WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:03.879 Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is 2 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:13.160 not intended for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised. 3 00:00:15.199 --> 00:00:18.160 Same to realize I need to step up and be 4 00:00:18.199 --> 00:00:19.280 a better mom. 5 00:00:19.960 --> 00:00:21.399 I mean, I hate to be the bearer by news, 6 00:00:21.440 --> 00:00:22.960 but you're not going to get the opportunity for a 7 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:23.879 long long time. 8 00:00:24.359 --> 00:00:26.000 Not only is the steak and to have custy of 9 00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:26.480 your children. 10 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:26.960 You're going to. 11 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:29.719 Jail today, if I have my way, You're going as 12 00:00:29.719 --> 00:00:30.920 an accomplished to murder. 13 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:53.799 Some knights start with laughter and with sirens. No one 14 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:57.240 sees it coming until it's too late. Some knights are 15 00:00:57.280 --> 00:01:01.359 simply born under a bad sign. You likely won't even 16 00:01:01.719 --> 00:01:05.799 feel it at first. The music's loud, the drinks are flowing, 17 00:01:06.519 --> 00:01:12.519 and it all feels harmless enough. But violence rarely announces itself. 18 00:01:13.480 --> 00:01:16.959 It rarely sends an R s v P with a 19 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:22.239 self addressed, stamped envelope. Often it builds quietly, bubbling beneath 20 00:01:22.239 --> 00:01:25.000 the surface until it does what all bubbles do, and 21 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:29.599 it bursts without warning. And when it does, the people 22 00:01:29.599 --> 00:01:32.879 who pay the price are rarely the ones looking for trouble. 23 00:01:33.799 --> 00:01:37.319 They're the ones standing too close when the world suddenly 24 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:46.640 tilts towards chaos. 25 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:49.359 Okay, how many times have been stabbed? 26 00:01:50.560 --> 00:01:54.359 I watched it happen. 27 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:57.719 The guy had been He stabbed him in the shoulder. 28 00:01:57.599 --> 00:01:58.319 Say that he has. 29 00:02:03.760 --> 00:02:07.120 On April twenty third, twenty twenty three, at about three am, 30 00:02:07.640 --> 00:02:10.919 deputies from the Hawking County Sheriff's Office were dispatched to 31 00:02:10.960 --> 00:02:14.240 a remote cabin talked deep in the woods of Sugar Growth, 32 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:18.800 a lovely village in the wonderful state of Ohio, which 33 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:21.560 we love so much on this program, namely because of 34 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:25.159 all the wonderful and colorful people that lived there, had 35 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:29.680 all of the wonderful content they bring us. When deputies 36 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:33.080 finally arrived to their destination, they found a group of 37 00:02:33.159 --> 00:02:36.479 young adults gathered near the front porch of the cabin. 38 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:41.360 They were visibly shaken and clustered around a young man 39 00:02:41.439 --> 00:02:45.759 sprawled on the ground. The young man was covered in blood. 40 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:52.479 He had been stabbed several times, and time was running out. 41 00:02:54.039 --> 00:02:56.800 Charlie, yes he is. 42 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:00.840 Billion, I was back. 43 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:08.319 Deputies learned that the young man's name was Charlie. While 44 00:03:08.319 --> 00:03:11.800 waiting for paramedics to arrive, his friends hovered close, supplying 45 00:03:11.879 --> 00:03:16.400 makeshift bandages and holding pressure on his stab wounds. They 46 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:19.080 urged Charlie to hang on and keep fighting. 47 00:03:19.599 --> 00:03:21.360 You got it, You're so tough. 48 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:24.680 Come on, Charlie, Yeah, you got it. 49 00:03:26.599 --> 00:03:34.240 On, Charlie, so good, Come on, you're so strong about. 50 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:35.520 How strong you're gonna be. 51 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:38.159 You're the strongest person I know. 52 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:41.719 Anybody can make this like this, it's huge. 53 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:46.080 There we goes squats here. 54 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:49.199 Yeah, come on, Charlie. 55 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:50.000 I'm so proud. 56 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:51.240 I'm so proud. 57 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:52.360 You're knowing so good. 58 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:56.639 Keep pushing for us, all right, model to the neck, 59 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:04.000 you guys, I'm not quite sure he has seals. 