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Speaker 1: Welcome to the fourth hour of the Alex Jon Hum.

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Speaker 2: Your guest host Jay Dyer of Jays Analysis. Today, we're

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going to return to a subject that we've covered quite

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a bit on the fourth hour, and that is the

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history of dark esoteric occult groups and particularly the particularly

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the occult groups online that engage in grooming, mind control, brainwashing.

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They utilize occult esoteric ideas and philosophies to entrap really,

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I would say, kind of damaged, weak, and usually young people.

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And I brought on today with me someone who's in

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a lot of great research in this field.

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Speaker 1: I happened to notice.

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Speaker 2: Her work when she was on a podcast that I

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was on some months back. She goes by the handle

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BX on Twitter, and she recently put out a four

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part series that we're going to kick it off with,

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and then we'll get into the recent shooting with the

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rough Now character and what her insights were on that.

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Speaker 1: But welcome, b X.

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Speaker 2: Why don't you tell us first and foremost what this

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whole idea of accelerationism is. I think a lot of

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people in this audience probably have not heard of that yet,

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and that's something that you've been focusing on.

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Speaker 1: What is it. Why is it something that we need

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to be concerned with.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so a lot of people get confused when you

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say accelerationism because they think you're talking about like the

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tech tech pro stuff. But really, what we're talking about

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when we talk about accelerationism in terms of like this

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new domestic terrorism landscape, it's a doctrine or set of

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tactics that people are using to facilitate the accelerate the

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collapse of Western tradition, a Western society. It's a form

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of terrorism, and the idea is basically that by going

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out and provoking terror attacks, by provoking chaos, or by

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inciting division and fighting within you know, different political factions

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in the US, you can facilitate this this collapse, whether

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it be a financial collapse or a civil war. And

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this this kind of fantasy they live out is that

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in the ashes of smoldering ashes of US, they will

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rebird something that's unique to various different groups that utilize accelerationism,

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be it you know, some kind of like extreme fascism

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or you know, what have you. So it's really a

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new type of domestic terrorism that's being used to provoke

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and incite people, especially vulnerable people. Into committing terror attacks

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by proxy for some of these groups.

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Speaker 2: Right, I remember hearing about this term on the in

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the Internet domain maybe four years ago. It wasn't yet

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seen as something significant to kind of take a notice

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of to watch, and over time it's kind of evolved

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into like you're talking about something beyond just this terminology

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of the tech sphere. What are there any thinkers or

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philosophers that are usually pointed to that are known that

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were influencers on this ideology? Or is this spring directly

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from some of the satanic groups that we'll talk about

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her in a minute, like the org nine angles? Does

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this is there like a philosopher a nihilist seems to

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have a lot of connection with nihilism and sort of

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the beauty of destruction and death and chaos as a

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tool for rebirth.

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Speaker 3: Well, it can definitely be traced back to like philosophers

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like Julius Savola. That's actually one that that's really frequently,

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you know, I guess boosted up in these communities like

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they want you to read these kind of old old

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philosophy books about collapse. Obviously, Siege, James Mason Siege is

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a big part of it. That's more of like a

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newer version of acceleration accelerationism that focuses on more like

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decentralized networks and the importance of decentralized networks. And that's

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actually brilliant, evil brilliant, but brilliant in the sense that

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without a serious organizational structure, law enforcement is constantly having

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to fight to keep up with these guys. So that's

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definitely been something that transformed the terrorism landscape as well

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as far as recently, you know, to identify this the

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way accelerationism as a theory is being exploited.

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Speaker 4: By bad actors, you know.

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Speaker 3: Give I have to give all the credit to this

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military analyst Jade Parker, who I stumbled upon a year

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year and a half ago.

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Speaker 4: That really kind of you know, and I've.

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Speaker 3: Had a lot of people watch my video about Dade

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Parker and me finding all of this and tell me, like,

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you know this, I kind of saw the pieces and

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I kind of understood, but that just really like put

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it all together and I finally understood what was going on.

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So I credit her work for really bringing that to

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the public attention as it exists today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to talk about that in a minute.

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Speaker 2: I want to get into some of the issues around

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the MKU that you talked about. I want to talk

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about order not angles. But before we get to that,

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we do have a brief break. This is the Alex

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Jones Show. I'm Your Guest host Jay Dier. Jason also

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will be right back.

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Speaker 1: Don't go Anywhere.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the fourth Howard of the Alex Jones Show.

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I'm Your Guest host Ja. We're talking about the history

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of Satanic cults groups that are now online utilizing telegram.

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Groups use it was called terror Gram and other outlets

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such as discord to lure in unwinning Patsy's dupes and

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really use them to commit really outrageous actions, actions of terror.

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And why would they do this, Well, believe it or not,

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there's actually a kind of making your bones initiation process

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that's involved in this, and they really look for really weak,

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susceptible people that they can utilize for this. And then

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the inner group, the people that are really sort of

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handling in the provocateurs. They never really get caught. So

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I want to go to that next because b X

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is with us and she's done a lot of great

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research on this. She was mentioning the woman that kind

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of tipped her to this tipped her off to this.

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Her name was Jade, and Jade was somebody who was

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doing a military related research on counter terrorism and came

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across this idea, the accelerationist ideology being used amongst some

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of these networks and groups too prompt people to do

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some pretty heinous actions. And then there was kind of

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a side drama that she encountered with this Jade figure,

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Do you want to talk about some of that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Sure.

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Speaker 3: So basically, when I came across Jade, it's because I

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was already kind of familiar with what was going on.

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I kind of already figured out that, like, for example,

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mass shootings weren't lone wolf actors, like we thought that

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there were actually people talking to these kids on.

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Speaker 4: Telegram and on discord.

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Speaker 3: And so I was chasing around lead trying to figure

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out who these people were. I wanted to know who

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they were, and I found myself, interestingly enough, in the

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in cell community. This is the involuntarily celibate community, which

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is these socially rejected young men who think they'll never

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be able to find a girlfriend and they're mad about it, right,

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And I noticed that they were being kind of funneled

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into this echo chamber forum where this website where they

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were just being radicalized against society right, and nihilism is

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a big part of this, so like you know, making

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it hopeless to them. And then I noticed that there

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were people there who were provoking specifically to violence, and

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this kind of matched what I was looking for. And

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so that's when I got in contact with a woman

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who did a podcast about in cells and she told

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me that my theories that I was telling her were

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almost identical to her friend Jade's. And it wasn't until

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some time later that I ended up trying to find

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Jane find Jade, and then I came to find that

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Jade was missing and nobody had heard from her several months,

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and that she had put what she called a dead

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man switch online and kind of hit it.

