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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't

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Be Serious podcast. I am here with my co host

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and friend of Age's mister Jason Colvin.

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Speaker 2: It's upd I got my flannel ready, I got my

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ripped jeans.

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Speaker 1: I'm still wearing my tight leather pants at the butt missing.

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So we are here today with a rerun episode. But

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it is kind of to tie in some stuff. So

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earlier in this summer we did the Summer of eighty four,

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and then last year we had done some stuff from

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nineteen ninety one, and then our last two episodes were

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Terminator one, which came out in eighty four, and Terminator two,

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which came out in ninety one. And so we're going

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to tie all of those things together by jumping into

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some awesome albums that came out in nineteen ninety one.

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Speaker 2: That's right. The fall of ninety one was a major

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shift in the musical landscape. Yeah, and there's a lot

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of bands that I love that got destroyed in this shift.

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Speaker 1: If you don't remember the time, the first episodes of

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Herman's Head and tim Mittoolman Taylor were coming around this time.

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It was back when we still love Tanya harding before

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she had sought out help to break some knees.

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Speaker 2: Goal four. All of these things are going on.

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Speaker 1: So there's all kinds of fascinating stuff going on in

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the world, and the music industry was about to change.

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Speaker 2: And we're going to go through three albums. We got

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Metallica's Black Album, Guns and Roses came out with User

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Lusion one and Usual Lusion two.

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Speaker 1: And all of that will be coming in about two weeks.

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Right for this episode and for next week's episodes, we

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are going to do a throwback or rerun of our

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Nirvana never Mind episode, which has become an extremely popular

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episode for us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one of our best.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And also we're going to revisit the one we

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had compete against it, which is Pearl Jam ten, both

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of which came out in the fall of nineteen ninety

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one at the same time as Metallic Is Black Album

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and Use Your Illusions one and two.

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Speaker 2: There's some fascinating crossover between all of these bands too,

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like Nirvana hated Guns n' Roses and then Metallica hated

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Guns N' Roses.

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Speaker 1: Right this tiny little month and a half space time,

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there were some amazing albums that came out so I

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hope that you will listen to our old episodes and

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then join us in a couple of weeks for the

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new ones.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to dive into black and Usual Vision

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one and two.

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Speaker 1: But for today, here is Nirvana.

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Speaker 2: Never mind, yeah, fun, All right, let's go throw ourselves

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into the marshy. Yeah, even though we're in our forties,

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we can still marsh Sure it can.

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Speaker 1: Sure again, I'm gonna stage dive.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna punch you just for fun.

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Speaker 1: Did you were you ever? Did you ever experience a

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mutch bit? No? Oh yeah? Oh man, see this is again.

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You know we talked about in Raiders and Back to

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the Future, how the slight variation our age me two

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and a half years older than I am right, that

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slight variation can play a huge factor in certain, you know,

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spots in your life. You got to see Raiders and

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you have full recollection of it. I don't remember the

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first time I saw it. I have multiple memories of

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being involved in a mosh pit because in nineteen ninety

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one I was sixteen and you had gone to college.

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Speaker 2: And so it was an entirely you know, it was Yeah,

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that's for sure. Yeah, somebody bumps into me. I'm gonna

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have a problem. Yeah, hey man, what to do it?

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What's your problem?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Now, I was involved in several moss pits in

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my high school days.

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Speaker 2: That's funny.

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Speaker 1: Before we get going, I just want to point something out.

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We have been talking to each other now for a

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couple of years, face to face. And one of the

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reasons that I can do that is because you don't

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have nose hair. Have you been talking to people and

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like you can't even concentrate on what they're saying because

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of their nose hair.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, they like duck to you. It dangles, yes, it wiggles.

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Speaker 1: It's a total distraction.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And so let me let me say, if you

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Speaker 1: Those guys, we have a product that is supporting the

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podcast that you need to check out. Is called the

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weed Whacker, and it is from Manscape.

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Speaker 2: It is an amazing product. It trims your nose hair.

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It's not embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: You just stick it up there.

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Speaker 2: It taskes care of it. You're not gonna look at

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people and bother them, right, And I'm one.

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Speaker 1: Of those guys who's self conscious about my nose hair.

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So somebody that you're gonna see me and I'm gonna

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be like yanking them out and wincing in pain. Don't

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do that. There is a special thing that they make

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and they've also just released in addition to the weed whacker,

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they have just released something called the lawnmower if you

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have other areas of your body that you're looking to

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trim up. And I'd like to point out that a

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giraffe is easier to see in the planes than it

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is in the forest.

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Speaker 2: So that's wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes it is.

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Speaker 2: So it's very good around sensitive areas, if you know

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what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. They have also an entire shave kit called the

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Ultra Smooth Package package. You get the idea.

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Speaker 2: So who doesn't want their package ultra smooth?

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Speaker 1: Right? Right? So I don't forget to go to manscapes

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dot com and use the promo code fan sided twenty

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to get twenty percent off your order and free ship

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and whack it perfect time. So do you? Okay, we

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didn't talked about what we're talking about to day. Let's

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talk about this, okay, all right, So today we are

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again broaching the subject of two bands that changed the paradigm.

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Speaker 2: No doubt, there's absolutely no Doubt.

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Speaker 1: Is not one of the bands. I like No Doubt

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a lot, but there do not speak Okay, no, not

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No Doubt Nirvana, Nirvana and Pearl Jam. Yes, with their

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too what I would call debut albums. I mean, Nirvana

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had Bleach ten was definitely Pearl Jam's debut, but the

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albums that made them the household names.

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Speaker 2: For sure, and they came out basically at the.

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Speaker 1: Same time, Yeah, exact same time.

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Speaker 2: Pro Pro Jam preceeded Nirvana by just a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. Pearl Jam came out in August of

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ninety one, and Nirvana's never Mind came out in September

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September nine, twenty fourth, Yes, ninety one, September twenty fourth. Now,

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the single Smells Like Teen Spirit was actually released a

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couple weeks before that, so it is even closer than that, right, Yeah,

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the awareness of Nirvana probably occurred before the awareness of

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Pearl Jam, and so that's why we're tackling them first

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and then tackling Pearl Jam next week.

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Speaker 2: Right, So this week is Nirvana's never Mind. Yeah, let's

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just talk personally.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember what you were doing, what was going

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on when you when you heard something off of Nirvana's

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never Mind.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you and I have talked briefly about this.

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But in August of ninety one, I left for college.

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the University of Oklahoma, and I'm in the dorms. I

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don't have MTV. I've got the radio stations or whatever.

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me because I didn't have access to it like I

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Speaker 1: For never Mind, for smells like teen Spirit. I have

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a very specific memory. I don't remember what the field

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trip was that we were on, but we were coming home.

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bus ride. Who were coming home and this girl who

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and she's like, oh, have you heard this new song?

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and let me listen. So I'm listening to her headphones

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with her, and she's s getting toward the end of

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the song and she's like, it sounds like he's saying

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bloody nail, bloody nail at the end, and that was.

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don't understand what they're saying half the time. And so

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even when I hear it today, I still I still

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can sing bloody Nail to the end of this song.

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Speaker 2: Give me that special feeling, well that it does. Yeah,

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I would argue that this album had more impact on

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pop culture and any other album since Driller.

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it above Thriller. Wow. Yeah, I mean it was a big,

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big change, a big big change. They're close, but yeah,

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at the very least. So it started off. The band

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started off back in eighty seven. Kurt Cobain had been

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grown up in a town called Aberdeen, Washington, which is

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near Seattle, like one hundred and so miles away, but

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the scene and all that. It was not a hip town, right,

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and he had what a lot of kids grew up

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it turns out, those type of people connect, and he

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was also an Aberdeen guy. Actually got introduced to Chris

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through his brother Robert. Kurt had overheard Robert's band playing upstairs.

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got a punk band, And so that piqued Kurt's interest

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and his guitar teacher just looks like, I mean, you're

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going to talk about Aberdeen being different. He looks like,

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you're you know, your dad's drinking buddy. But he's He

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told him, he's like, hey, if you want to you know,

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my gosh. He took that to heart because he came

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back with songs with chords that didn't belong together. But anyway,

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join a band, gave him the demo tape that he

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Fecal Matter, and basically Chris just wasn't really interested and

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didn't listen for a few months, and then when he

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finally did listen, he's like, oh, okay, yeah, we could,

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we could do a band. Yeah, this would be all right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I don't think so. And that's there are

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several interesting names that they tossed around. Fecal Matter was

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one of them, obviously, and they had started a group

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called the Sellouts, which was a Credence Clearwater Revival cover band.

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was like, Okay, that has to be a joke. There's

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no way. No. It turns out you can find recordings

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of covering Bad Moon righting, Wow, yeah, wow. Yeah. But

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they thought, I want to have something that's in contrast

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to punk. You know, they didn't want to be another

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punk group, and so they picked a name that was

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absolutely truly. Though the name Nirvana is marketable, yeah, much

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more marketable than figal Matter the sellouts.

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Speaker 1: Skid Row, though, was one of them that that name

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amount of time to kind of develop his style. They

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guys who sub in, and when they ultimately end up

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doing well enough that they've got their own material and

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of underground album label called Subpop. Subpop's got its own history,

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which I don't have time to completely go into, but

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it's it is an interesting history. But sub pop was

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just a couple of guys who went to these concerts

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of these bands in Seattle, and Seattle was this kind

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of unique situation where other bands really didn't go there

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to tour and there wasn't really outside influences coming in,

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the Melvins, and they all knew each other. Like half

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of the crowd at any given concert was going to

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be other band members come to see other guys play,

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and they're very supportive and had developed their own sound.

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a member of the special club. We got some subpop albums.

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a guy who's a journalist for one of the major

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music magazines in Europe and they say, hey, if you

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want to hear the Seattle scene, come on over, and

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they get the money together to fly him out there,

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give him the tour of the shows of the bands

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that they've got signed. He goes back and writes an

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article in his magazine and suddenly sub pop is the

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new coolest thing and the Seattle music is super exciting. Yeah,

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with sub pop. Nirvana does their first album, which is

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called Bleach. On that album, they had a drummer named

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Chad Channing and he's not a bad drummer. But as

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our friend Arlen Bullard put it to me, if it

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wasn't for Dave grol Kirk Coban would be a barista

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in Seattle somewhere. I don't know if I'd get that far.

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But Chad Channing was good. He didn't have it. He

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didn't have a bad technique at all. He was a

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solid drummer, but he it was Adding Dave Girl to

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the band was a step of magic. Oh it's huge.

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bands in the world right now?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Right?

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Speaker 2: Dave Gold does, yes, okay.

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Speaker 1: And Dave Girl was this guy from Virginia who had

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he's quit high school to start playing in bands. He

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was drumming in bands and moved out to California to

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be more involved in the scene. And after Bleach and

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the tour with that album, they kind of said to Chad, hey,

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you know, you're not really meeting our standards, and so

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they had a few they went through a few other

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substitute drummers, and while they're going through that process, they're

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not really finding something that they super clicked with. But

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then they go to a concert with the lead singer

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Buzz Osborne of the Melvins. Go to a concert of

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this band called Scream, which is a hardcore punk band,

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and the drummer is a guy named Dave Grohl. Wow,

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and as it turns out, and they're like, oh, this

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guy's awesome. But then he's with another band. And then

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two weeks later, Scream disbands and falls apart, and so

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the drummer for mud Honey, he gets a call from

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Dave who's like, hey, my band just disbanded. You have

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anybody that I can hook up with? And he says, ah,

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you know, the guys from Nirvana are looking for a drummer.

