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Speaker 3: Hello, It's me Christopher. Have you ever heard of the
horrific Tale of Saint Elmo's Fire? It's the tragic tale
of Elmo. Are cute and cuddly friend from the streets
of Sesame, he died horrifically in a fire. Come to
think of it, I don't know if that's the loot
of the movie at all. Let's listen in and find out.
Speaker 4: More with Jason and d I'm surely he can't be serious.
Speaker 2: So naked lady walks into the block.
Speaker 5: She's got a pool in one hand and a three
foot salam on the other. The bartender says, I guess
you won't be needing a drink, and then she said,
are we rolling?
Speaker 2: Rolling?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Here we go.
Speaker 5: All right, welcome everybody back to sure that you can't
be serious?
Speaker 2: Pay Hey, you got to tell me the rest of
the joke. I'll tell you after the show.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, welcome back to part two of The
Breakfast Club Versus Saint Elmo's Fire, our last show for
season six. Super excited to talk about these. We just
finished part one where we talked about how the show's
kind of got their inception, some interesting details behind it,
and a breakfast club casting for the Breakfast Club, and
so we're back here to talk about now casting for
Saint Elmo's Fire. But before we get there, these two
movies were known as The Little Chills.
Speaker 6: I was blown away when I came across that little nugget.
Speaker 2: So tell me the story.
Speaker 6: Well, there's a producer named Ned Tannin and he had
worked on The Breakfast Club. And he was also a
producer on Saint Alma's Fire, And there was a comparison
to The Big Chill, which had been made a few
years earlier. Yes, as a successful group of people who
were friends who kind of came together and made a story.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So Ned Tannin was a major studio player, right he was.
He was president of Universal, became later president of Paramount,
did All Kind, he did Jaws, He did several of
the movies that we've covered, including Top Gun.
Speaker 2: But Ned Tanner.
Speaker 6: Sounds awful lot like Biff Tannin to me.
Speaker 5: So a young Bob Zamechis and Bob Gail were pitching
a movie called I Want to Hold Your Hand about
Beatles fandom, Yes to Ned Tannan, and he read the
script and got irate. Thought it was anti semitic. I
don't know what the movie's about, but basically yelled at
them and bullied them, which is why they decided to
name the bully in back the future Tannin. WHOA there
you go?
Speaker 2: How about that?
Speaker 5: And on that note, Saint Elmo's the Bar is on
the back lot at Universal. Yes, three buildings down from
the clock tower used in back It's astounding.
Speaker 6: It's a downing yep, literally right off of the square
for Back to the Future. Yeah, although I did see
a locations video shoot where a guy was walking around
he really wanted to see the Sant Almos bar. It's
been burned down like twice. They yea burned down once
they rebuilt it like it was then burned down again.
They're like, yeah, whatever, but that was actually based off
of a real life bar.
Speaker 2: The tombs, the tombs at Georgetown right.
Speaker 6: This whole movie Santama's Fire was set in Georgetown, but
Georgetown's an old Jesuit college. When they went to the
president of the university, he's like, no, how.
Speaker 5: About no, how about no, Yeah, let's see one redeeming quality.
Speaker 2: Yeah nope, can't find we got drugs, we got sex,
we got yeah, no okay, And so on that note,
you brought this up.
Speaker 5: When we go through the casting for Saint Almos Fire,
You're going to bring up each of the characters and
I'm going to tell you why they're horrible, and you're
gonna give me a reason that they're good at the plan.
Speaker 6: So the idea is is that we loved these characters
who have major character flaws and I'm going to bring
their redeeming qualities to the front.
Speaker 2: Great, I'm anxious to find out what those might be.
You don't have any affection for these characters at all? Okay, no,
not really? All right, well let's get into it. Okay,
all right, all right?
Speaker 6: So the cast of Saint almost fire. So right off
the bat, we get three straight from Breakfast Club. Judd Nelson,
Ali Sheety and Emilia Estavez are recommended by John Hughes.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: They the office of John Hughes and the office of
Joel Schrmarker were in the same building.
Speaker 6: I heard they were like right down the hall from
each other. Yeah, And so they were hired for their
work from the Breakfast Club. Jud Nelson was originally thought
to be better as maybe Billy kind of the wild rebel.
Speaker 2: Which is more in line with the character that he played.
Speaker 6: In Vendor Characters, right, But he went the other way
and did the kind of the more conservative, you know, the.
Speaker 2: Guy becoming the Republican. That's right.
Speaker 4: I'm going to get you a red lacy baby don
like Alec, I'm very happy and you're old pajamas, and
I'm happy when you're out of my old pajamas, Alec,
it's becoming a recoveragerhever you want to get.
Speaker 2: Married, Oh my god, which I think is interesting. All right,
so did it work?
Speaker 6: Let's get into Okay, let's get let's start off with
Emili Westavesk, who plays Kirby Kager. Yes, there are several
quintessential moments in a man's life, losing his virginity, getting married,
becoming a father, and having the right girl smile.
Speaker 2: A stalker what the heck?
Speaker 5: Like he was he had he looked like he might
be the guy throughout, Like he's there trying to trying
to fix things, trying to help people out. He's going
to law school, it's got a promising future, and just happens.
