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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to part two of the Richardson Murders. If you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't listened to part one yet, make sure you do so,

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<v Speaker 1>because we'll be picking up from where we left off

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<v Speaker 1>on today's episode. Good morning, following podcast materials for a

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<v Speaker 1>mature audience listener, just question this.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I'm Nicole, I'm Ben, and you are listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Wicked and.

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<v Speaker 1>Grim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Bomb bump, bump, nailed.

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<v Speaker 1>It, nailed it. Hello, Welcome, Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>To the show. Welcome to true crime, Wicked and Grim.

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<v Speaker 1>A true crime podcast. That's what we are.

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<v Speaker 2>We are. We got some shit to deliver to you

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<v Speaker 2>guys today. First and foremost, you're talking about part.

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<v Speaker 1>Two, Part two, Yes, so we said in an intro,

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<v Speaker 1>But if you've not listened to part one, make sure

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<v Speaker 1>you do so.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because you'll miss out on a little bit of information.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll miss out on a lot of info. This isn't

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<v Speaker 1>an info heavy case.

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<v Speaker 2>And honestly, like, okay, part one for the record, well

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<v Speaker 2>done on that. I'm on the been on the edge

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<v Speaker 2>of my seat. This is a fucking crazy case.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll do it time. I'm doing the tiniest of recaps. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll go and listen to part one.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, sounds good. We'll hold that recap off if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't mind. Yes, of course, get past some information first

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<v Speaker 2>and foremost, can we thank our patrons.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually have to say one thing first, Sure, what's that?

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<v Speaker 1>I literally thought that I ended episode one in a

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<v Speaker 1>very kind spot, but I got slack for it, flacky, mean, flack,

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<v Speaker 1>slack whatever, flat. So I apologize, but I've literally thought

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<v Speaker 1>I was being kind.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I even told you in the episode like that

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<v Speaker 2>was that was a cliffhanger.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't think it was at all.

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<v Speaker 2>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>Well anyway, my apologies, but the way it's over, so

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<v Speaker 1>there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Here it is. But I do want to send a

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<v Speaker 2>special thank you to Dwayne aka Wayne Dreary, who is

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<v Speaker 2>our patron who signed up for us this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing. Thank you so much, Wayne, Thank you, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>To all our patrons, and even if you're not a patron,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for being here and listening. That

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<v Speaker 2>means the world to us.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank you so much. Awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>We have some news.

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<v Speaker 1>Though, finally, the long awaited.

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<v Speaker 2>News before we get in long waited.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh shoot, I thought that's where we're going. You have

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<v Speaker 1>something else.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not posting an episode next week, is it?

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<v Speaker 1>No, we are next week.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well you're the one going on vacation, so you

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<v Speaker 2>need to tell me when that is, because clearly I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know when you're leaving.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Bett, Ben, we'll be posting an episode next week,

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<v Speaker 1>but then the week after I'm on VAK. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>thinking we're just going to throw out a Q and

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<v Speaker 1>a episode of sorts, something that doesn't take quite as long,

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<v Speaker 1>but still putting something out there where you guys can

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<v Speaker 1>ask us questions and get us to get to know

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<v Speaker 1>us a little bit better and such.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that'll be over on social media where we

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<v Speaker 2>get a lot of the questions and everything. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to ask some questions, something's been burning in

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<v Speaker 2>your mind, you want to hear from.

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<v Speaker 1>Us, let us know, and yeah, we'll do a post

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<v Speaker 1>and such. But yeah, that won't be until August fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so coming down the pipe, we have one week

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to be taking.

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<v Speaker 1>A Sorry there we go, got the wrong day.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but now what Nicole was talking about? The long

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<v Speaker 2>awaited thing thing thing, the Wicked Box. Yes, we have

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<v Speaker 2>this big old wicked box that we've put together a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff, very cool stuff, and.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to post on our social media pictures of

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<v Speaker 2>what is actually contained in this wicked box. You can

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<v Speaker 2>get a peek at it if you head over to

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<v Speaker 2>our website on the left hand side, or if you're

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<v Speaker 2>scrolling on the phone, it'll be right down smack in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle. There's a peculiar button that popped.

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<v Speaker 1>Up with just randomly popped up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's weird. Three the three questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was like, wow.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you click on that, it's going to take

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<v Speaker 2>you to a password protected page. You can't see it

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<v Speaker 2>unless you have the password. What that password might be, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's kind of up for you guys to figure out. However,

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<v Speaker 2>there is a little bit of a hint. All you

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<v Speaker 2>need to do is take a look at our exclusive

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<v Speaker 2>merch design, the one where the only way you can

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<v Speaker 2>obtain it is if you win it through giveaways with us.

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<v Speaker 2>Take a look at that design and pretty sure you'll

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<v Speaker 2>be able to figure out the password pretty quick.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. Yeah. And this is like an in

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<v Speaker 1>parts series, right, So it's like, I mean, not some

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<v Speaker 1>people maybe they're on vacation or something and they can't

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<v Speaker 1>do all the steps, like instantly. Yeah, so it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of going in stages.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, so it's stage stage by stage by stage. There

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<v Speaker 2>is time for everyone to participate at their own leisure,

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<v Speaker 2>which I love so but when it does come down

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<v Speaker 2>to it, there will be only one person to get

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<v Speaker 2>the Wicket box.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and in that Wicked Box does contain the number

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<v Speaker 1>one mug. Yes, that will be so soon.

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<v Speaker 2>We had handcrafted artisan stay Wicked mugs.

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<v Speaker 1>Pottery mugs that we're black and beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually drinking tea out of one right now because

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<v Speaker 2>we kept one. But we had some made up and

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<v Speaker 2>they're all numbered one out of thirty is coming in

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<v Speaker 2>that Wicked box along with other stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But you'll number one. Yeah, number one is number one

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<v Speaker 1>out of thirty. Yeah, they're so awesome. That looks so good.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd go as far as saying they're wicked. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the Wicked Box giveaway, it's officially happening. If you want

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<v Speaker 2>to go see if you can figure out that password.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the only way you'll be able to move on

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<v Speaker 2>to the next stage. Unfortunately, so the information to find

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<v Speaker 2>that go look at our exclusive design. You can find

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<v Speaker 2>it at our social media and stuff. You know it's

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<v Speaker 2>been posted. Go digging around, see what you can find.

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<v Speaker 1>This is going to be fun. Yeah, it's gonna be fun.

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<v Speaker 2>What else we got? Is that it?

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<v Speaker 1>I think so?

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<v Speaker 2>You think so?

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<v Speaker 1>I think so? Yeah? Okay, well I guess we should

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<v Speaker 1>just say once this Wicked Box giveaway is done, then

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<v Speaker 1>we will probably be putting up the other.

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<v Speaker 2>Mugs for purchase, right, yes, yes, okay, so they won't

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<v Speaker 2>be going up for sale until this giveaway is complete.

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<v Speaker 1>So that will be coming down the line too. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's exciting. We have a lot of things. Oh are

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<v Speaker 1>we announcing our other big.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing or no, what's another big thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Our big download announcement? Oh yeah, sure, are we allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to or are you saving that for something? Well?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I was thinking of doing the real first,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know what, fuck it, let's just.

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<v Speaker 1>Let okay, Well, we're going to be doing a blog

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<v Speaker 1>and a reel about it. But we just hit half

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<v Speaker 1>a well not just like a week or two ago.

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<v Speaker 1>We hit half a million downloads, half.

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<v Speaker 2>A million times.

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<v Speaker 1>That is so wild, like, oh my gosh, thousand times.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes me feel like I could pee my pants.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>We're actually by the time we realized it. We looked

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<v Speaker 2>up our analys because we our analytic analytics are actually

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<v Speaker 2>split a little bit because we were on another hosting

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<v Speaker 2>platform before, so we take our analytics from that and

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<v Speaker 2>add it up to our currently current ones. So we

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<v Speaker 2>had to add them. Actually look at the number a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit deeper. But we are currently at about five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifteen thousand downloads right now, so we missed

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<v Speaker 2>it a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But but honestly, like, just thank you, I just

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<v Speaker 1>feel like that's just a dream and not even in

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<v Speaker 1>my wild this dreams what I have thought that we

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<v Speaker 1>would had that many so far. So honestly, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for all the sport, kindness and just everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you guys have been amazing to us. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>what we try and give back a little bit with

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<v Speaker 2>things like this Wicked Boss.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a little giveaway.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So without further ado, should we get into part two?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that rhymed?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Further a dude? Should we get into part two?

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<v Speaker 1>This is going off to a good start.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that what you call a good start?

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<v Speaker 1>I'd say? So? Okay, So to do a slight recap,

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<v Speaker 1>we left off part one with twelve year old, Jasmine's

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with her parents steadily declining right Her relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>her twenty three year old boyfriend Jeremy was, however, flourishing.

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<v Speaker 1>On March twentieth, two thousand and six, Jasmine wrote to

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<v Speaker 1>Jeremy stating that she had a plan, a plan which

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<v Speaker 1>begins with her killing her parents and ends with them

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<v Speaker 1>living together. Jeremy loved this plan. Jacob's neighbor friend Gareth,

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<v Speaker 1>would make a gruesome discovery on April twenty third, two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and six, of the bodies of the Richardsons, Deborah, Mark,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jacob. So we're going to dive into the events

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<v Speaker 1>that led to Gare's gruesome discovery.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh. I'm not ready for this, but let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm never ready for this, honestly, Okay. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>this is actually probably the most time I've ever spent

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<v Speaker 1>on a case because the book spent a lot of time.

