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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of Your Wrong

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with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of the Federalist, and

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David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. If you'd

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at the Federalist dot com.

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Speaker 2: We love to hear from you, Molly.

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Speaker 1: I think we should start today. And this is something

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you brought up to me offline, was that we hate

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using the term Russia collusion hoax. Been antiquated already, I

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would say, but there really hasn't been. And I wrote

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a comment about this recently, and I was kind of

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grappling to find some something else to call it.

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Speaker 2: I think I have an idea. What do you say

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to Obamagate?

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Speaker 3: That's so funny. While you were saying it, I was like,

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what about Obama Gate? I mean, I've got my I

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general opposition to Gates. Yeah, I think that's speaking of overused.

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I really hate the word hoax, even though I think

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I might have been one of the people coining that

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term years ago, because I needed people to understand that

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it was a hoax and a lie that Donald Trump

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had cluded with Russia to steal the twenty sixteen election,

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but now it just seems insignificant to the task of

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dealing with the reality of what happened, which is I think,

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in many ways even worse than a lot of us suspected,

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just so many high level people knowingly lying and conspiring

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to destroy a duly elected government.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's there is a there is a Watergate

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era phrase.

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Speaker 1: I believe it was a water Gate eraphrase for what

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this was that I can't say on the podcast because

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it has the F word in it, and it begins

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with rat and that's really what it is. I mean,

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that's the I would say, the technical term. And this

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was the greatest rat et cetera project, I think in

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the history of certainly of American political history.

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Speaker 3: Well, and unlike so many other things we've gone through,

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it's still going on and basically nobody has been held accountable,

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although we've had recent news in the opposite direction there.

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So well, we've learned a little bit more about just

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why it was never designed for anyone to be held

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accountable Prior to this point. Well, okay, so we've already

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talked about how a couple of weeks ago we learned

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that Obama and his chiefs conspired to hide the real

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intelligence about Russia, which is that, of course, yeah, they

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did what they always do with elections, but not on

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behalf of anyone in particular, and it didn't have any effect.

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They hid that, and then they manufactured intelligence, immediately leaking

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a lies to the media claiming that they had explosive

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and conclusive evidence of the opposite, that Russia had interfered

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in dramatic fashion, and that they had done it to

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help Donald Trump. It was all lies. They knew it

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was lies, and they then cooked up this intelligence community

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assessment to substantiate these claims. They did so by leaving

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out all the evidence that was to the contrary and

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then overstating, if not just completely lying about whatever evidence

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they had to support this claim. And then they included,

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of course the Steele dossier, which was another set of

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completely made up stuff, and then they briefed the president

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and the President elect immediately told Jake Tapper at CNN

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about it so he and his buddies could get the

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Russi occlusion hooks going, and then proceeded to keep doing

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this type of operation like years, and we've had document

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releases that show that people knew what was going On

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at the time and did nothing to stop it, or

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you know, the people who committed this scam did nothing.

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Obviously they did the opposite. So since we've spoken last,

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hold On, we had the previous to the time we

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spoke last, we had the House Permanent Select Committee on

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Intelligence just destroying the ICA, how it was made, what

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was included. I mean, it just completely obliterated it. And

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that document had been kept hidden by the CIA for

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many years so that nobody could see it. It's to me,

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the most explosive document of the entire trench, other than

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that issue of finding out that Obama and his team

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suppressed the real intelligence. And then in the last week

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we had the release of an and annex to the

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Durham Report, which included all sorts of stuff about how

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Russia knew that Hillary was cooking up this plan to

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go after Trump on false claims of collusion with Russia,

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and that the FBI knew that Russia knew, and that

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rather than investigating her or alerting Trump or being public

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about it, they just went along with Hillary slash Russia's

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plan and opened up an investigation into Trump.

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Speaker 1: And we've known for a long time that the Steele

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dossier probably actually included Russian disinformation within it also, right,

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So if you really look at this, it's like a

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plot by Russia and Hillary.

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Speaker 2: It's undermind.

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Speaker 3: I think it sort of overstates it. Yes, Russia knew

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by the end of July that Hillary was looking for

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fake news on Trump, and so it was very easy

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for them to insert it. But that kind of overstates

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the quality of the Steele dossier to say that it

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was like effect did this way. Really the Stiele Dosie

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was just this one dude who lives in Virginia talking

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to friends, some of whom are Russian and not and

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being like, what could you make up about Trump that

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I could put in here for money? You know, like

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it's technically, I guess Russian disinformation. If you say a

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Russian lying about something is disinformation because he was Russian.

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And then we also learned that a grand jury has

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been put together and is hearing things related to this case,

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and that a US attorney, actually Sean Davis broke this

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news at the Federalist yesterday. A US attorney has already

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been collecting documents related to these crimes, and so that

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shows also it's not just you know, we heard Oh,

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they're going to open up a criminal investigation. Well, now

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we know it's it's going and grand jury's in place,

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and we don't know where the grand jury is, that

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the US attorney is on the move, and we don't

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know who the US attorney is.

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Speaker 1: The reaction to this made me chuckle seeing Rachel Maddow

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and others, and obviously I only see highlights of this

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on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't sit down and watch those.

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Speaker 1: Shows, but watching them just incredulous about how dare you know?

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How fascism is creeping on us because people are looking

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into maybe even arresting officials and their political opponents, like

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the about faces they do. The hypocrisy is just mind boggling.

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It's it's not even worth writing anymore, or really you're

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talking that much about because they just do it and

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don't care. But they try to arrest the Republican nominee

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for the presidency and former president and with.

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Speaker 2: A bunch of cooked up law. Fair. I don't think

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this is cooked up.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what happens, and you know, there has to

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be evidence for this, but no one's above the law. Molley,

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you know that we've been told that for a long time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, the raid of Mara a Lago turns out

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that may not have been such a great idea for Democrats.

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And yes, they were trying to imprison Donald Trump for

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the rest of his life, to bankrupt him, to destroy

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his family. They did charges against him for things that

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weren't real. And then to say, well, when we lied

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and knowingly lied and falsely claimed that you were an

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agent of Russia, something that we ourselves said was treasonis

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which for which the crime is death, you know, and

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we risked global relations with the entire rest of the world.

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actual We're talking actual crimes here that are being investigated,

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not the made up stuff. And then also the raid

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of Mara Lago. I think there's a lot pointing to

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this having been done precisely because they thought Trump had

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a copy of the Hipsie Report that showed how made

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up the ICA was, and they wanted such control over

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that document and other documents showing this, showing what happened here,

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that they were willing to raid the former president's house

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like that totally backfired. But I think that's what was

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going on. And you've heard Devin Nunez and Cash Pattel

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and a few other people intimate that. But they were

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willing to do these horrific acts against the former president

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in order to protect everyone that was involved in what

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they did against the former president.

