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Speaker 1: Good morning, say er, how are you doing today?

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Speaker 2: I'm better now that I'm speaking to you. I remember

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you from our last radio tour and you are such

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a thoughtful host. I'm so excited to speak with you again.

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Speaker 1: You know, I got to tell you I am such

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a big fan of you because you believe in the

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path that I walk upon. That and I don't find

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that too often in a lot of people who want

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to really reach out and touch people's lives. In fact,

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in my writing today, I said, I'll bet you Simone

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today will pick up five or six different new ideas

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from everybody she's going to be interviewed by, because you

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are a student of life and you're gonna be hanging

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out with co co students basically.

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Speaker 3: Oh of course.

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Speaker 2: I mean I go through life looking for opportunities to learn,

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and I think that just comes from having this innately

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curious spirit. I've been that way ever since I was

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a little girl, and I can tell you have that

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as well. You're a curious person, which is a beautiful trait.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's because I like asking questions and then questioning

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the answers. And I don't know where I picked that

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up from, but I get better answers if you go, oh,

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really okay, Simone, really go deep than.

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Speaker 2: That wait erro That is so good. You said, I

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like asking questions and questioning the answers. I'm writing that

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down because that's such a beautiful quote.

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Speaker 1: Well, the goal is is to really I mean, because

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I'm always thinking about the listener and so were you.

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Because I feel like that you are my partner when

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I'm driving in that car to go uptown Charlotte, and

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and you know, it's because I need someone to be

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in there with me. And it's like I can sit

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there and go, oh okay, Simon, and I know where

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you're going with this, and your guests are so honest.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, the honesty is a real win for me,

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as you know, someone who's spent many years as a

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journalist and now transitioning into podcast hosting. But honesty is like, Wow,

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if I can come away from a conversation from an

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interview and feel like I got the most honest, real

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candid version of that person, that feels really gratifying. And

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I think it not only feels gratifying for me, but

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it also is really rewarding for the listener too, because

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there's so much insincerity.

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Speaker 3: Did I just make up a word? There's so much.

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Speaker 2: There's so many elements of our world today that are

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artificial or you know, hard to suss out the integrity of.

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But when you hear someone really telling their story openly

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and honestly, that's powerful.

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Speaker 1: You made that comment about jumping from a journalist to

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a podcaster. How long did it take you to adjust

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to that new voice, Because as that journalist, it's always like, well, Johnny,

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I'm down here on the corner of fifth and seventh

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and there has been something that's taking place. We don't

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talk like that in podcasting.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. It's so true. It took me. It took me,

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I want to say it took me a couple of months.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, when we were launching this show, we had the

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benefit of a development period, so we were able to

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get in the studio, play around, really acquaint ourselves with

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the producing staff, and in that time, I really tried

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to work on that transition from one career path where

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all of the emphasis is out right, I'm not the

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focus of the story, that the focus and the attention

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is on the subject of the news story, and in

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podcasting you got to flip it around, and you got

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to you gotta go into that internal world and you

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have to be willing to share more of yourself. So

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that was definitely a new experience for me. But I

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find that it gets easier all the time, and it

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gets easier through the incredible guests that we that I've

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had this season, like Rachel Platten, she and I had

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an incredibly honest conversation about motherhood. Sarah Spain, a sports journalist.

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We talked and shared a lot of common ground around

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fighting for legitimacy as a young reporter. So yeah, I

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find that I find that embracing this new role, as

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a relatively new role as a podcast house, that gets

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you brought up Rachel plattin because

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that's somebody I wanted to talk about because she's teaching

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people how to find their voice again, which then inspired

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me to step into the world of these younger people

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that I'm with that seem to be quiet, and so

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I'm learning it is the art of listening that will

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bring somebody out of their shell.

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Speaker 2: M the art of listening that will bring somebody out

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of their shell. That's really good. Yeah, I think well,

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listening can be a really intimate experience, right, And it's

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so when you feel like someone is really listening to you,

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it touches you on a really deep level. And on

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the other side, if you feel like someone is not

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listening to you, then that touches you as well. But

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I think one of the greatest gifts that we can

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give each other, and a gift that I hope to

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give my guests on the bright side, is the feeling

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of being truly seen. That's something that has been so

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powerful for me when I have friends who I feel

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like truly see me. I know, I'm sure you feel

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that way too, ero So yeah, I just want to

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give people that gift of feeling seen.

