WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.240 --> 00:00:02.040 For members only. 2 00:00:02.120 --> 00:00:05.160 Golf Smarter number three hundred and seventy seven, published on 3 00:00:05.200 --> 00:00:07.360 March twenty six, twenty thirteen. 4 00:00:07.519 --> 00:00:12.519 Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain 5 00:00:12.560 --> 00:00:16.160 insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the 6 00:00:16.160 --> 00:00:22.160 Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets Old. Our 7 00:00:22.280 --> 00:00:27.079 interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations 8 00:00:27.199 --> 00:00:30.719 like this that are no longer available in any podcast app. 9 00:00:30.839 --> 00:00:32.679 The only part of the green that's going to affect 10 00:00:32.719 --> 00:00:34.560 the ball is the part the ball rolls on and 11 00:00:34.600 --> 00:00:37.920 actually touches, so all the rest of it is completely ignorable. 12 00:00:38.039 --> 00:00:40.000 You know where the mountains are, where the high points 13 00:00:40.039 --> 00:00:42.880 on the green are. All that stuff is completely ignorable. 14 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:44.560 If the ball is not going to actually touch it. 15 00:00:44.840 --> 00:00:46.799 I need to figure out what the ground is doing 16 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:49.799 when the ball is actually rolling. And once you learn 17 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:51.719 how to do it and what you're looking for or 18 00:00:51.759 --> 00:00:55.520 feeling for. It's very hard to fool a person's balance, 19 00:00:55.960 --> 00:00:58.759 except maybe you know, like late Friday night or late 20 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:01.920 Saturday night, after a couple of you know, their balance 21 00:01:01.960 --> 00:01:05.000 isn't so good. Aside from that, very few people fall 22 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:07.439 down when they walk, so their body is constantly making 23 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:10.519 this adjustment every single step that it takes. That's kind 24 00:01:10.519 --> 00:01:12.359 of usually running in the background, and we're trying to 25 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:14.439 take that idea of that sensation and kind of pull 26 00:01:14.480 --> 00:01:17.200 it to the forefront and say this footstep differently than 27 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:18.920 this one. Did it go up, did it go down? 28 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:21.519 Did you feel left or right? All of these sensations 29 00:01:21.519 --> 00:01:23.120 are learnable and teachable. 30 00:01:28.840 --> 00:01:32.560 Eliminate misreading the greens, break direction. More on ame point 31 00:01:32.599 --> 00:01:33.319 with John Graham. 32 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:35.079 This is Golf Smarter. 33 00:01:35.799 --> 00:01:38.719 Welcome back to Golf Smarter for members only. John, Hello, 34 00:01:39.319 --> 00:01:41.120 thank you for sticking around. 35 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:42.239 This is absolut awesome. 36 00:01:43.280 --> 00:01:44.879 One of the last comments that you made, you were 37 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:49.239 talking about how people like they need to know, you know, 38 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:52.000 their launch angle and the spin rate, and then when 39 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:54.040 they're on their approach, you know, for their drives, and 40 00:01:54.040 --> 00:01:57.000 then with their approach shots they want to know, you know, 41 00:01:57.480 --> 00:02:01.480 GPS is not exacting enough. They have to do a rangefinder, 42 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:05.879 like they can get that close. And yet the part 43 00:02:05.920 --> 00:02:09.319 of your scorecard that allows you twice as many shots 44 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:12.560 as anything else, they don't think it's that important. 45 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:17.240 Yeah, it's really interesting. I think it's just a matter 46 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:22.039 of you know, what they're accustomed to, you know, a 47 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:27.360 lot of golf full swing science and information and instruction, 48 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:33.120 especially recently within the last twenty years or so at least, 49 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:37.680 since video has become much more structured and much more 50 00:02:39.120 --> 00:02:42.159 specific and detailed, and that just hasn't really happened with 51 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:48.479 putting that much. And because putting isn't necessarily as difficult 52 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:51.400 a skill in terms of I don't usually hit putts 53 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:55.479 that caused me penalty shots. You know, most people will 54 00:02:55.479 --> 00:02:57.240 tend to spend a little bit more time on the 55 00:02:57.280 --> 00:03:01.919 detail of that because if they hit good shots toward 56 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:04.000 the green, they feel like they've done well. If they 57 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:06.319 hit good puts on the green, whether or not they 58 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:08.639 go in, they still think they've done well. So their 59 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:12.080 expectation of what good is is I think a little 60 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:14.560 bit different based on you know, whatever their skill level 61 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:17.719 is and their perception. I mean, the difference