60 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:09.439 After several agonizing minutes, paramedics arrived on scene and Charlie 61 00:04:09.479 --> 00:04:11.919 was gurneyed into an ambulance. 62 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:12.960 How don't you shout? 63 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:18.000 Nine sty went one two thirty four five one on 64 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:19.519 his back, next six. 65 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:24.800 Six thats two to the right, john slash year, one 66 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:26.439 of the neck, one of the. 67 00:04:26.360 --> 00:04:29.160 Top part of his like his trap, one of the 68 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:30.480 boys said, and one on the back. 69 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:35.720 Charlie was in critical condition, and he was soon airlifted 70 00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:38.639 to the nearest trauma center, where doctors and surgeons would 71 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:43.519 attempt to save his life. Back at the cabin, deputies 72 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:47.160 began the grim task of piecing together what had gone 73 00:04:47.240 --> 00:04:48.439 so violently wrong? 74 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:50.480 A wait us the stabbing. 75 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:52.920 I saw everything you saying. 76 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:54.600 So who else it? You? Two? 77 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:55.120 Just you two? 78 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:59.199 Okay, all right, I got some detectives coming. 79 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:04.480 Roughly fifteen to twenty potential witnesses remained at the scene, 80 00:05:04.759 --> 00:05:08.519 all of them in their early twenties. Deputies corralled the 81 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:12.079 group around a nearby fire pit and waited for detectives 82 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:15.399 to arrive. When the inside of the cabin was searched, 83 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:19.160 deputies found all the markings of a fun college like party. 84 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:24.319 Decorations hung from the ceiling, beer bottles littered every surface, 85 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:28.000 The kitchen sink overflowed with dishes, and a table in 86 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:31.600 the living room showed signs of a recently played drinking game. 87 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:38.279 Back outside, the first detectives pulled up and questioning began. 88 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:40.800 So, first of all, what time did you get here? 89 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:43.959 I got here yesterday, okay, so. 90 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:46.240 It's now almost six o'clock on Sunday mornings. 91 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:51.399 I got here on Friday Friday. I helped decorate and 92 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:51.879 set up. 93 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:55.199 Okay, So when you say, it's a great setip, but 94 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:56.000 what was this? 95 00:05:56.600 --> 00:06:00.480 Uh his twenty first, twenty thirty birthday? 96 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:03.839 Okay, so this is Dalton's twenty third birthday. 97 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:07.600 The two story wood cabin had been rented for the 98 00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:11.120 weekend by twenty three year old Dalton Flag as part 99 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:12.680 of his birthday celebration. 100 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:17.319 All right, so this is your birthday party? Yes, okay, 101 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:21.360 so walk me. How long have you been here this year? 102 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:27.680 The whole weekend? Yeah, we got here Friday like four pm, 103 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:28.360 I think it was. 104 00:06:29.600 --> 00:06:32.800 Dalton arrived at the cabin that Friday evening with his 105 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:36.800 girlfriend and roommate. The three of them started setting up, 106 00:06:37.040 --> 00:06:40.519 decorating the space and anticipation of what they hoped would 107 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:45.199 be a carefree weekend of partying with friends. Naturally, Dalton 108 00:06:45.639 --> 00:06:49.480 had sent out the invites, including one to twenty two 109 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:54.399 year old Charles Starner, known to most as Charlie or Chuck. 110 00:06:55.639 --> 00:06:58.439 Charlie was a manager at a small pizzeria where he 111 00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:03.439 employed several of the friends, He was engaged and the 112 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:07.959 father of a nine month old son. That night, Charlie 113 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:10.560 showed up to a party with his fiance and two 114 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:11.600 close friends. 