WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:04.200 Baby, are my game statue. It takes a little tangle. 2 00:00:04.759 --> 00:00:07.759 You don't want mess with me, Mess with me baby, 3 00:00:08.160 --> 00:00:24.280 my gangster to pouch Baby, You're a game Statooar. 4 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:27.440 This podcast is designed to take you outside of your 5 00:00:27.440 --> 00:00:31.239 comfort zone and make you question reality. Listener discretion is 6 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:44.320 a vibe. 7 00:00:39.119 --> 00:00:43.920 Fellas, this ain't my first time at the rodeo. 8 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:55.600 How doy, folks, you're s double J back here coming 9 00:00:55.640 --> 00:00:59.359 at you live slash live from my. 10 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:01.759 Studio slash RV. 11 00:01:01.719 --> 00:01:08.400 Dining room located directly inside America. Welcome back, folks of 12 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:13.560 the innwebs, once again your host of Operation GCD J 13 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:19.480 J Vance here and perhaps more notably not the vice 14 00:01:19.519 --> 00:01:24.319 president anyhow, Welcome back, folks with the innerwebs. Thanks again 15 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:26.480 for joining me here tonight to get a little GCD. 16 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:30.920 We'll be your pilot and navigator for tonight's Shenanigan infused 17 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:36.079 journey into the mind of this particular garbage can dude, 18 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:38.480 And I'm not gonna lie to you, folks of the interwebs. 19 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:41.840 Got a real barnburner here on deck free all tonight 20 00:01:43.040 --> 00:01:45.640 and a cult and or s O Teret review of 21 00:01:45.719 --> 00:01:52.599 the twenty fourteen cinematic masterpiece Inherent Wece based upon the 22 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:59.280 Thomas Pinchot novel Novell novel Novell novel both an interesting characters, 23 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:02.959 Pinchon and the man who directed the film, Paul Thomas Anderson. 24 00:02:03.560 --> 00:02:06.200 And in regards to tonight's discussion, probably a lot of 25 00:02:06.200 --> 00:02:09.520 occult n ESO terrorism around both of those characters, just 26 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:11.479 looking at you know, a review of their past and 27 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:15.759 whatnot and their other projects. So, without any further ado, 28 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:18.120 folks of interwebs, I thank you all again for joining 29 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:20.599 me here tonight to get Little GCD. We'll welcome in 30 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:24.120 or here our guests. We got Austin Waite Picard, Welcome 31 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:26.000 back to Operation GCD. 32 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:27.520 Sir, what's up? 33 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:27.800 Brother? 34 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:30.639 Thanks for having me man, You already know how much 35 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:33.039 I appreciate you do it. Every time we talk, I 36 00:02:33.159 --> 00:02:37.599 learn a lot. So I'm eager to hear just you know, 37 00:02:37.719 --> 00:02:40.400 pick the brain of not only you, but also the 38 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:45.400 other two guests, because I'm certainly excited just to definitely 39 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:51.080 workshop ideas in terms of the various just one layered 40 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:54.599 applications to so many of the different real you know, 41 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:59.159 live scandalous events throughout history, especially more recently in modern history. 42 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:04.080 But the era that inherent vice covers, I think is 43 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:07.080 very important. So I'm eager to kind of discuss some 44 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:10.159 of that, right, I think your spot onsor and I 45 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:11.199 learned a lot from you as well. 46 00:03:11.240 --> 00:03:13.680 In fact, I was catching your already Dead show last 47 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:15.800 night and I like where your brain holes that in 48 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:17.879 regard as the mc martin school, where you know, all 49 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:19.919 the evidence suggests that school was put on top of 50 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:21.360 an existing tunnel operation. 51 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:24.639 The tunnels were first then the school, right exactly. 52 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:27.400 Yeah, it was like an old money scion family too 53 00:03:27.439 --> 00:03:31.319 that was involved, uh with that had intelligence connections in 54 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:32.560 their background as well. 55 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:36.840 Big time, dude, big time. It's crazy to me. You know, 56 00:03:36.919 --> 00:03:40.680 it's never ending. Thanks again for joining me here tonight, Austin. 57 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:42.560 Way for card to get a little GCD. You're the 58 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:46.000 host of the Underclass podcast Already Dead. You do another 59 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:48.599 one with saying Tripoli that I've yet to follow up 60 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:50.719 on a catch but you're you're busy, man. Did you 61 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:52.319 have any other plugs you'd like to you like to 62 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:53.159 share with the folks with. 63 00:03:53.159 --> 00:03:57.560 Earwhebs man that that basically covers it all, honestly, just 64 00:03:57.680 --> 00:04:00.439 check out the Underclass podcast and uh and yeah, you 65 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:03.240 enjoy anything you hear or anything I've ever done resonates 66 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:06.159 with you. Best place to support me is always the patron. 67 00:04:07.639 --> 00:04:09.520 Yes, sir, and I got your links in the show 68 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:12.000 notes all ready for folks to check out. And our 69 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:14.919 other guest here tonight, the Cosmic Peach is Julie the 70 00:04:14.919 --> 00:04:18.399 Cosmic Peach and not Bill Colby, the host of Conspiracy Playtime, 71 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:21.519 and welcome back to Operation g You sir, and welcome 72 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:24.879 back to Operation GCD for your first time, ma'am. 73 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:27.600 I'm actually known as the Cosmic Pair for some reason. 74 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:31.759 You all are starting your own little cosmic fruit guards. 75 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:34.879 I have a little pair of shaped gotcha. 76 00:04:36.279 --> 00:04:38.040 Thanks for having us. 77 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:40.040 Absolutely, thank you all for joining us here tonight for 78 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:43.240 this film review. I know we've briefly mentioned in the past. 79 00:04:43.240 --> 00:04:45.079 I know Austin had mentioned to me before this is 80 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:48.000 one of his favorite films, and so did not Bill Colby, 81 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:50.160 And I know Julia you had mentioned that you were 82 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:52.000 a big fan of this film as well, and you 83 00:04:52.040 --> 00:04:55.360 know I deeply it's one of my favorite films. In fact, 84 00:04:55.720 --> 00:04:57.319 it's one of the last films I've seen in the 85 00:04:57.319 --> 00:05:00.279 theaters where I was didn't really feel disappointed. Right, there's 86 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:02.199 a lot of since twenty fourteen. There's a lot of 87 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:05.920 disappointments from Hollywood, but this was a good story, solid, 88 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:09.199 you know, great directing, you know, great story to base 89 00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:12.079 it off of, et cetera, because there is variations between 90 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:14.680 the screenplay and the book. But you know, I really 91 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:18.639 personally though, I connect to this level or this film 92 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:20.560 and like a you in the book for that matter, 93 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:23.279 and more of a molecular level. I joke because it's 94 00:05:23.319 --> 00:05:25.920 a private investigator who loves the smoke pot and solved mysteries, 95 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:27.040 and that's kind of a lot. 96 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:32.879 So that's man, that is too funny, honestly. 97 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:36.600 But I do agree with your statement before they're awesome. 98 00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:39.000 I made that this period of time covered in the 99 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:41.519 storyline here Tonight's film is a very integral time in 100 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:44.120 America's America's history is a turning point of you will 101 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:48.720 to our modern day society agreed, the late sixties, early 102 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:54.279 seventies one hundred percent. I think that really the entire 103 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:58.839 situation behind the plot, as far as the layered conspiracy 104 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:03.120 involved with the plot itself all throughout in terms of 105 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:06.639 the Golden Fang enterprise, It's very interesting how you see 106 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:12.680 this yeah overarching enterprise, the criminal enterprise playing out in 107 00:06:13.399 --> 00:06:17.879 more ways than one, which perfectly represents how these insane 108 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:21.920 underground networks that are so well established at such a 109 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:26.480 sophisticated level. I think it was really post World War Two, right, 110 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:30.120 the Gladio Stay Behind networks and the rat lines that 111 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:34.160 were effectively, you know, kind of implemented, and you had, 112 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:37.240 of course paper Clip. But I think that the trauma 113 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:40.480 based mind control followed in a certain way, but as 114 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:44.360 far as being prioritized. But still it's not as if 115 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:47.360 it wasn't already a priority. But I think it was 116 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:50.000 just sort of the sinister nature of what it became. 117 00:06:50.439 --> 00:06:55.480 But still every level within this plot, it essentially is 118 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:59.720 just drug trafficking, you know, arms smuggling at a certain degree, 119 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:05.319 there's there's the pharmaceutical nature of running this cult sort 120 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:10.600 of running and right, and then we got colts, we 121 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:13.360 got mind control, we got the rehab centers. I mean, 122 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:16.040 what you're describing is what you're what you're describing is 123 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:19.279 the operation Gladio Stay Behind, drug trafficking, Uh, you know, 124 00:07:19.720 --> 00:07:20.319 murder inc. 125 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:22.959 You know, enterprises. I think he's on it. It's all 126 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:23.600 covered in here. 127 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:26.800 It's all focuses around the Manson story and it's taking 128 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:29.319 place at the time of the Manson trials. That's the 129 00:07:29.360 --> 00:07:31.680 storyline is going on. And they reference the Manson stuff 130 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:34.959 throughout here, and there's so much Manson lore and whatnot 131 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:37.519 embedded throughout this film because I've been a big I've 132 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:40.040 been on the Manson trail for about fifteen years now, 133 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:42.560 long before I found out Old Charlie and I were 134 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:45.680 both you know, we were ken folks from Pikeville, Kentucky, 135 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:47.879 you know, McCoy's and Mainards that is. 136 00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:50.800 But what we're describing is what I like to call 137 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:52.000 Colby's queers. 138 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:56.879 Not not this Colby, Bill Colby and his stay behind network, 139 00:07:56.920 --> 00:07:59.279 and not a commentary on their sexual preferences, but the 140 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:03.959 strange and almallest nature that these psychological operations and military 141 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:07.399 operations have left in our society, with you know, the 142 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:11.560 you know, the confluence of these events with the mafia, military, spooks, 143 00:08:11.800 --> 00:08:12.560 drug trafficking. 144 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:15.160 We see it all here in the Colts. So it 145 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:16.959 is a very interesting story in the Guard. 146 00:08:17.439 --> 00:08:20.120 Yeah, the Arian Brotherhood, you have the like, oh yeah. 147 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:21.959 Yeah, dude, I forgot about that. Yep, yep. 148 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:24.920 Yet not only were they running security, but they're helping 149 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:29.480 with you know, really every level of the operation, you know, 150 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:33.519 targeted assassinations were being you know conducted. Basically one of 151 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:36.440 them was a Cohen intel pro operative that was essentially 152 00:08:36.519 --> 00:08:41.200 being hired by the FEDS to commit targeted assassinations in 153 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:44.759 political executions. I mean, it's crazy to me. But also 154 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:47.840 you brought up Charles Manson how much is layered in 155 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:51.440 throughout this the same thing with with of course, like 156 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:54.600 what I thought of was the role of the Brotherhood 157 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:57.799 of Eternal Love, the biker gang involved at the Ultimat 158 00:08:57.919 --> 00:09:02.840 festival and how they essentially were there providing was it 159 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:05.480 Ronald Stark or something was his name that that was 160 00:09:06.200 --> 00:09:11.360 basically claimed that he he said that he was essentially 161 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:14.240 he provided pace slips from Langley, that he was he 162 00:09:14.399 --> 00:09:18.840 was smuggling all of this LSD and this Orange Sunshine 163 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:24.559 acid on behalf of the actual CIA right all throughout 164 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:28.120 the sixties is what he was claiming. But anyway, just 165 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:33.799 completely to me that being introduced to the general population 166 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:38.480 as far as like orange Sunshine acid, like having these 167 00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:43.120 very unique and you know, just unique qualities in terms 168 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:46.639 of the chemical compound itself and then being distributed by 169 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:50.440 what the authorities were referring to as the hippie mafia, right, 170 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:54.559 which was it was. It's just it is all layered 171 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:57.679 throughout this plot in a way that I think the 172 00:09:57.720 --> 00:10:02.840 average person sort of misses, especially on like first viewing, 173 00:10:03.159 --> 00:10:04.960 you know what I mean, They're not big. 174 00:10:06.399 --> 00:10:08.120 I've talked a lot of folks that are familiar with 175 00:10:08.200 --> 00:10:11.320 these narratives and conspiracy culture we're describing. You've seen this film, 176 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:12.639 and they don't pick up a lot. And I'm not 177 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:15.240 diminishing their few points, but it is it is deeply 178 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:18.000 embedded in this film and even myself, I've watched it 179 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:21.080 literally one hundred plus times, you know, and I continue 180 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:22.720 to pick up on little parts and pieces here and 181 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:25.720 there because my my knowledge of these subjects also evolved. 182 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:26.080 So I did. 183 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:27.919 I did a review of this in the Cult and 184 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:31.200 Orreesso Terror review my first one film review, I think 185 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:34.200 with Recluse at the Forum on this film. He's a 186 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:37.080 big fan of it as well. Did that about two 187 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:39.720 and a half years ago. So I've evolved with a 188 00:10:39.759 --> 00:10:41.919 lot of my viewpoints on these subject matters even in 189 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:43.840 that time. So you know, I think it is important 190 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:46.080 to note that even seeing it once, like you're saying, 191 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:48.240 and watching it over again, you know, with a new 192 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:51.279 lenser perspective. I think it is. It's interesting what you 193 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:53.360 pick up on this film. It is that layered and deep. 194 00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:57.120 But before we go any further here tonight's festivities and 195 00:10:57.240 --> 00:11:00.320 film reviews, do you all have anything you working on 196 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:02.600 over their conspiracy play time or causing Peach, I know 197 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:06.240 y'all are oftentimes just as busy there as mister Austin 198 00:11:06.279 --> 00:11:10.240 wait Percard as far as show. 199 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:12.720 Talking content over your introduction, guys, I didn't mean to 200 00:11:12.759 --> 00:11:16.720 do that. 201 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:17.799 You're good. 202 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:21.240 That's the way it goes. Introductions can go all over 203 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:22.759 the place, right. 204 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:32.159 We actually are kind of working on something together right now, Combo, Yeah, 205 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:33.240 Peach and Pair. 206 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:38.679 It's a three part series. Do you want to talk 207 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:40.840 about it because I talked about it last time. 208 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:41.320 Yeah. 209 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:46.159 It's just focused on mental illness and the history of 210 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:51.240 different perspectives on it culturally throughout time, and then of 211 00:11:51.279 --> 00:11:56.919 course tying in all the MK culture stuff pharmaceuticals, and 212 00:11:56.960 --> 00:11:59.039 then I think in the third episode we'll talk about 213 00:11:59.080 --> 00:12:04.279 the pop culture element. You know, one Flee over the 214 00:12:04.279 --> 00:12:07.000 Cuckoo's Nest, all of it American horror story. 215 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:11.720 Yeah, I'm excited about that one. But I'm probably gonna 216 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:14.039 be taking a couple of weeks off here soon, so 217 00:12:14.080 --> 00:12:18.120 we decided to do one last little uh series together, 218 00:12:19.320 --> 00:12:20.480 kick off maternity. 219 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:22.879 Yeah, she says, take a couple of weeks off. I'm 220 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:24.000 kind of laughing about that. 221 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:27.639 What you don't think I can? 222 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:29.799 Oh, I think we're gonna take more off. 223 00:12:29.840 --> 00:12:32.960 Oh I was gonna say that. I at least need 224 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:33.879 a couple of weeks. 225 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:38.720 Yeah, over conspiracy playtime. I've got so many episodes backlogged 226 00:12:38.840 --> 00:12:41.679 that it's hard to keep up with. But yeah, trying 227 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:45.919 to be consistent with it got real political lately with 228 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:49.480 all the you know, technocracy stuff. But hopefully I'm gonna 229 00:12:49.480 --> 00:12:53.600 swing it back to the funner topics. 230 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:56.240 I yeah like that, like Murder and Colts, like we 231 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:58.320 did on that, It's win raised cold. That was a 232 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:00.440 real born burner. I appreciate your own loaded me on 233 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:01.120 that conversation. 234 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:05.480 Yeah, have you released that yet? I'm just curious because 235 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:07.159 I somebody did you did? 236 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:11.519 I think yeah, right around the same time Julie did there. Yeah, 237 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:14.200 I'm a lot of rave reviews. 238 00:13:14.639 --> 00:13:16.960 Oh good. Yeah, that was a fun episode, especially since 239 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:20.120 it's a cult local to us that it was operating. 240 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:22.879 I'm sure, some people I know were doing d MT 241 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:27.480 with those folks up in the mountains, and yeah. 242 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:33.879 Well for sure I had time. Spread Oh go ahead, Julia, 243 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:34.759 I followed this good. 244 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:35.879 Oh, no, you're fine. 245 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:37.279 I was just gonna say I had a good time 246 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:40.159 doing the Twins review too. So I always like to 247 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:43.600 jump on for movies. I think it's fun, and this 248 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:46.519 one actually was one that Colby was like, oh, you 249 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:48.320 have to watch it, and I was like, it looks 250 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:52.759 super lame. I don't watch it, and then you know, 251 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:55.240 I at the end of it, I was just kind 252 00:13:55.240 --> 00:13:57.399 of like, what the fuck did I just watch? Because 253 00:13:57.440 --> 00:14:02.799 it's told from like walking perspective, I guess, and so. 254 00:14:04.759 --> 00:14:07.600 I was like, I don't know what I just saw, 255 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:08.440 Like what what? 256 00:14:08.879 --> 00:14:11.200 And then he explained it to me, and then I 257 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:14.720 watched it again, and then I was in the middle 258 00:14:14.720 --> 00:14:17.200 of watching it right before we jumped on. And there's 259 00:14:17.240 --> 00:14:20.039 so many like little hidden things. You can't just watch 260 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:24.600 it one time. You have to watch it a couple times. 261 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:28.200 The first time I watched it, it felt disjointed and 262 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:30.159 it felt like, what is. 263 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:34.240 This a dream he's having? You know? 264 00:14:34.360 --> 00:14:35.159 I felt the same way. 265 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:37.240 And I've heard that common review because you get that, 266 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:39.039 you know, you have that in the book. You have 267 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:40.919 a narrator and you have a friend, and then they 268 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:43.519 mashed a narrator and the friend together. So sometimes you 269 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:46.879 see her. Sometimes she's real and sometimes she's not. But 270 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:49.039 it also plays, I think, into that trippy nature of 271 00:14:49.039 --> 00:14:50.360 the entire film in that respect. 272 00:14:51.279 --> 00:14:53.600 Yeah, yeah, no, this was a really cool one. I'm 273 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:56.120 glad you picked this one. Kolbe will be able to 274 00:14:56.759 --> 00:14:59.559 offer up more than even I can, but it was 275 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:00.559 a movie. 276 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:02.039 I'm excited to do this. 277 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:03.759 If I may just offer a couple of quick plugs 278 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:06.720 here for Operation GCD. I got coming up some uh 279 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:08.480 some other barn burners here this week. 280 00:15:08.519 --> 00:15:11.279 Somewhere I got them. Maybe not. Oh there it is. 281 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:14.919 Got Anatomy as Satantic Panic Tomorrow night, nine point fifteen 282 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:18.120 pm Eastern Sander Times. Going over that Phase three portion 283 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:21.320 of the propaganda unpacking, sort of the framework there with 284 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:24.919 the Landing report, how Oprah Winfrey gets involved and so 285 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:27.480 on and so forth, building upon our sie ops to 286 00:15:27.559 --> 00:15:31.120 mine more patterned of behavior and operations there from holding 287 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:32.600 up at mikey Akino and Gang. 288 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:34.480 I like to make it. I like to make him 289 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:36.600 a little bit more gory each each week. 290 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:38.159 You know, he's got a litle bit more teeth going on, 291 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:40.559 the more blood popping off on his uniform, you know 292 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:43.360 what I mean, deserves it for sure. 293 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:46.480 He needs more eyebrow. 294 00:15:47.360 --> 00:15:50.360 Yeah, well, well I didn't want to spoiler alert sir, 295 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:52.480 but we're gonna do the eyebrows. And when I run 296 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:54.639 out of more blood, I'm gonna start making the eyebrows 297 00:15:54.679 --> 00:16:00.320 beef here and then Operation GCD Sundays, I got the 298 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:06.200 Zizzians invade Vermont. Somebody trans Apocalypse, Silicon Valley based AI 299 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:10.879 focused rationalist vegan homicidal death cult. They're still out in 300 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:14.440 about no worries. In fact, literally literally the Process church 301 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:17.399 that their attorney to get helped the leader of that 302 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:19.559 cult fake his death before they went on their murder 303 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:23.200 spree is literally part of the Neoork Process and bandmates 304 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:26.720 with Boyd Rice, major figure in the Neo Process. Church 305 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:31.240 of Satan ard Nazi Satan is Nazi type Tracy Twyman's 306 00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:35.000 old mentor. Right, every time I mentioned that, folks, you 307 00:16:35.120 --> 00:16:36.919 seem to think I'm talking trust, I'm just sick calls 308 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:37.919 them house the season. 309 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:38.480 Sat in the facts. 310 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:41.559 But yeah, what are your thoughts on Tracy Twinement, because 311 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:44.840 I just said, yeah, a lot of thoughts. 312 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:45.240 On that too. 313 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:49.639 Okay, we'll talk about that time. Yeah, well, yeah, happy 314 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:50.039 to share them. 315 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:51.600 I shared a lot of them when I was unpacking 316 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:54.399 some of the ideas around this, the uh, the framework 317 00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:57.360 of the Satanic panic propaganda. There was a real Satanic 318 00:16:57.399 --> 00:17:02.480 panic in the media, right, organized, well organized, well financed, 319 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:05.720 in order to you know, deter folks from trust in 320 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:08.559 their own census, you know, up with mikey Akina was 321 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:11.119 a Star Wars fan fiction writer, so I often describe 322 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:13.200 it as he's doing like a Jedi mind trick on folks. 323 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:16.960 These are not the Satanis you're looking for, right. 324 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:20.359 Yeah, I mean that's that's one hundred percent what they 325 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:23.400 did and what what it. It was hilarious because I 326 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:26.160 remember covering it around the time that I did the 327 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:29.839 Finders episode, which really plunged me into the sort of 328 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:34.160 more state sponsored child sex trafficking networks that are legitimately uh, 329 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:38.039 you know, credible, and you can you can go through 330 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:41.119 the documents and legitimately see the evidence that was you know, 331 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:45.279 presented by the United States Customs Agent Ramond J. Martinez, 332 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:49.119 and and uh, it becomes undeniable, and it also becomes 333 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:52.759 very evident why they sort of derailed his career path 334 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:58.799 and and because he remained at least grounded within fundamental 335 00:17:58.960 --> 00:18:02.720 basic principles and ethics in terms of abusing children, right 336 00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:07.119 and refusing to remain silent, but then also realizing that 337 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:10.720 maybe his own well being was at stake, so potentially 338 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:14.920 he should just like remain silent in terms of media appearances. 339 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:18.400 But either way, it's fascinating to see how they used 340 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:22.240 the Satanic panic, which to me is just another manufactured, 341 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:25.000 you know, misconception, right. 342 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:28.119 Oh for sure, Now your spot onster, you are spot on, 343 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:31.240 and i'll if I may at a response to your 344 00:18:31.279 --> 00:18:34.400 statement and provide your response at Tracy Twyman Common as. 345 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:34.680 Well, sir. 346 00:18:35.519 --> 00:18:38.799 Also Real Quick Fridays at nine to fifteen pm Eastern 347 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:42.640 Saint Times here with my weekly roundtable on conspiracy culture 348 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:46.200 and high weirdness with Tim, host of a sixth century podcast. 349 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:48.759 So that'll be a real barn burner as well. 350 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:52.200 But now you're spot on there Austin, so QAnon and 351 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:54.839 Pizzagate respond off as the next the next version of 352 00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:59.160 this Satanic panic and literally orchestrated by Paul Valet you know, 353 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:01.200 which is a keynote boss who wrote the SIPs of 354 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:03.640 Mind where General Vallet's on Fox News pushing a lot 355 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:07.240 of these kind across the media and his shit old 356 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:10.920 General Flynn there and in regards to so that's intriguing. 357 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:13.680 And then of course you see Tracy Twyman on the 358 00:19:13.720 --> 00:19:15.240 front end of that. She's on the tip of the 359 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:17.440 spear with pushing that stuff. She even seems to have 360 00:19:17.440 --> 00:19:20.720 started her own little Q and on operation called in 361 00:19:20.839 --> 00:19:22.960 and On or something like that. I did a show 362 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:25.279 in a couple weeks ago on my Thursdays. I included it. 363 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:28.400 But she so this is this is kind of my 364 00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:31.319 broad perspective on her. So she she parts ways officially 365 00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:35.240 allegedly with Boyd Rice and the Devout Satan's Nazzi Fella, 366 00:19:35.839 --> 00:19:38.880 the guy who invented industrial rock, another one of his proteges, 367 00:19:39.039 --> 00:19:42.799 you know, along with Genesis Peorich and almost exclusively processed 368 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:45.519 Church movement, none of you know, between him and Peorch 369 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:50.079 and then their underlinger, their protege Trent Reznor and Marilyn 370 00:19:50.119 --> 00:19:52.519 Manson there would record their first albums in the Tate 371 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:55.880 Polanski death House in the studio in the angeleand Pig Studio, 372 00:19:55.960 --> 00:19:57.880 so that it's a little too on the nose for it, right, 373 00:19:58.359 --> 00:20:00.400 But she parts way as a fish to the Boyd 374 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:03.680 Rice in December of twenty or two thousand and four. 375 00:20:04.039 --> 00:20:07.400 So in January of two thousand and two, Tracy Twin 376 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:11.880 publishes an article about sexual Satanic ritual abuse in Hustler 377 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:17.240 magazine where she's naming, literally naming Larry Flint in that 378 00:20:17.319 --> 00:20:20.599 piece has been president. And I'm not saying it's not true, 379 00:20:20.599 --> 00:20:22.920 but what I'm saying is the idea you're publishing that 380 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:25.039 in Larry French's publication is a little silly. 381 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:26.559 So that's two. 382 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:29.640 Thousand and two. She breaks no mentions of the current 383 00:20:29.680 --> 00:20:32.000 this is all old shit, no mentions of the current shit, 384 00:20:32.079 --> 00:20:34.799 despite her being really good friends with the major player 385 00:20:34.839 --> 00:20:37.440 in the neo process in Church of Satan, Boyd Rice, 386 00:20:38.119 --> 00:20:41.640 her co author and mentor, so they part ways two 387 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:43.200 thousand and four. Well, in two thousand and eight she 388 00:20:43.240 --> 00:20:46.240 publishes that a longer version of that article from the 389 00:20:46.319 --> 00:20:48.200 Hustler magazine, and a book in two thousand and eight 390 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:51.799 about mind control. Still no mention of Boyd Rice or 391 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:54.839 any of these other new Satanists or process folks, and 392 00:20:54.920 --> 00:20:56.920 she hasn't really changed her mind on anything. And then 393 00:20:56.960 --> 00:21:00.960 after that she's booking neo processment folks like Al Jorgensen 394 00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:04.960 on Clyde Lewis the show, right, and Clyde Lewis, again, 395 00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:07.400 this is something he told me. He didn't say neo process. 396 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:10.640 He just said she booked Al Jorgenson. So, well that's 397 00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:15.359 a major neo process figure and he he, you know, 398 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:17.720 he well again I can go full process. I won't 399 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:19.920 do that, but say what I'm saying there is then 400 00:21:19.960 --> 00:21:24.240 she starts writing books about Baphomet. No mention of Doug, 401 00:21:24.799 --> 00:21:27.160 you know, Lucy and Greaves. In twenty twelve, he starts 402 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:29.680 doing his national tour with the Satanic Temple. He runs 403 00:21:29.720 --> 00:21:32.359 the process dot org website. He attacks Satanic ritual abuse 404 00:21:32.440 --> 00:21:36.079 victims through the false memory syndrome. Spychiatrist. Right, it's all 405 00:21:36.079 --> 00:21:38.640 the same network, you know, scumbags in my opinion. But 406 00:21:38.920 --> 00:21:41.079 and I'm not speaking them that. I'm just saying folks 407 00:21:41.079 --> 00:21:44.279 like Lucy and Greeds and whatnot there but the propaganda's play, 408 00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:46.319 you know, in the control of opposition. They seem to 409 00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:49.359 have a purpose for somebody like like Tracy who's writing 410 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:52.720 books about Baha Met and not mentioning Doug the Satanic 411 00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:55.000 temple Bafomet and you know, loos and greaves and all 412 00:21:55.039 --> 00:21:56.799 that stuff. And I'm like, well, and now I asked 413 00:21:56.839 --> 00:21:58.920 her that question. These are things I brought up to her. 414 00:21:59.200 --> 00:22:01.920 I'm being you know, candid here. I probably to her 415 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:05.680 when our discussions and our communications minding her so, you know, 416 00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:08.119 like because she was attacking the Templar and Santael's baft mists, 417 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:10.319 I'm like, what about these guys? And then I look 418 00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:13.119 more to that there Rynan process dot Org. He's a 419 00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:16.960 he's a false memory guy from Harvard spychiatrist. I mean, 420 00:22:17.039 --> 00:22:19.240 and like, you're not writing about their baffro mat stuff 421 00:22:19.839 --> 00:22:22.119 right right, and you're telling me all this templars. I 422 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:25.000 was just literally reciting the Vaticans playbook. 423 00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:25.200 Again. 424 00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:26.920 I don't want to get too far down that rabbit hole, 425 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:28.880 but that is kind of my thoughts on these matters. 426 00:22:28.920 --> 00:22:30.200 When we look at a lot of these things in 427 00:22:30.200 --> 00:22:33.960 conspiracy culture, Manson included. He's a major figure as far 428 00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:37.440 as venerated amongst amongst the Nazi Satanist crowd, like Boyd Rice, 429 00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:41.359 who did the Manson Chronicles with Nicholas Shrek. So you know, 430 00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:43.839 these are these are things that when there's a subculture 431 00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:46.920 today that still venerates a lot of these principles that 432 00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:49.880 we see here within that that movement, and going back 433 00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:52.559 to those film, you know that Manson. You can't separate 434 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:55.240 Manson in the process. Folks try to like Tom O'Neil, but. 435 00:22:56.759 --> 00:22:58.640 They're not. They're not being honest, you know what I mean. 436 00:22:59.240 --> 00:23:03.039 Yeah, No, they're absolutely not. And there's I mean to me, 437 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:06.720 it seems as if they were using the same alias, right, 438 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:10.599 isn't that what what Charles Manson claimed himself, which is 439 00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:15.039 so ridiculous that you had like individual process members who 440 00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:17.920 were at the authoritative level as far as the leadership level, 441 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:21.160 had had allegedly went that traveled from Boston and met 442 00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:27.039 with what's his name? Uh, the dude that that had 443 00:23:27.079 --> 00:23:30.160 the falling out with with Tom O'Neill right later on, 444 00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:35.279 uh ship what's his name? Dammit? Just as far as 445 00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:39.480 the individual prosecutor, I believe, but hold on, let me 446 00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:43.920 pull that. Yeah, dude, I didn't. I was going to say, Bela. 447 00:23:43.799 --> 00:23:50.359 Lagosi Bela is dead. 448 00:23:50.480 --> 00:23:54.599 We that is so funny. 449 00:23:54.920 --> 00:23:56.720 Oh, by the way, I think we see the back 450 00:23:56.799 --> 00:23:58.880 of these of this of the spook operations there in 451 00:23:58.920 --> 00:24:01.119 the cover up of these narratives today with Tom O'Neill, 452 00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:04.359 you know ed Sanders pegged him as a spook, you know, 453 00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:06.400 you know, over a decade ago when he's working on 454 00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:08.720 this twenty year volume of the Manson story right like 455 00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:12.599 in Sanders files, like he wanted nothing to do with 456 00:24:13.039 --> 00:24:14.960 Tom O'Neill, you know what I mean, he's a wise man, 457 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:15.559 that's Sanders. 458 00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:19.359 Well, Tom O'Neill went on Joe Rogan show to plug 459 00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:22.559 that book. Rogan hadn't even finished fucking reading it yet, 460 00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:25.759 and you can tell, like, Okay, as soon as somebody's 461 00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:29.359 on that podcast, my haunches go up, and then you 462 00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:32.559 see like Danny Doudaw's stuff that she's been uncovering about 463 00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:35.079 Tom O'Neill. It's just like, fuck, I liked that book 464 00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:40.599 a lot. Yeah, because it did give us new ship, 465 00:24:40.960 --> 00:24:46.119 no doubt about that, but absolutely crumbs away from like 466 00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:48.039 the process shit that you're talking about. 467 00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:54.039 Isn't there something a guy with like a pew vest 468 00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:56.400 or is that Yeah? 469 00:24:56.519 --> 00:25:01.079 No, no, that's strangely enough, his name is Bill Vance 470 00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:09.240 with Yeah. 471 00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:08.319 No, no, not I checked it out. Not his birthday. 472 00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:10.000 But it is strange while he took the name of 473 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:12.880 the pseudonym surnamed Vance, I'm very confused with that still 474 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:15.279 to this day, of who he knew in which to 475 00:25:15.319 --> 00:25:17.440 take that name, I'm very curious, but I've yet to 476 00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:18.160 find out that answer. 