WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:03.600 This is pet Life Radio. 2 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:24.440 Let's Talk pets. Hello, Welcome to Canine Master Radio on 3 00:00:24.480 --> 00:00:27.879 pet Life Radio. I'm your host, Chris Somtek, and today 4 00:00:28.199 --> 00:00:32.280 I'm joined by Jamie Kelsey, the director of training at 5 00:00:32.320 --> 00:00:35.560 dog on Smart Norwalk, Connecticut. Hi Jamie, how are you today? 6 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:35.799 Hi? 7 00:00:35.840 --> 00:00:37.079 Everyone doing great? 8 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:40.399 So today I really have been getting a lot of 9 00:00:40.679 --> 00:00:47.759 private lessons and clients regarding resource guarding and food guarding, 10 00:00:48.039 --> 00:00:51.719 and actually I have a client with this exact issue 11 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:54.320 this afternoon. I wanted to talk to you and really 12 00:00:54.359 --> 00:00:59.600 discuss how this happens, why this happens, and exactly what 13 00:00:59.679 --> 00:01:01.799 are the things that you might do to fix this. 14 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:04.280 You know, one of the things is that if you 15 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:08.200 have a dog that is attacking you over resource guarding 16 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:12.120 or we'll call food guarding or food protectiveness and the 17 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:14.439 dog's going after and actually biting, you need to see 18 00:01:14.439 --> 00:01:17.200 a behavior. So this discussion is really going to be 19 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:21.359 meant to help when it's starting and how to prevent it. 20 00:01:21.400 --> 00:01:23.159 I think it's really important. We know that, but if 21 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:25.640 you are having a dog that has attacked you or 22 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:28.640 bitten you, you need to reach out to somebody like myself. 23 00:01:28.840 --> 00:01:31.760 We could either do it privately or on a zoom 24 00:01:31.879 --> 00:01:38.120 and you can contact Jamie Kelsey at Jamie Jaimee at 25 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:40.920 dog on smart that's it dot com. 26 00:01:40.959 --> 00:01:43.640 Okay, that's it and yeah, Chris, we get these questions 27 00:01:43.640 --> 00:01:46.120 all the time, and many clients are in a panic. 28 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:47.760 They want to know what do I do in the 29 00:01:47.799 --> 00:01:50.680 moment when it happens to keep myself safe? And how 30 00:01:50.719 --> 00:01:52.840 do I prevent it from happening again? And why is 31 00:01:52.879 --> 00:01:53.359 it happening? 32 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:56.920 Yeah, so I think we need to understand why it happens. 33 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:02.400 So typically when it comes to resource guarding, we see 34 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:07.280 the following thing happen. Your dog grabs or your puppy. 35 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:11.879 Its usually happens during imprint time. Unfortunately, your puppy grabs 36 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:15.319 or your dog grabs a tissue, or he grabs your sock, 37 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:18.240 or he grabs something with your scent on. It could 38 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:20.800 be your underwear, it could be your pajamas, it could 39 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:25.960 be your sunglasses. And you the owner go, oh my gosh, 40 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:29.560 he has my sock and you run over to him 41 00:02:29.560 --> 00:02:33.240 and you go chuckles, how dare you give me that back? 42 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:36.199 And you start getting angry. So the dog has it. 43 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:39.319 It's in his mouth, and the dog is like, okay, 44 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:42.759 I'm holding this resource. He's yelling at me or she's 45 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:45.240 yelling at me. They want it. I don't know what 46 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:47.879 to do, and they're getting angry at me. So when 47 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:51.599 I have the resource, I'm now getting scared. You're yelling 48 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:54.240 at them. Maybe you grab them and you rip it 49 00:02:54.280 --> 00:02:56.080 out of their mouths, and you get violent with them 50 00:02:56.120 --> 00:02:59.319 because they've chewed up your favorite item. And the dog 51 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:04.560 starts to get what we call stuck emotionally on what 52 00:03:04.759 --> 00:03:08.520 to do. Doesn't know that letting it go will stop 53 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:13.840 you from yelling grabbing them hard correction, doesn't know how 54 00:03:13.879 --> 00:03:16.719 to get out of the situation, and then get scared, 55 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:18.960 and then what they do is they start to growl, 56 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:22.520 and then you get more angry and you maybe come 57 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:26.159 down harder on them, and then they're really getting defensive, 58 00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:30.240 and that's where it all starts, the aggression. So the 59 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:33.159 worst thing that you can do when it comes to 60 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:37.560 your dog having an item in its mouth is to 61 00:03:37.639 --> 00:03:40.360 come down on him and correct them. You miss the 62 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:46.400 training opportunity. The training time is when the dog is 63 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:51.080 thinking about grabbing your sock, thinking about getting that wrapper 64 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:55.599 off of the floor. That's the time to redirect them, 65 00:03:55.680 --> 00:03:58.879 to stop them. It's when they're thinking about it. You know, 66 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:01.680 always in correction is the best time to think to 67 00:04:01.759 --> 00:04:04.319 correct the dog is when they're thinking about doing the behavior. 