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Speaker 1: on the Ball with Steve Rivera on Fox Sports fourteen fifty.
Speaker 2: Well, welcome back to Ian the Ball here on Fox
Speaker 2: Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. You're Jagin's allies that
Speaker 2: we have Kobe with breaking.
Speaker 3: News, breaking news from the sports world. San Antonio Spurs
Speaker 3: all star Victor women Yama is expected to miss the
Speaker 3: remainder of the season with a blood claw in his
Speaker 3: right shoulder, but the Spurs were able to defeat the
Speaker 3: Suns by score one.
Speaker 4: I saw I don't know, you never know what's what's
Speaker 4: true on on Twitter and stuff that somebody posted that
Speaker 4: they put ten thousand dollars on Wemby to win Defensive
Speaker 4: Player of the Year and then less than a day
Speaker 4: later he's out for the year.
Speaker 2: Did you it must have been the kod of Jacobs Dollins.
Speaker 2: There's another one.
Speaker 4: You guys out ten grand because you don't get you
Speaker 4: don't get your.
Speaker 2: Money back for that. So there is another.
Speaker 4: At least when I do it, it's it's over five bucks.
Speaker 2: You're and you're thinking, it's like ten thousand dollars. Gosh,
Speaker 2: because I get I get a texture of you this week?
Speaker 2: Was it this week? Oh you hit a two you
Speaker 2: missed a two foot button? Just a bunch of them.
Speaker 4: I had Kansas, I had Kansas against uh who did
Speaker 4: they play on Saturday?
Speaker 2: Was it b Yu? No, it wasn't me against BYU. Who
Speaker 2: did they play? Maybe it was? Maybe it wasn't, but yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's so funny. Bill, get it, Bill, Bill. This is
Speaker 2: not a you problem. It's a problem.
Speaker 3: Connor McDavid scores o t winner for Canada to secure
Speaker 3: four Nations title.
Speaker 4: You guys, I guess everybody. I didn't watch all everybody
Speaker 4: watched a stage. There were millions of people watching it.
Speaker 4: I was out, I was out of dinner with my wife.
Speaker 4: But I got home, raced into the house because they
Speaker 4: were going into the in the overtime, and I turned
Speaker 4: it on. I was glued to the teacher.
Speaker 2: Do you know what the hell is going on? I
Speaker 2: do know. I know enough, I know enough hockey to
Speaker 2: know what's going on. But I knew what how big
Speaker 2: a deal this was. I did what. I watched the
Speaker 2: last USA Canada game and this that's that's I remember.
Speaker 4: I saw that one as well, so I was excited
Speaker 4: to see it, and you know, I got home and
Speaker 4: I were right there. And here's the Here's what I
Speaker 4: love about this is that this is a this is
Speaker 4: a mid season event. You know, they take take time
Speaker 4: off from the regular season to play. And unlike our
Speaker 4: friends at the NBA who don't give one crap about
Speaker 4: about the All Star Game, these guys played these games
Speaker 4: like they were life and death.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if they can never fix the NBA.
Speaker 2: I just don't. They can't.
Speaker 4: They can't because those guys are are are They're they're
Speaker 4: spoiled brats. They make too much money and they're not
Speaker 4: going to risk themselves to get to give everything they
Speaker 4: have for a game.
Speaker 2: The way these hockey players do.
Speaker 4: But these hockey players, they make a lot of money,
Speaker 4: they don't even do that in the regular season. And
Speaker 4: the sport they play is way more likely to bring
Speaker 4: you an injury than running up and down the court
Speaker 4: in the NBA.
Speaker 2: What was you over under in the fights? Did you
Speaker 2: watch it all?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I watched it a few. I don't think there was
Speaker 3: one fight, but there was chippiness. Okay, the first game,
Speaker 3: there was a lot of what you three fights in
Speaker 3: nine seconds?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy, but it was. It's fun to watch.
Speaker 4: You just love when you see guys competing like that,
Speaker 4: and especially competing when in the grand scheme of things,
Speaker 4: it's not really their job, right.
Speaker 3: Number thirteen Arizona softball sweeps opening day at Helle Brown Invitational.
Speaker 3: The Wildcats picked up wins against number eighteen Stanford and
Speaker 3: UC Davis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're playing well, they're doing That's what they need
Speaker 2: to be doing right before the conference. Just keep just
Speaker 2: keep winning games and keep playing well.
Speaker 3: Arizona men's tennis to host San Diego in top fifteen matchup.
Speaker 2: There was San Diego thirteen or something.
Speaker 3: I believe they are thirteen.
Speaker 2: No, Arizona thirteen, San Diego seven. Oh yes they fell.
Speaker 4: This is tennis, right, yeah, yeah, Ben Tennis, right, yeah yeah,
Speaker 4: Arizona thirteen, San Diego seven. Last I saw they were
Speaker 4: up three zet Arizona. Yes, oh, well because they won.
Speaker 4: They won the doubles and then they won the first
Speaker 4: two first two singles match.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I had the graphic I saw on Twitter s
Speaker 2: Arizona thirt. What did I tell you last year when
Speaker 2: we had the coach shieldfields, right, best coach be the
Speaker 2: best coach on campus.
Speaker 3: The Jacksonville. Jacksonville Jaguars have hired former Los Angeles Rams
Speaker 3: personal executive James Gladstone as the team's new general manager.
Speaker 3: The team announced Friday.
Speaker 4: I you know, these guys had They've got big decisions
Speaker 4: to make always, so we'll see how that goes for
Speaker 4: the Jags.
Speaker 3: Dodgers Bobby Miller has no fracture after being struck with
Speaker 3: a one hundred and five.
Speaker 4: I did, I did. He took a and the line
Speaker 4: drive right on the head, right on the forehead. The
Speaker 4: thing is, you know, he he went down immediately, got
Speaker 4: up on one knee. You know, he was holding his head,
Speaker 4: but he walked off and the whole bit. It wasn't
Speaker 4: a glancing blow. You know, it was a direct hit.
