Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show at Martin Willershure, host,
Speaker 1: and just got back this morning from Sedona, Arizona and
Speaker 1: the Skyfire Summit with Travis Walton. Had a wonderful time
Speaker 1: out there, what beautiful scenery it was. And I get
Speaker 1: two really good recorded interviews. You'll find them very enjoyable.
Speaker 1: One is coming up this Thursday with Stacey Wright on
Speaker 1: basically Phoenix and the Arizona area UF HOST. Nice conversation.
Speaker 1: That's Thursday at eight pm. And then next Tuesday, I
Speaker 1: have a wonderful recording with.
Speaker 2: Don Schmidt and he was.
Speaker 1: Mentored by Jay Allen Heinek, and so we're going to
Speaker 1: be talking all about that and it's a real, really
Speaker 1: good conversation, best one I ever had with Don Schmidt.
Speaker 1: And that is next Tuesday. It'll be here. It's not live.
Speaker 1: Thursday will not be live. However, I will be introducing
Speaker 1: the show and I will be in the chat and
Speaker 1: also saying goodbye everyone when I leave.
Speaker 2: So just remember.
Speaker 1: So coming up we have Stacey Wright on Thursday eight pm,
Speaker 1: and next Tuesday week from tonight, Don Schmidt at nine pm.
Speaker 1: So our guest tonight, I met Mitch Randall out in
Speaker 1: contact in the desert, and I did a show with
Speaker 1: him just on AI, only artificial intelligence. He doesn't like
Speaker 1: to call it artificial. I think he had another word
Speaker 1: for it. I might ask him about that.
Speaker 2: Because.
Speaker 1: I think we're going to be hearing a lot more
Speaker 1: about that. And one of the thoughts that I had
Speaker 1: when I was out in Sedona, I watched a film
Speaker 1: by Ron James and now it's that is not going
Speaker 1: to be out for a while. We saw it sort
Speaker 1: of pre completely. You know, it was a rough cut.
Speaker 1: I guess you would call it of the movie. Very
Speaker 1: good movie. I'm going to be talking to him when
Speaker 1: that is out. But he introduced AI into this movie
Speaker 1: Accidental Truths and number two that is, and I thought
Speaker 1: he made a lot of sense, and the thought occurred
Speaker 1: to me, you know, we're progressing so quickly right now.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine if a society had an intelligent society
Speaker 1: had AI for say a thousand years. I mean you
Speaker 1: can only imagine what that could mean. And when artificial
Speaker 1: intelligence is building itself and how you know it'll just
Speaker 1: pyramid up to something who knows, and whatever it is,
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll be traveling the stars, I think. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Mitch Randall was on the show months ago about AI
Speaker 1: and he has a wonderful background. We're going to be
Speaker 1: talking about that. Just so everyone knows. The blog this week,
Speaker 1: but Charles lear Is Encounters on the Roads of Spain
Speaker 1: and it talks about a nineteen nineties encounter and a
Speaker 1: lot more. So check out the blog at podcastufo dot com.
Speaker 1: And thank you all for being here, Thanks for those
Speaker 1: who have supported the show. And it was really nice
Speaker 1: to be in Sidona. And three people actually came there,
Speaker 1: one from Buffalo, New York, just to meet and hang out.
Speaker 1: So there was Matt, there was Ron and Joel. I
Speaker 1: believe I have all their names. It was great to
Speaker 1: meet you all and hang out with you so and
Speaker 1: I do believe a lot of people at the conference
Speaker 1: said they'll be listening, So a shout out to you
Speaker 1: as well if you are new.
Speaker 2: To the show. Mitch, welcome, Hey, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, I thought we really had a I
Speaker 1: thought we had a wonderful conversation about AI out there.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's sort of.
Speaker 1: It can be sort of depressing because it's kind of scary.
Speaker 1: It's an unknown and this is a like a never
Speaker 1: ending technology. And and you know, I like the term
Speaker 1: this could be our last invention, and that sounds like
Speaker 1: a loaded sentence, but in a way, it could be
Speaker 1: because AI could be doing all the inventing from now on.
Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of crazy, but you know, this
Speaker 1: show is not really about AI, but I'm sure we'll
Speaker 1: be talking about it.
Speaker 2: But we're going to be talking.
Speaker 1: About SkyWatch, and this is something you and I never discussed.
Speaker 1: Of course, you're at a UFO conference and you're going
Speaker 1: to be talking about that. But let's let's wind all
Speaker 1: the way back and before even this idea. What was
Speaker 1: your interest in UFOs to begin with?
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm probably influenced by my big brother who was
Speaker 3: always into the UFOs, so I kind of followed his tracks,
Speaker 3: Like I didn't you know there was a time back
Speaker 3: in the seventies when it was you know, really you
Speaker 3: had to be a flake believe in them, right, And
Speaker 3: then I remember there's an Omni magazine article about UFOs,
Speaker 3: like what's that doing there? You know, that was about
Speaker 3: the time I got into it. So it was way
Speaker 3: back in the seventies. And and I'll tell you that
Speaker 3: it's actually hasn't really changed much at all, because it's
Speaker 3: still this you know, like excitement and then nothing and
Speaker 3: then excitement. And it's been doing that for decades.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: And then I got pulled into it again with Grush.
Speaker 3: Given that testimony, I thought, this is it. It's coming out.
Speaker 3: The toothpaste is squirted out all over. Then I figured
Speaker 3: I figured out about that toothpaste. I don't want to
Speaker 3: get off track with so many things, but you know
Speaker 3: they always say that, you know, the toothpaste.
Speaker 2: Came out of the too, can't go back in.
Speaker 3: Let the toothpaste dry up. That's all. There's toothpaste all over. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: This conference that I was at last weekend, there was
Speaker 1: a lot of talk about, you know, the different ideas
Speaker 1: that people have on disclosure, and that's really what it is.
Speaker 1: We all have different thoughts on what disclosure is. And
Speaker 1: you know, and someone, you know, one person said, oh,
Speaker 1: it's here in the UFO community.
Speaker 2: Doesn't know when to say yes.
Speaker 1: And I kind of resented that remark because it's not
Speaker 1: us that need to be convinced in the community. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's like admittance of the governments and all that.
Speaker 1: Maybe and I don't even know how much that will
Speaker 1: push that forward.
Speaker 2: You know, I mean there's.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I have a lot to say about
Speaker 3: that because that's actually part of my instrument designed because
Speaker 3: I feel that I feel that, you know, society is
Speaker 3: not going to you know, there's so many aspects. I'm
Speaker 3: trying to put it all into a coherent sentence, but
Speaker 3: I mean, society is not going to jump on board.
Speaker 3: They're really waiting for the President to stand up and
Speaker 3: say UFOs are real. That's what they want, because people
Speaker 3: don't want to take a bunch of disparate information and
Speaker 3: like sort through it all and come up with a conclusion.
Speaker 3: So this idea that you know, if there's going to
Speaker 3: be disclosure somehow, it has to come through some kind
Speaker 3: of official channel. That's a real thing. And I think
Speaker 3: you have to take that into account if you're going
Speaker 3: to if you're going to push disclosure, it can't be
Speaker 3: you know, some scientific group off in the corner says
Speaker 3: UFOs are real. That's not enough because of it, you know,
Speaker 3: for example, if it doesn't end up in the New
Speaker 3: York Times in a definitive way, like if it if
Speaker 3: it's in thew York New York Times and it says, well,
Speaker 3: this group says yes, but this group says no, that's
Speaker 3: not disclosure. It's got to be absolutely you know, spoon
Speaker 3: fed to everybody. Then that's disclosures. So that's you know,
Speaker 3: I'll talk about that more than we get into it.