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Speaker 1: See. This proves that you and I are walking on

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this same path. And because I don't believe people are

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happy to see me, they're happy that I see them.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's so good. Oh my gosh, that's so good.

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Speaker 1: And that to me is the relationship, that is the communication.

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That's why I like, right now, I'm doing so much

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research on this thing called chaos, and I believe that

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we're in a situation where we're creating chaos to get

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attention and that's not what we're supposed to be doing.

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Speaker 3: What are we supposed to be doing.

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Speaker 1: We're supposed to be working into the channels of peace, forgiveness,

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working into this area where we can work together, collaborate, communicate.

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And I believe that it's not on a text message,

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it's not on an email. We've In fact, I was

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just doing some research today on what's more important, zoom

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or speaking on the telephone, And it's zoom because we

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get to see your facial expressions. And then both of

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us are neither one of us are looking at each

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other right now, but yet we're connected.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly. Wait, I'm so curious to hear where

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you're learning about chaos?

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Speaker 3: Are you reading?

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Speaker 1: I am, what do you? I will dig into everything.

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I mean, I go. I mean if you you would

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look at me in my living room and say you're

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so boring, You're you're just always reading books. You're always

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into this stuff. And because I don't read novels, I

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read you know, things that are about the heart. I

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believe things that are about building the mind, replenishing the soul,

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and not in a religious way, but in a leadership role.

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Speaker 3: What about absolutely.

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Speaker 4: So in terms of what I'm reading right now, reading studying,

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because you your connection with everything is that it's like

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you're wide open, but you're also very protective of that openness.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's so accurate.

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Speaker 2: So I'm lucky because through this show, I'm able to

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enjoy a lot of books for potential guests that come on,

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and there there are a few that stood out to

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me recently. So we have a guest that will be

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that you'll hear on our show soon. Her name is

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Kasha or Boniac, and she wrote a book called Unbound,

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A Woman's Guide to Power. Now, this woman has a

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really interesting, unconventional background. She was studying to be a

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Daoist nun and the way that she paid for that

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for that education was by being a dominatrix in Manhattan,

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that they actually have a lot of overlap. She learned

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so much about power, how to tap into it, and

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how to teach others how to tap into it. And

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she shared what she learned through this book and in

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her interview with me, and I learned so much just

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about the idea of attention, like how can we wield

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attention and how power changes and shifts when our attention

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is out as opposed to when our attention is in

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on our internal landscape. So that's a book that I

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can think of recently that really just got my wheels turning.

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There's there's so many, honestly, But I also love I

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read nonfiction, and I also do love fiction too. I

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love I Love My Dragon and fantasy novels.

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Speaker 1: Please do not move. My conversation with Simone Boys gets

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even deeper. The name of the podcast, The bright Side.

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It's season two. We're with Simone Voice. You brought up

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some memories for me here when you were talking about,

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you know, gaining that power and understanding what you're going

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to do with your power. Because in martial arts, we're

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taught on what is your dongeon doing right now? The

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dongeon is the lower part of your stomach where your

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energy comes from. All of your energy comes from your dongeon.

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And so when I bump into people that really are

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kind of grumpy, I'll go, how tight are your pants

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right now? And they'll say they're pretty tight. Well, your

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dongeon is messed up. And I believe that when when

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you feel loose that energy, your ore comes out and

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and that that to me is what I feel on

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your show, because you talk about health and wellness, you

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talk about how we can learn to like with doctor

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Emily staying emotionally fit. I mean, that's the kind of

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stuff that people want to know, but nobody's talking about

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it unless they find your podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I am so glad you brought up that episode

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with doctor Emily Anhalt. She wrote a book called Flex

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Your Feelings, and this book was so it was this

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of her work is teaching people that, you know, we

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have these traits that we think are fixed in ourselves,

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like curiosity for example. We were talking about that earlier,

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either born a curious person or we're just born without

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that curiosity. But doctor Emily Anhalt challenges us to believe

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that we can actually do exercises and you know, workouts

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to strengthen muscles like curiosity or self awareness. She actually

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said that self awareness is the tool that we all

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need to design our own life because if we have

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those blinders on, then we're not able to really see

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ourselves authentic. Then we can't then make the changes that

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we want to optimize our lives. And she also talked

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our as adults, we lose that sense of play and

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it shows up in conversations whenever you made a stranger, right, Like,

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the one of the tendencies is to ask.

