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Hi everyone, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you
happen to be in this particular timeline, Welcome to trans
dimensional Realities, where we delve into the stranger aspects and
high strangeness that permeates our everyday reality. I'm your host, Melliss,
and if you like me living in the northeast, I
hope you were able to dig out from this latest snowstorm.
We're not used to getting blizzards in New Jersey, but
this one was certainly one for the books. It dumped
over twenty inches of snow in my area alone. Spring
certainly can't come soon enough. I'm looking forward to the
summer where I can go down the shore, as they
say here in Jersey. Now, I'm going to read an
introduction for our guests, because there's a lot of technical
jargon and I would just screw it up, so bear
with me here now. Our guest today is Christopher Sanson,
who is a seasoned life leadership and spiritual teacher and
coach with over twenty five years of experience. Chris holds
a PhD in Human Development from Fielding Graduate Institute and
integrating human development theory, trans personal psychology and post traumatic
growth into an evidence based holistic practice now. Chris is
a certified practitioner of past life regression therapy and former
teacher of the Hoffman Quadrinity Process. Wow I actually pronounced
that right. He has empowered hundreds of clients through his
training at the Coactive Training Institute to lead with purpose, integrity,
and self awareness. Chris is the author of Longing, a
Pilgrimage to Your Quiet Power Within. So let's welcome Chris
Sanson to the program. Hi, Chris, Welcome to the program.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Melissa. It's a pleasure to be here.
Speaker 1: So, as I always start off just asking people, I
read your bio and there are a lot of words
in there that I almost couldn't pronounce. But if you
could just give a general explanation to the audience about
what you do, and I know you focus a lot
on past life regression, but you've had a lot of
other experience with teaching and tell me a little bit
about yourself.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll start there with my experience teaching and coaching,
because I think it's all been stepping stones to where
I am today. And what was a big life turning
event for me is when I went into a PhD
program with the Field and Graduate Institute on Human Development.
And so I saw the life span the way that
we organize as human beings from a wholly different perspective,
one that was dynamic and interesting and flowing and it's
ever evolving. So it got me deeper into this curiosity
around human consciousness, what do we think, believe, what drives
their behaviors? And then over time, actually around the same time,
I certified with the Coaches Training Institute now called the
Coactive Training Institute, and as a coach did years of
practice coaching leaders and such, and then went to work
for the Hoffmann Institute as a teacher. And that was
a really a grand step into working at a very
transformational level with human beings willing bravely to take a
look at their lives in an open sense and taking
that step into the future of who they truly are.
So that was yeah, and then that led to what
I'm doing now. I sort of indipitously started writing this book.
I didn't really plan out to do it, but it
sort of guided me. The process guided me and I
became a willing follower. So put it that way. At
first I wasn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was looking at the book. And that seems
to happen a lot to people I talked to. They
had no intention of writing a book, and all of
a sudden they wind up writing a book. They feel
that calling or they're pushed into that area. So you
work with past life regression, and is there any particular
aspect of it that you focus on? You just do
it in general. Is it to help resolve present day trauma?
Speaker 2: You know, that's a great starting point, is to work
with the present day trauma. And sometimes it's it's the
kinds of habitual, repetitive behaviors that we have that are
less than trauma on the intensity scale, but nonetheless they're
influential in our lives. And we've done all of the
good therapy, we've done all of the good you know,
medicine guided journeys and retreats and such, and we just
can't get to that one stubborn way of being or
reacting behaving that's in our way. In so many, so
many facets for relationships, work, connecting to self, it just
keeps getting in a way. So past life progression offers
yet another avenue into a healing journey. And yes, it
can work, we can work at the trauma level. I've
had training in trauma response to add to my certificate
past life regression therapy. So it's it has a wide
birth of application and uses.
Speaker 1: Now, past life regression and hypnotic regression in general has
been used for years. Yes, but how well is it
accepted in the scientific community, especially dealing with past lives?
Speaker 2: You know, fairly well. Actually, there's considerable credible, grounded research
studies into past life experiences and in the structured sense
of what a good a good pistemological study would show
and would be published in a scientific journal. So there's
there's a lot of dreams of information there. And really
it all got started about forty five or fifty years
ago with authors like Roger Wolger and Michael Newton who
really studied. One of the most prolific ones has been
Ryan Weese's books, and it's really sort of revealed what
most of us have a sentence of, that there's something
going on beyond this current life, and we can actually
access that in a way that's helpful to us. Rather
than driven by it.