115 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:16.040 So you get here tonight around seven pm? 116 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:21.319 Okay, you wrote down with Charlie, Caleb and Rachel. Okay, 117 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:23.839 what happens when you guys get here? Everything is fine 118 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:24.519 and dandy. 119 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:25.680 Everything was fine. 120 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:27.519 That kid wasn't even here when I first got at 121 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:30.720 your ead inchuke for the kids. That step Charlie wasn't 122 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:34.120 here for hours when I was here, and everything was. 123 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:34.879 Fine, okay. 124 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:38.439 The atmosphere at the cabin was everything you'd expect from 125 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:42.639 a typical college aged party. People were drinking heavily, some 126 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:46.839 smoking weed, and a few others were openly using cocaine. 127 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:51.279 The hot tub was in use, drinking games were underway, 128 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:55.560 and everyone seemed to be having a great time until 129 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:57.800 suddenly they weren't. 130 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:02.680 It was pretty chill. Then, how did we get to this? Honestly, 131 00:08:02.759 --> 00:08:04.240 I don't know where were you at. 132 00:08:04.519 --> 00:08:07.279 I was inside and I just heard people screaming, so 133 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:10.639 I ran out to look because obviously I'm nowsing, but 134 00:08:10.759 --> 00:08:12.720 me and Ryan like heard them yelling, so we ran 135 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:17.639 out to check it out. And he was just fighting, which, uh, 136 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:20.680 it was just a bunch of the guys. 137 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:22.160 So there's more than two people fighting. 138 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:25.319 It wasn't really fighting. Everyone was just yelling at each other. 139 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:25.879 And then. 140 00:08:27.319 --> 00:08:30.759 We went inside because we didn't really think anything of it. 141 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:33.440 Then we heard a bunch of screaming and I came 142 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:36.799 out and that's when I saw, like the guy. 143 00:08:36.879 --> 00:08:39.200 I don't even know who he was, So the guy 144 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:42.200 you're talking about, the person who was hurt. 145 00:08:42.159 --> 00:08:46.720 Or the person that was hurt. I see him where 146 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:50.679 I think his neck, I don't know. I just seemed 147 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:53.440 blood like dripping down him and that freaked me out 148 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:56.240 and I took off running into the woods because I 149 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:56.799 was scared. 150 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:01.279 One of the first challenges detective's face was that not 151 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:05.000 everyone at the party had witnessed the stabbing. To make 152 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:08.879 matters worse, many of the attendees were strangers to one another, 153 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:13.120 having met for the first time that night. When questioned, 154 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:18.679 several had trouble recalling names, making the investigation difficult to untangle. 155 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:21.519 Do you know who did this or were you told? 156 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:22.639 No? 157 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:26.759 I know his name, okay, Isaac Pince, Isaac Paince, I 158 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:27.759 don't know how to spell it. 159 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:31.440 He's the one. Everyone said it. He was the one 160 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:33.120 that drove the car, pulled the car out of here. 161 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:34.960 I don't know what kind of car. Will see him leave. 162 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:37.679 I'll see him peel out with the car. Who's anybody 163 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:38.679 with him? 164 00:09:38.840 --> 00:09:39.679 I think it's fiance. 165 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:45.759 Despite the challenges, detectives managed to determine who had been stabbed, 166 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:50.320 and perhaps more importantly, who had done the stabbing. Over 167 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:54.080 and over, the partygoers pointed to one person, a young 168 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:56.039 man named Isaac Pence. 