1 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,359 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome the All Eighties Movies Podcast, the podcast 2 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,760 where we talk about the blockbusters, the fluffs, and everything 3 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,519 in between from one of the freshest decades from movies, 4 00:00:27,719 --> 00:00:28,559 the nineteen eighties. 5 00:00:28,879 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: I'm your host Bill Banton. 6 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,359 Speaker 1: Along with me on this journey revisiting eighties movies is 7 00:00:32,359 --> 00:00:35,880 my co host Jason Massek. Hello, Jason, Hi. 8 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 2: I'm Chucky and I'm your friend to the end Heidi. 9 00:00:40,079 --> 00:00:41,600 Ho ha ha ha ha ha. 10 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,399 Speaker 1: That's right, listeners, we're discussing with spoilers of twenty the 11 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,719 nineteen eighty eight supernatural horror movie Child's Play. It was 12 00:00:49,759 --> 00:00:54,679 produced by United Artists and distributed by MGMUA Communications Company. 13 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:59,399 The movie stars Catherine Hicks, Chris Sarandon, and Alex Vincent. 14 00:01:00,039 --> 00:01:02,439 Directed by Tom Holland, this movie is rated R with 15 00:01:02,479 --> 00:01:05,519 a running time of one hour and twenty seven minutes. 16 00:01:06,159 --> 00:01:09,120 So what is this movie about? What's in the box. 17 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,079 If you grew up in the nineteen eighties and what's 18 00:01:11,079 --> 00:01:13,480 your local video store to rent this movie, you would 19 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,359 find this description on the back of the VHS box. 20 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,920 It is What's in the box? Take it away, Jason. 21 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 2: Nobody believes six year old Andy Barkley when he says 22 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,959 that Chucky, his new birthday doll, is alive, and when 23 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,439 Andy's babysitter is violently pushed out the window to her death, 24 00:01:31,719 --> 00:01:34,920 the boy tells his mother and the detective the simple 25 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,959 truth Chucky did it. In this clever, playful thriller, voodoo 26 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,120 and terror meet when an innocent looking doll is inhabited 27 00:01:43,159 --> 00:01:45,920 by the soul of a killer who wasn't ready to die. 28 00:01:46,079 --> 00:01:49,480 Only young Andy realizes that Chucky, who promises to be 29 00:01:49,599 --> 00:01:52,519 his friend to the end, is responsible for the ensuing 30 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,439 rampage of gruesome murders. But the real terror takes hold 31 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,760 when the deranged doll becomes determined to transfer his evil 32 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,359 sp hear it to a living human being. Child's Play 33 00:02:03,439 --> 00:02:07,319 co writer director Tom Holland, creator of the popular Fright Night, 34 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,639 treats his audience intelligently in this stylish thrill a minute 35 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:16,400 chiller filled with startling special effects. Look out, Freddy, here 36 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:17,680 comes Chucky. 37 00:02:18,719 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: So that was what's on the box. Let's move on 38 00:02:21,759 --> 00:02:24,120 to our eighty snapshot as we highlight some of the 39 00:02:24,199 --> 00:02:26,159 creative forces from this movie. 40 00:02:26,319 --> 00:02:30,159 Speaker 2: Jason, who do you Got? I went with Brad Doriff, 41 00:02:30,719 --> 00:02:35,039 who plays serial Killer Charles Lee Ray and also performs, 42 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:40,080 of course, the voice of Chucky. Some trademarks of Brad 43 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,080 Dorif are his deep, raspy, ominous voice. He often plays 44 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,240 eccentric or deranged characters, and also he's known for his 45 00:02:48,319 --> 00:02:52,719 frightening expressive interpretations. His career as a wonderful character actor 46 00:02:52,759 --> 00:02:54,919 goes back to the mid seventies, where he did some 47 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,800 notable work as Billy Bibbett in One Flew Over the 48 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,319 Cuckoo's Nest, for which he received a Best Supporting Actor nomination. 49 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,120 He also was in the Eyes of Laura Mars and 50 00:03:05,159 --> 00:03:06,680 I have to mention, of course, that he was in 51 00:03:06,719 --> 00:03:11,599 three episodes of Studs Lot again. Oh my god, it 52 00:03:11,719 --> 00:03:16,000 is back the TV miniseries from nineteen seventy nine. Always 53 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,840 have to mention that one starring Harry Hamlin, because it 54 00:03:18,879 --> 00:03:22,719 feels like everyone was in that mini series somehow it does. Anyway, 55 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,560 he's got over. This is a Brad Doriff. He's got 56 00:03:25,599 --> 00:03:27,840 over one hundred and seventy credits on IMDb, so let's 57 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,400 just say the guy's worked a lot. Here's his eighties snapshot. 58 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,400 He does Heaven's Gate in nineteen eighty, Ragtime in eighty 59 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,960 one Dune in eighty four. He plays a convict in 60 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,400 a Toto music video for Stranger in Town in eighty four. 61 00:03:42,479 --> 00:03:45,199 He's in Blue Velvet in eighty six, does some TV 62 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,000 episodes and TV movies. Of course, we have to mention 63 00:03:48,319 --> 00:03:51,520 as well that he was in an episode of Miami Vice. 64 00:03:51,719 --> 00:03:56,439 That's season three, episode sixteen, the episode entitled Teresa one 65 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,360 of my favorites. Actually, yes, that one features Helen Bottom 66 00:04:00,439 --> 00:04:04,360 Carter correct correct as the titular character Teresa. 67 00:04:04,599 --> 00:04:05,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, Young doctor. 68 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,319 Speaker 2: That was in nineteen eighty seven. He does This Child's 69 00:04:08,319 --> 00:04:10,319 Play in eighty eight, and then Mississippi Burning in eighty 70 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:12,080 eight as well. He goes on to be featured in 71 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,039 The Exorcist three Jungle Fever. He continues to do the 72 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,920 voice of Chucky in all of the following sequels. He 73 00:04:17,959 --> 00:04:20,240 was in Color of Night, Murder and First I remember 74 00:04:20,319 --> 00:04:24,079 him well from Alien Resurrection, but he's also well known 75 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,600 as Grima worm Tongue from the Lord of the Rings, 76 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,319 The Two Towers and the Return of the King. He 77 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,879 does thirty six episodes of Deadwood as Doc Cochrane, and 78 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,120 he reprised his role as the voice of Chucky in 79 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,839 twenty four episodes of the TV series Chucky from twenty 80 00:04:39,879 --> 00:04:43,120 twenty one to twenty four Little Trivia. He is the 81 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,720 only actor to be in all seven Child's Play films, 82 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,920 although he only appeared on screen in Child's Play from 83 00:04:48,959 --> 00:04:51,399 eighty eight and Curse of Chucky in twenty thirteen, and 84 00:04:51,439 --> 00:04:53,800 all the other films his performance was voice acting. Only. 85 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,720 Out of all the Child's Play films, Bride of Chucky 86 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:02,600 from ninety eight is his favorite. Brad Dorif always a 87 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:03,480 pleasure to see him. 88 00:05:03,639 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely. I went with actress Catherine Mary Hicks, 89 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,360 who was born in New York City but grew up 90 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,000 in Scottsdale, Arizona. Her academic path took her to Saint 91 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,160 Mary's College to affiliate with Notre Dame, where she studied 92 00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:20,160 English literature, but the pull of the stage was strong, 93 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,600 and she eventually made her way to Cornell University, where 94 00:05:23,639 --> 00:05:27,079 her passion for acting truly came alive. After Cornell, she 95 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,720 moved to New York and things moved pretty fast. Within 96 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,879 just a week, she landed her first professional gig on 97 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,319 the ABC daytime soap Ryan's Hope. That kicked off her 98 00:05:37,319 --> 00:05:39,600 career that would make her one of the familiar faces 99 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,600 of the eighties film and television. She appeared in Ryan's 100 00:05:42,639 --> 00:05:46,519 Hope from seventy six to seventy eight, then made a 101 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,680 splash on Broadway in Tribute for eight months. Hollywood soon 102 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,720 came calling as Catherine's breakout moment came when she portrayed 103 00:05:54,759 --> 00:05:58,920 Marilyn Monroe in Marylyn The Untold Story in nineteen eighty, 104 00:05:59,079 --> 00:06:02,720 a performance at earned turn Emmy nomination and international attention. 105 00:06:03,199 --> 00:06:06,199 Throughout the early eighties, Hicks appeared in a string of 106 00:06:06,199 --> 00:06:10,639 notable films including Death Valley, Garbo Talks, The Razor's Edge, 107 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,360 and Peggy Sue Got Married, which we covered in Season four. 108 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,560 Then came her most iconic role as doctor Gillian Taylor 109 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,680 in Star Trek four The Voyage Home. But horror fans 110 00:06:20,879 --> 00:06:24,759 know her best is Karen Barclay The Mother and Child's Play, 111 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,399 the film that introduced the world to Chucky. Not only 112 00:06:27,439 --> 00:06:29,759 did it cement her status in the horror genre, it's 113 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,360 also where she met her future husband, special effects designer 114 00:06:33,439 --> 00:06:36,160 Kevin Jeger. The Too Married to Welcome the Daughter in 115 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,879 nineteen ninety two. Then in nineteen ninety six, she found 116 00:06:39,879 --> 00:06:43,360 a new kind of fame as Anne Camden, The matriarch 117 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,800 on the long running TV series Seventh Heaven Show became 118 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,959 a family favorite and stayed on the air for an 119 00:06:48,959 --> 00:06:53,040 impressive eleven seasons, ending in two thousand and seven actress 120 00:06:53,319 --> 00:06:58,279 Catherine Hicks. So that leads us to our earliest memories, Jason, 121 00:06:58,319 --> 00:07:00,720 what are your earliest memories of Job's Play? 122 00:07:01,199 --> 00:07:04,759 Speaker 2: You know what, It's interesting, it's mostly feelings. Those are 123 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,639 my memories regarding Child's Play. This movie came out when 124 00:07:07,639 --> 00:07:11,759 I was fifteen, and I can still recall being nervous 125 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,480 to watch it because I am a scaredy cat, as 126 00:07:14,519 --> 00:07:17,319 I've mentioned so many times, and so I was recalling 127 00:07:17,319 --> 00:07:21,079 my early feelings just for this particular segment. And I 128 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,519 actually thought I was younger when this movie came out, 129 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,519 because I was like, oh yeah, I remember being really 130 00:07:25,519 --> 00:07:27,399 scared when this movie came out, as if I was 131 00:07:27,439 --> 00:07:30,560 like a little kid, but I was freaking fifteen. So 132 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,959 all I can say is I remember the concept really 133 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:36,480 creeping me out. That it was a kind of a 134 00:07:36,639 --> 00:07:40,959 dark idea involving obviously this doll that is possessed by 135 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,279 a serial killer, and it had a supernatural aspect that 136 00:07:44,439 --> 00:07:47,319 kind of weirded me out. I don't know, maybe the 137 00:07:47,399 --> 00:07:49,839 fact that it takes place in Chicago bothered me too, 138 00:07:50,079 --> 00:07:53,000 and I was growing up outside Chicago. My earliest memories 139 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,680 just revolve around those creepy feelings surrounding it. I thought 140 00:07:57,839 --> 00:08:03,600 the doll, of course, was supremely scary. I thought the 141 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,160 voice was creepy. So I mean, I remember seeing the 142 00:08:06,199 --> 00:08:09,560 previews for it. Then eventually, of course I did see 143 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,560 this film. I can honestly say that, but around that time, 144 00:08:13,639 --> 00:08:16,560 I do recall the my Buddy Doll being a thing 145 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,759 and the commercials for that, along with the catchy song 146 00:08:18,839 --> 00:08:22,079 that came along with that. But from the film Child's Play, 147 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,879 the memories are basically of Chucky saying Hi, I'm Chucky, 148 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,920 want to play and the Heidi ho and just saying 149 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,000 that over and over to your friends because it was 150 00:08:32,039 --> 00:08:34,480 just super creepy. But that's it. That's all I got. 151 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,720 I hadn't seen or heard of like a movie before 152 00:08:38,759 --> 00:08:43,960 this involving a possessed doll. Somehow it taps into something 153 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,399 that's very scary for me. So that's all I got. 154 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,320 What are your earliest memories for me? 155 00:08:48,799 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: I remember when the trailers a commercials started coming out, 156 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,519 and I was always that shot of well, which found 157 00:08:55,519 --> 00:08:57,759 out it was Maggie falling out the window, right, But 158 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,519 overall I was like, yeah, this isn't for me. I'm 159 00:09:01,519 --> 00:09:03,799 not gonna see it or run out to see it 160 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,080 anytime soon. But then when it finally came out it 161 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,879 was number one the box office, I was like, WHOA, Okay, 162 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,039 So I think just because it did well in the 163 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:17,000 box office for a horror film, that really piqued my curiosity. 164 00:09:17,039 --> 00:09:19,799 So when it came out on rental, I did end 165 00:09:19,879 --> 00:09:23,399 up running it, and I was kind of surprised about 166 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,720 how much I liked it. It was one of those 167 00:09:26,799 --> 00:09:29,000 I just wasn't sure how it was going to work 168 00:09:29,039 --> 00:09:31,399 with the story, but I thought it did at the time. 169 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,440 And yeah, just kind of became a fan of Chucky 170 00:09:35,759 --> 00:09:37,480 for it. But I mean, when you talk about your 171 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,960 eighty Slasher icons, Chucky for Me is down the list. 172 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,320 I don't watch these movies a lot. I don't even 173 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,799 know if I've seen all the films. I know I've 174 00:09:45,799 --> 00:09:47,679 seen most of it was gonna be my follow up question. 175 00:09:47,759 --> 00:09:50,039 I definitely know I saw a Bride two. I'm not 176 00:09:50,039 --> 00:09:54,000 sure if I saw three. I've probably seen five of them. Wow, Okay, Well, 177 00:09:54,039 --> 00:09:56,679 that's impressive. Unto itself, I haven't. Yeah, just because it 178 00:09:56,759 --> 00:09:58,960 did well in the box office was really the reason 179 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,720 why I was like, all right, I need to check 180 00:10:00,759 --> 00:10:03,240 this out. If people are going to see it, hopefully 181 00:10:03,279 --> 00:10:05,720 it's at least somewhat decent. And I was just kind 182 00:10:05,759 --> 00:10:08,159 of surprised that it did work. And that's it for me. 183 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: There you go, short and sweet, but I agree. Yeah, 184 00:10:10,279 --> 00:10:13,039 I have only seen bits and pieces from the sequels. 185 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:19,120 I seem to recall that the word of mouth on 186 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,799 the TV series was very positive and it went for 187 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,159 a few seasons, I want to say, but I still 188 00:10:24,279 --> 00:10:26,759 never watched it. I was good with just the first movie. 189 00:10:26,919 --> 00:10:27,679 Gotcha all r. 190 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: Let's move on to initial thoughts. Where are your initial 191 00:10:29,879 --> 00:10:31,679 thoughts watching it now? 192 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,879 Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned the total running time at the top, 193 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,320 and that's the first thing. I love the fact that 194 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,320 this movie is only an hour and twenty seven minutes. 195 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,240 It's perfect for an good eighties campy, cheesy horror movie. 196 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:47,279 It's perfect for this. I gotta say, this movie moves. 197 00:10:47,519 --> 00:10:52,000 It does not waste any time, and I definitely appreciate that. 198 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,519 I love a movie that gets right to it. We're 199 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,840 not sitting through opening credits alone. We actually get an 200 00:10:58,879 --> 00:11:01,919 action sequence right from the top. We get right to it. 201 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:06,279 Although the credits do appear during the action sequence. I 202 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,799 kind of like that. I have mixed feelings about it. 203 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,000 There were some that were like credits that appeared in 204 00:11:12,039 --> 00:11:14,080 moments that I was like, oh wow, did they time 205 00:11:14,159 --> 00:11:17,879 that just perfectly with the you know, Braddorriff's name appearing 206 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,840 right as it's focused on him. I'll get into that 207 00:11:20,919 --> 00:11:23,120 a little bit later actually, but the opening was strong, 208 00:11:23,159 --> 00:11:25,879 great setup for an eighties horror movie. As mentioned, the 209 00:11:26,039 --> 00:11:29,919 idea of this with the supernatural aspect still kind of 210 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,480 creeps me out, especially as I mentioned when I was young. 211 00:11:32,519 --> 00:11:34,840 But now I look back upon it and I'm like, 212 00:11:34,919 --> 00:11:37,039 this is fun. This is just kind of a fun 213 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,919 conceit for a B horror movie, So you just go 214 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,960 with it. Nice and simple, easy setup. I get it. 215 00:11:44,279 --> 00:11:48,440 I love this Braddriff's character. He is supposed to be 216 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:52,320 a serial killer with the moniker, this strangler, but his 217 00:11:52,399 --> 00:11:56,200 actual name is Charles Lee Ray. Great name for a 218 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,440 serial killer, and I'm gonna step on some trivia real quick. 219 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,039 They clearly borrowed part of names from real serial killers. 