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Dave flies up, they get together, they play, and it's

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magic instantly.

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Speaker 2: Whenever Kurt Cobain gets together with Butch Vig. Later he says,

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we've got the best drummer in the world, yep, and

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we're ready to go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. He says he has perfect metronome timing and he

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hits really hard. Okay. So Bleach had come out in

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nineteen eighty nine and They were touring still with Chad

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Channing at that time, but they decided they wanted to

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do another album. Subpop says, hey, you know, why don't

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we do an EP or something like that, and they're

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not really excited about that, But what ends up happening

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is they released this release, a single called Slipper. Let's

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say he wanted to try to produce the most marketable candy.

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Basically lame as could be a song that he could,

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but that was the most had the most appeal to

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the public, and so that was that was what he did.

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session by a group called Tad, and Tad had a

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lunch break and the guys from Nirvana, including Chad Channing,

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come in and they use the equipment of the guys

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from Pad and John and Dino, who's the guy who

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recorded Bleach for them, does this song. They do it

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over the lunch like Pad's sitting there eating their sandwiches,

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and they're in there for less than an hour, recording

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the song as they're singing, and so once that comes out,

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the Subpop says, Okay, hey, we think you should for

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your next album. You should use butch Vig, who's this

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guy out of Madison, Wisconsin, and he's got his own

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studio called Smart Studios. The band's turing at that time,

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so they say, all right, we'll stop, we'll do an

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extended stay in Madison where we're going to have a

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show anyway, and we'll go in and we'll record our

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second album. And so they've got several songs on there

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that are similar to the songs that end up on Nevermind,

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and one of them last, one of them makes it

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all the way through. But had they had a week

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to record, and about five days in, Kurt Cobain totally

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kills his voice singing lithium and said they can't really

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go on. Jonathan from Subpop flies out there and he's like,

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this sounds good. We'll come back in a few weeks

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and re record, right, and then they leave on their

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tour and butch Vig doesn't hear anything for the time.

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Speaker 2: Butch Vig was like expecting them to come back, and

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all of a sudden, it's like, well where are they.

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I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard from.

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Speaker 2: Him, but I did want to say this is I

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think very fortuitous for the band, because this is still

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too early I mean, nineteen eighty nine and nineteen ninety

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hair bands are still ruling the day. Yeah, and the

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world has not really tired of that yet. So let's

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talk about that for a second, offah, because we're talking

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about a revolution here, right, right. So what was going

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on at the time that these albums were released?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So September of ninety one, you had the top charts,

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had albums like color Meba, Marky, Mark, Boys to Men,

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Mariah Carey, Michael Bolton, Yeah, and the heavy.

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Speaker 2: Hitting Garth Brooks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the heavy hitting songs, like the metal songs that ever,

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I mean you had. It had completely changed the days.

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You know, we talked previously about Van Halen and def

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Leppard changing the way that music looked like. They made

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hard rock accessible to the general audience, right, and then

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it became what everybody wanted, and everybody was listening to

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hard rock, and the people who wanted more listening to

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heavy metal, and you had these bands like Motley Crue.

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Speaker 2: I mean, def Lappard, Bonjovizing, Cinderella, Poison.

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Speaker 1: Right, and so they aren't. It becomes a bigger and

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bigger thing. People more and more, and so then what

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became at first, a revolution becomes mainstream and you've got

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guys dressed in black leather, right, motorcycles around at strip clubs,

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and you're just like, this is this is where we

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are now right well for sure, And so what we

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have with never Mind is a reaction to that. Now

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a whole lot of the guys who end up being

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huge players in the here it comes, here's the word

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and ready for it.

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Speaker 2: Grunge grunge grunge.

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Speaker 1: Scene are guys who started off as metal players, but

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of course they did because that was the most popular music.

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And if you're in a band, you're gonna play music

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that styles that are popular. I mean, the idea is

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to do things that people want to listen to.

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Speaker 2: So Fall of ninety one, for me, this is just

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post doctor feel Good, which for me, I love the

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album huge fan, And this is in the gap between

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Hysteria and Adrenalized right, No deaf Leppard, right, and we're

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still waiting for Guns and Roses Fall record right, Use

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Your Illusion, which does come out I think in October

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of ninety one, so it's just down the road a

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little bit. But there's this kind of gap and when

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those guys are gone and when they return, it's different.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it is a. It is A. I said

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it before, I'll say again. It's pair. I'm shift because

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you look at those guys in the leather outfits with

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the big implanted girls and the big hair sprayed hair,

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and then all of a sudden, you got these guys

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with dirty, unwashed hair, dirty unwashed clothes, torn jeans, flannel shirts,

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and they are a completely different scene. And it's something

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that a whole generation of people were like, Yes, these

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are my people. So they recorded Bleach in thirty hours.

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It ends up being this kind of underground thing. Dave

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Grohl had heard it and was excited when they finally

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called him to be a member of the band. And

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they released Sliver, which is getting them more fame, and

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then they say, okay, we want to do a full album,

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and so Subpop sends them out to Madison they are

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recording with Butch Vig. When they come back, Subpop is

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having trouble and honestly, they're a new record label by

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two guys who've never made records before, so they didn't

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they just didn't know what they were doing right. But

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they had been so good at recognizing talent that major

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record labels were starting to court them to go, hey,

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how would you like to become a subsidiary of us?

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And so what happens is the guys from Nirvana go,

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why would we want to be with a label that

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is a subsidiary of a major label instead of just

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going to the major label ourselves. So when they sign

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with the major record label, you know, they have their

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own producers they want to use. But the guys are

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uncomfortable with this, and they're like, you know, we're this

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is our first time doing a big one of these things,

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and we really don't want to get pushed around. We'd

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really like you to call Butch Wig back and have

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him record for us.

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Speaker 2: I heard Chris talk about this, and he said that

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they were comfortable with Butch because he was patient.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so the record labels can see they say, okay, yeah, well,

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we'll let Butch Big be the producer on this one.

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He at least familiar with the music that's going to

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go on it. But we don't want it to be

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over there at Smart Studios want him to come out

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here to California, and so they end up going to

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this place called sound City. Sound City is a hole

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in the wall in the industrial district of Van Nuys, California,

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right where some of the greatest albums in history have

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been recorded. You've got Fleetwood Mac, You've got Tom Petty,

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Speaker 2: Young Fleetwood Max Rumors album was recorded.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they. You know, you walk into this

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place that looks like someplace where you be buying spare parts,

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and there are gold albums on the wall as you

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walk in, and there is a great by the way,

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there's a great documentary on this one that was directed

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by our friend Dave Grohl, because when sound City ultimately

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ended up shutting down, Dave's like, I'm going to go

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buy that soundboard. It had what was called the Nave soundboard,

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which was the big reason that everybody thinks that these

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albums were so well received is how good it sounded

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in the studio and from this soundboard that they have

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the needs need soundboard. So when it closed down, Dave

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girls like, I want that soundboard. I will buy it,

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and so he made a whole movie about sound City

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and then the process of getting the soundboard and moving

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it to his own personal studio. Cool. When they were

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going to end up recording in California for the major

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record label. The date kept getting pushed back and kept

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getting pushed back, and they were so excited to go.

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I had been practicing hard. They ended up having to

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do shows. Just imagine this when you think about the

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sales of the album they followed. They had to do

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extra shows just to get enough gas money to drive

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down to California and record it.

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Speaker 2: It's incredible. It's incredible, And once again, I think the

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pushback of the date is very fortuitous for the band

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because the world was not ready yet, not quite yet.

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Speaker 1: Maybe not.

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Speaker 2: This album costs about sixty five thousand dollars to make. Yeah,

472
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,599
that sounds right, which is I mean you compare that

473
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,799
to what Hysteria costs. Yeah, Hysteria costs five million dollars

474
00:24:12,839 --> 00:24:16,200
to make, sixty five grand to make this album. Yeah,

475
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,200
and then you base that on what it sold. I

476
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,319
mean right, It's it's incredible. David Gevin company only expected

477
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,640
to sell about two or fifty thousand copies of this

478
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:25,440
album total.

479
00:24:25,559 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, they only when they when they first produced the

480
00:24:28,279 --> 00:24:31,400
albums and this was albums, tape CDs, everything, they only

481
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:36,000
produced about fifty thousand of them. It's well, and you

482
00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:38,319
know The first song was supposed to the first song

483
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,559
off the album was supposed to be Teen Spirit, but

484
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,680
was because they expected it to be kind of laying

485
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,480
a base foundation and then they're going to release the

486
00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:48,920
Come As You Are and that was going to be

487
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,559
the big one. They had no idea that no idea

488
00:24:51,559 --> 00:24:52,880
smells like teen Spirit.

489
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 2: Hey, this is us. Get ready because we've got this

490
00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:57,240
other song called come as you Are. It's gonna be.

491
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: Great, right. But interestingly, when they first started, the album

492
00:25:00,599 --> 00:25:01,759
wasn't going to be called never Mind.

493
00:25:02,039 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 2: This album was originally supposed to be called Sheep, as in,

494
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,480
people who buy this are sheep.

495
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they we're just going to say this. They

496
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,319
had a definite idea about how they wanted this album

497
00:25:14,319 --> 00:25:17,680
to sound, and it wasn't like this album defines us

498
00:25:17,759 --> 00:25:21,680
as a band. They understood they had to build the

499
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:27,400
following first, and so their objective was to make children's songs, right,

500
00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:32,519
I mean, that's that is literally, Dave Grohl says, children's songs.

501
00:25:32,599 --> 00:25:35,839
They wanted to keep it as simple as possible, and

502
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,880
they wanted to have a melody to it, and their

503
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,839
formula was perfect.

504
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 2: It was perfect. And I'll say this, you know Kurt

505
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,000
Cobain talks about this, and we can get into this

506
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,960
later about his actual opinion of this album, but he

507
00:25:50,279 --> 00:25:56,160
had an ability to write Beatle like hooks for this album. Yes,

508
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,519
even though he loved punk, his talent really lied in

509
00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:00,680
making pop songs.

510
00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:03,079
Speaker 1: Right. He had grown up listening to the Beatles. He

511
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,440
had musicians in his family who would give him Beatles

512
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,200
albums as presence, and so he loved the Beatles, specifically

513
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,400
loved John Lennon. But what he does is he takes

514
00:26:13,559 --> 00:26:19,960
this dissonant punk. He writes these very hooky melodies to

515
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,960
make I mean, his vision is to make this as

516
00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:26,119
palatable as possible to the masses. And so you get

517
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:31,079
these poppy melodies plus these heavy, roaring guitars and these

518
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:35,160
really hard drums, and you get the punk, kind of dysfunctional,

519
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,519
tormented lyrics.

520
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:45,519
Speaker 2: It's a great, great mixture. Okay, before we go into

521
00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:47,200
the songs, we want to talk about the album cover

522
00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:47,720
real quick.

523
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: Sure.

