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<v Speaker 1>It's time for coffee and company, fueled by Thornton's on

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Talk seven nine day. Now here's Nick coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's get it start at five o'clock on

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<v Speaker 2>a Friday. After a late night last night, gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>another late night tonight. Louisville survives. What a moment for

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<v Speaker 2>Chucky Hepburn. What a wild ride it was throughout the

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<v Speaker 2>entirety of that game. But Louisville and in action tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>tipping off late against Clemson. Chance for them to get

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<v Speaker 2>the get a second resume went against Clemson Kentucky, same

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<v Speaker 2>thing for them. They were really in control for the

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<v Speaker 2>majority of the game last night. And then, I'll be

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<v Speaker 2>honest with you, I went to bed because I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to. I didn't want to see them, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I needed to go to bed anyway. And it looked

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<v Speaker 2>like as if they already had it under control. They

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<v Speaker 2>were up like eight with just a few minutes left

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that. So I got my lazy ass

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<v Speaker 2>off the recliner and went in bed. And I woke

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<v Speaker 2>up to get some milk for Moose and looked at

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<v Speaker 2>the TV and I thought, Okay, maybe it's four thirty

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<v Speaker 2>in the morning, So maybe they're replaying the game, because

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<v Speaker 2>they do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes they weren't.

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<v Speaker 2>It was on I don't remember what it was on,

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<v Speaker 2>but I know as soon as I looked at the

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<v Speaker 2>TV on the bottom scroll, it showed that Otiga Oway

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<v Speaker 2>was able to score a bucket really as time expired

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<v Speaker 2>to lift them up. And I'm thinking, one, how did

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<v Speaker 2>it even get how did it even get that close?

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<v Speaker 2>And sure enough, it was quite the collapse for Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 2>only for them to, you know, do the same thing

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<v Speaker 2>Louisville did. Right, looked like you were letting it slip away,

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<v Speaker 2>only to find a way to win and hold on

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<v Speaker 2>in a weird way. There have been some real similarities

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<v Speaker 2>with these two teams in their seasons. And that don't

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<v Speaker 2>mean because you know, style of play necessarily, although both

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<v Speaker 2>coaches like to play the same way or even record

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<v Speaker 2>and that kind of thing. But it's a group of

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<v Speaker 2>brand new guys that are all for the most part

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<v Speaker 2>working together for the first year, and they've got a

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<v Speaker 2>real strong belief in their coach and they never get

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<v Speaker 2>too high or too low. And sure enough that played

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<v Speaker 2>out for both last night, all right, real quick, Pat Kelsey,

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<v Speaker 2>For those who were not aware, and I'm sure you're

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<v Speaker 2>not surprised. He's been named one of the top ten

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<v Speaker 2>finalists for the n A Smith National Coach of the

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<v Speaker 2>Year Award, and he is among good company others that

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<v Speaker 2>are in the top ten finalists here, Tom Izzo, Dennis Gates,

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<v Speaker 2>Pat Kelsey, Grant mccaslan, Ben McCollum, Bruce Pearl, Rick Pattino,

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<v Speaker 2>Kelvin Sampson, John Shire and Todd Golden. I still think

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to National Coach of the Year, the

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<v Speaker 2>real biggest threats for Pat Kelce as far as this

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<v Speaker 2>has got to be Rick Pattino and Kelvin Samson. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean maybe is oh, but I don't know. I mean again,

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to these awards Coach of the Year,

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<v Speaker 2>it's never the same exact criteria, right, But I think

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<v Speaker 2>if you can get a little bit of both, that's

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<v Speaker 2>who usually goes to and I have no issue with that.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got somebody who does have a good team and

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<v Speaker 2>they clearly did a lot more than people expected. That's

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<v Speaker 2>really where I think you find most Coach of the

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<v Speaker 2>Year awards ending up a guy who did that, where

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<v Speaker 2>you feel like the results the success, not a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of other coaches we would have been able to do

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<v Speaker 2>that maybe or maybe the coaching specifically was what you

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<v Speaker 2>think is the factor and why they were able to

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<v Speaker 2>have that level of success. I mean, you could be

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<v Speaker 2>an overachiever and be a five hundred coach. Now you

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<v Speaker 2>also could be a great coach that won a ton

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<v Speaker 2>of games. But if you in fact were you know,

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to do that, because you feel like there's other

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<v Speaker 2>coaches that if they had the same personnel that you have,

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<v Speaker 2>they would do the same thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Coaches that you don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>Are as good as others would have the same level

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<v Speaker 2>of success because most coaches would be better, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with a great roster. So you can really slice it

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<v Speaker 2>anyway you want, because then again you get into the conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>will are you going to hold it against this coach

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<v Speaker 2>for having a good player? Having good players? Isn't that

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<v Speaker 2>what we're supposed to do? Yeah, so again it really is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's all objective. But I still think pack Kelsey's

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<v Speaker 2>got a legitimate chance to win a national Coach of

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<v Speaker 2>the Year award, which would be would be awesome. Want

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<v Speaker 2>it for them, you know, I want all these guys

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<v Speaker 2>to have all the accolades and honors, because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been that fun of a season. And last night

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<v Speaker 2>somebody asked me this on the text line, I'm glad

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<v Speaker 2>that you brought it up, because I hadn't thought about

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<v Speaker 2>it since last night. But you know, I kept saying,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure there's anything this group could do for

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<v Speaker 2>me to be mad at him, and and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if there's any result that would make

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<v Speaker 2>me feel any different, which that that didn't change. But

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<v Speaker 2>when they were down fifteen and it was just looking

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<v Speaker 2>as if they were kind of shell shocked and not quitting,

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<v Speaker 2>but just kind of in shock and very complacent, I

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<v Speaker 2>felt to myself, Okay, well now I'm disappointed. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I could be mad at them,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm you know, just being disappointed was a feeling

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<v Speaker 2>that I hadn't felt with this group in a while.