Speaker 2: To you're making my case for me, but keep going.
Speaker 5: No, no, yeah, he's doing okay, and but he but
the drop is so far and so sudden, You're just like.
Speaker 2: What the heck? Just he he throws up.
Speaker 5: He gets a job, quits law school, gets a job
with a high falutin Korean mobster or something like that,
mister Kim so that with no further mister Kim, so
that he can have a house to throw a party
that he's not allowed to have in so that he
can get the doctor to come to the party. When
she doesn't come to the party, he's staring at her
like a horror movie.
Speaker 3: Kurtie, how are you?
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed? Thank you very much.
Speaker 5: Like this has had to be Mark Wahlberg's inspiration for
primal fear or whatever.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just and he keeps ongoing like it
just he sniffs her.
Speaker 6: Pillow, He sniffs her pillow, he finds her while she's
skiing at a resort.
Speaker 2: Yes, and maybe she's the redeeming character. Right, so you
want to move on to.
Speaker 6: Her, No, I want to tell you why Kirbie Kager
is a decent guy.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh, yes, go ahead.
Speaker 6: Now keep in mind, all these people are twenty two. Okay,
so they're fresh out of college.
Speaker 2: They're twenty two.
Speaker 6: Their frontal lobe still hasn't fully developed yet. All right,
So his stalker behavior, I'm going to give him enthusiasm.
Speaker 2: Enthusiasm, all right. He's not a quitter.
Speaker 6: He is excited about seeing something that he wants. He's
pursuing it with all his heart. And the dude takes
a swing. Okay, now here we go. I think we
can both agree that he overstepped his boundaries that multiple times.
And the lovely Andy McDowell Dale Bieberman doesn't lose her
mind and call the police.
Speaker 2: No, she entices him to do it more.
Speaker 6: But you have that iconic moment where he freaking swings
her down, lays the biggest kiss on her.
Speaker 2: Don't do this at home kiss. Okay, hey, dude took
his shot.
Speaker 5: That scene happened so many times in so many different
movies where a guy took a kiss that was not
welcomed by the girl and then the girl suddenly swoons.
Speaker 2: She swoons, and I thought, oh, well, that's the way
it's done. Thank goodness, I never say that she's Louise.
That's that I never ever worked.
Speaker 6: Well, okay, since everybod I got so uptight, But I
will say on his way driving home from the ski resort,
after he got his car stuck and.
Speaker 2: Had to like, where are the other dude's pajamas? And
he gives the skiing doctor blonde stud he gets his
car out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he gives the biggest billy the kid laugh as
he's peeling out after he laid a big kiss on her.
Speaker 2: I'm giving it up to him.
Speaker 6: Man, he took a shot he did. Okay, all right,
who's next, Rob Loow Billy the Kid.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're not gonna believe hot hand is gonna be.
Speaker 5: The most you know, the line that you hear where
you think that, oh, maybe he is actually like trying
to think about this and do the right thing, is
talking about being one of those weekend dads. But that
would be right for her, and that.
Speaker 2: Would be that's his biggest justify.
Speaker 5: Abandoning his child. Is that what he just did in
a sweet and romantic.
Speaker 2: Way, Yes he did. Yes, he did all of the
roman romanta's the romanticization whatever that word is. Yes, the
romantization of this horrific behavior. It is just throughout the movie.
It's terrible. And you know who had a fully developed
frontal lobe, Joel Schumacher. He was directing it and he
wrote it, and then you should know better.
Speaker 6: Okay, all right. So Roblow's character, William Hicks, they call
him Billy Billy the Kid. So he tries to sleep
with mer Wayne Ham's character Wendy. He's kind of got
something going with her. He's also married.
Speaker 2: With a child and a mistress.
Speaker 6: He also tries to get it on with Jewels in
his driveway.
Speaker 5: Tries to get it on like that again the most
inappropriate behavior. Takes the keys, puts them in his pants.
Speaker 2: Come and get them.
Speaker 5: What But she's just trying to It's like she's at
a moment of vulnerability where she just needs somebody and
he's being the biggest cock in the world.
Speaker 6: But to me, his biggest sin is like, you know,
I thought about being a weekend dad, but nope, they
don't need that. No, they need a full time dad.
But you know, do whatever you're gonna do.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 6: However, he's the emotional heart of this movie. He's the
one who rescues Jewels as she's dealing with her suicidal thoughts.
Speaker 2: He gives the whole sign.
Speaker 5: Did you see that lighter he had when he lit
both his cigarettes? That's saint almost fire right there?
Speaker 6: Holy yes, honey, this isn't real. You know what it is.
Speaker 2: It's saying almost fire, electric flashes of light that appear
in dark skies, out of nowhere.
Speaker 6: I will also say he also makes another kind of
egregious sin in that speech because he hugs her as
he's like hugging her back to life. He says, come on, Jewels,
you're making all this stuff up. Okay, Well, she's got
a drug habit, she's lost her job, her stepmamas. She's
not making up these problems. That's real life. Yeah, that's
actually happening.
Speaker 2: He comes to a rescue and he's always there. No, no,
not buying it. Okay.
Speaker 6: Andrew McCarthy's character, Kevin don't seem to like anything I
do it being afraid of Russia.