Speaker 4: And the first spring, first spring training game, he gets nailed.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it made me think, Okay, when a when a
Speaker 4: picture's gonna start wearing bagging.
Speaker 2: Helmets on the mound, like yeah.
Speaker 3: New York Yankees getting rid of decades old facial hair policy.
Speaker 4: I can make the tea, they said, nicely groomed, though,
Speaker 4: you got to put some edges on that thing. You
Speaker 4: can't just have a couple of hairs here, A couple
Speaker 4: of hairs there, right, what.
Speaker 2: Are you talking about? That's like yours a little patch?
Speaker 2: I actually shaved it. I do it once a week.
Speaker 3: NFL invests getting still investigating allegations versus Justin Tucker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, another guy man.
Speaker 4: Plus he's been he's been my he's been my fantasy
Speaker 4: kicker for like five years. I'm gonna have to kick
Speaker 4: him off my team. Yeah for unbecoming I'm becoming. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm becoming up a Gonzales Worthy.
Speaker 3: That's it for today's breaking news.
Speaker 2: Okay, I want I want to, I want to. I
Speaker 2: gotta throw a shout out here.
Speaker 4: My my niece sole Ponce her her mom Stephanie, is
Speaker 4: the principal at at Sunnyside Wrestling in the Sunnyside Right
Speaker 4: Wrestling for Sundayside at the state championships up in Phoenix.
Speaker 4: She's won her first two matches. She's twenty six and
Speaker 4: oh and she's going up in the semi finals against
Speaker 4: a wrestler who's thirty nine and one, so that should
Speaker 4: be a hell of a fight. But she's trying to
Speaker 4: win a state championship. It's her senior year. She's in
Speaker 4: one hundred and thirty eight pounds, class and trying to
Speaker 4: get after it. She's undefeated, so let's see what happens.
Speaker 4: But you know, Sunnyside is usual, uh you know, dominating
Speaker 4: up there, at least on the boy's side.
Speaker 2: But I want to gives so let a shout outs
Speaker 2: of good luck to her. Yeah. I think Sunnyside Soccer,
Speaker 2: the great soccer team that they had this year, one
Speaker 2: of the best in the country. Lost a couple of
Speaker 2: days ago.
Speaker 4: To depend It was a controversial, uh controversial thing reading
Speaker 4: and reading Javia Morale's report on that.
Speaker 2: Right right, the lost two to one in overtime and
Speaker 2: the goal that was scored was yeah, questionable that. I
Speaker 2: think the women, the women, the girls at sell Point
Speaker 2: are still alive in the open, so there's a still
Speaker 2: a lot of success.
Speaker 4: Well, and then the sell Point boys dropped to the
Speaker 4: right where they'll probably win it again for the thirty
Speaker 4: thousand times. Yeah, God, what else? What else was I
Speaker 4: was I going to throw out there? I've lost it.
Speaker 4: I can't remember, Steve, you know how that goes?
Speaker 2: Call that Tuesday Friday today.
Speaker 4: It's something I was going to make a point of
Speaker 4: bringing up. But uh, I'm just reading down here. I
Speaker 4: see that the Michigan's signed their basketball coach to a
Speaker 4: new contract.
Speaker 2: So he's not going to go to Dusk. He may
Speaker 2: won't be going to Indiana.
Speaker 4: You see, patin Oaks came out and said that they
Speaker 4: should go get Chris Beard. And then and then there
Speaker 4: was some speculation that that Doug mc cronan would be
Speaker 4: a candidate. If they put up with Bobby Knight, they
Speaker 4: could put up with mc cronan. Chris Beard would his
Speaker 4: stuff on from the from the game the other day
Speaker 4: where not only did he rip his players, he ripped
Speaker 4: the fans.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because because they're just Chris, they're having a bad,
Speaker 4: a bad, a bad impact on his team.
Speaker 2: Chris Beard would be fantastic and Indiana. He's a heck
Speaker 2: of a good coach and he went what he went
Speaker 2: through in Texas Tech. Yeah, but did you see And
Speaker 2: we talked about this. I had Pat Nuchan on yesterday
Speaker 2: and we talked about this, and I think you can
Speaker 2: agree to this because we haven't really told you and
Speaker 2: I haven't talked about it. But uh, coaches not going
Speaker 2: out high school kids anymore, right, because why are you
Speaker 2: gonna trust an eighteen nineteen year old coming in when
Speaker 2: you can get a transfer. It's already been there, done, ripped.
Speaker 4: Patino flat said, we're not recruiting high school players anymore.
Speaker 4: And then it came out that that Dion Sanders didn't
Speaker 4: take one recruiting trip and didn't make any m home business.
Speaker 2: Well that's that's his h This is why should I
Speaker 2: go there? They want to come to my home?
Speaker 4: Somebody was somebody reported that he had a two hundred
Speaker 4: thousand dollars travel budget for recruiting and he spent zero.
Speaker 2: So where does that go? I don't know. I know
Speaker 2: they'll put it on red or something. It goes to
Speaker 2: my contract. If I don't spend any money on this,
Speaker 2: do I get to keep it? Just to close the
Speaker 2: loop on this.
Speaker 4: Uh, Arizona Tennis did sweep San Diego actually their number fourteen,
Speaker 4: uh beating them four zepp It was almost fourteen, yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: and San Diego was seven and beat them for nothing.
Speaker 2: They have to they didn't have to finish the other
Speaker 2: three matches. Arizona was number ten before. Wonder how they
Speaker 2: feel whatever? Okay, oh anything else?
Speaker 3: We're good, Yeah, we're good.
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Speaker 2: we say, Oh Cleio? Oh clear, So let's let's take
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Speaker 2: Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, You're Jay Gonzalez. You
Speaker 2: got Kobe here looking at the phones just in case
Speaker 2: mister Cleo Robinson calls us. Never tell you where I
Speaker 2: met Cleo? When or where?
