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in paranormal talk radio in the UK and around the world.

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Hi everyone, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you

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happen to be in this particular timeline, Welcome to trans

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dimensional Realities, where we delve into the stranger aspects and

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high strangeness that permeates our everyday reality. I'm your host, Melliss,

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and if you like me living in the northeast, I

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hope you were able to dig out from this latest snowstorm.

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We're not used to getting blizzards in New Jersey, but

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this one was certainly one for the books. It dumped

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over twenty inches of snow in my area alone. Spring

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certainly can't come soon enough. I'm looking forward to the

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summer where I can go down the shore, as they

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say here in Jersey. Now, I'm going to read an

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introduction for our guests, because there's a lot of technical

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jargon and I would just screw it up, so bear

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with me here now. Our guest today is Christopher Sanson,

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who is a seasoned life leadership and spiritual teacher and

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coach with over twenty five years of experience. Chris holds

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a PhD in Human Development from Fielding Graduate Institute and

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integrating human development theory, trans personal psychology and post traumatic

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growth into an evidence based holistic practice now. Chris is

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a certified practitioner of past life regression therapy and former

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teacher of the Hoffman Quadrinity Process. Wow I actually pronounced

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that right. He has empowered hundreds of clients through his

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training at the Coactive Training Institute to lead with purpose, integrity,

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and self awareness. Chris is the author of Longing, a

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Pilgrimage to Your Quiet Power Within. So let's welcome Chris

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Sanson to the program. Hi, Chris, Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Melissa. It's a pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 1: So, as I always start off just asking people, I

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read your bio and there are a lot of words

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in there that I almost couldn't pronounce. But if you

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could just give a general explanation to the audience about

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what you do, and I know you focus a lot

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on past life regression, but you've had a lot of

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other experience with teaching and tell me a little bit

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about yourself.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll start there with my experience teaching and coaching,

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because I think it's all been stepping stones to where

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I am today. And what was a big life turning

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event for me is when I went into a PhD

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program with the Field and Graduate Institute on Human Development.

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And so I saw the life span the way that

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we organize as human beings from a wholly different perspective,

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one that was dynamic and interesting and flowing and it's

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ever evolving. So it got me deeper into this curiosity

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around human consciousness, what do we think, believe, what drives

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their behaviors? And then over time, actually around the same time,

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I certified with the Coaches Training Institute now called the

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Coactive Training Institute, and as a coach did years of

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practice coaching leaders and such, and then went to work

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for the Hoffmann Institute as a teacher. And that was

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a really a grand step into working at a very

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transformational level with human beings willing bravely to take a

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look at their lives in an open sense and taking

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that step into the future of who they truly are.

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So that was yeah, and then that led to what

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I'm doing now. I sort of indipitously started writing this book.

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I didn't really plan out to do it, but it

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sort of guided me. The process guided me and I

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became a willing follower. So put it that way. At

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first I wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was looking at the book. And that seems

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to happen a lot to people I talked to. They

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had no intention of writing a book, and all of

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a sudden they wind up writing a book. They feel

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that calling or they're pushed into that area. So you

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work with past life regression, and is there any particular

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aspect of it that you focus on? You just do

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it in general. Is it to help resolve present day trauma?

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Speaker 2: You know, that's a great starting point, is to work

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with the present day trauma. And sometimes it's it's the

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kinds of habitual, repetitive behaviors that we have that are

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less than trauma on the intensity scale, but nonetheless they're

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influential in our lives. And we've done all of the

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good therapy, we've done all of the good you know,

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medicine guided journeys and retreats and such, and we just

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can't get to that one stubborn way of being or

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reacting behaving that's in our way. In so many, so

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many facets for relationships, work, connecting to self, it just

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keeps getting in a way. So past life progression offers

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yet another avenue into a healing journey. And yes, it

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can work, we can work at the trauma level. I've

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had training in trauma response to add to my certificate

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past life regression therapy. So it's it has a wide

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birth of application and uses.

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Speaker 1: Now, past life regression and hypnotic regression in general has

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been used for years. Yes, but how well is it

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accepted in the scientific community, especially dealing with past lives?

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Speaker 2: You know, fairly well. Actually, there's considerable credible, grounded research

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studies into past life experiences and in the structured sense

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of what a good a good pistemological study would show

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and would be published in a scientific journal. So there's

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there's a lot of dreams of information there. And really

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it all got started about forty five or fifty years

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ago with authors like Roger Wolger and Michael Newton who

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really studied. One of the most prolific ones has been

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Ryan Weese's books, and it's really sort of revealed what

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most of us have a sentence of, that there's something

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going on beyond this current life, and we can actually

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access that in a way that's helpful to us. Rather

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than driven by it.

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Speaker 1: There's I know people have been regressed when they've had

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let's say modern day phobias. They're afraid of heights, they're

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afraid of fire, and usually with taking them back to

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a past life, they find out that maybe they fell

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off a building and died, or they were burned at

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the stake in England or something. And so those traumas

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seem to bleed over, even though if you look at

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the idea of reincarnation, you know we're technically supposed to

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have all of our minds wiped when we come here

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so that we're not influenced by the past and we

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can learn and grow. And yet these things still seem

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to bleed over.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's so true. And as you said, bleed over

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that I believe that there's an intention that they're at

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the soul level to actually present those issues in this

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current lifetime so that we can heal, so that we

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can integrate those aspects of ourselves. They're mighty enough in

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our past that we do need to bring peace to

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that aspect of ourselves. And you mentioned hypnosis. It's usually

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the people's first step into past life progression is fear

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of heights or or you know, tumultuous relationships and in

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a certain pattern it keeps repeating over and over again,

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or fear of elevators as small places and such that

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you know, again, done all the psychotherapeutic work and reflection

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and cause and effect and conditioning, but it still keeps

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happening none the less. So past life regression interests. It

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gives a really great entry point into that. And hypnosis

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is an aspect of past life regression. And I describe

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past life aggression as hypnosis with a steering wheel. We're

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going in the direction of what makes most sense to

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our soul, and that's what gets presented to us.

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Speaker 1: Right, Because you could regress somebody and not even just

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tell them generally, and you can correct me on this

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if I got it wrong, but generally you're letting the

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patient who's under regression pick the lifetime, pick the scene

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on what's most important for them at that moment, and

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that's usually where that trauma comes from.

