through the surgery and then he could put
Speaker 3: his heart gave out. Ain't know what his kid isn't
Speaker 3: the only one out of dad, because Draco and Whale
Speaker 3: and aren't.
Speaker 5: Going to They're not going to have their mom either.
Speaker 3: She went to jail today well, she do complicity to
Speaker 3: murder because she knew what she didn't do anything about it.
Speaker 6: Isaac and Sabra were charged and booked into jail. Initially
Speaker 6: both faced murder charges, but eventually Saber's charges were downgraded.
Speaker 17: According to court documents, Isaac Pence has been arrested and
Speaker 17: charged with murder. His girlfriend, Sabra Flag, is accused of
Speaker 17: leaving the scene with him and lying to detectives about
Speaker 17: what happened. She charged with obstructing justice. Pens and Flag
Speaker 17: were in court this morning and both pled not guilty,
Speaker 17: the judges keeping them both on a one million dollar
Speaker 17: bond each.
Speaker 6: Saber later accepted a plea deal. She served just six
Speaker 6: months in prison for obstructing justice, and as far as
Speaker 6: anyone knows, she's now a free woman. As for Isaac,
Speaker 6: he took his case to trial and he lost. He
Speaker 6: was convicted of murder and a long list of related charges.
Speaker 6: His sentence was eighteen years to life. In my humble
Speaker 6: and ultimately meaningless opinion, that's far too lenient. Isaac could
Speaker 6: be a relatively young man if he walks out of
Speaker 6: prison one day, this time as a felon and a
Speaker 6: convicted murderer. What happens next time he picks up a drink.
Speaker 6: Whose life will he destroy then? And what judge will
Speaker 6: completely skirt responsibility for letting him out. That's frustrating is
Speaker 6: Isaac's sentences. There is another detail that makes this case
Speaker 6: even harder to stomach. Isaac and Charlie didn't even know
Speaker 6: each other. They were complete strangers. Charlie died because he
Speaker 6: happened to be standing in the wrong place at the
Speaker 6: wrong time, at the hands of a violent man that
Speaker 6: he had never met. That's how easy it is, folks.
Speaker 6: That's how quickly it can all end.
Speaker 10: And how did Charlie get involved in this hole?
Speaker 13: He was literally just standing right there as far as
Speaker 13: I know, he was standing right.
Speaker 12: There by the porch.
Speaker 10: And so Charlie and him had no beasts prior to this.
Speaker 12: You know, I don't even think they talked, Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 10: So he just kind of was the unlucky, yeah, victim
Speaker 10: in all of us.
Speaker 6: Charlie Starter was just twenty two years old. He was
Speaker 6: a young father, soon to be husband, and by every account,
Speaker 6: a good man who loved his family and friends fiercely.
Speaker 6: His future was full of promise, but all of a
Speaker 6: sudden it was stolen in an instant when he tried
Speaker 6: to do what good people so often do. He stepped in,
Speaker 6: hoping to calm a situation before it got worse. Charlie
Speaker 6: wasn't reckless, he wasn't looking for a fight. He was
Speaker 6: trying to protect and he was trying to help, and
Speaker 6: that one moment of courage cost him everything. The unfortunate
Speaker 6: truth is that sometimes the safest choice and the smartest
Speaker 6: way to protect yourself is to step back when danger
Speaker 6: bears its teeth. But this case isn't a warning against
Speaker 6: being brave or helpful, of being a good Samaritan. It's
Speaker 6: simply a brutal reminder that evil doesn't need a reason
Speaker 6: to destroy what's good. And you never know what someone
Speaker 6: else is capable of, or how quickly a night of
Speaker 6: drinking and partying can spiral into something deadly. Sometimes all
Speaker 6: it takes is being in the wrong place, facing the
Speaker 6: wrong person at the wrong time. You know that time
Speaker 6: when you're done recording an episode of swords Gilts, fresh
Speaker 6: off the presses, you're ready to put it out, but
Speaker 6: you just know, you just know, deep down inside, that
Speaker 6: some fat monstrosity with a septum ring and clown hair
Speaker 6: is going to accuse you of being a misogynist simply
Speaker 6: because you called a dumb bitch dumb. Well, you see here,
Speaker 6: maybe I am a misogynist. Maybe I am. Maybe if
Speaker 6: being a feminist means you side with someone just because
Speaker 6: they have a pair of tits like you do despite
Speaker 6: not having a brain, or I don't know, morals means
Speaker 6: what you got to stick together? Girls, just remember this
Speaker 6: little lesson we've hammered into your brain over and over
Speaker 6: and over again. Beware of the company you keep. If
Speaker 6: you side with idiots with loose morals, then maybe that's
Speaker 6: exactly who you are too. But who am I other
Speaker 6: than just a dumb male kind of like the other
Speaker 6: idiot in this story, which I don't side with at
Speaker 6: all because I'm not a maleist or whatever they're called.
Speaker 6: Because having a brain is more important than having a dick.
Speaker 6: See how that works, nah, you from Ohio to