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<v Speaker 1>Was amazing. So I definitely recommend reading the book. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>have it in the notes. And I don't know, it

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<v Speaker 1>was just like I just needed to learn almost everything

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<v Speaker 1>about it because it's terrible. It really actually bothered me

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<v Speaker 1>this case. But that's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and rightfully, So.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very bothersome case. So Jeremy was becoming more infuriated

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<v Speaker 1>with Jasmine's parents telling friends they were locking her up,

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<v Speaker 1>yet the two of them continued to keep in touch.

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<v Speaker 1>Jasmine would softly creep out of her bedroom as late

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<v Speaker 1>as one in the morning and use the basement phone

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<v Speaker 1>to have whispered conversations with Jeremy, sometimes for hours into

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<v Speaker 1>the night. They'd fansize about escaping to a castle in Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>their castle, but struggled with the idea of running away

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<v Speaker 1>because Jasmine's family would just go about trying to find them.

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<v Speaker 2>In all honesty, I can relate to the escaping to

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<v Speaker 2>Europe and living in a castle dream.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that does actually sound kind of awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, girl, that's my dream.

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<v Speaker 1>Hell yeah, you're all about that dreaming. Oh my dream

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<v Speaker 1>is actually just like moving our tiny home to Tafino,

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<v Speaker 1>So I feel like it's a bit more attainable.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my Canadian North American dream for sure. However, if

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<v Speaker 1>Probably in Ireland or Scotland or something. Yes, yeah, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So they often discussed how to go about killing her

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<v Speaker 1>family and ran through various scenarios including shooting, stabbing, knocking

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<v Speaker 1>a dad. That's I don't agree with that at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't agree with the whole situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Devil's advocate here. Of course, murdering the parents

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<v Speaker 1>Too, because the thing is they were going to get caught,

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<v Speaker 1>like there is no doubt about it. Yeah, So having

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<v Speaker 1>a fulfilled life wholeheartedly.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So that is one of the most pathetic excuses,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, for murdering someone, let alone a child.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly fucking disgusting. Yeah, disgusting it is. So then came

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<v Speaker 1>the evening of April twenty second. Early in the evening,

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<v Speaker 1>the Richardson's had Gareth over and were enjoying hot dogs

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<v Speaker 1>in the backyard with Jacob. I had mentioned in part

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<v Speaker 1>one that Jacob and Gareth were supposed to have a

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<v Speaker 1>sleepover that night, but Gareth instead was going to a

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<v Speaker 1>beforehand having a hot dog roast, which, holy shit, thank god.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, no kidding, Otherwise he would.

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<v Speaker 1>Have been He would have been killed too, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, just like the logic of what those people had,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. Meanwhile, Jeremy was getting drunk and stoned

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<v Speaker 1>his beer was done, he rated his mother's beer fridge

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<v Speaker 1>or beer supply in the fridge and vodka in the freezer.

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<v Speaker 1>Jasmine wasn't with Jeremy that evening. She was at home

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<v Speaker 1>soaking in a hot bath and messaging with a friend.

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<v Speaker 1>The friend wanted to hang out with Jasmine the following day,

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<v Speaker 1>go swimming or go to the mall, but Jasmine simply

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<v Speaker 1>Jeremy left his trailer high on pot and booze and

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<v Speaker 1>went to visit his friend Jordan and ask him a favor.

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<v Speaker 2>High on pot and booze. Eh, yeah, high on booze.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, high on all of it, all of the above.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I just felt high on I should have

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<v Speaker 1>said high on pot, intoxicated on booze, drunk on booze.

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<v Speaker 2>He was under the influence of alcohol and the devil's lettuce.

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<v Speaker 1>He was intoxicated by two means.

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<v Speaker 2>A Mary Jane the marijuana.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you see. He wanted his friend Jordan to

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<v Speaker 1>help murder his girlfriend's family with him, and he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>the first friend he'd ask of this. Jeremy had previously

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<v Speaker 1>asked his friend Grant, who simply told him to fuck off.

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan wasn't interested either, He said, no way, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have it in me to kill another human being. Jeremy

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<v Speaker 1>was furious, but left and headed back to his trailer.

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<v Speaker 1>He called and once more when he got home and

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<v Speaker 1>was overheard yelling at him and talking to Jordan about

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<v Speaker 1>killing them. He also threatened Jordan, saying, if I ever

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<v Speaker 1>find out you or anybody else told the police about this,

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<v Speaker 1>I will kill all of you because I won't know

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<v Speaker 1>which one is the rat.

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<v Speaker 2>What the fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>So, the sad reality of this is so many people

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<v Speaker 1>knew of Jeremy and Jasmine's intentions.

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<v Speaker 2>Buddy scared them all into silence.

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<v Speaker 1>Well no, and even some of Jasmine's friends knew that

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<v Speaker 1>she had told, but it just never got reported because

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<v Speaker 1>as far as everybody was concerned, they were just angry

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<v Speaker 1>and they would never actually go about ahead with this plan.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, how absurd is it to think that

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<v Speaker 2>your friend's going to go murder their parents. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you're probably not going to believe them.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you probably wouldn't. Like you just think, oh, they're angry,

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<v Speaker 1>like they just need to cool off.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well you hear that in conversations and you can

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you can scroll Instagram or TikTok and you

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<v Speaker 2>could find people getting in arguments or whatever and like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to kill this guy. I mean they're not

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<v Speaker 2>meaning it, literally, No.

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<v Speaker 1>No, when you're mad, you say things. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Jasmine I can kind of understand, but the Jeremy one,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. If I was in that situation, I

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<v Speaker 1>might not have taken it quite as lightly. Yeah, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I would want to say something about that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>So once Jeremy calmed down, him and his friend started

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<v Speaker 1>watching the movie Natural Born Killers, which really set the

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<v Speaker 1>tone for the night. Have you watched this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a long time since I've seen that movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I'm not even sure i've seen it, But

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<v Speaker 1>the premise of the movie is two lovers go on

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<v Speaker 1>a massive killing spree, including killing the girlfriend's parents so

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<v Speaker 1>she can be free of their control and live with him.

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<v Speaker 1>While watching, Jeremy was getting fired up and made comments

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<v Speaker 1>in regards to what was happening in the movie and

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<v Speaker 1>how him and Jasmine would go about it a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit different, like, for example, in the movie, the brother

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<v Speaker 1>was spared. That's where it's going to be different, Jeremy explained,

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<v Speaker 1>Jasmine is going to kill her brother. The one friend

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<v Speaker 1>told Jeremy to stop talking about killing Jasmine's family, to

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<v Speaker 1>which he responded, if you can talk her out of it,

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<v Speaker 1>I won't do it. Like this is just so fucked

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<v Speaker 1>up that these are the conversations. I don't think I

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<v Speaker 1>could have friends that talked like this. I think I'd

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<v Speaker 1>just be like, how.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you not go to the police with that? Though,

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<v Speaker 2>I know the difference is we're going to kill her

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<v Speaker 2>little brother?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the thing was so like they were all very

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<v Speaker 2>Still, right, people are honest when they're intoxicated. Yeah, they're

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<v Speaker 2>usually brutally honest.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so the friends part of their ways. And the

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<v Speaker 1>next thing that was overheard was was a two am

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<v Speaker 1>phone call. Jeremy was talking on the phone saying are

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<v Speaker 1>you sure you want to do this? He was later

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<v Speaker 1>heard leaving the trailer and driving away with no friends

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<v Speaker 1>willing to help. Jeremy turned to coke for courage, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and when it paid his friend Cam a visit, who

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<v Speaker 1>he knew was a good source. Cam's girlfriend or Jenny. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>it was also at Cam's. Jenny was stoned herself, so

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<v Speaker 1>she couldn't remember exactly how much pot they smoked or

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<v Speaker 1>how many lines of cocaine they started, but she said

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<v Speaker 1>it was a lot. Might have been more than six

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<v Speaker 1>lines each.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit. Yeah, I mean I've never done coke, but

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<v Speaker 2>I can assume that's a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that'd really fucked you up pretty bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>They were also drinking vodka and Vampire brand wine straight

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<v Speaker 1>from the bottle. Jenny also offered Jeremy some ecstasy, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's safe to say Jeremy would have been absolutely wrecked.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I can't even imagine. So he's high on pot, cocaine, ecstasy, beer, vodka,

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<v Speaker 1>and wine, but not life. No, no, not that at all.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I think he even took like some I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even didn't hear about cocaine to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Cocaine to go.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds terrible. I hate that. I just said that,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm welcome McDonald's.

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<v Speaker 2>What can I get for you today? Yeah? Can I

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<v Speaker 2>get a happy meal please? Oh gosh, with three lines

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<v Speaker 2>of coke in it? A Mick coke.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, And he snorted that before he went to Jasmine,

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<v Speaker 1>so like he he didn't need that. How the fuck

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<v Speaker 1>would he even drove driven there?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I don't know, there's.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, it would have been awesome if he probably just

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<v Speaker 1>crashed on the way there, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know if i'd say that, but I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Say hurt, but just crash his vehicle? Can no longer

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<v Speaker 1>make it to Jasmine.