Speaker 2: It's a harmless fear, but it makes America feel better Russia.
Speaker 6: It's an afloided sense of national worth from more paranoia, because.
Speaker 5: That flicks his ashes into the food that he's making
for his friends, Yes, for his friends. And by the way,
at the very first crack in the door, at the
very moment of the crack in the door, he is like, boom,
time to bang my best friend's girl.
Speaker 6: Not only that he doesn't see it for what it
is and continues to press.
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I was kind of like, well, I
hope that she does end up with him and that
this is a happy thing.
Speaker 5: I was surprised that they started. She banging on the
coffin right away, and then the shower, and then the bed,
and then in the kitchen, and I mean that guy
had to bite him and eat with him or something.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but but I was like, that's a
little fast.
Speaker 5: But then I was hopeful that she would see that
he was this guy who had held it a secret.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess he had it pent up for
a while. Maybe that's why it exploded out like it did.
But geez, Louise, he.
Speaker 6: Was there for her when she needed somebody.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was there for her on the floor and
in the shower and on the fridge and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually he's the character I like the least in
this whole story. Oh really, wow, Although I do.
Speaker 6: I like the part where Demi Morris trying to talk
to him, saying, hey, listen, you're gay. You're gay, and
he's like, I'm not gay, And I'm not saying I.
Speaker 2: Will say this.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to find positive things to say about this movie.
That little moment where she's talking to him, I thought, Oh,
she's gonna she's gonna hook up with him. It was
all a very well plotted out sequence of lines so
that you believed that she was trying to seduce him,
and then you find out she just wants to hook
him up with her gay next door name.
Speaker 6: Bait and switch right there. In fact, she even goes
as far as putting her hand on his thigh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because she thinks it's safe. But we're all looking thinking, oh,
she's making a move.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so let's talk about jewels. To me More's character, jewels,
you break my heart, then again you break everyone's heart.
Speaker 2: I mean, where do I begin? What is wrong with her?
I don't understand.
Speaker 5: Okay, she is it looks like sleeping with her boss
to get her Yes, lots of lies, and then we
find out that that's all been made up and she's
not actually doing that. She obviously has a significant problem
with drugs and alcohol. Probably throw onto that pile. She's
eating food deserved for the homeless and complaining about it
and then talking about being a bag lady in front
of a bag lady who by the way, that was
my favorite part in the whole movie Myra. I think
her name is Moira whatever it might have been. That
lady whoever, that bag lady actress was the bag lady
thumbs up.
Speaker 2: She's just staring at her as she's spewing all this vile.
Speaker 5: I thought it was perfect. She was the everyman for me.
She was me in that movie, just like these are some.
Speaker 2: People.
Speaker 6: Okay, let me just say Demi Moore is plain matchmaker.
She's trying to help Kevin accept who he is, even
though it's misunderstood. Right, She's trying to be a friend
of these people.
Speaker 2: By the way, her next door neighbor is the worst
interior decorator ever. That was the grossest room I've ever seen,
the giant Billy Idol thing. But Billy Idol was fine.
But everything in the room was pink.
Speaker 6: Dude, The Billy Idle thing was awesome.
Speaker 2: It was pretty cool, like bearing that. I won't lie
that was.
Speaker 6: Go back to our Rebel Yell episode. By the way,
just on a side note while we're here, Demi Moore,
like Joel Schumacher had to fight for her.
Speaker 5: You know how he found her. She was walking out
of John Hughes's office for an audition for Really Yeah
and walking down the hall and Joel Schumacher sees her
walking down the hall and whoever his assistant is, He's like,
chase her down, find out if she's an actress. That's
how that's how he picked her to Pop.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: You know, she was in a movie called Blame It
on Rio.
Speaker 2: This movie comes up from time to time and we've
got to talk about this movie.
Speaker 5: So I mean, at some point, like I was I
that was one of those movies when you were a
kid that were like it was on HBO later cine Max,
and you're like, hey, yeah, And then now I'm looking
at it and I find out that.
Speaker 2: Girl was seventeen seventeen seventeen, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 6: I meant to say so when Joel Schumacher hired her,
she had a significant drug problem, right, she had cocaine issues.
He actually kicked her off set one time she was
super high and he's like, get out of here. And
he's a former junkie, like a junkie, and so he
actually said, look, you need to get sober. And they
actually hired a companion to go everywhere with her to
keep her sober. So fifteen days before shooting started was
when she got sober.
Speaker 5: You had a theory about the gravelly sound of her voice,
which it's not as gravelly in the last thirty years
as it was forty years ago.
Speaker 6: So right before we were getting ready to record, I
was like, you know, her voice used to be really
gravelly really raspy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think about one crazy summer. What was
the yeah, one crazy say, one crazy summer, very raspy
voice in.
Speaker 6: This Yes, And I thought, I wonder if cocaine use
affects your voice. Turns out it does.
Speaker 2: It does.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it affects your vocal cords anyway, That's why she
sounds significantly less raspy.
Speaker 2: Possibility.
Speaker 6: She was on the Bratz documentary and I thought her
and Rob Low had the best attitude about the whole thing.
Speaker 5: Did you know that Amelia Stevez and she started dating
after this movie?
Speaker 2: I did. He said he was deeply in love with her.
