WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:03.480 Hello everybody, and welcome to a brand new episode of 2 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:07.200 Second Take Cinema, coming at you from the Glorious Impala 3 00:00:07.240 --> 00:00:11.119 Film's headquarters in sunny South End on Sea. I'm your host, 4 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:15.160 Jamie Evans, joined as always by mister Rory Jocelyn. 5 00:00:15.279 --> 00:00:18.199 Slamming in the back of your dragula, my friend, and 6 00:00:18.280 --> 00:00:18.960 today we. 7 00:00:19.079 --> 00:00:23.559 Are going back to a film that was beloved by 8 00:00:23.600 --> 00:00:27.320 me as a teenager. It is our second trip to 9 00:00:27.559 --> 00:01:29.560 zombie Town as we review mister Rob Zombies The Devil's Rejects. 10 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:33.840 The Devil's Rejects is a two thousand and five American 11 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:38.719 black comedy horror film, written, produced, and directed by Rob Zombie. 12 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:41.079 It is the sequel to his two thousand and three 13 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:44.319 movie House of a Thousand Corpses, and it was made 14 00:01:44.359 --> 00:01:47.599 for a budget of seven million dollars and it went 15 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:50.920 on to gross twenty point nine million dollars at the 16 00:01:50.959 --> 00:01:55.719 box office. It stars Sid Hague, Bill Moseley, Sherry Moon, Zombie, 17 00:01:55.840 --> 00:02:02.359 Ken Forrey, Matthew McCrory, and William Forsyth, along with Leslie Easterbrook. 18 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:04.760 Over On Rotten Tomorrow's the film has an approval rating 19 00:02:04.799 --> 00:02:08.840 of fifty four percent. The site's consensus reads Zombie has 20 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:11.840 improved as a filmmaker since House of a Thousand Corpses 21 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:15.240 and will please fans of the genre, but beware the 22 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:20.199 horror is nasty, relentless, and sadistic. Critic Roger Ebert enjoyed 23 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:22.520 the film and gave it three out of four stars. 24 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:25.599 He wrote, there is actually some good writing and acting 25 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:27.960 going on here, if you can step back from the 26 00:02:28.039 --> 00:02:29.879 violent material enough to see it. 27 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:30.719 Later. 28 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:33.080 In his two thousand and six review for the horror 29 00:02:33.159 --> 00:02:37.759 movie The Hills of Eyes, Ebert referenced The Devil's Rejects, writing, 30 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:41.280 I received some appalled feedback when I praised Rob Zombies 31 00:02:41.280 --> 00:02:44.479 the Devil's Rejects, but I admired two things about it 32 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:47.719 that were absent from the Hills of Eyes. One it 33 00:02:47.800 --> 00:02:51.680 desired to entertain and not merely to sicken, and two, 34 00:02:52.039 --> 00:02:57.719 its depraved killers were individuals with personalities, histories, and motives. 35 00:02:57.759 --> 00:03:00.400 In his review for Rolling Stone, Peter Travis gave The 36 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:03.439 Devil's Rejects three out of four stars and wrote, let's 37 00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:06.360 hear it for the Southern Fried soundtrack from Buck Owens 38 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:09.199 as Satan's Got to get Along Without Me to Lynard 39 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:13.159 Skynard's free Bird, playing over the blood soaked finale, which 40 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:16.280 manages to wed the Wild Bunch to Thelma and Louise. 41 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:19.719 Richard Roper gave the film a thumbs up for being 42 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:22.879 successful at its goal to be the sickest, most twisted, 43 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:25.639 and most deranged movie at that point of the year 44 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:28.000 two thousand and five. In her review for The New 45 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:30.199 York Times, Dana Stevens wrote that the film is a 46 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:35.280 trumploy experiment in deliberately retro filmmaking. It looks sensational, but 47 00:03:35.360 --> 00:03:39.120 there is a curious emptiness at its core. Entertainment Weekly 48 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:41.319 gave the film a C plus rating and wrote, Zombie's 49 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:43.840 characters are, to put it, mildly underdeveloped. 50 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:44.560 Robert K. 51 00:03:44.719 --> 00:03:48.159 Elder of the Chicago Tribune disliked the film, writing, despite 52 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:51.240 decades of soaking in bloody classics such as the original 53 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:55.199 Texas Chainsaw Massacre and I Spit on Your Grave, Zombie 54 00:03:55.240 --> 00:03:58.919 didn't absorb any of the underlying social tension or heart 55 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:02.479 in those films. He's no collage artist of influencers, like 56 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:07.360 Quentin Tarantino, crafting his movies from childhood influencers. Rejects plays 57 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:10.960 more like a junkyard of homages. Strewn together and lost 58 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:16.120 amongst inept cops, gaping plot holes, and buzzard ready dialogue. 