220 00:12:02,039 --> 00:12:05,879 Are notorious figures such as Lee, Harvey Oswald, Charles Manson, 221 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,000 and James Earl Ray. So you just put it together, 222 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,840 you get Charles Lee Ray. I have a question for you, 223 00:12:10,919 --> 00:12:12,919 Bill Bant, speaking of one of the opening scenes in 224 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,399 this movie, is the scariest scene in the entire film 225 00:12:16,519 --> 00:12:20,120 of child's play, Andy himself making breakfast in bed for 226 00:12:20,159 --> 00:12:20,480 his mom. 227 00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: I was gonna maybe ask you about that. It was like, 228 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,639 is that the worst breakfast we've ever seen on film? 229 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:29,720 I'm pretty sure there's another movie where someone makes a 230 00:12:29,799 --> 00:12:32,600 terrible breakfast for their mom or dad, but that's got 231 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,159 to be one of the worst breakfasts I've ever seen 232 00:12:35,159 --> 00:12:35,720 in my life. 233 00:12:35,759 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 2: At first, I thought he was making it for himself, 234 00:12:37,879 --> 00:12:39,840 but then it's clear he's making it for his mother. 235 00:12:39,919 --> 00:12:43,360 But you know, the movie opens on Andy's birthday, the 236 00:12:43,399 --> 00:12:46,679 six year old boy, and he's pouring what is it like, 237 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,240 fruit loops into a bowl that he spills all over 238 00:12:49,279 --> 00:12:51,080 the place, and then he pours milk all over it, 239 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,480 which he spills all over the place, puts like seventeen 240 00:12:53,519 --> 00:12:56,320 scoops of sugar on top of it, and then burns 241 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,679 the toast and puts a giant ball of butter on 242 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,879 top of It is just super gross. It is Is 243 00:13:02,919 --> 00:13:06,440 this the freakiest scene in the entire movie. I want 244 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,360 to also shout out some you know, some Chicago aspects, 245 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,279 and this is a pretty solid Chicago movie. Always loved 246 00:13:12,279 --> 00:13:17,000 seeing the old Chicago police squad cars. Carson Pierri Scott. 247 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,759 I totally forgot about this retail department store. And I 248 00:13:20,799 --> 00:13:23,120 got to mention a little trivia regarding this because this 249 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:27,480 is where Andy's mother Karen played by Catherine Hicks works. 250 00:13:27,799 --> 00:13:30,720 She works at Carson Pierri Scotton Company. It was a 251 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,799 former American department store that was sold in two thousand 252 00:13:33,799 --> 00:13:36,679 and six and went bankrupt in twenty eighteen and closed 253 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:41,000 all its physical locations. They were still around as recent 254 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,320 as what seven years ago. Oh, I didn't know that 255 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,039 was a real place. Oh yeah, absolutely. Oh that's awesome. 256 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,919 So the brand still exists online, but the original flagship 257 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,559 building was in Chicago, a famous work by architect Lewis 258 00:13:53,759 --> 00:13:56,960 Sullivan and is now called the Sullivan Center and houses 259 00:13:57,039 --> 00:14:00,600 various retailers, including a Target on the ground floor. So 260 00:14:00,759 --> 00:14:06,240 Carson Berry Scott was mainly a Midwestern retail merchandise department store. 261 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:07,679 So I was going to ask you if you had 262 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:12,440 that in Philly. Nope, no, Okay. So here's one thing. Now, 263 00:14:12,799 --> 00:14:14,840 I'm going to get into some just I'm pointing out 264 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,360 some things here that caught me off guard or surprised 265 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,000 me in this. I watched this thinking I was going 266 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,799 to remember a lot, but some things did surprise me. 267 00:14:23,279 --> 00:14:27,039 One being that when Andy finally, you know, he gets 268 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:32,759 the good guy's doll, which is Chucky, it sits Chucky 269 00:14:32,799 --> 00:14:35,879 down with he's playing with Chucky, and he's playing with 270 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:41,080 the good guy's tool set, and behind them, the TV 271 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,879 is on with a newscast, and the newscast is speaking 272 00:14:44,919 --> 00:14:49,679 of Charles Lee Ray's accomplice Eddie Caputo, and you see 273 00:14:49,799 --> 00:14:53,279 Chucky turn his head to look at the TV, and 274 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,039 I was like, wow, they give it away right away. 275 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,799 Like we understand as an audience, especially as adults, you 276 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:00,759 watch this, you know the doll is possessed by the 277 00:15:00,799 --> 00:15:03,279 serial killer Charles Lee Ray. But I was surprised in 278 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,639 the film that the doll itself than in once in 279 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,519 under the ownership of Andy turns his head like that 280 00:15:09,679 --> 00:15:12,720 so quickly. That's a tell, Like that's like giving it 281 00:15:12,759 --> 00:15:14,360 away right away. I thought there was going to be 282 00:15:14,399 --> 00:15:17,679 more build up and tension before we actually saw the 283 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:18,840 doll move. 284 00:15:19,159 --> 00:15:22,279 Speaker 1: Under its own power. I think because we know. Yeah, 285 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,480 But part of me thinks too, because when I was 286 00:15:24,519 --> 00:15:26,879 doing the research, I think the first half or the 287 00:15:26,879 --> 00:15:28,720 first acts is supposed to set up if we're not 288 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,799 one hundred perck shut sure that it is possessed, so 289 00:15:31,879 --> 00:15:34,279 it might be sound activated. So it's just turning to 290 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,480 the TV. Okay, that's where the noise is coming from. Right, 291 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,480 But because we know what's going on, it does seem 292 00:15:40,519 --> 00:15:41,279 like it's a giveaway. 293 00:15:41,639 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. That just kind of broke the tension for me 294 00:15:43,799 --> 00:15:46,519 really soon quickly in the film, and I was right, 295 00:15:46,639 --> 00:15:49,200 oh wow, they're just like giving it away. But it's 296 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,320 interesting you mentioned that you would think the doll is 297 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,480 sound activate, which leads into my next thought. Here is 298 00:15:53,519 --> 00:15:56,240 the fact that the way they shoot Chucky in this 299 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:00,639 is wonderful. The doll. There's always something inherently creepy about 300 00:16:00,639 --> 00:16:04,440 a doll's eyes, the lifelessness of a doll. It always 301 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,279 makes me think of the famous monologue from Jaws, your 302 00:16:07,399 --> 00:16:11,240 favorite movie, the Quint monologue. He talks about a shark's 303 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:15,240 size a doll's eyes right, always scary, So all of 304 00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:19,440 those shots of Chucky the good Guy's doll sitting motionless 305 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,879 are just really effective. They really really did a great 306 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,720 job with that. And when you talked about the doll 307 00:16:26,759 --> 00:16:28,840 being sound activated, I had a question for you too, 308 00:16:28,919 --> 00:16:32,639 because one Andy pulls the doll out of the box 309 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,279 for the very first time and shows his mom how 310 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,879 it works, and he says, Hi, my name is Andy, 311 00:16:37,919 --> 00:16:40,159 what's your name or something to that effect, and then 312 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,960 immediately you see the Chucky doll look right at Andy. 313 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:49,200 He looks at him and then says, Hi, I'm Chucky 314 00:16:49,639 --> 00:16:52,159 and I'll be your friend. To the end, I was like, Oh, 315 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,639 is that kind of a tell as in the doll 316 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,919 is like possessed by a human spirit or does the 317 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,960 doll have the ability to actually look where the sound 318 00:17:02,039 --> 00:17:05,519 is coming from, because he looks right at Andy, right exactly. 319 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:07,839 Speaker 1: And you would think they could probably make dolls like 320 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,680 that today, but back in the vies, probably not. It 321 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,279 would maybe just reac looking straight right. It would just 322 00:17:14,279 --> 00:17:17,319 look straight ahead and hear the voice and then respond 323 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,200 with one of the probably to one of its random passages, 324 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,400 but just happens to do the right one, like Hi, 325 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:23,119 my name's Chucky. 326 00:17:23,519 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just thought that was great. It was really 327 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,799 creepy because I only caught it up on Rewatch. I'm like, 328 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:30,839 oh my god, the doll actually looks right into Andy's 329 00:17:30,839 --> 00:17:32,480 eyes and says it, and I like how it. 330 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,799 Speaker 1: Always emphasizes the sounds of the blinks. 331 00:17:36,519 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 2: There's some great sound design in this, especially regarding the 332 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,000 doll and his movements. Let's get into some of the actors. 333 00:17:42,079 --> 00:17:44,359 We mentioned Catherine Hicks and Brad Dorf, but this does 334 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:51,000 also star Chris Sarandon, who portrays the male detective Michael Norris. 335 00:17:51,079 --> 00:17:54,319 Which is really funny because before I even watched this, 336 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,440 after so many years, I assumed the actor Michael Newry 337 00:17:59,039 --> 00:18:01,759 was the star of the because I always get Michael 338 00:18:01,799 --> 00:18:05,079 Newry and Chris Sarandon mixed up with good reason. Often 339 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,519 people would back in the eighties they'd look very similar 340 00:18:07,599 --> 00:18:09,839 to and they were in big movies. And we did 341 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,440 Flash Dance starring Michael Newry, we did The Hidden with 342 00:18:13,599 --> 00:18:16,279 Michael Newry and Chris Sarandon. Of course we covered in 343 00:18:16,319 --> 00:18:20,079 Prince's Bride and now Here he is in Child's Play 344 00:18:20,519 --> 00:18:22,839 and they purposely, as you find out in the trivia, 345 00:18:23,079 --> 00:18:26,720 the detective name Michael Norris, which is very close to 346 00:18:26,759 --> 00:18:29,319 the name Michael Murray. So I thought that was funny. 347 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,000 Good to see Chris Sarandon in this. How did you 348 00:18:32,039 --> 00:18:34,920 feel about his performance? I don't know if it was 349 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,480 the fault of the writing or he just wasn't given 350 00:18:37,519 --> 00:18:39,759 a whole lot to do in this. As a detective. 351 00:18:39,799 --> 00:18:41,519 I thought he was a pretty good cop in the 352 00:18:41,519 --> 00:18:44,039 opening sequence, but after that I was like, is he 353 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,000 a good detective and or is this a good performance? 354 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,400 I was mixed on Chris Sarandon in this. 355 00:18:49,839 --> 00:18:52,079 Speaker 1: I think what was kind of throwing me off was 356 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:52,720 his voice. 357 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, thanks, sure. 358 00:18:55,279 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: I think I'm so used to hearing him from Princess 359 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,200 Bride or even Fright Night. 360 00:19:00,079 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 2: Right I should have mentioned Fright Night, that's the obvious one. 361 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,319 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And I was like, is he trying to 362 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,839 do a Chicago accent or something. It didn't sound like 363 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,640 it was him, So that was kind of throwing me off. 364 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,759 One of my complaints is a whole Chucky attacks them 365 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,000 in the car scene I thought was very hokey. Okay, sure, 366 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,039 but overall I didn't have a prop He just played 367 00:19:22,039 --> 00:19:24,480 the I don't believe what you're saying, and do you 368 00:19:24,519 --> 00:19:27,319 find out it's too late kind of character, kind of 369 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:28,599 by the numbers, right. 370 00:19:28,759 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 2: I agree, he's just kind of like, what are you 371 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,599 talking about? This doll is not alive. That's ridiculous. And 372 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,960 then also he's rendered useless in the final scene. We'll 373 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,359 get into the ridiculous, but we'll probably talk Yeah, we 374 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,640 will definitely talk about the entire twenty minute final sequence. 375 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,200 So Catherine Hicks, I thought was great. She plays it 376 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,799 well the mom, the single, hard working mom who just 377 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:51,720 really wants to believe her son, but it's just too 378 00:19:51,799 --> 00:19:54,839 unbelievable until, of course she has to believe him and 379 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,960 turns out. Catherine Hicks won a Saturn Award for this. 380 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,519 I didn't know that Brad Dorf talked about him. He's awesome. 381 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,720 He's great in the opening sequence, but also his voice 382 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,079 is perfect for Chucky. I like what he does with that. 383 00:20:08,519 --> 00:20:11,319 But the star of the movie in the standout is obvious. 384 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,640 It's Chucky. It's the doll. I mean, yes, the voiceover 385 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,799 work is amazing, but it's the stunt work. It's the 386 00:20:16,839 --> 00:20:20,200 animatronic work, it's the makeup, it's the editing. It's fantastic. 387 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,720 And I couldn't believe Bill Band how well it holds 388 00:20:22,759 --> 00:20:26,079 up today. Chucky looks awesome in this. To me, I 389 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,720 go with it. The suspension of disbelief is there. For me. 390 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,880 It went to the point of me asking how did 391 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,000 they do that? It's really well done the way they 392 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,920 cut around it, so you're not trying to match Brad 393 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,440 Dorff's voice to the lip movement too much. You're not 394 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,759 like they cut around you just buy it. I thought overall, 395 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,240 the kill sequences or the action scenes were pretty well 396 00:20:48,319 --> 00:20:52,079 choreographed and well shot. So that's the best thing I 397 00:20:52,079 --> 00:20:54,240 can say about this movie is what they did with 398 00:20:54,279 --> 00:20:56,920 the doll and how they shot it. And the creep 399 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,599 factor is an eleven out of ten. On another positive note, 400 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,599 I'll say music I thought was pretty good in this, 401 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,240 so credit to Joseph Renzetti who went with a collection 402 00:21:06,319 --> 00:21:09,359 of electronic and orchestral elements versus going with a full 403 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,440 orchestral score, which is what the studio and I guess 404 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,079 Tom Holland wanted. Originally thought the music was pretty good, 405 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:15,759 but I want to go back to Chucky the Doll. 406 00:21:15,839 --> 00:21:19,039 Did you have any comments just on the effectiveness of 407 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,559 the good Guy's doll of the Chucky doll and how 408 00:21:21,599 --> 00:21:22,400 they used it. 409 00:21:22,519 --> 00:21:26,079 Speaker 1: I was really watching that just to see when do 410 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,519 they use what here? For me, I only pointed to 411 00:21:29,599 --> 00:21:32,680 two shots where I was like, oh, okay, it's obvious 412 00:21:33,079 --> 00:21:35,519 what they're doing here. That was it, and the rest 413 00:21:35,559 --> 00:21:38,119 of it was like, Wow, I'm in this is cool. 414 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,480 I love the animatronics or it's a puppet or if 415 00:21:41,519 --> 00:21:44,079 it was a person, it was like, no, this really works. 416 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,440 And even when they did the melted version, I was like, oh, yeah, 417 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,400 this is fucking cool too. I agree from nineteen eighty 418 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,480 eight holds up really well, and just even the evolution 419 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,039 of what you see in the beginning and what it 420 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:00,599 ends up because he's technically morphing into human. I was 421 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,799 just gonna say that I liked it all and there 422 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,079 was so many times it was shit, how did they 423 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,680 do that? I don't have CGI to erase stuff. 424 00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 425 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: So at yeah, a lot of fun stuff with that. 426 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll probably talk a little more about that 427 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,759 in our trivia segment. So those are the positives. It's 428 00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:20,640 the doll, the action sequences, the editing I thought was great. 429 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,960 So those are the strong points. The music I mentioned, 430 00:22:24,519 --> 00:22:28,839 but overall, regarding the story as an adult rewatching this today, 431 00:22:29,319 --> 00:22:31,200 I got some issues and I'm going to save most 432 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,119 of those for the complaint segment, but to give you 433 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,720 a preview, the writing isn't really strong in this. Some 434 00:22:37,799 --> 00:22:40,720 of the scenes were really oddly structured. I had to 435 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,559 rewatch a couple of scenes and I was like, wait, 436 00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:45,839 the dialogue's backwards here, or wait, we don't know that 437 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,400 information yet yet they spoke a line in reference to 438 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,759 that information. It was very odd how it was written 439 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,839 in spots, and I was like, we must have missed 440 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,200 something or there was a scene that was left on 441 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,839 the cutting room. I was confused. At moments, I knew 442 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,200 was going on, and I understood what they were trying 443 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,119 to relay as far as information and detail, but it 444 00:23:05,279 --> 00:23:08,559 just it was odd. I didn't mind like the tone 445 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,200 shifting between horror and dark comedy at times, at very 446 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:16,440 Freddy Krueger esque type quips you know that Chucky delivers throughout. 