WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.120 --> 00:00:04.440 It's nice time with Dan Ray. I'm telling you easy 2 00:00:04.839 --> 00:00:07.559 Boston's News Radio. 3 00:00:07.879 --> 00:00:10.960 Well, I thank my guess, David Irvin for his time 4 00:00:11.039 --> 00:00:13.240 last hour. He's a good guest. I hope you enjoyed 5 00:00:13.240 --> 00:00:15.880 the conversation as much as I did. And I thank 6 00:00:16.519 --> 00:00:19.079 Dave from San Antonio calling in. David just a little 7 00:00:19.079 --> 00:00:21.359 bit late and we had to get to the newscast. 8 00:00:21.440 --> 00:00:26.679 So i'd like to talk about with your permission, I'd 9 00:00:26.760 --> 00:00:30.559 like to talk about the efforts yesterday by Governor Healy. 10 00:00:31.079 --> 00:00:34.880 She's outlined a plan to reduce energy bills here in Massachusetts. 11 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:38.280 I have some strong feelings on this. I suspect some 12 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:42.439 of you do as well. I like most of you 13 00:00:43.640 --> 00:00:52.560 have watched energy bills go up, certainly, and I'm a 14 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:55.359 little perplexed by it, as I'm sure some of you 15 00:00:55.479 --> 00:00:57.920 are as well. You know, you look at your energy 16 00:00:57.920 --> 00:01:01.920 bill and in ever source customer, and I think they're 17 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:05.200 a legitimate organization. I don't think that they're stealing money 18 00:01:05.200 --> 00:01:09.159 from me or anything, but I do think that when 19 00:01:09.200 --> 00:01:11.200 you look at the bill and you look at all 20 00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:17.480 of the various charges, some of which are well, I 21 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:19.680 don't know what they all mean to be really honest 22 00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:24.040 with you. There's a distribution charge, there's a customer charge. 23 00:01:24.719 --> 00:01:29.480 There's a transition charge. There's a transmission charge. There's a 24 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:34.319 net meter recovery search charge. There's a revenue decoupling charge. 25 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:39.120 There's a distributed solar charge. There's a renewable energy charge. 26 00:01:39.439 --> 00:01:45.120 There's an energy efficiency charge. There's an electric vehicle program. 27 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:48.439 I don't have an electric vehicle. I don't know why 28 00:01:48.480 --> 00:01:52.400 I should be paying for an electric vehicle. Now. Again, 29 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:59.560 there's a correlation in just picking electric bills on the 30 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:05.480 amount of electricity that you use in any given month 31 00:02:06.519 --> 00:02:09.080 and the you know, obviously it's the same way with 32 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:17.159 gas bills. But the governor yesterday held a news conference 33 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:22.240 and she was talking about I guess a couple of 34 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:28.280 one time only fifty dollars charges. And I wasn't at 35 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:31.479 the press conference. I used to cover those sorts of events. 36 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:36.599 I don't anymore. But I heard the press conference and 37 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:39.680 I listened to what she had to say, and I 38 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:44.639 came away maybe a little more confused than I would 39 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:46.919 have expected to be. And I'd love to get your reaction. 40 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:50.199 It seems to me that this is an issue that 41 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:59.080 the Heally administration is behind in my opinion. Let me Rob, 42 00:02:59.159 --> 00:03:02.599 if you can, I want you to queue up cut 43 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:11.639 number thirty six. Clearly the revolt that people felt in 44 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:14.400 the last couple of months. Now, look, we had a 45 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:19.599 colder than usual winter that means people were using more energy. 46 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:25.240 At the same time, the Department of Public Utilities, it's 47 00:03:25.240 --> 00:03:28.840 a three member panel, voted in I guess it was 48 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:37.280 late October to give the energy providers an increase, and 49 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:39.719 now they didn't know what the weather was going to be. 50 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:43.080 But it was a healthy increase and it turns out 51 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:46.000 to be healthy bills for all of us. So this 52 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:51.280 was the governor yesterday trying to prove that she's relevant 53 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:54.759 in this and I think she's a little late to 54 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:59.280 the party. And let's hear what she had to say. 55 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:03.919 This is the governor yesterday cut number thirty six acknowledging 56 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:07.599 that this fifty dollars credit, which a lot of people 57 00:04:07.639 --> 00:04:12.639 aren't going to really understand, is it much compared to 58 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:14.120 what people are paying Cut thirty. 