477 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:19.960 But no, it's not his given name. But he didn't. 478 00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:24.640 There's a lot of characters loved him, love he made. 479 00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:28.000 He made an entire vest, his motorcycle vest was made 480 00:25:28.039 --> 00:25:28.880 out of pubes. 481 00:25:29.799 --> 00:25:32.920 Oh my god, you. 482 00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:36.440 Never went to prison? 483 00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:42.200 Uh do you do you remember thrash? He told me 484 00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:44.799 about the pub best. He said it was in Chaos 485 00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:48.519 and I was like, really, I don't remember. 486 00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:50.759 I first read about it, and Adam go rightly, he's 487 00:25:50.799 --> 00:25:52.279 the shadow over Santa Susannah. 488 00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:52.680 I believe. 489 00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:57.200 Okay, very interesting, which is a good book. 490 00:25:57.319 --> 00:26:00.480 It's not, it's not you know again, you much like 491 00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:02.839 Tom O'Neal, I don't throw the baby out with the bathtub. 492 00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:05.519 Tom O'Neill does present a lot of good evidence about 493 00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:08.559 the Operation Chaos, and I think that's important to understand 494 00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:12.359 these components of Charlie was playing so many different sides. 495 00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:13.880 I think he was an agent for a lot of 496 00:26:13.960 --> 00:26:17.039 different people and we see that exemplified in this film, 497 00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:20.799 in fact with Owen Wilson's character. But before we do that, 498 00:26:20.920 --> 00:26:25.039 let's let's describe the film tonight. Say we got Jacquin 499 00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:29.319 Phoenix in her advice is a private investigator in Serra 500 00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:32.519 nineteen seventy There writers at seventy one. They tell you 501 00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:35.240 the beginning of the film is seventy right, Gordiina Beach, right, 502 00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:36.880 which is kind of a it's kind of a fake 503 00:26:36.920 --> 00:26:39.200 Santa Monica, I think, right, I mean, you're you're an. 504 00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:43.880 Ass supposed to Yeah, it's supposed to be in Manhattan 505 00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:46.519 Beach because I believe that was where the author was 506 00:26:46.599 --> 00:26:48.519 living when he wrote the book, and so he kind 507 00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:51.599 of modeled it after Manhattan Beach, which, by the way, 508 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:57.160 Manhattan Beach the mc martin preschool, anyone doesn't ring a bell, right, 509 00:26:57.279 --> 00:27:00.240 Like that is legitimately where that major skin it all 510 00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:03.039 takes place. So it's not at all surprising to me 511 00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:06.079 that that would have been the location, you know what 512 00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:06.440 I mean? 513 00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:11.000 Sure, yeah, No, that's a that's a great point, and 514 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:13.359 and that's one of the things I found intriguing about this. 515 00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:16.559 But me, uh, just bringing y'all's attention to mister, not 516 00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:17.799 an actual Vance. 517 00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:22.400 He looks like seeing his face, he actually looks like 518 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:25.200 a guy who would wear a pube vest right. 519 00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:28.680 In line up. 520 00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:32.519 Probably few vests like he's probably this makes so much 521 00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:33.440 more sense. 522 00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:38.960 So he he so many things about Charlie are misunderstood. 523 00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:41.240 For for a period of time there he was running 524 00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:44.599 a quote unquote modeling agency on the Sunset Strip. 525 00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:50.640 And old Bill Van you know Bill Vance. What's that, sir? 526 00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:52.880 Do you know the name of it? I'm just curious. 527 00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:55.519 It was Stars Talent Agency. Okay. 528 00:27:55.720 --> 00:27:58.079 Interesting, he was running as as I got out a 529 00:27:58.160 --> 00:28:00.599 Terminal Island there when he when he linked up with 530 00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:06.119 I'm digging deep my brain hole for some Manson lower Kaufman, 531 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:09.279 the music producer that got him linked up with the 532 00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:11.480 Beach Boys. That was his cell made at Terminal Island. 533 00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:15.000 He got him linked up, was running some ladies there 534 00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:19.400 and Bill Van Sickle was doing one recruiting from strip clubs, 535 00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:23.799 him and his pew Best. Interesting, so you know some 536 00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:25.880 of the ladies in the Manson grouve got linked up 537 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:27.680 in there because of he was the recruiter right there. 538 00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:30.119 He doesn't get described much. He's never done any prison 539 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.839 time for the Manson crimes, right major f. 540 00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:40.359 I know it was, Yeah, Charlie legitimately said as far 541 00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:44.319 as what was it, the Robert Moore was the alias 542 00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:48.319 that Robert Grimston allegedly went by, right. So that was 543 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:51.799 another firm process connection that always blew my mind whenever 544 00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:56.799 I covered the Ultimate Evil and Ed Sanders book as well, 545 00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:00.200 just in terms of the various connections that they laid 546 00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:03.920 out for for Manson himself, and I think it was 547 00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:10.640 also what was it philed phil Jahon or something like that. 548 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:14.680 I believe he's the author of a book that essentially 549 00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:21.039 laid out the the descriptive nature of Manson, essentially claiming 550 00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:25.160 to have associated with Robert de Grimston and uh and 551 00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:29.119 claiming that what he told to This is the craziest part, 552 00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:31.720 because this was during the Tate Lebionca trial that he 553 00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:40.400 tells uh uh uh Bugliosi that whenever Bugliosi asked him 554 00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:44.359 if he knew Robert Moore, Charlie responds, you're looking at 555 00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:47.559 him more and I are one and the same, And 556 00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:53.200 that always just yeah, dude, I mean it reminded me of. 557 00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:56.759 Oh man, it. 558 00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:04.599 Was Aleister Crowley and Hitler, right like that strange connection there. 559 00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:08.359 There was a quote that that's almost rang just as 560 00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:14.039 as far as the similarities, it's it's kind of extraordinary, 561 00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:16.880 but still not at all surprising that you had that 562 00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:20.240 sort of could obviously the Theosophical Society and the strange 563 00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:23.920 nature of the Nazi occult that in what they were practicing, 564 00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:27.680 but but yeah, I don't know, man, it definitely and 565 00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:35.000 considering the direct connection to Manson specifically claiming that he 566 00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:38.759 and Robert de Grimston we were living under the same alias, 567 00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:41.319 it just was stunning to me. And then it was 568 00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:44.880 the father John and brother Matthew, and I wondered if 569 00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:51.240 it was like was it there's father John is mentioned 570 00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:55.000 multiple times right as far as certain even going and 571 00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:59.319 visiting with Manson before they actually issued the death issue 572 00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:03.759 of the Process magazine, which was directly yeah, where where 573 00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:06.359 they put in the Manson essay or whatever the hell 574 00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:10.279 it was, which is just extraordinary to me. But but yeah, 575 00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:13.200 that it was. Those were the two representatives of the 576 00:31:13.240 --> 00:31:16.960 Process that went to meet with the with the Bugliosi, 577 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:21.359 which which I just thought fascinating obviously, you know, but. 578 00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:24.359 Anyway, PR game pretty good, don't they. 579 00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:26.480 I Mean, they're always trying to cover their their steps, right, 580 00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:28.559 and that's kind of what they do excel. 581 00:31:28.279 --> 00:31:29.720 In that, right. 582 00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.839 And the allegedly it was after he was asking questions 583 00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:37.799 the prosecutor about the process that he was then visited. 584 00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:40.160 As much as I think he was, he was controlled 585 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:42.119 as far as uh, you know, I think he was 586 00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:44.720 somewhat compromised and very much on the take. As far 587 00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:49.640 as Bugliosi's role within the trial itself, I just think, uh, 588 00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:54.000 the the nature of them actually, you know, taking the 589 00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:57.000 effort to go and actually meet with Bugliosi and then 590 00:31:57.079 --> 00:32:01.440 ask him various questions and and confirm with him that 591 00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:05.200 Robert de Grimston never like sort of uh at the 592 00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:07.960 very least, they never preached violence of any kind. 593 00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:11.960 Right, and he is the devil, but we're not violent. Right. 594 00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:16.240 And then if you look at all these aspects again, 595 00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:19.079 you start looking at the all the theology or philosophies 596 00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:20.559 of Manson, it's all processing. 597 00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:20.799 Again. 598 00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:23.680 There's just no way to separate the two on above. 599 00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:25.559 These are the examples you're providing right there, which are 600 00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:29.119 excellent examples. And we see the maschinations of this entirement 601 00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:32.319 of this processing machine. And when you're saying Bogliosi, didn't 602 00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:33.559 they went and met with him. They could You're right, 603 00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:34.799 they could have just met with him at the next 604 00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:36.880 cult meeting if you asked me, because Bogliosi has got 605 00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:39.000 some weird sex cult stuff going on in his life, 606 00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:40.720 and he's not the first one in the l A 607 00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:45.279 Prosecutor's office we have. It was Charles Manson's personal friend 608 00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:49.759 and representative. From what I believe it was, Uh Linda 609 00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:55.160 or the one of the Manson girls, Uh uh Cassavian, 610 00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:57.799 thank you, Kasevian. Believe it's Cassavian's attorney there in the 611 00:32:57.799 --> 00:32:59.920 Manson trial for a while, which is again the period 612 00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:02.839 we're talking about here. And again they referenced throughout the 613 00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:05.839 film the Manson family and the Colts, and we see 614 00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:08.359 the machinations of that Colt again throughout the film. We 615 00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:11.480 see the outlaw biker gangs, we see the Satanist Nazis, 616 00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:13.519 we see the dentists. 617 00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:16.400 Are you familiar with Old Charlie's buddy Victor. 618 00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:20.799 Wild No, honestly, Oh all. 619 00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:24.359 Right, Colby, Julie, have you all familier with Victor Wilde? 620 00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:26.599 He was a dentist with a pub. 621 00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:29.079 He was not only a dentist, sir. He was also 622 00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:29.440 the head. 623 00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:32.559 He was a Satanist Nazi, the head of I believe 624 00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:36.039 it was Satan Slaves outlaw biker gang there they were 625 00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:38.319 Charlie was charging you know, this was again this is 626 00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:40.960 the machinations of the drug trade there. So they're working 627 00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:44.279 with these outlaw biker gangs for largely logistics and security, 628 00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:46.519 which is still going on today. In fact, I was 629 00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:48.920 going across an example in the Idaho four case of 630 00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:53.559 that same situation outlaw biker gangs literally admitting to investigators 631 00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:55.319 in that case and documents released. So they were doing 632 00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:58.400 security to drug shipments to the murder house, being you know, 633 00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:00.599 for drop offs, which again is the same thing we're 634 00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:02.720 talking about here as far as the outlaw biker gangs go. 635 00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:06.400 But Victor Wild yeah, really good friends with Charlie dentists, 636 00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:09.360 uh and the leader of one of those outlaw biker 637 00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:11.280 gangs there, and we see those folks in the film. 638 00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:14.280 Can I just say something real quick? I know this 639 00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:17.719 is kind of like maybe off and I know JJ 640 00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:22.119 doesn't watch Dexter, but view of the season with the 641 00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:23.760 Barrel Girls. 642 00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:28.400 Oh, like the there was a network of dudes kidnapping 643 00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:30.920 and raping and torturing these girls. 644 00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:32.239 One of them was a dentist. 645 00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:33.239 I remember that. 646 00:34:33.159 --> 00:34:36.599 One of them was like a motivational. 647 00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:39.000 Speaker, like the self help guy. 648 00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:42.199 But one of them was a d dan the dentist. 649 00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:45.480 But I just find it interesting. There's always like some 650 00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:49.599 some group of people, a dentist is involved, like public 651 00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:51.159 is involved. 652 00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:55.119 You're pointing out there, all Star team. Sounds like you 653 00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:57.119 got a mind control guy. You're a dentist guy. So 654 00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:00.239 I don't I'm not precisely certain what these dentists. There's 655 00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:03.679 a lot of weird dentists around Manson in the family, 656 00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:04.840 but there's. 657 00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:07.559 A lot of big biology. 658 00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:12.039 To wow, I wouldn't be surprised, but I'm I'm telling 659 00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:17.760 you there was a concerted effort to apparently utilize these 660 00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:22.639 fake dentistry cutouts for intelligence purposes while they were actually 661 00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:27.760 experimenting on these molar implants they would utilize for brain 662 00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:31.360 implants effectively, it really was, and it was behavioral modification 663 00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:34.559 and and uh and understanding. 664 00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:36.039 I assume that's the roller playing right. It's some sort 665 00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:38.000 of like trying to control. 666 00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:39.239 Bart and short. 667 00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:41.800 It's so fucking funny in this in this role, dude, 668 00:35:41.800 --> 00:35:47.599 I'll be honest, he kills it this sequence when it's 669 00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:50.679 just so perfect, Dude, it's so perfect, like it's got 670 00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:53.440 coke energy all day. And then they get in the car. 671 00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:56.480 It's the best ie coke. 672 00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:00.840 What did he say? Don't just h I forget when 673 00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:04.039 he puts, hey, what are you putting underneath the seat man, 674 00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:06.719 it's like it's straight up status. 675 00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:09.280 No attention to them, no attention to that package. 676 00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:13.440 So as we as we're describing her, ya Queen Phoenix's 677 00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:16.840 character of the pot smoking p I, he gets basically 678 00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:20.039 embroiled in this not by his own intent. Folks, are 679 00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:22.239 you know there's a there's a puppet. There's someone pulling 680 00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:24.119 the strings here. There's a puppet master if you will. 681 00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:26.920 And that's in my opinion, Josh Brolin that we see 682 00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:29.000 throughout the film it's kind of pulling the strings on 683 00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:32.119 this and and and pushing Ya Queen Phoenix's character into 684 00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:35.480 into doing his Brolin's deeds form because he's fed up 685 00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:37.960 with a corruption within l A p D. But it's 686 00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:42.360 funny because Brolin plays a robbery homicide detective who I 687 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:45.960 presume is amalgamation of a few guys, but most notably 688 00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:46.920 Philip Van Atder. 689 00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:52.039 Is that an ash that's a direct reference. You think 690 00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:55.679 he was inspired by his character was inspired by that individual, 691 00:36:55.840 --> 00:36:56.320 is what you're saying. 692 00:36:56.360 --> 00:36:58.559 Well, they both have Yeah, they both have a Dutch name, right, 693 00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:03.960 Philip van Atdter and you got Bigfoot Norwegian name right, Yeah, 694 00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:04.280 you know. 695 00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:08.159 The it's so interesting how how they do Like I 696 00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:11.239 thought what Julia was describing earlier, as far as the 697 00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:17.119 sort of psychological state that it the just the the 698 00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:20.199 nature of the film and and kind of the pace 699 00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:22.679 and every single aspect of it, it feels like you're 700 00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:26.280 suffering from. It's so funny because they continually reference heavy 701 00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:30.280 Doper's memory and then he's he's consistently sitting there and 702 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:33.960 he's like, not hallucinating, he's writing on his notepad right 703 00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:36.880 when he's sitting there, having conversations, and he's like and 704 00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:39.679 these yeah, these various connections are being made and he's 705 00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:44.360 trying to ground himself back into reality, like is this real? 706 00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:47.719 And now you're questioning that very fact as the audience member, 707 00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:52.719 which is another real just a brilliant facet to the experience. 708 00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:55.440 You know, it's it's a I think it's honestly, it's 709 00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:59.320 it was It's an extraordinary film for that reason alone, 710 00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:02.679 because it does sort of evoke these emotions that are 711 00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:06.480 directly I think what they were hoping to achieve, and uh, 712 00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:07.679 man like. 713 00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:09.480 I think you're I think you're right. 714 00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:11.039 As far as the trippy nature of it, right, I 715 00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:13.559 think I think Pnchon did a good job on the book, 716 00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:16.239 but Anderson even excelled on that by kind of again 717 00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:19.119 matching the narrator and the achuen Phoenix's friend and the 718 00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:22.119 same person becomes very trippy of what is and is 719 00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:25.440 not the current reality that man's experiencing. Objectively, we're inside 720 00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:28.079 his head, right, But yeah, real quick, straight Satans, thank 721 00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:30.199 you much. That is Victor Wilde. It was he was 722 00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:32.920 the Straights, not Satan slaves. Straight Satans. I get my 723 00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:37.559 I get my Nazi Satans biker games currently. But it's 724 00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:40.320 a it's a great point anti IDENTI I'm a huge 725 00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:44.079 anti dent anti identis. 726 00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:46.960 That medieval tor torture Seinfeld that's. 727 00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:52.519 Got a theory about why Joaquin's Phoenix character is so 728 00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:56.239 disjointed because it took me probably about ten viewings before 729 00:38:56.239 --> 00:38:58.800 I got to this theory. But I think that he 730 00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:03.760 is actually an ultra victim he is being he's being 731 00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:07.199 like led down so many paths by so many people. 732 00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.559 He doesn't question any of it. He knows he hallucinates. 733 00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:15.000 I think the narrator slash friend is supposed to be 734 00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:19.400 his hallucination. Like it's that that Joanna Newsom character. No 735 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:22.280 one else ever acknowledges her. It's usually just those two 736 00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:24.679 alone in a scene, but even when they're with other people, 737 00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:28.360 he's the only one who sees her. So I think that, Like, yeah, big, 738 00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:28.920 I like it. 739 00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:32.159 I like that idea, sir, because he's also, in my opinion, 740 00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:34.880 part of an Operation Chaost like we're talking about with 741 00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:37.800 Manson being part of the CIA's Operation Chaos at least 742 00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:40.719 in one component. And how Ellen Wilson kind of represents 743 00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:42.880 a portion of that tale in the film and his character. 744 00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:46.159 But Jack Queen phantasy, if you think about it, he's 745 00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:49.000 a a PI working under the name Doc at a 746 00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:51.960 at a free medical clinic, right, and he's got a 747 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:55.639 handler who's played by Benicio del Toro, who's this weird 748 00:39:56.119 --> 00:39:57.599 Marie Marine time lawyer. 749 00:39:57.679 --> 00:40:00.480 Right, He's got like a lawyer handle WHOA. 750 00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:04.559 That's what I'm saying. So Manson was playing all these 751 00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:06.599 sides we know that much. We know he was doing it. 752 00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:08.679 We see this naming with Owen Wilson in the film, 753 00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:11.800 but ultimately speaking playing all these sides, they're really only 754 00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:14.800 playing for one side, and that's ultimately this cult within 755 00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:17.719 this national security frame framework. And that's what we see, 756 00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:19.480 you know, spoil alert towards the end of the film, 757 00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:22.480 when Jaqueen Phoenix gets Owen Wilson's character out of out 758 00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:26.119 of this cult network situation, this Cohen tail Pro stuff. 759 00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:29.880 So we see Coen Telpro and you know, literally described 760 00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:33.480 in the film, but we see the machinations of Operation 761 00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:36.559 Chaos played out through Yaqueen Phoenix's character. And again we 762 00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:40.679 see other elements of this with the Black Gorilla Gang 763 00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:43.320 who's teaming up with the outlaw Nazi bikers, and we 764 00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:45.719 see that represent through folks like Donald the Freeze in 765 00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:47.599 the Manson Family exactly. 766 00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:49.679 Yeah. 767 00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:54.800 Yes, the girl that's like that, that's narrating, that's supposed 768 00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:58.239 to be the friend watching it back again today. 769 00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:00.599 Maybe this is out of the book, I don't know, 770 00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:03.800 but like even the language she uses, it's so new 771 00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:10.360 age like dreamlike weirdness, hypnotic, right, Yeah, you know. 772 00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:14.400 The Neptune is going to conjunct with this and the 773 00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:18.079 dope and the dad, and I was thinking to myself, 774 00:41:18.519 --> 00:41:23.239 it really does feel like it's almost meant to confuse 775 00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:25.239 you at points. 776 00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:27.639 Yes, she's his programming. 777 00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:30.679 Yeah, that's what I Yeah, that's what here. 778 00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:34.400 Here's a funny thing too. So that's Joanna Newsome, the 779 00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:39.519 harp player that's playing Liege. She's married to Andy Samberg 780 00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:40.559 from Saturday Night Life. 781 00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:41.280 Oh way. 782 00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:44.239 Yeah. And Paul Thomas Anderson, the director of this movie. 783 00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:48.239 The chick that works in the front office. That's Paul 784 00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:52.559 Thomas Anderson's I have this weird like Scientology Saturday night Life. 785 00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:56.199 That's well, I'm glad you said that there, because there's 786 00:41:56.199 --> 00:41:59.440 only so many films you can do relative to scientology 787 00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:01.360 with science intelligence where you make the top of my 788 00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:03.039 list of secret scientologists. 789 00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:05.920 Thomas Anderson's up there for sure. 790 00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:07.800 I mean, have you seen The Master? 791 00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:10.440 I think that's what I think, that's what got. 792 00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:16.079 Of course he I'm gonna have to rewatch it again 793 00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:19.840 after it's a watch. I love it so much though 794 00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:21.960 when I when I first watched it, I watched it 795 00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:27.000 many times when it first came out. But yeah, in hindsight, 796 00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:30.679 now knowing what I do about because again it was 797 00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:35.519 I wasn't as well versed in definitely hadn't even been 798 00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:38.480 introduced to the process when I first watched that film. 799 00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:42.079 So it's like, uh, thinking about it now, especially in 800 00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:48.320 terms of, you know, clearly the uh, the the scientology 801 00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:52.159 nature of of of Philip Seymour Hoffman. Clearly I mean 802 00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:56.639 representing l H. You know, which is. 803 00:42:56.679 --> 00:42:58.880 Just not a good light, and they do not like 804 00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:01.039 that within scientilic right. 805 00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:05.760 But again, it just to me it was interesting because 806 00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:10.800 like Joaquin Phoenix in that role, he was like this, 807 00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:16.719 he was definitely fractured in every way as a person. 808 00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:19.920 It was like what the animalistic nature of mankind is 809 00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:22.119 what it was supposed to represent or something I believe 810 00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:25.519 is what they hoped his character would represent to the audience, 811 00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:30.239 Which makes sense if you're considering like who is most 812 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:34.519 vulnerable to this kind of esoteric these kind of esoteric 813 00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:37.800 teachings in terms of like many of the occult New 814 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:41.920 Age organizations that were I believe, kind of made out 815 00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:46.119 of whole cloth by the intelligence agencies for this reason 816 00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:49.440 alone to implement this New Age philosophy, and I think 817 00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:53.199 in order for us to embrace this inverted moral landscape, 818 00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:57.280 and these these upside down inverted moral principles that clearly 819 00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:00.880 are you know, the antithesis to what you should attempt 820 00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:04.039 to just practice in your daily life as far as 821 00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:08.320 your uh, you know, your most core values that you 822 00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:11.320 uphold right as an individual person that make you a 823 00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:15.480 worthwhile and a net positive to society at large. Which 824 00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:19.480 is another hilarious kind of like misconception in terms of 825 00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:22.840 the poison pill that is collectivism, which I consistently, you know, 826 00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:25.679 I kind of preach on that just just thing. 827 00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:28.119 It's the same thing. I mean, what you're saying, sir, 828 00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:29.639 I think is the same thing. With my main interject. 829 00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:31.599 I think it's the same thing, because what it boils 830 00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:33.960 down to is all these commedy bastards, right all, you know, 831 00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:36.559 the process sort of out Marxist. I don't see any 832 00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:40.239 divers two ideologies. Folks can battle some antics all they want. 833 00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:41.920 It all ends of nihilism, and it is all very 834 00:44:41.920 --> 00:44:46.800 anti American, anti liberty garbage. Exactly what you're saying, this 835 00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:49.920 is spook operations to introduce the New Age. 836 00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:52.639 That's really what it is. Introduced. Fuck COMMI shit, yes, 837 00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:53.239 their good. 838 00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:56.719 I thought that the Woaquin Phoenix character and the master. 839 00:44:56.840 --> 00:44:58.800 He was supposed to be like a Parsons type guy 840 00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:01.800 because it's like the pre pool to the showdown, because 841 00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:05.000 he's the guy mixing all the chemicals. You are right 842 00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:07.360 about that, Yeah, and then they start this feud and 843 00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:10.679 the movie ends before we get to like the big show. 844 00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:11.800 I forgot he was. 845 00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:14.079 He was just making these these. 846 00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:17.199 Toxic an interesting point. You bring up an interesting point. 847 00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:19.119 For sure, we might have to do a future one 848 00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:19.480 on that's or. 849 00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:20.159 I do enjoy it. 850 00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:22.760 I love to that. I've only seen that movie twice. 851 00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:25.880 It's it's painful for me to watch because of the way. 852 00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:28.239 It's not good at least one of my least favorite 853 00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:28.920 Paul times. 854 00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:32.960 I love the movie, but it's just, yeah, you're watching 855 00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:35.280 it through characters. IY is just much like with one 856 00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:38.880 of the one Recovering Today. 857 00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:40.880 Supposed to stop slightly above Punch Drunk Love for me, 858 00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:42.719 slightly above Punch Runk Club. 859 00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:45.800 I love Punch Dunk Love, though, man, I do love 860 00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:46.199 that one. 861 00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:46.800 That's Adam. 862 00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:49.280 I mean, I like all Paul Thomas Anderson films. I 863 00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:51.159 just that's you know, it's not it's not high on 864 00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:53.159 my list there, you know, I get it. 865 00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:56.880 I'm sorry, I was just gonna say to you in 866 00:45:56.920 --> 00:46:02.000 this that the very beginning of the movie, like after 867 00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:05.039 he meets with his ex girlfriend, the next scene after 868 00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:08.360 that is when we see the narrator chick, and I 869 00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:11.280 swear it's like trying to set it up that he. 870 00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:15.079 Has like split personality or he's dissociated in some way. 871 00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:17.639 I think that's part of the reason why you all 872 00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:19.800 mentioned before you all were spot on your analysis of 873 00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:22.440 how folks initially took this film is because of that reason, 874 00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:25.239 I think. But I also think it's done intentionally to 875 00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:28.679 paint this this kind of mystical nature of the entire film. 876 00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:31.800 Well, yeah, because you remember she says you need to 877 00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:34.000 do something about your hair. If you change your hair, 878 00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:36.519 you change your life. And then the next scene he's 879 00:46:36.559 --> 00:46:38.119 got those little perms. 880 00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:40.840 Perm yeah right, yeah, yeah. 881 00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:42.599 And it's like he's totally disassociated. 882 00:46:42.679 --> 00:46:44.719 Now he's got a perm and now he's got you 883 00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:46.960 know what, he's sitting there watching TV. 884 00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:50.320 And I'm glad you mentioned this because I got a 885 00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:53.039 clipped out up here to introduce us to this narrator 886 00:46:53.039 --> 00:46:56.320 and the exact mystical nature you're describing, because it does 887 00:46:56.400 --> 00:46:58.800 immediately hit you with is this lady real or because 888 00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:00.840 you see her later and she is real, you presume 889 00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:03.639 she is right, not Israel, but is an actual person. 890 00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:06.800 Did you see they have marshmallows on that pizza, by 891 00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:09.440 the way, in the scene when with the narrator, when 892 00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:12.960 they're where, when they're just eating in the restaurant. I 893 00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:15.199 thought it was my wife pointed, Oh, I thought that 894 00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:18.360 was mozzarella. I hope it was, because I was like 895 00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:22.360 that fucking marshmallows, dude, I was disturbed. 896 00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:27.639 Go ahead, well let's yeah, let's watch this brief introduction 897 00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:29.920 here to the film, and we see the mystical nature. 898 00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:30.840 It kicks us off. 899 00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:37.519 On she came along the alley and up the backstairs 900 00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:41.960 the way she always used to. Doc hadn't seen her 901 00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:42.760 in over a year. 902 00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:44.400 Nobody had. 903 00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:46.079 Back then. 904 00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:49.519 It was always sandals, bottom half of a flower print 905 00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:52.800 bikini and a faded country Joe in the fish t shirt. 906 00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:57.559 Tonight she was all in flat, lank gear, hair, a 907 00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:01.519 lot shorter than he remembered, looking just like she swore 908 00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:02.440 she would never look. 909 00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:07.159 So that is a good I mean, it's a really 910 00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:09.039 to me. It's a gripping way to start the film. 911 00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:11.280 And again it paints the mystical nature once you starts 912 00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:14.159 seeing this lady's not so much in his head. Possibly 913 00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:18.159 possibly not. We also get introduced to Shasta fe Hepworth, 914 00:48:18.199 --> 00:48:21.280 which is an interesting character name, right, but she's a 915 00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:23.480 blue blood kind of character right now, of like an 916 00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:26.880 Abigail Folger type of type of situation. And she's the 917 00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:28.920 one who gets dock and broiled into all this stuff. Yah, 918 00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:31.239 Queen Phoenix is along with big foot Biorns, and they're 919 00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:33.760 clearly you'll realize towards the end of the film, in 920 00:48:33.800 --> 00:48:36.159 probably your tenth or twelfth watching, that these two have 921 00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:38.360 been working together the entire time, you know what I mean. 922 00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:43.360 Definitely, yeah, I think it's it's nuts whenever I mean, 923 00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:47.440 as soon as you you see him go to the 924 00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:52.199 real estate development location where the only thing that is 925 00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:56.239 that is on the property is this trailer that's clearly 926 00:48:56.280 --> 00:49:01.119 a prostitution operation where who's running security? When Doc shows up, 927 00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:05.000 all these motorcycles leave, right, and that it's obviously the 928 00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:08.679 Arian Brotherhood, or or it's supposed to at least I 929 00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:11.000 think represent you know this. 930 00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:13.920 This probably hells Angels, right, I means angels, because the 931 00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:15.760 dude's got a big swatzika right. 