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Speaker 2: I like your insight because what I think a misnomer

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that still sort of hangs around past life regression and

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hypnosis is that somehow hypnosis or the past life regression

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or is controlling the person and that couldn't be farther

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from the truth. When a person enters in the hypnotic state,

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the ego self, this part that you and I are

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using to have this conversation is still online. It's just

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taking a break, and it's in the background in support

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of the experience that we're having a much deeper psychic

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level into the subconscious and having connection with the paranormal

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and the deeper aspects of who we are. But yet

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it's okay, it's relaxed, it's kicking its feet up, and

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it's there if needed. And we don't have a hypnotic

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state or a past life regression state if the ego interferes,

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so it can't, but it chooses not to. And that's

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part of the induction process, is to get all of

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Speaker 1: What about some criticism that comes from places that suggest

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that the regressionist is sometimes planting ideas and a person

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to lead them down in a certain way, or you know,

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kind of asking leading questions and then the person's mind

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is making something up to respond to that question, wanting

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to you know, in that hypnotic state, they want to

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in essence please or please the person asking the question.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's a great question. Normally that's nearly impossible. Now

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not to say, with certain personalities we can't be highly

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influenced and we're and we're pleasing and want to want

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to accommodate the whoever the therapist is. But there's a

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much deeper at choice process going on that precedes the

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need to please or these sort of inherited patterns that

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we get and we play out in life, and that

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comes from the subconscious and so we're getting access to

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that and it also is choosing. So the subconscious doesn't lie.

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I mean, we don't lie in our dreams. We project

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real stuff. It's symbolic, it's metaphorical, but it's real. We're

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not lying in our dreams, and that is what that

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is the aspect of ourself that we're accessing. So it's

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really difficult to trick that part of ourselves or manipulate

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that part of ourselves. Besides, most persons who have a

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sense of self that aren't going to put up with

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that or they're not going to play. The subconscious just

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won't do it. So the ego to subconscious, you know,

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enjoin and say eh, not for me, or the session

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just won't go very.

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Speaker 1: Far Well, tell me about when you first started doing

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hypnotherapy where your interests started to come into past lives.

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Speaker 2: Well, it started immediately with past life regression work because

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I had the experience as a receiver of past life progression.

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Boulder area that worked with me, and she did a

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fabulous job, and I said, how do I do this?

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I want to do this work having had the background

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that I had. It was a perfect fit. But it

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would revealed a number of different things that I had

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recurring about my parents' relationship and that I could see

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in this played out clear dramatic fashion, answers to questions

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and images that were persistent in my own life that

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were beyond the realm of psychotherapy. Because I had a

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good amount of psychotherapy, including twice attending the one week

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intensive of the Hawfman Quadrinity process, which is all about

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investigating childhood and releasing trauma from childhood. So why these

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images were hanging out. I had this image of my

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mother who became my mother. I had this version of

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her that at this point I yet didn't know it

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was my mother, and it was actually coming out in

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psilocybin experiences, and then later in my conscious non affected

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mindset of seeing a woman imprisoned in a single like

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a single jail building, chained strewn across the floor in

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great agony, and she was a beautiful woman by all accounts,

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highly abused by the situation, and I pieced it together

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why And I could envision myself as some six or

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eight year old little boy on a step person, peering

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over and being able to see her through the barred window,

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and feeling tremendous agony myself sorrow that and separation from

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my mother and a complete powerlessness to save her. But

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once the past life regression took me into how who

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is this woman? I that her name was Veronica? Who

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was this woman? Who was Veronica? Who was this boy?

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Why are they connected? And how did she get there?

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And that's how it played out in my scene, and

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my subconscious went right to it in detail, and I understood, oh,

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this is the kind of relationship I had with my mother.

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I felt her savior who was powerless. So once I

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got that in my awareness, my current day awareness, I

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could work from a new way of being in relationship

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to my mother, who by that time it passed, but

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still my internalized version of my mother was much more peaceful.

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Speaker 1: Fascinating. That's really an interesting story. I think a lot

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about something that has been really interesting me lately. I've

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experiences that happen under regression. And a lot of the

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stories I hear about is they talk about planning your

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life before you come into this life. Yes, why are

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you going to be this way? And if all of

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that is planned to have new experiences, I question why

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certain aspects from past lives again would bleed over into

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this life if you're here to have a new experience.

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Speaker 2: That is a fundamental question. And there are two perspectives

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on this that actually blend. One is determinism or fate,

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like I planned and therefore I have these experiences. However,

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that's only part of the story. That's one half of

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the equation. The other half of the equation is I

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have free will choice, and there are a lot of

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variables in the planning and the way it gets played

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out in the lifetime. So, for instance, I may plan

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to have a relationship with a particular person but that

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particular person isn't available right now. So now what do

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I do. Well, I have free will choice, and I

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am still compelled to gain a lesson through relationship. I'd

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hoped to be with this person A, but now person

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A is not available, So I will find person B

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to help me to engage in that relationship so that

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I can learn this lesson. So there are lots of

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fluid points and connections that are affected by the human choice.

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that father was necessary for that child to learn a

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lesson about connection and foundational kind of love and groundedness,

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but the father leaves, well, that just and that was

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made at a very human level, not at a very

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egoic personality level, not from this place of soul and spirit.

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to find a match to learn that lesson somewhere about

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healthy attachment. So it gets played out. Yeah, the determinism,

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it's kind of a strong word. Let's say, fate that

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we pre plan is to learn certain lessons, the backdrop

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or the stage that we're on can change.

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Speaker 1: That is fascinating. It definitely gives food for thought. M

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especially with dealing with however many past lives you have,

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many different lives to go that would affect you now?

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Speaker 2: Yes, and you know, Melissa, these things get repeated, you know,

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just like in this lifetime. Some like we'll look back

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to childhood and we any one of them us have

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had conditioning that was brought down from mom and dad

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or whomever our primary caregivers were first, and it gets

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it gets solidified in schools and our cultures and all

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those other things. Well, we come in with this sort

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of innocence and impressionability like we want, oh my gosh,

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we want to please, we want to belong, we want

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to be like we know we need to survive. We're

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very vulnerable, so we'll do just about anything to get

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that kind of affiliation and that security, the core survivor's security.

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behave from another standard that's outside of us. It's learned behavior.

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It's imposed on us. Yeah, we adopt it, we adapt

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to these things, but it's it's coming from somewhere else.

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And until we get to the root of who we

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truly are, we're going to keep repeating those patterns over

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and over again to point their habitual and we get

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really good at some of them. You know, how to

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shut off, or how to overwork, or how to achieve

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so that we're recognized, whatever it might be, how to

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please others, how to dominate others. And until we learn,

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until we can get to the root of those, they

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cause enough pain and disruption in our lives, we will

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be stuck. So that's the beauty of past life regression

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and recognizes others, these repeating patterns across lifetimes that can

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actually be unstuck. I can be free, but most people

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are kind of afraid of that, you know. They don't

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want to deal with removing this stuff they know, so

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they stay attached to it. But it takes enough pain

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and suffering and finally Summon says, I give, okay, what

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what is it? And then the work.

