Speaker 1: It is The Jesse Kelly Show, another hour of The
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Speaker 1: The Jesse Kelly Show. But it's hour two, and as promised,
Speaker 1: we are now going to pick up where we left
Speaker 1: off last night and continue our history, a history not
Speaker 1: many people know about the Rhodesian Bush War. If you
Speaker 1: missed a lot of the bad background, and so much
Speaker 1: of it was background, It was tribal stuff. And if
Speaker 1: you miss that, I don't have time to recap it
Speaker 1: for you. Now we must move on in the story.
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Speaker 1: two of last night. We gave a lot of the background.
Speaker 1: Your thirty second to one minute background. Is this. A
Speaker 1: man named Cecil Rhodes grabbed a bunch of miners, other people, yes,
Speaker 1: women and children, walked into a tribal land, a tribal
Speaker 1: land that had stuff he wanted. They started to mine there.
Speaker 1: There were two historically there were more, but two main
Speaker 1: rival tribes there who'd hated each other and slaid each other,
Speaker 1: slaughtered each other, raped each other, and burned each other
Speaker 1: alive for a very long time. At some point they
Speaker 1: did it in front of the Europeans. There was a
Speaker 1: big uprising. The Europeans were mortified by such savagery, and
Speaker 1: they stepped up and they said, okay, this place is
Speaker 1: kind of ours. Now this is done. You all, you people,
Speaker 1: you tribes, you tribesmen, you go over there. You other tribesmen,
Speaker 1: you go over there. Now, this is what colonization looked
Speaker 1: like a lot of the time. We're about to lay
Speaker 1: it out for the British Empire. Remember when your history
Speaker 1: professor in college was whining and crying about colonialism. That's
Speaker 1: actually kind of a ridiculous term because there are so
Speaker 1: many different ways to quote colonize. A country. And let's
Speaker 1: be honest right now, colonization is simply a more peaceful
Speaker 1: form of conquest. That's what it is. So let's just
Speaker 1: call it all conquest, shall we. There is a spectrum,
Speaker 1: isn't there? We could go with the old. Well, the
Speaker 1: easiest one would be Genghis Khan form of conquest. Hey,
Speaker 1: I really like your lands. I think I shall take
Speaker 1: my gigantic army in there and i will slaughter every man,
Speaker 1: woman and child. I'll even send a rearguard back to
Speaker 1: your city to ensure I killed all the pets, and
Speaker 1: then I'll move in. That is obviously an extreme end
Speaker 1: of that spectrum, but that's how conquest has been done.
Speaker 1: Then there are other types. The French. The French would
Speaker 1: be more likely to kind of not really move in,
Speaker 1: but trade with you, right, They'll provide security, they'll trade
Speaker 1: with you. The Spanish. The Spanish were about as hands
Speaker 1: off with so much of their conquest as you can be.
Speaker 1: And I know about the Spanish conquest of Mexico and whatnot,
Speaker 1: but the Spanish and all their colonization or conquest, they
Speaker 1: really just kind of wanted the gold. Hey, just give
Speaker 1: me some gold. Do you have any gold. I'll take
Speaker 1: some gold. The British, in my opinion, did it smarter
Speaker 1: than anyone else, because here's what the British always believed
Speaker 1: about conquering colonizing any place. The British believed that you
Speaker 1: should move in. They believe that possession was nine tenths
Speaker 1: of the law. And you can't ever really grab control
Speaker 1: of a place just by sending emissaries from Afar and
Speaker 1: picking up a shipment of gold along the coast. No,
Speaker 1: you needed your people physically building homes and schools and roads.
Speaker 1: You need your people moving in and setting up shop.
Speaker 1: But wait, there's more. I don't want to make it
Speaker 1: sound all bad if you're against conquest. They also believed
Speaker 1: in integrating the local population as you moved in. The
Speaker 1: Brits did not want to lot or everybody. They actually
Speaker 1: didn't want to send everyone away as refugees. And we're
Speaker 1: talking about this spot in Africa Africa here, but Britain
Speaker 1: did this in many other places. They wanted to find
Speaker 1: a way where, Yes, they took over. I'm not making
Speaker 1: them sound completely magnanimous here. They wanted to take over,
Speaker 1: but they also wanted to Hey, all these tribes and
Speaker 1: things like that, look will help you out too. How
Speaker 1: About how about some clothes, how about a job, how
Speaker 1: about access to medicine, how about how let's let's help
Speaker 1: let us help you too. You are gonna work for
Speaker 1: us like you're gonna work under us. Let's be honest,
Speaker 1: but we're gonna help each other here. Your life will
Speaker 1: be better. And I don't want to act as if
Speaker 1: they did this just out of the kindness of their hearts.