Speaker 3: But that's, in my opinion, part of the instrument design
Speaker 3: that has to be made in order for citizen science
Speaker 3: to have an effect on this.
Speaker 1: I guess that's what that we get, the citizen science,
Speaker 1: as you say, involved. But I've said this a number
Speaker 1: of times and it's just my opinion that I don't
Speaker 1: think it really matters who's in office at the time.
Speaker 1: If that person in office, Democratic, Republican, whoever, says, you know,
Speaker 1: we have extraterrestrial life is visiting us or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: or it's it's found, we found it for sure, it's
Speaker 1: one hundred percent, there's going to still be a lot
Speaker 1: of people that are not going to believe that person
Speaker 1: in office.
Speaker 2: But if science, I mean.
Speaker 1: It would have to be like a whole group, a
Speaker 1: whole mass adjoining in on it before unless what do
Speaker 1: they say, catastrophic disclosure, like you know, like they all
Speaker 1: come in like Independence Day all over the world, you know,
Speaker 1: that type of thing.
Speaker 2: But so I don't know it. You know, I'm not
Speaker 2: holding my breath.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I really do think I know what
Speaker 3: you're saying. There's a lot of people don't believe what
Speaker 3: the president says. No matter which party, there's always, yeah,
Speaker 3: the people who don't believe it. But I think you're
Speaker 3: in a different zone. I think the zone that we
Speaker 3: want is when the president says it, because that means
Speaker 3: it's been through a bunch of filters and it's bubbled
Speaker 3: up to the point where it's gotten to that level.
Speaker 3: And I think people really do listen to the president.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of us that follow closely
Speaker 3: that know whether we should be listening to the president
Speaker 3: or not. But there's a whole bunch of people that
Speaker 3: listen to the president.
Speaker 2: Mmmmmm yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so you your brother sort of got you and
Speaker 1: you mentioned the Omni magazine.
Speaker 2: I actually remember that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, friend's family used to get that, and I remember
Speaker 1: being a kid and seeing that magazine.
Speaker 2: And you know, I mentioned that.
Speaker 1: To my friend who I'm still in touch with, a
Speaker 1: childhood friend. He didn't remember it, but because I told him,
Speaker 1: you know, I broke the news to him. Look, I
Speaker 1: do a show in UFOs, and he's actually watched a
Speaker 1: couple of them.
Speaker 2: He's not picking on me too bad. He likes to
Speaker 2: pick on me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I remember that, and so you yourself.
Speaker 1: I have never had a witness the UFO though, correct,
Speaker 1: because I.
Speaker 3: Know that that's the crazy thing. Like I went to
Speaker 3: Contact in the desert, and that has so many people
Speaker 3: that I mean, I think I'm maybe the only one
Speaker 3: that goes there who hasn't seen something.
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's not true at all. It's not true
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 1: And you know, you look at Steve and Steve is
Speaker 1: it you know, what's his name, Bassett?
Speaker 2: Who am I thinking of?
Speaker 3: Steve?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's never seen a UFO.
Speaker 1: Stanton Friedman, one of the greatest researchers ever, never saw
Speaker 1: a UFO. So there's there's a number of them, and
Speaker 1: they're you know, they're not exactly a unicorn. There's probably
Speaker 1: a lot of people that think they saw something and
Speaker 1: still go there because they got their curiosity up and.
Speaker 3: It may you know. So for me, like I went
Speaker 3: through that roller coaster for decades, you know, and sometimes
Speaker 3: you're really excited about it because it's it's coming out,
Speaker 3: you know, and then it goes dead, and then you're like,
Speaker 3: why would I even care about this subject? You know,
Speaker 3: like what's going on with it? You know? I mean
Speaker 3: you just go through these really deep and high peaks,
Speaker 3: you know. And for me, I was always looking for
Speaker 3: because I'm background in science, I'm technical, and I can
Speaker 3: look at a video and I can tell whether not
Speaker 3: that it's true or not, but I can tell whether
Speaker 3: it means anything or not. Because so many videos of
Speaker 3: just a dot and you can't tell if it's the
Speaker 3: camera moving or the dot moving. It's meaningless, you know.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of stuff like that, or just a dot,
Speaker 3: you know, could be any kind of light. And I've
Speaker 3: always been looking for something that's you know, that would
Speaker 3: I would think, Okay, nothing this human made can do that,
Speaker 3: And there's really very little like that. There's actually a
Speaker 3: couple videos like that, well for one of them. One
Speaker 3: of them was the I don't know if you remember
Speaker 3: the Mexican UFO video. It's a UFO that was like
Speaker 3: wobbling and it could clearly and then it went behind
Speaker 3: a building that came.
Speaker 1: Out over the top. Yeah, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's real. I'm not sure if that's real. I've heard
Speaker 1: controversy about that.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, for me, that was like super interesting. I
Speaker 3: actually communicated a little bit with that famous famous video
Speaker 3: video guy. I can't remember his name right now, you.
Speaker 1: Know I talk about in Mexico, are you no, no, no, the.
Speaker 3: The guy that Bruce Beccaby that's it. Yeah, yeah him
Speaker 3: a little bit to kind of go through that, but
Speaker 3: you know that anyway, I think eventually I figured out
Speaker 3: that's not real. Actually this was more recently actually froze.
Speaker 3: You know, if I learned this technique where if you
Speaker 3: can isolate the or you know, stabilize the thing you're
Speaker 3: looking at, you can tell a lot because you can
Speaker 3: see what's going on with the background. So a lot
Speaker 3: of times when people do you know, they impose, super
Speaker 3: impose a fake UFO onto a video. It's not perfect.
Speaker 3: They'll get something mixed up. And the main thing is
Speaker 3: you have to get the stabilization right because and what
Speaker 3: I noticed and when I did that is I noticed
Speaker 3: that the UFO I had it stabilized, but then you'd
Speaker 3: see the background do things that it shouldn't do. So
Speaker 3: I didn't explain that very good, but I convinced my no,
Speaker 3: I get.
Speaker 1: I get exactly what you're saying. I know when I
Speaker 1: first started looking into this topic, there was UFOs over Tahiti,
Speaker 1: I believe, and as just crazy went right over a
Speaker 1: palm trees and that video was so amazing and it
Speaker 1: was like at the time they had like a billion views.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's CGI, you know.
Speaker 1: They these people analyzed it enough to figure out that
Speaker 1: it was CGI, and that was early CGI.
Speaker 3: So the trees were all identical, Yes, I remember that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, now we're in trouble because you can you
Speaker 1: can create anything, you know, and anything can be created.
Speaker 2: So the video.
Speaker 3: Evidence right obviously took a big hit right now because
Speaker 3: you can create anything. So you have to be so
Speaker 3: careful now with any video evidence. But there was another
Speaker 3: I was going to say, there was a guy in
Speaker 3: Florida that was around the golf breeze time. And the
Speaker 3: guy in Florida has what I consider I mean, I
Speaker 3: didn't I never heard anybody debunk it, and I can't
Speaker 3: debunk it. But he's he's got his video camera trained
Speaker 3: on a on a UFO and then it shoots off
Speaker 3: and so that's really cool video. And I think, wow,
Speaker 3: that's so that's one of my favorites. But what I
Speaker 3: was going to say is, you know, for decades I've
Speaker 3: been looking for that that smoking gun. Evidence that that
Speaker 3: you know, with my own eyes looks to me like
Speaker 3: it can't be fake and it can't be a human
Speaker 3: you know. So and then at some point, you know,
Speaker 3: after the twenty seventeen or twenty nineteen whenever Fraverer came
Speaker 3: out with this sighting of the ticktac thing, yes, you know,
Speaker 3: at some point I thought, you know, I've been watching
Speaker 3: this for forty years, how many years? It is right,
Speaker 3: and there's so many credible people, and how could anybody
Speaker 3: be more credible than David Fraverer. And he saw it
Speaker 3: with his own eyes, and he saw it doing as
Speaker 3: you know, non human technology kind of motions, right, And
Speaker 3: so I just thought, why am I waiting for the
Speaker 3: smoking gun? I'm you know, I don't care, I don't
Speaker 3: care if I'm wrong. It looks to me. My best
Speaker 3: guess is that this is real. That's what I would say.
