Speaker 1: Welcome to the fourth hour of the Alex Jon Hum.
Speaker 2: Your guest host Jay Dyer of Jays Analysis. Today, we're
going to return to a subject that we've covered quite
a bit on the fourth hour, and that is the
history of dark esoteric occult groups and particularly the particularly
the occult groups online that engage in grooming, mind control, brainwashing.
They utilize occult esoteric ideas and philosophies to entrap really,
I would say, kind of damaged, weak, and usually young people.
And I brought on today with me someone who's in
a lot of great research in this field.
Speaker 1: I happened to notice.
Speaker 2: Her work when she was on a podcast that I
was on some months back. She goes by the handle
BX on Twitter, and she recently put out a four
part series that we're going to kick it off with,
and then we'll get into the recent shooting with the
rough Now character and what her insights were on that.
Speaker 1: But welcome, b X.
Speaker 2: Why don't you tell us first and foremost what this
whole idea of accelerationism is. I think a lot of
people in this audience probably have not heard of that yet,
and that's something that you've been focusing on.
Speaker 1: What is it. Why is it something that we need
to be concerned with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so a lot of people get confused when you
say accelerationism because they think you're talking about like the
tech tech pro stuff. But really, what we're talking about
when we talk about accelerationism in terms of like this
new domestic terrorism landscape, it's a doctrine or set of
tactics that people are using to facilitate the accelerate the
collapse of Western tradition, a Western society. It's a form
of terrorism, and the idea is basically that by going
out and provoking terror attacks, by provoking chaos, or by
inciting division and fighting within you know, different political factions
in the US, you can facilitate this this collapse, whether
it be a financial collapse or a civil war. And
this this kind of fantasy they live out is that
in the ashes of smoldering ashes of US, they will
rebird something that's unique to various different groups that utilize accelerationism,
be it you know, some kind of like extreme fascism
or you know, what have you. So it's really a
new type of domestic terrorism that's being used to provoke
and incite people, especially vulnerable people. Into committing terror attacks
by proxy for some of these groups.
Speaker 2: Right, I remember hearing about this term on the in
the Internet domain maybe four years ago. It wasn't yet
seen as something significant to kind of take a notice
of to watch, and over time it's kind of evolved
into like you're talking about something beyond just this terminology
of the tech sphere. What are there any thinkers or
philosophers that are usually pointed to that are known that
were influencers on this ideology? Or is this spring directly
from some of the satanic groups that we'll talk about
her in a minute, like the org nine angles? Does
this is there like a philosopher a nihilist seems to
have a lot of connection with nihilism and sort of
the beauty of destruction and death and chaos as a
tool for rebirth.
Speaker 3: Well, it can definitely be traced back to like philosophers
like Julius Savola. That's actually one that that's really frequently,
you know, I guess boosted up in these communities like
they want you to read these kind of old old
philosophy books about collapse. Obviously, Siege, James Mason Siege is
a big part of it. That's more of like a
newer version of acceleration accelerationism that focuses on more like
decentralized networks and the importance of decentralized networks. And that's
actually brilliant, evil brilliant, but brilliant in the sense that
without a serious organizational structure, law enforcement is constantly having
to fight to keep up with these guys. So that's
definitely been something that transformed the terrorism landscape as well
as far as recently, you know, to identify this the
way accelerationism as a theory is being exploited.
Speaker 4: By bad actors, you know.
Speaker 3: Give I have to give all the credit to this
military analyst Jade Parker, who I stumbled upon a year
year and a half ago.
Speaker 4: That really kind of you know, and I've.
Speaker 3: Had a lot of people watch my video about Dade
Parker and me finding all of this and tell me, like,
you know this, I kind of saw the pieces and
I kind of understood, but that just really like put
it all together and I finally understood what was going on.
So I credit her work for really bringing that to
the public attention as it exists today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to talk about that in a minute.
Speaker 2: I want to get into some of the issues around
the MKU that you talked about. I want to talk
about order not angles. But before we get to that,
we do have a brief break. This is the Alex
Jones Show. I'm Your Guest host Jay Dier. Jason also
will be right back.
Speaker 1: Don't go Anywhere.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the fourth Howard of the Alex Jones Show.
I'm Your Guest host Ja. We're talking about the history
of Satanic cults groups that are now online utilizing telegram.
Groups use it was called terror Gram and other outlets
such as discord to lure in unwinning Patsy's dupes and
really use them to commit really outrageous actions, actions of terror.
And why would they do this, Well, believe it or not,
there's actually a kind of making your bones initiation process
that's involved in this, and they really look for really weak,
susceptible people that they can utilize for this. And then
the inner group, the people that are really sort of
handling in the provocateurs. They never really get caught. So
I want to go to that next because b X
is with us and she's done a lot of great
research on this. She was mentioning the woman that kind
of tipped her to this tipped her off to this.
Her name was Jade, and Jade was somebody who was
doing a military related research on counter terrorism and came
across this idea, the accelerationist ideology being used amongst some
of these networks and groups too prompt people to do
some pretty heinous actions. And then there was kind of
a side drama that she encountered with this Jade figure,
Do you want to talk about some of that?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Sure.
Speaker 3: So basically, when I came across Jade, it's because I
was already kind of familiar with what was going on.
I kind of already figured out that, like, for example,
mass shootings weren't lone wolf actors, like we thought that
there were actually people talking to these kids on.