Speaker 1: Of course there'd be some of that, but really for
Speaker 1: the Brits, and this is why I think it was
Speaker 1: so brilliant, it just made more sense. We want to
Speaker 1: take the place, we want to take it over. Slaughtering
Speaker 1: everybody generally doesn't work. It's hard to do, it's hard
Speaker 1: to maintain. As we've talked about before in the show,
Speaker 1: you can't really kill your way out of a problem.
Speaker 1: Usually that's difficult. But if you can somehow make the
Speaker 1: people you're conquering, make their day to day lives better,
Speaker 1: then you have to deal with a lot less rebellion,
Speaker 1: a lot fewer problems. They might even go along with it,
Speaker 1: And in fact, Rhodesia eventually we're not quite there yet.
Speaker 1: Rhodesia kind of gets to that place for a while.
Speaker 1: But right now we are post this little tribal war.
Speaker 1: The English are mortified. The Europeans in Zimbabwe are mortified,
Speaker 1: and they say, Okay, enough is enough. Now it's ours.
Speaker 1: But what does it's ours mean? Well, let's talk about
Speaker 1: what it was before the Europeans got there. As you know,
Speaker 1: tribal lands. But what does that mean tribal lands? Well,
Speaker 1: a tribe, at least these tribes, the way they worked,
Speaker 1: they would find some remote area, well it's all remote
Speaker 1: and there's no civilization. They'd find an area that had
Speaker 1: things they needed. And what does every tribe need? Every
Speaker 1: tribe needs some way to eat. Maybe you're a hunting tribe.
Speaker 1: Maybe you do agriculture. Every tribe needs water. Let's find
Speaker 1: a river, let's find something. Tribes are going to find
Speaker 1: locations that work for them, and that's where they're going
Speaker 1: to build their village, their huts. That's how it's going
Speaker 1: to work. And in many ways, the tribes were extremely isolated.
Speaker 1: The villages were isolated from each other. These were people
Speaker 1: who didn't build roads, they didn't have the wheel. You
Speaker 1: as a young boy, I mentioned the two tribes yesterday.
Speaker 1: I'll mention them again. These Shona and the Indo Belly
Speaker 1: and by the way, the Indibelly go buy several names.
Speaker 1: I'm just calling them into belly, the Shona in the
Speaker 1: end of belly. If you were a young boy, you
Speaker 1: were born in this village, this Indobelly village, there is
Speaker 1: a reasonable chance you never left. Yeah, you would go
Speaker 1: out and you would go hunt, or maybe you would
Speaker 1: go to war or something like that. But you certainly
Speaker 1: didn't bounce around the country. We modern day people, certainly
Speaker 1: modern day Americans. Anyone, anyone living in a first world
Speaker 1: country listening to me right now, you've been on a
Speaker 1: road trip. How abnout you? Maybe you still live in
Speaker 1: your hometown, but you know what a place one hundred
Speaker 1: miles from you looks like, don't you? Of course you're
Speaker 1: almost probably scoffing and laughing. Of course everyone does. Maybe
Speaker 1: you've even been on a plane. That way of thinking
Speaker 1: is totally foreign to these people who live in this area.
Speaker 1: What's one of the very first things the Europeans start
Speaker 1: to do. Roads, They start to build roads, they start
Speaker 1: to build train tracks. Why well, they're moving goods and
Speaker 1: services and people to and fro and now they're connecting
Speaker 1: villages that had previously never been connected before. The African
Speaker 1: people in some time, in some ways they're moving to
Speaker 1: and fro in ways they've never moved before. And in
Speaker 1: some ways they're getting run out of an area. If
Speaker 1: the English, if the europe let's stop calling them English,
Speaker 1: because there were people from all over the European world.
Speaker 1: If the Europeans wanted that area, remember they decided they
Speaker 1: were in charge now they said you need to leave. Well,
Speaker 1: they were also integrating the local population, as I mentioned,
Speaker 1: they tried to do that. They really believed in doing that.