Speaker 3: So I finally decided like, okay, I'm on that. And so,
Speaker 3: after decades of sitting on that fence, I kind of
Speaker 3: jumped over and as soon as I jumped over, something
Speaker 3: really crazy happened. I didn't expect. But when you're sitting
Speaker 3: on the fence, you're trying to your real focus is
Speaker 3: is this real or is this not real? When you
Speaker 3: jump over the fence and you think this is real,
Speaker 3: that's when you realize every theory that is so wild,
Speaker 3: every ridiculous theory, could now be true. And that sort
Speaker 3: of shocked me because you can't really contemplate that, or
Speaker 3: believe that, or really buy into that if you're sitting
Speaker 3: on the fence. You have to jump over the fence
Speaker 3: and land on the other side before you can really
Speaker 3: feel that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I felt kind of the same when
Speaker 2: I first got into this.
Speaker 1: Now, I did have a UFO sighting, and I'm only
Speaker 1: saying that because that kind of already started me in
Speaker 1: the door with you know, this is real type of thing,
Speaker 1: because what I saw I can't figure even today. It
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like anything that would be our technology any.
Speaker 2: Type of way.
Speaker 1: But I felt that same way about the abductees and
Speaker 1: you know experiences as they're called today. You know, like
Speaker 1: I was having a really really hard time with that,
Speaker 1: and then I started, you know, thinking more about it.
Speaker 1: And I totally believe Travis Walton's story for one.
Speaker 2: And you know, and I wanted to make a point.
Speaker 1: This this weekend when I was talking about Travis Walton,
Speaker 1: and that is that if let's just say that you
Speaker 1: or I are just I'm just going to put myself there.
Speaker 1: I'm going to fake a story that you know, I
Speaker 1: was gone for five days and you know, and and
Speaker 1: all this happened his You would make it much more
Speaker 1: simple than his. You know, his is very very complicated,
Speaker 1: and he's I listened to a on Aizon Cinema, which
Speaker 1: is a great YouTube channel. I listened to his original
Speaker 1: very first interview, and it's exact. His story has remained
Speaker 1: exactly the same. There's not one iota of difference today
Speaker 1: than it was back then of what happened to him,
Speaker 1: you know, And and you know, I've tried to like
Speaker 1: ask him really interesting questions. Do you remember using the bathroom?
Speaker 1: You know, you know, because he was gone five days?
Speaker 1: What did you eat? Were there any smells? And but
Speaker 1: he always says it was really really hard to breathe,
Speaker 1: which makes sense, you know, which does make sense. And
Speaker 1: then you know, he you know, and then the beings
Speaker 1: that came that look like us, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: you just can't. I mean, it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: Things don't make any sense and are complicated. Like he
Speaker 1: walks out in this big hangar and you know, he
Speaker 1: sees another room. He goes into it and there's other beings.
Speaker 1: They don't have a fish bowl helmet on, and they look,
Speaker 1: you know, very like very attractive humans.
Speaker 2: That's what they look like to him. And they don't talk.
Speaker 1: He's talking to them, they're not communicating with him, you know,
Speaker 1: put a mask on him.
Speaker 2: He's out.
Speaker 1: And that's the last three members on the ship. You
Speaker 1: know that that type of thing. All I'm getting at is,
Speaker 1: you know, when you take that leap or whatever. I'm
Speaker 1: not necessarily saying that everyone that says they're an experiencer
Speaker 1: really did experience. I mean, they experienced something obviously, but
Speaker 1: but there are cases like his that stand out to me.
Speaker 1: In the Allegash incident and Pasca Goula incident, you know,
Speaker 1: those those are the ones that really really stand out.
Speaker 1: I wanted to say hi to everyone and chat, thank
Speaker 1: you all for being here and good to see you all.
Speaker 1: And you know, if you have questions as we go along,
Speaker 1: just please, uh, you know, put them in all caps.
Speaker 1: So so you're you have this interest and you're you
Speaker 1: have such a you worked for you did some work
Speaker 1: with NASA and uh and then Noah, all these different
Speaker 1: organizations through radar or things that you built or what
Speaker 1: can you I said a little.
Speaker 3: I started working at the National Center for Atmospheric Research,
Speaker 3: which is here in Boulder, Colorado, and it's, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: we make weather research radars for weather research. So there
Speaker 3: they're high quality, scientific grade research weather radars and some
Speaker 3: of them, you know, forty five foot dish, some of
Speaker 3: them are you know, a six foot dish. And also
Speaker 3: did light ours, which is laser radar, same thing looking
Speaker 3: for water vapor in that case. But you know, some
Speaker 3: of the technologies I worked on went into NASA things.
Speaker 3: I worked with NO groups to do some of their
Speaker 3: research on the P threes that go to the hurricanes.
Speaker 3: And I worked at NIST as well. So I've been
Speaker 3: there's a lot of government labs around here, and I've
Speaker 3: kind of been around some.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so how did you all of a sudden
Speaker 1: get this idea? How did it come to that if
Speaker 1: we set up basically a network, a nationwide network of
Speaker 1: passive radar, and at least explain to us what passive
Speaker 1: radar compared to direct radar. What's the other radar active
Speaker 1: active radar?
Speaker 2: That's it. Yeah, So what are the different Well, you know.
Speaker 3: Active radar, which is what we mostly do at the
Speaker 3: National Center for Atmosphere Search, but we do have passive
Speaker 3: radars there too. But an active radar is what you
Speaker 3: normally think of a radar. It's a dish with a
Speaker 3: very narrow beam. It shoots, it transmits a pulse high
Speaker 3: energy polls, goes out, it hits an airplane or something,
Speaker 3: and comes back a little bit later, and you receive
Speaker 3: that echo. That's what you call active radar. So passive
Speaker 3: radar is more or less the same thing, except for
Speaker 3: you're not transmitting. You're using somebody else's transmitter who will
Speaker 3: either transmit it on purpose for your purpose, or maybe
Speaker 3: they didn't. Maybe it's an FM radio station, maybe it's
Speaker 3: a digital TV radio station. And you can still use
Speaker 3: somebody's transmitting energy out there, and that energy is bouncing
Speaker 3: off objects that are in the sky, and so you
Speaker 3: can use a passive receiver. It's a receiver only, and
Speaker 3: you can actually detect that echo. So yeah, there's they've
Speaker 3: been using this since the thirties. In the thirties they
Speaker 3: had to detect the England was using these receivers they had.
Speaker 3: They had a receiver that was pointing out over the
Speaker 3: channel where the German airplanes might be coming in where
Speaker 3: it was the antenns were pointed in such a way
Speaker 3: they couldn't pick up BBC, but if an airplane got
Speaker 3: in there, it would reflect the BBC signal. They could
Speaker 3: pick it up and they knew there was an airplane
Speaker 3: come in their way. So they were doing this in
Speaker 3: the thirties, So you know it's not a new idea,
Speaker 3: but you know it's a lot more sophisticated nowadays because
Speaker 3: we can use correlation techniques to not only figure out
Speaker 3: the presence of that signal, but get the time delay.