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<v Speaker 2>I know where you're going with that. Yes, no, I

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<v Speaker 2>the family lives. Yeah, I don't want him to just

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<v Speaker 2>drive off the road and fucking die.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's all I meant. No, I don't think I

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<v Speaker 1>just like crash, like maybe like hit a telephone pole

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<v Speaker 1>and like he can't get to Jasmine's. Yes, that's all

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<v Speaker 1>I meant. Okay, okay, So he left the apartment and

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<v Speaker 1>his way made his way to Jasmine's house. Jeremy crept

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<v Speaker 1>to let her know that he was there. She motioned

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<v Speaker 1>for him to go to the basement window, where she

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<v Speaker 2>You know, these two were like sitting here thinking they're

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<v Speaker 2>fucking Romeo and Juliette.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, there was even a reference of that shit

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<v Speaker 1>in the book. I didn't put it in here. I

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>In the pocket of his black hoodie, he carried a knife.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the events that unfolded Necks all seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>happen very fast. Debrah, Jasmine's mom, woke up to the

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<v Speaker 1>noise of Jeremy entering the house and most likely suspected

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<v Speaker 1>that Jasmine was once again trying to sneak out, so

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<v Speaker 1>turned on the light, she was met with Jeremy, who

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<v Speaker 1>was in his black clothes back near pream I said

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<v Speaker 1>that funny pream black fishnet, arm stockings, leather wristband, neck, bandana,

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<v Speaker 1>and eyes lined with black eyeliner. Fueled by cocaine, Jeremy

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<v Speaker 1>pounced on Deborah. There had been literally no time for

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<v Speaker 1>her to really react. Jeremy viciously stabbed Deborah twelve times,

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<v Speaker 1>including a twelve centimeter deep piercing to her heart. This

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<v Speaker 1>commotion obviously calls Mark to wake up and race downstairs

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<v Speaker 1>to the screams of his wife, which is just that

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, I can't imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>He sees Deborah on the floor and the masks masked

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<v Speaker 1>figure standing over top her and grabs a screwdriver that

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<v Speaker 1>was left on the stairs and prepares for the battle

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<v Speaker 1>of his life. Mark was a warrior. He was fighting

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<v Speaker 1>for his family, but unfortunately he was no match for

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<v Speaker 1>the advantage Jeremy had on him of cocaine and a

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<v Speaker 1>sharp This breaks my heart. As Mark was realizing he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't going to win this battle, he asked Jeremy who

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<v Speaker 1>who he was, like, who are you? To which Jeremy

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<v Speaker 1>because you treat your daughter like shit. It's what your

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<v Speaker 2>Holy fuck. Yeah wow, and those are nothing but the

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<v Speaker 2>like so incorrect, those.

426
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<v Speaker 1>Words so incorrect. Well, I mean the daughter did seem

427
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<v Speaker 1>like she did want well that yeah they did. They

428
00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:44.200
<v Speaker 1>could have given up on her so many times, I

429
00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:47.279
<v Speaker 1>feel like, and they just didn't. They seem like amazing people.

430
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<v Speaker 1>I feel like a lot of parents would not have

431
00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:53.359
<v Speaker 1>put up with what they did to the extent. So

432
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<v Speaker 1>Mark was stabbed twenty four times, including nine times in

433
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<v Speaker 1>his back.

434
00:21:58.599 --> 00:21:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Fuck.

435
00:21:59.319 --> 00:22:03.759
<v Speaker 1>He fought til has very last breath. Both Deborah and

436
00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Mark had numerous defensive knife cuts on their hands and arms.

437
00:22:08.680 --> 00:22:12.119
<v Speaker 1>Jeremy would meet Jasmine in the kitchen, where Jasmine apparently

438
00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:15.079
<v Speaker 1>gave Jeremy a hug and kiss and told him that

439
00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:15.880
<v Speaker 1>she loved him.

440
00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:18.920
<v Speaker 2>She then proceeded so she was just standing in the

441
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<v Speaker 2>kitchen the whole fucking time.

442
00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:23.720
<v Speaker 1>Pty. Well, I mean this is like just from them, right,

443
00:22:24.319 --> 00:22:27.599
<v Speaker 1>So she went upstairs at some point I think she

444
00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:29.519
<v Speaker 1>went I'm not sure, like some say she went to

445
00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:31.920
<v Speaker 1>check on her brother, but I think she didn't because

446
00:22:31.960 --> 00:22:34.519
<v Speaker 1>then she went up to the brother later and it

447
00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:36.480
<v Speaker 1>seemed like that was the first time she saw him.

448
00:22:36.759 --> 00:22:38.599
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, she was not helping, like she was just

449
00:22:38.680 --> 00:22:40.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of like watching from afar. I don't even think

450
00:22:40.440 --> 00:22:43.119
<v Speaker 1>she was really full eyes on what was going on

451
00:22:43.160 --> 00:22:43.559
<v Speaker 1>down there.

452
00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:45.519
<v Speaker 2>But even still, even if she was on a separate

453
00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:48.200
<v Speaker 2>floor wherever she was in the house, she's just listening

454
00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:51.119
<v Speaker 2>to this happen. Yeah, listening to her parents' fucking fight

455
00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:51.839
<v Speaker 2>for their lives.

456
00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, holy fuck, Like it's really bad. So she then

457
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<v Speaker 1>proceeded to head upstairs to her brother, who was scared shitless,

458
00:23:02.440 --> 00:23:05.839
<v Speaker 1>asking her sister what was going on. Oh, I just

459
00:23:05.880 --> 00:23:09.480
<v Speaker 1>can't even with this brother's sister thing like it just

460
00:23:09.519 --> 00:23:13.039
<v Speaker 1>destroys me. Jasmine told her brother to go to sleep

461
00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:15.480
<v Speaker 1>as she cradled his neck in the crook of her

462
00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:20.400
<v Speaker 1>arm and squeezed hard, but Jacob dug his fingernails into

463
00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:24.240
<v Speaker 1>his sister's forearm and broke free from his sister's grip.

464
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<v Speaker 1>That's when Jeremy came up the stairs, smearing blood along

465
00:23:28.240 --> 00:23:30.759
<v Speaker 1>the wall in his path from like his sleeve. H

466
00:23:31.480 --> 00:23:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Jasmine and Jeremy cornered Jacob. His last words were I'm scared.

467
00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:38.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm too young to die.

468
00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:39.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

469
00:23:40.640 --> 00:23:45.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Jasmine and Jeremy decided they couldn't let him live,

470
00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:48.480
<v Speaker 1>their excuse being that he was too sensitive and would

471
00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:52.039
<v Speaker 1>be wrong to leave him without parents. The little boy

472
00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:56.240
<v Speaker 1>fought In the Runaway Devil book, it said Jacob fought

473
00:23:56.240 --> 00:24:00.359
<v Speaker 1>like the Jedi warrior he often pretended to be. Neither

474
00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:03.400
<v Speaker 1>Jasmine nor Jeremy ever admitted to being the one who

475
00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:08.920
<v Speaker 1>ultimately took Jacob's life, though Jeremy was adamant it was Jasmine.

476
00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:12.640
<v Speaker 1>But either way, the little eight year old boy's life

477
00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:16.000
<v Speaker 1>was cut far too short. He was stabbed five times,

478
00:24:16.319 --> 00:24:23.440
<v Speaker 1>including a wide, deep gash across his neck. Fuck like monsters.

479
00:24:24.200 --> 00:24:29.359
<v Speaker 1>That is just a monsters and there's there's one monsters awful.

480
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<v Speaker 2>There's one thing I do know about the details on

481
00:24:31.400 --> 00:24:34.960
<v Speaker 2>this this part. There was blood in one of his toys, specifically,

482
00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:35.440
<v Speaker 2>wasn't there?

483
00:24:35.799 --> 00:24:37.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, I mentioned that in part one.

484
00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's right, okay, but he.

485
00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Had and that's why I kind of said, like Jedi.

486
00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:45.880
<v Speaker 1>So he had his lightsaber that apparently had blood on it.

487
00:24:46.119 --> 00:24:50.240
<v Speaker 1>Oh you're making me say this again. Like he went

488
00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:52.680
<v Speaker 1>to try to fight with his light fight them off

489
00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:53.559
<v Speaker 1>with his lightsaber.

490
00:24:53.640 --> 00:24:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

491
00:24:54.039 --> 00:24:57.559
<v Speaker 1>Like just the most pure, innocent, little boy thing that

492
00:24:57.640 --> 00:24:58.400
<v Speaker 1>you could ever hear.

493
00:24:58.920 --> 00:25:02.039
<v Speaker 2>The thing that really gets me is they these two

494
00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:05.920
<v Speaker 2>fucking monsters. I'm sorry, but they are fucking monsters. They

495
00:25:05.960 --> 00:25:10.200
<v Speaker 2>are They think the right thing to do is to

496
00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:12.920
<v Speaker 2>kill them, because it would be wrong to leave them

497
00:25:12.920 --> 00:25:13.599
<v Speaker 2>without parents.