524
00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of controversial.

525
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but and it's also one of the most recognizable

526
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,880
album colure. It is history, and that's I was thinking

527
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,359
about that as I started looking at that particular aspect.

528
00:26:58,759 --> 00:27:01,480
You don't get that anymore. I mean, people don't go

529
00:27:01,519 --> 00:27:04,720
to the record store anymore, you don't flip through albums,

530
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,720
you don't have posters of album covers on your wall anymore.

531
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,119
It is it's dead, all right.

532
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,279
Speaker 2: So let's talk about the album cover. Okay, for those

533
00:27:13,319 --> 00:27:16,920
of you haven't seen it recently, it's a baby, like

534
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,799
a couple of months old baby who's actually swimming. Little boy.

535
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,680
You can see his little pepe and he's swimming after

536
00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:27,119
a dollar bill that's on a hook.

537
00:27:27,319 --> 00:27:31,519
Speaker 1: Right. The record label wanted to do something to cover

538
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:37,880
up or remove the penis, and Kurt Cobain was like, no, no,

539
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,359
And if you decide to cover it up, I want

540
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,640
it to be with a sticker that says, if you're

541
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,480
offended by this, you're probably a closet pedophilia.

542
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: Listen, I know for sure the Walmart in my hometown

543
00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:56,160
put the price sticker on it. I am not kidding you.

544
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, oh my word.

545
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: So little boys pepee was covered up by thirteen ninety

546
00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:04,240
nine Walmart.

547
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:05,319
Speaker 1: It's twenty eight years old.

548
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 2: Now, it's crazy. Why Babe zoom zizas.

549
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know we're going to jump into the

550
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,079
album here and we'll talk about things as we go through.

551
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,680
But tell me what happened when we decided to do

552
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,640
this episode and you started listening to Nevermind.

553
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,799
Speaker 2: Okay, So for me, before this episode started, I was

554
00:28:28,839 --> 00:28:31,839
obviously super familiar with smells like teen Spirit. Yeah, I

555
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,680
knew Lithium, my New End Bloom, all the singles, all

556
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,039
the singles, right, I knew Come as You Are, But

557
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,440
I had not listened to the album. And part of

558
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,519
the joy of doing this podcast, we really do do

559
00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:43,240
a deep dive and we do our research and we

560
00:28:43,319 --> 00:28:45,640
get into it and I listened to it, and this

561
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,720
album is really, really good. I enjoyed it getting to

562
00:28:50,759 --> 00:28:53,640
know it. It makes me so happy, you know, It's

563
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,359
it's one of the fun parts of the things we

564
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:55,680
do here.

565
00:28:55,759 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, As I had that experience with Pyromania, I

566
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,759
did not expect to enjoy it at all, and I

567
00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:04,880
ended up being surprisingly surprised and liked it even better

568
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,240
than than Hysteria, which I had grown up with.

569
00:29:09,319 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: That's incredible, And when we compare these two, it'll be

570
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,359
interesting to see where both of uslide. But I found

571
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,720
most of this album very, very listenable, very I mean,

572
00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:25,880
it's hard, it's edgy, it's guitar, raging guitar and screaming

573
00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:30,440
lyrics yep, but not screaming. I mean he sings them.

574
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:31,519
It's just no, there's.

575
00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: A lot of yeah. So the guy from one of

576
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,359
the guys from Sonic Youth described his voice as toxic glue,

577
00:29:40,079 --> 00:29:42,119
which is really I mean, it's just it's like his

578
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,839
voice captures you, but it's it's so gravelly and rough

579
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,400
and then it's sweet at times in the right moments.

580
00:29:50,839 --> 00:29:53,000
Dave Girl said, it sounds like you're boiling nails.

581
00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:55,559
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's so it's got so much emotion

582
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:56,000
into it.

583
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:56,559
Speaker 1: Huh.

584
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:57,559
Speaker 2: That pulls me in.

585
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

586
00:29:58,039 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: Whenever I listen to like, people are like, I hate it.

587
00:30:01,759 --> 00:30:03,799
I turned off, can't stand it. This is not that.

588
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,599
Speaker 1: No, this is the melody You're the Sheep. It's hard

589
00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:10,079
seeing I'm the sheep too, totally the sheep on this

590
00:30:10,119 --> 00:30:18,759
We are the Sheep. I had never listened to this

591
00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:19,799
album beginning to end.

592
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: Okay, I owned ten.

593
00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: Ten was something that was I mean, that's been a

594
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,400
part of my life for nearly thirty years now, but

595
00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:30,400
never mind, I knew the singles. Had never listened to

596
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,359
the album, had that same experience that you did, where

597
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,680
I'm like, okay, let's put on the headphones and see

598
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,119
how this goes. And four measures into the song, I'm like,

599
00:30:39,599 --> 00:30:43,079
holy crap, but didn't realize how good this was. And

600
00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:47,839
then five songs in, I'm like, holy crap, this is unstoppable.

601
00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:52,440
This is amazing. It is truly an amazing album. And

602
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,200
for anybody who's listening who hasn't done that, who hasn't said, Okay,

603
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,119
I'm just gonna sit down and listen to this album

604
00:30:58,119 --> 00:30:58,960
from beginning to end.

605
00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: Do it now?

606
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, well not now, wait till we're done, then go

607
00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:03,799
do it.

608
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,559
Speaker 2: I would say that this is more of a shocker

609
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,440
with me knowing us, knowing you and knowing me.

610
00:31:09,559 --> 00:31:10,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was surprised.

611
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,519
Speaker 2: I wasn't expected to like it as much as I did.

612
00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: Here we go, we're jumping in.

613
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: Let's do it.

614
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: Let's jump in with both feet, and of course save

615
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,440
the best for first. Smells Like Teen Spirit?

616
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: All right, Smells Like Teen Spirit was released. It's the

617
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,240
first single off the album.

618
00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:33,559
Speaker 1: Yes.

619
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:36,799
Speaker 2: The single was released August twenty seventh, nineteen ninety one.

620
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:38,920
And like we had talked about earlier, this was an

621
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,480
unexpected success, right right, They really thought that Come as

622
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,200
You Are was going to be their big mainstream hit.

623
00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:48,960
This is often marked as the spot that grunge went mainstream.

624
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:50,640
So let's talk about the song for a second.

625
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: Okay.

626
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:54,319
Speaker 2: When it starts, yes, I mean, just the great guitar

627
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,680
right there, and then lean guitar, the drums just blow up,

628
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,079
yes and yeah, and then as we're singing, he's talking

629
00:32:03,079 --> 00:32:04,920
about stuff I don't really understand.

630
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: Before you get even to the words, you have that boom,

631
00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:10,799
the boom of the drums and then the boom of

632
00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:13,880
the guitar that comes in, which you're just like, holy cow.

633
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,920
Because you if you've listened to him from sub sub pop,

634
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,000
if you've listened to him from Bleach, and you hear

635
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:22,039
this kind of raspy, change the chain kind of guitar,

636
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,880
you're like, okay, ready for another underground sound and then

637
00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:30,279
boom boom, and you were like, what am I? What

638
00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:32,759
am I listening to? And so this this goes to

639
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:35,799
the fourth member of the band, butch Vig absolutely this

640
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,839
is absolutely his baby and his contribution. I mean, yes,

641
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,079
it's a great song, but they had this idea of

642
00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:45,119
how they wanted it, and they wanted it bare bones

643
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,599
and butch Big was like okay, and then commenced tricking

644
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,640
them into playing multiple tracks so that he could put

645
00:32:51,640 --> 00:33:05,400
it all together into a sound like no one's heard before.

646
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: You talk about double tracking, because before I study this,

647
00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:17,000
I didn't really know what that was.

648
00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:21,559
Speaker 1: So double tracking is basically with vocals, it's you sing,

649
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,839
You sing the vocals, and then you sing the vocals again,

650
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,359
and your voice because even though it you know, it's

651
00:33:28,359 --> 00:33:31,160
still your voice, you're not ever singing it the same

652
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,119
way exactly twice. So it creates this chorus effect on

653
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:40,039
your voice. And so with that particular aspect, Butch Vig

654
00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:42,200
would be like, Okay, Kurt, we're going to do a

655
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,480
double track. Listen. Churs like, I don't really like it

656
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:47,960
just being one. He's like John Lennon did it, Okay,

657
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,400
I'll do it. And he appealed to this, I mean

658
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,400
because he's I mean, all of these songs I can

659
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,240
hear now, knowing his love for the Beatles, I can

660
00:33:56,279 --> 00:33:59,720
listen and go, okay, yeah, I can actually hear some

661
00:33:59,799 --> 00:34:01,920
of the those melodies that a lot of style of

662
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,400
the Beatles finds its way in and the bands that

663
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,559
you're yelling you're talking about yell into the microphone and

664
00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:09,360
the ra those guys were reacting to the Beatles. I mean,

665
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,440
they're they're still like trying to get away from that.

666
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,480
But Kurt embraced it. And Butch, who is a pop

667
00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:17,599
guy anyway. By the way, Butch fig is also a

668
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:21,559
member of the band Garbage, which as a song figures

669
00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:25,559
heavily in Captain Marvel as does the Nirvana soon as

670
00:34:25,559 --> 00:34:29,360
you Are Yeah yeah. Before he does that, he's recording nevermind,

671
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,920
convinces Kurt to double his voice.

672
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,639
Speaker 3: It's too bad acotagers.

673
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: And he was great at double tracking. He would just

674
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,599
run down to take into another taken. They always locked

675
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:42,519
up really really well.

676
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,079
Speaker 2: I'm a scater, not bad.

677
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,119
Speaker 1: And then figures out, hey, Dave can actually sing some

678
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:53,559
harmonies here, and he can, he can do a course, yeah,

679
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:56,320
and their voices sound really good together, right right, And

680
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,519
so he's like, okay, this sounds good, but hey, if

681
00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:04,320
doubled Kurt's voice right as well? Double right, And so

682
00:35:04,599 --> 00:35:07,920
that's how you get this really around. You know, you

683
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,639
you're hearing it and you just think this is a

684
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,039
raw But as it turns out, a little bit of

685
00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:15,480
production is not a bad thing. Then what happens with

686
00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:19,119
the guitars is he he records Kurt and he just

687
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:21,920
lies to him. He's like, yeah, that that didn't come through, right,

688
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,039
There's something wrong with the soundboard something, And so Kurt

689
00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:28,320
plays it on not only multiple times, but on multiple

690
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,920
different guitars with different effects pedals, and Butch weaves all

691
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:38,199
of those things together so beautifully. It's just it's amazing.

692
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,639
Speaker 2: Let me just say this. I'm not a producer, okay,

693
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,760
and really I'm not even a musician. But I listened

694
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,320
to Bleach, Yes, I listened to Nevermind. Yes, Butch Vig

695
00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:49,840
is hugely.

696
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: Impactful on this album, no question about it. It's kind

697
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,679
of like the Mutt laying effect.

698
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:57,119
Speaker 2: It is like the fourth member of the band.

699
00:35:57,199 --> 00:35:58,079
Speaker 1: He really is.

700
00:36:08,519 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 2: Okay, I got something for you. I think this is

701
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:11,679
gold nugget.

702
00:36:11,679 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: You're ready? Yeah? All right.