Speaker 4: Telegram and on discord.
Speaker 3: And so I was chasing around lead trying to figure
out who these people were. I wanted to know who
they were, and I found myself, interestingly enough, in the
in cell community. This is the involuntarily celibate community, which
is these socially rejected young men who think they'll never
be able to find a girlfriend and they're mad about it, right,
And I noticed that they were being kind of funneled
into this echo chamber forum where this website where they
were just being radicalized against society right, and nihilism is
a big part of this, so like you know, making
it hopeless to them. And then I noticed that there
were people there who were provoking specifically to violence, and
this kind of matched what I was looking for. And
so that's when I got in contact with a woman
who did a podcast about in cells and she told
me that my theories that I was telling her were
almost identical to her friend Jade's. And it wasn't until
some time later that I ended up trying to find
Jane find Jade, and then I came to find that
Jade was missing and nobody had heard from her several months,
and that she had put what she called a dead
man switch online and kind of hit it.
Speaker 4: We had to kind of dig to find it.
Speaker 3: But the dead man switch, so that she called it,
really outlined how she had come up with this idea
of militant accelerationism that we are talking about right now,
and how the academics in her circle wanted to steal
that idea from her and kind of distort it and
not give her any credit and then after that, yeah,
she she went missing.
Speaker 2: So but now you had you have this idea that
you're running with, not in a bad way, I mean
you have her research kind of solidifying some of the
theories about people like Robert Krimo, the shooter from a
while back, and he put up a manifesto. You seem
to have decoded this in terms of the cryptography that
he was using this cinigraphic approach right.
Speaker 3: Well that now the manifesto itself is actually like a
book of numbers, and we he had developed in what
we call an alternate reality game. And we no longer
think that that was directly related to the shooting. We
think that he put that together sometime before the shooting
as part of his like music promotion. But we have
still kind of been obsessed with decoding it. No one's
decoded it yet. It's tricky.
Speaker 2: But was with was connect to some of these ideas
and some of these groups accelerationism, et cetera.
Speaker 3: There were some unusual people that he had contact with
online prior to the shooting, and even his family had
said to me that, you know, they noticed a change
in his behavior around the time he started talking to
these individuals. And some of these individuals, he even flew
around the country to visit, and there's pictures of him
shooting guns with some.
Speaker 4: Of these people.
Speaker 3: The people who he was in contact with, though, came
from a gore website, which is another very another common
theme that you're going to see is that these guys
are getting involved in certain fringe online communities that either
glorify violence or desensitize you to violence, and somehow from
there they get in you know, kind of I would say, brainwashed,
you know, brainwashed into believing that they need to go
commit some kind of large scale attack in order to
facilitate whatever it is that they're being groomed to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen similar patterns with I've studied a lot
of like sexually based cults, and what they will do
is sort of find people with certain proclivities, kind of
bring them in and like in a sort of a
grooming process, and then you get them with the blackmail
and then you've sort of owned these people, right, And
we've seen this with high profile people with even Epstein
type stuff, which wasn't necessarily a cult, but kind of
ran on the same program of luring people in with
their you know, with their vices, so vices can become
a lure by which more cunning people can control other
less sophisticated, less cunning people. And these these online networks
are really I think are really they're they're prime for that.
I can also remember, and I want to ask you
about this because this touches on the David Mayatt stuff
that we'll get to here in a second. But I
remember some years ago I was studying a lot of
Islamic terror and how the cells worked, and there's a
lot of patterns.
Speaker 1: That are common there.
Speaker 2: I know that one of the m KU guys that
you highlighted will he puts out some information where he
sees Mujahadeen as a model for how he would engage
in poisoning and other actions of terror that they promoted
out of the Ukraine, this other group.
Speaker 1: But did you notice any patterns with the way.
Speaker 2: That provocateurs and handlers, for example, in some of the
cases of Islamic cell networks. And I'm not at all
pro Islam, I'm a big critic of Islam, but there
have been cases, many cases where the establishment of the FBI,
perhaps the CIA and other countries, they utilize these terror
groups and networks, and they have a there's a structure,
a pattern to where the handler becomes a kind of
a father figure. They sort of groom them and get
them to do these actions through a lot of just
really psychological manipulation. Do you see a pattern with what
happens with these groups where you know, you've got lonely
young men especially that are being roomed into these kinds
of actions through a provocateur.
Speaker 4: It's a mish mash.
Speaker 3: I mean, like if you go to the in cell
form you can see that which you're describing a lot
more directly, which is like really black. It's called the
black pill for a reason. They're trying to convince these
kids that there's no solution. They like society has failed
and women have failed them. They're never going to get
a girlfriend, there's no point in even trying. And at
this point, then once they're at rock bottom, then they're
primed for these people to come in and say, you
know what, you might as well if you don't kill yourself,
you might as well just go out and be a martyr.
You might as well just go out and make a change,
make waves, right, Like you know, once the or they'll
come out and say you need to go attack a
power grid, because once the US infrastructure collapses, you'll have
all the women you want to rape just running around
the street scared like it's ridiculous, right, But you can
understand that the people who are falling for this, they've
already just been taken down to the bottom of the
barrel so that they feel like there's no other way out.