68 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:07.599 But in resource guarding, that's where it stops. You do 69 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:11.680 not continue on to correct the dog once they are 70 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:16.240 in possession of the object, You've missed the training opportunity. 71 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:19.879 So, Chris, would you say that the more reaction we 72 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:23.920 have to them having the object makes the resource of 73 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:26.519 a higher value because we want it back so badly. 74 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:29.920 Well, that's exactly true. That's a good point. So I 75 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:32.439 think that if the dog thinks that you want it 76 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:35.519 so badly, it must be a resource, it must be 77 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:39.079 something that everybody wants. And because you're getting angry and 78 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:42.839 you're asking for it, so it becomes sort of this 79 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:46.879 vicious circle and the Dog's what happens is you almost 80 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:49.720 in many cases, will see a dog his eyes will 81 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:53.439 get glazed over. I've had clients saying to me, oh, 82 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:56.959 my dog almost looks like he's possessed, you know, I 83 00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:00.160 see this glaze come over his eyes, and it's it's 84 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:03.160 not that. What's happening is your dog is stuck in 85 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:05.160 a behavior and he doesn't know how to get out 86 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:07.560 of it. And you're getting angry at him, and all 87 00:05:07.600 --> 00:05:09.519 he knows is that he has something in his mouth 88 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:12.759 and you want it. He wants it, everybody wants it. 89 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:16.800 It's a scarce resource. So now we are actually creating 90 00:05:17.319 --> 00:05:20.439 resource guarding. That's where it starts. It starts with just 91 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:24.279 one hard correction. And I can see sometimes people will 92 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:27.000 grab the dog by the scuff of the neck. They'll yell, 93 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:30.199 they'll scream, and the dog has never seen this kind 94 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:32.600 of reaction before. And unfortunately the dog has your new 95 00:05:32.600 --> 00:05:34.879 pair of socks and you're you're getting angry and you're 96 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:37.240 oh my god. Or the dog picked up a rock 97 00:05:37.839 --> 00:05:40.639 on your walk and you race to get to the dog, 98 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:42.800 get me that rock in it out of its mouth, 99 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:45.959 give me that up, and you've missed the timing. So 100 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:49.399 there's something else that happens. There's a syndrome called pica 101 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:53.759 pica syndrome. Pica syndrome is when a dog starts swallowing 102 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:57.639 the objects, and it really can be quite dangerous to 103 00:05:57.800 --> 00:05:58.240 your dog. 104 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:00.560 We see this all the time, and we see it 105 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:03.600 all the time, and when people call and talk about 106 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:06.879 resource guarding, I say, has your dog ever ingested and 107 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:08.000 swallowed something? Oh? 108 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:08.279 Yeah. 109 00:06:08.319 --> 00:06:10.720 We just were in the emergency vet last week, so 110 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:12.000 we see it all the time. 111 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:15.199 Yeah, and listen, if your dog swallows a sock. One 112 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:18.920 of our trainers years ago had a Doberman that would 113 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:21.079 go into her laundry basket and grab her socks and 114 00:06:21.079 --> 00:06:25.399 swallow them. And that dog had repeated surgeries over and 115 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:27.560 over again to where they were cutting out parts of 116 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:30.519 the intestines to pull out the sock. So this is 117 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:35.079 a really serious thing. Once your dog starts to ingest items. 