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Speaker 4: We had to kind of dig to find it.

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Speaker 3: But the dead man switch, so that she called it,

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really outlined how she had come up with this idea

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of militant accelerationism that we are talking about right now,

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and how the academics in her circle wanted to steal

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that idea from her and kind of distort it and

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not give her any credit and then after that, yeah,

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she she went missing.

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Speaker 2: So but now you had you have this idea that

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you have her research kind of solidifying some of the

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theories about people like Robert Krimo, the shooter from a

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while back, and he put up a manifesto. You seem

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to have decoded this in terms of the cryptography that

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he was using this cinigraphic approach right.

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Speaker 3: Well that now the manifesto itself is actually like a

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book of numbers, and we he had developed in what

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we call an alternate reality game. And we no longer

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think that that was directly related to the shooting. We

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think that he put that together sometime before the shooting

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as part of his like music promotion. But we have

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still kind of been obsessed with decoding it. No one's

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decoded it yet. It's tricky.

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Speaker 2: But was with was connect to some of these ideas

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Speaker 3: There were some unusual people that he had contact with

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online prior to the shooting, and even his family had

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said to me that, you know, they noticed a change

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in his behavior around the time he started talking to

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these individuals. And some of these individuals, he even flew

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around the country to visit, and there's pictures of him

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shooting guns with some.

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Speaker 4: Of these people.

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Speaker 3: The people who he was in contact with, though, came

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from a gore website, which is another very another common

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theme that you're going to see is that these guys

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are getting involved in certain fringe online communities that either

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glorify violence or desensitize you to violence, and somehow from

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there they get in you know, kind of I would say, brainwashed,

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you know, brainwashed into believing that they need to go

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commit some kind of large scale attack in order to

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facilitate whatever it is that they're being groomed to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen similar patterns with I've studied a lot

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of like sexually based cults, and what they will do

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is sort of find people with certain proclivities, kind of

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bring them in and like in a sort of a

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grooming process, and then you get them with the blackmail

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and then you've sort of owned these people, right, And

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their you know, with their vices, so vices can become

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Speaker 1: That are common there.

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Speaker 2: I know that one of the m KU guys that

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you highlighted will he puts out some information where he

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sees Mujahadeen as a model for how he would engage

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in poisoning and other actions of terror that they promoted

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Speaker 1: But did you notice any patterns with the way.

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cases of Islamic cell networks. And I'm not at all

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pro Islam, I'm a big critic of Islam, but there

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have been cases, many cases where the establishment of the FBI,

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perhaps the CIA and other countries, they utilize these terror

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groups and networks, and they have a there's a structure,

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a pattern to where the handler becomes a kind of

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a father figure. They sort of groom them and get

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them to do these actions through a lot of just

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really psychological manipulation. Do you see a pattern with what

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happens with these groups where you know, you've got lonely

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young men especially that are being roomed into these kinds

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of actions through a provocateur.

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Speaker 4: It's a mish mash.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like if you go to the in cell

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more directly, which is like really black. It's called the

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black pill for a reason. They're trying to convince these

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kids that there's no solution. They like society has failed

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and women have failed them. They're never going to get

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a girlfriend, there's no point in even trying. And at

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this point, then once they're at rock bottom, then they're

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primed for these people to come in and say, you

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know what, you might as well if you don't kill yourself,

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you might as well just go out and be a martyr.

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make waves, right, Like you know, once the or they'll

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come out and say you need to go attack a

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power grid, because once the US infrastructure collapses, you'll have

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all the women you want to rape just running around

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the street scared like it's ridiculous, right, But you can

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understand that the people who are falling for this, they've

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already just been taken down to the bottom of the

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barrel so that they feel like there's no other way out.

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if you want to prove yourself for our group, this

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is more along the lines of like seven six four

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and NLM stuff or the MKU cult that you were

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talking about. You know, if you want to be part

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of our cult, then you have to go and video

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yourself committing an act of terror, and if you don't

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do that, you can't be part of our group. Or

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you have people basically saying, you know, using using people's

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dirty laundry to try to try to get them to.

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Speaker 4: Do it any way they can, they will.

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Speaker 3: I would say that it's what I'm seeing is a

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lot less sophisticated than what I expected to see, which.

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Speaker 4: Is what you're describing.

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Speaker 4: I was you know, really expecting.

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Speaker 3: To see some real sophisticated brainwashing, but really it's a

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lot more stochastic in nature, where they're throwing out a

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wide net, finding the person I think is vulnerable, and

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then figuring out how they can coerce that person to

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go do that act.

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Speaker 2: And some of the specific entities that we're talking about here.

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the process of infiltration of some of these groups.

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Speaker 1: And it's not all Feds, it's not all intelligence operatives

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like you said, it's there's people who really are into it,

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who just do it kind of on their own. There

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are provocateurs, But in a.

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Speaker 2: Couple of the videos that you put up, you highlighted

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the apparent winking of the eye or ignoring the actual

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people who seem to be really heavily pushing stuff in

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some of these forums, and they.

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Speaker 1: Were actually going after the sort of low level people.

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Is what's your explanation of that?

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Speaker 2: Is that because there's some level of systemic promotion of

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these things, or what.

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Speaker 1: Do you make of that?

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Speaker 3: Actually, I think that it has a much more innocent explanation,

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being now that I've seen all of this for so

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long and I've read, I've been in I mean, I've

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seen so many arrests so far, Like it's crazy to

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see like the person that we're like, this is him

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a provocateur, we're researching him, right, and then he gets

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busted and goes like butcher did that you're talking about?

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From Mku michale Chi kick Kishvili to me was like, wow,

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they did arrest them.

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Speaker 4: They arrested this guy.

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Speaker 3: And the reason that it took so long, partially is

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because they are anonymous individuals online and it's really kind

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of hard to find who some of these people are

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when they're using like tour and VPN and fake identities.

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in Moldova, he's in he's in Georgia, the country, he's

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in Serbia. You know, these people are in Ukraine, Like

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how do we get to these people? It's very there's

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a challenge being that a lot of them are international

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as well, and then if they're American, a lot of

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times the problem becomes and I'm I'm kind of on

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the fence about what this problem called this a problem,

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but you know, there's a very very high bar that

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you have to meet for people who aren't actually committing

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violence right to to to get.

