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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBSY, Boston's news

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<v Speaker 1>radio home NCALL.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you have a great time off on. Tonight

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<v Speaker 2>is my last night for the broadcast year, and I

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<v Speaker 2>wish you and yours a very merry Christmas, Happy hon

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<v Speaker 2>happy coons, and whatever you and your family celebrate. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope it's a great twenty twenty five for you. It's

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<v Speaker 2>been a pleasure working with you for the entirety of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four and we will meet again on the

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<v Speaker 2>other side of the new year. Good evening, everybody, and

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<v Speaker 2>welcome on in. I'm Dan Ray, the host of night Side,

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<v Speaker 2>and I will be here all the way until midnight.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a very special show for you tonight. We

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<v Speaker 2>have topic coming up in the first hour that I

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<v Speaker 2>think affects one hundred and seventy seven communities here in

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<v Speaker 2>eastern Massachusetts. We've talked about it before, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>the so called MBTA Communities Act, which the state is

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<v Speaker 2>trying to dictate and override the zoning provisions in one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and seventy seven community is going to be talking

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<v Speaker 2>with Brendan Wilde of Marshfield. Voters in Marshfield this week

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<v Speaker 2>restated this strong opposition to participating in this situation, this

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<v Speaker 2>law that's being imposed upon them. If you are aware

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<v Speaker 2>of it, stay with us. If you not, will explain it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you can tell us what you think of it,

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<v Speaker 2>simple as that. Coming up at nine o'clock tonight, an

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<v Speaker 2>extraordinary story about a local businessman who literally is putting

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<v Speaker 2>his life on the line to protect his business and

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<v Speaker 2>getting very little support from the city to which he

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<v Speaker 2>pays a lot of property taxes, commercial property taxes. Will

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<v Speaker 2>explain all of that. This is something that needs to

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<v Speaker 2>be focused on. And then tonight, the last two hours

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<v Speaker 2>of my broadcast year, we do our annual This will

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<v Speaker 2>be the twelfth annual Night Side Charity Combine, in which

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<v Speaker 2>we will introduce you to about twenty actually precisely twenty

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<v Speaker 2>great charities of all stripes, of all sorts, big, small,

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<v Speaker 2>well known, less well known, and they'll explain what their

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<v Speaker 2>mission is and how they accomplish that mission, and perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>what help you might be able to provide them, either

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<v Speaker 2>as a volunteer if it particularly piqued your interest, or

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<v Speaker 2>as someone who would like to contribute. As we move

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<v Speaker 2>toward the end of the year, people like to make

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<v Speaker 2>contributions to charities. There can be some tax benefit to

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<v Speaker 2>most people who do that. If you idemis your tax

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<v Speaker 2>deductions come April. You know what I'm talking about. So

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get to all of that. It's really a full

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<v Speaker 2>show tonight, and we're going to start it off by

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the MBTA Communities Act. This was past back.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess was think whether it's twenty twenty one or

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty, it's been on the books for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>It's met with a lot of resistance from communities, probably

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<v Speaker 2>foremost in that fight. You have a Wakefield has been

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<v Speaker 2>opposed to it for a long time, Shrewsbury, Milton, Massachusetts,

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<v Speaker 2>and most importantly for us tonight, Marshfield with us as

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<v Speaker 2>Brendan Wilde Brendan welcome back Tonight's side. Brendan was with

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<v Speaker 2>us last spring. The community of Marshfield, a town meeting

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<v Speaker 2>on April twenty second, chose not to adopt the MBTA

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<v Speaker 2>Communities Act, but that didn't discourage the heads of the

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<v Speaker 2>folks up on Beacon Hill and their minions and in

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<v Speaker 2>the town of Marshfield, and they put it on the

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<v Speaker 2>ballot this week. Brendan, it's been a long fight but

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<v Speaker 2>you're still standing. How are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing very well, Dan, thank you for having me on.

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<v Speaker 3>So it has been a long fight, and I just

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to say it wasn't on the ballot, it was

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<v Speaker 3>another town meeting. I don't know if this was the

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<v Speaker 3>special town meeting and the April one was the annual

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<v Speaker 3>or vice.

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<v Speaker 2>Versa, but okay, okay, So either way, it was a

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<v Speaker 2>vote of the citizenry.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, correct, okay, And.

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<v Speaker 2>In both instances people had to show up at town

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<v Speaker 2>hall or at a high school and cast their vote.

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<v Speaker 2>So in April this was voted down two eighty nine

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<v Speaker 2>to one sixty nine. It's a pretty good margin, not

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<v Speaker 2>quite two to one. And then on Monday night it

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<v Speaker 2>was shot down with greater numbers, shot down four eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>to two twenty one.

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<v Speaker 3>That's correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Why are the leaders of Marshfield not happy or not

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<v Speaker 2>satisfied to listen to how their their residents, their taxpayers,

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<v Speaker 2>their voters are feel on this issue. What's going on?

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<v Speaker 3>So, if my memory serves me correct, the April meeting

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<v Speaker 3>was a special town meeting that they implemented knowing that

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<v Speaker 3>if we didn't pass it in April, they would still

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<v Speaker 3>have this annual town meeting in December. Wow, okay, so

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of understand their strategy with that. The problem

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<v Speaker 3>here is nothing changed on our end terms of how

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<v Speaker 3>we would approach the bill. We were asked to show

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<v Speaker 3>up a second time to vote for the exact, same

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<v Speaker 3>identical thing. None of our concerns were addressed. So I

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<v Speaker 3>think that's why the townspeople, you know, showed up and

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<v Speaker 3>spoke again. This is we already told you once you're

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<v Speaker 3>not going to get lucky with us doing our Christmas

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<v Speaker 3>shopping on a Monday night. You know, the townspeople showed

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<v Speaker 3>out and like you said, it was better the second

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<v Speaker 3>time around.

