WEBVTT 1 00:00:14.439 --> 00:00:17.039 Hello, and welcome to the show at Martin Willershure, host, 2 00:00:17.480 --> 00:00:22.320 and just got back this morning from Sedona, Arizona and 3 00:00:22.399 --> 00:00:25.440 the Skyfire Summit with Travis Walton. Had a wonderful time 4 00:00:25.440 --> 00:00:28.559 out there, what beautiful scenery it was. And I get 5 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:34.200 two really good recorded interviews. You'll find them very enjoyable. 6 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:37.159 One is coming up this Thursday with Stacey Wright on 7 00:00:38.039 --> 00:00:44.479 basically Phoenix and the Arizona area UF HOST. Nice conversation. 8 00:00:44.600 --> 00:00:49.079 That's Thursday at eight pm. And then next Tuesday, I 9 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:51.560 have a wonderful recording with. 10 00:00:53.159 --> 00:00:55.880 Don Schmidt and he was. 11 00:00:57.560 --> 00:01:01.039 Mentored by Jay Allen Heinek, and so we're going to 12 00:01:01.079 --> 00:01:03.280 be talking all about that and it's a real, really 13 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:06.359 good conversation, best one I ever had with Don Schmidt. 14 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:11.480 And that is next Tuesday. It'll be here. It's not live. 15 00:01:12.760 --> 00:01:15.799 Thursday will not be live. However, I will be introducing 16 00:01:16.040 --> 00:01:18.519 the show and I will be in the chat and 17 00:01:18.640 --> 00:01:21.280 also saying goodbye everyone when I leave. 18 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:23.239 So just remember. 19 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:27.439 So coming up we have Stacey Wright on Thursday eight pm, 20 00:01:27.799 --> 00:01:31.560 and next Tuesday week from tonight, Don Schmidt at nine pm. 21 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:35.359 So our guest tonight, I met Mitch Randall out in 22 00:01:36.519 --> 00:01:39.040 contact in the desert, and I did a show with 23 00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:43.000 him just on AI, only artificial intelligence. He doesn't like 24 00:01:43.040 --> 00:01:45.000 to call it artificial. I think he had another word 25 00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:46.760 for it. I might ask him about that. 26 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:47.319 Because. 27 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:50.640 I think we're going to be hearing a lot more 28 00:01:50.680 --> 00:01:53.079 about that. And one of the thoughts that I had 29 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:57.120 when I was out in Sedona, I watched a film 30 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:01.560 by Ron James and now it's that is not going 31 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:04.400 to be out for a while. We saw it sort 32 00:02:04.439 --> 00:02:07.159 of pre completely. You know, it was a rough cut. 33 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:09.199 I guess you would call it of the movie. Very 34 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:11.360 good movie. I'm going to be talking to him when 35 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:17.960 that is out. But he introduced AI into this movie 36 00:02:18.479 --> 00:02:24.759 Accidental Truths and number two that is, and I thought 37 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:27.080 he made a lot of sense, and the thought occurred 38 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:30.159 to me, you know, we're progressing so quickly right now. 39 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:37.719 Can you imagine if a society had an intelligent society 40 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:40.919 had AI for say a thousand years. I mean you 41 00:02:40.919 --> 00:02:46.599 can only imagine what that could mean. And when artificial 42 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:50.400 intelligence is building itself and how you know it'll just 43 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:54.479 pyramid up to something who knows, and whatever it is, 44 00:02:54.520 --> 00:02:58.360 I'm sure we'll be traveling the stars, I think. Anyway, 45 00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:03.919 Mitch Randall was on the show months ago about AI 46 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:06.639 and he has a wonderful background. We're going to be 47 00:03:06.680 --> 00:03:09.759 talking about that. Just so everyone knows. The blog this week, 48 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:13.280 but Charles lear Is Encounters on the Roads of Spain 49 00:03:13.879 --> 00:03:17.080 and it talks about a nineteen nineties encounter and a 50 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:21.719 lot more. So check out the blog at podcastufo dot com. 51 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:24.319 And thank you all for being here, Thanks for those 52 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:27.639 who have supported the show. And it was really nice 53 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:31.680 to be in Sidona. And three people actually came there, 54 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:35.479 one from Buffalo, New York, just to meet and hang out. 55 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:41.000 So there was Matt, there was Ron and Joel. I 56 00:03:41.039 --> 00:03:43.520 believe I have all their names. It was great to 57 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:47.039 meet you all and hang out with you so and 58 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:49.719 I do believe a lot of people at the conference 59 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:52.039 said they'll be listening, So a shout out to you 60 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:53.599 as well if you are new. 61 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:58.199 To the show. Mitch, welcome, Hey, thanks for having me on. 62 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:02.199 Yes, you know, I thought we really had a I 63 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:05.800 thought we had a wonderful conversation about AI out there. 64 00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:07.520 I mean, you know, it's sort of. 65 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:12.360 It can be sort of depressing because it's kind of scary. 