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Speaker 1: It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnes,

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e O and JP sorrows he's a lapsed fan in

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Speaker 2: Years and wristlin, I never seen anything like.

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Speaker 3: It's the laps Fan name number one in the ring.

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Begin about Slada were the real king of swing. When

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the bell goes, hey, you want to kick like me

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from in the corner, whets rash like stick.

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Speaker 4: Even Jerry King could say go off the crowd nodded.

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Speaker 2: In his head like stee low Brown? Would you get

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low down?

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Speaker 4: Were we go?

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Speaker 5: Even high up?

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Speaker 2: Flipp you on your head?

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Speaker 3: But you know cool drive speaking mona dragon, slits fire

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eve you more shock than the edge retires, dropping more

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truth than the con of sniper unless you would a

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coconut Roddy pipper, Jack and JP you a j wad

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drop a cupcakes and gold and the brain Bobs.

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Speaker 2: The best podcast from start the close five of you.

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It's a plassic at polls. You know, JP. It's not

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often that we have guests on the Lapsed Fan. It's

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just kind of not what we do.

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Speaker 5: In a lot of place. But it's true.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes they come with the heavy artillery. These folks, they

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find us. They say what about Londa fucking Rousey, And

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then we have to say, wait a minute, let's revisit said.

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Speaker 6: Policy to step back a moment and kind of like

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exactly like kind of re examine what the fuck we're

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doing here.

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Speaker 2: Because she keeps it real in a fake world and

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in a fake business. And so we're very excited to

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have Ronda hear. She's here to talk first and foremost

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about her graphic novel project, which you may have heard about.

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She's done interviews about it, There's been a lot of

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publicity about it. It's called Expecting the Unexpected, available here

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with Amazon fre sale. Ronda, thank you so much for

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joining us on the show, first of all, and tell

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us all about this project.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for letting me intrude on the two Dude love

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best here, so I watch I'm close to truth diversity.

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But yeah, I'm actually here to talk about the comic,

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which is crazy enough. It was inspired by Paul Hayman

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during the go Home to My Second WrestleMania when we

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headlines and it was one of those particularly crazy days,

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which is really saying something considering, you know, the Vince

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mcman era. I don't really know how it is now,

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but it was like doors were opening and like we're

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already open or something like that. And we were about

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to go out in the ring in like an hour,

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and Vince had completely torn up the script and we

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had no idea what the hell was going on. And

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I was like just sweating bullets, freaking out, being like,

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why is that to be so stressful? This is this

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is the best thing ever. Why do we why do

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we have to make it not? And so Paul Hayman

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was always the best at like centering my sheet when

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I'm in a panic, and he was he you know

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what I mean, And he was like, what kind of

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movie would you want to star in? I'm like, what

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do you mean? He was like, if you could be

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in any kind of movie, what would it be? And

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I never thought of that. I had been sitting around

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a little entitled, spoiled brat waiting for someone to hand

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me my greenlit dream project, and I hadn't put any

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thought into it. Also, i'd been, you know, trying to

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survive in my first year of the ww's. I had

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been thinking about much about anything else. And so I

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wrote a short little log line for this after I

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put some thought into it, and that was all that

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I thought about it until after I shattered my pinky

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knuckle on Becky's elbow in the match and went straight

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to get surgery on my hand. My doctor said they

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did a shishkabab principle.

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Speaker 2: They just kind of put u.

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Speaker 4: Pin and put everything back together. And I couldn't even

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go to bed that night because I had to jump

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on a plane and go straight to New York to

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film Late Night with Stephen Colbert because I was voicing

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Sonya Blade im Mortal Combat eleven, and after pretending I

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wasn't in excruciating pain for an interview and going to

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finally a bed to finally be able to lay down

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for the first time in forty eight hours, it's getting surgery.

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I had the idea for the for a scene in

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what is now this book? And you ever just have

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something in your head where you're like, oh, you keep

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repeating it over and over in bed so you don't

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forget it in the morning, and you're like, you know what,

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my phone in a cast later, it was time to

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get on the It was time to get the car. Yeah,

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and then two hours of the car still typing, and

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eleven hours straight and wrote my first draft of this,

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which was got awful. So I think that people forget

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that that they put so much pressure on it has

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to be perfect. It never gets done.

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Speaker 6: It just needs to be like you just got to

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get it out, get it out, and then go back

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and make it better.

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Speaker 4: The vomit draft. So, after I was done vomiting letters,

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I took it to my agent and was like, it

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wasn't even formatted. It was like sixty pages of block text.

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I'm like, do you have a writer you could bring

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me to to help me work with this? And he

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was just kind of like, what do you want what?

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just obsessing over like screenwriting and how to actually format

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it and how to like the guy that craft itself.

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I started an internship at the w W Story Department,

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writing coverage for screenplays. So yeah, a bunch of movies

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that came out, I like, I read them before before

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they actually came out. So Blink Twice was one of

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my scripts that I gave a recommend to, which I

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hold that a lot to. I don't just recommend everything.

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It was a great script, but after years of learning,

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proud of. But no one's ever going to produce the

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script that some fighter wrote, you know. So being a

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fan of graphic novels, I'd like to you, this would

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be such a cool graphic novel. It'd be really tough

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to do the fight scenes, but I think that's something

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I could bring to the medium that isn't just you know, plagiarism.

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publishing or whatever, artist writers and artisans is what it

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stands for. I was called a WA like it's a

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wrestling promotion and they don't like it. But but yeah,

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I found some believers there in Axel Alonso, who was

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a formal chief editor whatever his name title was at

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Marvel Marvel and yeah, and then he got Mike to

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be the artist for it. And I mean, years later,

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this is just something I'm just so obsessed with I

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couldn't stop with. And now it's it's actually it actually exists,

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So I don't know. I'm gonna grab it because I

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just got I just got my first hard covey.

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Speaker 2: That's a small deal. Did you know that she interned

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at wm E Boss I did not.

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Speaker 5: I did not.

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Speaker 2: She also, I believe, wrote the netflix Bioky cleanand on

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her life, so we'll get to that here. Collusion comes.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, I know this is just this is just fine.

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Speaker 2: I mean I've seen the assets.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but this is the living edition. Let's cover from

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a Kickstarter owner.

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Speaker 2: So you're pregnanty and a motherfucker in the face.

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Speaker 4: I like that beating a whole bathroom full of people.

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I really love the raid. So like the Raid too.

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I just love the bathroom fight. But a lot of

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the inspiration for it's a romantic comedy martial arts story and.

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Speaker 5: It's so fine. Problem with that that sounds wise, but.

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Speaker 4: I was thinking, like, what's a character that no one

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could play better than me? I'm not Meryl Street, but

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with in my very near range, I can fucking I'm like,

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I could shoot a bullet in that tiny little range.

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functions that can never go to the bathroom. He's been

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on the run for how long, you know, So this

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is like this chick's going through something similar, but she's pregnant,

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so it's just all bodily functions, you know, like die

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Hard came out after a while and like die Hard

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in a bus, die Hard on a boat, you know,

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die Hard. This is like John Wick if he was

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pregnant on his way to abortion clinic and every time

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he tried to go to the bathroom he got attacked

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by even more people. So yeah, a lot of that

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kind of tongue in cheek pregnancy comedy.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, there's a lot of cool ankles in there,

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So definitely check the book out. It's it's something that

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we're rooting for you because you know, sometimes some people

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come out of the wrestling business, they have a very

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hard time finding things to do that are just waiting

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for Damper to call again. Okay, So this this is

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this sounds like a real passion project that you can

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bring across the finish line. And I mean the business

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is in the rearview mirror, right ron, I mean not to.

