1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: For members only. 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 2: Golf Smarter number three hundred and seventy seven, published on 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,360 March twenty six, twenty thirteen. 4 00:00:07,519 --> 00:00:12,519 Speaker 3: Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain 5 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,160 insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the 6 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:22,160 Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets Old. Our 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:27,079 interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations 8 00:00:27,199 --> 00:00:30,719 like this that are no longer available in any podcast app. 9 00:00:30,839 --> 00:00:32,679 Speaker 4: The only part of the green that's going to affect 10 00:00:32,719 --> 00:00:34,560 the ball is the part the ball rolls on and 11 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,920 actually touches, so all the rest of it is completely ignorable. 12 00:00:38,039 --> 00:00:40,000 You know where the mountains are, where the high points 13 00:00:40,039 --> 00:00:42,880 on the green are. All that stuff is completely ignorable. 14 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:44,560 If the ball is not going to actually touch it. 15 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:46,799 I need to figure out what the ground is doing 16 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,799 when the ball is actually rolling. And once you learn 17 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:51,719 how to do it and what you're looking for or 18 00:00:51,759 --> 00:00:55,520 feeling for. It's very hard to fool a person's balance, 19 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,759 except maybe you know, like late Friday night or late 20 00:00:58,759 --> 00:01:01,920 Saturday night, after a couple of you know, their balance 21 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,000 isn't so good. Aside from that, very few people fall 22 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,439 down when they walk, so their body is constantly making 23 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,519 this adjustment every single step that it takes. That's kind 24 00:01:10,519 --> 00:01:12,359 of usually running in the background, and we're trying to 25 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,439 take that idea of that sensation and kind of pull 26 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,200 it to the forefront and say this footstep differently than 27 00:01:17,239 --> 00:01:18,920 this one. Did it go up, did it go down? 28 00:01:19,159 --> 00:01:21,519 Did you feel left or right? All of these sensations 29 00:01:21,519 --> 00:01:23,120 are learnable and teachable. 30 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 2: Eliminate misreading the greens, break direction. More on ame point 31 00:01:32,599 --> 00:01:33,319 with John Graham. 32 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,079 Speaker 1: This is Golf Smarter. 33 00:01:35,799 --> 00:01:38,719 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Golf Smarter for members only. John, Hello, 34 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,120 thank you for sticking around. 35 00:01:41,239 --> 00:01:42,239 Speaker 1: This is absolut awesome. 36 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:44,879 Speaker 2: One of the last comments that you made, you were 37 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,239 talking about how people like they need to know, you know, 38 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,000 their launch angle and the spin rate, and then when 39 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,040 they're on their approach, you know, for their drives, and 40 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,000 then with their approach shots they want to know, you know, 41 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,480 GPS is not exacting enough. They have to do a rangefinder, 42 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,879 like they can get that close. And yet the part 43 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,319 of your scorecard that allows you twice as many shots 44 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,560 as anything else, they don't think it's that important. 45 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really interesting. I think it's just a matter 46 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:22,039 of you know, what they're accustomed to, you know, a 47 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:27,360 lot of golf full swing science and information and instruction, 48 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:33,120 especially recently within the last twenty years or so at least, 49 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:37,680 since video has become much more structured and much more 50 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,159 specific and detailed, and that just hasn't really happened with 51 00:02:42,199 --> 00:02:48,479 putting that much. And because putting isn't necessarily as difficult 52 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,400 a skill in terms of I don't usually hit putts 53 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,479 that caused me penalty shots. You know, most people will 54 00:02:55,479 --> 00:02:57,240 tend to spend a little bit more time on the 55 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,919 detail of that because if they hit good shots toward 56 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,000 the green, they feel like they've done well. If they 57 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,319 hit good puts on the green, whether or not they 58 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,639 go in, they still think they've done well. So their 59 00:03:08,719 --> 00:03:12,080 expectation of what good is is I think a little 60 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,560 bit different based on you know, whatever their skill level 61 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,719 is and their perception. I mean, the difference between the 62 00:03:17,759 --> 00:03:20,719 worst putter ever and the best putter ever is a 63 00:03:20,759 --> 00:03:23,759 much smaller difference than the best striker of the ball 64 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,319 and the worst striker of the ball. I mean, the 65 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,759 worst putter is not going to have fifty shots of 66 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,800 putting more than the best putter, but certainly on ball 67 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:34,759 striking they will so there's you know, I can kind 68 00:03:34,759 --> 00:03:37,599 of understand some of that, some of that difference at 69 00:03:37,639 --> 00:03:40,719 least time of what they want to focus on. But 70 00:03:40,759 --> 00:03:42,719 when it comes down to making a living at the game, 71 00:03:43,759 --> 00:03:45,879 certainly they're going to have to do both very well 72 00:03:45,879 --> 00:03:47,479 and they can't ignore one of them. 73 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: Is a point difficult for the average golfer. I mean, 74 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,080 the people who aren't making a living at the game. 75 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,159 Speaker 4: Is it difficult to do? Understand or learn? Which one? 76 00:03:56,199 --> 00:04:01,719 Speaker 1: Do you think? Yes, start with learn and then do. 77 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:07,039 Speaker 4: I'm certainly biased. I mean I learned it and started 78 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:12,280 doing it very very quickly, and it made perfect sense, 79 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,040 was very logical to me. Certain other people have a 80 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:21,399 more difficult time with a three dimensional perception than others, 81 00:04:21,639 --> 00:04:24,000 and the ones that struggle thinking of things in three 82 00:04:24,079 --> 00:04:27,560 D will initially have a little bit of a difficult 83 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:32,439 time picturing what we're doing until we actually start doing it. 84 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,079 You know. It's the fundamental class that I spend most 85 00:04:36,079 --> 00:04:37,480 of my time teaching is a two and a half 86 00:04:37,519 --> 00:04:40,800 hour class, and more than half of it is actually 87 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,959 doing putting and reading the ground, reading the green, and 88 00:04:45,199 --> 00:04:48,199 the first part of it is, you know, it's fair 89 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:53,399 to say, is fairly information focused, and for a lot 90 00:04:53,399 --> 00:04:56,079 of people though, they'll not really be sure that they're 91 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,199 getting it until we actually start doing it. And then 92 00:04:58,199 --> 00:05:00,120 once we start doing it, then everything starts to make 93 00:05:00,199 --> 00:05:03,360 much more sense because most of the things that we 94 00:05:03,399 --> 00:05:06,079 talk about don't necessarily relate to the ball or the hole. 95 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,399 Let's relate to just the ground itself. And they're not 96 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,000 used to dealing with just the ground. They're used to 97 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,199 dealing with their ball and the hole. And how do 98 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,560 I get the two together? Well, we spend an hour 99 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,480 or so teaching them that those two things don't necessarily 100 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,000 matter just yet. Let's figure out what the ground is doing. 