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Speaker 1: Is it right to say or is it plausible that?

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And it seems so to me that the whole Russia

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thing was basically invented. I think it worked out far

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better than they ever thought it would, probably, but it

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was essentially concocted to deflect attention away from Hillary's actual

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criminality in that summer where Colemy let her go, and

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now we know there was essentially no real investigator.

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Speaker 2: I mean we knew it then.

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Speaker 1: I was writing about how they had just handed out

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all these immunities to her staffers retroactively, like it was

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just obviously.

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Speaker 2: She was let to slide.

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Speaker 1: So they invented this thing to deflect attention from her

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criminality or try to even it out, and it just

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blew up into this thing that was better than they

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had ever hoped.

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Speaker 2: Is that fair to say?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's fair. And then so the entire

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thing was invented as a way to cover up for

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what Hillary had done then and that's that explains the

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campaign portion of this, which in many ways to me

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is the least bad portion of it I know. Then,

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to begin spying on the Trump campaign by going after affiliates,

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getting Phiza warrants, you know, that kind of thing, and

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then once he was elected, I think they continued it,

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partly just out of partisan animosity towards someone who had

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embarrassed them, and partly to cover up the crimes they

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had already committed. So like Brennan had already lied to

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the Gang of Eight and falsely claimed that he had

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secret super intelligence that Trump had that Russia was messing

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around with our elections to help Trump, and that was

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a lie. That's just not true. He did not have

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that evidence. But he'd already told powerful people that, and

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the FBI had already started spying on the Trump campaign,

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and the FBI had already botched, like, you know, they

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knew Hillary was doing this plot, and rather than investigate her,

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they investigated the victim. Like they were all trying to

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cover up what they had done and what they had

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leaked to the media. And so it just became this

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thing and to this day, they need to cover it up.

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spy agencies and the Democrats, you've got the media that

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none of this would have been possible for even a

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millisecond without a completely complicit media. And so they're also

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continuing it by saying, oh, there's nothing here, or this

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is crazy that there might be an investigation. So they're

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all still trying to protect themselves by what they're doing

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to this moment. Although now now you've got whistleblowers who

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are feeling safe enough to come forward.

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Speaker 1: It's looking back, it just seems to me that they

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were probably even surprised at how successful they were with journalists.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: The whole echo chamber that Ben Rose was talking about

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was a real thing, and they worked with the Iran

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deal stuff, and it worked even better with the Trump stuff.

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That mugshot that they wanted so bad of Donald Trump

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to win that election backfired and in a massive way

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for them. We'll see what happens down the road.

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Speaker 3: Now, there's just another thing, can we talk about it

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before we do that, which is I've noticed since I'm

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doing TV on this that the talking point that Democrats

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and their media handmaidens cling to is that you don't

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need to pay attention to all of this explosive new

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information about the Obama gait because Marco Rubio agrees with them.

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And the reason why they say this is because during

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the Russia, the horrible time of claiming Trump colluded with Russia,

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there were only two really oversight committees that could do

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anything about it. You had the president being destroyed by

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this lie. You had an FBI completely overtaken by left wingers,

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you had spy agencies completely dominated by left wingers. You

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had a Republican Party that was kind of okay with

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all the drama happening to Trump, can't really affect them,

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And you had this. In the midst of this, you

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had Devin Nunez and the House Permanent Select Committee on

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Intelligence just pushing back against it all under unbelievable circumstances

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including I don't know if you remember this, they sidelined

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Devin Nunez for him telling the truth about this, so

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that he couldn't actually run the committee.

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Speaker 1: That's the moment, that's the moment I became very suspicious

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of everything.

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Speaker 2: I went back.

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Speaker 1: I just remember saying to myself, like, well, let's go

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back for a second. Let's be fair to some Republicans, right,

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this is a different time. The idea that you have

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intelligence agencies making something up essentially about a presidential candidate

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and calling him a seditious traitor, You're like they in

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your head, You're like, they wouldn't just make that up,

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you you're nervous to say, oh, that's nuts, that's you

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don't know.

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Speaker 2: But Nunez had access to things.

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Speaker 1: That public didn't write, and he wasn't really allowed to

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share those things. Right, someone's leaking little snippets that make

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Trump look bad and he can't do the same whatever,

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special room to read stuff. I think it was always yeah,

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Speaker 2: That kind of.

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Speaker 1: Diffuses all the theories right away. You read it now

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and it's all correct, basically correct, right, And I remember

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I went back I read the column, like can we

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just see this? Can we just talk about this? Like

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they wouldn't even let you ponder what he was saying,

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like to even accept it at all. They smeared that guy,

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if Mark or Rubio had different opinions, it might be because

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he didn't have access to all this stuff or he

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was just being careful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but to just explain it, you had a Senate

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Select Committee on Intelligence that was completely unlike the House

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Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. How's Permanent Select Committee on

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Intelligence just starts being like, this isn't true and we

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need answers. Senate Select Committee kind of waits a while

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to start, and then they're like, we're going to totally

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accept this syop from Hillary Clinton Democrats in the media

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that Russia colluded to help Trump, and we're going to

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investigate it. Okay, we're going to investigate it, and we're

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going to do it in a bipartisan fashion. So I

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forget who the first chair of the committee was. It

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must that be Burr, really bad Republican was the chair

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of the committee during the basically during this period, and

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they put out five volumes of just here's how we

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agree with Hillary. You know, it's just like massive, massive

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document and the media are like, oh, thank you God,

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thank you god, thank you God, like, we have needed

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a single Republican to support us on this, because you

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would never have Republicans be like Devin Nunas, but they

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would be like, I don't know about this, you know.

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comes out many years later, and it's like all about how, actually,

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when Russia bought ten thousand dollars of Facebook ads, it

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was the worst attack on our country that you've ever seen.

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at the New York Times winning Pulitzers for this, it's

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also the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. And like the

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backstory there is that they called it bipartisan and it

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was technically Republican run, but the Republicans on that committee

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were worthless, basically, and the Democrats on that committee knew

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what a prize it would be if they could get

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this report out, and so they just put all in

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on it, and they kind of worded it in a

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mealy mounted enough fashion that they could convince stupid Republicans

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that it wasn't that big of a deal. And then

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the moment it came out, they blared it to the

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New York Times like this is the most explosive report ever,

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and Volume five of the report is done while Rubio

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is technically the chair that committee, even if the work

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maybe had been done prior to him becoming chair, and

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that volume says something that is what Brennan had said,

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the intelligence that Brennan had, that that was just not true.