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<v Speaker 2>Like even when they nearly lost to Virginia Tech. They

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<v Speaker 2>did lose to Georgia Tech, I just I couldn't find

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<v Speaker 2>myself generating the same level and the same type of

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<v Speaker 2>emotion that I used to give with my team would

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<v Speaker 2>lose the game they shouldn't lose, you know, And it's

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<v Speaker 2>just because I feel like we've gotten every bit out

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<v Speaker 2>of this group as far as what they can do

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<v Speaker 2>on the floor. That didn't mean it's over. But last

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<v Speaker 2>night just kind of to see them not really in

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<v Speaker 2>the moment was kind of a surprise and a real bummer.

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<v Speaker 2>But then you know, you're reminded why you love him

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<v Speaker 2>and why this is such a special group because they

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<v Speaker 2>internally realized, hey, let's lock in. We're not losing this game.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what Chucky Hebburn told him, And man, it just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of feels like with Chucky Hepburn, you could lose.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, He's not perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>He made a really bad turnover right before he saved

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<v Speaker 2>the day, but like he's just Chucky plays at times

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<v Speaker 2>with the confidence that is so infectious to everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't just mean his teammates, his coaches, I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Fans, and at times it's not like he plays without confidence.

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<v Speaker 2>But early Chucky last night he was taking shots. It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't like he wasn't aggressive. But when he's got a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of a bounce to his step, and honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>it starts on defense, when he's just able to impact

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<v Speaker 2>the game and disrupt everything else starts rolling for him.

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<v Speaker 2>So again last night, what a moment. I went from

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<v Speaker 2>one extreme to the other on the way back to

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<v Speaker 2>the other side of the extreme, which was the sad.

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<v Speaker 3>One, only to then be.

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<v Speaker 2>A mad man running around my home nearly tackled my wife.

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<v Speaker 2>So the kids weren't home. And thank god, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that sincerely. No matter what would have happened

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<v Speaker 2>last night, win or lost, the blessing in disguise was

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<v Speaker 2>that my young, sweet, innocent children were not there to

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<v Speaker 2>see their father behave like a lunatic.

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<v Speaker 3>It would have been a bad, bad thing for them

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<v Speaker 3>to do.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you think Maya's reaction would have been.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it kind of got tested because they got home

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<v Speaker 2>when Aubles started making their run, so you know, energy

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<v Speaker 2>level was up. And and as I don't mean to

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<v Speaker 2>be so serious here, but I've never really been in

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<v Speaker 2>a moment like that. It's a little like you know

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<v Speaker 2>Maya is. For those who don't know my daughter, she

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<v Speaker 2>is intellectually disabled. She's autistic. So consider consider the sweetest

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<v Speaker 2>little girl who you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, is a little bit get.

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<v Speaker 2>I get to have her innocence a lot longer in

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<v Speaker 2>life than most other parents, which is a beautiful thing

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<v Speaker 2>for me. So she's you know, consider her from an

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<v Speaker 2>intellectual level being maybe like a three year old despite

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<v Speaker 2>being nine, so you know, she's just again imagine her

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<v Speaker 2>on the intellectual level being that young. So she's just like, hey, daddy,

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<v Speaker 2>watching the game, watching the game, and like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's high stress. But she was kind of like my

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<v Speaker 2>stress relief. Like with her, it wasn't as big of

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<v Speaker 2>a deal because you know, it just wasn't and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, you know, there's weird thing. Again, not to

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<v Speaker 2>be serious, we're having fun, it's Friday, but I just mean,

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<v Speaker 2>like that was something that I didn't ever think about happening,

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<v Speaker 2>but it realizing, you know what, with her, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>really care if we win or lose. I do, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, it was just different, Like

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<v Speaker 2>it was just it was kind of a kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a weird moment that I didn't didn't plan on happening.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, once we started rolling, you know, I'm cheering,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm jumping around, Moose is clapping, so they missed me

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<v Speaker 2>being a madman, and then they saw me kind of,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, slowly thinking there's no way this is happening.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not losing.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't just lose an eight point lead in the

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<v Speaker 2>snow app of a matter of seconds?

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<v Speaker 3>Did we? And sure enough we did?

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<v Speaker 2>Only for I remember, and I think I think I'll

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<v Speaker 2>remember this for a while because that was you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that shot was big. I mean, even if it's just

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<v Speaker 2>for one appearance in the semi finals of the ACC tournament,

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<v Speaker 2>I would hope that Pat Kelsey is going to have

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<v Speaker 2>many many long tournament runs over his time here.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll we'll have to wait and see.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, just took the first buzzer beater in a

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<v Speaker 2>long time to keep you advancing in your conference tournament.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a moment that I think I'm gonna remember because

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<v Speaker 2>we hadn't had it in a while. But also I

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<v Speaker 2>was watching in the whole family and Moose he was

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<v Speaker 2>worried that they were holding the ball, like, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he sees the clock running down. I'm like, buddy, Pat's

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<v Speaker 2>not scared to get overtime with him, Yeah, he's learning.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he said, well, I'm not scared either, So

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<v Speaker 2>then you know, we were ready.

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<v Speaker 3>To ride and overtithe if it goes there.