118 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:37.639 We got another whole holst to promise. And this can 119 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:41.680 easily be fixed before it starts. In other words, this 120 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:43.879 can be prevented, not fixed. I mean it can be fixed, 121 00:06:43.879 --> 00:06:48.000 but it also can be prevented. And so here's what 122 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:51.959 we need to do. When my dog is a puppy 123 00:06:52.199 --> 00:06:55.639 and he grabs an object, the first thing is look 124 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:59.000 at the object. Is the object worth fighting over or 125 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:01.800 going after? Maybe he's just figuring out the world around 126 00:07:01.879 --> 00:07:04.720 him with his mouth. He's picking up the stick, he's 127 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:07.240 picking up the rock, he's picking up the piece of clothing, 128 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:09.879 he's picking up the shoe, and he has it in 129 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:12.399 his mouth, and you you know, why don't we just 130 00:07:12.519 --> 00:07:15.439 sort of redirect him onto something else, make it not 131 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:20.480 interesting either ignore it, which is, if it's not harmful, 132 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:22.839 then just ignore it. The second thing you can do is, 133 00:07:22.879 --> 00:07:26.600 if it is something that you want, try to distract 134 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:29.240 him on to something else. Grab a treat, get a 135 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:32.160 squeaky ball, something that you want to play with him with, 136 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:34.879 so he gets it's not so interesting you don't care 137 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:38.079 about that object. The next thing is is not if 138 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:42.000 the dog has the object, many times, if they are 139 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:44.279 in possession of it. The last thing you want to 140 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:48.639 do is react, and reactions look like this to your dog. 141 00:07:48.759 --> 00:07:51.120 You look at them, you look at them, you yell 142 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:53.920 at them, you say chuckles, don't you dare? You know? 143 00:07:54.079 --> 00:07:56.759 He's got to give that back to me. So now 144 00:07:56.800 --> 00:07:59.639 I've made it about the object. Okay, So what you 145 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:01.560 want to do is a lot of times we tell 146 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:04.399 people to put house lines on your dog. And that's 147 00:08:04.439 --> 00:08:07.519 like a on a flat collar. That's like a I 148 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:11.279 don't know, four or five foot flat nylon inexpensive leash 149 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:14.160 that I buy at pet Smart of the one of 150 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:16.519 the stores, but it's not an expensive leash, and you 151 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:19.639 take the loop handle, you cut that off, and now 152 00:08:19.720 --> 00:08:23.040 my dog has a house line. On while home and 153 00:08:23.079 --> 00:08:26.399 when I'm supervising him, not ever left on unsupervised. So 154 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:29.240 the dog has now my sock in his mouth, and 155 00:08:29.279 --> 00:08:31.680 I'm not gonna look at him. I'm going to kind 156 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:34.679 of back up and I'm gonna step on that leash. 157 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:36.320 I'm not gonna look at him, not gonna say anything 158 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:38.919 to him. I'm going to grab the leash. I'm gonna 159 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:41.320 reel him to me, not looking at him. I'm gonna 160 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:44.799 bend down. I'm grad just gently got to take it 161 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:48.799 out of his mouth and continue on play. Nothing happened, 162 00:08:49.480 --> 00:08:53.279 no reaction. The dog is totally all. 163 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:55.879 Set with that, no eye contact. 164 00:08:55.639 --> 00:08:59.120 No eye contact exactly. So we do that first, and 165 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:03.840 that's a great first sort of first reaction. Okay, So 166 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:07.240 now let's say that someone in the household made it 167 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:10.440 about the object. Or let's say it's a food based item, 168 00:09:10.519 --> 00:09:13.320 it's a wrapper, it's a paper towel with bacon grease 169 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:15.639 in it. Okay. Now we don't want to do and 170 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:18.200 we're gonna say, Okay, is the item that he has 171 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:22.360 in his mouth something that is dangerous to him? And 172 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:24.360 this is what you want to ask yourself. Is it dangerous? 