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Speaker 4: Them on charges of like inciting violence.

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Speaker 3: It's a very high bar, so the the the I

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guess the level of free speech, you know, you have

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to overcome a specific requirement to kind of meet that.

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Speaker 4: And I think that what we're seeing is that.

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Speaker 3: Also, I think we were early when we were noticing

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and identifying this stuff. I don't think that even the

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I mean, I'm sure the FEDS had noticed it in

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some I knew. I'm sure they knew about it, right,

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but they hadn't actually really started moving on it.

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Speaker 4: We've seen about three.

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Speaker 3: Or four arrests now with people who I would consider

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shadowy provocateurs. And as much as like when I started

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this research, I expected them to be like FEDS or

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like CIA contractor dudes like scruffed up murder. They're scrawny

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little geeks who look like they've honestly never left their house.

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a computer, and some of them were very young, and

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it's just mind blowing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but one thing that's interesting, though, is

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that you did you mentioned that in the case of

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the power grid, you know, that's something that the establishment

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has been warning was coming for a good while. And

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of course they said, oh, it's going to be a

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Trump supporter that's going to go and take out the

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power grid because Trump works with Russia, all of which

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I think was politicized nonsense. I don't think that's really

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the case, but you did highlight that, you mentioned that

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one of the videos, which suggests that there is some

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level of politicization of a lot of this to make

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it seem like there's all these white supremacists that are

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running crazy, but in actuality, the Nazi element is actually

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co opted and sort of blended with a really hardcore

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satanic philosophy which I want to get to now, which

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comes out of this order of non angle philosopher.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. No, you're right, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: So there's the reality and then there's how the reality

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is construed after the fact. And what what we were

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seeing was that, like, for example, with Jade Parker's academic colleagues,

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they were the ones who were really pushing this like

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far right extremism angle. And you know, for me, I've

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always been like, well, this isn't far right at all,

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Like this is far left, Like these people are like

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national socialists, like these people are you know, a lot

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of them are very or anarchists, Like this is like

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saying far right is very sneaky term that's intentionally used

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to kind of get people thinking that this is like conservative,

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like a conservative phenomenon, when it's not.

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Speaker 4: This is just extremism.

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Speaker 3: And so yeah, of course they're going to take that

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and twist it and politicize it even that, you know,

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the FBI and the FEDS and stuff have a tendency

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to kind of make it seem more like it's far

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right extremists. And I'm hoping that that's going to change

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soon as more facts start coming out and people start

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paying attention to this, Like seven sixty four in LM,

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I mean, these are foreign actors from Eastern Europe. You

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know that this is these are foreign terrorists. This isn't

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even something that's a lot of times it's not even domestics.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Hoping I have high hopes that we're going to see

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some changes here soon.

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Speaker 2: What if you think about a lot of people don't

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know this unless you get really deep into political philosophy,

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but a lot of the far left groups and actually

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far far right groups they actually meet, They come all

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the way around and meet because, for example, in the

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case of in one of your videos, you mentioned that

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some of these groups promote esoteric Hitlerism. This is people

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like Submetri Davey who are adjacent to the perennialists like

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Julius Evola, and the concern for radical ecology, the return

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of nature worship. These are some of the ideas involved

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in some of that radical quote far right, getting rid

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of the existing system through revolutionary means, getting rid of

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the Federal Reserve, all those things are kind of tied

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into quote far right, but they also overlap on some

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of those points with far far left ecology. You know

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that it exists the revolutionary ethos that that needs to

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be this cleansing. And as I watched your documentaries, I

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noticed in how many cases you could see people far right,

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nihilists and far left both agreeing on the need for

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destroying the existing system, a cleansing, which would be some

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sort of spiritual, satanic new era that would come in.

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And that's the religious ethos that's tacked onto this stuff.

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And that's why, for example, they talked about well martyrdom.

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If you're a you know, lonely insel. Why not become

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a martyr making name for yourself. And I just thought

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that was fascinating because in a lot of these systems

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that are being promoted these ideas, it's very religious. Maybe

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not overtly, but they're utilizing the idea of religious philosophy.

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So tell us about the Order of Nine Angles and

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what this this guy actually does have a history of

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being a fed that David Maya character. Tell us about

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him in the Order of Nine Angles and how they

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co opted and sort of tweaked this satanic religious philosophy.

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Speaker 3: It's super fascinating and kind of what you just explained

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is accelerationism. The way that these this far left and

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the far right and all these weird you know, satanic

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wackos all meets on this concept of collapse, and so

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they can use each other and they can work with

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each other without agreeing with each other ideologically. And I

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think that's really important to note as far as the

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Order of Nine Angles goes. So David Maya himself, you know,

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he's British. I don't know that he has He definitely

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was involved in some sketchy operation Gladio Area era like

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ops around neo fascism back in like the seventies and eighties.

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Speaker 4: He started this.

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Speaker 3: Well, everybody, this is an interesting cult, okay, because there's

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a lot of questions around how it actually arose and

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who started it, and you really don't have much to

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go buy except for David Meyatt's word on a lot of.

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Speaker 4: It, unfortunately.

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Speaker 3: But if you're listening to what the traditional agreement is,

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it's that David Meyatt started this cult. He was a

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longtime national socialist. He was involved in a lot of

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Gladio Area era neo fascist groups like Column eighty eight

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and those kinds of things, and then he basically decided

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to get into esoteric occultism and he joined a very

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fringe cult in the UK, and then I think what

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happened is that that person ended up leaving and he

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took over it and he geared his cult towards national

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socialism and collapse. But the way he wanted to do

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that was by creating this Praxis philosophy around this new

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Eonic era of you know, aryan an Aryan imperium, where

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like basically only the fittest Aryans would survive the collapse

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and then they would go on to colonize the Milky Way,

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because of course, of course they would. Of course there's

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like an apocalyptic death cult vibe to this, because it

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was the seventies, you know, and so that he actually

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built this whole love crafty and cult. I mean, it's

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really similar to scientology in this sheer amount of like

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literature that.

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Speaker 4: He published on this very very prolific.