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<v Speaker 2>And then sure enough that throws up the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>awkward shot doesn't doesn't doesn't get a great look, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you know, we know what happens. The ball bounces

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<v Speaker 2>the way that it does, and sure enough Chucky right

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<v Speaker 2>there with confidence, smooth, cool as the other side of

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<v Speaker 5>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that again, I said it earlier. Most people

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<v Speaker 2>in that instance, even elite players, better than Chucky. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like, more often than not, most human beings in

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<v Speaker 2>that moment would have caught it like a hot potato.

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<v Speaker 2>They'd have been moving like they had ants in their pants.

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<v Speaker 2>They would have been so tense, they wouldn't just have

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<v Speaker 2>the natural motion of shooting. Really a jump shot, but

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<v Speaker 2>you're just a few feet away from the rim, and Chucky,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, couldn't have executed it more perfectly. Again, it's

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<v Speaker 2>when you consider when it was, the moment and all that,

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<v Speaker 2>which is what she needed. But as soon as it happened,

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<v Speaker 2>I just we all screamed. I did run past moose

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<v Speaker 2>and just went right for my wife and grabbed her,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was excited. And then she you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>I've forgotten about this guy. This is the guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's not well mentally because he's obsessed with Louisville basketball.

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<v Speaker 3>She remembered.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, this is the man that I had children with.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, and this is what's crazy. The majority

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<v Speaker 2>of my children's life haven't had any of this. We

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<v Speaker 2>to Moose, picked him up and you know, he was screaming,

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<v Speaker 4>You know what, I actually love selfishly more about it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just because I like the attention that it got.

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<v Speaker 4>Like when you, I mean, when you just think of March,

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<v Speaker 4>to be on like montages and b roll footages. I

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<v Speaker 4>feel like, for maybe not forever, but like especially not

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<v Speaker 4>when they're talking about the tournament and when they bring

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<v Speaker 4>up Louisville seed line on selection Sunday, that's going to

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<v Speaker 4>be in there. When they're talking about the craziness of

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<v Speaker 4>March you gets you ready for it, that show is

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<v Speaker 4>going to be there and there. And I like doing that.

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<v Speaker 4>I like being able to look up and say, that's

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<v Speaker 2>I mean as a I mean having moments like that,

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<v Speaker 2>like as like seeing everybody sharing videos of them reacting

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<v Speaker 2>to it. I mean that is like we're all like

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<v Speaker 2>we've been a very toxic fan base with things that

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<v Speaker 2>have gone on with our basketball program over the years,

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<v Speaker 2>to where you know, you try to block it out,

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<v Speaker 2>but I mean, just what we have gone through as

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<v Speaker 2>a basketball program. I think regardless of what program it is,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to lead to toxicity and infighting within your

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<v Speaker 3>And we had that a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>And clearly things have been on the right path because man,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody's all in with Pat Kelsey and it's been amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a beautiful thing. But to see that in

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<v Speaker 2>a major way last night, I don't know, like I

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<v Speaker 2>was nerding out on watching you know, somebody in their

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<v Speaker 2>living room with their family and all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, one of the family members or all of them,

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<v Speaker 2>they lose their mind. They run around like crazy people.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I can relate to that, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think we all know that there are like those of

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<v Speaker 3>We know we're not alone.

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<v Speaker 2>We know that's what makes this program special and very

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<v Speaker 2>different when it comes to most college basketball programs and

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<v Speaker 2>fan bases out there.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't know, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Just felt a level of relatability in you know, almost

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<v Speaker 2>like a family kind of thing, if that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting real corny and sentimental here. I don't mean to,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's just it's it's what's happening. So yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll say this, I'm sure right now, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>the focus. It's not it's not even on their mind

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<v Speaker 2>because they're getting ready to play tonight and hopefully win

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<v Speaker 2>another postseason game and get to that championship game. But

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<v Speaker 2>I you know what kind of makes this whole thing

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<v Speaker 2>just such a beautiful you know, beautiful timing more than anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, really, I think this group, this group these

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not getting choked up, trust me, it's not that.

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<v Speaker 3>Something in my throat.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think these players, like they would really enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>to see videos of people in the crowd reacting or

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<v Speaker 2>in their home, just because you know, that's a behind

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<v Speaker 2>the scenes thing that they don't. You know, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>they know they've got support, but to see really in

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<v Speaker 2>someone's own domain, in their own environment, what a win

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<v Speaker 2>like that can do to grown up people, you know

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, become a version of themselves that is

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<v Speaker 2>just different.

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<v Speaker 3>Because they're so excited, they're crazy about this stuff. Would

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I just I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know these guys on a personal level by any means,

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<v Speaker 2>but I can tell you they have a real appreciation

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<v Speaker 2>for this whole process of getting Louisville basketball back to life.

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<v Speaker 2>And again I said this earlier in the show, and

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm joking. I would never prefer what we

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<v Speaker 2>went through previously. But there was a moment I was

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<v Speaker 2>texting Austin. He told me he left to go on

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<v Speaker 2>a walk to walk his dog, to try to get

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<v Speaker 2>some mojo going, just to try to shake some things up.

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<v Speaker 3>Called my dad.

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<v Speaker 2>He told me that, you know, he turned it off briefly,

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<v Speaker 2>just because you know he's he's one of those guys

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<v Speaker 2>that he'd rather just walk away from it for a

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<v Speaker 2>little while than come back and hope that it's in

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<v Speaker 2>a better spot so than he can rejoin, because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a seasoned veteran, my dad is, So he doesn't Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't want to. He doesn't want to have to

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<v Speaker 2>live through the whole agony of it just because you

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<v Speaker 2>know it'll it'll drive you mad.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, I don't know why I've done it

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<v Speaker 3>before too.