between the 62 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:20.719 worst putter ever and the best putter ever is a 63 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:23.759 much smaller difference than the best striker of the ball 64 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:25.319 and the worst striker of the ball. I mean, the 65 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:29.759 worst putter is not going to have fifty shots of 66 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:32.800 putting more than the best putter, but certainly on ball 67 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:34.759 striking they will so there's you know, I can kind 68 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:37.599 of understand some of that, some of that difference at 69 00:03:37.639 --> 00:03:40.719 least time of what they want to focus on. But 70 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:42.719 when it comes down to making a living at the game, 71 00:03:43.759 --> 00:03:45.879 certainly they're going to have to do both very well 72 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:47.479 and they can't ignore one of them. 73 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:50.120 Is a point difficult for the average golfer. I mean, 74 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:52.080 the people who aren't making a living at the game. 75 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:56.159 Is it difficult to do? Understand or learn? Which one? 76 00:03:56.199 --> 00:04:01.719 Do you think? Yes, start with learn and then do. 77 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:07.039 I'm certainly biased. I mean I learned it and started 78 00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:12.280 doing it very very quickly, and it made perfect sense, 79 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:16.040 was very logical to me. Certain other people have a 80 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:21.399 more difficult time with a three dimensional perception than others, 81 00:04:21.639 --> 00:04:24.000 and the ones that struggle thinking of things in three 82 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:27.560 D will initially have a little bit of a difficult 83 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:32.439 time picturing what we're doing until we actually start doing it. 84 00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:36.079 You know. It's the fundamental class that I spend most 85 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:37.480 of my time teaching is a two and a half 86 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:40.800 hour class, and more than half of it is actually 87 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:44.959 doing putting and reading the ground, reading the green, and 88 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:48.199 the first part of it is, you know, it's fair 89 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:53.399 to say, is fairly information focused, and for a lot 90 00:04:53.399 --> 00:04:56.079 of people though, they'll not really be sure that they're 91 00:04:56.120 --> 00:04:58.199 getting it until we actually start doing it. And then 92 00:04:58.199 --> 00:05:00.120 once we start doing it, then everything starts to make 93 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:03.360 much more sense because most of the things that we 94 00:05:03.399 --> 00:05:06.079 talk about don't necessarily relate to the ball or the hole. 95 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:09.399 Let's relate to just the ground itself. And they're not 96 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:11.000 used to dealing with just the ground. They're used to 97 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:13.199 dealing with their ball and the hole. And how do 98 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:15.560 I get the two together? Well, we spend an hour 99 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:18.480 or so teaching them that those two things don't necessarily 100 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:21.000 matter just yet. Let's figure out what the ground is doing. 101 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:23.000 Let's figure out how step the ground is, Let's figure 102 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:26.439 out some of these other things. And then based on that, Okay, 103 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:28.160 here's your ball, here's your hole, here's what it will do. 104 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:33.480 Until they start putting all the pieces together. For some people, 105 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:37.160 it's a little bit difficult to perceive how they kind 106 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:41.079 of fit together. And I, you know, and you know, 107 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:45.879 I've been teaching it for about four years, and the 108 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:48.600 way that we teach it, the version that we teach 109 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:53.879 it now is the sixth version of since I started 110 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:56.600 doing it. So when I started doing it four years ago, 111 00:05:56.639 --> 00:05:58.959 the way that we used to teach its significantly changed, 112 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:01.600 and the way that we teach it now in an 113 00:06:01.639 --> 00:06:06.040 attempt to make it much more understandable, much more easy, 114 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:08.839 much faster, a whole bunch of these other things that 115 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:11.720 people were we're looking for, you know, in the beginning, 116 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:15.040 it was a little bit more i