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Speaker 3: And so the idea behind the cult was you started

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in the cult and then you infiltrated various organizations and

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tried to divert them to you know, to push national

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socialist ideology. And if you're listening to what Miyatt believes,

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he thought that this was the best way to kind

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of get national socialism in a position where it could

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actually win. He didn't think that there was any hope

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for the national socialist movement at the time. And so

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you know, by going and subverting and doing sinister acts

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which include you know, murdering people, which they call culling,

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you know, this is this is these are the ways

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that we're going to basically in the Judaeo Christian era

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of civilization and start a new sinister eon of evil

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where they would be the rulers of the galaxy.

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Speaker 4: That's Order of Nine Angles.

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Speaker 3: Uh, it's evolved over time to include people from all

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over the world. There's plenty of different Nexians that have

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come out. Some of them have feuded, some of them

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don't like to be called Order of nine Angles anymore.

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Mayat himself seems to and I've used this term a lot,

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but to me, I've talked to him multiple times, and

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to me, he just seems like an old.

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Speaker 4: Man full of regret. Uh.

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Speaker 3: He desperately tries to separate his group, the Order nine

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Angles from the child abuse components that came later, even

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though it seems kind of self evident that, you know,

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a religion based around doing the most evil stuff imaginable

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to collapse society would eventually give rise to some of

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the stuff we're seeing, like the seven six four network.

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Speaker 4: So that's that's kind of what happened.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned your video that there was a connection between

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him and the FBI.

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Speaker 1: Is that is that the case?

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Speaker 3: So that's so you're talking about Joshua Sutter. Joshua Sutter

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was the creator of a Nexsian called Temple of Blood.

478
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That Nexian was eventually disavowed by David Mayatt, and that's

479
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the one, Joshua Sutter is the one who wrote all

480
00:24:56,079 --> 00:25:00,000
of these disgusting books about child sexual abuse and basically

481
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,359
turned that into like a mainstream like a tenet of

482
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the Temple of Blood, now the Temple of Blood.

483
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Speaker 4: It ended up theill Sutter under Temple of.

484
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Speaker 3: Blood, you know, affiliation infiltrated Adam waff and division.

485
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Speaker 4: And so that's how we found out.

486
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 3: That he was a federal informant because during the the

487
00:25:23,519 --> 00:25:26,400
trials of the Adam Waffen guys, they tried to put

488
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,000
this forward as like a biased case because they had

489
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,440
shown that the person who had tipped everybody off was

490
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an informant who also ran a rival sect of Satanic

491
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:43,240
you know, Neo Nazis, and that person was easily identified

492
00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:46,599
from the criminal complaint as being Joshua Sutter. So he

493
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:53,440
got outed, and that was really really impactful because like, now, honestly,

494
00:25:53,599 --> 00:25:57,680
the FBI, the dj really need to address why this

495
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:02,880
person was allowed to form and give information to law

496
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,799
enforcement while also pushing this kind of ideology is very concerning.

497
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 2: Well, and I mean your video mentioned that the FBI.

498
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,640
You put up an image of a article was talking

499
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,519
about the FBI funding was it his book publishing or

500
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the neo Nazi a cult book publisher.

501
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Speaker 4: So here's what that's kind of misleading.

502
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,519
Speaker 3: I think that what I've put together is that he

503
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,720
was paid as to be an informant, So he was

504
00:26:28,759 --> 00:26:31,200
paid for, like I guess how. I don't know how

505
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,240
they do it, like for the rest that he made, right,

506
00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:37,119
Like he was paid for like how success work was.

507
00:26:37,839 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess so.

508
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Speaker 3: But and it just so happened that during that time

509
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,240
he was also publishing these books.

510
00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:46,759
Speaker 4: So yeah, technically, if the FBI.

511
00:26:46,599 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 3: Was paying him and he was using that money to

512
00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:51,000
put out books, whether the FBI knew about that or not,

513
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,680
is you know so? But regardless, it's an ethical quandary

514
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:56,680
right right on.

515
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,559
Speaker 1: One more question on Mike before we go to break.

516
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I know, if I recall.

517
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,759
Speaker 2: Reading about him, he also kind of moved into radical

518
00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:05,599
Islamic philosophy for a while.

519
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:06,319
Speaker 1: Is that true?

520
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was back I think you're probably the nineties

521
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,240
or so. I'm not sure exactly, but you know, that's

522
00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:16,759
a great example of an insight role, which is what

523
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:19,279
these guys call it when they infiltrate some kind of

524
00:27:19,319 --> 00:27:22,119
different organization and try to subvert it from within and

525
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,799
gain experience for themselves.

526
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Speaker 1: All right, this is the Aux Genhn Show. We're here

527
00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:28,559
with BX. Do not go anywhere.

528
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Speaker 2: We'll be right back covering cults and brainwashing. Welcome back

529
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,839
to the fourth hour of the Aux Gentle Show. Today

530
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we're talking with BX, online researcher and a journalist investigator.

531
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Speaker 1: You can follow her over on Twitter.

532
00:27:43,799 --> 00:27:46,279
Speaker 2: And I think on YouTube, and we're talking about the

533
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,960
different online cults and networks that are used to groom

534
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,119
people into outrageous actions and some of the ideologies that.

535
00:27:54,039 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: These groups are promoting.

536
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 2: I want to move on next to the group that

537
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,279
she's highlighted called seven sixty four, and then I want

538
00:27:59,319 --> 00:28:02,000
to talk about the maniac murder called what a seven

539
00:28:02,079 --> 00:28:05,359
sixty four? And what perhaps have they influenced what recent

540
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,599
Internet figures. Perhaps this Spitz character who was making the

541
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,440
rounds on Twitter was how was he influenced by the

542
00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:13,319
seven sixty four?

543
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: And what is that?

544
00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:20,799
Speaker 3: Seven sixty four is a child exploitation and extortion network.

545
00:28:21,599 --> 00:28:27,599
It's a group of individuals who they really just abuse, sexually, abused,

546
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:33,079
and otherwise extort and harm children. That's their focus. It's

547
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,599
part of a broader community online known as Calm which

548
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,599
is just a network of cyber criminals. The people who

549
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,160
were found to be swatting figures like Timpoole and Marjorie

550
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,960
Taylor Green were connected to this calm network.

551
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 4: In fact, almost all.

552
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Speaker 3: Of the doxing and swatting and school fake bomb threats

553
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,720
and school shooting hoaxes are coming from this group.

554
00:28:53,759 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 4: It's a very serious problem.