101 00:05:21,079 --> 00:05:23,000 Let's figure out how step the ground is, Let's figure 102 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,439 out some of these other things. And then based on that, Okay, 103 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,160 here's your ball, here's your hole, here's what it will do. 104 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,480 Until they start putting all the pieces together. For some people, 105 00:05:33,519 --> 00:05:37,160 it's a little bit difficult to perceive how they kind 106 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,079 of fit together. And I, you know, and you know, 107 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,879 I've been teaching it for about four years, and the 108 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,600 way that we teach it, the version that we teach 109 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:53,879 it now is the sixth version of since I started 110 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,600 doing it. So when I started doing it four years ago, 111 00:05:56,639 --> 00:05:58,959 the way that we used to teach its significantly changed, 112 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,600 and the way that we teach it now in an 113 00:06:01,639 --> 00:06:06,040 attempt to make it much more understandable, much more easy, 114 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,839 much faster, a whole bunch of these other things that 115 00:06:08,879 --> 00:06:11,720 people were we're looking for, you know, in the beginning, 116 00:06:11,759 --> 00:06:15,040 it was a little bit more i would say, a 117 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:16,920 little bit more technical. Well, I mean a lot more 118 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,439 technical than it is now, and it would really appeal 119 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,319 to the engineers and the doctors and the you know, 120 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,439 people that were used to dealing with that kind of idea. 121 00:06:25,759 --> 00:06:27,600 You know, over the course of the last four years, 122 00:06:27,639 --> 00:06:30,920 we've continually refined it and continually improved it to make 123 00:06:30,959 --> 00:06:34,839 it faster, easier to understand, easier to do all of 124 00:06:34,879 --> 00:06:36,920 those things. And the way that we teach it now, 125 00:06:36,959 --> 00:06:40,959 I think is about as simple as you can get 126 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,879 so far that we've been able to figure out based 127 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,000 on what variables you need to figure out, you know, here, 128 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,439 here's what they are, here's how you figure them out. 129 00:06:49,399 --> 00:06:51,360 Here's the answer. And it doesn't get any more simple 130 00:06:51,399 --> 00:06:55,120 than that, Yeah, it really doesn't. 131 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 2: Here's here's I'm going to take a little side thing here. 132 00:06:58,759 --> 00:07:01,519 Can you describe any explain what stemp is. 133 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:09,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, stemp is a frictional component of the grass. 134 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,759 The term stimp comes from a gentleman whose name was 135 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,759 Stimp or maybe Stimp something. The stimp was part of 136 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,480 his name, and he came up with this device that 137 00:07:18,519 --> 00:07:20,600 he called a Stimp meter, again part of his name, 138 00:07:21,199 --> 00:07:25,720 that when placed at a certain height, it would roll 139 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:30,720 down this ramp and assuming the service was perfectly flat, 140 00:07:31,279 --> 00:07:34,800 it would roll a certain distance. And whatever that distance is, 141 00:07:35,519 --> 00:07:38,480 let's say it's six feet or ten feet, that that 142 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,439 number would represent the frictional component of the grass itself. 143 00:07:42,519 --> 00:07:44,399 So if the ball rolled shorter, that would be a 144 00:07:44,439 --> 00:07:46,360 green that was had a lot more friction in it. 145 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,879 The ball didn't travel very far, what would typically be 146 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,879 called a slower green. If the ball rolled much much further, 147 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,439 that would be a grass with a lot less friction 148 00:07:56,519 --> 00:07:59,279 on it, or shorter grass, or however you want to 149 00:07:59,279 --> 00:08:03,120 describe it, and that would be called a faster green. 150 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,879 So it's just the frictional component of the of the 151 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,920 grass itself. It's resistance to roll, if you want to 152 00:08:09,959 --> 00:08:10,560 picture it that way. 153 00:08:11,439 --> 00:08:15,879 Speaker 2: When we're on the practice putting green before around, how 154 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:22,199 much credibility should we give that practice green as to 155 00:08:22,319 --> 00:08:24,439 what we're going to be taking out too or around, 156 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,000 and what the practice green does versus what's going to 157 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,639 be happening on the greens. 158 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:36,039 Speaker 4: Well, generally speaking, the folks that work in the maintenance 159 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,919 area of a golf course will tend to mow the 160 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:43,799 greens with the same machine, or at least they won't 161 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,720 specifically change the mower blade for one green versus another, 162 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:51,519 because that's an incredible amount of extra work to do. So, 163 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,679 assuming that the greens were built around the same time, 164 00:08:55,919 --> 00:09:00,159 they'll be nearly identical. Now, if it was a the 165 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,360 old course and the putt and green didn't fit in 166 00:09:02,399 --> 00:09:05,000 the original design and they built it later, maybe they 167 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,639 could be different, but the superintent and the maintenance crew 168 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,080 usually try to make them as close together as possible 169 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:15,320 to make the experience match. As certainly there have been 170 00:09:15,399 --> 00:09:18,759 occasions where they haven't matched, or you might have a 171 00:09:18,799 --> 00:09:20,759 green that will be a different stimp in the morning 172 00:09:20,799 --> 00:09:23,240 than in the afternoon, then again in the evening, which 173 00:09:23,279 --> 00:09:26,120 is depending on wind or rain or other environmental factors. 174 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:31,000 That's certainly something that does occur. But relative to the 175 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:34,000 actual green and the putt and green, generally they tend 176 00:09:34,039 --> 00:09:35,519 to be sane, just because it's a lot easier on 177 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,200 the crew to make them the same, trying to make 178 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:37,720 them different. 179 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: You mentioned wind and rain, and I can completely understand 180 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,960 when a ball's in flight how the wind will have 181 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,200 an impact on it. But how much impact can a 182 00:09:49,279 --> 00:09:54,639 wind have on a putt? A and multiple questions I'm 183 00:09:54,639 --> 00:09:56,080 going to throw out here, and I apologize because I 184 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:56,720 don't like doing that. 185 00:09:56,799 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 4: But what. 186 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: How long does the putt? 187 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 2: You know, generally is you know, longer put's gonna have 188 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,480 there's gonna be more impact from the wind. 189 00:10:07,039 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: And how much wind? 190 00:10:09,039 --> 00:10:10,919 Speaker 2: What kind of wind speed are we talking about that's 191 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:12,399 going to have an impact on a putt? 192 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 4: Yeah? Great questions. So the first one being how much 193 00:10:17,879 --> 00:10:20,399 effect does wind have? If the wind is fast enough 194 00:10:20,399 --> 00:10:23,840 at ground level, it has a major impact, A major, 195 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:28,799 major impact. A certainly as the ball is rolling for 196 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,200 longer distance and longer time, assuming a consistent wind amount 197 00:10:33,279 --> 00:10:36,320 and direction, it'll have more of an impact just because 198 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,879 of the amount of time it's affecting the ball. The 199 00:10:38,919 --> 00:10:43,720 third one being how much. I can't remember exactly what 200 00:10:43,759 --> 00:10:46,600 the number is. I know Marx told it to me 201 00:10:46,639 --> 00:10:48,559 a few times, I can't remember if it's twenty. 202 00:10:48,639 --> 00:10:49,919 Speaker 1: The whole thing is about numbers. 203 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,279 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I know, I know. It's it's such 204 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,320 a hard thing to measure because wind is not a 205 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,600 constant force, sure, and the wind that we feel at 206 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,519 eye level versus tree top level versus ground level is 207 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,279 also different. So trying to actually measure what the actual 208 00:11:05,799 --> 00:11:09,279 wind that's hitting the ball is relative to our head, 209 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,120 they're not going to be the same, and so we're 210 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:17,679 trying to constantly make an estimation based on what we're 211 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,039 dealing with. One rule of thumb that we've been using 212 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,080 this that works pretty well. If if you're approaching the 213 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,320 green and the wind is strong enough to get the 214 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,919 bottom of the actual flag that's on the flag stick horizontal, 215 00:11:31,799 --> 00:11:33,639 the wind at ground level will be moving the ball 216 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,159 hm hm, So if there's any droop in the flag. 217 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,000 This again, this is a rule of thumb. This is 218 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,519 not science. This is just an idea that that we've 219 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,039 been working with to kind of help people that if 220 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,120 the if the flag starts to get horizontal the bottom 221 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,240 of it, the wind at ground level will be moving 222 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:50,519 the ball. 223 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,039 Speaker 1: Now the bottom of the flag, the. 224 00:11:52,039 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 4: Bottom of the actual flag. 225 00:11:53,320 --> 00:12:01,519 Speaker 2: Right. Oh, that that's really an excellent point I never 226 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:04,120 even thought of that. Look, you know, it's like, oh good, okay. 227 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,000 You know, like when you're on your approach shot, you're 228 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,200 looking for the flag so you. 229 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:07,919 Speaker 1: Know where you're headed. 