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<v Speaker 2>You folks in Marshfield. Also back in the spring, I

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<v Speaker 2>think you have a three member board of Selectment and

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<v Speaker 2>every third year or every year, one of those members

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<v Speaker 2>are up for re election. And you ousted an incumbent.

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<v Speaker 2>Your forces ousted an incumbent. So now you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>probably have another election dealing with another incumbent who has

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<v Speaker 2>been going against the wishes of the people in Marshfield

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<v Speaker 2>next spring. Let's take a couple of steps back, and

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<v Speaker 2>let's for people. There's a lot of people who don't

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<v Speaker 2>understand what's going on here. So let's just try to

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<v Speaker 2>explain this as best I understand it. There are one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and seventy seven or so communities in eastern Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 2>that either have MBTA service or their town is an

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<v Speaker 2>abutted to a butter to a town that has MBTA

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<v Speaker 2>service or is adjacent to the butter. So it covers

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<v Speaker 2>most of eastern Massachusetts. And the nexus that they're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to establish is because there's MBTA service, we want more

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<v Speaker 2>people living in those towns. Is that the underlying theory

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<v Speaker 2>of why they're pushing this, why Beacon Hill, Charlie Baker

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<v Speaker 2>and now more Heay have been pushing this as strongly

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<v Speaker 2>as they as they have, That is.

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<v Speaker 3>How most of the citizens of the state and interpret it,

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<v Speaker 3>I believe. So, okay, we can we can go off

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<v Speaker 3>on a tangent on how the MBTA runs.

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<v Speaker 2>They're they're doing as well as they can uh and

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<v Speaker 2>and and their improvements being made in the m b

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<v Speaker 2>t A. That's fine. But the point is that the

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<v Speaker 2>zoning in a community as to what type of the

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<v Speaker 2>community what it wants to be, whether it's a suburban

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<v Speaker 2>community or an urban community or a rural community. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what's called local zoning laws. Correct.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct.

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<v Speaker 2>So, for example, if you live in if you live

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<v Speaker 2>in a rural community and you don't want a strip

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<v Speaker 2>mall in your community, and you do not want commercial

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<v Speaker 2>activity in your community, it has to get past the

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<v Speaker 2>zoning laws of your town. Pretty simple. It's it's the

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<v Speaker 2>most elementary purpose of a local community. Other than than that,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what purpose a local community has to

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<v Speaker 2>even form if they're not going to sort of maintain

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<v Speaker 2>to be right or wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't disagree with that. Why bother having town government

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<v Speaker 3>if you're not going to let us govern?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, So my second question is, there's no suggestion

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<v Speaker 2>that I have heard from anywhere, from anywhere, that any

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<v Speaker 2>Massachusetts community has deprived any citizen of their constitutional right

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<v Speaker 2>to live in a community. I mean, we're not talking

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<v Speaker 2>about some sort of redlining from the nineteen sixties or

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<v Speaker 2>seventies where people of different backgrounds couldn't get mortgages from

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<v Speaker 2>certain banks in certain areas of communities. There's no constitutional provision.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not a piece of civil rights legislation in

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<v Speaker 2>any shape or form. That's as I understand that. If

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wrong, please correct me.

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<v Speaker 3>Now. I understand it as you do. I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>a it's a screen for more housing and nothing more.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, I mean, look, developers and politicians have good relationships.

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<v Speaker 2>Developers support politicians, and sometimes developers need the ability to

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<v Speaker 2>build more property. And there's a whole bunch of places

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<v Speaker 2>where things can be built here in Massachusetts and elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>I just see this as as such an overreach of

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<v Speaker 2>state government imposing on local communities how those local communities

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<v Speaker 2>will govern themselves. I wish I could see it somehow differently,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just that's it's to me, it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>the most obvious abuse of state authority that I can

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<v Speaker 2>ever imagine, for no purpose, no purpose at all.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree with you there, and I would also like

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<v Speaker 3>to bring up I think one of one of the

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<v Speaker 3>argument of argument arguments that their side has is adding

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<v Speaker 3>housing will bring the cost of housing down. I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't see that happening. Look at cars on a

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<v Speaker 3>car dealer shop, look at iPhones, the endless supply of

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<v Speaker 3>these things. The price is the price, the cost to

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<v Speaker 3>build a house, the costs for the lots those things

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<v Speaker 3>aren't going down. So to just throw up a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of high rise apartments, it's not going to bring prices down, it.

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<v Speaker 2>Might be question so here, So here's my question. If

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<v Speaker 2>if you have bought a house in Marshfield that let's

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<v Speaker 2>say you paid a half a million dollars for a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years ago. By infusing more housing into Marshfield,

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<v Speaker 2>how can that not bring down the cost of housing?

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<v Speaker 2>How can not that bring down the property value of

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<v Speaker 2>the properties that are there now? Because obviously it becomes

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<v Speaker 2>more common if if you've got a whole bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>housing in a town like Marshfield. Isn't that basic? I think,

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<v Speaker 2>supplying to me of economics.

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<v Speaker 3>It is. But but you're talking about bringing the property

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<v Speaker 3>value down. The property values will drop, but the affordability

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<v Speaker 3>is what I'm talking about. Or a coastal community. Coastal

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<v Speaker 3>communities cost more to live in than landlocked communities. There's

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<v Speaker 3>there's lots of factors that play that. I'm not saying.