932 00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:19.760 Exactly, Neil Nancie, a biker gang of some kind. And 933 00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:24.039 even if you remember when uh, when Doc goes to 934 00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:28.480 the Pad, right, the the Spook Pad and Penga Canyon, 935 00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:31.920 which is just felt like, this is Laurel Canyon, right, 936 00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:34.599 I mean, come on, this is what they're trying to 937 00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:36.719 represent at the very least, well. 938 00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:38.760 For sure, because they're going to if I'm they're going 939 00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:41.519 to see a band, they're going to they're going to infiltrate. 940 00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:45.440 We don't get too far ahead here. Owen Wilson's character 941 00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:47.440 comes into play here, and that's where they're going to 942 00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:50.000 visit him. But let's let's just put a pin on 943 00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:53.519 that rope, because that is Laurel Canyon. I think Alan 944 00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:56.760 Wilson plays a very much Laurel Canyon musician. He's a 945 00:49:56.840 --> 00:50:00.440 he's a former surf sax player from this the Panga 946 00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:01.159 Canyon band that. 947 00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:04.440 He probably heads the Wrecking Crew. 948 00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:07.800 Well, there you go, Skirt, there you go. And when 949 00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:10.159 then he fakes his death and suddenly he's he's working 950 00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:10.559 for the l A. 951 00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:10.880 P D. 952 00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:13.639 He's working for the COLT, he's working for the FBI, 953 00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:15.599 for Coen Telpro, He's working. 954 00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:16.880 For the rally. 955 00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:18.360 Dude, it's so funny. 956 00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:20.960 And he's got different identities with these group though, right, 957 00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:23.639 because the and the Nixon rally when he gets pulled 958 00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:26.079 out on TV making a big spectacle and a very 959 00:50:26.119 --> 00:50:29.880 co intel pro you know, agent provocateur fashion the district 960 00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:32.920 Attorney from Los Angeles that Jaqueline Phoenix has banging Reese 961 00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:36.559 Witherspoon's character of the Assistant DA. She knows him as Chucky, 962 00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:40.119 which is a different identity than his real identity or 963 00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:42.039 the one he's going by and his. 964 00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:44.760 Other spook operation. So he's got at least three identities. 965 00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:51.599 I think she's one of his handlers too, the attorney. 966 00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:54.079 Yeah, yeah, sure, that makes all the sense I mean. 967 00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:58.079 And and then she she sort of like lures him back. 968 00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:00.039 He walked me back to work type of thing. And 969 00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:04.760 then he's sitting there with Cohen Tel agents gets on purpose. 970 00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:09.159 Yeah yeah, it is that that to me. And then 971 00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:12.079 by the way, meeting with at at his dent dental 972 00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:15.199 practice or wherever doc's hanging out, right, and he's he's 973 00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:19.639 just uh huffing that laughing gas, right, and it's that's 974 00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:20.599 so hilarious. 975 00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:24.039 But it's a free medical clinic, right, It's just like 976 00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:27.239 the free medical clinic that Abigail Folger's mother was financing 977 00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:29.679 there in the Hate and Ashbury with with the with 978 00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:33.199 the whole spook operation there with him kilt stuff exactly. 979 00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:36.280 But was it the it was the Black Gorilla. 980 00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:41.360 Isn't that the name of the the Yeah, the group 981 00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:44.000 that Omar from the wire? 982 00:51:44.079 --> 00:51:44.280 Right? 983 00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:46.920 Wasn't he the actor that played that role? 984 00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:48.400 Yeah? 985 00:51:48.440 --> 00:51:49.440 Man, he he was? 986 00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:49.719 Uh? 987 00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:52.679 And And also what Chalky White and Boardwalk Empire, which 988 00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:55.159 is another one I really love? Actually is that that 989 00:51:55.400 --> 00:52:01.079 is an amazing series, truly, I believe. But anyway too 990 00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:06.519 definitely he heroin overdose, right, isn't that what happened? 991 00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:10.679 I didn't, Oh, you know, outside of a heroin overdose? 992 00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:15.480 How about Phillips more often. 993 00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:17.920 Exactly allegedly? 994 00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:22.199 You know when I again, this happened right after you know, 995 00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:24.119 not right after the Master, but soon enough. There's a 996 00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:26.159 lot of weird stuff going on with that death. But 997 00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:29.280 when you see twenty, like twenty or thirty little baggies 998 00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:31.280 of heroin and some dude relapsed and they're all just 999 00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:34.280 spread across his body, like that's somebody who doesn't understand 1000 00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:36.360 heroin who stages that scene like, that's not. 1001 00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:39.440 Somebody who understand their way out, which. 1002 00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:44.280 I just realized there's a weird scientology connection between not 1003 00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:48.000 only Philip Seymour Hoffman playing l Ron Hubbard in The Master, 1004 00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:53.400 but he was in Magnolia with Tom Cruise, right exactly. 1005 00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:56.159 I just realized that he played that character with Tom 1006 00:52:56.679 --> 00:52:59.480 and he's telling the story along with Paul Thomas Anderson 1007 00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:05.159 in the four the four situation, right, interest, that is interesting. 1008 00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:09.320 What's someone with Mark Wahlberg playing John Holmes. 1009 00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:14.400 Oh, that's well, that's Boogie Knights. That's yeah, that was 1010 00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:16.360 the second movie and it's the one. 1011 00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:18.639 That's what I'm saying, Like, that's the whole scene around 1012 00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:20.079 the forum that they don't say the four and the 1013 00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:21.360 four murders, but they're described. 1014 00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:25.199 He's supposed to be. I mean, they call him Dirk Diggler, 1015 00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:27.000 but he's supposed to be John Holmes. 1016 00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:31.400 Are you serious? Look Nights too? 1017 00:53:33.559 --> 00:53:34.639 He loves that. 1018 00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:36.480 E oh yeah, I mean that's what I'm saying. 1019 00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:38.599 When we start looking to say, before we go any 1020 00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:40.800 further in the film, let's uh, let's just take a 1021 00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:43.159 quick moment here before we I wanted to discuss you know, 1022 00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:45.760 Paul Thomas Anderson and Thomas Penshones pass before we go 1023 00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:48.440 any further with that. But let's take a quick on that, 1024 00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:51.920 and then let's take a quick intermission right here. 1025 00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:04.679 So, so, how how are all of those little wave ripples? 1026 00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:08.000 How are those so perfectly matching what's in the video? 1027 00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:11.119 All the dons, all the special patterns look the same. 1028 00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:13.280 This is like saying that my butthole is your butthole 1029 00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:15.480 because they're similar, right, It's not be we don't have 1030 00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:16.079 the same butthole. 1031 00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:18.599 Because of that, you're using butthole a lot of context. 1032 00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:20.639 You're talking about botholes making everyone feel weird. 1033 00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:34.280 That's the point, all right. That one's for Julia. She 1034 00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:35.760 loves her butthole. 1035 00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:41.519 So there, I yelled at from the kitchen. That's for you. 1036 00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:45.360 So Thomas Panchone, he's the one who writes all this stuff. 1037 00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:48.719 So in order to get all these mans and things involved, 1038 00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:52.159 I mean again, we were describing some scientology connections with 1039 00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:54.480 Paul Thomas Anderson, which I think again is very apt 1040 00:54:54.599 --> 00:54:57.760 to where his knowledge and activities involvement come from and 1041 00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:00.880 why he's doing these things perhaps making these films. We 1042 00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:03.239 see because the process is the dark wing of scientology. 1043 00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:05.679 They can't claim they're an offshoot, but they there's a 1044 00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:07.679 lot of a lot of argument to be made that 1045 00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:09.360 that's not quite the situation. 1046 00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:13.280 I've heard it described as the strong arm of scientology 1047 00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:16.159 by certain people as well, And I don't know, do 1048 00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:18.559 you think that there's any accuracy to that statement. 1049 00:55:18.920 --> 00:55:20.800 It seems like I do. I do. 1050 00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:23.599 Look at mister processed out org himself, Sir Lucy and 1051 00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:28.280 grieves the Satanic temple, right doug. He he attacks victims 1052 00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:31.239 of Satanic ritual abuse through this false memory syndrome stuff. 1053 00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:34.360 He's directly linked with the spychiatrist of the false memory syndrome. 1054 00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:35.360 His process. 1055 00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:39.960 That website is dedicated to attacking Satanic ritual abuse victimes 1056 00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:43.880 through Satanic panic and false memory stuff. So we kind 1057 00:55:43.880 --> 00:55:46.280 of see that. And it's got an eater at his headquarters, 1058 00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:48.440 so we see him. He wants, he says, he wants 1059 00:55:48.440 --> 00:55:51.320 to perfect the use of it. So I mean again, 1060 00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:54.119 if you take the actions, not their words, you can 1061 00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:56.239 start seeing what's actually going on there, right. 1062 00:55:56.679 --> 00:56:01.639 Right, Yeah, And that's that's interesting for sure. I definitely 1063 00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:06.599 think that there's so much value in just the the 1064 00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:11.880 pop culture introduction of a concept, you know, utilizing the 1065 00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:14.000 sort of this this paradigm, you know what I mean. 1066 00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:16.559 And that is why I think inherent Vice is so 1067 00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:22.800 special because it kind of appeals to one me directly, 1068 00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:27.199 but people who I think kind of just like they 1069 00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:31.000 they in order to in order to at the very 1070 00:56:31.079 --> 00:56:34.679 least interpret the current power paradigm that play It's like 1071 00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:37.519 you have to understand the playbook they utilize, right, And 1072 00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:40.960 as far as these domestic operations and how they're facilitated, 1073 00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:45.280 the distribution networks involved, the geographical hubs for you know, 1074 00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:50.079 the the strong intelligence footprint that is clearly the hidden 1075 00:56:50.159 --> 00:56:54.400 hand directing things, which is another aspect of how this 1076 00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:59.519 perfectly represents the nature that is this this very much 1077 00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:05.360 criminal enterprise. But but it it's it's really an international 1078 00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:11.320 that's what it feels like to me. And they all 1079 00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:15.840 conduct themselves in a very similar way and facilitate cover 1080 00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:18.519 ups at every level as well. But there's no difference 1081 00:57:18.559 --> 00:57:20.760 to me. When you see Michael Aquino, which you mentioned 1082 00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:23.960 earlier and clearly plays into so much of this, uh 1083 00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:29.760 and you see him traveling to on his diplomatic missions, 1084 00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:34.519 right uh, to to these Nazi castles and performing Satanic rituals, 1085 00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:37.559 right and and uh. And they're connected to the Pink 1086 00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:40.760 ballets and Belgium and the market detail network and uh. 1087 00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:45.079 And he's not only affiliated with Franklin, but the Finders 1088 00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:48.559 and the confessions of DC Madam right and and and 1089 00:57:48.599 --> 00:57:51.360 Craig Spence and his operation as well. And so for me, 1090 00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:57.960 this provides us this it's just another window into By 1091 00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:02.000 the way, it's another reason why I'm consistently pointing out 1092 00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:05.079 the fact that they never in like, they never stop 1093 00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:09.440 the objectives of the criminal enterprise at like the drug 1094 00:58:09.519 --> 00:58:13.400 trafficking level. Obviously that's not going to be where it ends. 1095 00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:13.960 Uh. 1096 00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:20.880 They will continue this sinister pursuit into the darkest clandestine 1097 00:58:20.920 --> 00:58:24.599 corners of intelligence that will effectively involve, you know, the 1098 00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:28.280 abduction of children on the street, using you know, police 1099 00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:32.440 protection and local officials helping cover up the criminal cases 1100 00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:35.159 so that the overall network isn't exposed. 1101 00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:40.679 And and this right here, what you're describing is the 1102 00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:43.400 reason is kind of the the from what I see 1103 00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:46.920 the motivations of Josh Brolin's character in the film The 1104 00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:49.920 LAPD Homicide Detective of what is motivating him. 1105 00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:53.039 To actually put all of these wheels. 1106 00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:56.119 Into motion here in the film pushing, you know, pulling 1107 00:58:56.119 --> 00:58:58.400 the strings there on ya. Queen Photix's character working with 1108 00:58:58.679 --> 00:59:01.280 his ex girlfriend Shasta fa Hepworth, who's dating that real 1109 00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:05.360 estate developer, this big real estate developers. He's kind of 1110 00:59:05.360 --> 00:59:08.079 got a couple of characters, I think amalgamation they're in, 1111 00:59:09.039 --> 00:59:11.719 but they do kind of time into this Howard Hughes 1112 00:59:11.840 --> 00:59:15.039 character when they got the Mormon Mafia FBI guys around 1113 00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:15.639 him and whatnot. 1114 00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:18.800 Right by the way, the co Intel pro agents who 1115 00:59:18.840 --> 00:59:23.519 meet with Doc, they offer the the uh a copy 1116 00:59:24.039 --> 00:59:27.280 of the Book of Mormon. I was like, what are 1117 00:59:27.320 --> 00:59:27.679 you doing? 1118 00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:29.880 And what you're saying is he's ongoing enterprises. We see 1119 00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:32.079 these in the film and this is what motivates Brolin, 1120 00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:35.559 the LAPD homicide detective enough and enough because they've this 1121 00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:38.920 network had murdered his partner and nothing came of it, 1122 00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:40.840 and he just seen enough of it. You know, he's 1123 00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:43.280 really lost his mind. We know he lost his mind. 1124 00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:45.159 Throughout the film, they kind of just again back to 1125 00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:47.880 this nature of what his reality and what's the stripping nature. 1126 00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:51.119 We see Brolin losing his ship throughout the entire film. 1127 00:59:51.199 --> 00:59:56.000 We see, oh, exactly right, He's just he's fucking out 1128 00:59:56.000 --> 00:59:56.360 there right. 1129 00:59:56.599 --> 00:59:59.159 Can I just say, dude, I love Josh Brolin, but 1130 00:59:59.239 --> 01:00:00.000 I think this is. 1131 01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:02.119 My favorite unit I love. 1132 01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:05.639 I said that to my wife earlier, like last night, 1133 01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:08.119 we were trying to watch through at least the first half, 1134 01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:11.599 and I said, I paused it. I said, this is 1135 01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:17.000 my favorite role for Woking Phoenix, Josh Brolin, Benicio del Toro, 1136 01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:20.320 and honestly even Martin Short. It's probably my favorite character 1137 01:00:20.360 --> 01:00:23.119 for him as well, just because it's so perfect what 1138 01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:25.760 he represents in that scene. 1139 01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:29.320 Where he's eating the banana in the car scenes in 1140 01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:35.320 the movie Popsicle, just watching him like, yeah, he's. 1141 01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:37.960 So described, Oh dude, and the scene is getting them 1142 01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:40.159 pancakes and they're they're clearly. 1143 01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:44.440 Yeah, wait, he's trying. 1144 01:00:44.519 --> 01:00:46.920 He's trying to mess with Walking Phoenix, and Walking Phoenix 1145 01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:48.519 is messing back with him when they both now at 1146 01:00:48.559 --> 01:00:50.360 that point realize they're both sucking with each other. 1147 01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:51.559 You know that. 1148 01:00:51.639 --> 01:00:56.239 I I I read, dude, I read, I read a medium. 1149 01:00:56.360 --> 01:00:58.360 He tried to tell him that Martin Short's character was 1150 01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:02.159 found with with a broken neck and two fangs. Two 1151 01:01:02.199 --> 01:01:04.400 fang uh, you know, speaking of Michael Aquino, and some 1152 01:01:04.440 --> 01:01:07.599 psychological operations make it look like vampires killed someone, you know, 1153 01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:11.440 this drug trafficking machine with the dentists, with Hollywood, with 1154 01:01:11.480 --> 01:01:14.840 the mafia, with you know, with the major Hollywood figures, 1155 01:01:14.840 --> 01:01:17.000 which we can get into who that guy is, who 1156 01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:18.639 you know, Burke's Dodger that is. So I got a 1157 01:01:18.679 --> 01:01:22.880 lot of ideas that that's Marlon Brando represented there, but 1158 01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:27.000 we see that with well exactly there you go, sir, 1159 01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:29.840 and and Marlon Brando got an island in French Polynesia, 1160 01:01:29.960 --> 01:01:32.239 the same place where they're taking this Golden fang, right, 1161 01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:33.440 the the the. 1162 01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:38.440 Huge islands, right, yeah, man, right, Yeah, I thought it 1163 01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:44.840 was very interesting. And and uh and also Benisso mentioned 1164 01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:47.519 the white Anglo owners and Howard Hughes when he bought 1165 01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:50.480 the desert in right, basically being the representative for the 1166 01:01:50.519 --> 01:01:54.480 intelligence agencies on the strip instead of the essentially the 1167 01:01:54.480 --> 01:01:57.920 FEDS needed, uh, someone who wasn't Italian, right, as he said, 1168 01:01:57.960 --> 01:01:59.679 I think is the way that he put it on 1169 01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:02.599 the st rip. And and then to to put it 1170 01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:05.880 in that perspective though, with the Howard Hughes reference was 1171 01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:09.840 so incredible for me just because knowing the level of 1172 01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:14.079 involvement that that Howard Hughes really kind of fulfilled. As 1173 01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:19.239 far as the the the private sector, you know, plausible 1174 01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:23.039 deniability cut out for the intelligence apparatus to clearly you know, 1175 01:02:23.119 --> 01:02:27.800 pursue these domestic uh uh clandestine operations and and and 1176 01:02:27.800 --> 01:02:31.000 and it was Nixon as VP who was tasked with 1177 01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:34.079 he gave he gave Howard Hughes a call. He said, Hey, man, 1178 01:02:34.119 --> 01:02:36.840 we need you to set up these domestic black sites 1179 01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:39.599 all throughout the US to train up these Cuban exiles 1180 01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:42.440 right in order to and and so we can green 1181 01:02:42.519 --> 01:02:46.039 light these various false flag operations all throughout the day. 1182 01:02:46.159 --> 01:02:48.079 Dude, Howard Hughes in deep, That's what I'm saying when 1183 01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:49.719 they'd give the nod him. As far as the real 1184 01:02:49.800 --> 01:02:53.119 estate goes with this Mickey Wolfenstein character who disappears, and 1185 01:02:53.159 --> 01:02:56.039 that's why we saw Shastafe Hepworth coming into the Yaquin 1186 01:02:56.039 --> 01:02:59.760 Phoenix's apartment his ex girlfriend because that was her boyfriend. 1187 01:02:59.840 --> 01:03:02.239 He's disappeared and she wants his help. But it's really 1188 01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:04.519 we later learned there's more a little bit more behind that, 1189 01:03:04.599 --> 01:03:07.440 but yeah, Mickey Wolffenstein, so yeah, he's they give the 1190 01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:10.760 Howard Hughes nod. There is an LA based developer who 1191 01:03:10.920 --> 01:03:14.760 a Jewish fellow who did his son went to Vegas before, 1192 01:03:14.960 --> 01:03:18.000 like folks like Shell Shell Nattelson and Steve Whinn. 1193 01:03:17.800 --> 01:03:19.639 And folks like that of these Jewish characters there. 1194 01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:22.280 But it is interesting to see that this real estate 1195 01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:24.920 developer is so intrenched in the deep state and they 1196 01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:26.880 give the nod to Hughes, which kind of makes me 1197 01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:29.400 think that there's an amalgamation of Hughes into that character, 1198 01:03:29.519 --> 01:03:32.280 because Hughes is about as deep state as it gets. 1199 01:03:32.280 --> 01:03:36.840 So y' all familiar with the term the Glomar response, yes, yeah, 1200 01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:40.360 and reformation requests, you get the response, we cannot confirm 1201 01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:42.360 nor deny this exactly. 1202 01:03:42.519 --> 01:03:43.079 Yeah, we can. 1203 01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:46.360 They called the Glomar from the operation USS Glomar operation, 1204 01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:49.519 which is a Howard Hughes shipped with a giant They 1205 01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:51.719 had a huge, huge vessel and they were trying to 1206 01:03:51.800 --> 01:03:53.119 dig something up from the bottoms. 1207 01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:54.119 They had a big climate. 1208 01:03:54.199 --> 01:03:59.400 She was a warhead, right, like a massive nuclear warhead 1209 01:03:59.400 --> 01:04:03.320 that they were tempting to retrieve that had fallen into 1210 01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:05.880 the bottom of the ocean because of what a submarine 1211 01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:10.119 u UH had sunk or something to that effect. And 1212 01:04:10.119 --> 01:04:10.679 and that's. 1213 01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:13.199 What the plane that's their's the plane but they can't 1214 01:04:13.199 --> 01:04:16.280 confirm nor deny it. And it's really that that was 1215 01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:19.840 was a Howard Hughes ship and Bill Colby, not not Colby, 1216 01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:22.519 not Bill Colby here, but Bill Colby was in charge 1217 01:04:22.559 --> 01:04:24.679 of that operation there. So you know, that's how deep 1218 01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:27.480 state Hughes is. But we do see that the story 1219 01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:30.800 revolves around that. But this ongoing enterprise of all this activity, 1220 01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:34.119 this whod rat shit activity, is what motivates Josh Brolin's 1221 01:04:34.159 --> 01:04:37.920 character in Shassafe Hepworth And they're they're looking for this 1222 01:04:37.960 --> 01:04:41.079 missing real estate developer, you know, and what they're really 1223 01:04:41.079 --> 01:04:43.000 that's what they tell ya, Queen Phoenix, right, But what 1224 01:04:43.039 --> 01:04:45.559 they're really doing is trying to attack this cult from 1225 01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:46.000 the inside. 1226 01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:46.239 Kid. 1227 01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:49.480 You know, I read a theory on that I don't 1228 01:04:49.519 --> 01:04:51.800 I have to mention before I forget. I thought it 1229 01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:55.519 was I thought it was a little bit ridiculous, too 1230 01:04:55.599 --> 01:04:58.239 far fetched, but again it was. It was published in 1231 01:04:58.320 --> 01:05:00.880 like medium or something, and it was this essentially saying 1232 01:05:00.920 --> 01:05:08.840 that that basically Bigfoot Bjornsen had had potentially he was 1233 01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:11.760 even a sort of construct in the mind of Doc 1234 01:05:11.880 --> 01:05:14.960 the for the for the audience, and that effectively his 1235 01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:18.440 character had essentially kind of like spun out of control 1236 01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:22.679 in various ways because of the uh, sort of extraordinary 1237 01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:25.480 effect of what had happened to him throughout the covert 1238 01:05:25.559 --> 01:05:28.840 operations that killed his partner. And I thought it was hilarious, 1239 01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:32.079 but it was it was the fact that Joaquin Phoenix 1240 01:05:32.599 --> 01:05:37.199 could have even been a sort of created construct within 1241 01:05:37.239 --> 01:05:40.960 the mind of of a of a layered character in 1242 01:05:41.079 --> 01:05:44.519 the plot itself, which again it's like you're questioning agraph 1243 01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:49.000 Well yeah, yeah, definitely, I thought it was a little ridiculous, 1244 01:05:49.039 --> 01:05:51.840 but I still I found it interesting because again, we're 1245 01:05:51.880 --> 01:05:55.320 always in that mode of questioning what is real. If 1246 01:05:55.360 --> 01:05:57.840 you remember when he's meeting with the heroin addict that 1247 01:05:57.840 --> 01:05:59.800 that obviously is the wife of Koy or the at 1248 01:05:59.840 --> 01:06:03.280 least the mother of his child. That's uh, right, was 1249 01:06:03.320 --> 01:06:07.079 passing the heroine through her breast milk, and when he 1250 01:06:07.480 --> 01:06:10.440 sees the picture of the child, he like screams out. 1251 01:06:10.519 --> 01:06:13.239 But that obviously didn't happen, right, because she didn't have 1252 01:06:13.280 --> 01:06:18.440 any real obvious just right, Yeah, she didn't even react. 1253 01:06:18.519 --> 01:06:21.639 And so that to me was another example of like, 1254 01:06:21.800 --> 01:06:24.440 that didn't happen, that was an internal reaction, and we 1255 01:06:24.519 --> 01:06:27.440 got to witness it, and and because it wouldn't be 1256 01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:31.199 nastral at whatsoever. There would have been a reaction obviously. 1257 01:06:31.639 --> 01:06:35.280 So it's another layer to questioning what is real and 1258 01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:36.679 what is not and and. 1259 01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:38.400 And they keep fitness with that too, right, because there's 1260 01:06:38.440 --> 01:06:41.480 that one scene where the narrator we saw when she's 1261 01:06:41.480 --> 01:06:43.239 playing your real because in the book there are two 1262 01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:46.320 different characters, the narrator in that woman. So but out 1263 01:06:46.360 --> 01:06:49.159 of the tribute nature of the book, Paul Thomas Anderson 1264 01:06:49.199 --> 01:06:51.719 has mashed him together here. So you do see a 1265 01:06:51.719 --> 01:06:53.440 scene where she's in the car, you think, oh, that 1266 01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:55.079 she's actually in the car, but she's not. You find 1267 01:06:55.079 --> 01:06:56.960 out she's not, so you kind of you keep getting 1268 01:06:56.960 --> 01:06:57.679 those elements, like. 1269 01:06:58.599 --> 01:07:02.400 I'm telling that's how I took it too, especially like 1270 01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:06.519 that weird trippy the way that she talks throughout the 1271 01:07:06.639 --> 01:07:09.920 entire movie. But does it ever explain in the book 1272 01:07:10.280 --> 01:07:14.000 or like why his nickname is doc because he's a 1273 01:07:14.079 --> 01:07:15.280 doctor he's not. 1274 01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:17.440 No, I don't think it does. But that's what I mean. 1275 01:07:17.599 --> 01:07:19.400 While he's working at a free medical clinic. 1276 01:07:19.639 --> 01:07:25.000 Yeah, I think, dude, I definitely think that he is. Like, Yeah, 1277 01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:27.880 this person whoever came up with the theory that Austin 1278 01:07:27.960 --> 01:07:30.960 was just talking about took it a step further. But 1279 01:07:31.000 --> 01:07:33.480 there's a reason he's so disjointed, and there's a reason 1280 01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:35.920 he is so willing to go along with all of 1281 01:07:35.960 --> 01:07:38.159 his handlers. He's got three that I can think of, 1282 01:07:38.760 --> 01:07:42.599 and he never like stops to think, why am I 1283 01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:44.400 in the middle of everything going on? 1284 01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:45.239 Right? 1285 01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:47.440 You remember when he goes to the Wolfman residence and 1286 01:07:47.480 --> 01:07:50.360 the whole entire LAPD is just at a pool party. 1287 01:07:51.760 --> 01:07:54.079 And it's interesting what they say there too, right, because 1288 01:07:54.119 --> 01:07:55.519 he says they're a party because. 1289 01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:56.960 They know the Feds are coming in to shut her 1290 01:07:57.039 --> 01:07:57.519 from down. 1291 01:07:58.199 --> 01:08:01.920 That's exactly which to me is a sign that won 1292 01:08:02.840 --> 01:08:05.719 all of the local officials know exactly the playbook that's 1293 01:08:05.760 --> 01:08:09.280 being uh you know, sort of uh implemented and presided 1294 01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:12.119 over at the moment. And and two, I feel like 1295 01:08:12.519 --> 01:08:16.199 there's a reason why, you know why you know, Jade 1296 01:08:16.239 --> 01:08:20.159 obviously the prostitute. Who's who's who's at what's the name of? 1297 01:08:22.399 --> 01:08:22.600 Yeah? 1298 01:08:22.800 --> 01:08:26.119 Right, right, exactly, perfect timing, sir. I got a clip 1299 01:08:26.119 --> 01:08:26.800 here of Jade. 1300 01:08:27.279 --> 01:08:27.600 Nice. 1301 01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:30.439 That scene right there I think is incredible. The fog 1302 01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:34.920 itself sets the tone right, It's just perfect. 1303 01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:37.039 No, absolutely so he meets her, he goes to that 1304 01:08:37.039 --> 01:08:40.600 real estate development looking for Mickey Wolfman and gang and whatnot. 1305 01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:43.439 He finds the biker gang, gets knocked out, and suddenly 1306 01:08:43.479 --> 01:08:45.399 he's the suspect by old That's what I'm saying. Say, 1307 01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:47.600 we start seeing the maschinations of Bigfoot be o Ornson 1308 01:08:47.720 --> 01:08:50.960 right there because he you know obviously when you're when 1309 01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:54.000 you see Jack Quinn Phoenix going into the whorehouse there 1310 01:08:54.079 --> 01:08:57.439 the new real estate development that Bigfoot be Ornson does 1311 01:08:57.479 --> 01:08:59.880 the commercials for right on TV right, which is kind 1312 01:08:59.880 --> 01:09:01.520 of another scene where you're like, is this real? 1313 01:09:01.640 --> 01:09:02.239 Is it not real? 1314 01:09:02.359 --> 01:09:02.479 Right? 1315 01:09:02.520 --> 01:09:02.720 Yeah? 1316 01:09:02.720 --> 01:09:05.399 He starts talking to him through the TV all. 1317 01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:10.000 Right, but yeah, Jornson later talking about how his TV 1318 01:09:10.159 --> 01:09:12.279 roles and commercials have dried up. So there is again 1319 01:09:12.359 --> 01:09:16.199 that trippy nature of the matter. So he gets knocked out. 1320 01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:18.199 He's going there to look look for actually he's going 1321 01:09:18.199 --> 01:09:20.119 there to look for Puck Beaverton. Is he not because 1322 01:09:20.359 --> 01:09:24.359 on to two reasons. The reason because Puck Beaverton. 1323 01:09:24.039 --> 01:09:26.439 Is the uh, the. 1324 01:09:26.199 --> 01:09:28.920 Associate of that black Rilla family guy comes to find 1325 01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:32.399 him and at the free clinic Toreak Khalil and where 1326 01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:34.520 he's like he's right right, he's writing down because he's 1327 01:09:34.520 --> 01:09:36.680 already been told about Buck. Puck Beaverton is like not 1328 01:09:36.920 --> 01:09:40.800 hallucinating because he's multiple people are talking about Puck Beaverton, right. 1329 01:09:41.159 --> 01:09:43.279 The guy with the tattoo of the swatsika right. 1330 01:09:43.199 --> 01:09:46.319 There, Beware of the Golden thing man. 1331 01:09:47.239 --> 01:09:51.039 So she she uh, she links up with him again 1332 01:09:51.399 --> 01:09:53.640 and they become friends. 1333 01:09:53.720 --> 01:09:53.880 Right. 1334 01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:57.600 The the hooker here, Jade, and she's kind of mystical 1335 01:09:57.640 --> 01:10:00.520 guide if you will, right, you have the narrator, but 1336 01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:02.840 she's always popping up right, She's kind of like definite 1337 01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:05.319 the person kind of gotting him through that his mystic 1338 01:10:05.520 --> 01:10:06.720 and I like, I like what you're saying. 1339 01:10:06.600 --> 01:10:08.920 In the Fall. It's very it adds to the mystical 1340 01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:09.560 layer of things. 1341 01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:12.239 But we also meet Owen Wilson here too in his 1342 01:10:12.359 --> 01:10:15.399 character and the Golden Fang, because the Golden Fang also 1343 01:10:15.479 --> 01:10:17.399 exists in this kind of liminal space of is it 1344 01:10:17.439 --> 01:10:20.359 a ship, is it a team of dentists, is it 1345 01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:23.680 a you know, international drug trafficking operation, or is it 1346 01:10:23.720 --> 01:10:24.279 all all. 1347 01:10:24.239 --> 01:10:27.159 Those child trafficking Maybe. 1348 01:10:27.720 --> 01:10:30.439 Yeah, well we can't. Wouldn't you can do one without 1349 01:10:30.439 --> 01:10:31.600 the others? Here, they're going to do both. 1350 01:10:31.600 --> 01:10:34.319 I think right, right, I mean, especially the area that 1351 01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:35.399 they were sailing from. 1352 01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:39.680 Yeah, yeah, I think so. And I mean it was 1353 01:10:40.359 --> 01:10:43.800 Jade herself that claimed that, uh, the Golden Fang was 1354 01:10:43.840 --> 01:10:47.279 a drug trafficking operation, right that she that she told 1355 01:10:47.479 --> 01:10:50.600 essentially told Doc like right away when she apologizes to him, 1356 01:10:51.079 --> 01:10:51.880 what wasn't the. 1357 01:10:52.840 --> 01:10:54.960 Right because dude, he can't wrap his brain hole around 1358 01:10:55.000 --> 01:10:57.479 what the Golden Fang is, right. Because again, and that's 1359 01:10:57.479 --> 01:10:58.960 why I love that. I'll play it in a minute 1360 01:10:58.960 --> 01:11:02.199 with that clip scene, the scene and the pancake. Uh, well, 1361 01:11:02.520 --> 01:11:04.039 do you remember at the end where they're you know, 1362 01:11:04.119 --> 01:11:06.239 they're they're messing with each other bed and again it 1363 01:11:06.279 --> 01:11:08.920 speaks to them baby being the same person, and that 1364 01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:10.800 where they're both messing with each. 1365 01:11:10.600 --> 01:11:14.439 Other, the scene where they do the handoff and they 1366 01:11:14.680 --> 01:11:18.479 swap Onen Wilson out, there's two fucking obviously under eighteen 1367 01:11:18.560 --> 01:11:22.800 year old girls that like facilitate the whole thing. So 1368 01:11:22.840 --> 01:11:25.520 that's what that in my mind about childhood. 1369 01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:27.880 I don't know, I don't doubt it, sir, I don't 1370 01:11:27.960 --> 01:11:29.520 that's a good. 1371 01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:30.720 I know. 1372 01:11:30.960 --> 01:11:34.960 Uh honestly, I'm gonna have to because I didn't finish 1373 01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:37.000 it again like I wanted to get to the end 1374 01:11:37.000 --> 01:11:38.960 of it. But but I didn't quite finish it all 1375 01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:41.439 the way and I don't remember that part where where 1376 01:11:41.479 --> 01:11:43.239 the girls were oh shit. 1377 01:11:43.840 --> 01:11:46.039 Also the girl that was in the dentist off. 1378 01:11:45.920 --> 01:11:47.199 In my back, in my back. 1379 01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:51.159 I feel like I feel like I potentially uh cut 1380 01:11:51.199 --> 01:11:53.119 out too, but I'm not quite certain. 1381 01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:56.399 So when we get back from this clip, I want 1382 01:11:56.439 --> 01:11:58.000 to know before we get in front of the plot, 1383 01:11:58.159 --> 01:12:00.279 how you're all what you're all. Thoughts are on how 1384 01:12:00.279 --> 01:12:04.000 Thomas Pinshin even knew these narratives and storylines. Grant, he 1385 01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:05.840 didn't write the book until two thousand and nine, but 1386 01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:07.880 he was living in Los Angeles of this era, so 1387 01:12:07.920 --> 01:12:10.159 I have to assume that he came across some. 1388 01:12:10.159 --> 01:12:11.600 Of these folks or situations. 1389 01:12:11.600 --> 01:12:16.359 I have to think, but. 1390 01:12:16.439 --> 01:12:18.079 This is going to tell us about Jade, the Golden 1391 01:12:18.079 --> 01:12:19.600 Fang and Owen Wilson's character. 1392 01:12:20.479 --> 01:12:23.079 I can't stay out here long. This is Golden Fang territory, 1393 01:12:23.239 --> 01:12:25.520 and a Carl don't necessarily want to get into difficulties 1394 01:12:25.560 --> 01:12:26.319 with those folks. 1395 01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:32.239 Need this Golden Fang, the Golden Fang, golden thing. 1396 01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:35.359 He's not just a boat dock. She's much more than that. 1397 01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:40.760 A boat an Indo Chinese heroin cartel a vertical package. 1398 01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:43.199 They grow it, bring it in, step on it, frins 1399 01:12:43.239 --> 01:12:46.439 stateside networks of local street dealers and take a separate 1400 01:12:46.479 --> 01:12:48.119 percentage off of beach operation. 1401 01:12:48.479 --> 01:12:50.199 What I need to know is who are these friends 1402 01:12:50.239 --> 01:12:51.000 that lands for me? 1403 01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:54.079 So that's a pretty good description of it, right as 1404 01:12:54.079 --> 01:12:58.239 far as you know, is the octopus nature of it, right, 1405 01:12:58.520 --> 01:13:00.319 because then you know they go on to this right, 1406 01:13:00.399 --> 01:13:02.279 this is what I like to use as an example 1407 01:13:02.279 --> 01:13:04.439 of the whole hog effect of these this whole kind 1408 01:13:04.479 --> 01:13:06.960 of cult network is they're going to They're going to 1409 01:13:07.039 --> 01:13:09.840 profit monetarily speaking off of each step in the process, 1410 01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:13.239 literally the process, because they get them hooked on the 1411 01:13:13.239 --> 01:13:15.439 heroin which sucks the calcium out of their teeth, and 1412 01:13:15.479 --> 01:13:17.680 they get them new teeth, they send them a drug 1413 01:13:17.720 --> 01:13:21.039 rehab and rinse, wash and repeat, right exactly. 