230 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:12,279 Speaker 2: But never thought of, you know, and you obviously looking 231 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,840 at the flag in the tree tops on your ball flight, 232 00:12:14,919 --> 00:12:17,799 but looking at that flag as you're approaching the green 233 00:12:17,919 --> 00:12:19,399 as what kind of impact it's going to have on 234 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:19,799 your pott. 235 00:12:19,879 --> 00:12:20,759 Speaker 1: I've never considered that. 236 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean if for a normal pott that's 237 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,039 you know, from let's say, directly across the slope on 238 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,360 a slope that's not very steep we'll call average, which 239 00:12:33,399 --> 00:12:35,080 we would say is one a two percent slope, a 240 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:39,840 fairly average slope amount. If the wind is going, you know, 241 00:12:39,919 --> 00:12:43,799 directly across the path of the pot, and it's that 242 00:12:43,879 --> 00:12:45,840 minimum distance that it's going to start moving the ball. 243 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,360 For a green that's a stimp of let's say ten, 244 00:12:49,039 --> 00:12:52,240 it'll actually make the ball break the opposite way. Wow, 245 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,240 it's a major, major, fat much It's a much greater 246 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,759 impact than grain ever thought it wanted to have, assuming 247 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,480 that it's fast enough. But when it's fast enough, it 248 00:13:02,519 --> 00:13:05,519 has a dramatic impact. But it's really hard to predict 249 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:08,240 because it's not usually a constant force. We don't really 250 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,559 know exactly how windy it is, but it will certainly 251 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,600 affect your chips. They'll roll out like a down wind 252 00:13:13,639 --> 00:13:17,279 ship will roll out much more. You know, downwind pots 253 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,200 have to hit them a lot softer because the wind 254 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,240 will do the rest. I mean, it'll it'll do it'll 255 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:23,000 do a number on it. 256 00:13:23,639 --> 00:13:24,919 Speaker 1: Mmm mmm. 257 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,799 Speaker 2: How Now let's get back to utilizing aame point and 258 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,200 determining the break amount. 259 00:13:34,879 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 4: Right, So the to get an actual break amount, you 260 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,360 know that, Well, we have to start, at least for 261 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,120 the simplest of putts. We we have to start with 262 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,360 the assumption that the slope between the ball and the 263 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,440 hole is the same. Now, that may only apply to 264 00:13:51,519 --> 00:13:53,720 a certain number of putts that a person runs across 265 00:13:53,799 --> 00:13:57,120 during a day, but we in the initial class, we 266 00:13:57,159 --> 00:13:59,519 start with that assumption. Now we can we can teach 267 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,879 people how to predict break on all though the ones 268 00:14:01,919 --> 00:14:04,320 with changing slopes and double brakes and all that. But 269 00:14:04,399 --> 00:14:06,279 we start with the general assumption of just a flat, 270 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:10,679 tilted surface, and we go through the process of teaching them. Okay, 271 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,480 here's how you figure out what the angle is. If 272 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:15,399 you can figure out where the fall line is between 273 00:14:15,399 --> 00:14:18,200 the ball and the hole. You know, based on where 274 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,600 that is, where is my ball relative to that? So 275 00:14:21,639 --> 00:14:24,679 that's one of our steps. The next one would be okay, 276 00:14:24,759 --> 00:14:30,120 based on how we either perceive slope, either by sight 277 00:14:30,279 --> 00:14:33,679 or again by feel, we tend to do more field 278 00:14:33,679 --> 00:14:38,399 based things. If you picture someone standing on a slope, 279 00:14:38,919 --> 00:14:41,279 if it had no slope, their shin and foot would 280 00:14:41,279 --> 00:14:45,399 be about a ninety degree angle or so, and as 281 00:14:45,399 --> 00:14:50,559 a slope gets steeper, that angle between their ankle gets less. 282 00:14:51,399 --> 00:14:54,840 So we don't necessarily use an ankle or an angle 283 00:14:54,879 --> 00:14:56,960 reference of how my shin and my foot relate to 284 00:14:57,039 --> 00:15:01,320 each other, but based on how those two are coming together, 285 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,240 will feel pressure in different places in the foot, whether 286 00:15:04,279 --> 00:15:06,240 it be more even or more toward the heel and 287 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,240 more toward the toe, all depending on what type of 288 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,200 slope that we're dealing with. We start to acquire a feel, 289 00:15:12,559 --> 00:15:16,480 an actual quantifiable feel for this feeling feels like this 290 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,120 slope is this amount, and then we measure it and 291 00:15:18,159 --> 00:15:20,759 see how we do when we're practicing. So we actually 292 00:15:20,759 --> 00:15:23,799 start to train a field based event for how steep 293 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,360 the ground actually is, and then you know, we need 294 00:15:28,399 --> 00:15:31,039 to figure out our distance from the hole. Again, we 295 00:15:31,039 --> 00:15:32,879 can do that by sight, or if we want to 296 00:15:32,919 --> 00:15:35,120 pace it off, we can do that too. And then now, 297 00:15:35,159 --> 00:15:41,720 based on those things, we look up the expected break 298 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,320 amount based on those inputs in the aim chart that 299 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,080 we provide during the class, and then we hit it 300 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,759 and see what happens. And based on what occurs, we say, okay, 301 00:15:52,799 --> 00:15:54,919 well you know, did the ball start online, did it 302 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:59,200 go the distance that we're recommending for these numbers. If 303 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:00,960 it did both of those things and it didn't go in, 304 00:16:01,879 --> 00:16:03,440 then we can go back and measure each of the 305 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,559 pieces that we just determined, see which ones we got right, 306 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,120 which ones we got wrong, and then if any change 307 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,399 is needed, we'd make that change and then readjust the answer. 308 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,200 And it was that reason, the ability to figure out 309 00:16:15,639 --> 00:16:18,799 why I got something wrong, that I got involved, and 310 00:16:18,799 --> 00:16:22,000 why I enjoyed teaching it. I mean, I'll be more 311 00:16:22,039 --> 00:16:24,080 than happy to win a class, to purposely do one 312 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:29,039 wrong because everybody wants to see a breakdown, and then 313 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,840 to go back and say, okay, well, clearly what I 314 00:16:30,879 --> 00:16:32,799 did here was wrong. Let's go back and measure it all, 315 00:16:33,399 --> 00:16:36,759 see what I got wrong, relook up the expected to 316 00:16:36,799 --> 00:16:38,919 break them out, hit it again and then watch it 317 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:40,879 go in and then they're like, oh, that's pretty cool. 318 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,639 So even though even though you can do it wrong, 319 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,519 you can figure out why you got it wrong. There's 320 00:16:45,559 --> 00:16:48,159 no more you know, looking at your coach and you 321 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:49,960 hit one that goes way to the right slice and 322 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:51,720 you're like, well, that felt just like my last wing. 323 00:16:51,759 --> 00:16:53,799 Why did it go to the right And there could 324 00:16:53,799 --> 00:16:59,000 be you know, some amount of answers to that, And 325 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,440 with putting, there never has been an answer why didn't 326 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,160 it do that? Or you know, was it the Indio, 327 00:17:04,759 --> 00:17:06,200 you know, the Valley of India, or was it the 328 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,519 Vegas Strip or was it the mountains or the Raised 329 00:17:08,519 --> 00:17:12,039 Creek or the water or downtown Phoenix or whatever. A 330 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:14,160 whole bunch of myths that have been kind of generated 331 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,920 to kind of help explain what they didn't measure before, 332 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,720 to help them predict what the ball was going to do. 333 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:23,960 We can say, well, this is why I did this. 334 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:25,480 We can we can go out and figure out just 335 00:17:25,519 --> 00:17:28,359 measure it all and figure it out. And that's that's 336 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,480 really why I got involved. But it's it's it's simply 337 00:17:30,519 --> 00:17:34,559 those those skills, actual the skill development that the golfer 338 00:17:34,599 --> 00:17:37,599 has to do. Can I determine what direction the ground 339 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,279 is going based on that? Can I determine where my 340 00:17:41,319 --> 00:17:43,759 ball is relative to that? Can I determine how steep 341 00:17:43,839 --> 00:17:46,319 the ground is between the ball and the hole, and 342 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,599 then how far away? That's obviously the most intuitive one. 343 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,160 And then based on those things and a certain stimp amount, 344 00:17:53,599 --> 00:17:55,200 just look at the answer and try to hit it. 345 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:56,000 See if we can do it. 346 00:17:57,279 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: That's always the case. Let's see if we can do it. 347 00:17:59,559 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. 