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<v Speaker 2>You do feel like if you hit pause or you

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<v Speaker 2>walk away, or you like, I mean I've done this before,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll hit pause and give myself like three minutes to

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<v Speaker 2>pace and be like, all right, this is a really

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<v Speaker 2>big possession coming up here, like this is how that's

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<v Speaker 2>how crazy. Mean, it's been a long time since I've

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<v Speaker 2>done that, because you know, it's been a while since

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<v Speaker 2>we've been good.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's it's just different. So whenever the bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of last night was in full flow, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought to myself, you know what, everything about the

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<v Speaker 2>previous regime sucked and I never want to be there again.

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<v Speaker 2>But if there was a benefit is we didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to experience the hurt that will be there if Louisville

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<v Speaker 2>ends up getting their ass kicked. Which point which they

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<v Speaker 2>were getting their ass kicked? I mean, it was bad,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just remember thinking like, Okay, maybe life was better.

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<v Speaker 3>When we were dead. Maybe the dead the dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Fan in us kept us from feeling not only the

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<v Speaker 2>emotion that makes you happy, but man, the emotion, because

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say.

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<v Speaker 3>It, this is what's just so twisted about me.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess as a college basketball lunatic, there's like there's

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<v Speaker 2>no joy in any postseason win other than maybe the

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing that is a stronger feeling than the hurt

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<v Speaker 2>you get when it's over.

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<v Speaker 3>Does that make sense? Sure, Like it's a stronger feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>Now again, I think you kind of reflect a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully not taken too long to where you can still say, man,

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<v Speaker 2>that sucked.

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<v Speaker 3>That was painful.

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<v Speaker 2>But a couple of days have passed, and you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>I still think we had a great year, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean, Like you can you can still big

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<v Speaker 2>picture not think you had a bad year, that anybody

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be fired, or that your team let you down.

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<v Speaker 2>But man, when it's over, it's brutal, and I you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I remember it, but it's been a while since we've

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<v Speaker 2>been there. Last night wouldn't have ended the season, but man,

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<v Speaker 2>it really would have put you in a spot where

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<v Speaker 2>you're no better than an eight, I think. And also

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<v Speaker 2>you're carrying such little momentum into you know, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>winn or go home situation. So tonight, you know, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>see what happens. But I'm confident, you know, I even

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<v Speaker 2>if you know. I mean, last night was ugly, clearly,

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<v Speaker 2>but this group all year, they've had moments where they've

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it hadn't gone their way or I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess this was a little bit earlier in the season,

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<v Speaker 2>but I mean, keep in mind when they came out

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<v Speaker 2>and looked like a different team and went on a

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<v Speaker 2>run like we've never seen around here, at least for

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<v Speaker 2>a long time. I mean, that was right after they

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<v Speaker 2>needed the Noah Waterman bucket to survive against EKU. After

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<v Speaker 2>that game, it was North Carolina Florida State. I'm sorry, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was. It was North Carolina, I believe,

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<v Speaker 2>And then from then on they went on a run

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<v Speaker 2>that really laid the groundwork for them to be safely

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<v Speaker 2>in the tournament regardless of what happened this week.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, quick break. We'll come back on the other side.

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<v Speaker 3>Keep it rolling along.

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<v Speaker 2>It's coffee and company fuel by Thornton's right here on

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, coffee and company, fueled by Thornton's here on

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<v Speaker 2>a Sports Talk seven ninety getting you set for the weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>big weekend of basketball and joining us to talk some

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<v Speaker 2>injuries in basketball. Is the one of the only doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Eric McElroy from pro Rea Physical Therapy.

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<v Speaker 3>Eric, are you ready to talk some ankles?

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<v Speaker 6>I'm absolutely ready to talk some ankles.

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<v Speaker 5>So a beautiful day. It's basketball season, tournament season. It's

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<v Speaker 5>hard not to talk about ankles right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, ankles are very important and you may not appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>a good ankle until you you know it's it's no

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<v Speaker 2>longer good.

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<v Speaker 3>And Rain Smith one.

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<v Speaker 2>Of Louisville's best players, clearly one of the best shooters

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<v Speaker 2>in the country. He's been sidelined for a week now

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<v Speaker 2>with with an ankle injury. It sounds like it's some

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<v Speaker 2>level of a sprain.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And he he did not play yesterday, is not expected

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<v Speaker 2>to play today. And I guess maybe you know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>always a chance things could change, but as of yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>he was not able to really go through anything as

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<v Speaker 2>far as like any kind of like full workout or practice. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they know if he can't do that, then

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<v Speaker 2>it'd be tough to expect him to play in a game.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, is this one of those things where it

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<v Speaker 2>really just comes down to monitoring.

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<v Speaker 3>It and and and seeing.

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<v Speaker 2>What kind of you know, pain tolerance level a guy

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<v Speaker 2>can have, because you know there's no magic fix here.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Well, the first thing is stability.

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<v Speaker 5>So it's no matter what he's it's got to be

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<v Speaker 5>stable because if he can't obviously cut or land on

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<v Speaker 5>it or elevate, then it doesn't matter. You know, pain,

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<v Speaker 5>You can work around pain depending on the function. And

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<v Speaker 5>so you know, early aggressive treatment is what's best for

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<v Speaker 5>ankle springs. The day and age of putting them in

423
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<v Speaker 5>a boot, resting it for two weeks, three weeks and

424
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<v Speaker 5>then doing something is long gone.

425
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<v Speaker 6>And so you know what I'm assuming that's.

426
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<v Speaker 5>Happening is it's early aggressive, you know, trying to get

427
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<v Speaker 5>the inflammation.