59 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:19.600 That is interesting. I'll comment a little bit more on 60 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:22.079 that later, but there's a few things that I do 61 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:25.319 actually kind of agree with him on with that. Horror. 62 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:28.680 Author Stephen King rated The Devil's Rejects the ninth best 63 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:32.079 movie of two thousand and five and wrote, no redeeming 64 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:36.879 social merit, perfect, seventy Sea Graine picture, cheesy glow. This 65 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:40.560 must be what Quentin Tarantino meant when he did those silly. 66 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:41.399 Kill Bill pictures. 67 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:43.399 Oh wow, I don't think. 68 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:46.040 I don't like kill Bill either, to be fair, not. 69 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:48.319 A big fan of kill Bill, but those were clearly 70 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:52.000 more inspired by martial art movies than this was. This 71 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:54.959 was not a martial arts extravaganza by any stretch. 72 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:59.000 And lastly, James Barrardinelli was very negative, giving The Devil's 73 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:02.720 Rejects only half a star out of four and called 74 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:07.000 it a vile, reprehensible movie, saying the action was more 75 00:05:07.040 --> 00:05:10.639 formula than plot. He described the dialogue as a pastiche 76 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:13.360 at least I think that's the intention of the kind 77 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:17.519 of bloodthirsty, overripe lines found in a genre of films 78 00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:21.879 from the nineteen seventies about outcasts who defy society. 79 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:22.399 By destroying it. 80 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:26.040 He was extremely critical of the acting, directing, and the 81 00:05:26.079 --> 00:05:30.519 production values, with an ending that was a cataclysmic misfire, 82 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:35.079 an overall was not engaging cinema. In twenty fifteen, Taste 83 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:37.839 of Cinema ranked the film twenty third amongst the thirty 84 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:41.680 great psychopath movies that are worth your time. It also 85 00:05:41.759 --> 00:05:46.800 won several awards, including the following awards at the Fangoria 86 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:50.839 chainsaw Awards, which you know, very prestigious. The Angoria chainsaw Awards, 87 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:57.040 it won Best Wide Release Film, Scariest Film, Best Screenplay, 88 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:02.079 Best Actor for Sid Hague, Best Reporting Actor for William Forsyth, 89 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:07.040 Best Supporting Actress for Leslie Easterbrook, Best Score for Tyler Bates, 90 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:12.759 Relationship from Hell for Bill Mosley, and Cherry Moon, Zombie, 91 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:16.319 and it was nominated for Best One Liner from Bill Moseley. 92 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:18.759 But it doesn't tell you what the one liner was. 93 00:06:18.839 --> 00:06:21.240 Unfortunately, that's stupid. They should tell you what the one 94 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:21.600 line is. 95 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:25.839 It also won a couple of Scream Awards, including Best 96 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:30.199 Horror Movie and Most Vile Villain. Won collectively for all 97 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:32.600 the members of the Firefly family. 98 00:06:33.759 --> 00:06:35.160 And that was it for. 99 00:06:37.160 --> 00:06:42.360 Awards, so I put Devil's Rejects into the list. I 100 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:44.800 first saw this movie around the time it came out 101 00:06:45.279 --> 00:06:47.680 on DVD, about when I was still quite young getting 102 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:50.040 into horror movies old. 103 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:51.720 I wasn't that young. 104 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:56.120 I was a fan of Rob Zombie's music and when 105 00:06:56.120 --> 00:06:58.000 I heard and I've seen all of these music videos. 106 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:01.600 I actually have the deluxe edition of hell Billy Deluxe, 107 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:02.759 his first solo album. 108 00:07:02.879 --> 00:07:04.879 When did you first hear Rob Zombie's music? 