447 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,480 But I found when I watched it today that I 448 00:23:19,559 --> 00:23:22,039 wished it was even scarier, and I thought it could 449 00:23:22,039 --> 00:23:24,160 have been even creepier than it was, even though I 450 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,799 said creep factor eleven out of ten. Because the way 451 00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:29,319 they did shoot the doll, it was like Man, we 452 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,240 could probably could have done even more with this, So 453 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,640 I'm going back a little bit on what I said 454 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,240 that I'd love the running time of an hour and 455 00:23:36,279 --> 00:23:38,680 twenty seven minutes, but I could have used maybe maybe 456 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,799 ten more minutes. I don't know. I'm a little mixed 457 00:23:40,799 --> 00:23:42,440 on that. And I was going to ask you if 458 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,799 you saw the twenty nineteen reboot that they did. 459 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, I did, and I hardly remember any of it. 460 00:23:47,799 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 2: I watched a couple of clips and it's very modern, 461 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,319 high tech sort of take on it, and it was strange. 462 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,759 My overall take was just that the concept still freaks 463 00:23:57,759 --> 00:23:59,960 me out a bit because I still have these feelings 464 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,000 attached from when I was younger because of the supernatural aspect, 465 00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:06,079 and the effects are the real standout. It's just that 466 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,319 the writing and a story I wished were a little 467 00:24:08,319 --> 00:24:12,160 more polished and cleaned up. So overall, still fun, just 468 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,599 I found the story lacking. Gotcha, those are my initial thoughts, 469 00:24:15,759 --> 00:24:17,160 all right for me. 470 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: The idea of a toy, or in this case, a doll, 471 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,759 could be possessed by a serial killer, I mean, it's 472 00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:27,079 kind of observed, but it's also brilliant. I think as 473 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:28,920 a kid you would always be worried about what our 474 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,519 toys came alive, and this is the worst case scenario. 475 00:24:33,079 --> 00:24:36,599 I do like that they gloss over the whole voodoo 476 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,480 aspect of it, so they just give you enough, but 477 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,920 not too much where you start questioning everything. It only 478 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,039 gave me what I needed to know to understand how 479 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,000 Ray got into this doll and then what he has 480 00:24:50,079 --> 00:24:52,759 to do next. I didn't need anything else, and I 481 00:24:52,839 --> 00:24:55,759 wasn't questioning at that point. I'm like, Okay, he learned 482 00:24:55,759 --> 00:24:58,440 how to do this, put himself in a doll, and 483 00:24:58,519 --> 00:25:00,519 now he once to get out of the doll. He 484 00:25:00,599 --> 00:25:04,920 needs to go possess himself into the kid perfect no more, 485 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,799 no less awesome, and then how to kill Chucky at 486 00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:11,079 that point too, That's all I needed. That was fine, 487 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,160 but I totally agree with the actors were saying lines 488 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,720 about stuff they shouldn't have known at that point. That 489 00:25:17,839 --> 00:25:19,880 was the best way to put it. Yeah, I totally 490 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,880 agree with that. As for the performances, I really liked 491 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,359 Alex Vincent as Andy Good Call. There was a scene 492 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,359 when he first opens the doll and the doll talks him, 493 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,440 and the way he puts his hand to his mouth 494 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,079 he's excited. I remember seeing my kids do that that 495 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,519 trying to stifle a giggle, so I thought that was cute. 496 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,440 Brad doriff As his vocal performance as Chucky when he's 497 00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:49,359 screaming in the toy store. I mean, for me, I 498 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,720 mostly do remember him from Alien Resurrection and One Flu 499 00:25:53,759 --> 00:25:55,880 of the Cuckoo's Nest and One Flu Cucka's Nest. He's 500 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,279 just a really timid character. So to see this other 501 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,799 side of him, Yeah, that just got me jacked up. 502 00:26:01,839 --> 00:26:04,039 And I'm like, oh, wow, you really hear Chucky's voice 503 00:26:04,039 --> 00:26:06,279 in this, and it's great how it carries over to 504 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,160 Chucky itself throughout the film. And I don't think I 505 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,599 can say anything else more with the special effects, in fact, 506 00:26:12,599 --> 00:26:15,160 you don't really have CGI back then, and all the 507 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,519 stuff they were able to do with Chucky, I was 508 00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:20,519 super impressed with. It's a well crafted film. I think 509 00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:22,160 it works. But I do agree with you there are 510 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:27,559 some story elements that it's always characters' choices that always 511 00:26:27,559 --> 00:26:30,160 just drive me up the wall when they don't make sense, 512 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,039 And there's right, that's it. 513 00:26:32,079 --> 00:26:35,079 Speaker 2: There's a little bit of this throughout. I wrote that 514 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:35,759 down as well. 515 00:26:35,839 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and That's what drives me up the wall. I'm like, 516 00:26:38,039 --> 00:26:40,160 why are you doing this? It doesn't make any sense. 517 00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:42,279 But that's yeah, that's my initial thoughts. I don't think 518 00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:44,240 I have that much more to add than what you had. 519 00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 2: I'll yeah, and I'll just reinforce the fact that Alex 520 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,920 Vincent was wonderful as the child as Andy, Yeah, I'm 521 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,880 glad you called that out, because he's fantastic, He's very 522 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:55,599 he's natural. 523 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's the two things you really need to work. 524 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,480 The kid has to work and the doll have to work, 525 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:01,559 and both of them. 526 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,279 Speaker 2: You got to sympathize with him, right or empathize? Yeah, Andy, 527 00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:06,759 for sure, you have to connect. 528 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: So the fact they both work and it comes off, 529 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,400 that's what makes the movie go. All right, let's move 530 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,279 on to favorite scenes or moments. What are some favorite 531 00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:18,440 scenes or moments you have from Child's Play. 532 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 2: You're gonna be shocked, but I'm gonna start from the beginning. 533 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,599 I'm gonna start with the opening sequence. We just go 534 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,039 right after the the opening production shingles that we just 535 00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:30,880 get right into this movie, and I love it. We 536 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,279 can see what we assume is a cop chasing a 537 00:27:34,319 --> 00:27:37,359 bad guy down an alley. Little trivia here. I don't 538 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:38,920 know if you caught this, and I hope I'm not 539 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,559 stepping on one of your trivia bites. But there was 540 00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:45,119 a deleted scene where Chris Sarandon as the detective, as 541 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,759 the cop in this opening sequence, was kind of luring 542 00:27:49,079 --> 00:27:51,160 the strangler in. He was dressed as a woman. 543 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: Oh, yes, that's right. I did read that, and then 544 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,839 it made sense. It was tossing some clothes away when 545 00:27:57,839 --> 00:28:01,319 he was chasing, like he's throwing a dress. Yeah, very 546 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,480 opening shot. You see Chris Sarandon in the background chasing 547 00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:08,279 the strangler and he's tossing a dress off to the side. 548 00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:11,319 Speaker 2: That's why it is, because he was he was in 549 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,559 costume trying to bait the strangler. So I thought that 550 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,160 was cool. So we see cop chasing bad guy in 551 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,119 the cop yells i've got the strangler. Wabash and Van Buren, 552 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,799 those streets in Chicago. We know we're downtown Chicago. And 553 00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:27,839 then we see another cop in an unmarked squad car 554 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,319 turn the siren light on and well, our bad guy, 555 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,640 the Strangler, turns a corner. He and the cop change 556 00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:37,519 exchanged some gunfire. We see the strangler approaching a parked 557 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,640 van off to the side, but before he gets to 558 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,440 the van, our supposed good guy cop shoots the strangler 559 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,160 in the leg. He goes down, and the guy in 560 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,920 the escape van, well, he panics and he takes off. Meanwhile, 561 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,319 our bad guy, the strangler is yelling after him and 562 00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:55,680 he says, Eddie, don't leave me. Oh god no. Another 563 00:28:55,759 --> 00:28:59,640 great moment from Brad Dorif. He sounds like he's really 564 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,240 scared in that moment. Actually, I was like, wow, that's 565 00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:06,200 a great line delivery. So meanwhile we have our detective 566 00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:08,400 or cop telling his buddy in the squad car to 567 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,599 go after the van, and now we're just focusing on 568 00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:15,519 cop and bad guy. Cop continues the pursuit of the strangler. 569 00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:18,000 The strangler hobbles, having been shot in the leg, over 570 00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:21,279 to a toy store and he shoots the lock off 571 00:29:21,319 --> 00:29:25,119 of the door, goes inside, and now we have our 572 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,720 detective played by Chris Randon, following him into the toy store, 573 00:29:28,839 --> 00:29:32,440 gun drawn, of course. And this is great because this 574 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,680 is when we see the entire uh it's actually like 575 00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:41,000 two rows of stacked good guy's dolls boxes with the 576 00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:44,240 dolls inside, and that's when the title credit comes up 577 00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:47,680 Child's play and I thought that was smart. That's really cool. 578 00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:51,039 Our detective is in pursuit inside the toy store. While 579 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:54,440 they're inside, the detective manages to shoot the strangler in 580 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,400 the chest shoulder area. The strangler knows he's dying and 581 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,279 he just yells out, this is the moment you were 582 00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:03,079 referring to Bill ban and it's wonderful from Brad Dorif. 583 00:30:03,359 --> 00:30:06,039 He changes his voice because you see him and he's 584 00:30:06,079 --> 00:30:08,319 like looking down at his gun shot wound. He's like, 585 00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:10,799 I'm dying. I'm dying. And then all of a sudden, 586 00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:13,920 he changes his tone and he yells out. He's like, 587 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,240 you hear this, you son of a bitch. I'm gonna 588 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,799 get you for it. I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna 589 00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:21,079 get you, and I'm gonna get Eddie no matter what. 590 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,319 And it's just awesome. 591 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:24,079 Speaker 1: Yeah. 592 00:30:24,119 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 2: So the strangler now is stumbling around, he is dying, 593 00:30:28,599 --> 00:30:31,160 and he's saying to himself, I gotta find somebody. I 594 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,119 gotta find somebody. He finally falls over, grabbing and knocking 595 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,279 over a bunch of good guys doll boxes. He looks 596 00:30:38,319 --> 00:30:39,960 into the eyes of the doll inside of one of 597 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,440 the boxes, takes it out, puts his bloody hands on it, 598 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,720 and begins an incantation saying, give me the power I 599 00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:48,079 beg of you. And as he begins chanting, suddenly the 600 00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:51,200 clouds in the sky above the toy store start to 601 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,119 gather lightning and thunder begin to crash, and as his 602 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,839 chanting gets louder and louder, finally the lightning crashes through 603 00:30:57,839 --> 00:31:00,599 the glass ceiling of the store and there's a giant explosion. 604 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:06,119 Love the stunt where the detective is blown backward through 605 00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:09,720 the store and we get this great storefront glass explosion. 606 00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:14,160 It's a wonderful explosion. And then finally the detective walks 607 00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:18,200 through the store and sees that the strangler is now dead. 608 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,240 And the final shot of this opening scene is on 609 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,400 the eyes of the good guy doll. It's just a 610 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,519 great way to open the movie. I love the fact, 611 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,799 Bill that you'd already pointed out that we don't dwell 612 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,440 too much on the voodoo aspect in this movie. You 613 00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:36,079 just get it. You're like, Okay, great setup. I know 614 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,880 exactly where we're going. I know who the good guy is, 615 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,519 I know who the bad guy is. I know that 616 00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:42,279 the doll is going to be possessed by the bad 617 00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:44,839 guy spirit. It's all the information you need to get 618 00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:48,960 this thing going. And there's some good action. It's well shot, 619 00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:52,039 and the stunts are great and the explosion is great. 620 00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:54,920 What more do you want from an eighties horror movie 621 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,920 to get kicked off? The choice to do the opening 622 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,440 credits kind of subtly or softly throughout that opening scene works. 623 00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:04,240 I was a little mixed out, but I think it 624 00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:05,559 does work. Yeah. 625 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,599 Speaker 1: I did like that they did that, and Brad doorf 626 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,240 in that too, because I do like the scene when 627 00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:15,359 he looks down at himself and says I'm dying, and 628 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,759 he says in a way where you almost sympathize with them, 629 00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:19,599 but you're like, wait a second, he's a serial killer. 