59 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:17.199 Six, Rob, here's what I wanted to tell you. A 60 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:20.279 few weeks ago, I told the Department of Public Utilities 61 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:24.959 to act to lower costs. After we pushed on that, 62 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:29.199 we got a ten percent cut for gas bills in 63 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:33.600 March and in April. We are glad about that. Okay, 64 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:36.319 so people are going to see ten percent off starting 65 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:40.800 March and April, but we're not stopping there. I also 66 00:04:40.839 --> 00:04:44.199 wanted to announce today, as part of our energy Affordability Agenda, 67 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:45.480 a few things. 68 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:47.399 First, we want to put cash back in. 69 00:04:47.399 --> 00:04:50.680 People's pockets, some immediate relief. So on April, in your 70 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:53.120 electric bill, you will now be getting a credit back 71 00:04:53.160 --> 00:04:56.720 of fifty dollars. I know that's not a ton of 72 00:04:56.759 --> 00:04:59.240 money compared to what people have been paying, but it 73 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:03.439 is some. It is something, and every dollar counts. 74 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:08.480 Okay, now this is you heard what the governor said. 75 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:13.600 Let me just tell you what happened. What happened was 76 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:20.040 the governor wanted the Department of Public Utilities to act, 77 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:25.480 and what the governors who were appointed, and I believe 78 00:05:25.519 --> 00:05:28.600 at this point she has appointed two of the members 79 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:33.040 of the Department of Public Utilities and her predecessor, Governor Baker, 80 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:43.920 had appointed one. They told the various energy companies to 81 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:50.399 reduce the bills by five percent. The governor asked the 82 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:57.040 DPU to act. Her DPU told the energy companies to 83 00:05:57.120 --> 00:06:01.040 reduce the bills by five percent. The energy companies turned 84 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:04.399 around and said, wait a second, we won't reduce them 85 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:07.759 by five percent, We'll reduce them by ten percent. So 86 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:14.160 the energy companies were in effect tougher on themselves than 87 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:20.120 our Department of Public Utilities was on them. Think about it. 88 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:22.439 I mean, it's like if you went to your boss 89 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:26.920 and said, I want a two percent raise. Boss, I 90 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:29.319 haven't had a raise in a five years. I want 91 00:06:29.319 --> 00:06:32.600 a two percent raise, and the boss said, you got it. 92 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:35.720 That makes you happy. I'm happy. The boss then said, 93 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:38.399 you know, I would have given you a ten percent raise, 94 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:42.839 where this was crazy. So the governor said, she you 95 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:46.360 characterized that pretty easily. She says, we got a ten 96 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:51.040 percent cut. Well, that ten percent cut was actually twice 97 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:56.639 what her own Department of Utilities was asking the energy 98 00:06:56.680 --> 00:07:04.079 providers to do. Now, the bottom line is this is 99 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:09.000 something that the administration should have been in front of, 100 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:12.920 all the politicians should have been in front of. And 101 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:15.560 there are reasons for this. I mean, there's been a 102 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:19.240 lot of money. All this money that we're going to 103 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:26.600 get back. The fifty dollars for each customer, okay, each bill, uh, 104 00:07:26.959 --> 00:07:31.720 these fifty dollars are supposed to offset surging energy costs. 105 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:35.240 Now the governed amidst fifty dollars isn't enough, Okay, where 106 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:37.600 does that money come from? According to Matt Stout and 107 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:40.360 The Boston Globe, state officials said that every electric residential 108 00:07:40.399 --> 00:07:44.920 customer in Massachusetts served by either Eversource National Group or UNITIL. 