WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.360 --> 00:00:05.759 Well, normally I say no hits, de tracks, deep tracks. 2 00:00:05.480 --> 00:00:07.960 Only we follow the law of Andy Bernard. 3 00:00:08.640 --> 00:00:11.759 On the program today, Chris Camraaddie Live in studio, did 4 00:00:11.759 --> 00:00:14.359 you request the biggest of hits from the greatest jam 5 00:00:14.359 --> 00:00:15.039 band of all time? 6 00:00:15.119 --> 00:00:15.240 No? 7 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:17.280 Porter asked what I was in the mood for today, 8 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:19.239 and I said I wasn't in the mood for anything. 9 00:00:19.280 --> 00:00:21.760 So he reverted to the mean. And the mean is 10 00:00:22.039 --> 00:00:24.960 is Dave. And sometimes there are hits and sometimes you 11 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:25.600 just have to go with it. 12 00:00:25.640 --> 00:00:28.519 Wait a second, you Porter a hit. You produced this 13 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:31.120 show every day. You're familiar with the by laws of 14 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:31.600 the drive. 15 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:35.840 I know it was very last second, as I was 16 00:00:35.880 --> 00:00:38.840 situating cameras and such, I came in here and we 17 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:42.079 had one commercial but playing, so I just had to 18 00:00:42.200 --> 00:00:42.640 act quick. 19 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:44.280 Now it's all good man, it's Dave Matthews. 20 00:00:44.280 --> 00:00:47.000 I will I will admit to you know, back in 21 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:50.000 the day you caught the Office live, it wasn't you 22 00:00:50.039 --> 00:00:50.799 know something that. 23 00:00:50.759 --> 00:00:55.320 You could watch on every Thursday? Every Thursday? And the 24 00:00:55.359 --> 00:00:59.079 Andy Bernard Uh, he was skating right, he was at 25 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:02.679 like a class back. Yeah, he was on Rollerskate when 26 00:01:02.719 --> 00:01:05.239 he dropped the whole d MB. No hits. 27 00:01:05.319 --> 00:01:08.439 Oh I l O L c K I L O 28 00:01:08.599 --> 00:01:11.200 L because it was perfect. Because you have to understand, 29 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:13.359 I grew up with a lot of kids just like 30 00:01:13.400 --> 00:01:16.319 Andy Bernard. He is a perfect character for a lot of. 31 00:01:16.319 --> 00:01:19.120 The kids Ivy League, like. 32 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:24.840 A sailor, not a lot of self awareness, not near 33 00:01:24.879 --> 00:01:26.799 as smart as he thinks he is. Brags about the 34 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:28.480 school he went to even though he was a legacy, 35 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:31.560 you know, the whole Cornell bit, but when he dropped 36 00:01:31.560 --> 00:01:34.879 the whole like Dave Matthews band, no hits deep tracks, 37 00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:36.920 because that's what most day fans would say, like, Oh, 38 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:40.760 you don't know, you don't really know Dave. Oh what 39 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:44.120 do you think? Crash is the best song? Best Dave album? 40 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:45.159 Have I asked you this before? Oh? 41 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:48.599 Yeah, under the Table, see it's before these crowded streets. 42 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:50.719 Yeah, I mean that's what day fans would tell you, 43 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:53.719 because Under the Table is too bainstream, is it? 44 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:56.040 It's BTCS, that's what we could say. It's after he 45 00:01:56.079 --> 00:01:58.000 sold out, it is it is God bless him. 46 00:01:58.040 --> 00:02:00.040 Going going back to our theme of last week of 47 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:05.480 nineties music, selling out is no longer a thing. Back 48 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:11.360 in the nineties, you were like the Nirvana's Pearl Jams, Like, 49 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:13.319 I don't know Pearl Jam all that well, but I 50 00:02:13.360 --> 00:02:15.400 feel like they were kind of the poster child of 51 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:18.719 what selling out was like, wasn't didn't what's his face? 52 00:02:18.879 --> 00:02:21.919 Eddie Vedergan like mad because like some people thought one 53 00:02:21.919 --> 00:02:24.120 of his albums were too was to mainstream, so he 54 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:25.120 got pouty about it. 55 00:02:25.520 --> 00:02:26.960 We just don't do that anymore. Yeah. 56 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:29.599 I think ultimately selling out just means you're making money 57 00:02:29.639 --> 00:02:31.800 for your music. Now, I'll tell you what though, I 58 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:35.319 do feel like so Porter is a country music fan, yeah, 59 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:37.759 and he refuses to listen to any country music artists 60 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:40.199 who actually sells records. So I do think there's the 61 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:43.319 sellout style on the countries, like Zach Bryan's sellout right. 