348 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:07,039 Speaker 2: Do you have any preference when you're working with people 349 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:12,319 on the type of grip that they have, whether they 350 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,039 use an anchored butter our favorite topic these days, an 351 00:18:16,079 --> 00:18:20,960 anchored putter, or you know, if they have a fat grip, 352 00:18:21,079 --> 00:18:23,559 or where their hands are, or the type if they're 353 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,960 using a blade or a mallet. Does any of that 354 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,839 have any effect on how we use aim point? 355 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,759 Speaker 4: No, No, it certainly has an effect on their ability 356 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,720 to do the other skills, which are starting it online 357 00:18:38,759 --> 00:18:40,799 and hitting it at a speed that they're trying to 358 00:18:40,839 --> 00:18:44,880 hit it at relative to what we do, which is, 359 00:18:45,079 --> 00:18:47,519 you know, just one small little niche of can we 360 00:18:47,599 --> 00:18:51,480 choose an appropriate target their ability to hold a putter? 361 00:18:51,799 --> 00:18:55,160 You know, with their feet doesn't really matter, as you know, 362 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,720 whether they holding their hands or belly putters or long putters. 363 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,799 Choosing the target is completely separate from all that. Now, 364 00:19:02,039 --> 00:19:04,720 if a player comes to us and says, okay, this 365 00:19:04,839 --> 00:19:06,640 is great, but I can't hit any of my putts 366 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,400 where this target is. What good does this do me? Well, 367 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,720 you know, that's a whole other topic that you know, 368 00:19:12,039 --> 00:19:15,440 a putting instructor or their normal coach or or one 369 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,240 of us will get into. But most of the time 370 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,920 that we're spending teaching is initially just on the on 371 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,759 the targeting piece, choosing the right target. 372 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,079 Speaker 2: So you're you're making a basic assumption that they're going 373 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,160 to get the ball on the proper line from the start. 374 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,799 Speaker 4: Well, not necessarily making that assumption, but we're telling them 375 00:19:32,759 --> 00:19:35,359 that if they do, this is what will happen. And 376 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,240 then if they don't, then their normal teachers should say, Okay, 377 00:19:39,279 --> 00:19:44,160 it's not that you're actually choosing I should say this. 378 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,160 It's not that you're actually putting it poorly, but you've 379 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,720 been choosing the wrong target all along, Or it's not 380 00:19:48,759 --> 00:19:50,799 that you're choosing the right target and you're hitting it poorly. 381 00:19:50,839 --> 00:19:55,759 Now they can actually define when they miss. Did I 382 00:19:55,839 --> 00:19:58,240 hit the putt online or not? Did I choose the 383 00:19:58,319 --> 00:20:00,200 right target or not? And they can much more or 384 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:04,519 clearly define what skills are lacking based on that. If 385 00:20:04,799 --> 00:20:07,079 we never know if the target's right or not, how 386 00:20:07,079 --> 00:20:08,599 do we ever know if we hit a good part. 387 00:20:09,799 --> 00:20:12,200 So once you know that we can prove that the 388 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,119 target is correct. Now you can see, Okay, did this 389 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,039 player actually start it there? Yes or no? Did the 390 00:20:17,079 --> 00:20:20,079 player hit it the appropriate speed? Yes or no? And 391 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:24,559 they can actually start to specifically see where practice relative 392 00:20:24,559 --> 00:20:27,640 to their putting skills is. Is it Okay, I do 393 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,680 have a good stroke, but I've been choosing the wrong 394 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,279 target because now with the right target, I make a 395 00:20:31,319 --> 00:20:36,119 lot more. Or you know, do I need to work 396 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:37,839 on my speed because one time I hit it a 397 00:20:37,839 --> 00:20:39,559 foot shore and the time I hit it five feet long? 398 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,240 But the ball starts online okay? Or is the ball 399 00:20:42,279 --> 00:20:45,279 never starting online? Either? In either case, it gives a 400 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,240 much more direction as to where to focus their time. 401 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:56,519 Speaker 1: I find this so interesting. 402 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,759 Speaker 2: How long did take for you once you started studying 403 00:21:03,839 --> 00:21:11,039 aame point to see an impact on your score a results? 404 00:21:11,319 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 4: That's a good question. I was I was a pretty 405 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:17,200 good putter before this and this really more kind of 406 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,359 helped me understand why I was a good putter. You know, 407 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,440 I would I would play in a scramble with my 408 00:21:21,519 --> 00:21:24,960 buddies or even a pro scramble or whatever, where you 409 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,720 actually all get to kind of choose the line from 410 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,359 the same place, and it kind of helped explain why 411 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,160 my lines were very different than a lot of other 412 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:36,240 people's lines. And but I would say, you know, I 413 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:42,079 would tend to be a little bit more on the 414 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,720 obsessive side of something that I that I really am 415 00:21:44,759 --> 00:21:47,640 involved in. So I would spend the majority of my 416 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,519 practice time when I first learned it, with no ball, 417 00:21:50,599 --> 00:21:53,680 no putter, nothing, just going out onto the green and 418 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,359 practicing the actual skills of reading the ground. You know, 419 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,319 can I determine what direction the ground is going? It's 420 00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:01,759 this way? Measure it? See how I did? 421 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, how can you do that without a ball? 422 00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:05,599 Speaker 4: Absolutely? I don't need a ball to know which the 423 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,839 way the ground's going. I just walk right out there 424 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,640 and say, okay, I think this is uphill. I actually 425 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,519 measure the ground itself. Is this uphill? Yes or no? 426 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,359 And then move on or I'll say I'll go to 427 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:17,799 another spot. Of the ground and say I think this 428 00:22:17,839 --> 00:22:20,319 is uphill and I think it's tilted on a two 429 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:24,119 percent grade. Measure them both. See how I did when you. 430 00:22:24,039 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: Say measure them both, and what do you use to 431 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:27,119 do that. 432 00:22:28,039 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 4: There's a couple of different devices that I've used over 433 00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:33,680 the years. I first started with a device called a breakmaster, 434 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,440 which is a little gray box about the size of 435 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,759 a cup on the green and at the time they 436 00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:44,720 were a little bit more reasonably priced than they are now. 437 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,279 They're roughly over one hundred and twenty five dollars or 438 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,839 not or so now, but they will give you you 439 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,319 just kind of place it on the ground and it 440 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,240 will point in the direction of downhill, and it will 441 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,680 then also give you an amount of how steep the 442 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:02,200 ground is in an angle degrees. So I would originally 443 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,480 start with that where I would just go stand on 444 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,960 the ground face where I think was uphill, put the 445 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,279 little device right between my feet, and if it pointed 446 00:23:08,279 --> 00:23:11,079 at me, I had the direction on the ground right. 