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Speaker 4: I mean pretty much, I'd say. So I got into

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WWE because I wanted to be able to wrestle with

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my girls, you know, the four Horsewomen, and be able

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to the rest of my friends. And they kind of

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dangled that carrot for my whole run and never let

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it happen. And then the second run they kept dailing it,

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and then by the end I was like, I'm fucking

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leaving unless I can wrestle with Shana. And that's how

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I was able to do it at all. And now.

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Speaker 6: The most underused talent on the woman roster, I thank you.

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I was not familiar with her before I saw her,

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and she was just like I just we watched the

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show one time and I was just like, who is

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this Who is this person? And like I was completely

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enthralled by her, and I was. I was always rooting

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for Shana all the time.

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Speaker 4: All the time.

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Speaker 6: I wanted to say, the two of you collide and

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to each other's asses. That was my dream, but I

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pretty much did. Yeah, right, what was a.

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Speaker 4: Sport match at a WWE show, So it kind of

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it didn't really fit in, but we were kind of like,

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fuck all you people, We're doing our dream match. You

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just happen to be here.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad you said that because one of the

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biggest pet peeves we always talk about on laps fan

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is this this ubm of like we're real that wouldn't happen.

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What if the fuck are you talked about? If it

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were real, it would look like Rond de Vershena, and

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nobody seems to want to spotlight that and make matches

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look like honest attempts at replicating what a fight looks like.

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We all know what a fight looks like now and

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it's not grab a headlock, tackle, over the top, lead frog.

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But yet a wrestling insists on on that architecture, which

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is great, we all love it, but I wonder how

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you felt knowing what a real fight looks and feels like,

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unlike few on the roster trying to bring that to

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the table.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I love that match because it's funny.

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We've never had more conflidence for more people. Yeah, that

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was more at the point where I'm like, oh, this

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is for us, like screen you guys kind of a thing.

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into it because I love fight choreography for film, and

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I feel like it's the purest form of fight choreography,

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and it's more of like at being a fight not

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just a fighter, but an entertainer. You know, I don't

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it's not the Olympics. I want to fight in a

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way that's like really exciting and really gets people into it.

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if I have two people fighting, how do I make

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this fight as exciting as possible? Everything went exactly the

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way that he wanted to go, because you're always like

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working on these things in training camp that is probably

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not going to happen, but like, wouldn't it be really

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cool if I did like a so does serve a

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going to happen, you know, But in fight korak, you

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can make it happen. And you can be like, and

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there's a vase there, and you know, and I'll smash

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them in the face and that so you can you

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can make it so much more than you ever could

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in an actual fight when the other person is not

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participating with you. And it's also I think the purest

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form in that you have to do it live, you

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have to do it all in one go, and everything

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has to sell from three hundred and sixty degrees, you know,

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and when you're filming for a movie, you're just trying

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to sell it, you know, for the camera, punching yourself,

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you know, punching across the lens and not even touching

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the person, and you take a break after every like

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little sequence and stuff like that usually unless you're doing

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on one take, which is those are my favorite kind

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of fights. But I digress. So I feel like it's

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because I had been doing fight choreography and film. I

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start watching pro wrestling, was like, oh my god, this

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is incredible. The kind of matches as you are doing.

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weeks and do it in several takes, and so that

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kind of that that level of the art was really

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really cool to me. And then also the storytelling aspect

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being in the fight itself, and a lot of times

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in movies will they'll be like, look and we're going

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to take a break from the story for this really

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cool fight, you know, and it's basically they're just spot

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fests and it doesn't really add to the story itself.

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but that's what I really loved about Progressing really drew

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me to it as a storytelling is happening in the

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fight itself a lot of time nonverbally, and so it's

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just such a clash of everything crammed in the one

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that I was like, if I could learn this, I

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would be better at everything, you know. And so I

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took a lot of that and applied it to this

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comic where I wanted to make sure the fights in

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it were of the storytelling and it wasn't just you know,

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a break from it. And there's a lot of like

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pro wrestling kind of sequences and callbacks. I did like

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a little a little heart attack and the the final

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like fight sequence if you could, if you could spot it.

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And actually had a couple of friends of mine. I

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choreographed all of this like just writing it down, which

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to somebody else probably just looks like gibberish. So I

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filmed a bunch of the mockups of the fight scenes

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with a couple of friends of mine at Santino Brothers,

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and you can actually, I don't know if it's going

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to be in the paperback that's coming out October like seven.

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But I know this is just voice and podcasts, but

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you can see the bath we have like the little

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making of of how we put the fight scenes together

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in those little QR codes. You can like see us,

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like you know, dicking around and coming up with these,

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and the cells are not as good as it would

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be in front of a live audience because it was

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just for reference with the artists. I'm not really going

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to punch somebody in the face, you know what I mean,

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they're like pun I mean you could, I'm not actually

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going to roll on the bathroom floor, you know. But yeah,

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it was. It was very much the action. This is

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very pro wrestling and inspired and so I hope people good,

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yeah that that are fans of that art see it

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in this other this other medium.

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Speaker 2: Perfect when we we think back in your w run

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to me like the epitome of that thing we're talking

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about about trying to make a real fight look like

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at WWE natural vice versa is. But they made you

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mend the girl's arm in the arm bar. Oh yeah,

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what was that? You know how to lock out an

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arm bar? We saw you do it in UFC. Why

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did you have to bend the arm like that?

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Speaker 4: That was actually triple h that came up with as

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sing the mock arm bar finisher. But it's also like

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you can see people like laying back and arching on

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the arm and they're holding it straight and they're holding

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it away from the box like if you actually did,

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it would break. You can't.

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Speaker 2: I don't want no, I don't want you to break

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anybody's arm, right, Yeah, you couldn't work. There is a

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little clothes on business is picking up.

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Speaker 4: Hey, get out of your kid. This is yeah, this

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is a good thing. This is only audio called Kitchen Naked.

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Speaker 2: But on here, where's Travis Att? You should be taking

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care of business jobs.

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Speaker 4: In the kitchen? He's is that a first? Well, this

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is kind of like our whole our little like battle

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station faces the kitchen so that I don't become an

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entirely introvert person facing.

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Speaker 2: The walls forth. Thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're we're interacting, so get out here.

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Speaker 5: Listen.

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Speaker 6: There have been many times my daughter has walked in

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or my dog has walked in. It's always it's always

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been a thing we've heard. We hear voices all the time.

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Speaker 4: Well, COVID kind of made it cool, you know. I

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mean it's like you're waiting for the distraction.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. So all right, so the bent arm we

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blame Triple H got it. It was just like you.

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Speaker 4: Really, how do you really do it? Like the one

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time I did do it, but I leaned back on

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it straight was uh. Me and Becky were we're I

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think it was like my heel turn or whatever, and

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I felt like it had like much more impact then.

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But freaking Vince liked it so much. It was like

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arm bar armor, Rgan armor armor again, and I'm like,

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smashed the arm bar. I don't. And I had Jackson

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all pissed out of me afterwards. She was like, we

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spent all year selling the hell this armor and you

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just did three of them to Becky like I was

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out there, I'm like, dude, I'm like, I'm on Avatar

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for a fucking eighty year old, fucking pervert on the phone.

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All right, I have no I have no say in this.

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What are supposed to do?

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Speaker 2: What I got?

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Speaker 4: Stake that on between your legs and grind it, grind

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it down.

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Speaker 2: I don't want it, among other things, so what what?

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Notwithstanding that's exactly correct and then from there, my god,

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there's I mean, I've heard you talk very straightforward about it,

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and I respect that. I don't think you spent a

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lot of time that ww A triple H should be

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able to compare what it's like working there with him

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in Vince control.

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Speaker 4: But no, I didn't really at all. You get any

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of the Triple AH era. I just got the death

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throes of vincepect man clinging to power.