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does this report. Now we later learned the intelligence for

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Brennan's claim, and it's what we went through previously. First off,

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there's a fragment of a sentence saying that ahead of

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the Republican convention, he's counting on Trump winning, and that's

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used to say that he's not counting on Trump winning

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the nominating convention, but that he's going to the way

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that Brennan interprets this is not what it says. He

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interprets it as I'm going to make sure Trump wins

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by interfering in the election in the general election. Okay,

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And there's the thing where they say Russians always love Republicans,

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which is silly. And then there's the unsigned email with

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like an idea that maybe the Russian should put a

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Russian on the Trump campaign, which went to nobody important

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and was an outlandish idea. So that's like the entire

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basis of the Brennan claim. But the Senate report says

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the same thing, and so people are saying, well, Marco

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Rubio said this, and he's Secretary of State, and Sean

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briefing this week and didn't get like a full answer,

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be like, was there any evidence to support what the

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Senate Select Committee on Intelligence said? Was it just the

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same stuff that Brennan used? Did they even have access

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to that or did they like interview people who told

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them trust us, you know what I mean? Like, were

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they getting the same to your point, were they getting

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the same bad intelligence and how having it presented in

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a carefully curated way, or did they have some new intelligence?

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think everybody would be interested in hearing that. And if

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instead they were manipulated by the CIA or didn't really

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do a good job on this, I think they should

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say that too.

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Speaker 4: Ronald Reagan was right, and it's worse than we thought.

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The Watch Dot on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski

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every day Chris helps unpack the connection between politics and

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the economy and how it affects your wallet. If I'm

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from the government and I'm here to help, isn't bad enough.

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The government spends one hundred and eighty one billion dollars

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per year on direct cash to private businesses. Did you

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see a check in the mail. Whether it's happening in

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DC or down on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially.

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Speaker 2: Be informed.

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Speaker 4: Check out the Watch Dot on Wall Street podcast with

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Chris Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Just take a quick step back. The Facebook ads, which

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were so a big topic. And you know, obviously you

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remember there were like posedly this shop in Britain that

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was like, I forgot what's called creating all these ads?

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Well the ads were just not even pro Trump. They

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were usually just I don't even know what they were.

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They were just really weak do you love America type ads?

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But people forget that before that election. They may forget

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before that election, Like you mentioned, Republicans were far tougher

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on Russia than Democrats. It was Biden who actually went

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to Russia to lead the reset. It was Hillary, and

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obviously Obama made fun of Romney and so on. And now, look,

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I mean, you may disagree with what Trump's doing, but

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does he look like someone who's folding to Putin? I mean,

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the whole entire thing, the history is just proving that

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the entire central charge that Trump was some kind of

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Putin Lackey is nonsensical. So anyway, I saw today or

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yesterday that Joe Scarborough of Mourning Joe said that this

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is a really bad topic for Republicans to be worried about.

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You know, it's going to undermine their momentum, and that

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politically it's a dead end. The same guy who spent

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years saying that Donald Trump had been blackmailed by Putin

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wants you to drop the topic. What do you make

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about the politics of this? Do you think that Republicans

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care now? Are they over it?

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Speaker 2: Is it work?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's worth it for the historical

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record at the very least, and hopefully Brennan goes to jail.

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But do you think it's something that matters in an election,

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for instance, like in the midterms.

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Speaker 3: So I value what happens in elections less than justice.

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So for the sake of justice, absolutely, you have to

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have true accountability. There's a process for that, and we

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haven't really actually gone through that, despite the fact that

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there have been two massive investigations into this. First one

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was from Michael Horwitz, an Obama crony who's a very

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bad inspector general and is very good. All inspector generals

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are good at protecting agencies. Michael Horowitz is like the

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master of the craft. And when he was dealing with

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the horror of what the FBI did in this story,

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he wrote a four hundred page report utterly eviscerating the

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Steele dossier and its use and like all sorts of things.

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But he wrote it in like a really bland fashion,

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and he was very clear like everything about this was wrong,

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but didn't really recommend any or many criminal I think

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he recommended only that Kevin Kleinsmith, the guy who actually

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lied in the FISA warrant for action. The action that

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ended up being taken was that he had his law

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license suspended for a year or something like very minor,

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but so like if it had been a real inspector

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general doing real stuff, everybody involved would have been recommended

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at that time when it mattered. And then you have

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the Durham investigation, which is done at the height of

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co COVID, is done very slowly, is easily led astray.

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Like I've been told that he really did think at

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the beginning that Brennan and Clapper were places he should

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be investigating, and then he was kind of like moved

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off of that because he couldn't find anything. Well, I'm

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sorry the House Permanent Seleckt com being on intelligence that

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explosive report, they found everything you needed to show the conspiracy.

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And so I don't know if he was like too

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dim or too weak or what. I don't know. I mean,

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it wasn't the worst because that report also came out

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saying everyone involved here behave poorly, and of course has

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that famous line about how new rules are not going

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to help the FBI and Department of Justice, like we

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need better quality people who would never even think of

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doing these kinds of things. But again very limited. He

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prosecutes a couple of people for their rule, has to

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do it in DC and Northern Virginia, So you know

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in the in the DC case, he has this guy,

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Michael Sussman just lying to the FBI. He has him

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dead to rights. Michael Sussman on behalf of the Clinton

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campaign goes to the FBI and says I have knowledge

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of this like collusion with Trump and Russia, and then

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tells the FBI I am not doing this on behalf

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of the campaign and bills the campaign for his visit.

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Right dead to rights. And the jury fore woman is like, well,

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we just don't really think lying to the FBI is

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a big deal. The only prosecutions you ever got in

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Russia Gate were lying to the FBI, right, isn't that

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the Flynns.

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Speaker 2: Whole Flynn thing was about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which, by the way, he didn't but still.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a setup.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, and so and then you have the the

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guy who created the Steele dossier getting away with it

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in Northern Virginia.

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Speaker 1: But I believe Harwood said that they had fabricated evidence

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for the FAISA warrants that they were.

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Speaker 3: That was the Kevin Kleins Klinsmith, whatever his name is.

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So the first part of the process, now for like

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a US attorney working with a grand jury, is really

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to collect all the evidence that you can, and we

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know a lot of what's out there. We need to

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find more supporting details and we and Sean Davis wrote

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this piece at the Federalists already that they're doing that.