62 00:02:43.319 --> 00:02:45.080 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we talked about this. 63 00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:47.919 My wife loves Zach Bryan, and anytime I send Porter 64 00:02:48.080 --> 00:02:50.039 like a John Prime song, He's like, Okay, now, this 65 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:51.840 is this is what I'm talking about, right. 66 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:54.639 Like there's sellout in country music these days, Right. 67 00:02:55.240 --> 00:03:00.800 There's definitely like a fine line between radio country. What 68 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:03.039 I would say is, yeah, it's it's like independent labels 69 00:03:03.039 --> 00:03:05.120 and that that's I mean, that is a genre that 70 00:03:05.199 --> 00:03:06.639 is kind of done it. But if you're trying to 71 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:08.960 make pop music or trying to make hip hop music, 72 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:10.840 I don't really think you have that option as much. 73 00:03:10.919 --> 00:03:14.879 Yeah, Porter constantly says, I listened to non radio country, right, 74 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:17.520 so there's that, you know, the hipster country people now 75 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:19.879 starting to manifest themselves this country how to sell out. 76 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:21.639 That's okay because I came in one day. I'm like, dude, 77 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:23.560 guess what I'm listening to some country man. I listened 78 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:26.159 to Zach Bryan and Porter's like shaking said out, this 79 00:03:26.280 --> 00:03:26.840 is not it. 80 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:30.960 Do you ever listen to Zach Brian? Yeah? 81 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:34.800 So I kind of reached my apex on Zach Bryan 82 00:03:34.840 --> 00:03:37.319 at the moment, but she is still riding that wave. 83 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:39.599 So I just kind of have to tune out and 84 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:42.680 do the listening to seagulls in my head and just 85 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:43.439 tune it out. 86 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:45.840 There you go, Chris Comrodnie live in studio, c K 87 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:47.080 Happy Ones and man, how you doing. 88 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:48.479 I'm doing well? How are you? I'm good? 89 00:03:48.520 --> 00:03:50.599 I got a little voice thing, yeah, or we're working 90 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:53.400 through it and take a little time off. I know 91 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:56.159 you can. That's why you're here. In fact, you want 92 00:03:56.199 --> 00:03:57.639 to just carry the hour, do you want to interview you. 93 00:03:57.919 --> 00:03:59.240 I saw what the rundown is. 94 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:03.719 It's me your guy, Bob's good vibes and coach Way 95 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:04.319 and coach Way. 96 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:04.680 Wow. 97 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:07.319 So we got a heavy hitter line of Chris Camaraddi, 98 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:08.639 Pablo Mascoonni Kylewood. 99 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:11.000 I've always been kind of a leadoff hitter. Have you know, 100 00:04:11.159 --> 00:04:13.360 like a squid down the third baseline, beat it out 101 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:15.599 and just do make havoc on the basis. 102 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:17.639 Can you lay down a bunt? I can? Okay, that's 103 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:20.680 all that matters. So c k badding lead off? Do 104 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:22.800 you think? And I'm gonna ask Kyle this. 105 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:28.319 Oklahoma became I think the fourteenth major college football program 106 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:31.800 to announce that they're not doing away with their spring game. 107 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:34.000 They're just gonna do something different. I think it's gonna 108 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:35.360 look a lot like a pro day. They're gonna do 109 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:39.959 some drills or whatever. But sc Nebraska, a lot of 110 00:04:40.040 --> 00:04:42.480 Florida State, a lot of big time college football programs 111 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:44.279 have simply canceled their spring games. 112 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:45.240 Roster. 113 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:49.720 The roster number has been reduced to one oh five. 114 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:52.000 When you play your first game, you can only have 115 00:04:52.040 --> 00:04:54.839 one hundred and five players on your roster. And I 116 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:56.879 know that sounds like a lot, but that's down about 117 00:04:56.879 --> 00:05:00.800 twenty three to twenty four players. And if you make 118 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:02.800 the playoffs, if you win your conference and you make 119 00:05:02.839 --> 00:05:06.160 the playoffs, that's seventeen or eighteen football games, and you 120 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:08.720 cannot add players during the season. Maybe at some point 121 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:11.800 they'll find a mechanism for that. So I get it. 122 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:14.079 If you're canceling your spring game as a result of 123 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:16.560 the powers that be telling you have to cut your roster. 