555
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 3: So stemming off of that, you know that this group

556
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of really just nasty kids on it seems that at

557
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,400
some point they were I wouldn't say infiltrated, but I

558
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,039
would say influenced by some of this satanic ideology that

559
00:29:09,079 --> 00:29:13,559
we've been covering, and that made its way into a

560
00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:16,960
spinoff group called seven six four, which was focused on,

561
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:22,680
you know, satanic imagery, getting kids to self harm on camera,

562
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:28,119
carve their abusers' names into their bodies, and paint satanic

563
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,359
imagery on the walls with blood, really shocking stuff.

564
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Speaker 4: They would use sexual content they would get.

565
00:29:34,359 --> 00:29:38,039
Speaker 3: From the kids to extort them and force them to

566
00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:43,240
do more and more egregious things on camera, including killing

567
00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:47,400
their pets and up to an including committing suicide on camera.

568
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,880
It's really, when I say this, very like I've investigated

569
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,759
a lot of crazy stuff. This is the most evil

570
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:57,559
thing that you can imagine happening. It is, it is,

571
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,519
It is so some of the people who've been arrested

572
00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:05,240
in these cases are getting nailed to the wall, thankfully,

573
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,920
Like the justice system is seeing that the evilness of

574
00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:14,200
the evil nature of their crimes goes past beyond what

575
00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:16,880
our legal system can code, right, like when you get

576
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:21,680
charged with production and distribution of child pornography, Like this

577
00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:25,319
is the most extreme example that you could really have.

578
00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:28,720
And all of it's happening online for the most part.

579
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: Are these groups are they having a wide amount of

580
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,559
influence or are they very niche? Is this again, does

581
00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:39,680
it overlap like with the insul forums or is this

582
00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:43,200
something more video game gamer influenced. And a number of

583
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,480
you called out a lot of perhaps Minecraft groups that

584
00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:51,359
were being used to recruit kids really for this kind

585
00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:51,799
of stuff?

586
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Speaker 1: Is that accurate?

587
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,799
Speaker 4: They recruit kids from all different areas of the Internet.

588
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,839
Speaker 3: One of the biggest ones that's been highlighted the most

589
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:02,839
is the rope Blocks and Minecraft communities where they would

590
00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:06,519
make rope blocks characters with swastikas all over them and

591
00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:08,920
a shirt that said CP lover, and they would go

592
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,920
and invite kids to discord servers, and then in the

593
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,160
discord server they would basically just be exposing the kids

594
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,559
to child sexual abuse, material, gore, and things of that

595
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,640
nature to just kind of desensitize them and honestly recruit

596
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,039
them into the group not just to abuse them, but

597
00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:29,880
to create new abusers. It's almost like a you know,

598
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,880
like recruiting people. And then as far as the victim pools,

599
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,400
they came from a lot of different areas as well,

600
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:40,160
like eating disorder communities and self harm suicide forums and

601
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,759
places where they knew that they would find teens that

602
00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:45,880
were at their lowest that they could exploit. And so

603
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,519
that's kind of all of that came together into some

604
00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:54,880
of the most horrific imagery I can imagine being subjected to.

605
00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:59,160
I've seen stuff from this group that's just beyond comprehension.

606
00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 2: And there was a recent clip going around that was

607
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:05,359
kind of out of context of a guy named Spitz

608
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:10,079
who had was on the receiving end of a gunshot

609
00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:12,640
from his stepdad, and people thought that this was a

610
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,400
sort of a just a crazy step dad, but it

611
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,960
turns out there was a reason why the stepdad was

612
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,480
engaging in this action. And this brawl they had that

613
00:32:20,599 --> 00:32:22,960
was because this kid apparently was involved in one of

614
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,400
these seven six four grips.

615
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 3: Correct, yeah, Kyle spitz Man, what a crazy viral plot twist, right.

616
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So I saw this video of him getting clipped in

617
00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:36,559
the ear by a bullet, and I, just like everybody else,

618
00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:38,119
I was like, that's a wild video.

619
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Speaker 4: What is happening here?

620
00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: Right?

621
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 3: There's no context, and everybody mostly was just calling the

622
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,200
step dad crazy. But then that so at this time,

623
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,480
when that video came out in January, I had already

624
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,920
been researching seven sixty four for a bit. I already

625
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,119
knew of their existence and had been trying, you know,

626
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,839
kind of following and starting to research how it came

627
00:32:58,920 --> 00:32:59,119
to be.

628
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 4: So I was it was already on my radar.

629
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 3: And then in that when that video came out, I

630
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,000
started seeing the comments. People were victims were trying to

631
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,400
get attention to themselves, saying that this guy was part

632
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:10,279
of seven six four.

633
00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:13,279
Speaker 4: So to me, I was like, whoa, you know, here

634
00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:13,640
we go.

635
00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 3: And I was able to find him and find a

636
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:18,440
telegram channel and find all of his friends and map

637
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,880
out their network within a couple of days, and I

638
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,440
was able. That was About a week later after that

639
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:28,559
video when viral is when his mother died and he

640
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:31,279
posted a video of himself with her dead body on

641
00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:33,160
telegram and it was just so crazy.

642
00:33:33,759 --> 00:33:34,759
Speaker 4: It was so crazy.

643
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 3: So then the victims kind of asked me if I

644
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,319
could make a tweet about it because they were tired

645
00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:44,400
of him, Like in Law on Crime YouTube channel had

646
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,759
like interviewed Kyle Spitz like, oh, we're so happy you're okay,

647
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,039
and like, I'm like, man, that's crazy, Like, you know,

648
00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:52,960
I'd be mad if I were a victim too. So

649
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:55,279
I put this tweet out telling them like, don't expect

650
00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:57,799
much because I'm really a nobody. And then the tweet

651
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,519
blew up because people were like, oh my god, this

652
00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:02,920
is an insane plot twist.

653
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 4: Right.

654
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 3: It turns out that the kid who got shot was

655
00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:10,360
one of the most evil people imaginable. Now, I don't

656
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,639
think the stepdad was necessarily much better. I mean, I

657
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,760
think the whole family was just like a lost cause, Okay,

658
00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:20,440
they were all bad. However, I think that that was

659
00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:23,559
really what got people kind of drawn in, and from

660
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:26,280
there we were able to kind of start spreading awareness

661
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,079
about this group that had really gone under recognized. A

662
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:31,599
lot of people didn't know it existed, and to me,

663
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:35,360
it was really important to start warning parents warning people

664
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,519
about this because these people are preying on your kids

665
00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:41,480
everywhere on the internet, and every parent needs to be

666
00:34:41,519 --> 00:34:44,559
aware of this group and what they're doing.