would say, a 117 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:16.920 little bit more technical. Well, I mean a lot more 118 00:06:16.920 --> 00:06:20.439 technical than it is now, and it would really appeal 119 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:22.319 to the engineers and the doctors and the you know, 120 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:24.439 people that were used to dealing with that kind of idea. 121 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:27.600 You know, over the course of the last four years, 122 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:30.920 we've continually refined it and continually improved it to make 123 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:34.839 it faster, easier to understand, easier to do all of 124 00:06:34.879 --> 00:06:36.920 those things. And the way that we teach it now, 125 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:40.959 I think is about as simple as you can get 126 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:43.879 so far that we've been able to figure out based 127 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:46.000 on what variables you need to figure out, you know, here, 128 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:48.439 here's what they are, here's how you figure them out. 129 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:51.360 Here's the answer. And it doesn't get any more simple 130 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:55.120 than that, Yeah, it really doesn't. 131 00:06:56.040 --> 00:06:58.560 Here's here's I'm going to take a little side thing here. 132 00:06:58.759 --> 00:07:01.519 Can you describe any explain what stemp is. 133 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:09.199 Yeah, sure, stemp is a frictional component of the grass. 134 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:12.759 The term stimp comes from a gentleman whose name was 135 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:15.759 Stimp or maybe Stimp something. The stimp was part of 136 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:18.480 his name, and he came up with this device that 137 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:20.600 he called a Stimp meter, again part of his name, 138 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:25.720 that when placed at a certain height, it would roll 139 00:07:25.720 --> 00:07:30.720 down this ramp and assuming the service was perfectly flat, 140 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:34.800 it would roll a certain distance. And whatever that distance is, 141 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:38.480 let's say it's six feet or ten feet, that that 142 00:07:38.600 --> 00:07:42.439 number would represent the frictional component of the grass itself. 143 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:44.399 So if the ball rolled shorter, that would be a 144 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:46.360 green that was had a lot more friction in it. 145 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:49.879 The ball didn't travel very far, what would typically be 146 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:52.879 called a slower green. If the ball rolled much much further, 147 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:56.439 that would be a grass with a lot less friction 148 00:07:56.519 --> 00:07:59.279 on it, or shorter grass, or however you want to 149 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:03.120 describe it, and that would be called a faster green. 150 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:05.879 So it's just the frictional component of the of the 151 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:09.920 grass itself. It's resistance to roll, if you want to 152 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:10.560 picture it that way. 153 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:15.879 When we're on the practice putting green before around, how 154 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:22.199 much credibility should we give that practice green as to 155 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:24.439 what we're going to be taking out too or around, 156 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:28.000 and what the practice green does versus what's going to 157 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:29.639 be happening on the greens. 158 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:36.039 Well, generally speaking, the folks that work in the maintenance 159 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:39.919 area of a golf course will tend to mow the 160 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:43.799 greens with the same machine, or at least they won't 161 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:47.720 specifically change the mower blade for one green versus another, 162 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:51.519 because that's an incredible amount of extra work to do. So, 163 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:54.679 assuming that the greens were built around the same time, 164 00:08:55.919 --> 00:09:00.159 they'll be nearly identical. Now, if it was a the 165 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:02.360 old course and the putt and green didn't fit in 166 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:05.000 the original design and they built it later, maybe they 167 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:08.639 could be different, but the superintent and the maintenance crew 168 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:11.080 usually try to make them as close together as possible 169 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:15.320 to make the experience match. As certainly there have been 170 00:09:15.399 --> 00:09:18.759 occasions where they haven't matched, or you might have a 171 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:20.759 green that will be a different stimp in the morning 172 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:23.240 than in the afternoon, then again in the evening, which 173 00:09:23.279 --> 00:09:26.120 is depending on wind or rain or other environmental factors. 