Speaker 1: Let's find a way to weave these people into our society.
Speaker 1: And I remember there weren't very many Europeans at the time,
Speaker 1: not very many at all. There were way outnumbered by
Speaker 1: the tribesmen. So crime, for instance, you don't have this
Speaker 1: large European police force, what do you do for cops?
Speaker 1: Every area needs cops. Well, that can create problems if
Speaker 1: you don't understand the area you're taking over. We'll get
Speaker 1: to those problems in a moment. It is the Jesse
Speaker 1: Kelly Show on a fantastic, fantastic Wednesday, a hump Day,
Speaker 1: doing part two of our history of the Rhodesian Bush War.
Speaker 1: Remember you can email us your love, your hate, your
Speaker 1: death threats Jesse at jesse kellyshow dot com. The Europeans
Speaker 1: are starting to take over. They're starting to build roads,
Speaker 1: they're starting to build trains. They're starting to connect African
Speaker 1: villages that have never been connected before. They're starting to
Speaker 1: run Africans out of certain places. Now, this is where,
Speaker 1: this is why I keep bringing up the two tribes,
Speaker 1: because these two tribes, the fact that there are two
Speaker 1: tribes who hate each other, is always going to come
Speaker 1: into play in this entire story, right up to the
Speaker 1: horrible brutal ending of it. Not to give the whole
Speaker 1: thing away. Remember before these guys even got here, the
Speaker 1: Shona had been conquered by the end of Belly. They
Speaker 1: were slaves under the end of Belly. Those kinds of
Speaker 1: hard feelings don't go away easily. And the Europeans just
Speaker 1: got there, they just arrived five minutes ago. It's hard
Speaker 1: to understand everything about the culture you're conquering. It's hard
Speaker 1: to understand old tribal rivalries and bad blood. It's hard
Speaker 1: to understand the religious significance, different significance of different things,
Speaker 1: for instance, And this is going to come into play
Speaker 1: for virtually all these tribes. You know what was really
Speaker 1: a currency for them, almost a sacred level of currency,
Speaker 1: a status symbol. Cattle. How many cattle do how many
Speaker 1: cows do you have? You have a lot of cattle.
Speaker 1: Oh you've only got three? Oh that sucks, Chris, I've
Speaker 1: got five. Must suck to be so low class. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're laughing, But that's how that's how it worked. If
Speaker 1: you were a king, part of that status would be
Speaker 1: look at all of our cattle. Well what are cattle
Speaker 1: to the Europeans at this point in time? Just what
Speaker 1: they're beef? It's beef or its milk. It's no big deal.
Speaker 1: You raise them, you kill them, whatever. It's just one
Speaker 1: of those things they didn't quite get. They also needed
Speaker 1: a police force, and they're trying to integrate the local tribes.
Speaker 1: But let me ask you something. Do you ever have
Speaker 1: any bad blood in your family? Every family has it,
Speaker 1: maybe even in your town, a rival town, a rival family. Arrival,
Speaker 1: this arrival that I want you to imagine this when
Speaker 1: it comes to Zimbabwe that we're talking about right now.
Speaker 1: Let's say your people, your people had historically kept the
Speaker 1: Shona as slaves and slavery, remember, was not touchy feely,
Speaker 1: not at all ugly things for women children. Let's just
Speaker 1: say maybe your mother had been a slave of the indobelly.
Speaker 1: You're now twenty five years old. Your mother raised you
Speaker 1: with those stories of what the indibelly did to them.
Speaker 1: The Europeans knock on the door of your hut and
Speaker 1: they're handing you a policeman's uniform because now you are
Speaker 1: going to help police some of the indobelly areas and
Speaker 1: you have the power power of law enforcement behind your badge.
Speaker 1: You don't have some oath you take or even believe in.
Speaker 1: You're a tribesman who's historically been at war, and that
Speaker 1: tribe has historically abused your family, and now you're about
Speaker 1: to get a weapon and two or three of your
Speaker 1: cop buddies and you're about to walk into their area.