498
00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:15.400
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't make any sense.

499
00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:21.079
<v Speaker 2>So it's wrong to leave. But murdering's not right or right,

500
00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:21.599
<v Speaker 2>but it's.

501
00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Taking his life and all the possibilities of his life

502
00:25:24.559 --> 00:25:27.960
<v Speaker 1>is better. No, shit, it doesn't make any sense. It's

503
00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:28.839
<v Speaker 1>so disgusting.

504
00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:32.319
<v Speaker 2>We killed two, so we should probably kill three.

505
00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:35.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what I mean, he would have had family or

506
00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:40.039
<v Speaker 1>someone else that he could have gone with. I'm sure right. So, So, now,

507
00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:43.200
<v Speaker 1>after the discovery of the Richeson murders, and as I

508
00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:46.599
<v Speaker 1>had mentioned in part one, initially the police feared Jasmine

509
00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:49.400
<v Speaker 1>was also a victim and had been abducted by the attacker,

510
00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:53.279
<v Speaker 1>but it was realized very quickly that was not the case.

511
00:25:53.720 --> 00:25:58.000
<v Speaker 1>The police contacted Jasmine's school counselor to gather some names

512
00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:00.920
<v Speaker 1>of Jasmine's friends in order to contact them in hopes

513
00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:03.759
<v Speaker 1>of finding her. Maybe she was just having a sleepover

514
00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:06.839
<v Speaker 1>at their house or something. Right, they would meet at

515
00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:10.920
<v Speaker 1>the school to retrieve Jasmine's school photo so they could

516
00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:14.000
<v Speaker 1>really sit and the contact in full of her friends.

517
00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:17.359
<v Speaker 1>And they also searched through Jasmine's locker to see if

518
00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:20.319
<v Speaker 1>she had her friend's numbers taped to the inside door

519
00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:24.400
<v Speaker 1>or in a notebook, as many students often did. But

520
00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:28.240
<v Speaker 1>what they found in her locker made Jasmine go from

521
00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:33.000
<v Speaker 1>no longer missing but to a murder suspect. She had

522
00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:36.960
<v Speaker 1>a twelve panel cartoon strip depicting a family of three

523
00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:41.640
<v Speaker 1>stick figures being burned alive while two others watched laughing.

524
00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:46.519
<v Speaker 1>One stick figer is happily running toward a vehicle labeled

525
00:26:46.839 --> 00:26:53.839
<v Speaker 1>Jeremy's truck. There was also a note that read Hugh Jays,

526
00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:56.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking to take a breath. This is brutal. It

527
00:26:56.839 --> 00:27:02.640
<v Speaker 1>is May the hatred and anger build of blazing infernos

528
00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:06.200
<v Speaker 1>fill you and overcome you. May the pains of a

529
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:11.119
<v Speaker 1>thousand tortured souls come upon you like scalding and eclipse

530
00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:15.200
<v Speaker 1>all other noble feeling like the poem doesn't even really

531
00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:17.119
<v Speaker 1>make sense to me, but I'm gonna keep reading it.

532
00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:21.519
<v Speaker 1>May your hopes, dreams, and happiness fall into the swirling

533
00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:25.960
<v Speaker 1>pit of despair, never to return. May your peace of

534
00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:29.039
<v Speaker 1>mind and safety be gone to you, to be forever

535
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:33.559
<v Speaker 1>afraid and allied. May the black overcome you, and the

536
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:39.400
<v Speaker 1>pain never ending. May all you love be stolen and destroyed,

537
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:43.759
<v Speaker 1>just out of reach, to never again feel such joys.

538
00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:51.599
<v Speaker 1>Amen xx amen. Yeah. So after they have found those

539
00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:56.279
<v Speaker 1>two pieces that are like wow, basically.

540
00:27:55.920 --> 00:28:01.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no shit, I'm also kind of like wow.

541
00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:04.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I mean I just feel like it's hard

542
00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:07.720
<v Speaker 1>to believe that, like a twelve year old thinks that

543
00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:09.519
<v Speaker 1>way in a sense, you know, it's.

544
00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:12.319
<v Speaker 2>Hard to believe she is twelve, Yeah, honestly, and like

545
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:15.079
<v Speaker 2>even that, you forget that posted, you forget that.

546
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:17.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she looks like she's literally sixteen years old.

547
00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:21.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she doesn't look twelve, she doesn't act twelve. Certainly,

548
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:23.960
<v Speaker 2>what she's done is not what you'd think is what's

549
00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:25.440
<v Speaker 2>normally capable from a twelve year.

550
00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Old and there was I said I was going to

551
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:30.160
<v Speaker 1>post the photo with like the gun, but I never

552
00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:31.519
<v Speaker 1>posted that because I was like, I don't know if

553
00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:33.759
<v Speaker 1>Instagram will like that there's a gun in this photo.

554
00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:37.200
<v Speaker 1>So I had picked other photos just I said that

555
00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:39.559
<v Speaker 1>last one, so I just wanted to clarify. So, but

556
00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:42.119
<v Speaker 1>at the scene of the crime, there was also something

557
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:44.920
<v Speaker 1>else they found, and it was a small blood smear

558
00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:47.759
<v Speaker 1>on the light switch in Jasmine's room. And from the

559
00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:52.759
<v Speaker 1>investigator's experiment experience, thieves or home invaders don't generally turn

560
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:56.319
<v Speaker 1>off the lights, so that was like another thing that

561
00:28:56.400 --> 00:29:01.000
<v Speaker 1>really pinpointed her. Makes sense. I never even have thought

562
00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:03.599
<v Speaker 1>of that, to be honest, they don't turn off the lights, well,

563
00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:05.079
<v Speaker 1>or turn on and off the lights.

564
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:07.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh turn yeah, turned him on and off? Yeah, fair enough.

565
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:09.319
<v Speaker 1>You just want to they would I don't think they

566
00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:10.319
<v Speaker 1>would be touching the lights.

567
00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:12.480
<v Speaker 2>No, you want to leave it exactly as it is. Yeah,

568
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:13.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to draw any attention.

569
00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:16.240
<v Speaker 1>If they needed a light or whatever, they'd have a flashlight.

570
00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:17.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

571
00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:21.400
<v Speaker 1>So and yeah, they would be trying to feel it

572
00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:23.599
<v Speaker 1>or something like that. So that just made so much sense.

573
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:25.599
<v Speaker 1>I was just like, Wow, I never thought about that

574
00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:27.680
<v Speaker 1>I want to be like a detective. That's so interesting

575
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:32.200
<v Speaker 1>what you probably learn. Okay, so where were Jasmine and Jeremy. Well,

576
00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:36.960
<v Speaker 1>after the Grousome murders, Jeremy took off. He was paranoid

577
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:42.000
<v Speaker 1>that someone saw him. He was basically a hot mess, shaking, trembling,

578
00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:45.279
<v Speaker 1>gasping for air. He wanted Jasmine to hurry up. She

579
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.359
<v Speaker 1>was in the process of gathering her things, but the

580
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:51.039
<v Speaker 1>panic was really setting in, and he took off, running

581
00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:53.759
<v Speaker 1>down the street to his truck and drove back to

582
00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:57.240
<v Speaker 1>his trailer. I mean, he was also probably losing his high, right,

583
00:29:59.079 --> 00:30:01.680
<v Speaker 1>maybe not even yet, but he was just fed out

584
00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:02.240
<v Speaker 1>of his mind.

585
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:05.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Whether he lost his high or he's still on it,

586
00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:07.440
<v Speaker 2>or he's just starting to freak out, I don't know,

587
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:11.039
<v Speaker 2>but all those scenarios are definitely applicable and realistic.

588
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:16.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, after gathering her things, including stealing her mom's purse,

589
00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:19.480
<v Speaker 1>which I'm like, that's just like another thing.

590
00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:21.519
<v Speaker 2>Right, it's just the salt into the wound.

591
00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:24.079
<v Speaker 1>Jasmine called a cab to come and pick her up

592
00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:27.279
<v Speaker 1>and take her to Jeremy's. She actually went outside to

593
00:30:27.319 --> 00:30:29.759
<v Speaker 1>call the cab so she wouldn't be in the house

594
00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:32.680
<v Speaker 1>with her dead family, and as she was outside, she

595
00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:35.319
<v Speaker 1>caught a glimpse of her father's body through the window

596
00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:38.200
<v Speaker 1>on the floor in the basement. She reached through the

597
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:41.720
<v Speaker 1>broken window and closed the blinds to block the image.

598
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:45.759
<v Speaker 1>Out of sight, out of mind. Wow, like disgusting.

599
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:47.079
<v Speaker 2>How heartless is that?