447 00:23:12,039 --> 00:23:14,400 Another device that I've used are similar ones that I 448 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,599 would have on my phone, which are significantly cheaper, you know, 449 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,119 for like a dollar, and I would just put my 450 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:22,720 phone on the ground and that would do the same thing. 451 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,799 Another device that we use is an actual level that 452 00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:30,400 you get at the hardware store that will measure the 453 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,119 ground that way, and I tend to use that one 454 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:35,920 a little bit more often because it's a little bit longer, 455 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,680 which I think kind of evens out some of the 456 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,400 inconsistencies in the turf, gives me a little bit more 457 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:47,319 appropriate answer. But it's just actually practicing the skills of 458 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,680 can I figure out what direction is the ground and 459 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,880 how steep is it? And so I would. It took 460 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,480 me about a month, I would say, to do that 461 00:23:55,279 --> 00:24:01,000 to a level that I thought was accurate enough before 462 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,519 I went out actually tried it on the course. I 463 00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:05,200 don't generally play all that often anyway, so it was 464 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,039 easy for me to not play for a while and just. 465 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: Practice well a golf instructor. 466 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,039 Speaker 2: Golf instructors don't get to play very often, no, especially with. 467 00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:17,039 Speaker 4: Four kids under ten, less than most people. 468 00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 2: You're lucky you're a golf instructor. That would have been 469 00:24:20,279 --> 00:24:22,920 gone from your life. You bring up the word golf, 470 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,920 your wife would be going, uh No, I don't think so, 471 00:24:28,519 --> 00:24:29,240 but I'm working. 472 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,519 Speaker 4: So it was easier for me to practice for a 473 00:24:31,519 --> 00:24:34,240 little while first, before I actually started using it, and 474 00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:36,559 I think I think that's actually it was a big benefit. 475 00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:42,000 I think it's more difficult to to go out on 476 00:24:42,039 --> 00:24:45,160 the course and try to use it without having a 477 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:50,680 real good foundation of the accuracy of your skill set. 478 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,839 So I would certainly recommend that if you know the 479 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,920 people that are learning it, that are really really into it, 480 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,720 you know, to spend a good amount of time working 481 00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:04,000 on the slope, direction, and amount piece and continually do it. 482 00:25:04,039 --> 00:25:06,039 I continually do it like every class that I teach. 483 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,799 Before I go to teach it, I have to set 484 00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:11,160 up the green and kind of measure some things, and 485 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,440 I'll walk out on the green and continually test myself 486 00:25:13,759 --> 00:25:17,359 because I'm looking for specific numbers, so specific places that 487 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,799 will measure a certain amount, and I'll go walk over 488 00:25:19,839 --> 00:25:21,200 to them and say, Okay, I think this is the 489 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:22,839 one I'm looking for measure and see how I did. 490 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:28,359 And so I'm constantly doing that process while while I'm 491 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,200 getting ready for the class and while I'm teaching and 492 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,480 things that ature, so that when I go play, it's 493 00:25:32,599 --> 00:25:33,799 just part of what I do. 494 00:25:35,319 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 2: But you said you started out as a good putter. 495 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,519 Does this make you a great putter. 496 00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 4: I make a lot. I'm not gonna lie to you. 497 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,039 I don't know what a great putter is. You know, 498 00:25:45,079 --> 00:25:46,759 I don't play enough to be a what I would 499 00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:50,359 consider a great putter because of time. Yeah, I mean 500 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,559 for the amount that I play, I'm a good putter. 501 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 1: And will a poor putter. 502 00:25:58,039 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 2: Somebody who just is you know, will will three put 503 00:26:01,319 --> 00:26:05,039 ten times in a round or more? Is it? 504 00:26:05,319 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: Are they going to see? Uh? 505 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 2: Is this going to have an impact on their scoring 506 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,119 an loved amount of time? 507 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, for certainly. I mean the first thing that they're 508 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,599 gonna generally notice this at least have been in my 509 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,680 experience teaching it is that the number of three pots 510 00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:25,519 usually decreases first above everything else, mainly because they've they've 511 00:26:25,599 --> 00:26:29,400 chosen a target that is more appropriate than maybe what 512 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,559 they've chosen before. And the thing that most people don't 513 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,519 necessarily equate with the target is the target has kind 514 00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:39,519 of a speed assumption based in it. You know, if 515 00:26:39,559 --> 00:26:42,279 I've got some pot that's let's say, going to break 516 00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:44,799 three or four feet, it's you know what we would 517 00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:46,880 call it, you know, a fast downhill or something like that. 518 00:26:47,799 --> 00:26:49,960 If I instead of choosing a four foot aim I 519 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,200 choose a one foot aim, the speed difference I would 520 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,880 have to hit those two to have any chance of 521 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,839 making them is so dramatically different that if I make 522 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,039 a mistake with the one that I aimed way too 523 00:27:02,079 --> 00:27:05,599 close and I miss, now, I'm also six feet by 524 00:27:05,599 --> 00:27:09,240 the hole, where if I choose a line that's significantly higher, 525 00:27:10,039 --> 00:27:12,319 most people automatically start to say, well, goush, I've got 526 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,039 to hit this so soft now because it needs to 527 00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:17,119 break that much. They've kind of learned intrinsically that that 528 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,079 relationship exists. You know that more break usually equals slower, 529 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,680 and they'll start to get their their miss is much 530 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,799 closer so that they can two putt first. In terms 531 00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:30,359 of just some general relationships, and again kind of rules 532 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,960 of thumbs, a little bit of math. If if a 533 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,160 player underreads a putt by a foot but still has 534 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,640 the appropriate speed that we would they would put it 535 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,920 about a foot past the hole, they're going to miss 536 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,440 the hole by two feet. If they overread it by 537 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,359 a foot again with the appropriate speed, they missed the 538 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,720 hole by six inches. So if if they make a 539 00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:55,559 mistake that's higher than their normal mistake, they're close to 540 00:27:55,559 --> 00:27:57,359 their misses are going to be significantly closer. 