So that's one thing I see you mentioned compromise, and
I've also seen them use that basically say and you know,
if you want to prove yourself for our group, this
is more along the lines of like seven six four
and NLM stuff or the MKU cult that you were
talking about. You know, if you want to be part
of our cult, then you have to go and video
yourself committing an act of terror, and if you don't
do that, you can't be part of our group. Or
you have people basically saying, you know, using using people's
dirty laundry to try to try to get them to.
Speaker 4: Do it any way they can, they will.
Speaker 3: I would say that it's what I'm seeing is a
lot less sophisticated than what I expected to see, which.
Speaker 4: Is what you're describing.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 4: I was you know, really expecting.
Speaker 3: To see some real sophisticated brainwashing, but really it's a
lot more stochastic in nature, where they're throwing out a
wide net, finding the person I think is vulnerable, and
then figuring out how they can coerce that person to
go do that act.
Speaker 2: And some of the specific entities that we're talking about here.
For example, one of the things that you highlighted was
the process of infiltration of some of these groups.
Speaker 1: And it's not all Feds, it's not all intelligence operatives
like you said, it's there's people who really are into it,
who just do it kind of on their own. There
are provocateurs, But in a.
Speaker 2: Couple of the videos that you put up, you highlighted
the apparent winking of the eye or ignoring the actual
people who seem to be really heavily pushing stuff in
some of these forums, and they.
Speaker 1: Were actually going after the sort of low level people.
Is what's your explanation of that?
Speaker 2: Is that because there's some level of systemic promotion of
these things, or what.
Speaker 1: Do you make of that?
Speaker 3: Actually, I think that it has a much more innocent explanation,
being now that I've seen all of this for so
long and I've read, I've been in I mean, I've
seen so many arrests so far, Like it's crazy to
see like the person that we're like, this is him
a provocateur, we're researching him, right, and then he gets
busted and goes like butcher did that you're talking about?
From Mku michale Chi kick Kishvili to me was like, wow,
they did arrest them.
Speaker 4: They arrested this guy.
Speaker 3: And the reason that it took so long, partially is
because they are anonymous individuals online and it's really kind
of hard to find who some of these people are
when they're using like tour and VPN and fake identities.
And then you have the added challenge that this guy's
in Moldova, he's in he's in Georgia, the country, he's
in Serbia. You know, these people are in Ukraine, Like
how do we get to these people? It's very there's
a challenge being that a lot of them are international
as well, and then if they're American, a lot of
times the problem becomes and I'm I'm kind of on
the fence about what this problem called this a problem,
but you know, there's a very very high bar that
you have to meet for people who aren't actually committing
violence right to to to get.
Speaker 4: Them on charges of like inciting violence.
Speaker 3: It's a very high bar, so the the the I
guess the level of free speech, you know, you have
to overcome a specific requirement to kind of meet that.
Speaker 4: And I think that what we're seeing is that.
Speaker 3: Also, I think we were early when we were noticing
and identifying this stuff. I don't think that even the
I mean, I'm sure the FEDS had noticed it in
some I knew. I'm sure they knew about it, right,
but they hadn't actually really started moving on it.
Speaker 4: We've seen about three.
Speaker 3: Or four arrests now with people who I would consider
shadowy provocateurs. And as much as like when I started
this research, I expected them to be like FEDS or
like CIA contractor dudes like scruffed up murder. They're scrawny
little geeks who look like they've honestly never left their house.
They look like they've spent the last five years behind
a computer, and some of them were very young, and
it's just mind blowing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but one thing that's interesting, though, is
that you did you mentioned that in the case of
the power grid, you know, that's something that the establishment
has been warning was coming for a good while. And
of course they said, oh, it's going to be a
Trump supporter that's going to go and take out the
power grid because Trump works with Russia, all of which
I think was politicized nonsense. I don't think that's really
the case, but you did highlight that, you mentioned that
one of the videos, which suggests that there is some
level of politicization of a lot of this to make
it seem like there's all these white supremacists that are
running crazy, but in actuality, the Nazi element is actually
co opted and sort of blended with a really hardcore
satanic philosophy which I want to get to now, which
comes out of this order of non angle philosopher.
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, you're right, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: So there's the reality and then there's how the reality
is construed after the fact. And what what we were
seeing was that, like, for example, with Jade Parker's academic colleagues,
they were the ones who were really pushing this like
far right extremism angle. And you know, for me, I've
always been like, well, this isn't far right at all,
Like this is far left, Like these people are like
national socialists, like these people are you know, a lot
of them are very or anarchists, Like this is like
saying far right is very sneaky term that's intentionally used
to kind of get people thinking that this is like conservative,
like a conservative phenomenon, when it's not.
Speaker 4: This is just extremism.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, of course they're going to take that
and twist it and politicize it even that, you know,
the FBI and the FEDS and stuff have a tendency
to kind of make it seem more like it's far
right extremists. And I'm hoping that that's going to change
soon as more facts start coming out and people start
paying attention to this, Like seven sixty four in LM,
I mean, these are foreign actors from Eastern Europe. You
know that this is these are foreign terrorists. This isn't
even something that's a lot of times it's not even domestics.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm.
Speaker 3: Hoping I have high hopes that we're going to see
some changes here soon.