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Speaker 3: Oh, what do you do for work?

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Speaker 2: Now, Arrow, I'm thinking to myself, maybe I'll start asking

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people when's the last time you played?

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Speaker 3: How hard did you play this week? What are you

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doing for play?

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Speaker 1: Or did you have that Selena Gomez cookie yet? Because

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dang it, it's good?

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Speaker 1: It tastes like red velvet cake. It is such an

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incredible Oreo cookie. And what they've done is it's got

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this caramel in it, and and the way that they've

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so amazing that that when you have one, you might

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alone and don't let anybody see you eat that whole package.

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Speaker 2: Aero. This was going really well until you dropped this

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Speaker 3: Because I already have a crumble cookie problem.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I cannot take another cookie addiction in my life.

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Speaker 1: Do you go into these episodes knowing the agenda or

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do you go in there as the listener and then

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then the path comes into play? In other words, you

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give it to the universe and then because of your skills,

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you're able to take it and run with it.

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Speaker 2: Such a great question, Arrow, I've always been someone who

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likes to really prepare for things. I think it just

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makes me feel more confident as a performer and as

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to let go of that, and when to let go

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of the preparation, and when to just let the humanity

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Speaker 1: Ero.

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Speaker 2: It's so evident that you care so much about that.

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I try to make the conversation flow and feel accessible

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for the listener, but also create those pockets for following up.

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about following up and just listening and knowing Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: How about you? How do you approach your interviews?

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Speaker 1: I show a prep a week out. In other words,

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what we were talking, what we're talking about today was

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actually show prepped way last week. And it's only because

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when we come into this conversation, I have gone over

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everything so many times that it's it's got to become

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a conversation. It can't be sitting here going, well, how

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are you doing simone today? Are we going to talk

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about this? Because I mean I want to. Maybe it's

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that curiosity thing, because it's it's and it's not always

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in the question. Sometimes it's in the statement uh.

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Speaker 2: Huh, uh huh exactly like you just did there. I

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see what you did there. Yeah, No, it's so true.

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I think the having that foundation, enough preparation and knowledge

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about the guests then gives you that comfort and that

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confidence to be able to go off the script.

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Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah. Let's talk about Sarah Pain or Spain, because

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because the thing that she does is something that so

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many people in our creative world, we don't know what

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to do when it happens, when those stupid critics say

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no to us. How do we pick ourselves back up

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and say yes, it's a battle and it's like we've

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got to get through this wall, and if we don't,

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oh my god. Which is why Sarah Spain was a

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great guest.

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Speaker 3: She's so inspiring and.

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Speaker 2: I was so motivated by her story talking about how

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she was kind of pushed out of a job, which

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you know, we don't often talk about this, but like

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that comes with a lot of.

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Speaker 3: Shame and embarrassment.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: And those are really heavy emotions to wade through and navigate,

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and we will all experience it at some point in

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our careers. But she recognized that moment as a moment

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for her to rise up and bet on herself, and

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that I think that's what I took away from that

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conversation was the level of discernment that we need to

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have to examine our own life and say, ooh, Okay,

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this did not go the way that I wanted it to,

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but maybe this is actually an opportunity, you know, maybe

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this is an opportunity for me to realize everything that I.

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Speaker 3: Need is already inside of me.

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Speaker 2: For so long, I thought that I needed permission from

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a gatekeeper or you know, permission from a stakeholder in

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order to do this thing that I'm so passionate about.

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But well, when that permission goes away, you got to

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give yourself the green light.

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Speaker 1: Do you live the lifestyle of just get it down?

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you're going, oh, I'll get around to it, No, just

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get it down. Get the idea down, and then build

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Speaker 2: I have a chaotic notes folder on my phone, and

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so that should answer your question right there. I absolutely

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have to write it down because the way my brain works,

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I will I will forget it.