Speaker 1: There's I know people have been regressed when they've had
let's say modern day phobias. They're afraid of heights, they're
afraid of fire, and usually with taking them back to
a past life, they find out that maybe they fell
off a building and died, or they were burned at
the stake in England or something. And so those traumas
seem to bleed over, even though if you look at
the idea of reincarnation, you know we're technically supposed to
have all of our minds wiped when we come here
so that we're not influenced by the past and we
can learn and grow. And yet these things still seem
to bleed over.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's so true. And as you said, bleed over
that I believe that there's an intention that they're at
the soul level to actually present those issues in this
current lifetime so that we can heal, so that we
can integrate those aspects of ourselves. They're mighty enough in
our past that we do need to bring peace to
that aspect of ourselves. And you mentioned hypnosis. It's usually
the people's first step into past life progression is fear
of heights or or you know, tumultuous relationships and in
a certain pattern it keeps repeating over and over again,
or fear of elevators as small places and such that
you know, again, done all the psychotherapeutic work and reflection
and cause and effect and conditioning, but it still keeps
happening none the less. So past life regression interests. It
gives a really great entry point into that. And hypnosis
is an aspect of past life regression. And I describe
past life aggression as hypnosis with a steering wheel. We're
going in the direction of what makes most sense to
our soul, and that's what gets presented to us.
Speaker 1: Right, Because you could regress somebody and not even just
tell them generally, and you can correct me on this
if I got it wrong, but generally you're letting the
patient who's under regression pick the lifetime, pick the scene
on what's most important for them at that moment, and
that's usually where that trauma comes from.
Speaker 2: I like your insight because what I think a misnomer
that still sort of hangs around past life regression and
hypnosis is that somehow hypnosis or the past life regression
or is controlling the person and that couldn't be farther
from the truth. When a person enters in the hypnotic state,
the ego self, this part that you and I are
using to have this conversation is still online. It's just
taking a break, and it's in the background in support
of the experience that we're having a much deeper psychic
level into the subconscious and having connection with the paranormal
and the deeper aspects of who we are. But yet
it's okay, it's relaxed, it's kicking its feet up, and
it's there if needed. And we don't have a hypnotic
state or a past life regression state if the ego interferes,
so it can't, but it chooses not to. And that's
part of the induction process, is to get all of
us online and on board.
Speaker 1: What about some criticism that comes from places that suggest
that the regressionist is sometimes planting ideas and a person
to lead them down in a certain way, or you know,
kind of asking leading questions and then the person's mind
is making something up to respond to that question, wanting
to you know, in that hypnotic state, they want to
in essence please or please the person asking the question.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's a great question. Normally that's nearly impossible. Now
not to say, with certain personalities we can't be highly
influenced and we're and we're pleasing and want to want
to accommodate the whoever the therapist is. But there's a
much deeper at choice process going on that precedes the
need to please or these sort of inherited patterns that
we get and we play out in life, and that
comes from the subconscious and so we're getting access to
that and it also is choosing. So the subconscious doesn't lie.
I mean, we don't lie in our dreams. We project
real stuff. It's symbolic, it's metaphorical, but it's real. We're
not lying in our dreams, and that is what that
is the aspect of ourself that we're accessing. So it's
really difficult to trick that part of ourselves or manipulate
that part of ourselves. Besides, most persons who have a
sense of self that aren't going to put up with
that or they're not going to play. The subconscious just
won't do it. So the ego to subconscious, you know,
enjoin and say eh, not for me, or the session
just won't go very.
Speaker 1: Far Well, tell me about when you first started doing
hypnotherapy where your interests started to come into past lives.
Speaker 2: Well, it started immediately with past life regression work because
I had the experience as a receiver of past life progression.
Had a couple of sessions Kelly Bearer here in a
Boulder area that worked with me, and she did a
fabulous job, and I said, how do I do this?
I want to do this work having had the background
that I had. It was a perfect fit. But it
would revealed a number of different things that I had
recurring about my parents' relationship and that I could see
in this played out clear dramatic fashion, answers to questions
and images that were persistent in my own life that
were beyond the realm of psychotherapy. Because I had a
good amount of psychotherapy, including twice attending the one week
intensive of the Hawfman Quadrinity process, which is all about
investigating childhood and releasing trauma from childhood. So why these
images were hanging out. I had this image of my
mother who became my mother. I had this version of
her that at this point I yet didn't know it
was my mother, and it was actually coming out in
psilocybin experiences, and then later in my conscious non affected
mindset of seeing a woman imprisoned in a single like
a single jail building, chained strewn across the floor in
great agony, and she was a beautiful woman by all accounts,
highly abused by the situation, and I pieced it together
why And I could envision myself as some six or
eight year old little boy on a step person, peering
over and being able to see her through the barred window,
and feeling tremendous agony myself sorrow that and separation from
my mother and a complete powerlessness to save her. But
once the past life regression took me into how who
is this woman? I that her name was Veronica? Who
was this woman? Who was Veronica? Who was this boy?
Why are they connected? And how did she get there?
And that's how it played out in my scene, and
my subconscious went right to it in detail, and I understood, oh,
this is the kind of relationship I had with my mother.
I felt her savior who was powerless. So once I
got that in my awareness, my current day awareness, I
could work from a new way of being in relationship
to my mother, who by that time it passed, but
still my internalized version of my mother was much more peaceful.
Speaker 1: Fascinating. That's really an interesting story. I think a lot
about something that has been really interesting me lately. I've
been listening to a lot of near death experiencers stories
and trying to put that together with the past life
experiences that happen under regression. And a lot of the
stories I hear about is they talk about planning your
life before you come into this life. Yes, why are
you going to be this way? And if all of
that is planned to have new experiences, I question why
certain aspects from past lives again would bleed over into
this life if you're here to have a new experience.