Speaker 2: What if you think about a lot of people don't
know this unless you get really deep into political philosophy,
but a lot of the far left groups and actually
far far right groups they actually meet, They come all
the way around and meet because, for example, in the
case of in one of your videos, you mentioned that
some of these groups promote esoteric Hitlerism. This is people
like Submetri Davey who are adjacent to the perennialists like
Julius Evola, and the concern for radical ecology, the return
of nature worship. These are some of the ideas involved
in some of that radical quote far right, getting rid
of the existing system through revolutionary means, getting rid of
the Federal Reserve, all those things are kind of tied
into quote far right, but they also overlap on some
of those points with far far left ecology. You know
that it exists the revolutionary ethos that that needs to
be this cleansing. And as I watched your documentaries, I
noticed in how many cases you could see people far right,
nihilists and far left both agreeing on the need for
destroying the existing system, a cleansing, which would be some
sort of spiritual, satanic new era that would come in.
And that's the religious ethos that's tacked onto this stuff.
And that's why, for example, they talked about well martyrdom.
If you're a you know, lonely insel. Why not become
a martyr making name for yourself. And I just thought
that was fascinating because in a lot of these systems
that are being promoted these ideas, it's very religious. Maybe
not overtly, but they're utilizing the idea of religious philosophy.
So tell us about the Order of Nine Angles and
what this this guy actually does have a history of
being a fed that David Maya character. Tell us about
him in the Order of Nine Angles and how they
co opted and sort of tweaked this satanic religious philosophy.
Speaker 3: It's super fascinating and kind of what you just explained
is accelerationism. The way that these this far left and
the far right and all these weird you know, satanic
wackos all meets on this concept of collapse, and so
they can use each other and they can work with
each other without agreeing with each other ideologically. And I
think that's really important to note as far as the
Order of Nine Angles goes. So David Maya himself, you know,
he's British. I don't know that he has He definitely
was involved in some sketchy operation Gladio Area era like
ops around neo fascism back in like the seventies and eighties.
Speaker 4: He started this.
Speaker 3: Well, everybody, this is an interesting cult, okay, because there's
a lot of questions around how it actually arose and
who started it, and you really don't have much to
go buy except for David Meyatt's word on a lot of.
Speaker 4: It, unfortunately.
Speaker 3: But if you're listening to what the traditional agreement is,
it's that David Meyatt started this cult. He was a
longtime national socialist. He was involved in a lot of
Gladio Area era neo fascist groups like Column eighty eight
and those kinds of things, and then he basically decided
to get into esoteric occultism and he joined a very
fringe cult in the UK, and then I think what
happened is that that person ended up leaving and he
took over it and he geared his cult towards national
socialism and collapse. But the way he wanted to do
that was by creating this Praxis philosophy around this new
Eonic era of you know, aryan an Aryan imperium, where
like basically only the fittest Aryans would survive the collapse
and then they would go on to colonize the Milky Way,
because of course, of course they would. Of course there's
like an apocalyptic death cult vibe to this, because it
was the seventies, you know, and so that he actually
built this whole love crafty and cult. I mean, it's
really similar to scientology in this sheer amount of like
literature that.
Speaker 4: He published on this very very prolific.
Speaker 3: And so the idea behind the cult was you started
in the cult and then you infiltrated various organizations and
tried to divert them to you know, to push national
socialist ideology. And if you're listening to what Miyatt believes,
he thought that this was the best way to kind
of get national socialism in a position where it could
actually win. He didn't think that there was any hope
for the national socialist movement at the time. And so
you know, by going and subverting and doing sinister acts
which include you know, murdering people, which they call culling,
you know, this is this is these are the ways
that we're going to basically in the Judaeo Christian era
of civilization and start a new sinister eon of evil
where they would be the rulers of the galaxy.
Speaker 4: That's Order of Nine Angles.
Speaker 3: Uh, it's evolved over time to include people from all
over the world. There's plenty of different Nexians that have
come out. Some of them have feuded, some of them
don't like to be called Order of nine Angles anymore.
Mayat himself seems to and I've used this term a lot,
but to me, I've talked to him multiple times, and
to me, he just seems like an old.
Speaker 4: Man full of regret. Uh.
Speaker 3: He desperately tries to separate his group, the Order nine
Angles from the child abuse components that came later, even
though it seems kind of self evident that, you know,
a religion based around doing the most evil stuff imaginable
to collapse society would eventually give rise to some of
the stuff we're seeing, like the seven six four network.
Speaker 4: So that's that's kind of what happened.
Speaker 2: You mentioned your video that there was a connection between
him and the FBI.
Speaker 1: Is that is that the case?
Speaker 3: So that's so you're talking about Joshua Sutter. Joshua Sutter
was the creator of a Nexsian called Temple of Blood.
That Nexian was eventually disavowed by David Mayatt, and that's
the one, Joshua Sutter is the one who wrote all
of these disgusting books about child sexual abuse and basically
turned that into like a mainstream like a tenet of
the Temple of Blood, now the Temple of Blood.
Speaker 4: It ended up theill Sutter under Temple of.
Speaker 3: Blood, you know, affiliation infiltrated Adam waff and division.
Speaker 4: And so that's how we found out.
Speaker 3: That he was a federal informant because during the the
trials of the Adam Waffen guys, they tried to put
this forward as like a biased case because they had
shown that the person who had tipped everybody off was
an informant who also ran a rival sect of Satanic
you know, Neo Nazis, and that person was easily identified
from the criminal complaint as being Joshua Sutter. So he
got outed, and that was really really impactful because like, now, honestly,
the FBI, the dj really need to address why this
person was allowed to form and give information to law
enforcement while also pushing this kind of ideology is very concerning.