109 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:49.639 That you were me okay, well, because this you know, 110 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:53.839 most five percent of the people get their electricity in 111 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:58.040 Massachusetts from Eversource National Grid or UNITIL. There are a 112 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:03.160 few communities that have their own election power sources. We'll 113 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:05.480 get the credit. This total is about one hundred and 114 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:11.040 twenty five million dollars, which the state would cover. So 115 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:13.399 the fifty dollars that you're going to get from ever 116 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:17.399 Source National Grid of UNITIL will be covered by the state, 117 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:23.199 according to The Boston Globe, using compliance payment funds from 118 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:30.759 utilities now. Healy framed the credit as one component of 119 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:34.720 a longer term and still forming planner administration pursuing to 120 00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:39.799 peer back energy costs for residents. Well that plan should 121 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:43.559 have been in place last year. The cost of the 122 00:08:45.639 --> 00:08:51.600 of the new discount would be shouldered by all customers 123 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:55.360 through rates that would need approval from the Department of 124 00:08:55.399 --> 00:08:59.279 Public Utilities. That's kind of interesting, a little bit of 125 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:04.559 a spread the wealth there. According to a state senator, 126 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:10.799 this is not the governor. According to state senator, redistribution 127 00:09:10.840 --> 00:09:14.279 distributing costs is fair and important in terms of providing 128 00:09:14.320 --> 00:09:17.360 some people cost relief, but it's also important to figure 129 00:09:17.399 --> 00:09:20.639 out how to take down the overall cost of decarbonizing. 130 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:26.600 This is what the problem is. The Massachusets Department of 131 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:30.559 Public Utilities approved increases of ten thirty percent last fall 132 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:33.279 in gas bills for the six month heating season, in 133 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:36.320 part because of rising costs associated with the state's mass 134 00:09:36.320 --> 00:09:40.480 Save energy efficiency program and gas pipeline replacement projects. The 135 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:42.799 fact of the matter is that this state has fought 136 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:46.519 against gas pipeline more gas pipelines coming in here. A 137 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:54.440 lot of the you know, so called energy conservation organizations 138 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:58.960 have fought against that, and now this winter, you know, 139 00:09:59.039 --> 00:10:01.919 the chickens kind of came home to roost. Fact of 140 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:06.679 the matter is, we need oil, we need gas, we 141 00:10:06.720 --> 00:10:11.559 need natural gas, we need nuclear. Offshore wind is not 142 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:15.000 going to do it for us, despite what John Carrey says, 143 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:18.320 and solar is not going to do it for us 144 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:21.360 here in Massachusetts. Solim my help during a couple of 145 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:23.360 months during the year. So what I want to do 146 00:10:23.559 --> 00:10:26.840 is open up the phone lines and find out from you. 147 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:30.480 Are you happy with the governor that at least she's 148 00:10:30.559 --> 00:10:35.120 trying better late than never? Or do you feel she's 149 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:38.080 just kind of late to the party. And who do 150 00:10:38.120 --> 00:10:41.679 you blame for this? Do you blame government? Do you 151 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:44.279 blame the politicians on Beacon Hill who seem to have 152 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:48.279 been asleep at the switch, the DPU Department of Public 153 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:52.080 Utilities who gave out these increases. They probably figure we're 154 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:56.440 going to have another mile winter. If I were Governor Healy, 155 00:10:57.200 --> 00:11:00.679 I would ask for the resignation of all three members 156 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:03.200 of the Department of Public Utilities. I don't know if 157 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:05.720 she has an enter power to fire them, but I 158 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:09.360 would ask for their resignation, and I would find three 159 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:13.679 consumer advocates to replace them on the Department of Public Utilities. 