Speaker 2: That is a fundamental question. And there are two perspectives
on this that actually blend. One is determinism or fate,
like I planned and therefore I have these experiences. However,
that's only part of the story. That's one half of
the equation. The other half of the equation is I
have free will choice, and there are a lot of
variables in the planning and the way it gets played
out in the lifetime. So, for instance, I may plan
to have a relationship with a particular person but that
particular person isn't available right now. So now what do
I do. Well, I have free will choice, and I
am still compelled to gain a lesson through relationship. I'd
hoped to be with this person A, but now person
A is not available, So I will find person B
to help me to engage in that relationship so that
I can learn this lesson. So there are lots of
fluid points and connections that are affected by the human choice.
So for example, if a father abandons a child, but
that father was necessary for that child to learn a
lesson about connection and foundational kind of love and groundedness,
but the father leaves, well, that just and that was
made at a very human level, not at a very
egoic personality level, not from this place of soul and spirit.
Now that child's got a different choice. That child has
to find a match to learn that lesson somewhere about
healthy attachment. So it gets played out. Yeah, the determinism,
it's kind of a strong word. Let's say, fate that
we pre plan is to learn certain lessons, the backdrop
or the stage that we're on can change.
Speaker 1: That is fascinating. It definitely gives food for thought. M
especially with dealing with however many past lives you have,
I mean, what kind of trauma are you experiencing? How
many different lives to go that would affect you now?
Speaker 2: Yes, and you know, Melissa, these things get repeated, you know,
just like in this lifetime. Some like we'll look back
to childhood and we any one of them us have
had conditioning that was brought down from mom and dad
or whomever our primary caregivers were first, and it gets
it gets solidified in schools and our cultures and all
those other things. Well, we come in with this sort
of innocence and impressionability like we want, oh my gosh,
we want to please, we want to belong, we want
to be like we know we need to survive. We're
very vulnerable, so we'll do just about anything to get
that kind of affiliation and that security, the core survivor's security.
So in that mix, we're learning how to be and
behave from another standard that's outside of us. It's learned behavior.
It's imposed on us. Yeah, we adopt it, we adapt
to these things, but it's it's coming from somewhere else.
And until we get to the root of who we
truly are, we're going to keep repeating those patterns over
and over again to point their habitual and we get
really good at some of them. You know, how to
shut off, or how to overwork, or how to achieve
so that we're recognized, whatever it might be, how to
please others, how to dominate others. And until we learn,
until we can get to the root of those, they
cause enough pain and disruption in our lives, we will
be stuck. So that's the beauty of past life regression
and recognizes others, these repeating patterns across lifetimes that can
actually be unstuck. I can be free, but most people
are kind of afraid of that, you know. They don't
want to deal with removing this stuff they know, so
they stay attached to it. But it takes enough pain
and suffering and finally Summon says, I give, okay, what
what is it? And then the work.
Speaker 1: Begins about how many people would you say that you
have walked through past life aggression? At this point, you know.
Speaker 2: The numbers are hitting. Like in the twenties thirties, I've
been working with people at different levels and groups and
helping people to reflect on what's going on. I'm interested
from the standpoint of this current learning process I'm engaged in.
It's called somatic channeling. And there are some forty of
us in this cohort, and this is an emerging very
dramatic and dramatic in a sense of outcomes and also
in appearance of a way of expressing self that's quite ancient,
but like most human beings, we sort of want to
reconfigure it and make it something else. But at our essence,
all of us have this ability to heal and what
comes out through the spontaneous expression somatic of the body
and connecting to the body as the true temple the
soul coming here and giving attention and freedom to This
is so much about what happened in the past. So
much is emerging, and I hear stories and testimonials over
and over again from our cohort about meeting some aspect
of self that they had no idea of in this
current life but makes absolute sense and explain so many
different things about what they're experiencing, an onerous relationship that
they have. Why am I so drawn to people who
kick me around? What's that about? And we realized that
in the past they've had those kind of experiences but
have never been able to get out of them and
free their self. So once they realize, oh, this is
something I've actually chosen and choose it consciously. But I
chose it, I can choose to not have this, and
then that's the point of freedom. And the body's telling
us this constantly.
Speaker 1: What about the opposite of maybe somebody who is in
that cycle, but because not because they weren't able to
resolve it in the past, but maybe they were on
the other end and causing it in the past. Some people,
you know, use the word karma. I use that word
very reluctantly because I don't think karma works like a
lot of people think. But what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: Well, I really appreciate that you put that finer point
on karma, because we kind of think it's like a
justice system. You know, you do that, I'll do karmo
get them, you know, or the universal get them and whatever.
There aren't paybacks in that sense. It's all about choice.
So sometimes we come in you mentioned pre life planning.
We come in with the intention of fulfilling different roles
in service of others and ourselves, so we may know
that we have uh in the soul at the sole level.