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You know, they're following up with the criminal referrals that

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they've gotten and asking for more information. Once you have everything,

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you have a real clear picture of how it happened,

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then you think about your prosecutorial strategy, and we are

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nowhere near that right now. So I think it's important

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when you commit this level of crime against the country,

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something that destroyed American politics and has caused very major

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international stuff, like we're on the brink of bad things

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happening with Russia that are related to the Clinton Obama

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People's willingness to lie about Russia. Right people act like

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it's no big deal what they did. It affected all

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sorts of disputes, you know, whether it's Ukraine or Russia,

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and you have to hold people accountable for it. So

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I am retaining hope. I mean, I'm not sure what

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I think will happen, but we're not at the part

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where we can dispary it or hope. Really like, we

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just have to be collecting the information and having people

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who are smart enough to know what's going on. And

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I do think this is a different environment than Durham

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at the end of the Trump administration, when COVID was

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happening and everybody was wearied by all the shenanigans, Like

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are people are in a different place, and also inside

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the agencies, they're in a different place. Nobody is leaking.

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I mean, you might just this sorry to keep going

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on all this, but no, So we're here Sean Davis

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sneiber recollecting how during the first phase of this lie

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we would report something really explosive and then within hours

480
00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:59,759
some bad actor at the FBI or CIA would leak

481
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to their buddies at the New York Times something that

482
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,200
made it seem like what we had written was not

483
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that big of a deal. Think about that relative to

484
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what's been happening these last few weeks. Absolute like craziness

485
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,119
coming out about what they did to suppress real intelligence

486
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and invent fake intelligence. And you haven't had leaks from

487
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,839
the FBI like you used to or CIA. I think

488
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,279
a big part of that is that the FBI and

489
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,880
DJ like they cleaned house there. They got rid of

490
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,119
a lot of people, and I think that that meant

491
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that they got rid of some of the people who

492
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would be leaking. And also the people who are remaining,

493
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even if they were inclined to leak lies to the

494
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media to help continue this, they're terrified right now. And

495
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so it's just it's a different public environment that's very cool.

496
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And also I have personally talked to people who are

497
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in leadership at these organizations, saying, whistleblowers who had been

498
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treated so horribly while this was going on, you know,

499
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if they so much has raised their head and said,

500
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are we sure we want to make this lie? They

501
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,720
were told your career is over, We're going to destroy you.

502
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We know things you don't know. And so now that

503
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,160
the environment is different, you have many more people saying,

504
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,359
you know, when I said something about this, I was

505
00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:18,960
told there was secret intel, or I was told to

506
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,400
shut up, or I was moved off of this project.

507
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And so you also have a wealth of whistleblowers that

508
00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:26,079
even like Hipsei didn't have.

509
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: So in another investigation, the Clintons, both of them Hillary

510
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:40,240
and Bill, have been subpoenut to talk about Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein,

511
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the case which somewhat surprised me. I know that the

512
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guy had a weird painting of Bill Clinton in his house.

513
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I don't know if you've ever seen this where he's.

514
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Speaker 3: Painting of Bill Clinton wearing the blue dress of Monica lilinsy.

515
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Speaker 2: Yes, I want. I hope that they will show up.

516
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:03,319
I doubt it. But if this is in October, I

517
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believe maybe.

518
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Speaker 1: But if they do, I hope they talk about that

519
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,279
painting because I'm very interested in knowing more about it.

520
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Speaker 2: Why them, do you think? Do you have any theories

521
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:12,519
on that?

522
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Speaker 3: Why would they invite? Oh? I don't know. I didn't.

523
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I mean, I see, this is.

524
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Speaker 2: Why I need leaks. I need leaks. I want to know.

525
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Speaker 3: The reason why you would invite Bill Clinton to testify

526
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in the Epstein stuff is that Bill Clinton and Jeffrey

527
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,640
Epstein were extremely close friends for a very long period

528
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,680
of time, and they traveled together, and you know, he's

529
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,519
never really talked about it. The real reason why you

530
00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:48,960
would do it if you're the House Republicans, is that

531
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Democrats have been totally uninterested in the Jeffrey Epstein drama

532
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except insofar as it can be used to attack Republicans,

533
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:04,440
and you you can easily prove this because Jeffrey Epstein

534
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,720
and Bill Clinton were very very very close friends, very

535
00:31:08,319 --> 00:31:12,000
very tight. They traveled together, they hung out together, and

536
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they did so at a later date than Donald Trump.

537
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Speaker 2: Did you know.

538
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump famously was social with Epstein and then they

539
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,480
had a falling out over Epstein stealing his staff, I

540
00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:30,680
think from our lago. And also Trump says a long

541
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:33,440
time ago, like before anybody really knows what's going on,

542
00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:38,279
including like before he was ever prosecuted. Trump says something

543
00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:41,119
mean about him, like he he likes scrolls on the

544
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,039
younger side or something, you know, just kind of like

545
00:31:43,079 --> 00:31:47,359
distancing himself from him. But Clinton keeps that friendship going

546
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,079
much longer and later and much tighter and different than

547
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,920
just that they live in the same town, but like

548
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,759
they're actually making effort to be spending time together. And

549
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:03,279
if Democrats cared about this story for any reason other

550
00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:05,480
than a belief that they could use it to distract

551
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,880
from the Russia story, they would have not cheered Bill

552
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,400
Clinton when he spoke at their convention last summer. There

553
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,200
would have been stories about the Democrats inviting a friend

554
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,279
of Jeffrey Epstein's to speak at the convention. You know,

555
00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:23,279
he would have been booed off stage. He would have

556
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:25,640
not been allowed. It's just the easiest way you can

557
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,759
show they don't actually care about this story in any way.

558
00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:30,960
They don't actually care about the Epstein thing in any way.

559
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean, the people who tried to put

560
00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:38,319
Donald Trump into prison for the rest of his life

561
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:42,720
probably would have if they had their hands on the

562
00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:46,000
Epstein files, if there was anything in there to implicate

563
00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:48,920
that Donald Trump had acted in some sort of criminal

564
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,119
way or done something wrong, they would have leaked that

565
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,000
a million year, you know, they would have leaked that

566
00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:56,839
long long time. They would have leaked that during the whenever.

567
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And I'm anti Epstein conspiracy. I don't think there's going

568
00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:08,319
to be anything really there. I'm not saying there's nothing

569
00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:10,680
there that Bill clin didn't do anything wrong. I think

570
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that most of the conspiracies people entertain are kind of ridiculous,

571
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,960
and the investigation into this is largely a waste of time.