Speaker 1: Do you think there would be any temptation to abuse
Speaker 1: that kind of power. This happened often. The Europeans were
Speaker 1: having and will always have such a difficult time keeping
Speaker 1: the tribes separate from each other, understanding the depth of
Speaker 1: hatred they have for each other. There was African police abuse,
Speaker 1: African on African police abuse all over the place, bind
Speaker 1: that with this. I already talked about historically how these
Speaker 1: tribes work. They lived in their little villages. Now they're
Speaker 1: being moved onto what are essentially reservations. They're getting moved
Speaker 1: away from their historic homelands. They're not thrilled about it. Now,
Speaker 1: let's add one more element to it. And this is
Speaker 1: a long complicated affair. For the sake of not having
Speaker 1: this be a ten episode thing, I'm fast forwarding through
Speaker 1: some things. There gets to be a plague with the cows.
Speaker 1: What do the Europeans do when there is a cow plague?
Speaker 1: They do what any civilized society would do, and they
Speaker 1: start to kill the cows. I just got done explaining
Speaker 1: cows are sacred to these people, a status symbol to
Speaker 1: these people. As a European, you may have everyone's best
Speaker 1: interests at heart. When you send a few guys onto
Speaker 1: somebody's life land and shoot twenty of his cows in
Speaker 1: the head, he is almost undoubtedly going to interpret that
Speaker 1: act differently than you do. It's bad. Rebellion breaks out.
Speaker 1: Rebellion breaks out. In fact, you should know. I won't
Speaker 1: tell you the name of it, because it's another detail
Speaker 1: I'm already drowning you in details. But they consider the
Speaker 1: Rhodesian Bush War to be the second version of this rebellion.
Speaker 1: That's what they call it. This is the first of
Speaker 1: these rebellions. The tribes rise up, they rebel They are
Speaker 1: not as technologically advanced. They do, however, have the numbers.
Speaker 1: It's slaughter, it's destruction. They're doing things like one miner.
Speaker 1: He had worked with ten Africans on a mine for
Speaker 1: a long time. He then found himself with them crawling
Speaker 1: into the mind trying to beat him to death one night.
Speaker 1: There are some stories I'll tell you in a moment.
Speaker 1: We'll be back. It is the Jesse Kelly Show on
Speaker 1: a Wonderful Wednesday, talking about the land down under Africa tonight.
Speaker 1: As we go, quit what, Chris, I'm not a geologist,
Speaker 1: all right, I don't know everything. All right. Back to
Speaker 1: our history of the Rhodesian Bush War. The Europeans had
Speaker 1: set up the trains, they'd set up the villages. The
Speaker 1: tribes were hating each other. The tribes were not liking
Speaker 1: this European rule, and they broke out in rebellion. Now,
Speaker 1: this is nothing like the rebellion that will happen during
Speaker 1: the Rhodesian Bush War. This is completely disorganized. There aren't
Speaker 1: any central leaders. And remember the two tribes hate each
Speaker 1: other as much as they hate the Europeans. So what
Speaker 1: does this rebellion look like? It sounds horrifying, but it's
Speaker 1: essentially small areas where panic gets inflamed, anger gets inflamed,
Speaker 1: and it's oftentimes led by local religious leaders, local tribal
Speaker 1: religious leaders, you know, all these weird tribal false religions.
Speaker 1: Local religious leaders would get their local area to rise
Speaker 1: up against the white invaders, the European invaders. I told
Speaker 1: you briefly about that story of the miner. Well you
Speaker 1: know how most of that story went. He walked out
Speaker 1: of his house to find ten Africans who he had
Speaker 1: worked with on the mine, not slaves or something like that,
Speaker 1: you know, working with them every day lunch wages. That
Speaker 1: there were co workers with war clubs. This animal manages
Speaker 1: to wrestle one of the war clubs from him. They
Speaker 1: start beating him. He starts swinging back and beating them.
Speaker 1: He makes his way all the way into the mind
Speaker 1: shaft where he rolls down into the mind shaft, and
Speaker 1: then he has more miners in the mind shaft who
Speaker 1: he's worked with who he thinks will come to his aid,
Speaker 1: and they start beating him too. He starts fighting them off.
Speaker 1: He's fighting his way through the mines. These things happen.