630 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,119 I shouldn't be sympathizing. And then he just reverses course 631 00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:27,960 and starts screaming at detecting Norris that I'm I'm gonna 632 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,039 get you, and that voice does a one eighty. Yeah, 633 00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:33,359 he's only in the film for three minutes, but it 634 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:34,440 does a great job with it. 635 00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:37,279 Speaker 2: You believe it. Yes, I love that. When he yells, 636 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,279 you really believe like he is he means it. It's 637 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:42,079 very dark. 638 00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:45,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's good because they when and I'll get 639 00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:48,400 into it a little bit, when Chucky does his first 640 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,160 freak out, it does almost mimic Brad Dorf right in 641 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,440 the beginning with him screaming, I'm like, wow, they really 642 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,960 captured that on an animatronic donef that was pretty good. 643 00:32:57,079 --> 00:33:01,839 Speaker 2: What he says is nasty, like he's an nasty guy. No. Yeah, 644 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,480 that's the aspect of this character that you really buy 645 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,200 thanks to his performance, is that he's a bad dude. Yes, 646 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,279 He's just murderous and violent and that's it simple. Yeah. 647 00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: So me, most of my favorite scenes are moments, are 648 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:20,279 just moments, And the first one for me is Karen, 649 00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:23,079 who played by Katherine Hicks, ends up buying the doll 650 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,440 that's possessed to get to her son Andy. At this point, 651 00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:30,119 Chucky's been doing some crazy stuff and he does find 652 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,920 his ex partner Eddie, who drove off in the beginning, 653 00:33:33,079 --> 00:33:36,119 and kills him. So now Andy's in the police station 654 00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:41,319 explaining to an officer what had happened to his quote 655 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,400 unquote aunt Maggie, who was the first person that dies 656 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,640 by Chucky, and the mom comes into the police station 657 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,559 and then Detective Norris is in there. The mom's telling Andy, look, 658 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,039 they're gonna take you away if you don't tell us 659 00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:58,440 what happened. And Andy's like, no, it was Chucky. And 660 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,519 he told me if I were to tell you that 661 00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:02,839 he was alive, that he would kill me. And then 662 00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:07,119 he looks at Chucky and begging him to speak to 663 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,719 prove that Andy's telling the truth, and of course, Chuck, 664 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,480 he's not doing anything. And then he goes up to 665 00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:15,519 it and he's literally face to face with it, and 666 00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:18,039 he's almost streaming at it, and then he's like punching 667 00:34:18,039 --> 00:34:20,599 it like he feels so betrayed. And it was one 668 00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:22,719 of those I'm watching the scene and part of me 669 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,119 is chuckling because I just think it's funny, but the 670 00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:28,639 other half of me feels so sorry for this kid, 671 00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,079 because here it is, here's a kid telling the truth 672 00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:33,920 and no one believes him. And that's the one thing 673 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,840 you don't want. You want to believe what your kids 674 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,840 are telling you is true, but it's so impossible to 675 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,599 believe it. It makes sense why they're not believing him. 676 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,119 I just really liked that moment. It was just pulling 677 00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:46,360 on the hard strings and making me laugh at the 678 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:46,880 same time. 679 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,079 Speaker 2: It's kind of like a story device that always is 680 00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:53,639 effective when you have a kid in a situation like 681 00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:56,480 that that isn't has experienced or seen something, and we've 682 00:34:56,519 --> 00:34:58,679 seen it so many times, especially like in eighties movies, 683 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,159 of course, from the kid's point of view, whether it's 684 00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:05,840 like et or something where something supernatural, extraordinary is happening, 685 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,199 and the adults, of course, being somewhat either jaded or 686 00:35:10,519 --> 00:35:13,719 they're blinded for someone reason, won't believe the child. And 687 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,119 that's all you want is for the kid to somehow 688 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,679 explain it to the adult. But yeah, it's tough. It's tough. 689 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,760 It is somewhat humorous as I kind of laugh a 690 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,920 little bit on the inside when Andy just punches Chunky 691 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:34,840 right in his stomach trying to get it. Yeah, it's stuff, man. Yeah. 692 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,280 So what do you got next for scenes or a moment? Yeah? 693 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,440 So my next favorite scene, I'm just calling no batteries. 694 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:47,440 So yes. At this point, Maggie unfortunately got smacked in 695 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,719 the forehead with a small hammeron went flying through a window, 696 00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:56,039 so she's been killed and Charles Lee Ray's accomplice Eddie, 697 00:35:56,039 --> 00:35:58,400 has been blown up in the squatter's house, and we 698 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,159 know Chucky, the doll committed both, but the blame's falling 699 00:36:01,199 --> 00:36:04,320 on Andy. That's what Bill was just talking about Andy 700 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,079 being the police precinct and being questioned. Now Karen has 701 00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:11,480 shown up at the police station, and it's determined that 702 00:36:11,559 --> 00:36:13,360 Andy is going to spend a couple of days in 703 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:19,159 a psychiatric hospital. So now Karen alone comes home to 704 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,639 her Chicago apartment with the doll Chucky, and she sits 705 00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:25,880 on the couch with it. I love the silence in 706 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,039 the scene really effective. She's exhausted. She puts the doll 707 00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:32,800 on her lap at first, then she sits Chucky on 708 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,280 the coffee table and she just looks at him and says, 709 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,239 we'll say something, a little bastard, say something, damn it. 710 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,400 And then he just goes Hi, I like to be hugged. 711 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,000 And she realizes, well, she's kind of falling prey to 712 00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:48,960 Andy's story that he's supposedly made up, and she's feeling 713 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,920 a little crazy herself. And I love this shot when 714 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,039 she gets up and goes into the kitchen to get 715 00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:56,639 a glass of water and you just see Chucky sitting 716 00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,159 motionless behind her on the coffee table in the background, 717 00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:02,840 and I'm like, Wow, did they miss a bet here? 718 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,320 Should he have turned his head a little bit? But 719 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,320 super creepy with him just sitting there in the background. 720 00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:11,159 You just feel maybe it's more effective because he doesn't 721 00:37:11,159 --> 00:37:13,480 do anything. That's the point. You kind of think he's 722 00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:16,320 about to do something there, but he doesn't. Karen looks 723 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,400 over in the corner of the kitchen at the good 724 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,840 guy's box that Chucky came in. She picks it up, 725 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,039 She rattles it a little bit, and suddenly a pair 726 00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:28,719 of packaged batteries falls out of the box, and she's like, 727 00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:31,159 dumbfound it. She looks at the box and it reads 728 00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:34,119 batteries included, and she freaks out and drops the box 729 00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:36,559 because she realizes, wait a minute, the batteries are still 730 00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:39,599 in the box. Then okay, So she goes over to 731 00:37:39,679 --> 00:37:41,880 Chucky on the coffee table, slowly approaches him, picks him up, 732 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,480 turns him over, opens the battery compartment and it's empty. 733 00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:49,599 Great scare moment here, because immediately his head spins around 734 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,239 and he says, Hi, I'm Chucky. Want to play? She 735 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,079 immediately drops him. He rolls under the couch. Super creepy 736 00:37:55,079 --> 00:37:56,960 moment when she gets down and looks under the couch 737 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,880 and pulls him out. I would never do that. I 738 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,360 don't have the balls to do that. I'd run out 739 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,519 of the apartment, super brave m She shakes him, and 740 00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:07,800 now he's gone silent again. And now she's pissed, and 741 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,159 she's like, talk to me, come on, talk, I said 742 00:38:10,199 --> 00:38:12,440 talk to me, Dan, It all right, I'll make you talk. 743 00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:16,639 She lights the fireplace, holds up Chucky and says, I 744 00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:18,320 said talk to me, or else I'm gonna throw you 745 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,239 in the fire. And all of a sudden, it's great 746 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,000 because it cuts back to his face and it just changes. 747 00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:27,639 Chucky's face curls like and snarls, and he just says, 748 00:38:27,679 --> 00:38:29,800 you stupid bitch, you filthy slut. I'll teach you to 749 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,920 fuck with me. And they tussle. Chucky and Karen tussle. 750 00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:36,199 He ends up biting her on the forearm and runs 751 00:38:36,199 --> 00:38:39,400 out of the apartment, takes the elevator down, and escapes, 752 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,079 all while Karen is chasing him. It's a wonderful sequence. 753 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:48,480 It's freaking freaky when he finally reveals himself, when he 754 00:38:48,679 --> 00:38:51,920 goes full Charles Lee ray on her, because he says 755 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,159 such like gross things right off the bat you stupid bitch, 756 00:38:55,199 --> 00:38:57,880 you filthy slug. Like it's like, whoa, this is one 757 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,960 angry doll. The way is face changes and the biting, 758 00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:02,639 it's great. 759 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 1: I like that scene, and I don't like that scene. Okay, 760 00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:08,199 I just picked out two moments. The one, of course, 761 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,320 is the reveal of the batteries. I thought that was cool. 762 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,760 And she opens it up and sees no batteries in there, 763 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,159 and then right away Chucky turns and frightens her, so 764 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,599 she drops it. And I like when she threatens Chucky 765 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,519 and then Chucky goes all berserk on her, and I'm like, oh, 766 00:39:24,519 --> 00:39:28,199 that's really cool. But I guess for me, in a way, 767 00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:30,280 the scene doesn't make sense because all right, I'm gonna 768 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,480 bring the doll home and then I'm start cursing at 769 00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:35,079 it to get it to talk. That doesn't make any sense. 770 00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:37,800 And then the fact that she's automatically is gonna threaten 771 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:38,679 and throw it in the fire. 772 00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 773 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,559 Speaker 1: I don't think I would think of doing that. I 774 00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:43,400 think I would have been like you, I either would 775 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,440 I know exactly what. Either would have ran out or 776 00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:49,440 I wouldn't have done that. And that's what was kind 777 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,480 of like that doesn't make any sense to me. But 778 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,199 the result of it of him going berserker and calling 779 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,199 her a bitch and slut and then biting her and 780 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,880 running off, I do like that moment, and I agree 781 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,960 to I don't think Chucky should have moved when he 782 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,840 was sitting there. I think it was more creepy because 783 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,920 as an audience, you're just so focused on gonna move, 784 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,840 what's he gonna do? Not doing anything with that. He's 785 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,760 really biding his time. I think in the inside you 786 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,599 want him to move, but I think they make the 787 00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:17,880 right call by not having him move. 788 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 2: Right. You bring up a really interesting and great point 789 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,599 that I totally agree with when I talk about the 790 00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:29,039 fact that this movie moves very quickly. Sometimes it's to 791 00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:33,599 its credit and sometimes to its detriment, because the dialogue 792 00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:36,039 moves quickly, like doesn't make sense, or a character choice 793 00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:38,960 doesn't make sense because they're going they're just getting right 794 00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:41,639 to it. Because I totally agree with you with the 795 00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:45,880 fact that it seems as though she is already believing 796 00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:49,079 Andy like her son too quickly when she sits down 797 00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:50,840 with the doll and starts talking to it, as if 798 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,159 it's like I don't think she would do that either. 799 00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:57,039 I think she would just ignore the doll for a while, correct, 800 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,480 because there's no way after the police precinct sequence that 801 00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:02,519 she just goes homes and all of a sudden, I believe, 802 00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:05,000 my son, I believe that this doll is alive. The 803 00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:08,400 turn happens way too quickly. That's the thing about this 804 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,599 movie is like they just are getting to it, if 805 00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:13,039 you know what I mean, and it to its detriment, 806 00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:15,440 it takes a little bit out of the believability because 807 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,920 you're like, no way she would already buy the fact 808 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,199 that this doll is alive. Now there's a little moment 809 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,360 where she kind of laughs at herself after the doll 810 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,880 doesn't react to her. But still it moves a little 811 00:41:26,159 --> 00:41:27,480 a little fast, right. 812 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,760 Speaker 1: And granted I understand why they have to introduce the 813 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,199 fireplace because it comes into play later, but sure, it 814 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,519 actually would have been scarier if she lifts the couch 815 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,920 and then the doll's just sitting there and then she 816 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,000 goes to grab it and that's when it goes all persirker. 817 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,199 That to me would have been more frightening. 818 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:43,559 Speaker 2: Yeah. 819 00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: I probably would have jumped, thinking it's not doing anything, 820 00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:47,719 and then she's grabbing it, and she's pulling it out 821 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,119 and she looks at it, and then it just and 822 00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:53,039 then jumps on her from there. Instead of her setting 823 00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:56,000 the fireplace and then holding it up and threatening it. 824 00:41:56,119 --> 00:41:58,199 I love the shot how she turns into the camera 825 00:41:58,239 --> 00:41:59,480 with it, like you better say it's. 826 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:00,599 Speaker 2: Up right cool shut. 827 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:05,079 Speaker 1: I would have probably introduced the fireplace a different way. 828 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,760 Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, there's some interesting choices here. I'm of two 829 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,800 minds on a lot of things within this movie. It's creepy, 830 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,079 but then it is a little silly when they're tussling, right, 831 00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:17,000 she's you know, has to credit to create Katherine Hicks. 832 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,519 She's basically wrestling, you know, with a doll. Right, And 833 00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:22,400 then I'm thinking, also just being a little over analytical, going, 834 00:42:22,559 --> 00:42:24,679 wait a minute, isn't he supposed to be the strangler? 835 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,559 So I'm assuming he got that moniker from strangling women. 836 00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:30,599 He's a serial killer. But now he's in this doll's 837 00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:32,920 body and his hands are too small so he can't 838 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,960 strangle her, so he just bites her. And I was like, 839 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,400 maybe he's they should give him him the moniker the bier. 840 00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:41,559 Speaker 1: All right, what do you got next? 841 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 2: So my final favorite scene is Chucky's visit with John 842 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,960 aka Doctor Death. At this point in the film, we 843 00:42:50,039 --> 00:42:53,559 know that Karen goes to uh Charles Lee Ray's home. 844 00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:55,960 Detective Mike shows up, and they figure out that Chucky's 845 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,880 probably going to see this John character, with whom he 846 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,199 had some relationship with and regards to the voodoo rituals, 847 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:07,000 he was either practicing rehearsing these life after death rituals 848 00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:13,440 that surrounded this mighty dumbala character. So cut to John's apartment, 849 00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:17,320 this African American gentleman who deals with the occult in 850 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,519 this voodoo aspect, and he's like going to the fridge, 851 00:43:20,559 --> 00:43:22,360 and all of a sudden, he hears a voice from 852 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,760 behind him and it's hello John over here, and John 853 00:43:27,199 --> 00:43:29,800 looks over and there's Chucky, who seems to have climbed 854 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,079 in through the windows, like standing near the kitchen sink, 855 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,920 and he's like, Hi, that's great. And this is where 856 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,440 I chose the scene mainly because you get to see 857 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,000 Chucky in all his glory. He's just standing there. You 858 00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:45,840 see him thing and he's moving and talking and you're like, damn, 859 00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:49,079 I'm actually buying this. Of course, Brad Dorf's voice is 860 00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:51,880 great and he's like it's me, Chucky, what do you think? 