169 00:09:56.679 --> 00:09:59.159 So you guys are hanging out. When does Isaac arrive? 170 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:02.360 I couldn't tell you, like an exact time. 171 00:10:02.159 --> 00:10:04.720 And if I didn't guess, i'd. 172 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:07.759 Say the weaven who's he arrived with? 173 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:13.480 And is that his fiance? 174 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:15.480 I think I think their may engaged. 175 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:18.639 Maybe I'm non positive on that work, Okay, I. 176 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:19.679 Know the data for sure. 177 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:23.480 Twenty year old Isaac Pence arrived at the cabin with 178 00:10:23.559 --> 00:10:27.480 his fiance, Sabra Flag, who was the sister of the 179 00:10:27.519 --> 00:10:32.600 birthday host, Dalton Flag. Sabra was the only reason Isaac 180 00:10:32.639 --> 00:10:35.879 had been invited in the first place, and it didn't 181 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:38.600 take long for detectives to learn that Isaac and Dalton 182 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:40.679 had a rocky history. 183 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:46.240 How he and Isaac been together like four years? So 184 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:47.159 do you know Isaac? 185 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:48.399 Yeah? 186 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:48.919 Who is he? 187 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:54.200 What do you mean? Play good person? I'm a good person. 188 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:55.840 When he's not drinking. 189 00:10:55.919 --> 00:10:58.840 Yes, when he's drinking Isaac was drinking. 190 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:00.759 Yes, and time he drinks. 191 00:11:00.759 --> 00:11:06.000 He's very violent, has Isaac and never had bad blood before? 192 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:06.360 Yes? 193 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:12.799 Because he just he doesn't treat Saber well at all. Yeah, 194 00:11:12.840 --> 00:11:14.080 but they never got along. 195 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:17.639 And I told like, I like Saber wanted to come, 196 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:21.440 and Dalon's like, Isaac would only allow her to come 197 00:11:21.559 --> 00:11:24.000 if he came with her, And Dalton was like, not 198 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:25.799 okay with it, but he said, as long as he's 199 00:11:25.840 --> 00:11:26.320 not drinking. 200 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:27.799 But as soon as he came to the house he 201 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:28.559 was drinking. 202 00:11:29.480 --> 00:11:33.480 In trouble before for drinking for one. 203 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:35.919 I know he's on probation for something he's not supposed 204 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:36.919 to be drinking, and he is. 205 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:41.480 By nearly all accounts, Isaac Pence had a reputation for 206 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:45.200 being a violet drunk. He had only just recently been 207 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:50.159 released from jail for assaulting Sabra and Dalton's mother. Dalton 208 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:54.000 knew Isaac was trouble. He didn't want him at the party, 209 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:58.200 especially not in a secluded cabin in the woods, but 210 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:01.960 to keep peace with his sister stir, Dalton gave in 211 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:06.600 and allowed Isaac to attend. That would turn out to 212 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:08.559 be a grave mistake. 213 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:12.240 Who was Isaac West? Who did he sleep with? 214 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:13.960 My sister? 215 00:12:14.080 --> 00:12:21.240 Sabrify She stays with Isaac and his parents, So she 216 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:25.480 lives with Isaac and his parents and Isaac's had issues 217 00:12:25.480 --> 00:12:27.559 in the past. He's put his hands on my sister, 218 00:12:27.720 --> 00:12:30.480 and he's just literally went to jail three months ago 219 00:12:30.559 --> 00:12:33.200 for putting his hands on my mom. 220 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:34.159 How old was Isaac? 221 00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:37.320 Twenty twenty one? 222 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:41.559 By this point, detectives had started to piece together the 223 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:45.639 key relationships and some of the night's events, but this 224 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:50.159 information hadn't come quickly. Hours had passed and partygoers were 225 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:55.120 now sobering up. Many were growing restless and increasingly impatient 226 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:56.360 with the process. 