We have a tendency to be responsible and not being
able to handle day to day decisions or follow through
her commitments. So we come into a lifetime where we're
going to be exposed to a bunch of decisions and
people around us who might be lax in carrying forward
their responsibilities. So now we got to take over and
we got to handle this. I've heard accounts of a
it was actually pretty dramatic. One in the research, it
showed that there was a man and a woman. Woman
was abducted in a bar. She was rootfeed. The man
takes her into a hotel room and rapes her before
she leaves, inexplicable to her, so he falls asleep. She
regains consciousness, she kisses him and leaves, and she couldn't
understand why she did that, Why did she show him
this affection and which she probably should have called law
enforcement on him or done something, you know whatever. Sow
him up in the she but she gets out and
she finally threw the past life progression, realized that was
an aspect of that was a being from a soul
from her past that she had abused, and it came
back to regain the power differential between the two of them,
it was in agreement, and so from there she made peace.
That's one of the more dramatic episodes. Most aren't like that.
Speaker 1: No, that's pretty wild. Yeah, Sometimes I wonder with when
we look into past lives, at least most of the
ones that I've studied or heard about very relatively within
the last thousand years or so, and it seems like
lives that are much older than that, let's say, going
back five thousand years. I mean, humanity has been on
this planet for a lot longer than that, but the
focus of lifetime seems to be more recent and recent trauma,
say in the last couple of hundred years or a
few hundred years, rather than going way way way back
to where were hunter gatherers for society formed. So I'm
just wondering in your experience, if you've encountered or you know,
how far back has anyone really gone in your experience.
Speaker 2: Well, most of the ones that I consider far back
around a thousand years ago, you know, putting us in
the eighteen hundreds or so, in late eighteen hundreds. And
I don't know why, more like the Victorian era. I
don't know why that is. I could think of three
or four different examples of people who entered it into
that point. And I don't think it's because we take
that long of a span to reincarnate. Typically the shorter
span is about one hundred years that will come back
into So it's I don't know why that Maybe is
just the people I'm working with. I'm not sure, but
those those times seem to be particularly impactful in these
current lines, And I'm not sure why.
Speaker 1: Maybe because well, you could say they're they're fresher, they're closer.
And yet one of the things I've been studying in
my own research is the idea of linear time is
just a concept for us here. There really is no
linear time. It's all time is happening at once. String
theory seems to point that way, especially with multiple dimensions.
So when you're looking at some of these we would
think of as more recent lifetimes, that time doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Yes, the good point, it doesn't matter what happened. What
matters is beyond this, let's call it a human construct
of time. What matters is the emotional resonance that it
has on our current lives, and what current lives being
the greatest indicator of where we are in our leading
edge of our soul. So if we're having these experiences
now today, it means that something from the past is
continuing to affect our evolution. So we need to work
with that. We need to open to it, not sort
of shove it down or over behave over compensate for it,
but really to invite it into our awareness. Most of
the time, ninety nine percent of the time, it's because
there's pain, there's hurt, there's suffering, and that part of
us needs to be integrated into the current self. And
no better time than the now. Let's bring it in now,
skillfully do that so that we don't have to be
hooked to the past and sort of strung out, you know,
and these exhausting kind of behaviors. So when we free
up an aspect of ourselves through a past life of
direction experience, we're bringing up a lot of other stuff
that's been constructed around holding that in place too. So
overall it's like man, just a great breath of fresh
air and relaxing the shoulders and getting back into the body.
So I had an example of that with working with
a client who knew that she was quite brilliant, knew
that she was quite effective in her business. She was
an entrepreneur and had done a highly successful development of
an organization, but she always felt this reluctance to speaker
truth well, or a hindrance to speaking her truth. She
made power through. But it was there opening scene, and
this is after she's quite she's a bit of a
skeptic opening. She has a spear impaled through her neck
on the cusp of dying, so last breaths, and she
has this thought that I died for my beliefs. And
it took that kind of crucible, that continuing sense of
you have to die for your beliefs. That well, it
was brave and courageous and outstanding personal development. I'm sure
at the time it carries on in life to say
speaking in your mind is dangerous. Nobody you know, you
can get put out for this. I'll get taken out.
So she was able to bring in that ask, but
we went right to it. You know, she just held
on to that part of herself that has been suffering
before being impaled, but suffering that lifetime and at that
moment of death, and putting that death moment into a
higher place of self appreciation and adoration and really coming
to peace with it, rather than Oh my god, that's horrible.
I wish I'd never that had never happened to me.
So Psyche had been pushing that away but still bringing
it their soul, continually bringing that up for healing, and
that's what she was able to do, and she was astounded.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting. It makes me think. It makes me
think of a modern day. I mean, I keep my
mouth shut on a lot of things, and I keep
my beliefs to myself except when it deals with the
paranormal or past lives or anything like that, because there's
so much and this is not a political show, but
it's just so much division. You don't know what somebody's
going to do to you if you speak your mind.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Oh, a lot of people I know, including myself, we
just keep it to ourselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know the offside to that kind of uh oh, injustice.
I think that so many of us are experiencing. Guys.