600
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:51.000
<v Speaker 1>I know that, It just seems it's beyond me like

601
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:54.119
<v Speaker 1>it just the whole thing is awful, heartless, like you

602
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:58.799
<v Speaker 1>said so. Once the cab dropped Jasmine off at Jeremy's,

603
00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:02.519
<v Speaker 1>they greedy each other with a big hug and exchanged

604
00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:06.240
<v Speaker 1>I love you s. Jeremy had already cleaned himself up,

605
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:09.319
<v Speaker 1>but he looked worn out and had a rapidly swelling

606
00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:13.680
<v Speaker 1>eye like a black eye. He put his bloody clothes

607
00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:16.799
<v Speaker 1>into a plastic grocery brig to discard of, and the

608
00:31:16.839 --> 00:31:20.039
<v Speaker 1>two of them headed to Cam's apartment, where Jeremy had

609
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:23.160
<v Speaker 1>been prior to the murders. They ended up staying the

610
00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:27.880
<v Speaker 1>night there. They had sex and woke up early afternoon

611
00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:31.200
<v Speaker 1>the following day, where they proceeded to get ready and

612
00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:34.440
<v Speaker 1>head to a well known party house and crash pad

613
00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:37.119
<v Speaker 1>where a party was in full swing.

614
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:43.000
<v Speaker 2>And just a reminder Jeremy's in his twenties and she's twelve. Yeah,

615
00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:45.279
<v Speaker 2>just that reminder.

616
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:49.240
<v Speaker 1>He's twenty three, so there's eleven year different difference there

617
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:53.319
<v Speaker 1>and she's twelve. Yeah. So he, along with murdering people,

618
00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:54.319
<v Speaker 1>is also.

619
00:31:56.839 --> 00:31:57.599
<v Speaker 2>Let's just move on.

620
00:31:57.799 --> 00:32:02.519
<v Speaker 1>Let's just move on. Yeah, okay, So Jasmine was now free.

621
00:32:03.079 --> 00:32:05.559
<v Speaker 1>It was as if it was her coming out party.

622
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:08.359
<v Speaker 1>At the party, it was described that the two of

623
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:11.160
<v Speaker 1>them were all over each other, making out on the

624
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:15.319
<v Speaker 1>couch like no one was literally around. And surprisingly the

625
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:19.240
<v Speaker 1>party this, I was like, what the fuck, was barely

626
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:22.839
<v Speaker 1>a kilometer down the road from Jasmine's house. So as

627
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:27.519
<v Speaker 1>they were there, Gareth was discovering Jasmine's murdered family. His

628
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:30.319
<v Speaker 1>mom was folding the police and the investigators were beginning

629
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:33.400
<v Speaker 1>their search and they were not even a kilometer away.

630
00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:36.759
<v Speaker 2>And they didn't even give a shit, no wow.

631
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:41.039
<v Speaker 1>At one point, search dogs were brought in to search

632
00:32:41.079 --> 00:32:45.599
<v Speaker 1>for evidence. They searched within a half kilometer radius of

633
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:48.839
<v Speaker 1>the Richardson home, But if they had extended that search

634
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:53.160
<v Speaker 1>to be a kilometer radius, they would have basically found

635
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:56.720
<v Speaker 1>Jasmine and Jeremy on the front lawn eating fucking fast food.

636
00:32:57.880 --> 00:33:00.119
<v Speaker 2>But what reason would they have had to ext and

637
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:03.160
<v Speaker 2>that sort of I know, like the line's drawn somewhere, right, yeah,

638
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:05.759
<v Speaker 2>but the farther you get away, less chance of that.

639
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:08.240
<v Speaker 1>Happens, I know. But I'm just like, oh, almost half

640
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:09.799
<v Speaker 1>a kilometer or more. But I mean that would have

641
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:12.960
<v Speaker 1>double the radius, right, So it's not like it's that

642
00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:16.519
<v Speaker 1>that close. So as they were outside eating their fast food,

643
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:20.119
<v Speaker 1>Jeremy's good friend James showed up. He was moving out

644
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:23.400
<v Speaker 1>and there to collect his final belongings. The two of

645
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:27.799
<v Speaker 1>them actually followed James inside. Jeremy felt he could confide

646
00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:31.599
<v Speaker 1>in James and very quickly blurted out to him, we

647
00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:35.200
<v Speaker 1>killed my girlfriend's family last night. I gutted them like

648
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:40.079
<v Speaker 1>a fish, to which Jasmine responded, my little brother gargled.

649
00:33:41.720 --> 00:33:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Wow, my little brother gargled, holy fuck yeah, oh my god.

650
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:53.440
<v Speaker 1>James was busy, so the conversation didn't last long, but

651
00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:57.880
<v Speaker 1>James just responded that they're crazy, like you guys are crazy.

652
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:01.039
<v Speaker 1>He didn't believe that his best friend could do something

653
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:01.480
<v Speaker 1>like that.

654
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:03.839
<v Speaker 2>Did he go to the police by any chance?

655
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:07.400
<v Speaker 1>He did not right away, No, right away, but he did.

656
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:10.760
<v Speaker 1>He did later when it was more out there. But

657
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:13.239
<v Speaker 1>like just that little conversation didn't make him go to

658
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:16.159
<v Speaker 1>the police. No one believed that they would buy something.

659
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:16.840
<v Speaker 2>I understand.

660
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:19.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, that's a law, go to the.

661
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Police, I understand. But I mean, okay, if you hear

662
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:28.119
<v Speaker 2>someone saying that I killed someone, your next move should

663
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:32.280
<v Speaker 2>probably be contacting the police. Yeah, even if it's a

664
00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:34.559
<v Speaker 2>can we get a welfare check on these people because

665
00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:37.400
<v Speaker 2>you know what this person claims they killed this person.

666
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:43.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. So eventually the news started to reporting on

667
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:47.400
<v Speaker 1>the murders, and this brought the same paranoia back to Jeremy.

668
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:51.039
<v Speaker 1>Jeremy that he felt after the murders, which is when

669
00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:53.960
<v Speaker 1>the pair accepted a ride from a friend who was

670
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:59.400
<v Speaker 1>driving some other friends to Leader, Saskatchewan. Last minute, I

671
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:01.760
<v Speaker 1>looked at how Leader was because it was like, oh,

672
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:03.880
<v Speaker 1>maybe it's like a distance, like they're really trying to escape,

673
00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:06.679
<v Speaker 1>but it was only like two hours away, which I

674
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:08.639
<v Speaker 1>don't feel like as much of a getaway plan there

675
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:12.559
<v Speaker 1>not really, And it was not because Leader would be

676
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:16.480
<v Speaker 1>where the pair eventually got caught. They were caught by

677
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:21.320
<v Speaker 1>a rookie RCMP fresh out of training, Constable Aaron Ewart,

678
00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:25.039
<v Speaker 1>who went off of a hunch he had seen the

679
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:27.840
<v Speaker 1>bulletin put on the evening or put out sorry on

680
00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:30.239
<v Speaker 1>the evening of April twenty third, by the Medicine Hat

681
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:33.480
<v Speaker 1>Police to be on the lookout for suspects who were

682
00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:37.360
<v Speaker 1>wanted in a triple homicide. It was suspected that leader

683
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:40.599
<v Speaker 1>was their destination, as that's what the homicide or Sorry

684
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:44.639
<v Speaker 1>the medicine Hat police were told from friends and acquaintances

685
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:48.039
<v Speaker 1>of the pair. You weret drove around in his own

686
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:51.639
<v Speaker 1>vehicle most of Sunday night in search, but at two

687
00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:54.119
<v Speaker 1>in the morning he decided he'd go get some sleep.

688
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:57.199
<v Speaker 1>He would wake up the following morning at five thirty,

689
00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:00.239
<v Speaker 1>early enough to be at the main gas station in

690
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:04.719
<v Speaker 1>town before it opened for the day. And sure enough,

691
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:08.800
<v Speaker 1>seven am, a small pickup truck matching the description of

692
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:12.719
<v Speaker 1>the suspect vehicle with Alberta plates pulled up to the

693
00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:17.000
<v Speaker 1>gas station. That's like using your nog in, eh no kidding, Like,

694
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:19.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, well done after driving that.

695
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:20.840
<v Speaker 2>Trip, they're going to be needing gas.

696
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:24.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, like they were waiting for something to open two,

697
00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Like they were there in the night or whatever, and

698
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:30.760
<v Speaker 1>they were waiting, So I was just like, that's impressive.

699
00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:33.280
<v Speaker 1>So I'm not going to go into a lot of

700
00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:37.360
<v Speaker 1>detail in their capture and arrest. Jeremy and Jasmine weren't

701
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:41.360
<v Speaker 1>initially visible to Ewart as they were under the canopy

702
00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:43.960
<v Speaker 1>of the truck, being that there was enough room for

703
00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:46.719
<v Speaker 1>them in the cap. When the friends went inside the

704
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:50.840
<v Speaker 1>gas station to use the bathroom, Jasmine and Jeremy stayed behind,

705
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:55.559
<v Speaker 1>but while inside, they noticed a newspaper with the front

706
00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:59.880
<v Speaker 1>page heading a couple boy found dead with a picture

707
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:04.239
<v Speaker 1>Jasmine's house and a picture of Jasmine herself. They were like,

708
00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:05.199
<v Speaker 1>utterly shocked.

709
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:07.199
<v Speaker 2>Really, they were shocked.

710
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:10.360
<v Speaker 1>They said, they were utterly shocked. The girls bought the

711
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:14.039
<v Speaker 1>paper knocked on the canemy's to show Jasmine and Jeremy,

712
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:17.679
<v Speaker 1>with jasmine reaction being to giggle.

713
00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:20.880
<v Speaker 2>To giggle, she giggled, what the fuck?