227 00:12:57.039 --> 00:12:59.360 I wanted to fucking go home. I've been sitting here 228 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:07.080 for fucking hours. I'm freezing. We're not I get it. 229 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:09.000 I am fucking old as fun. 230 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:10.000 You understand it, bro? 231 00:13:10.159 --> 00:13:11.480 Why are you? Why are you choking? 232 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:12.600 Why are you choking? 233 00:13:12.759 --> 00:13:16.440 Why do you get your record recordish? Hey, records that 234 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:16.919 have a fuck? 235 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:17.399 You're choking? 236 00:13:17.799 --> 00:13:17.919 Now? 237 00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:21.600 That guy was taking a jail for disrupting the scene 238 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:26.840 of an emergency. And the interviews continued. As detectives continue 239 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:29.960 to ask questions, they eventually learned how the party was 240 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:32.519 turned into a scene of chaos and violence. 241 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:35.120 All right, so what started this whole argument? 242 00:13:36.840 --> 00:13:41.320 So everyone, like most people were leaving, Isaac was beyond 243 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:45.799 drugging and he was calling everyone like names. I don't 244 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:48.240 even like, I don't even know why he was acting 245 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:50.519 where he was because everybody was leaving and everything, like. 246 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:52.000 Everything we roll done. 247 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:55.000 He started acting, pushing other people, me and my o 248 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:56.600 over there and say heyboy, like just see he's like 249 00:13:56.600 --> 00:13:58.279 you're fine, You're good, like just you're good. 250 00:13:58.440 --> 00:13:58.799 Just leave. 251 00:13:58.960 --> 00:14:02.320 Like from the leave he got super mad and they 252 00:14:02.399 --> 00:14:03.919 started to raise their voices at each other. 253 00:14:04.039 --> 00:14:07.720 For some reason, he pushed a rising really hard, like into. 254 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:10.120 A table, okay, And then that was when things like 255 00:14:10.279 --> 00:14:13.039 really escalated because now Dalton was super mad because his 256 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:14.679 girlfriend got pushed and they. 257 00:14:14.559 --> 00:14:16.279 Were just like screaming at each other. 258 00:14:17.240 --> 00:14:18.080 He didn't want to leave. 259 00:14:18.440 --> 00:14:20.360 He came charging, pushed me. 260 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:24.960 On the ground and charged at Dalton, and then that's 261 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:28.840 when Dalton came back at him, and everyone pulled him off, 262 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:32.080 and then he started coming at everyone else in the house, 263 00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:33.399 and then that's when. 264 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:34.679 It went outside. 265 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:39.200 Several witnesses explained that the violence started when Dalton asked 266 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:45.240 Isaac to leave. In response, Isaac shoved Dalton's girlfriend, arising, 267 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:49.559 sending her crashing to the ground. The moment people saw 268 00:14:49.639 --> 00:14:53.159 Isaac put his hands on a woman, the atmosphere snapped, 269 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:59.240 voices exploded in anger, and the confrontation spilled outside onto 270 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:01.200 the driveway of the cabin. 271 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:03.799 What happens when they get outside? 272 00:15:04.799 --> 00:15:06.879 There was a group of people telling him to leave. 273 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:09.480 We told him we were about to call nine one 274 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:12.799 one if he didn't leave. Everyone say no, no, his or 275 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:14.000 his baby arms say. 276 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:14.919 No, no't call nine one one. 277 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:15.879 He's on probation. 278 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:17.519 He's gonna get in trouble. 279 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:23.120 A crowd quickly formed. A large group surrounded Isaac, telling 280 00:15:23.200 --> 00:15:26.399 him to leave. At the same time, a smaller group 281 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:29.120 held Dalton back, trying to stop him from launching into 282 00:15:29.120 --> 00:15:32.240 a fistfight with Isaac like I was trying to. 283 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:34.480 Come out and Cray and all them me like it's 284 00:15:34.519 --> 00:15:37.720 not worth it. Just he's leaving. Cray Yeah, crazy right? 