Speaker 3: So the time delay you can do by by grabbing
Speaker 3: a sample of the of the direct signal and comparing
Speaker 3: it to the echo and you can measure that delay.
Speaker 3: And the delay is you know, the path length of
Speaker 3: the signal going out to the object and coming back.
Speaker 3: So just like in active radar, where you're measuring that
Speaker 3: time delay and that tells you the distance. Same thing
Speaker 3: that with passive radar too.
Speaker 1: Now a lot, not a lot, but a number of
Speaker 1: times I've heard over the years that a UFO doesn't
Speaker 1: show up on radar. You don't know if it has
Speaker 1: some type of stealth technology or whatever it is. That
Speaker 1: would be discouraging if this all gets set in place
Speaker 1: and then, But a lot of them do are seen
Speaker 1: on radar. And I'm not sure if you're familiar with
Speaker 1: the Jack Buschong case, the weather case in Michigan in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four, not by name, okay, Jack Bouchong. He
Speaker 1: was a weather It was a weather He was a
Speaker 1: weather person and working with weather radar and looking at
Speaker 1: something that ascended instantly to five thousand feet and then
Speaker 1: up to ten thousand feet and was all over Lake Michigan,
Speaker 1: I believe was Michigan. But I'll send you that information
Speaker 1: because I just think for your own interest you may
Speaker 1: really want to take a look at that one in particular.
Speaker 1: But so we have a couple of questions in here.
Speaker 1: Let me just pop them up and we'll get through
Speaker 1: them real quickly. Are you part of MOPAS study, m
Speaker 1: up AS study.
Speaker 2: Do you know what that is?
Speaker 1: If you don't know what that is, you're not part
Speaker 1: of it. Okay, all right, so that answers that there's
Speaker 1: another one here. Are you incorporating the information you get
Speaker 1: with passive r F radar data with UFO hunting. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's what this is all about, right.
Speaker 2: Basically it is.
Speaker 3: But I mean we're not quite there yet too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. Yeah, Well we'll go as we go
Speaker 2: along here.
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, yeah, that's what this is for the
Speaker 3: whole Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The real question is are we integrating on other data?
Speaker 3: That's because our data that we collect is for UFOs.
Speaker 3: That's the whole point.
Speaker 1: M And how how exactly would this network? I know
Speaker 1: you have a plan of like if you had so
Speaker 1: many units throughout, saye, for instance, throughout the United States
Speaker 1: in certain areas, can you kind of explain how that
Speaker 1: would work?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean maybe it would help if I back
Speaker 3: up a little bit and kind of paying a bigger picture. Sure,
Speaker 3: maybe can drill down a little bit, but yeah, that
Speaker 3: makes sense. Historically, it was about two thousand or so
Speaker 3: I came across Peter Davenport's paper. Peter Davenport is the
Speaker 3: director of the National UFO Reporting Center, and he published
Speaker 3: a paper I think it was ninety.
Speaker 2: Five someone just wrote about that right in chat here.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, So it came out. I didn't see
Speaker 3: it until about two thousand. It said, hey, I want
Speaker 3: to use why don't we use passive radar for UFO detection. Well,
Speaker 3: I had just built a bunch of passive radar receivers
Speaker 3: for weather and knew everything about it. So I contacted
Speaker 3: Peter and said, I can help you out here fast forward,
Speaker 3: like it always turned doubt that all these things are
Speaker 3: hobby projects, you know, And do I have time to
Speaker 3: work on it? You know, it's always a question. I
Speaker 3: would love to work on it, but whereas you know,
Speaker 3: I have a full time job. So what do you do?
Speaker 3: So around I don't know. It's like twenty eighteen or
Speaker 3: so I realized, hey, wait a minute, they've come out
Speaker 3: with these digital you know, software defined radios. Just a
Speaker 3: little dongle that costs twenty five bucks that you can
Speaker 3: plug into your computer, and all of a sudden you
Speaker 3: have a receiver that you can tune to any channel.
Speaker 3: And I thought, well this is great because you know,
Speaker 3: the big you know, a really annoying part of making
Speaker 3: a passive radars you have to make the receiver. That's
Speaker 3: kind of what it is the receiver here. You already
Speaker 3: have the receiver now, it's just the software that that
Speaker 3: processes it. So I started messing around with passive radar.
Speaker 3: Then I contacted Peter Davenport again, you know, kept up
Speaker 3: with them about this new technology, and I'm playing with it,
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. And then you know, I'll get
Speaker 3: the dates wrong. But was twenty twenty one where Avi
Speaker 3: Lobe announced the start of the Galileo project, and I
Speaker 3: remember reading about it. I remember the plan because I
Speaker 3: saw the plan was he wanted to get these half
Speaker 3: half meter telescopes one hundred of them or fifty I
Speaker 3: think fifty one hundred, I don't know, and put them
Speaker 3: all around the country. I looked at was there were
Speaker 3: a million dollars apiece. So I thought, okay, fifty million dollars,
Speaker 3: got it, and they're gonna look for UFOs. And the
Speaker 3: first thing I thought is you can't really find a
Speaker 3: UFO with the telescope that doesn't work. Telescope has this
Speaker 3: super narrow, you know, rained field of view that you're
Speaker 3: never gonna you're not going to detect the UFO if
Speaker 3: there was, if he knew where one was you can
Speaker 3: point at it, but you're not going to detect. So
Speaker 3: I thought, I, you know, that group needs me. So
Speaker 3: I contacted Avi Lobe and by the way, he he's
Speaker 3: infamous or famous for he's really good at replying to emails.
Speaker 2: I can't believe it.
Speaker 3: So within fifteen minutes he had replied to me like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's interesting, because I said, you know, you might need
Speaker 3: a passive radar to tell you where to point your telescopes,
Speaker 3: you know. So then I took me a little while
Speaker 3: to kind of convince the Galileo project that I should
Speaker 3: be a team member. And I got on and I
Speaker 3: started to develop that you know, prototype, and I felt,
Speaker 3: even though it's still hobby project, a little bit more motivated,
Speaker 3: you know, because I'm working with a team of like,
Speaker 3: this is a really impressive team. Their project is full
Speaker 3: of really top notch scientists that have really great personalities
Speaker 3: and everything. It's like a really nice group, and you know,
Speaker 3: I worked with them and I did develop the first prototype.
Speaker 3: And by the way, when I got the first prototype
Speaker 3: to work, it kind of blew my mind because I
Speaker 3: had worked on passive radar for weather research, but I
Speaker 3: had never worked on it for you know, point target detection.
Speaker 3: And when I got my first image, and this is
Speaker 3: really cool, this passive radar, because you know, I'm using
Speaker 3: FM radios, as they called the transmitter of opportunity, So
Speaker 3: I'm taking advantage of FM transmitters that are around. They're
Speaker 3: really actually transmitting a tremendous amount of power, like one
Speaker 3: hundred thousand watts equivalent power. They're transmitting in all directions. Wow,
Speaker 3: So you know I'm used to you know, when you
Speaker 3: have weather radar, you're transmitting a beam, a pencil beam,
Speaker 3: kind of just like a flashlight beam, right, it's just
Speaker 3: in one direction. But here it's transmitting in all directions.