Speaker 1: In another incident, two guys are sitting there, there are
Speaker 1: women and children hidden behind them, and the tribesmen have
Speaker 1: surrounded the mine and they are essentially getting ready to
Speaker 1: kill everyone in it. The two dudes make a break
Speaker 1: for it. What are they making a break for. They're
Speaker 1: going for the telegraph line so they can telegraph for
Speaker 1: help so the women and children won't die. They book it,
Speaker 1: one of them, actually both of them end up making
Speaker 1: it the entire way to the telegraph hut. One holds
Speaker 1: the door closed from the angry tribesman behind him, while
Speaker 1: the other gets on the telegraph machine and telegraphs the
Speaker 1: message out. Eventually, the door is kicked down and both
Speaker 1: men die with African spears sticking out from all over
Speaker 1: their bodies. This is taking place all across Zimbabwe at
Speaker 1: this time, but as I said, it is not unified.
Speaker 1: It is poorly led. And eventually the Europeans raise for themselves,
Speaker 1: or that I should say, they get back their army.
Speaker 1: It's a long story. I won't go into Most of
Speaker 1: their fighting men had gone to fight somewhere else and
Speaker 1: they'd been captured. They get their fighting men, and their
Speaker 1: fighting men are organized, and they are well led, and
Speaker 1: they start to put this rebellion down. They put it
Speaker 1: down to such effect. The rebels are now starving. The
Speaker 1: rebels are hiding in caves, and the Europeans are dynamiting
Speaker 1: rebels out of caves, dynamiting the entrance, starving them. And
Speaker 1: there an or horrible, horrible, ugly affair. Cecil Rhodes, the
Speaker 1: guy who started all this, He brings all the tribal
Speaker 1: leaders together finally after a very vicious little war, and
Speaker 1: he negotiates a peace because the tribes are starving. They're starving.
Speaker 1: They're done. Only now, this is the problem with rebellion,
Speaker 1: when you lose one. If you lose one, you are
Speaker 1: always going to end up worse off than you were before.
Speaker 1: If you're going to rebel, you better win. The whole
Speaker 1: history of the world proves this to be the case.
Speaker 1: It's almost weird when you look back and you wonder
Speaker 1: why so many people rebelled. We're going to rebel against Babylon.
Speaker 1: Oh no, we're all skinned alive. I mean it just
Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't work. Now they have no more control.
Speaker 1: And now after the negotiated peace, now Britain is no
Speaker 1: longer doing that. Well, it's not really our thing. It's
Speaker 1: kind of a private enterprise thing. Nope, now this is
Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties. Now Britain says no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's our country now. Now they even gave it a name,
Speaker 1: South Rhodesia, by the way, in case you're wondering, Yes,
Speaker 1: that name comes from the name Cecil Roads. And no
Speaker 1: he didn't name it. In fact, he didn't even like
Speaker 1: the name, which is weird. I've always wanted a country
Speaker 1: named after me. That is not what he preferred at all,
Speaker 1: but Rhodesia. Only at this point in time it's named
Speaker 1: South Rhodesia. Let's fast forward just a little bit. They
Speaker 1: are locking in their control of the area. They're building
Speaker 1: whole cities. Now, they're trying to modernize this country as
Speaker 1: possible in a long comes World War two. This part
Speaker 1: is going to be important for our story as we
Speaker 1: move along. I already told you the kind of people
Speaker 1: last night, the kind of Europeans who came here. These
Speaker 1: were not convicts. You just got out These were not
Speaker 1: idiot's welfare recipients. In many ways, it was the cream
Speaker 1: of the crop for Europeans and their children. They were
Speaker 1: tough as nails as well, not these effeminate, you know,
Speaker 1: pinky out people. Tough as nails. And they also had,
Speaker 1: because there were so few of them in a country
Speaker 1: that was so big, with so many bigger tribes, mandatory
Speaker 1: military service for all the males if you were a
Speaker 1: male in Rhodesia, by the way, and females, females were
Speaker 1: the females didn't have mandatory military service. Let me clarify,
Speaker 1: but the females were tough. The males were tough. We're
Speaker 1: not talking about sipping tea. These were farmers and miners
Speaker 1: and people who worked hard. And even the ones who
Speaker 1: were more wealthy. You hunted all the time, the elements
Speaker 1: sleeping out under the elements. They were already a people
Speaker 1: familiar with the outdoors, familiar with firearms. And then when
Speaker 1: you add in mandatory military service, there may not have
Speaker 1: been many of them. At about the height of Rhodesia's
Speaker 1: army's power, there was only about twenty thousand. That's a
Speaker 1: tiny army. They were all tough as nails, tough as
Speaker 1: freaking nails, because look, you grew up in Africa shooting lions,
Speaker 1: that's what you did. They were a tough people. World
Speaker 1: War two comes along and Britain calls, hey, Rhodesia, we
Speaker 1: need some guys. Now. I need to pause here, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to make this disclaimer many times as
Speaker 1: we continue to tell this tale. It can be easy
Speaker 1: to think about this story as white versus black. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you've done it in your mind several times, because
Speaker 1: the Europeans were white and the tribesmen were black. And
Speaker 1: in some ways that may be accurate. But when I
Speaker 1: said they were trying to integrate the Africans, they were
Speaker 1: trying to integrate the Africans. That Rhodesian army, I just meant,
Speaker 1: at the height of its power, like half of it
Speaker 1: was black. They're elite troops, like half of them were black.
