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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, Welcome back to Holly Randall Unfiltered. I have

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a really special guest today. I've actually been following her

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on Instagram for quite a while, and so when she

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reached out to me and said that she was coming

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out to LA, I just felt like this was a

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conversation that was meant to be. She is somebody who

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is truly redefining the conversation around sex work. She's the

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manager of one of Europe's largest legal brothels, and she's

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currently pursuing a PhD on prostitution and policy. She believes

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sex work can be safe, dignified, and even empowering when

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done voluntarily and within a legal framework. We'll talk about

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what really goes on behind the doors of a European club,

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why American men might actually be the best clients, and

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the surprising way that sex work can change lives.

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Speaker 3: Welcome Catherine de Noir. Thank you for having me. Yeah,

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I know, thank you. I'm so excited to have you here.

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Speaker 2: I just find you to be really fascinating and I

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love that you're going out there and you're talking so

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openly about what you do, because I always talk about

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how there's such a mystery and you know, a veil

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over sex work in general, and I, you know, come

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from a many many years in the porn industry, but

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you work on the other side of sex work in

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a brothel. So like there's things that I don't really

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know much about. So I'm excited to learn from you today. Now,

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you started as a psychologist, so what led you to

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brothel management?

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Speaker 4: It was one big coincidence. So I decided to go

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to psychology because like I always had discussion for like

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talking with people, like being around people, and like I

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like to think, like what is going on inside our heads.

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So at some point I was like, Okay, maybe I'll

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just try psychology. And it's like really hard to get in,

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but like I managed to get in, and so I

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started to study psychology, and then I found neuropsychology and

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I did my internship in one of the biggest hospitals

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in my country. And like I originally thought, like I'm

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gonna do neuropsychology, like specifically studying dementias like il tell

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My disease, Parkinson disease, and at some point, like I

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found this article with a guy and he was a

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manager of a brothel and it was called they call

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me pimp, but I protect women. And I was like, ooh,

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this is interesting, and like before that, like I knew

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brothels existed, but like I didn't know anything about them.

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So I was like, okay, cool, let's just read it,

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and like he's actually not my colleagues, so that's funny.

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So he spoke about the way like how they treat

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this business as a regular business, like how they treat

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women with respect, that actually the women they are not

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their employees, but they are independent contractors, and that they

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are actually their clients. And I was like, this dynamic

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is something like I would never think of. And he

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spoke about the role of sexuality society and I finished

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the article and I was like that's it, Like this

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is the work that I want to do for the

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rest of my life.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And it was like very random, So one article change

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his mind in the direction of your life exactly.

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Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, okay, so this is something

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that I want to do. And then I managed to

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find the company he works for and I got like

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a little bit drunk and I decided to write them

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an email. It's like they weren't searching for any like

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new employees, but I was like, just please, like I

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want to work with you. And like I was twenty two,

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I didn't have like any experience with like sex work

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or this industry or the management itself. So I was like,

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just please give me a chance. I want to work

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with you. And I think it was like the worst

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motivational letter like ever. And yeah, by the time I

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finished the letter, I was like pretty dronk, so I

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just say and then I was like that's it, you know,

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like I'll see. And then like a few days later,

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they actually called me or hr she called me and

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she was like, yeah, we read it and it was

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like very original and I was like, oh shit, like

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what I wrote that, Like I'm not quite sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then she.

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Speaker 4: Basically invited me for an interview and I went through

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three rounds of the interviews and at the end like

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I got the job. So yeah, and like since then,

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it's been nine years and I'm still loving it. It's amazing.

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I mean, I'm so glad it. I found this article

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and it was like if you think about it, like

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I couldn't like I could do anything else and like yeah,

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I'm just there and it's amazing.

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Speaker 2: So what position did you apply for or did you

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just write them say I'll do anything.

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Speaker 4: No, I wanted to be the manager.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, you specifically applied to.

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Speaker 4: You know, please give me this job. I mean, I

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ready article. I think it's amazing. I'm willing to learn.

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And it was the time when like so our company

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we used to hire like the grown up managers like

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coming from like hospitality or like nightlifelike bars, those kind

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of stuff, and also like some sort of like corporate managers,

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and like they were really good managers in like those companies,

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but like if you manage people in a brothel, like

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you can't manage them by the power. It's like the

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sex workers. They are not our supportin its. We like

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to like approach them as an equal because they are

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they are independent contractors, so when they work with us,

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they can like they decide about their prices about services,

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they can always refuse the customer, like we never set

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the schedule for them. So so it's different of the

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management and I think like what really helps And those

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people who were coming from like hospitality, like they knew

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like different type of the management. So they were not

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really good managers at brothel. And since I didn't have

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like any concept of like what should I do as

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a manager, like, they basically showed me everything, and like

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over the years, I kind of developed this like very

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unique managerial style, and like I believe, like I'm a

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good manager at a brothel, but like I don't think

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I would be a good manager like anywhere else.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of parallels I can draw here, you know,

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because as a director, you know, obviously directing people in

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videos doing sex work, it is absolutely a job, like

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you said, but you can't manage them like you would

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like regular actors or any other job. There's a strange

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nuance there because on one hand, it is a job,

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it is a performance, but it's also sex. So there's

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like the level of intimacy there that you have to respect,

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and there's a level of vulnerability there that doesn't exist

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in any other job. Really, I don't think, and you

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have to understand that nuance, and not everybody does. Can

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I ask you how many female managers had worked there

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before you?

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Speaker 4: Oh, like before me, I have no idea, but like

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we have, so we have seven managers. We are like

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top two of us, so it's me and my colleague

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and then we have three girls and the rest are guys.

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And it's actually kind of funny because like here in America,

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like most of the managers, like they call themselves smartams,

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they are girls, whereas like in Europe, like most of

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the time, like the managers are guys. So with us,

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it's like a little bit different, like we like to

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have like more girls in a managerial team.

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Speaker 3: But like, yeah, so what drew you?

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, doing this pivotal change, you must

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have obviously had certain feelings about like sex and sex

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work before you made this decision, right, Like was there

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a natural curiosity there? And this is what I.

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Speaker 4: Was always like pretty open about like sex. I like

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to try different things. I used to go to swingers

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quite a lot because like in Europe it's fairly normal.

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It's probably more normal than here, So.

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Speaker 2: I would say, so I was like.

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Speaker 4: Really open about like sex, and this place seemed like

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sex positive place. I was like, yeah, it kind of

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fits into like my own relationship to sex. And like obviously,

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like if I would be like any like brutish type

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of person, like probably I couldn't work there, but like

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since I'm not, and like I respect that, Like everyone

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can do whatever they want with their sexualities. Like they

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can either sell it. They can either share it with

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one person. They can either like decide like not to

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do anything sexual at all, because like I believe that,

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like we own our sexuality. So I guess I'm in

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a good place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how did your family and friends react to this

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career path?

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Speaker 3: For people?

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Speaker 2: Surprised?

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Speaker 4: Yes, Like my friends, they they kind of knew about

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this because like I was so thrilled about the article,

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so like I told them, like I sent them the article,

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I was like, you need to read this. And so

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like my friends, they kind of expect this, but like

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my family, they didn't. So they kind of thought that.

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So most people in my family they either have PhDs

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or I think my father his professor already. So like

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I come from this family, and like everybody is slawyer

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like economists, they do your research, and they kind of

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thought that I will go into that path as well.

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So when I started with the neuropsychology, they were like, good, okay, nice,

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like this is what we kind of wanted you to do.

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And then the brothel happened, and then I needed to

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tell them. So like my father he just said and

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listened and he was like, Okay, that sounds like a

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really good place where you actually take care of the

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women and like you really respect them. So he was cool.

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But my mom she was not. I mean, she didn't

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speak with me for some time, and she was like, oh,

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so you're like you're going to be a pimp or what.

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So like I needed to explain her everything, and like

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eventually she was like, okay, yeah, like probably like you're

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not some sort of like bad pimp, like you know,

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beating girls or something. So yeah, but it took them

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a while, Like especially my mother and I have a

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brother and he's seven years younger than I am. So

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for him, I'm like really cool sister, especially with the

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socials and everything. Like for him, it's like, do you

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know my sister?

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Speaker 2: Does he send like his friends to your place?

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Speaker 3: And big? I really know, I meant count I mean.

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Speaker 4: He never he never tell me this, so like I

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don't know, probably not.

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Speaker 2: So walk me through a typical night at your club.

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What can people expect when they visit a brottle.

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Speaker 4: You basically, so we have stairs, you look up the stairs,

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and there is a reception and our receptionist they will

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first speak with you just to see like whether you

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are drunk or like you're aggressive or something. So in

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case like you are too drunk or you start to

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behave like weirdly like, they will not let you in.