572
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Speaker 2: I think we know what he did. He was a horrible,

573
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:24,960
horrible human being.

574
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Speaker 1: So anyway, I mean, maybe they're doing this to kind

575
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:31,680
of counter what Democrats are up to as far as

576
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,799
Donald Trump is going. I mean, maybe it's more political

577
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than anything.

578
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think it's.

579
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,519
Speaker 3: Quite that simple, Like, obviously that's part of it. But

580
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,160
they are wasting time on this.

581
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Speaker 2: Sorry.

582
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:47,079
Speaker 3: There really are things that need to be understood about it,

583
00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:49,640
and it's a legitimate thing for Congress to do this,

584
00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:53,640
but they're wasting time on this. And wouldn't it be

585
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:59,279
amazing if James Comer was actually helping with finding people

586
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,720
accountable for what they did with the Russia lie. Wouldn't

587
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,119
that be just amazing? And instead all of his effort

588
00:34:06,279 --> 00:34:07,680
is on Epstein stuff.

589
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,039
Speaker 2: But why why do you say it's legitimate? Why is it?

590
00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: Why is the Epstein case more than many other cases

591
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:14,480
of similar.

592
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,599
Speaker 3: How the government prosecuted that case and did such like

593
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:20,679
a bad job of it over the years, I think

594
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is legitimate government in court.

595
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: And I don't think they did a bad job though,

596
00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:26,320
I mean everyone tells me that. But when I looked

597
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,159
into it, he was going to maybe get off. He

598
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:29,519
had a dream team of lawyers.

599
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 3: I actually think it's more like a local and state issue,

600
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,280
to be honest, with federal issue, Like it's weird that

601
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we get mad at the FED because usually that type

602
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:42,039
of crime is prosecuted at the local or state level.

603
00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:45,079
I think it is interesting that the first federal prosecution

604
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:48,920
I think is in part because that wasn't happening. It

605
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,679
can also be it can also be federal, and it

606
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:53,039
should have been. But I don't think anyone thinks there

607
00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:55,800
was a Really they did a really great job of

608
00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:01,400
like interviewing people and investigating it and finding finding out

609
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,199
for sure whether these girls were just trafficked to Jeffrey

610
00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:07,960
and Glane or also to other people as some of

611
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,599
them claimed, you know what I mean, like it could

612
00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:12,000
have been done better. And I think that's what I

613
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,440
don't have inquiry.

614
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,119
Speaker 1: I don't have expertise to know how, you know, if

615
00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:18,440
they did a great job, and that sense probably they didn't.

616
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,519
But the way that people often frame it as this like, oh,

617
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:24,519
they just gave what he wanted, it's just not true.

618
00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:26,400
He might have gone off. There was a good chance

619
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:27,679
he was going to get off, and they got him

620
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,119
as you know, they made up. They plead plead him

621
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:32,400
out in a way that he would at least be

622
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,679
registered as a sex offender spend some time at present.

623
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,880
It was Florida that led him not not really serving

624
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:38,440
the very.

625
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Speaker 3: Least you would concede that if you or I or

626
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:45,880
someone we knew had been involved in something like this,

627
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:49,480
we would not get that sweetheart deal.

628
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:51,639
Speaker 2: Likely not rich people get off.

629
00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, So that's at least a legitimate line of inquiry, right,

630
00:35:56,199 --> 00:35:59,760
and super rich people get super off weight that sounds because.

631
00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: The great lawyers and all the money they need. Absolutely,

632
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,639
I don't deny that that is a problem. My only

633
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,639
point is the bigger point is that people's expectations of

634
00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:11,760
what happened are so large that attains how they view

635
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,199
I think the prosecution because their expectation is that there

636
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,639
should have been like all these big names, you know,

637
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,280
trafficking in young women. We don't know that's true at all,

638
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,840
and we smear a lot of people who knew him

639
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,440
or were around him simply because of that.

640
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 3: Anyway, I don't think it's just this desire to embarrass

641
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:36,000
Democrats that led to these subpoenas. But are these yeah,

642
00:36:36,039 --> 00:36:42,760
these invitations to testify, But also constituents are legitimately calling

643
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,880
their offices expressing concern about this. So I think part

644
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,079
of the reason why Republicans are wasting their time on

645
00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:50,320
this is because they have constituents that are concerned about it.

646
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,119
I doubt it's that high of a percentage, But members

647
00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:56,760
of Congress aren't very good at determining what's important based

648
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,400
on phone calls and whatnot.

649
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, social media thing going.

650
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 3: The other big story is about what's happening in Texas.

651
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,800
The Texas legislature is trying to do a mid mid

652
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:16,519
decade redistricting and that will lead to them having many

653
00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:22,880
more Republican seats than Democrat likely, and so Democrats know

654
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,840
they're about to lose this vote, and so Democrat legislators

655
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,480
fled to the most jerrymandered state in the nation, Illinois,

656
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:33,199
or one of the most to plead their case that

657
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,400
jerrymandering is not good if it's done by Republicans, only

658
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,400
if it's done by Democrats. What do you think about that?

659
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,119
Speaker 1: I don't Okay, people need to wait till my second

660
00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:49,000
statement here before sending an email. I don't love this

661
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:52,400
kind of thing in general, because in the end we're

662
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,079
just going to turn the elections will just be these

663
00:37:55,679 --> 00:37:59,159
you know, states, turning Congress essentially into the Senate in

664
00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:04,679
a way. But Democrat complaints are hollow, completely hollow. They

665
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,039
are the most aggressive jurymander when you reach stories I

666
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:10,400
don't know, I'm sure you've seen this. You'll read political

667
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,599
stories during the year I have nothing to do with,

668
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:15,079
you know, or during the buying years when people are

669
00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:17,840
talking about democracy as being threatened, and they'll always throw

670
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,159
in Republican gerimander because if they don't do it, Texas

671
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:26,159
should do it, because Illinois did it, others have done it.