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Speaker 1: Begins about how many people would you say that you

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have walked through past life aggression? At this point, you know.

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Speaker 2: The numbers are hitting. Like in the twenties thirties, I've

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been working with people at different levels and groups and

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helping people to reflect on what's going on. I'm interested

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from the standpoint of this current learning process I'm engaged in.

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It's called somatic channeling. And there are some forty of

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us in this cohort, and this is an emerging very

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dramatic and dramatic in a sense of outcomes and also

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in appearance of a way of expressing self that's quite ancient,

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but like most human beings, we sort of want to

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reconfigure it and make it something else. But at our essence,

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all of us have this ability to heal and what

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comes out through the spontaneous expression somatic of the body

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and connecting to the body as the true temple the

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soul coming here and giving attention and freedom to This

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is so much about what happened in the past. So

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much is emerging, and I hear stories and testimonials over

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and over again from our cohort about meeting some aspect

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of self that they had no idea of in this

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current life but makes absolute sense and explain so many

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different things about what they're experiencing, an onerous relationship that

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they have. Why am I so drawn to people who

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kick me around? What's that about? And we realized that

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in the past they've had those kind of experiences but

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have never been able to get out of them and

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free their self. So once they realize, oh, this is

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something I've actually chosen and choose it consciously. But I

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chose it, I can choose to not have this, and

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then that's the point of freedom. And the body's telling

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us this constantly.

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Speaker 1: What about the opposite of maybe somebody who is in

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that cycle, but because not because they weren't able to

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resolve it in the past, but maybe they were on

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the other end and causing it in the past. Some people,

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you know, use the word karma. I use that word

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very reluctantly because I don't think karma works like a

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lot of people think. But what are your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 2: Well, I really appreciate that you put that finer point

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on karma, because we kind of think it's like a

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justice system. You know, you do that, I'll do karmo

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get them, you know, or the universal get them and whatever.

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There aren't paybacks in that sense. It's all about choice.

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So sometimes we come in you mentioned pre life planning.

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We come in with the intention of fulfilling different roles

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in service of others and ourselves, so we may know

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that we have uh in the soul at the sole level.

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We have a tendency to be responsible and not being

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able to handle day to day decisions or follow through

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her commitments. So we come into a lifetime where we're

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going to be exposed to a bunch of decisions and

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people around us who might be lax in carrying forward

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their responsibilities. So now we got to take over and

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we got to handle this. I've heard accounts of a

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it was actually pretty dramatic. One in the research, it

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showed that there was a man and a woman. Woman

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was abducted in a bar. She was rootfeed. The man

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takes her into a hotel room and rapes her before

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she leaves, inexplicable to her, so he falls asleep. She

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regains consciousness, she kisses him and leaves, and she couldn't

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understand why she did that, Why did she show him

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this affection and which she probably should have called law

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enforcement on him or done something, you know whatever. Sow

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him up in the she but she gets out and

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she finally threw the past life progression, realized that was

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an aspect of that was a being from a soul

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from her past that she had abused, and it came

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back to regain the power differential between the two of them,

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it was in agreement, and so from there she made peace.

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Speaker 1: No, that's pretty wild. Yeah, Sometimes I wonder with when

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we look into past lives, at least most of the

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ones that I've studied or heard about very relatively within

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the last thousand years or so, and it seems like

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lives that are much older than that, let's say, going

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back five thousand years. I mean, humanity has been on

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this planet for a lot longer than that, but the

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focus of lifetime seems to be more recent and recent trauma,

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say in the last couple of hundred years or a

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few hundred years, rather than going way way way back

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to where were hunter gatherers for society formed. So I'm

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just wondering in your experience, if you've encountered or you know,

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how far back has anyone really gone in your experience.

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Speaker 2: Well, most of the ones that I consider far back

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around a thousand years ago, you know, putting us in

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the eighteen hundreds or so, in late eighteen hundreds. And

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I don't know why, more like the Victorian era. I

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don't know why that is. I could think of three

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or four different examples of people who entered it into

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that point. And I don't think it's because we take

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that long of a span to reincarnate. Typically the shorter

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span is about one hundred years that will come back

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into So it's I don't know why that Maybe is

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just the people I'm working with. I'm not sure, but

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those those times seem to be particularly impactful in these

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current lines, And I'm not sure why.

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Speaker 1: Maybe because well, you could say they're they're fresher, they're closer.

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And yet one of the things I've been studying in

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my own research is the idea of linear time is

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just a concept for us here. There really is no

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linear time. It's all time is happening at once. String

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theory seems to point that way, especially with multiple dimensions.

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So when you're looking at some of these we would

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think of as more recent lifetimes, that time doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the good point, it doesn't matter what happened. What

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matters is beyond this, let's call it a human construct

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of time. What matters is the emotional resonance that it

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has on our current lives, and what current lives being

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the greatest indicator of where we are in our leading

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edge of our soul. So if we're having these experiences

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now today, it means that something from the past is

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continuing to affect our evolution. So we need to work

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with that. We need to open to it, not sort

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of shove it down or over behave over compensate for it,

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but really to invite it into our awareness. Most of

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the time, ninety nine percent of the time, it's because

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there's pain, there's hurt, there's suffering, and that part of

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us needs to be integrated into the current self. And

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no better time than the now. Let's bring it in now,

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skillfully do that so that we don't have to be

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hooked to the past and sort of strung out, you know,

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and these exhausting kind of behaviors. So when we free

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up an aspect of ourselves through a past life of

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direction experience, we're bringing up a lot of other stuff

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that's been constructed around holding that in place too. So

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overall it's like man, just a great breath of fresh

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air and relaxing the shoulders and getting back into the body.

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So I had an example of that with working with

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a client who knew that she was quite brilliant, knew

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that she was quite effective in her business. She was

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an entrepreneur and had done a highly successful development of

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an organization, but she always felt this reluctance to speaker

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truth well, or a hindrance to speaking her truth. She

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made power through. But it was there opening scene, and

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this is after she's quite she's a bit of a

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skeptic opening. She has a spear impaled through her neck

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on the cusp of dying, so last breaths, and she

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has this thought that I died for my beliefs. And

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it took that kind of crucible, that continuing sense of

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you have to die for your beliefs. That well, it

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was brave and courageous and outstanding personal development. I'm sure

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at the time it carries on in life to say

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speaking in your mind is dangerous. Nobody you know, you

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can get put out for this. I'll get taken out.