174 00:09:26.120 --> 00:09:31.000 That's certainly something that does occur. But relative to the 175 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:34.000 actual green and the putt and green, generally they tend 176 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:35.519 to be sane, just because it's a lot easier on 177 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:37.200 the crew to make them the same, trying to make 178 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:37.720 them different. 179 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:42.720 You mentioned wind and rain, and I can completely understand 180 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:44.960 when a ball's in flight how the wind will have 181 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:49.200 an impact on it. But how much impact can a 182 00:09:49.279 --> 00:09:54.639 wind have on a putt? A and multiple questions I'm 183 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:56.080 going to throw out here, and I apologize because I 184 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:56.720 don't like doing that. 185 00:09:56.799 --> 00:09:58.320 But what. 186 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:01.240 How long does the putt? 187 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:04.559 You know, generally is you know, longer put's gonna have 188 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:06.480 there's gonna be more impact from the wind. 189 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:08.720 And how much wind? 190 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:10.919 What kind of wind speed are we talking about that's 191 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:12.399 going to have an impact on a putt? 192 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:17.840 Yeah? Great questions. So the first one being how much 193 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:20.399 effect does wind have? If the wind is fast enough 194 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:23.840 at ground level, it has a major impact, A major, 195 00:10:23.960 --> 00:10:28.799 major impact. A certainly as the ball is rolling for 196 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:33.200 longer distance and longer time, assuming a consistent wind amount 197 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:36.320 and direction, it'll have more of an impact just because 198 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:38.879 of the amount of time it's affecting the ball. The 199 00:10:38.919 --> 00:10:43.720 third one being how much. I can't remember exactly what 200 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:46.600 the number is. I know Marx told it to me 201 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:48.559 a few times, I can't remember if it's twenty. 202 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:49.919 The whole thing is about numbers. 203 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:53.279 I mean, yeah, I know, I know. It's it's such 204 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:55.320 a hard thing to measure because wind is not a 205 00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:58.600 constant force, sure, and the wind that we feel at 206 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:01.519 eye level versus tree top level versus ground level is 207 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:05.279 also different. So trying to actually measure what the actual 208 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:09.279 wind that's hitting the ball is relative to our head, 209 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:12.120 they're not going to be the same, and so we're 210 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:17.679 trying to constantly make an estimation based on what we're 211 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:21.039 dealing with. One rule of thumb that we've been using 212 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:24.080 this that works pretty well. If if you're approaching the 213 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:26.320 green and the wind is strong enough to get the 214 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:29.919 bottom of the actual flag that's on the flag stick horizontal, 215 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:33.639 the wind at ground level will be moving the ball 216 00:11:34.720 --> 00:11:37.159 hm hm, So if there's any droop in the flag. 217 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:39.000 This again, this is a rule of thumb. This is 218 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:41.519 not science. This is just an idea that that we've 219 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:45.039 been working with to kind of help people that if 220 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:48.120 the if the flag starts to get horizontal the bottom 221 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:50.240 of it, the wind at ground level will be moving 222 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:50.519 the ball. 223 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:52.039 Now the bottom of the flag, the. 224 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:53.200 Bottom of the actual flag. 225 00:11:53.320 --> 00:12:01.519 Right. Oh, that that's really an excellent point I never 226 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:04.120 even thought of that. Look, you know, it's like, oh good, okay. 227 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:06.000 You know, like when you're on your approach shot, you're 228 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:07.200 looking for the flag so you. 229 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:07.919 Know where you're headed. 