861 00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:55,639 And of course John freaks out and there's some information 862 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,239 that's revealed here. Chucky is upset. He's like, I didn't 863 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,000 think I could get hurt, but last night I got 864 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,119 shot and you know something, it hurt. It hurt like 865 00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:05,800 a son of a bitch, human blood. Why is that? John? 866 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,719 And he explains to Chucky, you're turning human and he's like, what. 867 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,079 The more time you spend in that body, the more 868 00:44:12,159 --> 00:44:13,920 human you become. He's like, you mean I got to 869 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,360 live with the rest of my life in this body. 870 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,639 No fucking way you got me into this, John, You 871 00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:21,199 get me out. And John says, hell no, you're an abomination. 872 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,440 And John goes to call the cops, but Chucky all 873 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,800 of a sudden walks into the living room with a 874 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,920 voodoo doll, and this is gnarly. He's like, John, you're 875 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,920 not calling the cops because I've got your mojo here, 876 00:44:35,639 --> 00:44:38,400 and he raises the doll and he snaps one of 877 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,360 the legs on the voodoo doll, and of course John's 878 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,840 leg then breaks like backwards. It's gross. You hear the 879 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,039 crunching and the cracking. It's really gnarly. Then Chucky says, hey, 880 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:49,599 I want to know how to get out of this 881 00:44:49,639 --> 00:44:52,280 body of this doll, and John says no, So Chucky 882 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,639 breaks the doll's arm, and of course John's arm breaks. 883 00:44:56,159 --> 00:45:00,480 Then Chucky threatens to stab the voodoo doll with an knife, 884 00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:03,000 and then John explains to him, okay, okay, I'll tell you. 885 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,039 You have to transfer your soul into the first human 886 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,159 being you revealed your true self too. So Chucky realizes 887 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,800 the first person he revealed himself to was Andy. He's like, 888 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,760 I don't believe it. I'm going to be six years 889 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,599 old again. Well, John, it's been fun, but I gotta go. 890 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,480 I have a date with a six year old boy, 891 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,920 and you have a date with death. And then he 892 00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:26,800 stabs the voodoo doll and we see John Groening has 893 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,599 probably been stabbed somehow internally through the voodoo. So it's 894 00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:34,360 a creepy scene. I just like how great Chucky looks 895 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,440 in this where he's doing a whole walk and talk 896 00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:39,719 sort of thing in the scene, and the voodoo doll 897 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,800 stuff always effective in every movie I've ever seen. I 898 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,079 hate it. It's creepy. I don't know what's going on 899 00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:46,960 with it. I need to do some research on that 900 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,280 where that all came from. But you know what's going 901 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,000 to happen, and what happens to John is terrible, and 902 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,679 that's great for a horror movie. It's scary. I thought 903 00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:55,679 it was an effective scene. 904 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I could call and I had for a moment 905 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,920 just the snapping of the limbs like ooh ooh, and 906 00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:04,280 just how easy he could do that, just with the doll, 907 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,440 just snap and he just collapses that snat breaks his 908 00:46:07,559 --> 00:46:10,000 arm and then just stabs the don walks off. Those 909 00:46:10,039 --> 00:46:12,079 are the two moments from that scene that really stood out, 910 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,159 And for me, my last two moments deal with Andy 911 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,639 in the psychiatric ward. And the first one is Andy's 912 00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:21,880 looking out the window of his room and he sees 913 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,159 Chucky out there and sees that Chuck he's making his 914 00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,559 way to him because Andy knows he's in trouble, and 915 00:46:27,639 --> 00:46:31,280 he starts calling out for help and the doctor appears 916 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,760 and the doctor's like, oh, we'll protective, we're protecting, and 917 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,159 he's like, no, Chucky's coming for me. And he's at 918 00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:40,760 that all is lost moment, and I feel so bad 919 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,440 for him, and he turns and just slumps down behind 920 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,360 the door and just starts crying and I'm like, oh, man, 921 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,519 he does a good job on that. Did you have 922 00:46:48,559 --> 00:46:52,639 that trivia later about that Jason that Tom Hollands supposedly stepped. 923 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,320 Speaker 2: Over the line. Oh, it's funny because I mentioned et 924 00:46:54,559 --> 00:46:56,920 earlier as well. Right. And you hear the behind the 925 00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,960 scenes stories about how Steven Spielberg was great directing chill 926 00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:02,320 learn how he got Drew Barrymore to get to an 927 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,199 emotional level and deliver the tears, et cetera. And in 928 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:10,119 this particular scenario, supposedly Tom Holland was working with Alex 929 00:47:10,199 --> 00:47:14,119 Vincent playing Andy and told him to think of something sad. 930 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,199 But there's something in the trivia where there's little controversy 931 00:47:18,199 --> 00:47:21,119 as to what he actually said to Alex to get 932 00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:23,840 him to cry, and it was something kind of dark, 933 00:47:24,199 --> 00:47:28,480 something about imagine your parents dying or being killed or 934 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,519 something like that. And it worked. 935 00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:34,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, it does work. I feel terrible for him. 936 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,320 Speaker 2: It's a great moment to call out Bill. He is 937 00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,440 scared as hell in that sequence, and it seems like 938 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,079 whatever the actor was going through, he was really scared 939 00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:46,880 for his life. He was feeling it or extremely sad 940 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,440 because the tears are rolling and it's totally believable. 941 00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:52,519 Speaker 1: And then the other moment is when Chucky does find 942 00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:55,719 his way to Andy's room and we just have the 943 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,639 scene of Chucky walking across the room and hopping him 944 00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:00,760 to the bed, thinking and he's in there and he's 945 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,000 gonna kill him. I was like, that looked really cool. 946 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:04,280 That really worked for me. 947 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:04,840 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 948 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:09,159 Speaker 1: I'm glad Andy was able to get away, So that 949 00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:09,880 was a good moment. 950 00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:11,519 Speaker 2: I was happy for Andy as well. 951 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,280 Speaker 1: All Right, so it's time to move on to Swiss 952 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,119 Cheese and Complaints Apartment and what do we call it 953 00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:20,880 Swiss Cheese? 954 00:48:21,199 --> 00:48:24,000 Speaker 2: Because although this movie is delicious, it does have those 955 00:48:24,119 --> 00:48:25,320 kitchen knife stab holes. 956 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,159 Speaker 1: Yes, and it doesn't have those kitchen knife stab holes. 957 00:48:28,199 --> 00:48:31,119 We just filed the complaint with the Complaints Apartment. I'm 958 00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:32,760 sure we have a little bit with this one. What 959 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,320 do you got, Jason, Swiss Cheese, got some complaints? Which 960 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:35,960 way do you want to go? 961 00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:37,559 Speaker 2: You're gonna have to cut me off. I've got a 962 00:48:37,559 --> 00:48:40,719 few things here. I always got to ask, as you know, 963 00:48:41,159 --> 00:48:44,400 how many bullets did they shoot? How many did they fire? 964 00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:46,960 Because it always feels like in these eighties movies, there's 965 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,199 no way he had that many bullets in that gun. 966 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,519 I had to count in that opening sequence, which could 967 00:48:51,519 --> 00:48:54,480 be one of my favorite scenes. The strangler is using 968 00:48:54,519 --> 00:48:57,599 a small revolver and should be only six bullets, but 969 00:48:57,639 --> 00:49:00,280 of course he shot seven. Didn't go way over the 970 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,039 top with it. Appreciative of that, but I always get 971 00:49:03,159 --> 00:49:05,159 nitpicky with that kind of thing. You're going to run 972 00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:07,280 out of bullets eventually, and that's going to be a problem, 973 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:08,559 but they just keep shooting. 974 00:49:08,679 --> 00:49:10,440 Speaker 1: Well, that's funny because mine's at the end with the 975 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:15,119 bullets because Karen unloads complete his gun, then runs back 976 00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:18,679 into the room, drops it next to Norris, and then 977 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,519 CHUCKI comes back alive. He pulls the gun then out 978 00:49:21,519 --> 00:49:23,639 of his holster. I'm like, wait, how many guns is 979 00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,679 Officer Nora's carrying and that gun's full and then ends 980 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:28,920 up killing Chucky at the end. 981 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,480 Speaker 2: The gun stuff in that last sequence gets a little confusing, Yeah, 982 00:49:32,519 --> 00:49:34,639 for sure, that's I wrote that down as well. 983 00:49:34,679 --> 00:49:37,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, because we see her literally empty it, empty it 984 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,400 because she's there click click click click, and then drops 985 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,239 it next to him. I'm intently watching, and I know 986 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,239 they cut away to the other officer to pick up 987 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,719 the doll, but he's tending to a wound. I'm sure 988 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,280 he's not putting new bullets in his gun at that point. Yeah, 989 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,280 he's in a lot of pain. So that didn't make 990 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:52,960 any sense to me. 991 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. I was even confused in the middle of the 992 00:49:55,519 --> 00:49:59,679 sequence when I was like, wait, when does Karen actually 993 00:49:59,679 --> 00:50:01,880 get the detective's gun? When you get when does she 994 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,440 get Michael's gun to shoot the burnt up Chucky in 995 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,800 the hallway, you don't actually see or pick it up, 996 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,800 but she does go by the detective in the what 997 00:50:11,079 --> 00:50:14,119 you would call the Shining sequence, which is an homage 998 00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:18,239 to the Shining with Chucky's stabbing the bathroom door and 999 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,920 she's screaming on the other side because at that point, 1000 00:50:21,039 --> 00:50:25,440 Detective Michael he's been knocked out and she is weaponless. 1001 00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:28,039 At that moment. She grabs Andy and runs into the hallway. 1002 00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:30,159 I'm like, and then she turned, whips around, turns around. 1003 00:50:30,159 --> 00:50:32,719 She has a gun and she starts blowing limbs off 1004 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,599 of the burnt up Chucky And I'm like, wait, where, 1005 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,239 what how did you get that gun? But she grabs it. 1006 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,599 At some points there's stuff that gets Yeah, that whole 1007 00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,039 ending doesn't make sense because so he gives her a 1008 00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:46,800 gun correct the ankle. He shoots it once right, and 1009 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,360 then it gets jammed right, and then she's stupid enough 1010 00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,320 to drop it. Because Chuckie knows his jam he probably 1011 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:53,840 knows how to unjam it too, so he just left 1012 00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,519 him a gun, so I'm glad he didn't pick it up. 1013 00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:59,079 And then Norris is knocked out. He comes too. Then 1014 00:50:59,079 --> 00:51:02,440 we have Burnt Chuck attacking them, and then burn Chucky 1015 00:51:02,519 --> 00:51:04,599 comes into the bedroom where all three of them are 1016 00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:07,760 at but only Karen and Andy run out of the room. 1017 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,519 You barely see Norris's leg, so you kind of know 1018 00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:12,559 he's still in the room. Like Chucky, why don't you 1019 00:51:12,599 --> 00:51:14,519 just do a quick stab stab and then move on? 1020 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,320 Speaker 1: So we don't know how Karen gets the other gun, 1021 00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:18,920 and then all of a sudden it's in the hallway 1022 00:51:19,159 --> 00:51:22,760 and she empties it. And then somehow Norris has a 1023 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,519 third gun and uses that to shoot Chuck at the end. 1024 00:51:25,519 --> 00:51:28,599 Speaker 2: Or is it the same gun magically reloaded right? It 1025 00:51:28,639 --> 00:51:32,159 doesn't make any sense. Also, the detective he gets knocked 1026 00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:35,320 out by Chucky with the baseball bat. Fine, so he's 1027 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,719 out for the scene. But then in the middle of 1028 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,400 this whole ending sequence he comes too correct. Right after 1029 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,239 they burn Chucky, he comes back to like so he 1030 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,360 sits up, but then he's not in the rest of 1031 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,159 the scene until the very end. So I was like, 1032 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,800 why isn't he helping out? And I rewatched it and 1033 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,920 I was like, there's one quick shot where it seems 1034 00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,960 as though he passed out again, because, like you mentioned, 1035 00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,000 you see Karen and Andy running around after the burn Chucky, 1036 00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:02,920 the you know stuff, and it's like, where's the detective Now? 1037 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,960 I thought he woke up. I thought he regained consciousness, 1038 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,360 but apparently he passed out again in the middle of 1039 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,920 the scene because he's not effective at all until the 1040 00:52:11,039 --> 00:52:13,880 end when he's firing a loaded gun all of a sudden, 1041 00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:14,719 very confusing. 1042 00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,480 Speaker 1: Another one for me, Where the hell are all the 1043 00:52:17,519 --> 00:52:20,119 other police? When Detective Norris calls in that he is 1044 00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:22,960 pursuing Charles leed Ray. I mean, he's known as the 1045 00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:25,000 Lake Shore Strangler, so he's got to be if you 1046 00:52:25,039 --> 00:52:27,199 got a nickname, you're a big deal. And all they 1047 00:52:27,199 --> 00:52:31,239 have is one cop car and goes off with the van. 1048 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,000 We're in Chicago, We're in a major metropolitan There should 1049 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,760 have been police cars showing up at some point in 1050 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,000 that scene, even if we just hear him outside twousand percent, 1051 00:52:41,199 --> 00:52:43,920 where is everybody? It's just one on one with the 1052 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:44,960 Lake Shore strangler. 1053 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,639 Speaker 2: Hell no, Yeah, where's the cavalry? Where's the backup? The 1054 00:52:48,679 --> 00:52:50,840 cops should have been right there on the scene for sure. 1055 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,039 Great point that leads then to my next complaint because 1056 00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,119 after that scene, we see this giant explosion, good guy's 1057 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,320 dolls flying everywhere. We know that Chucky was taken out 1058 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,920 of the box, we know that Charles Lee Ray put 1059 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,400 his bloody hands all over him. And then minutes later 1060 00:53:08,159 --> 00:53:10,679 we see Karen and her friend Maggie go into the 1061 00:53:10,679 --> 00:53:14,440 back alley and buy a Chucky doll off of a 1062 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,199 pedlar that found it supposedly at the back, you know, 1063 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,599 somewhere around or behind or in the dumpster of the 1064 00:53:19,639 --> 00:53:23,639 toy store. No way, the doll, the box, any of 1065 00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,519 it would look in pristine shape at all. Right, the 1066 00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:28,719 box is a little ding duck, except but the doll 1067 00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,760 would have blood all over it from Charles Lee Ray's hands. 