703
00:36:13,159 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 2: So the song title is smells like teen Spirit, which

704
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,519
is never said anywhere in the lyrics in the entire song. No,

705
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,000
just the title teen Spirit smells none of it in

706
00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:25,079
there of it? Okay, So where does it come from?

707
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:27,639
This is a great story. Kurt came up with the

708
00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:30,079
title when a friend of his name Kathleen Hannah, who

709
00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:32,679
actually was the lead singer for the band Bikini Kill,

710
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:37,280
wrote on his wall like graffitied his wall, Kurt smells

711
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,000
like teen Spirit. What she was referring to was the

712
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,960
fact that Kurt Cobain smelt like the deodorant teen Spirit,

713
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:49,000
which his girlfriend Toby Vale at the time.

714
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: Who was also in Bikini Kill. Yes, she's a guitarist drummer.

715
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:55,159
Speaker 2: So this is a reference to the fact that he

716
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,679
was rolling around with his girlfriend, but he came off

717
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:02,320
smelling like a deodorant dick, this Keen Spirit deodorant. Yeah,

718
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,559
and Kurt was completely unaware of this until after the

719
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:06,440
single was released.

720
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:09,679
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and that incredible story it is. It's fantastic.

721
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,559
Speaker 2: So you and I talked off air. This song is

722
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:19,920
the coming together of three perfect things. And we use

723
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,719
the word perfect a lot. But it had excellent production. Yes,

724
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,639
it was a great song. Killer vocalization on this song. Yes,

725
00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:31,039
And then the video is off the charts good.

726
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: It is fantastic. And the video was directed by a

727
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,039
guy named Sam Bayer, and he literally was at the

728
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:44,440
bottom of the list of guys at the record label

729
00:37:44,519 --> 00:37:47,119
was suggesting to direct the video. The way he puts

730
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:50,239
it is my demo reel was really bad, and that's

731
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,960
probably why I got the job, because they wanted somebody

732
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,719
who didn't make it look like a corporate video, and

733
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:57,559
that's what they got.

734
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 2: So here's the story behind that. They shot this video

735
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,360
on August seventeenth, nineteen ninety one. Two days before that,

736
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,719
they had played at a club called the Roxy in Hollywood, right,

737
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,119
and they passed out flyers and said, Hey, two days

738
00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:12,800
from now, we're going to be shooting a video. We

739
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,920
want all of you guys to come. So these are

740
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,360
all the people that were at that concert. Ye showed

741
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,840
up and proceeded to trash the place.

742
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 1: Well, what happened was Sam Bayer is yelling at everybody

743
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,559
with this megaphone, trying to get a good production. He

744
00:38:27,679 --> 00:38:31,360
makes them sit still for hours, like I had the

745
00:38:32,119 --> 00:38:34,480
I get to be an extra part in one in

746
00:38:34,519 --> 00:38:36,719
a movie and we had to sit there while he

747
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,880
did take after take after I can see how that

748
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,000
could get a little boring. U huh, right, And so

749
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,519
add on to that that I wasn't nineteen years old,

750
00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:49,960
and it wasn't in August at the peak heat season.

751
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,679
So they're frustrated and there and they're punk rock fans.

752
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 2: Right, These are not sit down and be straight, no

753
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:57,280
chris as.

754
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,199
Speaker 1: So at some point, some point Kurtz says, why don't

755
00:39:01,199 --> 00:39:05,719
you just let them go wild? And that is exactly

756
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,880
what happens. So the girls in the anarchy cheerleader suits

757
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:15,000
with the tattoos, Kurt's idea, the goofy janitor dancing along

758
00:39:15,039 --> 00:39:18,440
with Kurt's idea, and then when he says let's just

759
00:39:18,519 --> 00:39:20,840
let them, you guys want to mash, let's mosh and

760
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,840
they start playing and those kids go crazy. They literally

761
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,760
started tearing up the set. They destroyed it.

762
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: In the video, you can see Kurt gets like involved

763
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:34,639
in and he pushed and oh yeah.

764
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: So there's a couple of live videos out there that

765
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,400
you can see. One is of the first time that

766
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,880
they played smells Like Teen Spirit and Public, and it's

767
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,440
my favorite part. The lyrics aren't exactly the same, it's

768
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,920
definitely not that full sound that you get from the recording.

769
00:39:51,159 --> 00:39:54,880
But my favorite part is Kurt Cobain is saying.

770
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 2: Okay, this is a this is a song called.

771
00:39:57,159 --> 00:40:00,039
Speaker 1: Smells Like Teen Spirit, and somebody in their crowd he

772
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:03,800
goes free.

773
00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 2: Yes, oh I got that guy goes to every single

774
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:08,679
concert yeah.

775
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: And so before another video, before they had become the

776
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,480
big things that they were, they're still you know, still

777
00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:17,000
playing for decent sized groups of people, but it wasn't

778
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,880
stadium size. Is a video where they're playing on in

779
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,440
this bar. There's this bouncer you know that's in charge

780
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,920
of crowd control, that is literally on the stage with them,

781
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:29,559
like kneeling down on one knee, just glaring at all

782
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:32,400
of these kids, moshing, just ready to punch out whoever

783
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,519
tries to come on stage. And if you watch their videos,

784
00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:36,639
they didn't give a crap if people came on this stage.

785
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,360
He was expected. Yeah, I mean guys would get up there,

786
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,760
dance around, jump in the crowd. Yeah, I mean playing,

787
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,559
just playing, and but they would get involved too, and Kurt,

788
00:40:46,679 --> 00:40:50,000
like many musicians, would stage dive. And so in this

789
00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:55,079
video there's this heavy metal looking security guard guy glaring

790
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:58,880
at the crowd. Kurt body dives with his guitar into

791
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,800
the crowd. He's play in a little bit, but anyway,

792
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,559
as they start to push Kurt back up onto the stage,

793
00:41:04,639 --> 00:41:08,519
he starts to palm his face trying to push him away,

794
00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:11,320
which makes Kurt matt who then hits this guy in

795
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,400
the head with the butt of his guitar. So of course,

796
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,400
as soon as he's back on stage, this guy is

797
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,400
popping him in the face and he's going down, and

798
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,119
you see Dave Grohl jump out from behind the drums

799
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:24,679
to break up the fight. But it is to me

800
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,360
it was the defining video of Hey heavy Metal, screw You.

801
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:30,480
Yeah Yeah.

802
00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:33,199
Speaker 2: In two thousand and four, Rolling Stone named it the

803
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:38,039
ninth greatest five hundred songs of all time. It reached

804
00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:40,800
number six on the US Hot one hundred and still

805
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,159
today they're only top ten hit.

806
00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:44,559
Speaker 1: And they thought it might sell fifty thousand. This album

807
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:49,159
came out in September. By January of ninety two, it

808
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,960
knocked Michael Jackson out of the top spot.

809
00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:56,599
Speaker 2: I know that that was insane for an album that

810
00:41:56,639 --> 00:41:59,320
costs sixty five grand I don't know what dangerous cost

811
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,320
to make, but to knock the king of pop, the

812
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:07,800
iconic artist of that generation, out of the top spot. Yeah,

813
00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:14,719
three guys from nowhere Washington, right, it's incredible. I did

814
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,159
want to mention this. When he presented this song to

815
00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:19,559
his bandmates, Yeah, Chris called it ridiculous.

816
00:42:19,639 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: Yes, they hated it, and he said, okay, let's do it,

817
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,079
and they stood and they.

818
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,599
Speaker 2: He made him play for like an hour and a half,

819
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,840
same song, again and again and again, but slowly. Chris

820
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,880
played the riff slower and kind of molded that a

821
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:33,360
little bit.

822
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 1: Yep.

823
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,679
Speaker 2: They've changed the drums just to touch yep. And so

824
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,119
this is the only song on never Mind to credit

825
00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:41,320
all three band members as the writers.

826
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: Right well, that one in the hidden track.

827
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,679
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I can't wait to talk about that one.

828
00:42:48,159 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: Okay, what is this song? So at this point I

829
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,800
think that we have to talk about weird al Yankov. Yes.

830
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:06,239
So the guys played for Saturday Night Live nineties early nineties.

831
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,480
So Victoria Jackson is still on Saturday Night Live and

832
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:12,400
she comes into their dressing room and she's like, okay,

833
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,599
my friend, where all Yankovic wants to do a parody

834
00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:21,079
of your song? Is that okay? And they're like, yeah,

835
00:43:21,199 --> 00:43:24,920
you know the Chris Novaceelic also plays the accordion, and

836
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,760
so he was like, oh, I love I love Weird Yankovic.

837
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:29,639
Of course we could do.

838
00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 2: That's how you know you've hit it big?

839
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,119
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, okay, so next are we done?

840
00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:37,199
Speaker 2: I don't know if we can never fully be done

841
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:38,000
with smells like teens.

842
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:41,199
Speaker 1: I'm starting to smell a little bit like teen spirit myself.

843
00:43:48,679 --> 00:43:51,159
All right, So here we get to song number two,

844
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:56,920
which is about us. Okay, yeah, so in Bloom In

845
00:43:57,039 --> 00:44:00,360
Bloom is song number two, and he wrote this song

846
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:06,719
about people who don't understand the underground music scene, which,

847
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,440
you know, you got to think, how did he know

848
00:44:09,639 --> 00:44:13,119
what was going to happen before the album was released. Well,

849
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:17,280
he wrote this after Bleach came out. They started seeing

850
00:44:17,559 --> 00:44:22,079
a little bit of success with Bleach, and suddenly they're

851
00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:27,559
going to their concerts and there's all these extra people,

852
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,039
like they've oversold whatever small venue. You know, they were

853
00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:33,639
playing to three hundred people rooms at the time, and

854
00:44:33,679 --> 00:44:35,760
then all of a sudden there's people standing in lines.

855
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,800
And so this song is about all of those guys,

856
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,320
those posers, if you.

857
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 2: Will, who like their pretty songs.

858
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, who liked their pretty songs and like to sing

859
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,159
it a long but don't know what it means. Don't

860
00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:59,480
know what it means.

861
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 2: Okay, this song is awesome if it's not routine Spirit.

862
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,159
This is the best song the alb.

863
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,679
Speaker 1: I love it. This is a fantastic song and the

864
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,000
video is hilarious. Yeah it is.

865
00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:17,559
Speaker 2: Kurt mentioned that everybody was taking them to dagam seriously. Yeah,

866
00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:19,039
they wanted to show their sense of humor.

867
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: Yep.

868
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 2: And so they have this sort of Ed Sullivan like right.

869
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:27,119
Speaker 1: And do you know who the guy who Nirvana?

870
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 2: Do you know that guy Llewellen from People's Court?

871
00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: Nice? Hello, I'm Doug Lewellen, and welcome to the People's Court.

872
00:45:34,559 --> 00:45:37,199
Speaker 2: He's the guy who bugs everybody when they come out. Hey,

873
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,480
what do you think the judge thought? I thought he

874
00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:40,000
was terrible.

875
00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, they want to show everybody they had a sense

876
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,719
of humor, so they dressed up like the Beach Boys

877
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,320
and some Ed Sullivan show.

878
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:53,039
Speaker 2: Cute where.