1414 01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:25.119 Yeah, I mean that is legitimately what was happening at 1415 01:13:25.279 --> 01:13:28.560 Hayte Ashbury, you know. I mean, it couldn't be more 1416 01:13:29.159 --> 01:13:33.239 accurate in terms of how that operation was ran. And 1417 01:13:33.239 --> 01:13:37.399 and these strange mk ultra operative scientists that are just 1418 01:13:37.760 --> 01:13:41.880 hanging out taking notes watching what happens, you know, kind 1419 01:13:41.920 --> 01:13:46.039 of like uh, just presiding over the experiment in a 1420 01:13:46.119 --> 01:13:50.840 certain way. But yeah, I think that the that scene 1421 01:13:51.119 --> 01:13:56.239 where where they go to this this dentist office, I 1422 01:13:56.520 --> 01:14:00.279 thought was incredible. But I also thought the scene with 1423 01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:03.800 Owen Wilson him trying to kind of like explain his 1424 01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:09.279 motivation and justify why he was like recruited essentially by 1425 01:14:09.359 --> 01:14:12.439 this vigilant citizen I think is what it was called, 1426 01:14:12.479 --> 01:14:15.399 the Vigilant California. That was the name of it, right, 1427 01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:19.000 the group that he allegedly was working for for during 1428 01:14:19.039 --> 01:14:22.640 this co intel pro layered operation that he was living 1429 01:14:22.920 --> 01:14:25.319 as far as like he claimed, what did he say? 1430 01:14:25.319 --> 01:14:28.479 He said, we were dragging each other down and just 1431 01:14:28.560 --> 01:14:31.880 explaining his sort of heroin addiction lifestyle and and how 1432 01:14:31.960 --> 01:14:35.319 much it obviously wasn't working, and the reason that he 1433 01:14:35.720 --> 01:14:39.199 sort of was justifying leaving and taking this job, which 1434 01:14:39.239 --> 01:14:43.000 to me, usually I would imagine in the real world 1435 01:14:43.079 --> 01:14:45.560 it would take like a criminal conviction of some kind 1436 01:14:45.600 --> 01:14:48.199 of like just an offense at the very least, right, 1437 01:14:48.319 --> 01:14:51.640 you get arrested, you're facing charges that are extraordinary and. 1438 01:14:51.640 --> 01:14:54.720 Then compromising position. But he describes it almost more voluntarily. 1439 01:14:54.720 --> 01:14:57.239 He's doing it for the calls, right, That's what we said, 1440 01:14:57.720 --> 01:14:59.399 there's the one who signs him up for this program. 1441 01:14:59.439 --> 01:15:02.199 So back to these kind of blue blood families. 1442 01:15:01.840 --> 01:15:06.640 Right exactly. It's so crazy because when when he says that, 1443 01:15:07.039 --> 01:15:09.560 I thought it was interesting because he definitely claims that 1444 01:15:09.680 --> 01:15:12.119 like it's moral right, he attempts to justify it in 1445 01:15:12.199 --> 01:15:14.840 ethical terms. I found very interesting because he claims that 1446 01:15:14.920 --> 01:15:18.600 the group Vigilant in California, they have money, right, They're 1447 01:15:18.600 --> 01:15:23.319 not like the Bible of thumping freaks on the beach 1448 01:15:23.359 --> 01:15:25.800 who are who are screaming at you or something is 1449 01:15:25.840 --> 01:15:28.079 the way he puts it, right, And then he explains 1450 01:15:28.119 --> 01:15:32.239 how basically he thought it was something that good to 1451 01:15:32.319 --> 01:15:33.319 do for his country. 1452 01:15:33.800 --> 01:15:34.000 Right. 1453 01:15:34.119 --> 01:15:36.960 But then he says as stupid as that sounds, like 1454 01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:39.640 he legitimately like as dumb as that sounds or something 1455 01:15:39.720 --> 01:15:42.000 like that. I think he actually addressed it in the 1456 01:15:42.039 --> 01:15:46.319 next sentence. But then he goes as far as to 1457 01:15:46.399 --> 01:15:49.680 actually question. I thought this was was very interesting because 1458 01:15:49.680 --> 01:15:54.239 he says that what he really found out was that 1459 01:15:54.439 --> 01:15:58.039 they just want to use them and and essentially keep 1460 01:15:58.159 --> 01:15:59.319 the membership in line. 1461 01:15:59.800 --> 01:16:00.000 Right. 1462 01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:02.079 He says, be right, you know, he says, keep keep 1463 01:16:02.119 --> 01:16:05.680 the herd in check, right, Yes, dude, which so it is. 1464 01:16:05.720 --> 01:16:06.800 It is social. 1465 01:16:06.520 --> 01:16:09.600 Engineering through chaotic events which we see him perpetrating as 1466 01:16:09.600 --> 01:16:13.920 a faked his death Laurel and In saxophone player from 1467 01:16:13.920 --> 01:16:16.560 a surf surf sax band or from a surf band, 1468 01:16:16.560 --> 01:16:19.680 which you know again has striking similarities to the Manson family, 1469 01:16:19.680 --> 01:16:22.680 because that's Bobby Bosley came from the Arthur Lee in 1470 01:16:22.760 --> 01:16:25.439 Love band which was could be classified in that category 1471 01:16:25.520 --> 01:16:27.079 genre of music in Laurel Canyon. 1472 01:16:27.319 --> 01:16:28.279 He was a guitar player. 1473 01:16:28.600 --> 01:16:31.479 But what's that is that the dude that wound up 1474 01:16:31.520 --> 01:16:34.479 dead off the off the the boat like he drowned 1475 01:16:34.479 --> 01:16:35.840 and it was very suspect. 1476 01:16:36.399 --> 01:16:38.319 I think you might be referring to Dennis Wilson from 1477 01:16:38.319 --> 01:16:39.800 the Beach Bah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. 1478 01:16:39.880 --> 01:16:43.479 Yeah, Bobby in prison for life sentence for the murder 1479 01:16:43.520 --> 01:16:44.279 of Gary Hintman. 1480 01:16:44.479 --> 01:16:46.640 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 1481 01:16:46.640 --> 01:16:49.159 Another drug trafficking and related situation that doesn't off to 1482 01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:51.920 get described to that. And again whether or not Bosola 1483 01:16:52.159 --> 01:16:56.600 was Kenny saying, Kenneth Thanker's boyfriend knew Keno Levey. They 1484 01:16:56.640 --> 01:16:59.479 all know each other, all these damn Satanist Nazi fuckers. 1485 01:17:00.199 --> 01:17:03.039 But you know the story is with him, they find 1486 01:17:03.039 --> 01:17:05.000 a knife that was using him as attack in his car. 1487 01:17:05.039 --> 01:17:06.880 He's sleeping on the side of the road, so much 1488 01:17:06.920 --> 01:17:07.359 like all. 1489 01:17:07.279 --> 01:17:09.239 These things again as we've seen in the film, is 1490 01:17:09.239 --> 01:17:11.920 is this reality or is it not reality? Because for 1491 01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:15.199 many folks, Owen Wilson played three different characters. Some of 1492 01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:17.119 those some of those characters that he played in this 1493 01:17:17.279 --> 01:17:20.600 real life you know world that he's LARPing in, you know, died, 1494 01:17:20.760 --> 01:17:23.119 so you know when some of these folks die around 1495 01:17:23.119 --> 01:17:25.239 these scenarios or some of these characters are playing, I 1496 01:17:25.319 --> 01:17:28.119 often wonder are we seeing some of the veil behind 1497 01:17:28.119 --> 01:17:30.560 the curtain with this plot line? And if so, like 1498 01:17:31.159 --> 01:17:33.319 where did Thomas Pynchone get these ideas? 1499 01:17:33.359 --> 01:17:35.479 What are your thoughts that are not Bill Colby? 1500 01:17:36.760 --> 01:17:40.560 I actually don't know, but if about him really in particular, 1501 01:17:40.600 --> 01:17:42.920 but you're saying he grew up in that area. 1502 01:17:43.319 --> 01:17:47.199 And well some Long Island, he's a he's he himself. 1503 01:17:47.279 --> 01:17:50.600 The pen Schones are an early oh yeah, the Pennchones 1504 01:17:50.600 --> 01:17:53.399 are in an early Massachusetts Bay family. So he his 1505 01:17:53.399 --> 01:17:55.399 his paternal line goes back to the you know, to 1506 01:17:55.439 --> 01:17:56.520 the Mayflower if you will. 1507 01:17:57.800 --> 01:17:59.600 He ended up in l a h. 1508 01:18:00.199 --> 01:18:02.840 I think he was in his forties come nineteen seventies, 1509 01:18:02.840 --> 01:18:04.439 an old man that this was one of the. 1510 01:18:04.479 --> 01:18:06.720 Last books he wrote. I think it came out in 1511 01:18:06.720 --> 01:18:10.680 two thousand and nine. I'm not just taking and so 1512 01:18:11.239 --> 01:18:14.680 he definitely it's it's like Stanley Kubrick, you didn't dream 1513 01:18:14.720 --> 01:18:20.720 that shit up. You were that in the main vein somehow. 1514 01:18:20.760 --> 01:18:23.760 Exactly that you're you're in my brain Holzer. 1515 01:18:23.920 --> 01:18:26.079 He got this information from somewhere, whether or not he 1516 01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:29.039 experienced it or in sight somehow. 1517 01:18:29.119 --> 01:18:29.359 Right. 1518 01:18:29.960 --> 01:18:32.039 But this is the guy who wrote the book, right, 1519 01:18:32.199 --> 01:18:34.439 not the director, the guy who wrote the book. 1520 01:18:34.479 --> 01:18:39.319 Okay, so think about it. He's he lived in the area. 1521 01:18:38.600 --> 01:18:41.079 And he came from Long Island too, and he's. 1522 01:18:40.840 --> 01:18:45.479 Got a thing for He's got a thing for Laurel Canyon, right, obviously, 1523 01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:47.840 you know what I was thinking, is like the only 1524 01:18:47.880 --> 01:18:53.039 other reference of someone who has split personality, dissociative identity 1525 01:18:53.079 --> 01:18:59.800 disorder whatever that was also nicknamed doc it is from 1526 01:18:59.840 --> 01:19:00.960 the Shining. 1527 01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:03.159 Oh right, oh wow. 1528 01:19:04.079 --> 01:19:06.439 And so he's obviously got a thing for like this, 1529 01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:10.760 Jack Nicholson, Laurel Canyon, the golf scene. 1530 01:19:10.960 --> 01:19:13.079 Right, definitely, so. 1531 01:19:13.199 --> 01:19:16.720 He his ma this is having the know this what 1532 01:19:16.760 --> 01:19:19.000 I'm saying. He was at the time. Oh, I'm sorry, jolly. 1533 01:19:18.840 --> 01:19:21.640 Good well, I was just saying the coincidence to me 1534 01:19:21.800 --> 01:19:25.680 to have two separate characters that are Laurel canyon Esque 1535 01:19:26.319 --> 01:19:32.079 playing dissociative identity roles Doc and Doc that's to me. 1536 01:19:32.119 --> 01:19:33.479 It's a dead gay. 1537 01:19:34.479 --> 01:19:35.279 I don't disagree. 1538 01:19:35.319 --> 01:19:36.960 And look how in the know he might have been 1539 01:19:37.000 --> 01:19:38.880 there in the scene, that is at least in June 1540 01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:41.279 of sixty six, pen shown wrote at first hand report 1541 01:19:41.720 --> 01:19:44.079 on the aftermath and legacy of the Watts riots in 1542 01:19:44.159 --> 01:19:46.680 Los Angeles, titled a Journey into the Mind of Watts, 1543 01:19:46.680 --> 01:19:48.560 So you know else is and Wats at the same 1544 01:19:48.600 --> 01:19:53.439 time the Warlocks aka the Grateful Dead, Yeah. 1545 01:19:53.079 --> 01:19:58.399 With Courtney Love's dad and the founder of Tavistock's son 1546 01:19:58.520 --> 01:20:00.560 is their music publishing company president. 1547 01:20:01.119 --> 01:20:04.159 My best friend of Jerry Garcia Won, Eric Trist, his 1548 01:20:04.239 --> 01:20:07.039 father Allan Trist, the man who wrote the paper on 1549 01:20:07.119 --> 01:20:10.560 social social engineering tactics were describing is depicting the film 1550 01:20:10.880 --> 01:20:12.479 you know, to keep the Herd in check. As you 1551 01:20:12.520 --> 01:20:15.439 were pointing out there Austin, these were developed through something 1552 01:20:15.479 --> 01:20:20.199 called social turbulence, a theory of paper written by that 1553 01:20:20.239 --> 01:20:23.399 founder of the Tavisa Allen Trist, who invaded America along 1554 01:20:23.399 --> 01:20:25.199 with the process. He went to u c l A. 1555 01:20:25.359 --> 01:20:27.560 And seems up said the framework before Johlly and West 1556 01:20:27.600 --> 01:20:28.640 arrived a few months later. 1557 01:20:29.279 --> 01:20:33.520 Wow, that's so crazy. Man, especially considered the anti Colt 1558 01:20:33.600 --> 01:20:38.319 network and and the what was it Rabbi Maurice Davis 1559 01:20:38.359 --> 01:20:41.239 and and uh Lewis, Jolly and West and these various 1560 01:20:41.239 --> 01:20:46.159 operatives that are very clearly they're they're they're tasked by 1561 01:20:46.920 --> 01:20:51.920 it seems like, you know, Sidney Gottlieb, the the Black 1562 01:20:51.960 --> 01:20:56.560 Sorcerer of m k Ultra himself. They yeah, and it 1563 01:20:56.640 --> 01:21:00.479 seems like they were sort of tasked with infant trading 1564 01:21:01.319 --> 01:21:05.600 the vast majority of these sort of one criminal cases 1565 01:21:05.640 --> 01:21:10.600 that were surrounding allegations of cult networks sort of utilizing 1566 01:21:10.680 --> 01:21:17.560 these very similar strategic just sort of just agenda items 1567 01:21:17.560 --> 01:21:20.640 that they kind of like. It very much matches exactly 1568 01:21:20.680 --> 01:21:25.000 what we've been describing. But also you consider Rabbi Mouric S. Davis, 1569 01:21:25.039 --> 01:21:29.560 who legitimately gave Jim Jones his first first of all, 1570 01:21:29.720 --> 01:21:31.920 he gave him a synagogue, but it was his first 1571 01:21:32.680 --> 01:21:36.880 sort of property where he implemented the people's temple, you know, 1572 01:21:37.000 --> 01:21:40.560 as far as like the ideology itself and the organization 1573 01:21:40.680 --> 01:21:43.479 that he created and then took to Guyana later on 1574 01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:47.800 after he moved to California. But still it's fascinating to 1575 01:21:47.880 --> 01:21:51.840 me that the individual who financed Jim Jones very first, 1576 01:21:52.439 --> 01:21:55.880 you know, Church for the People's Temple was previously a 1577 01:21:55.920 --> 01:21:59.119 synagogue ran by Rabbi Maurice Davis, who was a part 1578 01:21:59.119 --> 01:22:01.319 of the anti cult net work and a key MK 1579 01:22:01.520 --> 01:22:04.840 ultra operative along with Lewis Johny and West at the time. 1580 01:22:05.199 --> 01:22:08.520 And he was the the individual Palaine around in Kentucky 1581 01:22:08.600 --> 01:22:11.680 with with Jim Jones leading up to his prominent rise, 1582 01:22:12.039 --> 01:22:15.359 which just that to me, there's there's no way you know, 1583 01:22:15.439 --> 01:22:19.239 after you obviously follow that that story to to uh, 1584 01:22:19.560 --> 01:22:23.920 it's it's just sort of like, uh, extraordinarily detailed level 1585 01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:26.880 in terms of the evidence provided and kind of how 1586 01:22:26.920 --> 01:22:31.199 he was groomed into this this level of of becoming 1587 01:22:31.239 --> 01:22:35.560 an asset, you know, for the intelligence apparatus. So I 1588 01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:38.319 don't know, I'm very much interested in how much Doc 1589 01:22:38.640 --> 01:22:43.640 was a created, uh you know, was he legitimately just 1590 01:22:43.760 --> 01:22:47.680 a you know, a fabricated character within the context of 1591 01:22:47.720 --> 01:22:50.960 the mind of an individual character in the actual plot 1592 01:22:51.000 --> 01:22:54.039 line itself that was a kind of a spin off 1593 01:22:54.079 --> 01:22:57.920 from uh, sort of just this, So I think it 1594 01:22:57.920 --> 01:23:01.640 it could be almost a schizophrenic break that occurred due 1595 01:23:01.680 --> 01:23:05.439 to the level of involvement in the enterprise itself, which 1596 01:23:05.479 --> 01:23:08.600 you never know because you consider like the moral implications 1597 01:23:08.600 --> 01:23:10.920 of being involved in something like that and then finding 1598 01:23:10.920 --> 01:23:13.920 out what happened your partner gets murdered, uh, and then 1599 01:23:13.960 --> 01:23:16.239 all of a sudden you realize that you've been facilitating 1600 01:23:16.279 --> 01:23:20.600 a criminal enterprise that's uh, you know, sadistically abusing children 1601 01:23:20.920 --> 01:23:22.600 at a level you couldn't even comprehend. 1602 01:23:22.960 --> 01:23:25.439 And yeah, it's already affects him, right because his wife 1603 01:23:25.520 --> 01:23:27.760 already he's like, she's like, we got a doc, we 1604 01:23:27.840 --> 01:23:29.119 got a psychiatrists build. 1605 01:23:30.319 --> 01:23:34.920 That doc is a an imaginary character for for bidding. 1606 01:23:36.119 --> 01:23:36.840 I'm just saying that. 1607 01:23:36.920 --> 01:23:39.479 What I'm saying there is a theory like Austin was describing, 1608 01:23:39.479 --> 01:23:41.479 like it's a it's a fight club type theory where 1609 01:23:41.479 --> 01:23:44.119 both Tyler Dirton and you know Ed Norton's character the 1610 01:23:44.159 --> 01:23:47.359 same person. So you know, schizophrenic break. Yeah, it's kind 1611 01:23:47.359 --> 01:23:48.720 of the same in the. 1612 01:23:48.680 --> 01:23:50.720 End where he walks in and he like eats all 1613 01:23:50.760 --> 01:23:55.000 the weed off the train. Yeah, that's fucking weird exactly. 1614 01:23:55.079 --> 01:23:58.520 And you remember the scene too when after the pool 1615 01:23:58.520 --> 01:24:01.079 party right at at mike he Wolfman's place. 1616 01:24:01.119 --> 01:24:05.319 He runs out and like he runs just runs exactly 1617 01:24:05.359 --> 01:24:08.279 and then by the way, the symbolic nature of kicking 1618 01:24:08.319 --> 01:24:09.600 him while he's down. 1619 01:24:09.439 --> 01:24:14.039 Literally, Yeah, that's not interesting. You never know, right, like 1620 01:24:14.159 --> 01:24:17.479 that that does make sense, does well? 1621 01:24:17.520 --> 01:24:19.079 You also see him on that scene at the end 1622 01:24:19.199 --> 01:24:22.640 there they stand up at the time they're talking and 1623 01:24:23.680 --> 01:24:26.600 talking they say the same words, right, Yeah, that was. 1624 01:24:26.680 --> 01:24:29.279 Okay, I'm gonna have to watch this again, I know, dude, 1625 01:24:29.319 --> 01:24:31.960 I'm gonna have to finish for the seventh. Well, yeah, 1626 01:24:32.039 --> 01:24:34.680 because you could pick up if you watch that, you 1627 01:24:34.720 --> 01:24:37.439 can just pick up clues, which, by. 1628 01:24:37.319 --> 01:24:39.840 The way, I mean it's an interesting for sure, right. 1629 01:24:42.640 --> 01:24:45.119 Yeah, she's never seen Fight Club till like a month ago. 1630 01:24:45.439 --> 01:24:46.840 Yeah, I'm getting all kinds of again. 1631 01:24:47.960 --> 01:24:51.039 I heard you guys talking about covering like d M. 1632 01:24:51.159 --> 01:24:54.479 K Ultra aspect of things as well, like in a 1633 01:24:54.600 --> 01:24:57.920 in a recent project or something you're you're working on now, 1634 01:24:58.399 --> 01:25:01.079 and I wondered if you guys had waked just in 1635 01:25:01.159 --> 01:25:04.960 terms of like again, the sort of pop cultural reference 1636 01:25:05.039 --> 01:25:09.039 and introducing a conceptual notion that is far more valuable 1637 01:25:09.079 --> 01:25:11.560 than I think the general public is aware of. And 1638 01:25:11.600 --> 01:25:14.800 that being like, and again, I've I've mentioned this a 1639 01:25:14.800 --> 01:25:17.119 couple of times in like the past two weeks because 1640 01:25:17.199 --> 01:25:19.279 I made the well, probably the past week and a half, 1641 01:25:19.319 --> 01:25:23.439 because I made the mistake of watching this film called 1642 01:25:23.520 --> 01:25:26.039 Blink twice. Right, And I'm not sure if you guys 1643 01:25:26.079 --> 01:25:26.840 have seen it yet. 1644 01:25:26.920 --> 01:25:32.199 We watched that recently, Okay, I'm like, you watch it. 1645 01:25:34.000 --> 01:25:35.119 I don't remember where. 1646 01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:39.319 It's so crazy, man, I think it's on Amazon. Yeah, 1647 01:25:39.359 --> 01:25:41.159 I believe that it's free on Amazon. 1648 01:25:41.239 --> 01:25:45.039 Actually, but somebody had recommended it to us, right, Yeah, 1649 01:25:45.079 --> 01:25:48.800 it was Lola, Lola, the one we did the episode 1650 01:25:48.840 --> 01:25:52.680 withj I was actually gonna say to Austin because it 1651 01:25:52.720 --> 01:25:55.960 sounds like just based on several things you've mentioned, Mick, 1652 01:25:56.039 --> 01:26:00.720 Martin and Franklin and I don't even have to explain 1653 01:26:00.760 --> 01:26:02.079 this to you. You probably already know. 1654 01:26:02.199 --> 01:26:06.239 But in Program to Kill, they talk about because you 1655 01:26:06.319 --> 01:26:13.439 mentioned Jim Jones, how Henry Lee Lucas was somehow connected 1656 01:26:13.560 --> 01:26:20.560 with Jim Jones, and the serial killer aspect comes into 1657 01:26:20.600 --> 01:26:23.079 play with the cult aspect, and. 1658 01:26:24.520 --> 01:26:27.680 Right, they keep calling Waking In a cult leader. 1659 01:26:28.319 --> 01:26:30.600 In the movie and it's like they keep bringing up 1660 01:26:30.720 --> 01:26:34.279 like this cult mentality thing, and it's it always goes 1661 01:26:34.319 --> 01:26:40.199 hand in hand, like CIA programmed cult leaders, real killers. 1662 01:26:40.319 --> 01:26:41.680 They all know each other. 1663 01:26:42.159 --> 01:26:45.399 They're all they definitely all know each other. 1664 01:26:46.279 --> 01:26:50.000 Yeah yeah, but I mean it's it's like outlined a 1665 01:26:50.119 --> 01:26:53.000 program to kill so beautifully. I can't remember what the 1666 01:26:53.039 --> 01:26:57.600 connection is, but if you look hard enough, like you 1667 01:26:57.640 --> 01:27:00.960 wouldn't think somebody like Henry Lee Lucas would be paling 1668 01:27:01.039 --> 01:27:05.079 around with Jim Jones doing anything. But it's like somehow 1669 01:27:05.119 --> 01:27:07.159 they're connected, somehow they're friends. 1670 01:27:07.640 --> 01:27:08.640 Yeah, somehow. 1671 01:27:08.680 --> 01:27:11.560 Michael Aquino is coming up in waitness statements of Satanic 1672 01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:14.039 ritual abuse in Yukaya, California in nineteen eighty eight. 1673 01:27:14.600 --> 01:27:16.680 Brow is that with the presidio? 1674 01:27:19.000 --> 01:27:19.720 Oh, he comes up. 1675 01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:22.439 There's a lot of Satannian ritual abuse scandals in California 1676 01:27:22.439 --> 01:27:24.000 that come up with Kino there in the eighties, and 1677 01:27:24.520 --> 01:27:27.640 one of which is it in these Army CID themselves, 1678 01:27:27.680 --> 01:27:31.079 the Criminal Investigation Division, they investigated that one as well. 1679 01:27:31.119 --> 01:27:34.840 Because Yukaya basically everyone who worked in Yukaia and ran 1680 01:27:34.960 --> 01:27:37.960 businesses and ran the post office, they were all members 1681 01:27:38.000 --> 01:27:38.760 of the People's Temple. 1682 01:27:39.640 --> 01:27:43.359 Yeah, wow. Yeah, they were running the welfare programs in 1683 01:27:43.399 --> 01:27:46.319 the county. Like I didn't realize how much that infiltrated 1684 01:27:46.359 --> 01:27:49.239 the state level of like the institutional level of the 1685 01:27:49.439 --> 01:27:53.039 you know, it was insane how much he was just 1686 01:27:53.159 --> 01:27:56.920 getting like signed over to him. Like it was interesting 1687 01:27:56.960 --> 01:27:59.960 how they were targeting various individuals who were just fresh 1688 01:28:00.039 --> 01:28:04.920 shout of prison right or they they were uh you know, 1689 01:28:04.960 --> 01:28:10.520 they were experiencing some sort of extraordinary, uh traumatic just 1690 01:28:10.600 --> 01:28:13.279 sort of event in their lives and and were became 1691 01:28:13.319 --> 01:28:17.399 willing to sign over uh basically there their entire Yeah, 1692 01:28:17.479 --> 01:28:19.840 it's it's crazy, mm hmm. 1693 01:28:20.079 --> 01:28:20.399 Yeah. 1694 01:28:20.479 --> 01:28:24.520 And and then you have individuals who were allegedly there 1695 01:28:24.560 --> 01:28:27.039 in Yukaya when when they were having these and he 1696 01:28:27.079 --> 01:28:30.760 would Jim would would have these loyalty tests, especially with 1697 01:28:30.840 --> 01:28:33.479 members of the the sort of inner Circle and the 1698 01:28:33.520 --> 01:28:36.600 People's Temple, and he would uh he even claimed at 1699 01:28:36.600 --> 01:28:40.199 one point, before they ever even left California that uh 1700 01:28:40.439 --> 01:28:43.319 he he had a meeting with with sort of the 1701 01:28:43.319 --> 01:28:46.880 the leadership of the People's Temple and he was discussing 1702 01:28:46.920 --> 01:28:50.239 with them, uh the potential move. And this was before 1703 01:28:50.279 --> 01:28:52.960 all the allegations of abuse and things of that nature 1704 01:28:53.000 --> 01:28:56.720 came up because the claims were being made that he 1705 01:28:56.880 --> 01:29:00.119 was faking many of these sort of theatrical performances for 1706 01:29:00.119 --> 01:29:04.079 the People's Temple members, claiming that he's like healing individuals 1707 01:29:04.119 --> 01:29:07.880 from from cancer, throat cancer and ship and he's actually 1708 01:29:07.920 --> 01:29:11.560 forcing them to like shove chicken bones down their throats 1709 01:29:11.960 --> 01:29:14.680 and like it's super crazy. Then they cough out blood 1710 01:29:14.680 --> 01:29:17.399 and he claims he healed them, and everyone believes it 1711 01:29:17.439 --> 01:29:20.640 because due to the extraordinary level of the presentation itself 1712 01:29:20.680 --> 01:29:23.880 and the theatrical performance. But it's like. 1713 01:29:24.600 --> 01:29:25.399 Wanted to accept it. 1714 01:29:25.479 --> 01:29:27.279 You know, you want to be in the same mindsets, 1715 01:29:27.319 --> 01:29:30.600 your cult, your fellow cult members. You want to you gotta, 1716 01:29:30.720 --> 01:29:32.039 you know, you want to get too far away from 1717 01:29:32.039 --> 01:29:32.319 the herd. 1718 01:29:32.600 --> 01:29:34.880 That's part of the programming, right, That's part of the 1719 01:29:35.000 --> 01:29:41.399 m K. It's like the trauma induced miraculous cures and 1720 01:29:41.399 --> 01:29:44.640 and like God healed them and stuff like that. 1721 01:29:44.840 --> 01:29:47.800 I mean, that's all part of the m K ship exactly. 1722 01:29:48.560 --> 01:29:49.159 Trauma here. 1723 01:29:49.399 --> 01:29:52.319 This is a This is Aby that was talking about 1724 01:29:52.319 --> 01:29:56.119 regarding dichotomy of these two characters possibly even being one 1725 01:29:56.199 --> 01:30:02.640 and the trauma. But my god, quicking in on how 1726 01:30:02.640 --> 01:30:04.479 all these folks now each other? You all were making 1727 01:30:04.479 --> 01:30:07.199 some excellent points there, Sydney Gottlaby, y all didn't know 1728 01:30:07.439 --> 01:30:09.920 I bought a goat farm just down the street from 1729 01:30:09.960 --> 01:30:12.640 the Finders farm there in Virginia. 1730 01:30:12.680 --> 01:30:18.760 Of that, no, that's interesting. I wish it was a 1731 01:30:18.760 --> 01:30:19.960 pig farm for some reason. 1732 01:30:20.079 --> 01:30:20.319 Yeah. 1733 01:30:20.479 --> 01:30:22.479 Well, well, if you think about the goats though them 1734 01:30:22.560 --> 01:30:26.560 children were caught, and photographs from the Finders sacrificing. 1735 01:30:26.000 --> 01:30:27.479 Goats, I didn't wonder that. 1736 01:30:29.960 --> 01:30:33.239 The execution of Henrietta and Igor Yeah. 1737 01:30:33.560 --> 01:30:33.840 Yeah. 1738 01:30:33.920 --> 01:30:36.600 And and by the way, the the it was Charles E. 1739 01:30:36.760 --> 01:30:39.920 Marsh who had direct connections back to the formation of 1740 01:30:39.960 --> 01:30:43.239 the Federal Reserve. He was a spook himself who provided 1741 01:30:43.279 --> 01:30:46.199 all the funds necessary for Mary and David Petty to 1742 01:30:46.399 --> 01:30:50.640 purchase the hundreds of acres of farmland in Culpepper County, Virginia. 1743 01:30:51.079 --> 01:30:54.159 But that he would then call the farm, which was 1744 01:30:54.319 --> 01:30:59.039 just early near the CIA's training compound, that they called 1745 01:30:59.039 --> 01:31:00.279 the farm right, this. 1746 01:31:00.479 --> 01:31:03.680 To be near where Gottlee's up sets up his goat farm, 1747 01:31:03.520 --> 01:31:06.439 and not but not far from Bill Colby where he 1748 01:31:06.479 --> 01:31:07.880 dies there in southern. 1749 01:31:07.920 --> 01:31:11.800 They all retire there. It's so strange. Colepepper County is 1750 01:31:11.840 --> 01:31:14.560 one of the main areas where all these spooks seem 1751 01:31:14.640 --> 01:31:15.760 to at least. 1752 01:31:16.319 --> 01:31:19.760 JJ is that where Ted Bhole's family is from. 1753 01:31:21.239 --> 01:31:24.399 So Ted Bhole's mother's from Burlington, Vermont. You know his 1754 01:31:24.479 --> 01:31:27.319 biological father Bill Colby, not this but not Colby here, 1755 01:31:27.439 --> 01:31:28.640 Not that's not Bill Colby. 1756 01:31:29.279 --> 01:31:31.159 Now he's actually. 1757 01:31:30.840 --> 01:31:35.119 From Minnesota initially, but his father was a US Army colonel, 1758 01:31:35.199 --> 01:31:37.279 so they traveled a lot. That's what brought them to Burlington. 1759 01:31:37.720 --> 01:31:39.760 He became the rot C commander at the University of 1760 01:31:39.840 --> 01:31:44.560 Vermont nineteen forty one. Nineteen forty one, Yeah, because Colby 1761 01:31:44.560 --> 01:31:47.239 went his jute sophomore, junior or senior there at South 1762 01:31:47.279 --> 01:31:49.239 Burlington Hunt or Burlington High School there. 1763 01:31:49.920 --> 01:31:52.960 And that's where I looked up near books pregnant. 1764 01:31:53.960 --> 01:31:54.359 Yeah. 1765 01:31:54.399 --> 01:31:56.840 So he comes back from the war, enlists in Columbia 1766 01:31:56.960 --> 01:31:59.680 University for law school. His mom and dad are living 1767 01:31:59.680 --> 01:32:02.199 in burl Arlington at the same time, Moise in law school. 1768 01:32:02.199 --> 01:32:06.199 And suddenly during that era, you know, you know, Ted 1769 01:32:06.319 --> 01:32:08.640 Ted Bundy's mother gets knocked up by an unknown man 1770 01:32:08.640 --> 01:32:10.880 there in Burlington, Vermont, the same town where I presume 1771 01:32:11.520 --> 01:32:14.600 Bill Colby's visiting his folks on a frequent basis, because 1772 01:32:14.760 --> 01:32:16.479 that is a it's a straight shot from New York 1773 01:32:16.479 --> 01:32:18.439 City to Burlington up the highway. It's about it's about 1774 01:32:18.479 --> 01:32:20.560 six hours. I've done it a lot, but it's not 1775 01:32:20.680 --> 01:32:23.479 it's not a bad drive. But nonetheless, I don't have 1776 01:32:23.760 --> 01:32:25.960 I have documented evidences in town. I know his folks 1777 01:32:26.039 --> 01:32:29.119 are living there still, right, I know no one knows 1778 01:32:29.119 --> 01:32:32.760 who Ted Bundy's father is, So I like to say 1779 01:32:32.760 --> 01:32:35.359 it's Bill and Ted's murderous adventure because why wouldn't What 1780 01:32:35.399 --> 01:32:37.760 would be a better storyline than having the head of 1781 01:32:37.800 --> 01:32:41.039 the Phoenix program come home the Satanic serial killers, one 1782 01:32:41.079 --> 01:32:43.960 of the most prosperous ones being the biological son of 1783 01:32:43.960 --> 01:32:45.760 that man Bill Colby who brought it home. 1784 01:32:46.079 --> 01:32:48.399 And Ted ehol kind of looks like him. 1785 01:32:49.039 --> 01:32:52.680 They dude, they look they look so they look so 1786 01:32:52.880 --> 01:32:55.520 muchke Julia. Now that I just I mean, I might 1787 01:32:55.560 --> 01:32:58.039 have confirmation bias, but like, the more I look at 1788 01:32:58.039 --> 01:32:59.960 those two, I'm like, how is that not more apparent 1789 01:33:00.239 --> 01:33:00.439 to me? 1790 01:33:00.640 --> 01:33:00.960 Before? 1791 01:33:01.239 --> 01:33:05.079 I had never until he brought it up the other day, 1792 01:33:05.079 --> 01:33:06.680 I had never even thought of it. 1793 01:33:06.720 --> 01:33:10.279 They do with that like skinny bridge of the nose. 1794 01:33:10.199 --> 01:33:14.520 Like yeah, and they both because they Ted went to 1795 01:33:14.560 --> 01:33:17.399 law school and this would this would provide a context 1796 01:33:17.399 --> 01:33:20.319 for Ted's strange metiorc rise to the top of the 1797 01:33:20.359 --> 01:33:25.079 Republican Party, not just any top Nelson Rockefeller team RNC 1798 01:33:25.399 --> 01:33:26.199 top of that one. 1799 01:33:27.439 --> 01:33:32.239 Interesting, you know, I wouldn't at all be surprised if 1800 01:33:32.279 --> 01:33:35.560 there was just based on the connection of like the 1801 01:33:35.640 --> 01:33:39.800 Nazi breeding experiments and and what Carrie Thornley, who founded 1802 01:33:39.880 --> 01:33:43.720 Discordianism and was allegedly one of the according to Jim Garrison, 1803 01:33:44.399 --> 01:33:48.920 was one of the Oswald impersonators that was conducting covert 1804 01:33:48.960 --> 01:33:51.680 operations along with Oswald for a time, and that's why 1805 01:33:51.680 --> 01:33:53.840 he was stationed with him at at Sugi Air Force 1806 01:33:53.880 --> 01:33:54.479 Base and. 1807 01:33:55.880 --> 01:33:56.640 Before the fake. 1808 01:33:56.439 --> 01:33:58.800 Defend Garrison was right about that one, sir, because then 1809 01:33:58.840 --> 01:34:01.359 you see Patrick Hemming, he falls in the same category. 1810 01:34:01.399 --> 01:34:05.079 He's one of minch More Bells underlings, Castro Cubans. He 1811 01:34:05.119 --> 01:34:07.479 knew he knew Alls well at the same time. 1812 01:34:07.680 --> 01:34:10.840 Right, which, by the way, uh the Atlanta child murders 1813 01:34:10.880 --> 01:34:14.680 and the Iran contra connection there and and Wayne Williams 1814 01:34:14.720 --> 01:34:17.680 claiming that he was basically, uh, you know, set up 1815 01:34:18.560 --> 01:34:23.279 right as a plausible patsy in terms of a suspect 1816 01:34:23.319 --> 01:34:25.760 of opportunity that he was set up by the CIA 1817 01:34:26.119 --> 01:34:29.079 specifically for that purpose, and what did they utilize. This 1818 01:34:29.159 --> 01:34:32.239 all came from an eighty one hundred file which was 1819 01:34:32.279 --> 01:34:38.439 basically buried underground, and it alleges that this is all 1820 01:34:38.479 --> 01:34:42.640 based on a Georgia Bureau of Investigation a GBI wiretap 1821 01:34:42.680 --> 01:34:46.640 recordings of KKK members who were involved in fucking Iran 1822 01:34:46.800 --> 01:34:52.319 contrah were who were yeah, who were apparently conducting covert 1823 01:34:52.680 --> 01:34:56.680 drug smuggling operations through Hatsfield or Hartsfield air Force Base 1824 01:34:56.760 --> 01:35:00.359 or something or no, the international airport, I mean airport. 1825 01:35:00.399 --> 01:35:01.600 That's the name of the international airport. 1826 01:35:01.680 --> 01:35:05.840 Yeah, yeah, and Atlanta and and uh and right, right 1827 01:35:05.960 --> 01:35:08.479 and and uh and so basically that was just one 1828 01:35:08.520 --> 01:35:12.319 of the methods that they were utilizing to you know, 1829 01:35:12.439 --> 01:35:15.960 traffic drugs and then smuggle weapons of course. 1830 01:35:17.239 --> 01:35:18.560 I mean an interruption, sir. 1831 01:35:18.880 --> 01:35:21.399 This is Bill Colby's A I C I C I 1832 01:35:21.439 --> 01:35:24.800 A C I A A I bought Bill Colby, baulwasher bought. 1833 01:35:24.880 --> 01:35:26.039 He shows up every time. 1834 01:35:26.199 --> 01:35:27.840 I don't know who killed Bill Colby, but he's trying 1835 01:35:27.880 --> 01:35:30.159 to argue that murdering women and children is sufficient to 1836 01:35:30.560 --> 01:35:34.640 reason to fight stop communism. And this guy defends everything 1837 01:35:34.680 --> 01:35:36.960 Bill Colby did it's it's quite comical his r R 1838 01:35:37.079 --> 01:35:39.960 channel though, We'll say his dedication keeps me motivated. And 1839 01:35:40.039 --> 01:35:42.239 on that note, we talked about all this trauma. We 1840 01:35:42.319 --> 01:35:43.840 see that in the film with both of these main 1841 01:35:43.960 --> 01:35:46.079 characters here, right, the main character and kind of the 1842 01:35:46.399 --> 01:35:47.720 you know, maybe his double right. 1843 01:35:48.319 --> 01:35:59.520 Definitely, Man, that's so funny licking the tip to dude, 1844 01:35:59.560 --> 01:36:03.560 he he it's the tip. Oh my god, it yeah, 1845 01:36:04.199 --> 01:36:11.880 he starts licking the tip. Dude, that's so funny. Look, yeah, 1846 01:36:16.159 --> 01:36:18.000 Wakin's reaction is prices. 1847 01:36:18.520 --> 01:36:21.439 So that was that was right after he got arrested 1848 01:36:21.560 --> 01:36:23.479 for that for that incident there at the whorehouse with 1849 01:36:23.520 --> 01:36:25.319 a dead outlaw biker gang. They were trying to put 1850 01:36:25.359 --> 01:36:27.880 on him. Even though we see him walking into the facility, 1851 01:36:27.920 --> 01:36:29.600 we see all the l a p d. Guys in 1852 01:36:29.640 --> 01:36:33.079 the background coming up to murder that outlaw biker guy. Right, crazy, 1853 01:36:33.159 --> 01:36:36.239 get kind of a sneak peek into it, right, definitely. 1854 01:36:36.640 --> 01:36:40.119 But the only reason that I brought up carry carry 1855 01:36:40.119 --> 01:36:44.000 in Thornley, uh was because he claimed that he was 1856 01:36:44.159 --> 01:36:48.119 essentially a member. This is so crazy that he says 1857 01:36:48.279 --> 01:36:52.439 that he became convinced that he and Oswald were products 1858 01:36:52.479 --> 01:36:55.880 of MK Ultra and and that they were products of 1859 01:36:56.000 --> 01:36:58.800 MK Ultra in order to create a Mantrain candidate, and 1860 01:36:58.880 --> 01:37:03.600 that one of his handlers, apparently two mysterious middle aged 1861 01:37:03.680 --> 01:37:09.239 men named Gary Kerstein and Slim Brooks, and Thornley later 1862 01:37:10.000 --> 01:37:13.479 came to believe that Kirstein had in reality been senior 1863 01:37:13.640 --> 01:37:19.079 CIA officer and future Watergate burglar E. Howard Hunt, who 1864 01:37:19.199 --> 01:37:22.720 allegedly ran point in Dallas for the hit squads that 1865 01:37:22.880 --> 01:37:25.880 were in town to assassinate JFK and the murder of 1866 01:37:25.960 --> 01:37:28.840 the Killing of the King ritual and right after the 1867 01:37:28.960 --> 01:37:34.079 Dallas assassination is so funny because he goes back home 1868 01:37:34.359 --> 01:37:38.039 and he instantly uses his children as a sort of 1869 01:37:38.159 --> 01:37:41.359 alibi and gets goes to a plastic surgeon and has 1870 01:37:41.439 --> 01:37:44.560 his ears tucked right or pinned back, I mean his 1871 01:37:44.720 --> 01:37:47.479 ears pinned back because he had like very unique ears 1872 01:37:47.600 --> 01:37:50.479 and he was worried he would be identified by the 1873 01:37:50.800 --> 01:37:55.079 witnesses for being the point man on sort of the 1874 01:37:55.319 --> 01:38:00.359 Grassy Knoll during the alleged assassination where they had like 1875 01:38:00.520 --> 01:38:04.079 triangulated fire that they had specifically set up multiple hit 1876 01:38:04.159 --> 01:38:08.600 squads obviously to assassinate JFK. One even being there were 1877 01:38:08.640 --> 01:38:11.279 at least three, because one was allegedly stationed at the 1878 01:38:11.319 --> 01:38:14.520 airport because he wasn't going to leave Dallas alive. And 1879 01:38:14.760 --> 01:38:18.039 and and that they had already ran the Chicago and 1880 01:38:18.159 --> 01:38:22.000 Miami operations and even had their plausible patsies in place. 1881 01:38:22.680 --> 01:38:25.800 One of them seemed to very much a match this 1882 01:38:26.000 --> 01:38:29.960 same character profile of one in Lee Harvey Oswald, let 1883 01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:32.680 alone the fact that Lee Harvey Oswald is at a 1884 01:38:33.600 --> 01:38:40.399 a a party right like leading up to the assassination 1885 01:38:40.520 --> 01:38:44.000 in Dallas, like within a few days prior to the assassination. 1886 01:38:44.920 --> 01:38:48.600 I believe it was Clint Murchison Junior set up the party, 1887 01:38:48.760 --> 01:38:51.640 but his father, Clint Murchison Senior, I believe he owned 1888 01:38:51.680 --> 01:38:54.439 like the Cleveland Browns or some some I forget which 1889 01:38:54.880 --> 01:38:58.880 NFL team that he actually owned friends with with Lyndon Johnson, 1890 01:38:59.279 --> 01:39:01.880 and and he was hosting a party himself with Lyndon 1891 01:39:01.960 --> 01:39:05.319 Johnson that night, and multiple other figures that played prominently 1892 01:39:05.439 --> 01:39:10.039 into the assassination as far as being architects right, but 1893 01:39:10.159 --> 01:39:13.199 his son was was hosting a party the very same 1894 01:39:13.319 --> 01:39:15.239 night with Lee Harvey Oswald. 1895 01:39:16.279 --> 01:39:17.199 The officer J. D. 1896 01:39:17.479 --> 01:39:25.239 Tippett and Jack fucking Ruby are all at the same party, right, 1897 01:39:25.560 --> 01:39:29.520 hanging out with Heidi Reichen, which is so crazy. Who 1898 01:39:29.560 --> 01:39:32.319 she comes up later on in Watergate because she sets 1899 01:39:32.399 --> 01:39:36.720 up the Columbia Plaza prostitution operation in the Watergate complex 1900 01:39:36.960 --> 01:39:38.640 which housed the DNC at the time. 1901 01:39:39.159 --> 01:39:42.159 And and there was a private communication too. 1902 01:39:42.960 --> 01:39:47.279 Yeah, and it all lines up with with the Hunt 1903 01:39:47.439 --> 01:39:49.600 was talking, you know, the guy you were describing as slim, 1904 01:39:49.760 --> 01:39:53.239 slim shady there with the with mister Karen Thornley, which 1905 01:39:53.279 --> 01:39:54.359 he he himself. 1906 01:39:54.079 --> 01:39:55.119 Is quite shady. 1907 01:39:55.199 --> 01:39:58.319 Is I agree with a lot of Garrison's conclusions. I 1908 01:39:58.359 --> 01:40:00.199 think Garrison was on a lot more stuff that he 1909 01:40:00.319 --> 01:40:01.760 was there. 1910 01:40:01.840 --> 01:40:04.800 Because you've got to let me show. 1911 01:40:04.680 --> 01:40:07.159 You this picture just for the sake of bringing up 1912 01:40:07.319 --> 01:40:13.359 the Nazi breeding experiments, Lee Harvey Oswald potentially being a 1913 01:40:13.479 --> 01:40:15.800 part of this because no one can really kind of 1914 01:40:15.960 --> 01:40:19.439 kind of but they no one can seem to acknowledge 1915 01:40:19.439 --> 01:40:21.840 who his father really is. And and this is very 1916 01:40:21.920 --> 01:40:25.199 interesting and in terms of the claims that were made 1917 01:40:25.279 --> 01:40:31.000 by by you know, Carrie Thornley, because this is fascinating 1918 01:40:31.079 --> 01:40:35.520 to me. Again it's as far as becoming uh he 1919 01:40:35.680 --> 01:40:39.800 even names right the the member of the SS that 1920 01:40:39.880 --> 01:40:43.479 he believes to have been uh, the father, and I 1921 01:40:43.560 --> 01:40:47.239 believe it was Admiral Carl Donnets. That's what they claim. 1922 01:40:47.800 --> 01:40:51.439 And this is fascinating stuff because he began to suspect 1923 01:40:51.520 --> 01:40:54.680 that his parents were Nazi spies that involved him in 1924 01:40:54.760 --> 01:40:59.119 this Mancharean candidate program. And again he he creates Discordianism 1925 01:40:59.279 --> 01:41:03.560 and a cult, this sort of ideological doctrine that is then, 1926 01:41:04.439 --> 01:41:06.359 you know, implemented at this new age level. 1927 01:41:06.439 --> 01:41:09.119 And it's essentially an officer to the process though, right, 1928 01:41:09.159 --> 01:41:11.359 because when Jim Garrison's doing his grand jury. 1929 01:41:11.159 --> 01:41:12.720 In sixty eight, the process is there. 1930 01:41:13.119 --> 01:41:16.239 They've already he's already onto the process because they've hired 1931 01:41:16.279 --> 01:41:19.479 Tommy Jude Baumler as their attorney and he's already investigated 1932 01:41:19.560 --> 01:41:20.920 Juw Bomber for the JFK stuff. 1933 01:41:21.520 --> 01:41:22.520 Yeah, and he was. 1934 01:41:22.920 --> 01:41:26.319 So do you remember that when we did that episode 1935 01:41:26.359 --> 01:41:28.680 we did and I told you that Lee Harvey Oswald 1936 01:41:28.720 --> 01:41:32.720 befriended that pedophile guy that was living in California who 1937 01:41:32.800 --> 01:41:33.880 murdered all the boys. 1938 01:41:33.960 --> 01:41:39.159 His name is Patrick Kearney. You remember that they Patrick 1939 01:41:39.239 --> 01:41:42.159 Kearney murdered like one hundred and twenty young boys and 1940 01:41:42.399 --> 01:41:45.800 raped him, disemboweled him. And he said that he became 1941 01:41:45.880 --> 01:41:48.560 friends with Lee Harvey Oswald when they were doing like 1942 01:41:48.760 --> 01:41:53.920 top secret operations, some type of language school or something 1943 01:41:54.000 --> 01:42:00.319 like that. You remember, yep, yeah, yeah, I actually read 1944 01:42:00.359 --> 01:42:02.199 this book. I don't know if you made it to 1945 01:42:02.279 --> 01:42:06.319 this chapter, but it talks about the multiple Oswald theory 1946 01:42:07.159 --> 01:42:08.640 and how there was that's. 1947 01:42:08.520 --> 01:42:11.359 From the Warren Commission that no one pays attention to it. 1948 01:42:11.439 --> 01:42:15.720 That's from the Warren Commission. The Warren Commission inadvertently identified 1949 01:42:15.800 --> 01:42:19.000 numerous children growing up across town from each other named 1950 01:42:19.079 --> 01:42:20.600 Lee Harvey Oswald and Harvey D. 1951 01:42:20.760 --> 01:42:21.239 Oswald. 1952 01:42:21.479 --> 01:42:23.479 But no one pays attention to that component of it. 1953 01:42:23.960 --> 01:42:26.520 Multi they even they obviously didn't pay attention to their 1954 01:42:26.520 --> 01:42:28.960 own summary of it, to be fair, but nonetheless. 1955 01:42:28.520 --> 01:42:31.560 The investigation it's very interesting though. 1956 01:42:31.560 --> 01:42:34.880 If anybody has time to look into the multiple Oswald theory, 1957 01:42:35.680 --> 01:42:38.520 it's it's pretty wild. 1958 01:42:39.199 --> 01:42:39.840 No, I agree. 1959 01:42:40.000 --> 01:42:43.760 And speaking of Patrick Kirty and the Monterey Institute where 1960 01:42:44.119 --> 01:42:48.159 Oswald was doing his language training as well, May Brussels 1961 01:42:49.119 --> 01:42:50.800 was there at the same time. She lived in Monterey 1962 01:42:50.840 --> 01:42:53.880 area there, Carmel by the Bay there and she she 1963 01:42:54.319 --> 01:42:56.960 she remembers picking up a hippie man dress is a 1964 01:42:57.039 --> 01:42:59.800 hippie that she later saw on the naval base there 1965 01:43:00.359 --> 01:43:01.840 as at the Language Institute. 1966 01:43:01.840 --> 01:43:05.199 So this is a good example of this late sixties era. 1967 01:43:05.319 --> 01:43:08.680 We're talking about the infiltration of spooks into this countercultural movement, 1968 01:43:08.880 --> 01:43:12.079 or it seems the entire creation of the kind of 1969 01:43:12.119 --> 01:43:14.640 culture movement by spooks, and then they all just keep 1970 01:43:14.680 --> 01:43:18.239 it moving together almost you know, as you know, as 1971 01:43:18.279 --> 01:43:21.880 a biological system just keeps functioning, almost like protects itself. 1972 01:43:21.960 --> 01:43:23.600 It's in some regard, right, it's the. 1973 01:43:25.279 --> 01:43:29.439 Society of Cincinnati. But you're always bringing up JJ. Yes, ma'am, 1974 01:43:29.479 --> 01:43:31.640 I literally wait. 1975 01:43:31.479 --> 01:43:34.000 Who is I'm gonna have to do an episode ony. 1976 01:43:34.319 --> 01:43:35.920 I'm glad you said that, So I'm I have to 1977 01:43:35.960 --> 01:43:37.920 look more into this, Austin. I'm into the idea. But 1978 01:43:38.039 --> 01:43:40.439 we we do know for a fact that Berry Seal 1979 01:43:41.000 --> 01:43:44.720 and Lee Harvey Oswald we are in the same who 1980 01:43:44.720 --> 01:43:47.119 what we're saying as far as same Silver Patrol you know, 1981 01:43:47.199 --> 01:43:49.399 as as fifth fourteen to fifteen year old. So what 1982 01:43:49.439 --> 01:43:51.079 we're saying here is a breeding around we already have, 1983 01:43:51.479 --> 01:43:53.880 you know, exhibited in that. However, I have to look 1984 01:43:53.880 --> 01:43:56.119 into this lineage. I'm interested in it because Berry Seal 1985 01:43:56.279 --> 01:43:59.239 is a descendant from Captain William Seal the North Carolina 1986 01:43:59.359 --> 01:44:03.199 chapter This is of Cincinnati, and Lee Harvey Oswald's the 1987 01:44:03.479 --> 01:44:06.479 third great grandson of Joseph ols Well, a major in 1988 01:44:06.600 --> 01:44:09.600 the Georgia chapter of the Society of Cincinnati. The Secret 1989 01:44:09.640 --> 01:44:13.720 Society started America. So I'm the idea. But it's interesting 1990 01:44:13.800 --> 01:44:16.439 we see those kind of uh, this this, Those are 1991 01:44:16.479 --> 01:44:18.359 the folks I would expect to be in these programs. 1992 01:44:18.359 --> 01:44:20.199 I guess what I'm saying as well, so we see 1993 01:44:20.239 --> 01:44:21.039 it being exhibited. 1994 01:44:21.159 --> 01:44:25.720 Jackie actually as in Society of Cincinnati. Because this is 1995 01:44:25.920 --> 01:44:28.199 my theory. Colby didn't think of it at all. He 1996 01:44:28.279 --> 01:44:31.520 has no idea about it. But have you ever heard 1997 01:44:31.720 --> 01:44:35.079 that Jackie actually shock Kennedy? 1998 01:44:35.840 --> 01:44:37.640 Oh my god, final head bluff. 1999 01:44:38.000 --> 01:44:38.760 I have heard that. 2000 01:44:39.039 --> 01:44:41.760 I haven't read that Colby's theory, but I'll have him 2001 01:44:41.800 --> 01:44:42.960 tell it's not my theory. 2002 01:44:43.520 --> 01:44:47.399 I just watched the fucking film and that's I watched 2003 01:44:47.439 --> 01:44:51.800 this Mandela Effect documentary where they show that she fucking 2004 01:44:51.880 --> 01:44:55.239 reaches under his chin, that spray goes straight up, and 2005 01:44:55.239 --> 01:44:58.000 then she drops something metallic behind the scene. But since then, 2006 01:44:58.039 --> 01:45:02.039 I even't think that footage is really well, yeah, I 2007 01:45:02.079 --> 01:45:02.640 don't think. 