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<v Speaker 3>I do think property values do plumit the more you

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<v Speaker 3>saturated town with they do more, and the residents traffic,

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<v Speaker 3>all those things. But but to to say that adding

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<v Speaker 3>will will make everything affordable, that's that's where I hang

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<v Speaker 3>my hat. I do not believe that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's going to make I think it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>make the the value of whatever these are rental units

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<v Speaker 2>or condominium units or whatever they are. You're going to

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<v Speaker 2>have an infusion of people, which means you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>have a more demand on your school system, there's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be more demand on police activities. All it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to do is increase the size, increase increase the density

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<v Speaker 2>of the community. So a town like Marshfield, which I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if I would call it, I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>call it ex suburban, meaning in which it's not your

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<v Speaker 2>suburban town like Braintree or Milton just next to Boston,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's far enough away so it's it's it's not suburban,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not rural. And that's why I use the

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<v Speaker 2>term x suburban suburbia. You know, you're living far enough

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<v Speaker 2>away from the city, may be working in the city, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>but you've chosen that lifestyle to live there. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't understand why anybody in Marshfield or in any one

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<v Speaker 2>of these communities would vote in favor of this. The

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<v Speaker 2>is because the state has threatened to withhold grants, taxpayer

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's not a belief, it's the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Let's pause on that. I want to talk

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<v Speaker 2>that have been posed, that have been imposed on you

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<v Speaker 2>and upon other communities, on all one hundred and seventy

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<v Speaker 2>penalize you. That's what Beacon Hill is saying. We'll be back.

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<v Speaker 2>My guest from Marshfield is Brendan wild who has been

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<v Speaker 2>standing firm in that community, as that community has stood

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<v Speaker 2>firm against the NBTA Communities Act. Back on Nightside right

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<v Speaker 2>after this. If you'd like to join us, the only

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<v Speaker 2>lines we have open right now are six point seven, nine, three, one,

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<v Speaker 1>Back on night Side now, back to Dan Ray live

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking with Brendan Wilde. He is a resident at

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<v Speaker 2>Marshfield and he's opposed to the MVTA Communities Act. Brendan,

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<v Speaker 2>what threats are. This is the state directing towards you.

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<v Speaker 3>So, yes, I'm with you. It's been h grants, grants

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<v Speaker 3>that are not already ear marked. These are grants that

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<v Speaker 3>we may or may not get, but they're not they're

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<v Speaker 3>not grants that we've already signed up for that we

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<v Speaker 3>already have coming to them. So the point being whether

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<v Speaker 3>or not we were going to get them is a mystery.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So basically they're threatening you that if they're saying,

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<v Speaker 2>do this and you'll get the grants. If you don't

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<v Speaker 2>do it, you won't get the grants. That's correct, And

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<v Speaker 2>that's that those grants are funded not by Mara Healey

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<v Speaker 2>or by Charlie Baker. They're funded by taxpayers people who

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<v Speaker 2>live in Marshfield and in other cities and towns in Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 2>It just to me is is an absolute abuse of

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<v Speaker 2>authority to make you to force you to do something.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, again, you're not doing anything illegal here. All

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<v Speaker 2>they're saying is you're going to do it our way.

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<v Speaker 2>We will impose our point of view on and the

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<v Speaker 2>people in Marshfield are saying no. So I still under

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<v Speaker 2>say why anyone in Marshall would vote yes for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do this, Let's get some phone calls. Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go start it off, Brendan, if you're ready, Let's

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<v Speaker 2>go to Kerry and Milton. Milton is also very much

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<v Speaker 2>opposed to this. Carrie, welcome first is our night side.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you all with Brendan.

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<v Speaker 4>Wild Hi Dan, Hi, Brendon, can you guys hear me?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay here you find go right ahead?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, great. So to thein one of the things, as

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<v Speaker 4>you said, which I agree one hundred percent, is this

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<v Speaker 4>is government overreach, right, And Brendan said something which is

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<v Speaker 4>totally my sentiment is if we have town by laws

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<v Speaker 4>and planning boards and zoning you know sort of, what

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<v Speaker 4>say yeah, well but this is what we expect. In

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<v Speaker 4>my opinion, it is government overreach. And I think one

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<v Speaker 4>thing end to me, which I thought was even more fantastic.

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<v Speaker 4>His victory on Monday happened to be the two hundred

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<v Speaker 4>and fifty first anniversary of the Boston Tea Party. So

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<v Speaker 4>I mean that was the resistance movement against government overreach,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think in Marshfields and here milt In that

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<v Speaker 4>has been our concerns if you know about some of

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<v Speaker 4>this zoning. And as you rightly pointed out, Marshield is

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<v Speaker 4>much further away from you know, these of the hub,

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<v Speaker 4>meaning Boston, so it is not it is not urban

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<v Speaker 4>at all, and it is like you said, it's kind

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<v Speaker 4>of ex suburban if you will, if I got your

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, ex urbia is it is sort of a little

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of out there. It's a in a further ring,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's where people have chosen to live and they

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<v Speaker 2>like whatever the lifestyle is. I know Marshfield a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>They have some you know, commercial place places there where

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<v Speaker 2>people can get lunch and get breakfast and dinners and

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<v Speaker 2>all of that. But you know, they want Marshfield to

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<v Speaker 2>be Marshfield and to infuse whatever How many units of

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<v Speaker 2>housing would Marshfield be compelled to build if this were

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<v Speaker 2>to have passed in Marshfield, Brendan, did they ever give

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<v Speaker 2>you a specific number?