879
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,199
Speaker 1: This was actually the second video for this song. I

880
00:45:59,199 --> 00:46:01,119
don't know if you knew this. They had a different

881
00:46:01,199 --> 00:46:03,320
video because this was one of the ones that came

882
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:08,719
from the sub pop days, and it was them like

883
00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:13,440
walking around in the city and Chris Novaselk had like

884
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,440
I don't know whether he had a bet with himself

885
00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:19,000
or somebody else, but basically it was like punishment to himself.

886
00:46:19,039 --> 00:46:21,320
He had played so poorly at one of their shows

887
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:24,400
that he shaved his head and so he's walking around

888
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,519
in this video with no hair and they're trying to

889
00:46:26,519 --> 00:46:30,199
intercut it with concert footage where he has here it

890
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,719
made any sense. So I'm really glad that they did

891
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,199
this crazy video, and they had shot they shot three

892
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,480
different versions of the video, some with them in dresses,

893
00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:40,679
and they had planned to do like this kind of

894
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,920
sneak one out and put another video in just to

895
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,440
throw people off. But what they ended up doing was

896
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:47,599
just splicing all of those videos together.

897
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,639
Speaker 2: Videos great, it's funny, but it's it's spout and the

898
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:51,880
song is awesome.

899
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,519
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, awesome song.

900
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: This song was their fourth single, released November thirtieth, nineteen

901
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,559
ninety two. Second track, fourth single, Okay, So I hesitate

902
00:47:01,639 --> 00:47:04,079
to do this. I hesitate to look at the lyrics

903
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:07,719
and try to offer some sort of interpretation because Kurt

904
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,360
Cobain said, you know, he's talking about all of the

905
00:47:11,679 --> 00:47:15,519
ideas about the lyrics, and they hated doing interviews right,

906
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:16,880
and didn't want to talk about.

907
00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: The meaning of their songs. They just wanted the songs

908
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,559
speak for themselves. He finally gets fed up and he's like,

909
00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:25,199
why in the heck do journalists insist on coming up

910
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,000
with a second rate Freudian evaluation of my lyrics when

911
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:35,280
ninety percent of the time they've transcribed them incorrectly. So

912
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:37,760
I hesitate to do what I'm about to do. But

913
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,599
just in my opinion, in addition to being about obviously

914
00:47:40,639 --> 00:47:42,920
about the guys who didn't understand their music who were

915
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,199
the adopters. But you know that I know is frustrating

916
00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:48,719
for him. The song starts off with sell the kids

917
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,719
for food. Whether it changes moods, Spring is here again,

918
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:57,000
reproductive glands, and I think it's just kind of again.

919
00:47:57,519 --> 00:47:59,280
You can put whatever spin on you want to, but

920
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:03,039
to me sounds like, hey, let's have another kid. We

921
00:48:03,079 --> 00:48:05,440
won't really care as parents. We're just gonna, you know,

922
00:48:05,639 --> 00:48:09,119
have another kid because our you know, the springs here

923
00:48:09,159 --> 00:48:11,159
and we're gonna have some kids and they end up

924
00:48:11,199 --> 00:48:13,440
being these jack offs that come to the concert.

925
00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 2: Dave Grohl actually mentioned this too. I was gonna tell

926
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,280
you this quote, he said, just seeing Kurt write the

927
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,440
lyrics to a song five minutes before he first sings them, Yeah,

928
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:26,599
you just kind of find a little bit hard to

929
00:48:26,639 --> 00:48:29,440
believe that the song has a lot to say about something.

930
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,760
You need syllables to fill the space, or you need

931
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:32,760
the rhymes. That's it.

932
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: The way that Kurt wrote music was melody comes first.

933
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:42,039
Music is first, then lyrics after, and not only in

934
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,880
chronological order, but in order of importance. The melody was

935
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,400
the most important thing to him, and then he would yeah,

936
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,480
he'd sit down and write the lyrics five minutes before.

937
00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:54,280
But we're talking about an affected guy, a guy with

938
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,119
some demons, for sure, and I think this was his

939
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,920
very simple way to exercise the demons, to put pen

940
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,000
to paper for these songs in Bloom.

941
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, great, five star, great songs.

942
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,079
Speaker 1: All right, all right.

943
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 2: The next track, third track on the album, is called

944
00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:15,039
Come As You Are. So their second single, Come As

945
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:17,320
You Are, released March second, nineteen ninety two.

946
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:22,119
Speaker 1: So this song comes in with this watery sound and guitar,

947
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:33,880
very fluid sounds. That's not the heavy hitting I mean,

948
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,519
we've had Smells eighteen Spirit and in Bloom just blowing

949
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:39,559
up in your face. And then this one is a

950
00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:42,760
much softer, smoother, different sound.

951
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,039
Speaker 2: It starts off slow and then it builds.

952
00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:49,119
Speaker 1: It's a slow, burned build. The heavy comes in, but

953
00:49:49,199 --> 00:49:51,679
it takes much longer than the first two songs.

954
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,519
Speaker 2: You know, we talked about this off the air, but

955
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,639
this song is featured in the movie Captain Marvel. And

956
00:49:57,119 --> 00:50:00,000
I've told you that sometimes when you listen to it

957
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:03,840
your car or through the television or something, you don't

958
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,760
really feel the power of the song. Yeah, when I

959
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,599
was sitting the movie theater, I felt the power.

960
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 1: Of this song. Right, there's an idea. Maybe we should

961
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,559
start something where we just play music videos at the

962
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:27,559
movie theater for two hours and let the sound system

963
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:28,920
like be like a rock concert.

964
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,519
Speaker 2: How awesome it was great, man, I blew my head up.

965
00:50:32,199 --> 00:50:36,159
Speaker 1: So this song. They were hesitant to release this song,

966
00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:37,679
and it was this was the one that they were

967
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,119
counting on to bring them to fame. It just turned

968
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:43,599
out that smells like teen Spirit actually brought them to fame.

969
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 2: Well, I was going to mention this to you. Yeah,

970
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,920
this song, the beginning of this song is very similar

971
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,079
to a song called Eighties by the Killing Joke.

972
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:53,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's listen to that real quick.

973
00:50:53,920 --> 00:51:05,159
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, that's really close to that one.

974
00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 2: That's close.

975
00:51:06,519 --> 00:51:11,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so the band Killing Joke was pretty upset

976
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:12,000
about this.

977
00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 2: They were clearly they thought Nirvana handled it poorly and

978
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,679
they were mad. And when you listen to it, it's

979
00:51:18,679 --> 00:51:19,639
pretty undeniable.

980
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: So they probably were hesitant to finally copyright infringement because

981
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:30,239
they also stole the intro music. There's a band called

982
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,159
The Damned who had a song called Life Goes On

983
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,880
And here's what that song sounds like.

984
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,199
Speaker 2: Wow, man, that is incredibly close.

985
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: Yeah wow.

986
00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:50,639
Speaker 2: Okay, Kurt Cobain could have got this motto from the

987
00:51:50,679 --> 00:51:54,719
More Hotel in Aberdeen, Washington. So the motto for this

988
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,760
hotel that he stayed at sometimes when he got kicked

989
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,599
out of his house was come as you are.

990
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, there's a couple of stories that go

991
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,519
along with this album that I want I want to tell.

992
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:09,920
The first one is his mom's story. So before this

993
00:52:10,039 --> 00:52:12,840
album is released, he comes back to that and we

994
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:14,960
you know, if you want to look at his history,

995
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,679
he was in and out of his mom's house, his

996
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:22,559
dad's house, his grandparents' house, friend's houses. But you know

997
00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:25,880
that he's gone on, he's become a man now, he's

998
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,400
in his twenties. But he comes back and stays with

999
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,760
mom for a while before this album is released, and

1000
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,079
she says, So he comes down that morning in his

1001
00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:37,880
tidy whities and he says, hey, I got the tape

1002
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,320
of our new album. You want to hear it, and

1003
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,199
she says, yeah, turn it up, because she likes her

1004
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,840
music loud, and so he starts playing it for her

1005
00:52:48,519 --> 00:52:54,039
and she starts crying, not out of proudness but out

1006
00:52:54,039 --> 00:52:57,920
of fear, and she says, you better hold on because

1007
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,519
this is going to change everything.

1008
00:53:04,519 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 2: Wow, that's an incredible story.

1009
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Butch Vig, Now, so before before he recorded Nevermind,

1010
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,639
he had done gish with the Smashing Pumpkins, which is

1011
00:53:13,679 --> 00:53:15,960
not a small a small thing. I mean, he'd done

1012
00:53:16,039 --> 00:53:18,760
hundreds of things, but I mean he's he's friends with

1013
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:23,639
Billy Corgan. And so after they finally mix and master

1014
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,280
the album, uh, he's got a tape of it too,

1015
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,440
and he's having a barbecue at his house right Billy

1016
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,719
Corgan's in the backyard et a hot dog or whatever

1017
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,199
those guys eat. So anyway, he takes the tape and

1018
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,280
he puts it in this crappy little boombox and sets

1019
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,559
it on the table and his play and goes over

1020
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:42,519
and starts cooking again, and he says, all of a sudden,

1021
00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:45,559
he realizes that nobody's talking. And he looks around and

1022
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,280
everybody has migrated over to the table and are just

1023
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:54,360
sitting around this crappy little boombox entranced and they listen

1024
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:58,960
to the whole album. It ends, tape clicks, a few

1025
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,320
seconds pass and someone says, can you play it again?

1026
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:03,079
Speaker 3: Wow?

1027
00:54:03,199 --> 00:54:06,039
Speaker 2: That's incredible man. Yeah. This reached number thirty two on

1028
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:08,320
the Hot one hundred stayed on the chart for eight weeks.

1029
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,039
In twenty eleven, Rolling Stone named it the four hundred

1030
00:54:11,079 --> 00:54:13,840
and eighteenth greatest song of all time.

1031
00:54:14,159 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 1: So the video for Come As You Are is much

1032
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:21,199
more surreal, different than their other videos, same director as

1033
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,880
several of them, but it along with that kind of

1034
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,760
watery guitar, they have this effect where there's water coming

1035
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,559
down in front of it, and then Kurt is like

1036
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:33,159
swinging from a chandeliers. Water's falling on him. The watery

1037
00:54:33,159 --> 00:54:35,440
effect is kind of clear to everybody, but it was

1038
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:41,400
another great video. And then Aberdeen, the guy's hometown. Now

1039
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,840
the introduction sign where it says Welcome to Aberdeen. Underneath

1040
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,119
that it now says come as you Are.

1041
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:51,679
Speaker 2: That is cool. Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah, all right,

1042
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,880
moving on to the next song. This song is called

1043
00:54:53,880 --> 00:55:10,960
Breed Bad Gom.

1044
00:55:11,079 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 1: The song probably rap.

1045
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 2: This song is good and it rips off with a bang.

1046
00:55:16,159 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 1: It Oh my gosh, that's a good song.

1047
00:55:24,039 --> 00:55:26,599
Speaker 2: This song was actually written in nineteen eighty nine and

1048
00:55:26,679 --> 00:55:29,519
recorded in April of nineteen ninety with subpop.

1049
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: But that's the subpop version is not what made it onto.

1050
00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:35,599
Speaker 2: No, No, they updated it for this one.