285 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:39.159 There is that real name? 286 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:39.399 Yeah? 287 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:41.200 I think it's like c One. 288 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:44.080 Sorry to interrupt the flow of the story here, but 289 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:47.000 I have a question, ask what the hell's going on 290 00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:53.480 with the names at this party? Cray, Sabra, Horizon, Teca, 291 00:15:53.799 --> 00:15:55.919 and Cinnamon, just to name a few. 292 00:15:57.080 --> 00:15:57.639 What the hell? 293 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:02.879 What kind of dope smoking bead wearing crystal charging music festival, 294 00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:07.080 attending double wide living minimum wage earning ANTIFA supporting wannabe 295 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:11.120 hippie parents named these dumbass children, we gotta set up 296 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:14.279 your kin for success with a name like Cinnamon. By 297 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:18.279 the way, Sure that'll keep her off the pole. Next 298 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:24.639 up on stage, Cinneamon. Anyway, Dalton was being held back 299 00:16:24.919 --> 00:16:27.720 by his friends who were telling him not to fight Isaac, 300 00:16:28.399 --> 00:16:31.799 while several others were shouting at Isaac, telling him to 301 00:16:31.840 --> 00:16:34.679 get into his car and pedal is a little lass 302 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:35.120 out of there? 303 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:38.919 What did you see or observe from that time forward? 304 00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:44.240 A whole bunch of pushing okay, shouting, yelling, pushing, yelling, 305 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:46.559 shoving okay, And then what happened? 306 00:16:47.279 --> 00:16:50.120 He was essentially carried to his car by life three. 307 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:52.080 Or four people trying to get him to like there 308 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:54.200 wasn't no him wanting to leave like he was. 309 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:57.480 Definitely, it was more like a forceful. 310 00:16:56.919 --> 00:17:00.720 Like he had the yeah, like there was multiple guys 311 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:03.200 grabbing him and trying to shove him in his own car, 312 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:05.640 trying to get him to just be gone. 313 00:17:05.839 --> 00:17:07.640 Okay, and where. 314 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:10.839 Is yes in the car. 315 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:13.240 With him into the passenger seat okay. 316 00:17:14.519 --> 00:17:17.079 Several guys dragged Isaac to the driver's side of his 317 00:17:17.200 --> 00:17:22.119 car at about the same time, Isaac's fiance Sabra, hopped 318 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:24.519 in the passenger seat of the same car. 319 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:27.839 So at this point they're in the car and there's 320 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:32.359 a couple of people like banging on the windows. He 321 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:35.720 gets mad and opens and he opened the door, and 322 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:38.200 Charlie was one of the people that were. 323 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:40.039 Trying to get him in the car and get him 324 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:41.720 to leave, and he. 325 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:43.519 Just happened to be the guy in front of the 326 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:47.839 driver's door, just grabbing him for whatever reason and started 327 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:48.440 stabbing him. 328 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:51.920 Like it was like six times too. I saw Charlie 329 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:52.799 fall to the ground. 330 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:56.319 Does he immediately get back in the car and leave? 331 00:17:56.480 --> 00:17:57.000 What? 332 00:17:57.000 --> 00:17:58.240 What's the next course of action? 333 00:17:58.680 --> 00:18:02.440 Just gets in his car, slams the door and spends tires, 334 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:05.880 drags up the drop one d was. 335 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:06.759 Just so crazy. 336 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:10.680 I walk inside and then I think, like ten minutes after, 337 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:12.640 they come out and he. 338 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:15.920 Said he just stabbed him. He just stabbed him. What 339 00:18:16.039 --> 00:18:17.599 is going on? What are you looking for? She's like, 340 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:19.240 Charlie just got stabbed. 