173 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:26.639 Is it going to harm him, and is it going 174 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:29.200 to harm my personal property in anyway? So those are 175 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:32.519 the things. If it is nothing, why are we making 176 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:34.600 it a big deal. If it is something that is 177 00:09:34.679 --> 00:09:36.600 your new pair of pants and he has it, or 178 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:39.519 your your brand new shoes, that's something else. And if 179 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:42.480 that's the case, this is what we do. The dog 180 00:09:42.600 --> 00:09:44.639 goes over to pick up a pair of shoes and 181 00:09:44.799 --> 00:09:48.159 as he starts walking over to get the shoes, he 182 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:52.120 hasn't grabbed him yet. You correct him. Ah a guttural 183 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:56.559 tone and instinctive warning chuckles. A ah no, no, no, no, no, 184 00:09:56.879 --> 00:10:00.399 you correct him there. Now let's say the chuckle. He 185 00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:04.879 doesn't listen to you, and he has the object. Okay, 186 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:07.919 now he has the object, and you go, oh gosh, 187 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:10.320 you're going to say nothing. You are going to go 188 00:10:10.600 --> 00:10:13.240 to the pantry or reach into your pocket. You're going 189 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:16.639 to pull out some really good dog treats and you're 190 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:18.879 going to walk over to him and you are going 191 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:22.440 to say out or drop it, I don't care what 192 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:25.320 the queue is. And you're going to then take the 193 00:10:25.399 --> 00:10:28.200 treat in front of his nose and let him smell it. Now, 194 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:32.799 it's really important that the treat value is higher than 195 00:10:32.799 --> 00:10:35.799 what he has in his mouth. So if it's if 196 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:39.600 it's bacon paper towel with bacon grease on it, that's 197 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:42.080 a high value, I would say. So you're gonna need 198 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:45.080 to come up with something really, really good. So you're 199 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:47.320 going to say drop it. You're going to add the queue. 200 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:49.440 You're going to say the queue. Now the que doesn't 201 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:51.639 mean anything to him but you. Then you're going to 202 00:10:51.679 --> 00:10:53.879 put a little treat in front of his nose, and 203 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:57.440 when he drops it, you're going to do it in 204 00:10:57.600 --> 00:11:00.240 this particular order. You're going to give him the tree, 205 00:11:00.519 --> 00:11:04.320 and right after you're going to reach for the item, 206 00:11:04.759 --> 00:11:07.159 you're gonna pull it away from him, give him the treat. 207 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:10.840 Good boy, good boy, and he eats the tree. Now 208 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:14.120 you're gonna do something which is really radical, if it 209 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:17.279 is not something that you really care about. You're going 210 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:20.960 to give him back the item. You're gonna go what. 211 00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:23.759 You're going to give him back the item, let him 212 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:25.320 have it in his mouth. He's going to grab it, 213 00:11:25.639 --> 00:11:28.600 and then you're gonna repeat it. You're gonna say drop 214 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:32.279 it or out or whatever your cue is. You're going 215 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:34.039 to wag it in front of his nose. Let him 216 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:36.559 smell it. He drops it, you're going to give him 217 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:40.840 the retreat, grab the item and good boy, even jackpot 218 00:11:40.879 --> 00:11:43.279 a couple of treats. So now he's starting to realize 219 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:47.600 that giving up the item is a good thing. Many 220 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:51.320 times good things happen, So now we are not creating 221 00:11:51.799 --> 00:11:56.720 tension on him holding the object. And this is. 222 00:11:56.679 --> 00:12:00.679 Where it starts, Chris, would you recommend and sometimes we 223 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:03.320 do this with clients. We actually practice this, So we 224 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:06.679 start with low value items so we can teach it 225 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:10.039 so that when they grab that HIV value item, this 226 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:11.879 is already a command they're familiar with. 227 00:12:12.399 --> 00:12:17.679 Absolutely, this is something we should teach before this these 228 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:19.720 have been happens, and it's a great thing to teach puppies. 229 00:12:19.720 --> 00:12:22.559 And I think in our puppy classes we do teach this, Jamie, 230 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:24.320 do you want to go through the steps really quickly. 