428
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<v Speaker 6>Down, trying to basically stick late or kind of re

429
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<v Speaker 6>educate is what we call it if you will.

430
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<v Speaker 5>The muscles that help dynamically spring or stabilize the ankle,

431
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<v Speaker 5>and you got to get those quote unquote woken up

432
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<v Speaker 5>as fast as possible because the reality of what happens

433
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<v Speaker 5>with ankle springs is those muscles are basically told to

434
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<v Speaker 5>shut off so you don't rupture attending. But you didn't

435
00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:04.119
<v Speaker 5>tear the ligament, but you would rather do that than

436
00:19:04.200 --> 00:19:08.400
<v Speaker 5>rupture attending. So but when that happens, they're very sensitive.

437
00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:09.400
<v Speaker 6>So if they.

438
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<v Speaker 5>Feel like the ankle is gonna roll again, they're gonna

439
00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:12.920
<v Speaker 5>shut the muscle off quick. Well, you got to override that.

440
00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:14.319
<v Speaker 6>You got to get those muscles.

441
00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:16.200
<v Speaker 5>Working again so he can get the stability back he

442
00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:17.279
<v Speaker 5>would need to perform.

443
00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:19.359
<v Speaker 6>So yeah, early aggressive treatment.

444
00:19:20.079 --> 00:19:22.400
<v Speaker 5>Obviously they're gonna look and see how he's doing every day,

445
00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:26.119
<v Speaker 5>you know, on the court, uh, in practice, and you know,

446
00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:28.359
<v Speaker 5>it just becomes weak by week, to be honest, and

447
00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:31.119
<v Speaker 5>hopefully it's not super severe and he's not.

448
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<v Speaker 6>You know, I didn't see. I didn't. I don't think

449
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<v Speaker 6>it's a high angle sprain, but I may have. No.

450
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they it didn't.

451
00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:39.359
<v Speaker 2>Apparently there was no real visual of like oh wow,

452
00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:41.440
<v Speaker 2>because you know the Cooper Flag one. That's a different situation,

453
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<v Speaker 2>but with brain I don't remember knowing exactly when it

454
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<v Speaker 2>did occur, but that he he had and apparently he's

455
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<v Speaker 2>had issues with ankles prior to his time at Louisville.

456
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<v Speaker 2>He Pat Kelsey shared a story of him having a

457
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<v Speaker 2>similar situation. It might have been a couple of years

458
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<v Speaker 2>ago where he he was able to, you know, sit

459
00:19:58.200 --> 00:20:00.440
<v Speaker 2>back and you know, I guess heal his best as

460
00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:03.240
<v Speaker 2>he could, but then play through the pain level that

461
00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:04.880
<v Speaker 2>he had at that time. So this is something he's

462
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<v Speaker 2>done before, which I guess is a bonus knowing he's

463
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<v Speaker 2>at least gone through the process of of kind of

464
00:20:09.079 --> 00:20:11.440
<v Speaker 2>fighting through it and still being able to play. But

465
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<v Speaker 2>like if in fact that, if in fact, you know,

466
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<v Speaker 2>you don't see him any in Charlotte today or tomorrow,

467
00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:18.920
<v Speaker 2>which doesn't sound likely even if Louisvill wins tonight, he

468
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<v Speaker 2>would be off of the ankle two weeks. In those

469
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<v Speaker 2>two weeks, I mean, is it. I mean it's not

470
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<v Speaker 2>a scenario where he's just sitting around and they just say, okay,

471
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<v Speaker 2>go give it a go, Like, what what's it?

472
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<v Speaker 3>What's it? What's the process like to kind of determine.

473
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you know, yes, he's going to be in pain,

474
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<v Speaker 2>and initially when you're when you're getting you know, when

475
00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:38.119
<v Speaker 2>you're getting going, there's gonna be some clear discomfort. But like,

476
00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:41.359
<v Speaker 2>how do you how do you navigate knowing? Okay, yeah,

477
00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:43.440
<v Speaker 2>it's not you're not one hundred percent, but you're probably

478
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<v Speaker 2>good to go.

479
00:20:46.039 --> 00:20:47.000
<v Speaker 6>Well, you're you're in.

480
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<v Speaker 5>You know, you're keeping in at the max threshold he

481
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<v Speaker 5>can possibly operate at.

482
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<v Speaker 3>You're challenging the pain, right.

483
00:20:54.799 --> 00:20:56.880
<v Speaker 6>You're challenging him. Yeah, you're challenging him.

484
00:20:57.279 --> 00:21:00.440
<v Speaker 5>You're not just worried about pains, obviously very important, but

485
00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:02.799
<v Speaker 5>you're really more worried about the function of the ankle,

486
00:21:02.839 --> 00:21:04.839
<v Speaker 5>how stable it is, how well he can push on.

487
00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:06.880
<v Speaker 3>How vulnerable it is to potentially roll again? Right?

488
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<v Speaker 6>Correct?

489
00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:08.519
<v Speaker 3>Gotcha? Yes?

490
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<v Speaker 5>Because it's the risk reward, Like if you if if

491
00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:13.279
<v Speaker 5>he's not gonna be able to play at the level

492
00:21:13.319 --> 00:21:15.359
<v Speaker 5>he needs to any it's no, then the risk of

493
00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:19.000
<v Speaker 5>him injuring it worse is not worth it, especially right now. Uh,

494
00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:21.960
<v Speaker 5>And so you know you're gonna, you're gonna Basically he's

495
00:21:21.960 --> 00:21:22.519
<v Speaker 5>a give and take.

496
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<v Speaker 6>You got to say, all right, it's not even worth

497
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<v Speaker 6>him going out there one.