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So she was able to bring in that ask, but

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we went right to it. You know, she just held

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on to that part of herself that has been suffering

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before being impaled, but suffering that lifetime and at that

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moment of death, and putting that death moment into a

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higher place of self appreciation and adoration and really coming

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to peace with it, rather than Oh my god, that's horrible.

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I wish I'd never that had never happened to me.

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So Psyche had been pushing that away but still bringing

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it their soul, continually bringing that up for healing, and

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that's what she was able to do, and she was astounded.

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Speaker 1: That's so interesting. It makes me think. It makes me

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think of a modern day. I mean, I keep my

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mouth shut on a lot of things, and I keep

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my beliefs to myself except when it deals with the

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paranormal or past lives or anything like that, because there's

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so much and this is not a political show, but

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it's just so much division. You don't know what somebody's

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going to do to you if you speak your mind.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Oh, a lot of people I know, including myself, we

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just keep it to ourselves.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know the offside to that kind of uh oh, injustice.

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I think that so many of us are experiencing. Guys.

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I think this is worthwhile speaking of this because globally,

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at a conscious level, humanity's undergoing a radical evolution, and

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we could study scientific from a scientific perspective, what change

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looks like. In fact, I quote in my book Longing

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00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,880
pilgrimage to your quiet power within. I quote Thomas Kuhn,

478
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:32,200
who wrote a treatise back in nineteen sixty around the

479
00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:37,640
shift around scientific thought. You know, physics two or a

480
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,160
thousand years ago, it doesn't look like physics today. Notes biology,

481
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,440
we have a different concept of these things. He found

482
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:50,039
that during these periods of a belief there's these kind

483
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:53,680
of central beliefs that we hold, there is a kind

484
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,240
of a cooking, a bubbling up that starts to happen

485
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:02,680
beneath the the sort of the conscious level. The conscious

486
00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:05,519
level senses that and starts to push it down and

487
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:08,480
suppress and try to hold it in place until it

488
00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:10,680
can no longer do though, and there's a sudden shift.

489
00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:14,799
It just it explodes. He referred to that first kind

490
00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:19,880
of homeostasis as the paradigm. He was the one that

491
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,880
coined that term, the paradigm of paradigm shift. So we're

492
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,480
holding onto this and then something is brewing beneath that

493
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:29,960
cannot be contained any longer by it, and boom, there's

494
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:35,039
this volcanic eruption. But what we know is geology teaches

495
00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:37,440
us there's a ton of stuff going on in the

496
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:42,799
Earth's core that causes that explosion. It's happening now, and

497
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,599
you know, we can look at it from a way

498
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:51,960
of logic or political mindset, but there's a new spiritual

499
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,279
psychology that's emerging. It it is I call it that

500
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,519
are that those of us who refer to refer to

501
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:04,519
it as SBNR spiritual but not religious. In the research

502
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:11,079
is quite available to the Pew Research Foundation. The research

503
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:17,159
shows that there's a continuous and overflowing, meaning non reversible

504
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:22,239
trend to move to the spiritual but not religious realm

505
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:27,199
and away from dogmatic, controlled kind of thinking that is

506
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,400
inherent most of our formal religions. So there's a greater

507
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,920
self referencing. That's what's happening right now. And that kind

508
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,480
of consciousness is what's disturbing the current lower levels that

509
00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:43,559
like to hold this right in place. But it will happen.

510
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, there have been lots of studies showing

511
00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:55,400
that attendance in churches in mainstream religion is drastically reducing

512
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,599
with yes, newer generation and even some of the older

513
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:03,000
generation like myself. I walked away from it many years

514
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,239
ago because of all the restrictions, and you know, I

515
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,039
did a lot of research I know how the Bible

516
00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:14,880
was written and changed, and I've had so many of

517
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:20,599
my own personal spiritual experiences that show me the truth

518
00:35:20,639 --> 00:35:23,239
at least lead me in the right direction. Yeah, so

519
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,880
I've heard this theory before. We're on a collision course,

520
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:34,559
so to speak, with a new evolution for humankind. It

521
00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:38,280
feels like the old version of us is literally going

522
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:44,119
kicking and screaming into this new age, which makes me,

523
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:47,719
you know, sometimes a little concerned that we may not

524
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,280
get there, we may destroy ourselves before we even get

525
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:51,840
to that point.

526
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 2: Well, I'm an optimist and I believe we'll get there,

527
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,440
and one needs to look at the other side say well,

528
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:02,039
what if we don't, what happens. One of the authorities,

529
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,639
early authorities in this that I referred to in longing

530
00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:12,599
is Pierre de Chardin, the French philosopher writer. He was

531
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:17,119
a paleontologist, made some significant discoveries, but he wrote about

532
00:36:17,159 --> 00:36:21,480
this evolutionary quest of the planet of the universe really

533
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,239
and he called it a striving to Omega that there

534
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,039
is this process that he called new genesis that's within

535
00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:31,679
every cell of every living being that is striving for

536
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:37,599
its complete fulfillment. And Omega point is this complete convergence

537
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:41,159
of reunity, like us all coming together and putting our

538
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:44,960
differences aside, and there's no guarantee. He speaks of the

539
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,559
risk to this that we've all stepped into as members

540
00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:55,320
of its universe to be part of this shift. And

541
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,400
so we do need advocate for one another. We need

542
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:03,719
to stand up and get politicals we need to. I'm

543
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,679
not saying everyone needs to get political, but I'm saying

544
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,800
to the person, what is political for you? What is

545
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,119
using your voice to influence what that is? And and

546
00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:17,079
lean on others to help support us as well. So, yeah,

547
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,960
and to get too too far into the current.

548
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,079
Speaker 1: That's quite all right. You can't help thinking about it

549
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:30,280
when you're living through it. Yeah, So let's let's go

550
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:39,440
back into it with past lives again, dealing with when

551
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:44,119
you're dealing with clients. Have you had situations where you

552
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:48,639
have a client going into multiple past lives at once.

553
00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 2: You know, I'll tell you one that's quite unusual. Young

554
00:37:53,840 --> 00:38:00,239
woman successful in her career, and she had she was

555
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,000
a therapist working with us, but it wasn't exactly what

556
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,119
she wanted to do. She sort of followed that by

557
00:38:05,159 --> 00:38:08,519
a family sort of pressure or conditioning that this is

558
00:38:08,559 --> 00:38:12,320
what we do. So she finds herself in this and

559
00:38:12,679 --> 00:38:16,440
would like to make a change that's not too radically different,

560
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,199
but it's different enough to challenge her, and she's not

561
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,920
making the change so at the induction. Soon that, after

562
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,840
the induction of the past life regression session, she emerges

563
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,639
as a sea horse in the bottom of a clear

564
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,719
ocean somewhere, so you see her surrounding. She was moving around,

565
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,679
and she felt actually kind of embarrassed by it, the

566
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,719
ego part of hers like, maybe I shouldn't be having

567
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,800
this thought what is this, you know, questioning it, feeling uncomfortable.