Speaker 4: And when A long time ago nineteen seventy, No, nineteen eighty.
Speaker 4: I got a summer job working at the Juvenile Court
Speaker 4: center and he was a PR preparation officer.
Speaker 2: Then hold out, he's on the phone after Cleo is issue.
Speaker 5: Yes, it is Cleo.
Speaker 2: Hi, this is Steve and j we've had you on
Speaker 2: the show before. We're doing fine. Thank you. I think
Speaker 2: the last time we had you on was Jean was
Speaker 2: doing so well at Texas, Texas still at Texas. Congratulations
Speaker 2: on your great accomplishment. Did you you just hear Jay
Speaker 2: talking about when he first met you? Go ahead, do
Speaker 2: you remember where we met? Cleo?
Speaker 5: No, I didn't hear you, and I no, I don't.
Speaker 5: I can't recall.
Speaker 4: You were a young probation officer at the juvenile court
Speaker 4: and I was. I got hired for the summer to
Speaker 4: work in the in the office that did the calendar.
Speaker 4: So you guys used to we were right by the
Speaker 4: court courtrooms. These guys used to come and hang around
Speaker 4: in our office, and that's where I met you.
Speaker 2: How long were you all right? How long were your probation?
Speaker 5: How long were you were you with the summer just
Speaker 5: for the summer.
Speaker 2: I just worked for I was. I was filling in
Speaker 2: for a lady who was on maternity leave, So just
Speaker 2: for the summer, Cleo. I thought he was going to say,
Speaker 2: I met you when I was in the I had
Speaker 2: to go on.
Speaker 4: I was thinking down there, Lote, So you I think
Speaker 4: I had a job there, Cleo.
Speaker 2: I wasn't. I wasn't you know, a probation er. How
Speaker 2: long were you a probation officer?
Speaker 5: Six years?
Speaker 4: Twenty six years, all at the juvenile court or elsewhere?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, all that juvenile court. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So so now we're calling you to see congratulations on
Speaker 2: what a great career you had as a referee. He
Speaker 2: an official? What made you decide to do it? How
Speaker 2: many times? How many years did you do it?
Speaker 5: I did it for forty seven years. I had a
Speaker 5: friend of mine named Lorenzo Cotton, and the meeting place
Speaker 5: for officials they met every Monday night. He would come
Speaker 5: by my apartment and you know, hang out there until
Speaker 5: he went to the meeting. And he asked me to
Speaker 5: try this five fishing. A number of times I said no, no, no, no.
Speaker 5: And then one day we was discussing rules and he said, well,
Speaker 5: come to the meeting you can learn the rules. So
Speaker 5: I went and I and I learned some things and
Speaker 5: I thought wow, because I was playing basketball a lot
Speaker 5: during that time. And I said, wow, I'm gonna give
Speaker 5: this a try. And right across the street there was
Speaker 5: a Salvation Army. This is that Empire Middle School where
Speaker 5: they met, and I once went over there and I
Speaker 5: asked the guy, do you need an official? He said yes.
Speaker 5: I said, well, I'm gonna give this a try. So
Speaker 5: when you meet and win on in the game. And
Speaker 5: he told me and he said, I even pay you
Speaker 5: three bucks a game. I said, whoa. So that's how
Speaker 5: I got started.
Speaker 4: That was a good one, exactly exactly. So well, you know,
Speaker 4: we know you went. You made it all the way
Speaker 4: up to being a PAC twelve ref. Uh you know
Speaker 4: major college football.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you.
Speaker 4: Did other leagues or not, but we know you were
Speaker 4: you know the Division one level. Did you have a
Speaker 4: favorite sport you liked to ref? And how many different
Speaker 4: sports did you?
Speaker 5: RERAF only ref two basketball? And I did do the
Speaker 5: big sky in basketball Division one. There I was the
Speaker 5: only official and two son ever worked too well? Two
Speaker 5: sports Division one sports? Wow, the other sports like baseball,
Speaker 5: it's twell, my what I told everyone if it doesn't
Speaker 5: have a clock, I'm not gonna work, you know, like baseball, tollball,
Speaker 5: going to football, and I started in basketball, but then
Speaker 5: next year I started doing football, and fortunately for me,
Speaker 5: I advanced in football a lot faster.
Speaker 2: When we have officials like you, guys, I asked as
Speaker 2: the question all the time when you're watching the game,
Speaker 2: you watch the game obviously to do your job, but
Speaker 2: are there there a time or two when you kind
Speaker 2: of like said to about a player or something. Wow,
Speaker 2: this dude's good.
Speaker 5: Oh yes, yes, I tell you the story all the
Speaker 5: time doing Reggie Bush.
Speaker 2: Wow, I tell the.
Speaker 5: People that a lot of times. You know, my job
Speaker 5: as a wingman there is to watch the block in
Speaker 5: front of the runner until he comes he get close
Speaker 5: to people.
Speaker 2: But it was.
Speaker 5: Difficult for me to do that with Reggie Bush because
Speaker 5: at any time he can make a fantastic move and
Speaker 5: I wanted to see it when he made that move.
Speaker 5: It was very difficult.
Speaker 4: Well, I think of all of all the players you saw,
Speaker 4: and that I mean a lot of us think the
Speaker 4: same thing, right, one of the greatest players we ever
Speaker 4: saw play, a guy like Reggie Bush.
Speaker 2: Who's who are there? Who are some others? That stick
Speaker 2: out for you.
Speaker 5: You know it's there. There's been so many, you know,
Speaker 5: like the running back I can't think of his name
Speaker 5: of the short guy had two names. He was tremendous.
Speaker 4: Uh uh uh uh Maurice Jones Drew.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, the guy he was Yeah, you know, you
Speaker 5: know I'm bad with name. That's why I'm kind of hesitating.