1051
00:55:35,679 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 1: So this song was originally called Emodium after the anti

1052
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:41,920
diarrheal version.

1053
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 2: They were touring with our buddies Tad.

1054
00:55:46,119 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tad, that's right, and the lead singer Tad will

1055
00:55:50,119 --> 00:55:53,920
tell me issue. So they decided to write a song

1056
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,239
called Emodium, but I'm glad they changed it. Breed is

1057
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,719
a much better better title to this song. This one.

1058
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,239
You know, we talk about the anthem for the apathetic.

1059
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,039
This is apathy at it's clearest, right. I don't care,

1060
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,039
I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I

1061
00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:10,880
don't care if it's cold.

1062
00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:19,039
Speaker 2: Good song, not great, but very enjoyable and solid, solid,

1063
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:19,840
solid track.

1064
00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, this is one of those ones that

1065
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:24,920
was a good new discovery for me because I hadn't

1066
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,440
had the album before. This is one that I was like,

1067
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,519
holy crap, this is really good. I was surprised they

1068
00:56:30,519 --> 00:56:32,960
didn't have this as a as a single. Honestly, I

1069
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,519
thought this was amazing. Deserving of a single.

1070
00:56:36,679 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 2: But it was really good, really solid.

1071
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: Yeah all right.

1072
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:47,519
Speaker 2: Next song, very popular song released July thirteenth, nineteen ninety two, Lithium.

1073
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:54,679
Speaker 3: I'm So happy got to day my friends in mind.

1074
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: So lithium was this drug that they used to true

1075
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:05,559
manic depression before, like prozac and stuff, and so I

1076
00:57:05,639 --> 00:57:08,679
think this kind of went along with some experiences that

1077
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,800
Kurt had had in his past. Obviously, mental illness is

1078
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:14,519
certainly a big factor there.

1079
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 2: God good song, very very popular song. This was the

1080
00:57:22,039 --> 00:57:25,239
tenth most played song in the decade according to Mainstream

1081
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,320
rock Radio one hundred and twenty three thousand times during

1082
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,920
the nineties. Really really good song though.

1083
00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:34,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So this song is about a guy who

1084
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:40,039
is dealing with suicidal thoughts finds religion and that saves

1085
00:57:40,119 --> 00:57:43,239
him from the suicidal thoughts, right, which goes along with

1086
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,119
that whole mental health thing. What plays a part in

1087
00:57:46,159 --> 00:57:49,599
the song is some of Kurt's own experiences. This one

1088
00:57:49,719 --> 00:57:51,880
was one that he actually wrote the song from beginning

1089
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,400
to end. It wasn't pieces of poetry or written five

1090
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,800
minutes before. He had this song when they were doing

1091
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,760
their sessions with which vig Over at Smart studios before

1092
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,679
they before they ended up in California, and this was

1093
00:58:05,719 --> 00:58:08,000
the one that tore up his voice. This is also

1094
00:58:08,039 --> 00:58:11,920
the one that caused the rift between him and Chad Channing,

1095
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,440
which led to them getting rid of him because he

1096
00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:18,280
couldn't get Chad to get the drum right.

1097
00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:22,239
Speaker 2: This sounds awesome, man. Yeah, he makes that. He takes

1098
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,599
the word yeah and turns it into a fist pumping

1099
00:58:26,119 --> 00:58:31,159
scream your head off, but yet perfectly great chorus, great melody.

1100
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:32,400
It just sounds really good.

1101
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: It's one of those hooky melodies for sure. Yeah. Absolutely,

1102
00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:40,159
And I found God, you know that concept. He actually

1103
00:58:40,159 --> 00:58:43,480
had stayed with a friend who was a Christian. Kurt

1104
00:58:43,559 --> 00:58:46,920
Cobain accepted Christ at that time and was a Christian

1105
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,519
for a time, but you know, later on was he

1106
00:58:50,719 --> 00:58:54,159
Christianity was not for him. He renounced it. But he said,

1107
00:58:54,239 --> 00:58:56,840
you know, if other people need God to be saved,

1108
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:58,920
then didn't they need it?

1109
00:58:59,079 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's his quote that I thought thought that was

1110
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:03,920
interesting too. Lithium is a song about a guy who

1111
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,679
turns to religion after his girlfriend dies. It soothes him

1112
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,719
much like a dose of actual lithium. I've always felt

1113
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,440
that some people should have religion in their lives. That's fine.

1114
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,760
If it's going to save them, it's okay. And the

1115
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:17,320
person in Lithium needed.

1116
00:59:23,159 --> 00:59:27,519
Speaker 1: So after Lithium we have Holly. Holly wants a Cracker.

1117
00:59:29,679 --> 00:59:33,679
I think go se That alls Polly was another one

1118
00:59:33,719 --> 00:59:36,719
of those songs that I had heard before, but when

1119
00:59:36,719 --> 00:59:39,719
I listened to it again, I was like, this is dark. Yeah,

1120
00:59:39,719 --> 00:59:42,920
this is creepy, and I'm listening to it and I'm like,

1121
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,360
this is an interesting perspective and I'm kind of thinking

1122
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,239
of this as an imaginary story. And then I was

1123
00:59:48,239 --> 00:59:51,360
today's years old when I learned this is based on

1124
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:52,000
a real event.

1125
00:59:52,159 --> 00:59:52,639
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1126
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, the guy kidnapped a girl after a punk rock

1127
00:59:55,800 --> 01:00:00,480
concert whose name was Polly's fourteen yeah, fourteen year years old,

1128
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:05,960
and he kept her captive. All things that come up

1129
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,920
in the song. But the thing that really spoke to

1130
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:14,039
Kurt about the song was that she decided to come

1131
01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:17,800
on to him and to you identify with him as

1132
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,559
a person in order to set herself up for escape,

1133
01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:23,280
and that was how she got away from him and

1134
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,760
how he ultimately got caught. Chris said that Kurt, really

1135
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,840
that really stuck out to him, which I may be

1136
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,239
over analyzing a bit here, But isn't that kind of

1137
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,360
what they did with this album? Like they had their

1138
01:00:35,639 --> 01:00:40,239
punk grunge sound that was underground sound, but they made

1139
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:44,119
an album that the masses could identify with so that

1140
01:00:44,159 --> 01:00:47,920
they would be adopted and be able to do what

1141
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:48,320
they want.

1142
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 2: Nice. Nice, I see what you're doing there.

1143
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, well interesting it seems.

1144
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 2: To be this song dates all the way back to

1145
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:55,719
nineteen eighty eight.

1146
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's a mistake in this song that they

1147
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:03,519
left in Kirk comes into early. When they listen to

1148
01:01:03,519 --> 01:01:06,920
it again, they're like, I kind of like that. You've

1149
01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:10,239
you've heard Jason talk about accidental drip, and accidental drip

1150
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:11,960
is something that I've talked to him about, but I

1151
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,960
don't know that we've ever talked about it in an episode.

1152
01:01:15,079 --> 01:01:18,079
But the accidental drip is when you are painting a

1153
01:01:18,119 --> 01:01:21,840
picture and the picture isn't quite right, and then a

1154
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,239
piece of paint or a drop of paint falls off

1155
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:29,199
the brush and hits the canvas, and suddenly the picture

1156
01:01:29,239 --> 01:01:32,639
comes to life just from that accidental drip. And so

1157
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,840
that this is one of those accidental drip moments.

1158
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 2: Okay, So that wraps up side one of never mind

1159
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,440
and we've talked. I mean, I mentioned a couple of

1160
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,760
weeks ago in our episode on Hysteria that I thought

1161
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:52,719
the side one of Hysteria was the best side of

1162
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:54,840
any album that we had covered up to that point.

1163
01:01:55,039 --> 01:01:59,000
This competes with that. I mean, you've got teen Spirit,

1164
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,199
you've got in Bloom, you've got come as you Are,

1165
01:02:02,679 --> 01:02:06,880
breed Lithium and Pollie. So hit stop on your tape player,

1166
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,480
kick it out, flip it over. Now we're going to

1167
01:02:09,679 --> 01:02:14,639
decide to Okay, this song, the first song inside two

1168
01:02:14,719 --> 01:02:16,920
is a song called Territorial Pissing.

1169
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: Yes. And here's the point in the podcast where Jason

1170
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,280
and I take different positions.

1171
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:29,519
Speaker 2: This song is garbage.

1172
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: Oh no, it is so good.

1173
01:02:31,519 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 2: It is crap.

1174
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,639
Speaker 1: If you've got if you've got a song that defines

1175
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:47,559
what the attitude and the aggression and the nastiness that

1176
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,719
Nirvana brought to the rock music scene, that is this song.

1177
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:59,119
Oh it's so good. I love it. I love it.

1178
01:02:59,199 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 2: Okay, this is where I become the old man. As

1179
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:09,440
soon as they start singing that out of tune, I'm like, no, no, no,

1180
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,960
this is definitely not pop production right here. No, this

1181
01:03:14,039 --> 01:03:18,360
is full on punk, which is not to my liking.

1182
01:03:18,639 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: Right, I can't say whether it's full on punk or

1183
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,920
not because I've never been a punk guy. Well, this

1184
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,199
is definitely If I was going to say this is

1185
01:03:26,239 --> 01:03:28,400
the punkiest song on there, yeah, I would say this

1186
01:03:28,519 --> 01:03:28,800
is it.

1187
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,039
Speaker 2: This is not the worst song on the album. The

1188
01:03:31,159 --> 01:03:33,760
song sucks. It is not the worst song on the album.

1189
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Yeah, keep going. Gotta find a way,

1190
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:36,840
a better.

1191
01:03:36,679 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 2: Way for as good as I enjoy his voice and

1192
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,039
how he strains it kind of leans on it in

1193
01:03:43,199 --> 01:03:47,559
teen spirit stuff like that. Yeah, it breaks on him

1194
01:03:47,559 --> 01:03:49,119
on this one, and it's no good to me.

1195
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's not doing that. He's not doing your

1196
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:55,320
hooky melody in this one. There's true melody. Just because

1197
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,000
you're paranoid don't mean they're not after you. I had

1198
01:03:58,039 --> 01:04:02,239
to think about that line for a long time. So

1199
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,760
this was not obviously not a single forum. I think

1200
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:08,679
this is probably one that their fans love, but probably

1201
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:10,320
not for the masses.

1202
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 2: We do agree, Yes, this is the type word the

1203
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:14,559
guy next to you punches you in the face just

1204
01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:19,360
because he's joying the concert. Yeah, I do not care

1205
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:23,360
for that. Please, Can we move on to the next song?

1206
01:04:23,559 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 1: Yeah? We can move on all right.

1207
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:30,559
Speaker 2: Next song is called Drain You No the says I'm

1208
01:04:30,679 --> 01:04:32,119
not you.

1209
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: This is another one. This one comes from his relationship

1210
01:04:45,079 --> 01:04:49,440
with Toby Vail yep, and the song starts off with

1211
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,519
one baby says to another, I'm lucky to have met you,

1212
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:54,960
and that was something that she used to say to him.

1213
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:58,000
But then shortly thereafter, it's my duty now to drain

1214
01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:01,559
you because that's kind of how he felt the breakup went.

