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<v Speaker 1>Get ready for.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty sixth day of March twenty twenty five. Allegedly, according

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<v Speaker 2>to that thing we call a calendar, this is the

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<v Speaker 3>How do I know that? Because you found it? Anyway?

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<v Speaker 2>By the bye, it has now been a little while

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<v Speaker 2>So every podcast, believe it or not, is in written

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually done a fairly good job. I've monitored it,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm not going to complain. And for those of

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<v Speaker 2>you have asked for transcripts, the transcript can be read

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<v Speaker 2>along with the podcast or an whole afterwards. So just

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<v Speaker 2>telling you if you're downloading this, especially from the speaker feed,

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<v Speaker 2>transcripts are available. And we were asked about that several

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<v Speaker 2>times over the years.

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<v Speaker 3>Well there it is.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it was. What am I talking about tonight?

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<v Speaker 2>How about this the JFK assassination? The new files? Well

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<v Speaker 2>are they new? There's the big question right there. See

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<v Speaker 2>everybody says they're all new. What happened the big document

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<v Speaker 2>dump of twenty twenty five. I hate to put it

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<v Speaker 2>that way, especially because it sounds like I'm automatically insulting

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<v Speaker 2>the Trump administration, but I'm not. A document dump is

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<v Speaker 2>a common phrase for me. But I got two other

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<v Speaker 2>people that you're gonna hear from tonight, and they're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>give you some other information. And I'm still working on

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<v Speaker 2>trying to read these things through. And I bet you

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<v Speaker 2>both of these guys are still stuck in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of it, even though you know they're not necessarily stuck,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're taking their time doing their thing. I know

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<v Speaker 2>they have to be, cause I can't catch up this

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<v Speaker 2>quick now. Jeff Morley from JFK FAX has been out

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<v Speaker 2>there on a media tour, and admittedly I would tell

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<v Speaker 2>you to go check out what he has to say,

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<v Speaker 2>But is there more to be said?

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<v Speaker 3>And who do I have with me?

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<v Speaker 2>Larry Hancock, the author of various books, But I'll point

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<v Speaker 2>you to directly the Oswald Puzzle, which has gotten mentioned,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, during this discussion of the new documents,

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<v Speaker 2>and how interesting it is that Larry's book on Oswald

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<v Speaker 2>fits perfectly with perspective is not blown up and useless

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<v Speaker 2>immediately when new documents come out, And indeed there were

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<v Speaker 2>some new things about Lee Army Oswald but guess what,

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<v Speaker 2>Larry's book still solid even with the new documentation, and

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<v Speaker 2>I highly recommend it. In fact, I wrote a review

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<v Speaker 2>for it on BookBub. Anyway, maybe i'll give you a

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<v Speaker 2>link to that in the show notes, along with a

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<v Speaker 2>way to go get that book. And also the author

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<v Speaker 2>of the War State, and gee, I might have more

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<v Speaker 2>relevant things to talk current events with Mike Swanson later,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're talking JFK documents tonight. The author of the

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<v Speaker 2>War State, Why the Vietnam War? Also hell of a guy,

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<v Speaker 2>and the proprietor the guy at Wall Street Window dot

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<v Speaker 2>com and still putting out a hell.

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<v Speaker 3>Of a newsletter over there.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, by the way, Larrydashancock dot com, Larry Hyphenhancock dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where you can catch up on Larry Hancock's blog.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I recommend you let him take up

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<v Speaker 2>as much space as he does on my bookshelf, because

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<v Speaker 2>I recommend all of his written works. But anyway, that

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<v Speaker 2>all out of the way, let's get to JFK. But

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<v Speaker 2>first let me ask how everybody's doing.

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<v Speaker 4>Mike.

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<v Speaker 3>How you doing tonight, sir?

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<v Speaker 4>Doing good?

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<v Speaker 5>Great to talk to you, and it's always great to

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<v Speaker 5>be talking with you. And Larry, that's a special treat.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I appreciate the opportunity to talk to I'm always

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<v Speaker 2>happy to be the dumbest guy in the room, So

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<v Speaker 2>it's great. Mike is an excellent author for making things

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<v Speaker 2>sound simple even when they're complex. I love that because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the simpleton here. But I love this, and hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>actually Mike and Ile both converge. Maybe a JFK lancer

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<v Speaker 2>this year, and if we can recruit Larry, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to try and at least keep him running the Facebook interactions.

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<v Speaker 2>And I want to talk him into doing a presentation

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<v Speaker 2>over there, but we'll get to that later. Maybe he'll

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<v Speaker 2>do it virtually. Maybe he'll do it with David Boylen

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<v Speaker 2>in person. See David's the co author of the oswal puzzle.

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<v Speaker 2>And last year they did a half and half where

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<v Speaker 2>you had half a live presentation and Larry on the

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<v Speaker 2>horn there or on the.

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<v Speaker 3>Zoom or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Who knows, maybe there will be something called the horn

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<v Speaker 2>by then, as long as we don't use signal and

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<v Speaker 2>try to share bombing plans.

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<v Speaker 3>Did I say that out loud? Larry?

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<v Speaker 2>It is good to have you, and absolutely looking forward

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<v Speaker 2>to what you have to say, But anyway, enough out

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<v Speaker 2>of me.

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<v Speaker 3>How you doing tonight, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm good. It's starting to be spring here. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doing some outside work and join it. And I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>to be on with both you and Mike because the

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<v Speaker 1>way the discussion of going of the releases, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>two or three people are required just to deal with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look, it's a large volume of stuff, and like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, Morley is tackling it over at JFK FAX

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<v Speaker 2>with a team of people, and there have been teams

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<v Speaker 2>of people. Mary Ferrell involved, some you know, other independent groups.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody's trying to tackle all this stuff and see what

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<v Speaker 2>it is we can learn from a significant release. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we can all agree that it is a significant

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<v Speaker 2>number of pages, but you know, what is the significance

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<v Speaker 2>of the information. Of course, I'm not going to sit

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<v Speaker 2>here and do what everybody else does and go, what's

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<v Speaker 2>the smoking gun, Larry?

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<v Speaker 3>What did we learn? Who did it? I'm not doing

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<v Speaker 3>that to you, or to Mike or to myself.

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<v Speaker 5>Let me ask Mia, yo, something did you? Morley had

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<v Speaker 5>a webinar last week. I think that the very next

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<v Speaker 5>day after the files were released, and seventy five percent

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<v Speaker 5>of it was him giving a layout of some of

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<v Speaker 5>the information teas researched about Angleton. But the beginning of

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<v Speaker 5>it had this Representative Anna Luna who's going to be

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<v Speaker 5>running congressional hearing about the release and the Kennedy assassination

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<v Speaker 5>too next week. I think it's it's on April the first.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess it's going to be a one day hearing.

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<v Speaker 5>But did y'all catch that webinar at all?

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<v Speaker 4>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>I was there for the most of it, Larry, you

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<v Speaker 2>were there too, right, Yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Was on the webinar and I have been. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I've chatted with jeff almost every day, including you know,

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<v Speaker 1>about what information is going to Luna, because it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty clear, it's clearly pretty clear at this point in

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<v Speaker 1>time that our only chance of getting outside the box,

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<v Speaker 1>as it were, in other words, outside the box of

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<v Speaker 1>the JFK files, right is to get someone to start

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<v Speaker 1>beating the drum for collecting in other places, because now

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<v Speaker 1>we've got what's in the box. But what's in the

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<v Speaker 1>box is not all there is to get to see.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, do we have all of it? And

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<v Speaker 2>Representative Luna's there, now, let's be fair. Jefferson Morley is gonna,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, testify on the first of April, even though

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<v Speaker 2>Luna made the joke and said she was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>move it to the second so nobody would take it

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<v Speaker 2>as an April fool's joke.

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<v Speaker 3>While she was there, she said that, and it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was good to see at least official cooperation with the

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<v Speaker 2>community a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't know how I feel about it entirely.

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<v Speaker 3>Is this going to be just.

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<v Speaker 2>A political creatures act that goes on here? Is this

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<v Speaker 2>going to be just for the show and to try

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, capture a couple of headlines and get

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<v Speaker 2>some positive responses from the public.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got my suspicions always when somebody from inside wants

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<v Speaker 2>to work with those of us on the outside.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, one thing I want to talk about in

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<v Speaker 5>this talk with both of y'all.

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<v Speaker 4>So, I mean, it's.

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<v Speaker 5>One hand, you know, it's interesting, how I mean, if

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<v Speaker 5>what appears to have taken place, it's kind of interesting

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<v Speaker 5>with with the way the files were released from there's

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<v Speaker 5>associate press story the day anyway, Trump gave an appearance

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<v Speaker 5>at the KENNEYA Center and made a statement that there's

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<v Speaker 5>something like eighty thousand files and they're all going out tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 4>And then we all waited.

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<v Speaker 5>To see what was going to happen, and they came

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<v Speaker 5>out at seven o'clock. I think it was as Morley

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<v Speaker 5>was doing his webinar. Actually over an hour afterwards.

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<v Speaker 3>For clarity, I tracked this mike.

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<v Speaker 2>It started coming out around seven pm Eastern and continued

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<v Speaker 2>to come out, you know, for up until about eleven pm.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there were additional releases added later. But and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe some stuff was cleaned up, you know, maybe some

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<v Speaker 2>stuff didn't go through entirely. Whatever, But this was a

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<v Speaker 2>process that started at seven pm.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>There was associated press story along with this before the

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<v Speaker 5>webinar started, and it said basically that Trump told the

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<v Speaker 5>agencies through Tulsa Gabbard, they have to release these files

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<v Speaker 5>and they had a new deadline to do it. They

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<v Speaker 5>told him this the day before, and the Justice Department

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<v Speaker 5>had a couple hundred lawyers, maybe more than that, a

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<v Speaker 5>whole bunch of lawyers. Each one had to look through

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<v Speaker 5>something like, according to the story, five hundred files of

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<v Speaker 5>peace and make sure there are new legal issues. And

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<v Speaker 5>obviously Trump wanted know or as few reaction as possible

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<v Speaker 4>But it was.

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<v Speaker 5>What I think happened was, you know, the first time around,

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<v Speaker 5>when Trump was president twenty seventeen, he said he going

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<v Speaker 5>to release all the files, and we were, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>we it didn't happen, you know, and he put that

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<v Speaker 5>statement on Twitter, all the files coming out. They didn't

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<v Speaker 5>come out, and he looked, you know, disingenuous. And then

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<v Speaker 5>the stories were that Mike Pimpeo, who is the CI director,

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<v Speaker 5>told him, you know, uh to hold off and and

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<v Speaker 5>and uh and and then and so it didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 5>And of course Biden didn't do it either. Oh to

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<v Speaker 5>get it every.

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<v Speaker 4>Single little detail, just to make it simple. Let me,

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<v Speaker 4>let me got negative.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, Trump got some negative uh social media stuff

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<v Speaker 5>out of this. Uh Tucker calls and criticize him.

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<v Speaker 4>The judge now, Briano.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeh, look, there's a lot. And then.

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<v Speaker 4>When Trump gets in office, there was gonna be this.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't I'm not someone who pays attention this Epstein stuff,

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<v Speaker 5>but I had.

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<v Speaker 4>I called them.

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<v Speaker 5>They call themselves people I know Trump fans like, that's what.

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<v Speaker 4>They call themselves.

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<v Speaker 5>And they were excited about the idea of Epstein releases

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<v Speaker 5>and the Attorney General, you know, was going to release

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<v Speaker 5>this Epstein stuff and that turned into a dud and

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<v Speaker 5>they got a lot of blowback on social media. So

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<v Speaker 5>I think all this negative blowback actually came to our

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<v Speaker 5>benefit this time, those of us interested in the Kenny case,

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<v Speaker 5>because we got I think more than we expected we're

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a yes and note of that, because look,

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty seventeen, Trump released a few things as per

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<v Speaker 2>five year time period. Now that is not the totality

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<v Speaker 2>on for twenty seventeen. He basically, i know, pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>summaried this up, summarized this. Excuse me, some reaed this up.