I think this is worthwhile speaking of this because globally,
at a conscious level, humanity's undergoing a radical evolution, and
we could study scientific from a scientific perspective, what change
looks like. In fact, I quote in my book Longing
pilgrimage to your quiet power within. I quote Thomas Kuhn,
who wrote a treatise back in nineteen sixty around the
shift around scientific thought. You know, physics two or a
thousand years ago, it doesn't look like physics today. Notes biology,
we have a different concept of these things. He found
that during these periods of a belief there's these kind
of central beliefs that we hold, there is a kind
of a cooking, a bubbling up that starts to happen
beneath the the sort of the conscious level. The conscious
level senses that and starts to push it down and
suppress and try to hold it in place until it
can no longer do though, and there's a sudden shift.
It just it explodes. He referred to that first kind
of homeostasis as the paradigm. He was the one that
coined that term, the paradigm of paradigm shift. So we're
holding onto this and then something is brewing beneath that
cannot be contained any longer by it, and boom, there's
this volcanic eruption. But what we know is geology teaches
us there's a ton of stuff going on in the
Earth's core that causes that explosion. It's happening now, and
you know, we can look at it from a way
of logic or political mindset, but there's a new spiritual
psychology that's emerging. It it is I call it that
are that those of us who refer to refer to
it as SBNR spiritual but not religious. In the research
is quite available to the Pew Research Foundation. The research
shows that there's a continuous and overflowing, meaning non reversible
trend to move to the spiritual but not religious realm
and away from dogmatic, controlled kind of thinking that is
inherent most of our formal religions. So there's a greater
self referencing. That's what's happening right now. And that kind
of consciousness is what's disturbing the current lower levels that
like to hold this right in place. But it will happen.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, there have been lots of studies showing
that attendance in churches in mainstream religion is drastically reducing
with yes, newer generation and even some of the older
generation like myself. I walked away from it many years
ago because of all the restrictions, and you know, I
did a lot of research I know how the Bible
was written and changed, and I've had so many of
my own personal spiritual experiences that show me the truth
at least lead me in the right direction. Yeah, so
I've heard this theory before. We're on a collision course,
so to speak, with a new evolution for humankind. It
feels like the old version of us is literally going
kicking and screaming into this new age, which makes me,
you know, sometimes a little concerned that we may not
get there, we may destroy ourselves before we even get
to that point.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm an optimist and I believe we'll get there,
and one needs to look at the other side say well,
what if we don't, what happens. One of the authorities,
early authorities in this that I referred to in longing
is Pierre de Chardin, the French philosopher writer. He was
a paleontologist, made some significant discoveries, but he wrote about
this evolutionary quest of the planet of the universe really
and he called it a striving to Omega that there
is this process that he called new genesis that's within
every cell of every living being that is striving for
its complete fulfillment. And Omega point is this complete convergence
of reunity, like us all coming together and putting our
differences aside, and there's no guarantee. He speaks of the
risk to this that we've all stepped into as members
of its universe to be part of this shift. And
so we do need advocate for one another. We need
to stand up and get politicals we need to. I'm
not saying everyone needs to get political, but I'm saying
to the person, what is political for you? What is
using your voice to influence what that is? And and
lean on others to help support us as well. So, yeah,
and to get too too far into the current.
Speaker 1: That's quite all right. You can't help thinking about it
when you're living through it. Yeah, So let's let's go
back into it with past lives again, dealing with when
you're dealing with clients. Have you had situations where you
have a client going into multiple past lives at once.
Speaker 2: You know, I'll tell you one that's quite unusual. Young
woman successful in her career, and she had she was
a therapist working with us, but it wasn't exactly what
she wanted to do. She sort of followed that by
a family sort of pressure or conditioning that this is
what we do. So she finds herself in this and
would like to make a change that's not too radically different,
but it's different enough to challenge her, and she's not
making the change so at the induction. Soon that, after
the induction of the past life regression session, she emerges
as a sea horse in the bottom of a clear
ocean somewhere, so you see her surrounding. She was moving around,
and she felt actually kind of embarrassed by it, the
ego part of hers like, maybe I shouldn't be having
this thought what is this, you know, questioning it, feeling uncomfortable.
But the more that she moved into it, her psyche,
what her soul was wanting her to know was that
you are a fluid, pure being. You choose from your heart,
you see from a different perspective from the depths, and
from that depth gain clarity. And so more than she
worked with that, then she evolved get this into a
bruising Viking, a fighter on a ship in like that
what the I guess it would have been the late
sixteen hundreds, and then emerge into this just really by
any any turns today, you know, this guy would be
a brute, but he also had courage, he had strength,
he had dominance, and She's so she could see both
of these aspects of herself in the same being and said,
the qualities of this just gentle flowing at p Seahorse
with his gigantic personality. It is quite a physical brute
who knew courage and loved at warfare. That was all
in her inaccessible in this lifetime. So then she's she
comes out of that session believing, Wow, I've I've got it.