714
00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:24.159
<v Speaker 1>And Jeremy was basically like, that photo doesn't even look

715
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:28.880
<v Speaker 1>like you. That was literally their reaction to her family's

716
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:30.840
<v Speaker 1>murder being front page of a newspaper.

717
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:34.920
<v Speaker 2>Wow, so these friends would have probably heard them saying

718
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:36.920
<v Speaker 2>we're going to kill this family and all this sort

719
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:39.920
<v Speaker 2>of stuff and let's leave town as we hide in

720
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:43.039
<v Speaker 2>the pickup truck box under the canopy.

721
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:46.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, they weren't nests like I feel like if there

722
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:48.280
<v Speaker 1>was room, they probably would have gone in the cab,

723
00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:50.639
<v Speaker 1>but there wasn't room for them up there, so that's

724
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:51.679
<v Speaker 1>why they were in the back.

725
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:54.280
<v Speaker 2>But even still they had they had to have. At

726
00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:57.360
<v Speaker 2>one point heard them talk about or someone else of

727
00:37:57.559 --> 00:37:59.719
<v Speaker 2>other friends talk about them, saying, you're going to kill

728
00:37:59.719 --> 00:37:59.960
<v Speaker 2>their parent.

729
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:02.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and one of the like, I'm not. I didn't

730
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:05.199
<v Speaker 1>go much details of the girls, but at one point

731
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Jeremy asked, I think it was definitely one of them,

732
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:11.920
<v Speaker 1>it might have been both of them actually to go

733
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.559
<v Speaker 1>wipe out his truck and hide it, to which they did.

734
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:18.639
<v Speaker 2>They did? They did, they did, they did, they did?

735
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:20.800
<v Speaker 2>What the fuck?

736
00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:23.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So if anyone ever asked you to like go

737
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:25.920
<v Speaker 1>wipe out their truck and to hide it, maybe just

738
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:29.079
<v Speaker 1>like call the police. No shit, Yeah yeah.

739
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Let me wipe your truck out and go hide it. First.

740
00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:33.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, the wipe garl had a crush on Jeremy.

741
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and if that guy asked you to go the

742
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:39.960
<v Speaker 2>truck and hide it.

743
00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:42.760
<v Speaker 1>You should just let go of that crush because yeah,

744
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:46.440
<v Speaker 1>no kidding. So the group pulled away and drove to

745
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:50.039
<v Speaker 1>the parking lot of the high school just to like regroup.

746
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:52.480
<v Speaker 1>I think little did they know that you were was

747
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:57.760
<v Speaker 1>following when he When his backup arrived, the officers approached

748
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:03.039
<v Speaker 1>the truck, finding Jasmine and Jeremy the back, with Jasmine pantless.

749
00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:11.039
<v Speaker 1>Ough the teens are you You're just like face disgusting case.

750
00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:14.000
<v Speaker 1>You're absolutely I should be laughing, but Ben's face, it's

751
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:17.599
<v Speaker 1>just too much. Okay. So the teen girls were gathered

752
00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:20.519
<v Speaker 1>and put in the back of Ewart's vehicle, with Jasmine

753
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:23.519
<v Speaker 1>being handcuffed. Jeremy was put in the back of the

754
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:26.639
<v Speaker 1>other officer's car, and as he was he yelled out,

755
00:39:26.840 --> 00:39:28.880
<v Speaker 1>tell my mom she can have my TV and then

756
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:29.519
<v Speaker 1>I love her.

757
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:34.519
<v Speaker 2>What That's what he says, This fucking guy, you think

758
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:37.360
<v Speaker 2>the TV is the most important thing right now? Him?

759
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:38.280
<v Speaker 1>Ma, Ma.

760
00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:43.239
<v Speaker 2>Just arrested for murder. But don't worry. I'm going away

761
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:47.519
<v Speaker 2>for thirty years. You can have my TV. It's okay.

762
00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:50.920
<v Speaker 1>The way you just grabbed your MIC and just like

763
00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:52.480
<v Speaker 1>went after that was freaking good.

764
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:54.480
<v Speaker 2>That was good. Sorry, that was good.

765
00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay. As the girls were being driven to the station,

766
00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:02.840
<v Speaker 1>this is fuck, this is fucked. Their biggest worry seemed

767
00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:06.000
<v Speaker 1>to be if Jeremy would get charged with raping an

768
00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:09.480
<v Speaker 1>underage girl. Since Jasmine got caught with her pants off,

769
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:11.400
<v Speaker 1>that's what they were worried about.

770
00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:12.280
<v Speaker 2>That was their concern.

771
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeap, and one of the girls told Jasmine to claim

772
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:19.400
<v Speaker 1>that the cops had raped her. They were all taking

773
00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:21.519
<v Speaker 1>it very seriously as you could, you can tell.

774
00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:22.079
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

775
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:27.880
<v Speaker 1>Among other things, they were also very disrespectful to the officers,

776
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:31.280
<v Speaker 1>telling them to fuck off, damaging the inside of the

777
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:35.400
<v Speaker 1>police cruiser when they were in there, stealing notepads and pens,

778
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:39.320
<v Speaker 1>and making unauthorized phone calls. Because the population of Leader

779
00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:42.599
<v Speaker 1>was like under a thousand, So though the place the

780
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:45.840
<v Speaker 1>police did an amazing job, they weren't necessarily equipped to

781
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:49.840
<v Speaker 1>hold four teenage girls in one adult male right. They

782
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:52.320
<v Speaker 1>didn't have the holding cells for that situation, so they

783
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:55.719
<v Speaker 1>had to keep them in the cruiser at times, and

784
00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:58.519
<v Speaker 1>like they were just trying to work with what they had. Yeah,

785
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:02.000
<v Speaker 1>fair enough, And these were they were being little shits.

786
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:04.840
<v Speaker 2>They were being cunts, that's what you were trying.

787
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:09.199
<v Speaker 1>To say, Yes, I guess, but it's like, did they

788
00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:12.800
<v Speaker 1>not realize what the fuck was actually going on?

789
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:14.599
<v Speaker 2>Wow? Apparently like they should.

790
00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:17.039
<v Speaker 1>Have honestly also got charged for just being little dinks.

791
00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know, is that a charge that you

792
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:20.480
<v Speaker 1>can get.

793
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:24.199
<v Speaker 2>Your charged for being a little dink. That's a separate

794
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:25.760
<v Speaker 2>charge from having a little dink.

795
00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:32.480
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, both Jasmine and Jeremy were charged with three counts

796
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:36.159
<v Speaker 1>of first degree murder. For Jasmine, at twelve years old

797
00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:39.960
<v Speaker 1>and six months of age, she became the youngest person

798
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:42.880
<v Speaker 1>charged with multiple homicide in Canada.

799
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

800
00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:48.760
<v Speaker 1>Not a badge to be proud of it, No kidding, Okay. So,

801
00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:55.199
<v Speaker 1>to touch on Jasmine's and Jeremy's interrogation, they both cracked.

802
00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:58.719
<v Speaker 1>They both cracked under the pressure fair enough. Jeremy was

803
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:03.800
<v Speaker 1>an emotional wreck. He says, things just kept escalating, they

804
00:42:03.840 --> 00:42:06.800
<v Speaker 1>got out of control. I would do anything for Jasmine.

805
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:08.760
<v Speaker 1>I tried to talk her out of it, but she

806
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:13.320
<v Speaker 1>wanted it bad. And though Jasmine was pretty much essentially

807
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:17.559
<v Speaker 1>emotionless through most of it. They did, however, get her

808
00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:20.480
<v Speaker 1>to write an apology to her parents to help her

809
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:23.440
<v Speaker 1>get it out. But really we're just trying to get

810
00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:26.440
<v Speaker 1>as much evidence out of her as possible. Of course,

811
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:34.079
<v Speaker 1>she said, dear my lovely parental units, I am writing

812
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:37.760
<v Speaker 1>in response to the events of Sunday morning. A terrible

813
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:41.599
<v Speaker 1>thing happened, something I always feel was all my fault.

814
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:44.199
<v Speaker 1>You must know I love you all dearly and are

815
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:48.119
<v Speaker 1>in my prayers. I wish peace upon your souls in

816
00:42:48.280 --> 00:42:52.079
<v Speaker 1>the summer Land. To my little brother, I apologize for

817
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:55.559
<v Speaker 1>letting you hear what had happened, also for causing you

818
00:42:55.639 --> 00:42:58.960
<v Speaker 1>pain and for frightening you so much. To my parents,

819
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:03.119
<v Speaker 1>I hope you know that through all this, through all

820
00:43:03.159 --> 00:43:06.480
<v Speaker 1>that has happened, I loved you the whole. While I

821
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:09.519
<v Speaker 1>wish I couldn't. I wish I could take everything back.

822
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:12.880
<v Speaker 1>I wish it hadn't happened. I wish you were with

823
00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:16.559
<v Speaker 1>me right now, because now I have no one. I

824
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:19.519
<v Speaker 1>can pray that you forgive me. And Jeremy too, because

825
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:23.199
<v Speaker 1>he was under the influence of mine altering substance and

826
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:26.239
<v Speaker 1>did it out of love for me. He is most

827
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:30.400
<v Speaker 1>possibly the kindest person I've ever met, his wish being

828
00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:34.679
<v Speaker 1>for my happiness. Through all the fights and hatred exchanged,

829
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:38.320
<v Speaker 1>I still loved you, and I'm sorry my sarcasm was

830
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:41.480
<v Speaker 1>taken to heart. I never meant to harm you. I

831
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:43.440
<v Speaker 1>pray you can be at peace somehow.