160 00:11:14.919 --> 00:11:18.080 Love to hear your ideas or your suggestions, because guess what, 161 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:21.240 we're just going to come back around about nine months 162 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:24.759 from now, believe it or not, nine months from now, 163 00:11:25.080 --> 00:11:29.639 it'll be getting cold in Massachusetts again. Those hearings, those 164 00:11:29.720 --> 00:11:33.840 DPU hearings last fall when the utility companies went in 165 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:38.879 looking for maybe necessary increases. Where was the coverage. There 166 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:43.240 wasn't any coverage at all. We cover fires, and I'm 167 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:46.480 not talking about necessarily just WBZ. I'm talking about the 168 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:50.279 television stations the newspapers. Newspapers probably do a better job 169 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:54.440 of it, but these are the decisions that actually impact you. 170 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:57.120 So the decisions were made in late mid to late 171 00:11:57.159 --> 00:12:01.240 October at the Department of Public Utilities. They're the ones 172 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:05.519 who are responsible for what you're paying this January, February, 173 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:08.879 and March. And you probably watched a lot of newscasts 174 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:12.759 last fall, television newscasts where they showed you car accidents, 175 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:18.720 house fires, uh you know, ducks being rescued off of 176 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:23.200 ponds or whatever. But they didn't. I ideare anyone to 177 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:26.279 find me a television story on any of the major 178 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:29.399 local TV stations here that dealt with that. Those hearings, 179 00:12:29.480 --> 00:12:32.759 the DPU hearings, they were important and they were missed. 180 00:12:33.039 --> 00:12:37.559 So who do you blame? Six thirty six, one, seven, nine, three, 181 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:40.360 one ten thirty Love to hear what your bill is. 182 00:12:40.840 --> 00:12:42.519 I'm not going to tell you what my bill is 183 00:12:42.559 --> 00:12:45.519 because it's pretty depressing, but I'd love to hear what 184 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:47.519 yours is mine is much more than it was a 185 00:12:47.559 --> 00:12:51.639 year ago. I live in the same house. I try 186 00:12:51.639 --> 00:12:54.919 to control electricity. I certainly try to control I am 187 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:59.039 very budget conscious, and even as budget conscious as I am, 188 00:12:59.519 --> 00:13:03.919 and as budget conscious as I was, it cost me 189 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:07.799 more money every month this winter, and the fifty dollars 190 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:10.000 that the Governor's gonna get us it's not going to 191 00:13:10.080 --> 00:13:13.440 make me whole again. As I say, Governor, if you're listening, 192 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:18.360 ask for the resignations of those three DPU commissioners. They 193 00:13:19.159 --> 00:13:23.480 missed it last October. They failed you, and more importantly, Governor, 194 00:13:23.799 --> 00:13:27.519 they failed the residents of Massachusetts. Back on Nightside right 195 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:28.039 after this. 196 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:31.879 Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World 197 00:13:32.039 --> 00:13:35.159 Nightside Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio. 198 00:13:36.440 --> 00:13:38.240 All right, let's go to the phones and we can 199 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:41.279 share information and perspective. And I don't have all the 200 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:44.279 answers here, so I'm hoping that many of you have 201 00:13:44.440 --> 00:13:47.519 perspectives that you can either agree, disagree, or add another 202 00:13:47.559 --> 00:13:50.720 element to the conversation. Let's go first to Paul and Attleborough. 203 00:13:50.720 --> 00:13:54.200 Paul first this hour a Nightside, go to head Paul. 204 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:57.519 How you doing, Hi, good sir, how you doing what's up? 205 00:13:58.519 --> 00:13:58.919 All right? 206 00:13:59.240 --> 00:14:03.679 U uh, I agree with the on the government's out 207 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:06.120 of this at a step with what's going on in 208 00:14:06.159 --> 00:14:11.720 the government and other commission that's there and uh it's 209 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:15.480 uh the uh you know, it started off with everybody 210 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:19.919 complained about the gas pills, but in general with the 211 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:25.159 way the green energy policy going on with everybody there 212 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:28.399 incentives that they're having is just with this heat pump 213 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:34.399 technology to departmentize this, and they're expensive. Electricity is money, 214 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:36.720 you know, not getting the oil filled up, but you 215 00:14:36.879 --> 00:14:40.440 own the antility company owns your owns you, you know, 216 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:42.200 and they don't. 217 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:42.600 Tell you a lot. 218 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:47.320 I get. I get every month this pitch from uh 219 00:14:47.399 --> 00:14:50.879 some solar energy company. I get, you know, I'm on 220 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:53.480 some sort of a mailing list and I get, you know, 221 00:14:53.679 --> 00:14:57.840 dear consumer, do you want safe, clean energy? And you 222 00:14:57.840 --> 00:15:00.320 know you read all about it and it said sign 223 00:15:00.440 --> 00:15:04.279 this back and you can become Well, I've looked at it. 224 00:15:04.279 --> 00:15:07.639 It's much more expensive. It might be cleaner. I don't 225 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:09.240 know if it is, but I know it's much more 226 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:14.240 