109 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:08.279 I tell you that story as well. Actually I first 110 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:11.560 heard Rob Zombie in the movie Bride of Chucky. The 111 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:14.800 opening theme is the song Living Dead Girl. Okay, and 112 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:17.160 I was like, this is a great fucking thing. And 113 00:07:17.199 --> 00:07:20.040 he got a credit that you do not see that often, 114 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:23.160 like usually music credits right at the end of the credits. 115 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:27.319 In the opening titles of Bride of Chucky, one of 116 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:29.120 the you know when it's coming up, like the stars 117 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:32.519 and the director, it comes up opening song Living Dead 118 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:33.759 Girl by Rob Zombie. 119 00:07:33.879 --> 00:07:34.160 Nice. 120 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:35.240 So I don't know. 121 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:37.800 Who he bribed or what to get that credit, but 122 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:39.639 Baby gave him to him cheaper so that he could 123 00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:41.240 get his name out there. Because that would have been 124 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:43.560 the ninety Yeah, that would be in the same year 125 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:46.279 he went solo, right, So I'm wondering if that's also 126 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:47.600 just before his film career. 127 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:50.759 Is before that's just before it because he actually shot 128 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:53.680 House one thousand Corps says in the late nineties, like 129 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:56.399 ninety nine, but it didn't come out until two thousands. 130 00:07:56.480 --> 00:07:57.959 It might have been a smart move because then he's 131 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:00.920 already got a credit, yeah, on a big film. Yeah, 132 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:02.879 so you may have either didn't done it for free 133 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:04.519 or given them to cheap and gone just put my 134 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:06.000 name in the credit. That's all I want. 135 00:08:06.040 --> 00:08:08.040 Bride of Chucky shaped a lot of my taste. 136 00:08:08.040 --> 00:08:09.399 It's a great it's a great film. 137 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:12.519 Bride of Chucky's great. It's how I discovered Rob Zombie. 138 00:08:12.560 --> 00:08:16.160 And it's also how I discovered Alice Cooper because I 139 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:19.720 obviously started listening to Rob Zombie and then in almost 140 00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:22.399 every interview Rob Zombie's ever given, he's like, well, my 141 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:24.040 biggest influence is Alice. 142 00:08:23.759 --> 00:08:26.800 Cooper, Like, who's this Alice Cooper chick? And then you 143 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:28.560 look it up and you're like, that's not a chick, 144 00:08:29.480 --> 00:08:32.799 but he's fucking awesome. Yeah, And that's how I got 145 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:35.159 into Alice Cooper and Rob Zombie, and clearly I've never 146 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:37.919 matured as an adult because my music taste is still 147 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:40.320 what I listened to when I was fourteen years old. 148 00:08:40.440 --> 00:08:43.559 Yeah but sorry, but that era of metal, new metal, 149 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:46.159 et cetera. I still really enjoy it. It's a lot 150 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:50.759 of it's cheese, as is Rob Zombie, but it's so good. Yeah, 151 00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:53.120 it just it just drives, and that's what I like 152 00:08:53.159 --> 00:08:53.639 about it. 153 00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:57.480 But on my copy of hell Billy Deluxe, there is 154 00:08:57.519 --> 00:09:02.000 a second there's a DVD that has music videos for 155 00:09:02.120 --> 00:09:05.279 every song, all directed by Rob Zombie, and I was like, Oh, 156 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:08.240 these are weird. And clearly this guy loves horror movies 157 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:10.879 because he's all like footage from old black and white 158 00:09:10.919 --> 00:09:13.320 horror films cut into the videos. Okay, and have you 159 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:15.360 ever seen the music video four Living Dead Girl? 160 00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:16.120 No? I have not. 161 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:17.360 Oh you should watch it. 162 00:09:17.360 --> 00:09:22.519 It's modeled on a nineteen twenties German expressionist movie called 163 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:25.679 The Cabinet of Doctor Kaligari, which I have seen. I 164 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:28.840 believe it's free to watch on YouTube. That's a German 165 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:32.559 expressionist film. So it's one of those films where it 166 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:36.080 kind of is rejecting realism. Right, It's a film that 167 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:39.679 is like, no, we're not gonna make the shots look realistic. 