Speaker 3: And then I'm using an antenna that's also omnidirectional that
Speaker 3: I'm picking up in all directions. So when I get
Speaker 3: the receiver signal the echoes, I'm actually seeing everything that's
Speaker 3: in the sky within like one hundred mile radius. And
Speaker 3: so my first time I saw detections, I saw like
Speaker 3: fifty things. I'm like, WHOA. So it's really incredible what
Speaker 3: you can do. It's all it is is a radar receiver,
Speaker 3: but then some software on the back end to process
Speaker 3: it and figure out those the correlations and the distances.
Speaker 2: So how do you weed out like a.
Speaker 1: Bird or how do you weed out things planes, birds
Speaker 1: and other things that you typically can see in the sky.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's all sorts of things you have
Speaker 3: to do to the data to kind of clean it
Speaker 3: up like that A big thing you can do. You know,
Speaker 3: the number one thing we would do if we were
Speaker 3: installing this is you also have an ADSB receiver. So
Speaker 3: if no one's heard of the ADSB all airplanes now
Speaker 3: and more and more, it's may become a standard that's required,
Speaker 3: but it's pretty much a ninety five percent of all
Speaker 3: aircraft have a transponder and they're constantly sending out their
Speaker 3: position and their velocity, you know, as measured by GPS,
Speaker 3: so really accurate measure of their position velocity, and so
Speaker 3: you can you can find out which dot corresponds to
Speaker 3: which airplane like instantly and cancel out ninety five percent
Speaker 3: of all airplanes I see, and then you're left with
Speaker 3: you know, birds are kind of easy to cancel because
Speaker 3: because you can't really see them after a couple of kilometers.
Speaker 3: After ten kilometers, you're not seeing any birds because they're
Speaker 3: just too small. And you know, there's so there's a
Speaker 3: lot of things like that where even just the ADSB
Speaker 3: receiver would pretty much make you give you a blank
Speaker 3: display except UFOs. So I'm exaggerating a little bit, but
Speaker 3: you're You're off to a good start, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But let me let me just go on a little
Speaker 3: bit to kind of paint the big picture and we
Speaker 3: can dive into some questions. But I just want to
Speaker 3: say that the gal LEYO project didn't have the exact
Speaker 3: same direction as I do. They have. Their idea is
Speaker 3: to make a high quality you know station, multi instrument station,
Speaker 3: and then if an object goes over that, they can
Speaker 3: measure everything about it. Like they have emission detectors, they
Speaker 3: have particle detectors, they have you know, optical telescopes. So
Speaker 3: they have this radar, they have all these things that
Speaker 3: would measure it all at once and get all these
Speaker 3: parameters on it. To me, I have this experience with
Speaker 3: the storm chasing radar trucks. You are you aware of those? Yes,
Speaker 3: might have seen them on TV right. They there is
Speaker 3: a radar weather radar on a truck and the point
Speaker 3: of them is they want to study tornadoes. We've always
Speaker 3: been you know, whether research wanted to study tornados, but
Speaker 3: they never come by our big thirty foot dish systems
Speaker 3: that are on a concrete pad. Right, how often does
Speaker 3: a tornado fly by? So you know, in terms of
Speaker 3: instrument design, we decided, well, we got to take the
Speaker 3: instrument to the tornado. That's how you're going to get
Speaker 3: tornado data. So we made a mobile truck that did that.
Speaker 3: So you know that is burnt into my memory or
Speaker 3: run to my you know DNA. That that's part of
Speaker 3: instrument design. You don't want to just have a good
Speaker 3: quality instrument, but you need to get data. And who
Speaker 3: cares if you have a good instrument and never sees
Speaker 3: a UFO And I've never seen one, so what are
Speaker 3: you know, what are the chances of one person you know,
Speaker 3: or one fixed sight having a UFO fly over it?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's always been the problem.
Speaker 1: That's why science hasn't really taken this seriously in a
Speaker 1: long time, because it's a bleeding situation. You know, it's right,
Speaker 1: like something repeatable.
Speaker 3: So, oh, I have so much to say about that.
Speaker 3: In fact, it's I mean, that's such a stumbling block
Speaker 3: for science. Science has a real problem with the experiments
Speaker 3: that aren't repeatable, right, I think. I think I once
Speaker 3: I tweeted a tweeted a thing where it said uf
Speaker 3: A witness. I saw a UFO and scientists, can you
Speaker 3: repeat it? Witness?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: Scientists? Okay, bye? You know, like, yeah, what do you do?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: But anyway, uh So my thought was, I need to
Speaker 3: this needs to be all over the country because wherever
Speaker 3: a UFO is, I want to have this radar receiving it.
Speaker 3: And it's just since it's just a receiver. But then
Speaker 3: with sophisticated software, no one cares if the software is
Speaker 3: sophisticated because that doesn't cost anything, right, and the receiver
Speaker 3: is not that costly either, So this could be something
Speaker 3: that you could duplicate and put all over the place.
Speaker 3: But then you have a problem. You know, you don't
Speaker 3: want to staff that with scientists. You know, that's just
Speaker 3: impractical to have those all over the country and have
Speaker 3: a Galileo Project scientist on each one. You know, we
Speaker 3: just there's just not enough people to do that. So
Speaker 3: it has to be something more plug and play, more
Speaker 3: like a consumer project product. So that's where this kind
Speaker 3: of whole thing births from. It's like, wow, passive radar
Speaker 3: is incredible, but also, you know, let's get it everywhere
Speaker 3: so that our statistics get up, and then you know,
Speaker 3: since we have it everywhere, it's got to be citizens science.
Speaker 3: So you can see the logic progression there. It seems
Speaker 3: like a pretty reasonable direction to go.
Speaker 2: Before we go much further than that.
Speaker 1: When you say plug and play, is there an aspect
Speaker 1: of whatever the equipment is out of doors, like so
Speaker 1: it can be out in the open and catch something
Speaker 1: or is this something internal in a home?
Speaker 3: I mean it would it would be like a modem
Speaker 3: kind of a thing that's in your home, but there
Speaker 3: would be a record that goes out to some kind
Speaker 3: of antenna on the roof.
Speaker 2: I see.
Speaker 1: Okay, And that was a question here that was what
Speaker 1: type of antenna and radius submitter are you using for
Speaker 1: the passive radar?
Speaker 2: That's a question.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well one thing is that remember there's no emitter, so okay,
Speaker 1: it's only coming in.
Speaker 2: So that's why it's called passive basically, right.
Speaker 3: And by the way, some people have said, like I
Speaker 3: don't want to be, you know, announcing to the aliens
Speaker 3: that I'm looking for them. No, you're just receiving, So
Speaker 3: you're totally delf. Nobody knows you're doing this.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, yeah, only I see so.
Speaker 1: Uh and and would it be all this information be
Speaker 1: fed real time into some type of server.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, so how it works. So, now, let's say
Speaker 3: you have all these receivers all across the country, all
Speaker 3: picking up all these echoes from all sorts of things
Speaker 3: in the sky. That has to get combined in a
Speaker 3: kind of a pyramid server kind of style. So you know,
Speaker 3: there'd be a server local to several receivers that would
Speaker 3: combine them, and then that information will go to the
Speaker 3: second pyramid and part of the pyramid, and it would
Speaker 3: all get combined into like a national database that could
Speaker 3: be displayed just like you can go to you know,
Speaker 3: flight Aware and you can see all the airplanes flying
Speaker 3: over America I have. Yeah, you'd see a map that's
Speaker 3: like here's all the UFOs over America. That's kind of idea.
Speaker 3: And you know it does work. So one receiver, one receiver.