I did.
Speaker 5: And side note to that, Molly Ringwold and Anthony Michael
Hall started dating after Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2: I knew that as well.
Speaker 5: She apparently hated him during sixteen Candles despised him, but
something happened at Breakfast Club and they started dating.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what happened.
Speaker 6: There were only people around. When you look around, the
only people my age, you know, the guy and the
girl and makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: By the way, Amelio Estevez and Demi Moore did a
movie after this called Wisdom, which I've also been on
a film by to talk About with Jeff, directed by
Amelio Estevez, written by Amelio Estevez, and I thought it
was one of the coolest movies i'd grown up.
Speaker 2: Turns out a little.
Speaker 6: Rough around the edges and parts, but Demmy was awesome in.
Speaker 2: It, okay.
Speaker 6: So, and that's when they were together, engaged. Interesting interesting Okay.
By the way, Also, Rob Loow and Demi had an
affair on sat Alma's Fire Shocker. The two people on
the best looking people on the set, and then they
go on to do about Last Night right, which is
kind of a graduation out of the brat pack into
more adult themes. And I would say that they probably
are the most established post brat pack careers probably so.
Speaker 5: Although Rob Low did have a significant lull, I think
it was Wayne's World that brought him back into the
end of the world again.
Speaker 6: He did, and he I mean, part of the lull
was self inflicted. That oh yeah, videotape scan sixteen year
old or whatever it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep. But he got sober as well. So there
you go. So you might you we've talked about Jewel.
Speaker 5: We just got done with our three way comparison of
Jewel once more set and no doubt. Yes, And there's
a roast that Jewel does about the sixteen year old.
But you had something that you were going to tell
us about Rob Low and Jewel and the movie thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So I listened to Rob Low's audio book a couple
of years ago, and I don't remember a lot of
the details about it. But he noticed Jewel. She was
an upcoming star. And of course he's friends with Champagne.
You know, they went to high school together. It's crazy,
but so he brings Jewel in to do it's some
TV show that didn't last very long. Anyway, she brought
him into be his love interest, and she was not cooperative,
no chemistry, was difficult to work with, and he found
her irritating. And anyway, they had a real rocky relationship
because she wouldn't she wouldn't embrace the idea of him
being sexy, you know, and all that stuff. Anyway, but
she got him. She roasted him at the Rabblo roast,
which it was.
Speaker 5: Hilariousah, it's fun And the punchline at the end of
the song that she sings for him is that she
was the sixteen year old girl in the video.
Speaker 2: She's funny.
Speaker 6: Okay, And then you have Judd Nelson who plays Alec Newberry.
Speaker 2: He's their hero.
Speaker 6: The wet look is them, that's mister.
Speaker 5: He seemed like a hero up until so I was
buying this suit and then ended up doing it with
the sales lady in front of the three way mirror.
Speaker 6: The leggy blonde who wanted to model the lingerie for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So he's a cheater, but a serial cheater.
Speaker 6: He nameless, faithless people.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, yes, and that will all just end when
he gets married. Yes, okay, he is the hero.
Speaker 6: He's always like he goes and rescues jewel jewels.
Speaker 5: He rescues it, well, sort of like it's a team
effort to rescue jewels.
Speaker 6: Really, everybody's rescuing. He does try to kill Kevin while
he pulls him back, and I'll be just yes, attempted
murder and his quote unquote best friend who banged his fiance.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, then, and he's constantly getting jobs for his deadbeat friends.
Speaker 2: That's right, Billy the Kid.
Speaker 6: He is the one always coming through for Billy.
Speaker 5: The Kid and then giving him a swirly whenever he.
Speaker 6: Loses the jip into my office here by the way.
That's swirly maybe the only swearly I remember on any
eighties movie. Yeah, do you know how many swirly as
I gave a summer camp a ton because.
Speaker 2: Of this movie. That's I'm so thankful to summer camp together.
Speaker 6: Okay, let's talk about Wendy Mayor winning him.
Speaker 4: My thighs are fat, No diet works.
Speaker 6: Oh I lose weight in your thighs. Okay, tell me
what's terrible about her?
Speaker 2: Uh? I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't have something terrible in her, honestly, I mean
she okes, I mean I do. She keeps going back
to Billy the Kid. She has a subsess character. That's
her character flaw right, and she recognizes it as a
flaw unlike everybody else who's just like, oh, this is
perfectly acceptable behavior.
Speaker 2: And so it's too bad. But other than that, it's okay.
Speaker 6: She uses her scuba suit to keep Billy the Kid
at Bay Scoop.
Speaker 2: It's by the way in that scene.
Speaker 6: So if you remember in the movie Billy the Kid,
so he finds out she's a virgin and then finds
it fascinating and proceeds to try to steal it. Atever
you turn, so you're steal a virgin right right up yours, buddy. Yeah,
So they have a little makeout session on the couch
and he has no smoothness to him. He goes right
for it and realizes she's wearing a girl whatever something.
It makes fun of her and kills the moment. Yeah,
he's an ass, he kind of is. Actually, she is
the sweetheart of the movie.
Speaker 2: She is.
Speaker 6: She tries to please her parents and she goes out
with Howie and it doesn't really work out, and she.
Speaker 2: Takes the car, but she gives the car back.