498
00:21:26.039 --> 00:21:30.200
<v Speaker 5>He can't even operate in basic movement patterns without favoring it.

499
00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:31.680
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, would hurt you more than it would help you.

500
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, right, And so then it's like, well, and then

501
00:21:34.440 --> 00:21:36.079
<v Speaker 5>we got we're still in the tournament.

502
00:21:36.200 --> 00:21:37.480
<v Speaker 6>We still have things to play for.

503
00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:39.559
<v Speaker 5>Uh, we're gonna do what we can to keep him,

504
00:21:39.720 --> 00:21:42.000
<v Speaker 5>you know, allow him to heal as best we can,

505
00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:44.039
<v Speaker 5>knowing that he may not get to one hundred percent

506
00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:46.200
<v Speaker 5>even going into the NCAA tournament.

507
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<v Speaker 2>You mentioned risk reward, there's no real reward I think

508
00:21:49.359 --> 00:21:52.400
<v Speaker 2>for Duke to play Cooper Flag. I mean, they're they're

509
00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:54.880
<v Speaker 2>clearly wanting to win the ACC tournament, as any team

510
00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:58.000
<v Speaker 2>is that's left. But they really wouldn't change their situation

511
00:21:58.079 --> 00:22:00.039
<v Speaker 2>at all. They're one seed regardless of what happens, and

512
00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:02.039
<v Speaker 2>so he's not going to play tonight. I would imagine

513
00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:05.000
<v Speaker 2>they'll sit him out tomorrow. But just for those who don't,

514
00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:07.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, this was of course a big topic yesterday

515
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<v Speaker 2>because Cooper Flag is gonna be the number one pick

516
00:22:09.480 --> 00:22:11.799
<v Speaker 2>in the draft, a sensational player, and the visual off

517
00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:13.880
<v Speaker 2>his ankle looked really bad. I mean I thought it

518
00:22:13.920 --> 00:22:16.519
<v Speaker 2>could have been super severe, and who knows, when he's back. However,

519
00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:19.839
<v Speaker 2>when they say they got imaging and it's negative, what

520
00:22:19.880 --> 00:22:21.640
<v Speaker 2>are they looking for when when they do that right

521
00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:22.240
<v Speaker 2>right away?

522
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<v Speaker 5>Likely a fracture, you know, the because my assumption is

523
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<v Speaker 5>they probably did an X ray. You know, I'd have

524
00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:32.880
<v Speaker 5>to see if they didn't MRI. But they're they're looking

525
00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:36.279
<v Speaker 5>for tendon rupture. Well not in an X ray X ray,

526
00:22:36.279 --> 00:22:38.039
<v Speaker 5>they're looking for a fracture. But then they're also looking

527
00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:39.599
<v Speaker 5>if they're into him a RI. You know, did he

528
00:22:39.680 --> 00:22:41.480
<v Speaker 5>rupture any tendons? Did they do it?

529
00:22:41.559 --> 00:22:43.480
<v Speaker 6>Is there a fracture there in certain areas.

530
00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:44.599
<v Speaker 5>That you may may not be able to see on

531
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<v Speaker 5>an X ray? What's the significance of the ligament damage?

532
00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Uh?

533
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<v Speaker 6>They can taken kind of gauge, you know, how bad.

534
00:22:51.559 --> 00:22:55.319
<v Speaker 5>Of an ankle spring, So ligament tears are graded out one,

535
00:22:55.400 --> 00:22:57.720
<v Speaker 5>two and three, three would be like a rupture.

536
00:22:58.319 --> 00:22:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

537
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<v Speaker 5>And so that they were looking to see that guy

538
00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:03.000
<v Speaker 5>gives him more of a structure issue.

539
00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:05.799
<v Speaker 6>You know, he had an inversion spray. So it was

540
00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:07.799
<v Speaker 6>a lateral ankle sprain, is what that is. So those

541
00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:10.640
<v Speaker 6>are usually usually less.

542
00:23:10.400 --> 00:23:12.599
<v Speaker 5>Problematic than the ones we all you know, we always

543
00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:14.680
<v Speaker 5>hear about with the high ankle sprain where you're worried

544
00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:17.799
<v Speaker 5>about the bones separating in our in our lower leg,

545
00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:20.519
<v Speaker 5>which is creates a lot of instability. In fact, you

546
00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:23.599
<v Speaker 5>can't even wait there if it's bad enough, So you

547
00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:25.599
<v Speaker 5>know that's what they're doing. And then basically like if

548
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<v Speaker 5>it's I mean, you know, it's not like your a

549
00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:30.119
<v Speaker 5>cl if your ligaments are torn in your ankle. That

550
00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:32.680
<v Speaker 5>happens to basketball players all the time. Now it's like, hey,

551
00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:34.799
<v Speaker 5>that's the same thing with rain. Let's get him, Let's

552
00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:37.240
<v Speaker 5>get the inflamation down, the pain, let's get the stability back,

553
00:23:38.400 --> 00:23:40.319
<v Speaker 5>and let's start being aggressive and so we.

554
00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:41.880
<v Speaker 6>Can get him back as soon as we possibly can.

555
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when it comes to the you know, the a

556
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<v Speaker 2>guy like Cooper Flag, who is he's just built different.

557
00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:54.480
<v Speaker 2>Clearly he's a very gifted, gifted individual. But I'm and

558
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<v Speaker 2>I'm mate to put you on the spot. Did you

559
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<v Speaker 2>see the replay of his ankle?

560
00:23:57.640 --> 00:23:57.960
<v Speaker 6>I did?