2008 01:45:02.800 --> 01:45:04.760 It's That's what I'm saying, dude, it's not really I 2009 01:45:04.840 --> 01:45:05.319 think uh. 2010 01:45:06.560 --> 01:45:09.119 I think writer Lee Over in his jfk X documentary 2011 01:45:09.119 --> 01:45:11.239 did a great job buring out the issues with that. 2012 01:45:11.359 --> 01:45:14.279 I mean, on its face, it's another circumstance, but represent 2013 01:45:14.600 --> 01:45:17.079 it's it's interesting who tells these narratives. So again, like 2014 01:45:17.319 --> 01:45:20.399 like matters with the demands story, right, we get Adam 2015 01:45:20.479 --> 01:45:23.840 go Rightley, who's the chief discordian now and again Discordianism 2016 01:45:23.920 --> 01:45:26.039 of Kerry Thornley, I would argue, is part of the 2017 01:45:26.079 --> 01:45:29.359 same British invasion as the process which he had machinations 2018 01:45:29.399 --> 01:45:33.000 within sixty eight and norms when they got there. Because Thornley, 2019 01:45:33.079 --> 01:45:37.079 the rest of Thornley's family tree all British invasion Mormons 2020 01:45:37.159 --> 01:45:40.399 under their era of Brigham Young, they all came to 2021 01:45:40.479 --> 01:45:43.399 America when it was not America. They came to Desret, 2022 01:45:43.840 --> 01:45:47.279 the Mormon nation of Deserret from England. So we see 2023 01:45:47.279 --> 01:45:48.039 the same kind. 2024 01:45:47.880 --> 01:45:51.840 Of aspect that they named their second hand close store 2025 01:45:51.920 --> 01:45:53.760 the Deseret Industries. 2026 01:45:54.199 --> 01:45:56.720 And yeah they name their paper the Deseret you know, 2027 01:45:56.760 --> 01:46:00.479 the Desert News as well. So yeah, so breaking me 2028 01:46:00.520 --> 01:46:02.640 Young when he took over and took the Mormons out west, 2029 01:46:02.680 --> 01:46:05.720 the first thing he did was call the MI six 2030 01:46:05.920 --> 01:46:08.800 is chief spy there James Bond of the mid nineteenth 2031 01:46:08.840 --> 01:46:12.159 century for a meeting. So in eighteen fifty two, it's literally, 2032 01:46:12.199 --> 01:46:14.359 I mean again, we see the machinations of the British 2033 01:46:14.399 --> 01:46:17.800 invasion continuing to circle around these same aspects. Because it's 2034 01:46:17.880 --> 01:46:21.840 my opinion, based upon the Processed Church's own corporate documents, 2035 01:46:22.560 --> 01:46:24.720 that the corem of the seventy that's outlined in those 2036 01:46:24.760 --> 01:46:27.479 corporate documents is the Mormons com of the seventy, which 2037 01:46:27.520 --> 01:46:30.239 is their main organizational structure of the Mothership in Salt 2038 01:46:30.279 --> 01:46:30.880 Lake City. 2039 01:46:31.039 --> 01:46:33.359 Which we provide context of why they're in cannop Utah 2040 01:46:33.399 --> 01:46:33.960 today as well. 2041 01:46:35.479 --> 01:46:37.600 Interesting, So we see that. 2042 01:46:37.600 --> 01:46:41.000 All with Thornley, We see the Mormons, we see the process. Yes, ma'am, well, 2043 01:46:41.039 --> 01:46:41.319 I was. 2044 01:46:41.319 --> 01:46:43.159 Just gonna say they practice. I don't know if you 2045 01:46:43.279 --> 01:46:46.319 watched Under the Banner of Heaven, but that's when I 2046 01:46:46.439 --> 01:46:50.039 learned about blood atonement and shit, and that's like, I 2047 01:46:50.119 --> 01:46:52.720 don't care what you say, that shit is like straight 2048 01:46:52.800 --> 01:46:53.760 up demonic. 2049 01:46:55.359 --> 01:46:58.239 Yeah, that's some fundamentalist views. So you have your fundamentalist 2050 01:46:58.279 --> 01:47:01.159 Mormon sex that they don't skew the original theology. 2051 01:47:01.199 --> 01:47:01.600 If you will. 2052 01:47:01.680 --> 01:47:04.039 But and I think some of that stuff again falls 2053 01:47:04.039 --> 01:47:06.000 within some of these elements of these cultus we still 2054 01:47:06.039 --> 01:47:09.520 see today because a lot of those uh Aryan Nazi 2055 01:47:09.560 --> 01:47:12.920 folks in northern Idaho started off as Mormon fundamentalists, you know, 2056 01:47:13.039 --> 01:47:15.000 so we see a lot of imaginations around these kind 2057 01:47:15.000 --> 01:47:18.520 of same activities. But Thornley is a great example of 2058 01:47:18.560 --> 01:47:21.119 another guy with the Language Institute kind of connections with 2059 01:47:21.159 --> 01:47:24.039 the spooky operations, and we see more and more of 2060 01:47:24.079 --> 01:47:27.800 these examples of the you know, infiltration of these movements, 2061 01:47:27.840 --> 01:47:30.319 and we see that with Owen Wilson's character. We see 2062 01:47:30.359 --> 01:47:32.600 that to a certain extent with Dox Sportello. You know, 2063 01:47:32.680 --> 01:47:35.039 he's not as you know, a Quen Phoenix is not 2064 01:47:35.079 --> 01:47:38.439 as openly infiltrating these places, but he's obviously infiltrating all 2065 01:47:38.479 --> 01:47:39.560 these different places. 2066 01:47:39.920 --> 01:47:42.720 They're making it think, making him think it's his idea 2067 01:47:43.000 --> 01:47:47.640 right right the way he's being led by a carrot 2068 01:47:47.680 --> 01:47:47.880 on a. 2069 01:47:49.880 --> 01:47:51.079 See docs. 2070 01:47:54.800 --> 01:47:54.960 You know. 2071 01:47:55.039 --> 01:47:57.640 Another one of my favorite scenes is where the Nazi 2072 01:47:57.760 --> 01:48:00.640 guy finally has him in the office and they does 2073 01:48:00.720 --> 01:48:04.000 him with PCP and his j and then he shoots 2074 01:48:04.439 --> 01:48:05.880 shoots him. He's like, did they hit you? 2075 01:48:06.600 --> 01:48:09.319 Yeah, I have that clip up here, sir, But I 2076 01:48:09.359 --> 01:48:12.600 figured and chronologically speaking, once he gets introduced to this 2077 01:48:12.680 --> 01:48:15.640 Golden Fang situation, he starts seeing these disparate elements of 2078 01:48:15.720 --> 01:48:19.000 this mystery. He's being surrounded by ya Queen Phoenix. He 2079 01:48:19.119 --> 01:48:21.600 finds himself at the headquarters of the Golden Fang talking 2080 01:48:21.680 --> 01:48:27.239 to uh old doctor Rudy blatnoid here right, Yeah, man, 2081 01:48:31.000 --> 01:48:31.760 creepy dentist. 2082 01:48:32.000 --> 01:48:35.359 You promised me, you did you not promise? 2083 01:48:35.520 --> 01:48:40.279 She has a strange familial connection too, huh within the discontext. 2084 01:48:41.880 --> 01:48:47.279 A greedy little hippie. The greedy little hippie. So they're 2085 01:48:47.479 --> 01:48:50.960 they're getting the pure China white, as they explained to me. 2086 01:48:51.640 --> 01:48:56.319 Unusually high density and often incoherence. Her father, Crocker, also 2087 01:48:56.439 --> 01:48:58.479 known as the Dark Prince of Pallace. 2088 01:48:58.159 --> 01:49:01.359 Fair Days, was a there you go that her father 2089 01:49:01.560 --> 01:49:05.319 is the Dark Prince of Pallas Verdays. Yeah, that's so crazy. 2090 01:49:05.359 --> 01:49:06.279 That's so close to me. 2091 01:49:07.439 --> 01:49:10.640 Very powerful attorney right in there, and we see him 2092 01:49:10.680 --> 01:49:13.720 later in the machinations of of of representing this entire 2093 01:49:13.760 --> 01:49:17.000 occult drug trafficking Golden fing network. But what I thought 2094 01:49:17.079 --> 01:49:19.239 was interesting there is there was a man, a lawyer 2095 01:49:19.319 --> 01:49:22.079 there in Los Angeles that helped Charles Manson numerous times 2096 01:49:22.520 --> 01:49:24.560 when he got out of Terminal Island in sixty seven 2097 01:49:25.039 --> 01:49:28.760 when he was sew Philip Kaufman and when he when 2098 01:49:28.760 --> 01:49:30.359 he was running that Star talent ag and see he 2099 01:49:30.439 --> 01:49:32.600 got into some some some skirmishes and. 2100 01:49:32.600 --> 01:49:33.359 Troubles with the law. 2101 01:49:33.479 --> 01:49:36.600 And there was a guy out of Pacific, not not 2102 01:49:36.760 --> 01:49:40.319 palace verdes Pacific Palisades, but a very power attorney of 2103 01:49:40.359 --> 01:49:43.640 a blue blood nature. Because we call them Crocker Crocker Fenway. 2104 01:49:43.680 --> 01:49:46.640 I mean that sounds as old East Coast what as 2105 01:49:46.680 --> 01:49:47.199 it gets right? 2106 01:49:47.800 --> 01:49:48.000 Yeah? 2107 01:49:48.239 --> 01:49:48.880 Absolutely? 2108 01:49:49.239 --> 01:49:49.560 Did you. 2109 01:49:51.520 --> 01:49:54.520 Uh did you ever come across that Danny trey Hoe 2110 01:49:54.600 --> 01:49:57.960 connection to to Charles Manson? I thought it was so 2111 01:49:58.159 --> 01:49:59.960 funny dude, as far as when. 2112 01:49:59.880 --> 01:50:02.560 He absolutely, and if I if I can just give 2113 01:50:02.560 --> 01:50:04.720 you you can introduce this to that one, I give 2114 01:50:04.760 --> 01:50:07.840 you quick scientology connect to that. So trey Hoo is 2115 01:50:07.960 --> 01:50:11.560 the first cousins with Robert Rodriguez and him and Quentin 2116 01:50:11.600 --> 01:50:14.439 Tarantino have way too first cousins. 2117 01:50:14.880 --> 01:50:17.159 I don't know that, and I love that's why he 2118 01:50:17.199 --> 01:50:18.439 got casting all them films. 2119 01:50:19.199 --> 01:50:19.920 That makes sense. 2120 01:50:20.039 --> 01:50:22.800 But the knife guy, that's that's the one. 2121 01:50:23.119 --> 01:50:25.159 I'll be honest, I was a big fan of the 2122 01:50:25.239 --> 01:50:28.279 Grindhouse films whenever they came out, right like, those were fun. 2123 01:50:28.359 --> 01:50:32.720 That's what got start right and Robert Rodriguez, man, I 2124 01:50:32.800 --> 01:50:35.640 mean from From Dust Till Dawn, I mean, I absolutely 2125 01:50:35.720 --> 01:50:38.800 love that movie, right, just as far as the Cheat right. 2126 01:50:39.640 --> 01:50:42.479 Well, he also casted Quentin Tarantino as himself. 2127 01:50:42.920 --> 01:50:44.399 Yeah, who's just sucking off. 2128 01:50:46.840 --> 01:50:50.319 And he's about the younger girls. I mean, dude. Quin 2129 01:50:50.439 --> 01:50:52.920 Tarantino pulls defense for Polanski. 2130 01:50:53.640 --> 01:50:56.960 Oh yeah, and I mean dude all the time, dude 2131 01:50:57.079 --> 01:50:57.840 all the time. 2132 01:50:58.720 --> 01:50:59.600 The party girls. 2133 01:51:00.439 --> 01:51:01.439 Yeah, he's happy to even. 2134 01:51:01.319 --> 01:51:02.720 Bring it up when you're not bring He's worse than 2135 01:51:02.760 --> 01:51:04.560 Anthony wien or who's going around saying he should never 2136 01:51:04.600 --> 01:51:05.439 have been charged for anything. 2137 01:51:05.479 --> 01:51:06.920 I'm like, oh my god, you saw that. 2138 01:51:08.640 --> 01:51:11.039 That was so funny, dude. But what about Candace? She said, 2139 01:51:11.119 --> 01:51:13.600 Harvey Weinstein is perfectly innocent. 2140 01:51:13.680 --> 01:51:14.119 He didn't do it. 2141 01:51:15.520 --> 01:51:16.640 He's stepping in line. 2142 01:51:18.319 --> 01:51:21.000 They all do. I swear, she serves my ship, care 2143 01:51:21.119 --> 01:51:21.920 and purpose on things. 2144 01:51:21.960 --> 01:51:22.199 Nothing. 2145 01:51:22.279 --> 01:51:22.720 She's old. 2146 01:51:22.800 --> 01:51:25.760 Candas everybody tell me right now that you're you're on 2147 01:51:26.560 --> 01:51:28.479 the same track as I am. And as far as 2148 01:51:28.560 --> 01:51:33.520 you guys, your interpretation of the Nick Flints and Candace 2149 01:51:33.600 --> 01:51:36.720 Owens and Tucker Carlson. Oh my god, they're all feuding 2150 01:51:37.119 --> 01:51:40.239 in reality, it's just a way to like coexist and 2151 01:51:40.399 --> 01:51:43.880 push each other up into into prominence in a way. 2152 01:51:44.000 --> 01:51:46.880 Absolutely, they're going to bring Alex Jones for the last 2153 01:51:47.079 --> 01:51:48.039 you know, the last uh. 2154 01:51:52.399 --> 01:51:55.000 W w e with these fucking alternative media. 2155 01:51:56.640 --> 01:51:59.760 Yeah, absolutely, dude, absolutely absolutely. 2156 01:52:00.479 --> 01:52:04.960 Now so I think in regards oh well that, yeah, 2157 01:52:05.000 --> 01:52:09.960 that's not happening, that Peter steal if that happened. Right, So, 2158 01:52:10.159 --> 01:52:12.319 we see one of my favorite scenes in the film. 2159 01:52:12.359 --> 01:52:15.159 We see is the ongoing again the ongoing conflict between 2160 01:52:15.199 --> 01:52:19.760 big Foot Biornson there in jo Quin Phoenix's character Dox Sportello, 2161 01:52:19.880 --> 01:52:22.359 but in regards to big Fitt Bjornson in this whole 2162 01:52:22.399 --> 01:52:26.159 Polanski situation. So it was Philip van Atter, the lead 2163 01:52:26.239 --> 01:52:30.000 detective on oj the rookie cop at the scene of 2164 01:52:30.039 --> 01:52:32.279 the Tate Polanski house there in sixty nine. He was 2165 01:52:32.319 --> 01:52:35.399 on scene there, in fact, the first officer on see 2166 01:52:35.399 --> 01:52:39.119 at Tate Polanski Richard Wally, the first officer on scene 2167 01:52:39.119 --> 01:52:42.800 at Nicole Brown Simpson Ron Goldman scene, Richard Wally, Philip 2168 01:52:42.880 --> 01:52:45.039 van Atter was the lead detective there Philip Vanatter was 2169 01:52:45.399 --> 01:52:47.880 second on scene with Richard Wally at Tate Polanski back 2170 01:52:47.880 --> 01:52:51.319 in sixty nine, but in seventy seven it was old 2171 01:52:51.399 --> 01:52:54.880 Philip van Atter. Full disclosure, he and I aren't ken Folk, 2172 01:52:54.960 --> 01:52:57.239 but we have common Kenfolk because the van Atter is 2173 01:52:57.239 --> 01:53:00.840 also hailed from Logan County, West Virginia. And when you 2174 01:53:01.119 --> 01:53:04.800 when you mentioned, uh, what the Franklin scandal that also 2175 01:53:04.920 --> 01:53:07.239 goes back to Logan County, West Virginia with Henry Vensent, 2176 01:53:07.399 --> 01:53:10.319 he's from, He's from and still resides today in Logan County, 2177 01:53:10.359 --> 01:53:11.199 West Virginia. 2178 01:53:11.359 --> 01:53:14.800 You think, yeah, do you think he was given an 2179 01:53:14.800 --> 01:53:18.920 offer he couldn't refuse and and essentially took his own 2180 01:53:18.960 --> 01:53:22.279 life or do you think that was the the layer 2181 01:53:22.640 --> 01:53:25.640 just like kind of explanation. 2182 01:53:25.319 --> 01:53:27.159 For Oh, I guess, I'm I guess I'm behind the 2183 01:53:27.199 --> 01:53:28.239 times Henry Vensent died. 2184 01:53:29.479 --> 01:53:32.359 Oh, I'm thinking Craig Spence. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. The 2185 01:53:32.560 --> 01:53:37.800 actual connection, the intelligence connection to to Henry Vincent's network. 2186 01:53:37.920 --> 01:53:41.600 But yeah, I heard old Vincent was still he's good, 2187 01:53:41.640 --> 01:53:42.000 he's good. 2188 01:53:42.399 --> 01:53:42.600 Yeah. 2189 01:53:43.039 --> 01:53:44.800 I think they took Spence out personally. 2190 01:53:45.039 --> 01:53:47.399 Yeah, that's oh, yeah, it was very convenient timing for 2191 01:53:47.479 --> 01:53:47.760 all of that. 2192 01:53:48.000 --> 01:53:50.840 Right, that guy would have talked, I guarantee you if 2193 01:53:50.840 --> 01:53:52.279 they would have got him alone in her room. 2194 01:53:53.239 --> 01:53:56.159 Same as same as Debus Gene Palfrey, right who the 2195 01:53:56.439 --> 01:53:59.880 the DC madam who well she was involved with, like 2196 01:54:00.039 --> 01:54:05.239 like uh, Todd Palin, who was essentially during Sarah Palin's 2197 01:54:05.279 --> 01:54:08.039 bid for the White House was there. There were these 2198 01:54:08.079 --> 01:54:10.439 investigations that were being conducted prior to all of that, 2199 01:54:10.880 --> 01:54:14.960 and during uh, that process, Todd Palin was sort of 2200 01:54:15.039 --> 01:54:18.720 exposed as being affiliated with this sexual black male human 2201 01:54:18.760 --> 01:54:21.760 compromise operation with a with a madam prostitution. 2202 01:54:23.520 --> 01:54:27.159 Yes, and and uh it directly that book still stealed. 2203 01:54:27.800 --> 01:54:29.840 That book still steal They threw the federal judge off 2204 01:54:29.880 --> 01:54:32.720 the court the bench, I believe ever ever exactly. 2205 01:54:32.960 --> 01:54:35.159 That's why she died of the worst case of suicide 2206 01:54:35.199 --> 01:54:37.359 you've ever seen. And she claimed prior to that that 2207 01:54:37.560 --> 01:54:40.279 obviously she would never kill herself and that if anything 2208 01:54:40.359 --> 01:54:43.159 happened to her that you questioned the outcome. And uh 2209 01:54:43.199 --> 01:54:45.720 and nobody has done this obviously except for people like 2210 01:54:45.840 --> 01:54:49.439 Nick Bryant or or individuals like us that are obviously 2211 01:54:50.000 --> 01:54:53.199 that they they claimed that were schizophrenic, You know what 2212 01:54:53.279 --> 01:54:53.520 I mean? 2213 01:54:53.800 --> 01:54:57.279 Basically, you bring us some good points as far as 2214 01:54:57.359 --> 01:54:58.840 the whole Franklin scandal business. 2215 01:54:59.520 --> 01:55:02.000 Good. Oh, go ahead, ma'am, go ahead, the. 2216 01:55:02.039 --> 01:55:04.520 One who died with jump stuff. 2217 01:55:05.880 --> 01:55:12.720 Virginia Yeah, old least Sea by the way, I'm telling 2218 01:55:12.760 --> 01:55:16.079 you right now. And and I got uh, I got 2219 01:55:16.199 --> 01:55:19.960 some strange like pushback on on Fiona Barnett and eyes 2220 01:55:20.000 --> 01:55:23.920 wide open. I'm not sure if you guys are are like, 2221 01:55:24.239 --> 01:55:26.960 are aware of that book or or some of the 2222 01:55:27.319 --> 01:55:30.439 allegations that she had made with Detective James Rothstein that 2223 01:55:30.520 --> 01:55:32.720 she at the very least she had a relationship with 2224 01:55:33.359 --> 01:55:37.359 It made me consider at the very least what she was, 2225 01:55:37.640 --> 01:55:41.119 you know, claiming to be the case. But but it's 2226 01:55:41.239 --> 01:55:46.560 just like, man, honestly, I could understand a world where 2227 01:55:46.800 --> 01:55:50.840 where where she was given the Virginia Jeffrey treatment and 2228 01:55:51.159 --> 01:55:54.039 essentially they undermined her credibility in a way that was 2229 01:55:54.560 --> 01:55:57.439 that was just perfectly convenient for the moment and time. 2230 01:55:57.560 --> 01:56:02.439 Obviously in terms of the epstein A disclosure, guys right 2231 01:56:02.560 --> 01:56:06.640 then and the transparency the most transparent governments and administration 2232 01:56:06.840 --> 01:56:09.439 in American history, as we're intended. 2233 01:56:09.079 --> 01:56:12.479 To believe, right And I think that's what you're pointing out, sir, 2234 01:56:12.600 --> 01:56:14.960 is what I like to say is why would you 2235 01:56:15.039 --> 01:56:18.039 understand who's giving us these messages, what their motivations and 2236 01:56:18.119 --> 01:56:20.880 intents may be, and what you know possibly you know again, 2237 01:56:20.960 --> 01:56:23.920 what's the outcome they may desire amongst a larger group 2238 01:56:23.960 --> 01:56:26.399 that they may be connected to. For example, would you 2239 01:56:26.479 --> 01:56:31.119 believe Virginia Giuphra's maternal uncle is likely to a member 2240 01:56:31.159 --> 01:56:33.239 of the Society of the Cincinnati from a very powerful 2241 01:56:33.279 --> 01:56:37.239 member of the Virginia Chapter du Her mother is a 2242 01:56:37.319 --> 01:56:39.920 Cabelle and the Kabel's if you're familiar with the Cabell's, 2243 01:56:40.319 --> 01:56:42.920 that's the deputy director of the CIA. The JFK fired 2244 01:56:42.920 --> 01:56:47.520 along with the Dollars. He's a Kabell and his brother 2245 01:56:47.640 --> 01:56:50.079 was the mayor of Dallas that day. Earl Cabell Right, No, 2246 01:56:51.720 --> 01:56:54.920 Earl Cabell and Charles Cabell would be third cousins of 2247 01:56:55.000 --> 01:56:56.439 Virginia Geuphray's mother Cabell. 2248 01:56:57.079 --> 01:56:59.920 I fucking love you, JJ. I learned so much every. 2249 01:56:59.800 --> 01:57:03.439 Time there's fives. 2250 01:57:04.840 --> 01:57:09.840 Five boys in the Virginia chapters whipping out the notebook. 2251 01:57:12.279 --> 01:57:12.960 That's crazy. 2252 01:57:13.560 --> 01:57:15.399 I don't think she ever left the network, right. She 2253 01:57:15.520 --> 01:57:18.000 was always a victim, even even up until her death. 2254 01:57:18.039 --> 01:57:20.640 You mean in very capacities. I think, right, I was 2255 01:57:20.680 --> 01:57:22.640 never able to able to leave. I think she was 2256 01:57:22.960 --> 01:57:25.119 born into it, much like I was saying about Lee 2257 01:57:25.199 --> 01:57:26.840 Harvey Oswald and very sealed. 2258 01:57:26.880 --> 01:57:28.880 These are the people that out of the society. 2259 01:57:29.720 --> 01:57:35.079 It's like a gang, like you're taking again. They fucking 2260 01:57:35.560 --> 01:57:37.479 oh big time for the ship they've done. 2261 01:57:38.600 --> 01:57:41.439 And they got to play for daddy. And what does 2262 01:57:41.479 --> 01:57:41.640 he do? 2263 01:57:42.319 --> 01:57:45.439 Because and then it helps describe these matters I think better, dude, 2264 01:57:45.680 --> 01:57:49.600 Virginia she was at the age of seven, she was 2265 01:57:49.640 --> 01:57:52.439 already being molested by a friend of the family apparently, 2266 01:57:52.640 --> 01:57:55.359 and and uh, you know, and and to understand that 2267 01:57:55.479 --> 01:57:57.520 what was it her father that arranged for her to 2268 01:57:57.600 --> 01:57:58.359 get that position? 2269 01:57:58.600 --> 01:58:03.640 At at uh at uh? Why is it escapability? 2270 01:58:03.680 --> 01:58:03.920 Right now? 2271 01:58:04.079 --> 01:58:05.119 Yeah, Merilago, thank you. 2272 01:58:05.399 --> 01:58:05.600 Yeah. 2273 01:58:05.680 --> 01:58:08.359 And and then you know her father now has gone 2274 01:58:08.399 --> 01:58:11.960 trans No, all. 2275 01:58:11.920 --> 01:58:12.319 Right, du. 2276 01:58:14.039 --> 01:58:15.520 Let's check off every box. 2277 01:58:15.680 --> 01:58:19.000 That's that Sky Roberts on his on his public Facebook page, 2278 01:58:19.039 --> 01:58:20.199 he's wearing a wig and address. 2279 01:58:20.279 --> 01:58:22.239 Dude, I'm not making JJ. 2280 01:58:22.439 --> 01:58:24.880 Do you remember when we talked about that with writer 2281 01:58:25.119 --> 01:58:28.840 and I said that her name is Darlene dirty Puss. 2282 01:58:29.399 --> 01:58:33.079 That's right, that's the great nickname. I do remember that, darling. 2283 01:58:33.399 --> 01:58:34.079 She forgot to. 2284 01:58:36.119 --> 01:58:39.199 Oh my god, hilarious. 2285 01:58:39.560 --> 01:58:43.359 But see picture. What's that her? 2286 01:58:43.680 --> 01:58:45.720 Are you still streaming on YouTube and we got kicked 2287 01:58:45.760 --> 01:58:46.159 off yet? 2288 01:58:46.319 --> 01:58:49.760 Oh I'm sure, I'm sure we were good. I've said worse. 2289 01:58:51.399 --> 01:58:53.880 Painting is larger, broader picture of all these majors said. 2290 01:58:53.920 --> 01:58:56.359 If we know about the scandal, if it's a parapolitical event, 2291 01:58:56.399 --> 01:58:58.560 we're aware of not only do I argue, all roads 2292 01:58:58.600 --> 01:59:02.560 go back to the Cincinnati. You know, there's a question 2293 01:59:02.680 --> 01:59:06.000 about JFK our our channel. Again, I appreciate your dedication there. 2294 01:59:06.119 --> 01:59:08.359 JFK was a member of the Society of Cincinnati by 2295 01:59:08.399 --> 01:59:10.960 virtue of being the US president. He's a not a 2296 01:59:11.039 --> 01:59:13.319 hereditary member. He doesn't get to pass it down. However, 2297 01:59:13.920 --> 01:59:16.840 his wife's father was a hereditary member of the Maryland Chapter. 2298 01:59:16.960 --> 01:59:20.239 He died in fifty seven. Thus JFK Junior was born 2299 01:59:20.319 --> 01:59:22.920 into the Society of the Cincinnati in that in in 2300 01:59:23.039 --> 01:59:24.439 that in that hereditary role. 2301 01:59:24.720 --> 01:59:26.800 So you look at the JFK death real quick. 2302 01:59:26.800 --> 01:59:29.239 You got Lee Harvey Oswald probably a hereditary member of 2303 01:59:29.319 --> 01:59:32.800 the Georgia Chapter. Whether or not who is biological father is. 2304 01:59:32.840 --> 01:59:35.520 That is where for example, his grandfather was a colonel 2305 01:59:35.520 --> 01:59:38.000 in the Confederate Army, so we can see that lineage 2306 01:59:38.039 --> 01:59:39.119 through through these matters. 2307 01:59:40.119 --> 01:59:40.720 But then you have. 2308 01:59:41.199 --> 01:59:44.560 Jackie Kennedy's father, Jack Bouvier, was a Maryland chapter member. Again, 2309 01:59:44.680 --> 01:59:47.680 he was dead by that time, but puts JFK. Junior's 2310 01:59:47.680 --> 01:59:49.960 death in the new light. You got jaeg Or Hoover 2311 01:59:50.119 --> 01:59:51.800 is a member of the New York Chapter of the 2312 01:59:51.880 --> 01:59:54.000 Society of the Cincinnati. It really paints a different picture 2313 01:59:54.039 --> 01:59:56.399 for a lot of these parapolitical scandals, right, And again, 2314 01:59:57.760 --> 01:59:58.560 that's that's. 2315 01:59:58.479 --> 02:00:00.319 Fat Like I'm not trying to cut you off, and 2316 02:00:00.479 --> 02:00:03.119 and and continue on. I just wanted to briefly mention 2317 02:00:03.239 --> 02:00:05.319 the fact that I think there's no doubt about it 2318 02:00:05.760 --> 02:00:08.319 and and there's no way that it it we can 2319 02:00:08.439 --> 02:00:12.640 kind of chalk it up to some sort of ultimate 2320 02:00:12.680 --> 02:00:16.319 coincidence happening here in terms of the direct connection to 2321 02:00:18.000 --> 02:00:24.720 this Nazi element to monarch mink traumatic you know, uh, 2322 02:00:25.159 --> 02:00:29.079 just this very obvious trauma based mind control is what 2323 02:00:29.159 --> 02:00:32.479 they're they were pursuing. And and uh, even with I'm 2324 02:00:32.520 --> 02:00:34.840 doing a series right now because I remember when I 2325 02:00:34.920 --> 02:00:39.760 covered the detroiugh fair that that that man, I'll tell you. 2326 02:00:39.880 --> 02:00:43.760 That criminal case affected me more than anything I've ever studied. 2327 02:00:44.039 --> 02:00:49.760 Yeah, the program to Kill prologue before bed at like 2328 02:00:49.840 --> 02:00:52.880 one in the morning, and I was like, no, good, Okay, 2329 02:00:53.479 --> 02:00:54.880 I guess I'm gonna go to sleep now. 2330 02:00:55.600 --> 02:00:56.560 Yeah, good luck with that. 2331 02:00:57.000 --> 02:00:57.239 Yeah. 2332 02:00:58.119 --> 02:00:59.319 We had just. 2333 02:00:59.399 --> 02:01:03.640 Started like talking again when I did the Pedaphocracy series, 2334 02:01:03.720 --> 02:01:07.039 didn't we I couldn't. I couldn't get over it. I 2335 02:01:07.119 --> 02:01:10.960 couldn't stop talking about it. It was bothering me. I 2336 02:01:11.319 --> 02:01:13.880 was in a really dark place after I read that 2337 02:01:14.039 --> 02:01:16.479 book and I did the series on it. 2338 02:01:17.159 --> 02:01:19.119 And well, that's a good sign you have a soul there, ma'am, 2339 02:01:19.199 --> 02:01:21.479 because it's some dark shit. Yeah, exactly. 2340 02:01:22.520 --> 02:01:24.600 Yeah, Mark Dutrou was one of the worst things I 2341 02:01:24.760 --> 02:01:25.960 ever read about ever. 2342 02:01:26.159 --> 02:01:26.319 Yeah. 2343 02:01:26.800 --> 02:01:30.560 And you know, through the investigation they connect back to 2344 02:01:30.640 --> 02:01:34.760 the Satanic Order of Abersachs or the app of Braxis 2345 02:01:34.840 --> 02:01:37.119 the Chicken Snake God, whatever you want to refer to 2346 02:01:37.199 --> 02:01:40.960 it as. But I mean, legitimately, the High Priestess of 2347 02:01:41.000 --> 02:01:44.760 the Order was sending that they had like a dialogue 2348 02:01:44.840 --> 02:01:48.439 between Bernard Weinstein, that one of the key accomplices in 2349 02:01:48.520 --> 02:01:51.159 the Detro network that was helping the trow abduct the 2350 02:01:51.279 --> 02:01:54.000 children raping them while they're in shackles and putting them 2351 02:01:54.039 --> 02:01:57.279 in the dungeons like terrible things. But what I found 2352 02:01:57.359 --> 02:02:00.520 so fascinating about it all just in reference to uh, 2353 02:02:00.680 --> 02:02:05.479 the sort of the just this reoccurring and resurfacing Nazi 2354 02:02:05.600 --> 02:02:08.920 thread and element that exists within this context of monarch 2355 02:02:09.520 --> 02:02:12.319 is and and by the way, uh, you know, key 2356 02:02:12.680 --> 02:02:16.239 instrumental operatives have been named, you know, uh in terms 2357 02:02:16.279 --> 02:02:20.079 of who who kind of like suggested this path to 2358 02:02:20.119 --> 02:02:24.039 Alan Doles, which then apparently kind of embraced it and 2359 02:02:24.520 --> 02:02:28.319 facilitated the path and and as as a good sociopath 2360 02:02:28.399 --> 02:02:28.720 would do. 2361 02:02:29.319 --> 02:02:29.439 Uh. 2362 02:02:29.680 --> 02:02:32.199 But obviously, yeah, those dolls boys, there are a lot 2363 02:02:32.239 --> 02:02:33.680 of trouble, aren't they honestly. 2364 02:02:33.960 --> 02:02:36.520 But but the the only point I really wanted to 2365 02:02:36.600 --> 02:02:39.640 make about that is is just that the grandmother of 2366 02:02:39.840 --> 02:02:42.800 Regina Loof whose X one in the in the Belgian 2367 02:02:42.920 --> 02:02:46.399 X files, right, the ex dossier that was made public 2368 02:02:46.479 --> 02:02:50.560 by Wiki leaks and and kind of helped expose so 2369 02:02:50.760 --> 02:02:53.960 much of the details of the individual abusers within the 2370 02:02:54.000 --> 02:02:57.319 network of detrou and and she she claimed man her 2371 02:02:57.399 --> 02:03:01.960 her grandmother was the individual who had one she was 2372 02:03:02.039 --> 02:03:05.640 forced to sexually uh uh sort of gratified to please 2373 02:03:05.720 --> 02:03:08.319 her in sexual ways. And again it points out the 2374 02:03:08.640 --> 02:03:13.560 familial dynastic pedophilic imprint that is so very obvious and 2375 02:03:14.079 --> 02:03:17.479 and resurfacing in every single one of these networks, which 2376 02:03:17.520 --> 02:03:22.600 is so fascinating, especially the state sponsored heavy intelligence footprint. 2377 02:03:23.640 --> 02:03:26.159 You know, examples that we can point to. But but 2378 02:03:26.399 --> 02:03:29.439 the fact of the matter is that her grandmother, Regina 2379 02:03:29.479 --> 02:03:33.199 Luf's grandmother, she was a collaborator during World War Two, 2380 02:03:33.720 --> 02:03:38.680 running two brothels, one of which was for Nazi officers, 2381 02:03:39.600 --> 02:03:43.520 in another for Nazi soldiers, just the regular infantry. 2382 02:03:43.600 --> 02:03:44.319 And she she was. 2383 02:03:44.399 --> 02:03:48.960 Briefly detained after the war in Noke, I believe is 2384 02:03:49.119 --> 02:03:51.279 where she was detained. But then she's released, and she 2385 02:03:51.399 --> 02:03:53.640 goes on and finds her way to Belgium and opens 2386 02:03:53.720 --> 02:03:56.720 up a new brothel and continues on with this enterprise. 2387 02:03:57.399 --> 02:04:00.760 And so to me, it's like, are we supposed to 2388 02:04:00.840 --> 02:04:03.520 chalk this up to another coincidence, that that there's no 2389 02:04:03.640 --> 02:04:06.279 way this had anything to do with monarch mind control 2390 02:04:06.399 --> 02:04:10.840 and and the sort of overall umbrella. Yeah, yeah, there's 2391 02:04:10.840 --> 02:04:11.239 no way. 2392 02:04:11.159 --> 02:04:12.119 In my mind that. 2393 02:04:12.319 --> 02:04:15.039 Well no, it's all we're talking about the match, Like 2394 02:04:15.079 --> 02:04:17.880 I said, we're seeing like elements of what Jim Garrison 2395 02:04:17.880 --> 02:04:20.479 would describe as kind of this and when he when 2396 02:04:20.479 --> 02:04:23.520 he's facing off against Johnny Carson regards the JFK matters 2397 02:04:23.560 --> 02:04:26.039 and his grand jury against this network, and early he 2398 02:04:26.199 --> 02:04:28.319 was he was not fully aware but aware of the 2399 02:04:28.399 --> 02:04:31.359 process that he was up against here in this network. Again, 2400 02:04:31.399 --> 02:04:34.079 they were they were operating in around his entire investigation, 2401 02:04:34.199 --> 02:04:38.520 including Kerry Thornley. But we see we see him explain, 2402 02:04:38.680 --> 02:04:41.520 you know. Carson's like, well, hey, wait a second there, Jim, Uh, 2403 02:04:41.880 --> 02:04:44.039 it seems like you're describing different things here as you're 2404 02:04:44.039 --> 02:04:46.319 trying to tell me about this, uh, this conspiracy to 2405 02:04:46.439 --> 02:04:49.960 kill to kill the president, and and uh, he's he's 2406 02:04:50.079 --> 02:04:52.039 he puts cart well, you know what, I'll just I 2407 02:04:52.520 --> 02:04:53.479 may I'll just play the clip. 2408 02:04:53.960 --> 02:04:55.000 I have a clip of it right here. 2409 02:04:55.119 --> 02:04:57.479 But he's telling Carson, He's like, yeah, yeah, these are 2410 02:04:57.479 --> 02:05:00.640 all different components of a much larger animal, a much 2411 02:05:00.720 --> 02:05:06.760 larger gene, right. And I think what Garrison is doing 2412 02:05:06.840 --> 02:05:10.399 here is describing the process without saying it's the process, 2413 02:05:10.399 --> 02:05:12.800 because again he had the early understandings of some of 2414 02:05:12.880 --> 02:05:15.960 these matters, but didn't fully understand perhaps what he was 2415 02:05:16.000 --> 02:05:18.840 dealing with. So then we pull that clip up here 2416 02:05:18.840 --> 02:05:22.520 before we go any further. But yeah, I didn't have 2417 02:05:22.640 --> 02:05:24.600 a way to describe it other than, like, you know, 2418 02:05:25.239 --> 02:05:27.560 he's trying to describe the fundamental elements of it, right, 2419 02:05:27.640 --> 02:05:30.000 and he knows again he's got Tommy Jude Baumber on 2420 02:05:30.079 --> 02:05:32.760 his radar, He's got Fred Chrisman, the first UFO witness 2421 02:05:32.840 --> 02:05:35.920 on his radar is chief suspect. One of his chief 2422 02:05:35.960 --> 02:05:38.760 suspects in his grand jury is Lee Harvey Oswald, who 2423 02:05:38.880 --> 02:05:43.079 is now interceding with Barbara Reid, who's another suspect there. 2424 02:05:43.199 --> 02:05:46.239 She's a witch, local witch. They're all doing process stuff. 2425 02:05:46.600 --> 02:05:49.600 The first the first discordions and bibles published in Garrison's 2426 02:05:49.600 --> 02:05:52.239 office by by folks connected to the process. 2427 02:05:52.319 --> 02:05:54.800 So you can't tell me this chaos, Colt. They have 2428 02:05:54.880 --> 02:05:55.920 this whole fancy back. 2429 02:05:57.720 --> 02:06:01.199 Real cute. It's real cute. But no, yeah, I do, Garrett. 2430 02:06:02.039 --> 02:06:04.199 I've been I've been a Garrison super fan for years. 2431 02:06:04.640 --> 02:06:05.960 How I became friends with John. 2432 02:06:05.800 --> 02:06:09.840 Barbers because Kevin Costa played him in a movie. But 2433 02:06:09.920 --> 02:06:12.359 I had no fucking idea he was this is like 2434 02:06:13.119 --> 02:06:15.520 I thought, Mari was probably the first person to really 2435 02:06:15.600 --> 02:06:17.560 put this out there. I had no idea about this. 2436 02:06:18.199 --> 02:06:20.239 Oh it's not out there, and some of it's in 2437 02:06:20.239 --> 02:06:22.560 the secret files. John Barber still got but still trying 2438 02:06:22.560 --> 02:06:26.479 to get my ninety three years old. 2439 02:06:26.600 --> 02:06:26.760 You know. 2440 02:06:27.680 --> 02:06:29.439 John Barber's interesting man himself. He used to be a 2441 02:06:29.520 --> 02:06:33.000 personal writer for Frank Sinatra, who ties into all these 2442 02:06:33.039 --> 02:06:36.079 matters of the Manson families and Satanism and mafia stuff. 2443 02:06:36.279 --> 02:06:37.640 Then we see depicted in this film. 2444 02:06:37.720 --> 02:06:42.920 But the organized crime as the organized crime footprint helping 2445 02:06:43.159 --> 02:06:46.880 provide that plausible deniability, uh, you know, uh sort of 2446 02:06:47.239 --> 02:06:50.760 cut out for intelligence. They run hand in hand, they 2447 02:06:50.840 --> 02:06:53.199 sort of coexist in that very way. And that's the 2448 02:06:53.239 --> 02:06:55.760 same thing that happened in Watergate, right, the Columbia Plaza 2449 02:06:55.800 --> 02:06:58.520 operation was set up and then and Joe Nesline was 2450 02:06:58.640 --> 02:07:02.399 the key mafia uh you know, at least organized crime 2451 02:07:02.840 --> 02:07:07.640 individual who was affiliated in d C, who was obviously helping, uh, 2452 02:07:08.239 --> 02:07:12.760 provide the the in in my mind, the plausible deniability 2453 02:07:12.920 --> 02:07:15.600 for the CIA, which is why you had Heidie Reichen 2454 02:07:15.680 --> 02:07:19.119 claim that she had CIA protection and that was allegedly 2455 02:07:19.239 --> 02:07:24.000 who was who was In reality it was Joe Neslin's network, 2456 02:07:24.119 --> 02:07:26.399 but it was on behalf of the c i A. Right, 2457 02:07:26.520 --> 02:07:27.640 And that's what's fascinating. 2458 02:07:27.720 --> 02:07:30.880 Well, and the Mormons don't sit on the Mormons because 2459 02:07:31.199 --> 02:07:33.520 I Howard Hunt was employed by the Moullen Corporation, which 2460 02:07:33.520 --> 02:07:36.479 is all run by US Center future US Center from Utah, 2461 02:07:36.560 --> 02:07:40.640 Bob Bennett and Skull and Bonesman Bob Benn and they 2462 02:07:40.680 --> 02:07:43.880 were shut down over all these matters because they were 2463 02:07:43.920 --> 02:07:46.000 a CI, a Mormon front company that were employing the 2464 02:07:46.039 --> 02:07:47.319 Watergate burglars, notably E. 2465 02:07:47.439 --> 02:07:49.880 Howard Hunt. Yes, yes, and. 2466 02:07:53.199 --> 02:07:55.520 Yeah, you had this naval intelligence guy who had never 2467 02:07:55.560 --> 02:07:58.319 made a journalist before in his life just suddenly get 2468 02:07:58.399 --> 02:08:01.680 this big case. I mean that that right there, Like 2469 02:08:01.880 --> 02:08:05.279 I didn't learn probably until I was in my thirties. Right, 2470 02:08:05.600 --> 02:08:07.720 you watch all the President's men and you see all 2471 02:08:07.800 --> 02:08:08.720 that shit I mean. 2472 02:08:10.239 --> 02:08:13.319 On it Office of Naval Intelligence right before he's then 2473 02:08:13.439 --> 02:08:15.640 sent to the Washington Post to sort of control the 2474 02:08:15.760 --> 02:08:19.079 narrative in terms of the Watergate scandal, which again it's 2475 02:08:19.159 --> 02:08:21.560 like what is deep throat? Yeah, it's a it's a 2476 02:08:21.760 --> 02:08:24.479 it's a sort of like uh in my mind, it's 2477 02:08:24.560 --> 02:08:30.119 it's this uh again, it's a construct. But it's all 2478 02:08:30.239 --> 02:08:33.800 these different voices at the time, which which there are 2479 02:08:33.840 --> 02:08:37.560 at least it's a it's a sort of I think 2480 02:08:37.600 --> 02:08:39.800 there's at least four people that could fall under the 2481 02:08:39.920 --> 02:08:42.720 umbrella of what Deep Throat technically represented at that time. 2482 02:08:42.840 --> 02:08:44.880 But but at the same time, it's just again, it 2483 02:08:45.039 --> 02:08:51.920 was a strategic and convenient, uh way to obviously provide 2484 02:08:51.960 --> 02:08:56.439 a source that in reality was just the intelligence apparatus 2485 02:08:56.520 --> 02:08:59.640 running the more Radford spy scandal, which we're we're conducting 2486 02:08:59.680 --> 02:09:03.079 survey lists on the Nickson administration and it's it's fascinating 2487 02:09:03.159 --> 02:09:06.039 to see every aspect of By the way, Douglas Caddy 2488 02:09:06.119 --> 02:09:09.279 is employed by Mullening Company as well. He's he's I 2489 02:09:09.399 --> 02:09:11.720 Howard Hunt's personal private attorney at the time. 2490 02:09:12.199 --> 02:09:14.119 And that's what I'm saying, dude, the Mormons don't get 2491 02:09:14.159 --> 02:09:16.319 blamed for any of this ship dude nothing. 2492 02:09:16.880 --> 02:09:20.000 And he's what for United Fruit. He's up there running 2493 02:09:20.039 --> 02:09:23.359 well allegedly you're hitting. 2494 02:09:23.199 --> 02:09:24.760 Them first of all, so you're hitting way too many, 2495 02:09:24.880 --> 02:09:28.800 too many, uh, you're setting off too many kill Bill 2496 02:09:28.880 --> 02:09:31.319 sirns in a brain hole at the moment because all 2497 02:09:31.359 --> 02:09:33.119 I has to do with Carl Lender, the thirty thirty 2498 02:09:33.119 --> 02:09:35.640 degree freemason out of Cincinnati, Ohio, And that's a little 2499 02:09:35.640 --> 02:09:37.840 bit of a different tale together because he's behind all 2500 02:09:37.880 --> 02:09:40.960 the Bush machine too as well, et cetera, et cetera. 2501 02:09:41.079 --> 02:09:43.239 You know, he owned the Reds, He run basically the 2502 02:09:43.319 --> 02:09:44.880 city of Cincinnati at one point in time. 2503 02:09:45.279 --> 02:09:45.960 His son kind of. 2504 02:09:46.000 --> 02:09:49.039 Does you got to send me a couple of things, 2505 02:09:49.279 --> 02:09:51.560 because I'm about I'm gonna have to. At this point, 2506 02:09:51.600 --> 02:09:54.880 you've convinced me my next solo project will be the 2507 02:09:55.000 --> 02:09:56.119 Society of the Cincinnati. 2508 02:09:56.239 --> 02:09:56.640 I have to. 2509 02:09:57.560 --> 02:09:57.920 I like it. 2510 02:09:58.680 --> 02:09:59.199 I like it there. 2511 02:09:59.239 --> 02:10:00.880 And let me bring us back back to this conversation 2512 02:10:00.920 --> 02:10:03.199 her knife for I played this clip from Garrison about 2513 02:10:03.239 --> 02:10:05.319 the what he so, what we're looking at in the 2514 02:10:05.359 --> 02:10:08.119 film and hair advice is this machination of this deep 2515 02:10:08.159 --> 02:10:13.119 state matters of national security, Nazi cult network, right, which 2516 02:10:13.199 --> 02:10:15.439 has different faces and stuff too. And that's what Garrison 2517 02:10:15.520 --> 02:10:18.560 conds has explained to Carson in a very rudimentary sense. 2518 02:10:18.640 --> 02:10:20.720 Very smart man, but he didn't quite have the full 2519 02:10:20.800 --> 02:10:23.359 understanding because this is sixty eight and by seventy seven, 2520 02:10:23.479 --> 02:10:27.039 during during the assassination or not, that's the nineties, during 2521 02:10:27.079 --> 02:10:30.600 the House elect Committee on Assassinations, Garrison writes them a 2522 02:10:30.680 --> 02:10:32.640 letter it's in the it's in the record, saying if 2523 02:10:32.640 --> 02:10:36.680 you solve the wandering bishop situation, you'll solve the Kennedy murder. 2524 02:10:37.079 --> 02:10:40.640 Something that affect which again all revolves around you know, 2525 02:10:40.760 --> 02:10:44.640 those wandering bishops, Tommy, Jude Baumer, David Berry, Chrisman. 2526 02:10:45.359 --> 02:10:45.680 That's it. 2527 02:10:46.199 --> 02:10:49.439 That So the wandering Bishops came on to my radar 2528 02:10:49.520 --> 02:10:53.239 whenever I was like figuring out the connection there between 2529 02:10:53.279 --> 02:10:57.880 the process and the incorporation in Louisiana and and how 2530 02:10:58.000 --> 02:11:01.600 much they were fundamental in the FK architecture of the 2531 02:11:01.640 --> 02:11:05.439 assassination there and in obviously, uh, what was it five 2532 02:11:05.520 --> 02:11:07.920 four for Camp Street? Isn't that what it was? That 2533 02:11:08.159 --> 02:11:10.439 that was, uh, you know the location where all the 2534 02:11:10.520 --> 02:11:15.760 intelligence apparatus just sort of flocked to this coincidence ye 2535 02:11:16.720 --> 02:11:19.359 offs of naval intelligence in that building. That was one 2536 02:11:19.359 --> 02:11:21.920 of my favorite scenes in the in the actual film itself. 2537 02:11:22.000 --> 02:11:24.319 That No, it's a great scene. It's and it's very 2538 02:11:24.800 --> 02:11:26.159 what was going on down there. 2539 02:11:26.039 --> 02:11:28.159 As far as that was a basis of operations for 2540 02:11:28.199 --> 02:11:33.680 a lot of it spook activity administratively speaking, yes, like 2541 02:11:33.760 --> 02:11:37.680 a picture of the headquarters aspect to manage their southern operations, 2542 02:11:37.720 --> 02:11:38.520 which is what it was doing. 2543 02:11:38.600 --> 02:11:40.319 That's where there are Cuba operations et cetera. 2544 02:11:40.439 --> 02:11:44.800 But you know that, I'm sorry. I just wanted to 2545 02:11:45.239 --> 02:11:47.359 mention the fact that Henry Lee Lucas right from the 2546 02:11:47.399 --> 02:11:51.279 hand of death that you mentioned earlier. Julia She She 2547 02:11:51.800 --> 02:11:56.000 He claimed that that basically when he was being trained 2548 02:11:56.159 --> 02:12:00.880 in these these various uh, sophisticated techniques in child abduction, 2549 02:12:01.520 --> 02:12:06.159 in targeted assassinations, you know, just sort of the gambit 2550 02:12:06.279 --> 02:12:11.479 in terms of how you would conduct covert operations clandestinely. 2551 02:12:10.760 --> 02:12:11.039 In in. 2552 02:12:12.680 --> 02:12:16.159 Under the shroud of of secrecy and protection. And and 2553 02:12:16.319 --> 02:12:19.439 he was claiming that they had they had these sophisticated 2554 02:12:19.520 --> 02:12:22.600 techniques in place where they would obviously know and they 2555 02:12:22.640 --> 02:12:25.520 would be tipped off as to when there would be 2556 02:12:25.640 --> 02:12:29.920 these flyovers, these aerial flyovers for surveillance purposes by the military, 2557 02:12:30.439 --> 02:12:35.119 various uh, you know, officials within the just local officials 2558 02:12:35.199 --> 02:12:37.439 and authorities and things of that nature. They would get 2559 02:12:37.479 --> 02:12:40.439 tipped off anytime there would be a sort of flyover 2560 02:12:40.560 --> 02:12:45.359 where they had apparently they had this sort of just 2561 02:12:46.079 --> 02:12:52.159 presiding cover operation in place where they would be able 2562 02:12:52.319 --> 02:12:57.880 to hide their their footprint from the air right so 2563 02:12:58.640 --> 02:13:00.000 that way they wouldn't be exposed. 2564 02:13:00.159 --> 02:13:01.439 Was basically is. 2565 02:13:01.960 --> 02:13:05.800 Set some camouflage things to break up the patterns exactly, 2566 02:13:06.039 --> 02:13:08.359 or they would not as technical as it seems to be, 2567 02:13:08.520 --> 02:13:10.199 you know, really hide from the aircraft like that. 2568 02:13:10.840 --> 02:13:13.399 Exactly. He's right. 2569 02:13:13.600 --> 02:13:17.159 But to me, it even lends credibility to the fact 2570 02:13:17.239 --> 02:13:21.319 of like the story of James Wesley Howe. This is 2571 02:13:21.399 --> 02:13:26.600 what I refer to as like just modern gladiol you know, 2572 02:13:27.359 --> 02:13:29.720 in my mind, which is the strategy of tension playing 2573 02:13:29.800 --> 02:13:31.239 out domestically. 2574 02:13:31.319 --> 02:13:33.800 Utilizing all these programs. Yeah, exactly. 2575 02:13:34.520 --> 02:13:39.319 And and for me, you witness the fact that apparently 2576 02:13:39.399 --> 02:13:41.640 and these claims were made that James Wesley Howe. So 2577 02:13:41.720 --> 02:13:44.319 this is all surrounding the Omar Matine Pols night club 2578 02:13:44.359 --> 02:13:47.319 shooting right that that occurred and and was very political 2579 02:13:47.399 --> 02:13:50.560 as well. And and obviously you had Sadiki Mattine, the 2580 02:13:50.680 --> 02:13:53.640 father of the alleged perpetrator, who just shows up the 2581 02:13:53.760 --> 02:13:56.399 Clinton rally just right after the event takes place, and 2582 02:13:56.439 --> 02:14:01.600 he's holding like this sign, what justrategically placed just in 2583 02:14:01.760 --> 02:14:04.600 the frame of the camera, uh, for this for this 2584 02:14:04.760 --> 02:14:09.000 political rally event to take place. And again it's it's 2585 02:14:09.079 --> 02:14:12.000 opposing Trump at the time, which I found very interesting. 2586 02:14:12.119 --> 02:14:14.680 But it's also like the terms of of the sign 2587 02:14:14.760 --> 02:14:18.880 itself were. Basically it was a complete uh you know, 2588 02:14:19.039 --> 02:14:22.079 condemnation of Trump, but also like. 2589 02:14:22.159 --> 02:14:24.159 This kind of like kind of like Chucky there at 2590 02:14:24.199 --> 02:14:27.680 the Vigilant California rally, right exactly. 2591 02:14:27.159 --> 02:14:28.239 That's exactly what it was. 2592 02:14:28.319 --> 02:14:31.399 That he stages this sort of like a false flag 2593 02:14:31.479 --> 02:14:34.960 pretext narrative. But also you know, again he's. 2594 02:14:34.920 --> 02:14:37.199 The film or mate was also a whacken hunting point? 2595 02:14:37.279 --> 02:14:39.359 Was he not G four S Exactly? 2596 02:14:39.600 --> 02:14:42.640 That G four S was you know, obviously the the 2597 02:14:43.399 --> 02:14:48.600 the new, the new branded kind of like if. 2598 02:14:48.479 --> 02:14:51.319 You're talking Nazis and Deep States, Sir George Wackenhunt, is 2599 02:14:51.359 --> 02:14:53.119 that the deep mix. 2600 02:14:53.359 --> 02:14:54.000 George w. 2601 02:14:54.159 --> 02:14:58.399 Bush ran contra the Cabazon Indian Reservation. Every aspect of 2602 02:14:58.600 --> 02:15:02.279 of running the covert operation. She's testing esoteric what they 2603 02:15:02.399 --> 02:15:06.479 claim to be esoteric weapons systems like high speed rails 2604 02:15:06.520 --> 02:15:08.960 and are not high speed rails. But what what was 2605 02:15:09.000 --> 02:15:12.399 the name of the ship there was there was a 2606 02:15:12.600 --> 02:15:16.159 specific a weapon that they were actually testing on the 2607 02:15:16.199 --> 02:15:19.359 caps On Indian Reservation. That is its escaping me at 2608 02:15:19.399 --> 02:15:19.800 this moment. 2609 02:15:20.159 --> 02:15:22.079 But I mean all these things, I think all these 2610 02:15:22.119 --> 02:15:24.840 things fall within these this like you're saying the operation Gladio, 2611 02:15:25.640 --> 02:15:28.600 you know, Satanic serial killers, Sataniam Inc. Of the Phoenix 2612 02:15:28.680 --> 02:15:31.920 program and the Air American drug trafficking and all come home. 2613 02:15:31.960 --> 02:15:35.000 And we see all of those three programs. Colby Squeer's programs, 2614 02:15:35.079 --> 02:15:37.680 not not not this Kobe, that's not Bill Kolby. I'm 2615 02:15:37.680 --> 02:15:40.159 talking about Bill Colby. We see all his programs that 2616 02:15:40.239 --> 02:15:43.279 he that he basically invented or was, you know, made 2617 02:15:43.359 --> 02:15:46.479 his bones running, right uh, bringing brought home, and again 2618 02:15:46.600 --> 02:15:49.880 we see those elements depicted in and around these Nazi 2619 02:15:50.079 --> 02:15:54.079 Satanists Colt Fuckers and their and their Golden Fang other 2620 02:15:54.199 --> 02:15:57.960 style operations that have embedded all throughout every aspect of 2621 02:15:58.039 --> 02:16:01.479 Los Angeles government. Again, that's what has motivated Bigfoot Bjorns 2622 02:16:01.520 --> 02:16:04.880 and here on his rampage of disruption of those events. 