Speaker 6: Right, and she makes her own peanut butter and jelly
sandwich and it's the greatest she's ever had. Okay, But
she's a social worker. She cares about people.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she actually is the decent person in all of
these horrible people.
Speaker 2: By the way.
Speaker 6: So, and I do feel bad for her, that billy,
the kids trying to steal her virginity at every turn. Yeah,
Mayor Winningham in real life. You know, she played the
virgin right at the time at the filming of Saint
Alma's Fire, she was pregnant and had already had two children.
Speaker 2: This is the reason for the larger thighs.
Speaker 6: You remember her she was in Turner and Hooch.
Speaker 2: I never saw Turner. I kind of feel bad for.
Speaker 6: Her, Like she's not even mentioned brat pack adjacent, Like
she's like forgotten brat pack.
Speaker 2: Yeah she I mean, she just didn't do anything.
Speaker 6: Rob Low brat pack, Judd Nelson brackpack, Amelia Stevez brat pack,
Andrew McCarthy brat pack, Demi Moore brat pack adjacent. Mary Winningham,
who's that never heard of her?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Kind of sad. Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 6: Anny McDowell is in this movie Stunner.
Speaker 2: Yes, she's beautiful.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we talked about her when we did our Groundhog
Day episode. We did Groundhog Ars's multiplicity.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 5: Her problem is that she doesn't let Amelia Stevez know
that this is not going to happen. She takes him home,
he stalks her, walks into a party he's not been
invited to, completely soaking wet, and she brings him home.
Speaker 6: She gives him pajamas and a fireplace and a place
to sleep instead of calling the police.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, just telling you got a boyfriend or
guy that you won't to hook up with more than
him or something? How about this? How about no? How
about go home.
Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, okay, I forgot to bring up Ali
shety too.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's talk about Ali. Shety. Her character is Leslie. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So number one revenge sex the night the night that
he tells you to get out. Yes, yeah, I throw
that on Alex's Alex Pyle, by the way, marry me
no gout? Yeah right, accuse me of cheating get out right, yes,
even though I have actually been cheating a lot lot.
But she has revenge sex bad enough, right, She.
Speaker 2: Breaks the shower door too.
Speaker 6: She doesn't take her pearls off ever. First of all,
I like the pearls. I'm okay with the pearls.
Speaker 2: How are you with the coffin.
Speaker 6: No, no coffin pearls, yes, coffin no pros.
Speaker 2: Yes. But the morning, the next morning, she reveals the
revenge sex, Like I mean, Kevin is obviously trying to
keep it on the download, doing a great job. Hey,
I got a girl back there. And then she walks
out and ruins everything, ruins the friendship, ruins the engagement possibilities.
Speaker 6: Not cool at all. She's got no, she's got a
poker face in this.
Speaker 2: She would just worked.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and so now they hate each other. And now,
of course Kevin's the one who's going to take the
beating for this.
Speaker 2: Of course he actually is almost killed.
Speaker 6: Almost is murdered on the fire escape. Yeah, but I'm
gonna say, Leslie her good quality.
Speaker 5: I'm struggling to She's trying to help her friends.
Speaker 2: That's that's all I got.
Speaker 6: I don't know, she's always looking at for jewels. She is,
you know, she's always looking at for jewels. But that's
all I got. Yeah, she's not very likable character. In fact,
she knows Alex is cheating this whole time. Well she suspects.
So okay, there's one other guy I want to bring up, Actually,
a couple couple of people I want to bring up. Okay,
So you have the guy who plays mister Kim, who
is Curbo is supposed to be watching his house. He
plays the TV anchor in RoboCup, which is kind of
an interesting thing, right.
Speaker 2: Go check out it RoboCop Versus Predator.
Speaker 6: We did RoboCop Versus Predator a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 6: Now, then you have Martin Bassam and Joyce Van Patten,
who play Wendy's parents.
Speaker 2: Where did you meet Wendy again? Oh, Okay, yeah, she
whispers prison, Yeah, drugs. Do you know who they are?
Speaker 5: I know he was in Twelve Angry Men, and he's
been in some other things.
Speaker 6: She was in Psycho. He was Detective Abergash or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, that's right he was.
Speaker 6: And go back to our Psycho Silence of the Lambs
and m episode.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great one. And then Joyce fan Patten.
I recognize that name, but I don't recall what.
Speaker 6: Joyce van Patten is, the sister Dick Van Patten. Okay,
from Eight is Enough and Spaceballs. These two people are
playing her parents. They were married like in the fifties
and sixties and had been divorced for twenty three years
when they played these characters. So they were actually married
in real life. Interesting and had not been married for
over twenty years.
Speaker 2: That's interesting.
Speaker 6: And then one other thing I wanted to bring up.
Matthew Laurance. He plays Ron.
Speaker 2: He didn Ron.
Speaker 6: He was the guy that Jules was kept trying to
Kevin up with my extra neighbor.
Speaker 2: He's fabulous. Oh yeah, he's been in a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 6: He was in a show from the eighties called Not
Necessarily the News.
Speaker 2: Remember him from that. Yes, yes, which was a ton
of fun if you remember that. Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 6: By the way, some other people, just the alternate universe,
Jodie Foster, Jennifer Beals, Tatum O'Neill, and Joan Cusack were
interested in the role of Jules.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 6: See Thomas Howell audition for the role of Kirby.