I've got it, I got what I need. I'm not
gonna hear go be a marauder, but I know I
had that kind of strength, I've got that masculine ability
to assert myself. So that was that was unusual. And
like I said, her ego is like fighting it no growing,
not Seahorse, We're something else here. But yeah, she went
with it, and that's what came.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of Dolores Cannon's work where she
had written many books about the fact that people going
back and living not exactly lifetimes or as animals or
as plants or even rocks, to have all these different
experiences where you know, most people think of well, we're human,
we're human. We're human every single lifetime, and then you
get the ones who remember living on another world, and
so that throws some cogs in the wheel when you
start thinking things lineary linearly.
Speaker 2: Yes, the word.
Speaker 1: From human lifetimes to different experiences.
Speaker 2: Yes, Like you said that we could live on different
dimensions that are non human and in many cases have
a far advanced consciousness that we do now. And I
had an experience with that. A young man had had
recognized that he came in some five he was he
was invested in a prior life some five hundred years
ago that was not human, but came into this lifetime
to learn human emotions and to develop empathy and compassion
love of self and others. If you put it in
terms of the chakra systems, it was to move out
of sort of this, you know that, the knowing and
the seeing level, and moving down into heart where there's
compassion and empathy for self and others. And he was
quite successful at it. But that was also a realization
that there's other dimensions, there's other aspects.
Speaker 1: How do you think it affects us in modern times
compared to those versions of us that lived hundreds of
years ago or longer. That had no concept of reincarnation
or past lives, and yet you know, they may not
have understood why they felt certain ways. But here in
the modern day it's very popular and very much known,
not always accepted, but I mean it's the knowledge is there.
So these last couple of generations who are living with
understanding these experiences, does it affect us in any way
compared to past lives we've lived where we were just ignorant.
Let's just say we grew up in a very strict
religious back and this type of discussion we're having here
would never exist.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. The way to one lens to use to look
at is from a developmental perspective that those prior generations,
and we could go back really fifty years, one hundred
years ago as soon as that, and then prior not
too far back in our human history, that most of us,
most of the societies and individuals, were coming from a
place of reactivity. Something happened and they reacted to it.
So if a violent action happened, they reacted with violence.
A scarcity of food and water they reacted with acquiring
or hunting or gathering or whatever it might be, and
all of that survived or excuse me, contributed to our survival.
We needed that. It was a necessary part of us urging,
and we learn to organize around those principles. Hey, I'm
in charge, and what I say goes uh. Band of
whatever tribe, we need to go kill something and you know,
communicate that we're going to take it down, but I'm
going to be first to eat the red.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like a wolf pack mentality. So that still exists
in our consciousness, that kind of wolf pack mentality of
a single alpha and an alpha female male, females dominance
and then they breed accordingly. Well, that's still active in
our culture. It's active in us individual say active. It
is accessible to us individually. What happens beyond that is
more connection with emotion, having a deeper understanding of who
we are beyond mere survival. I feel love, I feel
some empathy, I feel some concern. So that's a higher
level of connection to be aware. So we've moved out
of reactivity to being able to respond, and now we're
become a choice. And once we continually access that choice,
we call it exercising our free will gift. When we
exercise that, then we can evolve ourselves but if we're
still down there believing that you might prevails. Uh was
it right makes or might makes right? I guess butchered
that statement. But anyway, the idea is to understand that
we are at choice and there are multiple options available
to us, and we can hold those perspectives simultaneously, like
I could be angry at someone and love them at
the same time I don't have to kill them. So
having those two points of tension is part of this
advanced consciousness that we're developing. Is we can see ourselves
as unified whole and yet see all the multiplicity of
different diference in our choices and our behaviors and our
uh physical characteristics, all of the ways that we identify
ourselves socially, all of those points can be accommodated in
the new kind of consciousness. And that's to evolve, and
say it begins with evolving, to say I have choices,
I don't just have to do this. And we saw
so much of that socially in the fifties around around
the women's movement and being articulated by Bill Asberg and
others in the sixties to say, hold on a second,
there's more than one way of being female in this
world and let's let's check that out. And Gloria Steinem
and others became very political about it and enroll women
in a whole different perspective. That's today. We couldn't recognize
that in the past. Fast forward, we wouldn't recognize women today.
Speaker 1: Those social norms that that that civil change in our
culture and society, and it's a growth it's a growth period.
I mean, we used to do things in our past
that we're very sketchy and keeping people forced into certain
constructs within not only our society in this country, but
in Western Europe and all over the world. And how
things have changed to again, we wouldn't recognize it fifty
to one hundred years ago.
Speaker 2: No, we wouldn't. And one of the things I referred
to in my book Longing is the passage that many
of us embark on to make those kinds of changes,
and I refer to them as sacred calamities. I referred
back to in my reading of Ralph waldol Emerson. He
spoke about calamities, these events and lines that just have
this sort of sudden impact or a dramatic impact, and
how we see the world and it can change the
way that we live, and most of them are uncomfortable.
We don't want to have these kind of experiences. And
I realized through my research into post traumatic growth theory
that there is an aspect of coming out of that
change that lends itself to the spiritual advancement that I
refer to in longing, and that is where the soul
is seeking to expand will choose experiences to ignite that expansion,
and some of it can be referring to past life imprints,
like we need to get rid of this, we need
to explode this thing, this isn't working for us, and
it can be more immediate current life things that we
learned in childhood. I submit that most of the stuff
we learned in childhood is the same stuff we learned
in the past lives. It's just represented in a different package.