124 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:18.079 Do you think this is something that's going to be 125 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:19.439 commonplace in college football? 126 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:20.959 I mean, I think it could be, but I think 127 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:23.120 at a place like Utah, you won't see it happen 128 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:27.480 because of the Ty Jordan Aaron Low effects. I mean, 129 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:31.639 I think the proceeds from that game go directly into 130 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:34.480 the scholarship fund or something along those lines, if my 131 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:38.519 mind serves me correctly. So I think Utah is a 132 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:43.439 special circumstance. I think Kyle is a old school throwback 133 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:45.800 kind of guy and wants to be able to see 134 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:49.519 these guys play each other live. And I understand that 135 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:52.560 even in recent years, you've held out the ones for 136 00:05:52.600 --> 00:05:56.800 the most part, and that makes sense. But I think 137 00:05:57.040 --> 00:05:59.879 the fact that they made their spring game something that 138 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:04.600 means more than just a typical spring game. I think 139 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:08.160 Utah will probably ride it out until their head coach 140 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:10.879 decides they don't want to do it anymore. 141 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:12.480 I don't see that happening under Kyle, But. 142 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:17.240 I mean I don't think like a pseudo pro day 143 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:22.079 like flag football, kind of like a Pro Bowl style 144 00:06:22.959 --> 00:06:26.160 of an event. Isn't that bad of an idea because 145 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:31.199 you simultaneously will be in theory entertaining your fans with 146 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:34.800 a product that's supposed to be fun and engaging, and 147 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:38.759 for head coaches who are all very paranoid, you wouldn't 148 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:41.519 even necessarily need to tip your hand either. Well, who's 149 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:43.680 on what side of the ball you could have, you know, 150 00:06:43.879 --> 00:06:46.399 your your center as the quarterback out there having fun. 151 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:50.360 I'm just saying that, like I think eventually you could 152 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:53.000 see the trend go in that direction. 153 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:55.360 You know, it's actually to kind of stay in the 154 00:06:55.399 --> 00:06:58.120 space now that I'm thinking about it and what you 155 00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:00.079 just said as far as how you could cater it 156 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:02.600 to just being more of a celebration of your program. 157 00:07:03.199 --> 00:07:06.800 Have the quarterbacks all compete against each other for throwing 158 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:09.240 the ball through the tire or the target or whatever. 159 00:07:10.199 --> 00:07:13.040 Do kind of like a Pro Bowl type skill event challenge, 160 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:16.199 because ultimately, as a head coach you do not want 161 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:18.680 to lose any of your players, and as a fan, 162 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:23.360 you're not learning anything anyway. It's just an excuse what 163 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:25.319 some fans think they are even when they're. 164 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:26.040 Not breaking news. 165 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:30.079 You're not okay, it's just an excuse to call family 166 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:33.000 on three and say, let's head up to Rise Cycles 167 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:36.160 in all of our uteness. Yep, right, let's throw up 168 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:39.079 the you okay, let's do the thing. But the game 169 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:43.480 itself for me hasn't been interesting in I don't know 170 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:48.600 a decade or more right as far as like, are 171 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:51.040 we learning something about the schematics or the personnel? 172 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:51.639 Oh? Correct? 