667
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,679
Speaker 2: Now in the case of other online groups, the next

668
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:53,840
one I want to move to is you highlighted the

669
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,719
MKU then, or what's called MMC Maniac murder Cult. And

670
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:03,559
this was originally a Ukrainian far right connected neo Nazi

671
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:08,000
group that was then taken over by a Georgian character,

672
00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:12,199
and they were also utilizing Minecraft to try to recruit

673
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:13,360
people to do this.

674
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,159
Speaker 1: How does this relate to seven sixty four and or

675
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,760
the nine A.

676
00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:24,519
Speaker 3: So I have a theory about it that's been increasingly

677
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,360
validating itself as time goes on. But what it seems

678
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,800
to me like what happened is so the MKU is

679
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:36,440
a Ukrainian based neo Nazi satanic cult of serial killers

680
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,440
fun stuff. There was a person named Igor Krasnov who

681
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,039
had taken inspiration from these people who'd gone on this

682
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:48,480
like famous murders free with Hammers, right, And this guy,

683
00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:52,119
Igor Krasnov was just an insane person. He started this

684
00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:55,840
kind of cult, and we saw evidence that Igor was

685
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,639
also into nine A and into the Satanic ideologies.

686
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:01,079
Speaker 4: Now you got.

687
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 3: Arrested because he had had Russian nationals committing terror attacks

688
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,760
in Russia. So the Russian government put out information that

689
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,119
you know, hey, these guys are terrorists, these guys are

690
00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:12,679
a Neo.

691
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 4: Nazi Satanic cult.

692
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 3: And it's funny is the American media back then when

693
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,320
this happened, We're like, that's Russian disinformation and stuff, right,

694
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:26,639
But then all these years later, this year, actually his successor,

695
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:32,039
whose name was Butcher, was arrested for you know, provoking

696
00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:35,079
terror attacks against the US and he was planning some

697
00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:38,320
really sick stuff. So now those same news outlets were

698
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,800
being forced to basically admit that this is real. There

699
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:47,119
is a Ukrainian Neo Nazi Satanist cult. So in terms

700
00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:49,119
of how they got involved with seven to six four,

701
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,239
my theory is that they saw this as a group

702
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,320
they could infiltrate and get people to do evil stuff,

703
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,360
because obviously they can, right, they're already doing the most

704
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,199
evil stuff imaginable. And so I think what happened is

705
00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:04,440
that MKU came into seven sixty four and they tried

706
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,880
to create a spin off group called NLM, which stands

707
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,800
for No Lives Matter, and that group was like, hey,

708
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,639
we're not going to focus on child exploitation or extortion.

709
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,760
We're going to focus on real life actions terror attacks.

710
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:18,960
To be one of us, you have to go commit

711
00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:23,599
a mass stabbing, a mass shooting on camera, right. And

712
00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:27,000
so I think that that's how MK you merged with

713
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:29,360
seven six four is that they saw them as a

714
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,280
proxy terrrispool of patsies right to go dou stuff on

715
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:33,840
their behalf.

716
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: Well, and also, I know you didn't focus on this

717
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,159
angle of it, but if you go back to Gladio

718
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,440
and you mentioned Maya being involved in column eighty eight,

719
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,920
now the whole history of Gladio is really bound up

720
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,119
with OSS and CIA people setting up these cell networks.

721
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,360
David Williams argues that it was a Kissinger that was

722
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,280
running most of the at least the Italian stuff off

723
00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:03,800
with Gladio, where the whole government was basically being run

724
00:38:04,039 --> 00:38:07,880
ya the P two lodge, which was Masonic neo fascists,

725
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,079
which sounds contradictory, but there actually were Italian lodges that

726
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:15,920
were neo fascists that supported Mussolini I'm curious because there's

727
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,559
also a long history that connects CIA operations to some

728
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:24,280
of these groups in the Ukraine, particularly with the Galen

729
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,519
org and the history of Galen's network being brought into

730
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,719
Western intelligence when the.

731
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,039
Speaker 1: Nazis lost through Dallas and others.

732
00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:34,599
Speaker 2: So I'm curious, is there any connection you think between

733
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,239
any of those people and the groups in Ukraine that

734
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,840
you're talking about and Western intelligence or other intelligence networks.

735
00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't personally know, but however, it's really

736
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,039
hard to look at these groups and not see Gladio.

737
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 4: Era ops, right.

738
00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 3: I Mean, you look at this and you're like, Wow,

739
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,280
this really does seem like there's intelligence in community involvement.

740
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 4: That wouldn't surprise me at all.

741
00:38:59,440 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: You know.

742
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 3: Granted I don't have any like any research to show

743
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,679
you this, but yeah, I mean, just given like the

744
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,800
history that you described and what we're seeing, it is

745
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,800
definitely a question that you could ask.

746
00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:15,519
Speaker 2: So and now, in the case of moving through these

747
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:21,679
these figures, the Maniac Murder cult, they have promoted what

748
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,119
is known as the Hater's Handbook, and I'm guessing that

749
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:28,920
that's kind of been disseminated as a material that's influencing

750
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,599
some of these people too. It's kind of like tactics

751
00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:34,239
right on how to do a lot of this stuff online.

752
00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:36,320
Was this the handbook by the way, that I think

753
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,559
references mujah Haden techniques and utilizing them for this sort

754
00:39:41,559 --> 00:39:45,840
of neo Nazi approach to terrorism. Is that the is

755
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,840
that the main thing that they produced that's sort of

756
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,000
really influencing people.

757
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,159
Speaker 3: The Hater's Handbook, So the muja Hadeen's Poison Handbook. I

758
00:39:53,199 --> 00:39:57,440
don't know if you just had that like separately, but

759
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,880
but the Hater's Handbook is what I would consider a

760
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:01,440
a terrorism manual.

761
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:02,199
Speaker 4: It is an.

762
00:40:02,119 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 3: Instructional guide on how to commit terrorism.

763
00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: Uh.

764
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:11,639
Speaker 3: It includes mass shootings, mass stabbings, truck rammings, poisoning.

765
00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 4: How to how to make rising, how to make bombs.

766
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 2: Did you see that what's happens there's a massive truck

767
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:20,760
attack in Germany?

768
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, I just know I have to look at it.

769
00:40:25,039 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know that connect to this.