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<v Speaker 3>They did? I don't have it right in front of me,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was over a thousand some.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the documents. I think it had been fifteen hundred.

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<v Speaker 3>They said for Marshfield, what about meltit carry?

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<v Speaker 2>What are they demanding for Milton? How much? How many units?

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<v Speaker 4>It's more like two thousand of Milton.

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<v Speaker 3>Just interject really quick? So the town Planning Board, I

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<v Speaker 3>do want to give them credit, the town Planning Board.

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<v Speaker 3>The spot that they put this in Marshfield wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 3>allowed for the fifteen hundred that they wanted it would have.

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<v Speaker 3>It would have only allowed for three hundred extra units. Whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>whatever it was, it was a good spot to put

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<v Speaker 3>it in. So we were really given the best possible

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<v Speaker 3>option from our town planner. The no vote was a

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<v Speaker 3>no vote to the state.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I will tell you this, if if you guys

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<v Speaker 2>had voted yes on the three hundred, they're becoming at

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<v Speaker 2>you a year from now, for another three hundred, and

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<v Speaker 2>the year after that, for another three hundred, they just stop.

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<v Speaker 2>They just stop. And anybody who thought, well, we fed

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<v Speaker 2>the beast and they're going to be happy, No, they're not. No,

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<v Speaker 2>They're they're not simple simple at Kerry Kerry, are you folks?

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<v Speaker 2>In Milton. You you're still fighting.

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<v Speaker 4>It too, right, We are, indeed, yes, if you know

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<v Speaker 4>that States sued us to Originally, it was the last

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<v Speaker 4>December that our elected town meeting, we have a representative

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<v Speaker 4>town meeting who did not represent us very well. They

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<v Speaker 4>hoped to accept the edicts from Beacon Hill to build this,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, significant amount of housing in our town. And

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<v Speaker 4>to the contrast to what Brendan just mentioned about the

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<v Speaker 4>town planners of Marshfield, the place where they did suggest

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<v Speaker 4>creating this overlay district, if they as they called it

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<v Speaker 4>here in Milton, they might have called it the sam

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<v Speaker 4>and Marshfield was already quite congested, but the thing Dan

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<v Speaker 4>so many of us were very unhappy about that, and

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<v Speaker 4>so we gathered pretty quickly in short order because we

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<v Speaker 4>needed to do it pretty quickly, gather enough signatures to

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<v Speaker 4>get a referendum ballot question, which we had on. It

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<v Speaker 4>was this casual for February thirteenth, but a snowstorm like

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<v Speaker 4>what seems to be happening right now pushed us out

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<v Speaker 4>a day. So for me anyway, and many people have Milton,

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<v Speaker 4>it was the best Valentine's Day gift ever because on

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<v Speaker 4>February fourteenth, much more. A huge number of people turned

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<v Speaker 4>out for our vote, many more than even a typical

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<v Speaker 4>more than the town election, more than even a presidential

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<v Speaker 4>election usually. So it was a big number. And I

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<v Speaker 4>think the numbers in Marshfield showing the second vote for them,

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<v Speaker 4>it said they did not forget about it. And even

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<v Speaker 4>more people, it seems if you look at the ratio

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<v Speaker 4>there came out for on Monday, on the anniversary as

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<v Speaker 4>the tea party to say this, which great.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep up the fight, Carrie and Milton, you got you

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<v Speaker 2>have an example here in Marshfield. They're holding strong. Thanks Gerry,

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate you called Mary.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks Merry Christmas. Everybody, all right, have a great night.

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<v Speaker 2>Good night. We take a quick break. Here's the news

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<v Speaker 2>in the bottom of the hour. Back with my guests

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<v Speaker 2>Brendan Wilde, a town resident in Marshfield who is very

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<v Speaker 2>much involved in the fight against the implementation of the

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<v Speaker 2>forceful implementation of the MBTA Communities Act, with Ray on.

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<v Speaker 1>Boston's News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get back to the phones. My guest is Brendan

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<v Speaker 2>wild He's from Marshfield. I just don't understand. I know

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<v Speaker 2>that people say there's a housing shortage. I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's more people leaving Massachusetts now that are coming in.

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<v Speaker 2>So it seems to me that that housing shortage might

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<v Speaker 2>be disappearing as a result of again the crazy tax

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<v Speaker 2>policies in this state. Let's go to Bob and Wakefield. Bob,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome next to Nightside. I know Wakefield. He says, good, Bob,

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<v Speaker 2>how you doing. Say ahead to Brendan White.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, Brendan, congratulations, good for you. It's a big fight

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<v Speaker 3>out there. But this is actually ridiculous. Just a little

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<v Speaker 3>update on where this thing came from. Dan. This was

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<v Speaker 3>a Charlie Baker's Economic Economic Development Bill h fifty two fifty.

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<v Speaker 3>It came up for a vote January sixth, twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 3>in the closing hours of the twenty nineteen twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 3>two legislation session. The bill passed the House one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and forty three to four at four am in the morning,

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<v Speaker 3>and cleared the Senate forty to zero at four fifteen.

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<v Speaker 3>They did this thing in the middle of the night.

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<v Speaker 3>Right at the tail end, this bill was buried. It

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<v Speaker 3>was literally this little this little show was buried in

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<v Speaker 3>a two hundred page bill. It was just three paragraphs

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<v Speaker 3>and this was all done in the middle of the night.