341 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:23.559 When Isaac was forced into his car, he reached into 342 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:27.519 the center console, pulled out a small work knife, grabbed 343 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:30.880 the nearest person and just started stabbing. I mean, that's 344 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:34.559 what I always do when I'm frustrated. His unlucky victim 345 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:39.559 was Charlie Starner. With no warning, Charlie was struck multiple times, 346 00:18:39.599 --> 00:18:44.039 including potentially fatal stabs to his back and neck. He 347 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:48.759 collapsed to the ground, bleeding heavily, while Isaac slammed his 348 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:52.920 car door shut and sped off with Sabra, you know, 349 00:18:53.960 --> 00:18:54.599 like the hummus. 350 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:56.799 I was standing up for a porch, and I watched 351 00:18:56.880 --> 00:19:00.599 him get stabbed right there next to my truck, and uh, 352 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:06.279 Jimmy and the guy who's covered in blood. He carried 353 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:08.000 him over here to the other side of my truck. 354 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:08.920 Where the big pull of blood is. 355 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:12.160 And I opened up the back of my truck and 356 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:15.680 started rummaging through and grabbing my mid kids. 357 00:19:16.319 --> 00:19:19.279 Among the guests at the party was a young woman 358 00:19:19.400 --> 00:19:24.200 named Amanda Chapman who had a background in ems. When 359 00:19:24.279 --> 00:19:27.279 Charlie went down, Amanda rushed to her truck, grabbed a 360 00:19:27.440 --> 00:19:30.200 medical kit, and began doing everything she could to help. 361 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:33.160 Tonight was a story, and that was terrifying. 362 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:37.480 I understand completely well, the two that were out here, 363 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:40.680 can you identify both of them? 364 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:42.720 So Charlie is the one that I was of a 365 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:43.559 sternal reb on. 366 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:47.319 I don't know the guy that was in the car of. 367 00:19:47.279 --> 00:19:51.240 That stabbed him. I guess his girls lost with him. 368 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:55.319 Okay, everybody that's here right now, I really don't think 369 00:19:55.519 --> 00:19:59.039 anything was malicious, but the dude who fled. 370 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:00.640 Like was out to kill. 371 00:20:01.880 --> 00:20:05.119 Multiple people at the party called nine one one. As 372 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:09.720 they waited, they hovered helplessly around Charlie, watching Amanda and 373 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:13.240 a few others render what little aid they could. As 374 00:20:13.319 --> 00:20:17.200 Charlie was bleeding out on the ground. Everyone hoped that 375 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:19.200 help would get there in time. 376 00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:20.960 Did Charlie say anything? 377 00:20:21.519 --> 00:20:22.000 I have. 378 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:24.359 I heard no words come out of that man's mouth. 379 00:20:24.359 --> 00:20:25.119 And that's what I think. 380 00:20:25.160 --> 00:20:26.480 That's what the most. 381 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:29.519 Charlie conscious or unconscious for while he was conscious, I 382 00:20:29.559 --> 00:20:30.920 couldn't be outside for the rest of it. 383 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:33.160 I couldn't see to call his mom, let him, let. 384 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:35.079 Him know what's going on. When Charlie was conscious, he 385 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:36.440 didn't say nothing. 386 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:37.240 He didn't say nothing. 387 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:38.240 He didn't say what happened. 388 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:41.160 No, he couldn't, He couldn't, he couldn't. He was please No. 389 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:45.039 While first responders were en route and throughout the rest 390 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:49.000 of the morning, Dalton's girlfriend exchanged text messages with Sabra, 391 00:20:49.759 --> 00:20:53.400 who was presumably still sitting in the passenger seat next 392 00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:53.920 to Isaac. 393 00:20:55.079 --> 00:20:57.440 Did you have any contact with the suspect or Saber 394 00:20:57.559 --> 00:20:58.519 after they left here? 395 00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:02.279 She texted me, and I texted her back. 396 00:21:02.480 --> 00:21:04.119 Okay, what did the text me to say? 397 00:21:05.200 --> 00:21:08.799 She started two fifty six. I'm going to need my 398 00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:10.319 shoes and my purse back. 399 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:13.440 Hello. I need you to answer right now. 400 00:21:13.839 --> 00:21:14.160 Hello. 401 00:21:14.680 --> 00:21:17.319