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Speaker 2: That's great, I mean, what epitomizes it? Can you help

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us understand what it was like to work for him

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at that point? Like, is there a story you could tell?

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Speaker 4: Show Man? Like? There was no like collaboration. It was

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basically like you would spend so much time and effort

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thinking about the story and how you can make it better,

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and they wouldn't talk to you at all, and they

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would spend like five minutes thinking about it the night

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before and then throw you a version of it that

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was a complete shit show. And then it was it

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wasn't a collaboration. It was like a negotiation to try

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and get it to not suck as much as possible.

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And then you go out there and it's like the

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final iteration of you trying to be like can this

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be changed? How can I make this not absolutely fucking suck?

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And then you will be there and you do something

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that you have not even been able to practice and

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you don't even really believe in, and then that's what's

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coming across. And so they were like only like spending

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a little bit of time on the Bloodline because Hayman

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was the head of all of that and he was

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like the Vince whisper of being able to get shitped through.

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And it shows, it shows that like, oh, we're going

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to spend some time and effort on this and fuck

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everybody else and we're just gonna find the seat of

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our pants. And that's why they're just doing the same

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rehash shit over and over and over again, because that

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was just like what Vince came up with the night before,

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you know, and it was just all bottlenecked through there

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and just really took the funnest thing that is such

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a great time when you're out there with your friends

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and you know you're doing something that you really believe in,

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you like, you know, there were some flashes in the pan.

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He had some some flashes of brilliance, and there were

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some days that we'd be able to like hammer through

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something good and somehow be able to pull it off

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with no time to rehearse it. Like me and Charlotte's

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I quit match. We didn't come up. We didn't like

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to have the match agreed upon what it was until

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thirty minutes before, and I had thirty minutes to memorize

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it without even being able to be out there to

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practice it.

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Speaker 2: And like it was a replacement deal, right, What wasn't

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it supposed to be some you and somebody else?

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Speaker 4: It was me, It was me and Charlotte. I mean,

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whatever it was, whatever another day it was. It's on

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my other book, read the memoir.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 4: That could have been great, and it was still it

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was good, But imagine what we could have done with

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like my my w W debut, where we had six

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weeks to put it together with the best minds of

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the business, and we had it figured out one hundred

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percent like two weeks before. Then we had two weeks

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to rehearse it and it shows, it shows it was

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fucking brilliant. And then when we main event in WrestleMania,

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it was some ship that we threw together the night before.

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We were still trying to figure it out. The day

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off and it shows.

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Speaker 2: And you've got these these fans that think it's like

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this high art with all this like deep intricate planning,

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if they only knew JP. I want to flip it

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to you. I'm sure you have a question, but I

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just when Ron is talking, I thought about how you know,

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we did the pay per views all through her entire run,

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her debut, all the way to her last match, and

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you had you had an idea, this is how you

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at Ronda, right, Oh, what does Ronda need to be

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doing in WW in the ring from day one? That

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that optimized?

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Speaker 5: It was simple. You needed to be a killer, like

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you need to go in there.

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Speaker 6: I mean that one of the things that I've always

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kind of thought is is sucks about modern wrestling, is

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that is that fans come to expect a match. They

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want to have a whole performance where it's like, to me,

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I'm looking at you and you're from legit fighting. I

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want to see you come in and wipe the floor

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with the majority of these women, I want to see

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you beat them in thirty seconds. I mean I when

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you won the title, it was as close as I

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thought could would be the case. When you beat Alexa Bliss.

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It was Lexa Bliss, right, Blis.

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Speaker 4: It all was fucking ridiculous. But I know why they

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had me against them Lexa Bliss, Yes, because she had

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the most merged cells at the time on that side.

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Like what the fuck? And're your decision making process?

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Speaker 6: Like you should have gone in there and and arm

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bar in the first thing and it's done, and you

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beat that and you just beat her like that to me,

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like you should have been just crushing people.

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Speaker 4: And it's not talking sense in a nonsensical world, because

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that's how you end up going crazy. That's how you

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end up leaving after your second run and being like,

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bop this, I'm writing a comic book.

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Speaker 2: It's exactly, that's right. That's the talking sense in a

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nonsensical world. Is why we're lap while we talk about

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lapsed like they talk about lapsed fans and getting them back.

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It's simple. Everybody knew why you were money coming in,

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why not recreate that? And then eventually right somebody stops you,

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someone counters the arm bar. Now we're in business, but

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it's just for the beginning. It was like, we got

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to find a way to make sure rod It can

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do twenty five minute matches, like.

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Speaker 4: That's what everybody wanted about long term booking. No, we

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only think about this to night of bar. Sorry, it's

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so brilliant, not how we do things here. That's the

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thing is so crazy, how much they succeed despite themselves.

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Like if it was actually like run functional, I mean

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maybe it is now who fucking knows, But I mean

476
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it's just the wasted potential. There is a crime.

477
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 6: I'm saying that for god what twenty plus years we've

478
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,119
been saying that to each other. I wanted to ask

479
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,680
you about, speaking of WrestleMania, we were there, we were

480
00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:22,839
we were in at MetLife and one of the things

481
00:24:22,839 --> 00:24:25,640
that I just thought about, and it's actually always been

482
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,240
on my mind when we were there and it's getting

483
00:24:29,319 --> 00:24:32,200
late and we're talking, what you guys didn't go in until.

484
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,839
Speaker 5: Eleventh thirty or something stuff like that, Like how do

485
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,039
you did you know?

486
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 6: I mean, obviously you knew you were going to be last,

487
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,279
and you're going to be somewhere around that time period.

488
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:46,960
How do you prepare to basically go to work at

489
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,920
eleven thirty at night? Because I like to go in

490
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,200
there and be intense and to like put on a

491
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,759
major show because I'm sitting there like that's like I

492
00:24:55,759 --> 00:24:56,559
wanted to be in bed.

493
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 5: I wanted to be in bed.

494
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 6: While I was there, I was exhausted, I was tired,

495
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,400
you know, and so like I just as a performer

496
00:25:03,519 --> 00:25:06,279
as as as an athlete. I mean, I know you

497
00:25:06,319 --> 00:25:09,799
gotta be ready at all times, but it just especially

498
00:25:09,799 --> 00:25:14,480
in a you know, choreographed world of wrestling, like how

499
00:25:14,519 --> 00:25:17,039
do you how did that? What was going through your

500
00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:19,839
mind like leading up to that, like preparing to wrestle

501
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,680
at fucking almost the next day.

502
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I was honestly exhausted, tired. My leg had

503
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,559
been cut open from the go home kicking through the window,

504
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,079
and it would kind of remind me of being on

505
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,799
SNL though, where I was just so exhausted and I

506
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,240
hadn't slept like twenty four hours by the time they

507
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,400
were about to play to come out, but when they

508
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,920
play you to come out, like there's some sort of

509
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,000
Pavlovian thing and Joan Jet, but god damn it, she

510
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:51,720
was out there.

511
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,079
Speaker 5: Definitely ELPs.

512
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,079
Speaker 4: I would rise from the dead for Joan Jet playing

513
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:01,200
me live. I mean, that was That's the answer to everything.

514
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,160
If I've ever like if you're like if they pulled

515
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,359
me out of the surf like like a like a

516
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,359
life guard, and I'm like not breathing and they're doing

517
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,759
chess palpitations on me, and I'm not Just go get

518
00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:16,640
jone Jet and I will wake up immediately. I will

519
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,039
fucking get up and I will whoop somebody's ass out

520
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,559
from almost being dead on the beach. I will go

521
00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:23,279
back in there and I will fuck up that shart,

522
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,799
you know, if jone Jet's there. So that's all, that's

523
00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:29,400
all I needed, just a little jone Jet love it.