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<v Speaker 3>So we've been fighting this in Wakefield, you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's absolutely insane. So going just a little little update

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<v Speaker 3>in Wakefield. At the Springtown meeting group of us, we

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<v Speaker 3>actually put uh, we opposed this this sole side show

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<v Speaker 3>that was put together by the Planning Board, which which

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<v Speaker 3>was for some reason or other, was actually in favor

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<v Speaker 3>of this, uh for our town, which is ridiculous. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>we won by twenty three votes dowd. It was two

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<v Speaker 3>thirty to two hundred and seventy excuse me, two hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and seven. Uh. And it wasn't good enough of the town.

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<v Speaker 3>So the Selectman which is now town which is now

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<v Speaker 3>called the now town Council, they weren't happy, uh, And

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<v Speaker 3>so they brought it back in the fall, and they

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<v Speaker 3>stacked the town meeting and they in the town meeting.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, it was eight o'clock on a Saturday morning,

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<v Speaker 3>that's what they did. And believe it or not, they

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<v Speaker 3>had all their buddies in there, and uh, we lost it.

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<v Speaker 3>It was three oh nine to two four, So five

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<v Speaker 3>hundred people showed up at eight o'clock in the morning

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<v Speaker 3>on a Saturday for this thing. Or because they couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>They just couldn't handle you know, you know, us winning

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<v Speaker 2>And tell me what that comes down to. It shows

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<v Speaker 2>that democracy is a farce in your town. It would

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<v Speaker 2>be as if a hypothetically, let's assume that the Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>on November fifth said we don't like the result of

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<v Speaker 2>the the election of Donald Trump on November fifth, We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to rerun the presidential election on December eleventh. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and that and that time Kamal Harris wins. There, see,

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<v Speaker 2>we want it so now, I mean this is you

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<v Speaker 2>have a vote, and you live or you die with

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<v Speaker 2>the vote. You don't keep just bringing it back, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in another form or another version to slam it through

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<v Speaker 2>a town. I hope that you guys in Wakefield get

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<v Speaker 2>together and straighten out your town government.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we're going to have to bring it back again

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<v Speaker 3>because I don't want one square inch of our town

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<v Speaker 3>to be controlled by the state. There's there's they have

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<v Speaker 3>going to get out of this whole thing. It's an

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<v Speaker 3>unfunded mandate. Our school schools are screwed up, right, And

420
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<v Speaker 3>I brought it up to town me. I told these guys,

421
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how how many ways they don't understand it.

422
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<v Speaker 3>Our schools are completely full. We're going to have to

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<v Speaker 3>build another elementary school or two. The they want to

424
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<v Speaker 3>add another two thousand housing units in Wakefield. We've already

425
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<v Speaker 3>got a thousand units that are under construction, permitted, or

426
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<v Speaker 3>are currently currently going into occupancy. And this is absolutely insane.

427
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<v Speaker 3>It's unsustainable. This is absolutely insane. But they're following a trend.

428
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<v Speaker 3>Dam this is going across the entire country. Uh, you know,

429
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<v Speaker 3>this is nothing new for Massachusetts. This is just this

430
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<v Speaker 3>is they've they've screwed up the middle cities. Uh, you know,

431
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<v Speaker 3>and now they want to Now now they're coming after

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<v Speaker 3>the suburbs. They're actually they're going after the single family zoning.

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<v Speaker 3>They they they absolutely are there there. It's an attack

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<v Speaker 3>on the single family's owning. That's exactly what this is.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's there's also interest here. I mean, you know,

436
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<v Speaker 2>the developers, builders and.

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<v Speaker 3>All of them were tell me about it, you know, Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I mean that's you know, follow the money, follow

439
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<v Speaker 2>the money.

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<v Speaker 3>I did. I did. Bankers and tradesmen. Uh they're they're

441
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<v Speaker 3>they're they're the big guys. From Boston here and uh,

442
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<v Speaker 3>and they were they they were giddy about this and

443
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<v Speaker 3>I've got I don't have it right in front of

444
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<v Speaker 3>my hands here, but yeah, they were really happy about

445
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<v Speaker 3>I was quoted in that you know that they could

446
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<v Speaker 3>build literally you could tear down a little single family

447
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<v Speaker 3>house in one of these districts and you can you

448
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<v Speaker 3>could build a three story building with parking on the

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<v Speaker 3>first level and uh, two apartments on the second level,

450
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<v Speaker 3>two apartments on the third level, and oh, by the way,

451
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<v Speaker 3>and a rooftop deck. That's that it's baked into this thing,

452
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<v Speaker 3>and you could, you know, and they were so happy

453
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<v Speaker 3>with this thing, and you know, I've got it was

454
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<v Speaker 3>absolutely insane.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it'll change, it'll change communities forever, Bob, I got pat. Okay, Yeah,

456
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<v Speaker 2>when I say change, I mean ruin. I'm just I'm using,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a kind term. Thanks Bob, I got to

458
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<v Speaker 2>keep running here. Okay, thank you. So we go to

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<v Speaker 2>Brian in Shrewsbury. Brian, your next another community, Brian, go

460
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<v Speaker 2>right ahead. Okay, I got Brian on two lines here.

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<v Speaker 2>I think let me try Brian here. We had the

462
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<v Speaker 2>same thing last night, Rob, Brian and Shrewsbury Brian, are

463
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<v Speaker 2>you there?

464
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<v Speaker 3>I am here, Okay, got you some.

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<v Speaker 2>Reason you were showing up on two lines. Go ahead, Brian,

466
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<v Speaker 2>You're next on nights.