231 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:27.919 Well, we teach to leave it when they're young, and 232 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:30.039 use the clicker to kind of mark when they leave 233 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:33.279 the object and come to us. But we do low 234 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:36.120 value items. A paper towel holder. It doesn't smell like 235 00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:38.360 bacon grease. We may lead up to it smelling like 236 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:41.240 bacon grease, but we'll teach a leave it and then 237 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:44.480 click and then give them a treat and so they 238 00:12:44.519 --> 00:12:47.279 know leave it means drop it or stop and look 239 00:12:47.279 --> 00:12:49.360 at us. And so then we'll do that with low 240 00:12:49.440 --> 00:12:52.120 value items. Will make a course of low value items 241 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:55.440 around the training room and gradually increase the value so 242 00:12:55.480 --> 00:12:58.480 that it's a familiar command and it works even with 243 00:12:58.639 --> 00:12:59.679 desirable items. 244 00:13:00.200 --> 00:13:02.120 Right, So, I think, you know, I think teaching that 245 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:05.399 when their puppies is a really good good thing to 246 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:10.200 learn for the dog. So again, never correct, never come 247 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:14.600 down hard on the dog when they have the item. Okay, 248 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:16.720 I think right now is a good time for us 249 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:18.639 to take a break. We're going to come back and 250 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:21.840 we're going to talk about food guarding, you know, over 251 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:24.519 the dog ball. But I think this is a great 252 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:27.600 place to stop. Stay tuned to Canine Master on pet 253 00:13:27.639 --> 00:13:33.159 Life Radio and we're going to be right back begging 254 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:34.720 to hear more of your favorite show. 255 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:38.559 Colorful Episodes of all our shows are available on demand. 256 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:41.600 Go to petlife radio dot com to fetch our entire 257 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:45.120 lineup of Possome pet podcasts. Also dig us up in 258 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:50.600 iHeartRadio and iTunes. Let's Talk Pats live and demand only 259 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:51.799 from pet Life Radio. 260 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:59.679 Let's Talk Past, Let's put Life Radio, Headline Radio, pet 261 00:13:59.759 --> 00:14:10.519 Life Radio dot Com. 262 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:13.360 Welcome back to Anie Master on pet Life Radio, and 263 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:17.519 we are talking with Jamie Kelsey from Dog on Smart 264 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:21.240 in Norwalk, Connecticut, the director of training, and we're talking 265 00:14:21.320 --> 00:14:28.240 about resource guarding and food guarding. Jamie, you had some 266 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:29.799 some things that you wanted to discuss. 267 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:32.600 Yeah, sure, I mean we talk about this all the 268 00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:34.600 time our team of trainers, and we always want to 269 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:39.360 understand and learn cause before correction, and we talk about 270 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:42.279 nature verse nurture. We get a lot of clients who 271 00:14:42.440 --> 00:14:45.080 just rescued dogs or looking to rescue a dog, and 272 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:48.639 they ask us, do any breeds have the propensity for 273 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:51.840 maybe food guarding, resource guarding? They have young kids, and 274 00:14:51.879 --> 00:14:55.240 so we talk a lot about the breeds that may 275 00:14:55.240 --> 00:14:57.960 be prone to this or more of a you know, 276 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:00.720 a nurture type of environment that they came from, that 277 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:03.440 we can predict if the dog will have resource guarding 278 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:05.480 issues and how to modify them. 279 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:08.720 Yeah. So that's a great thing. So let's talk about 280 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:13.120 nature versus nurture. Dogs that have what we call high 281 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:17.240 food drives. So dogs that can have high food drives, 282 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:19.159 it could be within a breed, So you need to 283 00:15:19.159 --> 00:15:21.799 look at it is my dog always looking for a treat. 284 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:24.799 If my dog goes to the veterinarian and he's nervous, 285 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:26.559 will he take a treat? And if those are the 286 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:28.679 kind of things that we look at, when the dog 287 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:32.759 is anxious or fearful, his food drive is higher than 288 00:15:32.759 --> 00:15:35.320 his fear and that's a dog with a high food drive. 