Speaker 5: But great running back at that Stanford.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: I can go through a lot, you know, like the
Speaker 5: quarterback that was that organ you know and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: There's a and the uh ul a quarterback, right, you
Speaker 5: know all these guys you know, you you you see him,
Speaker 5: but you don't get emotional attached to these guys, you
Speaker 5: know any kind of ways. Like guys really amendous. You know,
Speaker 5: you just have to call your call it game the way.
Speaker 3: You see it.
Speaker 2: And the funny thing about us, you related to one
Speaker 2: of the better ones, one of the best ones that
Speaker 2: come out of there.
Speaker 4: Let me ask you that you see you see bijon play,
Speaker 4: does he remind you of anybody that you saw, you know
Speaker 4: during your refereeing career.
Speaker 5: You know he really Reggie Bush a lot, he watched
Speaker 5: him an awful lot. Uh. Reggie was just a little
Speaker 5: bit more. Well, it's something that I told him that
Speaker 5: I noticed about Reggie Bush. Reggie didn't do it dipping
Speaker 5: and dabbing. He just cut and go. That's what John
Speaker 5: does a lot. Now. He just if I got some
Speaker 5: things to go, I might give you something, but I'm
Speaker 5: gonna plant and go and get get away from you
Speaker 5: as quickly as I can. And he's very good at that.
Speaker 5: I would say, Reggie Bush, you know, uh, there's some similarity.
Speaker 5: I think Reggie is a little fashion than him. But
Speaker 5: other than that, you know, they they there's something similarity there.
Speaker 2: You probably couldn't be more proud of beyond than anybody
Speaker 2: in the country. I mean, come on, of what he's done.
Speaker 5: That is very very true. I guess there's an instagram
Speaker 5: that came out today that some organization I think was
Speaker 5: Pro Football Focus something like that ranked him as the
Speaker 5: number two running back in the in the in the league,
Speaker 5: and that which was holly above sa One Barkley. So
Speaker 5: I thought, boy, this is something to minutes. He was
Speaker 5: second behind Derrick Henry and and and so uh and
Speaker 5: Jaric Henry is a specimen in himself, you know, but
Speaker 5: you know, he's very proud of him, you know, as
Speaker 5: you know, John lived with us. When his mother got
Speaker 5: married again, he decided he want to stay here. And
Speaker 5: I guess he married a gentleman, the great guy that
Speaker 5: had two kids and she had one and so but
Speaker 5: John thought, Hey, I seen him with my grandparents. I
Speaker 5: have my own room and everything. And I think that
Speaker 5: was good for him because I was able to afford
Speaker 5: to take him to the camps and stuff like that
Speaker 5: and get him into South Point and things like that,
Speaker 5: which which turned out to be the best thing for it.
Speaker 5: And also we worked out a lot. We were doing
Speaker 5: the ball a lot, doing a lot of things together.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, we know that he's you know, obviously
Speaker 4: comes from a special family you know of yours as
Speaker 4: as you know, sort of sort of a mentor for him.
Speaker 4: What what's been some of the advice that you've given
Speaker 4: him to make sure that one, you know, he takes
Speaker 4: care of himself and two that to understand, you know,
Speaker 4: what it takes to be successful at the level that
Speaker 4: he's at.
Speaker 2: What were you able to provide him as far as
Speaker 2: that goes?
Speaker 14: Uh?
Speaker 5: You know, one thing is focus, you know, just what
Speaker 5: you want to be focused on that, you know, and
Speaker 5: he did you know. You know, there's a number of
Speaker 5: times I felt, you know, but John, why don't you
Speaker 5: run track or why don't you play basketball? And he's
Speaker 5: atlantic to do that, and he he all his attention
Speaker 5: went toward him playing playing football because of the love
Speaker 5: of it. Attitude, have the right attitude, you know, Uh,
Speaker 5: don't be flashy or both you brag a by yourself
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. I told him that, you know,
Speaker 5: if you want a bag, you talk to me, and
Speaker 5: we do talk and he does things like that. But
Speaker 5: when you cross that line, you be another person, you know,
Speaker 5: concentration and the commission yourself and and and work as
Speaker 5: hard as you can. Uh, that's all down the line
Speaker 5: of being a nice guy too. We have that he
Speaker 5: has a strong Christian background, so that that was kind
Speaker 5: of easy to do. You know. One of the things,
Speaker 5: though I know other payers have done it, is as official.
Speaker 5: One time he did something that I said, from now, buddy,
Speaker 5: you give that ball to the nearest official. And he'll
Speaker 5: try and do that. Most of the time. Now in
Speaker 5: the NFL he doesn't do that, but uh, in college,
Speaker 5: he definitely did. In high school, he definitely did it
Speaker 5: all the time.
Speaker 2: You know, let's go back to you real quick. I
Speaker 2: can't remember how old you are. You can tell us
Speaker 2: if you want. But you did this a long time,
Speaker 2: you said, forty some years. You're still not stopping though,
Speaker 2: You're still going to continue on, just at a different level.
Speaker 5: Yes, that's correct. H I just stopped doing the high school. Uh.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of middle school basketball going on, and
Speaker 5: I decided I'll just continue doing that. I you know,
Speaker 5: one of the reasons I officiated is to help me
Speaker 5: stay in shape, you know, run up and down the floor.
Speaker 5: Of these younger guys will teach me in good shape.
Speaker 5: So that's why I decided I'll continue doing the middle
Speaker 5: school basketball. And there's just sometimes some tournament might come
Speaker 5: along I might get invouved in. And by the way,
Speaker 5: it's one of my age. I have no problem with that.
Speaker 5: I'm seventy eight.
Speaker 2: Now, fantastic.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying, holy coltum that I can't believe you
Speaker 4: that all. It's just like you're still running up and
Speaker 4: down the floor because you still have to run up
Speaker 4: and down the floor in middle school basketball, right.
Speaker 5: That is correct. It's correct even more so there because
Speaker 5: that game is really wild, you know, and regularly high
Speaker 5: school games, there's a lot of control in the game.
Speaker 5: In middle school a lot of time, there's a lot
Speaker 5: of little things going on and you want to be there.