Speaker 3: Since it's an omnidirectional antenna and omni ejectritional receiver, you
Speaker 3: only know a delay, so you can you can't really
Speaker 3: localize one of the points on a single receiver. It
Speaker 3: has to be mixed with actually takes four to get
Speaker 3: an exact position. So that's where the grid comes in
Speaker 3: to make sure there's enough so that anything in the
Speaker 3: sky would be measured by four receivers. And if you
Speaker 3: work out those numbers, it's about about a thirty kilometer
Speaker 3: grid mesh of receivers across the country, which is about
Speaker 3: ten thousand receivers. So that's where the numbers come from.
Speaker 3: But on the other hand, if you had four receivers
Speaker 3: in one city, that'd be enough to see anything that
Speaker 3: goes over that city because they can see out one
Speaker 3: hundred kilometers, which is way bigger than a city.
Speaker 2: How would this could this work?
Speaker 1: And some And I'm getting a lot of questions also
Speaker 1: even I didn't even do that.
Speaker 2: I don't know how that happened.
Speaker 1: But I'm getting a lot of questions, even from you know, Bill,
Speaker 1: who you talked to, you know before we went live.
Speaker 2: He's got a couple of questions too.
Speaker 1: So all right, say, first of all, is this something
Speaker 1: that you you're working to get? This has to be
Speaker 1: funded more, and I believe you're you're looking for a
Speaker 1: philanthrothist or someone to help with this, because this is
Speaker 1: a major amount of money to get this thing rolling.
Speaker 2: Is that where it is at this point?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean just to let you know, so I'm
Speaker 3: very familiar with these kind of project developments. This is
Speaker 3: like a six million dollar project. So what I'm talking
Speaker 3: about is the NRI the non recoverable engineering costs to
Speaker 3: turn this into a consumer product with a you know,
Speaker 3: a sales department, a you know, shipping and receiving, and
Speaker 3: the infrastructure to support the customers and all that stuff. Manufacturing,
Speaker 3: everything that goes into consumer product we're going to put
Speaker 3: together and then that the you know, that's about a
Speaker 3: twenty four month development cycle where we do prototypes, we
Speaker 3: do some studies with universities, select universities work with us.
Speaker 3: Until the end of twenty four months, we have a
Speaker 3: product where you can then go on a website and
Speaker 3: click and buy this thing and put it, you know,
Speaker 3: set it up in your house and you plug the
Speaker 3: Ethernet teable probably you tell it the Wi Fi address right,
Speaker 3: and you're done.
Speaker 2: So that then it just that's part of it. An idea.
Speaker 2: Say say that you took.
Speaker 1: Four of these, you can you set up like a
Speaker 1: small part to begin with, just for testing, just so
Speaker 1: you can pitch it like if, for instance, if you
Speaker 1: actually caught something that was anomalous and unexplainable and all that,
Speaker 1: then I think you could really pitch this thing to
Speaker 1: get you know, the funding, because if it shows that
Speaker 1: there could be a path forward, and then you know,
Speaker 1: can you imagine.
Speaker 2: How that could work out?
Speaker 1: And could there ever be an aspect of being able
Speaker 1: to get an image or video or anything of what
Speaker 1: is being detected? You know, I know that you're saying
Speaker 1: it can be what did you say, eighty kilometers away
Speaker 1: or whatever? But is there a way that there could
Speaker 1: be some type of other evidence besides just this passive radar?
Speaker 3: Let's see are you asking? I thought I heard two questions.
Speaker 3: One is can you make a little mini version of this?
Speaker 3: And the second I thought I heard was can it
Speaker 3: be combined with other instruments? Do you get that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? There there is two questions.
Speaker 1: But I'm just trying to think, you know, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about this the way the skeptic will look at this.
Speaker 1: They're always trying to, you know, figure out you know,
Speaker 1: an answer that's not obviously not like a UFO, And
Speaker 1: one of them would be Okay, well we got this
Speaker 1: passive radar we triangulated and we watched this thing, you know,
Speaker 1: go like ten thousand miles an hour and make a
Speaker 1: right turn.
Speaker 2: That would be pretty very very convincing, right if you
Speaker 2: have something like that.
Speaker 1: But but they're also well, there was no video of it,
Speaker 1: you know, you know what I mean, there was no
Speaker 1: witnesses there. You know that you get all those naysayers
Speaker 1: and I'm just wondering if there was.
Speaker 2: So that was two questions.
Speaker 1: But do you ever foresee a time like if this
Speaker 1: was built up, that there would be other added features,
Speaker 1: for say the cooperation.
Speaker 3: Sure, I didn't even you know, there's a lot to
Speaker 3: this that I didn't even touch on because so far
Speaker 3: we just talked about passive radar. This is actually like
Speaker 3: I don't know if trifecta is too strong a word,
Speaker 3: but we foresee, what we're trying to build is three
Speaker 3: things in one, we want a human database, something like
Speaker 3: the National UFO Reporting Center or some other database where
Speaker 3: people call in and report what they've seen with their
Speaker 3: own eyes. We want also we want the passive rate
Speaker 3: that's detecting whatever objects in the sky. And the third
Speaker 3: thing is a UFO app, and the idea behind the
Speaker 3: UFO app is it's connected to the radar in a
Speaker 3: way where I mean, we all know that there's all
Speaker 3: sorts of UFOs. I think there's all sorts of UFOs
Speaker 3: flying around that people never film. They say they witness something,
Speaker 3: but they don't pull out their camera. Right here, you
Speaker 3: could have the radar could see something coming, you know,
Speaker 3: fifty miles before it's going to get to your house,
Speaker 3: and it could send you an alert and said, run
Speaker 3: outside and point your phone up into the sky to
Speaker 3: the southwest because there's something on its way. So you
Speaker 3: could be ready with your phone, ready to record objects
Speaker 3: based on what the radar has predicted is going to
Speaker 3: come your way.
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 3: You know, if you've ever had the stargazing apps, you
Speaker 3: know that your phone knows exactly where the camera's looking. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So that information is available to be recorded with the video.
Speaker 3: So there's no reason that you can't take that IMU data,
Speaker 3: the inertial measurement unit that's on your phone and attach
Speaker 3: it to the video so that when researchers have your video,
Speaker 3: they not only see the dot in the sky, but
Speaker 3: they see how your phone is moving. And then if
Speaker 3: multiple people can see that at once with their apps,
Speaker 3: which they should be able to because now we're going
Speaker 3: to give them advanced notice to run outside. Then you
Speaker 3: can triangulate.
Speaker 2: So that's a.