1215
01:05:02,239 --> 01:05:04,239
But it's a good one. I like it.

1216
01:05:04,239 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 2: It's a good song. It's a good song. Kurk Obank

1217
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,039
claimed that this song was the equal or better than

1218
01:05:15,679 --> 01:05:16,280
teen Spirit.

1219
01:05:16,719 --> 01:05:19,559
Speaker 1: It does have that kind of pop hook to it

1220
01:05:19,679 --> 01:05:22,440
to me, it's it's got a very Allison Chains feel

1221
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,559
to it, the way that the harmonies are going, and

1222
01:05:24,639 --> 01:05:28,679
the chorus sounds a lot like Jerry Cantrell and Lane

1223
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:32,000
Staley to me. But it's just my thought. I don't

1224
01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:33,800
know that I would say it's as good as well.

1225
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 2: No way, no way, I'm going against the Kurt on

1226
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:42,000
this one. Dave Grohl actually compared this one to Bohemian Rhapsody.

1227
01:05:42,039 --> 01:05:44,920
He's kind of a goofball, right, But I gotta disagree

1228
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,039
with both of them. This is a good song. Yeah,

1229
01:05:47,079 --> 01:05:49,320
but there is no way it's as good as Teen Spirit.

1230
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: They're a little more proud of it than we are,

1231
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:58,159
I think. Okay, so next song on the album is

1232
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:06,760
Lounge Act. Another good song. Okay, So when I was

1233
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:10,360
a kid, I used to lay in bed and when

1234
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:12,199
I couldn't go to sleep, I would play with my

1235
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:21,920
voice and it sounded like that's what the beginning of

1236
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,840
this song is. And then you go into this really big.

1237
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,679
Speaker 2: Oathmallo.

1238
01:06:33,159 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: This is probably the poppyist to me, this is the

1239
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:36,920
poppyist sounding song on the album.

1240
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:40,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, it's got the same it's just solid guitars.

1241
01:06:40,639 --> 01:06:43,440
It's a head bobber. It's a good song.

1242
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 1: I like it. Yeah, not the best song on the album,

1243
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,119
just it's a song that you cruise on through.

1244
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 2: This is actually the tenth most favorite song by Nirvana

1245
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:55,840
fans really, according to Rolling Stone.

1246
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,639
Speaker 1: Okay, well it's a head it's yeah. I was gonna

1247
01:06:58,639 --> 01:07:01,199
say it's hooky. I got it, but didn't like it.

1248
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:02,280
Didn't blow my screwed up.

1249
01:07:03,519 --> 01:07:05,159
Speaker 2: Next one song called stay Away.

1250
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:09,239
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not a fan.

1251
01:07:09,519 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 2: I didn't like it. Really didn't like this.

1252
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: One all right, So just in case you might have

1253
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,400
forgotten whether Dave Girl can hit the drums hard or not.

1254
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:24,320
This song answers that question.

1255
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:25,679
Speaker 2: That's true, fast and hard.

1256
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is speedy, less hooky, but.

1257
01:07:34,679 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 2: And all these songs you can sing along to.

1258
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:39,159
Speaker 1: This is a song where this is another one of

1259
01:07:39,159 --> 01:07:40,760
the songs. I'm like, Okay, this is good. This is

1260
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:46,840
not one that I remembered, but definitely a good song

1261
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:48,199
to listen to. I don't have a whole lot to

1262
01:07:48,199 --> 01:07:48,840
say about it.

1263
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 2: It's okay, it's all right, okay, all right. Next song

1264
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,440
is called on a plane Stop.

1265
01:07:56,360 --> 01:08:07,599
Speaker 3: Words, got so scrapped it up, you know.

1266
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: Okay, So this one, to me, this is this is

1267
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,800
what I'm dissatisfied with because to me, this one almost

1268
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:18,159
sounds like the bands that came out after Nirvana that

1269
01:08:18,199 --> 01:08:20,960
were trying to sound like Nirvana. That's what this one

1270
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:21,600
sounds like to me.

1271
01:08:22,039 --> 01:08:24,119
Speaker 2: It is interesting. This one has a little bit of

1272
01:08:24,159 --> 01:08:28,680
the you know, that's stuff that you don't really expect

1273
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:29,479
Nirvana to do.

1274
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, this one is not mine. This is not in

1275
01:08:32,199 --> 01:08:33,560
my top Nirvana songs at all.

1276
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,159
Speaker 2: I like it. I mean, it's good, it's catchy, it's

1277
01:08:36,199 --> 01:08:38,079
a pop song, it's a pop song.

1278
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:42,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, they had a version of it on Unplugged,

1279
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:52,199
which was completely different. I'm a plane plain, I'm on

1280
01:08:52,399 --> 01:08:55,640
the plaine. I mean, obviously Unplugged has a lot of

1281
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,079
different you don't have your distortion of your guitar, but

1282
01:08:58,199 --> 01:09:00,239
they've got a cello playing on that one, and I

1283
01:09:00,399 --> 01:09:05,239
enjoyed that one more natural sounding song. But this is

1284
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:08,239
one that Kurt Cobain later on would say he wasn't

1285
01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:09,920
happy with how it turned out on the album.

1286
01:09:10,359 --> 01:09:12,359
Speaker 2: I do think it'll be interesting once we get done

1287
01:09:12,359 --> 01:09:15,199
with these songs. To talk about his response to the album.

1288
01:09:15,079 --> 01:09:17,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said, the way we play it live, and

1289
01:09:17,119 --> 01:09:19,600
it's funny because they I mean, he wrote the lyrics

1290
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,840
for the song like five minutes before the song was recorded,

1291
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,000
and so they didn't play it live until after they

1292
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,000
had already done the recording. But he said he liked

1293
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,079
the way they played it live better, had a raw

1294
01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:29,880
or sound to it.

1295
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, butch Vig puts out good pop songs.

1296
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,960
I can and he made them superstars.

1297
01:09:37,079 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 1: Dude. I will not and not say anything bad about

1298
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:42,199
butch Vig with this. Just this particular song is a

1299
01:09:42,239 --> 01:09:45,640
little overproduced for the songs on this album. It's still

1300
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,680
a Nirvana song, it's still kicks butt, but it's just

1301
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:49,800
not my favorite. Okay.

1302
01:09:53,199 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 2: So let's talk about the best song on side too, Okay.

1303
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:58,880
And that song is called Something in the Way.

1304
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 1: So this one is beautiful. I love it.

1305
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:04,159
Speaker 2: It's it's gorgeous.

1306
01:10:04,319 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. And there's a Beatles song that's got the lyrics

1307
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:17,000
Something in the Way as well, Bridge Topes Strong. But

1308
01:10:17,199 --> 01:10:20,880
this is this was a unique songs all around.

1309
01:10:21,079 --> 01:10:25,119
Speaker 2: When I listened to this song, to me, I listened

1310
01:10:25,159 --> 01:10:28,239
to this song, and you put Madonna's song Secret next

1311
01:10:28,239 --> 01:10:31,199
to it, I think it sounds very similar.

1312
01:10:31,319 --> 01:10:33,239
Speaker 1: Okay, we can we can put that to the test.

1313
01:10:33,319 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 3: Okay, things haven't been the same since you came into.

1314
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 2: The this song. When they were they were working in

1315
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:49,399
the studio and Kurt was not satisfied with how the

1316
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:51,560
recording was going. Yeah, and so he went to the

1317
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,000
control room and he told Butch, He's like, this is

1318
01:10:54,039 --> 01:10:54,640
the way it needs to be.

1319
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: Sound.

1320
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:56,399
Speaker 2: He's like almost like a whisper.

1321
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. He lays down like he's on the couch. Yeah,

1322
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,159
he's lay down on the couch. He's got a five

1323
01:11:02,199 --> 01:11:02,720
string guitar.

1324
01:11:03,079 --> 01:11:05,239
Speaker 2: Butch says, Okay, dude, hold on a second, just stay

1325
01:11:05,319 --> 01:11:07,680
right there, don't move, and he goes and gets a

1326
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:11,399
microphone and he tells everybody, okay, everybody quiet. He said,

1327
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:13,920
go for it. Yeah, in the control room on the

1328
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:15,880
couch right, And that's how.

1329
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 1: They captured it. They use that as the core of

1330
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:22,720
the song afterwards, and so then Dave Grohl and Chris

1331
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:26,239
nova Selik have to record to something that wasn't on

1332
01:11:26,279 --> 01:11:28,760
a click track like this is the They're just going

1333
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,560
by how Kurt felt the rhythm was going. So this

1334
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:35,600
is this is a very soulful, spiritual kind of song,

1335
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,960
and the lyrics are kind of a you know, a

1336
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,439
guy under a bridge with no place else to go,

1337
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,760
talking to the animals. It's you know, there was a

1338
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:46,640
like people kind of talked about, oh, did he really

1339
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:50,199
live under a bridge now? But this again kind of

1340
01:11:50,279 --> 01:11:55,319
captures that feeling of isolation and of not knowing where

1341
01:11:55,359 --> 01:11:58,800
you belong. That guys my age were feeling like, you know,

1342
01:11:59,359 --> 01:12:02,960
we were in the nineties. We're sixteen, seventeen years old,

1343
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:08,159
and we just don't know what the point of everything is, right,

1344
01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:10,880
And so this is one of those songs that kind

1345
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:12,479
of captured that feeling.

1346
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 2: They brought in a guy to play cello on this song.

1347
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:15,199
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1348
01:12:15,279 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 2: Not many Nirvana songs you hear a cello on, Not

1349
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:19,119
on this album, that's true.

1350
01:12:19,239 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's so soulful and sweet. I love it.

1351
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:28,680
Whenever they were recording Dave and Chris's parts, Kurt kept

1352
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,399
sitting behind Dave going no quieter.

1353
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:36,319
Speaker 2: I love this song. And this, to me is a

1354
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:40,520
heavy hitter up there with Come as You Are and Liium. Yeah,

1355
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:41,960
it's really, really, really good.

1356
01:12:42,039 --> 01:12:44,600
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. It is. It is the most beautiful on

1357
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:56,640
the album for sure. All Right, Okay, we done, and

1358
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:12,560
we have the secret trap. Yeah, okay, hold on, Okay,

1359
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:17,720
that's enough of that. Yeah, okay, that's not a song.

1360
01:13:18,399 --> 01:13:19,159
Speaker 2: That's not a song.

1361
01:13:19,279 --> 01:13:21,600
Speaker 1: No, so they I mean, this is like something where

1362
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,000
they were just jamming, and this is a jam session

1363
01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:26,159
and this is just them.

1364
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:28,680
Speaker 2: I don't know, Okay, this is what I heard about

1365
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:32,359
this song. They were trying. They were working on lithium, yes,

1366
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:36,000
and they were having some difficulty making it work. And

1367
01:13:36,039 --> 01:13:41,159
then this is just an improv jam session and it's

1368
01:13:41,239 --> 01:13:44,960
frustration and I'm mad, and they just kind of went

1369
01:13:45,039 --> 01:13:48,000
with it. Butch Big left the tape recording and he

1370
01:13:48,039 --> 01:13:51,000
picked it up. Now, then they should have thrown it

1371
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:52,680
in the trash.