expensive and I'm not interested personally. It's spending you know, 227 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:17.320 thirty percent more for my energy bills so I can 228 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:20.519 walk around and virtue signal and say well I'm getting 229 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:24.240 my energy from solar and win, you know, and I 230 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:25.440 just know that stuff away. 231 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:30.480 Yeah. Well, back in twenty twenty two they ordered National 232 00:15:30.519 --> 00:15:36.320 Grid to give away solar projects. You guys, they never 233 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:39.120 spent enough money out of that and sent the money 234 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:43.399 you're talking about on the charges. Yes, they're supposed to 235 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:48.080 provide availability for people to get solar. I took antage 236 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:49.879 of that and I got solar on my house in 237 00:15:49.960 --> 00:15:57.120 that prom and this peer obviously being cold, but usually 238 00:15:57.159 --> 00:16:01.879 buying April for us to November. I don't have an 239 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:06.679 election paid in the paid during the winter, and it's 240 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:07.320 so so. 241 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:12.919 The summer so so. Solar panels are good for you, right, Yeah, 242 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:15.200 what would have it cost? What would have it cost 243 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:18.600 you to have installed those solar panels on your arse? 244 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:23.399 I had done it myself. Your problem probably twenty eight 245 00:16:23.399 --> 00:16:26.600 thousand dollars. I've seen subsistent. I'm actually a building inspector. 246 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:31.000 I'm seeing permits coming in in the forty eight thousand dollars. 247 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:34.960 Okay, what did you pay under the program that you 248 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:36.919 took advantage of it and there's nothing wrong? 249 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:39.039 Yeah, you made. 250 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:47.000 Yeah, which is which is great for you, And and look, 251 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:52.399 the program existed. But somehow that program got funded, and 252 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:55.960 I assume it got funded on the backs of all. 253 00:16:56.600 --> 00:17:01.440 The residents all those little charges said you see, yeah, 254 00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:05.279 you know, and I just basically recuperated all the years 255 00:17:05.319 --> 00:17:08.359 that I paid my electric goal and paid a pack. 256 00:17:09.279 --> 00:17:12.880 Well, well, I'm happy for you, okay. And and and 257 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:16.200 for people who can afford twenty eight or thirty thousand 258 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:20.759 dollars for solar panels, how long did they You didn't 259 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:24.279 pay anything for the solar panels, so you started saving 260 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:28.000 money right away. But for somebody, let's say here in Massachusetts, 261 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:31.079 on a normal sized house, who spent thirty thousand dollars 262 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:34.240 on solar panels, how long would it take them to 263 00:17:34.359 --> 00:17:36.559 recoup that that capitalize? 264 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:42.039 Probably from the best information I received, probably at about 265 00:17:42.039 --> 00:17:46.920 ten years. Ten years now I weren't the panels, So 266 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:49.039 about twenty to twenty five. 267 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:51.880 Years, okay, which is good, which is good. 268 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:56.039 But remember you're paying. 269 00:17:56.319 --> 00:18:01.440 You're paying in year one with money that is valued 270 00:18:01.480 --> 00:18:06.240 in year one. The money if you had taken that money, 271 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:10.160 let's say that twenty eight thousand dollars and invested it 272 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:13.440 in a good, you know market fund, you know, some 273 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:17.240 some sort of fund that twenty eight thousand dollars probably 274 00:18:17.240 --> 00:18:21.079 would grow to at least I'm guessing forty thousand dollars 275 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:24.559 over a ten year period. So when you calculate what 276 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:26.960 does it cost you to recover that money that you 277 00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:29.680 that you would have laid out hypothetically in year one, 278 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:32.680 you got to think about not just recovery the twenty eight, 279 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:34.519 but you got to figure out what you're going to 280 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:36.400 to recover the forty realistically. 