561
00:23:58.079 --> 00:24:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I mean, I'm just I just want to pick

562
00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:01.440
<v Speaker 2>your brain a little bit. I mean, there's no way

563
00:24:01.480 --> 00:24:03.680
<v Speaker 2>to know. Not everybody's the same, right. A visual can

564
00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:06.480
<v Speaker 2>look super scary, could look super dangerous, and it and

565
00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:08.079
<v Speaker 2>it just doesn't end up being it just it's not

566
00:24:08.119 --> 00:24:10.119
<v Speaker 2>everybody's the same. But when you saw that, I mean,

567
00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:12.160
<v Speaker 2>were you of the opinion that that looked to be

568
00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:14.400
<v Speaker 2>potentially real, I mean real bad.

569
00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:18.200
<v Speaker 6>Well, it look like a really bad ladderal ankle spring.

570
00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:21.160
<v Speaker 5>And you know, and I guess for us, it's I

571
00:24:21.160 --> 00:24:23.839
<v Speaker 5>would much rather see that than other things. Uh Okay,

572
00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:26.880
<v Speaker 5>you know I was a little concerned about like a fracture.

573
00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:32.519
<v Speaker 6>But you know, generally speaking, you're gonna.

574
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<v Speaker 5>I hate to say this, but when they go to

575
00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:37.960
<v Speaker 5>unless it's real mild, when they go to slow that down,

576
00:24:38.599 --> 00:24:41.000
<v Speaker 5>you can if it's a bad fracture, we've all seen it, right,

577
00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:42.039
<v Speaker 5>you can start to see it.

578
00:24:42.519 --> 00:24:42.880
<v Speaker 6>Uh.

579
00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:45.599
<v Speaker 5>So, you know, I don't get a hung up on

580
00:24:46.119 --> 00:24:50.079
<v Speaker 5>bad lateral ankle springs. It happens, they look gross, But generally,

581
00:24:50.119 --> 00:24:52.480
<v Speaker 5>if everything's you know, he doesn't dislocate, like the ankle

582
00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:55.160
<v Speaker 5>doesn't dislocate or something like that, it's just a matter

583
00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:56.599
<v Speaker 5>of like, hey, we gotta.

584
00:24:56.920 --> 00:24:58.400
<v Speaker 6>You know, we gotta get rolling now.

585
00:24:58.839 --> 00:25:01.079
<v Speaker 5>You know, this isn't gonna be a long term issue

586
00:25:01.279 --> 00:25:04.359
<v Speaker 5>most likely, and so once the imaging comes back there's

587
00:25:04.359 --> 00:25:06.240
<v Speaker 5>no fractures or nothing like that, it's go time.

588
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<v Speaker 3>Doctor Eric Macroepprop.

589
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<v Speaker 2>We have physical therapies our guests joining us here on

590
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<v Speaker 2>Sports Talk seven ninety.

591
00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:12.519
<v Speaker 3>It is that time of the year.

592
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<v Speaker 2>We had the last week it was the Whiskey Row

593
00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:18.359
<v Speaker 2>five k, and now we've got the Derby City ten k,

594
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<v Speaker 2>the Louisville ten milers coming up later this month, the

595
00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:22.839
<v Speaker 2>Mini marathon before too long. Each time, each time we

596
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<v Speaker 2>get to this point of the year, I always ask

597
00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:27.279
<v Speaker 2>you to give give folks some training tips as far

598
00:25:27.319 --> 00:25:29.079
<v Speaker 2>as getting set, because I know some of some folks

599
00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:31.400
<v Speaker 2>have already started doing the other races, but obviously there's

600
00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:33.559
<v Speaker 2>some that are maybe getting set to around the ten miler,

601
00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:36.720
<v Speaker 2>maybe doing the mini marathon. What advice would you give

602
00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:38.960
<v Speaker 2>those who, you know, maybe they haven't done one of

603
00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:40.799
<v Speaker 2>these in a long time, maybe they've never done it before.

604
00:25:42.119 --> 00:25:44.519
<v Speaker 5>The biggest advice we give right now, because they're kind

605
00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:48.359
<v Speaker 5>of getting into their peak training is, you know, don't

606
00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:52.480
<v Speaker 5>be afraid to to take a day off or to recover.

607
00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:56.279
<v Speaker 5>Don't feel like a lot of people get caught, especially

608
00:25:56.279 --> 00:25:58.559
<v Speaker 5>more of our novice runners, that they have to stay

609
00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:02.079
<v Speaker 5>on the program and if they deviate from the program,

610
00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:03.960
<v Speaker 5>it's going to impact their performance.

611
00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:07.400
<v Speaker 6>And that's not always the case. Overtraining will definitely impact

612
00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:09.440
<v Speaker 6>your performance. Injuries will one.

613
00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:13.039
<v Speaker 5>Impact your performance. So we always say, like, if your

614
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:16.039
<v Speaker 5>body you feel like you're having a hard time recovering,

615
00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:21.799
<v Speaker 5>which means you're sore, abnormally store it, lingers, you're having

616
00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:25.920
<v Speaker 5>kind of abnormal aches and pains that don't recover very quick,

617
00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:28.519
<v Speaker 5>which is like in the first twenty four to forty

618
00:26:28.559 --> 00:26:31.920
<v Speaker 5>eight hours, and you try rests and you know, different ice,

619
00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:34.839
<v Speaker 5>whatever it may be, and and you know, things like that,

620
00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:36.319
<v Speaker 5>and you're still lingering.

621
00:26:36.680 --> 00:26:37.720
<v Speaker 6>Take some time off.