524
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 6: Did it mean as much to you as they were

525
00:26:31,559 --> 00:26:33,279
proclaiming that it meant to the rest of the world

526
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,200
that I thought it was important that that you were

527
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,519
a part of the first women main event at WrestleMania.

528
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:42,079
Did it feel that way to you? Did it feel

529
00:26:42,079 --> 00:26:44,480
like it was it was something special or did it

530
00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:46,920
feel like we're just throwing this thing together like you've

531
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:47,359
been saying.

532
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,039
Speaker 4: I mean, it felt really special and that it was

533
00:26:51,079 --> 00:26:54,519
a crime that they put so little effort into it. Yeah,

534
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,400
but it was also you know, you break that glass,

535
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,319
the only ones it's his glass. Right after that, everybody's

536
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,519
going through it. It's not a big deal. And so

537
00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:05,960
it's like the first person to crack the four minute

538
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,400
mile or the five hundred pound fucking clean or whatever

539
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,359
the fuck the record was. You know, someone just needs

540
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,119
to do it once and then it's not a big deal.

541
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,440
So that's that's basically all I needed to do. I

542
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,319
just needed to loosen up that pickle jar lit.

543
00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 5: Love it it.

544
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,839
Speaker 2: I thought finish might be Becky taps you with an

545
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,319
arm bar sow much as that probably makes your skin crawl,

546
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,039
Was that ever proposed to you? Would you be against that?

547
00:27:31,559 --> 00:27:34,799
Speaker 4: It was proposed that I tap out to her arm

548
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,799
bar at Survivor series, Okay, And I said, my mother

549
00:27:39,839 --> 00:27:43,440
would disown me. Anytime anyone's actually ever arm barred me

550
00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:45,759
in my real life, I've just let them dislocate it

551
00:27:45,759 --> 00:27:47,480
and I went barm out. That's why I have I like,

552
00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:51,920
amnrel fucked on this arm right, So I'm not going

553
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,759
to do it. I'm not anytime anyone ever choked me

554
00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:57,759
out and competition choked me in competition, I just went out,

555
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,559
I don't know, tap, I know, tap the fucker.

556
00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 2: That's that's to be like the biggest leap of faith

557
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,839
you would have to take as a real fighter in

558
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,680
MMA and Crow Wrestling. It's like, is that is it

559
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,920
a bridge too far to actually say, I know this

560
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,960
is a performance. I'm gonna let somebody else look like

561
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:17,000
they actually are a better fighter than I am.

562
00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:21,279
Speaker 4: The only person I said I would ever allow to

563
00:28:21,319 --> 00:28:26,640
submit me with Shana, and that's why I wanted to

564
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,599
go out. So that's how I went out. But I

565
00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:30,799
didn't let her chuck me out.

566
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 2: That's what I thought.

567
00:28:32,519 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 4: Letter checked me out.

568
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was yep, that's what it was.

569
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,759
Speaker 5: I don't even know there actually was a match, did

570
00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:39,880
I missed? We watch it.

571
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 2: We watched it. It was on the SummerSlam with big,

572
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,960
hard knee lifts and hard strikes, and just like she's saying,

573
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,039
it was kind of like these these these women are

574
00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:51,079
actually beating the ship out of each other and the

575
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,400
fans don't know how to take it.

576
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I should have been a blood sport match, because

577
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,279
that's like the venue for that kind of a match

578
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,519
in like WW, especially like a stadium, which is different

579
00:29:01,519 --> 00:29:05,759
than an arena. They wanted. They need participation to be

580
00:29:05,799 --> 00:29:10,559
invited of like one, two, three, four, you know, like

581
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,960
all this stuff, and that just wasn't didn't make sense

582
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:19,519
for us. So I was like okay, and like us

583
00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:21,079
being walking out there and be like fuck you and

584
00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:22,559
fuck the fans and fuck this match, and we're just

585
00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:24,480
here to beat the show show. That's what made sense

586
00:29:24,519 --> 00:29:27,519
to the story. And so I wanted to stay true

587
00:29:27,519 --> 00:29:29,640
to us and true to our story. And we why

588
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,559
we got into this in the first place is we

589
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,920
wanted to beat the show out of each other, and

590
00:29:34,079 --> 00:29:38,160
I wanted to put Shana over and so we we

591
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,079
we did it our way.

592
00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, given, let's say given that again, given that we

593
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,599
focused mostly on on shows of the past, and we

594
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:52,640
do watch current pay per views usually, that's that's my

595
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:54,319
like when we watch current pay per views, that's my

596
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,400
drinking night, and that's the way I get through the show.

597
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,799
So that might have happened, and I apologize.

598
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 4: Because I And also there was like it was kind

599
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,200
of like an MMA nerds match. There's a lot of

600
00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:11,400
like rollbacks to iconic moments in MMA, which that just

601
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,359
wasn't the crowd they wouldn't recognize any of those things.

602
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,240
But for us, like, oh remember that one time when

603
00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:20,839
fucking the two guys were like at each other's legs

604
00:30:20,839 --> 00:30:22,400
and they just started punching each other out, like you know,

605
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,200
what I mean. And remember this one match, remember you know,

606
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:28,759
so that that was it was us nerding out for

607
00:30:28,839 --> 00:30:33,240
each other and like combining the two. It was it

608
00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:37,400
was like we were kind of playing for ourselves, if

609
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,079
that makes sense. It was it. Actually, it really comes

610
00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:44,160
up in this comic a lot going back to it,

611
00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:49,359
that making references that nobody else gets, and like that's

612
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,759
a big thing that, like, you know, the mom character

613
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,119
is constantly making all of these like action film movie

614
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,920
references awesome, and nobody's ever getting them, and until she

615
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:02,400
meets her match and in the love of her life,

616
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,519
the guy that finally gets all the references. Ah, So

617
00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:10,279
like that match was basically us just making all of

618
00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:12,680
these having like our own little language of making all

619
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,519
of these obscure references to each other, which is basically

620
00:31:16,079 --> 00:31:19,720
you know, a calm mom and HOPU is obviously based

621
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,279
off of me and my husband, but that's like their

622
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:25,039
love languages. They are just constantly making obscure movie references

623
00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:27,000
to each other. And that was like me and Shana's

624
00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:30,839
love languages. We're gonna make some really obscure mma references

625
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,319
to each other in this progressing match, which is really

626
00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:36,240
like the most me and Shana thing. Ever, I'm like,

627
00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:38,599
nobody else is gonna get there. I'm like, who does?

628
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:39,519
It doesn't matter.

629
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,119
Speaker 2: It's for us that listen.

630
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:43,279
Speaker 6: That's the stuff. That's the shit that sells the most

631
00:31:43,319 --> 00:31:45,039
honest to God, at least over time.

632
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:47,519
Speaker 2: They invite people into you invite people into that. I

633
00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:49,799
mean the inside jokes. That's what we started doing on

634
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,359
God and people were like, that's fucking funny. I definitely

635
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,079
do the same thing in my head or have those

636
00:31:55,119 --> 00:31:57,960
weird thoughts. Yeah, find yourself someone that gets the references.

637
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,240
That's I think the takeaway. Wait, I wanted to ask

638
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,400
you one more thing. Run about the Becking match and

639
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:08,799
the Charlotte match at Wrestling thirty five finish. It looked

640
00:32:08,839 --> 00:32:10,720
like this don't work for me. Brother, I'm gonna have

641
00:32:10,759 --> 00:32:13,359
that shoulder up. I'm gonna have that shoulder up, whether

642
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:14,160
they wanted or not.

643
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,039
Speaker 4: Oh no, it was I didn't know that they were down.