2623 02:16:05.000 --> 02:16:07.560 But we also see here if I may bring us back, 2624 02:16:07.800 --> 02:16:10.720 the Nazi Satanist stuff in the Manson family murders again 2625 02:16:11.039 --> 02:16:14.840 major narrative in this film. In hearrent vice and we 2626 02:16:15.000 --> 02:16:18.920 see Sharon Tate, her father, Lieutenant Colonel Paul ta US 2627 02:16:19.079 --> 02:16:24.239 Army Intelligence again very spooky. His second great grandfather was 2628 02:16:24.319 --> 02:16:27.960 Lieutenant Jesse Tate of the Virginia Chapter of the Society 2629 02:16:28.039 --> 02:16:31.600 the Cincinnati Wow the only male descendant he is yet 2630 02:16:31.680 --> 02:16:33.920 he is still yet to produce. Was in the belly 2631 02:16:34.360 --> 02:16:36.680 eight and a half month pregnant of his daughter Sharon. 2632 02:16:36.719 --> 02:16:39.639 Tate would have been the hereditary descendant of that bloodline 2633 02:16:39.719 --> 02:16:41.799 within the Society of Cincinnati. If you look at the 2634 02:16:41.840 --> 02:16:43.520 elimination on that boodline. 2635 02:16:43.600 --> 02:16:46.159 It was a fertility death ritual then, right, Like, there's 2636 02:16:46.360 --> 02:16:48.920 that in a certain way, do you think, because that 2637 02:16:49.239 --> 02:16:51.200 seems to fit the pattern as far. 2638 02:16:51.120 --> 02:16:52.840 As I think, it's part of that whole hog effect. Right, 2639 02:16:52.879 --> 02:16:55.680 So they're doing the fraternity fertility death ritual. There's a 2640 02:16:55.760 --> 02:16:58.719 drug trafficking aspect to it. Yeah, there's a cult sex 2641 02:16:58.799 --> 02:17:01.280 tape aspects to these things because they're selling sex tapes 2642 02:17:01.280 --> 02:17:03.399 and stuff like that. But there's also a fact that 2643 02:17:03.479 --> 02:17:05.440 there's probably a hit. Right, So you got Sea Bring, 2644 02:17:05.520 --> 02:17:09.040 you got Folger. That's obviously coke and seabrings and scientologists. 2645 02:17:09.920 --> 02:17:12.840 Folger's mother's doing the free clinic stuff. She's deeply involved 2646 02:17:12.879 --> 02:17:14.879 in the coke and trafficking and trade. They're all doing 2647 02:17:14.920 --> 02:17:18.079 process stuff, right, and then you also see the aspect 2648 02:17:18.120 --> 02:17:19.959 that this may be a hit also included in that 2649 02:17:20.079 --> 02:17:23.239 where they're ending the Tate bloodline and that's in that secret. 2650 02:17:22.959 --> 02:17:24.079 Society that started America. 2651 02:17:24.680 --> 02:17:25.479 That's interesting. 2652 02:17:27.319 --> 02:17:29.360 And on that note, also Leno la Bianc if you 2653 02:17:29.360 --> 02:17:32.280 want to understand, so I'm I always think, I've always thought, 2654 02:17:32.319 --> 02:17:34.120 and I continue to focus with more of my research 2655 02:17:34.159 --> 02:17:37.319 and activities here Operation GCD, and I thank you all 2656 02:17:37.319 --> 02:17:38.639 of you all to join me here tonight to get 2657 02:17:38.719 --> 02:17:41.639 old GCD and the folks of the interwebs is understanding 2658 02:17:41.680 --> 02:17:44.920 the victimology, what brought this victim into those circumstances, and 2659 02:17:45.040 --> 02:17:47.680 what were the instances in their environment that may have 2660 02:17:47.760 --> 02:17:50.280 caused that. You look at Leno la Bianca. Yeah, he's 2661 02:17:50.319 --> 02:17:53.520 got mob stuff. You know, it's fairly well documented that. 2662 02:17:53.680 --> 02:17:56.239 You know, he also bought that home from from Walt Disney, 2663 02:17:56.280 --> 02:17:59.680 which is weird, and Disney had that Disneyland launched their 2664 02:17:59.680 --> 02:18:02.440 Haunt House, a new museum or new ride that night, 2665 02:18:02.559 --> 02:18:05.399 the Haunted Mansion on the night of leninlong Bianca's murder. 2666 02:18:05.760 --> 02:18:08.840 And a homeown only owned by Walt Disney. That's not creepy, 2667 02:18:09.719 --> 02:18:12.280 that's very creepy. So you got the occult stuff there too. 2668 02:18:12.360 --> 02:18:14.799 But you also have Leno la Bianca speaking the Nazis 2669 02:18:15.479 --> 02:18:18.440 before Project a paper clip. It was called Operation Overcast, 2670 02:18:18.520 --> 02:18:21.200 and they were in a camp called Camp Overcast in 2671 02:18:21.360 --> 02:18:25.840 southern Bavaria and from July of nineteen forty five to 2672 02:18:25.959 --> 02:18:29.280 March of nineteen forty six, the E six Military Police 2673 02:18:29.319 --> 02:18:31.079 sergeant in charge of that camp appears to. 2674 02:18:31.079 --> 02:18:34.239 Have been Leno La Bianca. Oh my god, what. 2675 02:18:37.600 --> 02:18:38.799 I have not heard that one? 2676 02:18:39.200 --> 02:18:39.360 Now? 2677 02:18:39.559 --> 02:18:41.360 Yeah, well, here's the deal. Here's what I'm at with it. 2678 02:18:41.399 --> 02:18:43.479 I say, appears because I've got his unit. He's the 2679 02:18:43.559 --> 02:18:45.360 he's again, he's the So I was in the I 2680 02:18:45.479 --> 02:18:47.799 retires an East seven master started in the Air Force 2681 02:18:47.879 --> 02:18:50.319 Military Police. He was the Army Air Corps Military Police, 2682 02:18:50.360 --> 02:18:52.959 a proceeding kind of outfit because the Air Force went 2683 02:18:53.040 --> 02:18:56.799 the thing yet. But back then in E six that 2684 02:18:57.000 --> 02:18:59.879 was like that was at least with the kind of 2685 02:19:00.159 --> 02:19:02.959 you know power or you know responsibility to put on 2686 02:19:02.959 --> 02:19:04.719 an E seven or E eight because they didn't have 2687 02:19:04.760 --> 02:19:06.520 any seven E back then when East six and the 2688 02:19:06.600 --> 02:19:09.600 E seven was chief. So you know, I could speak 2689 02:19:09.840 --> 02:19:11.559 he would you know in the six there would have 2690 02:19:11.600 --> 02:19:14.079 had a lot of responsibilities. He had no ranking sergeants there. 2691 02:19:14.360 --> 02:19:16.879 They were on paper assigned to the headquarters unit eight 2692 02:19:16.959 --> 02:19:20.200 miles away from Camp Overcast. All I'm saying, is camp 2693 02:19:20.319 --> 02:19:24.559 overcast had an MP, some MP's garden it and there's 2694 02:19:24.600 --> 02:19:27.159 no MPs needed at the headquarters unit eight miles away, 2695 02:19:27.239 --> 02:19:28.319 so they're on paper there. 2696 02:19:28.360 --> 02:19:30.280 He's the one in charge. I think he knew a 2697 02:19:30.319 --> 02:19:31.719 lot about that Nazi program. 2698 02:19:31.799 --> 02:19:32.559 It seems. 2699 02:19:33.920 --> 02:19:34.600 It makes sense. 2700 02:19:37.760 --> 02:19:38.879 Holy shit. 2701 02:19:40.319 --> 02:19:43.799 So on that note, when we're talking about Nazis, mafia's 2702 02:19:44.000 --> 02:19:48.520 infiltration of governments, colts, drug trafficking in Hollywood, et cetera, 2703 02:19:48.639 --> 02:19:51.639 I think Jim Garrison is trying to describe these elements 2704 02:19:51.680 --> 02:19:54.680 early on in his investigation when trying to bring any 2705 02:19:54.719 --> 02:19:58.079 sort of criminal charges against the whole Kennedy assassination. 2706 02:19:58.200 --> 02:20:02.680 Right, I'm telling you, man, the confusion, and don't you 2707 02:20:02.760 --> 02:20:04.520 seem to be writing off in all directions. 2708 02:20:05.360 --> 02:20:08.600 It seems like it doesn't. Let me ask you right. 2709 02:20:08.879 --> 02:20:11.000 Let me ask you first, how many hours ago? I 2710 02:20:11.239 --> 02:20:13.440 ask the answer? This list is just one open. 2711 02:20:14.280 --> 02:20:16.440 Well, I know that we have the rest of the 2712 02:20:16.479 --> 02:20:19.000 program this season. I understand that we can't sit here 2713 02:20:19.120 --> 02:20:22.399 and completely re create well fear right on what happens. 2714 02:20:22.799 --> 02:20:25.000 But I just wanted to get the penology of the statement. 2715 02:20:25.399 --> 02:20:28.639 Let me see, let me put the folks, uh if 2716 02:20:28.680 --> 02:20:32.680 I were to say, for example, that an elephant, uh 2717 02:20:33.799 --> 02:20:37.840 has a tail, and he's gray, and he has four legs. 2718 02:20:38.040 --> 02:20:41.680 But it's possible for somebody to point out just minutes Uh, 2719 02:20:42.239 --> 02:20:44.840 you just finished saying open has a tail. Now you 2720 02:20:44.959 --> 02:20:47.280 say he has four legs, and now you say he's great. 2721 02:20:47.959 --> 02:20:50.760 The point I'm making is the feature of these factors 2722 02:20:50.879 --> 02:20:56.159 is a is a characteristic of one being, and in 2723 02:20:56.239 --> 02:21:00.719 a complex situation like this, it's possible to be standing 2724 02:21:00.719 --> 02:21:03.159 of a different point of view and describing different path 2725 02:21:04.120 --> 02:21:07.479 For example, we find that m big group. 2726 02:21:09.360 --> 02:21:10.040 So it was. 2727 02:21:10.239 --> 02:21:12.000 He goes on to provide more details. I think he 2728 02:21:12.040 --> 02:21:14.120 does a good description of trying to describe this this 2729 02:21:14.639 --> 02:21:18.440 this elephant in America's room, if you will. And you know, 2730 02:21:18.600 --> 02:21:20.239 and there's a lot of pushback you got speaking of 2731 02:21:20.239 --> 02:21:23.360 his ongoing enterprises, rolled Ronnie Riggs gets a lot of credit, 2732 02:21:23.399 --> 02:21:25.440 and not for the right reasons, not the least of 2733 02:21:25.479 --> 02:21:28.799 what's starring in a film alongside Mansonite and Lieutenant Bobby 2734 02:21:28.840 --> 02:21:30.280 Bosole and Mondo Hollywood. 2735 02:21:30.639 --> 02:21:30.760 Uh. 2736 02:21:30.920 --> 02:21:33.959 Nonetheless, Uh, he blocked, he blocked the poenas of Jim 2737 02:21:34.000 --> 02:21:36.520 Garrison's Jim Garrison was trying to extradite I always, I 2738 02:21:36.520 --> 02:21:38.159 always say it's Freddy Christmin, but it's not. 2739 02:21:38.799 --> 02:21:39.600 It's a different guy. 2740 02:21:39.920 --> 02:21:41.600 But he was involved in he was another guy in 2741 02:21:41.680 --> 02:21:43.559 one of these uh you know, deep state kind of 2742 02:21:43.600 --> 02:21:46.079 assassins like Chrisman working for the aerospace industry. 2743 02:21:46.440 --> 02:21:49.680 Again Nazi's right. So he and Garrison was trying to 2744 02:21:49.760 --> 02:21:52.959 extradue him from California, and Ronnie Reagan said knew he 2745 02:21:53.079 --> 02:21:55.440 was the governor at the time, the same governor that 2746 02:21:55.600 --> 02:21:57.959 as we see in the film in Haarentvice, he's the 2747 02:21:58.000 --> 02:22:00.719 one who privatizes all the mental health and institutions, which 2748 02:22:00.760 --> 02:22:04.040 then is explained in this film as the cult seizing 2749 02:22:04.120 --> 02:22:06.600 on it as a profiteering enterprise, which is probably the 2750 02:22:07.479 --> 02:22:08.600 reason why it did in the first place. 2751 02:22:09.159 --> 02:22:14.399 Right, Yeah, I mean that makes it definitely makes sense 2752 02:22:14.440 --> 02:22:18.959 as far as especially considering Reagan's role and his administration 2753 02:22:19.280 --> 02:22:22.399 as far as the governorship and in California in terms 2754 02:22:22.479 --> 02:22:27.559 of the the Danny Castilero's octopus and the promised software scandal, 2755 02:22:27.680 --> 02:22:28.079 right and. 2756 02:22:28.600 --> 02:22:29.360 Just that alone. 2757 02:22:29.479 --> 02:22:33.079 Yeah, and all connects back to the Cabazon Indian Reservation 2758 02:22:33.360 --> 02:22:36.760 where it was the rail gun that they were testing, 2759 02:22:36.799 --> 02:22:39.399 as far as the esoteric weapon system, one of them 2760 02:22:39.920 --> 02:22:42.959 being what they were attempting to develop under the wacken 2761 02:22:43.000 --> 02:22:46.600 Hunt Security Corporation while they were running this sort of 2762 02:22:46.799 --> 02:22:52.120 strange like uh, they were utilizing the the individuals on 2763 02:22:52.239 --> 02:22:55.719 the reservation as essentially slave labor, and they're flying in 2764 02:22:56.000 --> 02:23:00.520 illegal Mexican nationals to to cook methamphetamine on the reservation. 2765 02:23:01.280 --> 02:23:03.440 It was like fascinating what they were all involved in. 2766 02:23:03.840 --> 02:23:08.600 And allegedly, according to UH, Michael Rocconnaschutto, who was running 2767 02:23:08.639 --> 02:23:11.559 covert operations according to him and then later on kind 2768 02:23:11.600 --> 02:23:14.000 of hung out to dry in that concept. They claimed 2769 02:23:14.040 --> 02:23:16.799 he was running the he was smuggling heroin and he 2770 02:23:16.959 --> 02:23:19.120 was cut up in this operation. But in my mind, 2771 02:23:19.959 --> 02:23:23.399 this dude was running the heroin smuggling operation on behalf 2772 02:23:23.399 --> 02:23:25.440 of the enterprise and was hung out to dry because 2773 02:23:25.479 --> 02:23:29.959 he became uh too exposed in reality in terms of 2774 02:23:30.280 --> 02:23:33.360 providing the back door into the promised software on the 2775 02:23:33.440 --> 02:23:36.680 cabs on Indian Reservation, that's what they claimed happened. Promised 2776 02:23:36.680 --> 02:23:39.879 software is a case management software allegedly that that right 2777 02:23:40.000 --> 02:23:43.319 the the wasn't it the the Hamilton's or some shit 2778 02:23:43.360 --> 02:23:44.120 I forget the name of. 2779 02:23:44.159 --> 02:23:46.239 It developed by the NSA and fought out between the 2780 02:23:46.280 --> 02:23:49.079 scenes there's a lot of spooke fight warfare going on 2781 02:23:49.200 --> 02:23:51.440 there that sold public effort. 2782 02:23:51.600 --> 02:23:57.920 Right, yeah, it paves the way for Reagan to enter 2783 02:23:58.040 --> 02:24:01.040 the White House. Honestly, in many ways, I think this 2784 02:24:01.280 --> 02:24:04.559 was just another sort of u uh part of the process, 2785 02:24:04.799 --> 02:24:07.639 just as far as like providing his value, you know, 2786 02:24:07.719 --> 02:24:08.760 in certain ways. 2787 02:24:09.639 --> 02:24:11.639 No literally, because we're kind of shoodos in the Hate 2788 02:24:11.719 --> 02:24:15.760 Nashbury with Charles Manson. They they're working at the Street 2789 02:24:15.799 --> 02:24:17.959 Theater and the opening night with the Grateful Dead, you know, 2790 02:24:18.000 --> 02:24:20.799 the c I A TA A stock bohem engrovers Right again, 2791 02:24:20.840 --> 02:24:22.159 this is all a lot of spook shit. 2792 02:24:23.000 --> 02:24:23.840 It's all spooky. 2793 02:24:23.920 --> 02:24:27.520 It all glows like the sun. There's no way around it, right, 2794 02:24:29.399 --> 02:24:31.639 It's fascinating. And when we look at we look at 2795 02:24:31.680 --> 02:24:34.000 those machinations. One other aspect we see there is that 2796 02:24:34.120 --> 02:24:37.200 Hollywood there's a Hollywood star behind this whole enterprise of 2797 02:24:37.239 --> 02:24:41.319 this drug trafficking, right again, Burke Stodger, and he's running. 2798 02:24:41.319 --> 02:24:43.200 He's the one who on paper even is running the 2799 02:24:43.239 --> 02:24:46.399 looney bend, those newly privatized as they they even mentioned 2800 02:24:46.399 --> 02:24:48.559 in the film that Reagan privatized. 2801 02:24:48.600 --> 02:24:51.479 So what what what uh? What are your all thoughts there? 2802 02:24:51.600 --> 02:24:54.799 Julia and not not Bill Colby is in regards to 2803 02:24:54.879 --> 02:24:56.600 some of these matters of these looney Bins, because I 2804 02:24:56.639 --> 02:24:59.079 saw Julia shaking her head very quickly when I mentioned 2805 02:24:59.079 --> 02:25:01.680 the Looney Bins that I know you had some thoughts 2806 02:25:01.680 --> 02:25:04.600 we previously discussed in regards to these some of these matters. 2807 02:25:05.639 --> 02:25:08.760 Well, I'll let you go first, but I was just 2808 02:25:08.840 --> 02:25:13.040 gonna say it's it's because we're covering mental illness and 2809 02:25:13.200 --> 02:25:15.719 like the Looney Bins and stuff in our new series. 2810 02:25:17.639 --> 02:25:19.840 The next episode, we're going to talk a little bit 2811 02:25:19.879 --> 02:25:24.680 more about this. But like mental illness in these Laurel 2812 02:25:24.879 --> 02:25:27.920 camps as I call them, where people get sent to 2813 02:25:28.040 --> 02:25:32.319 get like therapy sessioned or whatever it's they're just like 2814 02:25:32.680 --> 02:25:37.040 m k fucking like, they're not here to help you. 2815 02:25:37.520 --> 02:25:40.440 It's an industry. This is all I mean. 2816 02:25:41.920 --> 02:25:44.120 You can say of the world. 2817 02:25:44.520 --> 02:25:45.000 Are you. 2818 02:25:47.079 --> 02:25:47.360 Dude? 2819 02:25:47.879 --> 02:25:48.639 That's what I'm saying. 2820 02:25:50.040 --> 02:25:53.600 You know who rest friend was, Yes, Aj Bran, the 2821 02:25:53.680 --> 02:25:56.479 leader of the Neo processing Sorry go ahead, sir. 2822 02:25:58.239 --> 02:26:00.719 No, it's gonna say. I only know about the Brian 2823 02:26:00.799 --> 02:26:03.479 guy because of you. But like that friends what was 2824 02:26:03.520 --> 02:26:06.840 it called the Friends of Animals or the fucking animal fuckers. 2825 02:26:06.479 --> 02:26:10.559 Of Walmart, best Friends of Animal Society. 2826 02:26:11.799 --> 02:26:13.879 And the Ellen de Generous is tight into all that. 2827 02:26:14.120 --> 02:26:15.639 But it's all process. 2828 02:26:16.639 --> 02:26:19.280 It's all process. And again it's all it's all spook ship. 2829 02:26:19.440 --> 02:26:22.319 So you see this dude right here, he worked, He 2830 02:26:22.440 --> 02:26:25.200 worked directly for Kissinger's right hand man as an assistant. 2831 02:26:25.239 --> 02:26:25.760 This is J J. 2832 02:26:25.920 --> 02:26:31.239 Brian party partying at four am with Amanda Bines, you know, 2833 02:26:31.319 --> 02:26:33.000 his best friend. This is this is what I you know, 2834 02:26:33.440 --> 02:26:36.920 I'm sure Dan Schneider had his rolling her downfall, but J. 2835 02:26:39.319 --> 02:26:42.600 Know their names did? I mean she was passed around? 2836 02:26:42.680 --> 02:26:43.680 Well, here's the deal. 2837 02:26:43.799 --> 02:26:45.959 Here's the deal called I'm I'm of the mindset that 2838 02:26:46.280 --> 02:26:49.159 Amanda Bindes is currently the leader of that process. 2839 02:26:49.239 --> 02:26:50.639 Because he supposedly died. 2840 02:26:50.760 --> 02:26:52.159 Right what he. 2841 02:26:52.200 --> 02:26:55.959 Supposedly That she's running a salon sounds very j Sebring 2842 02:26:56.120 --> 02:27:00.920 like if you ask me, I mean it's the same. 2843 02:27:01.000 --> 02:27:05.399 It's his name stuff a spokesperson for O Zimpic right now. 2844 02:27:06.479 --> 02:27:11.600 You get that, you get that yesterday. 2845 02:27:12.879 --> 02:27:17.120 So that that dude literally Brian. Yeah, Brian's band was 2846 02:27:17.120 --> 02:27:20.440 called the lobbyancause their song was Charles Manson. 2847 02:27:20.200 --> 02:27:21.000 Is Jesus Christ. 2848 02:27:22.000 --> 02:27:24.639 And before he's doing this, he gets picked up in 2849 02:27:24.719 --> 02:27:28.159 Libya as being doing spook stuff which he was posing 2850 02:27:28.200 --> 02:27:30.559 as an art student. And then he before that he 2851 02:27:30.680 --> 02:27:35.120 was working for Mormon by the way, uh from Canab, Utah. 2852 02:27:35.200 --> 02:27:35.559 By the way. 2853 02:27:35.600 --> 02:27:37.920 These are the connections why I think possibly why they're 2854 02:27:37.920 --> 02:27:41.000 in Canab today because Kissinger's right hand man, you know, 2855 02:27:41.079 --> 02:27:45.840 Bob Cocaine Evans boyfriend, Henry Kissinger, and his right hand 2856 02:27:45.879 --> 02:27:49.479 man Brince Gocroft, US Air Force Major General n s 2857 02:27:49.559 --> 02:27:59.719 a or national security advisor to three different presidents uh Nixon, Ford, Reagan. 2858 02:27:59.760 --> 02:28:02.680 And she was he was the Kissinger's assistant there in 2859 02:28:02.680 --> 02:28:04.959 the Nixon situation. So again this is this is the 2860 02:28:05.040 --> 02:28:08.319 national security state. And then we see his assistant starting 2861 02:28:08.360 --> 02:28:12.200 the Neo process cult and that's attong the nose right 2862 02:28:14.000 --> 02:28:16.239 in the Hollywood element, we see the Burke Stodger element 2863 02:28:16.280 --> 02:28:18.600 there with with Amanda Binds. 2864 02:28:19.239 --> 02:28:22.040 Weren't you saying that when we showed the pictures of 2865 02:28:22.120 --> 02:28:25.559 that Twin Twin Ray cult guy, you thought he looked 2866 02:28:25.639 --> 02:28:29.360 suspiciously like so he dies the year that cult becomes 2867 02:28:29.399 --> 02:28:29.719 a thing. 2868 02:28:30.600 --> 02:28:33.159 I've I've been communicating with all back and forth on 2869 02:28:33.239 --> 02:28:35.280 that same subject, because she was a little bit skeptical 2870 02:28:35.360 --> 02:28:36.639 at first, but then she started looking at some of 2871 02:28:36.680 --> 02:28:38.600 his photos. The dude, first of all, he's like a 2872 02:28:38.639 --> 02:28:40.840 chameleon in the first place. Everybody you look at him, 2873 02:28:40.840 --> 02:28:43.719 he's a little bit different. I'm convinced, dude, that dude 2874 02:28:43.760 --> 02:28:45.959 in that twin Raised cult is JJ Brian. 2875 02:28:46.000 --> 02:28:48.600 He faked his death. Dude. First of all, he's from Portland, Oregon. 2876 02:28:48.639 --> 02:28:49.959 He's already got Oregon connects. 2877 02:28:52.360 --> 02:28:54.000 I looked into it a little bit more after you 2878 02:28:54.120 --> 02:28:56.120 said that, because you just you're not someone to just 2879 02:28:56.159 --> 02:28:57.479 pull something out of your ass like that. 2880 02:28:58.760 --> 02:29:01.040 I'm not traditionally or I appreciate you noticing. 2881 02:29:03.200 --> 02:29:05.719 I think there's something to it. For sure, we'll have 2882 02:29:05.799 --> 02:29:06.319 to find. 2883 02:29:06.600 --> 02:29:09.760 That it's financed by scientology, to these twin rais are 2884 02:29:09.799 --> 02:29:12.840 all financed. So are you familiar with read slacking? Yeah, 2885 02:29:12.879 --> 02:29:15.680 we talked about him in that No, I'm my my 2886 02:29:15.760 --> 02:29:17.840 apologies or Austin are you are you familiar with read slack? 2887 02:29:17.920 --> 02:29:21.920 And then early internet engine you're pioneer fellow. We did 2888 02:29:21.920 --> 02:29:23.159 a lot of fraud stuff with a couple of other 2889 02:29:23.239 --> 02:29:30.120 fellows scientific type. Yeah, kind of almost an extension of interesting. Okay, 2890 02:29:30.200 --> 02:29:32.440 go ahead. He's in the mix with the early search engines. 2891 02:29:32.520 --> 02:29:35.600 So as along with along with Glenne Maxwell's sister and 2892 02:29:36.440 --> 02:29:39.239 her husband who's the son of Jack Parson's number two 2893 02:29:39.639 --> 02:29:44.479 Molina from his suicide squad. So they're in the early 2894 02:29:44.559 --> 02:29:47.040 machinations of these early search engines read Slackens there in 2895 02:29:47.079 --> 02:29:50.200 these scientific scientologists are all over the early machinations of 2896 02:29:50.200 --> 02:29:53.920 the interwebs, especially you know, you know, in anything blocking anything. 2897 02:29:54.479 --> 02:29:56.760 Scientologies developed that because they want to block about you know, 2898 02:29:56.799 --> 02:29:58.760 you learn about Xenu or el Ron or some ship, 2899 02:29:59.280 --> 02:30:02.120 and then also developed the search engines stuffs with folks 2900 02:30:02.159 --> 02:30:04.680 like Red Slacken. Well, his two associates never went to prison, 2901 02:30:05.000 --> 02:30:07.680 they went to Oregon and later would finance this this 2902 02:30:07.799 --> 02:30:10.360 twin Race cult where this JJ Brian got looks exactly 2903 02:30:10.440 --> 02:30:11.440 like the fucking cult leader. 2904 02:30:11.479 --> 02:30:11.879 You ask me. 2905 02:30:13.159 --> 02:30:16.440 Yeah, the timing is it just it lends everything out. 2906 02:30:17.559 --> 02:30:17.760 Yeah. 2907 02:30:18.239 --> 02:30:20.360 JJ Brian's death is like, oh, he's thirty eight and 2908 02:30:20.399 --> 02:30:22.159 he just died with no cause of death. 2909 02:30:22.440 --> 02:30:23.360 He has no funeral. 2910 02:30:23.479 --> 02:30:26.440 His grave side is a placard, a temporary paper placter 2911 02:30:26.520 --> 02:30:27.479 to a memorial garden. 2912 02:30:29.000 --> 02:30:29.239 Wow. 2913 02:30:29.840 --> 02:30:33.200 Now he's bang in this porn star chick kutuck and. 2914 02:30:34.559 --> 02:30:36.879 Yeah, and his Yeah, his assistant came from the valley 2915 02:30:36.920 --> 02:30:38.719 there in Los Angeles. Thenment I found out she gave 2916 02:30:38.760 --> 02:30:40.319 him the valley just for general logan, my god, that 2917 02:30:40.399 --> 02:30:40.920 she did porn. 2918 02:30:42.840 --> 02:30:44.600 That became the theme of the show. 2919 02:30:44.719 --> 02:30:50.399 Actually, it's the dead eyes, you know, the it's the 2920 02:30:50.600 --> 02:30:52.920 it's the you know, the valley address, you know what 2921 02:30:52.959 --> 02:30:54.559 I mean, it's you know, it's the dead, the dead 2922 02:30:54.559 --> 02:30:55.200 stare in the eyes. 2923 02:30:55.200 --> 02:30:57.000 I'm like, it's the general appearance. If she looks like 2924 02:30:57.000 --> 02:30:58.159 a whore, you know she did. 2925 02:30:58.360 --> 02:30:58.920 Oh my god. 2926 02:31:00.000 --> 02:31:03.559 I just wanted to say, also, since we're talking about 2927 02:31:03.639 --> 02:31:05.399 kind of the end of the movie about like the 2928 02:31:06.639 --> 02:31:08.239 Laurel encampment. 2929 02:31:08.000 --> 02:31:10.600 Where yeah, yeah, I was trying to find I got 2930 02:31:10.680 --> 02:31:12.959 the sidetracked on the turgy, but please where on the 2931 02:31:12.959 --> 02:31:13.559 metal stuff? 2932 02:31:13.600 --> 02:31:15.319 As I try to find that clip, I. 2933 02:31:15.479 --> 02:31:18.920 Wanted to say before it escaped me that it reminded 2934 02:31:19.479 --> 02:31:22.000 when we see the guy like at the end of 2935 02:31:22.040 --> 02:31:24.280 the movie and Joaquin's like talking to him or whatever. 2936 02:31:24.360 --> 02:31:28.399 It reminded me of like one flew over the Cuckoo's Nest, 2937 02:31:28.479 --> 02:31:31.280 where you just kind of become part of it. 2938 02:31:32.399 --> 02:31:37.520 There is no gaping, there is no leaving that they 2939 02:31:38.200 --> 02:31:42.120 you're fully like, you're committed at that point. 2940 02:31:41.959 --> 02:31:44.319 You know what I mean, That's what Owen Wilson says 2941 02:31:44.360 --> 02:31:45.920 to him, right, because he's like, hey man, that can 2942 02:31:46.000 --> 02:31:46.520 help you out. 2943 02:31:46.559 --> 02:31:48.319 He's like, no, you can't help me out. In fact, 2944 02:31:48.680 --> 02:31:50.520 you're gonna get yourself in a lot of trouble. 2945 02:31:50.280 --> 02:31:52.760 Trying to help me out, because Awhen Wilson initially wanted 2946 02:31:52.760 --> 02:31:55.639 to go see what his wife and daughter were doing 2947 02:31:55.680 --> 02:31:57.319 because he faked his death. They thought he was dead. 2948 02:31:57.360 --> 02:31:59.959 And remember she comes to see Doc later. So everyone 2949 02:32:00.120 --> 02:32:03.079 was coming at different angles and times to come see 2950 02:32:03.120 --> 02:32:04.840 Doc to help solve some mysteries, and they all just 2951 02:32:04.920 --> 02:32:07.879 happen to coincide, and you know, and you know kind 2952 02:32:07.879 --> 02:32:09.639 of right. 2953 02:32:09.680 --> 02:32:16.000 It was that conversation where where coy Owen Owen Wilson's character, 2954 02:32:16.200 --> 02:32:20.760 right he he He essentially asked the question to to 2955 02:32:21.000 --> 02:32:26.239 Joaquin Phoenix, right, suppose your mom was on smack, right, 2956 02:32:27.120 --> 02:32:30.319 just in terms of the US. He's explaining the current situation. 2957 02:32:30.479 --> 02:32:32.799 We're it's a great way to explain it. Please continue. Yeah, 2958 02:32:32.799 --> 02:32:33.440 that's a good scene. 2959 02:32:33.799 --> 02:32:36.040 And wouldn't you try to help her? You know, I 2960 02:32:36.399 --> 02:32:38.399 just thought it was so funny because Doc was like, 2961 02:32:39.520 --> 02:32:42.879 are you saying that the US is somebody's mom? And 2962 02:32:43.000 --> 02:32:47.280 that she's strung out on the heroin basically, and and then. 2963 02:32:47.520 --> 02:32:50.040 But that's he's trying to explain because you know, because 2964 02:32:50.079 --> 02:32:51.680 again he's trying to explain how he got stuck in 2965 02:32:51.760 --> 02:32:52.520 that mess, right. 2966 02:32:52.920 --> 02:32:56.159 Exactly, because he says, man, I don't belong here man, 2967 02:32:56.719 --> 02:32:59.079 like he legitimately like he says that to him when 2968 02:32:59.559 --> 02:33:02.799 he's saying that, Oh so, the the members of vigil 2969 02:33:02.840 --> 02:33:05.879 in California, whoever you're working for, they didn't buy that 2970 02:33:06.040 --> 02:33:08.440 narrative that you just spun to me in terms of 2971 02:33:09.520 --> 02:33:13.399 he says, like after he he questions, are you saying 2972 02:33:13.440 --> 02:33:15.559 that the US is somebody's mom was strung out on 2973 02:33:15.639 --> 02:33:16.479 smack that that. 2974 02:33:16.559 --> 02:33:20.520 That face aggravated, right, Because he's not getting it right exactly, 2975 02:33:20.559 --> 02:33:22.959 he says, Phoenix, he's trying to wrap his brain hole 2976 02:33:22.959 --> 02:33:24.639 around his elephant. He's like, see, you work for village 2977 02:33:24.680 --> 02:33:27.520 in California, working for the fans over here. You're a 2978 02:33:27.639 --> 02:33:30.600 dead saxophone player over here. He's then he finds out 2979 02:33:30.639 --> 02:33:33.120 he gets linked in there with Shastafe hepwro So Phoenix 2980 02:33:33.200 --> 02:33:34.360 is like, I don't know what's going on man. 2981 02:33:34.680 --> 02:33:38.680 Exactly, And he's saying and he brings up Vietnam, right 2982 02:33:38.840 --> 02:33:41.760 in this context in terms of like the mother strung 2983 02:33:41.799 --> 02:33:44.959 out on heroin, and he says, sending people off to 2984 02:33:45.079 --> 02:33:49.120 die in the jungles for no reason. Something is wrong 2985 02:33:49.319 --> 02:33:53.520 and suicidal about that that she just can't stop. That 2986 02:33:53.760 --> 02:33:56.319 was something that that like that just stuck with me 2987 02:33:56.440 --> 02:33:59.959 for a moment, because as soon as Doc tries to 2988 02:34:00.200 --> 02:34:02.639 make sense of it, you know, as you mentioned, he 2989 02:34:02.719 --> 02:34:04.719 gets he gets a little frustrated, and he tries to 2990 02:34:04.799 --> 02:34:08.200 explain to him, hey, man, like I don't belong here. 2991 02:34:08.600 --> 02:34:12.159 And then he goes on to say after after Doc 2992 02:34:12.559 --> 02:34:16.239 asks him, like who who like sets you up with 2993 02:34:16.399 --> 02:34:19.280 this organization, you know, Visil in California, if you to 2994 02:34:19.360 --> 02:34:22.239 work for them, and and uh who set you up 2995 02:34:22.280 --> 02:34:24.760 with these people type of thing? And and uh And 2996 02:34:24.959 --> 02:34:27.360 that is when he kind of goes into this this 2997 02:34:27.680 --> 02:34:30.799 uh uh sort of personal monologue about when he first 2998 02:34:30.840 --> 02:34:34.840 started snitching, right, and he talks about how how basically, uh, 2999 02:34:35.399 --> 02:34:38.559 he realized in that moment when he first started snitching, 3000 02:34:38.639 --> 02:34:42.639 how how people be they they asked all of these 3001 02:34:42.719 --> 02:34:46.280 various questions that they already knew the answers to, and 3002 02:34:46.399 --> 02:34:48.440 it was only because they wanted to hear the answer 3003 02:34:48.559 --> 02:34:49.799 outside of their own head. 3004 02:34:50.479 --> 02:34:53.120 Right, that's essentially right, because you have this sole trippy 3005 02:34:53.159 --> 02:34:54.399 thing of what's going on in his head. 3006 02:34:54.440 --> 02:34:54.559 Right. 3007 02:34:54.559 --> 02:34:56.200 I think that's a really interesting scene. 3008 02:34:56.799 --> 02:34:59.079 Especially because the last thing that he says to him 3009 02:34:59.639 --> 02:35:04.879 is he essentially says, you better find fat Shasta fe right, 3010 02:35:05.000 --> 02:35:07.959 and then he repeaced that I believe as well. And 3011 02:35:08.200 --> 02:35:12.840 and uh, especially just understanding that she of course had 3012 02:35:13.000 --> 02:35:17.040 had her and uh, Mickey Wolfman, right, had gone missing 3013 02:35:17.120 --> 02:35:19.799 there after boarding the the Golden Fang. 3014 02:35:20.520 --> 02:35:22.719 And you brought that up because I actually have I 3015 02:35:22.840 --> 02:35:24.719 have two clips for us to describe exactly that. 3016 02:35:26.479 --> 02:35:33.399 The three hour tour. Man, this is great because this 3017 02:35:33.559 --> 02:35:36.319 is great with them messing, but there are two characters 3018 02:35:36.399 --> 02:35:36.680 mess with. 3019 02:35:37.120 --> 02:35:37.239 Right. 3020 02:35:37.760 --> 02:35:38.479 It was perfect. 3021 02:35:39.719 --> 02:35:45.440 Listen, we she's gone, Academy, She's gone, she's gone. 3022 02:35:46.600 --> 02:35:47.200 She's out there. 3023 02:35:47.280 --> 02:35:57.639 Man, it looked like the window. What tried to open 3024 02:35:57.719 --> 02:35:58.040 the door. 3025 02:36:01.000 --> 02:36:14.479 I went, she's gone, she's gone. 3026 02:36:17.879 --> 02:36:19.159 She's out there, man, she's out there. 3027 02:36:19.239 --> 02:36:21.840 She's out there, but she's out there. 3028 02:36:23.559 --> 02:36:25.360 Well, it just disappeared, just like a boyfriend. 3029 02:36:25.440 --> 02:36:27.360 Mickey and I thought, maybe you think there was a connection, 3030 02:36:27.440 --> 02:36:30.360 maybe they took off together. Yeah, she's gone, man, baby, 3031 02:36:31.159 --> 02:36:32.879 baby gone. 3032 02:36:33.159 --> 02:36:40.399 She disappeared. She went on groovy on us that try 3033 02:36:40.799 --> 02:36:42.719 to be fucking professional. 3034 02:36:42.760 --> 02:36:45.319 I just just pretend to be professional. 3035 02:36:46.559 --> 02:36:47.799 She's gone, She's gone. 3036 02:36:49.959 --> 02:36:54.120 It's so exciting about it. Real, that's a great scene 3037 02:36:54.200 --> 02:36:54.479 right there. 3038 02:36:55.120 --> 02:36:58.760 Mm hmmm. So you're telling you, man, there's something special 3039 02:36:58.799 --> 02:37:03.000 about the dynamic. But between all three of those characters, specifically, right, 3040 02:37:03.120 --> 02:37:05.559 Josh Brawlin, Benisio and and Joaquin. 3041 02:37:05.680 --> 02:37:08.520 But yeah, I enjoyed the hell out of that. 3042 02:37:08.760 --> 02:37:11.879 But I definitely feel like every time they have a 3043 02:37:12.000 --> 02:37:18.799 direct sort of just anytime they engaged directly with each other, 3044 02:37:19.159 --> 02:37:22.360 it seems like it's in a very questionable moment for 3045 02:37:22.479 --> 02:37:25.239 the audience to interpret for themselves, you know. And and 3046 02:37:25.399 --> 02:37:29.479 that's it's just interesting to me, Yeah, for sure. 3047 02:37:29.639 --> 02:37:33.040 So in regards to where they went, because she's gone, right, 3048 02:37:33.200 --> 02:37:37.079 we find out from Benicio del Toro, one of Phoenix's handlers, 3049 02:37:37.200 --> 02:37:39.879 if you will, there this marine time lawyer who keeps 3050 02:37:39.959 --> 02:37:42.399 coming in with some you know, save his ass and 3051 02:37:42.559 --> 02:37:45.399 you know, give him some key details that you know 3052 02:37:45.559 --> 02:37:47.799 that that's when he started learning about this Hollywood connection 3053 02:37:47.879 --> 02:37:50.559 with the Berks Doodgers. So what were your all thoughts, 3054 02:37:50.959 --> 02:37:54.600 Colby team peaching, you know, a pair there, if you will. 3055 02:37:54.879 --> 02:37:56.760 What are you all thoughts in the Hollywood connection and this? 3056 02:37:57.000 --> 02:37:59.200 You know, obviously you all have gone deep in Laurel 3057 02:37:59.280 --> 02:38:01.559 Canyon stuff as well, And you know one name that 3058 02:38:01.600 --> 02:38:04.360 doesn't necessarily get named, and you know, I'll just give 3059 02:38:04.399 --> 02:38:05.479 you a spoilert where. 3060 02:38:05.360 --> 02:38:06.200 My brain holds at. 3061 02:38:06.680 --> 02:38:09.200 Marlon Brando doesn't often get described in matters with the 3062 02:38:09.280 --> 02:38:12.040 Manson narratives, but he was part of that whole crew. 3063 02:38:12.639 --> 02:38:14.559 And he also doesn't get described a lot in Laurel 3064 02:38:14.600 --> 02:38:17.000 Canyon narratives. He kind of skirts around these things. But 3065 02:38:17.040 --> 02:38:19.120 I think a large part the guy we're seeing here 3066 02:38:19.200 --> 02:38:22.840 Bert Stodger is Marlon Brando. That's my opinion based on 3067 02:38:22.840 --> 02:38:24.799 a lot of character details. But what were your all 3068 02:38:24.799 --> 02:38:27.200 stots with some of these Laurel Canyon Hollywood aspects? 3069 02:38:29.120 --> 02:38:29.319 Yeah? 3070 02:38:29.360 --> 02:38:32.600 I hadn't put that one together in particular, but that's 3071 02:38:32.639 --> 02:38:39.000 a good one. I would say, just the general co 3072 02:38:39.200 --> 02:38:43.239 intel pro they're trying to recruit him in the FBI office, 3073 02:38:43.799 --> 02:38:45.040 kind of like tongue in cheek. 3074 02:38:45.760 --> 02:38:49.520 And then I really do Book of Mormon, right, Yeah, 3075 02:38:50.239 --> 02:38:50.760 I really. 3076 02:38:50.639 --> 02:38:52.840 Do think Owen Wilson's character was supposed to be in 3077 02:38:52.879 --> 02:38:55.399 the Wrecking Crew. I just think there's too many solid 3078 02:38:55.479 --> 02:38:55.959 hints for that. 3079 02:38:56.440 --> 02:38:59.879 I like it, and run by process in Phil Spector. 3080 02:39:00.719 --> 02:39:01.159 There you go. 3081 02:39:02.680 --> 02:39:05.440 Met his wife while he was taking a big diarrhea 3082 02:39:05.639 --> 02:39:06.559 ship and she was. 3083 02:39:08.719 --> 02:39:13.719 That was a very romantic description yet hard on. 3084 02:39:14.799 --> 02:39:17.200 We got Burks, I know, right, that was kind of 3085 02:39:17.319 --> 02:39:18.479 I mean the first ting I watched, I was like, 3086 02:39:18.719 --> 02:39:20.680 that's a bit, that's a bit disturbing you kind of 3087 02:39:20.719 --> 02:39:21.440 just forward. 3088 02:39:25.680 --> 02:39:28.200 We got Burke's Dodgers owns the Golden Thing ship. But 3089 02:39:28.280 --> 02:39:31.840 then he learns that Burke's Dodger runs Chris, Uh, what's 3090 02:39:32.280 --> 02:39:33.399 Chris Kylidon? Right? 3091 02:39:33.520 --> 02:39:35.639 Chris Kyladon is the name of the Looney the Looney 3092 02:39:35.719 --> 02:39:38.079 bind up in Oha. Now that's interesting. There's a couple 3093 02:39:38.079 --> 02:39:39.639 of Looney binds in OHI I think that could be 3094 02:39:39.680 --> 02:39:41.920 referencing to, not the least of which possibly not at 3095 02:39:41.959 --> 02:39:43.040 the Slon Institute. 3096 02:39:43.520 --> 02:39:43.840 M hm. 3097 02:39:44.520 --> 02:39:46.280 But what are your what was your all take on 3098 02:39:46.479 --> 02:39:47.719 the the actual actor here? 3099 02:39:47.799 --> 02:39:47.920 Then? 3100 02:39:47.959 --> 02:39:50.319 If you weren't thinking of Marlon Brandon before, who did 3101 02:39:50.360 --> 02:39:52.479 you have in mind as far as the character representation? 3102 02:39:53.639 --> 02:39:56.159 Nobody in particular. I kind of thought it was an amalgamation. 3103 02:39:56.399 --> 02:40:00.680 But when you when you describe brand though, kind of 3104 02:40:00.719 --> 02:40:04.520 skirting in the Dave McGowan narrative and all that. I'd 3105 02:40:04.600 --> 02:40:06.760 never even thought of that, but yeah, he's right in 3106 02:40:06.799 --> 02:40:07.959 the middle of all of that ship. 3107 02:40:08.520 --> 02:40:11.559 Yeah, McGowan references him and weird scenes inside the canyon, 3108 02:40:11.639 --> 02:40:12.920 but he just doesn't get a lot of press and 3109 02:40:12.920 --> 02:40:14.280 a lot of other and a lot of other takes 3110 02:40:14.319 --> 02:40:14.840 of that scene. 3111 02:40:15.079 --> 02:40:17.840 But his reference even is very minimal compared to like 3112 02:40:17.920 --> 02:40:20.079 the rat all those guys. 3113 02:40:20.319 --> 02:40:22.520 Yeah, more more focused on like the Peter Sellers of 3114 02:40:22.600 --> 02:40:27.079 that than uh. Well, Nicholson and Branda were at the hip, 3115 02:40:27.200 --> 02:40:29.000 so they share the same driveway. So if you go 3116 02:40:29.079 --> 02:40:31.479 to the north part of Laurel Kenny, you had I'm sorry, 3117 02:40:31.520 --> 02:40:34.079 the south part of Little Kenny had mohond North part 3118 02:40:34.079 --> 02:40:36.959 of Little Kenny, ha mohand drive. Austin could correct me 3119 02:40:37.040 --> 02:40:40.600 home my Los Angeles geographical references are Rome. But it's 3120 02:40:40.639 --> 02:40:42.680 at one end of the Laurel Kenny you got Moholland Drive. 3121 02:40:43.040 --> 02:40:46.280 Right off that corner you had living Alice Huxley, and 3122 02:40:46.600 --> 02:40:49.159 almost right next door was Jack Nicholson and Marland Brando 3123 02:40:49.280 --> 02:40:50.399 and they shared a driveway. 3124 02:40:52.040 --> 02:40:53.920 Was it Warren Beatty somewhere in there? 3125 02:40:54.840 --> 02:40:57.360 Yeah, Warren Baty, Yeah, not far off that mix. But 3126 02:40:57.479 --> 02:41:01.079 and also of note when Philip van At or the 3127 02:41:01.280 --> 02:41:04.200 LAPD detective, who again is much I think a character 3128 02:41:04.280 --> 02:41:07.159 basis in The Big Foot Bejornson character of Brolin when 3129 02:41:07.200 --> 02:41:09.520 he arrested Polanski had this shut toow more month for 3130 02:41:09.600 --> 02:41:12.520 that rape of that thirteen year old in nineteen seventy seven. 3131 02:41:13.360 --> 02:41:15.319 You know that rap pa Kurt on Nicholson's couch, and 3132 02:41:15.399 --> 02:41:18.239 it's not often described that cocaine Bob Evans came over 3133 02:41:18.280 --> 02:41:20.680 to help clean up the show, but where Brando was 3134 02:41:20.719 --> 02:41:22.719 in the mix is often not describing Brando. 3135 02:41:23.319 --> 02:41:25.040 There's like four or three or four folks that got 3136 02:41:25.200 --> 02:41:25.799 murdered in that. 3137 02:41:25.879 --> 02:41:29.040 Home, and as soon as Brando died, Nicholson bought the 3138 02:41:29.079 --> 02:41:30.239 property and destroyed the home. 3139 02:41:30.799 --> 02:41:34.719 Yeah, that's what I was under the impression that that 3140 02:41:34.879 --> 02:41:38.920 was the reason basically that Nicholson had purchased the property itself. 3141 02:41:39.639 --> 02:41:42.479 And then also you have all of this context of 3142 02:41:42.680 --> 02:41:46.959 Marlon Brando's strange sexual activity where he's just like, you know, 3143 02:41:47.159 --> 02:41:47.799 having sex with. 3144 02:41:49.280 --> 02:41:52.040 Yeah, you ain't kidding. So he's got like thirteen kids. 3145 02:41:52.239 --> 02:41:55.639 Nicholson's got about thirteen kids. I mean Brando, dude, one 3146 02:41:55.680 --> 02:41:57.959 of Brando's kids and was Christian got kidnapped by a 3147 02:41:58.000 --> 02:42:01.639 bunch of hippies and hit down in Mexico. Brando hired 3148 02:42:01.680 --> 02:42:03.959 literally a private detective with a hook for a hand. 3149 02:42:04.000 --> 02:42:08.879 I'm not making that ship out. Another one of his son's, 3150 02:42:08.959 --> 02:42:12.040 Nico Brande, was best friends with Michael Jackson. There's Brando 3151 02:42:12.120 --> 02:42:12.639 isn't very. 3152 02:42:15.319 --> 02:42:19.680 Michael Jackson. That is too funny, especially considering the security 3153 02:42:19.719 --> 02:42:22.920 guard that was involved with Ditty there that that obviously 3154 02:42:23.239 --> 02:42:27.360 was was allegedly the one to uh, you know, at 3155 02:42:27.440 --> 02:42:31.280 least be present during Michael Jackson's supposed to death right 3156 02:42:31.440 --> 02:42:34.559 and uh and and that's very hilarious as far as 3157 02:42:34.639 --> 02:42:38.120 the Diddy connection there and and and how much they 3158 02:42:38.159 --> 02:42:42.440 were seemingly and the the underground tunnel grotto like that 3159 02:42:42.760 --> 02:42:45.319 that was happening there with with Ditty as well, which 3160 02:42:45.360 --> 02:42:48.360 again it's like, why are these underground tunnel systems coming 3161 02:42:48.440 --> 02:42:51.159 up so very often in terms of these networks, especially 3162 02:42:51.239 --> 02:42:54.440 in their modern form, like Epstein had something similar, which 3163 02:42:54.559 --> 02:42:55.360 is very interesting. 3164 02:42:55.479 --> 02:42:59.959 And how about how about p Diddy and Hugh Haffner 3165 02:43:00.840 --> 02:43:03.520 over there in the Playboy mansion, you know, they got 3166 02:43:03.559 --> 02:43:05.799 tunnels all through there. Again, there's a lot of tunnels 3167 02:43:05.840 --> 02:43:07.799 documented in the Weird Scenes book there in the older. 3168 02:43:09.360 --> 02:43:10.399 Exactly that that. 3169 02:43:10.440 --> 02:43:13.479 Are connecting those very properties that that uh and and 3170 02:43:13.639 --> 02:43:16.840 one of them was was what was the name of 3171 02:43:17.440 --> 02:43:21.159 of that property that uh uh, the guitarists was was 3172 02:43:21.280 --> 02:43:25.040 living in for a time for some of the cabin Yeah, yeah, 3173 02:43:25.079 --> 02:43:25.680 the log cabin. 3174 02:43:25.760 --> 02:43:25.920 Yeah. 3175 02:43:25.959 --> 02:43:26.879 And then you had the double. 3176 02:43:27.040 --> 02:43:29.280 That's not just some guitarist. So that's Frank exactly. 3177 02:43:29.319 --> 02:43:33.120 He's an what I meant it does not get often 3178 02:43:33.239 --> 02:43:35.799 gets not sold because like he's he's responsible for acts 3179 02:43:35.879 --> 02:43:36.680 like Alice Cooper. 3180 02:43:36.760 --> 02:43:40.399 I mean, so much of his responsible for there. 3181 02:43:40.440 --> 02:43:43.559 You got to say, relative to the Manson situation, you 3182 02:43:43.639 --> 02:43:46.280 have a lot of crossovers with Captain fuck which was 3183 02:43:46.319 --> 02:43:49.479 a sidekick, and Captain bee Feart, which his music was 3184 02:43:49.559 --> 02:43:51.319 produced by the Colombo crime family. 3185 02:43:52.239 --> 02:43:55.239 He used to fucking like lock his musicians up and sleep, 3186 02:43:55.360 --> 02:43:56.479 deprive and starve them. 3187 02:43:56.680 --> 02:44:00.440 I didn't know about that, he told me, and I actually, 3188 02:44:01.959 --> 02:44:02.639 that's weird. 3189 02:44:02.719 --> 02:44:06.000 I've never heard of of of the bf Art connection here. 3190 02:44:06.559 --> 02:44:12.360 Yes, Captain Captain, Yes, I think he was underlying rapid, 3191 02:44:12.399 --> 02:44:12.719 didn't he. 3192 02:44:14.600 --> 02:44:17.479 So he was up there in in like Palmdale where 3193 02:44:17.600 --> 02:44:20.719 the all the defense contractors are. Dude, I moved out 3194 02:44:20.760 --> 02:44:24.120 here just like in twenty seventeen, trying to make like 3195 02:44:24.239 --> 02:44:28.600 the sort of uh you know, social, socioeconomical, uh, kind 3196 02:44:28.639 --> 02:44:33.040 of like transition from Northwest Arkansas, which was, uh, you 3197 02:44:33.120 --> 02:44:34.040 know that's different. 3198 02:44:34.120 --> 02:44:36.360 That's a whole eye opening experience from there from what hell. 3199 02:44:36.479 --> 02:44:40.840 Yeah, honestly, I'm grateful just for the the uh, the 3200 02:44:41.000 --> 02:44:44.799 perspective gained more than anything. Although I will say there 3201 02:44:45.000 --> 02:44:49.719 there are wonderful things about everywhere you live. But you know, essentially, 3202 02:44:49.840 --> 02:44:52.760 I will say it was I think it was very 3203 02:44:52.799 --> 02:44:57.040 important for me personally in terms of my own philosophy 3204 02:44:57.280 --> 02:44:58.239 on life in general. 3205 02:44:58.360 --> 02:45:00.719 But I did have to. I was forced to move 3206 02:45:00.920 --> 02:45:01.719 to the High Desert. 3207 02:45:02.239 --> 02:45:07.040 And so that area Lancaster is really near Palmdale, very 3208 02:45:07.120 --> 02:45:11.639 close by. And and essentially you're surrounded by defense contractors 3209 02:45:12.079 --> 02:45:16.760 right Locking, Locking, Martin, Boeing, raytheon. Every everything is represented there. 3210 02:45:17.159 --> 02:45:21.120 And uh, and there's signs everywhere like cancerous chemicals are 3211 02:45:21.239 --> 02:45:23.719 are are are present right in in just the pool, 3212 02:45:23.840 --> 02:45:27.079 right the public pool or whatever, and and they're they're 3213 02:45:27.239 --> 02:45:30.239 running all these experiments. You hear like these sonic booms 3214 02:45:30.959 --> 02:45:33.920 that shake your apartment occasionally like that was the experience. 3215 02:45:34.159 --> 02:45:36.079 I remember. I went out on my run one day. 3216 02:45:36.079 --> 02:45:38.159 I was just like going for a job, and I 3217 02:45:38.280 --> 02:45:43.399 didn't hear anything until a stealth bomber was legitimately flying 3218 02:45:43.600 --> 02:45:46.239 right over me right and then it was just like 3219 02:45:46.399 --> 02:45:49.760 a deafening sound, and it like blew my mind just considering. 3220 02:45:49.440 --> 02:45:52.239 Sometimes, sir, that's the last noise some folks here, That's 3221 02:45:52.280 --> 02:45:52.799 what I thought. 3222 02:45:52.879 --> 02:45:56.159 I thought, imagine being in a conflict zone, an active 3223 02:45:56.239 --> 02:45:59.479 war zone, and this is the last experience you have. 3224 02:46:00.239 --> 02:46:03.479 Like that was my instant thought. And uh, and it 3225 02:46:03.600 --> 02:46:05.920 gave me a little bit of an additional perspective in 3226 02:46:06.079 --> 02:46:09.799 terms of like once again, just like not ever considering 3227 02:46:10.399 --> 02:46:13.120 you know, the the sort of on the ground effective 3228 02:46:13.200 --> 02:46:15.840 consequence playing out and how much it truly is just 3229 02:46:15.959 --> 02:46:19.440 the most dystopian vision you could imagine seeing and and 3230 02:46:19.680 --> 02:46:22.559 uh and once you witness it yourself, it's a little 3231 02:46:22.600 --> 02:46:24.959 bit harder to deny that fact, you know what I'm saying. 3232 02:46:25.040 --> 02:46:29.280 And and and in an intelligence community like like Frank 3233 02:46:29.399 --> 02:46:32.600 Zappa grew up in with his father so much, you know, 3234 02:46:32.719 --> 02:46:34.479 I mean, like the connections in his family. 3235 02:46:34.959 --> 02:46:37.559 His wife, Gail Slewman, was in kindergarten class with Jim 3236 02:46:37.600 --> 02:46:39.520 Morrison of him a ser So you see these deeper 3237 02:46:39.559 --> 02:46:40.559 connections throughout. 