281 00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:40.079 If you get my job, Yeah, I knew you. 282 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:43.799 Know so well, I'm I'm happy for you, and I'm 283 00:18:43.799 --> 00:18:46.799 happy that you took you know, I did one of 284 00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:50.839 those energy surveys and I got a little bit of 285 00:18:50.839 --> 00:18:54.440 insulation in my house if the program was there. Took 286 00:18:54.440 --> 00:18:59.119 advantage of it. But it's it's a little unfair in 287 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:01.079 the sense that people like you and me, who were 288 00:19:01.079 --> 00:19:03.519 smart enough and aware of what's going on, we take 289 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:06.640 advantage of it, and poor people who don't take advantage 290 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:10.240 of it, or people who don't own houses and are 291 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:16.599 renting they're paying energy, yes, exactly, exactly. 292 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:20.319 Yeah, landlords who don't care about the tenants. All they 293 00:19:20.319 --> 00:19:21.160 care about is they're right. 294 00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:26.359 You bet you a lot of them. You got it, Paul. 295 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:29.759 Thank you for calling in and thank you for explaining 296 00:19:29.799 --> 00:19:31.759 to us how that worked. I appreciate it very much. 297 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:34.160 Oh, prom Dan, I was one of the guys that 298 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:36.480 got missed over there when the you had this they 299 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:37.519 ordered the last week. 300 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:42.119 Okay, oh you got missed, you said. 301 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:44.839 Or yeah, I was online with when you had the 302 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:47.880 state order last week. So I decided to call you 303 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:49.160 earlier time to get on here. 304 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:51.720 Oh thank you. Yeah, well right, we ran out. We 305 00:19:51.799 --> 00:19:54.039 ran out of time, Paul. It is always good to 306 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:57.279 call early. Great example, and they got you got six minutes, 307 00:19:57.279 --> 00:20:00.480 and you provided valuable information to my audience, which is 308 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:02.559 what the best I can get out of any caller. 309 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:03.240 Thank you, Paul. 310 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:06.759 Continue to call you, agree, Dan, goodbye. 311 00:20:06.519 --> 00:20:09.039 You Here comes the news at the bottom of the hour. 312 00:20:09.319 --> 00:20:11.680 I have the only line that is open right now 313 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:14.759 is six months. I have two at six, one, seven, two, five, 314 00:20:14.839 --> 00:20:17.160 four to ten thirty. If you call now, we'll get 315 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:19.039 you in, and we'll get you in before eleven o'clock, 316 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:23.000 I promise. Coming up next week. Got Sandy is in 317 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:26.160 West Roxbury. I got Chris and Canton and Jeane and Everett, 318 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:28.799 and I got room for you at six, one, seven, two, five, four, 319 00:20:28.880 --> 00:20:32.519 ten thirty. Who do you blame for this depicle of 320 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:37.359 higher energy bills? I don't blame the companies, to be 321 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:41.640 really honest with you, I blame the DPU commissioners who 322 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:44.839 should be asked to resign by the governor. Agree or disagree. 323 00:20:44.839 --> 00:20:48.880 Coming back on Nightside, It's Nightside with Dan Ray on 324 00:20:49.240 --> 00:20:55.440 w Boston's news radio. Back to the phones we go. 325 00:20:55.559 --> 00:20:58.359 Let me go to Sandy in West Roxbury. Sandy, you're 326 00:20:58.400 --> 00:20:59.200 next on Nightside. 327 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:04.559 Welcome, Thank you. I think we made a mistake. Now 328 00:21:04.599 --> 00:21:06.720 I could be wrong. I've been wrong before. 329 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:10.480 Mistakes. Go ahead. 330 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:14.880 We're not getting ten percent off. What they're doing is 331 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:18.680 down stilling. So they're taking some percent off now. Then 332 00:21:18.680 --> 00:21:21.759 they're going to charge us the extra ten percent during 333 00:21:21.759 --> 00:21:26.920 the summer months with interest. Yes, so I'm not getting 334 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:29.519 anything off. We're not geting anything back. We're going to 335 00:21:29.599 --> 00:21:31.720 end up paying more because of the interest we. 336 00:21:31.720 --> 00:21:35.359 Have to pay. Thank you for that clarification. And yeah, 337 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:40.839 uh that's Sandy. Thank you. 338 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:43.920 Anything I sent to today? 339 00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:46.119 Did I see what I sent you? 340 00:21:46.200 --> 00:21:48.279 A list of the charges? 341 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:53.880 Yes, I'm looking at charging them. Well, I'm looking at YouTube. 342 00:21:53.559 --> 00:21:57.519 Claim to get somebody to explain them, you know, because 343 00:21:57.519 --> 00:21:59.880 I didn't. We're paying for all kinds of things, like you, 344 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:03.960 I'm paying for electric vehicles. I don't have one on paying. 