644
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,799
I felt like they weren't down, and so I was

645
00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:23,000
scooting to try and get them down, and but I

646
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:25,880
was like, oh, well, fuck if it went down that way,

647
00:32:26,119 --> 00:32:28,839
which is what happens when you don't fucking rehearse something

648
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,559
that you just came up with.

649
00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: He's a Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnio

650
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,640
m jpisio.

651
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:48,279
Speaker 2: Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast.

652
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 4: It's not Oh, it didn't look as smooth and perfect

653
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:54,680
because we didn't actually practice it. We're like, yeah, at

654
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,400
that's the point, I'm gonna do this thing and then

655
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,680
you're gonna be doing a cover about it.

656
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: I'm stressed out hearing your described I can't imagine after that, Kurt,

657
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:05,839
with the luxury of a business that is predetermined right,

658
00:33:05,839 --> 00:33:06,599
you can be able to use.

659
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 6: But do you think, I mean, do you think you

660
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:12,519
might have been better off of it had been if

661
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:15,359
you had kind of been trained a little more old

662
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,079
school style where you can kind of figure it out

663
00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:19,680
in the ring. Do you think that would have benefited

664
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,440
you better? Uh, in a situation like that, because I mean,

665
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,039
we talk There's another thing we talk about all the

666
00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:27,200
time on the Labs fan is is how you see

667
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,880
people who get out there and they've been they've been

668
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,279
trained in the in the current WWE fashion and uh

669
00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:36,799
and the style, and it's like they can't think for

670
00:33:36,839 --> 00:33:39,720
themselves when shit kind of gets sucked up.

671
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 4: And I mean, when would I've possibly had time for that?

672
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,279
Literally my first.

673
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 6: John Cena would say, you make time, no matter where

674
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,839
it is. He would say, you make kids.

675
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,119
Speaker 2: That's definitely what we say. Yes, I just believe she

676
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,680
said that. Oh we just finished. We just finished making

677
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,519
that joke about it. Of course he knows mandarin and

678
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:08,679
can play the piano. The guy doesn't have any kids.

679
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm lucky. I could eat.

680
00:34:16,039 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 2: Dude.

681
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,159
Speaker 4: I'm walking around fucking one forty one right now, and

682
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,320
my kids like, not only they do not give me

683
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,559
time to eat, but I actually do have food. They

684
00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:28,719
steal it from me and they eat it. So when

685
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:35,199
are you for some classical training? Kidding call it in

686
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,880
the ring and you're like, what do you mean? You

687
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,880
wrote a comic? I'm like, I wrote this at eleven

688
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,400
hours though. That's literally something I had to stay up

689
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:43,880
late at night. This is how I wrote this. I

690
00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:46,199
was after I put the kid like babies down or

691
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,000
all that I would stay up late and do that. Nobody,

692
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,039
nobody is coming to my house at eleven o'clock at

693
00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:54,719
night to do some classical pro wrestling training. You know,

694
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,159
Well it was that crazy.

695
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,280
Speaker 2: I mean, they get jelly roll ready and the in

696
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,119
a week and a half, so you know, it's that's

697
00:35:02,159 --> 00:35:05,199
the business we're in now. It's no one's calling it

698
00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:09,880
in the ring. It's not necessary or even advisable in

699
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,119
some cases. So here we are, like you said, the

700
00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:17,280
glass ceiling was broken. There are women main eventing all

701
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,400
the time. We've had two Evolution pay per views, one

702
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,239
of which you were on. All women pay per views.

703
00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:26,000
There's ww lore about why the women are on pedestal

704
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:28,679
they are now and who the Trailblazers were and all that.

705
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,679
I sat there it all as a huge fan of

706
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,719
MMA and wrestling. It's because you drew on pay per view,

707
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:38,079
but they tried it, and I don't know if you're

708
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:39,840
going to be part of that story. When they talk

709
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,320
about women are main inventors now in ten years, do

710
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:42,920
you know what I mean?

711
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 4: I'm good. Fuck, women are going to be main inventors

712
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:46,199
in ten years.

713
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 5: Awesome?

714
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:53,639
Speaker 4: You know, Like I realize at one point that, like, man,

715
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,440
I do so much badass, fucking gangster shit that no

716
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,679
one's ever going to know about. And I realized that,

717
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:02,039
you know, I do it because they really get a

718
00:36:02,159 --> 00:36:05,239
kick out of doing bad askings for shit. It's not

719
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,559
so like people see it and appreciate it. I'm just

720
00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:11,199
popping myself. Oh you know, I'm like, ah, it would

721
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,039
be a real fucking bad, asking shit thing to do

722
00:36:13,159 --> 00:36:15,119
right now, you know, And then I go do that

723
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,639
and it's not for there's so much people will never know.

724
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:23,760
My legend is just especially me actually experiencing it. Oh guys,

725
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,840
you have no fucking idea the most badest gangs to

726
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,719
bitch I'll ever fucking exist. But you know, well everyone

727
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,760
appreciate it. Probably not, But will everybody benefit from it?

728
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:32,039
Speaker 2: Yeah?

729
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 4: They fucking will.

730
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 2: They will. They'll keep it because you know, as talented

731
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,760
as Charlotte is, as talented as Becky as, they're not

732
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,039
closing the show without you.

733
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 4: And they weren't gonna main event Charlotte versus Becky nine thousand.

734
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,719
You know, they've already done it so many times before,

735
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,599
and even though it's a great every single time to

736
00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:51,000
do it, they have to do something to make it

737
00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:54,679
different and risk at first, company is only going to

738
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,719
go with what has been proven to work. And up

739
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,320
until that point, h the only woman that could sell

740
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,760
like a pay per view and sell out, you know, Arenas,

741
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,880
and so they needed that assurance of something that's already

742
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:17,119
improven and once I've done that all every combat sport

743
00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:21,400
it had been, they'd seen it done, and so it

744
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,840
wasn't a far stretch to do it. And so it

745
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:30,800
reverberated across pro wrestling and boxing and you know, jiu

746
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,599
jitsu and grappling and everything like that. And am I

747
00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:36,880
going to get a parade? No? Do I want to parade? No,

748
00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:39,639
I'd rather be home trying to eat.

749
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,079
Speaker 2: Now, let us hold you up. If you need to

750
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:45,559
take a bite, please actually.

751
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,639
Speaker 4: Just ate, like mainline from Aosta right before this. But

752
00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:50,639
then my baby was.

753
00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 2: Like posta, I just I just ordered two things. Now

754
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,159
that's what I do. I just get a version. They're

755
00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:01,760
going to take it.

756
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 4: Smart, that's smart. Yeah, I even then it's just we

757
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,920
have so much food in this house because I live

758
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,280
with giants. My husband's six seven, My sons are six. Crazy.

759
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,119
My three year old is the size of an eight

760
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:16,719
year old. What is the baby?

761
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: What you're going by?

762
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 3: Oh?

763
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,599
Speaker 4: You want me to say bye? Listen mama, and mama's

764
00:38:26,639 --> 00:38:30,199
gotta talk to people that aren't toddlers. For a little bit,

765
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,239
I thought, I if I will remember how unless I

766
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,079
do it, and then she gets a little but cheeks

767
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:36,360
go there.

768
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 2: I don't know what you are You gonna go home?

769
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,760
Signal from your own daughter. That's what she was doing.

770
00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 4: She do me to go home.

771
00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: She's gonna be really confused. She came over.

772
00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:51,519
Speaker 4: She was like, more bars, do it again?

773
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,639
Speaker 2: What did Vice ever say anything to you? That was

774
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:02,440
just like, what the fuck was that? Like? Does he

775
00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:04,920
have phrases? I mean people talk about a sneezing thing,

776
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:08,119
his sneezing phobia. Do you observe any behaviors like that?