3238 02:46:40.280 --> 02:46:44.200 All and Elliott Baby, oh my god. 3239 02:46:44.319 --> 02:46:48.239 Well she's definitely, uh, such a major part inside that 3240 02:46:48.520 --> 02:46:51.000 that sort of the scenes inside the canyon in a way. 3241 02:46:51.120 --> 02:46:54.159 But uh, and and a major figure in the process 3242 02:46:54.280 --> 02:46:57.639 movement as well, like her associate John John Phillips. 3243 02:46:59.280 --> 02:47:02.280 Yes, ma'am, go ahead, No, she's just she's a. 3244 02:47:02.280 --> 02:47:04.760 Big witch and physically. 3245 02:47:06.319 --> 02:47:10.239 Otherwise absolutely, And her sister has connections to folks like 3246 02:47:10.360 --> 02:47:12.719 out in the Santa Sam Colt has documented the Maury 3247 02:47:12.799 --> 02:47:16.000 Terry Files, and because you know the councle sister there, 3248 02:47:16.360 --> 02:47:18.879 she was also a singer. And again Mama Cass and 3249 02:47:18.959 --> 02:47:22.680 John Phillips are documented financing I believe it's called financiers 3250 02:47:23.079 --> 02:47:25.879 of the process activity in Los Angeles, and you see 3251 02:47:25.959 --> 02:47:29.239 John Phillips being deeply indrawed involved in the cocaine trade 3252 02:47:29.280 --> 02:47:32.159 well much like his pal Cocaine Bob Evans, both getting 3253 02:47:32.200 --> 02:47:35.440 busted for cocaine trafficking. So we see that represented here 3254 02:47:35.520 --> 02:47:37.799 with this this Hollywood actor Bert Burke Stodger. 3255 02:47:38.360 --> 02:47:39.959 We see them He's got the Golden fangship. 3256 02:47:40.000 --> 02:47:42.319 They're going to Polynesia, just saying Marlon Branda has got 3257 02:47:42.319 --> 02:47:45.799 a Polynesian island to date, owns a Polynesian island himself 3258 02:47:46.120 --> 02:47:49.120 and his trust for his family. In fact, that one 3259 02:47:49.200 --> 02:47:51.120 fellow that got murdered by his son in his house 3260 02:47:51.159 --> 02:47:53.959 there off of Moholland driving Little Canyon was a member 3261 02:47:53.959 --> 02:47:57.639 of the Polynesian French Polynesian royal family. So uh, a 3262 02:47:57.719 --> 02:48:00.319 lot of weird stuff there. But we see them being 3263 02:48:00.319 --> 02:48:02.920 involved in the drug trafficking and this larger enterprise of 3264 02:48:03.000 --> 02:48:07.440 hood ratchet activity of this this cult network and tyranny, 3265 02:48:07.680 --> 02:48:10.000 if you will. But you know, it's often I think 3266 02:48:10.079 --> 02:48:12.280 one thing I think folks don't often consider, and I 3267 02:48:12.319 --> 02:48:15.319 think it's one thing that easily, you know, kind of dismisses. Yeah, 3268 02:48:15.440 --> 02:48:18.600 Tom Cruise is involved in spook stuff. Were Yeah, Marlon 3269 02:48:18.680 --> 02:48:21.159 Brando is importing cocaine, you know what I mean? Or yeah, 3270 02:48:21.399 --> 02:48:22.879 Garth Brooks is a serial killer. 3271 02:48:22.920 --> 02:48:24.920 But you know what, sometimes I think these things are 3272 02:48:24.920 --> 02:48:26.120 reasonable conclusions. 3273 02:48:29.159 --> 02:48:32.559 Yeah, I think that. I mean, just knowing the strange 3274 02:48:32.639 --> 02:48:36.280 connections there between Mama Casts and Terry Melcher and John 3275 02:48:36.319 --> 02:48:37.840 Phillips and Abigail. 3276 02:48:37.479 --> 02:48:39.799 Folger and they're all like, what was it? It was 3277 02:48:39.840 --> 02:48:40.479 it MDA. 3278 02:48:40.719 --> 02:48:44.520 I'm trying to remember now the substance that allegedly there 3279 02:48:44.639 --> 02:48:48.399 was this huge Yeah, there was a huge falling out 3280 02:48:48.760 --> 02:48:52.719 allegedly and one of the key the key distributors that 3281 02:48:52.920 --> 02:48:56.040 had an intelligence background that was providing the MDA to 3282 02:48:56.079 --> 02:48:59.479 Abigail Folger and the Mama Cast network through her house 3283 02:48:59.520 --> 02:49:03.959 where a lot of this was happening. Apparently, go ahead, 3284 02:49:04.559 --> 02:49:05.959 No was his name was Puck? 3285 02:49:06.040 --> 02:49:06.159 Right? 3286 02:49:06.719 --> 02:49:08.120 Yeah? Yeah, I believe that was the name. 3287 02:49:08.200 --> 02:49:08.399 Yeah. 3288 02:49:08.799 --> 02:49:14.840 And we see here then and when he when he when? When? 3289 02:49:15.040 --> 02:49:19.159 When Doc goes to that crash pad for the spooks 3290 02:49:19.239 --> 02:49:22.159 in in uh to Panga Canyon, the first thing he 3291 02:49:22.239 --> 02:49:26.360 sees is is a skinhead with a with a swastika 3292 02:49:26.479 --> 02:49:28.319 on his jean jacket, right, Like, isn't that. 3293 02:49:28.920 --> 02:49:31.159 This guy there too? If you see him in the background, 3294 02:49:31.200 --> 02:49:34.079 he's closing the door there, y is always there. 3295 02:49:34.600 --> 02:49:38.719 And by the way, didn't you recognize the sort of uh, 3296 02:49:40.680 --> 02:49:44.239 the final supper right, the Lord that was essentially taking 3297 02:49:44.319 --> 02:49:47.520 place in a way like, yes, the symbology you have 3298 02:49:47.600 --> 02:49:48.760 the symbolic nature of that. 3299 02:49:48.879 --> 02:49:50.159 Scene with eating pizza. 3300 02:49:50.920 --> 02:49:55.079 Yes, you consider the idea of what we talked about 3301 02:49:55.120 --> 02:49:58.200 privately before the show started about how Paul Thomas Anderson, 3302 02:49:58.239 --> 02:50:01.920 the director himself. Uh then then went on to to, uh, 3303 02:50:02.600 --> 02:50:07.600 you know, obviously, uh just creating and produce the and 3304 02:50:07.799 --> 02:50:11.639 and direct the film known as a as a Licorice Pizza, right, 3305 02:50:11.760 --> 02:50:15.600 and and that to me it seemed like something it's 3306 02:50:15.760 --> 02:50:19.159 very creepy in terms of at least the pedophilic symbology. 3307 02:50:19.559 --> 02:50:23.479 But at the same time, I think, uh, the plotline 3308 02:50:23.520 --> 02:50:26.120 of that film is, like I mentioned, very it makes 3309 02:50:26.159 --> 02:50:28.319 you very uncomfortable, you know what I mean. It seems 3310 02:50:28.319 --> 02:50:31.719 as if it's it's like, uh, in a way, it's 3311 02:50:32.120 --> 02:50:35.079 sort of like a pedophile's magnum opis. It reminded me 3312 02:50:35.200 --> 02:50:38.399 of Leon the professional and certain aspects of it, right, 3313 02:50:38.479 --> 02:50:41.280 which you remember that strange Natalie Portman film with that 3314 02:50:41.440 --> 02:50:41.840 hit Man. 3315 02:50:42.319 --> 02:50:46.559 So so it feels like the director was a straight 3316 02:50:46.639 --> 02:50:47.200 up pedophile. 3317 02:50:47.280 --> 02:50:49.719 It's almost as creepy as the time Brookes Shields played 3318 02:50:49.719 --> 02:50:51.760 a ten year old prostitut in Hollywood film and they 3319 02:50:51.799 --> 02:50:53.920 put her in Playboy Naked as a ten year old 3320 02:50:54.639 --> 02:50:57.319 that really had almost Yeah, that happened. 3321 02:50:57.360 --> 02:50:57.879 That's the real thing. 3322 02:50:58.680 --> 02:51:00.959 She was in the Sugar and Spice edition. 3323 02:51:02.280 --> 02:51:04.719 It was in their French director who did these things. 3324 02:51:05.520 --> 02:51:08.920 So my god, but I like, what does that sir? 3325 02:51:09.200 --> 02:51:12.159 I think his n I think his name is bull 3326 02:51:12.200 --> 02:51:13.079 Sheet Bulls. 3327 02:51:13.799 --> 02:51:15.639 Yeah, that makes ten year old. 3328 02:51:17.120 --> 02:51:20.079 So we're seeing the machinations of all this whole network 3329 02:51:20.159 --> 02:51:23.399 of this cult, these Nazis, the and Yah Queen Phoenix's 3330 02:51:23.479 --> 02:51:26.159 character is starting to understand it when he visits the 3331 02:51:26.239 --> 02:51:29.200 Booby Hatch that Japonica Fenway got sent to, you know, 3332 02:51:29.319 --> 02:51:32.399 the powerful attorney their daughter, who gave him his first 3333 02:51:32.559 --> 02:51:35.239 job to find her, you know, a couple of years prior. 3334 02:51:35.639 --> 02:51:37.719 We see all that kind of coalescing here towards the 3335 02:51:37.799 --> 02:51:40.920 end of the film in the Chris Kalodon, which is 3336 02:51:41.040 --> 02:51:43.799 this Loune the Booby Hatch up in Ohai, the Looney Bend, 3337 02:51:43.920 --> 02:51:47.280 and it's run by Book Burke's Dodger where they literally 3338 02:51:47.360 --> 02:51:50.680 have a theater in this clip just previous to the scene, 3339 02:51:51.040 --> 02:51:53.239 they have a theater that plays twenty four to seven 3340 02:51:53.399 --> 02:51:54.600 Burke's Dodger films. 3341 02:51:54.600 --> 02:51:57.799 How is that not some sort of hypnotic programming Exactly. 3342 02:51:59.680 --> 02:52:00.680 You've to see the doctor. 3343 02:52:00.760 --> 02:52:03.159 He walks into the theater and he's immediately reciting the 3344 02:52:03.280 --> 02:52:05.559 line from the film It's and it says, you get 3345 02:52:05.600 --> 02:52:07.040 out of here comedy or whatever that is. 3346 02:52:07.159 --> 02:52:11.840 Right, God, I'm gonna have to rewatch the the because 3347 02:52:11.840 --> 02:52:14.280 I only got about halfway again on my rewatch, so 3348 02:52:14.319 --> 02:52:16.120 I'm gonna have to watch the rest of it tonight. 3349 02:52:16.200 --> 02:52:19.399 Honestly, y'all remember that scene, He's like Alexander Graham Bell 3350 02:52:19.479 --> 02:52:25.360 was an American. He invented this telephone, You comedy bastard. Yeah, yeah, 3351 02:52:25.360 --> 02:52:27.239 So it is that whole red scare thing, and again 3352 02:52:27.719 --> 02:52:31.559 that the Burke's Dodgers. As you know, Benicio del Tora 3353 02:52:31.600 --> 02:52:33.239 explains in one scene, he's trying to get back in 3354 02:52:33.280 --> 02:52:34.959 the good graces of Hollywood. 3355 02:52:34.520 --> 02:52:35.680 And the American government. 3356 02:52:36.280 --> 02:52:39.360 That's why he's financing this shit because he got Allston 3357 02:52:39.440 --> 02:52:43.239 from being a comedy will So did so did Marlon Brando. 3358 02:52:43.280 --> 02:52:46.559 You know who got Marlon Brando back in Hollywood? Old cocaine. 3359 02:52:46.760 --> 02:52:47.639 Bob Evans. 3360 02:52:48.239 --> 02:52:51.159 Interesting, very interesting. 3361 02:52:51.680 --> 02:52:53.600 So we see that. We see that parallel too. 3362 02:52:53.680 --> 02:52:56.520 But I do like this scene because they're also going 3363 02:52:56.680 --> 02:52:59.040 to say, like, oh, pay no attention to the man 3364 02:52:59.200 --> 02:53:01.799 with the like I was saying with the Keno. These 3365 02:53:01.840 --> 02:53:05.280 are not the sating thats you're looking for, Jedi mind 3366 02:53:05.319 --> 02:53:07.239 trick jacquein Phoenix. That is not a man with a 3367 02:53:07.319 --> 02:53:13.440 Nazi tattoo on his face. Yeah, he's an ancient Hindu symbol, right, Yeah, 3368 02:53:14.840 --> 02:53:16.959 why not turn around and sell them a program to 3369 02:53:17.000 --> 02:53:19.639 help kick There's a whole effect too. 3370 02:53:20.319 --> 02:53:24.280 As much revenue coming and going, American life was something 3371 02:53:24.360 --> 02:53:27.879 to be escaped from the cartel could always be sure 3372 02:53:27.920 --> 02:53:30.440 of a bottomless pool of new customers. 3373 02:53:32.840 --> 02:53:35.239 I love on Wilson's face in this. 3374 02:53:36.079 --> 02:53:37.879 He freaks out. He's like, what the fuck are you doing? 3375 02:53:38.639 --> 02:53:38.920 Fuck? 3376 02:53:39.639 --> 02:53:42.000 Yeah, they're Shasta face high right, the. 3377 02:53:42.680 --> 02:53:46.600 La on Buck Beaverton, right, isn't that yeah, old Buck 3378 02:53:46.680 --> 02:53:48.280 Beaverton crazy? 3379 02:53:57.159 --> 02:54:00.360 Hm. 3380 02:54:00.920 --> 02:54:02.479 This reminds me a son of Sam. 3381 02:54:02.639 --> 02:54:06.520 I'm honestly right, very you know, kind of ritualistic aspects to. 3382 02:54:06.559 --> 02:54:10.920 All this Thris face, No, it isn't. 3383 02:54:11.840 --> 02:54:18.200 That's an ancient Hindu symbol. It brings good fortune, luck 3384 02:54:18.280 --> 02:54:24.959 and well being. What do you mean? No, that look 3385 02:54:25.040 --> 02:54:28.239 like a swaster. I mean he isn't a regular employee 3386 02:54:28.319 --> 02:54:35.079 at the institute. Perhaps you should pay no attention. 3387 02:54:34.879 --> 02:54:35.399 To that man. 3388 02:54:37.000 --> 02:54:39.239 It's all twisted up too. Don He's like, oh, no 3389 02:54:39.319 --> 02:54:40.120 attention to that man. 3390 02:54:40.840 --> 02:54:43.040 So we see again, like everything's kind of coalescing in 3391 02:54:43.079 --> 02:54:46.159 there's old cocaine Bob and Henry Kissinger. You know JJ, 3392 02:54:46.319 --> 02:54:49.239 Brian's boss best My god. 3393 02:54:49.159 --> 02:54:54.159 Man, Hey, JJ, have you ever seen that Comedy Central 3394 02:54:54.200 --> 02:54:58.079 cartoon Kid Notorious? I love that cartoon, So you have 3395 02:54:58.200 --> 02:55:00.399 seen it? Every time you mentioned cocaine by I want 3396 02:55:00.440 --> 02:55:01.440 to ask if you know about it? 3397 02:55:01.600 --> 02:55:05.799 So there he got the cocaine cocaine induced idea to 3398 02:55:05.879 --> 02:55:08.479 make a cartoon about his life, literally his true life, 3399 02:55:08.520 --> 02:55:11.319 according to him. So his next door neighbors Slash from 3400 02:55:11.399 --> 02:55:13.600 Guns n' Roses is a star in it. I think 3401 02:55:13.639 --> 02:55:15.639 he's got a talking cat, right, you know what I mean, 3402 02:55:15.680 --> 02:55:17.520 He's a he's got a Butler situation. 3403 02:55:18.319 --> 02:55:20.760 It's real weird, but it's right. It's it's it gets 3404 02:55:20.799 --> 02:55:21.799 you right in the it. 3405 02:55:22.239 --> 02:55:25.360 It paints a great picture inside the cocaine field mind 3406 02:55:25.399 --> 02:55:28.159 of old Bob Robert Evans here, who by the way, 3407 02:55:28.600 --> 02:55:30.559 hails from Westchester County, New York. 3408 02:55:30.600 --> 02:55:34.840 It's a real dent of iniquity there. Wow, Which one 3409 02:55:35.000 --> 02:55:37.479 is Bob the shirtless bastard? 3410 02:55:37.479 --> 02:55:39.239 I don't want I don't know what happened before after 3411 02:55:39.319 --> 02:55:41.639 this picture, but that's the man who brings us the 3412 02:55:41.719 --> 02:55:45.079 national security state. Henry Kissinger, whose right hand man Brince 3413 02:55:45.159 --> 02:55:48.319 Gocroft would then produce one of these new process colts 3414 02:55:48.319 --> 02:55:49.600 there with JJ Bryan. 3415 02:55:51.639 --> 02:55:55.000 Telling you, man, it's if you know just how well 3416 02:55:55.079 --> 02:55:59.000 connected the Henry Kissinger's of the world truly are, you 3417 02:55:59.079 --> 02:56:01.280 know what I mean. It's just like I remember whenever 3418 02:56:01.399 --> 02:56:06.680 I covered I believe it was the Pilgrim Society and 3419 02:56:06.719 --> 02:56:11.680 the Anglo American establishment reminds me, honestly of just like, uh, 3420 02:56:11.799 --> 02:56:16.200 they need an Anglo white man on the strip, right essentially, 3421 02:56:16.360 --> 02:56:19.200 you know, That's what it reminded me of. But but yeah, 3422 02:56:19.280 --> 02:56:24.520 I mean, what are what are the sort of loyalties 3423 02:56:24.559 --> 02:56:28.399 and affiliations for the fraternal organizations that they belonged to. 3424 02:56:28.559 --> 02:56:31.799 I mean, you see the Henry Kissingers of the world 3425 02:56:31.879 --> 02:56:35.319 and they're members of of the these. 3426 02:56:37.159 --> 02:56:37.360 Yeah. 3427 02:56:38.600 --> 02:56:42.360 And if the Pilgrim Society stund started by US Center 3428 02:56:42.520 --> 02:56:45.959 from New York, Chauncey Depew a hereditary member of the 3429 02:56:46.040 --> 02:56:48.040 Society of the Cincinnati. But please continue, yes. 3430 02:56:48.520 --> 02:56:51.239 Which that's another reason why, because like when I did 3431 02:56:51.280 --> 02:56:56.639 the Pilgrim Society episode, I consistently continued to obviously come 3432 02:56:56.719 --> 02:57:01.280 up against this this real ring the Society of the 3433 02:57:01.360 --> 02:57:06.120 Cincinnati that I couldn't seem to uh yeah, yeah, I 3434 02:57:06.159 --> 02:57:09.319 couldn't seem to just find my way just it was 3435 02:57:09.479 --> 02:57:13.360 very interesting. It consistently came up and again Knights of 3436 02:57:13.479 --> 02:57:17.079 Malta member Alexander Haig, who was very much involved with 3437 02:57:17.200 --> 02:57:18.399 Henry Kissinger as well. 3438 02:57:18.479 --> 02:57:21.479 And I think that yeah, so, I think what you're 3439 02:57:21.520 --> 02:57:24.000 describing is what I describe as the anti liberty faction 3440 02:57:24.120 --> 02:57:26.239 of the Society of the Cincinnati's feuding factions, and they 3441 02:57:26.319 --> 02:57:27.799 manifested very incapacities. 3442 02:57:27.879 --> 02:57:29.639 But the British invasion is a good way to put it. 3443 02:57:29.959 --> 02:57:31.120 With the Pilgrim Society. 3444 02:57:31.520 --> 02:57:34.040 Would you believe a founding member of the Processed Church 3445 02:57:34.319 --> 02:57:36.520 is the daughter of a hereditary member of the Society 3446 02:57:36.559 --> 02:57:39.239 of Cincinnati out of the South Carolina chapter. His name 3447 02:57:39.319 --> 02:57:43.680 is Satan Drakeon Astor Drayton. His first cousin, His first 3448 02:57:43.760 --> 02:57:47.360 cousin was the financier of the Church of Satan in 3449 02:57:47.440 --> 02:57:50.280 the benefactor to Anton LEVAYU. 3450 02:57:51.200 --> 02:57:53.920 Wait wait, wait, what was this guy's name? His name 3451 02:57:54.040 --> 02:57:55.159 was Satan for real? 3452 02:57:56.000 --> 02:57:58.520 Yeah, well his name was John Astor Drayton. He's a 3453 02:57:58.799 --> 02:58:01.399 He's a Gatston Drayton, Astro Fellaws. 3454 02:58:01.440 --> 02:58:07.280 So the ass he's an ast Yeah, who's the Astor 3455 02:58:07.399 --> 02:58:10.719 that was in the hundred and seven Prominent Names in 3456 02:58:10.799 --> 02:58:13.719 Epstein's Black Book. It was one of they were a 3457 02:58:13.760 --> 02:58:16.959 Pilgrim Siety member. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. 3458 02:58:16.920 --> 02:58:18.959 Keep and I'm not sure on that one. 3459 02:58:18.959 --> 02:58:21.760 Dude, It's fascinating, but go ahead keep talking, because well. 3460 02:58:21.639 --> 02:58:24.760 His cousin Astor was married to this fellow named Boovier. 3461 02:58:25.479 --> 02:58:28.600 He was the heir to the Vicars gun manufacturing company 3462 02:58:29.040 --> 02:58:33.120 who financed LaVey's hero, which was his fellow by the 3463 02:58:33.200 --> 02:58:36.959 name of Basil Zarhoff who was this international gun trafficker, 3464 02:58:37.639 --> 02:58:40.200 and say, and uh, you know, cult fucker. So he 3465 02:58:40.399 --> 02:58:42.840 was in competition. Some folks claim he was the most 3466 02:58:42.879 --> 02:58:46.360 wicked man in the world, not Crowley. So the folks 3467 02:58:46.440 --> 02:58:49.200 that financed him was this Vicker's fortune, the heir to 3468 02:58:49.280 --> 02:58:53.799 that was the who by by the Oners. He calls 3469 02:58:53.799 --> 02:58:56.559 it an autobiography. It's written by his second wife, Blanche Barton. 3470 02:58:57.040 --> 02:58:59.760 But LaVey's autobiography says that's who financed and was an 3471 02:59:00.079 --> 02:59:01.959 You remember, was this boovi Ar Fellaw who was the 3472 02:59:02.000 --> 02:59:06.360 heir to that Vickers company. And Levey's says himself numerous 3473 02:59:06.399 --> 02:59:09.159 times how he venerates his Basil zar Haf fella. 3474 02:59:09.719 --> 02:59:12.280 So again that was bad. That's who financed. Basles are off. 3475 02:59:12.360 --> 02:59:16.120 So Bouvier's wife is asked, this Aster lady whose first 3476 02:59:16.239 --> 02:59:20.959 cousin's Astor with Satan Astor Drayton and Satan Aster. Drayton's 3477 02:59:21.040 --> 02:59:24.680 daughter married Timothy Wiley. Timothy Wiley's the Fozzy the Bear 3478 02:59:24.760 --> 02:59:26.760 guy up here, I think, because who Timothy Wiley is. 3479 02:59:27.239 --> 02:59:29.719 That's Robert that's up at the Grimston. That's Timothy Wiley's 3480 02:59:29.719 --> 02:59:30.959 best friend up at to Grimston. 3481 02:59:32.840 --> 02:59:36.920 Ny have you watched Archive eighty one on Netflix. 3482 02:59:37.319 --> 02:59:38.280 I've never heard of it, ma'am. 3483 02:59:39.159 --> 02:59:41.799 Well, we should cover it for Halloween because a lot 3484 02:59:41.879 --> 02:59:45.760 of these names you're mentioning, they used those names in 3485 02:59:46.040 --> 02:59:51.200 Archive eighty one. They even use like the apartment that. 3486 02:59:51.319 --> 02:59:57.120 They moved into is called the Vickers and that like 3487 02:59:57.280 --> 03:00:02.319 a lot of the characters their names are like the names. 3488 03:00:02.559 --> 03:00:02.719 Yeah. 3489 03:00:02.719 --> 03:00:05.120 And they have this big DNA collection thing going on. 3490 03:00:05.280 --> 03:00:11.959 Yeah, they have like an ancestry DNA. Come on, you 3491 03:00:12.079 --> 03:00:15.159 need to watch it. I may Colby watch it. It's incredible, 3492 03:00:15.239 --> 03:00:15.639 it's good. 3493 03:00:15.799 --> 03:00:18.399 I appreciate the recommendation that will check it out. As 3494 03:00:18.399 --> 03:00:20.319 I mentioned, man, I'm gonna be doing every film review 3495 03:00:20.360 --> 03:00:24.319 in Halloween or month of October's horror Halloween focused. 3496 03:00:24.360 --> 03:00:25.600 So we'll be all, I have that one to the 3497 03:00:25.639 --> 03:00:26.239 list because. 3498 03:00:26.040 --> 03:00:27.079 I don't have a lot. I don't do a lot 3499 03:00:27.120 --> 03:00:29.280 of horror and Halloween stuff. So, oh, you'll like to 3500 03:00:29.280 --> 03:00:30.879 I appreciate your recommendation on that one. 3501 03:00:31.799 --> 03:00:34.600 Yeah, actually, Austin, you would probably dig it to our 3502 03:00:34.680 --> 03:00:35.479 chive eighty one. 3503 03:00:36.879 --> 03:00:39.920 Unless I'll check it out for sure, because I'm definitely 3504 03:00:39.959 --> 03:00:43.680 always interested to see if there's some sort of value 3505 03:00:44.040 --> 03:00:45.959 in modern Hollywood these days. 3506 03:00:46.079 --> 03:00:49.719 You know, that's a good one sometimes, right, sometimes a 3507 03:00:49.879 --> 03:00:50.319 good one. 3508 03:00:51.239 --> 03:00:53.360 By the way, it was the name, and I probably 3509 03:00:53.399 --> 03:00:55.559 should jet within the next fifteen minutes, just so you 3510 03:00:55.600 --> 03:00:55.920 guys know. 3511 03:00:56.280 --> 03:00:58.319 No, that's perfect, I got I got two more clips. 3512 03:00:58.360 --> 03:01:00.120 I was just gonna say, let's bring this in for 3513 03:01:00.280 --> 03:01:03.920 landing because I got at we got is. 3514 03:01:04.159 --> 03:01:06.840 Willing if you're if you're ever interested, do a follow 3515 03:01:06.920 --> 03:01:09.680 up on a part two or something, because there's still plenty. 3516 03:01:09.799 --> 03:01:15.120 But but uh, anytime, I definitely think that uh one. 3517 03:01:15.760 --> 03:01:18.000 Oh and by the way, I just pulled it up. 3518 03:01:18.239 --> 03:01:22.399 It was the so it was asked, so it was Waldorf, 3519 03:01:22.600 --> 03:01:26.639 William Waldorf Astor the third, the fourth, Viscount Astor is 3520 03:01:26.680 --> 03:01:31.280 apparently who was on the the specifically on the Epstein list, 3521 03:01:31.360 --> 03:01:32.680 which I found very interesting. 3522 03:01:32.799 --> 03:01:38.440 But the air of the Waldorf school guy, uh, that's. 3523 03:01:38.319 --> 03:01:41.239 What the claim is here in terms of of his background, 3524 03:01:41.360 --> 03:01:45.639 which not at all. Is that surprising, honestly. 3525 03:01:45.319 --> 03:01:48.760 And like one other guy too was in that. He's 3526 03:01:48.799 --> 03:01:51.000 shady as fucked too. And I always thought the Waldorf 3527 03:01:51.120 --> 03:01:54.600 schools system was like pretty cool. But he got a 3528 03:01:54.680 --> 03:01:55.280 wonder Now. 3529 03:01:56.879 --> 03:01:59.840 That's a descendant from the Astors, and I can't remember 3530 03:02:00.040 --> 03:02:02.200 who it is now, but they changed their last name. 3531 03:02:02.959 --> 03:02:05.200 Speaking a lady that was the wife of the financier 3532 03:02:05.239 --> 03:02:07.319 for the Church of Satan. She's the daughter of John 3533 03:02:07.399 --> 03:02:09.239 Jacob Astor, the fourth from the Titanic. 3534 03:02:09.319 --> 03:02:10.000 I saw it in the check. 3535 03:02:10.239 --> 03:02:14.440 I gonn that too, yeah, which is where story Oregon 3536 03:02:14.520 --> 03:02:16.440 is named after where the goonies are from. 3537 03:02:17.399 --> 03:02:20.280 Oh my god, a story of really. 3538 03:02:20.639 --> 03:02:22.959 Yeah, that's the or John Ticcobash of the fourth and 3539 03:02:23.120 --> 03:02:24.639 is his fur trading corporation. 3540 03:02:25.200 --> 03:02:28.159 Fuck me, dude, is there nothing sacred? 3541 03:02:29.600 --> 03:02:31.639 They all know each other, they all know each other, 3542 03:02:31.760 --> 03:02:34.360 but in this and this scene is we're getting to 3543 03:02:34.399 --> 03:02:36.680 a close here. I thank you, thank you all for 3544 03:02:36.799 --> 03:02:38.040 joining them here to get a little g C. D. 3545 03:02:38.159 --> 03:02:40.879 In the folks of the interwebs. This is possibly my 3546 03:02:41.040 --> 03:02:43.559 favorite scene. But we see the whole Golden Fang thing 3547 03:02:43.600 --> 03:02:46.719 getting mess. They're kind of poking each other around the 3548 03:02:46.760 --> 03:02:49.360 matters of the Golden Fang and some very capacities. But 3549 03:02:49.440 --> 03:02:51.959 we uh see Browin kind of really starting to lose 3550 03:02:51.959 --> 03:02:52.440 a ship here. 3551 03:02:52.600 --> 03:03:04.799 You know, he. 3552 03:03:10.959 --> 03:03:12.680 Case tuk quite as good as my mother's. But what 3553 03:03:12.799 --> 03:03:14.879 I really know, respect. 3554 03:03:21.120 --> 03:03:22.879 Oh, it was a short and clip, but. 3555 03:03:24.639 --> 03:03:26.079 I thought he had I thought he had the little 3556 03:03:26.079 --> 03:03:27.680 note card game he played there, because's when he plays 3557 03:03:27.719 --> 03:03:30.360 the note card and he finds Puck Beaverton card and 3558 03:03:30.440 --> 03:03:32.399 he sets him up for the shootout with Puck Beaverton. 3559 03:03:32.479 --> 03:03:34.239 But he's not done messing with old Doc there, is 3560 03:03:34.319 --> 03:03:37.600 he Because after the shootout, Doc comes to after getting 3561 03:03:37.639 --> 03:03:40.280 drugged in a in a gunfight, after getting kidnapped, right, 3562 03:03:40.959 --> 03:03:44.840 he finds himself on Bigfoot. There's a loading some of 3563 03:03:44.920 --> 03:03:47.079 that old china white it looks like in the trunk 3564 03:03:47.120 --> 03:03:47.520 of his car. 3565 03:03:48.159 --> 03:03:53.440 Dude, I know, right, and and honestly I wondered because 3566 03:03:54.360 --> 03:03:58.120 again it's like that was that was the the sort 3567 03:03:58.159 --> 03:04:01.399 of only tool that he could he could potentially use 3568 03:04:02.000 --> 03:04:05.680 to help free Owen Wilson or Koy Right that Owen. 3569 03:04:05.520 --> 03:04:08.040 Wilson's character, well, that's what he's doing, right, He's like, 3570 03:04:08.120 --> 03:04:09.760 even though he doesn't realize it yet, he's thinks he 3571 03:04:09.760 --> 03:04:11.559 just put him on, he has put him in danger, 3572 03:04:11.680 --> 03:04:14.600 but he's been orchestrating the entire thing, and that is 3573 03:04:14.600 --> 03:04:16.920 the last thing to orchestrate, is the But. 3574 03:04:17.159 --> 03:04:20.280 That makes me feel like it's even more possible. 3575 03:04:22.079 --> 03:04:25.639 Yeah, Ud, Like, honestly you're saying that I do want 3576 03:04:25.639 --> 03:04:27.200 to watch it again with all that in mind. 3577 03:04:27.360 --> 03:04:31.440 Doesn't that make Benissio's character a figment. 3578 03:04:31.239 --> 03:04:37.399 Of everything through his perspective, or it could be a 3579 03:04:37.479 --> 03:04:40.399 scenario where he is both of them exactly. 3580 03:04:40.799 --> 03:04:43.719 You remember the scene like when he the first scene 3581 03:04:43.760 --> 03:04:47.239 we see Benissio, I forget his name in the movie, 3582 03:04:47.280 --> 03:04:51.159 but he comes to walking Phoenix at the. 3583 03:04:51.559 --> 03:04:56.760 Police interrogated first and Bigfoot's like and he's like, uh, 3584 03:04:57.120 --> 03:05:04.319 you're gonna kick him? Yes, yeah, for sure, You're definitely right. 3585 03:05:04.399 --> 03:05:08.520 As far as I can't, I can't think of a 3586 03:05:08.639 --> 03:05:10.920 scene other than when the wife's in the background during 3587 03:05:10.959 --> 03:05:15.440 the phone calls, where it's they're interacting with anybody else side. 3588 03:05:15.280 --> 03:05:18.479 Right, or the sun pouring the whiskey for him as 3589 03:05:18.520 --> 03:05:20.879 well when he's on the phone too. That's another thing. 3590 03:05:21.000 --> 03:05:23.200 But I mean you all were capturing one of the 3591 03:05:23.239 --> 03:05:25.879 elements I love about this film. And again it's captured 3592 03:05:25.920 --> 03:05:30.120 also in this this clip here. Everything is a dream, right, 3593 03:05:34.239 --> 03:05:36.440 I mean that is this is the nature of the film, right, 3594 03:05:40.120 --> 03:05:42.280 you see you see this ongoing theme right. 3595 03:05:42.280 --> 03:05:43.760 The rally California. 3596 03:05:44.520 --> 03:05:46.600 Everything is kind of hazy in every scene. Right, this 3597 03:05:46.719 --> 03:05:48.760 is that scene where he's going through the little House 3598 03:05:48.799 --> 03:05:49.399 of the Nazis. 3599 03:05:50.159 --> 03:05:54.000 Yeah, there's this frost conjack anything that might be a threat, but. 3600 03:05:54.000 --> 03:05:56.399 I mean everything is kind of hazy, Like the narrators 3601 03:05:56.479 --> 03:05:57.600 kind of giving this kind. 3602 03:05:57.440 --> 03:05:58.040 Of dream. 3603 03:05:59.600 --> 03:06:01.440 When he said there with Owen and they're having the 3604 03:06:01.520 --> 03:06:05.159 conversation with between the two characters, they're whispering, trying to 3605 03:06:05.239 --> 03:06:08.440 act at first, they're using coded language as if he's 3606 03:06:08.479 --> 03:06:10.799 trying to sell him a car or he's following up 3607 03:06:10.840 --> 03:06:14.159 on some sort of like private car sales, uh, you know. 3608 03:06:15.280 --> 03:06:17.040 To figure out the late model of the car and stuff. 3609 03:06:17.319 --> 03:06:17.520 Yeah. 3610 03:06:17.600 --> 03:06:22.479 Yeah, But the person that walks behind them during that, 3611 03:06:24.319 --> 03:06:28.639 they're the glass behind them. But that was like no way. 3612 03:06:28.719 --> 03:06:30.879 The guys staring straight at them. You can't see his 3613 03:06:31.000 --> 03:06:34.559 face very well, but he's suited. It's like a It 3614 03:06:34.959 --> 03:06:37.280 felt like a fed and surveiled. 3615 03:06:37.360 --> 03:06:39.840 Oh that's interesting. Well maybe that's why they're they're whispering 3616 03:06:39.879 --> 03:06:42.879 to each other because he's playing a rolling stone if 3617 03:06:42.920 --> 03:06:46.000 you will, you know where they turn rolling turntables or 3618 03:06:46.040 --> 03:06:50.000 something like that, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah they but 3619 03:06:50.200 --> 03:06:52.680 you know and Ellen Wilson's that's the band he used 3620 03:06:52.680 --> 03:06:54.479 to play with, and they're like, oh no, one remembers me. 3621 03:06:54.559 --> 03:06:55.680 They got too much dopers. 3622 03:06:57.040 --> 03:06:58.920 What I'm saying, the whole thing is casting this whole 3623 03:06:59.000 --> 03:07:02.239 every like the dialogue, the scenes, we're talking amnesia. Everyone has, 3624 03:07:08.559 --> 03:07:10.159 I mean, the whole thing has got a dream state. 3625 03:07:10.239 --> 03:07:13.680 He always mischievous spirit forces just ass the threshold of 3626 03:07:13.760 --> 03:07:14.319 human perception. 3627 03:07:14.959 --> 03:07:22.159 That's the time I watched it. I told Colne that 3628 03:07:22.399 --> 03:07:23.520 was to just keep driving. 3629 03:07:24.239 --> 03:07:25.559 Has long beach down to one? 3630 03:07:26.120 --> 03:07:28.200 Yeah, I mean it's uh again, I think you are 3631 03:07:28.280 --> 03:07:30.600 describing again what I one of the elements I love 3632 03:07:30.639 --> 03:07:33.680 about the film. Yeah, and there's a lot to be 3633 03:07:33.719 --> 03:07:35.840 said about whether or not what is really again I'm 3634 03:07:35.879 --> 03:07:37.440 not three watch too to get to look at more 3635 03:07:37.440 --> 03:07:39.680 of these elements of the same character. I'm familiar with 3636 03:07:39.719 --> 03:07:41.239 the theory, but I haven't watched it enough to really 3637 03:07:41.280 --> 03:07:43.840 put all the mash that together. But you know, we 3638 03:07:43.920 --> 03:07:46.559 see all this really after the shootout and everything and 3639 03:07:46.799 --> 03:07:49.159 the dope, he goes back to his apartment and he's 3640 03:07:49.200 --> 03:07:51.360 waiting for that phone call to come someone to come 3641 03:07:51.440 --> 03:07:54.879 collect that dope before he negotiates Owen Wilson's release from 3642 03:07:54.920 --> 03:07:57.719 this network. Because we learn everything that that like get 3643 03:07:57.799 --> 03:07:59.879 Jim Garrison was saying, all those different parts of the 3644 03:08:00.159 --> 03:08:03.000 and it's all the same creature. We find old Japonica 3645 03:08:03.079 --> 03:08:06.000 Fenway's dad, that very powerful attorney who again I think 3646 03:08:06.520 --> 03:08:09.040 I don't recall them man's name, my brain hole, but 3647 03:08:09.360 --> 03:08:12.440 there's a Pacific Palisades, very dark attorney fellow that helped 3648 03:08:12.479 --> 03:08:14.719 Charles Manson a couple of times. And that's who this 3649 03:08:14.840 --> 03:08:17.959 Parker Fenway fella reminds me of. I'm sorry, Crocker Fenway. 3650 03:08:18.520 --> 03:08:18.959 Mm hmm. 3651 03:08:20.000 --> 03:08:20.200 Yeah. 3652 03:08:20.280 --> 03:08:24.159 He said he said it's like a gang, and once 3653 03:08:24.239 --> 03:08:27.319 you're in, you're in for life, right, wasn't that the 3654 03:08:27.399 --> 03:08:28.319 way he described it? 3655 03:08:29.559 --> 03:08:29.799 Yeah? 3656 03:08:29.959 --> 03:08:34.319 Yeah, And and that was like it that's so telling 3657 03:08:35.360 --> 03:08:38.399 in terms of the network. That's why Jeffrey Epstein died, 3658 03:08:38.760 --> 03:08:40.959 at least if he died, I mean, he might be. 3659 03:08:41.040 --> 03:08:43.799 I guess it's possible, exactly. I was gonna say it 3660 03:08:43.799 --> 03:08:45.520 because I was I was gonna ask all three all 3661 03:08:45.559 --> 03:08:47.319 here to this. What I mean, how can any of 3662 03:08:47.399 --> 03:08:50.000 these things go on when anything we've described here tonight 3663 03:08:50.239 --> 03:08:53.239 and this movie is depicted without these bullshit attorneys. When 3664 03:08:53.280 --> 03:08:55.719 I say bullshit attorneys, you know these are the dark 3665 03:08:55.760 --> 03:08:58.319 forces that are really making the wheels move in these things, right, 3666 03:08:58.399 --> 03:09:00.799 I mean, if you don't have these folks getting folks 3667 03:09:00.840 --> 03:09:03.719 out of prison, keeping them out of prison, doing weird 3668 03:09:03.799 --> 03:09:06.000 legal stuff in the in the mix, and like, how 3669 03:09:06.040 --> 03:09:07.399 else do these networks survive? 3670 03:09:07.760 --> 03:09:08.280 Right without? 3671 03:09:08.520 --> 03:09:10.760 And what happens to the best attorneys? 3672 03:09:11.680 --> 03:09:12.079 Hmmm? 3673 03:09:12.639 --> 03:09:14.600 They become politicians. 3674 03:09:16.040 --> 03:09:19.399 Or they become Alan Dershowitz, and they spend their lifetime 3675 03:09:19.840 --> 03:09:20.639 defending stuff. 3676 03:09:21.959 --> 03:09:24.879 I'm there's a lot to be said about that man. 3677 03:09:24.879 --> 03:09:25.440 I'm like a lot of you. 3678 03:09:25.479 --> 03:09:27.000 I've read some of his stuff. He was the ten 3679 03:09:27.079 --> 03:09:30.959 youngest tender professor of constitutional law there specifically of law, 3680 03:09:31.040 --> 03:09:34.120 but in focus on constitutional on Harvard. He his legal 3681 03:09:34.200 --> 03:09:36.719 arguments are bullshit. Like I'm I'm not an attorney. I'm 3682 03:09:36.719 --> 03:09:38.760 also not the vice President. But I could write a 3683 03:09:38.799 --> 03:09:40.360 better League argument than Alwiz. 3684 03:09:41.079 --> 03:09:45.000 I'm telling you, man, that guy is is one compromise 3685 03:09:45.079 --> 03:09:46.920 and it's so obvious. I mean, he's out of here 3686 03:09:47.000 --> 03:09:50.559 claiming galaans a victim of Epstein and she deserves a pardon. 3687 03:09:50.639 --> 03:09:52.920 And that was long before it was like in vogue 3688 03:09:52.959 --> 03:09:54.120 to have that conversation. 3689 03:09:55.000 --> 03:09:57.200 Just how about this one? I know you're a spot 3690 03:09:57.239 --> 03:09:59.280 honestor how about this one in the same regard. I 3691 03:09:59.520 --> 03:10:01.479 just did a shit the other night on how I 3692 03:10:01.680 --> 03:10:04.920 met the unibomber Soda, which is my tales of my interactions. 3693 03:10:04.959 --> 03:10:06.120 You worry about the unibomber. 3694 03:10:06.440 --> 03:10:09.280 Well, I mean, say, one of my dudes is from Lincoln, Montana, 3695 03:10:09.440 --> 03:10:11.239 and when I met him into the Air Force basic 3696 03:10:11.319 --> 03:10:12.879 training and we were in police academy. We both got 3697 03:10:12.959 --> 03:10:16.000 stationed in Montana together, and then he got married sort 3698 03:10:16.000 --> 03:10:18.239 of thereafter. I was a groomsman in his wedding. So, 3699 03:10:18.479 --> 03:10:21.399 and that was about a year year after the trial 3700 03:10:21.520 --> 03:10:23.399 and three years after the arrest. 3701 03:10:23.440 --> 03:10:24.520 Are so right? 3702 03:10:24.680 --> 03:10:26.959 So in ninety six to ninety nine, uh, and so 3703 03:10:27.000 --> 03:10:28.639 I had a lot of questions about the times in 3704 03:10:28.719 --> 03:10:30.959 the small, very small town in the mountains of Montana, 3705 03:10:31.000 --> 03:10:33.840 about old Ted there, So it started opening my eyes. 3706 03:10:33.680 --> 03:10:35.399 As the subject. There's a lot of that was bullshit. 3707 03:10:35.559 --> 03:10:39.440 But would you believe the same Defense Council, Federal Defense Council, 3708 03:10:39.559 --> 03:10:43.040 she keeps getting shipped all around these cases from you 3709 03:10:43.239 --> 03:10:45.639 name it? I mean she you know the Jeredley Loffner, 3710 03:10:46.239 --> 03:10:50.680 Ted Kazinski. Uh, you named Zacharies Mussawi. They just moved 3711 03:10:50.719 --> 03:10:52.319 this federal defender, lady. 3712 03:10:53.600 --> 03:10:53.920 Clark. 3713 03:10:54.680 --> 03:10:54.760 Uh. 3714 03:10:54.879 --> 03:10:57.280 They just keep moving Judy, Judy Clark. I think they 3715 03:10:57.319 --> 03:10:59.239 just move her around all these different cases. I'm like, well, 3716 03:10:59.280 --> 03:11:01.239 how is this not more obvious to folks? It wasn't 3717 03:11:01.280 --> 03:11:03.120 more obvious to me until I looked at him. I'm 3718 03:11:03.159 --> 03:11:06.479 just saying, like, she, how is this one attorney, She's 3719 03:11:06.520 --> 03:11:09.360 a federal public defender. She keeps getting shifted to all 3720 03:11:09.440 --> 03:11:15.079 these different cases. It makes no sense. No, that is 3721 03:11:15.159 --> 03:11:18.559 a bombing guy. Zoe Carr's sarn't off she was his attorney. 3722 03:11:21.040 --> 03:11:23.639 I think she did a homeboy in Colorado. 3723 03:11:23.760 --> 03:11:27.239 Shoot. They just keep moving this lady around. Dude. 3724 03:11:27.319 --> 03:11:31.639 That's that's interesting to me because I mean, now, honestly, 3725 03:11:31.680 --> 03:11:33.239 I would have loved to have been a pen pala 3726 03:11:33.239 --> 03:11:37.879 of Kazensky's. Apparently he was very responsive, which is hilarious, 3727 03:11:38.000 --> 03:11:41.239 but uh, yeah, I mean it was clear that he 3728 03:11:41.399 --> 03:11:44.000 was like separated as an infant from his his family, 3729 03:11:44.120 --> 03:11:45.760 and like, I think that was a part of the 3730 03:11:45.879 --> 03:11:46.840 of of what you would do. 3731 03:11:46.920 --> 03:11:47.799 And again, by the. 3732 03:11:47.799 --> 03:11:50.399 Way, like I know that, I know that is the 3733 03:11:50.639 --> 03:11:51.959 prevailing narrative, and that was one of the things I 3734 03:11:52.040 --> 03:11:54.360 was questioning, is what do we know? So we were 3735 03:11:54.399 --> 03:11:56.639 given this archive of documents saying that he read all 3736 03:11:56.680 --> 03:11:59.360 these letters. We're given a manifesto that they declared he 3737 03:11:59.520 --> 03:12:01.719 wrote the butcher of Waco was the one forcing the 3738 03:12:01.840 --> 03:12:02.920 Washington Post to print that. 3739 03:12:04.799 --> 03:12:08.000 Good old Janet. Huh, that's the when you're talking about. 3740 03:12:08.520 --> 03:12:10.680 Yeah, a lot of questions there, but you know, and 3741 03:12:10.760 --> 03:12:14.639 again like the evidence against him not it really wasn't 3742 03:12:14.639 --> 03:12:16.639 any They're like, oh, look we found this gray hoodie 3743 03:12:16.639 --> 03:12:19.280 in his cabin along with some chemicals and the man 3744 03:12:19.360 --> 03:12:21.440 and a cop and early draft of the manifesto. I'm like, oh, 3745 03:12:21.520 --> 03:12:23.520 this is ridiculous because then you look at the search 3746 03:12:23.600 --> 03:12:25.920 warrants and how that worked out, and then they they 3747 03:12:26.239 --> 03:12:27.760 wall fared him and stuff like that. I think the 3748 03:12:27.879 --> 03:12:30.360 letters trying to fire them attorneys and they wouldn't let 3749 03:12:30.360 --> 03:12:30.799 them fire them. 3750 03:12:31.399 --> 03:12:34.360 Do not let me fire your own attorney. Like the 3751 03:12:34.440 --> 03:12:35.239 whole the whole. 3752 03:12:35.159 --> 03:12:38.280 Case is is just ridiculous, honestly. I mean even the 3753 03:12:38.399 --> 03:12:41.000 letters themselves I think were written by multiple people. 3754 03:12:41.200 --> 03:12:44.040 Right, that was like I think so, dude, I think so, And. 3755 03:12:44.120 --> 03:12:46.399 I think it was It was like it was the 3756 03:12:46.479 --> 03:12:50.079 perfect example of of how multiple spooks would come together 3757 03:12:50.159 --> 03:12:53.120 and try and fashion a letters in order for a 3758 03:12:53.239 --> 03:12:55.959 certain agenda to be achieved. You know. But but again 3759 03:12:56.040 --> 03:12:59.920 it's like the idea of what you could accomplish, and again, 3760 03:13:00.000 --> 03:13:02.840 and it lends back to this sort of point of 3761 03:13:02.920 --> 03:13:05.399 the Nazi breeding experiments, as far as if you're going 3762 03:13:05.440 --> 03:13:08.399 to separate an infant child from their mother and at 3763 03:13:08.479 --> 03:13:10.920 least for like extended periods of time and some sort 3764 03:13:10.959 --> 03:13:16.159 of abuse. You know, at the very least, it seemed 3765 03:13:16.200 --> 03:13:19.760 as if as an infant he was already being like 3766 03:13:20.000 --> 03:13:24.079 experiencing forms of abuse, right, And that alone is interesting. 3767 03:13:24.200 --> 03:13:27.760 But then you consider the idea of if you wanted 3768 03:13:27.840 --> 03:13:31.159 to actually have some sort of constant supply of undocumented 3769 03:13:31.239 --> 03:13:34.959 children in order to conduct experiments on that, this would 3770 03:13:35.040 --> 03:13:40.159 clearly be a plausible avenue to pursue as far as 3771 03:13:40.200 --> 03:13:43.799 that would be concerned, and and I believe that something 3772 03:13:44.000 --> 03:13:47.000 for certain happens in terms of we had mentioned before, 3773 03:13:47.159 --> 03:13:51.200 this sort of pedophile, you know, dynastic familial factor that 3774 03:13:51.319 --> 03:13:53.159 plays plays into so many of these. 3775 03:13:53.360 --> 03:13:55.559 I think that's huge in it, right, And yeah, I 3776 03:13:55.600 --> 03:13:58.239 think that's no the generational aspect, right. I mean, I 3777 03:13:58.280 --> 03:14:01.000 think Julia and Cole we will agree that this seems 3778 03:14:01.000 --> 03:14:02.920 to be an ongoing pattern of behavior as far as 3779 03:14:03.040 --> 03:14:04.879 folks are born into it. Again, it's like to play 3780 03:14:05.159 --> 03:14:07.239 who is your daddy and what does he do? At 3781 03:14:07.319 --> 03:14:10.079 least of which the paternal nature of the society of Cincinnati. 3782 03:14:10.159 --> 03:14:13.040 But we see Japonica Fenway, she was born into it. 3783 03:14:14.879 --> 03:14:18.120 Real quickly. You play that game. Have you ever looked 3784 03:14:18.159 --> 03:14:19.559 at Hugh Hefner and Bill Maher. 3785 03:14:20.280 --> 03:14:22.440 I am now I have actually, and I've thought of it, sir, 3786 03:14:22.520 --> 03:14:24.079 And now I'm gonna highlight that as one of my 3787 03:14:24.159 --> 03:14:24.680 future ones. 3788 03:14:24.719 --> 03:14:26.239 I think you're onto something with that. 3789 03:14:26.319 --> 03:14:29.520 They look a lot of it's got legs. Yeah, oh 3790 03:14:29.639 --> 03:14:31.040 my god, look. 3791 03:14:31.000 --> 03:14:33.120 Boring to it because I don't know who who they 3792 03:14:33.200 --> 03:14:35.239 claim his father is, but I'm sure I can find 3793 03:14:35.280 --> 03:14:35.959 some sort of question. 3794 03:14:36.040 --> 03:14:38.079 Yeah, it was like a TikTok thing I saw. 3795 03:14:38.079 --> 03:14:39.799 You know, They look a lot alike, don't they. 3796 03:14:40.000 --> 03:14:43.079 They look a lot like And he's he frequented. I 3797 03:14:43.159 --> 03:14:44.600 mean he's still might. I don't even know what the 3798 03:14:44.799 --> 03:14:47.280 status of the mansion is. But he was one of 3799 03:14:47.360 --> 03:14:50.440 the you know, every weekend her kind of guy. 3800 03:14:50.639 --> 03:14:54.239 Uh wow, absolutely, dude. And he also has it. His 3801 03:14:54.360 --> 03:14:56.680 production company was kid Love Productions. 3802 03:14:57.040 --> 03:15:02.159 God, no way, it's like for every young production from Pizzagate. Man, 3803 03:15:02.319 --> 03:15:04.719 it's like what it is, dude. 3804 03:15:04.879 --> 03:15:08.680 And speaking of Pizzagate, Bill Maher those first right before 3805 03:15:08.719 --> 03:15:10.840 he like a month where he started his production company, 3806 03:15:11.200 --> 03:15:14.319 he made a movie called Pizza Man where he attacked 3807 03:15:14.360 --> 03:15:18.959 Donald Trump as this under underground organized crime enterprise focused 3808 03:15:19.000 --> 03:15:20.079 around pizza delivery. 3809 03:15:20.399 --> 03:15:22.680 What the f How have I not heard of that one? 3810 03:15:23.079 --> 03:15:24.680 Well, I don't know, sir. 3811 03:15:24.840 --> 03:15:27.239 I did a nicolet n esoteric review on it about 3812 03:15:27.479 --> 03:15:29.639 eight or nine months ago because someone someone had sent 3813 03:15:29.799 --> 03:15:31.520 some folks to the interweb sent it to me because 3814 03:15:31.959 --> 03:15:33.719 they thought one of the characters in there was named 3815 03:15:33.840 --> 03:15:36.680 Vance because the Wikipedia, the source of all information on 3816 03:15:36.680 --> 03:15:40.520 the interwebs, said so, and fair enough it did say that. However, 3817 03:15:40.600 --> 03:15:42.520 once I watched film. The guy's name is Vince, but 3818 03:15:42.600 --> 03:15:44.200 I watched it anyway and did a review on it. 3819 03:15:44.959 --> 03:15:49.719 What the hell that's crazy, dude. Michael Milliken's one of 3820 03:15:49.760 --> 03:15:52.559 the villains in it. It's a very fascinating movie from 3821 03:15:52.639 --> 03:15:55.040 nineteen ninety one. It's a cinematic masterpiece. 3822 03:15:55.959 --> 03:15:58.079 Sounds like a straight to Cinemax kind of movie. 3823 03:15:58.520 --> 03:15:59.959 Yeah, it's it's fucking terrible. 3824 03:16:00.319 --> 03:16:03.000 But he starts Kid Love Productions immediately following that movie, 3825 03:16:03.000 --> 03:16:07.120 and it's got a it's got a lot of heavy connotations. 3826 03:16:09.280 --> 03:16:13.959 If you consider if you consider that with you said 3827 03:16:14.120 --> 03:16:19.760 kid Love Productions, Kid Love Productions, you you put that 3828 03:16:20.079 --> 03:16:26.319 directly and just as far as consider the idea of 3829 03:16:26.639 --> 03:16:29.760 of forevery young productions as I mentioned, right, and and uh, 3830 03:16:30.280 --> 03:16:35.000 what was it Harry Welch Junior, who was the owner 3831 03:16:35.159 --> 03:16:39.479 and father of Edgar Madison Welch right, who who. 3832 03:16:41.479 --> 03:16:42.239 Right exactly? 3833 03:16:42.319 --> 03:16:45.079 Who went into comment ping pong pizza shot up the 3834 03:16:45.159 --> 03:16:48.680 one hard drive. They claimed that wasn't exactly his intention. 3835 03:16:49.200 --> 03:16:51.159 And then he he just goes out there and like 3836 03:16:51.280 --> 03:16:53.959 hangs out casually, has a conversation with the authorities before 3837 03:16:53.959 --> 03:16:57.000 they apprehend him. And and he had just struck someone 3838 03:16:57.079 --> 03:16:59.399 with his car after returning from Haiti during the. 3839 03:16:59.399 --> 03:17:05.520 Fucking you know, his father ran out Clinton connected Haiti nonprofits. 3840 03:17:05.319 --> 03:17:07.479 Exactly, and it's it's crazier than that. 3841 03:17:07.680 --> 03:17:10.600 Yeah, he's what was it called? 3842 03:17:10.639 --> 03:17:13.879 It was, Uh, it was Harry Welch Junior. The father 3843 03:17:14.120 --> 03:17:14.600 was running. 3844 03:17:14.719 --> 03:17:14.840 Uh. 3845 03:17:15.200 --> 03:17:18.920 He was executive director of Protect a Child. That was 3846 03:17:19.040 --> 03:17:20.120 literally what it was called. 3847 03:17:20.479 --> 03:17:24.799 And this was the nonprofit that was allegedly meant to 3848 03:17:24.959 --> 03:17:29.399 prevent abuse and abduction of children specifically in Haiti. And 3849 03:17:29.559 --> 03:17:34.159 Laura Silsby sitting there getting caught obviously uh, procuring children 3850 03:17:34.239 --> 03:17:37.840 and and and uh and trafficking them across the Haitian border. 3851 03:17:37.920 --> 03:17:41.600 And then she gets incarcerated and caught and and Bill 3852 03:17:41.680 --> 03:17:44.319 Clinton himself as a fly to Haiti and and and 3853 03:17:45.680 --> 03:17:49.639 essentially get her released, and then she's brought back to 3854 03:17:49.760 --> 03:17:52.120 the US and placed on the Amber alert system. 3855 03:17:52.360 --> 03:17:52.559 Yeah. 3856 03:17:52.600 --> 03:17:55.399 That that's the that's the twist, right there, Isn't that 3857 03:17:55.559 --> 03:17:56.920 the that gets so crazy? 