Speaker 2: Well, and I mean your video mentioned that the FBI.
You put up an image of a article was talking
about the FBI funding was it his book publishing or
the neo Nazi a cult book publisher.
Speaker 4: So here's what that's kind of misleading.
Speaker 3: I think that what I've put together is that he
was paid as to be an informant, So he was
paid for, like I guess how. I don't know how
they do it, like for the rest that he made, right,
Like he was paid for like how success work was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 3: But and it just so happened that during that time
he was also publishing these books.
Speaker 4: So yeah, technically, if the FBI.
Speaker 3: Was paying him and he was using that money to
put out books, whether the FBI knew about that or not,
is you know so? But regardless, it's an ethical quandary
right right on.
Speaker 1: One more question on Mike before we go to break.
I know, if I recall.
Speaker 2: Reading about him, he also kind of moved into radical
Islamic philosophy for a while.
Speaker 1: Is that true?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was back I think you're probably the nineties
or so. I'm not sure exactly, but you know, that's
a great example of an insight role, which is what
these guys call it when they infiltrate some kind of
different organization and try to subvert it from within and
gain experience for themselves.
Speaker 1: All right, this is the Aux Genhn Show. We're here
with BX. Do not go anywhere.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back covering cults and brainwashing. Welcome back
to the fourth hour of the Aux Gentle Show. Today
we're talking with BX, online researcher and a journalist investigator.
Speaker 1: You can follow her over on Twitter.
Speaker 2: And I think on YouTube, and we're talking about the
different online cults and networks that are used to groom
people into outrageous actions and some of the ideologies that.
Speaker 1: These groups are promoting.
Speaker 2: I want to move on next to the group that
she's highlighted called seven sixty four, and then I want
to talk about the maniac murder called what a seven
sixty four? And what perhaps have they influenced what recent
Internet figures. Perhaps this Spitz character who was making the
rounds on Twitter was how was he influenced by the
seven sixty four?
Speaker 1: And what is that?
Speaker 3: Seven sixty four is a child exploitation and extortion network.
It's a group of individuals who they really just abuse, sexually, abused,
and otherwise extort and harm children. That's their focus. It's
part of a broader community online known as Calm which
is just a network of cyber criminals. The people who
were found to be swatting figures like Timpoole and Marjorie
Taylor Green were connected to this calm network.
Speaker 4: In fact, almost all.
Speaker 3: Of the doxing and swatting and school fake bomb threats
and school shooting hoaxes are coming from this group.
Speaker 4: It's a very serious problem.
Speaker 3: So stemming off of that, you know that this group
of really just nasty kids on it seems that at
some point they were I wouldn't say infiltrated, but I
would say influenced by some of this satanic ideology that
we've been covering, and that made its way into a
spinoff group called seven six four, which was focused on,
you know, satanic imagery, getting kids to self harm on camera,
carve their abusers' names into their bodies, and paint satanic
imagery on the walls with blood, really shocking stuff.
Speaker 4: They would use sexual content they would get.
Speaker 3: From the kids to extort them and force them to
do more and more egregious things on camera, including killing
their pets and up to an including committing suicide on camera.
It's really, when I say this, very like I've investigated
a lot of crazy stuff. This is the most evil
thing that you can imagine happening. It is, it is,
It is so some of the people who've been arrested
in these cases are getting nailed to the wall, thankfully,
Like the justice system is seeing that the evilness of
the evil nature of their crimes goes past beyond what
our legal system can code, right, like when you get
charged with production and distribution of child pornography, Like this
is the most extreme example that you could really have.
And all of it's happening online for the most part.
Speaker 2: Are these groups are they having a wide amount of
influence or are they very niche? Is this again, does
it overlap like with the insul forums or is this
something more video game gamer influenced. And a number of
you called out a lot of perhaps Minecraft groups that
were being used to recruit kids really for this kind
of stuff?
Speaker 1: Is that accurate?
Speaker 4: They recruit kids from all different areas of the Internet.
Speaker 3: One of the biggest ones that's been highlighted the most
is the rope Blocks and Minecraft communities where they would
make rope blocks characters with swastikas all over them and
a shirt that said CP lover, and they would go
and invite kids to discord servers, and then in the
discord server they would basically just be exposing the kids
to child sexual abuse, material, gore, and things of that
nature to just kind of desensitize them and honestly recruit
them into the group not just to abuse them, but
to create new abusers. It's almost like a you know,
like recruiting people. And then as far as the victim pools,
they came from a lot of different areas as well,
like eating disorder communities and self harm suicide forums and
places where they knew that they would find teens that
were at their lowest that they could exploit. And so
that's kind of all of that came together into some
of the most horrific imagery I can imagine being subjected to.
I've seen stuff from this group that's just beyond comprehension.
Speaker 2: And there was a recent clip going around that was
kind of out of context of a guy named Spitz
who had was on the receiving end of a gunshot
from his stepdad, and people thought that this was a
sort of a just a crazy step dad, but it
turns out there was a reason why the stepdad was
engaging in this action. And this brawl they had that
was because this kid apparently was involved in one of
these seven six four grips.
Speaker 3: Correct, yeah, Kyle spitz Man, what a crazy viral plot twist, right.