289 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:39.519 There's also dogs that have a propensity that I have 290 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:43.399 seen in my practice. I know is things like Springer 291 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:49.080 Spaniels or Cocker spaniels. I've seen situations where dogs like 292 00:15:49.440 --> 00:15:53.159 even Golden Retrievers that have incredibly high food drives. And 293 00:15:53.399 --> 00:15:55.519 if the wrong things are done, like I said, a 294 00:15:55.559 --> 00:15:58.919 hard correction during imprint, when the dog has the object 295 00:15:59.159 --> 00:16:02.519 or we build tension on the dog bole these can 296 00:16:02.600 --> 00:16:07.120 make the dog have or develop resource guarding or food guarden. 297 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:11.320 I want to talk about the dog that becomes aggressive 298 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:14.559 when you go near his bowl or you're taking it 299 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:17.039 something away from them, and you're going a lot of 300 00:16:17.039 --> 00:16:21.360 dogs will become that way, and that generally also is 301 00:16:21.399 --> 00:16:26.960 something that develops as the dog grows. There's a bad experience. 302 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:32.080 So let's talk about one of the major behaviors that 303 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:35.639 people train their dogs and many trainers across the United 304 00:16:35.679 --> 00:16:38.879 States and around the world teach this, and it actually 305 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:43.759 helps contribute to food guarding. It's this I preparing my 306 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:46.559 dog's food. I then go walk over to my dog 307 00:16:46.639 --> 00:16:49.480 with a big tasty bowl of food, and I tell 308 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:53.000 my dog to sit. So he sits, and now I 309 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:56.759 say stay, and I place the food bowl down in 310 00:16:56.799 --> 00:16:59.240 front of the dog and I have him wait. This 311 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:02.440 is a disaster. Everybody tries to look look at the control. 312 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:04.599 I hel over my dog. But what you're doing is 313 00:17:04.640 --> 00:17:09.920 you're creating tension on that food bowl. You're creating that 314 00:17:10.039 --> 00:17:13.839 this is a huge resource, something that everybody wants, and 315 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:17.440 the dog is building tension on the food bawl. And 316 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:20.000 by the time you say you know, okay or free 317 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:22.559 dog or whatever your release queue is, and the dog 318 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:24.279 runs over to the bowl and gets it. There is 319 00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:27.880 such high intensity around that bowl and if you go 320 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:31.240 near it, he starts to grow. So food guarding is 321 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:34.759 many times created that way. One of the worst things 322 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:35.400 that we can do. 323 00:17:35.799 --> 00:17:39.720 Chris, I just wanted to ask, do you recommend feeding 324 00:17:39.759 --> 00:17:43.200 the dogs in the crate or not? There's mixed you 325 00:17:43.480 --> 00:17:45.559 feeding the crate teaching their creates a good place. But 326 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:47.920 it also can teach them that no one bothers them 327 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:50.200 when they're eating. And then also if you could speak 328 00:17:50.200 --> 00:17:52.920 a little bit about how we prep the puppies when 329 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:56.000 they're eating to be eating with activity around them. 330 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:58.720 Yeah, so I think you know a lot of people say, oh, 331 00:17:58.720 --> 00:18:01.160 I want my dog to go into the crate and 332 00:18:01.240 --> 00:18:03.160 I want to feed him in there because he's really 333 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:07.160 really nervous. So I think that you need to know 334 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:10.000 the temperament of your dog. If your dog is one 335 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:14.640 that is fearful, that has what we call a cornered response. 336 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:17.039 So if you were to grab your dog from underneath 337 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:20.920 the bed, and your dog tends to hunker down, get scared, 338 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:23.119 and as you're pulling him out from underneath the bed, 339 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:26.359 he's very nervous and tries to hide from you. This 340 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:29.559 is a dog I probably would not start out feeding 341 00:18:29.559 --> 00:18:32.640 in the crate. I would actually put the dog bowl 342 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:35.640 in a quiet part in the kitchen maybe, or wherever 343 00:18:35.680 --> 00:18:38.359 you're feeding the dog a quiet area. I would put 344 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:41.839 the bowl into a corner in the room and place 345 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:44.359 the bowl down there. And then what I would do 346 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:46.720 