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So first you need to go through a reception and

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buy the entry ticket, which is wellid for twenty four

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hours and it costs like twenty euros like dollars, and

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then you're basically good to go. So there is a

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part with the rooms, and there is a part for

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the customers, so you can either chill at the bar

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or we have like several lunges or like VIP area

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so you can sit there and relax, like and a

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lot of the guys they actually do this. So they

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come to the brothel and they are like, oh, maybe

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like I don't want to see the sex workers yet,

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or maybe I'm just like here to hanging out with

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my friends. So a lot of the guys they actually

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come in and they just like stay at the bar,

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and yeah, some of them they just go like straight

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to the to the rooms. But there's like no pressure

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to like choose the sex workers or like to choose

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the services. Basically you can just like hanging out there

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and if you decide like you want to meet the

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girls or something, you just go there and then it's

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Speaker 2: Okay, So say I want to you know, order a service. Okay,

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what are the next steps there?

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Speaker 4: So you basically need to walk through the hallway and

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the girls, like each of them, they have their own rooms,

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so they are either standing in front of the room

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down in the room. This is pretty much up to them,

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and you just like walk past them. And when you

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see somebody that you like, you need to start to

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speak with her and like ask her, like what do

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you want to do? Like what is your price range?

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Because as I said, like the girls they are deciding

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about the services and about the prices and like everything

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by themselves, so like you need to speak with them,

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and it might happen that she will like refuse you,

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Like she will be like I don't work with you

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for any reason. It's always there right to refuse the customer.

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So you just basically need to speak with the ladies

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and then if she decides that it's okay, you're good

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to go and she will just basically invite you to

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the room, close the door, and then the fun begins.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what if I went in there with a very

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specific thing that I wanted, like say, I really wanted

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to have anal right, like would I.

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Speaker 4: See not actually very specific like a lot of the

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guys okay, the top one surveys the guys won't, so.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay. Actually, so after that question, to be the

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penetrated one, like okay, okay, yeah, sure, okay, I want

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to be penetrated. Okay, Well I said it anal because

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not every girl wants to do anal right, And so

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I was just wondering if if he's told okay, well

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the girls in room three, six and seven anal, but

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none of the rest of them do, or do you

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have to go to each girl?

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Speaker 4: And yeah, you have to go to each girl and

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ask because like one of the things like we don't

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do is like we don't advertise as services because if

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she doesn't feel like doing this service at that moment,

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like and if we say okay, like this girl she

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does X Y Z, and like she wouldn't feel like

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doing it maybe at the time or like maybe with

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that customer, like she would feel pressure to do it,

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so like they all decide like right away.

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Speaker 2: So then, leaning on what you kind of said before,

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what is like the most specific or interesting thing that

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a client has looked for in a brothel?

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Speaker 4: So, I mean I've seen everything, but like the top

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one is like anal sex like they want to be

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the one who's being penetrated gus and like also those

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guys are usually like merrit or in the relationship and

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they're like I would love to try this, like I

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heard it's very pleasurable, but like I don't want to

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ask my partner about it because she might think that

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I'm like weird or like maybe something will change between them.

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So like a lot of the guys who are in relationship,

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they come to brothel to try to be penetrated. And

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like the weirdest one, I think I've seen everything, so

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like different role plays, different type of the Like what

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I like about the brothel is that you get to

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actually see like the erotic fantasies that are like not

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erotic for everyone. So like a lot of the guys

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they have their very specific fantasy and like you would say,

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it's normal. I mean, like, so we have one customer

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and he likes to watch girls eating pizza, like specifically,

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have I pizza with the pineapple on it?

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Speaker 3: And like the kind.

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Speaker 4: I don't, I don't don't know, so like this is

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his fantasy and like the girls are paid for eating

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pizza in front of him.

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Speaker 2: That's all they do. Yeah, Can I can I get

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it in front of somebody all day?

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Speaker 4: And like it's not like this every day? Okay, son?

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Speaker 2: Can I only eat Hawaiian pizza? I mean you can,

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you can, but.

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Speaker 4: Like probably you will not make that kind of money

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just with it, but like maybe you can try it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so, can you explain the rental model why

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women are considered like the clients of them?

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Speaker 4: We actually decide to have this model, and so our

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company it's in the market around like thirty years, so

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we are like kind of old and like the biggest

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companies in Europe, and we kind of decide this because

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we think that this is the most like fair thing

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to do. So when you take the share of sex

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workers earnings, that means that you will want her to

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be working as much as she can because like you

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will make a lot of money. And while when you

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have this rent and the rent it's around two hundred

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dollars for one day, So it doesn't matter if she

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makes like three thousand euros a day or three hundred euros,

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she still paid the same. And we think that this

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is like the fairest model because she can decide like okay.

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Speaker 2: I have enough.

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Speaker 4: But like the negative aspect about this is like you

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need to pay the rent in advance, so like it

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might happen that you will be working and you leave

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a zero or like with minus, and this sometimes happens.

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So I always tell these girls when we have the

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hiring the hiring interview, I always tell them like, look,

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there's possibility that you will pay the money, you will work,

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but like you will not make the money back. So

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and for some girls this is like this is the

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deal breaker. So they would rather go to club where

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they need to share the earnings. But like they start

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with zero and the the worst case scenario is that

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they will leave with zero. But like with us, they

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can live with like minus two hundred zeros.

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Speaker 2: A lot of hairdressers do that. They like rent their

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station and then they do whatever they do there and

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that's and that's how it works.

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Speaker 3: So that makes a lot of sense in this way.

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Speaker 2: So then do girls like reserve the rooms and do

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they are there girls who have a hierarchy in terms

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of being able to book rooms before other girls or

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do they just have to do in an advance.

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Speaker 4: So they have application on their mobile phone, so they

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need to book it through this app, and so they

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can decide like, Okay, I want to book this room

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in like two weeks, and then she just pays the

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rent and that's it. She can always move the rent

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by herself. But like there's like no hierarchy, so the

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first one that pays the room is heard, and yeah,

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so that's that's how we kind of decide.

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Speaker 2: And then I'm assuming that you're, you know, you have

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a selection process in terms of like who you're going

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to allow to write rooms there, because you can't just

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have like hundreds and hundreds of girls, So how does

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that work.

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Speaker 4: We actually don't have like selection process. I mean, if

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she wants to try to work with us, she can.

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So the first day when she works with us, it's

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always free, so like we don't want to take their

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money for something like she doesn't know if it's going

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to work for her or not, So the first day

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is always free and it's not like the selection. I

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mostly just sit down with them and like I show

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them around the club, like how it looks, and then

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I told them the rules, and the rules are like

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they need to decide by themselves, like what type of

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the service, what price, if they will if they will

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refuse the customer or not. And for some girls they

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are coming from clubs where the manager really manage the business.

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They're like, I don't know what to do. It's like,

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you need to bring me the customer. And I'm like,

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look here you are, like I mean we are there

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for you to support you. There's security, but like you

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need to speak to the customer, like you need to

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set the boundaries. It's like you need to do the talking.

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It's like I'm not going to bring you single customer.

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And for some girls they're like I don' want to

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work here. It's like I need somebody to bring me

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the customer and then I'll do the service, but like

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I don't want to talk with him, like I don't

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know how. There is not a set so we don't

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have even like a like a price list, because every

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girl has her own prices, so they need to be

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able to negotiate the prices. They need to be able

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to negotiate the boundaries. And this is something that I

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always tell the new girls, like we are here to

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support you, but like you need to also stand up

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for yourself and you need to be able to communicate.

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And so if she if she hears this and she's like, okay, yeah,

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I can do this, then I'm like, okay, yeah, then

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you can work with us. But like if you think

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that this might not be good for you, it's like,

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I don't want to put you in position where you

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will feel like stress or something. So some of the

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girls they are like, no, I don't want to work

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with you because I just can't do this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that makes sense, because I mean establishing boundaries can

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be difficult and it's easy to get maybe pushed into

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doing something you're not entirely comfortable with, especially if the

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client offers more money.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, exactly, this is always what I'm telling the girls,

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and especially when they are new in the business. I'm like, look,

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a lot of people will offer you a lot of

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money for services, and like it's up to you if

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you will decide it you will do them or not,

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because like I'm not your boss, but you need to

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decide and like there might be some consequences, and like

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think about it in like long terms, so like you

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will maybe do it once, but like then you will

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not be able to work for another we so like

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think about those at least like financial consequences, or like

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think about it in like long term and try to

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figure out some like strategy.