568
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,599
But the more that she moved into it, her psyche,

569
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,159
what her soul was wanting her to know was that

570
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:54,599
you are a fluid, pure being. You choose from your heart,

571
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,039
you see from a different perspective from the depths, and

572
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:02,400
from that depth gain clarity. And so more than she

573
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,960
worked with that, then she evolved get this into a

574
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:12,119
bruising Viking, a fighter on a ship in like that

575
00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:13,480
what the I guess it would have been the late

576
00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:20,639
sixteen hundreds, and then emerge into this just really by

577
00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:23,039
any any turns today, you know, this guy would be

578
00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:27,559
a brute, but he also had courage, he had strength,

579
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:30,880
he had dominance, and She's so she could see both

580
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,440
of these aspects of herself in the same being and said,

581
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:39,880
the qualities of this just gentle flowing at p Seahorse

582
00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:43,800
with his gigantic personality. It is quite a physical brute

583
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,119
who knew courage and loved at warfare. That was all

584
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,639
in her inaccessible in this lifetime. So then she's she

585
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,440
comes out of that session believing, Wow, I've I've got it.

586
00:39:55,639 --> 00:39:57,760
I've got it, I got what I need. I'm not

587
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:02,199
gonna hear go be a marauder, but I know I

588
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:07,679
had that kind of strength, I've got that masculine ability

589
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,639
to assert myself. So that was that was unusual. And

590
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,280
like I said, her ego is like fighting it no growing,

591
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,159
not Seahorse, We're something else here. But yeah, she went

592
00:40:18,199 --> 00:40:19,519
with it, and that's what came.

593
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,159
Speaker 1: I know a lot of Dolores Cannon's work where she

594
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:28,199
had written many books about the fact that people going

595
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:33,400
back and living not exactly lifetimes or as animals or

596
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:40,840
as plants or even rocks, to have all these different

597
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,920
experiences where you know, most people think of well, we're human,

598
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,480
we're human. We're human every single lifetime, and then you

599
00:40:48,559 --> 00:40:54,599
get the ones who remember living on another world, and

600
00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:59,760
so that throws some cogs in the wheel when you

601
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,599
start thinking things lineary linearly.

602
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:04,639
Speaker 2: Yes, the word.

603
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,039
Speaker 1: From human lifetimes to different experiences.

604
00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 2: Yes, Like you said that we could live on different

605
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,639
dimensions that are non human and in many cases have

606
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,719
a far advanced consciousness that we do now. And I

607
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:25,000
had an experience with that. A young man had had

608
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,280
recognized that he came in some five he was he

609
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,480
was invested in a prior life some five hundred years

610
00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:36,320
ago that was not human, but came into this lifetime

611
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:41,159
to learn human emotions and to develop empathy and compassion

612
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:44,599
love of self and others. If you put it in

613
00:41:44,679 --> 00:41:47,079
terms of the chakra systems, it was to move out

614
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:49,679
of sort of this, you know that, the knowing and

615
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:54,079
the seeing level, and moving down into heart where there's

616
00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:57,440
compassion and empathy for self and others. And he was

617
00:41:57,519 --> 00:42:00,559
quite successful at it. But that was also a realization

618
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,360
that there's other dimensions, there's other aspects.

619
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: How do you think it affects us in modern times

620
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:14,320
compared to those versions of us that lived hundreds of

621
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:20,840
years ago or longer. That had no concept of reincarnation

622
00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:25,760
or past lives, and yet you know, they may not

623
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,880
have understood why they felt certain ways. But here in

624
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:34,239
the modern day it's very popular and very much known,

625
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,880
not always accepted, but I mean it's the knowledge is there.

626
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:46,000
So these last couple of generations who are living with

627
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:51,159
understanding these experiences, does it affect us in any way

628
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,480
compared to past lives we've lived where we were just ignorant.

629
00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:58,880
Let's just say we grew up in a very strict

630
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:04,679
religious back and this type of discussion we're having here

631
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,880
would never exist.

632
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,639
Speaker 2: Absolutely. The way to one lens to use to look

633
00:43:12,639 --> 00:43:17,960
at is from a developmental perspective that those prior generations,

634
00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:21,880
and we could go back really fifty years, one hundred

635
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,239
years ago as soon as that, and then prior not

636
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,639
too far back in our human history, that most of us,

637
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:36,400
most of the societies and individuals, were coming from a

638
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,360
place of reactivity. Something happened and they reacted to it.

639
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,079
So if a violent action happened, they reacted with violence.

640
00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:49,519
A scarcity of food and water they reacted with acquiring

641
00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:52,039
or hunting or gathering or whatever it might be, and

642
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:56,400
all of that survived or excuse me, contributed to our survival.

643
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,400
We needed that. It was a necessary part of us urging,

644
00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:03,840
and we learn to organize around those principles. Hey, I'm

645
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,519
in charge, and what I say goes uh. Band of

646
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,840
whatever tribe, we need to go kill something and you know,

647
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,800
communicate that we're going to take it down, but I'm

648
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:14,960
going to be first to eat the red.

649
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:15,079
Speaker 1: You know.

650
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:19,199
Speaker 2: It's like a wolf pack mentality. So that still exists

651
00:44:19,199 --> 00:44:22,719
in our consciousness, that kind of wolf pack mentality of

652
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:27,719
a single alpha and an alpha female male, females dominance

653
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,480
and then they breed accordingly. Well, that's still active in

654
00:44:32,559 --> 00:44:36,880
our culture. It's active in us individual say active. It

655
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:42,920
is accessible to us individually. What happens beyond that is

656
00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:48,480
more connection with emotion, having a deeper understanding of who

657
00:44:48,559 --> 00:44:53,840
we are beyond mere survival. I feel love, I feel

658
00:44:55,119 --> 00:44:59,519
some empathy, I feel some concern. So that's a higher

659
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,599
level of connection to be aware. So we've moved out

660
00:45:02,599 --> 00:45:06,599
of reactivity to being able to respond, and now we're

661
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,840
become a choice. And once we continually access that choice,

662
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,639
we call it exercising our free will gift. When we

663
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,719
exercise that, then we can evolve ourselves but if we're

664
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:24,400
still down there believing that you might prevails. Uh was

665
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,079
it right makes or might makes right? I guess butchered

666
00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:32,880
that statement. But anyway, the idea is to understand that

667
00:45:33,039 --> 00:45:36,920
we are at choice and there are multiple options available

668
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:41,800
to us, and we can hold those perspectives simultaneously, like