Speaker 2: Okay, right, I could see that.
Speaker 6: Sure, Brooks, Shields, Meg Ryan, Jamie Lee Curtis, Melanie Griffith, Sarah,
Jessica Parker, Bridget Fond, Elizabeth shoe At, Jennifer Jason Lee
were also considered for the role of Leslie okay, and
then Anthony Edwards and Leah Thompson were up for roles maybe.
Speaker 2: In sant Almost fine.
Speaker 6: I don't know specifics on that, but lots of brat
pack going on right here.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Are you ready for tibbets? Let's do tibbets?
Speaker 5: Okay, I really only have one. I may throw some
other things in here, but I really only have one.
Speaker 2: But I think it's gonna be a good one. Okay, Okay,
So do you know who Vince Evans is? His name
rings a bell, but I can't place.
Speaker 5: Quarterback for the Chicago Bears in the early eighties. Okay,
became a quarterback for the Chicago Blitz.
Speaker 2: You know that, Yeah, I do.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 5: The Chicago Blitz was the USFL USFL team team. They
were practicing in the same school that The Breakfast Club
was filmed in, and so Anthony Michael Hall walking to
set would pass Vince Evans and his lineman walking out
to practice.
Speaker 2: That is cool.
Speaker 6: I remember the USFL because Oklahoma had a franchise and told.
Speaker 2: Him, yeah, okay, was it the Outlaws? It was the Outlaws?
Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, So here are my tidbits on Sane
aulmost Fire, and then I got tidbits for Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right. We talked about.
Speaker 6: This last episode briefly, but as of June twenty twenty five,
Rob Low confirmed, Demi Moore confirmed they are currently working
on a Saint Almos Fire sequel.
Speaker 2: Right, Joel Schumacher is no longer with us, so I
wonder who's doing the writing on this. I don't know.
It's a good question. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 6: The booga booga boogah chant that they do, yes, that
actually looks very organic, looks spontaneous. That was an actual
fun chant that they had amongst themselves. The actors had
it because it was a response to how people would
talk about them and kind of talk about them behind
their back, and so something between the actors on that.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 6: The other tibit that I have. The studio hated the
title Saint Elmo's Fire. Okay, Okay, because if you think
about it, you know you're pitching a movie, We're gonna
call this Saint Almost Fire. You're like, well, what is it? Well,
it's this thing. Ships are guided by it. But the
joke's on them because what what are we talking about here?
This is even when you watch the movie, you're like,
what the meaningless titles?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 6: I do think it has that kind of quality of
sounding cool without ever understanding what it is. Agreed, Okay,
But they wanted to call this either Sparks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, or the Real World Yeah. Well, MTV had some
success with that title later they did.
Speaker 6: They did, and actually it's a TV show about young
people who are trying to make it in life or
figure out who they are and what they're doing.
Speaker 2: Are all a bunch of assholes? True?
Speaker 6: That is true. Once again, I just want to double
down on what I said in the previous episode. You
have five or six beautiful people, charismatic actors people at
the time, a creative director, and a couple of songs,
including the Santama's fire theme the love theme, which was
played at every prom for the next ten years.
Speaker 5: Oh sure, Yeah, I bets plenty of graduations as well.
Of course, that was written by David Foster, who we've
talked about multiple times now. Really talked about him a
bunch when we did our Chicago seventeen episode.
Speaker 2: Right, so that's earlier this year.
Speaker 5: Go check out Chicago seventeen versus Vital Signs by Survivor.
A great matchup, great album. But he's hilarious every time
I see him interviewed. He's got all sixteen of his Grammy. Yeah,
you can see these sixteen Grammys. What has two thumbs and
sixteen grands right here?
Speaker 2: That'd be me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I didn't realize. So I went to visit
my brother and he was he watches this.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: It's it's this tech investment podcast thing that's very popular
right now. And there were there are these two girls
that have this company. One of them got interviewed. But
it's like Daddy's favorite or something like that or favorite daughter.
I can't remember one of those two, but it's his kids,
Like I looked him up and it's David Foster's daughters
that run this company.
Speaker 2: And they're both you know, socialites.
Speaker 5: Of course, they've you know, had a good, you know,
a wealthy upbringing up in right in the in that world.
Speaker 2: Sure, but it's really it was kind of cool to see.
Speaker 5: I mean they're our age, you know, roughly maybe a
few years younger than us, but pretty girls. But they
the big hit that they got was like some very
popular TV show.
Speaker 2: All they've they did all the clothes for that.
Speaker 5: Okay, but they're they're making tons of money with their
new well anyway, sorry, it's.
Speaker 2: Good for them. Side track.
Speaker 6: That's cool just to kind of go with that. MTV
plus these actors excellent marketing tactic. And then it was
ran on HBO NonStop, just countless time. I don't know
how many times I saw it in HBO. Right, But
this movie I think can credit a lot of its
success to when I watched The Man in Motion video
John Parr, Yeah, which we talked about in our Patreon episode.
Speaker 2: Go go to Patreon.