672
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So just generally speaking, the way things work with

673
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:37,719
election administration is that Democrats do something that's maybe frustrating

674
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,320
to a lot of people, but you know, legal, such

675
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,719
as gerrymandering, and they do it nationwide. They do it

676
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,559
so well that they literally can't do it anymore. There's

677
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,000
not a single additional seat to be gained through creative

678
00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:57,519
play with districts. And then once that's done, Republicans had,

679
00:38:57,639 --> 00:38:59,480
you know, maybe like a couple of years ago, started

680
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,480
doing some of that themselves, but they have a lot

681
00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:05,239
that they could do. They could squeeze a lot more

682
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,960
districts out of states they control, and so once they

683
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,920
start doing it because Democrats can't do anymore, they're like, well,

684
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,760
now we're opposed to it. Now that we've done everything,

685
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,760
we can do it reminds me a bit too of

686
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,519
what happened with mail out balloting. Do you remember? Okay, So,

687
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:28,239
for decades Democrats have had this problem where their voters

688
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,480
are very disinclined to vote, and so they put a

689
00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:34,400
lot into their operations for get out the vote on

690
00:39:34,519 --> 00:39:38,320
election day, they would have vans going around and incentivate,

691
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,920
and they would try to incent their voters into coming

692
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,679
and showing up to vote. And what they really needed

693
00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:46,639
and they pushed for for a long time, was mail

694
00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:49,960
out ballots, unsupervised mail out ballots, because then they could

695
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,559
do get out the vote for weeks, if not months, right,

696
00:39:53,559 --> 00:39:55,679
And so this is a big part of the twenty

697
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,760
twenty election. They massively expand the mail out balloting and

698
00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:03,920
they fund Democrat groups to kind of administer the process,

699
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,440
but only in the blue areas of swing states, or

700
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,400
they emphasize the blue areas of swing states. Well, then

701
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:13,400
everyone's so freaked out about how weird that twenty twenty

702
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,639
election was. That Republicans are like, what if we did

703
00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:19,559
ballot operations too? And Republicans are finding voters all over

704
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:23,519
the place who are like Democrat traditional Democrat voters, and

705
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:25,960
that they're not very inclined to vote, they're helping them

706
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,840
get their ballots in the box, and then all of

707
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,400
a sudden, Democrats are like, we don't need to do

708
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,400
so much of this. You know, you had New York

709
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,079
Times stories freaking out that Democrats ended up collecting ballots

710
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:39,800
for people who were voting Republican and stuff. Republicans are

711
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,280
always late to these games, but then when they start

712
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:47,480
playing them, then they get criticized. And so Republicans have

713
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:49,840
not done what they can do. There's a lot more

714
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,880
they can do. And I don't love gerrymandering period. Actually,

715
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,559
I mean I understand that it's something you can do.

716
00:40:58,199 --> 00:40:59,880
I don't like it. But if you're going to have

717
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,239
and we do, and we've had it for a very

718
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,079
long time, like hundreds of years, then Republicans should play

719
00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:10,239
that game too. And so the only way to fight

720
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,760
it is to is to do it, like it's absolutely

721
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,320
insane not to do it. And yes, you take a

722
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,719
state like Massachusetts that had four in ten voters voting

723
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,039
for Trump. Do you know how many members of Congress

724
00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:24,840
or Republican in Massachusetts?

725
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 2: Zero?

726
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 3: I guess zero. So yeah, Democrats are good at this,

727
00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:32,880
and there are actually I think probably about. I don't

728
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,119
know how many Republicans there are in Illinois, but probably

729
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:38,760
something like that too, with only what two members of Congress,

730
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,840
like they they excel. California has a reputation for being

731
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,320
only Democrat, but really they also have. In fact, they

732
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,639
have more Republicans in California than any other state in

733
00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:54,480
the country, and they there are very few members.

734
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: The percentage of Republicans in California, I believe, is larger

735
00:41:58,039 --> 00:42:01,280
than the percentage of Democrats and flow or maybe even

736
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,880
texts I forget exactly, but's that sort of thing. I'm

737
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:07,840
listen gerimandering. It's somewhat subjective. I mean, all of these

738
00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:11,719
districts are man made and they're not like organic borders

739
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,639
by a river or mountains or some other you know.

740
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,159
Speaker 2: So that's what it is.

741
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: But so in some sense I don't hate it because

742
00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:23,760
it diffuses democracy even more a bit. That's what these

743
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,079
people are doing. I mean, they can pretend it's something else,

744
00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:29,639
but when you gerrymander, as for instance, in New York.

745
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 2: I think they tried a couple of years ago. I

746
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:31,800
think maybe the courts.

747
00:42:31,639 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: Knocked it down, but they knocked out a Republican district

748
00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:39,920
all you're doing is diffusing democracy, making each state more

749
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:41,800
senate like, which is you know, in the end, is

750
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,119
fined by me. One of the complaints I see from

751
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,159
folks is that a few years ago, Democrats tried to

752
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,039
pass something I think it was HR one.

753
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:51,119
Speaker 2: Actually it was.

754
00:42:51,079 --> 00:42:55,119
Speaker 1: Like the Integritive Election Act, and within it there were

755
00:42:55,159 --> 00:43:00,239
some anti gerimandering in it, which I actually opposed because.

756
00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: The state issue not a federal issue in my view.

757
00:43:03,199 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: But they don't mention that that also compelled states to

758
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:11,079
bamfoot or ideas would let bureaucrats redraw all the districts,

759
00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:13,679
would allow felons to vote, et cetera. So it was

760
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,320
quite authoritarian bill. I'd rather have states germandering than have

761
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,559
the federal government tell them how to run their business,

762
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:23,360
because in the end that never really works out. So

763
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,400
you think Texas still get it done. I mean, these people,

764
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:26,480
this has happened before.

765
00:43:26,519 --> 00:43:27,199
Speaker 2: I swear.

766
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,159
Speaker 1: I remember people fleeing the state so they don't have

767
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:30,440
to vote on whatever they did.

768
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,199
Speaker 2: It was an abortion law there or something.

769
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 3: We did it in Texas in twenty twenty one. I

770
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,559
think it was the same issue, but I couldn't go.

771
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:43,199
But I did mention this too, like it's very threatening

772
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,880
to abandon your state rather than deal with the reality

773
00:43:48,039 --> 00:43:51,079
of what happened in democracy. You know that you didn't

774
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:55,960
have enough votes to stop this, but they took I

775
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,519
was told a private jet to Illinois and they're being

776
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,599
hold up there in nice accommodations. So I do think

777
00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:10,280
it's worth looking into who's paying for this attack on Texas.

778
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: I don't know it is, but just quickly, I mean,

779
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,320
and I saw some Democrat or some liberal person mentioned

780
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:20,519
I think it was Chuck Todd.

781
00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: Like when you're a.

782
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,519
Speaker 1: PR person and you're in the PR person says let's

783
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,800
leave here because of the redistricting fight and let's.

784
00:44:28,559 --> 00:44:32,039
Speaker 2: Go to Illinois. That is really dumb.