1372
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 1: Right. Well, the guy who the guy who did the Master,

1373
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:00,000
who Masters, is saying he came in, like everybody was

1374
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,640
supposed to meet at a certain time, and he came

1375
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,920
in to do the Master and nobody was there. So

1376
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,159
he was like, all right, well, I guess I go

1377
01:14:08,199 --> 01:14:10,239
ahead and get started working. And so he made this

1378
01:14:10,279 --> 01:14:12,560
whole master, which, if you don't know what that is,

1379
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:16,159
that's creating the one piece that all of the other

1380
01:14:16,199 --> 01:14:19,760
pieces come from. Right before digital really became big, you

1381
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:21,960
had to have a master to go back to so

1382
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,680
that you could get the cleanest sound. So he's putting

1383
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:28,920
all of these things in the Master, and here's Endless Nameless,

1384
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,560
and he's like, okay, that obviously is not supposed to

1385
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:32,319
go on the album.

1386
01:14:32,399 --> 01:14:36,279
Speaker 2: Right, that is so horrible. I can tell without even

1387
01:14:36,319 --> 01:14:38,039
ask anybody that doesn't belong here.

1388
01:14:38,159 --> 01:14:42,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, his name was Howie Weinberg. And so he leaves

1389
01:14:42,239 --> 01:14:46,560
that off and they printed twenty thousand album CDs and

1390
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:50,279
tapes without it, Yeah, without it, And then Kirk Cobains

1391
01:14:50,319 --> 01:14:52,399
finally listens to one of them and he's like, wait

1392
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:56,039
a minute, where's Endless nameless, and so they were like,

1393
01:14:56,079 --> 01:14:57,800
we told you that had to be all there, and

1394
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:02,399
he's like, okay, yeah, I thought that was a joke.

1395
01:15:03,319 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.

1396
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I don't know what that is.

1397
01:15:06,039 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 2: So they got really mad and they actually made them

1398
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:11,840
reprint the album with that on there. It was it

1399
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:15,279
was it's a secret track. Yeah right, yeah, it comes

1400
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,000
all the way after Something in the Way. Something in

1401
01:15:18,039 --> 01:15:22,079
the Way. Now weird Al actually has a version of

1402
01:15:22,119 --> 01:15:27,119
this simplest nameless. Yes, oh no, it's called bite Me. Okay,

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01:15:27,399 --> 01:15:30,199
it's a secret track. I can't remember what record is on.

1404
01:15:30,399 --> 01:15:32,319
It's got to be on the one that smells like

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01:15:32,399 --> 01:15:33,920
gott to be and it's called bite Me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll find that. So when they first when all

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01:15:39,359 --> 01:15:43,319
these songs were done and they had recorded them all

1408
01:15:44,079 --> 01:15:46,159
butch Vig tried to do the mixed for him and

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01:15:46,239 --> 01:15:49,119
they were neither he nor the band was happy with it.

1410
01:15:49,359 --> 01:15:52,439
So they brought in this guy called Andy Wallace who

1411
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:56,399
had co produced Seasons in the Abyss by Slayer, which

1412
01:15:56,439 --> 01:16:01,720
they loved, and unfortunately, you know, the band, even though

1413
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:05,439
they said they loved the mixes, they would later on say, yeah,

1414
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:07,880
we didn't really like the way that that sounded, you know,

1415
01:16:08,319 --> 01:16:10,760
Kirk Cobain said it sounded closer to Motley Crue than

1416
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:11,800
a punk rock record.

1417
01:16:12,199 --> 01:16:14,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a little bit embarrassed at the production of

1418
01:16:14,159 --> 01:16:14,520
this one.

1419
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1420
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 2: I mean punk as a definition as a genre is

1421
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,560
not produced. It's just like, right, yeah.

1422
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:24,079
Speaker 1: It's it's Yeah. If you want a song that it's

1423
01:16:24,119 --> 01:16:26,239
going to appeal to the masses, if you want to

1424
01:16:26,279 --> 01:16:29,560
achieve what you said, your goal is, you want your

1425
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:31,520
art to mean something, So you want it to appeal

1426
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:34,159
as to as many people as possible so that you

1427
01:16:34,199 --> 01:16:38,199
can get their attention. You don't produce a punk album right, right.

1428
01:16:38,319 --> 01:16:41,680
Speaker 2: Once again, we've talked about this how some movie stars

1429
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:45,640
don't watch their movies, right And for me, I mean,

1430
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:49,159
I understand creating art as you want it to be, yeah,

1431
01:16:49,199 --> 01:16:52,640
but this was so impactful to me that they should

1432
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:53,199
love this.

1433
01:16:53,159 --> 01:16:56,199
Speaker 1: Album, right, And you know, it's it's kind of again

1434
01:16:56,279 --> 01:17:00,159
being in that situation where people are obsessing about it

1435
01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:03,840
and constantly talking to you about it and constantly asking

1436
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:05,680
you questions that I can see how it would wear

1437
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:10,600
on you after a while. But Kurt Cobain would say, actually,

1438
01:17:10,119 --> 01:17:14,800
I still really enjoyed playing Smells like teen Spirit. It

1439
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:18,039
just became such a thing that it almost became embarrassing

1440
01:17:18,079 --> 01:17:21,039
to play because of how obsessive people were about it.

1441
01:17:21,159 --> 01:17:21,279
Speaker 3: Right.

1442
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 2: I did hear Chris talk about talk about Nevermind? Yeah,

1443
01:17:26,119 --> 01:17:29,600
like a twenty year later retrospective. Yes, he says, the

1444
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,800
best thing I've ever been associated with. Yeah, So it's

1445
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:37,000
that makes me feel good. I love I thoroughly enjoyed it, sure,

1446
01:17:37,119 --> 01:17:39,239
and the fact that he thoroughly enjoys it does make

1447
01:17:39,279 --> 01:17:39,880
me feel better.

1448
01:17:40,079 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 1: Right, I'm sure that everybody listening to this knows what

1449
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:51,000
the history is. They produce other albums, and then in

1450
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:56,439
nineteen ninety four, Kurt Cobain commits suicide at his home

1451
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:59,399
in Washington, And there's lots of stories there that we're

1452
01:17:59,399 --> 01:18:01,520
not going to get away too at this time. But

1453
01:18:02,399 --> 01:18:05,039
you know, kind of in doing this and looking at this,

1454
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:08,800
I almost like, if I'm watching this as a movie,

1455
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:12,279
I don't see any other ending except that he can't

1456
01:18:12,279 --> 01:18:15,720
grow old. He has to be eternally youthful. He has

1457
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:20,319
to be twenty seven forever, because you can't be the

1458
01:18:20,399 --> 01:18:25,239
voice of the generation. You can't change the music the

1459
01:18:25,239 --> 01:18:28,520
way that he did and continue on and still have

1460
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:32,880
the impact I don't know, so he was. I read

1461
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:37,880
this about Michael Stipe of RAM. They were planning an

1462
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:41,680
album together. Kurt Cobain and Michael Stipe were planning to

1463
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:44,720
do an album together that would have been completely different

1464
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:49,039
than anything they had done before, clean, bringing in orchestra

1465
01:18:49,159 --> 01:18:51,760
style music. And I can't even I mean, can you

1466
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:55,840
just imagine Kirk Cobain with an orchestra or with strings

1467
01:18:55,920 --> 01:19:03,479
behind him with very clean But we never got that.

1468
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 2: Sadly, sadly, yeah, sadly, I remember when that happened. That

1469
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:12,039
was I mean, people held candlelight vigils and were crying

1470
01:19:12,159 --> 01:19:14,880
and shocked. And if you grew up in the nineties,

1471
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:16,399
this sky was your John Lennon.

1472
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:18,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for some folks for sure.

1473
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:21,359
Speaker 2: So do we want to talk a little bit about

1474
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:25,920
the impact of the album? For me, it's interesting because

1475
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:29,840
it's had this huge, huge impact. It wasn't the best

1476
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:33,199
selling album of nineteen ninety two, okay. In fact, according

1477
01:19:33,239 --> 01:19:35,640
to who you look at, it was beat out by

1478
01:19:36,119 --> 01:19:39,439
at least three albums by Garth Brooks, an album by

1479
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:42,079
Criss Cross, and an album by Billy Ray Cyrus.

1480
01:19:42,359 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 1: Oh my, well, again, you have folks who buy in

1481
01:19:47,359 --> 01:19:50,760
at certain points, you have the early adopters, you've got

1482
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:54,359
the masses, and then you've got the tag alongs or

1483
01:19:54,359 --> 01:19:58,359
the late adopters, And yeah, I can see this was

1484
01:19:58,399 --> 01:20:00,199
not a thing. Like I mean, a lot of our

1485
01:20:00,239 --> 01:20:02,760
listening audience, like if they came in with Van Halen,

1486
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:04,439
I bet a lot of those guys are like, I

1487
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:08,079
want to listen to something about Nirvana, right because it

1488
01:20:07,359 --> 01:20:11,119
was it was a revolution against that style of music. Yeah,

1489
01:20:11,159 --> 01:20:13,039
for sure, I love them both, so I'm good with it.

1490
01:20:13,159 --> 01:20:16,359
Speaker 2: The staying power, though, is really the y is the

1491
01:20:16,359 --> 01:20:20,520
factor here, because I mean Criss Cross Gone, Billy By

1492
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:25,319
Cyrus Gone, Yeah, I mean Garth Brooks.

1493
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 1: Those Garth Brooks albums are kind of iconic. But yeah,

1494
01:20:29,159 --> 01:20:32,079
but yeah, let me if you haven't, if you haven't

1495
01:20:32,079 --> 01:20:34,039
listened to this album from beginning to end, if you

1496
01:20:34,159 --> 01:20:37,319
kind of wrote off a proper Grammer, if you wrote

1497
01:20:37,319 --> 01:20:41,920
off Nirvana back in the nineties, take a listen again, sincerely,

1498
01:20:42,399 --> 01:20:45,000
listen with an open mind, and I think you'll be impressed.

1499
01:20:45,119 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 2: We talked about it. Both of us sort of rediscovered

1500
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:51,720
this album and it's impressive. Yeah, it's impressive.

1501
01:20:52,159 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 1: And so next week we're going to move on to

1502
01:20:54,159 --> 01:20:56,720
another impressive album that came out at the same time,

1503
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:00,640
which I have a whole different experience with. And I'm

1504
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:03,399
excited to talk about that one. You talked about waiting

1505
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:05,399
thirty five years. I've been waiting nearly thirty years to

1506
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:06,560
talk about this one for sure.

1507
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 2: Great, Yeah, I can't wait.

1508
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. So next week we'll talk about Pearl Jams ten.

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01:21:11,359 --> 01:21:13,600
Stay tuned for that one, and you will hear our

1510
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:18,880
final judgment as to which of the grunge albums are

1511
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:22,159
of the best. Stay tuned for that. And if please

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01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:31,439
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01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:36,520
Speaker 2: Thank you for listening. I hope that some of our

1518
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:39,560
Van Helen and def Leopard guys have stuck around for

1519
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:41,520
this one. Yeah, thank you for doing that. Do we

1520
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:43,279
sure appreciate you. Thank you so much for listening.

1521
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:45,039
Speaker 1: See you next week, See you next week.

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Speaker 2: Wow.