Speaker 5: And I'm with middle school. A lot of times when
Speaker 5: I call something or they do something wrong, I tell
Speaker 5: that player what he did wrong. I see that as
Speaker 5: a learning stage for for for the young players.
Speaker 2: So we had we had a ref. I don't know, Jay,
Speaker 2: maybe a year or so ago, maybe a year and
Speaker 2: a half ago, because today's I want you to say
Speaker 2: this or or just your perspective on how difficult it
Speaker 2: is to be a ref because of the people in
Speaker 2: the stands, parents, the parents, and the just kind of like,
Speaker 2: you don't ref, you don't know what the hell and
Speaker 2: it's been going on for a long time. How did
Speaker 2: you deal with that?
Speaker 5: You know, I think it takes a special person to
Speaker 5: do that. You know, I kind of block it out.
Speaker 5: I try and concentrate what's in front of me and
Speaker 5: not what's behind me. Even with coaches, you know, a
Speaker 5: lot of times, though they say something, I'll get over
Speaker 5: closer to them. They don't have their stay and just say, coach,
Speaker 5: I'll take a look at it, or I missed that,
Speaker 5: or something down that line. But I try to block
Speaker 5: out the outside sources. Uh. I don't want to brag,
Speaker 5: but they're the saying if you call a good game,
Speaker 5: you don't have to worry about it.
Speaker 2: Did you of all the time? I'm sure you can
Speaker 2: count the number of people you you teed up or
Speaker 2: throughout in your career.
Speaker 5: Uh, there's some I technical. There's one that's a good
Speaker 5: friend of mine, now Jim Flannery and uh uh sell Point.
Speaker 5: He was kind of stup red. He was at south
Speaker 5: point of me saying Sunnyside. Now, those are the guys
Speaker 5: I did here with the technical and and you know,
Speaker 5: even like one time with Red he called me over,
Speaker 5: you want to talk to me, and I walked over
Speaker 5: to him. I take coach, if you make any count, yes,
Speaker 5: some mean she would have taken and he crossed his
Speaker 5: arm around his body down. Okay, just talk to you
Speaker 5: so you uh so you know you you have to
Speaker 5: learn how to deal with coach is the best way
Speaker 5: you can. You know. I can tell you, guys a
Speaker 5: really funny story you have the time you have, Okay,
Speaker 5: Lorenzo Cotton, he was the one to got me into officiating,
Speaker 5: and we were a roommate and I think my development
Speaker 5: was Be called said will make be. We compare things
Speaker 5: out the game to come home and we talk about
Speaker 5: rules and stuff like that. But a lot of time
Speaker 5: people mistake me for him and he for me. But
Speaker 5: he just shared a game one time and he came
Speaker 5: home and he said, uh, Cleo, let me tell you
Speaker 5: what happened today. He said, he threw out both coaches
Speaker 5: and a number of fans out of the gym. He
Speaker 5: just threw them all out. I said, wow, we had
Speaker 5: a rough game. He said, no, the whole game. They
Speaker 5: was calling me Cleo.
Speaker 2: No, you didn't kill.
Speaker 5: You in trouble.
Speaker 4: But were there ever any coaches that you just couldn't
Speaker 4: deal with or you dreaded working their games or anything.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to ask you to name them, but
Speaker 4: you know, were there some personalities out there that you
Speaker 4: just would rather not have to deal with?
Speaker 5: You know, there are some games and you're right. I
Speaker 5: don't want to say his name, but he was all
Speaker 5: always He just ran his mouth all the time. You know,
Speaker 5: you get to the point, like I said, Black and Milet,
Speaker 5: but you get to the point where it gets it
Speaker 5: just gets on your nerves, right. But you know, I
Speaker 5: and I particular, this one particular game. It was a
Speaker 5: big game. His team was undefeated, the opposing team was undefeated.
Speaker 5: They both teams are in the same neighborhood. I saw,
Speaker 5: it's the big rivery game, and we talked the ball
Speaker 5: and he medi he started talking and the first time out,
Speaker 5: not the time out doing player was free thrown. I
Speaker 5: wasn't stand in front of him, and I said, this
Speaker 5: is a big game, and I do not want to
Speaker 5: hear staying from you if you want to stay in
Speaker 5: this game, coach, and he shut up. Wow, you know,
Speaker 5: so you sometimes you kind of have to take charge
Speaker 5: of the situation. But yeah, but I every time I
Speaker 5: saw him on my schedule, I thought, oh, man, I
Speaker 5: gotta deal with this.
Speaker 2: So clearly. I know you're still going to be doing
Speaker 2: stuff at the lower level, at the junior high level,
Speaker 2: but but you've done this so long. Do you think
Speaker 2: you're gonna.
Speaker 5: Yes, you know, when you do something for forty seven years,
Speaker 5: it becomes a part of your life, you know. Even
Speaker 5: when I came home and my wife is at the game,
Speaker 5: he left and so forth, and I thought, well, I'm
Speaker 5: not gonna do this anymore. And even when I was
Speaker 5: walking off the floor. It hit me there. I'm not
Speaker 5: gonna do this anymore. I'm sure in time I'll be okay,
Speaker 5: but right now, like when I stopped doing the Pac
Speaker 5: twelve football, I missed it for a couple of years,
Speaker 5: but I had other things to do. I could go
Speaker 5: see but John play every game game compared to when
Speaker 5: I was doing Pac ten football. Uh, PAC twelve, I
Speaker 5: could not. I only saw him playing like two or
Speaker 5: three times during the season.
Speaker 4: When you see what college athletics is now, particularly football,
Speaker 4: right with nil and these quarterbacks, you know, college quarterbacks
Speaker 4: now who are making millions of dollars now they're essentially
Speaker 4: professional athletes. Would you have liked to still be doing
Speaker 4: this with guys you know who might maybe think a
Speaker 4: little more of themselves than maybe they used to.
Speaker 2: You think it's changed a bit.