168 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:42.279 We're not gonna make the sets look realistic. Everything's gonna 169 00:09:42.320 --> 00:09:46.320 be weird angles. And I imagine I don't know this 170 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:48.200 for a fact, but I would be willing to bet 171 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:51.200 money that Cabinet of Dr Calgary was one of Tim 172 00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:55.080 Burton's biggest influencers, right, because a lot of that traditional 173 00:09:55.200 --> 00:09:58.679 Burton look really does come. 174 00:09:58.480 --> 00:09:59.960 From Cabinet of Doctor Kaligari. 175 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:04.679 Interesting anyway, I heard he'd gone into making films and 176 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:07.200 The Devil's Rejects came out and I was like, Hey, 177 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:09.679 this is rob Zombie and that's a great title. I'm 178 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:12.559 gonna buy this film and see what it is. And 179 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:15.919 I don't know what I was expecting. It was definitely, 180 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:18.639 at the time, the most extreme movie I'd ever seen. 181 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:22.080 And I remember watching it and I watched it with 182 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:25.080 my dad and that was a bit of a delightful experience. 183 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:26.440 And then I. 184 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:28.840 Got a little low key obsessed with this movie for 185 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:31.240 a few months and watched it again and again and again. 186 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:35.879 Because I watching it back as an adult, I can 187 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:37.799 see that it's not as clever as I thought it 188 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:41.320 was at the time, but when I was fourteen, the 189 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:47.759 fact that the villains start off as these heinous, horrible, utter, 190 00:10:47.919 --> 00:10:52.480 fucking psychopath killers and by the end of the film, 191 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:58.440 I was crying because they die spoiler alert, Oh. 192 00:10:57.759 --> 00:10:59.080 Well they don't because there's a sequel. 193 00:10:59.080 --> 00:11:01.159 But yeah, there wasn't the time and this shouldn't be 194 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:04.320 and to pretend it doesn't exist. 195 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:07.279 I was like, how has he done that? 196 00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:07.600 Like? 197 00:11:08.039 --> 00:11:11.600 How has he made me care about these monsters? And 198 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:14.240 I just watched it over and over again. 199 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:17.399 That's really interesting, because I'll be honest, I never came 200 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:21.639 to care about them. There were certainly Sid Hagues's character, 201 00:11:21.799 --> 00:11:26.960 Captain Spaulding, I came to enjoy, but I never I 202 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:29.480 never gave a singular shit about Otis. I thought he 203 00:11:29.559 --> 00:11:35.840 was scummy and Sherry Moan Zombie's baby was an interesting 204 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:39.200 different type of killer. I thought that was interesting, a 205 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:42.360 little undercooked, maybe simply because it was sharing so much 206 00:11:42.399 --> 00:11:45.360 screen time with other serial killers. But yeah, Otis never 207 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:47.919 really seemed to be enjoying himself, and I know that's 208 00:11:47.960 --> 00:11:50.799 that's probably just like, well, that's the way he kills 209 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:54.320 is different, you know, Whereas Captain Spaulding clearly enjoys the 210 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:57.120 way he kills or just screws over society for his 211 00:11:57.200 --> 00:12:01.559 own humor. But the I never came to really like them. 212 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:04.360 But what I really did like in this film. We'll 213 00:12:04.360 --> 00:12:07.159 cover this later because it's I think for me, I 214 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:09.759 think it's the most interesting part of the film is 215 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:15.960 the downfall of Sheriff Wydell william Ford Syth's. Yeah, he 216 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:20.559 is incredible in terms of the essentially it's breaking bad 217 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:23.320 before breaking bad, but within a scope of a film 218 00:12:23.360 --> 00:12:26.120 and a cop because he starts off he's got to 219 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:29.440 get these guys for murdering his brother, and then by 220 00:12:29.480 --> 00:12:32.399 the end he is one of them. Realistically, he may 221 00:12:32.399 --> 00:12:35.600 be getting revenge on them, but he is no better 222 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:40.279 and one brother. Yeah, and I really liked that, and 223 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:43.720 that was a social commentary I enjoyed, and I thought 224 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:47.759 was again somewhat undercooked because it was the film was 225 00:12:47.799 --> 00:12:49.639 trying to do I think too much and was a 226 00:12:49.639 --> 00:12:54.240 little unfocused. Will come to that more over time. I 227 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:57.000 am going to give a counterpoint to how I discovered 228 00:12:57.080 --> 00:13:02.360 Rob Zombie, because Jamie has given his account. He was 229 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:07.879 watching horror films and he was listening to really grotty 230 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:13.399 metal Rory first picked up on Rob Zombie. I probably 231 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:17.679 heard him in a film first, but I didn't recognize 232 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:21.120 it until later. The Matrix, Yeah, but I didn't recognize 233 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:23.039 it till later. That's not where I picked up Rob Zombie. 