230 00:12:08.200 --> 00:12:12.279 But never thought of, you know, and you obviously looking 231 00:12:12.440 --> 00:12:14.840 at the flag in the tree tops on your ball flight, 232 00:12:14.919 --> 00:12:17.799 but looking at that flag as you're approaching the green 233 00:12:17.919 --> 00:12:19.399 as what kind of impact it's going to have on 234 00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:19.799 your pott. 235 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:20.759 I've never considered that. 236 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:26.080 Yeah, And I mean if for a normal pott that's 237 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:30.039 you know, from let's say, directly across the slope on 238 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:33.360 a slope that's not very steep we'll call average, which 239 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:35.080 we would say is one a two percent slope, a 240 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:39.840 fairly average slope amount. If the wind is going, you know, 241 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:43.799 directly across the path of the pot, and it's that 242 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:45.840 minimum distance that it's going to start moving the ball. 243 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:48.360 For a green that's a stimp of let's say ten, 244 00:12:49.039 --> 00:12:52.240 it'll actually make the ball break the opposite way. Wow, 245 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:55.240 it's a major, major, fat much It's a much greater 246 00:12:55.320 --> 00:12:58.759 impact than grain ever thought it wanted to have, assuming 247 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:02.480 that it's fast enough. But when it's fast enough, it 248 00:13:02.519 --> 00:13:05.519 has a dramatic impact. But it's really hard to predict 249 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:08.240 because it's not usually a constant force. We don't really 250 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:11.559 know exactly how windy it is, but it will certainly 251 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:13.600 affect your chips. They'll roll out like a down wind 252 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:17.279 ship will roll out much more. You know, downwind pots 253 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:19.200 have to hit them a lot softer because the wind 254 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:22.240 will do the rest. I mean, it'll it'll do it'll 255 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:23.000 do a number on it. 256 00:13:23.639 --> 00:13:24.919 Mmm mmm. 257 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:29.799 How Now let's get back to utilizing aame point and 258 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:33.200 determining the break amount. 259 00:13:34.879 --> 00:13:39.080 Right, So the to get an actual break amount, you 260 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:41.360 know that, Well, we have to start, at least for 261 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:45.120 the simplest of putts. We we have to start with 262 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:48.360 the assumption that the slope between the ball and the 263 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:51.440 hole is the same. Now, that may only apply to 264 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:53.720 a certain number of putts that a person runs across 265 00:13:53.799 --> 00:13:57.120 during a day, but we in the initial class, we 266 00:13:57.159 --> 00:13:59.519 start with that assumption. Now we can we can teach 267 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:01.879 people how to predict break on all though the ones 268 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:04.320 with changing slopes and double brakes and all that. But 269 00:14:04.399 --> 00:14:06.279 we start with the general assumption of just a flat, 270 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:10.679 tilted surface, and we go through the process of teaching them. Okay, 271 00:14:10.679 --> 00:14:13.480 here's how you figure out what the angle is. If 272 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:15.399 you can figure out where the fall line is between 273 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:18.200 the ball and the hole. You know, based on where 274 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:21.600 that is, where is my ball relative to that? So 275 00:14:21.639 --> 00:14:24.679 that's one of our steps. The next one would be okay, 276 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:30.120 based on how we either perceive slope, either by sight 277 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:33.679 or again by feel, we tend to do more field 278 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:38.399 based things. If you picture someone standing on a slope, 279 00:14:38.919 --> 00:14:41.279 if it had no slope, their shin and foot would 280 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:45.399 be about a ninety degree angle or so, and as 281 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:50.559 a slope gets steeper, that angle between their ankle gets less. 282 00:14:51.399 --> 00:14:54.840 So we don't necessarily use an ankle or an angle 283 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:56.960 reference of how my shin and my foot relate to 284 00:14:57.039 --> 00:15:01.320 each other, but based on how those two are coming together, 285 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:04.240 will feel pressure in different places in the foot, whether 286 00:15:04.279 --> 00:15:06.240 it be more even or more toward the heel and 287 00:15:06.320 --> 00:15:09.240 more toward the toe, all depending on