669
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,599
I could be angry at someone and love them at

670
00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:46,119
the same time I don't have to kill them. So

671
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,440
having those two points of tension is part of this

672
00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:56,320
advanced consciousness that we're developing. Is we can see ourselves

673
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,679
as unified whole and yet see all the multiplicity of

674
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:02,840
different diference in our choices and our behaviors and our

675
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,800
uh physical characteristics, all of the ways that we identify

676
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,920
ourselves socially, all of those points can be accommodated in

677
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:18,039
the new kind of consciousness. And that's to evolve, and

678
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:21,920
say it begins with evolving, to say I have choices,

679
00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:25,199
I don't just have to do this. And we saw

680
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,440
so much of that socially in the fifties around around

681
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,280
the women's movement and being articulated by Bill Asberg and

682
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,079
others in the sixties to say, hold on a second,

683
00:46:34,519 --> 00:46:36,519
there's more than one way of being female in this

684
00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:40,239
world and let's let's check that out. And Gloria Steinem

685
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,880
and others became very political about it and enroll women

686
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,400
in a whole different perspective. That's today. We couldn't recognize

687
00:46:48,559 --> 00:46:53,639
that in the past. Fast forward, we wouldn't recognize women today.

688
00:46:55,320 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: Those social norms that that that civil change in our

689
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:05,599
culture and society, and it's a growth it's a growth period.

690
00:47:05,679 --> 00:47:09,920
I mean, we used to do things in our past

691
00:47:10,039 --> 00:47:16,159
that we're very sketchy and keeping people forced into certain

692
00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:22,239
constructs within not only our society in this country, but

693
00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:27,599
in Western Europe and all over the world. And how

694
00:47:27,679 --> 00:47:34,000
things have changed to again, we wouldn't recognize it fifty

695
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,000
to one hundred years ago.

696
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 2: No, we wouldn't. And one of the things I referred

697
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:44,199
to in my book Longing is the passage that many

698
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:48,800
of us embark on to make those kinds of changes,

699
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:52,440
and I refer to them as sacred calamities. I referred

700
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:57,239
back to in my reading of Ralph waldol Emerson. He

701
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,760
spoke about calamities, these events and lines that just have

702
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,519
this sort of sudden impact or a dramatic impact, and

703
00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:07,400
how we see the world and it can change the

704
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,920
way that we live, and most of them are uncomfortable.

705
00:48:11,079 --> 00:48:14,639
We don't want to have these kind of experiences. And

706
00:48:14,679 --> 00:48:20,199
I realized through my research into post traumatic growth theory

707
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,920
that there is an aspect of coming out of that

708
00:48:23,159 --> 00:48:27,039
change that lends itself to the spiritual advancement that I

709
00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:30,320
refer to in longing, and that is where the soul

710
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:35,880
is seeking to expand will choose experiences to ignite that expansion,

711
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,360
and some of it can be referring to past life imprints,

712
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,159
like we need to get rid of this, we need

713
00:48:41,199 --> 00:48:45,119
to explode this thing, this isn't working for us, and

714
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:47,760
it can be more immediate current life things that we

715
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,519
learned in childhood. I submit that most of the stuff

716
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:53,719
we learned in childhood is the same stuff we learned

717
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,599
in the past lives. It's just represented in a different package.

718
00:48:57,159 --> 00:49:02,280
So by having this encounter, this kind of dramatic encounter

719
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:06,719
or this calamity, it becomes sacred when we open to

720
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,800
our spiritual growth, to the bigger heart within us, that's

721
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:15,360
that's connected to the divine and we see ourselves and

722
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,000
we see that event as having served something far greater

723
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:22,760
than a catastrophe or a bad day. You know, and

724
00:49:23,079 --> 00:49:27,559
I refer to interviews of five different people that courageously, openly,

725
00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:32,280
generously shared their experiences that were quite dramatic, each in

726
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,119
its own ways that led them to a bigger sense

727
00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:41,159
of self and understanding of humanity from a soulful perspective.

728
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,280
And they were, as I say, they were generous in

729
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:50,000
providing their stories, and and I examined their stories to

730
00:49:50,039 --> 00:49:55,719
the perspective of growth of spirituality. I pre selected. Actually,

731
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,519
I knew these folks had some kind of experience and

732
00:49:58,559 --> 00:49:59,840
I wanted to know more about it.

733
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:07,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes me think again, how with past lives,

734
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:10,800
and let's say, just as an example, when we talked

735
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:18,760
about women and women's roles, and in most cultures had

736
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:24,480
those women's roles compared to men where women were kept

737
00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:29,400
in a certain place. I mean, even some matriarchal societies,

738
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,679
you still had the men who were the hunter gatherers

739
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:38,880
and the strength, and the women were you know, not

740
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:43,880
only creating families, but you know, they worked a lot

741
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,679
behind the scenes in a lot of ways, especially in

742
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:53,639
matriarchal societies. And now, as you mentioned, by the fifties

743
00:50:53,679 --> 00:50:57,840
and sixties and the women's movement, they've moved more into

744
00:50:59,199 --> 00:51:05,960
a lot of taking on masculine attributes to develop and

745
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:09,400
change and in a lot of ways in modern society,

746
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:14,880
there's a lot of men who are developed feminine attributes.

747
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,000
They're not the alpha males that used to have. There's

748
00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:25,400
been much larger segment of society that has gone that's softened,

749
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,840
and it doesn't go. I mean, there still are the

750
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,320
alpha males out there, absolutely, but there's a lot more,

751
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:35,679
or at least it's more recognized that there are people

752
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,000
who are more in touch with their feminine side than say,

753
00:51:39,159 --> 00:51:41,159
the hardcore masculine.

754
00:51:41,559 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 2: I agree, And you know, within each of us there

755
00:51:44,599 --> 00:51:49,480
is whether we're born male or female, or we transition,

756
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:54,639
there's more within us those qualities of masculine and feminine.

757
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,480
Regardless they follow us, they are within us, and we

758
00:51:57,559 --> 00:52:02,639
have them in varying degrees fortunately our societies and less

759
00:52:02,639 --> 00:52:07,079
so as you and are underscoring here, less so being

760
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:11,199
imprinted in certain ways of behaving so that we avoid

761
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,760
if I'm if I'm a man, I'm going to avoid

762
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,360
the feminine by acting ultra masculine so that it keeps

763
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,719
it simpler. Right, I'm a man at men act like this,

764
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,880
and so that's a kind of binary perspective or the

765
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:30,039
non accommodating psyche that are psychology that adopts those kinds

766
00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:33,559
of beliefs. So let's just keep it simple. But there's

767
00:52:33,639 --> 00:52:36,480
far more complex and complexity to all of us. And

768
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,119
that's what's part of what's getting open and what we're

769
00:52:40,119 --> 00:52:43,679
experiencing in our culture now is the willingness to embrace that,

770
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,519
not just admit it or allow it, but to embrace

771
00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:52,199
it and value it. I, for one, am learning to

772
00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:55,960
embrace the more and more my feminine in a way

773
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:01,559
that I goes beyond appreciating it. It's like act learning.