3858 03:17:56.959 --> 03:17:57.079 Oh? 3859 03:17:57.200 --> 03:18:00.360 Yeah, Well the attorney she hired her there was already 3860 03:18:00.360 --> 03:18:04.440 a convicted deddler. Yeah, I know, I forgot about that. 3861 03:18:04.799 --> 03:18:09.000 Uh uh sort of layer to this story. Wikipedia entry 3862 03:18:09.120 --> 03:18:11.920 is the most egregiously long. It's like a CVS receipt 3863 03:18:11.920 --> 03:18:13.479 of Wikipedia entries. It's ridiculous. 3864 03:18:13.559 --> 03:18:13.840 Dude, but. 3865 03:18:18.959 --> 03:18:22.959 I said, he's very important, obviously very important. 3866 03:18:23.079 --> 03:18:25.920 Well you know, he is available for free on YouTube 3867 03:18:26.079 --> 03:18:29.120 and folks checking out there. But if we may close 3868 03:18:29.159 --> 03:18:31.600 this out on Bill Meyer and his Kid Love Productions, 3869 03:18:31.639 --> 03:18:34.000 who I'm sure he hired attorney to incorporate these matters. 3870 03:18:34.319 --> 03:18:37.920 Could not successfully do that without these creepy ass fucking attorneys. 3871 03:18:37.920 --> 03:18:39.920 And then we see that as one of the main 3872 03:18:40.000 --> 03:18:42.760 figures behind his dark enterprise here in the film right 3873 03:18:42.879 --> 03:18:45.040 with the Japonic Fenway's. 3874 03:18:44.639 --> 03:19:00.719 Dad definitely mister yeah. 3875 03:19:02.600 --> 03:19:11.159 Mhm, real stiff meeting, right m two, peaceful resolution. 3876 03:19:13.680 --> 03:19:16.079 He does seem like an eyes wide shut type right. 3877 03:19:16.520 --> 03:19:18.680 Right, And he's got his daughter involved in all. 3878 03:19:18.879 --> 03:19:22.520 You know, I'm glad you said that because we can 3879 03:19:22.559 --> 03:19:25.719 see right here he's not upset that his daughter's. 3880 03:19:25.360 --> 03:19:27.040 Being tricked out in this environment. 3881 03:19:27.479 --> 03:19:30.040 He's upset he's she's it's happening to her in a 3882 03:19:30.159 --> 03:19:34.079 very tacky manner in some hotels that you know, in 3883 03:19:34.200 --> 03:19:36.120 the Odonti's conventions, right, that's. 3884 03:19:35.959 --> 03:19:41.840 What he's buttered about about the music guy. Listen, yeah, dude, 3885 03:19:41.879 --> 03:19:44.040 he's and he wants a fancy or rape environment for. 3886 03:19:44.079 --> 03:19:47.399 His could reflect upon the family. 3887 03:19:47.799 --> 03:19:47.959 Right. 3888 03:19:48.319 --> 03:19:51.159 Look, they're they're Fenways, and the Fenways are gonna get 3889 03:19:51.200 --> 03:19:53.120 raped in a proper environment, is what he had. 3890 03:19:53.159 --> 03:19:54.440 They at least better get raped. 3891 03:19:54.959 --> 03:19:56.559 He's not he's not against the I mean, he's the 3892 03:19:56.600 --> 03:20:00.399 one senator the looney band she keeps escaping. He's not 3893 03:20:00.479 --> 03:20:02.600 offended by the He's offended by the nature of what 3894 03:20:02.719 --> 03:20:05.319 she's being raped, environment, what's being done. 3895 03:20:05.360 --> 03:20:08.559 It's just natural for them to sacrifice their children at 3896 03:20:08.559 --> 03:20:11.399 a certain level. I mean, in terms of like the 3897 03:20:11.559 --> 03:20:14.520 path to power and prominence, it has to be. 3898 03:20:14.719 --> 03:20:17.280 They find it honorable what they do. 3899 03:20:17.879 --> 03:20:20.239 And I mean I was gonna mention this way earlier, 3900 03:20:20.360 --> 03:20:25.639 but when we brought up Henry Lee Lucas fucked his mom, Yeah, 3901 03:20:25.719 --> 03:20:28.840 and she dressed him as a girl and told everybody 3902 03:20:28.920 --> 03:20:30.639 he was a girl until he was like twelve. 3903 03:20:30.719 --> 03:20:33.879 My god, it's generational. 3904 03:20:33.920 --> 03:20:35.920 These It gets the hoose again. 3905 03:20:38.159 --> 03:20:41.799 You just that was very much henryly Lucas's childhood a 3906 03:20:41.840 --> 03:20:43.000 buffalo bill situation. 3907 03:20:43.520 --> 03:20:46.159 You just you just you just reminded me of the 3908 03:20:46.239 --> 03:20:49.879 Presidio scandal when Michael Lokino and Lilith Right his his 3909 03:20:50.079 --> 03:20:55.799 wife were uh were named by a child victim who 3910 03:20:55.959 --> 03:20:59.799 took them took the authorities to the actual residence right 3911 03:21:00.079 --> 03:21:04.040 and claimed that they had been sexually assaulted, but that 3912 03:21:05.159 --> 03:21:08.360 Michael Lokino and his wife Lilith had actually reversed gender 3913 03:21:08.479 --> 03:21:13.319 roles during the sadistic sexual abuse on the children. Imagine that, 3914 03:21:14.200 --> 03:21:17.920 I mean, you're we're talking with persidio three to five 3915 03:21:18.040 --> 03:21:18.920 year olds, man. 3916 03:21:19.120 --> 03:21:19.559 You know, and. 3917 03:21:21.120 --> 03:21:24.159 Imagine that specifically a three and a half year old 3918 03:21:24.200 --> 03:21:25.840 the stepdaughter of the bass chaplain. 3919 03:21:26.920 --> 03:21:29.000 Yeah, they made him watch snuff films. 3920 03:21:29.120 --> 03:21:32.680 They made him watch as they disembowled cats and stuff 3921 03:21:32.799 --> 03:21:35.600 and put them jars and did all kinds of stuff. 3922 03:21:35.879 --> 03:21:38.520 But the thing is is like, that's why I don't 3923 03:21:38.680 --> 03:21:42.239 care what people do as adults in their own bedroom whatever, 3924 03:21:42.760 --> 03:21:45.520 But when it comes to kids, I'm so like, they 3925 03:21:45.719 --> 03:21:48.959 tried to do this reverse gender thing and they push 3926 03:21:49.040 --> 03:21:51.799 it out there and they make it weird, and that's 3927 03:21:51.840 --> 03:21:56.120 what I don't like. And it's always like generational. Like 3928 03:21:56.239 --> 03:21:59.239 I said, they their mom fucked them, their mom dressed 3929 03:21:59.280 --> 03:21:59.920 them like a girl. 3930 03:22:00.959 --> 03:22:04.079 You know, you don't think old Crocker Fenway here's dipped 3931 03:22:04.079 --> 03:22:06.159 into that Chaponica jam before you know what I mean? 3932 03:22:07.319 --> 03:22:08.319 Interest going on here? 3933 03:22:08.959 --> 03:22:13.719 Yeah, definitely, Yeah, if he's gonna horror out his daughter. 3934 03:22:13.840 --> 03:22:14.440 That's what I'm saying. 3935 03:22:14.479 --> 03:22:16.799 You look at look at John Phillips and Mackenzie Phillips, right, 3936 03:22:16.840 --> 03:22:19.360 look at George Hodell and his daughter, which the Hodels 3937 03:22:19.399 --> 03:22:22.079 and the Phillips daughters both got raped by their fathers 3938 03:22:22.120 --> 03:22:24.280 and then they would team up. So we see all 3939 03:22:24.319 --> 03:22:26.440 of this weird sex cult stuff from the old air 3940 03:22:26.479 --> 03:22:29.879 of Hollywood with George Hodell, who's friends with like John Houston, 3941 03:22:29.959 --> 03:22:31.440 Jack Nicholson's mentor. 3942 03:22:31.440 --> 03:22:33.559 Probably killed the Black Dahlia. 3943 03:22:33.479 --> 03:22:36.200 Probably probably did that. And it's involved at all the 3944 03:22:36.360 --> 03:22:40.000 weird ship. You remember the element of what's that sort 3945 03:22:40.319 --> 03:22:43.639 in the Uh I'm sorry, what what is uh? 3946 03:22:44.440 --> 03:22:47.159 What's the director that did Scarface? 3947 03:22:47.200 --> 03:22:47.600 Why is it? 3948 03:22:47.719 --> 03:22:50.959 Why am I forgetting Yeah? Yeah, Brian de Palma, Yeah, 3949 03:22:51.280 --> 03:22:53.719 he's the director that did the Black Dahlia, right, And 3950 03:22:53.920 --> 03:22:57.000 and uh, I thought it was very I honestly did 3951 03:22:57.079 --> 03:22:59.600 appreciate it as much as I think it There are 3952 03:22:59.719 --> 03:23:03.040 very aspects of it that obviously could have potentially been 3953 03:23:04.280 --> 03:23:09.120 I don't know, just just more accurately depicted, I guess 3954 03:23:09.159 --> 03:23:11.280 in a way. But but still I think that the 3955 03:23:11.399 --> 03:23:12.440 nature of don't. 3956 03:23:12.239 --> 03:23:16.200 Want you to know that Laurel Canyon George Hodell incestuous 3957 03:23:16.360 --> 03:23:21.200 ass raping his daughter ass, John Phillips fan ass fucking 3958 03:23:21.600 --> 03:23:23.600 man Ray ass fucking. 3959 03:23:26.440 --> 03:23:26.959 We see all. 3960 03:23:27.120 --> 03:23:29.559 We see all the John Houston stuff playing out with 3961 03:23:29.799 --> 03:23:32.920 John Houston in the film Chinatown, written by Robert town 3962 03:23:33.360 --> 03:23:37.760 Bomb Cocaine, Evan's sidekick and he's Rumin Polanski and Jack Nicholson. 3963 03:23:37.799 --> 03:23:41.040 Again we see John Houston playing that incestuous relationship out 3964 03:23:41.159 --> 03:23:44.159 right there. We see this powerful network of the the 3965 03:23:44.639 --> 03:23:47.440 Alba core club in there. This this would be the 3966 03:23:47.479 --> 03:23:50.319 same kind of element. And again a powerful attorney is 3967 03:23:50.360 --> 03:23:52.239 the one behind it in that element, like he's the 3968 03:23:52.319 --> 03:23:53.760 man to go to to fix everything. 3969 03:23:53.840 --> 03:23:57.520 Man, old money scions. That's what Hollywood Land was. 3970 03:23:57.840 --> 03:24:00.520 They all bang their kids, dude, you know that's again 3971 03:24:00.680 --> 03:24:03.680 that's we see that in China Town. That's the daughter 3972 03:24:03.840 --> 03:24:07.959 the del Ray's daughter there is isn't more or moro. 3973 03:24:08.280 --> 03:24:13.879 Uh what's the name Molroy? Yeah, his daughter there is 3974 03:24:13.920 --> 03:24:16.920 actually the ancestrious relationship there. So his wife is the 3975 03:24:17.000 --> 03:24:20.639 inncessul relationship of his business partner and friend, you know 3976 03:24:20.680 --> 03:24:21.000 what I mean. 3977 03:24:21.040 --> 03:24:23.200 And then they had a kid. We see the same 3978 03:24:23.319 --> 03:24:23.799 thing here. 3979 03:24:25.200 --> 03:24:28.479 And what were I mean they were they were obviously 3980 03:24:28.719 --> 03:24:33.200 manipulating and the water supply to all of Los Angeles's wealth, 3981 03:24:34.399 --> 03:24:39.040 which is like the state impact of the influence being conducted, 3982 03:24:39.079 --> 03:24:42.920 as far as the operation and the precedent setting notions 3983 03:24:43.000 --> 03:24:47.479 being placed within there, They're obviously being positioned I would say, 3984 03:24:47.600 --> 03:24:52.760 within the just the local establishment infrastructure. It's how you 3985 03:24:52.920 --> 03:24:55.680 kind of paved the way for these dystopian agendas, right. 3986 03:24:55.760 --> 03:24:59.920 But I do think that totalitarianism takes a diabolical effort 3987 03:25:00.399 --> 03:25:05.200 with many different sociopaths involved in pursuing this uh you know, uh, 3988 03:25:06.319 --> 03:25:09.840 And and it seems like there's also this this clear 3989 03:25:09.879 --> 03:25:14.440 and obvious uh, just willingness to pursue you know, these 3990 03:25:14.520 --> 03:25:19.879 kind of like they're they're not necessarily in in the 3991 03:25:20.280 --> 03:25:23.879 the I would say, like pursuing the same exact potential 3992 03:25:23.959 --> 03:25:27.120 dystopian outcome, but it falls within the framework enough for 3993 03:25:27.200 --> 03:25:31.000 them to coexist and facilitate the agenda. And and I 3994 03:25:31.200 --> 03:25:36.079 just see Chinatown as another one of the the films 3995 03:25:36.120 --> 03:25:39.239 that perfectly represents that that sort of strategy. 3996 03:25:39.360 --> 03:25:41.520 But yeah, sir, I think you're spot on. 3997 03:25:41.639 --> 03:25:43.319 And I'll tell you one thing I don't appreciate about 3998 03:25:43.360 --> 03:25:46.399 Chinatown is that motherfucker's trying to out JJ, me JJ 3999 03:25:46.559 --> 03:25:51.399 getting yeah, yeah, you. 4000 03:25:51.399 --> 03:25:54.280 Know I I I sold you the other day at 4001 03:25:54.319 --> 03:25:58.360 my doctor's office. You ever run across a dentist named 4002 03:25:58.399 --> 03:26:00.159 Rudy Blatinoid, the. 4003 03:26:00.200 --> 03:26:02.360 Son of a bitch who until recently was correct my daughter. 4004 03:26:03.440 --> 03:26:05.959 Yes, he's so offended by the weirdest thing. 4005 03:26:06.120 --> 03:26:11.600 Today, trampoline accent laped. I'm so sure it was an accident, And. 4006 03:26:11.639 --> 03:26:16.159 You'd like to know if I did it, what possible 4007 03:26:16.239 --> 03:26:19.440 motive would I have? Just because a man prayed on 4008 03:26:19.520 --> 03:26:23.879 a an emotionally vulnerable child forced her to engage in 4009 03:26:24.040 --> 03:26:27.600 sexual practices that might appalled even a sophisticate like yourself, 4010 03:26:28.159 --> 03:26:29.559 does that mean I'd have any reason to see his 4011 03:26:29.639 --> 03:26:33.840 miserable pedophile career If I'm doing that, What a vindictive person? 4012 03:26:33.920 --> 03:26:37.719 You must imagine She's an adult and he's calling him 4013 03:26:37.760 --> 03:26:38.360 a pedophile? 4014 03:26:38.479 --> 03:26:39.360 Right right? 4015 03:26:40.600 --> 03:26:42.719 I did suspect he was fucking as a receptionist, But 4016 03:26:43.239 --> 03:26:46.559 Dennis doesn't some mopey all take him down school anyhow. 4017 03:26:46.600 --> 03:26:50.280 It's a long way from strange and weird sex, isn't it? 4018 03:26:50.639 --> 03:26:52.959 What about any for little girls who listened to original 4019 03:26:53.000 --> 03:26:55.399 cast albums of Broadway musicals while he had his way. 4020 03:26:55.319 --> 03:26:57.239 With her, or the. 4021 03:26:58.840 --> 03:27:07.280 Tastelessness with short hotel rooms he took her to during conventions. 4022 03:27:09.440 --> 03:27:12.959 He nailed again, we're seeing the psychopathy of the individuals 4023 03:27:13.040 --> 03:27:15.000 that run this network and the attorneys that make sure 4024 03:27:15.040 --> 03:27:17.319 it gets hidden in that character. Right, there is no 4025 03:27:17.479 --> 03:27:20.719 problem with his daughter being put tricked out. His problems 4026 03:27:20.719 --> 03:27:23.920 are the core of the rooms and the musicals and 4027 03:27:23.959 --> 03:27:27.120 ship dude like weird beef my daughter. 4028 03:27:27.280 --> 03:27:30.920 You better yeah, you better be wearing a tie, and 4029 03:27:31.040 --> 03:27:36.040 you better fucking smell like dri or no war like right. 4030 03:27:37.600 --> 03:27:40.520 Well, as like as we look at this, I'll go ahead, sir, 4031 03:27:40.600 --> 03:27:40.959 go ahead. 4032 03:27:41.280 --> 03:27:41.399 Oh. 4033 03:27:41.600 --> 03:27:46.600 It just reminded me of of the attorney during the 4034 03:27:46.760 --> 03:27:50.959 Atlanta child murders that that essentially was very much affiliated 4035 03:27:51.000 --> 03:27:53.360 with Andrew Young, who is the mayor who was obviously 4036 03:27:53.559 --> 03:27:57.079 he was brought back and turned and honestly put it 4037 03:27:57.200 --> 03:28:01.159 in charge of being the authoritative figure during the Atlanta 4038 03:28:01.239 --> 03:28:04.520 child murders trial. And and it just goes to show 4039 03:28:04.600 --> 03:28:08.319 that obviously, the the legal council for Wayne Williams was 4040 03:28:08.360 --> 03:28:11.719 fully compromised from the beginning, and so essentially it was 4041 03:28:11.840 --> 03:28:15.559 like he had to It took years after the original 4042 03:28:15.680 --> 03:28:19.000 trial for him to actually get a decent legal representation. 4043 03:28:19.159 --> 03:28:22.000 And even then, you know, it was kind of. 4044 03:28:23.680 --> 03:28:27.159 Very strategically undermined and certain in terms of the credibility 4045 03:28:27.200 --> 03:28:30.840 of his legal counsel and and uh, but but still 4046 03:28:31.120 --> 03:28:34.159 you just go to see that that there is one 4047 03:28:34.600 --> 03:28:37.440 this this attorney who was was was placed on his 4048 03:28:37.600 --> 03:28:42.719 legal council by Andrew Young and these various individual politicians 4049 03:28:42.760 --> 03:28:47.239 who were prominent within the the the network being conducted 4050 03:28:47.319 --> 03:28:50.840 and facilitated in in Atlanta, but had connections to the 4051 03:28:50.920 --> 03:28:54.600 George Bush Senior administration, which is why Bush Senior himself 4052 03:28:54.719 --> 03:28:57.079 came down, had a meeting at the Governor's mansion and 4053 03:28:57.280 --> 03:29:00.239 and intervened prior to uh, Wayne. 4054 03:29:02.600 --> 03:29:05.920 Right snuff the snuff films they were producing, right exactly. 4055 03:29:06.040 --> 03:29:08.680 And that is why I think that that the attorney 4056 03:29:09.120 --> 03:29:12.959 who was strategically placed uh in order to facilitate the 4057 03:29:13.079 --> 03:29:15.680 proper legal counsel for him. In terms of the cover 4058 03:29:15.840 --> 03:29:20.680 up itself, she had already been the attorney for Michael Thievis, 4059 03:29:20.760 --> 03:29:26.520 who was the essentially child pornography kingpin in the area 4060 03:29:26.639 --> 03:29:30.239 that Wayne Williams was well, he was abducting children, but 4061 03:29:30.319 --> 03:29:33.559 he was recruiting them through the Gemini Project or the 4062 03:29:33.639 --> 03:29:36.559 Geminia I forget what he called it. It was basically 4063 03:29:36.680 --> 03:29:39.760 his talent recruiting agency, and he would he would bring 4064 03:29:39.840 --> 03:29:43.000 those children to I forget the name of the production 4065 03:29:43.479 --> 03:29:46.719 studio at the time that Michael Thievis owned in Atlanta, 4066 03:29:47.120 --> 03:29:49.639 but that's where he would take those children who would 4067 03:29:49.639 --> 03:29:52.200 then be filmed in child pornography and various things of 4068 03:29:52.239 --> 03:29:55.120 that nature. I'm assuming it would go to the extent 4069 03:29:55.200 --> 03:29:58.239 of legitimate snuff films as well. And and uh and 4070 03:29:58.520 --> 03:30:02.000 just the idea, d yeah, just the idea that that 4071 03:30:02.239 --> 03:30:05.559 woman who was on the that was represented as far 4072 03:30:05.600 --> 03:30:09.239 as the legal legal representative of Michael theevis, the child 4073 03:30:09.319 --> 03:30:12.280 pornography kingpin that Wayne Williams was taking the children to 4074 03:30:12.399 --> 03:30:16.680 from the Gemini project, was also on the legal council 4075 03:30:16.760 --> 03:30:20.959 strategically placed there for uh, for Wayne Williams. And again 4076 03:30:21.040 --> 03:30:24.680 it was like they tried to actually bribe he and 4077 03:30:24.840 --> 03:30:30.360 his father, Homer Williams, because they were both completely compromised 4078 03:30:30.440 --> 03:30:33.680 by this network and had burned all of these photographic 4079 03:30:33.799 --> 03:30:37.600 negatives right after the original arrest and essentially kind of 4080 03:30:37.719 --> 03:30:41.840 like lending to the credibility of of them deliberately destroying 4081 03:30:42.000 --> 03:30:45.159 the the evidence of the child pornography or the pictures 4082 03:30:45.319 --> 03:30:46.319 or the films or whatever. 4083 03:30:48.120 --> 03:30:52.680 Let's say, you know, the operation with these damn attorneys, right, 4084 03:30:52.760 --> 03:30:55.440 I mean, that's that's just helping on this ship. Yeah, 4085 03:30:55.479 --> 03:30:57.239 well you bring you bring us some excellent points there 4086 03:30:57.639 --> 03:30:59.639 and back to Manhattan Beach as we see in the 4087 03:30:59.680 --> 03:31:02.000 score Eat a beach here in the film, as you said, 4088 03:31:02.079 --> 03:31:06.000 was the Manhattan Beach setting and the McMartin preschool that 4089 03:31:06.040 --> 03:31:08.360 used to sit there, would you believe the first not 4090 03:31:08.520 --> 03:31:10.920 that not Charles Mannon's friend Ira Ryner, who would be 4091 03:31:10.959 --> 03:31:13.840 the district attorney elected shortly after the charges were brought 4092 03:31:13.879 --> 03:31:15.120 in that case, the one that made it in a 4093 03:31:15.200 --> 03:31:18.239 circus and you know, made sure nothing ever got brought accountable, 4094 03:31:18.280 --> 03:31:21.959 et cetera. But the first district journey when charges were 4095 03:31:22.000 --> 03:31:24.840 brought and then McMartin case described it in that press 4096 03:31:24.879 --> 03:31:30.120 conferences revolving around child pornography. Yes, so the public statement 4097 03:31:30.159 --> 03:31:32.879 made it was obviously shitcoad later by Charlie's friends and whatnot. 4098 03:31:33.000 --> 03:31:34.680 But it is what we see there, and that was 4099 03:31:34.719 --> 03:31:37.440 at Manhattan Beach where we see our two characters in 4100 03:31:37.479 --> 03:31:40.000 the film come back here for if I may offer 4101 03:31:40.079 --> 03:31:43.319 all of y'all all three of y'all. Some closing statements here, 4102 03:31:43.399 --> 03:31:45.600 but this is where after the after this clip, this 4103 03:31:45.680 --> 03:31:48.319 is where, you know, the little uh scene of these 4104 03:31:48.360 --> 03:31:50.840 two guys really coming together, you know, old Jack Queen 4105 03:31:50.959 --> 03:31:54.159 and Uh Joaquin and who himself grew up in a 4106 03:31:54.200 --> 03:31:55.879 sex cult. By the way, I forgot to mention that, 4107 03:31:56.440 --> 03:31:57.120 and Josh. 4108 03:31:56.959 --> 03:32:00.360 Brolin mercifully failed to trans fire. 4109 03:32:04.760 --> 03:32:12.600 Yeah, don't get up. 4110 03:32:13.440 --> 03:32:18.600 Big Foot and whoops smashed on my door? Whoop? What's 4111 03:32:18.600 --> 03:32:19.120 going on here? 4112 03:32:19.280 --> 03:32:21.719 After a long and busy day of civil rights violations, 4113 03:32:23.399 --> 03:32:25.399 I found myself in the neighborhood and compelled to drop 4114 03:32:25.479 --> 03:32:27.959 in just to check and see the current state of 4115 03:32:28.000 --> 03:32:30.959 affairs and my old stomping grounds. Seeing as your effort 4116 03:32:30.959 --> 03:32:34.760 to keep lines of communication have been limited, to say 4117 03:32:34.760 --> 03:32:40.000 the least. Who I've been busy trying to figure out 4118 03:32:40.000 --> 03:32:41.959 which side of the exact paper is the sticky side. 4119 03:32:44.520 --> 03:32:49.680 I love that line. Yeah that, and he tells him 4120 03:32:49.680 --> 03:32:51.680 at one point, you smell like Pachuli Farks. I love 4121 03:32:51.719 --> 03:32:52.280 that one too. 4122 03:32:56.159 --> 03:32:57.680 The Julie Parks. 4123 03:33:08.840 --> 03:33:13.360 Listen, I'm so sorry about last night you Why should 4124 03:33:13.360 --> 03:33:13.920 you be sorry? 4125 03:33:14.760 --> 03:33:18.680 Mh weird, weird? 4126 03:33:21.440 --> 03:33:22.520 It is weird, dude. 4127 03:33:22.639 --> 03:33:24.319 This whole scene is so strange. 4128 03:33:25.120 --> 03:33:26.799 I mean, it gets weird too, right. 4129 03:33:39.440 --> 03:33:41.200 It's fucking eating the zincxacs. 4130 03:33:41.319 --> 03:33:43.440 Dude, dude, oh dude. 4131 03:33:44.079 --> 03:33:46.159 I mean it's it seems like such a Schitzo ending, 4132 03:33:46.239 --> 03:33:48.639 but it's a Schitzo kind of film, so it's very fitting, 4133 03:33:48.639 --> 03:33:51.760 I feel like, but it is. I appreciate all y'all 4134 03:33:51.840 --> 03:33:53.760 join me here and folks at the interwebsite, I joined 4135 03:33:53.840 --> 03:33:55.319 us to get a little gc D on the matters 4136 03:33:55.360 --> 03:33:58.600 of this occult and esoteric film. Review of the twenty 4137 03:33:58.680 --> 03:34:01.680 fourteen Cinematic Master Beast and air advice and if I 4138 03:34:01.760 --> 03:34:05.000 may start off there with Julia in some closing statements, 4139 03:34:05.079 --> 03:34:08.360 comments or any plugs or concerns or any questions. 4140 03:34:08.399 --> 03:34:09.760 Do you have any questions. I don't know what's going 4141 03:34:09.799 --> 03:34:10.559 on over there right now. 4142 03:34:12.319 --> 03:34:14.120 Well, I really like this movie. 4143 03:34:16.479 --> 03:34:16.680 I do. 4144 03:34:17.120 --> 03:34:19.120 I feel like I would need to watch it a 4145 03:34:19.200 --> 03:34:24.479 few more times to kind of get every perspective, because 4146 03:34:24.760 --> 03:34:27.959 I've watched it two and a half times now, and 4147 03:34:28.399 --> 03:34:31.280 there are things like that Austin mentioned that I never 4148 03:34:31.319 --> 03:34:35.520 would have put together, like maybe doc is like a 4149 03:34:35.600 --> 03:34:39.200 figment of Bigfoots imagination and stuff like that. 4150 03:34:39.399 --> 03:34:42.760 That's that's kind of trippy because the whole thing does 4151 03:34:42.959 --> 03:34:50.040 seem very dream like. But you watch it? Who's it? 4152 03:34:50.159 --> 03:34:50.280 Oh? 4153 03:34:50.360 --> 03:34:53.879 I don't even know what this movie. It's free on Hulu. 4154 03:34:54.040 --> 03:34:56.360 If you have Hulu, watch it right now. 4155 03:34:56.479 --> 03:34:58.000 Or you could borrow the DVD from me. 4156 03:34:58.360 --> 03:35:02.520 Yeah, Jo, because again, I've watched this easily ten times 4157 03:35:02.520 --> 03:35:04.280 before I started really putting a lot of pieces together. 4158 03:35:04.479 --> 03:35:05.159 There's a lot going on. 4159 03:35:05.319 --> 03:35:08.959 Right Oh yeah, Kobe made me watch it. He's made 4160 03:35:09.000 --> 03:35:13.680 me a more well rounded individual since we got married. 4161 03:35:14.360 --> 03:35:16.680 He makes me watch things that I would pass up 4162 03:35:16.760 --> 03:35:18.239 in a fucking heartbeat. 4163 03:35:18.479 --> 03:35:21.879 On ghost hunters. 4164 03:35:22.239 --> 03:35:25.799 Yeah, well, let's be honest. Who doesn't want to watch 4165 03:35:25.840 --> 03:35:28.200 a couple of grown men scream while wearing but dazzle jeans, 4166 03:35:28.319 --> 03:35:29.200 you know, run around. 4167 03:35:30.680 --> 03:35:31.479 When you can live it. 4168 03:35:36.000 --> 03:35:38.120 My weekends, get them up the dazzle jeans, run around 4169 03:35:38.120 --> 03:35:40.719 a couple empty you know, barns or farmhouses. 4170 03:35:40.799 --> 03:35:40.959 You know. 4171 03:35:42.479 --> 03:35:46.159 I love it. But now I'll let you say your 4172 03:35:46.239 --> 03:35:47.959 final thoughts. I really liked the movie. 4173 03:35:48.559 --> 03:35:54.239 I think it's uh, it's it's about like a psychological obviously, 4174 03:35:54.879 --> 03:35:55.719 among other things. 4175 03:35:55.760 --> 03:35:58.520 It's layered. But the thing that stood out the most 4176 03:35:58.600 --> 03:36:00.280 to me was that this was kind of like an 4177 03:36:00.399 --> 03:36:07.319 m K. Weird disassociative psychological movie. He made me watch 4178 03:36:07.639 --> 03:36:11.000 Requiem for a Dream and I almost freaking started my period. 4179 03:36:15.200 --> 03:36:18.360 I went out of my way to to not la 4180 03:36:18.680 --> 03:36:23.840 that morning, macause because you know, pulation, because. 4181 03:36:26.200 --> 03:36:28.440 But yeah, no, this this is one of those movies 4182 03:36:28.479 --> 03:36:30.639 that he has me watched that at the end, I'm 4183 03:36:30.719 --> 03:36:32.520 just kind of like, what the fuck was that? 4184 03:36:33.079 --> 03:36:34.799 That's the best reaction to a movie? 4185 03:36:35.360 --> 03:36:35.600 Yeah? 4186 03:36:38.280 --> 03:36:40.639 What was the other one that I had the same 4187 03:36:40.680 --> 03:36:43.600 reaction inception? And I walked out of the theater, walked 4188 03:36:43.680 --> 03:36:45.280 right back into the theater, and I said, to watch 4189 03:36:45.319 --> 03:36:45.639 that again. 4190 03:36:45.639 --> 03:36:46.680 I don't know what just happened. 4191 03:36:48.079 --> 03:36:50.120 Yeah, any David Lynch movie. 4192 03:36:50.760 --> 03:36:52.920 Yeah, we should all get together at some point and 4193 03:36:53.000 --> 03:36:55.319 cover Moholland Drive, because I think there's a lot of 4194 03:36:56.200 --> 03:37:00.440 old Hollywood occultism in that one and just absolutely overall 4195 03:37:00.559 --> 03:37:01.079 mind fuck. 4196 03:37:01.319 --> 03:37:01.520 Yeah. 4197 03:37:01.719 --> 03:37:04.600 He I came to visit him and we got high 4198 03:37:04.680 --> 03:37:07.959 as fucking Georgia pines, and then he was like, we 4199 03:37:08.040 --> 03:37:11.159 should watch Mauholland Drive. And I was like, okay, because 4200 03:37:11.200 --> 03:37:14.600 I love Laurel Canyon stuff. Talk about turning your bee 4201 03:37:14.680 --> 03:37:15.639 hole inside out. 4202 03:37:15.719 --> 03:37:22.680 I was like, up close to that is under the 4203 03:37:22.719 --> 03:37:24.799 Silver Lake. If a master under the Silver Lake with 4204 03:37:24.959 --> 03:37:26.760 you know, the dog Killers and all the other weird 4205 03:37:26.799 --> 03:37:27.479 shit going on there. 4206 03:37:28.440 --> 03:37:29.360 I haven't seen that one. 4207 03:37:30.440 --> 03:37:32.760 You haven't seen under the Silver Lake Hole My goodness, dude, 4208 03:37:33.079 --> 03:37:35.719 you're gonna enjoy that, sir recommendation. 4209 03:37:36.559 --> 03:37:39.360 Yeah. At one point during Maulholland Drive, she just looked 4210 03:37:39.399 --> 03:37:41.120 over at me. She's like, I thought we were supposed 4211 03:37:41.120 --> 03:37:42.000 to be having fun. 4212 03:37:43.120 --> 03:37:45.280 Yeah, I said that. 4213 03:37:45.479 --> 03:37:47.360 I said that four and a half minutes end of 4214 03:37:47.399 --> 03:37:49.079 the cafe scene. I thought this was supposed to be 4215 03:37:49.120 --> 03:37:49.600 a good movie. 4216 03:37:51.920 --> 03:37:52.840 That's what what? 4217 03:37:53.200 --> 03:37:53.319 Uh? 4218 03:37:54.719 --> 03:37:57.239 I kind of like I knew what I was getting 4219 03:37:57.239 --> 03:37:59.440 into with the Ninth Gate. I was kind of like 4220 03:38:05.200 --> 03:38:07.600 I knew what I was getting into with that. With 4221 03:38:08.040 --> 03:38:11.040 with eight millimeter, I didn't. 4222 03:38:10.840 --> 03:38:14.000 Know eight millimeter. I saw someone mentioned that in the 4223 03:38:14.079 --> 03:38:17.520 comments earlier. You know, with his past, he sure has 4224 03:38:17.600 --> 03:38:19.200 drawn to a lot of this dark ass ship. I 4225 03:38:19.239 --> 03:38:22.680 mean even the Gladiator, he's he's basically playing a pedophile. 4226 03:38:23.520 --> 03:38:30.200 Yeah, he's doing like screen d Honestly, he is a 4227 03:38:30.840 --> 03:38:35.600 he's a fascinating guy. He's a very incredible actor. Honestly, 4228 03:38:35.760 --> 03:38:38.559 really has become that. But I will say they put 4229 03:38:38.639 --> 03:38:41.479 him through a humiliation ritual with that Joker Too movie, right, 4230 03:38:41.799 --> 03:38:42.319 Am I wrong? 4231 03:38:42.399 --> 03:38:42.600 There? 4232 03:38:42.879 --> 03:38:45.280 I mean that was that was ridiculous. I didn't even 4233 03:38:45.799 --> 03:38:49.079 get through it at all. But it just, uh, you know, 4234 03:38:49.719 --> 03:38:54.639 to take the original, which at least had like legitimate 4235 03:38:54.799 --> 03:38:57.920 value to a certain extent, and then and then entirely 4236 03:38:58.520 --> 03:39:01.680 put But yeah, I'm not surprise, but it sort of 4237 03:39:01.760 --> 03:39:06.079 reminds me of the Blink Twice concept that I mentioned earlier, 4238 03:39:06.159 --> 03:39:10.200 because the conclusion of that film is so like absolutely ridiculous. 4239 03:39:10.280 --> 03:39:12.920 I mean it obviously they go woke as hell an 4240 03:39:12.920 --> 03:39:17.000 attempt to implement this sort of like feminist like context 4241 03:39:17.120 --> 03:39:21.200 to like now the victim becomes the abuser and it's 4242 03:39:21.280 --> 03:39:24.600 now worshiped by the general population. It's like so strange, 4243 03:39:24.639 --> 03:39:27.440 you know, it doesn't even make sense. But I will 4244 03:39:27.559 --> 03:39:33.360 say that with inherent vice, like inherent vice in every way, 4245 03:39:34.120 --> 03:39:39.920 it appeals to me as just again connoiseur of just 4246 03:39:40.920 --> 03:39:44.280 in my mind these sort of layered film projects that 4247 03:39:44.399 --> 03:39:48.000 I think are far more just like compelling, you know, 4248 03:39:48.239 --> 03:39:50.840 just to experience as an audience member. But I will 4249 03:39:50.959 --> 03:39:54.600 say that it fit and gave me that same sort 4250 03:39:54.639 --> 03:40:00.600 of feeling as eight Millimeter in terms of the conception value. 4251 03:40:01.040 --> 03:40:03.440 And and again It's like, what what I what I 4252 03:40:03.639 --> 03:40:06.280 find so valuable about eight millimeter, right, is just the 4253 03:40:06.479 --> 03:40:10.440 the idea of of of snuff films being this urban myth, 4254 03:40:10.840 --> 03:40:13.040 you know, and being conflated in this way like the 4255 03:40:13.079 --> 03:40:17.280 Satanic panic, very much so, and in my mind of manufacture, misconception. 4256 03:40:17.799 --> 03:40:20.600 And and you see how these eight millimeter film strips 4257 03:40:21.040 --> 03:40:25.040 undeveloped this old money scion family, this woman who who 4258 03:40:25.479 --> 03:40:30.040 legitimately she becomes a widow, and and she allegedly you're 4259 03:40:30.040 --> 03:40:33.559 supposed to believe that she she views her husband like 4260 03:40:35.360 --> 03:40:37.440 at least she she sort of bought the myth in 4261 03:40:37.559 --> 03:40:39.840 terms of her husband, and and and thought that he 4262 03:40:40.040 --> 03:40:44.719 was this he stood for everything you know of just 4263 03:40:46.159 --> 03:40:49.079 I would say, in terms of the ethical values and 4264 03:40:49.159 --> 03:40:51.719 what he was pursuing. She she definitely it seemed like 4265 03:40:51.959 --> 03:40:56.600 she she believed the the false narrative of his character, 4266 03:40:56.799 --> 03:40:58.719 you know, and in in that in this way. And 4267 03:40:58.799 --> 03:41:01.559 then she sees this un developed eight millimeter film strip 4268 03:41:01.639 --> 03:41:05.000 after he dies right in his in his private safe, 4269 03:41:05.399 --> 03:41:08.959 and then has a Nicholas Cage come and actually screen 4270 03:41:09.079 --> 03:41:13.239 this this film strip. And then he has this like 4271 03:41:13.360 --> 03:41:17.639 physical reaction to what he obviously witnesses as a child 4272 03:41:17.799 --> 03:41:22.920 being completely sexually abused and then potentially murdered in a 4273 03:41:22.959 --> 03:41:27.280 stuff film. Right, it escalated, and his physical reaction was like, 4274 03:41:28.399 --> 03:41:32.319 you know, he recoiled in every way. It was like 4275 03:41:32.559 --> 03:41:34.680 what you would naturally do if you truly believed what 4276 03:41:34.760 --> 03:41:37.879 you saw was real. And then he attempted to justify 4277 03:41:37.879 --> 03:41:41.440 it in his own mind, like, no, that's not you know, 4278 03:41:41.559 --> 03:41:43.319 there's no way that could be real. And then he 4279 03:41:43.440 --> 03:41:46.319 tries to pursue the case in some sort of objective way, 4280 03:41:46.840 --> 03:41:51.719 and he's introduced to the most well established pedophile underworld 4281 03:41:51.799 --> 03:41:55.799 you could ever imagine, you know, and that alone, and 4282 03:41:55.920 --> 03:41:56.879 that's not far off. 4283 03:41:56.760 --> 03:41:59.680 In the network we're seeing here in this film, right exactly. 4284 03:42:01.799 --> 03:42:06.559 Yeah, I think again, just saying both of you would 4285 03:42:06.559 --> 03:42:09.000 like Archive eighty one because it's not films. 4286 03:42:09.479 --> 03:42:12.559 Well, we're gonna be doing eight milimeters in October as well. 4287 03:42:12.680 --> 03:42:15.319 Land and my my occasional co host and guests from 4288 03:42:15.360 --> 03:42:18.120 The Daily Dissident there fellow West Virginia in there. Land 4289 03:42:18.159 --> 03:42:20.760 and he he's that's one of his favorite movies. I 4290 03:42:20.799 --> 03:42:22.319 guess he's been trying to get me to do review 4291 03:42:22.360 --> 03:42:24.440 of it. I actually just recently watched it for the 4292 03:42:24.479 --> 03:42:24.959 first time. 4293 03:42:25.440 --> 03:42:27.719 I'm lotd you. I was fucking disturbed, and I've seen 4294 03:42:27.719 --> 03:42:29.920 a lot of ship I've been I saw. 4295 03:42:29.760 --> 03:42:32.600 That in the theater. It's like a young teenager with 4296 03:42:32.719 --> 03:42:33.520 my mom and brother. 4297 03:42:34.280 --> 03:42:39.879 My god, I'll get you been uncomfortable. 4298 03:42:40.200 --> 03:42:41.719 Well, well, we didn't know what we were watching. 4299 03:42:41.760 --> 03:42:46.520 It was like, it's the guy who wrote seven, and 4300 03:42:46.600 --> 03:42:47.639 you're like, fuck me. 4301 03:42:48.479 --> 03:42:50.639 I saw seven in the theater and that was pretty 4302 03:42:51.520 --> 03:42:52.479 That was pretty disturbing. 4303 03:42:54.319 --> 03:42:54.959 Top seven. 4304 03:42:55.440 --> 03:42:57.319 Oh, definitely, I disagree. 4305 03:42:58.040 --> 03:43:01.520 Uncomfortable factor of being with the family while you're watching it. 4306 03:43:02.200 --> 03:43:05.399 After it was over, my mom aue what I'm saying, dude, 4307 03:43:05.440 --> 03:43:07.040 Like that's aggressive, that age. 4308 03:43:07.360 --> 03:43:09.879 Well my mom, yeah, she talked to my brother and 4309 03:43:09.920 --> 03:43:11.799 I and she was like, yeah, that ship really happens. 4310 03:43:12.559 --> 03:43:13.799 Rich people are fucked up. 4311 03:43:13.840 --> 03:43:14.319 I don't know that. 4312 03:43:14.440 --> 03:43:15.360 That's pretty amazing. 4313 03:43:17.239 --> 03:43:19.719 She's great. I mean, she's like us. She thinks like 4314 03:43:19.799 --> 03:43:20.200 we all do. 4315 03:43:20.440 --> 03:43:23.360 So yeah, I was just gonna say, that's totally an 4316 03:43:23.399 --> 03:43:26.719 awesome memory you can have now because that's a cool. 4317 03:43:26.799 --> 03:43:29.840 Mom just saying in hindsight, Hell yeah, that that is 4318 03:43:29.879 --> 03:43:30.760 an awesome memory. 4319 03:43:30.879 --> 03:43:32.000 That's true. That's true. 4320 03:43:32.399 --> 03:43:35.680 That I will still the only point I wanted to 4321 03:43:35.760 --> 03:43:39.159 make it an eight millimeter. Is that What's stuck with 4322 03:43:39.280 --> 03:43:42.600 me more than anything is that Joaquin Phoenix's character I 4323 03:43:42.639 --> 03:43:45.639 think is brilliant in that in that movie. And he's 4324 03:43:45.879 --> 03:43:48.719 essentially he's the connect, right, he's working at a porn shop. 4325 03:43:49.159 --> 03:43:52.479 He's he's he's behind the counter, but he's offering up 4326 03:43:52.520 --> 03:43:55.639 to any of the clientele, you know. Essentially if he 4327 03:43:55.760 --> 03:43:59.719 thinks that or he's the he's sort of gauging the 4328 03:43:59.799 --> 03:44:03.280 care character if if he views them as as obviously 4329 03:44:03.399 --> 03:44:06.719 not being uh, you know, some sort of snitch or 4330 03:44:06.959 --> 03:44:09.520 or at the very least he's willing to to introduce 4331 03:44:09.600 --> 03:44:13.159 them into this lifestyle, uh, provide them with let's just 4332 03:44:13.319 --> 03:44:18.520 say illegal the you know, pornography of some kind under 4333 03:44:18.559 --> 03:44:23.440 the counter. And then he goes on to basically he 4334 03:44:23.920 --> 03:44:27.120 strikes up this relationship with Nicholas Cage's character, who's asking 4335 03:44:27.200 --> 03:44:29.280 him questions while he's working behind the counter at this 4336 03:44:29.399 --> 03:44:33.040 porn shop. And so he grows more and more comfortable 4337 03:44:33.120 --> 03:44:36.479 with Nicholas Cage's character as a private investigator obviously, and 4338 03:44:36.520 --> 03:44:39.760 then he introduces him to like this this this venue, 4339 03:44:40.200 --> 03:44:44.000 this sort of like c D location in town where 4340 03:44:44.120 --> 03:44:48.000 where all these sort of like you know, just individuals 4341 03:44:48.079 --> 03:44:52.399 with this you know, sinister sexual proclivity proclivities or like 4342 03:44:52.479 --> 03:44:56.600 accumulating in order to like pursue these these disgusting uh 4343 03:44:56.799 --> 03:44:59.520 you know, fetishes, and and so they had like all 4344 03:44:59.520 --> 03:45:02.239 these screening rooms and in this uh in this kind 4345 03:45:02.239 --> 03:45:04.959 of like seed the area and in in this weird 4346 03:45:05.120 --> 03:45:09.159 warehouse type of situation and uh and there's all these 4347 03:45:09.200 --> 03:45:12.120 screening rooms involved behind curtains and you can hear people 4348 03:45:12.280 --> 03:45:15.079 just like jerking off and listening and watching terrible things. 4349 03:45:15.440 --> 03:45:18.840 And then he goes up to one of the last 4350 03:45:19.000 --> 03:45:22.200 rooms in the uh in uh in the air or 4351 03:45:22.280 --> 03:45:25.760 at least in this property, and essentially walking Phoenix is 4352 03:45:25.799 --> 03:45:28.479 trying to describe to him like what he's about to see, 4353 03:45:28.879 --> 03:45:31.239 you know, and and basically telling him like, there's this 4354 03:45:31.399 --> 03:45:34.520 is a point of no return for everyone. If you 4355 03:45:34.639 --> 03:45:38.239 ever were to experience this, you cannot come back. You 4356 03:45:38.280 --> 03:45:40.639 will never be the same. And in the way that 4357 03:45:40.719 --> 03:45:43.360 he kind of describes that to him is just like 4358 03:45:43.479 --> 03:45:45.680 it resonated with me and stuck with me and I'll 4359 03:45:45.719 --> 03:45:48.920 forever remember. And it's it's basically he says to him, 4360 03:45:49.520 --> 03:45:54.159 he says, you dance with the devil. The devil doesn't change, 4361 03:45:54.600 --> 03:45:59.559 the devil changes you, and that like just me. 4362 03:45:59.719 --> 03:46:01.680 Person, I saw that that was a very telling statement 4363 03:46:01.680 --> 03:46:04.200 of him. I oft I often say the same thing 4364 03:46:04.239 --> 03:46:06.559 throughout my military career, especially if by offer advice in 4365 03:46:06.680 --> 03:46:09.000 my troops, I would say, you can dance with the devil, 4366 03:46:09.040 --> 03:46:11.559 but just remember the dances. The devil is gonna dance 4367 03:46:11.680 --> 03:46:14.879 back with you. And that's absolutely that's essentially. 4368 03:46:14.840 --> 03:46:16.440 Like staring into the abyss man. 4369 03:46:16.879 --> 03:46:18.600 You know, well, man, it's essentially what goes on when 4370 03:46:18.600 --> 03:46:20.840 you watched that fucking movie. Dude, that's a fucking disturbing movie. 4371 03:46:20.920 --> 03:46:22.000 Dude, that's. 4372 03:46:23.760 --> 03:46:28.319 Just motherfucker tried out JJ jj Ames the private detective 4373 03:46:28.360 --> 03:46:31.440 with no hands, two claws and a tiger that saved 4374 03:46:31.479 --> 03:46:35.079 Marlon Brando's son. And I think all of these the 4375 03:46:35.120 --> 03:46:40.760 film yea hooky guys save Marlon Brando's on in Mexico. 4376 03:46:40.840 --> 03:46:42.120 You don't know if he brought his tiger with him, 4377 03:46:42.120 --> 03:46:45.479 same as John j Ames jj Ames. Find out JJ 4378 03:46:46.559 --> 03:46:49.680 at least in some regard rest in peace. But anyhow, 4379 03:46:49.799 --> 03:46:51.440 I don't know how he did it. He's got dude, 4380 03:46:51.479 --> 03:46:53.479 he had a he had a hook attachment for a gun. 4381 03:46:53.840 --> 03:46:56.360 This is like inspector gadget dude, But like real life, 4382 03:47:01.079 --> 03:47:03.399 we live in them up at world of narratives, we 4383 03:47:03.440 --> 03:47:06.040 don't understand. We're sold propagandaitude through a bunch of hood 4384 03:47:06.120 --> 03:47:08.159 rat ship and guys with fucking hook hands and a 4385 03:47:08.239 --> 03:47:10.399 gun attachment and some tigers too. 4386 03:47:10.399 --> 03:47:12.920 Apparently that sounds like this story. 4387 03:47:13.040 --> 03:47:17.000 And uh, Adventures and Babysitting. 4388 03:47:16.680 --> 03:47:18.840 And he had a Oh that's a great movie, dude, 4389 03:47:18.840 --> 03:47:20.239 I love Adventures of Babysitting. 4390 03:47:22.520 --> 03:47:26.879 Honorable mention, Joaquin Phoenix and uh walk the line. 4391 03:47:27.639 --> 03:47:29.840 I thought you were gonna say, mentioned the kids that 4392 03:47:31.399 --> 03:47:33.879 the kid, the Jeffrey or the Kevin Spacey did in 4393 03:47:34.200 --> 03:47:43.239 in the Adventures and Babysitting. Oh, Anthony rap guy he was, 4394 03:47:43.440 --> 03:47:45.159 he was in that film. It was the summer before 4395 03:47:45.239 --> 03:47:47.719 that film. I believe that he got diddled by Kevin 4396 03:47:47.760 --> 03:47:51.680 Spacey at Jeffrey's house at that at that interlocking camp. 4397 03:47:52.000 --> 03:47:53.520 I didn't know. 4398 03:47:56.639 --> 03:47:57.040 Right around. 4399 03:47:59.479 --> 03:48:04.000 She can't even mentioned an innocent throwaway hook line. Coming back, I. 4400 03:48:04.000 --> 03:48:07.120 Will bring it back to Epstein's like I'm good. I'm 4401 03:48:07.120 --> 03:48:09.760 beginning to understand Epstein's like the wears Waldo of everything 4402 03:48:09.799 --> 03:48:14.479 in parapolitics this morning, who ever employed that motherfucker just 4403 03:48:14.520 --> 03:48:16.600 sent him around the world, just taking photographs. 4404 03:48:16.120 --> 03:48:19.479 Of everybody wears Waldo style like, oh, there's Jeffrey. There's Jeffrey. 4405 03:48:21.959 --> 03:48:24.040 Cardboard cutout that they were trolling. 4406 03:48:24.680 --> 03:48:27.760 People just carry around that cardboard cut out like that's 4407 03:48:27.799 --> 03:48:30.079 what I'm saying, He's everywhere, dude, what is going on 4408 03:48:30.200 --> 03:48:33.959 in life? Mm hmm, Well, I appreciate your all timing 4409 03:48:34.239 --> 03:48:36.000 and folks the inner webs. Thanks for joining us here 4410 03:48:36.040 --> 03:48:38.399 to your little GC d any lasts for closing statements 4411 03:48:38.399 --> 03:48:40.799 before we call it in here goodbye. 4412 03:48:41.120 --> 03:48:44.399 Yeah, thanks for having us your favorite garbage. 4413 03:48:44.000 --> 03:48:48.360 Can gal absolutely even got the bottle clip for you there, man, 4414 03:48:50.559 --> 03:48:52.639 Sir and Allston Weap of card I always enjoy our 4415 03:48:52.719 --> 03:48:54.239 conversations as well, Thank you, sir. 4416 03:48:54.280 --> 03:48:58.639 Hey Man, nothing justin yeah, honestly, dude, nothing beloved for 4417 03:48:58.760 --> 03:49:01.159 all of you guys. And I appreciate you guys and 4418 03:49:01.319 --> 03:49:05.000 and just the conversation alone. But but yeah, I'm eager 4419 03:49:05.040 --> 03:49:08.000 to to you know, continue to collaborate. Honestly, I'd like 4420 03:49:08.120 --> 03:49:11.079 to try and plan a few things maybe going forward. 4421 03:49:11.120 --> 03:49:12.719 I know you guys are going to take some time off, 4422 03:49:12.840 --> 03:49:15.200 but whenever you're you know, I'll hit you up. And 4423 03:49:15.280 --> 03:49:17.959 whenever you're you're back and willing and ready to do 4424 03:49:18.120 --> 03:49:21.520 some some more collaborations, like I'm interested and I would 4425 03:49:21.559 --> 03:49:23.399 love to have you guys on the show too, just 4426 03:49:23.799 --> 03:49:27.360 you know, I'm trying to one improve as an interviewer 4427 03:49:27.440 --> 03:49:32.280 as well, but beyond that, just I enjoy the conversations 4428 03:49:32.319 --> 03:49:35.120 where I feel like they're constructive and I consistently learn 4429 03:49:35.200 --> 03:49:39.520 something new. And it's not just people, you know, just 4430 03:49:39.840 --> 03:49:43.040 overall agreeing with each other on every single point, you 4431 03:49:43.360 --> 03:49:46.399 know what I mean, It's like I'd much rather preferred 4432 03:49:46.440 --> 03:49:49.879 to have conversations with people who are critically thinking through 4433 03:49:49.959 --> 03:49:52.079 these things and have something new to bring to the 4434 03:49:52.120 --> 03:49:55.159 table and and are attempting to in a way where 4435 03:49:55.600 --> 03:49:59.120 they're they're acting in good faith, which is definitely something 4436 03:49:59.200 --> 03:50:04.920 that just frustrates me. Just kind of like what I 4437 03:50:05.040 --> 03:50:09.879 care for more than anything is just essentially knowing that 4438 03:50:10.000 --> 03:50:13.280 your intentions are pure, and then I'm more than willing 4439 03:50:13.399 --> 03:50:17.399 to at every level engage with you and hope to 4440 03:50:17.760 --> 03:50:21.239 grow together like that. That's all I would ever hope 4441 03:50:21.280 --> 03:50:23.719 to achieve. And and so I just have to say, man, 4442 03:50:24.079 --> 03:50:28.559 it provides me with further inspiration and hope in general 4443 03:50:28.639 --> 03:50:31.200 as well, because I mean, my God, like a syop 4444 03:50:31.280 --> 03:50:34.559 season for real, like we're surrounded. Yeah, I mean it 4445 03:50:34.719 --> 03:50:37.680 feels like this in a way where it just feels 4446 03:50:37.760 --> 03:50:42.360 like we are you know, the this sort of very 4447 03:50:42.959 --> 03:50:48.559 deliberate deception has been just implemented and layered around us 4448 03:50:48.680 --> 03:50:51.239 to such an extent that it's very difficult to wade 4449 03:50:51.319 --> 03:50:55.440 through this sort of swamp of this information. And if 4450 03:50:55.479 --> 03:50:57.120 I can do that with people that I think have 4451 03:50:57.959 --> 03:51:00.520 wonderful intentions in their hearts are in the right place, then, 4452 03:51:01.159 --> 03:51:03.040 you know, man, thank God for that. 4453 03:51:03.360 --> 03:51:03.520 You know. 4454 03:51:03.680 --> 03:51:05.959 So I just have to say I got nothing but 4455 03:51:06.040 --> 03:51:07.959 love for you guys, and thank you as always, so 4456 03:51:08.200 --> 03:51:12.280 sir as well Colby for sure, man, Yeah, you. 4457 03:51:14.079 --> 03:51:16.360 Make some great points there, sir, and uh, and I 4458 03:51:16.440 --> 03:51:19.879 can encapsulate that by the used car salesman, extraordinary of 4459 03:51:19.959 --> 03:51:21.920 shit coating things, Old Ted Gunderson. 4460 03:51:22.559 --> 03:51:24.280 There's thousands of Americans out there. 4461 03:51:24.399 --> 03:51:30.840 By the way, I've been shot with a laser beam twice, folks. 4462 03:51:31.879 --> 03:51:33.239 I appreciate your time. 4463 03:51:33.280 --> 03:51:35.520 Has some great thoughts there, Austin and uh not Bill 4464 03:51:35.559 --> 03:51:38.520 Colby for sure your thoughts and the time, and your 4465 03:51:38.559 --> 03:51:39.360 thoughts and time as well. 4466 03:51:39.399 --> 03:51:39.520 Man. 4467 03:51:39.559 --> 03:51:43.239 I look forward to future collaborations and uh future discussions 4468 03:51:43.280 --> 03:51:49.360 on these matters, definitely for sure. On that note, any 4469 03:51:49.719 --> 03:51:52.920 last Alibis concerns, questions, comments, or statements. 4470 03:51:54.399 --> 03:51:55.760 My barn is burned 4471 03:52:24.159 --> 03:52:24.200 And