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<v Speaker 2>While summarized this by saying, you know, Trump kicked the

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<v Speaker 2>years later. Now, because of all this and a lawsuit

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<v Speaker 2>our advantage a little bit as far as getting some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of transparency. But this political game is not really

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<v Speaker 2>what did we get in comparison to what we expected

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<v Speaker 2>to get before. And there was also this announcement of

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<v Speaker 2>these additional FBI documents. I don't believe we have seen

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<v Speaker 2>those as of yet, but then again, we have seen

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<v Speaker 2>more than we've seen before. And it's not like there's

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<v Speaker 2>no reactions on these documents either. There are still reactions

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<v Speaker 2>in many places, and we're doing comparisons on these things,

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<v Speaker 2>but this is not a process that can be done

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<v Speaker 2>right away. In the meantime, the media, general media went

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<v Speaker 2>out and made all sorts of declarations. I mean, within

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<v Speaker 2>minutes of these documents being you know, uploaded, they were

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<v Speaker 2>uploading their news stories and telling us exactly, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>Is, well, yeah, coverage basically, I mean I've subscribed in

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<v Speaker 5>New York Times, so I've read it in their coverage,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, said their story was something like what's in

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<v Speaker 5>the files or something? The headline right, and then the

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<v Speaker 5>very first subheading said Oswald did it right.

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<v Speaker 2>See but that's the thing is, and I said, immediately,

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<v Speaker 2>the mouthpiece of the CIA has spoken, Okay, great, yawn, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you going to do to me? The proclamations

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<v Speaker 2>from the mainstream media are not educated, could not possibly

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<v Speaker 2>have been researched. I don't care how large their team was.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't have time unless they had advanced looks at

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff before it dropped, and they had people that

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<v Speaker 2>So to me, the New York Times declarations or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Daily Beast or whoever else is out there saying

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<v Speaker 2>what they're saying, they are not doing it from a

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<v Speaker 2>perspective of having actually looked at it, Which is why

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<v Speaker 2>we need to talk to people like Larry, We need

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to people like Jefferson. We need to look

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<v Speaker 2>at these things for ourselves, and collectively we need to

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<v Speaker 2>come up with some answers here as to what it

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<v Speaker 2>is we actually got. So, Larry, I'd like to begin there,

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't mind, what is it that we actually

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<v Speaker 2>got after all of this lug of war, the pr game,

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<v Speaker 2>so to speak, at the end of the day, we

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<v Speaker 2>either got some new information or we didn't. What is

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<v Speaker 2>your overall verdict, and maybe you could start to describe

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<v Speaker 2>why it is your verdict is the way it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And I haven't discussed this with you in advance, so

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know fully what your thoughts are.

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<v Speaker 3>Just go ahead. The floor is yours.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And what I said, again, as we usually do,

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<v Speaker 1>we have taught context and we have to accept that

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<v Speaker 1>neither the president nor most of the media that's not

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<v Speaker 1>really been deeply involved with this, understands what the k

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<v Speaker 1>collection is. Okay, I would say I truly didn't understand

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<v Speaker 1>what it was until the Mary Farrell Foundation with the Court,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's been a many months tutorial and what it

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<v Speaker 1>really is and issues pertaining to it. But the point

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<v Speaker 1>is we did not get new documents. We got documents

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<v Speaker 1>that were in the JFKA collection. We all know where

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<v Speaker 1>those came from, the Warren Commission, the HSCA, the ARB's

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<v Speaker 1>that's it. We haven't really seen any new documents since

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<v Speaker 1>the ARRB started releasing things that hadn't been released before.

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<v Speaker 1>So this the JFK collection, I know the first night

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<v Speaker 1>that I started looking through it last week. The Mary

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<v Speaker 1>Parl search engine has a tool on it that lets

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<v Speaker 1>you literally see which generation release this is. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>how has this been released before and how many times?

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<v Speaker 1>And I was looking at documents that had been released

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<v Speaker 1>three to six times previously. Sometimes they had been re

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<v Speaker 1>released with less reactions, sometimes they'd been actually re released

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<v Speaker 1>with more reactions.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, just real quickly, I wanted to ask you

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<v Speaker 2>to add a little context to this because there is

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<v Speaker 2>a matter of perspective we need to take into account

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<v Speaker 2>regarding the people now in charge. You got the DNI,

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<v Speaker 2>which is Tulsea Gabbard, right, she would have some input

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<v Speaker 2>on this, I think, and the current acting head of

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<v Speaker 2>the CIA would have some input on this, yes, But

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<v Speaker 2>in reality, do they actually have the education to even

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<v Speaker 2>know what it is they're releasing? What it is has

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<v Speaker 2>been previously released and would they even begin to explore

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<v Speaker 2>something like you just did regarding has this been released

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<v Speaker 2>three times or six times before? More or less reactions.

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<v Speaker 2>And oh, by the way, if anybody out there is thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>how could they release something with more reactions, let us

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<v Speaker 2>remember that during George W. Bush's administration, he even reclassified

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<v Speaker 2>some things that were previously declassified that happened during his administration.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not trying to make any statements about it. It's

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<v Speaker 3>just a matter of fact.

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<v Speaker 2>We even had confusion as to whether am I now

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<v Speaker 2>in possession of classified documents that were previously dec classified.

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<v Speaker 3>This was an issue, and.

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<v Speaker 2>So we've had a back and forth here where you

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<v Speaker 2>would have to understand the nuances of what has been released,

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<v Speaker 2>what hasn't been released, and what the significance of those

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<v Speaker 2>things are. And it could be a double edged sword

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<v Speaker 2>here where we have it working to on our behalf

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<v Speaker 2>and also against US people not quite knowing what is

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<v Speaker 2>relevant here and what is not relevant regarding previous releases

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<v Speaker 2>and what's happening now. Or is that an unfair statement

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<v Speaker 2>coming from me?

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I thought that was going to be true. I

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<v Speaker 1>think several of us speculated. The way you normally expect

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<v Speaker 1>is that the DNI, you know, the the agencies that

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<v Speaker 1>were involved. You know, if the president says, okay, everything

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<v Speaker 1>that's in collection is going to be released, right if

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<v Speaker 1>it hasn't been released before, we got to release it now,

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<v Speaker 1>every which means you've got to take a look at

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<v Speaker 1>again and swear to me that you don't have a

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<v Speaker 1>case to redact it, because the directive also said, and

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<v Speaker 1>he said, I want you to release everything, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want it redacted, if you know that's what I want. Now, Remember,

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<v Speaker 1>all of these documents are setting at NARA. They're not

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<v Speaker 1>sitting with the agencies. They were all collected, they're setting

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<v Speaker 1>at NARA. NARA had scanned a bunch of them, had

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<v Speaker 1>been working on scanning for a long time. So then

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<v Speaker 1>then the question that's going to be raised, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>could could this have worked in our favor or not?

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<v Speaker 4>Well?

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<v Speaker 1>Working in our favor would be something very literal like no,

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<v Speaker 1>the agencies don't get a chance to look again and

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<v Speaker 1>say no, they don't just kind of like just let

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<v Speaker 1>them go. And that appears to have been what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason it happened that way apparently is because Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>being very situational, went to the JFK Center and took

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<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to literally say it's happening and that's Mike.

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<v Speaker 1>As you said, they called in a batch of people

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<v Speaker 1>just immediately as soon as he said that, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>it's like we're, we're and that's why they released them

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<v Speaker 1>in batches. There were two batches. Maybe there's a third batch.

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<v Speaker 1>None of the twenty three hundred FBI newly found documents

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<v Speaker 1>appear to have been released, and so far from what

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<v Speaker 1>has been seen, it appears strangely that those may be

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<v Speaker 1>documents that were collected for the ARB. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>understand why the FBI wouldn't have realized that was JFK

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<v Speaker 1>relevant if they collected them from the ARB. So bottom line, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>to answer your question, I think things worked strictly through

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<v Speaker 1>the randomness and the chaos of presidential statements, worked to

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<v Speaker 1>our advantage, and that we got. We got things that

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<v Speaker 1>not to have released, like this Lessoner memo, things that

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<v Speaker 1>are hugely embarrassing, things that to the agency, things that

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<v Speaker 1>are usually embarrassing to the country in terms of source

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<v Speaker 1>information from other intelligence agencies. I mean, it's not as

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<v Speaker 1>bad as what's going on in the news now, But

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<v Speaker 1>if I were one of the five eyes, agencies. I

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<v Speaker 1>would really be seriously considering what I could share with

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<v Speaker 2>Right if you wouldn't mind be a little more specific

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<v Speaker 2>about this Lessenger memo, because I think this is of

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<v Speaker 2>some significance and is of interest, not necessarily to revealing

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<v Speaker 2>the shooters on the you know, on the day of

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty second, but it does have something to do

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<v Speaker 2>with the interaction of John F. Kennedy and the CIA,

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<v Speaker 2>because this is literally I mean quick summation again and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe way too quick and way too short. Is Lessinger

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<v Speaker 2>identifying to Kennedy how it is he could would should

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<v Speaker 2>maybe reorber organize the CIA change it up, because revealed

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<v Speaker 2>in that memo, as I remember, is nearly half of

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<v Speaker 2>these diplomatic you know, people out there on the planet

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to be under CIA control. Now that's interesting. The

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<v Speaker 2>diplomatic corps is half basically our intelligence agencies. We're not

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<v Speaker 2>looking at, you know, people out there trying to just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, get good relations, make little deals and make nice,

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<v Speaker 2>mean from the most significant to the least. It's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of interesting that that was sort of revealed there. But

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<v Speaker 2>could you talk about the s Lessenger memo and how

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<v Speaker 2>it came about, and this kind of thing, if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't mind.

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<v Speaker 1>What one of the motives for the assassination, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all the ones that we have has long been that

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<v Speaker 1>the CIA decided they had to eliminate JFK because he

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<v Speaker 1>was going to destroy the agency and that was treasonable

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<v Speaker 1>in face of the you know, the co war. We

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<v Speaker 1>can't let him do this, and the often on the

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<v Speaker 1>front lines, and you know, if he starts messing around

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<v Speaker 1>with us, that in itself is treason us well.

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<v Speaker 2>And the often quoted and repeated, you know, sentiment, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to smash the CIA into a thousand pieces and

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<v Speaker 2>scatter it to the wind, which he said to a

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times reporter, and that reporter let the world

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<v Speaker 2>know about it later, and people have ever after applied

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<v Speaker 2>that to being the CIA in its own defense turned

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<v Speaker 2>around and what assisted in, or participated directly or ran

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<v Speaker 2>the operation that killed John F.

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<v Speaker 2>That's been the assertion in conspiracy culture for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>So or am I incorrect about that?

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<v Speaker 1>That has been the assertion. And so the question is

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<v Speaker 1>was JFK that serious?

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<v Speaker 4>You know?

429
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<v Speaker 1>Was that just a random comment? The what we know

430
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<v Speaker 1>now is that he asked Schlessinger to do a study

431
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<v Speaker 1>and really address the issue. You know, is the an

432
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<v Speaker 1>agency inft? Is it organized correctly? Are we being served

433
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<v Speaker 1>by the agency as it gone rogue to some extent

434
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<v Speaker 1>in administering policy? And lesseners message memo, which is given

435
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<v Speaker 1>to us now totally unredacted, goes into all of those areas,

436
00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:19.160
<v Speaker 1>and it points out that the CIA was so disconnected

437
00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:23.039
<v Speaker 1>that in many occasions it was indeed operating counter to

438
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<v Speaker 1>administration policy and encounter to the State Department. Now, for

439
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<v Speaker 1>those of us who've been looking at memos for a

440
00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:34.079
<v Speaker 1>long time, this is no shock. But what is is

441
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<v Speaker 1>the shock is the extent to which this memo from

442
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<v Speaker 1>Sessions or details how the CIA could indeed be broken apart.

443
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<v Speaker 1>You know, what would you move under state, what would

444
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<v Speaker 1>be under the military, would you even have an agency?

445
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<v Speaker 1>He actually comes up with a different proposed name for

446
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<v Speaker 1>what the function that's left. And so the memo, the

447
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<v Speaker 1>memo certainly does support the prim us that you know,

448
00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:06.599
<v Speaker 1>JFK was looking very seriously at taking apart the c I, A,

449
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<v Speaker 1>and and and gives the reasons why, which again is

450
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<v Speaker 1>you start to say some of it is to how

451
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<v Speaker 1>many officers they have really in some locations, you know,

452
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<v Speaker 1>they're a third of the whole embastry staff. We knew

453
00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:24.599
<v Speaker 1>they were operating undercovers, we didn't realize there were that many,

454
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<v Speaker 1>so that this really is explosive and you can see

455
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<v Speaker 1>why the agency would actually never want that public.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, does this also relate to what we've discussed on

457
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<v Speaker 2>the program before regarding Kennedy sort of moving things toward

458
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<v Speaker 2>the d N You know what it was that the

459
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<v Speaker 2>d i A as opposed to the CIA, where he

460
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<v Speaker 2>was trying to empower them and seemingly take away some

461
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<v Speaker 2>of the operations from the CIA that was seemingly actively

462
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<v Speaker 2>happening before his assassination, and this related to it in

463
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<v Speaker 2>any way? Does does the Slessenger memo reflect on that?