So I saw this video of him getting clipped in
the ear by a bullet, and I, just like everybody else,
I was like, that's a wild video.
Speaker 4: What is happening here?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: There's no context, and everybody mostly was just calling the
step dad crazy. But then that so at this time,
when that video came out in January, I had already
been researching seven sixty four for a bit. I already
knew of their existence and had been trying, you know,
kind of following and starting to research how it came
to be.
Speaker 4: So I was it was already on my radar.
Speaker 3: And then in that when that video came out, I
started seeing the comments. People were victims were trying to
get attention to themselves, saying that this guy was part
of seven six four.
Speaker 4: So to me, I was like, whoa, you know, here
we go.
Speaker 3: And I was able to find him and find a
telegram channel and find all of his friends and map
out their network within a couple of days, and I
was able. That was About a week later after that
video when viral is when his mother died and he
posted a video of himself with her dead body on
telegram and it was just so crazy.
Speaker 4: It was so crazy.
Speaker 3: So then the victims kind of asked me if I
could make a tweet about it because they were tired
of him, Like in Law on Crime YouTube channel had
like interviewed Kyle Spitz like, oh, we're so happy you're okay,
and like, I'm like, man, that's crazy, Like, you know,
I'd be mad if I were a victim too. So
I put this tweet out telling them like, don't expect
much because I'm really a nobody. And then the tweet
blew up because people were like, oh my god, this
is an insane plot twist.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: It turns out that the kid who got shot was
one of the most evil people imaginable. Now, I don't
think the stepdad was necessarily much better. I mean, I
think the whole family was just like a lost cause, Okay,
they were all bad. However, I think that that was
really what got people kind of drawn in, and from
there we were able to kind of start spreading awareness
about this group that had really gone under recognized. A
lot of people didn't know it existed, and to me,
it was really important to start warning parents warning people
about this because these people are preying on your kids
everywhere on the internet, and every parent needs to be
aware of this group and what they're doing.
Speaker 2: Now in the case of other online groups, the next
one I want to move to is you highlighted the
MKU then, or what's called MMC Maniac murder Cult. And
this was originally a Ukrainian far right connected neo Nazi
group that was then taken over by a Georgian character,
and they were also utilizing Minecraft to try to recruit
people to do this.
Speaker 1: How does this relate to seven sixty four and or
the nine A.
Speaker 3: So I have a theory about it that's been increasingly
validating itself as time goes on. But what it seems
to me like what happened is so the MKU is
a Ukrainian based neo Nazi satanic cult of serial killers
fun stuff. There was a person named Igor Krasnov who
had taken inspiration from these people who'd gone on this
like famous murders free with Hammers, right, And this guy,
Igor Krasnov was just an insane person. He started this
kind of cult, and we saw evidence that Igor was
also into nine A and into the Satanic ideologies.
Speaker 4: Now you got.
Speaker 3: Arrested because he had had Russian nationals committing terror attacks
in Russia. So the Russian government put out information that
you know, hey, these guys are terrorists, these guys are
a Neo.
Speaker 4: Nazi Satanic cult.
Speaker 3: And it's funny is the American media back then when
this happened, We're like, that's Russian disinformation and stuff, right,
But then all these years later, this year, actually his successor,
whose name was Butcher, was arrested for you know, provoking
terror attacks against the US and he was planning some
really sick stuff. So now those same news outlets were
being forced to basically admit that this is real. There
is a Ukrainian Neo Nazi Satanist cult. So in terms
of how they got involved with seven to six four,
my theory is that they saw this as a group
they could infiltrate and get people to do evil stuff,
because obviously they can, right, they're already doing the most
evil stuff imaginable. And so I think what happened is
that MKU came into seven sixty four and they tried
to create a spin off group called NLM, which stands
for No Lives Matter, and that group was like, hey,
we're not going to focus on child exploitation or extortion.
We're going to focus on real life actions terror attacks.
To be one of us, you have to go commit
a mass stabbing, a mass shooting on camera, right. And
so I think that that's how MK you merged with
seven six four is that they saw them as a
proxy terrrispool of patsies right to go dou stuff on
their behalf.
Speaker 2: Well, and also, I know you didn't focus on this
angle of it, but if you go back to Gladio
and you mentioned Maya being involved in column eighty eight,
now the whole history of Gladio is really bound up
with OSS and CIA people setting up these cell networks.
David Williams argues that it was a Kissinger that was
running most of the at least the Italian stuff off
with Gladio, where the whole government was basically being run
ya the P two lodge, which was Masonic neo fascists,
which sounds contradictory, but there actually were Italian lodges that
were neo fascists that supported Mussolini I'm curious because there's
also a long history that connects CIA operations to some
of these groups in the Ukraine, particularly with the Galen
org and the history of Galen's network being brought into
Western intelligence when the.
Speaker 1: Nazis lost through Dallas and others.
Speaker 2: So I'm curious, is there any connection you think between
any of those people and the groups in Ukraine that
you're talking about and Western intelligence or other intelligence networks.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't personally know, but however, it's really
hard to look at these groups and not see Gladio.
Speaker 4: Era ops, right.
Speaker 3: I Mean, you look at this and you're like, Wow,
this really does seem like there's intelligence in community involvement.