541 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,759 Speaker 2: I'm going to stop you and ask you to define 542 00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:01,079 under and over on that. 543 00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:05,599 Speaker 4: So let's say the actual break for this particular putt 544 00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:07,720 is a two foot break, or at least a two 545 00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:09,480 foot aim, it will be a better way to say it. 546 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,240 And the golfer aims instead of at two feet, they 547 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,680 aim but at one foot, so they've underread the break 548 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,960 by a foot. Okay, if they hit that putt and 549 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,920 start it right at a foot out, they're going to 550 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,480 miss the whole two feet low if instead of choosing 551 00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:27,240 the correct aim, which was two feet ly, instead they 552 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,759 aimed three feet out. So now they've overread it by 553 00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:32,960 a foot. If they hit the same put with the 554 00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:35,799 same speed, they only missed the whole by six inches. 555 00:28:35,839 --> 00:28:37,559 Speaker 2: So you always want to overread just to touch. 556 00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:39,039 Speaker 4: If you're gonna make a mistake. 557 00:28:39,079 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna make a mistake, yeah, right, right, right right? 558 00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:43,720 And what is it that you see? 559 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 2: Is there a consistent element that you notice for those 560 00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:52,680 folks who do three putt a lot? Is there something 561 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,240 that you like? Yeah, oh, I'm finding this correlation between 562 00:28:57,279 --> 00:28:58,640 all these bad putters. 563 00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 4: Generally, most people three pub because their touch is no 564 00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:07,359 good because their speed is bad. Their their perception of. 565 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:08,839 Speaker 1: Is that a depth perception thing? 566 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:10,599 Speaker 4: I don't believe. 567 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,799 Speaker 1: So it's just touch, just practice. 568 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't even know if it's just practice, but 569 00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:17,880 it's it's it's if they have the general idea in 570 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,519 their head that downhill putts are faster, they're already right 571 00:29:20,519 --> 00:29:25,039 off the bad in big trouble. If I said to someone, okay, 572 00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:28,680 let's say from here, I want this pott to roll 573 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,759 five seconds, or I want this put to roll three seconds, 574 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,599 their perception of the amount of effort required to do 575 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,400 that immediately changes. If I don't give them any information 576 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:38,720 at all and just say I want this ball to 577 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,200 go to the hole, They've got to now make some 578 00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:46,880 kind of internal you know, adjustment based on their previous 579 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,799 experience to say, okay, well, this amount of steepness looks 580 00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:51,839 like this. It feels like I'm going to hit it 581 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:57,920 this hard. There's a whole lot more guessing involved, if 582 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,920 you will, than if I was to say this someone, okay, 583 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,799 if and we could do this too, you know, if 584 00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:06,720 we wanted to teach touch a little bit. You know, 585 00:30:06,759 --> 00:30:09,799 we we have the amount of time each put should roll. 586 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,920 So as an idea to say to someone, Okay, I 587 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,880 want you to hit two pots, one that rolls three seconds, 588 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,119 the one that rolls five. Immediately they're going to do 589 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,000 something different, and then we not get a right But 590 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,960 they're going to hit the five second one differently than 591 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,240 they're going to hit the three second one. 592 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,559 Speaker 2: Well, I'm just flabbergasted. Does anybody ever consider the length 593 00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:32,920 of time in their putt? I mean, you know, yeah, 594 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,559 I've got a twenty foot putt here, I've got a 595 00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:36,720 ten foot putt here, But it's like you never say 596 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,279 I've got a four second putt here, do you? 597 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: And is that a value to do that? 598 00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:44,119 Speaker 4: Well, that's what we're trying to figure out. We were 599 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,799 trying to figure out if if there's better ways to 600 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:52,160 teach touch than just distance or just a speed equivalent. 601 00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:59,279 Is time an option for learning to control touch. We're 602 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,839 just on the kind of on the fairly early beginnings 603 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:06,079 of at least testing that, so we don't really have 604 00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:07,680 a good answer as to whether or not it's all 605 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,759 that useful. But as a general concept, I think it's 606 00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:14,960 very very useful to try and get people to understand 607 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,480 that downhill pots should take more time than uphill pots, 608 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,119 things of that nature. Should you know, everyone should know 609 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,640 that whether or not a twenty foot put takes five 610 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,799 and a ten foot pot takes three. We're still trying 611 00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:29,359 to figure out how much value that has, and it 612 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,839 may it may turn out to be, you know, individually, 613 00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:35,000 some people really benefit from it, other people just don't 614 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,759 get it. It could go either way. We're, like I said, 615 00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:38,920 we're just kind of getting started with that. 616 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:51,279 Speaker 2: Any courses that you've you've tested, been too taught on 617 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:56,799 that you just cannot figure out the breaks and and 618 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:57,519 the putts. 619 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 4: No, really, there's there's no there's only there's only so 620 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,680 many things that can happen. I mean, the there's there's 621 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,640 a certain amount of steepness that the ground will generally have, 622 00:32:09,319 --> 00:32:13,200 you know, aside from tiers and large areas, there is 623 00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:15,240 generally going to be a minimum amount to get water 624 00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:16,880 to move off of it. So we'll start with that 625 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,960 assumption right off the bat. There's very few flat actually 626 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:27,079 flat areas because the water will sit in and you know, 627 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:32,680 the the slope direction, uh, you know, can only be 628 00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:37,160 a certain way. It's there. There's I mean, once you 629 00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:40,680 understand really what you're looking for, the only the only 630 00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:42,680 part of the green that's going to affect the ball 631 00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:44,960 is the part the ball rolls on and actually touches, 632 00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:48,079 So all the rest of it is completely ignorable. You know, 633 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,039 where the mountains are, where the high points on the 634 00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:54,559 green are. All that stuff is completely ignorable if the 635 00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:56,559 ball is not going to actually touch it. You know, 636 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,720 I need to figure out what the ground is doing 637 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,200 when the ball is actually rolling. And you know, once 638 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,279 once you learn how to do it and what you're 639 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,119 what you're looking for or feeling for, it's you know, 640 00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:13,200 it's very hard to fool a person's balance, except maybe 641 00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:15,559 you know, like late Friday night or late Saturday night 642 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,400 after a couple of drinks, you know, their balance isn't 643 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,839 so good. Aside from that, very few people fall down 644 00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:24,240 when they walk, so their body is constantly making this 645 00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:28,359 adjustment every single step that it takes. That's kind of 646 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,359 usually running in the background, and we're trying to take 647 00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:32,480 that idea of that sensation and kind of pull it 648 00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:35,759 to the forefront and say, you know, this footstep differently 649 00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:37,640 than this one. Did it go up, did it go down? 650 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,440 Did you feel left or right? All of these sensations 651 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,640 are learnable and teachable, and then applicable. 