Speaker 1: The Rhodesians didn't see this as a white versus black
Speaker 1: thing at all. The loser commis worldwide, It's very similar
Speaker 1: to the commies we have today. That's how they sold
Speaker 1: it worldwide. Look, he's NASA's oppressing the black people. That
Speaker 1: is not how it was. They were working in many
Speaker 1: ways hand in hand. That's exactly right, Chris. They used
Speaker 1: good old fashioned race communism to sell this locally and internationally.
Speaker 1: When things kicked off, the Rhodesian military was not just
Speaker 1: white Europeans. The Africans were getting training, getting everything again,
Speaker 1: integrating them in Britain fighting World War II needed men.
Speaker 1: They said, Rhodesia, can you help. Rhodesia full of a
Speaker 1: bunch of tough people, said absolutely, tell us where you
Speaker 1: need us. So many Rhodesian men black stepped up to fight.
Speaker 1: The Brits got concerned that there would be no men
Speaker 1: to go back to Rhodesia if they all died, so
Speaker 1: they spread the units out all across the everywhere Britain
Speaker 1: was fighting. They wouldn't let the Rhodesians go all to
Speaker 1: one area because they'd worry about it. Hey send fifty here,
Speaker 1: sent one hundred there, and they went and fought like
Speaker 1: lions for Britain in World War Two. Their service is incredible.
Speaker 1: But something else, I mean, World War two was awful,
Speaker 1: but the result of it was actually wonderful in some ways.
Speaker 1: For what is now Rhodesia. I'll explain in a moment
Speaker 1: more on this next. It is the Jesse Kelly Show
Speaker 1: on a magnificent Monday. I swear if you're suffering, we'll
Speaker 1: be back to politics in ten minutes. But we're doing
Speaker 1: part two of the Rhodesian bush War. Now. We just
Speaker 1: finished the rebellion. The Europeans put down the rebellion. Britton
Speaker 1: essentially decided, okay, that's enough of all this games. Now
Speaker 1: it's a country. Now, it's our country. In fact, we're
Speaker 1: slapping a name on it now it's called South Rhodesia.
Speaker 1: And well, the way it works is, of course, world
Speaker 1: War II breaks out. The Rhodesians, as I mentioned, black
Speaker 1: and white military men went off and fought valiantly for
Speaker 1: the Brits. That will end up mattering later on. But
Speaker 1: something else happens. And this is the ugly part of life,
Speaker 1: the ironic, I guess I should should say part of life.
Speaker 1: In a lot of ways. War can be good for economies. Certainly,
Speaker 1: if you are a country that produces stuff, war can
Speaker 1: be very good for you. Why are the Europeans in
Speaker 1: Rhodesia to begin with? It's rich with resources, The land
Speaker 1: is wonderful for agriculture. There are things to mine there.
Speaker 1: And guess which empire needs stuff right about now. Well,
Speaker 1: the Allies, well all of them, but the Allies need it.
Speaker 1: The economy starts booming, booming, there are huge checks coming
Speaker 1: into Rhodesia because the Allies needs stuff. Well, this is Africa,
Speaker 1: we already mentioned. It's a rough place. It's been a
Speaker 1: rough place, just has not become a modern continent. Ever.
Speaker 1: What do you think happens when the Rhodesian economy starts booming.