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<v Speaker 1>I think what it reflects on is in the memo,

465
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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember the exact wording is essentially there's an

466
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<v Speaker 1>expression from JFK that Slessenger is addressing that JFK does

467
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<v Speaker 1>not feel that he can count on getting the truth

468
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<v Speaker 1>that every agency, whether it's done that to be the CIA,

469
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<v Speaker 1>it could be Navy, it could be air Force. He

470
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<v Speaker 1>knows that he's always gotten different stories from the Navy

471
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<v Speaker 1>and the air Force, sorry, the air Force and the CIA,

472
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<v Speaker 1>and that's misled him. That misled him into his campaign

473
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<v Speaker 1>statements about a missile that gap. He didn't trust that

474
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<v Speaker 1>he could give objective information from the services, so he

475
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<v Speaker 1>created the DNI. He now doesn't trust that he can

476
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<v Speaker 1>get objective information from the CIA. You know what's the

477
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<v Speaker 1>answer to that. So it just that the memo confirms

478
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<v Speaker 1>Kennedy's statement that he's not satisfied that he's getting objective

479
00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:09.079
<v Speaker 1>information the way the intelligence community is designed.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, that's one way to go about it. And meanwhile, Mike,

481
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:18.440
<v Speaker 2>you'd observed some connections with well the Joint chiefs of Staff.

482
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<v Speaker 2>And another thing that has come out in these discussions

483
00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:25.000
<v Speaker 2>in the past week has been regarding Northwoods, right.

484
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<v Speaker 5>And that's I want to make one other point. That's

485
00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:36.079
<v Speaker 5>the whole other thing, just with the current news, you know,

486
00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:41.799
<v Speaker 5>in the in the release of the files. So this

487
00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:47.480
<v Speaker 5>representative Luna, about six weeks ago, she held a press

488
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:50.880
<v Speaker 5>conference announcing, you know that she's going to do this.

489
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<v Speaker 5>She's hitting this task force. And the task force is

490
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<v Speaker 5>part of another congressional what is the word for it,

491
00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:04.240
<v Speaker 5>A Congressional Committee. Okay, well, the task Force, because a

492
00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:05.319
<v Speaker 5>sub you know, is.

493
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<v Speaker 2>A subcommittee of like say, the Intelligence Committee, which I

494
00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:10.240
<v Speaker 2>think is what will be the awesome says that this

495
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:12.759
<v Speaker 2>hearing that Morley is going to testify under, it'll be

496
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<v Speaker 2>in front of the Intelligence Committee.

497
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<v Speaker 4>Young Luna is in charge of this hearing.

498
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:22.359
<v Speaker 5>Anyway, she has this press conference, and you know, she

499
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<v Speaker 5>said some stuff about the assassination. And there are two

500
00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:34.640
<v Speaker 5>things she said. One the goal, her goal, Okay, she

501
00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:38.720
<v Speaker 5>said her goal was to change the narrative in regards

502
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:44.039
<v Speaker 5>to the assassination, right, and then she said that previous

503
00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:50.680
<v Speaker 5>congressional and all the previous congressional investigations, she said, basically,

504
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:56.160
<v Speaker 5>we're failures, including the very first one. She conflated the

505
00:28:56.200 --> 00:29:00.359
<v Speaker 5>Warren Commission as being a congressional investigation.

506
00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:01.200
<v Speaker 4>Which it wasn't, right.

507
00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:06.440
<v Speaker 5>And and then she there's another fact or statement. She

508
00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:09.640
<v Speaker 5>said that you know it was mistaken. This I'm not

509
00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:17.200
<v Speaker 5>just a mistake, okay. And I got the impression that

510
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<v Speaker 5>she does at that time when she's given this press conference,

511
00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:25.240
<v Speaker 5>she didn't really know very much about the assassination itself,

512
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:29.720
<v Speaker 5>but that phrase she wants to change the narrative. She

513
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:34.079
<v Speaker 5>obviously wasn't looking, you know, it isn't looking to reaffirm

514
00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:37.519
<v Speaker 5>the Warren Commission. And she said some stuff about she

515
00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:43.400
<v Speaker 5>believed there's a second shooter. She said that, Now what

516
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<v Speaker 5>Another interesting comment she made was that she's coordinating with

517
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<v Speaker 5>the White House.

518
00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:56.960
<v Speaker 4>So I got the impression she might.

519
00:29:56.839 --> 00:29:59.599
<v Speaker 5>Have said the nationals someone on the on the National

520
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:04.640
<v Speaker 5>Security Council, actually, but I got the impression that there's

521
00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:07.240
<v Speaker 5>some I don't know who it is, but there's someone

522
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:12.559
<v Speaker 5>on the National Security staff that she or the people.

523
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:14.480
<v Speaker 5>You know, it's not just her. I'm sure it's a

524
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:17.680
<v Speaker 5>couple of people with the staff that she's working with

525
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:22.920
<v Speaker 5>for this hearing. They're closely working with the White House.

526
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<v Speaker 5>I mean, she basically said that. And then okay, and

527
00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:34.920
<v Speaker 5>then the Epstein thing, you know, happens and it turns

528
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<v Speaker 5>into a fiasco sort of a whole lot, and then

529
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:44.319
<v Speaker 5>we get these files released, and then her appearance in

530
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<v Speaker 5>Morley's webinar was very interesting to me. Now, she basically

531
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<v Speaker 5>said in this webinar that she thought the c did it.

532
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<v Speaker 4>Well. She said, but.

533
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<v Speaker 2>Here's the thing, Mike, here's the thing, Mike, and I

534
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:07.960
<v Speaker 2>need to make this comment here because what we have

535
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:11.319
<v Speaker 2>here is somebody conflating a bunch of things, Okay, and

536
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:13.720
<v Speaker 2>this is due to the fact that, again, I think

537
00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:16.279
<v Speaker 2>the people that are in power at the moment, who

538
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:19.440
<v Speaker 2>were actually empowered and can release these things, are looking

539
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:24.759
<v Speaker 2>at it from a pr standpoint, sort of a political standpoint, right,

540
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:26.480
<v Speaker 2>they're scoring points.

541
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:26.960
<v Speaker 4>So I'm trying to.

542
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<v Speaker 3>That's what they're doing.

543
00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:32.079
<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, they're not read in like

544
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:34.839
<v Speaker 2>you pointed out, she's conflating the Warren Commission with a

545
00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:39.680
<v Speaker 2>congressional hearing. Meanwhile, if she knew the actual official conclusion

546
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:42.960
<v Speaker 2>of the House Select Committee, which would be a congressional hearing,

547
00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:46.440
<v Speaker 2>then she'd know that the House Select Committee basically already

548
00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:47.880
<v Speaker 2>concluded that there.

549
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<v Speaker 3>Was help for Ozone, Right, So.

550
00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:51.640
<v Speaker 4>You bring that up.

551
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:55.039
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, When the New York Times reported on the files release,

552
00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:59.559
<v Speaker 5>they had that headline, Oswell did it. And in that

553
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:04.359
<v Speaker 5>part of the story or subheating, Oswald did it?

554
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:06.480
<v Speaker 4>You know what did the files say? Right?

555
00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:11.680
<v Speaker 5>And in that subheating it said that every congressional committee

556
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:18.119
<v Speaker 5>or in every government investigation concluded that Oswald was the assassin.

557
00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:23.039
<v Speaker 5>That's not true. You know, we know the House Select

558
00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:27.799
<v Speaker 5>Committee concluded that there is more than one shooter.

559
00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:31.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but they but they effectively concluded. But but Mike,

560
00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:34.640
<v Speaker 2>they effectively concluded that Oswald did it too. It's just

561
00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:36.119
<v Speaker 2>that he had help, you know what I mean?

562
00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:37.480
<v Speaker 4>So, yeah, I know.

563
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:41.720
<v Speaker 5>But the way the New York Times phrased this was

564
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:42.759
<v Speaker 5>very misleading.

565
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:45.240
<v Speaker 4>Of course, you know, they don't they didn't say that.

566
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:51.839
<v Speaker 5>It's very misleading, right, deliberately misleading, deliberately misleading. Whereas when

567
00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:55.400
<v Speaker 5>this representative Luna was given a press conference, I didn't

568
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:58.839
<v Speaker 5>feel like, oh, she's deliberately trying to deceive, you know,

569
00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:02.359
<v Speaker 5>or anything like that. She just isn't a hundred you know,

570
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:08.680
<v Speaker 5>does She's new to this and Larry have been looking

571
00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:10.240
<v Speaker 5>into this stuff forever.

572
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:11.599
<v Speaker 4>You know, these people have not.

573
00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:17.839
<v Speaker 5>And frankly, I don't think the people in the government, uh,

574
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:22.759
<v Speaker 5>the CIA or other agencies of the government, Yeah they

575
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:27.519
<v Speaker 5>know who did it, or them, you know, could tell

576
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:29.720
<v Speaker 5>I have evidence he really did it.

577
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Not only don't they know who did it, but they

578
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:34.160
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't know where to look for the evidence. See that's

579
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:35.400
<v Speaker 2>the thing about this, right, But.

580
00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:39.799
<v Speaker 4>What good about the morally webinar?

581
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:46.480
<v Speaker 5>She said on the webinar that they are she's been

582
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:52.559
<v Speaker 5>tipped off basically that there's a CIA Inspector General's report

583
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:58.759
<v Speaker 5>somewhere in these files that says that there are people

584
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:04.279
<v Speaker 5>in the CIA that that were whistleblowers and talked about

585
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:09.599
<v Speaker 5>some sort of involvement of the agency or something, you know.

586
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:15.079
<v Speaker 5>And she said this was basically, if this can be discovered,

587
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:19.960
<v Speaker 5>it would just blow the lid on everything. Or I

588
00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:24.480
<v Speaker 5>can't remember the exact phrase she had. She's basically, yeah,

589
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:27.360
<v Speaker 5>making it sound like there's this smoking gun document that

590
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:30.079
<v Speaker 5>she hasn't seen, but it's been tipped off, is out

591
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:30.519
<v Speaker 5>there and.

592
00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:32.639
<v Speaker 4>So forth.

593
00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:35.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but here's the realistic thing, right, just like when

594
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:38.280
<v Speaker 2>you see an unnamed source, you know, with a newspaper,

595
00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:43.440
<v Speaker 2>here's the problem. That source tipping her, especially in Trump Land,

596
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:46.960
<v Speaker 2>could be anybody from Mike Pompeio, who was the former

597
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:49.000
<v Speaker 2>head of the CIA, was also the former out of

598
00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:52.000
<v Speaker 2>the State Department, right, who had access to things, who

599
00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:54.920
<v Speaker 2>was asked about these things and was involved in the

600
00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:58.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, withholding of documents in twenty seventeen. It could

601
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:01.960
<v Speaker 2>be anybody from Mike Pompeio talking to her to Roger

602
00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:05.199
<v Speaker 2>Stone telling her that hey, there is a smoking gun.

603
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:07.320
<v Speaker 4>It's so very unreliable.

604
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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I can give a little context too, because okay,

605
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<v Speaker 1>this is not Luna's first subcommittee hearing. Her first series

606
00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:19.559
<v Speaker 1>of hearings had to do with UFOs. And one of

607
00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:23.760
<v Speaker 1>the things that all representatives, I think are it's a

608
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:27.599
<v Speaker 1>risk they fake, is they don't investigate things until they

609
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:31.719
<v Speaker 1>get tips, until they get leads. And these days whistleblowers

610
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:35.719
<v Speaker 1>is the thing people people are going to their congressman

611
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:40.000
<v Speaker 1>saying I have insider information. And that is what happened

612
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:44.079
<v Speaker 1>to her on the UFO thing. She had people that

613
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:47.519
<v Speaker 1>had worked for the government, the whole set of them

614
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:51.280
<v Speaker 1>that claim to have inside information. And as a representative,

615
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:55.039
<v Speaker 1>her view of life is okay, if these people have

616
00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:59.440
<v Speaker 1>some credentials, you know, I'm a representative. I need to

617
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:01.000
<v Speaker 1>put this in front of the nation.

618
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<v Speaker 4>Now.