832
00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:48.800
<v Speaker 2>That is a whole lot to unpack. I never meant

833
00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:51.480
<v Speaker 2>to harm you, and I pray for you. Yet there

834
00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:55.760
<v Speaker 2>was that weird prayer poem, yeah, in her locker that

835
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:57.440
<v Speaker 2>we found I don't know.

836
00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:01.199
<v Speaker 1>I also, I don't know. I was found slightly biased

837
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:03.880
<v Speaker 1>with her because I feel like, especially because in episode

838
00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:06.360
<v Speaker 1>one she had gone to counseling with her parents and

839
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:08.000
<v Speaker 1>like seemed like she just like knew how to play

840
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:10.280
<v Speaker 1>the game a little bit, right, mm hmmm, because her

841
00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:12.480
<v Speaker 1>parents thought she was changing and like gave her more

842
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:14.800
<v Speaker 1>freedom and stuff, and then instantly she just was like

843
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:17.480
<v Speaker 1>back to her old ways. So it's like, I feel

844
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:21.519
<v Speaker 1>like she's kind of manipulative even how she's what she's

845
00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:22.760
<v Speaker 1>done with Jeremy really.

846
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:26.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, And there's there's there's a saying of you're

847
00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:29.719
<v Speaker 2>not sorry for what happened, You're sorry you got caught,

848
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:32.719
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's exactly what this is. She never

849
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:35.000
<v Speaker 2>anticipated getting caught. She just thought that she'd run off

850
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:37.360
<v Speaker 2>in the sunset and live happily ever after. She didn't

851
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:39.639
<v Speaker 2>even calculate getting caught into it.

852
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:44.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's but then things like she's twelve, Yeah, exactly.

853
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:49.480
<v Speaker 1>It's so hard to unpack because ken a twelve year

854
00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:52.159
<v Speaker 1>old actually be capable of what we feel she is.

855
00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:55.800
<v Speaker 1>Why not I don't know that just seems so young

856
00:44:55.840 --> 00:44:58.119
<v Speaker 1>to me, Like that seems so young to me. But

857
00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:00.800
<v Speaker 1>she's matured beyond her years.

858
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:05.039
<v Speaker 2>Really well, regardless of matured beyond years or immature, well

859
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:07.599
<v Speaker 2>under your years, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter age

860
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:11.079
<v Speaker 2>or anything. A person can be capable of quite for

861
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:15.480
<v Speaker 2>lack of better words, incredible things. Unbelievable things would be

862
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:16.320
<v Speaker 2>a better term. There we go.

863
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:19.519
<v Speaker 1>You just wouldn't expect it from a twelve year old there, You.

864
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:22.320
<v Speaker 2>Would not to say that they can't be capable of that,

865
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:27.800
<v Speaker 2>whether it's physical or mental or whatever. Manipulation. Yeah, clearly

866
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:30.320
<v Speaker 2>she is capable of it, because that's exactly what happened.

867
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:35.239
<v Speaker 1>So Jasmine and Jeremy also wrote love letters back and

868
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:37.920
<v Speaker 1>forth to each other, and this was like also the

869
00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:43.119
<v Speaker 1>interrogator's idea, and I'll spare you, but through these Jeremy

870
00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:46.199
<v Speaker 1>actually asked Jasmine to marry him and she said yes,

871
00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:49.840
<v Speaker 1>So I guess they were also engaged, all right. Then,

872
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:58.639
<v Speaker 1>once on trial, Jasmine pleaded not guilty. Essentially, the defense

873
00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:01.760
<v Speaker 1>wanted the jury to believe that Jasmine was a child

874
00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:06.239
<v Speaker 1>victim with Jeremy being her predator, that she never intended

875
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:10.400
<v Speaker 1>for the murders to actually happen, but there was evidence

876
00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:15.079
<v Speaker 1>that would be presented to say otherwise. She painted the

877
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:17.760
<v Speaker 1>picture that it was all Jeremy, that she awoke that

878
00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:20.760
<v Speaker 1>night to her mother's screams, and that she herself was

879
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:24.599
<v Speaker 1>afraid of Jeremy, that Jeremy would hurt her. But when

880
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:27.840
<v Speaker 1>she was cross examined, things didn't go so well for Jasmine.

881
00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Many holes in Jasmine's story were brought up. If there

882
00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:36.039
<v Speaker 1>had been no premeditated plan to kill her family, why

883
00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:38.840
<v Speaker 1>had she not phoned nine one one while Jeremy was

884
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:43.320
<v Speaker 1>downstairs murdering her parents. Why didn't she tell her little

885
00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:47.159
<v Speaker 1>eight year old brother to run once Jeremy had left

886
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:50.239
<v Speaker 1>the house. Why didn't she check on her family and

887
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:52.400
<v Speaker 1>see if they needed help, see if they were maybe

888
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:58.480
<v Speaker 1>still alive? Right? Instead, she packed a bag and took

889
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:02.760
<v Speaker 1>a cab to Jeremy. I also something I never meant

890
00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:06.039
<v Speaker 1>mentioned she didn't have money for the cab, so at

891
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:08.199
<v Speaker 1>one point she had to run down the street to

892
00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:11.440
<v Speaker 1>like the seven to eleven, to the bank machine to

893
00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:14.159
<v Speaker 1>get money, and there was a clerk there so that

894
00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:16.519
<v Speaker 1>would be another opportunity for her to get help.

895
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, and the cab driver themselves.

896
00:47:18.679 --> 00:47:24.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or the neighbors. Yep, really anything, right, So Jasmine

897
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:29.480
<v Speaker 1>was actually described and compared as a mini Carla Carla Homolka.

898
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:31.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, wow, who.

899
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:34.360
<v Speaker 1>Also willingly sacrificed we did this case is the Barbie

900
00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:38.800
<v Speaker 1>and Ken killers. Carla also willingly sacrificed a younger sibling

901
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:43.760
<v Speaker 1>for her love. So the jury deliberated for four hours,

902
00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:48.360
<v Speaker 1>only four hours, and convicted Jasmine of all accounts on

903
00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:49.679
<v Speaker 1>the offenses charged.

904
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:51.519
<v Speaker 2>Wow, rightfully?

905
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:55.760
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, jack, okay, and shit, I didn't put this

906
00:47:55.800 --> 00:47:58.119
<v Speaker 1>in here. This is brutal. If she had been like

907
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:01.320
<v Speaker 1>done this six months prior before she turned twelve, yeah,

908
00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:03.760
<v Speaker 1>she wouldn't have really been I think she was only

909
00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:06.719
<v Speaker 1>able to be charged with like parole then because she's

910
00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:11.079
<v Speaker 1>so young, right, So her being twelve like made her

911
00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:13.880
<v Speaker 1>actually be able to be charged for more.

912
00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:16.599
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Could you imagine though, if she just was on

913
00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:17.719
<v Speaker 2>parole and that's it.

914
00:48:18.039 --> 00:48:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, just wait, dude, it's not good. So Jasmine's sentencing

915
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:27.599
<v Speaker 1>options were limited under the terms of the Youth Criminal

916
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:32.760
<v Speaker 1>Justice Act, taking into account the eighteen months Jasmine had

917
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:35.800
<v Speaker 1>already spent in jail, she was sentenced to four years

918
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:39.679
<v Speaker 1>in custody, which was a rehabilitation program to be followed

919
00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:42.920
<v Speaker 1>by four and a half years of community supervision or probation,

920
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:49.400
<v Speaker 1>giving her the maximum sentence possible. So in twenty sixteen,

921
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:51.599
<v Speaker 1>Jasmine walked free.

922
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:52.519
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

923
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:57.559
<v Speaker 1>She was described as a poster child of rehabilitation and

924
00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:01.800
<v Speaker 1>deemed unlikely to reoffend in her abbas a life. But

925
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:07.440
<v Speaker 1>the scariest part you're gonna freak is Jasmine's youth record

926
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:11.760
<v Speaker 1>will vanish if she commits no offenses for five years

927
00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:16.519
<v Speaker 1>after her sentence, which would have been last year. So

928
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:20.639
<v Speaker 1>fully rehabilitated or not, Jasmine could become in a position

929
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:23.639
<v Speaker 1>of power, say a teacher, a nurse, run, a day

930
00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:27.719
<v Speaker 1>care caregiver, and no one would know her dark history.

931
00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Holy fuck, Yeah, okay can I'm gonna go one at

932
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:35.719
<v Speaker 2>a time here first and foremost, I am super happy

933
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:38.239
<v Speaker 2>that she has been rehabilitated. That is incredible.

934
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:41.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, but do we know for sure? She's also

935
00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:43.519
<v Speaker 1>so young, they're not, we don't know much.

936
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Assuming she is, yes, the medical clinic says she is.

937
00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:48.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to take that at face value and say

938
00:49:48.440 --> 00:49:51.360
<v Speaker 2>she is. Yeah, So assuming she is, that is incredible.