what type of 288 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:12.200 slope that we're dealing with. We start to acquire a feel, 289 00:15:12.559 --> 00:15:16.480 an actual quantifiable feel for this feeling feels like this 290 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:18.120 slope is this amount, and then we measure it and 291 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:20.759 see how we do when we're practicing. So we actually 292 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:23.799 start to train a field based event for how steep 293 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:28.360 the ground actually is, and then you know, we need 294 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:31.039 to figure out our distance from the hole. Again, we 295 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:32.879 can do that by sight, or if we want to 296 00:15:32.919 --> 00:15:35.120 pace it off, we can do that too. And then now, 297 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:41.720 based on those things, we look up the expected break 298 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:45.320 amount based on those inputs in the aim chart that 299 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:48.080 we provide during the class, and then we hit it 300 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:52.759 and see what happens. And based on what occurs, we say, okay, 301 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:54.919 well you know, did the ball start online, did it 302 00:15:54.960 --> 00:15:59.200 go the distance that we're recommending for these numbers. If 303 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:00.960 it did both of those things and it didn't go in, 304 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:03.440 then we can go back and measure each of the 305 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:06.559 pieces that we just determined, see which ones we got right, 306 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:09.120 which ones we got wrong, and then if any change 307 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:11.399 is needed, we'd make that change and then readjust the answer. 308 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:15.200 And it was that reason, the ability to figure out 309 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:18.799 why I got something wrong, that I got involved, and 310 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:22.000 why I enjoyed teaching it. I mean, I'll be more 311 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:24.080 than happy to win a class, to purposely do one 312 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:29.039 wrong because everybody wants to see a breakdown, and then 313 00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:30.840 to go back and say, okay, well, clearly what I 314 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:32.799 did here was wrong. Let's go back and measure it all, 315 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:36.759 see what I got wrong, relook up the expected to 316 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:38.919 break them out, hit it again and then watch it 317 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:40.879 go in and then they're like, oh, that's pretty cool. 318 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:43.639 So even though even though you can do it wrong, 319 00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:45.519 you can figure out why you got it wrong. There's 320 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:48.159 no more you know, looking at your coach and you 321 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:49.960 hit one that goes way to the right slice and 322 00:16:49.960 --> 00:16:51.720 you're like, well, that felt just like my last wing. 323 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:53.799 Why did it go to the right And there could 324 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:59.000 be you know, some amount of answers to that, And 325 00:16:59.080 --> 00:17:01.440 with putting, there never has been an answer why didn't 326 00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:04.160 it do that? Or you know, was it the Indio, 327 00:17:04.759 --> 00:17:06.200 you know, the Valley of India, or was it the 328 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:08.519 Vegas Strip or was it the mountains or the Raised 329 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:12.039 Creek or the water or downtown Phoenix or whatever. A 330 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:14.160 whole bunch of myths that have been kind of generated 331 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:17.920 to kind of help explain what they didn't measure before, 332 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:20.720 to help them predict what the ball was going to do. 333 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:23.960 We can say, well, this is why I did this. 334 00:17:24.119 --> 00:17:25.480 We can we can go out and figure out just 335 00:17:25.519 --> 00:17:28.359 measure it all and figure it out. And that's that's 336 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:30.480 really why I got involved. But it's it's it's simply 337 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:34.559 those those skills, actual the skill development that the golfer 338 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:37.599 has to do. Can I determine what direction the ground 339 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:41.279 is going based on that? Can I determine where my 340 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:43.759 ball is relative to that? Can I determine how steep 341 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:46.319 the ground is between the ball and the hole, and 342 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:48.599 then how far away? That's obviously the most intuitive