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Sean Tendale Tisdale. Hold on, I just he just came in,
just came in, man, Seawan Tendall. Shawn Tandaal, thank you,
brother Shawntondaal is the executive producer for this episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: He literally like as as we're in between episodes, he
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Speaker 6: I think we have about forty episodes that are available
over there and nowhere else.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so come come hang out with us at the
at the Patreon page.
Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 6: Anyway, this movie I think can credit MTV for a
lot of.
Speaker 2: Its success and HBO.
Speaker 6: Yeah all right, I've got a few tidbits on Breakfast
Club and then we can go to Final Judgement.
Speaker 7: Sounds good, okay, Flipping.
Speaker 2: Back to Breakfast Club. Yep.
Speaker 6: John Hughes talks about his biggest regret from Breakfast Club
with the stupid Emiliusts scream shatter glass.
Speaker 2: Right, the one dumb part of the movie.
Speaker 6: Yeah, by the way, I didn't know this, but you
know the marijuana smoking scene. Yeah, they're all smoking oregano right, Okay.
Speaker 2: It's a dimebag of a regino day.
Speaker 6: But when Anthony Michael Hall's character says, you know what.
Speaker 2: It is, chick's gonna hold their smoke.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's from a Richard Pryor comedy thing that I'm
not familiar with.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, I didn't know that.
Speaker 6: So apparently he's quoting Richard Pryor when he says.
Speaker 5: That they ad libbed a bunch of the stuff that
they did whenever they were high, and Anthony Michael Hall
admitted that he was familiar with what it was like
to be high, despite the fact that he was only
sixteen years.
Speaker 2: Old the time. But yes, the so I can vote
that that was a live yeah, Neo Maxi Zoom Dweebee.
Speaker 5: And most of the stuff when they're kinda going through there,
why they're there for detention, most of it's ad lived.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, the idea of you know, Claire eating sushi
for lunch. That was from Ali Sheety. Actually yeah, and
the fist pump at the end of the movie that
was an ad lib moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty cool. Okay.
Speaker 6: I found this interesting just to kind of put it
in the timeline of what was going on at the time.
When they go get drinks for the gother cafeteria or whatever,
they come back with cokes, which on the coke it
says nineteen eighty four Summer Olympics.
Speaker 2: Oh, nice little time capsule idea there. It's kind of fun. Okay.
Speaker 6: Do you remember the last time we talked about the
nineteen eighty four Summer Olympics. I think it was in
the Terminator because they were having to film around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. And Fletch.
Speaker 6: I think both of those movies had to film around
the eighty four Olympics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 6: The Breakfast Club movie was originally titled The Lunch Bunch.
Not a great title in my opinion.
Speaker 2: No, not at all.
Speaker 5: And honestly, again, if we're talking about titles that don't
really make any sense, the Breakfast Club doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 6: Do you know whether this comes from No tell me, Oh,
I'm so glad. Okay. So the Breakfast Club comes from
local Chicago teenage slang who when they had to come
they had to come to early morning detention, and so
as a way to kind of spin it positively, the
students called it the Breakfast Club. There you go, all right, okank.
I found this interesting couple of things. At the very
beginning of the movie, it says March twenty fourth, nineteen
eighty four, that's when the story takes place.
Speaker 2: One day.
Speaker 6: Filming for The Breakfast Club started on March twenty eighth,
nineteen eighty four, and I'm thinking to myself, it's four
days difference. Why didn't you just make it the same?
You know, Well, that's because March twenty eighth is a Wednesday.
March twenty fourth is a Saturday.
Speaker 2: How about that? Being very careful with the cat life, right,
That's good? Okay.
Speaker 6: This movie finished third at the box office when it
was released, behind Beverly Hills Cop and Witness.
Speaker 2: Interesting. Okay, a couple two more things.
Speaker 6: Stanley Kubrick was a huge fan of this movie The
Breakfast Club and wanted Anthony Michael Hall to play Private
Joker in Full Metal Jacket yep.
Speaker 5: So while they were filming Weird Science, Kelly LeBrock is like,
have you met Jack Nicholson And I was like, no,
I know him.
Speaker 2: Let's go to his house. Wow.
Speaker 5: And so they go over and Jack is like shooting
free throws in the driveway and they come in and
he's like, I'm gonna go take a shower, you guys,
you know, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Lingerie, Yeah, I'm gonna take a shower. You guys, go
ahead and go in the house.
Speaker 5: And so they like go to the front door and
Angelica Houston answers the door and it's like, what is
Kelly LeBrock and this teenager doing here? But he talks
to Anthony and Michael Hall about Stanley Kubrick because obviously.
Speaker 2: Shining shining right wow? So yeah, so nice. Didn't that
work out?
Speaker 5: I think it was just a contractual deal, Like I
guess they couldn't agree on a price or the agents
or whatever. But yeah, Anthony Michael Hall later saw Matthew
and was like, how was it, Like, how was it?
How long did it shoot? And he was like fifty
four weeks, so almost a full year of shooting. When
you compare that to this where they I mean, they
spent two weeks rehearsing, they shot it in sequence, both
of which are very rare even at the time to do.
But still it was only a few weeks of time
of their lives, right, sure, not over a year.
Speaker 2: That's madness. Yeah, yeah, genius madness.