774
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,679
I give you a quick example. I did a stupid

775
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,559
thing in June. I jumped on my bike. I had

776
00:53:09,559 --> 00:53:11,679
no time, but I was going to get a workout

777
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,559
in and I jump on a bike head around. I

778
00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:17,679
lived next to a two hundred and sixty five acre lake.

779
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,199
There's a big track around it, and I jump on

780
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:25,039
there and I hit this small ledge of a bump

781
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:28,679
and went down hard. Turns out it broke five ribs

782
00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:32,760
and concussed. And the first thing I said to myself

783
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,840
was I'm sorry. That was the first thing I uttered.

784
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,760
After the oomph. I said, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, and

785
00:53:41,159 --> 00:53:45,000
I realized that the feminine part of me had been

786
00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:48,239
so neglected by this sort of you know, let's go

787
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:51,960
kind of way of surviving and doing in the world.

788
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,880
That led to a lot of achievements and was part

789
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,199
of my early conditioning, but it's time really to let

790
00:53:58,199 --> 00:54:01,400
that go. So it was like a make or break point.

791
00:54:01,519 --> 00:54:03,360
And then a couple of nights later, I had the

792
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,920
message that came to me it's the impact, and I said, well,

793
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,119
no kidding, it's the impact that I can barely sleep,

794
00:54:10,159 --> 00:54:13,880
you know that kind of thing. What I learned with

795
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,079
a more open mind was that the impact was the

796
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:20,960
impact it would have on me to open to much

797
00:54:21,559 --> 00:54:24,840
more life giving aspects of who I am. Always knew

798
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,159
that intellectually and I strove for it and my way

799
00:54:27,199 --> 00:54:30,679
of being, but this was like, buddy, you got to

800
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,840
get this, you got to open up to this. And

801
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,559
I believe that that's part of one of my purposes

802
00:54:36,599 --> 00:54:39,320
in this lifetime that I've learned through these my past

803
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:45,480
life progression experiences, is I need to invite to embrace

804
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,039
that feminine energy within me that's very powerful.

805
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:55,519
Speaker 1: I'll tell you a quick story. There was a time

806
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,320
God I don't like to say how long ago it

807
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:05,920
was where I was meditating, and I during this meditation,

808
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:11,119
I had a vivid journey for whatever you want to

809
00:55:11,159 --> 00:55:20,519
call it. I found myself at the Kashak records. And

810
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,440
when I entered it, it's like, you know what a

811
00:55:23,519 --> 00:55:27,920
lot of people could imagine big, you know, granite, you

812
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:32,239
know punk columns and rose and rose and rose and rose,

813
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:37,599
a book stretching to eternity. But in this particular vision,

814
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:42,719
I instinctively knew that I could go look at my

815
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:48,360
past lives. And there was this little, tiny shelf compared

816
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:53,159
to everything else that was in there, and I understood

817
00:55:53,159 --> 00:55:59,639
that I could pick two two scrolls. So I grabbed one,

818
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:04,480
and without opening it, I just understood it was a

819
00:56:04,639 --> 00:56:10,679
past life as a Roman emperor. Now nobody famous or

820
00:56:10,679 --> 00:56:13,840
anything came to mind. It was just somebody, a man

821
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:18,599
of power. So then I grabbed the next one, and

822
00:56:18,679 --> 00:56:22,840
I saw myself as a lady in waiting back during

823
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,880
the Middle Ages, so it was a woman of servitude.

824
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,119
And the lesson that came to me out of that

825
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:40,440
was balance. You're experiencing both extremes, but there's still the

826
00:56:40,519 --> 00:56:45,119
same person. There's still you and it's balancing out those

827
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:50,679
energies from those lifetimes, and I think that's definitely a

828
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:55,639
lesson for me in this lifetime, is balancing out masculine

829
00:56:55,679 --> 00:57:02,960
and feminine energies, social status, energy, I mean, power, and servitude.

830
00:57:04,119 --> 00:57:08,559
There's a lot to unpack in there, and I mean

831
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,000
that's all I can remember, but it stayed with me

832
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:15,239
for a very very long time, which kind of fits

833
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,119
perfectly in with the whole aspect of reincarnation and experiences.

834
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:24,320
You experience one aspect of a life and then you

835
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,119
experience another aspect. Sometimes there are the opposites, and again,

836
00:57:28,159 --> 00:57:30,840
I won't get into karma. It's just that it's a

837
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,639
learning path. It's learning all of these experiences.

838
00:57:36,239 --> 00:57:41,159
Speaker 2: I love how you recognize the qualities that those two

839
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:47,360
lives were presenting, that you have those, that you have

840
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:51,960
access to those, and then from there, did you consciously

841
00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:54,480
choose to develop them further and integrate them.

842
00:57:55,039 --> 00:57:58,519
Speaker 1: Yes, it took a while, took a number of years,

843
00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:01,960
but slowly I was in a greeting all that into

844
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:09,280
my life and just living with the idea that you

845
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,239
focus on the whole and all of your experiences. I

846
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,960
could look back at my life now and I can

847
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:21,280
look at, let's say, every bad thing that's ever happened

848
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:27,079
to me, every stupid decision I've made, or bad situations

849
00:58:27,239 --> 00:58:31,280
I was in, and you know what, I can honestly

850
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,320
look back at every single one of them, even though

851
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,320
I might cringe and I realized I would not be

852
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,159
the person I am now if I did not experience that.

853
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 2: In a good way.

854
00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it's maybe a better person, but it's all

855
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,559
learning experiences.

856
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:54,119
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah. I once offer two observations around this. First

857
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:58,119
is you led yourself into a past life regression experience

858
00:58:58,280 --> 00:58:59,000
via your dream.

859
00:58:59,199 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: Right.

860
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 2: This all occurred in a dream state or when meditation.