345 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:06.160 Let me just let me just let me just read. 346 00:22:06.319 --> 00:22:08.519 I read the list earlier. But for those who do 347 00:22:08.599 --> 00:22:13.039 not know what we're talking about, we had you get 348 00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:18.920 a charge your your generation service charge. That's the supplier charge, okay, 349 00:22:19.359 --> 00:22:22.160 and that is the amount of money that you pay 350 00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:28.880 for your uh, for your for your killer watts okay uh. 351 00:22:28.920 --> 00:22:34.440 And then you you have a generation service charge based 352 00:22:34.519 --> 00:22:37.440 upon the amount of killer watt hours that you use. 353 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:44.400 Then you have a distribution charge, you have a customer charge, 354 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:49.759 you have a transition charge, you have a transmission charge. 355 00:22:50.519 --> 00:22:51.359 Breathing charge. 356 00:22:51.519 --> 00:22:52.960 Wasn't there a breathing charge in this? 357 00:22:53.359 --> 00:22:55.680 I think so? Yeah. Right. Then there's a net meter 358 00:22:55.839 --> 00:23:00.359 recovery search charge. There's a recovery a revenue decouple. 359 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:05.640 In charge, and that's gage distributed solar charge. There's a 360 00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:11.000 renewable energy charge energy efficiency charge. By the way, the 361 00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:16.680 energy efficiency charge is thirty six dollars and eighty seven cents. 362 00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:20.279 Yeah, ridiculous on my bill that that's a big number. 363 00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:28.039 And nine Yeah, there's the then does the electrical vehicle program. 364 00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:29.799 I don't know what all these. 365 00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:33.640 Means garbage if they take money from us, and you know, 366 00:23:33.880 --> 00:23:39.279 they don't advertise the problems at the rewards program like 367 00:23:39.319 --> 00:23:41.839 that man was talking about. They don't advertise it well. 368 00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:46.119 And it doesn't like I looked into that myself, and 369 00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:48.200 I have too many trees, so I couldn't use it 370 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:51.920 anyway ever, And you know, it's just not fair that 371 00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:55.039 they and as to who should go, they should all go. 372 00:23:55.480 --> 00:23:58.559 They don't care about that's at all. I mean Mayo 373 00:23:58.640 --> 00:24:00.680 Woo and her city council, so they are the first 374 00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:02.839 thing they did with the both themselves an automatic ten 375 00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:05.720 percent raise every year. And look at the policeman and 376 00:24:05.759 --> 00:24:09.200 the firemen fighting and by people I shouldn't say fire man, 377 00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:11.720 but you know, fighting for a two and three percent 378 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:14.519 raise every year. And if you have a fight you didn't, 379 00:24:14.599 --> 00:24:17.039 I'm able and she'll come and put it out for you. 380 00:24:17.559 --> 00:24:20.759 I mean, it's just they don't care about us. 381 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:25.799 There's no question they don't care about us, and they 382 00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:29.839 particularly don't care about the people like you and me 383 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:33.039 who were paying our taxes and have lived here for 384 00:24:33.079 --> 00:24:36.519 a long time. They are much more concerned about you 385 00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:40.400 know again the new folks who have arrived because they 386 00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:42.839 look at them as potential new voters, were kind of 387 00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:48.200 are onto their their activities. You know. Just ah, it's tough, 388 00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:51.799 it's it's a tough world. We find ourselves in Sandy, 389 00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:55.240 and we got to start voting some of these people out. 390 00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:56.240 It's as simple as that. 391 00:24:56.920 --> 00:25:00.480 And West Rock Spury used to be the go to places. 392 00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:04.200 What rocks to be back to, you would win. Now 393 00:25:04.279 --> 00:25:08.920 nobody wants Struck to be vote because can you see 394 00:25:08.920 --> 00:25:12.319 who publicans and they say why about other? So nobody 395 00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:13.319 want vote. 396 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:16.880 You see who West Roxby elects. I'm talking about that 397 00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:24.799 they erect They elected Kendra Laura the crash crash Kendra. Uh. 398 00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:28.720 That's unbelievable, unbelieved. But you know what, that's a story 399 00:25:28.759 --> 00:25:31.759 for another night. People if they don't if they don't 400 00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:36.720 participate in the political process, they only have themselves to blame. Sandy. 401 00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:37.680