is leave the dog alone in the very beginning, so 347 00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:50.519 he's at least comfortable enough to eat. But then I 348 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:53.880 would many times when the dog is eating, I might 349 00:18:54.279 --> 00:18:56.599 wander over to the ball, or wander over to the 350 00:18:56.640 --> 00:18:58.799 dog and drop in a piece of cheese or drop 351 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:02.119 in a piece of something really high value into the 352 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:05.400 bowl when he's eating, so that the dog starts to 353 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:08.400 light the fact that you go near him when he's eating, 354 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:11.240 because many times you drop in more great treats into 355 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:14.920 the bowl. Now, this is a great technique just in 356 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:19.559 general to prevent sort of food guarding resource guarding on 357 00:19:19.599 --> 00:19:21.599 my food bowl. And I tell people to do this 358 00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:24.960 from the start. When you have a puppy, always do 359 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:28.759 this exercise. Your dog is eating, grab a nice high 360 00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:33.079 value treat, wander over towards the dog, drop the food 361 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:36.920 in there when he's eating, and continue on your way. 362 00:19:37.079 --> 00:19:39.400 Do that several times so that you might even then 363 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:43.880 reach down put in something really good, pick up the ball, 364 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:47.440 reach down, pick up the ball, put a great value 365 00:19:47.559 --> 00:19:49.240 treat in there, and then place it back down. So 366 00:19:49.319 --> 00:19:52.319 he actually likes the fact that you go near his ball, 367 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:55.759 pick up his bowl, and the dog will always think 368 00:19:55.799 --> 00:19:58.440 that you near the ball is a great thing. And 369 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:01.240 then you want to what we call general this have 370 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:04.839 your son or your child. Do this. Have somebody else 371 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:07.720 out in the house. Do this, so the dog starts 372 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:11.000 to welcome people near his ball because good things happen. 373 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:14.359 That's great, and it's so important, especially with young kids. 374 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:16.799 You know, if they're only putting the puppy in the crate, 375 00:20:17.119 --> 00:20:19.920 then they're outside playing with the kids. The puppy finds 376 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:22.079 a chicken bone or something and the kids go near 377 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:24.480 and it might start to guard that object because it's 378 00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:26.960 not used to having that activity around him when he's eating. 379 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:29.720 Right. So now let's talk about Jennie, the dog that 380 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:33.359 was adopted, you got him, the dog that now is 381 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:36.200 when you go near his bowl, he starts, he starts 382 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:38.640 tensing up, he hovers over the bowl. He may have 383 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:41.440 a low, curling growl, and you're like, oh my gosh, 384 00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:45.440 this dog has issues around food. In this case, you 385 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:48.960 may need to In many cases, I would say contact 386 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:52.880 somebody like ourselves and do a private lesson to walk 387 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:54.359 you through the steps. But I'm going to give it 388 00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:58.720 to you in broad strokes. Here. When you have a 389 00:20:58.799 --> 00:21:05.160 dog that is hunkering down and he's really growling about 390 00:21:05.160 --> 00:21:07.640 around his food when you go near him, you need 391 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:11.279 to do the following. First of all, you need to 392 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:14.920 make sure that he's not protective of a particular bowl. 393 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:18.119 You might try a new bowl that looks different, but 394 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:21.440 not only that, that's when you start this technique of 395 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:23.279 trying to fix it. But what you're going to do 396 00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:26.920 is you are going to create a sound that is 397 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:30.160 paired with a great treat. And I always say, you know, 398 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:32.799 if you cook up liver, if you can go to 399 00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:35.359 Duchess and buy the liver sandwich without the bread and 400 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:37.680 just ask them to cook it up, I'm looking for 401 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:42.000