Speaker 4: That wouldn't surprise me at all.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Granted I don't have any like any research to show
you this, but yeah, I mean, just given like the
history that you described and what we're seeing, it is
definitely a question that you could ask.
Speaker 2: So and now, in the case of moving through these
these figures, the Maniac Murder cult, they have promoted what
is known as the Hater's Handbook, and I'm guessing that
that's kind of been disseminated as a material that's influencing
some of these people too. It's kind of like tactics
right on how to do a lot of this stuff online.
Was this the handbook by the way, that I think
references mujah Haden techniques and utilizing them for this sort
of neo Nazi approach to terrorism. Is that the is
that the main thing that they produced that's sort of
really influencing people.
Speaker 3: The Hater's Handbook, So the muja Hadeen's Poison Handbook. I
don't know if you just had that like separately, but
but the Hater's Handbook is what I would consider a
a terrorism manual.
Speaker 4: It is an.
Speaker 3: Instructional guide on how to commit terrorism.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: It includes mass shootings, mass stabbings, truck rammings, poisoning.
Speaker 4: How to how to make rising, how to make bombs.
Speaker 2: Did you see that what's happens there's a massive truck
attack in Germany?
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, I just know I have to look at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know that connect to this.
Speaker 3: I'm just just just honestly, it seems like all of
them do now Lately, every since I started looking into this,
like honestly, almost every attack like this has been somehow
linked to not not necessarily just the mku but to
this festering accelerationism doctrine. Right, But but the Hater's handbook
itself that does have like recipes for ricing, recipes for bombs,
and it's also got a heavy satanic element, Like it's
basically like, here's why we're connecting national socialism and satanism,
and it's just an explanation of why we're doing it.
And then it's a push for genocide like you were
talking about at the beginning, right, that this this idea
that in order to accelerate the new eon, we have
to genocide all of the scum, and it pushes nihilism
and it pushes misanthropy, just the hatred of humans.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And so anytime that I'm seeing this now pop up
and manifestos, right, the word scum, the word you know,
just hatred of humans. I hate my fellow man, and
therefore all of them are scum and therefore it's justified
for me to go kill them because it's the right
thing to do for evolution. Now, that to me is
like boom, that that stands out as this kind of
ideology of collapse and not just the accelerationist ideal ideology
of collapse, but also this specific idea that you need
to go out and genocide people, specifically racial minorities, and
you know other other groups that they target in order
to facilitate this, like ethnic cleansing or this, you know,
just mask aside. So that's what I've been seeing come
out a lot, including from the recent mass shooter from
earlier this week. She had all of those she checked
those boxes. She was connected to some of these groups
that I would consider to be you know, seven six, four.
Speaker 4: O nine A and MKU influenced.
Speaker 2: Now, when you say connected, in her case, she was
referencing other mass shooters that she saw as sort of.
Speaker 1: Saints, people to be emulated. Uh, it was cast if
the you.
Speaker 2: Know, assuming that the manifesto, her rambling there four or
five pages of rambling, was was authentic, you think that
seemed to think that that is legitimately her writing.
Speaker 1: Do you think that that's.
Speaker 2: The main element of the influence is ideological or do
you think she was like interacting with certain specific individuals.
Speaker 3: It's very interesting. I don't know, however, I could definitely
see either being the case. I could see her being
having been groomed by a bad actor and indoctrinated and provoked.
I could also see, especially considering her involvement in that
what'll we call the TCC community, which is this mass
shooter fan based community where they just like they actually
you know, it's it's usually teens who are in a
really bad spot. A lot of them are committing mass
shootings of their own, planning mass shootings of their own.
It's a really, really scary and serious little group of
people online. And this is the first time that I've
seen that group. These are the ones that are making
call and buying music, edits with music, and you know,
so this is the first time that I've seen that
kind of group overlap with what we've been talking about.
And that's really concerning because again, this is a group
of people that these guys know they can infiltrate and
push to violence, and so of course they're going to
do that. This is expected now as far as her
influence goes. In the manifesto, she had said her inspiration
came from a mass stab or in Turkey. This happened
back in August, and it didn't really make waves in
the US because it happened in Turkey. But this kid
was directly influenced by Mku. In fact, he had written
a manifesto of his own that was basically a carbon
copy of the Hater's handbook that he had just kind
of rewritten in Turkish. And so her shouting that guy
out as her inspiration means that, you know, if she
wasn't directly groomed by somebody related to that group, that
she was a copycat, which is even kind of more scary,
right to think that now that they've put these people
out here to commit these attacks, Now we've got other
people looking up to those people as martyrs and trying
to copycat them, and it becomes kind of like a
virality thing, which is very concerning and.
Speaker 2: Didn't roup now in her suppose that manifesto, she speaks
of it as revolution, she speaks of humans as scum.
It's a lot of the same terminology and linguistic usage
that wasn't their kind of martyr language. I'm going for
a memory. I read it a few nights ago, but
she speaks of well, yeah, why not just do this
as some kind of you know, action, And.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she said, I don't know, she called them martyrs.
She definitely used the word scum. Which stood out to me.
She also said, like, you know, why would I commit
suicide when I could do something to move evolution forward
by killing these people who are scum and less than human.