So by having this encounter, this kind of dramatic encounter
or this calamity, it becomes sacred when we open to
our spiritual growth, to the bigger heart within us, that's
that's connected to the divine and we see ourselves and
we see that event as having served something far greater
than a catastrophe or a bad day. You know, and
I refer to interviews of five different people that courageously, openly,
generously shared their experiences that were quite dramatic, each in
its own ways that led them to a bigger sense
of self and understanding of humanity from a soulful perspective.
And they were, as I say, they were generous in
providing their stories, and and I examined their stories to
the perspective of growth of spirituality. I pre selected. Actually,
I knew these folks had some kind of experience and
I wanted to know more about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes me think again, how with past lives,
and let's say, just as an example, when we talked
about women and women's roles, and in most cultures had
those women's roles compared to men where women were kept
in a certain place. I mean, even some matriarchal societies,
you still had the men who were the hunter gatherers
and the strength, and the women were you know, not
only creating families, but you know, they worked a lot
behind the scenes in a lot of ways, especially in
matriarchal societies. And now, as you mentioned, by the fifties
and sixties and the women's movement, they've moved more into
a lot of taking on masculine attributes to develop and
change and in a lot of ways in modern society,
there's a lot of men who are developed feminine attributes.
They're not the alpha males that used to have. There's
been much larger segment of society that has gone that's softened,
and it doesn't go. I mean, there still are the
alpha males out there, absolutely, but there's a lot more,
or at least it's more recognized that there are people
who are more in touch with their feminine side than say,
the hardcore masculine.
Speaker 2: I agree, And you know, within each of us there
is whether we're born male or female, or we transition,
there's more within us those qualities of masculine and feminine.
Regardless they follow us, they are within us, and we
have them in varying degrees fortunately our societies and less
so as you and are underscoring here, less so being
imprinted in certain ways of behaving so that we avoid
if I'm if I'm a man, I'm going to avoid
the feminine by acting ultra masculine so that it keeps
it simpler. Right, I'm a man at men act like this,
and so that's a kind of binary perspective or the
non accommodating psyche that are psychology that adopts those kinds
of beliefs. So let's just keep it simple. But there's
far more complex and complexity to all of us. And
that's what's part of what's getting open and what we're
experiencing in our culture now is the willingness to embrace that,
not just admit it or allow it, but to embrace
it and value it. I, for one, am learning to
embrace the more and more my feminine in a way
that I goes beyond appreciating it. It's like act learning.
I give you a quick example. I did a stupid
thing in June. I jumped on my bike. I had
no time, but I was going to get a workout
in and I jump on a bike head around. I
lived next to a two hundred and sixty five acre lake.
There's a big track around it, and I jump on
there and I hit this small ledge of a bump
and went down hard. Turns out it broke five ribs
and concussed. And the first thing I said to myself
was I'm sorry. That was the first thing I uttered.
After the oomph. I said, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, and
I realized that the feminine part of me had been
so neglected by this sort of you know, let's go
kind of way of surviving and doing in the world.
That led to a lot of achievements and was part
of my early conditioning, but it's time really to let
that go. So it was like a make or break point.
And then a couple of nights later, I had the
message that came to me it's the impact, and I said, well,
no kidding, it's the impact that I can barely sleep,
you know that kind of thing. What I learned with
a more open mind was that the impact was the
impact it would have on me to open to much
more life giving aspects of who I am. Always knew
that intellectually and I strove for it and my way
of being, but this was like, buddy, you got to
get this, you got to open up to this. And
I believe that that's part of one of my purposes
in this lifetime that I've learned through these my past
life progression experiences, is I need to invite to embrace
that feminine energy within me that's very powerful.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you a quick story. There was a time
God I don't like to say how long ago it
was where I was meditating, and I during this meditation,
I had a vivid journey for whatever you want to
call it. I found myself at the Kashak records. And
when I entered it, it's like, you know what a
lot of people could imagine big, you know, granite, you
know punk columns and rose and rose and rose and rose,
a book stretching to eternity. But in this particular vision,
I instinctively knew that I could go look at my
past lives. And there was this little, tiny shelf compared
to everything else that was in there, and I understood
that I could pick two two scrolls. So I grabbed one,
and without opening it, I just understood it was a
past life as a Roman emperor. Now nobody famous or
anything came to mind. It was just somebody, a man
of power. So then I grabbed the next one, and
I saw myself as a lady in waiting back during
the Middle Ages, so it was a woman of servitude.
And the lesson that came to me out of that
was balance. You're experiencing both extremes, but there's still the
same person. There's still you and it's balancing out those
energies from those lifetimes, and I think that's definitely a
lesson for me in this lifetime, is balancing out masculine
and feminine energies, social status, energy, I mean, power, and servitude.
There's a lot to unpack in there, and I mean
that's all I can remember, but it stayed with me
for a very very long time, which kind of fits
perfectly in with the whole aspect of reincarnation and experiences.