777
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,079
Speaker 4: M No. I just kind of didn't give a fuck.

778
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,960
It was like stick to my face, you know. He

779
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:23,800
was just like a roundabout dick. But yeah, I think

780
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,039
he actually like said some ship to my face. He

781
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:27,800
would he would have got something back, and I think

782
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,000
he was aware of that. So it was more like

783
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,320
shisty Carney shit, which I was used to, like working

784
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,760
with Dana, who was like the most straightforward person ever,

785
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,599
and then like Vince would just say whatever he had

786
00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:41,000
to say to get me out of the room and

787
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,159
then do some shisty, corny shit after that, and I'm like,

788
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,599
oh fuck, I can't. I just it just got off whin.

789
00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:48,880
I'm like, I can't work with people that aren't straightforward.

790
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:49,239
I can't.

791
00:39:49,679 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 2: I can't. They call him reality Challenge challenge. Yeah, that

792
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,840
was a Kim with there. So what was you help

793
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,079
our listeners kind of understand, Ronda? What's an example of

794
00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:02,960
like that kind of shisty stuff. I think I get

795
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,079
what you mean, but I'd love to Oh god.

796
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 4: I mean I cannot remember anything specific right now, but

797
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,559
I like just saying I need some lead up time.

798
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,960
I need to be able to rehearse things. I need

799
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,480
to be able to whatever, and like, yeah, we're gonna

800
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:22,880
do whatever we can, and then the next exactly the same.

801
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,679
Definitely the change. It would be all promise to you

802
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,000
the moon and then like, you know, hand to some

803
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:29,599
cheete you.

804
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,559
Speaker 2: For the rest of my thirty five match shit of vlog.

805
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,159
You're getting your hair done, you're drinking water, and you'd say,

806
00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:36,960
this is a fucking promo. This is not an act.

807
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,719
I'm not going out there and doing their fucking act anymore.

808
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,159
They can say it is, do whatever the hell they want,

809
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,960
explain it away anyway they want. Fuck them. Don't rate

810
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:47,679
kfabe Wrestling's fake script, that it's made up. It's not real.

811
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,679
None of these bitches could fucking touch me. The end.

812
00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:52,920
Great promo, what was it a promo? I got to

813
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:53,599
ask you this.

814
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 4: I gotta tell you that this soon is that thing cut?

815
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,840
I'd burst out fucking laughing.

816
00:41:03,519 --> 00:41:04,199
Speaker 2: Right before what.

817
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,159
Speaker 4: I think Maddie was there too, and she was laughing

818
00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:12,199
in the background too, But yeah, that was as long

819
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,639
as I could hold it until I ended up busting

820
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,400
up laughing. But that's what I felt like was the

821
00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:24,079
new way to work in this kind of like information

822
00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:28,719
is to blame that line between you know, reality and

823
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,000
what was part of the performance. And if I could

824
00:41:34,039 --> 00:41:37,920
do half of a sentence in character, half of it genuine,

825
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,800
and just kind of make it fluid and go back

826
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,880
and forth, no one knows who that line is, you know,

827
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,159
and so the performance leaks over into the rest of

828
00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:49,880
the time. And that's what I was trying to do,

829
00:41:50,119 --> 00:41:54,559
was to kind of carry on the performance away from

830
00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:57,440
the cameras, because when I wasn't part of the w

831
00:41:57,679 --> 00:42:00,559
W show, I could actually do whatever I want. I

832
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:02,760
can say whatever promo I want. I can say fuck

833
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,199
as much as I want, you know. And so that

834
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,199
was the kind of promo that I would like to

835
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,360
say that they wouldn't let me say that. I could

836
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,199
just do well you know, getting my braids out at

837
00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:15,639
the end of the day, which is one of the

838
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:19,159
most remembered promos. But yeah, most people have no idea

839
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,719
was a promo which you know makes me proud of it.

840
00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 6: That's that's Those are the winners right there, honestly good

841
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,239
and when we can't tell that's that's fucking money.

842
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:28,199
Speaker 2: Yeah.

843
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 4: And the thing is, I think a lot of people

844
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,400
are they want to still be the cool guy, you know,

845
00:42:33,199 --> 00:42:34,880
They're like, yeah, I'll say all this stuff up. Really,

846
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,760
I was just in character. Really, I was just kidding

847
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,920
and uh chill sonon who. You know. There's a lot

848
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,880
of things that got Man has said that I do

849
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,199
not agree with. But one thing that he advised me

850
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,039
on way in the early days back in like Strike Force,

851
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:53,360
he was like, never tell them it was just to

852
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,400
promote the fight. All these guys be like they get

853
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,920
out of the mic afterward, Oh, you know, not sorry

854
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,400
about everything. We're just trying to like, never let them

855
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,559
know that you were working them because they'll never believe

856
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:06,000
you again.

857
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:06,639
Speaker 2: Yep.

858
00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 4: And so you know, now that I'm done, I'm gonna

859
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,400
be like with you, are you kidding?

860
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 2: That's great? That's what I was hoping for because that,

861
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,800
to be was the heart of how to use Ronda Rousing.

862
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,039
And she goes into your product, she goes exactly and

863
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:25,119
that was the promo to me sold that WrestleMania, but

864
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:27,880
on a different level of intrigue. And she's going out

865
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,039
there and she's saying like, I'm gonna fuck somebody up,

866
00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:31,920
like and you know, you can't do anything about it.

867
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,800
Maybe I won't, maybe I won't, but I can. That's

868
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,960
what that That's what a shooter in wrestling should mean

869
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,519
to me. I don't know, it just and then the

870
00:43:41,559 --> 00:43:44,000
match didn't match that energy, you know, the way it was,

871
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,719
the way it was formatted. I'm not saying effort involved.

872
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,039
I'm saying it didn't have that kind of that theme

873
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:52,480
of like Ron is gonna, you know, go off right.

874
00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:53,599
That could have been great.

875
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 4: You know, No, I don't know. That's that's what had

876
00:43:57,079 --> 00:43:59,760
Like maybe that's what made me have to step away

877
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:01,960
because it got to the point where I'm just like,

878
00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:04,559
they're never going to allow me to make it as

879
00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:09,679
good as it can be, and like meeting them halfway

880
00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:14,440
in this range of mediocrity is like crushing my soul.

881
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,360
So I can but I can't continue to do that,

882
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,760
So I'm gonna go fucking be awesome and doing other things.

883
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,159
I'll take everything that I learned from pro wrestling and

884
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,079
apply it elsewhere and to my other passions, you know,

885
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:31,639
and in comics and fight choreography and film and screenwriting

886
00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:36,000
and all of these things. You know, Like if anything,

887
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:39,639
it was like I was like doing like a what

888
00:44:39,679 --> 00:44:41,800
was it called sabbatical when you go off and you

889
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:46,239
study something for years and come back and utilize what

890
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,000
you learned. You know, that was my my wrestling sabbatical.

891
00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:52,079
I will take everything that I learned from that and

892
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,039
apply it to all the other spaces that are bringing

893
00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:55,440
me joy.

894
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,599
Speaker 2: Wrapping up with you here, we're in the midst of those,

895
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,719
you know, going a nostalgia based wrestling podcast, trying to

896
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,679
go through hul Cogan's whole life and coole career, his

897
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,360
life and times. And we were Hulk maniacs, and you

898
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,119
were a whole maniac. You had the wrestling buddy, what

899
00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:14,960
do you call him, balderin? I think it was, yeah,

900
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,000
beat the ship out of that thing, just like we

901
00:45:19,039 --> 00:45:24,239
did the Hull Cogan wrestling buddy. And well, first of all,

902
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:26,880
what do you how you've been of all on screenwriting.