And you know that's that that's that idea of misanthropy
and this idea that that we need, you know, you
need to go kill off and and you know it's
not just even though it is there is a neo
Nazi opponent. I mean it is based around like racial
minorities and stuff as well, but it's also based around
Judeo Christian you know, people who are Christian or Jewish,
they don't want that they're Satanists. They're Satanic, like they
want a Satanic rule. So this is a really scary
network of people who are targeting pretty much anyone who's
not an Aryan Satanist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a back in uh it's probably composed
around maybe twenty ten or eleven. There was a large
It was a long eulogy that a supposed prominent Australian
Satanist wrote about what to expect in the next few years,
particularly the next few decades. And I've always thought it
was authentic, precisely because of you've read a lot of
that literature. You know, how these people think and how
they speak. It does come off as as somebody who
was serious about their Satanism. And the full eulogy is
about twenty pages if you find a lot of the
versions that you find online are sort of redacted. But
the reason I bring it up is that it actually
matches up to a lot of what you're talking about,
where you have this promise of a new aon that's coming,
and they see the ritual actions that they engage in
as literal original actions that are helping to bring about
that new age, and they say the only people that
should survive are the really the you know, serious committed
Satanists of the future.
Speaker 1: Everyone else has to be cleansed.
Speaker 2: And this report, yeah a very wealthy, prominent so it's
not just like angry teenagers I think the teenagers are
used to do. I do think there are actually, you know, prominent,
wealthy people that believe this too.
Speaker 4: I'd really like to see that.
Speaker 3: If you could send that to me, I'd love I'd
love to check that out because you know, that sounds
very much like the O nine a practice which has
to do with calling of everybody who doesn't follow the
sinister practice.
Speaker 4: In other words, everyone who's not part of their cult
is getched in asided.
Speaker 3: Right, if you're not a nin er, you're gone during
the in this fantasy land where they call an iced
the Milky Way. So you know, so the but what's
crazy to me is that the influence, uh you know
of O nine A that has in the Satanist esoteric
Satanism that's leaked into the entire domestic terrorism landscape. Like
even you know as as you know RUP now had
referred to some mass shooters as saints. And that's the
terminology that comes from this group called terror Gram, which
is a telegram network of telegram channels. It's just like
violent extremists, right, and they specifically canonize these mass shooters
and they make calendars and like, oh, you want your
place on the calendar, you have to go shoot.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's crazy, it's absolutely insane.
Speaker 3: But it's crazy to me to see how the Satanic
influence has permeated all of these spaces. You cannot go
to a neo Nazi or neo fascist or accelerationist or
extremist telegram channel anymore without finding these people who are
pushing the satanic elements. It truly has just permeated every
extremist corner of the Internet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a I think Crowley did that too.
Speaker 2: Crowley was one of the first two come up with
a Satanic calendar saints, where he basically went through history
who he thought like the worst centers were, and like,
you get a place on the Croley calendar if you're
a great center.
Speaker 1: I know that the.
Speaker 2: Oco has I think a st calendar, I think, and
then the Gnostic caloc Church has their list of saints.
They're basically just kind of people that were counter establishment
or alchemists in the Middle Ages. But this is like
the Satanic version of that where you have you know, yeah,
it's a way to manipulate people to get recognition in
a very narcissistic way, kind of like how serial killers.
You know, they want the recognition that they're very much
you know, sluted narcissists, so they're playing that's.
Speaker 4: Also their roundfall, so exactly.
Speaker 3: You know. Luckily, a lot of these guys, especially in
the seven six four network, are obsessed with notoriety and fame.
And I don't know if you've noticed, but man, it
seems like every day now I'm reporting on a new arrest,
a new you know, some new news. They're falling like dominoes.
I think that it's just because I don't know what
happened at the federal level. Maybe they just decided this
is a pr nightmare and we need to start cleaning
these guys up. But there's definitely been a lot of
arrests recently of these guys, and I think, like you said,
their ego and their pride definitely leads leads to more
attention that can lead to their arrests. Like the threats
that they said, meet constantly. It's you know, you're just
bringing more attention to yourself.
Speaker 2: So rupt now had at least in that picture that
was going around a KMFDM shirt, which was supposed to
I think be a hat tip to Clive Bowlder Harris
who was wearing the KMFDM shirt. So I'm just wondering
if there is any connection if you've gone back into
the older you know, Columbine.
Speaker 1: I mean that's a while back, but do.
Speaker 2: You think any of those older era, early era school
shooters where they also influenced by any of these ideologies
back then.
Speaker 3: So it's more like the Columbine guys set like a precedent, right,
and so they're worshiped at a very much a higher
regard than the other you know, mass shooters that they glorify,
and then all the aesthetics that they use are seen
as like these aesthetics that are edgy and they're cool
and like you want to give nods to your inspiration,
and so it's less ideology based and more just like
they're obsessed with the aesthetics. These people are like ultimate
fans like it. Imagine them as like you know, like
you know, fans of like a band, right, We're obsessed
with Taylor Swift fans just insane, yes, but more evil,
you know, yeah, and you know, but they're but they're
adopting those aesthetics because that's what they what they embrace.
They embrace that whole uh, that scene of mass shooters,
and so you see them doing that a lot.
Speaker 4: It's very common.
Speaker 1: The account is b x on Twitter.
Speaker 2: You can find her, uh, I've got her uh shared
on my Twitter if you want to follow me as well.
Speaker 1: And what's your YouTube channel?
Speaker 3: Well, my YouTube keeps getting banned, but I'm one rumble
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