770
00:40:26,559 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 3: I'm just just just honestly, it seems like all of

771
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,639
them do now Lately, every since I started looking into this,

772
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,920
like honestly, almost every attack like this has been somehow

773
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,719
linked to not not necessarily just the mku but to

774
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:44,320
this festering accelerationism doctrine. Right, But but the Hater's handbook

775
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,960
itself that does have like recipes for ricing, recipes for bombs,

776
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,159
and it's also got a heavy satanic element, Like it's

777
00:40:53,199 --> 00:40:57,400
basically like, here's why we're connecting national socialism and satanism,

778
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,960
and it's just an explanation of why we're doing it.

779
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:03,280
And then it's a push for genocide like you were

780
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,599
talking about at the beginning, right, that this this idea

781
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,760
that in order to accelerate the new eon, we have

782
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,719
to genocide all of the scum, and it pushes nihilism

783
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,400
and it pushes misanthropy, just the hatred of humans.

784
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: Uh.

785
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 3: And so anytime that I'm seeing this now pop up

786
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,760
and manifestos, right, the word scum, the word you know,

787
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,119
just hatred of humans. I hate my fellow man, and

788
00:41:26,199 --> 00:41:29,400
therefore all of them are scum and therefore it's justified

789
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,119
for me to go kill them because it's the right

790
00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:34,480
thing to do for evolution. Now, that to me is

791
00:41:34,519 --> 00:41:37,960
like boom, that that stands out as this kind of

792
00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:43,360
ideology of collapse and not just the accelerationist ideal ideology

793
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,920
of collapse, but also this specific idea that you need

794
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,079
to go out and genocide people, specifically racial minorities, and

795
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,400
you know other other groups that they target in order

796
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,840
to facilitate this, like ethnic cleansing or this, you know,

797
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,960
just mask aside. So that's what I've been seeing come

798
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,440
out a lot, including from the recent mass shooter from

799
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,480
earlier this week. She had all of those she checked

800
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,440
those boxes. She was connected to some of these groups

801
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,639
that I would consider to be you know, seven six, four.

802
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 4: O nine A and MKU influenced.

803
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 2: Now, when you say connected, in her case, she was

804
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,639
referencing other mass shooters that she saw as sort of.

805
00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: Saints, people to be emulated. Uh, it was cast if

806
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:35,480
the you.

807
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: Know, assuming that the manifesto, her rambling there four or

808
00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:42,920
five pages of rambling, was was authentic, you think that

809
00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:46,960
seemed to think that that is legitimately her writing.

810
00:42:48,159 --> 00:42:50,639
Speaker 1: Do you think that that's.

811
00:42:50,519 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 2: The main element of the influence is ideological or do

812
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,880
you think she was like interacting with certain specific individuals.

813
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 3: It's very interesting. I don't know, however, I could definitely

814
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,039
see either being the case. I could see her being

815
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:07,239
having been groomed by a bad actor and indoctrinated and provoked.

816
00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:10,960
I could also see, especially considering her involvement in that

817
00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:14,000
what'll we call the TCC community, which is this mass

818
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,039
shooter fan based community where they just like they actually

819
00:43:18,159 --> 00:43:20,239
you know, it's it's usually teens who are in a

820
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,079
really bad spot. A lot of them are committing mass

821
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:25,760
shootings of their own, planning mass shootings of their own.

822
00:43:26,039 --> 00:43:29,880
It's a really, really scary and serious little group of

823
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,320
people online. And this is the first time that I've

824
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,840
seen that group. These are the ones that are making

825
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,800
call and buying music, edits with music, and you know,

826
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,800
so this is the first time that I've seen that

827
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,679
kind of group overlap with what we've been talking about.

828
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,039
And that's really concerning because again, this is a group

829
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:51,159
of people that these guys know they can infiltrate and

830
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,280
push to violence, and so of course they're going to

831
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,239
do that. This is expected now as far as her

832
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,760
influence goes. In the manifesto, she had said her inspiration

833
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,239
came from a mass stab or in Turkey. This happened

834
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,320
back in August, and it didn't really make waves in

835
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,199
the US because it happened in Turkey. But this kid

836
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,719
was directly influenced by Mku. In fact, he had written

837
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,079
a manifesto of his own that was basically a carbon

838
00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:17,559
copy of the Hater's handbook that he had just kind

839
00:44:17,559 --> 00:44:21,400
of rewritten in Turkish. And so her shouting that guy

840
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,280
out as her inspiration means that, you know, if she

841
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,440
wasn't directly groomed by somebody related to that group, that

842
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:30,760
she was a copycat, which is even kind of more scary,

843
00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:33,480
right to think that now that they've put these people

844
00:44:33,519 --> 00:44:36,159
out here to commit these attacks, Now we've got other

845
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,800
people looking up to those people as martyrs and trying

846
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,920
to copycat them, and it becomes kind of like a

847
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:45,480
virality thing, which is very concerning and.

848
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: Didn't roup now in her suppose that manifesto, she speaks

849
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:53,039
of it as revolution, she speaks of humans as scum.

850
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:56,559
It's a lot of the same terminology and linguistic usage

851
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,679
that wasn't their kind of martyr language. I'm going for

852
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,400
a memory. I read it a few nights ago, but

853
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,119
she speaks of well, yeah, why not just do this

854
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,119
as some kind of you know, action, And.

855
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:11,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she said, I don't know, she called them martyrs.

856
00:45:11,159 --> 00:45:13,280
She definitely used the word scum. Which stood out to me.

857
00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:16,920
She also said, like, you know, why would I commit

858
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,760
suicide when I could do something to move evolution forward

859
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,800
by killing these people who are scum and less than human.

860
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,679
And you know that's that that's that idea of misanthropy

861
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,960
and this idea that that we need, you know, you

862
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,960
need to go kill off and and you know it's

863
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,159
not just even though it is there is a neo

864
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,639
Nazi opponent. I mean it is based around like racial

865
00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:39,000
minorities and stuff as well, but it's also based around

866
00:45:39,079 --> 00:45:42,639
Judeo Christian you know, people who are Christian or Jewish,

867
00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:45,159
they don't want that they're Satanists. They're Satanic, like they

868
00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:49,079
want a Satanic rule. So this is a really scary

869
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:51,920
network of people who are targeting pretty much anyone who's

870
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,199
not an Aryan Satanist.