173 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:54.959 I think I can't remember what the setup was like 174 00:07:55.399 --> 00:07:58.959 in twenty seventeen eighteen when it was like Tyler Huntley 175 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:02.240 versus Troy Williams, good pull out. I mean I was 176 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:04.680 on the beat back then, so like maybe that was 177 00:08:04.759 --> 00:08:09.319 one time where maybe it was worth it. But I agree, 178 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:13.800 I just think like eventually you can see this whole 179 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:16.079 thing be done away for a multitude of reasons. But 180 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:18.120 I do think there is a way to if you 181 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:22.079 want to simultaneously engage your fan base and make money 182 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:22.399 off that. 183 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:23.600 There is a way to do it. 184 00:08:23.720 --> 00:08:26.240 So we had a Rick Neuheisl on the show about 185 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:29.519 a month ago, and I was with Rick up at 186 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:32.039 this event that I am seed and I didn't know this. 187 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:32.919 Rick was a walk on. 188 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:37.519 He walked on at UCLA, eventually became their starting quarterback 189 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:38.080 and was very good. 190 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:40.399 Played some minor league football, never played in the NFL. 191 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:44.200 And when we were talking about the new roster limits, 192 00:08:44.639 --> 00:08:47.840 because essentially, Ck, this is eliminating walk ons, like there 193 00:08:47.840 --> 00:08:50.639 will be no more walk ons, and the good news 194 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:53.000 is there will be enough scholarships to carry through one 195 00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:55.120 oh five, Like you will have a scholarship if you 196 00:08:55.120 --> 00:08:58.240 want a college football team. Now, does eliminating the walk 197 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:00.000 ons do anything to you? 198 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:01.200 Who does that say anything to you? 199 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:04.039 Because new Heisl's whole thing was like I was a 200 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:07.200 walk on and I earned the starting job within two years, 201 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:10.559 and we've seen a lot of walk ons earn jobs 202 00:09:10.639 --> 00:09:12.480 and you know, eventually earned scholarships. 203 00:09:12.519 --> 00:09:14.679 Doing away with walk ons in college football does that 204 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:15.080 do anything? 205 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:15.480 Uh? 206 00:09:15.759 --> 00:09:17.840 I mean in this market, you could make an argument 207 00:09:17.879 --> 00:09:20.360 of it because you've seen so many guys be successful 208 00:09:20.360 --> 00:09:24.279 both at you know, byu and Utah. But in order 209 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:26.600 to keep up with the Joneses, I think eventually you're 210 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:30.039 just gonna have to maximize your resources in NIL and 211 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:32.440 just focus on that. And I know that's a total bummer, 212 00:09:32.440 --> 00:09:35.399 and I know it's a defeatist attitude, but if you 213 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:37.960 are left in the dust, I don't see you crawling 214 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:41.320 your way out of the dust. And the idea of 215 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:44.000 walk ons the you know, the Rudy story. You know, 216 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:46.679 it's what everybody fell in love with when it came 217 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:49.919 to like the the undersized underdog and football making a 218 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:53.919 name for himself. But unfortunately, I think we're in an 219 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:56.519 era of sports where it's like if you have if 220 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:59.919 you can't help the team immediately, you kind of are forgott. 221 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:04.440 I wonder so the ACC Florida Stanton Clemson, they ended 222 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:08.120 the litigation on Tuesday and they've agreed to a settlement. 223 00:10:08.200 --> 00:10:11.440 The change of the league's revenue distribution model significantly reduces 224 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:13.720 exit penalties, which ultimately is where this is going for 225 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:16.600 members wanting to leave the conference before twenty thirty six. 226 00:10:17.399 --> 00:10:19.679 But Florida Stateton Clemson are now going to be receiving 227 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:21.759 a much larger piece of the pie. Do you think 228 00:10:21.799 --> 00:10:23.399 the Big Twelve looks at this at all, and if 229 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:25.440 they do look at it, who are the schools that 230 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:27.240 actually will receive a bigger chunk? 