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because I'm sure that this is something people are probably

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thinking about. Do you have safety measures at the clubs?

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They're like a button that they hit if they're like

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getting troubled exactly that.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, exactly, I mean, this is one of the

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measures that we have. So the first is the reception.

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So if you are like drunk, drugged, aggressive, like the

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guys and the girls working in reception, like, they will

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not let you in. The second one is that when

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we see that you already hit enough, because like a

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lot of the people when they go to brothel, they

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think that they can do like whatever, and they like

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to drink a lot. So when we see that you

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already hit enough, we are like, maybe you should go home,

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like sleep a little bit. You can always come the

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next day because the ticket is valid for twenty four hours,

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so you can always come back. Maybe today it's not

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your day. So this is second one. And the third

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one is that the girls they all have panic button

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in the in the room, so when she presses the

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panic button, the guys in from reception they need to

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be there within eight seconds from the time when she

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press it.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow.

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Speaker 4: And they are trained like quite regularly, so every month

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they need to go through this training. Even though they

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are with us like for many years, they still need

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to repeat it. And we also have like new people,

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so they need to learn it and they need to

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know it by hard because eight seconds it's like really

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short time. So they need to know where exactly the

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brothel room is, Like what's the shortest way? Like they

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need to communicate with us. They need to so two

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of them, they need to decide, like who's gonna go there.

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So it's like big procedure we need to that we

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need to show them like how to do.

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Speaker 2: And is this a procedure that you as the company created, Yeah,

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this is just.

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Speaker 4: Us, Like I've never seen anybody doing the procedure the same.

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I was in Amsterdam, and like I spoke with some

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of the workers, so they are my friends and they

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work there, and I was like, so, like what will

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happen if I will press the panic button? She was like, well, maybe,

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like somebody will come in like three minutes. Maybe not.

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I was like three minutes. It's a long time because

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like we have eight seconds because like somebody told us,

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like when you strangle somebody, it takes eight seconds until

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you lose the consciousness. So like they need to be

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there that fast.

480
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 3: Wow, that's crazy.

481
00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 2: How do you collaborate with police or government agencies? Because

482
00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:30,640
you know, brothels are illegal here in California, but in

483
00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:33,039
Nevada they are, so we have all kinds of strange

484
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,359
rules against it. But brothels are not legal everywhere in

485
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,559
Europe just certain I mean Amsterdam, obvious.

486
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,279
Speaker 4: It kind of depends. So we have like few things

487
00:25:44,319 --> 00:25:46,880
that we need to go through, like throughout of the years.

488
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,799
So we have like hygiene inspection coming in. We have

489
00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:52,599
tax office, so we obviously need to pay taxes and

490
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,920
we need to pay correct amount. Then we have the police.

491
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:01,119
They are usually coming every two or something for a

492
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,319
check up, and they speak with the girls, they speak

493
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:09,079
with us, so that's it. Then we also need to

494
00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:13,079
follow all the rules that we need to follow, and

495
00:26:13,319 --> 00:26:14,240
so this is what we do.

496
00:26:14,599 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 2: What are like some of the specific rules that you

497
00:26:17,559 --> 00:26:19,240
have in order to have a brothel.

498
00:26:19,519 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 4: So we can't advertise the services, so we can't say

499
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,920
like this girl will do this service for this amount

500
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,440
of money, Like this is what we can't say because

501
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,240
they are independent constructors, so they need to decide about

502
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,039
this by themselves. I know that some of the clubs,

503
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,279
they they kind of don't care about this, so they

504
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,319
just have the price list on their website. But like

505
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,640
we are very big and like we are really official,

506
00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:47,119
so like we want to follow the.

507
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 3: Rules because you're a big target exactly.

508
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,839
Speaker 4: I mean, like since we are the biggest ones, I mean,

509
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,279
you know, we can't really break the rules even though

510
00:26:57,319 --> 00:26:58,720
like we don't want to, but like.

511
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,599
Speaker 2: Can you you advertise the brothel itself weekend?

512
00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 4: So like this is what we can do. We also

513
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:11,240
can't advertise that we are hiring anybody, so we can't say, hey, girls,

514
00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:13,759
we are having like those very lovely rooms, come to

515
00:27:13,799 --> 00:27:16,880
work with us. We can't do that either. We can't

516
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,119
advertise the brothel itself, like guys, you can come here

517
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,880
have a good time, but we can't say like what

518
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,680
specific time they will have.

519
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:30,759
Speaker 2: What about testing? What's your take on mandatory STI testing

520
00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:32,279
in the US versus Europe?

521
00:27:32,759 --> 00:27:35,519
Speaker 4: So I heard it in the US it's seven days.

522
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 3: It depends. Yeah, yeah, it depends, so I think.

523
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,799
Speaker 2: And I haven't directed in like two and a half years,

524
00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:46,519
but it used to be thirty days, like that's like

525
00:27:46,599 --> 00:27:49,440
a while ago. And then it turned to and this

526
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,440
is all self regulated, right, like the industry is a

527
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:57,920
collective kind of decided upon this. It's two weeks, fourteen

528
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,240
days now, I believe, I believe it's but certain girls

529
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,759
can request shorter time periods. Certain girls can be like

530
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,079
certain girls be like I want a one day test. Yeah,

531
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,759
you know, you have to test a day before I

532
00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:10,720
work with you. And that's entirely to them.

533
00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 4: So in Europe it kind of depends on the state.

534
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,200
So some states they don't regulate this at all, like

535
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,200
it's up to the worker to go to get tested

536
00:28:20,319 --> 00:28:23,000
or like not to get tested. This is on her

537
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:28,480
because the condoms are always mandatory. So like technically like

538
00:28:28,519 --> 00:28:33,000
they like the test like shouldn't even be a thing

539
00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:38,559
in some places. But in so for example, in Austria,

540
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:43,079
there is eight weeks that the testing period, so like

541
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,839
every eight weeks the sex workers they need to go

542
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,000
to get tested. And what happened in Austria is that

543
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:54,279
the managers of those clubs they kind of decided that

544
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,960
they are healthy, so they should provide like oral sex

545
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,400
without a condom because this is what the clients ones,

546
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:06,920
and so the girls because they are healthy, and it

547
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,960
kind of provides you this like like false false feeling

548
00:29:12,039 --> 00:29:16,720
of safety. This is what kind of led to managers

549
00:29:16,759 --> 00:29:20,519
to push some women to do this, And like, I

550
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,680
don't think it's great because like you should decide about

551
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,799
your own body. So it kind of depends like how

552
00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:30,839
are you going to approach it. It's like it can be

553
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,480
a good thing, it can be like absolutely shitty thing.

554
00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:37,599
Speaker 2: Have you ever had this situation where like a girl

555
00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:42,680
has not used condoms or you know, has has a

556
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,640
certain client that pays extra for not using condoms and

557
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,160
then you find out, I mean, is there any way

558
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,039
you can enforce that?

559
00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:53,559
Speaker 4: So since they are independent contractors, Like I don't really

560
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,319
know what is going on in side of that room

561
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,319
unless she told me. So I know that some of

562
00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:02,400
the girls they are offering extra, which is like or

563
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,799
without a condom. This is like the the most common

564
00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:10,720
extra and I think it's like everywhere in Europe. So

565
00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:14,440
some of the girls they do this, they choose the

566
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,720
clients like with whom they will do it, but like

567
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:21,759
sex without a condom, I don't think like I've ever

568
00:30:21,799 --> 00:30:24,839
heard this, because like they know it's their safety, it's

569
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,000
their body, and like they don't want to risk it

570
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:30,839
for any amount of money and just to give you

571
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,319
like the context, Like the best earning women that works

572
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:36,200
with us, they make around like fifty thousand dollars a month,

573
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,839
so like they are not willing to risk it for

574
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:40,400
I don't know.

575
00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:43,599
Speaker 2: So the women who make who are the most popular

576
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,519
and make the most amount of money at your club,

577
00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:49,200
What are some common like traits that you see in them?

578
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:52,759
Like what makes a girl like a really great as

579
00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:55,240
we call in person sex worker.

580
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,759
Speaker 4: So a lot of the people they think that it's

581
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,599
just because of the way how she looks, but that's

582
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,400
definitely not that. Like those women, they are like really

583
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:09,200
hard working workers. They usually work like six or five

584
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:12,359
days a week, like twelve hours, just like they are

585
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,160
really like determined to earn a lot of money. And

586
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,000
they usually stay in the industry for like five six years,

587
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,079
and they like I'm all set up, like I don't

588
00:31:21,079 --> 00:31:24,359
need to work, And they have like a really big

589
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,920
like clientele base, so they have like a lot of regulars.