619
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<v Speaker 1>One of the problems is with UFOs she got a

620
00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:08.360
<v Speaker 1>real mix bag. She got some of the people approaching

621
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:13.239
<v Speaker 1>her like pilots that were credible witnesses, and another set

622
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:17.079
<v Speaker 1>of people really who have nothing other than gossip and anecdotes,

623
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:21.519
<v Speaker 1>and so her her hearings on UFOs were kind of

624
00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:25.639
<v Speaker 1>a mixed bag. Now, a good side of things, since

625
00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:29.039
<v Speaker 1>I do the UFO stuff too, is it opened up

626
00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:31.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot of discussion, and I opened up a lot

627
00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:33.840
<v Speaker 1>of interest in the topic, and that always gives you

628
00:36:33.880 --> 00:36:36.960
<v Speaker 1>some room to maneuver. She's going through the same thing

629
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<v Speaker 1>on JFK, as you said, Mike. She has a source

630
00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:43.960
<v Speaker 1>and she's been very sincere about this that has told her,

631
00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:46.119
<v Speaker 1>and this has got to be an inside source who

632
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:50.119
<v Speaker 1>has seen an IG report that talks about this, and

633
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<v Speaker 1>so she has been told there was at one point

634
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<v Speaker 1>an officeral not part of the JFK collection. You know,

635
00:36:56.280 --> 00:37:01.039
<v Speaker 1>this is something outside the collection and IGOR that existed

636
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:05.800
<v Speaker 1>and was never given to anybody investigating this. That shows

637
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<v Speaker 1>that the CIA did have whistle blowers that provided them information,

638
00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:14.039
<v Speaker 1>which is kind of interesting because we know that down

639
00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:18.039
<v Speaker 1>at Wave that they did ask some questions and collect

640
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:22.719
<v Speaker 1>some information right that was never given to the Warrant

641
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Commission or anybody else. But she's kind of I think

642
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:31.719
<v Speaker 1>what's going on now, especially with Jeff being giving testimony,

643
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:35.280
<v Speaker 1>is she's once again in between these people who claim

644
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:40.800
<v Speaker 1>to be whistleblowers. Some may be credible, most probably aren't.

645
00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:43.840
<v Speaker 1>And you know, it's an exposure and I guess what

646
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:46.800
<v Speaker 1>you have to say is at least she's gutsy enough

647
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:51.159
<v Speaker 1>to go risk her a reputation to walk that line,

648
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:54.400
<v Speaker 1>which is, you know, a real high risk line. But

649
00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:56.679
<v Speaker 1>I will say, and this is Chuck, you know I

650
00:37:56.679 --> 00:38:01.199
<v Speaker 1>always do this. This is my editorial opiniontorial opinion is

651
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:04.880
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing in the JFK collection that we now have

652
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:08.719
<v Speaker 1>that's going to solve this mystery unless we can go

653
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:12.679
<v Speaker 1>outside the box and collect some other stuff, whether it's

654
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:17.519
<v Speaker 1>original films from NBC or whether it's things that we

655
00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:20.920
<v Speaker 1>know about that weren't given to anybody by the CIA

656
00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:24.559
<v Speaker 1>or the Unless you get out of the box, we're done.

657
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:27.320
<v Speaker 1>Trump is going to sign this off as a done deal,

658
00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:31.400
<v Speaker 1>claim credit. It's over unless she can get spur the

659
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:34.840
<v Speaker 1>water enough to get some more collections done.

660
00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:35.559
<v Speaker 3>Right now.

661
00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:38.719
<v Speaker 2>In the nineteen seventies, right during the House Select Committee,

662
00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:41.920
<v Speaker 2>there were people honestly asking why aren't there more of

663
00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:45.800
<v Speaker 2>these reports, these types of IG reports. There should be

664
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:47.960
<v Speaker 2>more of this, There should be more of this analysis.

665
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:53.079
<v Speaker 2>There should be something criticizing the Secret Service for interest

666
00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:56.719
<v Speaker 2>per instance. Right there should be this or not. There

667
00:38:56.760 --> 00:38:59.320
<v Speaker 2>should have been plenty of people looking into why these

668
00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:02.480
<v Speaker 2>things went wrong at least and they were asking for

669
00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:06.079
<v Speaker 2>it openly back then. And guess what they came up with. Nothing,

670
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:09.719
<v Speaker 2>So you know, I mean not nothing, but essentially nothing

671
00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:14.239
<v Speaker 2>compared to the amount of reports and investigations that they

672
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:17.639
<v Speaker 2>would have expected when things went wrong like this. Okay,

673
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:23.440
<v Speaker 2>and this is again my editorial, right, So that question

674
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:25.400
<v Speaker 2>has been out there and opened for a long time.

675
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:28.840
<v Speaker 2>If she has indeed stumbled across somebody who legitimately has

676
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:32.480
<v Speaker 2>that information, that's great. But you and I, Larry, both

677
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:36.000
<v Speaker 2>know that there have been legends of documents, There have

678
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:39.679
<v Speaker 2>been legends of investigations. In fact, there was a whole

679
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:45.400
<v Speaker 2>investigation that took place in nineteen eighty eight that nobody

680
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:49.119
<v Speaker 2>can seem to find any paper trail for. Right There

681
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:52.159
<v Speaker 2>are people that said they were questioned in the in

682
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:56.360
<v Speaker 2>the later and mid eighties by official people from the

683
00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:59.559
<v Speaker 2>Department of Justice, the FBI showed up this and that

684
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:02.239
<v Speaker 2>and the th thing, and nobody to this day has

685
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:05.480
<v Speaker 2>ever found this paper trail to show that there was

686
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:09.840
<v Speaker 2>an organized investigation to re examine stuff in the Kennedy case.

687
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:12.360
<v Speaker 3>Are you're aware that one right now?

688
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

689
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:16.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, So we have the legend of an investigation

690
00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:20.400
<v Speaker 2>and no paperwork for it. Now, if somebody's got that

691
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:25.000
<v Speaker 2>or a whistleblower says, they know the whereabouts of where

692
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:28.360
<v Speaker 2>that paper trail went. Who knows what might be revealed

693
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:30.840
<v Speaker 2>in there. I don't know, but there's a lot of

694
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:34.840
<v Speaker 2>stuff that happened. I mean, they questioned photographers, they questioned,

695
00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:38.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, people that were witnesses to different events in

696
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:41.519
<v Speaker 2>the late eighties. And to this day, nobody can find

697
00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:44.960
<v Speaker 2>the transcripts, the FBI reports what are they called three

698
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:48.920
<v Speaker 2>to two reports the incidents, and nobody can find this stuff.

699
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:51.400
<v Speaker 2>And yet over and over again we have people that

700
00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:55.559
<v Speaker 2>were seemingly and previously unconnected to one another stating they

701
00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:58.800
<v Speaker 2>had been approached, they had been questioned, they had officials

702
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:02.599
<v Speaker 2>come to them, investigators come to them who either were

703
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:05.239
<v Speaker 2>claiming to be FBI, claiming to be connected to the

704
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Department of Justice and not or were And we still

705
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:12.760
<v Speaker 2>do not have these files in hand. And one would

706
00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:16.719
<v Speaker 2>think logically that this would be a legitimate piece of

707
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:22.559
<v Speaker 2>the JFK investigation. And indeed, if somebody's got these FBI files,

708
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:26.519
<v Speaker 2>they could be connected to that legendary investigation. But I'm

709
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:29.199
<v Speaker 2>speculating out here openly. This is not you know, I

710
00:41:29.239 --> 00:41:32.119
<v Speaker 2>have no evidence to back up what I'm saying. Here,

711
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:35.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying theoretically that is something.

712
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:38.239
<v Speaker 1>That could bear to we've been in the uf if

713
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:42.880
<v Speaker 1>she was burned a certain extent, although in a couple

714
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:46.559
<v Speaker 1>of instances that's still open to be determined. The interesting

715
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:49.559
<v Speaker 1>thing is the net result from the UFO case is

716
00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:53.679
<v Speaker 1>a government entity was created, right with a lot of

717
00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:58.840
<v Speaker 1>pushing actually from her committee. That entity is now actively

718
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:03.840
<v Speaker 1>pursuing those those types of whistleblower leads. Unfortunately, here's You've

719
00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:07.920
<v Speaker 1>got to love this transparency, right, So her efforts at

720
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:13.800
<v Speaker 1>transparency resulted in an agency being created that you know,

721
00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:16.760
<v Speaker 1>it's folks, it's its own work, was going to heavily

722
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:21.360
<v Speaker 1>involve IGS, and now that is no longer transparent because

723
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:24.880
<v Speaker 1>it has national security implications. You got to love that, right,

724
00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:29.840
<v Speaker 1>But I get so we don't. And I guess all

725
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:34.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm really getting at here is I'm not sure how

726
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:36.679
<v Speaker 1>we're going to resolve this without a Hail Mary. So

727
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:39.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm not adverse to hail Mary's at this point in time.

728
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<v Speaker 5>Well, well, I feel like just the files that have

729
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:49.280
<v Speaker 5>been what we have now, just what we have now,

730
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:53.119
<v Speaker 5>and well still it's going to take a long time

731
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:56.239
<v Speaker 5>for people to look through them. They're not going to

732
00:42:56.280 --> 00:43:01.559
<v Speaker 5>solve the assassination, like Larry said, but they'll provide a

733
00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:06.480
<v Speaker 5>incredible amount of historic detail that can be used to

734
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:10.000
<v Speaker 5>better understand everything surrounding.

735
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:12.320
<v Speaker 3>It, right, but definitely expanding, Like well.

736
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:17.480
<v Speaker 5>Larry said, how do we get more stuff? You know,

737
00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:20.679
<v Speaker 5>what has to be done to get to keep the pressure.

738
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<v Speaker 2>Right, We almost need an ARRB Part two to get

739
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:27.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, another and that required a huge outcry and

740
00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:29.360
<v Speaker 2>all that, And of course we know the story of

741
00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:31.960
<v Speaker 2>the Oliver Stone film. But with that in mind, I'd

742
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:34.480
<v Speaker 2>like to turn to something that is a bit interesting

743
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:38.199
<v Speaker 2>and has expanded now in people's knowledge base. And of

744
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:41.519
<v Speaker 2>course the Records Collection Actor is responsible for anybody even

745
00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:46.199
<v Speaker 2>being aware of it, and that's Operation Northwoods. Okay, we

746
00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:50.159
<v Speaker 2>now know that not only did you know Northwoods everybody

747
00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:51.880
<v Speaker 2>in case you don't know, let's just you know, give

748
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:52.480
<v Speaker 2>you the summary.

749
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:53.039
<v Speaker 3>Once again.

750
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<v Speaker 2>You have this proposal from the Joint Chiefs of Staff

751
00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:58.599
<v Speaker 2>presented to John F. Kennedy and I think nineteen sixty

752
00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:04.199
<v Speaker 2>one regarding you know, a tactical and planning to cause

753
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:06.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, let's just be blunt and nasty about it,

754
00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:11.079
<v Speaker 2>false flag possibilities for how to provoke an incident with Cuba,

755
00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:16.000
<v Speaker 2>justify an invasion, even maybe you know, all this stuff

756
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:20.199
<v Speaker 2>and wild accusations about maybe you know, staging a a

757
00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:23.719
<v Speaker 2>US airliner being blown up with students on it. Uh,

758
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:26.079
<v Speaker 2>maybe without real students on it, but you know, we

759
00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:29.719
<v Speaker 2>could stage this et cetera, remote control planes, all this

760
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:35.199
<v Speaker 2>wild stuff. JFK uh you know, said no basically to

761
00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:38.320
<v Speaker 2>the Joint Chiefs of Staff. But we find out that

762
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:41.519
<v Speaker 2>Northwoods was not completely abandoned and thrown in the garbage.

763
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:45.760
<v Speaker 2>Apparently they revisited this a couple of years later. We

764
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:48.039
<v Speaker 2>now know that we wouldn't have known any of this

765
00:44:48.519 --> 00:44:52.480
<v Speaker 2>without the JFK records collection. But what do we know

766
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:55.840
<v Speaker 2>regarding that now? Larry, are you aware of the Northwoods

767
00:44:55.880 --> 00:44:58.840
<v Speaker 2>expansion of information and what do you have to say

768
00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:01.039
<v Speaker 2>about that? Or even I went to some documents, if

769
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:02.039
<v Speaker 2>you like, I.

770
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:04.480
<v Speaker 1>Am aware of that. And this is the point where

771
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:06.679
<v Speaker 1>I always get myself in trouble and I get to

772
00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:14.039
<v Speaker 1>be a contrarian. So just be prepared incoming. North Woods

773
00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:18.280
<v Speaker 1>is not at all unique. North Woods is simply was

774
00:45:18.360 --> 00:45:23.039
<v Speaker 1>a contingency plan, right, and it came from Lansdale. It

775
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:25.199
<v Speaker 1>did not come from anybody else. That was part of

776
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Mond's mon Goose, and Lansdale was soliciting options. You know,

777
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:36.480
<v Speaker 1>had what had been done before the Cuba project hadn't worked.