Speaker 1: The word goes out. The word goes out to all
Speaker 1: the other countries around there who may be struggling. There's
Speaker 1: always a famine, always a war, always a plague, and
Speaker 1: more Africans start pouring into Rhodesia looking for work, looking
Speaker 1: for an opportunity, and they find them. But as usually happens,
Speaker 1: the war doesn't last forever. And after the war is over.
Speaker 1: Let's say let's say it's the year nineteen forty one
Speaker 1: in your Rhodesia, just for the sake of argument, and
Speaker 1: your economy starts booming. Everyone knows it, Everyone in Africa
Speaker 1: knows it. And so let's just say you get a
Speaker 1: million two million Africans from other countries coming in to
Speaker 1: take advantage of the opportunity to feed their families, clothed themselves,
Speaker 1: you know, all those things. But then nineteen forty five
Speaker 1: rolls around in biop war over. Well, there's still a
Speaker 1: market obviously for crops and chrome and the other things
Speaker 1: they mind, but not near the market it once was. Well,
Speaker 1: now all those people have already come in, Now they've
Speaker 1: already brought jobs in. Now there's not as much economic
Speaker 1: opportunity to go around, yet the people are still there.
Speaker 1: This creates a situation that from the outside looking in,
Speaker 1: looks terrible. The situation being this, you have these extremely wealthy,
Speaker 1: modern looking mostly white, although there were plenty of black people.
Speaker 1: There are extremely modern, wealthy looking towns that would have
Speaker 1: looked like any town in America, any city in Europe
Speaker 1: popping up. Only on the outskirts there are extremely run down, poor,
Speaker 1: all black shanty towns that start popping up. The reason
Speaker 1: this is so disastrous is post World War Two there
Speaker 1: was a thing that was happening globally. It wasn't just
Speaker 1: to Britain. After World War Two, countries that had empires
Speaker 1: overseas started to give them up. Sometimes they fought hard
Speaker 1: for them. You know that. This was the French in
Speaker 1: Vietnam when they eventually lost that, but they fought hard
Speaker 1: trying to keep it. Some countries just flat out walked
Speaker 1: away from it. But no matter what, there is a
Speaker 1: macro movement happening on planet Earth post World War two,
Speaker 1: and that movement was, hey, you super powerful empires with
Speaker 1: a colony here in a colony there in Britain's in India,
Speaker 1: and the French are in Vietnam, and everyone's in Africa
Speaker 1: said hey, you know what, no more, no more, It's
Speaker 1: time to walk away from your overseas empire. The and
Speaker 1: I'm going to put this in quotes because I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily believe in this, but the quote decolonization movement has begun. Now, well,
Speaker 1: how do you think Rhodesia looks to the rest of
Speaker 1: the world when everyone else is giving up their overseas
Speaker 1: territory And now you look at this insanely wealthy, prosperous
Speaker 1: African country. These other African countries, for the most part,
Speaker 1: they're sucking it up. They're doing terribly well. Rhodesia. Certainly
Speaker 1: the Rhodesians are the Europeans in Rhodesia, Rhodesia, they're thriving,
Speaker 1: and the African peoples in Rhodesia. They're on reservations, just
Speaker 1: like our Indian reservations. They're on reservations where the Europeans
Speaker 1: put them, or they're in shanty towns. And there's another
Speaker 1: part of it that just looked bad. And this is
Speaker 1: actually how we're going to open our show tomorrow. So
Speaker 1: let me ask a question. Who should get to vote
Speaker 1: in any society? Who deserves a say in the government
Speaker 1: of any society? I think you would probably agree with me.
Speaker 1: That shouldn't be everybody, right, you don't want twelve year
Speaker 1: olds to vote. Of course, if there's some serial killer
Speaker 1: getting ready to be executed tomorrow, do you want his
Speaker 1: vote canceled out? He's canceling out your vote for presidents? No? Okay?
Speaker 1: So will at least agree on that it shouldn't be everybody? Okay?
Speaker 1: So that means there should be limits. What limits? How
Speaker 1: do you form a nation, a good country, if that's
Speaker 1: what you want to be, a good, prosperous country, a
Speaker 1: country considered to be free, while also putting limits on
Speaker 1: who has a say in the government. In Rhodesia, the
Speaker 1: Africans did not have a say in the government. No
Speaker 1: say none. And that's about to be a problem. We'll
Speaker 1: have to continue that tomorrow. Before we do that, let's
Speaker 1: do some more politics, shall we. Let's talk about some
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