231 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:30.799 I mean, I think it's personally it makes sense. 232 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:34.399 I don't know how fair it is, but if you 233 00:10:34.440 --> 00:10:37.000 are the Big twelve, it might make sense to deploy 234 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:40.559 something like this. But you can deploy it with a 235 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:43.600 outline saying that, like it could be from a year 236 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:45.440 to year basis, like a what have you done for 237 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:48.360 me lately? You can measure the success of you know, 238 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:52.240 the money generating sports, you know, football and basketball teams, 239 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:54.159 and then you could even go down the line. I mean, 240 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:57.440 there's that cup or something that Stanford or Cal always 241 00:10:57.480 --> 00:11:00.600 win from having the most success varsity sports. You could 242 00:11:00.799 --> 00:11:03.559 you could employ that kind of model to say, like 243 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:06.480 who's been the most successful And obviously you're gonna lean 244 00:11:06.519 --> 00:11:09.200 it and teer it with the money making sports at 245 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:13.480 the top. But the Big twelve is so wonky. So 246 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:16.879 it's like who stands out right now? I mean I 247 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:19.360 don't think there's anybody. I mean, PYU would probably be 248 00:11:19.879 --> 00:11:21.799 one of the stands out. If you standouts, if you 249 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:26.639 talk about like who's currently the most successful program? 250 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:30.679 Yeah, it does feel like everybody is just maximizing their 251 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:34.759 own brand right in their own kind of piece of 252 00:11:34.799 --> 00:11:37.440 real estate. And if you look at essentially what the 253 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:41.440 numbers say concerning the Big Twelve, it's Colorado who could 254 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:45.320 just say, look, we're tripling you every week three times 255 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:49.000 the amount of eyes are on us, then it is 256 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:51.840 on you. And that's everybody, right, That includes Utah, that 257 00:11:51.879 --> 00:11:56.759 includes BYU, that includes Kansas State or Oklahoma State. It 258 00:11:56.960 --> 00:11:59.759 probably if there's anybody that has an ace in there, 259 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:02.519 and it's probably Dion right just because of the eyes 260 00:12:02.600 --> 00:12:02.919 for sure. 261 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:05.440 And I wonder if I think people will still watch 262 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:07.799 Colorado this year, but I wonder if there's going to 263 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:10.159 be a drop off without Travis Hunter. Yeah, without Shad 264 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:12.639 or Sanders, especially Travis. I think people were tuning in 265 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:15.840 to see what this kid could do. And who knows, 266 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:18.480 maybe Colorado's going to be better all around football team 267 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:21.039 this year, but there is a world in which Colorado 268 00:12:21.080 --> 00:12:23.240 could be better on the field and maybe get less 269 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:26.120 eyeballs because they don't have as much top tier star talent. 270 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:28.960 We did the exercise as far as the schools that 271 00:12:29.120 --> 00:12:31.159 probably have a little bit of leverage, and I did 272 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:34.320 say at the time, I still think Utah's in that category. 273 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:37.159 It just comes on the heels of a bad season. 274 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:41.360 And we are in a growing media market. We've jumped 275 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:43.679 in the Nielsen ratings, you know, over the past three 276 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:45.720 or four years into the top twenty seven to twenty 277 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:49.360 eight I think, and with hockey here and as the 278 00:12:49.600 --> 00:12:51.639 you know, the market kind of continues to grow if 279 00:12:51.639 --> 00:12:55.000 we can get if the Millers pull off baseball. I've 280 00:12:55.200 --> 00:12:58.200 seen some people pontificating on the possibility of us being 281 00:12:58.200 --> 00:12:59.720 like a top fifteen or sixteen market. 282 00:12:59.799 --> 00:13:00.720 Only time will tell. 283 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:04.399 But is Utah a school like they don't have the 284 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:07.360 eyes Colorado has. Colorado doesn't have the recent run of 285 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:09.960 success with Pac twelve championships and Rose Bowls. 