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<v Speaker 3>Compatriots of mine. We filed a referendum in Shrewsbury that

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<v Speaker 3>similar to Milton, the town meeting members voted in a

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<v Speaker 3>small town meeting, special town meeting. We really just hit

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<v Speaker 3>the amount of people that needed to show up for

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<v Speaker 3>a quorum, you know, they voted for this MBTA zone

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<v Speaker 3>and we had a short amount of time in just

473
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<v Speaker 3>like Milton, we got referendums Thanksgiving week we were out

474
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<v Speaker 3>in the freezing cold in our town. We got eighteen

475
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<v Speaker 3>hundred signatures which was enough to get certified and we

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<v Speaker 3>have a referendum now on the ballot here in Shrewsbury.

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<v Speaker 3>We did run into the select Board making sure to

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<v Speaker 3>fast track that'll that that you know, referendum election as

479
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<v Speaker 3>soon as possible, so we will have it in the

480
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<v Speaker 3>beginning of February. February third, I think is the date.

481
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<v Speaker 3>It's the first Tuesday in February.

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<v Speaker 2>Can be posted on that and let's have you on

483
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<v Speaker 2>a couple of weeks ahead of time and talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I still don't know anyone who can explain to me

485
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<v Speaker 2>what the benefits are to towns like Milton, Wakefield, Shrewsbury.

486
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<v Speaker 2>I don't. I'm just or Marshfield. What's the benefit?

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<v Speaker 3>You know that the town bureaucrats, the people that run

488
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<v Speaker 3>these towns, they're more afraid of the state. So the

489
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<v Speaker 3>reason that they pushed the election, the referendum forward, has

490
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<v Speaker 3>nothing to do with what we the people think about

491
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<v Speaker 3>overbuilding in town, and we have a lot of overbuilding.

492
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<v Speaker 3>Their answer is solely, it's the law, and we took

493
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<v Speaker 3>an oath to uphold the law, and so we just

494
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<v Speaker 3>have to do whatever they tell us to do, which

495
00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:54.599
<v Speaker 3>is a ridiculous argument because you actually are supposed to

496
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<v Speaker 3>represent the people of the town and the town is

497
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<v Speaker 3>saying we don't like this. But that's the and Dan,

498
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:04.240
<v Speaker 3>it's primarily fear. It's fear. Are these grants. You know,

499
00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:06.680
<v Speaker 3>they've they've they've gotten on the they've gotten on that

500
00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:09.400
<v Speaker 3>drip of the grants. They can't get off, so they're

501
00:29:09.400 --> 00:29:13.079
<v Speaker 3>a little addicted, and now now they're afraid, you know,

502
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<v Speaker 3>and that's generally where it is. I'm one of our

503
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<v Speaker 3>select board members actually works in Andrea Campbell's office, you know,

504
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:24.200
<v Speaker 3>who's obviously threatening to sue everybody and has Sude Milton,

505
00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:28.279
<v Speaker 3>you know, the Attorney General, so you know, we you know,

506
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:31.720
<v Speaker 3>they're obviously connected and they want this. I think they

507
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<v Speaker 3>want this because more housing means more money, means more power,

508
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:38.880
<v Speaker 3>right even in towns people love that power.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, well, just amazing. Uh, it is amazing that all

510
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<v Speaker 2>of this has has transpired on everyone's noses and very

511
00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:51.440
<v Speaker 2>few people in some of these communities realize what's going on.

512
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<v Speaker 2>They're going to work every day, you know, they're commuting

513
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<v Speaker 2>forty five minutes or an hour to get to work

514
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<v Speaker 2>or more, spending forty hours fifty hours a week working,

515
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:01.839
<v Speaker 2>come home with the weekends, and all they want to

516
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<v Speaker 2>do is watch the Patriots or something like that, and

517
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:06.200
<v Speaker 2>they're unaware of what's going on around them. And I'm

518
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<v Speaker 2>hoping that by doing shows like this with you, with

519
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<v Speaker 2>Brendan and others, we can sort of be the modern

520
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<v Speaker 2>day Paul Revere's Paul Reverers of the world and let

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<v Speaker 2>people know what the heck's going on.

522
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<v Speaker 3>So true, people don't actually know, you know, the average

523
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<v Speaker 3>person has no idea this is happening in their towns.

524
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<v Speaker 2>Most of them not a clue, not a clue. And

525
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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day, when when they when

526
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<v Speaker 2>the value of their their property goes down because simply

527
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<v Speaker 2>there's more housing, cheaper housing in the town, and they're

528
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<v Speaker 2>going to say, gee, you know, I paid half a

529
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<v Speaker 2>million dollars for this house, so I thought I'd be

530
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<v Speaker 2>able to make seven hundred, you know, get seven hundred thousand.

531
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<v Speaker 2>I have hold it for five years or ten years,

532
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<v Speaker 2>and the most they can possibly get is, you know,

533
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<v Speaker 2>four point fifty. A lot of people don't realize there's

534
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<v Speaker 2>an economic impact as well.

535
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you as much as always. Thank you my friend

537
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<v Speaker 2>who talks.

538
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<v Speaker 3>To appreciate it, right, you bet you?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Brenda, let's stay one more segment here, I

540
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<v Speaker 2>gotta take quick break. We got Yanna in Marshfield, Greg

541
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<v Speaker 2>and Shrewsbury coming up. And if anyone else wants to

542
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<v Speaker 2>try to get in six one, seven thirty, the only

543
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<v Speaker 2>lines that are open coming back on night.

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<v Speaker 1>Side Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window

545
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<v Speaker 1>World night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

546
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<v Speaker 2>We get a lot of calls. Let's keep rolling on

547
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<v Speaker 2>this very quickly, folks. We want to ask you to

548
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<v Speaker 2>push it. I know even wait in a long time.