903
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:29,760
How do you summarize his legacy? You know, complicated guy,

904
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,679
the racism, all that stuff. Yet we want to celebrate

905
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,639
him upon his death for the in fact he had

906
00:45:34,639 --> 00:45:37,159
in his childhood. How do you some of the best

907
00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:39,239
summarize what it all came down to him, why he

908
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:40,760
was such a big deal.

909
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 4: Oh, man, I think a lot of people forget that.

910
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,039
You can, you can love the art and not the artist.

911
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:54,239
And people are complicated. You know, if you're going to

912
00:45:54,320 --> 00:46:00,639
find a perfect person to to like respect their art,

913
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,159
it's like there there's not gonna be much art out

914
00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:11,440
there for you. There's a lot of exactly, there's a

915
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,119
lot of art is a form of expression, and sometimes

916
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:20,840
people are expressing things that aren't pleasant, and the point

917
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,599
is like what does it make you feel? And how

918
00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:25,599
does it affect you? And how does it affect the medium?

919
00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: And you.

920
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 4: You have to respect the work that he's done because

921
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,840
of how it has affected all of those after him,

922
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:42,039
and that he's lifted the tide that has lifted everyone

923
00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:47,239
else's boats. And yeah, he might not have been the

924
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,360
perfect person, but a bunch of kids took their fucking

925
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:51,440
vitamins because of that.

926
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,079
Speaker 5: Guy needles in the ass, right, and.

927
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,599
Speaker 2: That was the bigger problem. Later, the problem is he

928
00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:01,679
was selling the vitamins at the same time that he was.

929
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,559
I was coming up thing.

930
00:47:03,639 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 4: He was like, take your vitamins, kits.

931
00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:08,599
Speaker 2: Oh my god, absolutely actually showing on children's vitamins. There

932
00:47:08,639 --> 00:47:11,559
was a Coken vitamin. H Yeah.

933
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 4: He did a lot of positive things and he was

934
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,679
a very comcapers I mean, Vince McMahon man, piece of

935
00:47:20,679 --> 00:47:24,599
shit human being. Pro wrestling is where it is today

936
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,119
because of him. It could have gone farther without him,

937
00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:30,320
but it couldn't got this far with him. So it's

938
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,079
kind of like, ah, well, thank you.

939
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 2: For your contribution. Having done pro wrestling at the highest level.

940
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,599
What did hulped do in that ring that stands out

941
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:44,840
to you? Presses you because he was word.

942
00:47:44,599 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 4: Of advice he gave me was he's like, keep your

943
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,599
boots on the ground, kid, really wow, Yeah, which he was.

944
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,039
You know, he's basically telling me, like, don't go out

945
00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:57,840
there and do a bunch of crazy ship because you

946
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,599
need to preserve your body. And I think he was

947
00:48:00,639 --> 00:48:02,800
more of that, like, how do I tell a story

948
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:07,039
by doing as little physically as possible? And Brian Kendry

949
00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:09,480
gave me a match between him and Undertaker to study

950
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,599
how he basically did nothing but to be able to

951
00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:16,079
get Undertaker to be able to like take a knee,

952
00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:18,039
you know what, I mean, to be knocked down for

953
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:20,760
the first time ever. That was he didn't have to

954
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:25,440
do like a crazy high spot for that. But I

955
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,360
also I was like, well, I respect that very much,

956
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,079
but I'm also not that person. I want to do

957
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:32,639
the cool athletic ship, become an athlete, and I want

958
00:48:32,679 --> 00:48:36,400
to like push what is possible athletically in this because

959
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,760
that's something that I am really hugely into. I want

960
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,079
to come up with it a spot, what's a you know,

961
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,360
maneuver or whatever that hasn't been done before. That's that's

962
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:52,280
where my creativity lies. But he, I think, was story

963
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,519
above everything, and because he'd been doing that leg drop

964
00:48:56,559 --> 00:48:58,960
and destroyed his back and all of that, he was,

965
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,719
I think, trying to to spare me from doing that

966
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,280
kind of damage to my body. But I was also like,

967
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,960
longevity ate my goal, man, That's not the idea. You

968
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,360
came in, you know, with plenty of dough too. So

969
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,840
that's so if I'm thinking about you tweeting good night

970
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,880
rowdy ones and your brodi marks without a life that

971
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,440
don't know what to work when you work or work

972
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,599
and you work yourself into shoot marks. Do you remember

973
00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:25,320
that tweet he put out there? And why did you

974
00:49:25,679 --> 00:49:28,920
why did you pay tribute to that legendary Holster tweet?

975
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:30,920
I mean it just really fit.

976
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 2: What does it say to you? I think some people

977
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,199
that even know what the hell had means? What does

978
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:37,239
that sweet say to you?

979
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 4: Oh God, I mean it's it's supposed to be like

980
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,519
like a lot of the pro wrestlers are working themselves,

981
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:51,840
and somebody was told me. It was like, I can't

982
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,719
really say who told me. He was so at the

983
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,440
end of the day, everybody doing this throw a bunch

984
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:04,960
of fucking nerds AND's. And it used to be that

985
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,679
there were a bunch of guys that were working the crowd,

986
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:14,639
conning them and now the people that were conned have

987
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:20,800
taken over and they're conning themselves. And so it was

988
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,880
basically like a nod at that that the inmates have

989
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,039
taken over the asylum and it's about you know, everybody

990
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:31,239
that's out there, well not everybody, but you know, the

991
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,800
tweet was saying, are they they've convinced themselves that this

992
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,000
is real and are taking it all way too seriously.

993
00:50:39,159 --> 00:50:42,239
And this is supposed to be you know, fun and

994
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,679
games and you know, just whatever. We're supposed to be

995
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:51,039
working the crowd, and they end up working themselves. But

996
00:50:51,199 --> 00:50:53,199
that's what happens when you spend more days on the

997
00:50:53,199 --> 00:50:56,519
week in character than being yourself. So they know it's

998
00:50:58,039 --> 00:51:02,119
a weird situation to be in. Like, so it's like

999
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,960
socially that everybody else is calling you by his fictional

1000
00:51:06,039 --> 00:51:08,199
name and talking to about in character and all of that,

1001
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,639
and then only on Tuesday thirty, you know, like Monday Tuesday,

1002
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:17,400
you're Ben. It's like it's kind of a mind fuck.

1003
00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:20,880
So yeah, I think it was just the culture. It

1004
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:25,679
could could get pretty there. There's a mob mind fuck

1005
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:26,840
going on sometimes.

1006
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,159
Speaker 6: Yeah, man, it's I mean, when you when you when

1007
00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:34,199
you have to lie to you know, protect your job

1008
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,519
for basically twenty four to seven, you know, you probably

1009
00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:39,639
lose you lose track of whether where the truth is

1010
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:40,760
and what the truth is.

1011
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 4: But that's what I saw motherfuckers out there too, you know,

1012
00:51:43,519 --> 00:51:48,360
like there's just but yeah, I I'll never forget that. Uh.

1013
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:53,599
Bray Wyatt told me that he'd been faking this. Actually

1014
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,239
there's a reference to him saying this in this comic,

1015
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:01,159
that he's faking that accent that like Louisiana character for

1016
00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:04,440
so long that he couldn't go back to how he

1017
00:52:04,519 --> 00:52:08,199
actually spoke before. And yeah, there's a reference in Happa

1018
00:52:08,199 --> 00:52:10,599
in here was like, yeah, talking about faking an accent

1019
00:52:10,679 --> 00:52:13,159
so long they forgot how he used to talk well,

1020
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:18,480
and that's just even if you are solid, it kind

1021
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:23,039
of takes you away. And I think that tweet was

1022
00:52:23,079 --> 00:52:26,960
just trying to like remind everybody that, you know, this

1023
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:30,119
is fun in games and grab ass. Okay, Like I've

1024
00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:33,199
done real fights before. This is you know, we're playing

1025
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,159
picture pages here and everyone's like, oh, dare you say

1026
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:43,239
fake fights for fun this? Uh you don't, dare I.