Speaker 4: How do you think you would have handled some of
Speaker 4: that or would it be different?
Speaker 5: You know that would not impact me at all because
Speaker 5: you know that's administrative type stuff and off field type stuff,
Speaker 5: so they wouldn't impact me. But I'll tell you if
Speaker 5: I personally, I don't particularly care for it. My thinking
Speaker 5: is he set amount that the most player can get. Periods.
Speaker 5: You know, maybe fifty thousand dollars now that way, keep
Speaker 5: it on it even until that way, keep there like
Speaker 5: Arizona compete with Protections player for player. You know, there's
Speaker 5: no way Arizona going to get that player, but he
Speaker 5: might be able to get him a pay both compaying
Speaker 5: fifty thousand. Now if he gets there and make a
Speaker 5: name for himself and outside people give him somebody, that's fine.
Speaker 5: But let's keep it even even for all teams to
Speaker 5: be able to get that. And it bothers me, especially multiplayers.
Speaker 5: They they don't know how to hell of.
Speaker 2: Him money exactly, you know.
Speaker 5: Uh, they just get there and they all of a
Speaker 5: sudden they got to buy a big fancy card and
Speaker 5: mess around. I think you lose the eye of the
Speaker 5: tiger a lot of times when when something is given
Speaker 5: to you too early.
Speaker 2: I think we're seeing there by the way, we got
Speaker 2: to call. Uh, we'll take this call. It's Bejon saying
Speaker 2: he wants to argue with you because he doesn't want
Speaker 2: to just make me Lamborghini.
Speaker 5: And I'm a little contradicting myself here, but get them
Speaker 5: And I was thinking, who.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly? Maybe him money. I'll tell them to call later.
Speaker 2: So one last question. Maybe you you you ripped for
Speaker 2: this long. Obviously you must have seen high school personalities
Speaker 2: and young kids personalities. Did they used to give you grief?
Speaker 2: No grief, and now they gave you grief? How was
Speaker 2: the personalities when they were calling when you'd call their games?
Speaker 5: You know, for the most one ninety nine percent of
Speaker 5: the players did not say too much. There was a
Speaker 5: few that might have some comments that, uh, did you
Speaker 5: have trouble dealing with and you try and get to
Speaker 5: the I'm gonna tell the coach and you better get
Speaker 5: this players under control because of all he's gonna do
Speaker 5: is hurt your team. But now players come up and saying, uh,
Speaker 5: telling about a call, and I'd just tell him I
Speaker 5: was right then, and I'll call it the same way
Speaker 5: to tell you if I had to do it right exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, cleo, we appreciate your time, Congratulations from this
Speaker 2: career and keep you you know.
Speaker 5: And thanks for the invite, Jay and Steete. When I
Speaker 5: got to Tech, I didn't know where it was come
Speaker 5: from because I just saw the phone number. But after
Speaker 5: find out who it was from, out, oh yes, I
Speaker 5: definitely do that.
Speaker 4: Thank you, you know, I mean, you know, we you know,
Speaker 4: if you have kids in town who were in Matthew
Speaker 4: who were in sports, you know, I'm sure you called
Speaker 4: a game.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: You know, I saw you over the years when I was,
Speaker 4: you know, taking my kids through high school and stuff.
Speaker 4: So thank you because that's a that's a long time
Speaker 4: to be doing what you did. And really we know
Speaker 4: you didn't do it for the money. You did it
Speaker 4: for the good of the kids. And that's great.
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna say and I'm gonna say I'm sorry
Speaker 2: because I always thought you were mister Carton.
Speaker 5: That's good. Thank you man, that's great, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: Thank god. One of one of the all time great
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Speaker 1: the Ball with Steve Rivera on Fox Sports fourteen fifty.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to all here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty.
Speaker 2: I'm Steve Rivera, your Jay Donzalez, and we have Kobe
Speaker 2: finishing out. We got about twelve minutes, two minutes, yeah
Speaker 2: to finish. Anybody want to call, let us know what
Speaker 2: you're thinkings game? Yep, you know. Do you have a spread? Yeh?
Speaker 2: Look it up real quick. Okay.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's available yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sometimes it's it's again.
Speaker 4: But but on some of the bigger games, you do
Speaker 4: get you do get the next day line.
Speaker 2: Yes, here it is.
Speaker 4: Seven and a half seven wow, seven and a half,
Speaker 4: seven and a half over under.
Speaker 2: What would you do one and a half. Oh, I
Speaker 2: would go over. I would go over seven and a half.
Speaker 2: I don't know what I would do.
Speaker 4: Well, that's that's why it's a good number. It's good, right,
Speaker 4: you don't know which one to do. I think it
Speaker 4: seems like a lot. It does, it does and and
Speaker 4: b way you catches fire.
Speaker 2: Right. They're in trouble, right, don't the wins this going away? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Their minus three twenty five on the money line, just
Speaker 4: to win the.
Speaker 2: Game to Don't tell me what you would you do,
Speaker 2: because that just I don't know. I honestly I don't
Speaker 2: know what I would do. Okay, we just checked the
Speaker 2: phones because just in case five two zero, four, one, six,
Speaker 2: seventy four forty. But you know what, you know it's
Speaker 2: gonna be fun. Did you have time to uh when
Speaker 2: you're not doing your stats? Last game Houston? Looking up
Speaker 2: and seeing this crowd, I was, you know, I was
Speaker 2: a little disappointed in the upper level. Yes, that's where
Speaker 2: exactly was going to go with it. It was still something.
Speaker 2: It wasn't jammed. It wasn't It was great. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was very good. And it was loud, now that's what
Speaker 2: I meant. But it wasn't jammed. It wasn't jammed. There
Speaker 2: was there were some empty seats up there, right, and
Speaker 2: even know where those even the seats right but you
Speaker 2: know to the left of us, just right here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there was that was a little I didn't see that,
Speaker 2: but I did.