549
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<v Speaker 2>But let's go to Vanna in Marshfield. YadA, excuse me,

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<v Speaker 2>YadA in Marshfield.

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<v Speaker 5>Ahead, YadA, Hey Dan, Merry Christmas. Happy everything got.

552
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<v Speaker 3>Back at you real quick.

553
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<v Speaker 5>Just for the record, we have our annual sound meeting

554
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<v Speaker 5>in April. Our specialty is usually in October, so I

555
00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:48.480
<v Speaker 5>think this one was an extra special anyway, that being said,

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<v Speaker 5>I am curious if the original legislation which you did

557
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<v Speaker 5>say was for signed by Charlie Breaker, if it da

558
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<v Speaker 5>included these penalties of you know, if you don't do this,

559
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<v Speaker 5>we're going to take you know, deny your grand funding.

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<v Speaker 5>And the gentleman who said that they you know, we're

561
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<v Speaker 5>addicted to the drip of grand funding. In the case

562
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<v Speaker 5>of Marshfield, it's our sea walls and it's to the

563
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<v Speaker 5>sum of millions of dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know the answer. Let me let me

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<v Speaker 2>see we have, Brendan.

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<v Speaker 3>But I have which is.

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<v Speaker 2>Hold. Yeah, I want to try to get an answer

568
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<v Speaker 2>for your question. First of all, Brendan, do you know

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<v Speaker 2>if that was in the original legislation has that been

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<v Speaker 2>added as an emolument At.

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<v Speaker 3>This point, I honestly cannot answer that. And I would

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<v Speaker 3>also say I think Janna would have a better better

573
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<v Speaker 3>grasp on that than me.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, So then my other point is I mean, I

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<v Speaker 5>just said like I'm curious. I'm curious to know. I

576
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<v Speaker 5>don't know the answer, but I would like to say

577
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<v Speaker 5>that I wish that all the people in Marshfield who

578
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<v Speaker 5>fought this, and all the people all over the state

579
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<v Speaker 5>who are fighting this, would fight Massachusetts Chapter forty B,

580
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<v Speaker 5>which is forcing communities all over the state to how

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<v Speaker 5>to developers who can override our local zoning laws and

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<v Speaker 5>build whatever the heck they want.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, do me a favor, Yana. It's late

584
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<v Speaker 2>in the show. I wish you called earlier. You send

585
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<v Speaker 2>me some materials on that. Rob will give you my

586
00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:31.920
<v Speaker 2>direct number and we can do something on that when

587
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<v Speaker 2>I get back after January.

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<v Speaker 3>On January first heard of Okay, it sounds good to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Rob will give you my direct line and you

590
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:41.799
<v Speaker 2>can call me and send me an email. Give Yanna

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<v Speaker 2>Rob my email and my direct line. Thank you, Yanam.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me go next to Greg and Shrewsbury. Greg, want

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<v Speaker 2>to get you and a couple of others in go

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<v Speaker 2>right ahead?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Hey, Dan, how's it going? Yeah, one thing I

596
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<v Speaker 6>just wanted to highlight as just the incessant on the grands.

597
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<v Speaker 6>Grants were in the original bill, just to answer that

598
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<v Speaker 6>question on the legislation, but they are specific. But what

599
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<v Speaker 6>the state has done now is now they're using this

600
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<v Speaker 6>big umbrella and they're stating that you have to be

601
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<v Speaker 6>compliant with Massachusetts law to be eligible with a whole

602
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<v Speaker 6>bunch of other grants. So they're using that very broad

603
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<v Speaker 6>right definition and say, well three A is a law.

604
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<v Speaker 6>So now we're going to include nineteen I think now

605
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<v Speaker 6>with the housing the other economic bond bill. Now with

606
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<v Speaker 6>housing bill, there's like another twenty six grants they're trying

607
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<v Speaker 6>to throw in increase the size of the stick. Oh yeah,

608
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<v Speaker 6>the stick is getting bigger and bigger because there's so

609
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:37.559
<v Speaker 6>many towns who are fighting back and saying no. And

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<v Speaker 6>that's what I really enjoyed about this whole process, especially

611
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<v Speaker 6>with Shrewsbury and O'Brien was not talking about our referendum,

612
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<v Speaker 6>but we got those best practices from Milton because we

613
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<v Speaker 6>were talking to the communities. We're communicating with other towns

614
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<v Speaker 6>their strength and numbers in the communities, and I think

615
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:53.920
<v Speaker 6>more and more people need to do this for other

616
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<v Speaker 6>initiatives throughout the state, because you're not alone. And I

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<v Speaker 6>think we as residents and and those residents of the

618
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<v Speaker 6>Commonwealth should gang together a lot more and come up

619
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<v Speaker 6>with other ways to fight as a larger group and

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<v Speaker 6>not just look at ourselves as whether I'm from Winthrop

621
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<v Speaker 6>or I'm oh, yeah, Cruse bearing because we don't do

622
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<v Speaker 6>that enough. We just don't see it enough, because people

623
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<v Speaker 6>will just get too stuck in their own day.

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<v Speaker 2>In unity, there is strength, and at this point you

625
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<v Speaker 2>have the goliath of the state of Massachusetts coming down

626
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<v Speaker 2>individually on one hundred and seventy seven cities in towns.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you'll keep in contact with me on this,

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<v Speaker 2>Greg because you provided an answer to Yada's question. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't surprise me that answer. It sounds makes a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of sense. All it is. It's a throut. It's really

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<v Speaker 2>the equivalent of extortion by the state against the cities

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<v Speaker 2>and towns saying we're going to withhold from you funds

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<v Speaker 2>that you should have a right to have unless you.