590
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,599
It's not even about the services. It's mostly like how

591
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,079
good you can be with people, And that's like the

592
00:31:35,079 --> 00:31:38,839
most common trade. I would say, like being empathetic and

593
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,519
like know how to speak with people and like be

594
00:31:41,599 --> 00:31:45,079
a really good salesperson because like you need to you

595
00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:47,680
need to pursue them, like to spend a lot of

596
00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:50,400
money with you. And like once the guy is in

597
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,839
the room, they're like, he's not leaving until he will

598
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,480
buy me a lot of money. And they know how

599
00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:58,559
to do this, and they know how to do this,

600
00:31:58,759 --> 00:32:02,160
and like the guy, he doesn't pressured, like he feels

601
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,160
like I had a really good time.

602
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:06,359
Speaker 2: My wallet's much lighter.

603
00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean I enjoyed it.

604
00:32:08,319 --> 00:32:15,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what are the biggest misconceptions about brothels or

605
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,720
the women who work in it that you can.

606
00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:20,359
Speaker 4: There's so many. So like a lot of the people

607
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:25,960
they think that sex workers are like some miserable human beings,

608
00:32:26,039 --> 00:32:31,279
like this is their last resort and like they come

609
00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:35,519
to displace because they like rationally decided that this is

610
00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:37,880
the best possible way, like how to earn money or

611
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,920
like to have fun. Because like a lot of the

612
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,279
people they kind of assume that, like sex workers are

613
00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:46,039
there just to get the money. And that's correct. I mean,

614
00:32:46,119 --> 00:32:49,680
like you can't ignore the monetary aspect, Like if you

615
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,680
are making like fifty thousand dollars the money you can be.

616
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,359
Speaker 2: Like yeah, whatever, all of us get Yeah, I mean

617
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,200
all of us work for money, right, and if you

618
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,759
can find a position that hays you more here usually

619
00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:02,279
get take it as long as what you do falls

620
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:04,279
in line with what you're comfortable with exactly.

621
00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:05,799
Speaker 4: But like a lot of the girls, they are coming

622
00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:08,599
to the industry and they're like, look, I love the nightlife.

623
00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:11,240
I like to get the attention from the guys. I

624
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:13,440
mean I would do this probably for free. So like

625
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,920
why I should have like a bad sex for free

626
00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:20,880
when I can take money for the same thing. And

627
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,839
a lot of the girls they have this like some

628
00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:26,119
sort of like adventures. So some of them they are

629
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,680
married and like the guy that is their husband, like

630
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,279
they have no idea.

631
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 3: Oh my god, where do they think they go?

632
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 4: Well, usually they say that they either work at the

633
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,319
bar or they are like private babysitters and they work

634
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,039
during the night, and like the guy had no idea exactly.

635
00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:48,400
I mean sometimes sometimes it's very close to babysitting.

636
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:50,079
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Wow.

637
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,759
Speaker 4: Like the husbands, they have like no idea and like

638
00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:55,839
they have all the tricks like how to how to

639
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,880
hide it, and they just basically have this like as

640
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,200
a huge adventure and then like after six am, they

641
00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:05,160
just go back to their husband and they like live

642
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:08,000
the normal life. Right. A lot of the people they

643
00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:10,239
think that, like the sex workers, they are like desperate

644
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,719
and like they didn't have like any other choices. But

645
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,719
the truth is at least like what I see, so

646
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,519
like I only see like small part of the industry,

647
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:23,679
and like we are talking about like indoor voluntary sex work,

648
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:28,320
like we are not talking about sex trafficking. So a

649
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,519
lot of the people they think that sex workers they

650
00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:33,400
don't have any other choices, but like this is something

651
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,440
that I don't see because like most of the women

652
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,079
they have different choices, like they used to work in

653
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:44,000
different like industries like retail or like sales or something.

654
00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:46,559
But they were like I have enough. It's like I

655
00:34:46,559 --> 00:34:49,039
can't do this anymore. It's like the money isn't worthy.

656
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,480
Like maybe I will just try this. And like one

657
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:54,960
of my really good friends from the industry, she's a lawyer.

658
00:34:55,079 --> 00:34:57,519
She speaks six languages, and like she's still in the

659
00:34:57,559 --> 00:35:01,199
industry because she's like, I mean makes sense, like financially,

660
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:01,960
it makes sense.

661
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: So how do women describe the empowerment that they feel

662
00:35:06,039 --> 00:35:08,360
in this line of work, because obviously you talk to

663
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,199
these girls on like a day to day basis.

664
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, well they don't describe it as empowerment, Like they

665
00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:16,519
don't use this word, but like usually what I hear

666
00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:19,159
it's like I like to get the attention. I mean

667
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,360
I feel like really powerful with the money because like

668
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,639
now they are in this place where they can like

669
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:30,039
afford everything, and like it's like nothing, it's it's a

670
00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:33,000
problem for them. So they can buy the houses, they

671
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,679
can invest in properties, they can travel, they can do

672
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,159
like whatever they want. So like this gives them like

673
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,920
the sense of like I earned this. I mean, this

674
00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:47,280
is what died it, Like I'm not depending on anyone. Also,

675
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,800
like the attention of the guys and the fact that

676
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,280
like they are their own boss. So usually when they

677
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,400
decide to quit the industry and they want to go

678
00:35:56,559 --> 00:36:00,400
to like normal job and all of this and they

679
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,280
have the boss. I often see them coming back to

680
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,719
the industry and they're like I don't need the money anymore,

681
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,079
but like I don't want to be like anybody is

682
00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:12,239
supporting it. It's like I felt like shit, Like they

683
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,159
treat me like shit. So like this sense of like

684
00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:21,840
this is me. I'm deciding about my buddy, about my services,

685
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:26,039
about my own money, Like this gives them like the pleasure.

686
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:31,079
Speaker 2: To just like the financial freedom and the ability to

687
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:33,519
be independent and all. I mean it's the same.

688
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 4: I mean also the attention. So like a lot of

689
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,400
them like you can I.

690
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,639
Speaker 2: Be somebody who likes me al attention to do this job?

691
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:40,119
Speaker 4: Yeah?

692
00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:45,519
Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah. So what's the most surprising client request you've seen?

693
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:48,119
I mean, I know you've seen like a lot, but

694
00:36:48,159 --> 00:36:51,480
there's has there ever been anything where Loide the pizza guy,

695
00:36:51,679 --> 00:36:52,760
the pizza guy is the most surprised.

696
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,039
Speaker 4: I mean, I love the guy who came in and

697
00:36:56,119 --> 00:36:58,599
he was dressed as a polar bear. So he had

698
00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:02,199
this huge polar bear go and we were like, what

699
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,880
is going on here? And he was like, yeah, well

700
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,320
it's my fantasy. And like we have this procedure when

701
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,920
you are entering the club, you need we need to

702
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:10,760
see your face.

703
00:37:11,639 --> 00:37:13,639
Speaker 2: So we were like just walking as a polar bear

704
00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:15,280
and skate on pap no.

705
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 4: I mean, we need it, like him to take off

706
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,800
the head so we can like see his face. Because

707
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,719
we have also like a blacklist of the people that

708
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,840
are like blacklist states, so we need to make sure

709
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,320
that he's not on that list. So and also because

710
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,159
of the CCTV, so he needed to take it off

711
00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:33,559
and he was like, yeah, well this is like my

712
00:37:33,639 --> 00:37:36,119
fantasy is like I want to play like a polar

713
00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:38,760
bear costume fantasy, like she will be the one who's

714
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,480
going to haunt me and like at the end, like

715
00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:43,480
she will haunt me and like we will have sex.

716
00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:46,880
That is okay, Like why not?

717
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:48,039
Speaker 3: Yeah?

718
00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 2: I think we call that furriese here, like people who

719
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,559
like to dress up as animals.

720
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, but this was like specifically the polar bear. Yeah,

721
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,800
it wasn't like I know the furries, but this was

722
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,119
like specifically like him being a polar bear in like

723
00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:07,519
the polar circle and like she needs to hunt him.

724
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:10,719
So there was this aspect of like power play and

725
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:11,800
I actually loved it.

726
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so interesting. I wonder why polar bear specifically.

727
00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:19,760
He must have had some kind of fascination with polar

728
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,280
bears growing up or something like that.

729
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 4: I don't know, or maybe he just had a like

730
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,159
spara costume and he managed to create this fantasy around it.

731
00:38:27,199 --> 00:38:28,119
Speaker 2: Is it a good costume?