234 00:13:23.039 --> 00:13:25.799 Where I picked up Rob Zombie was on the Dreamcast 235 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:29.399 game jet Set Radio for fuck Yeah. 236 00:13:29.279 --> 00:13:30.440 Is your jet Set Radio? 237 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:34.720 He's only in the American version the final battle in 238 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:37.919 that in that game where you've got to tag the 239 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:43.840 DJ artists about bald head Uh. In the Japanese and 240 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:47.960 the European versions, you get a song by Hideki Naganuma 241 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:51.159 which has kind of got this villainous turn to it. 242 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:55.480 In the American only Dreamcast release, and this isn't on 243 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:57.519 any of the digital releases that you can get. Now, 244 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:01.440 that battle is played to Rob's Zombie, and it kind 245 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:05.480 of stands out, I think, because I'm fairly certain you 246 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:08.080 play that song plays on that bit, because it stands 247 00:14:08.120 --> 00:14:10.200 out because the rest of the game is mostly sort 248 00:14:10.279 --> 00:14:13.720 of breakbea kind of techno dance, and then you get 249 00:14:13.759 --> 00:14:15.080 to this bit and he's meant to be playing the 250 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:17.919 Demonic Record, so and then all of a sudden you've 251 00:14:17.919 --> 00:14:22.399 got dragular play. It's dragular, right, and you're just like, yeah, 252 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:25.600 this this counts yeah, because everyone else you're playing like 253 00:14:25.759 --> 00:14:28.320 dancy hip hop. Then you get to the Demon album 254 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:33.679 and it's dragular, You're like yes, yes. So that's where 255 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:36.320 I first picked up on him. Got the album from there. 256 00:14:36.879 --> 00:14:39.080 Obviously he's been his music's been and other stuff. But 257 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:41.080 I really got in because I was into heavy metal 258 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:43.279 and new metal at the time as well. I wasn't 259 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:48.360 just a nerd. I was a nerd with metal. But yeah, 260 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:51.399 that's how I first got into Rob Zombie because for 261 00:14:51.399 --> 00:14:53.080 some reason, a lot of how I get into stuff 262 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:55.919 is through games, and I don't really get why. 263 00:14:56.440 --> 00:14:57.600 But it happens. 264 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:02.440 I remember being appointed as I got older, because, like 265 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:06.120 I said, I really liked this film at fourteen, and 266 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:08.759 I remember being like, Rob Zombie is going to be 267 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:13.639 like the next great horror filmmaking Spielberk of horror. 268 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:14.679 Yeah, robs up. 269 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:18.879 And I went back and watched House of one Thousand Corpses, 270 00:15:19.720 --> 00:15:21.039 which is good. 271 00:15:21.919 --> 00:15:24.799 It's not as good as Devil's Rejects, the first one. 272 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:26.720 That's the first one. It's the first film we ever made. 273 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:32.639 It's very unfocused in my opinion, and there's not nearly 274 00:15:32.759 --> 00:15:35.879 enough plot to make it interesting, but it very much 275 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:39.399 is his version of Texas Chainsaw Massacre, which also has 276 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:43.919 very little plot. Controversial opinion that will probably get me 277 00:15:44.039 --> 00:15:48.600 murdered by the film audience. Texas Chainsaw Massacre, in my opinion, 278 00:15:49.279 --> 00:15:52.679 is one of those rare films where the remake is better. 279 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:53.279 Than the original. 280 00:15:53.919 --> 00:15:57.639 There's not too much in it, except the remake feels 281 00:15:57.679 --> 00:16:00.240 like it has actual protagonists and. 282 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:05.200 An actual plot as thin as the plot is. Plus, 283 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:08.240 it's got Ermi in it. Who Ermi? 284 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:12.039 He's dead now, but for a little while, anytime you 285 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:15.440 had an angry sergeant in a military film, it was him. 286 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:17.399 He's most famous for Full Metal Jacket. 