You experience one aspect of a life and then you
experience another aspect. Sometimes there are the opposites, and again,
I won't get into karma. It's just that it's a
learning path. It's learning all of these experiences.
Speaker 2: I love how you recognize the qualities that those two
lives were presenting, that you have those, that you have
access to those, and then from there, did you consciously
choose to develop them further and integrate them.
Speaker 1: Yes, it took a while, took a number of years,
but slowly I was in a greeting all that into
my life and just living with the idea that you
focus on the whole and all of your experiences. I
could look back at my life now and I can
look at, let's say, every bad thing that's ever happened
to me, every stupid decision I've made, or bad situations
I was in, and you know what, I can honestly
look back at every single one of them, even though
I might cringe and I realized I would not be
the person I am now if I did not experience that.
Speaker 2: In a good way.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it's maybe a better person, but it's all
learning experiences.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah. I once offer two observations around this. First
is you led yourself into a past life regression experience
via your dream.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: This all occurred in a dream state or when meditation.
It was a meditative state meditation, so you were a
deeper state of well we collectively are broadly speaking, could
call a trance. You brought yourself into a trance state,
and you went with what emerged, and you came to
these two volumes of past lives that held information that
was relevant to you to today, and then you could
then be a further choice about how you would work
with that information in those dimensions of yourself. That's a
past life regression session. You did it, and we can
do those sometimes in our dreams. They just happened, But
we can walk ourselves into those experiences, just as you
expertly did. Then, the other thing I want to say
about that is that you were showing this information and
you decided, so you exercise your choice to integrate those
And that's the advantage of a past life progression session
is that we move into that with the intention to reveal,
to heal, and to live out those changes in those commitments,
to change by our choices. And then you referred to
there was a you know, I was referring to this
sort of shock experience I have with a bicycle sometimes
that those kinds of things, those immediate shocks also bring
us back to something that we've historically done, or the
sacred calamities bring into view. Oh my gosh, this has
been around for eons. Now is the time to work
with this and to free it. Either way, it's bringing
us to a point of choice, and that's what makes
the difference in our conscious evolution. And more and more
we can be a choice, and more and more we
can accommodate variations and differences and live with that sense
of ambiguity yet be a an exercise choice. That's a
sign of evolution.
Speaker 1: It's almost overwhelming sometimes to think about, but it all
makes sense to me, and I'm It's what I'm most
excited about as I continue on this journey through life
is having these experiences, having these epiphanies. I'm learning more
every single day. That's why I love doing this show,
talking to people like yourself who have had some definite experiences,
and I learned from those experiences that you've had. They
affect me so and hopefully my little stories can do
the same for you.
Speaker 2: Well, I certainly have, and they will as they unfold
in my own recall. I'll remember this, yeah, and then
I'll see the I'll see the show again later.
Speaker 1: So well, we are coming up towards the end here.
Now your book, Longing a Pilgrimage to your Quiet Power within?
Am I correct? It's not yet.
Speaker 2: Published, not yet published, will be. It's in the queue
to come out June second in the US. It has
a May release state in the UK. The publisher is
Collective Inc. At the distributor Simon and Schuster, owner of
Collective Inc. And I'm looking forward to sharing it with others.
It's been quite a journey writing it. I've loved writing it,
though at times it's been difficult, confusing, and challenging. I
have loved the growth experience and that's what I wanted
to instill in the book. I didn't want to do
a whole lot of telling. I wanted to do a
leading into self guided experiences, and that's what the book
is about. Longing will be available, as I said June second.
It's currently available for pre order through Amazon, Barnes, and Noble.
Simon and Schuster's great place to look for their outlets,
and I'm looking forward to it and having more conversations
about it. Thank you for this one.
Speaker 1: Sure do you have a website or anything that I do?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, and I'd be happy to follow up with
any questions that any of your listeners might have around
our conversation today or simply want to know more about
the work that I do. My website is livelifesoul dot
com and my email address and welcome emails is Chris
Chris Chris at livelithethsoul dot com. I'll also be getting
much more presence at Facebook. I'm currently at LinkedIn and
be much more active at Instagram, so more to come.
I'm also available if someone wants to test my work
and enjoy some of my guided meditations and coursework at
Insight Timer. So you just look for me at Chris
Sanson and you'll find some three different guided meditations and
the course on declaring your Ordinary your Extraordinary Purpose.
Speaker 1: Fantastic. Well, Chris, I can't thank you enough for coming
on the show. This has been insanely educational and enlightening,
and we'll have to have you back again because I'm
sure there's a lot more we could talk about.
Speaker 2: I would love to for those reasons and for our exploration.
This has been wonderful. Thank you, Melissa.
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you well. That was a great conversation with
Christopher Sensome and look forward to his book coming out
in June. But I always love these conversations dealing with
past lives, different aspects of who we might have been
at some point, who we are continuing to be now. Definitely,
it's a conversation I will continue to have as this
show moves on and as I move on. So thank
you all for tuning in to another edition of trans
Dimensional Realities here on the Paranormal UK Radio Network and
on my YouTube channel, Melissaly. So thank you everybody for
tuning in and we'll catch you next week, see it