732
00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:31,039
Speaker 4: It was nice? I mean I have pictures and it

733
00:38:31,159 --> 00:38:34,920
was like nice because we obviously took a picture of him.

734
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 3: Does he have sex? With the costume still on.

735
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think that would be possible. I

736
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,199
think like at some point he needed to at least like.

737
00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 3: Lower the like unless he's a special hole. Maybe he's

738
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,559
a flat I don't know.

739
00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know. I didn't ask it. Maybe

740
00:38:51,519 --> 00:38:51,840
I should.

741
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: I'm so curious to know if he like stays in

742
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,559
the costume, because I mean, you know, like mascot costumes

743
00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:01,639
that they smell because people look sweat them, and I

744
00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:04,400
mean I can't, but like some people they like it

745
00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:06,599
so to each their own.

746
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I love to see this. I mean

747
00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:11,280
I love to see people getting creative about like the

748
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,719
sexuality and like this is specifically what I love about

749
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,840
like working in brothel because you can see like a

750
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,440
lot of fantasies and like you can't like you don't

751
00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:26,239
need to like identify with anything, so like the brothel

752
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,519
is usually like a playground where you can like try

753
00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:32,400
different things. Like we have the pressure of like identify yourself,

754
00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:35,880
like okay, are you straight or like are you into BDSM.

755
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:40,199
It's like this this like Western obsession with like identify

756
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:45,199
identifying ourselves so we can be like readable for others,

757
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,440
Like you don't need to do this in brothel. It's

758
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,599
like you can go there and be like, okay, I

759
00:39:49,639 --> 00:39:51,800
want you to fuck me in like this, this and this,

760
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,960
and I want to wear like a polar bear costume,

761
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:57,920
and like you don't need to confess to anything. You

762
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,079
don't need to be like okay, well, like, guys, I'm

763
00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:04,760
in two this please No, you can just like try

764
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,400
it and then you will see.

765
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it sounds like a wonderful place of

766
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:15,920
non judgment. Yeah, yeah, experiment. Because sex is multifaceted. There's

767
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,599
a lot of different ways that you can enjoy sex,

768
00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:22,840
and being polar bears one of them exactly.

769
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,199
Speaker 4: And even though like the sex it's not involved, I

770
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,880
still like that people like to get creative and like

771
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,480
even though you're like okay, but like she didn't have

772
00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:34,320
sex with him, but it was still a service. And

773
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,559
it doesn't matter if it's like dynamic play or if

774
00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:40,719
it's just talking. A lot of the guys they actually

775
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,440
come to brothel just to talk. So sometimes the girls

776
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,519
say like, like I feel like a therapist. Yeah, Like

777
00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:48,440
a lot of the guys they are like, listen, I

778
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,800
have this problem with my wife, Like can you please

779
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,679
maybe help me with the girls, Like, I.

780
00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 2: Mean they charge them for that, right, Yeah, they do.

781
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,400
They have a rate for they charge my therapy rate.

782
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 4: Charge a lot for this actually because like sometimes the

783
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,719
guys they can go like three four hours, and it's

784
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,519
like it's a lot of emotional labor.

785
00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like this is something that a lot.

786
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 4: Of the people they actually don't don't know about the

787
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,679
sex worker as well. It's like it's emotional labor. So

788
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,559
a lot of the time you actually spent talking, you

789
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:23,760
spent like comforting each other or like you spent talking

790
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,320
about the boundaries or like something. But it's not just

791
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,880
about sex. Yeah, mostly it's actually not.

792
00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:32,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I heard that from a lot of

793
00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:35,440
girls who escort, you know, and that most of the

794
00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:39,199
date is talking and the sex might be like five

795
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,440
you know exactly, but like it's a four or five

796
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,599
hour date exactly. And I think that there's something about

797
00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:50,119
sex workers where men can really feel not judged because

798
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,599
so many people, especially in this country, grow up with

799
00:41:53,679 --> 00:41:56,920
such a sense of shame around sex, you know, when

800
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,320
they were raised in a family where sex is bad,

801
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,760
you don't talk about its taboo, And so when you

802
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,760
have these desires that you want to act upon like

803
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,039
any woman that you would meet in a bar. Like,

804
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:10,119
you know, if this guy went to a bar and

805
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:12,599
met some girl and took her home, was like, hey,

806
00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:14,440
do you mind if I wear a polar bear costume?

807
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,239
She would probably be like, oh, I'm getting that, you

808
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,400
know what I mean? And that is the one place

809
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,599
where you know you're really not judged. It's it's kind

810
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:27,239
of a very freeing thing about it. So you've said

811
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,920
that American men are often the best customers.

812
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 4: Why is that because they are not so used to

813
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:38,039
seeing sex workers and so they are like super polite.

814
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,719
Usually they are like they need to get themselves like

815
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,119
a little bit wrong because they are like not used

816
00:42:43,159 --> 00:42:47,119
to it. Yeah, so like with us, Yeah, like with us,

817
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:50,280
like walking in the city and like you see the brothels,

818
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,440
it's like they are part of the city. So like

819
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,559
for you, like for the Europeans, it feels like normal

820
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,639
to be around brothels and at least like you know

821
00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:02,960
about them and like you probably have some friends and

822
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,079
they want to want so like you know, it's a

823
00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:09,079
thing and you know like how to behave at least,

824
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:12,400
But like Americans, like they don't know what to expect

825
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,760
to they're like can I please? And can I? And

826
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,840
I think it's really nice because like when you are

827
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,559
asking the sex workers like please, can I do this?

828
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,199
I think it actually shows like respect. And so some

829
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,559
of the workers they like really like to work with

830
00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:30,000
Americans because like they are really respectful because like they

831
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,360
are a little bit scared, and they also don't have

832
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,559
like the bad heabas because like sometimes the guys when

833
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:39,679
they are a regulars, they're like, yeah, well, maybe like

834
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,000
I can I can push the boundary a little bit more.

835
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:46,119
It's like I can negotiate, like I can handle like

836
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,239
Americans like they don't do.

837
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 3: This, yeah, because they're not coming in all the time.

838
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 2: I can definitely see it, how I mean, you know

839
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,679
I see this on only fans. I'm sure you probably

840
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,719
do too. Like I've spent a lot of money on

841
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,840
you can I get scared, So I can definitely see

842
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,719
that happening for sure. How do European clients differ from

843
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,559
American ones just in that sense or anything I would say?

844
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 4: And maybe this is just like my impression, but like

845
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,920
the guys from Europe, they are like not so uptight

846
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:19,639
about it. Like for them, it's like it's like a

847
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,760
normal experience to go to brothel, whereas like the Americans

848
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,039
say like, oh my god, I went to the brothel.

849
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:28,960
It's something. I mean, it's like one of the biggest

850
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,760
experiences in my life. And like the European guys are

851
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,719
like more chilled. Maybe they just go to the berthel

852
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,400
and they don't even engage with the sex workers. So

853
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,239
it's just like the place where they can like to

854
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,599
hang out. But Americans, when they are in a brothel,

855
00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:46,400
they need to try a lot of things, and they're like,

856
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,440
just take the picture of me. It's like I am here.

857
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:51,639
You know, I'm gonna tell all my friends about this,

858
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,800
whereas like for us, it's like yeah, I mean, as

859
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,159
you said, like for us, it's a normal thing. I

860
00:44:57,159 --> 00:44:59,880
mean we are surrounded by it. Like also the sex

861
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:03,360
culture is different in Europe, but like here in America,

862
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,239
it's like a big thing to go to the brothels. Yeah,

863
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,360
they're like, oh my god, I need to try everything

864
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,760
and those kind of stuff.

865
00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 3: So what about female clients, do you have many of those?

866
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:18,679
Speaker 4: Not many, We do have some. So some of the

867
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,239
girls they come to the brothel and these are like

868
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,360
usually the girls are like maybe I want to try

869
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,880
something I'm not quite sure. I'm like I was always

870
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,079
curious about this, and I want to do this in

871
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:35,000
a safe environment. Not every sex worker, though, works with

872
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:38,360
female clients, so for them it's like something different and

873
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,440
it kind of it's not part of their routine, so

874
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,400
they are like not used to it. So some of

875
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,480
them they're like no, I just like don't want to

876
00:45:46,519 --> 00:45:50,840
do this, which is like fine. We actually had one

877
00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:53,119
and it was really cool. So we had actually one

878
00:45:53,159 --> 00:45:54,920
group of the girls and they came in and they

879
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,960
were like from I guess like Middle East or something.