939
00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:57.199
<v Speaker 2>So happy for that. However, no criminal record.

940
00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:01.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it did say that took like her DNA to

941
00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:03.960
<v Speaker 1>have in the system or whatever.

942
00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:06.239
<v Speaker 2>Well I better hope they have her DNA fing But.

943
00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like this just leaves her so like she could

944
00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:12.440
<v Speaker 1>literally go and be a teacher.

945
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know she's changed her name.

946
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:17.559
<v Speaker 1>Oh one hundred percent. She's very much it said, she's

947
00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:21.440
<v Speaker 1>very much so living a discreet life in an undisclosed

948
00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:22.519
<v Speaker 1>location in Canada.

949
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:25.280
<v Speaker 2>Wow, she could quite literally be a neighbor of ours.

950
00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:30.519
<v Speaker 1>She could. Holy fuck, and no one knows. That is

951
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:34.239
<v Speaker 1>terrifying because I'm sorry, if you do something that bad,

952
00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:38.079
<v Speaker 1>it needs to stay on there so that you don't

953
00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:42.480
<v Speaker 1>have jobs that like with Carla, for example, she wasn't

954
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:46.119
<v Speaker 1>allowed to be around youth or whatever. Yeah, so I

955
00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:48.440
<v Speaker 1>mean you can get rid of the record, I guess

956
00:50:48.440 --> 00:50:50.840
<v Speaker 1>if that's the rules. But it's like she shouldn't be

957
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:54.920
<v Speaker 1>able to do certain things, uncertain jobs and be around.

958
00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Certain no kidding, no kidding, that's that is wild. No record,

959
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:02.119
<v Speaker 2>no record, clear clean nothing.

960
00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:03.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like it didn't happen.

961
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:05.840
<v Speaker 2>Holy fuck.

962
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Okay, So, to very briefly touch on Jeremy, the

963
00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:15.199
<v Speaker 1>courts had taped a conversation of Jeremy bragging to an

964
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:18.880
<v Speaker 1>undercover officer of his crimes to incriminate himself in his

965
00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:22.360
<v Speaker 1>own words. There was also the blog posts that he

966
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:26.960
<v Speaker 1>did met more people of authority hearing him brag, blood

967
00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:31.280
<v Speaker 1>evidence and testimonials from his friends who he tried to

968
00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:34.599
<v Speaker 1>recruit to help him with the murders. So he just heated.

969
00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:38.519
<v Speaker 1>No favors for himself in this case whatsoever. The defense

970
00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:41.239
<v Speaker 1>was trying to build a case for second degree murder

971
00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:43.400
<v Speaker 1>as opposed to first That was like the best I

972
00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:46.360
<v Speaker 1>think they thought they could do secondary degree of manslaughter,

973
00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:51.440
<v Speaker 1>saying Jeremy's extreme state of impairment that night could explain

974
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:54.880
<v Speaker 1>that his actions were impulsive. He was a man with

975
00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:58.280
<v Speaker 1>zero self esteem who finally found someone to love him.

976
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:02.559
<v Speaker 1>The jury deliberate for one day with a guilty verdict

977
00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:06.599
<v Speaker 1>of first degree murder on all counts, the mandatory sentence

978
00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:09.400
<v Speaker 1>being life in prison with no chance of parole for

979
00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:11.400
<v Speaker 1>twenty five years.

980
00:52:11.960 --> 00:52:12.360
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

981
00:52:12.679 --> 00:52:17.119
<v Speaker 1>So I mean, honestly, there's and he was serving those

982
00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:21.119
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, So technically he could get out

983
00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:24.079
<v Speaker 1>at twenty five two and still live a life out

984
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:24.599
<v Speaker 1>of prison.

985
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:26.760
<v Speaker 2>Do you think those two are still in contact?

986
00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:29.760
<v Speaker 1>No, because in the book I didn't even put it

987
00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:33.679
<v Speaker 1>in here, but because I was just like, fuck Jeremy.

988
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:37.079
<v Speaker 1>I didn't like looking into this, but it did briefly

989
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:41.039
<v Speaker 1>say that he had they had separated or whatever because

990
00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:43.800
<v Speaker 1>they kind of like went against each other a little bit, right, Yeah,

991
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:48.679
<v Speaker 1>and that Jeremy was basically with another young person who

992
00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:50.920
<v Speaker 1>they were waiting for her to turn eighteen so that

993
00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:51.840
<v Speaker 1>they could get married.

994
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh while this was happening, or while he was in

995
00:52:54.920 --> 00:53:00.599
<v Speaker 2>prison in jail. Okay, yeah, wow, fucking that. Oh that gross?

996
00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:03.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh well, both of them had, especially Jeremy had like

997
00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:07.480
<v Speaker 1>some serious fans and shit fans. Yeah, like followers that

998
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:08.920
<v Speaker 1>were just like so pro them.

999
00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:09.920
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

1000
00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:13.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So that's the case.

1001
00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:21.760
<v Speaker 2>That is disturbing beyond belief. The biggest thing for me, Oh,

1002
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:24.039
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe she has no criminal record.

1003
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:26.559
<v Speaker 1>I knew though nothing really bother you.

1004
00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:28.239
<v Speaker 2>That really fucking bothers me.

1005
00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I feel like too. She wasn't able to buy

1006
00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:34.360
<v Speaker 1>firearms or something. There was one other tiny thing, but

1007
00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:37.960
<v Speaker 1>it's just it's so minimal. It's so minimal because she

1008
00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:40.639
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be able to just live her life like anyone else.

1009
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:41.079
<v Speaker 2>No.

1010
00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:43.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean, grant you, I get that she was super

1011
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:48.480
<v Speaker 1>young when this shit happened, but that is just pretty bad.

1012
00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:51.639
<v Speaker 1>Like that's not something that she's gonna be washed under

1013
00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:54.280
<v Speaker 1>the rug, Like that is brutal what she did.

1014
00:53:55.000 --> 00:54:01.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, wholeheartedly, fucking monster. Yeah, but I am glad she's rehabilitated.

1015
00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:02.679
<v Speaker 2>I am glad for that.

1016
00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:06.199
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm honestly curious, how like, because neither of them

1017
00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:10.639
<v Speaker 1>ever really the book said showed any what's the word

1018
00:54:11.159 --> 00:54:13.320
<v Speaker 1>like remorse?

1019
00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, so.

1020
00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:19.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm just curious if she's rehabilitated and stuff. Honestly, how

1021
00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:23.000
<v Speaker 1>could you live with yourself? No kidding, Like I don't know,

1022
00:54:23.079 --> 00:54:25.679
<v Speaker 1>I mean rehabilitated. Okay, you're in good headspace and stuff,

1023
00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:29.679
<v Speaker 1>but you literally killed your family and they're not here anymore,

1024
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:32.679
<v Speaker 1>and like you, she wouldn't have anyone, Like, how would she?

1025
00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:35.719
<v Speaker 1>How would you go about living day to day? Like

1026
00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:37.320
<v Speaker 1>I feel like that would just be a struggle.

1027
00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:41.800
<v Speaker 2>I sincerely hope that she hears her little brother's voice

1028
00:54:41.800 --> 00:54:45.840
<v Speaker 2>every night before she goes to bed. That's what I hope.

1029
00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, she can't be living a good life if

1030
00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:51.920
<v Speaker 1>that's the case, then because that would be very traumatizing.

1031
00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:55.920
<v Speaker 2>This case was traumatizing. Thank you for putting us through that. Yeah,

1032
00:54:55.960 --> 00:54:57.840
<v Speaker 2>well done, though, what was the book that you read

1033
00:54:57.840 --> 00:54:58.039
<v Speaker 2>for this.

1034
00:54:59.079 --> 00:55:03.079
<v Speaker 1>It's called Run No Way Devil Full Name. I had

1035
00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:06.719
<v Speaker 1>actually just bought it on it's my computer, gonna open

1036
00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:08.880
<v Speaker 1>up here on Kindle, gotcha.

1037
00:55:08.920 --> 00:55:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, the we put the link in the last episode, right.

1038
00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:13.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we'll put it in this one too, honestly,

1039
00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:16.280
<v Speaker 1>like it was, it was really good read, and there

1040
00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:18.119
<v Speaker 1>was even more things that I could have touched on.

1041
00:55:18.199 --> 00:55:20.639
<v Speaker 1>But it's like I probably honestly could have had this

1042
00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:22.440
<v Speaker 1>in three parts too. There was things I had to

1043
00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:25.679
<v Speaker 1>leave out and stuff, but so go read it because

1044
00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:28.760
<v Speaker 1>it was it was very interesting. Every bit of it

1045
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:29.559
<v Speaker 1>was just interesting.

1046
00:55:29.719 --> 00:55:32.679
<v Speaker 2>Damn well well done. Thank you for bringing that case

1047
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:36.519
<v Speaker 2>to our attention. Holy shit, as we talked about the

1048
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:38.880
<v Speaker 2>very beginning of this podcast, make sure you go check

1049
00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:41.519
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1050
00:55:41.599 --> 00:55:44.679
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00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:47.320
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<v Speaker 2>We appreciate you regardless, So thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 2>being here. Well done in this episode today, Babe, thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you, good job and go ahead, you got it.

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<v Speaker 2>Until next time, stay wicked.