Speaker 3: Completely independent measurement of the same phenomena that the radar
Speaker 3: would be measuring. And plus, if you had an eyewitness,
Speaker 3: there would be eyewitness that you might also have other eyewitnesses,
Speaker 3: or you could even have an adduction or something like
Speaker 3: that that somebody phoned in that has a radar sighting
Speaker 3: over the top of it. So, to me, the holy
Speaker 3: grail of a UFO report is that you have that
Speaker 3: app as an independent measurement of some weird motion in
Speaker 3: the sky from some object. Maybe you can even see
Speaker 3: the shape of it. You have the radar data of it,
Speaker 3: and you have eyewitness reporting of it. You know, let's
Speaker 3: give that to some scientific group and see if they
Speaker 3: can make any sense out of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's that's all. That's all great. And so
Speaker 1: the first part of the question, have you ever considered
Speaker 1: like a small set of say four or is it
Speaker 1: just so involved that you have to get into the
Speaker 1: software and the server and all that I mean is
Speaker 1: it would be difficult to test with say four of
Speaker 1: them in a certain hotspot location or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah. In fact, for the Galileo project, we set up
Speaker 3: five and then and so we recorded data from five things,
Speaker 3: and then it came you know, all the data came
Speaker 3: to me and there's Mitch, I'll do everything with it. Well,
Speaker 3: that's actually kind of a big job. And that's when
Speaker 3: I you know, that's when I came up with this idea,
Speaker 3: like I think this should be a national project. I
Speaker 3: think it should have funding so that I can actually
Speaker 3: work on it without losing my day job, you know,
Speaker 3: for no pay. So you know, it came down to
Speaker 3: kind of practicality, and it actually come for me. It
Speaker 3: comes down to two things. One is practicality because actually
Speaker 3: I would love to work on this, and I've found
Speaker 3: that I have to be so careful to make sure
Speaker 3: I don't work on this because it will totally consume
Speaker 3: me and then I'll lose my day job. So I
Speaker 3: have to It's a it sucks me right in because
Speaker 3: I love it so much. So that's one thing. But
Speaker 3: the second thing is, you know I've already shown actually
Speaker 3: not only have I shown that I can detect those objects,
Speaker 3: but you can buy a radar. You can buy like
Speaker 3: there's like ten companies that make passive radars that will
Speaker 3: show you what's in the sky. The problem is they
Speaker 3: cost two and a half million dollars, three million dollars,
Speaker 3: four million dollars, so you're not going to have ten
Speaker 3: thousand of those around the country. That's not practical, and
Speaker 3: probably you can't even buy one because it's you know,
Speaker 3: a millilitary thing that you available to people. But they
Speaker 3: have them. You can see them on the internet. You
Speaker 3: can look up just look up passive radar on the
Speaker 3: internet and you'll see, you know, you'll see video some
Speaker 3: guide demoing the passive radar. You can see everything in
Speaker 3: the sky to two hundred and fifty kilometers. So there's
Speaker 3: no doubt that this technology works. In fact, I based
Speaker 3: my first prototype off a paper that was written in
Speaker 3: two thousand and five, you know whatever, almost twenty years
Speaker 3: before I started working on it, that was contemplating whether
Speaker 3: it was done by NATO, contemplating whether they should change
Speaker 3: all the FAA, their their version of FAA in Europe
Speaker 3: over to passive radars. You know that people are taking
Speaker 3: it very seriously. It's very mature technology. You know. It's
Speaker 3: maybe another another way to prove that it's valuable is
Speaker 3: to know that it's it's regular by ITAR, so the
Speaker 3: international Trade and Arms regulations. So you can't just build
Speaker 3: a if you're not careful. You can't just build one
Speaker 3: of these radars and get away and sell it without
Speaker 3: violating a law. Because they're so valuable. They can be
Speaker 3: used for targeting and for war.
Speaker 1: So you know, so what would So so you're you're
Speaker 1: talking about a major cost, but you have another idea
Speaker 1: for you know, this is going.
Speaker 2: To be your your.
Speaker 1: Dream here is for this to be more of a
Speaker 1: grassroots type of situation. And so where can a price
Speaker 1: level go where someone can afford to have some plug
Speaker 1: and play type of situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, once we do what was called I told
Speaker 3: you that non recoverable engineering is like this six million
Speaker 3: dollar kind of number where we build this all out,
Speaker 3: build all the touoeling the molding, get the infrastructure all
Speaker 3: set up to sell all that stuff, and then once
Speaker 3: it's for sale, it's like five hundred bucks. So you know,
Speaker 3: if you for forty five years, we can find ten
Speaker 3: thousand people across the country that can afford five hundred
Speaker 3: dollars to answer the question of are we alone? And
Speaker 3: I think we can because I'm inundated, by the way,
Speaker 3: with people who want to buy it.
Speaker 2: Yes, I've had a you know, someone already asked me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah through a text. Yeah, so yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's really something. So we have a couple of questions.
Speaker 1: I know, we unfortunately, I have something extremely early in
Speaker 1: the morning, and we can't go longer than the regular
Speaker 1: time tonight. I mean, I'd love to talk for but
Speaker 1: we've got you know, like less than ten minutes left here,
Speaker 1: So maybe we can answer some of these questions here.
Speaker 1: Could plasma reflections be a reason for why some of
Speaker 1: these objects are being detected? I feel that usos underwater
Speaker 1: would be more likely detected because of the loss of electrons.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, we get reflections off of any metal objects,
Speaker 3: anything are conductive or plasma which is conductive, so we
Speaker 3: can see reflections off that stuff. We're not measuring emissions,
Speaker 3: so if it, you know, that's not what we're measuring.
Speaker 3: And like you touched on this earlier, some people, you know,
Speaker 3: maybe these some of these things are stealth mode, you know,
Speaker 3: and they're trying to the block radiation. Who knows, But
Speaker 3: that's okay because over the history of UFOs, plenty of
Speaker 3: UFOs have been seen on radar. That's you know, so
Speaker 3: that's fine. You know, people have told me. In fact,
Speaker 3: once I was presenting this to a group and I said,
Speaker 3: I think we'll see a UFO every week if we
Speaker 3: have this setup. Because if by the way, if you
Speaker 3: ever had followed the National UFO Reporting Center, I remember
Speaker 3: Peter Davenport back in the nineties said, hey, if you
Speaker 3: don't believe in UFO, sit with me one night, and
Speaker 3: then you know that you can see him fly over
Speaker 3: Wyoming and then it goes over to Nebraska. You know,
Speaker 3: you can just watch the whole thing. And so, you know,
Speaker 3: I said that to this group. I said, I think
Speaker 3: we'll you know, we'll see like every week. We'll have
Speaker 3: a case that we could prove UFOs are real every week.
Speaker 3: And he said. Some guys said, oh no, probably maybe
Speaker 3: once a month, and I go, okay, I'll take it
Speaker 3: once a month, that's fine.
Speaker 2: How about one just one exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it was great meeting up. I met Peter Davin
Speaker 1: what I'm sure you did. You saw him there at
Speaker 1: the contact of the desert. That was really great to
Speaker 1: meet him.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: Here's another question here is my understanding was that there
Speaker 1: are strict FCC guidelines on using passive our refeerrator.
Speaker 2: How does your program work with those restrictions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the restrictions are I tire the International Trade and
Speaker 3: Arms for regulations, and we just make sure that we're
Speaker 3: not within their jurisdiction by changing our parameters, so they
Speaker 3: were just out of their bounds. So we're fine, and
Speaker 3: we're you know, we're receive only so yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: you would even question why there's even any regulations that
Speaker 3: could affect it because they're my signals.
Speaker 2: But anyway, Yeah, another one here.
Speaker 1: If such passive radiar array gets reflections from a drone swarm,
Speaker 1: how much information are they getting about the individual drones
Speaker 1: in that swarm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you always have this issue of whether there's always
Speaker 3: a range gate size issue, so you have a minimum
Speaker 3: resolution where you can define, you know, what's one thing
Speaker 3: versus what's two things. And you know, as far as
Speaker 3: like I'll tell you any little swarm of drones that's
Speaker 3: near you, you're going to have a hard time, you know,
Speaker 3: counting all the drones. And where this thing really excels
Speaker 3: the stuff in the atmosphere that's pretty far up and
Speaker 3: that's where it's prime. That's where the sweet spot really is.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I would love to have these set
Speaker 3: up during all that New Jersey stuff because one thing,
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, even if you can't count the drones, we
Speaker 3: could have seen where they were going, where they came,
Speaker 3: where are they going to?