one. 343 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:53.160 And then based on those things and a certain stimp amount, 344 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:55.200 just look at the answer and try to hit it. 345 00:17:55.200 --> 00:17:56.000 See if we can do it. 346 00:17:57.279 --> 00:17:59.240 That's always the case. Let's see if we can do it. 347 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:01.440 Yeah. 348 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:07.039 Do you have any preference when you're working with people 349 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:12.319 on the type of grip that they have, whether they 350 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:16.039 use an anchored butter our favorite topic these days, an 351 00:18:16.079 --> 00:18:20.960 anchored putter, or you know, if they have a fat grip, 352 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:23.559 or where their hands are, or the type if they're 353 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:25.960 using a blade or a mallet. Does any of that 354 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:29.839 have any effect on how we use aim point? 355 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:34.759 No, No, it certainly has an effect on their ability 356 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:38.720 to do the other skills, which are starting it online 357 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:40.799 and hitting it at a speed that they're trying to 358 00:18:40.839 --> 00:18:44.880 hit it at relative to what we do, which is, 359 00:18:45.079 --> 00:18:47.519 you know, just one small little niche of can we 360 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:51.480 choose an appropriate target their ability to hold a putter? 361 00:18:51.799 --> 00:18:55.160 You know, with their feet doesn't really matter, as you know, 362 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:57.720 whether they holding their hands or belly putters or long putters. 363 00:18:58.240 --> 00:19:01.799 Choosing the target is completely separate from all that. Now, 364 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:04.720 if a player comes to us and says, okay, this 365 00:19:04.839 --> 00:19:06.640 is great, but I can't hit any of my putts 366 00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:09.400 where this target is. What good does this do me? Well, 367 00:19:09.640 --> 00:19:11.720 you know, that's a whole other topic that you know, 368 00:19:12.039 --> 00:19:15.440 a putting instructor or their normal coach or or one 369 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:17.240 of us will get into. But most of the time 370 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:20.920 that we're spending teaching is initially just on the on 371 00:19:20.960 --> 00:19:22.759 the targeting piece, choosing the right target. 372 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:25.079 So you're you're making a basic assumption that they're going 373 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:28.160 to get the ball on the proper line from the start. 374 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:32.799 Well, not necessarily making that assumption, but we're telling them 375 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:35.359 that if they do, this is what will happen. And 376 00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:39.240 then if they don't, then their normal teachers should say, Okay, 377 00:19:39.279 --> 00:19:44.160 it's not that you're actually choosing I should say this. 378 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:46.160 It's not that you're actually putting it poorly, but you've 379 00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:48.720 been choosing the wrong target all along, Or it's not 380 00:19:48.759 --> 00:19:50.799 that you're choosing the right target and you're hitting it poorly. 381 00:19:50.839 --> 00:19:55.759 Now they can actually define when they miss. Did I 382 00:19:55.839 --> 00:19:58.240 hit the putt online or not? Did I choose the 383 00:19:58.319 --> 00:20:00.200 right target or not? And they can much more or 384 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:04.519 clearly define what skills are lacking based on that. If 385 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:07.079 we never know if the target's right or not, how 386 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:08.599 do we ever know if we hit a good part. 387 00:20:09.799 --> 00:20:12.200 So once you know that we can prove that the 388 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:15.119 target is correct. Now you can see, Okay, did this 389 00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:17.039 player actually start it there? Yes or no? Did the 390 00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:20.079 player hit it the appropriate speed? Yes or no? And 391 00:20:20.119 --> 00:20:24.559 they can actually start to specifically see where practice relative 392 00:20:24.559 --> 00:20:27.640 to their putting skills is. Is it Okay, I do 393 00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:29.680 have a good stroke, but I've been choosing the wrong 394 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:31.279 target because now with the right target, I make a 395 00:20:31.319 --> 00:20:36.119 lot more. Or you know, do I need to work 396 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:37.839 on my speed because one time I hit it a 397 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:39.559 foot shore and the time I hit it five feet long? 398 00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:42.240 But the ball starts online okay? Or is the ball 399 00:20:42.279 --> 00:20:45.279 never starting online? Either? In either case, it gives a 400 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:48.240 much more direction as to where to focus their time. 401 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:56.519