785
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: So these people obviously aren't aren't bright on that in

786
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:35,400
that way?

787
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 3: Yes, but you need a media to be honest, and

788
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,199
we don't have a media that are honest. I looked

789
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,880
at stories on Monday, like Politico had a story about

790
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,880
this awesome thing that Democrats were doing, and it did

791
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,920
not mention that Illinois is known as the capital of gerrymandering.

792
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,440
It just didn't mention it. And so that's how propagandists work.

793
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 2: You just don't tell people when Democrats do this.

794
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,159
Speaker 1: It's a major national When redistricting happens the other way,

795
00:45:02,159 --> 00:45:03,920
as it did in New York, not longer or elsewhere,

796
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,679
it's virtually unmentioned. Most people don't even know what's happening

797
00:45:06,679 --> 00:45:09,519
outside of their states or probably within their states. It's

798
00:45:09,559 --> 00:45:11,519
just amazing, And that's part of the bias. I think

799
00:45:11,519 --> 00:45:14,079
people need to understand. It's not just what you say,

800
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:17,239
it's what you cover how much intensity. Because every time

801
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,199
I'll mention, oh, you guys didn't talk about this in

802
00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:21,159
the media, someone in the media will send me like

803
00:45:21,199 --> 00:45:22,920
a link to a story that they did that was

804
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:23,880
probably we had a.

805
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 3: Slight mention that is in a piece that was headlined,

806
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,639
please don't read this on page forty eight B, so

807
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,159
you can't say we didn't cover it.

808
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,079
Speaker 2: Yes, So that's.

809
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: One of the main way is to create a perception

810
00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:40,800
about things that for instance, Republicans are more prone to

811
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,800
German during than I mean, there are in New York

812
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,639
where I grew up, they were districts like in Queens

813
00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:48,440
and Brooklyn that snake all around trying to avoid working

814
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,239
class areas where you know, or white working class areas

815
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,000
and things like that that still exist even though in

816
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:59,360
now everyone's you know, on the left there, okay, let's

817
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,400
talk about called sure enough of that, enough of the politics.

818
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,519
Speaker 2: Did you do anything this week? Cultural?

819
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 3: I since last week? Okay. I chaperoned helped chaperone a

820
00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:18,719
trip to Michigan for a Lutheran youth gathering that was

821
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,119
really fun. I was just the transportation chaperones. I just

822
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:26,440
worked while I was out in Michigan.

823
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: I say quickly.

824
00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: I basically any state I go to I love, except

825
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:36,199
like Ohio, I think, and Michigan completely underrated by people elsewhere.

826
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,519
Speaker 3: It's just beautiful up there, agree, And I was in

827
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:44,360
Grand Rapids, which is particular. Oh yeah, beautiful, so then

828
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:49,360
let's see for although like also drove across the stake

829
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,800
because we had to fly into Detroit and drive over

830
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,239
to Grand Rapids because of how expensive it was to

831
00:46:54,280 --> 00:47:00,119
fly into Grand Rapids. Anyway, I finished watching the he

832
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:07,320
We Harmon documentary and that did you see it?

833
00:47:08,199 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 2: Not yet? No, It's on my list.

834
00:47:10,039 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 3: Okay. It was interesting. So I am definitely like target

835
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,079
audience for Pee. We very much like him. His art

836
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,920
very weird, but I like it, and the movie definitely

837
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:27,039
made me think worse of him or the documentary.

838
00:47:26,599 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 2: Like because of his personal life or.

839
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what I mean by that is not just

840
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,920
his arrests for what he did in a public theater

841
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:43,400
or his private erotica collection. But he seems like a

842
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,119
really disturbed individual. And the documentary does not explain that

843
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,199
he's mean to his friends, he's controlling, he's mean to

844
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:56,239
Phil Hartman, you know, and that to me is very difficult.

845
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: If I may ask, if this is kind of a spoiler,

846
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,360
but did he have a traditional upbringing, like with like

847
00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:04,320
a good family or like well.

848
00:48:04,199 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 3: The documentary doesn't get into it. It just references one

849
00:48:08,599 --> 00:48:12,639
sister who led the effort to redefine marriage to include

850
00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:18,079
same sex couples and other groupings in Tennessee. Oh, and

851
00:48:18,159 --> 00:48:22,119
she's she's a lesbian. He's gay and has had these

852
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,079
issues with run ins with the law. They don't mention.

853
00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:28,599
I don't think that there's another brother, And they don't

854
00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:32,559
really totally mention other than like a throwaway line that

855
00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:35,239
his dad was one of the five founding pilots of

856
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:40,159
the Israeli Air Force. But like moves from Saratoga, I

857
00:48:40,159 --> 00:48:43,079
think it was New York down to Florida. The parents

858
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:45,800
are a big part of the story, but like, you

859
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:50,000
don't quite get what happened here to make Peewee who

860
00:48:50,039 --> 00:48:51,519
he is, or like the.

861
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,559
Speaker 1: Opposite of the Billy Joel one where his family and

862
00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:56,719
his issues with his dad were so central too. And

863
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,599
I mentioned that because it's the same seems like the

864
00:48:58,599 --> 00:48:59,800
same producers or whatever.

865
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, so and then he the Peewee documentary

866
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,880
also mentions that he's out he's living as a gay

867
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,039
man when he's very young, like in the I want

868
00:49:11,079 --> 00:49:15,280
to say, the sixties, and then that relationship falls apart

869
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,239
and he goes back in the closet until the documentary

870
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,239
comes out. I guess you weren't supposed to know he

871
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,599
was gay until the documentary comes out and he says

872
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,920
for the first time publicly that he's a gay man.

873
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,239
And so, I'm.

874
00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: Sorry he passed away recently. So, but he's in it

875
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:34,400
being interviewed and all that.

876
00:49:34,599 --> 00:49:37,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, he passes away during the creation of the documentary.

877
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,920
He dies during the creation. And he also becomes uncooperative

878
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,000
at some point, which you know, maybe had a was

879
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:48,679
challenging for them. But I think I mentioned this on

880
00:49:48,679 --> 00:49:51,159
the Billy Joel documentary, that he wasn't willing to take

881
00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:54,000
responsibility for his drinking problem, and that just kind of

882
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,760
disturbed me that he was still living in denial about

883
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,960
what an alcoholic he is. And there was an aspect

884
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:05,519
of that, not with addiction, but with his sexual lifestyle

885
00:50:05,679 --> 00:50:09,440
that I felt about Peewee. It was weird to not

886
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:14,519
I don't know, he's like always the victim of bad

887
00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:19,320
prosecutions and stuff, and there's just something it just made me.