1027
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:48,599
I mean it's great, I appreciate it, but uh, Wilson

1028
00:52:48,679 --> 00:52:50,440
here has been punched in the face for a living.

1029
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're terrified. I've always felt that people in the

1030
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,639
business are terrified of someone that actually can shoot, like

1031
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:02,280
because there's like they can never get Even Hogan was

1032
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,320
like this, he was mortified by people who could who

1033
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,559
could maybe you know, pull a hold. He hadn't heard

1034
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:08,079
of before.

1035
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,679
Speaker 4: It was so funny, like shit would always only go

1036
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,760
down the locker room. But I wasn't there, and I

1037
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,880
brought this up to Hayman before, and he was like, well, yeah,

1038
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,239
if there's a pit bull in the room, you're not

1039
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,800
going to make any sudden movements when the pit bulls there. Well,

1040
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,639
when the pit bull's gone, you're gonna start rough brousing

1041
00:53:26,639 --> 00:53:28,639
with your friends, but you ain't gonna fucking rough house

1042
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,679
and the nibbles in there, Like oh okay. So that's

1043
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,719
how I ended up being a peacekeeper, Like why am

1044
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,880
I the chick profits up of violence for a living

1045
00:53:39,199 --> 00:53:41,559
suddenly the peacekeeper of the locker room.

1046
00:53:41,639 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 2: But they all behaved differently. When someone can pull their trumpet,

1047
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,679
when someone's around that can pull their trump card, they

1048
00:53:46,679 --> 00:53:49,559
all start behaving differently. I guess psoless.

1049
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 4: It was pretty cool Bayau when I was there, but

1050
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,400
I don't know how much I had to do with that.

1051
00:53:55,199 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 2: Such good stuff. Well, we really thank you run it

1052
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,159
for the time. This was really cool insight into what

1053
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:02,360
you were able to observe. You have a unique perspective

1054
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,519
because you were a main inventor from day one, already

1055
00:54:04,519 --> 00:54:06,840
a huge star and draw and you were able to

1056
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,960
observe these these wrestlers in their natural habitat. And that's

1057
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:15,679
a great way with just a crystal clear visionari of

1058
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:16,559
human behavior.

1059
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:18,039
Speaker 5: I should say.

1060
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 6: I should say too, I just remember something because you're

1061
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,360
mentioned coming in from day one? Is that uh back

1062
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:26,920
in the like I think six months that my daughter

1063
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:31,960
was a wrestling fan. She used to watch that Royal

1064
00:54:32,039 --> 00:54:35,639
Rumble where you came out at the end all the time,

1065
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,280
like that was on repeat, and it was like, yeah,

1066
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:39,639
like she.

1067
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 4: Was so slow, I like just had a baby. I

1068
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:43,880
really love that. She loved that.

1069
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 6: She loved it. She absolutely loved it. It was always

1070
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,360
it was always a favorite.

1071
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:53,119
Speaker 4: So tell her, I think that little coal where my

1072
00:54:53,199 --> 00:54:53,800
heart should be.

1073
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,079
Speaker 2: When you when you come out with the scowl, right,

1074
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,920
it was hard to recreate the scowl and fake environment.

1075
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 4: No, it is more of like just being like focused.

1076
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,239
That's how it started doing judo and coming focus focus

1077
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:13,679
on what you're doing. Yeah, so not performing is basically

1078
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,280
what I think of it as if I'm just being

1079
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,159
myself and being focused, that's how I would be.

1080
00:55:18,519 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 2: But it's about focused, not about doing harm.

1081
00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:24,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not that hard to look through your eyebrows.

1082
00:55:24,199 --> 00:55:27,000
I can do it right now. You know you can't

1083
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,760
see this, but anyone listening, he's working a worker.

1084
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm I'm running away right now.

1085
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 2: I can't. I what do you? What do you think

1086
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,719
about Kayla? Quickly? I mean, here she is with the

1087
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:44,000
judo kind of heritage now winning the titles and racking

1088
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:46,920
up the claudits and the and the awards. I don't

1089
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:48,360
know what your history is with her, but what do

1090
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,639
you think? We used to be roommates and Wakefield Mass right,

1091
00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:55,480
Jimmy Prows for years.

1092
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,039
Speaker 4: Oh we got some stories.

1093
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you can tell as many of them as

1094
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,519
you want. I just wondered what you thought about.

1095
00:56:05,039 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 4: I think that she's doing great, and you know that.

1096
00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:12,559
I think being an Olympian it's just a different kind

1097
00:56:12,639 --> 00:56:18,400
of mentality and you train differently as an Olympian, you

1098
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,480
perform differently under pressure. Is an Olympian, and so like

1099
00:56:21,519 --> 00:56:24,000
anything athletically that she does, I think she's going to

1100
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,480
be hugely successful at that's cool.

1101
00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:28,079
Speaker 2: They haven't reached out to you about the White House,

1102
00:56:28,119 --> 00:56:29,719
have they. I know you've got you're not going to

1103
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,880
fight again? That sounds like the kind of show.

1104
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,079
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, after Mike Tyson being the biggest

1105
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:40,159
fight of the year. You never say never, but I

1106
00:56:40,159 --> 00:56:41,559
ain't the fuck my house.

1107
00:56:42,679 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 2: Tell us tell us why because.

1108
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 4: Because what finished that sentence?

1109
00:56:48,159 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 2: So no, I want you to. I want you to

1110
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:50,960
tell me why you aren't going to do it if

1111
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,519
you would, even if offered.

1112
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,519
Speaker 4: Even if offered, Yeah, I got better ship to do.

1113
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,480
My kid needs pasta.

1114
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 2: Bonda needs pasta to so we got to let her go.

1115
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,679
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1116
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1117
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1118
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1119
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,039
Speaker 4: Gets based on Amazon pre orders, So help me out there.

1120
00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:23,599
And if you think about it, if it if you're

1121
00:57:23,639 --> 00:57:26,559
in the collecting ship, if it doesn't do well, and

1122
00:57:26,639 --> 00:57:28,679
this is the only print they ever do, then it's

1123
00:57:28,719 --> 00:57:32,039
going to be worth a lot to get the comics.

1124
00:57:32,039 --> 00:57:34,840
And it does do well, then you'll get the first edition,

1125
00:57:35,039 --> 00:57:37,000
so you know, think of it as an investment in

1126
00:57:37,039 --> 00:57:37,559
your future.

1127
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 6: I always like getting my daughter, uh uh, you know,

1128
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:46,039
female empowering comics, so it's definitely the list even Yeah,

1129
00:57:46,199 --> 00:57:47,559
I love it.

1130
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me on.

1131
00:57:50,239 --> 00:57:53,239
Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, definitely big thumbs up and uh yeah

1132
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:57,079
LAPS approved. Definitely the expecting the unexpected. Thanks to Rona

1133
00:57:57,159 --> 00:57:58,800
joining us. Thanks so much, Thanks so much.

1134
00:57:59,039 --> 00:57:59,559
Speaker 4: Bye guys.

1135
00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 6: If there was a succeeding proceeding no place of production

1136
00:58:03,239 --> 00:58:04,639
of the LAPS Entertainment Group.

1137
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 5: Its content is intended for reven use only.

1138
00:58:08,639 --> 00:58:12,719
Speaker 2: Philips I say we wanted to se