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<v Speaker 3>Comply exactly, and then all these local select board members

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<v Speaker 3>and they don't want to. They really are fear based leaders.

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<v Speaker 3>And we see fear based leadership all across not only

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<v Speaker 3>the Commonwealth but even fetterally. And you know, we got

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<v Speaker 3>to have some stronger leaders, you know, that are that

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<v Speaker 3>are representing us as we the people, because that is

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<v Speaker 3>really what's left us. And if one thing we can

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<v Speaker 3>do in the new year, right, I think is is

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<v Speaker 3>remember how we were founded here in Massachusetts and go

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<v Speaker 3>back to those times and not be based on fear

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<v Speaker 3>and do what we want as people and and lead

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<v Speaker 3>ourselves and not rely on others.

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<v Speaker 2>I could agree with you more. Greg. Thanks a great call,

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<v Speaker 2>really great call. Let's talk soon. Okay, thank you much

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate going to try to get to everybody in here.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see what we can do. Alex, you've called very late,

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<v Speaker 2>You've got a little time, go ahead, Alex.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, yes, letically claim so. In my view, the state

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<v Speaker 7>of Massachusetts has a lot of resources to solve the

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<v Speaker 7>housing prot opium. And so my question is why is

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<v Speaker 7>the state of Massachusetts it gives so many so much

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<v Speaker 7>subsidized houses to immigrants co prodoxically illegal or who came

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<v Speaker 7>from temporary visa for example from Ukraine, oh who came

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<v Speaker 7>from sports such ship and sports mast provide housing for.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, than I think that's an interesting point. Maybe that's

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<v Speaker 2>what's behind all of this. Although the law did pass,

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<v Speaker 2>and again the waiting hours of the legislative section I

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<v Speaker 2>believe in in twenty twenty, and that was really before

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<v Speaker 2>the immigration crisis has blown up. But your instincts are

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely true, Alex. We're limited funds and we have to

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<v Speaker 2>help people here in Massachusetts. Alex, I gotta keep going.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a couple more like to try to get

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<v Speaker 2>him in. Okay, Oh great, thanks you, thank you for calling, Alex.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate it very much. Let me go next to Tracy

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<v Speaker 2>and Gloucester. Tracy, you're next on nights Side with my

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<v Speaker 2>guest Brendan Wild of Marshall.

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<v Speaker 8>Go ahead, Tracy, Hi, Dan, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 8>doing this and for keeping this subject on the front lines.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm in Gloucester and we're a city. Most of the

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<v Speaker 8>people we've been talking to are in the towns and

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<v Speaker 8>they have town meetings. We have a city council of

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<v Speaker 8>nine members, and two of them were told to recuse

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<v Speaker 8>them selves from the vote because they live in the districts,

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<v Speaker 8>which that would bothers me too. I mean, we're no

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<v Speaker 8>longer a neighborhood or award. We're now districts. But two

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<v Speaker 8>of the city council members were told to rechoose themselves.

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<v Speaker 8>So the rest of the city council voted seven to

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<v Speaker 8>zero four three A.

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<v Speaker 2>And they first of all, they should not have been

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<v Speaker 2>forced to recuse themselves. In my opinion, this their residents

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<v Speaker 2>and their representatives leadership.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 8>They own property and they would have benefited from it

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<v Speaker 8>was the excuse. But all the other councilors live in

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<v Speaker 8>the other wards, so you know they live on the outskirts.

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<v Speaker 2>What you got to do. What you got to do, Tracy,

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<v Speaker 2>is elect other representatives. If you don't feel your.

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<v Speaker 3>Counselors positively, positively.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely get out there one go ahead. You got to

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<v Speaker 2>be quick with no.

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<v Speaker 8>I was the city council for two weeks. I was

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<v Speaker 8>a city coastlor for two years. I won by two votes,

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<v Speaker 8>three votes, but one was in question, you know, because

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<v Speaker 8>they recount run again. Come on, okay, just just listen.

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<v Speaker 8>Though I've lived here in my house for sixty five years,

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<v Speaker 8>I run the city council and they moved the ward

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<v Speaker 8>lines on me. So they moved he districted me out

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<v Speaker 8>of my wood it's called Jerry Mandry Tracy.

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<v Speaker 2>I am fine, out of time. I wish you had

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<v Speaker 2>called early, you said, a fascinating caller.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, I will call again and.

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<v Speaker 2>Do something with you. All right, thank you. I appreciate it,

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<v Speaker 2>my pleasure. I appreciate you call. Have a great weekend. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>To the callers in the line, wish you called earlier. Brendan,

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<v Speaker 2>keep up the fight in Marshfield and anything we can

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<v Speaker 2>do to help you out, please let me know.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, absolutely, that sounds good. Dan, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Again. I know it's tough fighting city Hall and it's

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<v Speaker 2>really tough fighting the state House, but you'll win eventually

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<v Speaker 2>because I think the merits of the argument only on

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<v Speaker 2>your side of this case. So hang with it. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you live in Marshfield, please support Brendan. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you live in the other communities, look at what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on and understand that you're being extorted by the state.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a Simples. They're putting a gun to your head.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Brendan. Merry Christmas. Yuh god. Okay, thanks, Brendan,

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it. All right, we get back go talk about

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<v Speaker 2>another side of this coin. Here in Massachusetts, crime serious

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<v Speaker 2>crime that is not being prosecuted properly. We'll explain it all

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<v Speaker 2>right after the nine o'clock news