871
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a back in uh it's probably composed

872
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,159
around maybe twenty ten or eleven. There was a large

873
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:08,159
It was a long eulogy that a supposed prominent Australian

874
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:12,559
Satanist wrote about what to expect in the next few years,

875
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:15,880
particularly the next few decades. And I've always thought it

876
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,440
was authentic, precisely because of you've read a lot of

877
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,400
that literature. You know, how these people think and how

878
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,239
they speak. It does come off as as somebody who

879
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,800
was serious about their Satanism. And the full eulogy is

880
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,960
about twenty pages if you find a lot of the

881
00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:32,760
versions that you find online are sort of redacted. But

882
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:35,239
the reason I bring it up is that it actually

883
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,440
matches up to a lot of what you're talking about,

884
00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:41,440
where you have this promise of a new aon that's coming,

885
00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:45,480
and they see the ritual actions that they engage in

886
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,280
as literal original actions that are helping to bring about

887
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,119
that new age, and they say the only people that

888
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:56,880
should survive are the really the you know, serious committed

889
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,039
Satanists of the future.

890
00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: Everyone else has to be cleansed.

891
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 2: And this report, yeah a very wealthy, prominent so it's

892
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,280
not just like angry teenagers I think the teenagers are

893
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,320
used to do. I do think there are actually, you know, prominent,

894
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:11,639
wealthy people that believe this too.

895
00:47:12,639 --> 00:47:13,639
Speaker 4: I'd really like to see that.

896
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 3: If you could send that to me, I'd love I'd

897
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,400
love to check that out because you know, that sounds

898
00:47:17,519 --> 00:47:20,440
very much like the O nine a practice which has

899
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,239
to do with calling of everybody who doesn't follow the

900
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,280
sinister practice.

901
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 4: In other words, everyone who's not part of their cult

902
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:28,440
is getched in asided.

903
00:47:28,519 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 3: Right, if you're not a nin er, you're gone during

904
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:32,880
the in this fantasy land where they call an iced

905
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,280
the Milky Way. So you know, so the but what's

906
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,159
crazy to me is that the influence, uh you know

907
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,960
of O nine A that has in the Satanist esoteric

908
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,360
Satanism that's leaked into the entire domestic terrorism landscape. Like

909
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,840
even you know as as you know RUP now had

910
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,159
referred to some mass shooters as saints. And that's the

911
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,119
terminology that comes from this group called terror Gram, which

912
00:47:58,159 --> 00:48:01,480
is a telegram network of telegram channels. It's just like

913
00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:07,519
violent extremists, right, and they specifically canonize these mass shooters

914
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:10,760
and they make calendars and like, oh, you want your

915
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,719
place on the calendar, you have to go shoot.

916
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,599
Speaker 4: I mean, it's crazy, it's absolutely insane.

917
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,599
Speaker 3: But it's crazy to me to see how the Satanic

918
00:48:18,679 --> 00:48:23,000
influence has permeated all of these spaces. You cannot go

919
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:26,199
to a neo Nazi or neo fascist or accelerationist or

920
00:48:26,199 --> 00:48:30,199
extremist telegram channel anymore without finding these people who are

921
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,000
pushing the satanic elements. It truly has just permeated every

922
00:48:34,519 --> 00:48:36,800
extremist corner of the Internet.

923
00:48:37,079 --> 00:48:39,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a I think Crowley did that too.

924
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 2: Crowley was one of the first two come up with

925
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:46,719
a Satanic calendar saints, where he basically went through history

926
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,719
who he thought like the worst centers were, and like,

927
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,639
you get a place on the Croley calendar if you're

928
00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:52,840
a great center.

929
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: I know that the.

930
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: Oco has I think a st calendar, I think, and

931
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,880
then the Gnostic caloc Church has their list of saints.

932
00:49:01,679 --> 00:49:04,519
They're basically just kind of people that were counter establishment

933
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,039
or alchemists in the Middle Ages. But this is like

934
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:11,280
the Satanic version of that where you have you know, yeah,

935
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:15,440
it's a way to manipulate people to get recognition in

936
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,800
a very narcissistic way, kind of like how serial killers.

937
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,199
You know, they want the recognition that they're very much

938
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:23,920
you know, sluted narcissists, so they're playing that's.

939
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 4: Also their roundfall, so exactly.

940
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 3: You know. Luckily, a lot of these guys, especially in

941
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,559
the seven six four network, are obsessed with notoriety and fame.

942
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,239
And I don't know if you've noticed, but man, it

943
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,880
seems like every day now I'm reporting on a new arrest,

944
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,440
a new you know, some new news. They're falling like dominoes.

945
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,599
I think that it's just because I don't know what

946
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,119
happened at the federal level. Maybe they just decided this

947
00:49:48,159 --> 00:49:50,480
is a pr nightmare and we need to start cleaning

948
00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:53,480
these guys up. But there's definitely been a lot of

949
00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:56,519
arrests recently of these guys, and I think, like you said,

950
00:49:56,599 --> 00:50:00,000
their ego and their pride definitely leads leads to more

951
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attention that can lead to their arrests. Like the threats

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that they said, meet constantly. It's you know, you're just

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bringing more attention to yourself.

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Speaker 2: So rupt now had at least in that picture that

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was going around a KMFDM shirt, which was supposed to

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I think be a hat tip to Clive Bowlder Harris

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who was wearing the KMFDM shirt. So I'm just wondering

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if there is any connection if you've gone back into

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the older you know, Columbine.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's a while back, but do.

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Speaker 2: You think any of those older era, early era school

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shooters where they also influenced by any of these ideologies

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back then.

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Speaker 3: So it's more like the Columbine guys set like a precedent, right,

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and so they're worshiped at a very much a higher

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regard than the other you know, mass shooters that they glorify,

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and then all the aesthetics that they use are seen

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as like these aesthetics that are edgy and they're cool

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and like you want to give nods to your inspiration,

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and so it's less ideology based and more just like

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they're obsessed with the aesthetics. These people are like ultimate

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fans like it. Imagine them as like you know, like

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you know, fans of like a band, right, We're obsessed

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with Taylor Swift fans just insane, yes, but more evil,

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you know, yeah, and you know, but they're but they're

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adopting those aesthetics because that's what they what they embrace.

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They embrace that whole uh, that scene of mass shooters,

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and so you see them doing that a lot.

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Speaker 4: It's very common.

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Speaker 1: The account is b x on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: You can find her, uh, I've got her uh shared

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Speaker 3: Well, my YouTube keeps getting banned, but I'm one rumble

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