1068 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,599 There would be ash all over it. There's just no 1069 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,679 way in hell that the peddler, a homeless guy or 1070 00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,320 bump whatever he is, would have found that doll cleaned 1071 00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,159 it up, made it all look nice, and found a 1072 00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:45,000 box that somehow stayed intact, put it in the box, 1073 00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:46,920 made it look nice, and then sold it for thirty 1074 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,280 bucks to Karen. No way, no way that that particular 1075 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,920 doll that Ray put his spirit into looked that good. 1076 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,159 One agree totally. I don't need to add anything else. 1077 00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:02,679 Speaker 1: I was thinking the same thing away Aunt Maggie and 1078 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,320 antswering quotes because I don't think it's an actual aunt, 1079 00:54:05,519 --> 00:54:07,880 right right, that's just yeah. She gets a little too angry, 1080 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,920 a little too easy for me. Oh yeah, yeah, I 1081 00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,800 mean it's Andy's birthday, his mom's got to work, and 1082 00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,360 then she tells him to go to bed, and he's 1083 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,880 brushing his teeth, and then we find out Chucky's trying 1084 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,039 to watch the news to find out what happened to Eddie. 1085 00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,599 She seems a little bit too mad at Andy about that. 1086 00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,079 Speaker 2: She comes down on him hard. 1087 00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,119 Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm like, come on, it's a six year old. 1088 00:54:28,159 --> 00:54:29,599 If you never try to put a six year old 1089 00:54:29,639 --> 00:54:31,360 to bed before in your life, I wish it was 1090 00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:32,639 that easy, please. 1091 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,800 Speaker 2: I totally agree. That stood out to me too when 1092 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,239 I was watching him, like, oh, don't don't be so mean, 1093 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,800 Just take it easy. You're right, it's a freaking birthday. 1094 00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:43,519 Speaker 1: Tell his mom gets home. 1095 00:54:43,639 --> 00:54:46,440 Speaker 2: I like that you are coming from a parent's perspective 1096 00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,079 as well, because here's my next comment. If your six 1097 00:54:49,199 --> 00:54:51,079 year old Bill Bant said to you that his new 1098 00:54:51,159 --> 00:54:53,480 doll told him that his name was Charles Lee Ray, 1099 00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,320 and then follow that up by saying Maggie was a 1100 00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,159 real bitch and got what she deserved, what's the first 1101 00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:01,480 thing you would do, sides tell him not to say 1102 00:55:01,519 --> 00:55:05,719 things like that. Wouldn't you be supremely freaked out? Yes, 1103 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,960 And wouldn't you immediately look up the name Charles Lee Ray. 1104 00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,119 It's wild to me that Karen doesn't know who Charles 1105 00:55:13,199 --> 00:55:15,840 Lee Ray is until halfway through them even later on. 1106 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,039 It's a complaint of mind. That's true. She should that 1107 00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:24,559 says absolutely, he's the Lake Shore strangler. So if she'd 1108 00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:27,880 been watching the news at all, would know who this was. 1109 00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:30,559 Or let's say she's working so much because she's a 1110 00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:33,760 single mom understood, maybe she hasn't been paying attention to 1111 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,719 the news. But if your kid says the doll is 1112 00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,639 inhabited by the specific name this person, and then later on, 1113 00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,079 it's just there's no way she wouldn't know who Charles 1114 00:55:43,159 --> 00:55:46,920 Lee Ray because she the detective says that's where Charles 1115 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,079 Lee Ray died. She's like who, And I'm like, wait 1116 00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:51,400 a minute, you don't know who he is? 1117 00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, that's a good one. I didn't 1118 00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,000 pick up on that, but it makes total sense. The 1119 00:55:56,039 --> 00:55:58,079 fact that she seems to have the TV on all 1120 00:55:58,119 --> 00:55:59,639 the time too. You would just kind of pick that 1121 00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,920 up in passing. It would be leading the news and 1122 00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:03,760 you're a single mom and you got to get back 1123 00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,639 and forth to work. Yeah, you'd be scared shitless thinking 1124 00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,280 that you could be the next victim. So she would 1125 00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,079 do Sure, that is a good one. So Andy takes 1126 00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:17,400 Chucky to school and then they ditch and they go 1127 00:56:17,519 --> 00:56:20,400 in the worst part of the town, which he's a 1128 00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,719 six year old. He has no idea where he is 1129 00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,400 in the neighborhood. And I get that. I'm like so 1130 00:56:25,559 --> 00:56:28,000 afraid for him, even though I know nothing's gonna happen 1131 00:56:28,039 --> 00:56:30,440 to him. And then he leaves Chucky to go pee. 1132 00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,039 Chucky takes off to take care of Eddie and then 1133 00:56:33,159 --> 00:56:37,280 he hears gunfire and he's six, maybe he doesn't know 1134 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,840 what gunfire sounds like. But the fact that he runs 1135 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,880 towards it thinking it has something to. 1136 00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:42,519 Speaker 2: Do with Chucky. 1137 00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:47,559 Speaker 1: What and how he did not get hurt during that explosion, 1138 00:56:47,559 --> 00:56:49,239 because I'm sure he was close enough to the house 1139 00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,440 that he would have felt the shockwave. It would have 1140 00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:54,960 knocked him on his ass for sure. Worst case, maybe 1141 00:56:55,079 --> 00:56:59,440 getting hit with debris. That was hello, I get the doll. 1142 00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,800 We'll talk into getting on the subway. I don't know 1143 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,480 how you paid for the subway going into a terrible neighborhood. 1144 00:57:04,519 --> 00:57:05,840 You're a kid, you don't know any better. 1145 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,679 Speaker 2: I get it. I wrote that down almost forbade him. 1146 00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:09,440 Speaker 1: I have it right here. 1147 00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,119 Speaker 2: It says, and when Andy Andy hears the gunshots from 1148 00:57:12,159 --> 00:57:15,480 the house, he goes running toward it, thinking it's Chucky. 1149 00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,039 That I was like that, I don't know would make Yeah, 1150 00:57:19,079 --> 00:57:21,639 like he's concerned for Chuck, is sure. But from the 1151 00:57:21,639 --> 00:57:24,079 beginning of that, I was like, wait a minute, this 1152 00:57:24,199 --> 00:57:26,320 six year old kid just hopped on the l or 1153 00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,400 the train by himself with a doll. No one notices, 1154 00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,840 no one says anything to him. You know what, that 1155 00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:37,440 doesn't surprise me. Unfortunately, a little kid that's only six 1156 00:57:37,559 --> 00:57:40,679 by himself on the train, and by the way, I 1157 00:57:40,719 --> 00:57:43,719 believe that it is in a deleted scene where Andy 1158 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,559 ends up in a ditch after the explosion. Oh okay, 1159 00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,239 there was something shot where because I totally agree that 1160 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:50,599 I had that as well in the back of my 1161 00:57:50,639 --> 00:57:53,039 mind at least where I was like, wow, that is 1162 00:57:53,039 --> 00:57:54,039 a huge explosion. 1163 00:57:54,119 --> 00:57:56,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's pretty close to the house last time 1164 00:57:56,119 --> 00:57:56,960 I was seeing that stop. 1165 00:57:57,079 --> 00:58:00,719 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so yeah. Just there's some strangely written scenes 1166 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,519 here in the opening after Maggie dies, she gets killed 1167 00:58:04,519 --> 00:58:06,960 and falls out the window. Great stunt, by the way. Yes, 1168 00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:11,760 now we have we're introduced to Detective Michael Norris. Even 1169 00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:13,280 we saw him in the opening scene, but here we 1170 00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,360 get to we meet him officially. He's investigating the scene, 1171 00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,639 the crime scene. Karen comes home and she's shocked, and 1172 00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:26,039 supposedly the detective has already questioned the boy questioned Andy, 1173 00:58:26,239 --> 00:58:28,519 and the point of the scene is that they found 1174 00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:33,760 footprints in the baking flower on the countertop. And at 1175 00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,400 this point the detective is like, don't worry, I looked 1176 00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,599 through all of his shoes and none of them matched 1177 00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:43,039 the prince. But then because Andy then comes out with 1178 00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:45,599 Chucky in his arms, and Andy's saying some stuff and 1179 00:58:45,639 --> 00:58:47,599 then says, Chucky wants to know what's going on here, 1180 00:58:47,639 --> 00:58:50,719 and the detective says, oh, let me look at your slippers. 1181 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,480 What are you wearing on your feet? And I'm like, 1182 00:58:52,679 --> 00:58:55,079 wouldn't that have been the first thing you looked at 1183 00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,440 the actual shoes that Andy was wearing before going through 1184 00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,840 the other shoes. And then with in this same dialogue, 1185 00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:05,599 Karen says, Andy already told you he wasn't up on 1186 00:59:05,639 --> 00:59:07,880 the countertop, So what else do you want from him? 1187 00:59:08,119 --> 00:59:10,239 How do you know that Andy never said anything that 1188 00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,639 he wasn't about that was we weren't privy to that. 1189 00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,400 There was no I didn't see that conversation. And it 1190 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,519 was weird when she said that. I was like, wait, no, 1191 00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,320 he didn't say that, or was that part of the 1192 00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,800 conversation he had with the detective and we just didn't 1193 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,679 see it, and so she's kind of relaying that information now. 1194 00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,360 It was just odd stuff like that, a character choice 1195 00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,519 and weird writing. I was like, something's either been deleted 1196 00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:34,559 or it's backwards. It was wild. I'm trying to I 1197 00:59:34,599 --> 00:59:36,639 just don't want to go too deep with this. There's 1198 00:59:36,679 --> 00:59:37,360 a couple other. 1199 00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,800 Speaker 1: Moments here, even the shoe size, I mean Obviously the 1200 00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,880 dolls got smaller feet than Andy, so they shouldn't have 1201 00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,960 right away. That wasn't his not that I would have 1202 00:59:46,119 --> 00:59:48,360 been maybe smart enough. Let me check all the dolls 1203 00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,880 in the house and see if any of their footprints match. 1204 00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,800 But you've ruled it out. Why are you still on 1205 00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,440 top of that? So I agree with that. 1206 00:59:54,639 --> 00:59:57,239 Speaker 2: And then on top of all of that, Karen is 1207 00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,639 obviously upset, and she's saying, I want all of you 1208 00:59:59,679 --> 01:00:02,559 out of here, clear out, And the detective says, you're right, 1209 01:00:02,719 --> 01:00:05,280 we're out here, and I'm like, no, no, you're not. 1210 01:00:05,519 --> 01:00:08,000 This is a crime scene. You're sending Karen and Andy 1211 01:00:08,039 --> 01:00:10,920 to a hotel to spend the night. You don't just leave. 1212 01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,360 That scene's gonna be totally contaminated. What are you talking? 1213 01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,039 Speaker 1: You can't well, just the fact that she so easily 1214 01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:19,679 even got in, Yeah, good point. They should have stopped 1215 01:00:19,679 --> 01:00:21,880 at the front door and been like, look, it's a 1216 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,519 crime scene and then called Norris over, and then Norris 1217 01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:27,159 brings her in and takes her wreck to Andy. She 1218 01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,599 just got by everybody. That made no sense. Yeah, she's 1219 01:00:29,639 --> 01:00:31,159 contaminating the scene even more. 1220 01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great point. Detective's like, yeah, all right, 1221 01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,719 we'll take off. Sorry, sorry to get in your way. 1222 01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,800 We'll just leave the table. If somebody was just murdered here, 1223 01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:44,119 diet Yeah, I love that. When after this entire action sequence, 1224 01:00:44,119 --> 01:00:47,719 when Chucky is attacking Detective Michael Norris in his car 1225 01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,480 and it's a whole thing because he's driving the whole 1226 01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,119 time and he's losing control and Chucky's trying to stab 1227 01:00:52,199 --> 01:00:53,960 him through the seat and all this thing, the car flips, 1228 01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,840 et cetera. Well, Karen has gone to Charles Lee Ray's 1229 01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,400 home and is seeing all this artwork on the walls 1230 01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,920 regarding his voodoo activities. Right, and then we know that 1231 01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:08,039 the detective survives the attack by Chucky and goes to 1232 01:01:08,159 --> 01:01:11,639 Charles Lee Ray's home as well to catch up with Karen, 1233 01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:15,719 and he says, oh, hey, Karen, I did find out 1234 01:01:15,719 --> 01:01:18,320 a couple of things. I pulled Charles Lee's Ray's file. 1235 01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,840 One he goes by the nickname Chucky. Great okay. Two 1236 01:01:23,559 --> 01:01:27,840 he's associated with his John doctor death Guy. And I'm like, oh, yeah, 1237 01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:32,840 how about this detective. Three you just got brutally attacked 1238 01:01:33,239 --> 01:01:36,400 by a killer doll. He doesn't even mention it. 1239 01:01:36,719 --> 01:01:38,519 Speaker 1: Nope, what are we doing? 1240 01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,400 Speaker 2: Like The whole thing is she thinks the doll is alive. 1241 01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,639 He doesn't. He doesn't believe her. But now he's been attacked, 1242 01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:47,840 he saw it firsthand. Wouldn't that be one of the 1243 01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:49,519 first things he says out of his mouth when he 1244 01:01:49,559 --> 01:01:51,440 catches up with her at Charles Lee Ray's house and 1245 01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,559 be like, oh my god, you are right this whole time. 1246 01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:56,039 Andy was right this whole time. The doll is alive. 1247 01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,920 Speaker 1: Well, the fact two is he already said he's been 1248 01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,119 at the house, so he should already know that. The 1249 01:02:01,159 --> 01:02:04,599 picture and John match like. He almost seems surprised by 1250 01:02:04,599 --> 01:02:07,079 that too. Good point is this the first time you're 1251 01:02:07,079 --> 01:02:08,960 looking at the final What the hell's going on there? 1252 01:02:09,039 --> 01:02:10,960 He should have just went there and said, I believe you. 1253 01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,360 I just got attacked by Chucky, right, and this is 1254 01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,480 the man we're looking for right now, and then shows 1255 01:02:15,519 --> 01:02:17,719 her the picture and then she looks at the wall. 1256 01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,960 I'm like, oh shit, that's the same guy. Not them 1257 01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,840 both being like oh wow. But yeah, that whole scene 1258 01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:25,880 went chucky. Part of me liked the fact when the 1259 01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,960 car flipped over and he's down there with the gun 1260 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,960 and we're seeing Chuck you run around it, But if 1261 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,440 I was Chucky, I would have jumped on the top 1262 01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,800 of the car, cut the gas line, set the car 1263 01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,760 on fire. See you later done. 1264 01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:38,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. 1265 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,760 Speaker 1: I kept saying to myself, like, Norris, why are you 1266 01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,039 not getting out of the car unless you're badly hurt? 1267 01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,400 Speaker 2: A couple of times? Yeah, yeah, there's that. Yeah. And 1268 01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:48,519 it seems like Chucky's got him dead to rights with 1269 01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:50,119 the knife, like he could just stab him in the 1270 01:02:50,119 --> 01:02:52,280 face a couple of times and just didn't. And then 1271 01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,039 on top of this is where I have a dialogue 1272 01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:57,880 issue again, because in the sequence when they're still driving 1273 01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:02,000 and attacking, when Chuck's attacking him, Detective Norris manages to 1274 01:03:02,079 --> 01:03:06,039 get the lighter out of the dashboard and burn Chucky 1275 01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:09,199 on the face and he screams out in pain. Then 1276 01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:13,320 minutes later, Michael tries to shoot Chucky and Chucky says, 1277 01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:17,840 you can't hurt me. He just did. Yep, he just 1278 01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,679 burned you on the face. Why are you saying he 1279 01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:21,480 can't hurt you. 1280 01:03:21,719 --> 01:03:23,559 Speaker 1: I gotta say, I love when Chucky gets shot and 1281 01:03:23,559 --> 01:03:24,840 it would just start like flying. 