778
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:39.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, the military said let's just go ahead and invade.

779
00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:44.679
<v Speaker 1>Lansdale knew that that's not something Kennedy really wanted to do,

780
00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:47.800
<v Speaker 1>so under mong Goose, he went to the Joint chiefs

781
00:45:48.280 --> 00:45:52.119
<v Speaker 1>and said, give me options, give me false flag options,

782
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:54.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, because we're not just going to invade. If

783
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:57.159
<v Speaker 1>we went that route, it would have to be under

784
00:45:57.159 --> 00:46:00.079
<v Speaker 1>a false flag. Now, I can take you back to

785
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:05.119
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty one, nineteen sixty and show you an exchange

786
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:11.599
<v Speaker 1>between Eisenhower and dulles Well, Eisenhower and Bissel actually where

787
00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:17.119
<v Speaker 1>Eisenhower actually literally said, okay, CIA, give me false flags.

788
00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:20.159
<v Speaker 1>Give me false flags. I don't care what they are.

789
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's an attack on Guantanamo and I'll invade.

790
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:24.639
<v Speaker 4>Do it.

791
00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:30.280
<v Speaker 1>False Flags and contingencies for false flags are not really

792
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:32.639
<v Speaker 1>anything new. That's why you see it come up again.

793
00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:39.079
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen sixty two, nineteen sixty three, JFK had had

794
00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:44.760
<v Speaker 1>task the military sink Atlantic with preparing for another Cuban invasion.

795
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:47.320
<v Speaker 1>I know that's wild. I know, people don't like to

796
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:50.440
<v Speaker 1>hear it. There are lots of documents on that, documents

797
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:53.280
<v Speaker 1>that even go as far as using poison gas in

798
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:58.679
<v Speaker 1>the invasion. And so the Joint chief's staff, we're not

799
00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:01.760
<v Speaker 1>talking about the Joint chiefs. We're talking about staff officers

800
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:05.280
<v Speaker 1>reporting to the chiefs who are supporting a tasking from

801
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:09.480
<v Speaker 1>the president. Okay, give me a plan if I have

802
00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:12.320
<v Speaker 1>to decide to go into military, how do I do it?

803
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:15.039
<v Speaker 1>So they revive and go back to their staff and

804
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:20.480
<v Speaker 1>go give me another. Contingency plans are never abandoned, I

805
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:23.079
<v Speaker 1>will tell you right now. In the Pentagon, under the

806
00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:26.679
<v Speaker 1>Joint Chiefs somewhere, there's a whole set of staff plans

807
00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:32.719
<v Speaker 1>for all sorts of contingencies, mostly not false flags, mostly

808
00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:35.360
<v Speaker 1>what to do if the other guy does it first.

809
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:38.719
<v Speaker 1>But that's what those staff officers are there for. So

810
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:41.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm not surprised at all to see that it didn't

811
00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:43.559
<v Speaker 1>go away, because it never goes away.

812
00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:46.199
<v Speaker 2>And in the past we even joked about, you know,

813
00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:49.519
<v Speaker 2>possibly going to war with Canada, and that was a

814
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:53.440
<v Speaker 2>contingency plan that guarantees has developed. And the funny thing is,

815
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:56.880
<v Speaker 2>who knows, you know, at this point, do we really

816
00:47:56.880 --> 00:47:59.960
<v Speaker 2>want to make a more fifty first state anyway.

817
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:02.639
<v Speaker 1>A folder on Trump's desk for Lord's sake.

818
00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:06.320
<v Speaker 2>Right, So you know, yeah, contingency plans don't go away,

819
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:10.000
<v Speaker 2>but they don't necessarily land right on the important people's

820
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:12.440
<v Speaker 2>desks unless they ask for them.

821
00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:16.039
<v Speaker 3>Right. But anyway, Mike, did you want to add anything

822
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:16.360
<v Speaker 3>to this?

823
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:19.280
<v Speaker 4>Oh? No, not right now?

824
00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:24.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, fair enough, But Larry, what else could we have discovered?

825
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:27.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we got some nuances, we have some additions.

826
00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:31.360
<v Speaker 2>I think at the very least, one could say that

827
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:34.679
<v Speaker 2>the constant denial over the decades from the CIA that

828
00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:38.079
<v Speaker 2>we had no idea who Lee rby Oswald was. We

829
00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:40.800
<v Speaker 2>don't know who this kid was. He's just some loser,

830
00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:44.920
<v Speaker 2>some nobody and all this kind of thing. The CIA

831
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:46.280
<v Speaker 2>had nothing to do with him. We would have never

832
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:48.519
<v Speaker 2>hired him as an officer, we would have never used

833
00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:50.280
<v Speaker 2>him for anything. We would have never even looked at

834
00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:56.079
<v Speaker 2>this guy. Apparently, well, you know, big shocker. Maybe not

835
00:48:56.239 --> 00:48:59.159
<v Speaker 2>so true. And that's being backed up a little more

836
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:01.440
<v Speaker 2>in these new files. I think, what do you think?

837
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh? Yeah, absolutely, I think that's it. Just it allows

838
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:09.480
<v Speaker 1>you to have a great laugh when David Phillips has

839
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:13.440
<v Speaker 1>quoted giving testimony that's saying Lee Harvey Oswell was never

840
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:16.719
<v Speaker 1>on our radar. It's like, David, did you look at

841
00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:21.000
<v Speaker 1>the scope? I mean, you know, uh that that has

842
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:22.000
<v Speaker 1>been beaten to death.

843
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:22.280
<v Speaker 4>Now.

844
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<v Speaker 1>I think a couple of interesting things. I did look

845
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:29.079
<v Speaker 1>at one document where the CIA was quite concerned with

846
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:32.400
<v Speaker 1>what they knew about Lee Harvey Oswell. They couldn't understand

847
00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:35.199
<v Speaker 1>why he had gone into Russia through rel Sinki, how

848
00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:38.440
<v Speaker 1>he'd gotten through real Sinki so easily, you know, had

849
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:42.440
<v Speaker 1>he had he shared information to get in whatever their

850
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:45.159
<v Speaker 1>puzzle about this, and they're they're puzzle by how he

851
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:47.920
<v Speaker 1>came out with a Russian wife. I mean all of

852
00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:50.679
<v Speaker 1>that kind that tends to argue that they didn't know

853
00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:54.639
<v Speaker 1>what was going on with Lee Harvey Oswell going into Russia.

854
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:59.880
<v Speaker 1>That there there have been some there have been some

855
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:04.159
<v Speaker 1>other things about Oswald I think are really interesting though

856
00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:08.760
<v Speaker 1>to me, when people say that these files are not helpful, again,

857
00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:11.639
<v Speaker 1>they may not be helpful to the media who's looking

858
00:50:11.679 --> 00:50:15.639
<v Speaker 1>for a smoking gun, but I will say we got

859
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:19.039
<v Speaker 1>a lot of information down at the grunt level of

860
00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:23.559
<v Speaker 1>identities and names and who's talking to. We now know

861
00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:29.559
<v Speaker 1>that in new Orleans, Sylvia Odio's uncle, mister Quitart, although

862
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:33.320
<v Speaker 1>sorry I'm mispronouncing that name, was actually part of a

863
00:50:33.440 --> 00:50:38.760
<v Speaker 1>spotter team that was supposed to be looking at Cuban

864
00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:42.480
<v Speaker 1>supporters and Cuban agents. They were even using they had

865
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:45.840
<v Speaker 1>created a cover identity for this young woman who was

866
00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:50.360
<v Speaker 1>supposedly his niece, created a cover for her using her

867
00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:56.119
<v Speaker 1>as a male stop. We're just beginning to realize what

868
00:50:56.280 --> 00:50:59.119
<v Speaker 1>we didn't see where we should look, you know, names

869
00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:03.360
<v Speaker 1>like you and I and David have discussed. We're seeing

870
00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:07.079
<v Speaker 1>that that was much deeper than we realized at the time.

871
00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:11.039
<v Speaker 1>So it's it's going to allow us to connect some dots.

872
00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:14.199
<v Speaker 1>But that's that's the level of detail. The media would

873
00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:18.239
<v Speaker 1>would never understand U and I wouldn't expect them to understand.

874
00:51:18.519 --> 00:51:21.199
<v Speaker 1>But that sort of thing we are getting out of

875
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:28.280
<v Speaker 1>the reactions that removed sources and names and you know reporting,

876
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:29.800
<v Speaker 1>that's that's good stuff.

877
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:34.800
<v Speaker 2>So overall, what would you say, I mean, what would

878
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:36.880
<v Speaker 2>you add to this that we have learned that's new?

879
00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:40.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean I asked some very specific questions, but I mean,

880
00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:43.039
<v Speaker 2>what what have you discovered outside of the uh, you know,

881
00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:45.280
<v Speaker 2>stuff that I brought up here? That might be of

882
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:48.280
<v Speaker 2>interest to people that you could say, look, I find

883
00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:51.679
<v Speaker 2>this interesting or this is new to me. Is anything

884
00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:53.440
<v Speaker 2>really new to you in these files?

885
00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:55.960
<v Speaker 4>Well, I'll just say one. You know, I barely looked

886
00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:56.639
<v Speaker 4>at the stuff.

887
00:51:57.360 --> 00:52:00.079
<v Speaker 5>Okay, you know it's not even haven't been up for

888
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:03.559
<v Speaker 5>for a week. But I read Angleton's testimony to the

889
00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:08.119
<v Speaker 5>Church Committee, and I just one little thing in there

890
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:10.840
<v Speaker 5>that was kind of interesting was.

891
00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:15.559
<v Speaker 4>He said that.

892
00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:22.599
<v Speaker 5>The KGB did investigation into the assassination for I think

893
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:25.480
<v Speaker 5>it was six months in nineteen sixty four or six

894
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:31.719
<v Speaker 5>months afterwards, and they this is what Angleton is saying, Okay,

895
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:38.079
<v Speaker 5>that that KGB concluded that right wing businessmen and Lynnon

896
00:52:38.199 --> 00:52:40.440
<v Speaker 5>Johnson were behind the assassination.

897
00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:45.519
<v Speaker 4>And Angleton says something.

898
00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:50.639
<v Speaker 5>To the fact that he thinks the Warren Commission should

899
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:58.000
<v Speaker 5>have never closed the uh, the possibility that is a

900
00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:03.360
<v Speaker 5>conspiracy off and left it open and this would be

901
00:53:03.400 --> 00:53:07.800
<v Speaker 5>something that could have been investigated further, this KGB thing.

902
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:09.920
<v Speaker 5>But then he said something like, well, we would never

903
00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:11.880
<v Speaker 5>be able to get the information, you know, we never

904
00:53:11.920 --> 00:53:14.599
<v Speaker 5>would be able to get the KGB to give us

905
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:17.719
<v Speaker 5>the real information that they had.

906
00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:21.519
<v Speaker 2>Right, But then we had a turnover of Russian documents

907
00:53:21.559 --> 00:53:24.960
<v Speaker 2>to Bill Clinton when he was in office at a

908
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:27.840
<v Speaker 2>certain point, and when those things were translated, we learned

909
00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:30.559
<v Speaker 2>a little bit about the possibility that the Russians had

910
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:36.079
<v Speaker 2>investigated the Soviets excuse me, how investigated the circumstances, probably

911
00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:41.480
<v Speaker 2>right away as soon as it happened, because they were clearly,

912
00:53:41.559 --> 00:53:44.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, one of the prime suspects in the world's

913
00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:47.000
<v Speaker 2>mind at that time, right, you know, this guy is

914
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:50.920
<v Speaker 2>a COMMI sympathizer. Uh oh, he went to Russia before

915
00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:54.000
<v Speaker 2>uh oh, you know will Minsk technically in Belarus, but

916
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:57.880
<v Speaker 2>nonetheless he went to the Soviet Union. This guy, it

917
00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:00.320
<v Speaker 2>would be instant that people would start to think that

918
00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:02.280
<v Speaker 2>the Soviet Union was.

919
00:54:02.199 --> 00:54:03.840
<v Speaker 3>A suspect, so to speak.