286 00:13:10.279 --> 00:13:10.960 And yes, I'm. 287 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:12.759 Asking you off the heels of a season where it 288 00:13:12.759 --> 00:13:15.519 didn't look great. But does Utah have a case to 289 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:17.399 be made if the Big twelve moves into this model, 290 00:13:17.399 --> 00:13:20.240 could Utah be one of the top shelf teams to 291 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:21.200 ask for a bigger piece? 292 00:13:21.240 --> 00:13:24.559 They have to have a tremendous amount of success at 293 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:28.919 the money making sports which they have. Women's basketball is 294 00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:33.320 you know, impressive, I mean, gymnastics, is ski teams I mean, 295 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:36.039 the Red Rocks make a lot of money at this 296 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:38.039 school compared to some of the other schools in the 297 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:41.679 country and in the conference. But you I just don't 298 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:43.399 think you're ever going to be able to compete with 299 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:45.679 Dion As long as he's in the conference. I just 300 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:48.919 think he is the great equalizer. And no matter who's 301 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:51.080 on that team, I think you will get eyeballs, you 302 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:54.159 will get people wanting to be to pay attention to 303 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:56.879 what's going on there. So I do think if Utah 304 00:13:56.960 --> 00:13:58.879 wants to be one of those teams, they need to 305 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:00.440 get back to where they were at the tail into 306 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:01.240 their Pack twelve era. 307 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:06.600 The BYU topic here is always fascinating because obviously Provo 308 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:08.799 is not a media market that moves the needle at all, 309 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:12.519 but BYU is a brand where everywhere they go they 310 00:14:12.879 --> 00:14:16.919 attract home fans basketball and football. In ames, Iowa last night, 311 00:14:17.480 --> 00:14:20.159 Kevin Young opened up BYU shoot around prior to the 312 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:22.159 game to any BYU fan that wanted to come meet 313 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:24.759 the players, and from what I saw on television, it 314 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:27.159 looked like there were hundreds of people there to meet 315 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:31.039 BYU players, So not just football basketball. BYU I think 316 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:33.799 was fourth in the Big twelve in ises per game. 317 00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:37.759 But the BYU brand is worldwide and it is undeniable. 318 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:38.039 Right. 319 00:14:38.039 --> 00:14:40.360 It's not Notre Dame, even though you know some people 320 00:14:40.440 --> 00:14:43.320 want to compare the two. But is BYU just as 321 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:48.360 a brand enough of a negotiating card for whoever's their 322 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:50.720 ad to come to the table in this hypothetical to 323 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:52.759 say we deserve to be among the top shelf teams 324 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:53.080 as well? 325 00:14:53.080 --> 00:14:55.879 Well, yeah, because if you look at what happened even 326 00:14:55.879 --> 00:14:58.639 after they went independent, ESPN was like, we're going to 327 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:02.559 partner with these guys, man, because we know that people 328 00:15:02.600 --> 00:15:04.759 are going to watch these games, even if they're at 329 00:15:04.840 --> 00:15:09.799 eight forty five pm local on a Saturday night. BYU 330 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:12.759 is one of the most unique fan bases in schools 331 00:15:12.759 --> 00:15:16.919 in the country for that reason. And if BYU's good 332 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:19.120 and if they can sustain this, I think they're absolutely 333 00:15:19.159 --> 00:15:19.519 in the mix. 334 00:15:19.639 --> 00:15:20.399 Let me ask you this. 335 00:15:21.080 --> 00:15:23.919 If you're Brett your Mark and you're looking at the schools, 336 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:25.879 the schools come to you and say we want the 337 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:28.120 ACC model. We want our bigger brands to get a 338 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:31.519 bigger piece of the pie, because that's the way capitalism works. 339 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:36.320 Shout out Elon, I'm going out of town. 340 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:41.039 Today, Man, I feel like misbehaving. Arizona or Arizona State. 341 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:43.559 Who do you think is right? Like, that's kind of 342 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:45.799 an odd one. Arizona State just want the conference. Arizona 343 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:47.200 basketball is a massive brand. 