1282 01:03:25,519 --> 01:03:28,519 Speaker 2: That's awesome. I wanted to end on a high note here, 1283 01:03:28,639 --> 01:03:31,840 or a positive note, because we got some complaints, obviously numerous, 1284 01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:36,679 but that ridiculous ending sequence. There are so many cool 1285 01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:41,079 effects with Chucky, the way he's walking. There's one great 1286 01:03:41,079 --> 01:03:43,119 shot of him walking down the hallway and he's doing 1287 01:03:43,159 --> 01:03:46,039 this thing with his arm with the knife. It's kind 1288 01:03:46,039 --> 01:03:47,480 of going up and down and it looks like a 1289 01:03:47,519 --> 01:03:51,800 doll but human at the same time. And all the animatronics. 1290 01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:56,440 But you're right. The shots when Chucky gets shot, yes, 1291 01:03:57,039 --> 01:04:01,239 and goes flying backward in slow motion, slamming against the 1292 01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,199 wall or whatever, are fantastic. I can't get enough of those. 1293 01:04:04,519 --> 01:04:07,960 I love him anytime he gets shot and like limbs 1294 01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,960 are flying in slow motion. He's just getting blown away. 1295 01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:14,079 But you're right in that sequence with the detective in 1296 01:04:14,119 --> 01:04:16,840 the car and he shoots him and he's just like ah, 1297 01:04:17,079 --> 01:04:20,440 he goes flying backwards, all in slow motion. It looks 1298 01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,079 so great. Lots of fun. All right, I'm gonna end 1299 01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:23,679 my complaints. 1300 01:04:23,679 --> 01:04:25,360 Speaker 1: I think I'll onto two, even though I have some more, 1301 01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,599 but we need to move on, all right, Okay, time 1302 01:04:27,639 --> 01:04:31,320 to move on to Hey, what's that actor? So in 1303 01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,679 this segment with Spotlight, a character actor you have seen 1304 01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,559 in many other films, an actor making their big screen 1305 01:04:36,599 --> 01:04:39,480 debut or an actor that makes an on credited cameo. 1306 01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,760 It's hey, it's that actor. Who do we choose this week? 1307 01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,159 Speaker 2: This week we have chosen as our hay, It's that 1308 01:04:46,239 --> 01:04:52,280 actor Dinah Manoff. She plays Maggie. She's Karen's coworker and bestie, 1309 01:04:52,519 --> 01:04:55,119 also known as Aunt Maggie. Her career dates back to 1310 01:04:55,159 --> 01:04:57,599 the mid seventies, and she does a little TV but 1311 01:04:57,719 --> 01:05:03,400 gets a big break yes Marty Maraschino, in a little 1312 01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:07,760 film called Grease. She does also do fifteen episodes of 1313 01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:11,719 the show Soap in nineteen seventy eight. But here's her 1314 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:15,320 eighties snapshot. She was in Ordinary People in nineteen eighty 1315 01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,199 in the role of Karen, and she received a Tony 1316 01:05:18,239 --> 01:05:20,519 Award in nineteen eighty for he performance in the Broadway 1317 01:05:20,559 --> 01:05:23,440 production of Neil Simons I Ought to be in pictures 1318 01:05:24,039 --> 01:05:27,400 role she reprised in the nineteen eighty two film version, 1319 01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,880 starring opposite Walter Mathow. She does a whole bunch of 1320 01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,719 TV episodes in TV movies This Child's Playing eighty eight, 1321 01:05:33,719 --> 01:05:37,119 and then she does one hundred and seventy episodes of 1322 01:05:37,159 --> 01:05:41,199 the show Empty Nest from nineteen eighty eight to ninety five, 1323 01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:45,599 playing the role of Carol Weston. After that, she did 1324 01:05:45,639 --> 01:05:47,960 do thirty nine episodes of the TV series State of 1325 01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,840 Grace from two thousand and one to two thousand and two, 1326 01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,119 and then seems like she hung it up around two 1327 01:05:53,159 --> 01:05:56,119 thousand and eight. Little trivia for you. In the film 1328 01:05:56,239 --> 01:06:00,599 musical Grease, which is from nineteen seventy eight, Dinah managed 1329 01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:04,079 to nab the plucky sex pop role of Marty Maraschino, 1330 01:06:04,199 --> 01:06:07,000 despite the fact she lacked in dancing and singing skills, 1331 01:06:07,199 --> 01:06:10,679 She faked her way through auditions and her personality alone 1332 01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,000 got her the part. Later, when it came down to 1333 01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:16,880 doing the choreography, Dinah remained conveniently hidden in the background. 1334 01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:18,159 There you go. 1335 01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,320 Speaker 1: I forgot it was her an Greece and as I 1336 01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:25,239 was like, oh, yeah, totally, but I more remember her 1337 01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:26,599 for Empty Nests. 1338 01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:28,519 Speaker 2: There you go. I never watched that show. 1339 01:06:28,719 --> 01:06:31,000 Speaker 1: And then when you mentioned you ought to be in pictures, 1340 01:06:31,239 --> 01:06:33,679 I have seen that and I couldn't stand. 1341 01:06:33,519 --> 01:06:37,039 Speaker 2: Her in that movie. I got you all right. 1342 01:06:37,079 --> 01:06:39,599 Speaker 1: Time to move on to facts and trivia. What facts 1343 01:06:39,639 --> 01:06:42,199 and trivia do we have left for child's play to 1344 01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:43,280 share with our audience? 1345 01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:47,719 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, despite their long running collaborative effort to bring 1346 01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:51,480 Chucky to life. Voice actor Brad Doriff and special effects 1347 01:06:51,519 --> 01:06:54,800 wizard Kevin Yaeger never met in person until they were 1348 01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,440 both guests at a Horror convention in May of twenty eighteen. 1349 01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:00,400 Speaker 1: So you didn't get invited to the wedding. 1350 01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,320 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's tough. That's tough. 1351 01:07:03,719 --> 01:07:07,320 Speaker 1: So the original working title for the film was Batteries 1352 01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,119 Not Include it. But guess what, Steven Spielberg produced a 1353 01:07:10,119 --> 01:07:12,639 movie of the same name, so that got mixed, and 1354 01:07:12,679 --> 01:07:16,199 then it was changed to Blood Buddy. I guess I 1355 01:07:16,239 --> 01:07:18,960 was a little too close to My Buddy, So now 1356 01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,320 they settled for Child's Play, which I actually think is 1357 01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,199 probably the best title of the three. 1358 01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:27,280 Speaker 2: I agree, and uh speaking, which we're going to connect this, 1359 01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:31,440 but I'd read that the my Buddy doll line never 1360 01:07:31,519 --> 01:07:35,119 recovered from the first Child's Play movie, and I didn't 1361 01:07:35,239 --> 01:07:38,280 do any further research into the My Buddy legacy, like 1362 01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:42,320 how badly did Child's Play affect the My Buddy sales? 1363 01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:46,199 Speaker 1: I could see that it would for sure. Yeah, my Buddy, man, 1364 01:07:46,239 --> 01:07:49,199 that was one of the most catchy jingles. I remember 1365 01:07:49,199 --> 01:07:51,760 that kid, Ye, yeah, my buddy and the kids were 1366 01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:54,559 playing in the park with them my body and me. 1367 01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,639 Speaker 2: That's it. That's it. Did I know. 1368 01:07:57,559 --> 01:08:00,079 Speaker 1: Anybody with My Buddy? I might have known one at 1369 01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:02,519 the head of My Buddy Dell, and I think right 1370 01:08:02,519 --> 01:08:06,039 away we were like, oh yeah, Chucky, there ket it, 1371 01:08:06,079 --> 01:08:06,599 that's the problem. 1372 01:08:06,679 --> 01:08:08,880 Speaker 2: Yep. But you had mentioned one of the earlier titles 1373 01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,239 for Child's play was Blood Buddy, because it was going 1374 01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,000 to be based on My Buddy kind of a little 1375 01:08:13,159 --> 01:08:16,760 more closely. But the first draft of the script was 1376 01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,399 actually completed in the summer of eighty five and referenced 1377 01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:23,640 Chucky as Buddy, who came to life after mixing blood 1378 01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:27,760 with Andy and killed those that were against Andy, for example, 1379 01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:31,760 the babysitter and teacher, and manifesting Andy's loneliness and isolation 1380 01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:34,640 from an overworked mother and absent father. In addition to 1381 01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:38,640 being more psychologically driven horror film, Buddy also only came 1382 01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:42,079 alive at night when Andy was asleep, So that was 1383 01:08:42,119 --> 01:08:45,479 the original version. Yeah, it'd be interesting. Yeah, I kind 1384 01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:47,560 of like it. Blood Buddy, Yeah, me too. Sounds a 1385 01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:48,119 lot darker. 1386 01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:52,319 Speaker 1: So the film used various ways to betray Chucky, including 1387 01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:57,239 rc animatronics and little people or child actors Various animatronics 1388 01:08:57,239 --> 01:09:00,199 and cosmetics were used for every scene throughout the movie. 1389 01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:03,960 Chucky's cosmetics transition from looking toy like to more human look. 1390 01:09:04,199 --> 01:09:08,600 The film created multiple Chucky animatronics, such as a flailing 1391 01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:12,439 tantrum Chucky, a walking Chucky, and a stationary Chucky. The 1392 01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,399 Amatronk's face was controlled by a remote control through a 1393 01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:19,479 rig that goes on one's face and captures facial movements. 1394 01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,840 In the scene where Chucky runs behind Maggie in the hallway, 1395 01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:27,880 Chucky was actually played by Alex Vincent's younger sister great Stuff. 1396 01:09:28,279 --> 01:09:31,159 Speaker 2: We had mentioned that there is definitely homage to the 1397 01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:34,800 shining in that final action sequence, and on top of that, 1398 01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:38,279 Brad Dorriff claims that his Chucky voice was just his 1399 01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:43,000 Jack Nicholson impression, which makes complete sense, and if you 1400 01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,159 know that and you're listening to him, you can really 1401 01:09:45,159 --> 01:09:47,399 hear that you do in a couple of moments. I 1402 01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:51,239 thought this was cool because it is featured in the film. Obviously, 1403 01:09:51,399 --> 01:09:54,239 is the building where Karen and Andy live. That's the 1404 01:09:54,319 --> 01:09:58,960 Chicago Landmark Brewster Building, and the Brewster Building also appears 1405 01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,159 in the scene where Gregor y Hines and Billy Crystal 1406 01:10:01,279 --> 01:10:05,319 must surrender their trousers to Jimmy Smith's in Running Scared 1407 01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:07,880 from eighty six, which we covered on this very pod, 1408 01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:10,560 and it can also be seen on the right outside 1409 01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,840 Drew Carey's office in the Drew Carrey showing from ninety five. 1410 01:10:14,319 --> 01:10:17,840 Speaker 1: So, according to Tom Holland, the shot of Maggie falling 1411 01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,439 to her death was achieved by having a stunt woman 1412 01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:24,319 do the main shot, followed by a concrete filled dummy 1413 01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,880 when she hits the car, which had charges underneath the 1414 01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:29,399 windows to shatter. 1415 01:10:29,119 --> 01:10:32,239 Speaker 2: Them look great. Back to the effects, I don't know 1416 01:10:32,239 --> 01:10:35,000 if you had mentioned this that Ed Gayle was hired 1417 01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,880 to play Chucky for the fire scene, and since he 1418 01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:42,640 was around thirty percent taller than the doll, the filmmakers 1419 01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,079 created a living room stage that was thirty percent bigger 1420 01:10:45,079 --> 01:10:48,479 and actually set him on fire. But they did use 1421 01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:51,920 forced perspective for a couple of the sets because the 1422 01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,439 doll is supposed to be I think two feet tall, 1423 01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:57,960 but then they were using either children or a little 1424 01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:04,000 person to portray Chucky, and obviously they're still taller than 1425 01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,399 two feet, right, so they had to make the room 1426 01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:08,960 look bigger to make him look smaller. 1427 01:11:09,039 --> 01:11:12,760 Speaker 1: I think I missed that forced perspective. Director Tom Holland 1428 01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:16,359 makes some cameos in this movie, so he is the 1429 01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:20,119 voice of the creepy costume most of the Good Guy's 1430 01:11:20,199 --> 01:11:25,000 program that Andy's watching at the beginning, that's a terrible costume, and. 1431 01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:26,600 Speaker 2: Then it is. 1432 01:11:27,079 --> 01:11:28,760 Speaker 1: And then if you look at some of the pictures 1433 01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:32,960 in the apartment of Andy's father, that's actually Tom Holland. 1434 01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:36,159 Speaker 2: Also, there you go. I just wanted to mention that 1435 01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:41,079 in the reboot of Child's Play in twenty nineteen, that 1436 01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:44,640 the voice of Chucky was performed by none other than 1437 01:11:45,279 --> 01:11:45,840 Mark Hamill. 1438 01:11:46,239 --> 01:11:47,800 Speaker 1: That's the only reason why I want to say it, 1439 01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:49,279 just to hear what voice he was going to do 1440 01:11:49,359 --> 01:11:54,239 for that. So, composer John Rinzetti and singer songwriter Simon 1441 01:11:54,319 --> 01:11:58,000 Stokes recorded an ending credits villain's song about Chucky the 1442 01:11:58,079 --> 01:12:01,880 Doll that wasn't used in the final finished film because 1443 01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:06,039 studio executives thought it made Chucky seem less scary. The 1444 01:12:06,119 --> 01:12:08,560 song can be heard in the home video trailer for 1445 01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,640 the film, and you can find it on YouTube. And 1446 01:12:12,079 --> 01:12:14,960 I'd let you decide for yourself if they should have 1447 01:12:15,039 --> 01:12:18,840 kept it or not. I think I agree with the execs. 1448 01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:20,159 The tune is catchy. 1449 01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:22,279 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I gotta listen to this. 1450 01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,359 Speaker 1: They almost sing out the story for you. That's kind 1451 01:12:25,399 --> 01:12:28,199 of what happens. But it does kind of have like 1452 01:12:28,279 --> 01:12:31,520 that toy theme kind of thing going for it too. 1453 01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:33,760 Speaker 2: I liked it, but I was like. 1454 01:12:34,279 --> 01:12:35,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if I would have put it 1455 01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:37,840 in the movie. I'll put the link in the show 1456 01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:40,880 notes so you can find it and listen for yourself. 1457 01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,399 Speaker 2: But yeah, lick to know. What do you think about it? 1458 01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:45,680 Love it? I gotta check it out, give it a listen. 1459 01:12:46,039 --> 01:12:48,520 I also wished I had this on DVD. It seems 1460 01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,239 like there's some good commentary and some behind the scenes stuff. 1461 01:12:51,399 --> 01:12:54,079 And one last thing I'll mention is that during that 1462 01:12:54,119 --> 01:12:57,479 commentary on the DVD, as mentioned that originally Chucky is 1463 01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:01,479 decapitated while approaching Karen and And in this final sequence, but 1464 01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,600 not by Karen shooting his head off, but instead by 1465 01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:07,720 Detective Mike quickly entering the frame and knocking his head 1466 01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:10,560 off with the baseball bat. Supposedly, if you slow that 1467 01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,279 scene down, you can actually see a bat coming into 1468 01:13:13,319 --> 01:13:15,319 frame and knocking Chucky's head off. 1469 01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:16,960 Speaker 1: That's the bummer watching him. 1470 01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,800 Speaker 2: It streaming right, I couldn't slow it down, and I 1471 01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:21,840 could not, so I watched it a few times. I 1472 01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,439 couldn't see the bat in the frame, but same, I 1473 01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:25,079 really wanted to. 1474 01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:29,720 Speaker 1: It's like, damn it, I have this on DVD. No 1475 01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:35,279 for sure, all right, Jason. Alternate titles, Yeah, here we go. 1476 01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:36,239 Speaker 2: In Italy. 1477 01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:38,479 Speaker 1: I'm going to do the Italian verse verse in the 1478 01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:44,680 translation La Bambola Assassinina nice, which is the Killer Doll, 1479 01:13:45,359 --> 01:13:52,399 Latin America Chucky, the Devil Toy, Brazil, Killer Toy, Germany Chucky, 1480 01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:58,239 the Killer Doll, Greece, the Devil's Doll, Netherlands just the doll. 1481 01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:06,359 Poland is Chucky, the Doll, Portugal is Chucky, the Diabolical Doll. Oh, Romania, 1482 01:14:07,039 --> 01:14:13,960 Wait on this one, Toy Spain, we have Devil Doll, 1483 01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:19,880 Sweden the Evil Doll, and Taiwan. They must have been 1484 01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:23,319 watching a different movie, Supernatural Invasion. 1485 01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:25,840 Speaker 2: Oh my god. Maybe it kind of works. 