652 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: Yep. 653 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,079 Speaker 2: Now, I know that Mark Sweeney had talked about the 654 00:33:49,119 --> 00:33:52,480 poems down in La Quinta as being the toughest, toughest 655 00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:56,400 greens he'd ever dealt with, because I was down at 656 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,279 the Palms recently and met JD over there, and he 657 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,400 and doctor Craig Farnsworth, who also teaches aim Point It 658 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,920 teaches at that course, and JD was telling me that 659 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,239 Mark said that this is the you know, because there's 660 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,719 no pot over ten feet that doesn't have a double break. 661 00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, there's certainly greens that are harder to 662 00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:21,320 read than others, at least in terms of the exact amount. 663 00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:24,679 But if you get the direction of the break wrong, 664 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,039 I mean, that's a mistake I haven't made in years now, hmm, 665 00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:30,559 that you think it's going to go right, it actually 666 00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:33,079 goes the other way, that the whole idea should go 667 00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:35,239 completely go away almost almost exclusive. 668 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 1: Well that's huge in itself, yeah for a lot of people. Yeah, yeah, but. 669 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 4: You know, knowing that it was going to go four 670 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,639 inches versus eight or whatever, that's you know, we'll all 671 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:47,719 make those mistakes, and especially you know, the hardest pots 672 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,960 to read. And this is the same as it always 673 00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:53,440 has been. Are the ones that are the flattest looking, 674 00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:57,039 flattest feeling, flattest actual surfaces that it's hard to perceive 675 00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:00,920 the fall line and the slope of Mount Well because 676 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,199 theyre tend to be flat. Or ones that are a 677 00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:07,599 little bit kind of crown is what we call. It 678 00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:10,840 is kind of like a high spot that runs off 679 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:16,800 to a lows so you know, very subtle crowns, or 680 00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:19,920 you know, constantly changing undulations, which you might see much 681 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,079 more over in Europe than you do here. Again there, 682 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,679 it's it's all doable. It's just you know, how accurately 683 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,719 can I do it in the amount of time necessary 684 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,079 to still play golf with people that will enjoy it. 685 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,920 You know, if it takes you more than twenty seconds 686 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,000 to read a straightforward putt, you know you're you're you're 687 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,519 doing it incorrectly. Certainly, more putts take more times, there 688 00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:44,400 is more challenging. 689 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 2: But I think that's just an amazing thing to think about. 690 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,599 The hardest puts to read are the flat ones. Yeah, 691 00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:52,920 that's really really interesting. 692 00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 4: The hardest punts to make are the steeper ones. But 693 00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:01,719 the hardest ones to read, right, I mean the steeper 694 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,920 sloped ones or the or the ones that are downhill 695 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,960 that are that are significally they're much more sensitive to 696 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,719 error in terms of our speed or direction, so they're 697 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,719 much much more difficult to make. But I can I mean, 698 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,159 if you think about it in terms of the variance 699 00:36:18,199 --> 00:36:21,880 between the target that would be okay and the one 700 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,760 that's not. You know, a steeper pot that has an 701 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,960 incredible amount of break is going to be very sensitive 702 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,199 to the speed that you hit it, the amount of 703 00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:30,519 time that it rolls for as to when and how 704 00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:33,559 much the break occurs. That that that actual two target 705 00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:38,400 is very very small. A flatter pot because there's not 706 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,679 going to be too much break in general anyways, the 707 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,440 margin for error in my skills is a little bit greater, 708 00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:47,599 but getting an exact number of accuracy is harder because 709 00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:51,199 it's hard to perceive exactly where I am, if that 710 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:51,719 makes sense. 711 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I know that aim Point offers once 712 00:36:56,519 --> 00:37:00,320 you have your lessons, you've you've taken the clar and 713 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,199 been certified as an. 714 00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: Aim Point student. 715 00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 2: They have an iPhone app that people can use, but 716 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,159 they should not, and we really want to warn people, 717 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,320 at least what Mark was telling me, don't get the 718 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,679 app unless you've been taught. 719 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't. It won't make much sense. There's I mean, 720 00:37:20,199 --> 00:37:20,400 is the. 721 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 2: App that is it helpful? Do you find it helpful 722 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:23,559 for a lot of people? 723 00:37:24,679 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 4: The app is is helpful after you know what you're 724 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:28,920 looking at. 725 00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:29,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 726 00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:32,800 Speaker 4: It's basically just a big digital, blown up version of 727 00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:36,800 the chart, So it has many more answers that are 728 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,599 kind of filled in where you don't have to extrapolate 729 00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:39,559 so much and. 730 00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:43,519 Speaker 2: Don't get a bubble level on your smartphone and lay 731 00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:44,280 that out on the green. 732 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. 733 00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:47,800 Speaker 2: That kind of could screw you up too, or would it? 734 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,719 I mean, if you were like, hang on a second, 735 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,840 I can tell you how steepid is. Let me just 736 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,800 take out my phone here and lay it down. Yeah, 737 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,119 well it's about four degrees there, it's yeah. 738 00:37:56,159 --> 00:37:59,599 Speaker 4: I mean, it would certainly give you some information, whether 739 00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:04,159 or not you know what to do with it. How 740 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,440 to translate that into something useful as a whole other, 741 00:38:06,519 --> 00:38:07,199 whole other thing. 742 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,679 Speaker 2: How can people get in touch with you if they 743 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,840 want to have you teach them? 744 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,320 Speaker 1: Do you do individual or do you mostly do clinics? 745 00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 4: I do I do both. I'll be in like I said, 746 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,639 I'll be in Phoenix next weekend doing some individual and 747 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,760 sem groups. So depending on well, you know. 748 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 1: We say next weekend. 