880
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,920
They looked like princess, like Arabic princes, and they actually

881
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,280
sit down and they were like, this is part of

882
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,360
our culture. So when we are like starting with the

883
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,519
sex sex life, we need to be initiated by somebody

884
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:16,400
who like is more experienced. So they actually sit down

885
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,719
and they went they went to the room with the

886
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,960
girls and they were just asking about the things. It's like, okay,

887
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,079
so like what I should do, if what I should

888
00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:27,559
do one? So I think this is cool.

889
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:30,039
Speaker 2: Well they just had like a class. Oh yeah, it's

890
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:33,880
like a workshop. Yeah, exactly, so interesting.

891
00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:34,519
Speaker 3: Yeah.

892
00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 2: Wow, So do you actually have any men that ever

893
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:40,800
went after why.

894
00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 4: Would you love them working there? But no, we only

895
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,079
have girls, you like, no boys. No, we are like

896
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:49,679
pretty open to everyone. So we used to have like

897
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,639
few trans people in a past, but we never had boys,

898
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,119
and I think it's a shame. But they have their

899
00:46:56,159 --> 00:47:00,599
own places and like we are very like atterosexual place

900
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,679
for them, it's it's not a good place to make money.

901
00:47:05,079 --> 00:47:10,519
And as for like the girls as a clients to

902
00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:13,920
do the male sex workers, like girls, they don't usually

903
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:14,719
want to pay for.

904
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 3: This service because they can usually get it for free.

905
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,599
Speaker 4: Exactly like I think it's like so if I had

906
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:23,440
the opportunity, like I would definitely like to try it,

907
00:47:23,519 --> 00:47:26,599
because I think it's like much more safer than like

908
00:47:26,679 --> 00:47:29,239
go to the bar and like pick up some random guy.

909
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,199
You don't know who the person is. It's like you

910
00:47:32,199 --> 00:47:34,679
don't know what is going to happen, and like he's

911
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,639
definitely not there to make you feel good. I mean

912
00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:40,760
he's there to make him feel good.

913
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 2: So wow, this is sort of like a little bit

914
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,920
off topic, but this is like the one place where

915
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,960
I feel I can I can fit in this interesting

916
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,360
piece of information because it's blew my mind. So there

917
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,280
was like a friend of the family that I was

918
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,800
talking to who wanted to have a kid. And she's single,

919
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,760
and so, you know, I assume she doing vitro like

920
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,760
most single women do, and so I was talking to

921
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,840
her about it. You know, it's very expensive. We're you

922
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,559
gonna go for the procedure, and she's like, oh, no, no, no,

923
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,440
I'm getting impregnated like by a man naturally. And I

924
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,320
was like, well, what do you mean. So there is

925
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,000
like a group and I don't want to say the

926
00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:16,960
name of it because I don't want to call it out,

927
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,800
but apparently there's this group on Facebook I think is

928
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,360
where she found them, where you can literally go and

929
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,480
pay a man to impregnate you with the child.

930
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,760
Speaker 4: Okay, how much you need to pay, I.

931
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,559
Speaker 2: Don't know, but it's a lot less than vuture, I'll

932
00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:33,320
tell you that, Okay, Yeah, and fature will be like

933
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:34,519
one hundred thousand.

934
00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 3: Dollars, Like hundred thousand dollars.

935
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. I know people who've spent that much because they've

936
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,280
had to do it time because it didn't work. With this,

937
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,559
you just keep this kind of makes sense, I mean,

938
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:46,440
like way cheaper.

939
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:49,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, buss, you have the sex, which is a good thing.

940
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just never I was like, that is nuts,

941
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:54,960
but yeah.

942
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 3: That's a thing.

943
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it kind of makes sense.

944
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 2: It does make sense, right, I mean if you can't

945
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:05,760
afford in beat your fertilization, which most people can anyways,

946
00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:09,000
I just like, yeah, they just felt like I just

947
00:49:09,039 --> 00:49:11,719
slide that little piece of information in there. Can you

948
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,280
break down the key differences between European clubs and Nevada brothels?

949
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:16,480
Have you been to the brothels? Yeah?

950
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I visited four of them. It's completely different. I

951
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,159
mean just the location, so they are like in such

952
00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:26,960
a remote locations. Like the rules that the girls need

953
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,679
to follow, I mean the places itself. It were like

954
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,079
they were nice, but like the rules that they need

955
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:37,000
to follow. I was like, this is like a little

956
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:40,400
bit steep, because like they need to be on the side,

957
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,320
Like they can't leave. So when they are working, they

958
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,159
need to work. Like the brothel they take the fifty

959
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,400
percent of them, plus they on top of that they

960
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,280
pay the rent as well. So but the rent was

961
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,920
like sixty dollars or like I think it was like

962
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,119
around one hundred dollars or something. I don't I don't know. So,

963
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:02,719
but so they need to pay the rent, they need

964
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:08,559
to pay the percentages and like they can't leave. And

965
00:50:08,639 --> 00:50:12,280
this is something that really like stuck with me because

966
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:16,559
like imagine that like somebody tells you, okay, you can work,

967
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:21,280
but like there's basically like no autonomy, like you need

968
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,280
to stay there, like we will police you and like

969
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:29,400
we will check you, and like okay. The prices in

970
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,880
Nevada were like definitely higher. I mean it started with

971
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,119
like thousands, Like one thousand I think was the was

972
00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:40,079
the base. You will not see this in Europe mostly,

973
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,079
so like Europe is like fairly cheap when you compare

974
00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:45,599
this to to Nevada.

975
00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:47,519
Speaker 2: So what's like maybe an aver if I just want

976
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:52,239
to straight up regular missionary boy girl sex.

977
00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:58,559
Speaker 4: I would say for for half an hour, it's like

978
00:50:58,639 --> 00:50:59,679
one hundred and fifty.

979
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 2: Euros, Okay, so it's like I think that's six six Yeah,

980
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,039
I don't know. Now, last time I checked it was

981
00:51:07,079 --> 00:51:10,440
like not exactly double, but that was a while ago.

982
00:51:10,519 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 4: So yeah, I guess it's like two hundred dollars and

983
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,760
like you're good. Yeah, I think that this gives you

984
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,400
nowhere in America, so like nobody will ever even talk

985
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,599
with you for like two hundred dollars. So the girls

986
00:51:24,639 --> 00:51:28,719
they are like making like less amount of the customer

987
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,639
throughout the day, but I guess like the money and

988
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,519
also like they need to pay the taxes, and like

989
00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:36,800
here the taxes are like much more bigger because like

990
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,039
everything goes through the club like very officially. Yeah, so

991
00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:42,519
the club they know like how much they are making,

992
00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:45,079
whereas like with us, a lot of the girls they

993
00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:48,199
just don't pay the taxis. Like they pay some sort

994
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,519
of taxes, but like don't pay the taxis in fully

995
00:51:50,519 --> 00:51:53,239
because like nobody knows how much they are making. So

996
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,039
they're like I was just declared like the absolute minimum.

997
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 2: So it's usually a cash business. Oh yeah, they don't

998
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,880
take it out benmo or paf.

999
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:05,079
Speaker 4: No, no, no, like the papal or like rehold or something.

1000
00:52:05,159 --> 00:52:09,960
They are very exactly so like mostly they just take

1001
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,800
the cash. Some of the girls they to like bitcoins

1002
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:14,039
in a past, but like.

1003
00:52:14,199 --> 00:52:16,599
Speaker 2: I'm assuming you have an ATM machine on insite, Oh.

1004
00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:19,039
Speaker 4: Yeah we do. And like most of the guys, they

1005
00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:21,480
also like to use cash because it leaves no tracy.

1006
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 2: Yes, yes that makes sense from your perspective as a psychologist.

1007
00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:29,239
What role does shameplay and how society sees sex work,

1008
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:33,119
And do you see a huge distinction between America and Europe?

1009
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 3: May I know the answer to that, I'm just gonna

1010
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:35,760
ask anything.

1011
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 4: Well, I see like a huge difference between like America

1012
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,599
and Europe. But like still overall people are like so

1013
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:48,400
anxious about sex life and like sexuality, So we need

1014
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:53,920
to confess about our sexuality. Like we are constantly checking

1015
00:52:54,039 --> 00:52:56,159
whether we are having like a lot of sex with

1016
00:52:56,559 --> 00:53:00,440
we are having like less sex than usual, like if

1017
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,679
we should do this in like most normal way, Like

1018
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,000
we are constantly like checking ourselves like if the sex

1019
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,960
we are having is normal. And I just really don't

1020
00:53:11,039 --> 00:53:14,840
like this like western perspective, So like sex should be

1021
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,400
something that it's like, it's like joyful, it gives you

1022
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,239
pleasure and like as long as like everybody consent, and

1023
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,960
like you're doing this because you want to and the

1024
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,800
person or like the people around you who are like

1025
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,880
you know, doing this with you, who are there like

1026
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,079
willingly and they want to do this with you as well,

1027
00:53:34,119 --> 00:53:38,719
Like you should not feel anxious whether you are doing

1028
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,079
something like not appropriate.