Speaker 1: Like that's a big question. Where'd they come from? Where
Speaker 1: they where did they go?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know if they go straight up into space,
Speaker 3: we'd see it and it and you know the cool
Speaker 3: thing about passive radar. It could be raining, it could
Speaker 3: be snowing, it could be wow, complete fog. It could
Speaker 3: be a night, the dead and knight. I mean, we
Speaker 3: always talk about lights in the sky only because we
Speaker 3: don't see the UFOs that aren't lit up. We only
Speaker 3: see the ones that are lit up. There could be
Speaker 3: UFOs flying over all the time that don't have self illumination.
Speaker 3: This thing will see them. You know.
Speaker 1: There was someone I talked to one time that said
Speaker 1: they were basically laying on a blanket on their back,
Speaker 1: just looking up at a meteor shower, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden they saw a triangular black stars, a shape
Speaker 1: of black stars being blacked out in a triangular moving.
Speaker 2: Over the sky. No lights.
Speaker 1: I mean that that was remarkable. That would be really
Speaker 1: something else. Let's see, if I'm going to catch all
Speaker 1: these questions, here's a what about tornadoes? This question is
Speaker 1: about tornadoes probability and prediction. Right, my remembered experience includes
Speaker 1: being warned by NHI about tornadoes five minutes later. Can
Speaker 1: you imagine a predictive AI that precise?
Speaker 2: I mean, we really haven't had much time to talk.
Speaker 1: About AI, but would there be AI involved in any
Speaker 1: of this?
Speaker 3: Well, to answer that question specifically, I mean, if if
Speaker 3: we had a system that would reliably detect UFOs, because,
Speaker 3: by the way, this would be so much more reliable
Speaker 3: than witness eyewitnesses because of what we were talking about,
Speaker 3: especially in severe weather, Like in severe weather, it's all
Speaker 3: full of cloud there's clouds, there's hail, there's everything wind blowing,
Speaker 3: and you're probably inside hiding, you know. But if we
Speaker 3: had that data, we could make those correlations. And I'm
Speaker 3: not aware of any you know, I didn't hear that
Speaker 3: correlation between tornadoes and UFO sighting, so I'm not aware
Speaker 3: of that at all, but certainly this data would help
Speaker 3: and could go into somebody's database and they could figure
Speaker 3: out those statistics and then as far as AI. Of
Speaker 3: course this is ripe to throw AI on to look
Speaker 3: for patterns. Still for different things. It's not required because
Speaker 3: the equations to do triangulation don't require AI, so that's
Speaker 3: not a prerequisite to this. But certainly like maybe flagging
Speaker 3: things that look weird, you know that that could be
Speaker 3: an AI, you know, alarms or whatever. But we're going
Speaker 3: to record all the data so that you know, if
Speaker 3: maybe you don't even know anything happened until two weeks
Speaker 3: later someone says they saw something in the sky, you
Speaker 3: could go back two weeks ago and then look at
Speaker 3: the data there and see if there was a reflection
Speaker 3: that was overlooked.
Speaker 1: Now this antenna, would this be something like on a
Speaker 1: rooftop or something where they get a broad view of
Speaker 1: open space?
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, I mean be very much like a TV antenna,
Speaker 3: you know, And I know that there's hoa rules nowadays,
Speaker 3: you know whatever, But all we need is ten thousand sites, right,
Speaker 3: and ten thousand people who are able to put up
Speaker 3: a TV antenna and you know, maybe or a TV
Speaker 3: intent a looking thing and you know, maybe it doesn't
Speaker 3: fit every single scenario. You know, maybe you have an
Speaker 3: apartment in the on the tenth floor of a twenty
Speaker 3: store story building, and you can't really even get your
Speaker 3: antenna anywhere, you know, So there's definitely a use case
Speaker 3: that makes sense here. But we're just going to do
Speaker 3: the best we can, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had a lot of weird thoughts, you know,
Speaker 1: in my mind over the years. But one of the
Speaker 1: things I was thinking one time, I was talking about
Speaker 1: this person that laid out on the grass and looked
Speaker 1: up at the sky, which I've done a lot, and
Speaker 1: whether it's a hot tub or whatever, I love looking
Speaker 1: up at this the night sky. And I've always wondered, like,
Speaker 1: if you had a camera in one location looking right
Speaker 1: up wherever you're at for a hundred years, I imagined
Speaker 1: you'd see amazing, amazing things, you know, UFOs and you know.
Speaker 1: I mean I saw a fireball one time. That's just
Speaker 1: it was such an astonishing thing because as it was round.
Speaker 1: I've to explained this a couple of times, but.
Speaker 2: It was so weird. The fireball I saw was perfectly round,
Speaker 2: it was rotating, It had cracks that looked like lava,
Speaker 2: and the cracks and sparks flying out of it.
Speaker 1: I Mean, the weirdest thing this is in the eighties
Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean the weird things you see when
Speaker 1: you're here outside, I mean.
Speaker 2: They have forever.
Speaker 3: So so you know, when you when you talk about
Speaker 3: putting a camera up, it's a great idea, but there's
Speaker 3: a couple issues about it. One is, you have a
Speaker 3: lot of video that you're never going to look through,
Speaker 3: so you definitely you need some kind of automated system
Speaker 3: that's going to detect weird things. Yeah, and then it
Speaker 3: would be a great idea, but you know, it's not
Speaker 3: as great as is the radar. For one thing, if
Speaker 3: you just put it, Let's say you put ten cameras
Speaker 3: pointing in ten different directions on your roof, so you're
Speaker 3: getting like full sky coverage. Cameras can only see, you know,
Speaker 3: if something is ten kilometers away, it's a dot or
Speaker 3: invisible on a camera. That's kind of like the limit
Speaker 3: of a camera unless it's super bright, you know, but
Speaker 3: how many we don't know anything about. You know what
Speaker 3: if it's not super bright, and then you know, here
Speaker 3: in contrast, you know, the radar can see out one
Speaker 3: hundred kilometers and it also is measuring velocity at the
Speaker 3: same time, so there's a very big difference between a
Speaker 3: radar and a and a camera. Sure, in fact, the
Speaker 3: likelihood are we running out of time?
Speaker 2: We are unfortunately? Yes, okay, against it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead to get it one, you know, thirty
Speaker 3: second sentence or ten seconds. Yeah, I guess the chance
Speaker 3: of seeing something in the sky is proportional to the
Speaker 3: volume you're seeing, the volume you're looking at, and the
Speaker 3: volume is the cube of the radius. So if you
Speaker 3: can see ten kilometers, let's call that. Let's just normalize
Speaker 3: that and say that's a one. If you could see
Speaker 3: a hundred kilometers, that's like whatever. Ten thousand times more volume,
Speaker 3: ten thousand more chance times have a chance that you're
Speaker 3: going to see something.
Speaker 1: Makes a great point. Yes, all right, Well, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. It's been a real pleasure. I really enjoyed
Speaker 1: talking and I wish you could have been longer. But
Speaker 1: I hope to have you back on, especially if you
Speaker 1: get this thing rolling, and i'd like to if you do,
Speaker 1: I'd like to help out with that any way I can,
Speaker 1: So thanks so much.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me on. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: All right, SkyWatch, can someone find you SkyWatch?
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Speaker 3: thank you, bye bye, thanks bye.
Speaker 1: All right everyone, so we'll be back this Thursday at
Speaker 1: a pm Eastern with Stacey Wright, and next week as
Speaker 1: I mentioned, with Don Schmid.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much.
Speaker 1: Remember to keep your eyes to the sky. They