Speaker 6: But wow, that's why Anthony Michael Hall started out here
and then went well, yeah, so I just want to
bring up the movie poster for the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's any iconic. Any Liebowitz shot it? Oh really? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Okay, and yes, absolutely iconic, one of the most iconic
posters of all times. Yeah, and they shot a few
different poses, you know, like standing in the line or whatever.
But anyway, what I was going to say is people
don't notice. I think a lot of the time that
the Texas Chainsaw Massacre two poster is the identical post.
Speaker 2: I love it. It is. I love it.
Speaker 5: Okay, And before we get to final judgment, I just
have to say this. I just have to shout out
to all of the people who were involved in this process.
But I was a theater major as an undergraduate, you know. Yeah,
and the summer after I graduated from college, before I
went to law school, we put together together a theater company.
All of our my friends and I put together the
theater company called ourselves the Chocolate Factory because we're all
Willywalk fans. And we did thirteen shows in one summer,
which is thirteen shows isn't reasonable for like two or
three years for a regular company. And we're throwing together
thirteen shows in one summer, and we were doing this
kind of it wasn't great.
Speaker 6: It's hard for us to do for thirteen episodes in
the summer.
Speaker 5: Right, And so we were we were finding these strange
places to go. You remember ben Venuti's used to be
the Innerurban. Yeah, when it was under construction, like it
was there were we went in that building and performed
to play inside the building. We had a friend who
had the apartments that used to be just outside of
o You we did one in the parking lot. Like
his apartment was basically backstage and the rest of the
thing was performed in his parking lot.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: But the very first production that we did was got
to be Mine. I directed a stage version of The
Breakfast Club. And the girl that I had play Ali
Magan Buchanan. She's now the director of the Oklahoma ballet.
The guy who I had play the jock is Jet Thomason,
who has done I see in commercials all the time.
He's done plenty of voiceovers.
Speaker 2: Yes, and when we first started, he was the guy
who did our introduction.
Speaker 6: Surely you can't be serious, yes.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, but Amy Staremsky, who's now Amy Knowles. We
had Eric Price and we had Matt Brown, both guys
who have done great things in the entertainment world as well,
and I got to direct them before they were doing anything.
And the guy who's at the Oklahoma who was in
charge of like entertainment, found out we were doing this,
and then that you know, I said, we were doing
it in weird spaces. I don't know how, but I
got Norman High to agree to let us do it
in their library. So we literally get to do it
right in the location that's awesome it would normally take
place in. And the guy found out that we were
doing this where it was, and he made us the
number one thing to do. And so there was this wonderful,
you know, Oklahoma news article and it's all of my
actors in that poster pose. That's fantastic, big, big moment
in my life.
Speaker 6: By the way, the Oklahoma for those who don't know,
is the newspaper of Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2: It's a big deal. Yeah, very good. Okay, Well, here
we are final judgment. Judgment. I know how you're feeling.
Go ahead.
Speaker 5: H Yes, I don't think i've I don't think I've
fooled anybody into thinking that there was any chance the
sant almos Fire was sant Amos Fire could be what
the heck happened? Episode? Yeah it was. I'm so sorry.
I met a wonderful person a few weeks ago and
told her that we were doing these two and she
was so excited about Saint elmos Fire, and I if
she watches this, I'm she's gonna be very disappointed. But
it was terrible, and Breakfast Club defined the eighties, and
so there's just no question Breakfast Club is a million
miles ahead of sant elmos Fire.
Speaker 6: Okay, there, So I agree with you that Breakfast Club
is a nearly perfect movie. It accomplishes what it sets
out to do. It causes you to take five strangers,
you fall in love with their characters. You understand the
point of the movie is that we're all more similar
than we think.
Speaker 2: We are. We're all the same. We're all the same.
Speaker 6: We're all an athlete in a basket case and a
princess and criminal and sant almos fire. Although I do
have a lot of affection for I am sucked in
by that time in my life where I was aspiring
to be. Oh man, I hope I have a group
of tight knit friends in college, and I hope that
we're all there for each other and we love each
other always and that, you know, I think the idea
that this movie is they're transitioning where they were kind
of a big deal at college, and they're kind of
going out into the world, and they're realizing we're not
all going to be the same, and we're not gonna
be friends forever, and we're not gonna get dinner every
Thursday night, and so there's a certain nostalgia. You know,
I had a group like that in college that I'm
super fond of. You met several of them, and we
don't see each other as much as I would like to,
you know, and so there's a sadness with that. However,
when it comes to movie to movie, Breakfast Club is
far and away much better, right.
Speaker 2: So there you go. That's my follow judgement.
Speaker 5: All right, guys, tell us what you think. We know
that there are many of you out there who love
Saint elmos Fire. If you love it more than breakfast club,
we want to know that. Tell us about it and
tell us why you love it more than breakfast club. Yeah,
and you know what, it's a new year. What a
great thought for our new year. We're all the same,
we're all the same. Let's let's find the commonality. Let's
let's not be at each other's throats on the social media.
Let's find ways that we can get along with people
despite our differences.
Speaker 2: How about that?
Speaker 6: In the simplest terms, the most convenient definitions were all
members of the breakfast club.
Speaker 2: Love you, guys, Thank you so much. Thank you. I
guess