749 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,159 Speaker 2: But as we're recording this in the beginning of March, 750 00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:31,280 and this is a podcast and somebody is now listening 751 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,639 to it in July, it doesn't help them. 752 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, so the weekend of March tenth and eleventh, 753 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,639 that's coming up here. But in anyway, yes, I do 754 00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:45,559 teach individuals and groups. The easiest way to reach me 755 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:53,480 is through email at John at John Graham golf dot com. 756 00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:57,159 You can also tweet me. I'm a I'm a Twitter addict. Really, 757 00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:00,360 Oh yeah, I'm I'm I've got real real If. 758 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,519 Speaker 1: You aren't familiar with podcasts, but you're all over. 759 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,599 Speaker 4: Twitter, I'm all over Twitter. I am all over it. 760 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,280 Speaker 1: What do you use really? 761 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 2: What do you use it for? For for putting information 762 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,480 out or for absorbing information? 763 00:39:13,639 --> 00:39:17,800 Speaker 4: I use it in every way that is imaginable. I 764 00:39:18,679 --> 00:39:21,679 mainly use it to generate business. To be honest, really, 765 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,679 I would say ninety five percent of every clinic I've 766 00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:28,199 ever taught has come from a contact through Twitter. 767 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: That's very interesting. 768 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,360 Speaker 4: So I so, I mean I use it as you know, 769 00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:41,800 both a content providing elements so that will hopefully generate 770 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,440 interests and then people will contact me say hey, that's 771 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,480 pretty neat. I want to learn about it more, and 772 00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:49,000 then set up a class and know that nature. I mean, 773 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:54,840 there's it's for me. It's replaced news. I mean I 774 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,480 get information significantly faster. I mean, this is a funny story. 775 00:39:58,519 --> 00:40:00,840 I remember I was. I was actually on my computer 776 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,960 the night that Tiger Woods had is incident where he 777 00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:07,440 hit the fire hydrant, right, and within twenty minutes of 778 00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:11,400 somebody tweeting about that, someone had already said, yeah, Ellen 779 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,320 came out smashed the thing with a nine iron and 780 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,760 he ran out the door and hit the fire hydrant. 781 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,199 I mean, someone in the neighborhood just told the whole story. 782 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,599 But if you are even hit the television was it 783 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,199 was really really interesting. I mean, you hear about earthquakes 784 00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:27,440 the second thing happened. It's bizarre. It's a completely different 785 00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:31,679 level of news that is, you know, instantaneous and unedited, 786 00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:34,360 which certainly has dangers in its own right. 787 00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: Sure, but. 788 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,360 Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean I have older children, but they've said, 789 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,960 you know, who are tech very tech savvy, and they 790 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,559 have said, why do you read a newspaper it's yesterday's news, 791 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,239 you know, and if something is that important, it's going. 792 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 1: To find me. 793 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know. 794 00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:56,840 Speaker 1: Oh I find that so interesting. All right, Well, so 795 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:57,960 what is your Twitter handle? 796 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,559 Speaker 4: My Twitter handle is John Graham gallf same thing on Facebook. 797 00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:06,559 You can find me there, John Graham Golf YouTube, John 798 00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:09,400 Graham Golf. There's a pattern developing there. 799 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,559 Speaker 1: Yes, there is. And what do you have on YouTube? 800 00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:15,199 Speaker 4: I have a couple of videos of ain Point of 801 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:22,159 different different things that we cover. I also have some 802 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:29,159 videos on some full swing information about some impact physics, 803 00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:32,519 about deeplaying, things like that. Most most of my videos 804 00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:39,880 tend to be more either visual illusions or optical things 805 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:45,400 like that, or factually based information that. Again I prefer 806 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,880 the I prefer things that I can prove and and 807 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,320 golf doesn't really have a lot of those things in it, 808 00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:54,400 So I seek out which which ones there are, and 809 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,119 then I'm happy to share what I can find. 810 00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,639 Speaker 2: Will do me a favor, favor, why don't you email 811 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,400 me links to two of your favorite aim Point YouTube 812 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,559 videos and I will put those on our blog. Since 813 00:42:08,559 --> 00:42:11,880 we're doing two episodes, I'll associate one with each episode 814 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,159 and I'll put them on the golf Smarter blog in 815 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,519 the show notes and that so people can take a 816 00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:24,000 peek at that and go find more of your stuff. 817 00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:25,800 We'll definitely feature that as well. 818 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,360 Speaker 1: Absolutely sounds great. 819 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 4: Thank you. I'll be happy to Oh yeah. 820 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:33,760 Speaker 2: Great, great. Well, this has been absolutely fascinating. Thank you 821 00:42:34,039 --> 00:42:36,440 very much for your time, and I wish all the 822 00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:38,800 luck of the world because you're gonna need to be 823 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:39,320 very busy. 824 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,760 Speaker 1: You have four kids, You've. 825 00:42:41,639 --> 00:42:43,559 Speaker 2: Got to make a lot of money. How many girls 826 00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:46,840 you got, I'm sorry, how many girl daughters do you have? 827 00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:49,480 Speaker 4: Just one? I have three older boys and a baby girl. 828 00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:53,159 Speaker 1: Oh the princess, yes, oh yeah, yeah. 829 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,639 Speaker 2: I just recently saw oh, a teenage girl, I guess 830 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:03,440 driving down and uh in a convertible Volkswagen, And the 831 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,320 first thing that came to my mind was. 832 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,679 Speaker 1: But daddy, I want a convertible. Okay, princess, no problem. 833 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,400 Speaker 2: You're stuck, man, and you got to put all the 834 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,280 boys through college and then you got to have a wedding. 835 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,199 Oh man, you get back to work. What are you 836 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:19,079 doing sitting at home? 837 00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:20,880 Speaker 1: Exactly where are you based? 838 00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:22,880 Speaker 4: What part of them? For Rochester, New York? 839 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,159 Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, you've you've got to get to a 840 00:43:26,199 --> 00:43:28,000 place where you can do twelve months a year worth 841 00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:28,559 of UH. 842 00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:35,360 Speaker 1: Worth of teaching, or you travel a lot. Yeah. Oh man, 843 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,199 well this has been great. Thank you very much. 844 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,679 Speaker 2: Best of luck to you and and we'll we'll stay 845 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,840 in touch and hopefully if anybody has any questions that 846 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,519 will email me. I can send a rival to you, 847 00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:47,039 but you already gave your email address. 848 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,079 Speaker 4: Yes, thank you, appreciate it. Thanks again for having me