Speaker 4: I did look up because I mentioned as we were
Speaker 4: standing up for the national anthem, I said, man, it's
Speaker 4: still awful empty right, well, ten more minutes, I know,
Speaker 4: but still for ten minutes before the game. And again,
Speaker 4: you know in Arizona, Arizona fan has to step up
Speaker 4: a little bit. When you go to Iowa State, when
Speaker 4: you go to I think Texas Tech, you go to Kansas,
Speaker 4: the seats are full fifteen twenty minutes before game time.
Speaker 2: Even more now the Zonas who has been good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but but you know the arena get you know,
Speaker 4: our fan, don't they get there at game time.
Speaker 2: They've done that all they've always done that. You know,
Speaker 2: go to the other arena. You know what it takes.
Speaker 4: What would it take is for you to visit an arena,
Speaker 4: go to a go to a Kansas game, go to
Speaker 4: a Texas Tech, and go to a batter game. And
Speaker 4: those people are in their seats early, making noise, getting
Speaker 4: the getting the getting the environment, you know, going all
Speaker 4: that stuff.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm gonna use that transition. Okay, how can
Speaker 2: I do that? If I if I you want me
Speaker 2: to travel to another school, but I got to pay
Speaker 2: a search charge on every ticket that I would. Oh,
Speaker 2: you know, I'll let you know what. Okay, do you want?
Speaker 2: Do you want to win? So so you're happy with
Speaker 2: you're okay with it. I don't mind it. How many
Speaker 2: people you think are are not much.
Speaker 4: I know there's some that do mind it, you know,
Speaker 4: I know there's people who aren't gonna get taken. I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna pay another fifty bucks to give it to
Speaker 4: that kid over there.
Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing. In your group of ten
Speaker 2: or whatever, I'm sure at least half we're not happy. No,
Speaker 2: that's that's that's wrong. They're all happy. They're all fine
Speaker 2: with it. I'm not gonna say they're happy. They're they're
Speaker 2: hate or disconnected. They want to win and they other stand.
Speaker 2: Do you think that's going to help them win.
Speaker 4: If it helps them get players, Yes, it's going to
Speaker 4: help them win.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: You know the so the fifty dollars surcharge per ticket,
Speaker 4: there's twenty twenty thousand season tickets. That's a million bucks
Speaker 4: that you can go out and get players with to offset.
Speaker 2: The twenty million. That's still not a lot to me.
Speaker 2: No it's not, but it's it's it's a way to
Speaker 2: get everybody to commit to that and to be a
Speaker 2: part of it, so that you're just not going to
Speaker 2: ask Bert Lopez or Jim Click or Edmund Marquez or
Speaker 2: somebody like that and say.
Speaker 4: Here, give us a whole bunch of your money, you know,
Speaker 4: Cole and Jeanie Davis or whatever, those those ones who
Speaker 4: have names on the buildings and things like that. This
Speaker 4: is a this is where you know, somebody says, I'm
Speaker 4: doing my part.
Speaker 2: So do you think that coming years that there'll be
Speaker 2: season tickets will be up or down? I bet you
Speaker 2: they're down anybody. Yeah, but not only.
Speaker 4: Because of the fifty dollars because the you know already
Speaker 4: I'm you know, I already heard you know.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I talked to somebody who's involved in all that and said, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, one of the first calls I got was, well,
Speaker 4: you guys aren't good enough for me to pay another
Speaker 4: fifty bucks a ticket through not And I.
Speaker 2: Get that too. I get that, you know, but you
Speaker 2: got to win. If you win, people don't mind. You
Speaker 2: got a call maybe they'll talk about this. Hello, you're
Speaker 2: on the airline of the ball.
Speaker 3: Hey, it's T money, T money.
Speaker 2: You spending money to money. Uh, I'll pay what I
Speaker 2: have to pay.
Speaker 17: But I was thinking about this, and it might sound
Speaker 17: kind of corny, but maybe there's a good way to
Speaker 17: get the community involvement in that you have something where
Speaker 17: pick or pick your favorite restaurant, whatever, whatever, any any
Speaker 17: of these establishments, any of these local establishments where you
Speaker 17: have a fond name it whatever you want to name it.
Speaker 14: Maybe it's a certain day or certain an opt in,
Speaker 14: but you know, on top of your meal here at
Speaker 14: this place, there's a certain percentage that goes then to
Speaker 14: an il fund for University of Arizona, and that could
Speaker 14: be you know across the city, and you know people
Speaker 14: can opt in, you know, like kind of how they
Speaker 14: do with these different charities. But that was just something
Speaker 14: I've been kicking around, but I've never heard anybody talk
Speaker 14: about it.
Speaker 4: Yea, you know, there's God, They're going to have to
Speaker 4: create some ways, right and maybe that's you know, have
Speaker 4: a u of a night and say, you know, we're
Speaker 4: gonna put a three percent on your on your tab
Speaker 4: and that goes to an I l I could see
Speaker 4: I could see something like that.
Speaker 2: You know, some people don't give a call.
Speaker 18: Yeah, I mean, if it's marketed right, right, I think
Speaker 18: people would would.
Speaker 2: Love to feel like this.
Speaker 18: I mean, you're only going to have so many season
Speaker 18: ticket holders, like just by definition, right, but you do
Speaker 18: have a town of over a million, and and I
Speaker 18: would dare to say they're all they're all Cats.
Speaker 17: Fans, And if somebody could put something.
Speaker 14: Together that's biable, I think people would would literally buy in.
Speaker 2: I think Rady was trying to think about doing that. Hey,
Speaker 2: so was this the reason you called?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 11: That was it pretty much?
Speaker 4: Okay, well it's actually a constructive suggestion, which that's the
Speaker 4: kind of stuff we need.
Speaker 2: Right. That's someone who just.
Speaker 4: Saying I'm not paying another fifty bucks, get that out
Speaker 4: of here, you know.
Speaker 18: Tell you what, I'm actually kind of open to this
Speaker 18: new tax that's coming across. Like I've never said this before,
Speaker 18: but it's kind of like, you know what, our city
Speaker 18: streets and all our infrastructure is.