888
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,599
It just left like, it left me feeling less favorable

889
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:24,159
toward him after.

890
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,159
Speaker 1: You're going to make fun of me on this one,

891
00:50:28,199 --> 00:50:31,280
but I don't really care. It's amazing to watch and

892
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,639
it's a lot of fun. And it's called International house Hunters.

893
00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:39,599
Years ago I had recommended a show where people moved

894
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:42,239
from England to France or something like that. They're moving

895
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,760
usually from the United States to some place in Europe

896
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,199
or Asia or whatever.

897
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,519
Speaker 2: You know, house Hunters. Are you able to watch that show? Yes,

898
00:50:49,639 --> 00:50:51,239
billion million seasons.

899
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,559
Speaker 1: This is the same thing, but international, and it's cool

900
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:56,559
because you get to it almost gives you a better

901
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,360
insight into cities because people looking for how is like

902
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,679
where nice neighborhoods are or this or that. Then you

903
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,960
do in any kind of documentary where they only show

904
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,159
you touristy places, if that makes sense. So I enjoy

905
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,800
watching that. I started watching the show called House of

906
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,639
David on Amazon, which is about King David.

907
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 3: That's a good idea because having recently read that that's

908
00:51:21,519 --> 00:51:23,679
got everything murder sex.

909
00:51:24,519 --> 00:51:26,599
Speaker 1: For years, I've been saying, I've even written columns about this.

910
00:51:26,599 --> 00:51:29,440
There needs to be like an epic movie or series

911
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,960
about this. But this one has a kind of what's

912
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:37,000
that show called what's that religious show called about Jesus

913
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,559
the Chosen? It has that kind of production value and

914
00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:44,119
feel to it, which is not be to say it's bad,

915
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,840
but I think it needs to be a little grittier

916
00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:51,800
because the story of King David is quite gritty. Then

917
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,760
I started watching something called what does it say? Chief

918
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,679
of War? Jason Momoa is his name? Okay, it's about

919
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:04,679
it's about these kingdoms of Hawaii. I think before I

920
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:10,599
only saw the first episode. Yeah, yeah, I was next.

921
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,719
My hopes are high. But just a slight spoiler, he

922
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,519
like rides a shark in the first like scene in

923
00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:19,679
the show, and I'm like, I wanted this to be

924
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,159
more realistic, like Apocalypto by Mel Gibson or something, but

925
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,079
I think it's probably gonna veer in somewhat of a

926
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:28,800
different direction, but we'll see. Ye yet to be determined.

927
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,199
But I did start watching that, and that's all I have.

928
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 3: So I think I mentioned last week that I was

929
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:40,440
reading or rereading Gilead by Robinson.

930
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,039
Speaker 1: It's when you called me old and said I should

931
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:43,800
read it. You said I was near death and I

932
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,079
would appreciate.

933
00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:49,559
Speaker 3: It, and I just like it. I think it has

934
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:56,639
a high wisdom to sentence ratio. Just interesting. And then

935
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,639
this might sound like a like it's it to not

936
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,199
what you'd say if you wanted people to read it,

937
00:53:03,519 --> 00:53:06,719
but it's a really interesting exploration of Calvinism, which is

938
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,800
not something I was totally familiar with as a Lutheran.

939
00:53:10,119 --> 00:53:12,559
But it's done in a very tender and touching way

940
00:53:12,639 --> 00:53:16,599
and it's just interesting and I find her interesting and

941
00:53:16,639 --> 00:53:20,960
so I liked it. And then I also I had

942
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:25,719
a birthday this last week and my husband was wanting

943
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,000
to take me out, and I asked if we could

944
00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:34,880
go see the Naked Gun movie, and so we did that,

945
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:40,519
and it it's something I truly cannot recommend because of

946
00:53:41,639 --> 00:53:47,239
one and a half profane sex scenes. So there's just

947
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:52,079
that and we're not obviously like total prudes on this stuff,

948
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:54,599
but it was. And it's also like weird because it's

949
00:53:54,639 --> 00:53:58,480
not real. It's what you think is sex but actually isn't,

950
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:02,840
you know, in total naked gun style. But really well

951
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:03,559
in one case.

952
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:04,599
Speaker 2: Did you enjoy the original?

953
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Speaker 3: Loved the original? That is my mother's sense of humor

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to a t. And I she just loved Play Squad,

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the TV show. I don't even think it lasted that long,

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but she was definitely its most devoted viewer and she

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would just guffa. She loved that, and we loved the

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all the humor. Like I recently watched the Airplane movie

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in the non made for TV version and it was

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also pretty profane. But we used to watch this on

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the you know, on the made for TV or on

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the cleaned up for TV version, and this was really like,

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apart from what I just said about how I can't

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recommend it, I thought it was really well done. I

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think Liam Neeson is hilarious. It was very much in

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the style. Although Mark says that the originals by the

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Zucker Brothers just you couldn't make it ten seconds without

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a joke, and this you would sometimes go minutes without it. Oh,

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it's slightly different in that way, but other than that,

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very true to the original. Stupid puns, stupid jokes.

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Speaker 2: I love.

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Speaker 3: I love that part of it. And Pamela Anderson was

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great and Liam Neeson was just wonderful.

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Speaker 2: I uh.

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Speaker 1: When I went to see the original, I was, I was.

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I was not sure what it was exactly, though I

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had seen Airplane and liked it and Kentucky Fried movie also.

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I don't know if you've ever seen that one, which

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is very funny, though very politically and correct, and I

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don't think I ever laughed harder in a movie since

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or before. I just was crying. I loved it so much.

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I thought Leslie Nielsen was perfect at the time. Now

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he is remembered for Naked Gun, but at the time

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he had been in you know, like a serious kind

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of act or so like it was in Kojak and stuff,

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you know, So it was weird. It was just so

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unexpected and funny. I guess I'll go see it, even

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though there are those scenes that you don't like.

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Speaker 2: Do you like Leslie? Uh?

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Speaker 1: I mean, Leslie Nielsen was amazing and Liam Neeson is

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such a fun act. I mean he plays any kind

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of role. I just think the guy's amazing, so I'll

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probably go see it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah he's good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, that's it. Yep.

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Speaker 1: If you have any cultural recommendations for us better than

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the ones that we just shared, please.

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Speaker 2: Let us know at radio at the Federalist dot com.

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We'd love to hear from you. We'll be back next week.

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Until then, be lovers of freedom and anxious for the