287 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:20.679 Yeah. He's the guy's like you are worthless? 288 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:22.559 You are? Yeah, I don't know the line. I think 289 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:24.559 he was an actual military guy. That's why he got 290 00:16:24.559 --> 00:16:26.519 the role, because he won't scream for longer than anything 291 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:27.240 they could find. 292 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:29.759 He is leather Facer's dad in the. 293 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:33.240 Remake, right, Okay, And he's really he's really good. 294 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:37.080 He's really intimidating and sadistic. The original Texas Chainsaw Massacre 295 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:41.399 as much ground as it broke. It's just people running 296 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:44.639 around screaming right for like ninety straight minutes. 297 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:45.399 I know what you mean. 298 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:45.919 There was. 299 00:16:47.559 --> 00:16:49.720 I'll probably keep on using the same references, but there 300 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:53.320 was a first city has to say, Yeah, see JB does. 301 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:54.000 Is that what I'm saying? 302 00:16:54.360 --> 00:16:54.559 Uh? 303 00:16:55.240 --> 00:17:00.000 A Japanese sort of cyberpunk horror movie which has good elements, 304 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:03.720 but there's there's at least one of those storylines where 305 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:06.480 it's just someone screaming and eventually you just get there 306 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:09.680 and go shut up, just shut up. 307 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:13.119 You end up muting the TV and just watching the images, which, 308 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:14.839 to be fair, I was always told when I was 309 00:17:14.839 --> 00:17:19.160 at UNI learning filmmaking. I was always told, you know, 310 00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:22.519 it's a good film. What you should aim for when 311 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:24.480 you're trying to make a good film is that someone 312 00:17:24.519 --> 00:17:26.960 could watch it with no sound and still fully understand 313 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:29.119 what's happening. Sure, and I was like, oh, that's an 314 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:33.039 interesting way of thinking about that. Anyway, as Rob Zombie's 315 00:17:33.079 --> 00:17:36.839 career went on, it's safe to say he was not 316 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:38.839 the greatest horror filmmaker. 317 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:41.200 I don't know. I think he redeemed himself with the Monsters. 318 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:43.200 No, he did not. 319 00:17:43.640 --> 00:17:46.640 I haven't seen that either. I'm just joking. His career 320 00:17:46.680 --> 00:17:48.160 has really taking a nose dive, isn't it. 321 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:50.799 He did an animated film called The Haunted World of 322 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:55.400 l Superbisto, which I do like. It's definitely not to 323 00:17:55.519 --> 00:18:02.200 everyone's taste. It's very back Ali Grotty. It's all just 324 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:05.880 gore jokes and sex jokes and. 325 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:10.279 Stuff that does seem to be even from this, that 326 00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:13.680 does seem to be his level of humor. Yes, there's 327 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:16.000 a lot of stuff in this I didn't like that 328 00:18:16.279 --> 00:18:18.440 was clearly meant to be played as you know, isn't 329 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:19.359 this kind of funny? 330 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:21.960 And I'm just like then, he did a few of 331 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:24.359 the films that I basically fell off watching his films 332 00:18:24.359 --> 00:18:28.720 because the Halloween films really tanked him. For me, they're 333 00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:32.119 not good. And obviously, as you've eluded Tomakno through his 334 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:35.839 whole filmography, his latest film is The Monsters, which I 335 00:18:35.839 --> 00:18:38.960 think it's fairly well documented on the internet how that went. 336 00:18:39.079 --> 00:18:41.200 Yeah, So I haven't seen that one, but I've seen 337 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:43.960 the documentation of how that went. It's not a not 338 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:46.880 a revered film, let's put it that way. No, So 339 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:50.240 let's talk about the Devil's Rejects. Yeah, let's talk about 340 00:18:50.319 --> 00:18:51.880 because I think the storyline is going to be the 341 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:54.119 most interesting part. So let's start on some of the 342 00:18:54.119 --> 00:18:56.480 bits that I think will be that I'd like to 343 00:18:56.480 --> 00:19:01.279 get out the way visual look, it's not a good 344 00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:05.720 looking film, but that fits the tone. I think it 345 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:10.359 looks great for what it is. It has that seventies 346 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:14.079 kind of what am I thinking of grind Grindhouse. Yes, 347 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:16.559 it's got that, and you know what he slams into 348 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:18.720 that really well, there's a couple of points and I 349 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:21.680 wish it was a little more consistent, actually, but I 350 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:24.519 can understand that maybe it was just little bits where 351 00:19:24.519 --> 00:19:28.799 it was lampooning, where he does weird edits and like. 352 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:30.880 So for the most part, it will be edited and 353 00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:34.200 scenes will cut together in a very linear, normal fashion, 354 00:19:34.599 --> 00:19:36.200 and then all of a sudden he does a scene 355 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:39.799 where suddenly like a box will slam down and then 356 00:19:39.920 --> 00:19:42.559 like almost be driven off the screen by another box 357 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:44.839 for the next scene to come in. So it's more 358 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:50.000 like an animated crossover between two scenes, which again kind 359 00:19:50.039 --> 00:19:51.960 of matches in with Grindhouse, where you had a lot 360 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:53.960 of these edgy directors going yeah, let's just do this 361 00:19:53.960 --> 00:19:54.920 because it will look more. 362 00:19:54.759 --> 00:19:58.079 Fun, or literally damaged bits of film where they'd had 363 00:19:58.079 --> 00:20:00.119 to just Yeah, there used to be a scene in 364 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:02.480 there and it's not there anymore, so they've just stitched 365 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:03.480 two bits together. 366 00:20:03.720 --> 00:20:06.480 Yeah, and it doesn't actually flow properly. 367 00:20:06.279 --> 00:20:09.480 No, but you know what, it works in this film. 368 00:20:09.480 --> 00:20:10.880 And actually I think I would have liked to have 369 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:13.160 seen a little bit more of it, just so it's 370 00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:16.119 a bit more consistent. But I'm glad they didn't overuse 371 00:20:16.160 --> 00:20:19.359 it as well. At the same time, just a few 372 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:22.599 extra times of it happening would have been enough, like 373 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:25.519 two or three. But yeah, I thought that was really cool. 374 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:28.160 So I think esthetically, you're not looking at a gorgeous film. 375 00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:31.319 It's not gonna be something you show off. But it 376 00:20:31.480 --> 00:20:35.039 suits its tone perfectly and so on that. You know, 377 00:20:35.160 --> 00:20:37.039 big congrats I think on that, because that is a 378 00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:40.759 very positive thing I think on this film. Musicality is great. 379 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:43.960 I love the soundtrack. The soundtrack to this film is golden. 380 00:20:44.079 --> 00:20:50.400 It's all like American country rock. From One More Silver 381 00:20:50.519 --> 00:20:54.759 Dollar by the Alman Brothers band. You've got that one 382 00:20:54.799 --> 00:20:58.839 where it's like I falled around and fell in love. 383 00:20:59.079 --> 00:21:02.839 That's a good one. Rocky Mountain Way by I think 384 00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:06.160 Joe Walsh, that's by and obviously it ends with free Bird, 385 00:21:06.799 --> 00:21:08.839 which I do still think is one of the greatest 386 00:21:08.960 --> 00:21:11.880 uses of music in a film. Is that the fact 387 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:15.599 that nearly the entire song plays because he just takes 388 00:21:15.640 --> 00:21:17.759 that moment, which is not something you would usually say 389 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:19.440 about robs On because he's usually a bit more of 390 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:21.960 a kinetic director. Yeah, he just goes, no, fuck it, 391 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:24.680 this bit's going to be slow as fuck. The film 392 00:21:24.759 --> 00:21:27.039 is literally like they're all moving in sort of half speed. 393 00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:29.319 And then it wished. 394 00:21:29.079 --> 00:21:32.880 He'd gotten slow speed film for that, because it's it 395 00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:34.839 does that thing when you have normal film and slow 396 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:37.759 it down, it gets a bit jerky, And yeah, I 397 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:41.920 don't like that so much, right, but again, it probably 398 00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:44.240 fits the era that he was going for, making it 399 00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:48.599 more seventies grindhouse, where getting different speeds of camera film 400 00:21:49.599 --> 00:21:51.920 wasn't the norm and the budget. 401 00:21:51.519 --> 00:21:52.160