861
00:59:02,519 --> 00:59:05,360
It was a meditative state meditation, so you were a

862
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:11,239
deeper state of well we collectively are broadly speaking, could

863
00:59:11,239 --> 00:59:13,679
call a trance. You brought yourself into a trance state,

864
00:59:14,199 --> 00:59:17,639
and you went with what emerged, and you came to

865
00:59:17,719 --> 00:59:24,639
these two volumes of past lives that held information that

866
00:59:24,719 --> 00:59:27,400
was relevant to you to today, and then you could

867
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,800
then be a further choice about how you would work

868
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,039
with that information in those dimensions of yourself. That's a

869
00:59:33,079 --> 00:59:36,199
past life regression session. You did it, and we can

870
00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:39,320
do those sometimes in our dreams. They just happened, But

871
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:43,760
we can walk ourselves into those experiences, just as you

872
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,360
expertly did. Then, the other thing I want to say

873
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:50,679
about that is that you were showing this information and

874
00:59:50,719 --> 00:59:56,079
you decided, so you exercise your choice to integrate those

875
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,800
And that's the advantage of a past life progression session

876
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,239
is that we move into that with the intention to reveal,

877
01:00:04,039 --> 01:00:09,719
to heal, and to live out those changes in those commitments,

878
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:15,719
to change by our choices. And then you referred to

879
01:00:16,199 --> 01:00:19,400
there was a you know, I was referring to this

880
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,800
sort of shock experience I have with a bicycle sometimes

881
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:28,119
that those kinds of things, those immediate shocks also bring

882
01:00:28,199 --> 01:00:31,360
us back to something that we've historically done, or the

883
01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:36,159
sacred calamities bring into view. Oh my gosh, this has

884
01:00:36,159 --> 01:00:39,599
been around for eons. Now is the time to work

885
01:00:39,639 --> 01:00:42,239
with this and to free it. Either way, it's bringing

886
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,719
us to a point of choice, and that's what makes

887
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,280
the difference in our conscious evolution. And more and more

888
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,480
we can be a choice, and more and more we

889
01:00:50,519 --> 01:00:57,199
can accommodate variations and differences and live with that sense

890
01:00:57,239 --> 01:01:02,880
of ambiguity yet be a an exercise choice. That's a

891
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:03,840
sign of evolution.

892
01:01:06,599 --> 01:01:10,079
Speaker 1: It's almost overwhelming sometimes to think about, but it all

893
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:16,920
makes sense to me, and I'm It's what I'm most

894
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,280
excited about as I continue on this journey through life

895
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:25,760
is having these experiences, having these epiphanies. I'm learning more

896
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,679
every single day. That's why I love doing this show,

897
01:01:28,719 --> 01:01:34,840
talking to people like yourself who have had some definite experiences,

898
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:40,079
and I learned from those experiences that you've had. They

899
01:01:40,119 --> 01:01:44,800
affect me so and hopefully my little stories can do

900
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:45,519
the same for you.

901
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,639
Speaker 2: Well, I certainly have, and they will as they unfold

902
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,719
in my own recall. I'll remember this, yeah, and then

903
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:54,880
I'll see the I'll see the show again later.

904
01:01:55,000 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: So well, we are coming up towards the end here.

905
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:05,440
Now your book, Longing a Pilgrimage to your Quiet Power within?

906
01:02:06,639 --> 01:02:08,559
Am I correct? It's not yet.

907
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:12,679
Speaker 2: Published, not yet published, will be. It's in the queue

908
01:02:12,719 --> 01:02:16,000
to come out June second in the US. It has

909
01:02:16,039 --> 01:02:19,440
a May release state in the UK. The publisher is

910
01:02:19,519 --> 01:02:23,960
Collective Inc. At the distributor Simon and Schuster, owner of

911
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:29,000
Collective Inc. And I'm looking forward to sharing it with others.

912
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:32,400
It's been quite a journey writing it. I've loved writing it,

913
01:02:32,519 --> 01:02:36,119
though at times it's been difficult, confusing, and challenging. I

914
01:02:36,159 --> 01:02:39,639
have loved the growth experience and that's what I wanted

915
01:02:39,639 --> 01:02:41,639
to instill in the book. I didn't want to do

916
01:02:41,679 --> 01:02:44,320
a whole lot of telling. I wanted to do a

917
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:48,199
leading into self guided experiences, and that's what the book

918
01:02:48,239 --> 01:02:53,199
is about. Longing will be available, as I said June second.

919
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:58,519
It's currently available for pre order through Amazon, Barnes, and Noble.

920
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,159
Simon and Schuster's great place to look for their outlets,

921
01:03:02,719 --> 01:03:05,840
and I'm looking forward to it and having more conversations

922
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,079
about it. Thank you for this one.

923
01:03:07,519 --> 01:03:10,599
Speaker 1: Sure do you have a website or anything that I do?

924
01:03:11,679 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, and I'd be happy to follow up with

925
01:03:14,039 --> 01:03:16,880
any questions that any of your listeners might have around

926
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:20,199
our conversation today or simply want to know more about

927
01:03:20,199 --> 01:03:26,000
the work that I do. My website is livelifesoul dot

928
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:30,360
com and my email address and welcome emails is Chris

929
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:36,599
Chris Chris at livelithethsoul dot com. I'll also be getting

930
01:03:36,679 --> 01:03:41,320
much more presence at Facebook. I'm currently at LinkedIn and

931
01:03:41,679 --> 01:03:45,159
be much more active at Instagram, so more to come.

932
01:03:45,199 --> 01:03:48,840
I'm also available if someone wants to test my work

933
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:52,920
and enjoy some of my guided meditations and coursework at

934
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,320
Insight Timer. So you just look for me at Chris

935
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:59,880
Sanson and you'll find some three different guided meditations and

936
01:04:00,239 --> 01:04:04,159
the course on declaring your Ordinary your Extraordinary Purpose.

937
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 1: Fantastic. Well, Chris, I can't thank you enough for coming

938
01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:12,599
on the show. This has been insanely educational and enlightening,

939
01:04:12,679 --> 01:04:15,679
and we'll have to have you back again because I'm

940
01:04:15,719 --> 01:04:17,440
sure there's a lot more we could talk about.

941
01:04:18,039 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 2: I would love to for those reasons and for our exploration.

942
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:23,639
This has been wonderful. Thank you, Melissa.

943
01:04:23,679 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you well. That was a great conversation with

944
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:31,239
Christopher Sensome and look forward to his book coming out

945
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:35,159
in June. But I always love these conversations dealing with

946
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:42,880
past lives, different aspects of who we might have been

947
01:04:43,159 --> 01:04:48,360
at some point, who we are continuing to be now. Definitely,

948
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,880
it's a conversation I will continue to have as this

949
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:55,119
show moves on and as I move on. So thank

950
01:04:55,159 --> 01:04:58,320
you all for tuning in to another edition of trans

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Dimensional Realities here on the Paranormal UK Radio Network and

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on my YouTube channel, Melissaly. So thank you everybody for

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tuning in and we'll catch you next week, see it