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Speaker 3: Are you that way? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. If I don't get it down, I'll walk away

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and I'll find something new to play with.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, totally, I swear.

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Speaker 2: And I know this is so cliche now because everyone's

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talking about it, but I swear I have undiagnosed ADHD.

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I really need to go get that checked out, and

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because I can only imagine how nice it would be

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to actually be able to focus and hold all these

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thoughts together at once. But I have kind of this

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like chaotic creative brain, which has its benefits too.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that you talk about is relaxation.

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You say that can help us become even better at

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being ourselves. But the problem is, though we've gotten to

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the point now where rain from the sky is creating,

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you know, chaos in our lives, and it's like, how

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are you finding relaxation in this world that is just

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being damaged?

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Speaker 3: M It's so true.

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Speaker 2: I am finding relaxation by giving myself permission to not

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be part of that world, you know, giving myself permission

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to disconnect. I took a social media break earlier this

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year for about three months because the pressure of just

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like keeping up with social media every day and the

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algorithm and feeding the algorithm just really started to impact

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my mental health. And taking a step back and disconnecting

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really allowed my creativity to flourish. I started writing and

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just felt really empowered as a creative and as a storyteller.

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So I think it's about acknowledging. Yeah, I can unplug

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even though this world is chaotic. I can, you know, turn.

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Speaker 3: Off the TV.

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Speaker 2: I don't have to watch the news right now, I

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can log off of social media. I can get outside that.

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Those are the things that helped me and also hang

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out with my kids, starting to I'm with my kids.

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There's nothing like the energy and the joy of a

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child to remind you how to be truly present.

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Speaker 1: In a split second, grandkids become twenty one year olds,

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and that's where I am in life right now, a

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twenty one year old granddaughter. And it's like, how in

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God's name did this happen?

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I can only imagine. That's such a trip,

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the way that time flies.

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Speaker 1: It does. But the good thing about it is I'm

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a daily writer. So it's all documented in these journals,

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and it's and people go, what are you doing that for?

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I don't know. I just know I'm supposed to do it.

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Speaker 3: Wow, no way. So you have journals dating back to.

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Speaker 1: When nineteen ninety four, July of nineteen ninety four.

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Speaker 2: Wow, And what was the catalyst that led you to

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start journaling?

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Speaker 1: Wrote a letter? No, actually no, it wasn't. The letter

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to my sister Julia Cameron's the artist Way.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Julia Cameron. I'm such a big fan.

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I love the Artist's Way. So you started doing you

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started doing your morning pages, my.

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Speaker 1: Morning pages, and I do it to this day.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So Errol, you know what, You're just the homie. Okay,

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because when I was talking about unplugging from everything for

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a few months, I was doing the artist's way and

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I felt so I felt so just aligned and like

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lit up and empowered. Yep, Julia Cameron is my dream

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guest for the bright Side. Fingers crossed that she will

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make her way onto my show later this year. But

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rash that book is such a gift.

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Speaker 1: Reach out to her because she's been on my show.

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I would oh, she hasked, Yes, Oh my god, so

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blown away by it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I need to go back and listen to this.

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Can you quickly tell me everything about it and her

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and what it was like for you.

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Speaker 1: She knew I was a student and she felt it,

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and that's where we put our focus. It wasn't about me,

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you know, doing my daily pages. It was about what

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are you going to do with what you have? And

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so and then we got into the vein of Gold

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and everything else. Because every book is sitting right here

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in this room.

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Speaker 2: Wow, oh that's so cool. Okay, I'm gonna have to

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look up this interview. Can I listen to it online?

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Speaker 1: Please? Yeah? Just go Arrow Collins with an E and

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then Julia Cameron and it'll come up fantastic. We gotta

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get together again. My god, twenty minutes with you is

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not enough.

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Speaker 3: It really is an arrow you are. I mean, talk

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about a gift.

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Speaker 2: You are such a gift to this world, such a

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gifted storyteller. And the way that you listen and you

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can just hear it in your voice. You care so

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much about each person that comes on your show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you will you'd be brilliant today and I expect

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to hear from you on season three.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I can't wait. Thank you, Thank you, Ero