920
00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:07.199
<v Speaker 2>So it would have been practically malpracticed on their part

921
00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:11.400
<v Speaker 2>not to conduct their own investigation. And indeed, I remember

922
00:54:11.679 --> 00:54:15.400
<v Speaker 2>a television show in the eighties stating that the Russians

923
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:17.519
<v Speaker 2>had concluded. And I wasn't able to read all the

924
00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Russian documents back then, but in the late eighties or

925
00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:23.760
<v Speaker 2>early nineties, I think a TV show went and said, hey,

926
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:28.039
<v Speaker 2>there was a Russian investigation and the Soviets concluded that

927
00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:32.039
<v Speaker 2>LBJ probably had something to do with it, which I

928
00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:35.320
<v Speaker 2>found kind of wild and interesting. But then again, they

929
00:54:35.360 --> 00:54:39.480
<v Speaker 2>were in Texas. It's LBJ state. And oh, by the way,

930
00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:42.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, we also have the different things that were

931
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:43.039
<v Speaker 2>going on there.

932
00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:46.960
<v Speaker 3>They might have tapped into the rumor mills that were of.

933
00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:50.559
<v Speaker 2>The same ilk that we hear about even today regarding that, so,

934
00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:54.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, possibilities are endless there. What are your thoughts

935
00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:57.760
<v Speaker 2>about that, Larry, about the part about the KGB and

936
00:54:57.800 --> 00:54:58.280
<v Speaker 2>all that.

937
00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think two things. I think seen more Angleton

938
00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:06.000
<v Speaker 1>than we have seen before leads us to the conclusion

939
00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:09.000
<v Speaker 1>that you might as well never believe anything Angleton says

940
00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:15.199
<v Speaker 1>about anything if you get trapped yourself in Angleton. It

941
00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:18.440
<v Speaker 1>was two things. He was devious at the core, and

942
00:55:18.519 --> 00:55:22.400
<v Speaker 1>he would craft any of his statements to the benefit

943
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:25.760
<v Speaker 1>of the CIA. I mean, it was like a religion

944
00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:29.719
<v Speaker 1>to him. And he was extremely intelligent. So you just

945
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:34.960
<v Speaker 1>you're hanging yourself out if you accept everything he says

946
00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:39.199
<v Speaker 1>at face value. And I've even shared my view of

947
00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:39.960
<v Speaker 1>that with Jeff.

948
00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:44.239
<v Speaker 2>That's interesting because Jeff is going out now talking about

949
00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:48.000
<v Speaker 2>how the birth of cointelpro is pretty much witnessed in

950
00:55:48.039 --> 00:55:51.599
<v Speaker 2>these documents because it would be a cooperative effort between

951
00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:54.360
<v Speaker 2>the CIA and the FBI. Although most people think of

952
00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:58.320
<v Speaker 2>cointelpro as pretty much Jadgar Hoover's baby, there was some

953
00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:01.239
<v Speaker 2>level of cooperation there had to be at the time

954
00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:04.239
<v Speaker 2>in order for them to conduct some of those operations

955
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:07.239
<v Speaker 2>that they did against the Black Panthers, against the UH,

956
00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:10.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, the student unions, against the anti war protesters.

957
00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:14.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's a lot there that might be filled

958
00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:17.559
<v Speaker 2>in if one carefully studies this UH and takes a

959
00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:21.840
<v Speaker 2>look at Angleton's stuff. But again, his statements, he's lying

960
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:24.760
<v Speaker 2>a lot, and he's lying in intricate ways. It's not

961
00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:28.440
<v Speaker 2>blunt faced. You know, he says it's black when it's white.

962
00:56:28.519 --> 00:56:31.480
<v Speaker 2>He's got a whole array of things going on here

963
00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:36.519
<v Speaker 2>in his statements versus the reality or am I being

964
00:56:36.559 --> 00:56:37.880
<v Speaker 2>unfair about this now?

965
00:56:38.199 --> 00:56:40.559
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's that's a very good point. If

966
00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:44.000
<v Speaker 1>if you look at if you look at ht Lingual

967
00:56:44.599 --> 00:56:48.280
<v Speaker 1>and the documents in this that talk about how Angleton

968
00:56:49.760 --> 00:56:53.199
<v Speaker 1>and Cee I say created ht Lingual didn't tell the

969
00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:56.599
<v Speaker 1>FBI they were doing it, which is is great. Okay,

970
00:56:56.639 --> 00:57:00.760
<v Speaker 1>we're doing this against MAO coming to America and citizens

971
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:02.840
<v Speaker 1>and we haven't shared us with the FBI, but the

972
00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:06.360
<v Speaker 1>FBI caught us, and then we had to explain what

973
00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:09.960
<v Speaker 1>we were doing. And then once we explain what we're doing,

974
00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:13.000
<v Speaker 1>we even offer them the use of our facilities on mail.

975
00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:18.119
<v Speaker 1>Intercept is humorous, but it certainly serves as a prototype.

976
00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:23.920
<v Speaker 1>The excesses that were created there gives a good view

977
00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:27.880
<v Speaker 1>into what Angleton really did with quintelpro, but how he

978
00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:30.760
<v Speaker 1>managed to defend it. Because if you look at how

979
00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:35.239
<v Speaker 1>he's defending ht Lingual to the FBI and kind of

980
00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:39.960
<v Speaker 1>like diverting them and sweeping under the rug all the

981
00:57:40.039 --> 00:57:45.239
<v Speaker 1>violations of you know, citizens' rights, he did the same

982
00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:49.280
<v Speaker 1>thing with Cointelpro. But I think what I wanted to

983
00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:51.960
<v Speaker 1>get back and say, and I've talked to Jeff about

984
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:55.440
<v Speaker 1>this one thing we miss And this is another point

985
00:57:55.480 --> 00:57:59.519
<v Speaker 1>of why I've been conservative about what's in the JFK

986
00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:04.199
<v Speaker 1>collecttion is in regard to Angleton, because we all know

987
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:08.559
<v Speaker 1>that Angleton's files, that headquarters files for c I A

988
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:13.800
<v Speaker 1>SIG were turned over as part of collections, Okay, and

989
00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:17.280
<v Speaker 1>so that's why we find some Angleton CIA SIG stuff

990
00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:21.360
<v Speaker 1>in the in the records that we have released.

991
00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:24.039
<v Speaker 2>If you wouldn't mind to find.

992
00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:25.320
<v Speaker 3>Files, if you wouldn't mind.

993
00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:29.599
<v Speaker 1>Files which were literally hundreds of feet long were shielded.

994
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:32.079
<v Speaker 1>They were never turned over the Warrant Commission. So to

995
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:37.800
<v Speaker 1>think that we could understand what Angleton was doing with Oswald,

996
00:58:38.039 --> 00:58:42.679
<v Speaker 1>or Angleton was doing with anything else is it's not

997
00:58:42.760 --> 00:58:45.840
<v Speaker 1>reasonable because we know that when those hundreds of feet

998
00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:51.320
<v Speaker 1>of records were brought back into the headquarters files after

999
00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:55.840
<v Speaker 1>he left the CIA, a very large number of them

1000
00:58:56.039 --> 00:58:59.039
<v Speaker 1>were not admitted into the into the SA files. They

1001
00:58:59.079 --> 00:59:02.519
<v Speaker 1>were shredded. Right, we don't have a destructional list for them,

1002
00:59:02.679 --> 00:59:04.519
<v Speaker 1>which we should have and we should be able to

1003
00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:08.360
<v Speaker 1>ask for Actually, that would be really interesting. We know

1004
00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:12.119
<v Speaker 1>that things were destroyed related to the RFK assass nation.

1005
00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:17.840
<v Speaker 1>So that just talking about Angleton, how he lies what

1006
00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:21.840
<v Speaker 1>he says that's in the current collection the JFK records

1007
00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:26.599
<v Speaker 1>has to be set set against what never made it

1008
00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:29.480
<v Speaker 1>we we have. I think a lot of people have

1009
00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:33.440
<v Speaker 1>fooled themselves to think that somehow everything that was important

1010
00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:35.880
<v Speaker 1>was collected and if we could get it all, we'd

1011
00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:39.480
<v Speaker 1>see it all. And the answer was no, it wasn't right.

1012
00:59:39.960 --> 00:59:41.760
<v Speaker 2>If you don't mind, before you go any further, just

1013
00:59:41.800 --> 00:59:44.440
<v Speaker 2>try and define for people. The difference between c I

1014
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:47.960
<v Speaker 2>and you know, because maybe somebody doesn't recognize that or

1015
00:59:48.519 --> 00:59:50.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, if you don't mind, just to explain that,

1016
00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:53.480
<v Speaker 2>in Angleton's you know, many feet of files, what would

1017
00:59:53.519 --> 00:59:56.320
<v Speaker 2>what would they have been? Exactly are we talking about

1018
00:59:56.320 --> 00:59:58.320
<v Speaker 2>his personal stuff? Is this sort of like you know,

1019
00:59:58.639 --> 01:00:01.280
<v Speaker 2>Hoover's files, who disappear you know when he die?

1020
01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:04.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, go ahead, exactly like Hoover's files.

1021
01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:08.079
<v Speaker 1>What we really find is, I mean, to run an agency,

1022
01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:10.440
<v Speaker 1>you've got to have a central file system.

1023
01:00:10.119 --> 01:00:13.039
<v Speaker 3>Right And what is again, just if you don't mind.

1024
01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:17.480
<v Speaker 1>But every everybody's got to feed into it. Counter Intelligence

1025
01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:24.760
<v Speaker 1>Operations Soviet Division c ICE is counter intelligence, although counter

1026
01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:28.760
<v Speaker 1>intelligence has two aspects. For Angleton, one of it is

1027
01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:34.519
<v Speaker 1>literally doing counter intelligence against other intelligence agencies, the Russians,

1028
01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:39.159
<v Speaker 1>the Cubans, whatever, counter intelligence against their agents. For Angleton,

1029
01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:42.320
<v Speaker 1>a big part of it was trying to identify moles,

1030
01:00:43.159 --> 01:00:48.039
<v Speaker 1>people that are actually linked to other intelligence agencies inside

1031
01:00:48.159 --> 01:00:54.159
<v Speaker 1>our agency. So c I SIG is counter Intelligence special group, Okay,

1032
01:00:54.239 --> 01:01:00.679
<v Speaker 1>a special investigations group in particular. So yeah, surely CICIG

1033
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:03.760
<v Speaker 1>would have fed a good deal of what they were

1034
01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:07.880
<v Speaker 1>doing into the into the headquarters files, okay, and they

1035
01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:12.360
<v Speaker 1>would have two one files on personalities and individuals and

1036
01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:15.800
<v Speaker 1>that would all appear there. But it's kind of that's

1037
01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:20.039
<v Speaker 1>a good illusion, chuck to the the FBI. You have

1038
01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:23.599
<v Speaker 1>FBI headquarters files, right, and then you have those that

1039
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:27.039
<v Speaker 1>are in Hoover's office his personal files.

1040
01:01:27.400 --> 01:01:27.599
<v Speaker 4>Right.

1041
01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:32.519
<v Speaker 1>Not everything goes into the headquarters files. You have Angleton's

1042
01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:36.840
<v Speaker 1>personal files, which are huge. But according to the people,

1043
01:01:36.920 --> 01:01:40.920
<v Speaker 1>we actually have a document, like a thirty page document

1044
01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:43.400
<v Speaker 1>from the guy who was charged with bringing him back

1045
01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:46.639
<v Speaker 1>inside the CIA. As they said, hundreds of feet of

1046
01:01:46.679 --> 01:01:50.159
<v Speaker 1>files so much bigger than Hoover's. They wouldn't fit in

1047
01:01:50.239 --> 01:01:54.880
<v Speaker 1>his off in Angleton's office. So these are files that

1048
01:01:54.960 --> 01:02:00.920
<v Speaker 1>are Other officers in agencies FBI, c A may have

1049
01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:03.559
<v Speaker 1>what are called saft files that are sitting in their

1050
01:02:03.599 --> 01:02:06.639
<v Speaker 1>desks that have to do with operations they're working on,

1051
01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:10.840
<v Speaker 1>and maybe those haven't geled to the point that they

1052
01:02:10.880 --> 01:02:13.440
<v Speaker 1>were submitted to headquarters. You know, they're kind of like

1053
01:02:13.519 --> 01:02:17.039
<v Speaker 1>working files. They're called saw files. They're working files. As

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01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:20.960
<v Speaker 1>far as Hoover and Angled are concerned, they have working

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01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:23.920
<v Speaker 1>files that are way bigger than what would fit in

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01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:26.639
<v Speaker 1>a desk stower fair enough.