1029
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 2: So if a man's going to come to the brothel

1030
00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:47,239
and you know, try it out, what would you tell

1031
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,000
them that maybe they should do beforehand. Is there any

1032
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,880
advice that you give for guys.

1033
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 4: Well, definitely be respectful towards the sex workers. So some

1034
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,280
of the guys they kind of assume that when they

1035
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,039
pay for the self, they pay for the for the

1036
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:06,039
whole person. So it's not that case. So like the girls,

1037
00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:08,840
they always can say no, like I'm not going to

1038
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,079
do this, and it's there right. So I always tell

1039
00:54:12,119 --> 00:54:15,239
the guys like respect like what they say, and like

1040
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,920
don't do anything like she doesn't want you to do

1041
00:54:18,599 --> 00:54:21,000
ask her first, because like a lot of the guys

1042
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,480
they kind of assume that like everything is okay, like

1043
00:54:23,559 --> 00:54:26,320
I can do this, I can do that, and they're like, no,

1044
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:29,800
this is like this, this is not it. And like

1045
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,719
also like don't get themselves drunk because like a lot

1046
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,440
of the guys they are like they are maybe nervous,

1047
00:54:35,559 --> 00:54:39,039
or they like to party, or they may be like

1048
00:54:39,079 --> 00:54:42,960
to take drugs or a lot of the guys are

1049
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:47,079
thinking that taking viagra it's a good idea, but like

1050
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,880
usually when they are taking the viagra, it's not because

1051
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:54,239
like they have this viagra prescribed, but they just found

1052
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,679
it somewhere. Like the friends gave them to to the

1053
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,079
friends gave the viagra to them, so and then they

1054
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:04,159
take it and like they don't know what is going

1055
00:55:04,199 --> 00:55:07,079
to happen. And like once we actually needed to call

1056
00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:10,719
an ambulance because one guy, he was like seventy years

1057
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,599
old or something, he took the viagra and like his

1058
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,679
heart just like they didn't almost make it. So we

1059
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,880
needed to call an ambulance. And like his son was

1060
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:25,199
there and I was like what did he take and

1061
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,519
he was like I don't know, I don't know. And

1062
00:55:27,559 --> 00:55:29,800
then he was like, yeah, well he took viagra. And

1063
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,760
I was like, but you know, you can't take this

1064
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,199
unless it's prescribed. And then he was like drinking. So

1065
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,559
we needed to call an ambulance and like luckily they

1066
00:55:39,639 --> 00:55:41,760
saved him. But like a lot of the guys, they

1067
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,719
think that this is a place like where they need

1068
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:44,719
to show up and.

1069
00:55:44,639 --> 00:55:47,119
Speaker 2: Like and show off and show off.

1070
00:55:47,199 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah wow.

1071
00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:52,599
Speaker 2: Can you imagine dying of a heart attack and a

1072
00:55:52,639 --> 00:55:55,719
brothel because you took too much viagra and your son

1073
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,039
is there and your son is there, do you see

1074
00:55:58,039 --> 00:56:02,480
a lot of like families come in sometimes like father's son,

1075
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,960
sometimes mother daughter.

1076
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:08,679
Speaker 4: I mean we have a mother and daughter working together.

1077
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,559
Oh so that's like there was like a little bit unusual.

1078
00:56:11,639 --> 00:56:13,519
I mean I got used to it over the years.

1079
00:56:13,559 --> 00:56:17,320
But like they also sometimes take the guys like to

1080
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,400
the room to you know, do the service, like both

1081
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,960
of them, which like for me, when I picture myself

1082
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,039
with my mother.

1083
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 2: Like please no. Yeah, I feel like that's the case

1084
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,280
for most of us. But yeah, but like we.

1085
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:36,679
Speaker 4: Like recently we had a guy and he's quadriplegic.

1086
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,559
Speaker 2: Quadriplegic, yeah, quadruplegic.

1087
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 4: And his parents they actually take him to Russel quite regularly.

1088
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:46,599
So I think this is nice and they are like

1089
00:56:46,639 --> 00:56:50,559
suctual love the people and the guy. He's also very nice.

1090
00:56:50,639 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 3: You know.

1091
00:56:51,079 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 2: That reminds me of this one time I we were

1092
00:56:54,519 --> 00:56:57,760
talking about sex work and we were talking about, you know,

1093
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,840
how it should be legal and how people shouldn't be

1094
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,519
shamed for hiring sex workers. And I actually had a

1095
00:57:03,559 --> 00:57:08,079
Patreon member who wrote me an email that I never forgot,

1096
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,000
and he said, you know, he thanked me for the

1097
00:57:11,039 --> 00:57:13,519
interview and for the perspective, and he said, you know,

1098
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:15,880
the thing is is that people don't really ever think

1099
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,800
about those of us who really can't.

1100
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,199
Speaker 3: Experience intimacy with a woman in an easy way.

1101
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 2: He was in a wheelchair, and you know, people say, oh,

1102
00:57:26,519 --> 00:57:28,199
go out there and get a real girlfriend. He's like,

1103
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,599
that is like very difficulty. You think I can go

1104
00:57:32,639 --> 00:57:34,360
to the barn, a girl's going to go home with me?

1105
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,639
Like most women don't want to have sex with me

1106
00:57:37,679 --> 00:57:40,239
because I'm in a wheelchair, and so should I be

1107
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:46,280
denied that human touch, you know, that experience because I'm

1108
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,639
you know, crippled and going and seeing a sex worker

1109
00:57:50,719 --> 00:57:54,199
who is providing a service. You know, He's like it

1110
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,159
it feel It makes me feel like loved and it

1111
00:57:58,199 --> 00:58:02,119
makes me feel so much better. And he said, you know,

1112
00:58:02,199 --> 00:58:04,920
these these sex workers, like I know that they care

1113
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,599
about me, you know, in a way that like your

1114
00:58:07,719 --> 00:58:10,559
therapist cares about you when you see they're not gonna,

1115
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,280
you know, ye move in with you, but they do

1116
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,159
care about you. And Yeah, I just thought that it

1117
00:58:17,199 --> 00:58:19,360
was a perspective I'd never thought about, you know, because

1118
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,679
you don't think about the men who you know, really

1119
00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:25,519
struggle to connect with women, and that there's a lot

1120
00:58:25,519 --> 00:58:27,679
of them out there. You don't even have to be handicapped. Yeah,

1121
00:58:27,719 --> 00:58:29,280
for that to happen exactly.

1122
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 4: I mean, we have quite a lot of guys and

1123
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,920
they are coming in and they are like, they don't

1124
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,480
identify themselves as an in cel, like in voluntary celibate,

1125
00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:41,920
but they are like, I can't get like anyone to

1126
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,159
get to like me enough so they can have like

1127
00:58:44,239 --> 00:58:46,880
sex with me, So they just come to the brothel.

1128
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,119
And I think it's like it's a good decision actually,

1129
00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:53,719
like instead of like hating girls for like not choosing

1130
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,880
him or something, you just be like, okay, yeah, I

1131
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:57,000
just pay for the service.

1132
00:58:57,079 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 2: And and I mean that can also be a comp

1133
00:59:00,159 --> 00:59:00,880
and s builed her too.

1134
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:01,159
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1135
00:59:01,199 --> 00:59:03,559
Speaker 2: You know, like the more you do something, the more

1136
00:59:03,559 --> 00:59:05,719
comfortable you become with it, and then maybe you feel

1137
00:59:06,239 --> 00:59:09,320
more comfortable with women. But if you're not like having

1138
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,960
any experiences with women at all, then you become more

1139
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:12,880
and more isolated.

1140
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, and also the girls they can like really feel it,

1141
00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:18,480
so sometimes they do like this confidence boost. So they

1142
00:59:18,639 --> 00:59:20,480
told this guy like, oh my god, you are the

1143
00:59:20,519 --> 00:59:23,039
best one. I was like, oh, yeah, thank you. And

1144
00:59:23,079 --> 00:59:24,079
they actually believe this.