Speaker 17: So bad that I'm kind of like, Okay, what have
Speaker 17: we got to do now? I don't know, maybe, uh,
Speaker 17: maybe you guys could run for office.
Speaker 4: Politics skeletons in the closet, team running skeletons in the closet,
Speaker 4: you could be my pr.
Speaker 17: I mean maybe you can, maybe you can run for president.
Speaker 4: Then well yeah, that's right, Well those aren't those things
Speaker 4: are out in the open.
Speaker 2: Okay, I got it. Hey, only those hosts can be funny.
Speaker 2: Don't do that again, thanks, man.
Speaker 18: Hey, if the Cats don't win by ten, we suck.
Speaker 5: Come out.
Speaker 4: He's some people like that. They said, b yu. Do
Speaker 4: you guys remember a name Jimmer Fredett.
Speaker 2: That's all you need to know.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of yeah, yeah, no there you know,
Speaker 4: you know again, getting back to that. Look, if you're
Speaker 4: complaining about it and they are, and they are they are,
Speaker 4: well then fine, you know, don't don't go to the games.
Speaker 4: But it's something that you know, I'm surprised it's fifty bucks.
Speaker 4: This is for season ticket holders yet, right a season
Speaker 4: ticket costs fifty dollars.
Speaker 2: So if I if I go just to get a
Speaker 2: regular regular game ticket, that's not gonna right anyway, right.
Speaker 4: Right, I'll tell you what I'm actually more upset about.
Speaker 4: You know, the chair backs that are you know that
Speaker 4: are installed. You know, we get two of those. Those
Speaker 4: went up thirty dollars. Those went up from fifty to
Speaker 4: eighty dollars.
Speaker 2: And those are built into the Yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 4: So that you don't have to carry your own seat.
Speaker 4: And you know, you know, fat guy like me, I
Speaker 4: got to have some back support. So so you know,
Speaker 4: my my wife and I get those and uh, and
Speaker 4: it's great to have.
Speaker 2: Those are the ones that you stick in there.
Speaker 4: No, no, the ones that if you if you ever
Speaker 4: look at the stadium in the off season, you see
Speaker 4: a bunch of blue seats, it's those that they come in,
Speaker 4: they install them, they're there when you get there. You
Speaker 4: don't have to carry anything in. Those went up from
Speaker 4: fifty to eighty dollars. I'll give you one solution. Stop
Speaker 4: being a fat guy.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm sixty five. My back, my back just
Speaker 2: sucks with them with a fat guy or skinny guy.
Speaker 2: But now, but you know, the price of football is
Speaker 2: going up, the price of all ATHLETs is going up
Speaker 2: because they got to pay the play everywhere everyone. If
Speaker 2: you think, if you think I'm not going to do that,
Speaker 2: then you're just not You're not going to get to
Speaker 2: go to games right well, and that's just not a
Speaker 2: football that's in every sporty sport. They got to pay
Speaker 2: these athletes in every sport. Here's an issue that I have.
Speaker 2: I think the kids are are not getting they're getting paid, well,
Speaker 2: not all of them, but they're getting paid. Well. I'm
Speaker 2: sure they're getting paid more than me. I'm sure they're
Speaker 2: getting paid more than you. How are they taking money
Speaker 2: from me when they're getting more money than me? Well,
Speaker 2: because we don't get hit in the mouth. For one,
Speaker 2: you know, I love watching game five days a week.
Speaker 4: You know, we don't have to get up for training, table,
Speaker 4: go to go, go lift, go to school.
Speaker 2: Did you what did you become this apologist?
Speaker 4: I'm understanding. I'm understanding.
Speaker 2: What did you start going to therapy? You know what?
Speaker 4: That's when I left the show. I thought this was
Speaker 4: your therapy. I left the show and all of a
Speaker 4: sudden stuff became real to me. But you know, Steve,
Speaker 4: the price, you know the price of watching sports, And
Speaker 4: you're right. Some people are going to say, well, then
Speaker 4: you want, I'll just stay home and watch And that's
Speaker 4: what that's what that's like.
Speaker 2: It's gonna have to put up with.
Speaker 4: They're gonna have to do things like one, reduce coach
Speaker 4: of salaries, right, yes, right, yes, reduce coach of salaries
Speaker 4: things like that. Fix things so that Stanford and Cal
Speaker 4: don't have to be going out to the East coast
Speaker 4: to play. Yeah right, stay within your region so travel
Speaker 4: costs are less.
Speaker 2: Is that all? That? Is that realistic? Though? I'm talking
Speaker 2: about the salaries of the coaches because that is growing
Speaker 2: up opened.
Speaker 4: That thing is open, and Niki, I was just hearing,
Speaker 4: you know, they're talking today about how I was listening
Speaker 4: to a podcast talking about who's on the hot seat
Speaker 4: in the you know, in the sec you know, football football,
Speaker 4: you know Kaylin de boor Brian Kelly, you know that
Speaker 4: not so so much on the hot seat, but that
Speaker 4: if they don't really But then talking about, well if
Speaker 4: kaylen Borg gets fired after let's say in two years,
Speaker 4: it's a sixty million dollar buyot, Well.
Speaker 2: Why did you give him that?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: Right? And if he said I have to have that,
Speaker 2: then you say we'll go get us another coach. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's just not how it works. Well someone was one
Speaker 2: of those it's going to have work like, pay him
Speaker 2: twenty million dollars to get mediocre here too, exactly. So No,
Speaker 2: it's not a it's not a it's a tough situation
Speaker 2: all the way around. We gotta go, giving me that
Speaker 2: we gotta go side. Thanks Jane for coming in. Hey
Speaker 2: glad to be here again. This is fun. Let's doude
Speaker 2: again next week. Fifty bucks, I can buy tickets extra ticket. Thanks,
Speaker 2: Thanks Kobe, whatever your name is, all right,