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01:02:26.880 --> 01:02:30.559
<v Speaker 2>So look, we've gone a full hour, okay, you know,

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01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:33.480
<v Speaker 2>just on this topic. And obviously, I mean, look, we're

1059
01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:36.400
<v Speaker 2>scratching the surface of I'm not sure if we got

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01:02:36.400 --> 01:02:39.159
<v Speaker 2>to eighty thousand pages, but I know we got to

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01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:42.519
<v Speaker 2>at least sixty thousand from what I could figure. But

1062
01:02:42.639 --> 01:02:46.280
<v Speaker 2>then again, i'm doing you know, rough estimates myself. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's still some more to come. I don't

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01:02:48.400 --> 01:02:51.360
<v Speaker 2>know if we're going to ever see those FBI files

1065
01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:54.719
<v Speaker 2>that were you know, announced, but here we go again.

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01:02:54.840 --> 01:02:57.880
<v Speaker 2>There's going to be a lot of pronouncements and announcements

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01:02:57.920 --> 01:03:01.599
<v Speaker 2>regarding this, and I think we need to temper our

1068
01:03:01.679 --> 01:03:05.039
<v Speaker 2>expectations about it based on the fact that some of

1069
01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:08.199
<v Speaker 2>this is political theater, pure and simple. I'm not making

1070
01:03:08.239 --> 01:03:11.760
<v Speaker 2>a judgment about Trump, hears people or anything. I'm just saying,

1071
01:03:11.760 --> 01:03:16.239
<v Speaker 2>in general, based on past experience, it's always some level

1072
01:03:16.400 --> 01:03:21.000
<v Speaker 2>a political theater. It's always some level of reaction to

1073
01:03:21.079 --> 01:03:25.239
<v Speaker 2>the public's reaction, et cetera. This is always in play,

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01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:29.000
<v Speaker 2>and even more so in our current age of instant

1075
01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:35.400
<v Speaker 2>gratification social media. The President with his own social media platform, clearly,

1076
01:03:35.519 --> 01:03:37.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, every time he tweets or says something, the

1077
01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:39.559
<v Speaker 2>news media goes breaking news.

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01:03:39.920 --> 01:03:43.320
<v Speaker 3>Here we go. You know, this is the way of

1079
01:03:43.360 --> 01:03:43.920
<v Speaker 3>things now.

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01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:50.639
<v Speaker 2>So in the instant gratification media landscape we currently find

1081
01:03:50.679 --> 01:03:56.119
<v Speaker 2>ourselves attempting to traverse, there is a significant amount of

1082
01:03:56.199 --> 01:03:59.519
<v Speaker 2>tempering we need to do regarding these pronouncements and announcements.

1083
01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:01.599
<v Speaker 2>We're going to give you everything. We're going to give

1084
01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:05.960
<v Speaker 2>you all the files, absolute clarity. This is a new thing, whistleblowers.

1085
01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:11.239
<v Speaker 2>A lot of these terminologies being misused, misplaced, and misunderstood

1086
01:04:11.599 --> 01:04:14.760
<v Speaker 2>by not only the public, but in some cases the

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01:04:14.840 --> 01:04:17.599
<v Speaker 2>people in power. And I think again, it's still a

1088
01:04:17.599 --> 01:04:20.519
<v Speaker 2>double edged sword where it works for us and against

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01:04:20.559 --> 01:04:25.960
<v Speaker 2>us simultaneously in some cases regarding what information we're actually

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01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:29.360
<v Speaker 2>going to get our hands on and what information we

1091
01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:32.719
<v Speaker 2>could potentially get our hands on in the future. Again,

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01:04:32.840 --> 01:04:36.679
<v Speaker 2>that's all my editorial, but let's let my two guest

1093
01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:39.480
<v Speaker 2>slash co hosts here tie a bow on this their

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01:04:39.519 --> 01:04:43.360
<v Speaker 2>own way. Mike, what would you have to say in conclusion.

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01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:48.119
<v Speaker 4>Well, I just know the story isn't over yet.

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01:04:48.159 --> 01:04:51.679
<v Speaker 5>I want to watch these hearings and they'll just be

1097
01:04:51.719 --> 01:04:54.400
<v Speaker 5>in a couple of days, and hope we will get

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01:04:54.400 --> 01:04:56.320
<v Speaker 5>more information.

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01:04:57.719 --> 01:05:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, I mean, what do we got a week? Yeah,

1100
01:05:01.480 --> 01:05:04.000
<v Speaker 2>about a week or so before. It's April first, right,

1101
01:05:04.679 --> 01:05:07.920
<v Speaker 2>so you know, here we go next week, Yeah, next

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01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:12.920
<v Speaker 2>week we should we'll see jeff Jefferson Morley testify. I

1103
01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:15.039
<v Speaker 2>don't know if there's gonna be one day two days.

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01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:16.880
<v Speaker 2>I think they said it would be a one day

1105
01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:20.639
<v Speaker 2>hearing for the public. But again, there's public hearings, there's

1106
01:05:20.679 --> 01:05:22.920
<v Speaker 2>going to be private hearings probably, and some stuff that

1107
01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:24.800
<v Speaker 2>you got to tune into c SPAN and just happen

1108
01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:27.599
<v Speaker 2>to know what's happening in order to tune into. But

1109
01:05:27.719 --> 01:05:30.920
<v Speaker 2>either way, I think the media will continue to report

1110
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:35.079
<v Speaker 2>on it as long as people show interest. But here

1111
01:05:35.079 --> 01:05:37.840
<v Speaker 2>we go again, you know, and it's deja vu all

1112
01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:40.840
<v Speaker 2>over again, as Yogi Barry used to say, We've been

1113
01:05:40.880 --> 01:05:44.880
<v Speaker 2>through this, Larry, and we continue to go through this.

1114
01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:47.679
<v Speaker 2>And what do you have to say in conclusion about

1115
01:05:47.840 --> 01:05:52.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, tonight's discussion or the files in general thus far. Obviously,

1116
01:05:52.320 --> 01:05:56.679
<v Speaker 2>stay tuned to Larry's blog, Larryhancock dot com, Larry dash

1117
01:05:56.760 --> 01:05:59.719
<v Speaker 2>Handcock dot com. And also I have a funny feeling

1118
01:05:59.760 --> 01:06:03.159
<v Speaker 2>that Wallstreet Window dot Com might produce a piece or

1119
01:06:03.159 --> 01:06:05.480
<v Speaker 2>two that might have something to do with one of

1120
01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:08.119
<v Speaker 2>these things. Mike just might be inspired to write about it,

1121
01:06:08.159 --> 01:06:11.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm guessing, but you never know, Mike might be inspired

1122
01:06:11.199 --> 01:06:13.119
<v Speaker 2>to write about it. Maybe I'll publish it on ochelli

1123
01:06:13.199 --> 01:06:15.960
<v Speaker 2>dot com as well. But because we are doing that

1124
01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:19.960
<v Speaker 2>front page thing there, and I am soliciting authors, and

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01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:22.440
<v Speaker 2>I've got quite a few submissions and even a handful

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01:06:22.480 --> 01:06:25.519
<v Speaker 2>on this particular topic which are going to go on

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01:06:25.519 --> 01:06:28.440
<v Speaker 2>the front page, maybe sooner than April seventh. I was

1128
01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:31.000
<v Speaker 2>planning on starting on April seventh with the first post,

1129
01:06:31.039 --> 01:06:34.840
<v Speaker 2>but we shall see. Larry, what would you like to

1130
01:06:35.199 --> 01:06:38.320
<v Speaker 2>do to tie a bow around this particular audio presentation.

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01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:42.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm positive about it. I think Mike had said it earlier,

1132
01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:47.840
<v Speaker 1>this release of the whole thing as a unit, especially

1133
01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:50.840
<v Speaker 1>because the plan is, and I'll say right now, Mary

1134
01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:54.400
<v Speaker 1>Farrell Foundation is going to bring it over the whole

1135
01:06:54.440 --> 01:06:58.000
<v Speaker 1>thing from Nara and put it behind a search engine,

1136
01:06:58.079 --> 01:07:01.199
<v Speaker 1>which will make it much more searchable. Rex has already

1137
01:07:01.239 --> 01:07:04.440
<v Speaker 1>done some of that. For as historians, this is a

1138
01:07:04.480 --> 01:07:08.280
<v Speaker 1>goal mine, okay, regardless of the smoking gun thing. Just

1139
01:07:08.320 --> 01:07:11.039
<v Speaker 1>as far as pure history, it's a goal mine. So

1140
01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:15.880
<v Speaker 1>that's positive. As far as misinformation, disinformation. We could hardly

1141
01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:20.519
<v Speaker 1>have more. So that doesn't scare me. It's promoting some

1142
01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:24.360
<v Speaker 1>dialogue and Chuck, you said it to me up to now.

1143
01:07:24.679 --> 01:07:27.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm willing to accept a double edged sword because I

1144
01:07:27.159 --> 01:07:29.840
<v Speaker 1>don't think we had a single edged sword. So I

1145
01:07:29.840 --> 01:07:31.000
<v Speaker 1>would say, go for it.

1146
01:07:32.519 --> 01:07:35.679
<v Speaker 2>See at least something is happening, as opposed to no progress.

1147
01:07:35.920 --> 01:07:37.159
<v Speaker 3>And you know the very.

1148
01:07:37.000 --> 01:07:40.119
<v Speaker 2>Limited twenty seventeen and then what the Biden administration did

1149
01:07:40.119 --> 01:07:44.760
<v Speaker 2>I think in twenty twenty, if that's accurate, I forget,

1150
01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:47.239
<v Speaker 2>but sometime during his presidency, and this is what sparked

1151
01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:50.800
<v Speaker 2>a lawsuit from Mary Ferrell, because there is still I

1152
01:07:50.800 --> 01:07:53.280
<v Speaker 2>think it's still active, actually, the lawsuit against the US

1153
01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:58.280
<v Speaker 2>government regarding non compliance with the JFK Records Collection Acting.

1154
01:07:58.360 --> 01:08:01.280
<v Speaker 2>By the way, I would state also, and I just

1155
01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:03.039
<v Speaker 2>want to get a yes or a note from you guys,

1156
01:08:03.039 --> 01:08:07.199
<v Speaker 2>and then we'll close this out to this point, regardless

1157
01:08:07.239 --> 01:08:09.239
<v Speaker 2>of what your views are, politics, etc.

1158
01:08:09.480 --> 01:08:09.679
<v Speaker 4>Etc.

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01:08:10.679 --> 01:08:12.880
<v Speaker 2>I would say that we still have a variety of

1160
01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:16.439
<v Speaker 2>agencies in the government in general in non compliance with

1161
01:08:16.560 --> 01:08:21.239
<v Speaker 2>its own law, which is the JFK Records Collection Act. Legally,

1162
01:08:21.399 --> 01:08:24.399
<v Speaker 2>we've seen lots of different non compliance in my opinion,

1163
01:08:24.800 --> 01:08:27.119
<v Speaker 2>including the fact that when the intelligence agencies went to

1164
01:08:27.119 --> 01:08:30.239
<v Speaker 2>Trump in the first place to ask for the delay,

1165
01:08:30.760 --> 01:08:33.960
<v Speaker 2>they didn't follow the guidelines for how it is you

1166
01:08:34.039 --> 01:08:36.880
<v Speaker 2>even asked for the damn delay. You know, they didn't

1167
01:08:36.880 --> 01:08:39.840
<v Speaker 2>say specifically this item because they didn't do any of that.

1168
01:08:39.880 --> 01:08:42.920
<v Speaker 2>They just gave a general thing. And look, Trump is

1169
01:08:43.039 --> 01:08:47.000
<v Speaker 2>very transactional. Is supporter or not? You got to admit that.

1170
01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:50.359
<v Speaker 2>So the thing is, he went with it. He went

1171
01:08:50.399 --> 01:08:52.800
<v Speaker 2>with his best advice. Maybe it was Mike Pompeo that

1172
01:08:52.880 --> 01:08:55.760
<v Speaker 2>advised him. I don't know, not saying that I know

1173
01:08:56.159 --> 01:08:57.800
<v Speaker 2>any of the ins and outs of what's in the

1174
01:08:57.800 --> 01:09:02.239
<v Speaker 2>man's mind. All I'm saying is that we definitely have

1175
01:09:02.279 --> 01:09:05.640
<v Speaker 2>seen non compliance from the government, regardless of who's allegedly

1176
01:09:05.680 --> 01:09:06.319
<v Speaker 2>in charge.

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01:09:06.479 --> 01:09:09.560
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So I think that we have.