1145
00:59:24,239 --> 00:59:27,079
Speaker 2: So I remember Alice Little came on and she talked

1146
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:29,280
about how she oh she's amazing, Yeah, she's amazing. She

1147
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:30,800
talks about how she works with a lot of like

1148
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:35,039
autistic guys and how you know they have very each

1149
00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:39,199
one has a very specific you know need, like because

1150
00:59:39,199 --> 00:59:42,239
there are sensory you have sensory issues. You know, some

1151
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,320
of them want to be touched really hard or touch soft,

1152
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,320
and you know you have to know like how to

1153
00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:52,360
you know, touch them and in a way that works

1154
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:53,559
for them, and how to.

1155
00:59:53,559 --> 00:59:56,719
Speaker 4: Work with them because it's it's work. So this is

1156
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,800
like mostly when people think about sex work, they don't

1157
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,840
think think about you need to actually have these people

1158
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,639
skill and it's like a huge part of the job.

1159
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, what do you want the general public

1160
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:10,960
to understand the most about sex work?

1161
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 4: I would really love to see sex work being like decriminalized,

1162
01:00:16,119 --> 01:00:21,599
and not only sex work, but also the third parties

1163
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,400
as a like a brothels and those kind of like

1164
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,880
supportive structures because when you say to the workers, okay,

1165
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,320
only you can do sex work, but like you can't

1166
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,639
hire anyone for your own safety, you need to make

1167
01:00:33,679 --> 01:00:37,880
sure that there will be nobody around you helping, like

1168
01:00:38,039 --> 01:00:41,360
in any way and like being for example, being an

1169
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:45,000
independent escort, it takes a lot of energy and time,

1170
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:46,960
so you need to find a place where you will

1171
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,800
do it. You need to do all the laundry, you

1172
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,920
need to do all the texting with the people, you

1173
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,119
need to do the scheduling, and then on top of this,

1174
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,800
you need to do the actual work and plus the security.

1175
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,519
Speaker 2: So you need to be you need to make sure

1176
01:01:00,719 --> 01:01:03,840
you got a safe background checks that, yeah exactly. So

1177
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,239
many women who have all these different ways that they

1178
01:01:06,239 --> 01:01:09,800
try to vet a customer, but like, you never you

1179
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:11,440
can never be one hundred percent sure, right.

1180
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly, and like you should be able to hire

1181
01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:18,000
somebody who will do this for you. So when you

1182
01:01:18,039 --> 01:01:20,119
say like, okay, you can do sex work, but like

1183
01:01:20,239 --> 01:01:24,800
you can't do anything to make you safer in this work,

1184
01:01:25,519 --> 01:01:27,320
like that's a little bit fucked up.

1185
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:31,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So the last thing I want to

1186
01:01:31,559 --> 01:01:33,880
ask you about is your Instagram, Okay, because obviously that's

1187
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,119
where I found you, and I know you have a

1188
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lot of followers. What give you the idea to start that?

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And when did you really start to see it pick

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up and realize like, oh I have an audience for this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well it was very randal So like after like

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eighty years in the company, like I felt like a

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little bit burned out. So I was like everything is

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the same. And then like I also struggled, and I

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think that this is something that like all people in

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academia kind of struggle with. So you do the research,

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you spend enormous time doing it, and then like you've

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published the article and then like ten people read it

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and like that's all you know, and like probably two

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of those ten people are your parents, say like that's it.

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So I felt that way, and I was like, maybe

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I will just like start social media to talk about

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like brothel industry, because like I felt this narrative is

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kind of missing, like nobody does that. There's like a

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lot of sex workers talking from their perspective, and I

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love this. I think it's like really vital for people

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to see this. But then like there is nobody talking

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about the brothel side of the industry, about the manager,

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about the managerial site. And this is also my PhD

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two pick, so I study management of legal or the

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criminalized sex work. And I was like, maybe just like

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I will start the social media and talk about this

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and I will just see like where this leads. And

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like I didn't have any experience with social media, so

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like my my personal instagram, I think I have like

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thirty people following me or something like I don't I

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didn't know how to do this. So at some point,

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I think after like three months, it got like really

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big and like everything went like viral, like all the

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all the videos, and I was like, oh shit, like

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what am I supposed to do now? Like I don't know,

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like I wasn't ready for this. And then like I

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found out like very quickly. Then Instagram it's like super prudish.

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It's like I was ben it a few times, like

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the things got flagged and I was like, shit, so

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maybe this is like not the good place for me

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to talk about those stuff. And then I was like,

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maybe there is another platform. And then that's when I

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found OnlyFans because like here I can basically like talk

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about everything that I want to talk about, and like

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I can do the content that I want to do

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without like any fear that like somebody will read my

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profile and like I will be like with nothing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to assume that you haven't even tried

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to do a TikTok account, because like.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I I have TikTok.

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Speaker 2: Account, but you have to be more careful on that

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than Instagram, right, Like it's weird how it's the dynamic

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has changed.

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Speaker 4: So now even though when I'm like posting the video,

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I'm like this might get like bent me or something. Yeah,

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like maybe this is the reason why I will lose

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my Instagram.

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Speaker 2: But it's all educational though, I mean yeah, but they

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don't get.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they just don't get like the deep plot, like

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the deep plat forming of the of the people who

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talk about sex work and like sexuality.

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Speaker 3: It's like it's a huge Yeah.

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Speaker 4: It's like even though like I think it's okay, Instagram

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doesn't think about it in that way.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, what do you think is the most challenging

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thing about your job? And what's the most rewarding.

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Speaker 4: There's like so many So first I need to get

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used to the stigma obviously, so right now, like I

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don't probably I'm just like really used to it or

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maybe just like people don't say this into my face,

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but I needed to get used to it. Like people

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like judging me like quite heavily, and like a lot

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of the people they actually told me, oh, you're a

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manager of a brothel. That's even worse than if you'd

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be prostitute.

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Speaker 2: Right because they feel like you're you're the and you're

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like pushing exactly exactly like a lot of the people

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they told me, Oh, you're pimp, and I'm like I'm

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actually not, you know.

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Speaker 4: So like let me explain it to your Yeah, but

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like right now, like I just really don't care. Like

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maybe this will sound mean, but like I don't care

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about like opinions of people that like don't know anything

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about the industry and like their opinion is based on emotions,

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like not the real data or like statistics or facts,

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and like they don't know anyone from the industry. They

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think it's bad. And this is the reason why I

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actually talk about it, because I've heard like so many

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people telling me. Look like before I discovered your account

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or something, like I knew that this this like industry

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is a thing, but like I didn't know anything about it,

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and like now I can see it can be good place,

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it can be like super shitty place. Like I don't

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want to glamorize the industry, but like I'm trying to

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make people just see that like not everything is like

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black and white. So I needed to get used to

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the stigma and like obviously the most rewarding part, like

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being in a brothel it's like seeing the girls becoming

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like powerful and like independent and like really know, like

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learning how to stand up for themselves and like being

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this like better as bitches. Like I love to see this.

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Speaker 2: I love that guy I can relate to like so

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many things that you said, Well, thank you so much

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for coming on. This is so interesting. I think you

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answered a lot of questions that so many people have

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about brothels. If people have more questions for you, where

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should they follow you on social media?

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Speaker 4: So they can either follow me on Instagram which is

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Catherine Underscore the Underscore Noir, or I have TikTok and

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I have no idea what's my name there? So maybe

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I'll just like send it to you any willing.

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Speaker 2: Don't worry. We will put a little like banner under

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the video that will say you're the fence, so they

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can decide what's your what's the only fans in? Uh,

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it's Catherine Dinir okay, all no spaces, all forwards, okay

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together amazing, amazing And you guys can follow me on

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01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:40,920
Instagram at Holly Randall also on Twitter as well. I

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have a TikTok. I forgot what it is? Is it

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Holly Randall and Filter Holly Randall, seventy eight. There I go.

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I have a snapchat too, Holly podcast. One of my

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videos went like kind of viral.

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Speaker 3: The other day.

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Speaker 4: Congratulations are you What was it about?

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Speaker 2: I think it was about me how I had a

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small towel to draw myself off in the shower because

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I forgot to bring towels to the gym. It was

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not an okay, it was not interesting. No, it wasn't No,

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it wasn't. Sorry that one got a lot of views

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because of this. It was the the TikTok thing that

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we did with the reading glasses. Don't do it, don't

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do it, don't do it. And then I put on

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reading glasses because anyways, yeah, because I need them because

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I'm blind. One day, you guys will be watching the

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show and then all of a sudden, I will have

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reading glasses. And that's when you know that I am

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officially like gone to seed.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 2: If you want to support this podcast, watch these episodes live,

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get access to bonus Q and a questions like We're

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going to do next? Go to Patreon dot com slash

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Holly Randall Unfiltered. Thank you guys so much for watching.

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Couldn't do it without you. Appreciate you so much, and

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I'll see you next week.