344 00:15:47.360 --> 00:15:49.440 Football will always be king. So you think Arizona State 345 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:52.480 right now? Yeah? Okay, yeah, I don't. I mean, is 346 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:56.200 Arizona the best team in the Big twelve right now? Basketball? 347 00:15:56.519 --> 00:15:57.399 It's Houston? So yeah. 348 00:15:57.399 --> 00:15:59.200 I mean, like I think Arizona would have to be 349 00:15:59.360 --> 00:16:04.799 like a Duke or North Carolina level program again, especially 350 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:06.480 in this conference, in order for them to be able 351 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:07.200 to swing their weight. 352 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:10.440 Houston's kind of an interesting one only because of the 353 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:14.759 market size. Dallas is like the number six market. I 354 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:15.759 don't know where Houston is. 355 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:18.759 Football is a non starter there. I mean, maybe Willie 356 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:19.679 Fritz turns it around. 357 00:16:19.679 --> 00:16:23.279 But like so so yes football as of now, But 358 00:16:23.559 --> 00:16:26.000 if if, if coach Fritz can get them into the 359 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:28.799 top five or six their basketball team. I know you 360 00:16:28.799 --> 00:16:32.440 don't watch a ton of college basketball. Oh, it's like unfair. 361 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:35.240 When Utah went and played them earlier this year, they 362 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:37.360 the Youuthes couldn't even get a shot off. At one point, 363 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:39.480 I think Uta had three made field goals and eight 364 00:16:39.480 --> 00:16:43.879 turnovers ox and one triangle and two at that four passes, 365 00:16:44.159 --> 00:16:46.919 Geene Hackman, Rest in Peace. Have you ever seen Hoosiers? 366 00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:50.120 Oh yeah, you don't like it? Oh wait wait hot, 367 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:51.519 wait wait wait wait wait wait. 368 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:54.120 I remember I was at dinner with you and John 369 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:57.320 Paul and you both said Hoosiers and Field of Dreams overrated, 370 00:16:57.559 --> 00:16:58.440 and you broke my heart. 371 00:16:58.559 --> 00:17:02.759 Best best basketball movie ever? I know? Are you ready? 372 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:07.480 What fast break? Blue Chips? Blue Chips is an excellent movie. 373 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:08.640 It is. I will allow that. 374 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:12.720 I rewatched it recently, and it is insane the amount 375 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:17.680 of press, prescienceness or whatever, how prescient that movie was 376 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:20.319 considering where we are now off the charts. 377 00:17:20.559 --> 00:17:23.279 Trey would be proud of you from using prescients because 378 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:26.279 he saw I am convinced that Trey has a word 379 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:28.240 of the day pop up on some app and then 380 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:30.319 he just tries to use it in converse. He loved 381 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:34.000 Pressian is one of Trey's favorite favorite words. So yes, 382 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:37.960 rest in peace, Gene Hackman. Hoosiers is a good movie, dude, 383 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:39.359 It's fine, it's fine. 384 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:43.680 It It plays to a very specific audience of people. 385 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:46.079 Let's just say that whites, I didn't say it. 386 00:17:46.119 --> 00:17:48.279 Well, you know, hey, it's been it's been a pretty 387 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:50.480 good year for the whites on the sports side of 388 00:17:50.440 --> 00:17:51.359 the shooters. 389 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:52.680 That's who it plays to. 390 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:55.839 Mainly whites shooter shoot shooters who don't really donk or 391 00:17:55.839 --> 00:17:59.519 do much. Four passes before you shoot. H Anyway, best Reporter, 392 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:01.240 Best basketball movie of all time? 393 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:03.640 What do you got? I can tell you what it's not. 394 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:04.599 It's not Coach Carter. 395 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:05.599 What's the ray Allen one? 396 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:09.759 Oh? He game is very good, very good. 397 00:18:09.799 --> 00:18:11.279 I don't know that it's the best, but it's my favorite. 398 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:14.559 He got games probably one B for me, but rewatching 399 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:17.480 Blue Chips. Nick Nolty, the kids don't know man. Once 400 00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:19.400 upon a time Nick would bring the heat, and he 401 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:22.279