1486 01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,039 Speaker 1: But that's some alternate titles for you. 1487 01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,199 Speaker 2: Yeah. It's hard to choose my favorite with those because 1488 01:14:31,239 --> 01:14:33,479 some of them are so like I like the abstract 1489 01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,239 ones that almost have nothing to do with the subject 1490 01:14:36,319 --> 01:14:40,119 matter of the film. But I think the Diabolical Doll 1491 01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:42,119 is my favorite, hands down. 1492 01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:42,920 Speaker 1: It's toy. 1493 01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,640 Speaker 2: That's great. Okay. 1494 01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:51,479 Speaker 1: Moving on to box office, so, Child's Play was released 1495 01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:55,439 on November ninth, nineteen eighty eight and one and seventy 1496 01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:59,000 seven theaters with an estimated budget of just eight million. 1497 01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:01,760 Child's Play turned out to be a box office hit. 1498 01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:05,319 It pulled in thirty three point two million domestically and 1499 01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:09,439 added another eleven million internationally. The film made a strong debut, 1500 01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,600 landing at number one in its opening weekend, but by 1501 01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,760 the next week it slipped to number two, edged down 1502 01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:18,600 by the Land Before Time. Still, it held strong, staying 1503 01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,000 in the top ten for three more weeks. By the 1504 01:15:21,079 --> 01:15:23,800 end of its run, Child's Play ranked as the thirty 1505 01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:26,680 third highest grossing film of the year in the US, 1506 01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:31,159 coming in just behind Mississippi Burning. Second time we've mentioned 1507 01:15:31,119 --> 01:15:33,239 in Mississippi Burning in this episode. I never thought that 1508 01:15:33,239 --> 01:15:36,159 would happen, but we did. Moving on to reviews. From 1509 01:15:36,199 --> 01:15:38,199 growing up in the eighties, we would watch at the 1510 01:15:38,239 --> 01:15:40,680 movies with Gene Cisco and Roger Eber to hear their 1511 01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:44,319 reviews and watch clips of upcoming movies. Their review of 1512 01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:49,000 Child's Play was split. Jeane found the movie silly and 1513 01:15:49,079 --> 01:15:51,399 didn't buy it at all. Roger thought the movie was 1514 01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:55,680 well made, with convincing performances by Catherine Hickson Alex Vincent. 1515 01:15:56,039 --> 01:15:59,199 He thought it was an effective horror film Rotten Tomatoes 1516 01:15:59,199 --> 01:16:02,000 because it made meter score of sixty four percent, with 1517 01:16:02,079 --> 01:16:05,399 a Popcorn Meter score of sixty five percent, and also 1518 01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:09,159 has an IMDb rating of six point seven. So it 1519 01:16:09,199 --> 01:16:13,119 takes this to additional thoughts and questions. Do you have 1520 01:16:13,159 --> 01:16:16,359 any additional thoughts questions about Child's play. 1521 01:16:17,079 --> 01:16:19,479 Speaker 2: We know that Charles Lee Ray is a murderer son 1522 01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,439 of a bitch, But I was like, why does he 1523 01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,880 kill Maggie just because he's a murderer. Yeah. I couldn't 1524 01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:28,279 figure that out. There's lacking some motivation there. I didn't 1525 01:16:28,319 --> 01:16:30,960 know what why why he murder? I was like, why 1526 01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:32,000 would you kill Maggie? 1527 01:16:32,119 --> 01:16:33,279 Speaker 1: She wouldn't let him watch TV? 1528 01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:38,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like I'm like, or he she prevented him 1529 01:16:38,119 --> 01:16:41,399 from leaving the apartment, distracted, whatever it was, he had 1530 01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:43,479 some sort he was just pissed at her. Yeah, he's like, 1531 01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:46,880 smack around the forehead with a tiny, tiny hammer, yep, 1532 01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,079 send her flying through a window. And I don't know 1533 01:16:49,119 --> 01:16:50,840 why this was bothering me the whole time? 1534 01:16:51,399 --> 01:16:54,640 Speaker 1: Is how pissed is that Toy Star owner the next 1535 01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:58,239 morning when he comes and just sees Oh, so, who 1536 01:16:58,239 --> 01:17:01,000 do you think covers the cost for that rebuild? Do 1537 01:17:01,039 --> 01:17:04,359 you think it's the owner's insurance? Or does the city 1538 01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:07,960 pitch in because of what happened in the store. 1539 01:17:08,039 --> 01:17:11,159 Speaker 2: Because they could claim it was the result of the 1540 01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:15,960 police activity that occurred there, correct? Yeah? Or I don't 1541 01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,279 know if they have insurance for lightning strikes? Right, like 1542 01:17:19,359 --> 01:17:25,039 a natural disaster sort of thing. Storm? Yeah? Yeah, what 1543 01:17:25,119 --> 01:17:27,319 a mess? What an absolutely yeah? I mean, what a 1544 01:17:27,399 --> 01:17:31,159 It's a complete disaster. It's a total total. 1545 01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:34,640 Speaker 1: Christ is right around the corner too. So, man, the 1546 01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:36,000 guy's double screwed. 1547 01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:39,960 Speaker 2: A no kidding, This is a real nitpicky thing. Okay. 1548 01:17:40,119 --> 01:17:42,439 I would actually think this is probably how Bill Bant thinks. 1549 01:17:43,319 --> 01:17:47,640 If Charles Lee Ray has possessed this particular doll and 1550 01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:50,880 the doll has no batteries in it, how is he 1551 01:17:51,079 --> 01:17:56,439 able to perform the actual doll voice? Hmm? It's super 1552 01:17:56,640 --> 01:18:00,359 like overthinking it because you would think, as he's possessed doll, 1553 01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:03,600 he's going to speak as himself Charles Lee Ray. But 1554 01:18:04,199 --> 01:18:06,800 there's no batteries in it, and the doll has a 1555 01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:10,239 very specific voice when it has batteries in it, and 1556 01:18:10,319 --> 01:18:14,000 so now Charles Ray, with no batteries in it, has 1557 01:18:14,039 --> 01:18:16,000 to mimic the doll's voice. 1558 01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:18,840 Speaker 1: I'll try to go two ways on this one. One 1559 01:18:19,399 --> 01:18:22,720 Good Guy's Dolls is everywhere just as much as everyone 1560 01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:26,359 knows about the Lake Shore Strangler, so he probably knows 1561 01:18:26,399 --> 01:18:29,920 the voice. Maybe he's heard it as much as people 1562 01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:31,880 have heard about him. I don't know, you know, maybe 1563 01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:36,600 it likes cartoons. Who knows. The second thing is you 1564 01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:42,000 think with the doll itself, there is the audio is 1565 01:18:42,039 --> 01:18:45,640 already and there is, so maybe he just activates the audio. 1566 01:18:46,119 --> 01:18:50,800 Speaker 2: That's I think that's the simple answer. Yeah, he manipulates 1567 01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:54,520 the doll, I mean energy, his spiritual forces manipulating dolls, 1568 01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:55,439 so he would be able. 1569 01:18:55,279 --> 01:18:58,720 Speaker 1: To activate the voice. I like that question though, that 1570 01:18:58,760 --> 01:18:59,720 could be a bill question. 1571 01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:03,840 Speaker 2: It's like one of those questions where Jesus I would 1572 01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,319 have never thought of that. Why are you thinking even 1573 01:19:06,399 --> 01:19:08,720 thinking in that direction? Why are you thinking about that? 1574 01:19:09,159 --> 01:19:12,399 I like that. I got a couple more here, but one. 1575 01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:15,319 The screen would be real tough for Chucky as the 1576 01:19:15,399 --> 01:19:19,319 doll he gets around town by himself. A few times 1577 01:19:19,319 --> 01:19:21,439 in this movie, he takes he runs away from Karen, 1578 01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,640 goes down the elevator, takes off. How hard would it 1579 01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:27,239 be for Chucky to get around town without being noticed 1580 01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:29,640 just by general public, right, you know what I mean? 1581 01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:33,720 Like he'd have to constantly For instance, near the end, 1582 01:19:34,079 --> 01:19:36,439 when the older couple is in the elevator and he 1583 01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:39,319 plays dead or plays quiet, you know, as the doll 1584 01:19:39,399 --> 01:19:41,319 in the corner of the elevator, and there's the funny 1585 01:19:41,319 --> 01:19:44,119 moment when the woman's like, what an ugly doll or 1586 01:19:44,159 --> 01:19:45,840 something of that fact, and he's like, fuck you. 1587 01:19:46,119 --> 01:19:48,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, shot to wife, that's her favorite scene. 1588 01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:54,399 Speaker 2: Sure, it's great. But if he's by himself without Andy, 1589 01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:56,760 just walking about town, he's got to travel in the 1590 01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:00,880 cover of night, down dark alleys, and anytime a human 1591 01:20:01,039 --> 01:20:04,079 a person comes across him, he would have to go quiet, 1592 01:20:04,079 --> 01:20:06,039 go limp, and pretend just to be the doll. 1593 01:20:06,119 --> 01:20:09,760 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, a little toy story reaction there. Yeah, that's 1594 01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:13,199 a good question. So he gets out to Eddie's with 1595 01:20:13,279 --> 01:20:16,359 the help of Andy, that's true. There's a couple of 1596 01:20:16,399 --> 01:20:18,000 times he's got to go across town. How the fuck 1597 01:20:18,039 --> 01:20:18,640 does he do that? 1598 01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:21,760 Speaker 2: Two times? Specifically once when he runs out of the 1599 01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:24,560 apartment after Karen threatens to throw him in the fire. 1600 01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:27,520 The first time and the second time is when he 1601 01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:31,600 leaves the psychiatric hospital to go back to Andy's apartment 1602 01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:34,520 to get him. Yeah, he's traveling by himself. 1603 01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:36,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I was thinking when he ran out of 1604 01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:40,279 the apartment, I'm like, I wonder if he's just somewhere 1605 01:20:40,319 --> 01:20:43,960 in the area. And then once Detective Norris pulls up, 1606 01:20:44,039 --> 01:20:45,840 he's somehow knocking the back. I don't know how he's 1607 01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:48,279 stuck into the car, but yeah, there's definitely times he's 1608 01:20:48,319 --> 01:20:51,039 he's got to go a distance. Right, These are the 1609 01:20:51,079 --> 01:20:54,199 things we think about as adults. Unfortunately, it's kind it's 1610 01:20:54,239 --> 01:20:57,399 fun to think about, but sometimes it's annoying. That's a 1611 01:20:57,399 --> 01:20:57,760 good one. 1612 01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:00,920 Speaker 2: I like that one. I wonder if that's Please listeners 1613 01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:04,640 tell us if that actually is addressed in the sequels 1614 01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:05,760 or in the TV series. 1615 01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:07,399 Speaker 1: I wonder if yeah, I gotta start watching them all 1616 01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:10,319 again now, God damn it. Yeah, right, damn me, chucky, 1617 01:21:10,399 --> 01:21:11,479 I got fine, that's what happens. 1618 01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:16,399 Speaker 2: I have one fun last observation here, Okay, question is 1619 01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:19,560 Karen a good mom? Now? Look, I have the utmost 1620 01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:22,439 respect for single mothers, trust me. But you know, in 1621 01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:25,199 this beginning, she knews his birthday. She knew her son 1622 01:21:25,279 --> 01:21:27,079 really wanted a good guy doll, but she didn't have 1623 01:21:27,159 --> 01:21:29,279 enough time to save up for it. And on his 1624 01:21:29,359 --> 01:21:33,600 birthday she gift wraps a large box which looks identical 1625 01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:37,000 to a good Guy's doll box. And when he opens it, 1626 01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:39,000 it's got some clothes in it, and she just pulls 1627 01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:41,159 like a pair of jeans out of this giant box, 1628 01:21:41,159 --> 01:21:43,640 and I'm like, what the why would you put the 1629 01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:46,199 jeans in a giant box like that and wrap it? 1630 01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:49,279 I get parents trying to get be cute every once 1631 01:21:49,319 --> 01:21:51,439 in a while. Even my parents would do this, like Christmas. 1632 01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:54,000 They would wrap a big box and it was like 1633 01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,680 a Russian doll situation where you'd unwrap it and there'd 1634 01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:58,079 be a smaller box inside of it and then a 1635 01:21:58,079 --> 01:22:00,520 smaller box inside of that, and you know what. It 1636 01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:01,840 was kind of funny at the time, but it sort 1637 01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:04,359 of pissed me off too. As a kid, if you 1638 01:22:04,399 --> 01:22:06,399 see a big box and you think it's you just 1639 01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:09,199 automatically think it's a big present, that's the big ticket 1640 01:22:09,199 --> 01:22:11,640 item that you've been waiting for. And that's that don't 1641 01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:14,079 mess with your kids hopes that way. That's just my 1642 01:22:14,199 --> 01:22:15,000 little commentary. 1643 01:22:15,039 --> 01:22:15,319 Speaker 1: There. 1644 01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:17,159 Speaker 2: I felt for Andy, There I got. I got a 1645 01:22:17,159 --> 01:22:18,680 little mad at I got a little mad at Karen. 1646 01:22:19,039 --> 01:22:21,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like pants. 1647 01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:24,319 Speaker 2: Come on, put the pants in a smaller box. 1648 01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:27,560 Speaker 1: It's only getting two presents. One's a pair of pants 1649 01:22:28,279 --> 01:22:30,840 and a good guy's tool. Outside of that, I think 1650 01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:32,720 she did a pretty good job for being a single mom. 1651 01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,560 Speaker 2: No, she was Yeah, she was good. She's good, all right. 1652 01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:38,079 Speaker 1: Tied to move on to a rating. So on a 1653 01:22:38,159 --> 01:22:41,720 scale of one to five good guys, dolls, what do 1654 01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:42,640 you give child's play? 1655 01:22:43,159 --> 01:22:49,520 Speaker 2: This was tough because after the first rewatch, I was 1656 01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:53,520 a little disappointed because the story really just the or 1657 01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:59,479 lack thereof, or the strange dialogue writing character choices threw 1658 01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:04,439 me off and it took me out of the just simple, fun, 1659 01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,800 entertaining aspect of this movie. So originally I was going 1660 01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:09,199 to give it two and a half good Guys, but 1661 01:23:09,279 --> 01:23:13,640 I'm raising it to a three because upon revisiting the 1662 01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:16,880 film for the notes and the favorite scenes, et cetera, 1663 01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:21,840 there's some really great stuff in here that's very inventive 1664 01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:24,880 and creative with the doll, the way it's shot, the effects, 1665 01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:29,680 the effects alone in Brad Doriff's voice of the doll, 1666 01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:33,680 and the fun just the idea just raised it to 1667 01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:35,159 a three for me. So I'm going to give it 1668 01:23:35,199 --> 01:23:38,039 three good guys Dolls for now, reserving the right to 1669 01:23:38,079 --> 01:23:40,600 change it later on, but absolutely love the conceit of 1670 01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:44,000 this film. The idea is really creepy. I mentioned the 1671 01:23:44,079 --> 01:23:47,159 story is super flawed, that whole ending sequence has a 1672 01:23:47,399 --> 01:23:51,560 bunch of problems, but overall it's still fun and it 1673 01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:57,399 goes by quickly, and my suspension of disbelief it was 1674 01:23:57,479 --> 01:23:59,960 there for the most part. It was just unfortunately the 1675 01:24:00,079 --> 01:24:02,439 writing would take me out here and there. But overall 1676 01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:06,960 it's still still worth a three because of the legacy 1677 01:24:07,079 --> 01:24:10,399 it has and you know, spawning so many sequels and 1678 01:24:11,119 --> 01:24:14,319 it's fun eighties horror. What I just I can't overthink 1679 01:24:14,359 --> 01:24:15,960 it too much, and I think I was guilty of that, 1680 01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:18,600 as you could hear in this podcast, but I'm try 1681 01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:20,680 and correct that. I'm giving it three. 1682 01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:23,479 Speaker 1: Oh that's funny, Jason, because I initially started with a 1683 01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:25,920 three and then I bumped it up three and a half. 1684 01:24:26,159 --> 01:24:30,479 Oh wow, nice, because I do like the premise exactly. 1685 01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:35,079 I don't think the movie is that scary, and yes, 1686 01:24:35,119 --> 01:24:38,880 there are a lot of things with scenes being cut 1687 01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:42,920 out or dialogue that we've all discussed that are issues. 1688 01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:48,640 But I think because of the three main characters, Chucky, 1689 01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:52,600 Andy and Karen, they do a great job. They carry 1690 01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:55,920 this and the fact that all these special effects were 1691 01:24:55,960 --> 01:25:00,359 done in eighty seven are into eighty eight and percent 1692 01:25:00,359 --> 01:25:02,359 of them still work. For me today, I'm like, wow, 1693 01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,359 I would have to recommend this movie who had not 1694 01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:05,920 seen it. I did enjoy it. 1695 01:25:06,199 --> 01:25:09,000 Speaker 2: I love it totally great, so much credit to all 1696 01:25:09,039 --> 01:25:13,479 of the effects crew members. Definitely all right. 1697 01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:16,680 Speaker 1: That just about does it for this week's episode. As always, 1698 01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:19,000 we appreciate you tuning in. Don't forget to follow us 1699 01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:21,680 on your favorite stream platform, leave a rating, and drop 1700 01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:24,520 us a review, hopefully a positive one. 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Everyone, We're friends to the end. 1707 01:25:45,079 --> 01:25:50,840 Speaker 2: Remember this is the end, friend, thanks for staying up 1708 01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:51,239 with us. 1709 01:25:51,479 --> 01:26:03,000 Speaker 3: Good Night world, m hmmmmmmmmmmm. 1710 01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:11,560 Speaker 2: But the real terror takes hold when the deranged doll 1711 01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:14,399 becomes determined to transfer his evil spirit to a lieve 1712 01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:15,560 the ship