1178
01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:12.520
<v Speaker 2>A long way to go regarding the government complying with

1179
01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:17.920
<v Speaker 2>its own mandates and laws here regarding the JFK Records

1180
01:09:17.920 --> 01:09:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Collection Act. So I was wondering what you think about

1181
01:09:20.920 --> 01:09:24.920
<v Speaker 2>that if we have more compliance to be had and

1182
01:09:24.960 --> 01:09:28.880
<v Speaker 2>therefore more information to be gotten or not, or you

1183
01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:31.199
<v Speaker 2>think this will put a cap on it all, maybe

1184
01:09:31.239 --> 01:09:35.399
<v Speaker 2>public interest will die off. Whatever, So your opinion. I'll

1185
01:09:35.399 --> 01:09:37.199
<v Speaker 2>start with Larry and finish with Mike.

1186
01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:41.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't think there will be any automatic compliance it is.

1187
01:09:42.399 --> 01:09:45.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't think if anybody had been forcing the issue

1188
01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:48.800
<v Speaker 1>that the FBI would have looked and found whatever it

1189
01:09:48.840 --> 01:09:52.960
<v Speaker 1>found in those twenty three hundred documents. If somebody, I

1190
01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:56.520
<v Speaker 1>think is very much like we saw before when Enpick

1191
01:09:57.039 --> 01:10:01.279
<v Speaker 1>found the first set of zuppruterer for boards in the closet.

1192
01:10:01.439 --> 01:10:03.439
<v Speaker 1>The guy went to his boss and said, Boss, what

1193
01:10:03.560 --> 01:10:05.680
<v Speaker 1>should I do with this? And the boss said, oh God,

1194
01:10:05.720 --> 01:10:06.960
<v Speaker 1>we shouldn't have those anymore.

1195
01:10:07.000 --> 01:10:08.159
<v Speaker 3>Destroy him.

1196
01:10:08.279 --> 01:10:11.079
<v Speaker 1>I think if somebody turned up at the agency, inside

1197
01:10:11.079 --> 01:10:14.800
<v Speaker 1>the agency and tried to surface something new, it's doom

1198
01:10:14.880 --> 01:10:18.760
<v Speaker 1>from the start. So my view is unless you have

1199
01:10:18.840 --> 01:10:23.039
<v Speaker 1>some kind of forced compliance from the top down, we're done.

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01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:26.880
<v Speaker 2>See and Mike, I passed the same question to you

1201
01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:30.479
<v Speaker 2>with one addendum, which is this, is it possible that

1202
01:10:30.520 --> 01:10:34.000
<v Speaker 2>our double edged sword, though here might cut in the

1203
01:10:34.039 --> 01:10:37.479
<v Speaker 2>direction of people not even knowing the gravity of what

1204
01:10:37.520 --> 01:10:40.920
<v Speaker 2>it is. They could release maybe somebody just for political reasons.

1205
01:10:41.520 --> 01:10:44.840
<v Speaker 2>We'll try to comply a bit more, but only with

1206
01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:47.880
<v Speaker 2>public pressure. I mean, what are your thoughts on compliance

1207
01:10:47.960 --> 01:10:49.920
<v Speaker 2>so far and what we could see in the future.

1208
01:10:50.079 --> 01:10:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Might just in general your opinion.

1209
01:10:55.640 --> 01:10:57.279
<v Speaker 4>I've kind of lost my train of thought.

1210
01:10:58.319 --> 01:11:01.159
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry. I do that to people. My my bad.

1211
01:11:03.199 --> 01:11:05.359
<v Speaker 1>He does that. Mikey does that to me all the time.

1212
01:11:05.479 --> 01:11:05.800
<v Speaker 3>I do.

1213
01:11:05.960 --> 01:11:08.960
<v Speaker 2>And Larry is such a great thinker, and I derail

1214
01:11:09.079 --> 01:11:10.800
<v Speaker 2>his trane of thought constantly.

1215
01:11:10.840 --> 01:11:12.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, Mike, my apologies.

1216
01:11:12.319 --> 01:11:12.560
<v Speaker 4>No.

1217
01:11:13.840 --> 01:11:19.520
<v Speaker 5>I I wonder if there is a political agenda at

1218
01:11:19.520 --> 01:11:26.279
<v Speaker 5>work in this. Trump asked for the you know, I

1219
01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:31.119
<v Speaker 5>buy out of every single CIA officer a couple of

1220
01:11:31.239 --> 01:11:34.239
<v Speaker 5>weeks ago or when he got in office, and I've

1221
01:11:34.239 --> 01:11:40.119
<v Speaker 5>read stories that he's trying to redirect then the targets

1222
01:11:40.119 --> 01:11:43.920
<v Speaker 5>of the CIA into the Western hemisphere and drug dealing

1223
01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:48.680
<v Speaker 5>and stuff, the you know. And I look at the

1224
01:11:48.760 --> 01:11:52.920
<v Speaker 5>National Security state since nine to eleven, and it's grown

1225
01:11:53.039 --> 01:11:56.680
<v Speaker 5>and grown and grown, right, And it looks to me

1226
01:11:57.199 --> 01:12:00.000
<v Speaker 5>like the D and I position that Tulca Gabbert had

1227
01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:03.840
<v Speaker 5>as that was created after nine to eleven, and it's

1228
01:12:03.920 --> 01:12:06.800
<v Speaker 5>doing what Alan Dalles used to do in the sense

1229
01:12:06.880 --> 01:12:11.000
<v Speaker 5>that the original job of the CIA director was supposed

1230
01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:17.119
<v Speaker 5>to be the top intelligence analyst person for the president,

1231
01:12:17.479 --> 01:12:21.279
<v Speaker 5>and now that's her job. So I'm not really sure

1232
01:12:21.800 --> 01:12:27.680
<v Speaker 5>what the CIA does anymore, right, And I wonder if

1233
01:12:28.720 --> 01:12:32.520
<v Speaker 5>what is going on or maybe part of what's going

1234
01:12:32.560 --> 01:12:39.600
<v Speaker 5>on is that the issue of the Kenny assassination and

1235
01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:47.880
<v Speaker 5>the bad look it gives to the CIA, it could

1236
01:12:47.880 --> 01:12:52.239
<v Speaker 5>be used for political reasons, you know, diminish the agency

1237
01:12:52.439 --> 01:12:55.279
<v Speaker 5>or perform it or get rid of it, or make

1238
01:12:55.399 --> 01:12:56.399
<v Speaker 5>some sort of changes.

1239
01:12:56.720 --> 01:12:59.720
<v Speaker 2>See that's exactly my final thought. And then yeah, I

1240
01:12:59.760 --> 01:13:02.039
<v Speaker 2>will played the close out music because this is this

1241
01:13:02.159 --> 01:13:03.840
<v Speaker 2>and we've been an hour and ten at it now,

1242
01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:04.840
<v Speaker 2>and that's quite a nuther.

1243
01:13:05.079 --> 01:13:08.600
<v Speaker 5>It may not be a bad thing, you know, it's not. Yeahah, yeah,

1244
01:13:08.640 --> 01:13:15.239
<v Speaker 5>absolutely not necessarily the historical the objective historian of let's

1245
01:13:15.319 --> 01:13:18.359
<v Speaker 5>get the exact, you know, closest to the truth we can.

1246
01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:22.880
<v Speaker 5>Well here's what isn't necessarily the same, but it can help.

1247
01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:25.159
<v Speaker 2>But but here's the thing for those of us that

1248
01:13:25.239 --> 01:13:27.479
<v Speaker 2>figure that, you know what, the CIA has had a

1249
01:13:27.479 --> 01:13:30.279
<v Speaker 2>long history of being dirty one way or another, whether

1250
01:13:30.319 --> 01:13:32.359
<v Speaker 2>you want to talk MK Ultra or you want to

1251
01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:37.600
<v Speaker 2>talk you know, the possible involvement with different Narco states,

1252
01:13:37.640 --> 01:13:40.359
<v Speaker 2>et cetera, regime change that we should have had no

1253
01:13:40.479 --> 01:13:45.279
<v Speaker 2>involvement in, et cetera. Look if if somebody wanted to

1254
01:13:45.279 --> 01:13:47.199
<v Speaker 2>get in Trump's here and tell them, look, you want

1255
01:13:47.199 --> 01:13:51.159
<v Speaker 2>to make a real legacy here for yourself, sir, how

1256
01:13:51.199 --> 01:13:54.199
<v Speaker 2>about you follow through on JFK threat and you make

1257
01:13:54.279 --> 01:13:58.000
<v Speaker 2>it very, very public knowledge. I'm going to smash the

1258
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<v Speaker 2>CIA into a thousand pieces and add to it to

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<v Speaker 2>the win, because Trump is gonna do what JFK couldn't do.

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<v Speaker 2>If somebody got that in his ear, we might see

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<v Speaker 2>a hell of en upheaval in the national security state.

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<v Speaker 2>But then again, you got fifteen agencies or so nowadays

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<v Speaker 2>as opposed to the handful that used to exist.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how that would turn out, but it

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<v Speaker 2>would be a hell of an interesting show. And if

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<v Speaker 2>he makes progress on it, what can I do but

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<v Speaker 2>cheer him on personally myself.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's just me again.

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<v Speaker 2>Larry Hancock was with me, Mike Swanson was with me,

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<v Speaker 2>both of them authors in their own right. Go to

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<v Speaker 2>Wallstreet Window dot com, sign up for the newsletter, and

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<v Speaker 2>just keep track of Larry's work his blog, as well

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<v Speaker 2>as his various appearances in different places larrydsh Hancock dot com,

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<v Speaker 2>and I recommend every single book that Larry has put out,

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<v Speaker 2>but most relevant and most recent would be the Oswald

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<v Speaker 2>puzzle having to do with tonight's discussion Anyway. Links for

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<v Speaker 2>all that will be in the show notes. And no

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<v Speaker 2>matter who you are, where you are, when you are,

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<v Speaker 2>remember I am merely O'Kelly, all of you.

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<v Speaker 6>In Denial Secret Wars with air strikes and Tanks by

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<v Speaker 6>Larry Hancock. Secret wars became a staple of US covert

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<v Speaker 6>operations and are still happening today. Larry Hancock's book In

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<v Speaker 6>Denial rips the cover off many of them, using new files.

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<v Speaker 7>It exposes things about the Bay of Pigs that no

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<v Speaker 7>one has ever written about before. It shows why it

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<v Speaker 7>really failed and why the United States did not earn

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<v Speaker 7>from it. It also shows why other countries today are

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<v Speaker 7>doing secret operations with more success. This is the book

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<v Speaker 7>that puts what some want to deny into the light.

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<v Speaker 7>In Denial, Secret Wars with air Strikes and Tanks Larry Hancock.

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<v Speaker 7>For more information, go to Larry hyphen Handcock dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>Pick up your copy of.

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<v Speaker 7>In Denial at Amazon dot com in digital or physical form.

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<v Speaker 8>The War State by Michael Swanson explains the great national

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<v Speaker 8>transformation that took place and put the Kennedy presidency in

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<v Speaker 8>the context of the Times and reveals never before published

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<v Speaker 8>information about the Cuban missile crisis. President Kennedy would not

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<v Speaker 8>have been assassinated if he had been president two hundred

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<v Speaker 8>years ago. His assassination took place in the context of

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<v Speaker 8>the Cold War and the rise of the national security state.

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<v Speaker 8>Before World War II, the United States was a continental republic.

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<v Speaker 8>In the decade that followed, it became an imperial superpower.

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<v Speaker 8>Generals such as Curtis LeMay not only wanted to invade Cuba,

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<v Speaker 8>but knew that there were short range missiles on the

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<v Speaker 8>island arn't with nuclear warheads that they could not destroy

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<v Speaker 8>because they were on mobile launchers. Their invasion could have

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<v Speaker 8>led to a Third World War, and they wanted to

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<v Speaker 8>go to war anyway. The War State by Michael Swanson

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<v Speaker 8>reveals why, and we'll show you what President Kennedy was

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<v Speaker 8>up against.

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<v Speaker 3>For more information The War State.

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<v Speaker 9>Dot Com dot Com Radio, Chili dot Com.

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<v Speaker 7>The views expressed by caller stools there anyone else who

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<v Speaker 7>happens to get on the air of Jelly dot com,

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<v Speaker 7>You not necessarily reflect the views of Jelly dot com

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<v Speaker 7>or Joe o'chilli and we are not responsible.

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<v Speaker 3>We're getting stupidity which might ensue.

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<v Speaker 7>Thank you, yo yo. This Doug Campbell, host of the

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<v Speaker 7>Dallas Action podcast presented by Wall Street Window, and you

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<v Speaker 7>are listening to the o'chill effect revelation through conversation