622
00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:40.839
<v Speaker 5>It's not going to kill your your race, but you

623
00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:43.440
<v Speaker 5>just can't. You don't want that stuff to compound. And

624
00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:45.359
<v Speaker 5>then the other thing is just making sure that you're

625
00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:49.599
<v Speaker 5>you know, you're fueling your body appropriately. You're training for

626
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:53.039
<v Speaker 5>a race, you're not training to lose weight, so you know,

627
00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:55.279
<v Speaker 5>you don't you want to make sure you're matching your

628
00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:59.559
<v Speaker 5>caloric intake with their level of training, uh, because again

629
00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:03.039
<v Speaker 5>that can also lead to injuries and uh and and

630
00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:06.240
<v Speaker 5>and also really crash your performance, uh if you're not

631
00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:09.240
<v Speaker 5>you know, keeping up with your your fuel. So those

632
00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:11.319
<v Speaker 5>are the main things right now that we probably spend

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<v Speaker 5>the most time educating people because we started to see

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<v Speaker 5>him coming in with these.

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<v Speaker 6>Little eights and pains.

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<v Speaker 5>Sure, and they just get s super nervous and have

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<v Speaker 5>high anxiety around you know, you know, having to take

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<v Speaker 5>time off, I think it's the end of the world.

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<v Speaker 6>So and it's not. You know, usually don't lose it

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<v Speaker 6>that fast.

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<v Speaker 2>Eric is always You're the man. I appreciate you making

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<v Speaker 2>time for us. Have a great weekend and we will

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<v Speaker 2>talk soon. My friend awesome Nick, Go cards, Go cards.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, Doctor Eric mclroy PROI of physical therapy, always

645
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<v Speaker 2>appreciate his time and he's right, Go cards. So we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna actually get this thing wrapped up earlier than usual today.

647
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<v Speaker 2>We've got to get out of here for some programming

648
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<v Speaker 2>that is coming up, so we only have a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of minutes left. But you know, tonight's match up with

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<v Speaker 2>this Clemson team that I you know, this is. This

651
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<v Speaker 2>is just how twisted I am when it comes to

652
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<v Speaker 2>just overthinking this stuff because I care so much, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't feel like I have actual I've respected Clemson

654
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<v Speaker 2>and Brad Brown well a whole lot in the last

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I haven't like disrespected them by any means

657
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<v Speaker 3>or maybe I haven't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember it, but you know, for the ACC

659
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<v Speaker 2>to be in the position that it's in, at least

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<v Speaker 2>they've been one of the good teams the last couple

661
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<v Speaker 2>of years. So I'm just worried, Austin that, like, is

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<v Speaker 2>this gonna be karma because I've never really treated them

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<v Speaker 2>like they're actually good? Are they gonna, you know, come

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<v Speaker 2>out ready to play tonight? I hope not.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like underlining thought in the back of my mind too.

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<v Speaker 2>They're a good team that you really don't feel like

667
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<v Speaker 2>you should be scared of though, right, Like that's just

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<v Speaker 2>what they look like.

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<v Speaker 4>And are they are they mad from football or are

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<v Speaker 4>they wanting to get one back up on Louisville.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we got them both football, and we got

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<v Speaker 2>them when they came to the ump set. That's right,

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<v Speaker 2>That's what Chuckie had the Cuffsaw, wasn't it?

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<v Speaker 6>That was right?

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<v Speaker 3>That was cuff season.

676
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<v Speaker 2>So look, they they're good, clearly, and Brad Brownwell has

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<v Speaker 2>done a good job with this group that he has.

678
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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know, I just here's here's what has

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<v Speaker 2>kind of stuck out to me when I when I

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<v Speaker 2>think about this matchup. You know, this Clemson team. One

681
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<v Speaker 2>thing that really won't stand out on paper. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>any thing when it comes to analytics, and it may

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<v Speaker 2>not even be something that you notice unless you're paying

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<v Speaker 2>close attention. But what they don't do that makes them good.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't hurt themselves. They don't have a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>silly turnovers. They usually get high quality shots. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not loaded with talent, but they've got good enough players.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, clearly, they've got one of the best players

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<v Speaker 2>in the ACC and Chase Hunter, who's averaging sixteen points

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<v Speaker 2>a game. He was their leading scorer again last night.

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<v Speaker 4>And who's not hurt.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, correct.

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<v Speaker 2>The other Hunter is the one who's hurt, which you

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<v Speaker 2>know they'll miss him to an extent, but he's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>clearly he's a little more replaceable than his brother. And

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<v Speaker 2>then Ian Schaefflin probably the best player in the country

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<v Speaker 2>who doesn't look like one. And that's probably a really

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<v Speaker 2>mean thing to say, but I mean, Ian Schifflan, go

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<v Speaker 2>look at him. He doesn't look like a player, but

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<v Speaker 2>the guy he's good. He's averaging about ten boards a game,

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen points. I mean, he's been a big factor in

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<v Speaker 2>their success and he was a big factor last year

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<v Speaker 2>in their run to the Elite eight, So you know.

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<v Speaker 3>They they are.

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<v Speaker 2>They are a rare team to where there's really not

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<v Speaker 2>one specific thing that you're really worry about, like, Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you gonna do about their length? What are

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<v Speaker 2>you gonna do about their shooting? But they're solid in

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<v Speaker 2>all phases and they don't hurt themselves, and they also

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<v Speaker 2>will take advantage if you let them of your mistakes.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what's got me because again, Louisville lately, just

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<v Speaker 2>some silly turnovers I feel like could cost you tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>But we'll see what happens. Let's hope the magic continues heavy.

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<v Speaker 2>Good night, everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>Talk to you on Monday.