66 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:17.199 It's an unknown and this is a like a never 67 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:22.439 ending technology. And and you know, I like the term 68 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:25.519 this could be our last invention, and that sounds like 69 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:28.600 a loaded sentence, but in a way, it could be 70 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:31.680 because AI could be doing all the inventing from now on. 71 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:36.000 You know, it's kind of crazy, but you know, this 72 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:38.560 show is not really about AI, but I'm sure we'll 73 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:39.399 be talking about it. 74 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:41.480 But we're going to be talking. 75 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:45.120 About SkyWatch, and this is something you and I never discussed. 76 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:47.800 Of course, you're at a UFO conference and you're going 77 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:50.439 to be talking about that. But let's let's wind all 78 00:04:50.480 --> 00:04:54.680 the way back and before even this idea. What was 79 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:57.079 your interest in UFOs to begin with? 80 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:02.560 Oh, I'm probably influenced by my big brother who was 81 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:07.199 always into the UFOs, so I kind of followed his tracks, 82 00:05:07.240 --> 00:05:09.759 Like I didn't you know there was a time back 83 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:13.199 in the seventies when it was you know, really you 84 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:15.759 had to be a flake believe in them, right, And 85 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:19.959 then I remember there's an Omni magazine article about UFOs, 86 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:22.360 like what's that doing there? You know, that was about 87 00:05:22.399 --> 00:05:24.160 the time I got into it. So it was way 88 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:27.480 back in the seventies. And and I'll tell you that 89 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:32.120 it's actually hasn't really changed much at all, because it's 90 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:35.879 still this you know, like excitement and then nothing and 91 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:38.639 then excitement. And it's been doing that for decades. 92 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:40.160 Yeah, you know. 93 00:05:40.199 --> 00:05:42.879 And then I got pulled into it again with Grush. 94 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:46.600 Given that testimony, I thought, this is it. It's coming out. 95 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:53.240 The toothpaste is squirted out all over. Then I figured 96 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:55.079 I figured out about that toothpaste. I don't want to 97 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:57.720 get off track with so many things, but you know 98 00:05:57.720 --> 00:05:59.920 they always say that, you know, the toothpaste. 99 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:01.560 Came out of the too, can't go back in. 100 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:09.240 Let the toothpaste dry up. That's all. There's toothpaste all over. Yeah. 101 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:09.560 You know. 102 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:14.000 This conference that I was at last weekend, there was 103 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:16.759 a lot of talk about, you know, the different ideas 104 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:21.639 that people have on disclosure, and that's really what it is. 105 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:25.240 We all have different thoughts on what disclosure is. And 106 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:29.959 you know, and someone, you know, one person said, oh, 107 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:32.639 it's here in the UFO community. 108 00:06:32.399 --> 00:06:33.639 Doesn't know when to say yes. 109 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:38.800 And I kind of resented that remark because it's not 110 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:42.759 us that need to be convinced in the community. I 111 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:47.560 don't think it's like admittance of the governments and all that. 112 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:50.040 Maybe and I don't even know how much that will 113 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:50.959 push that forward. 114 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:52.720 You know, I mean there's. 115 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:54.519 Well, I mean I have a lot to say about 116 00:06:54.560 --> 00:06:58.839 that because that's actually part of my instrument designed because 117 00:06:58.839 --> 00:07:03.639 I feel that I feel that, you know, society is 118 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:07.319 not going to you know, there's so many aspects. I'm 119 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:09.360 trying to put it all into a coherent sentence, but 120 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:12.360 I mean, society is not going to jump on board. 121 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:15.279 They're really waiting for the President to stand up and 122 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:20.240 say UFOs are real. That's what they want, because people 123 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:23.560 don't want to take a bunch of disparate information and 124 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:25.920 like sort through it all and come up with a conclusion. 125 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:29.759 So this idea that you know, if there's going to 126 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:32.439 be disclosure somehow, it has to come through some kind 127 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:35.639 of official channel. That's a real thing. And I think 128 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:37.839 you have to take that into account if you're going 129 00:07:37.879 --> 00:07:40.839 to if you're going to push disclosure, it can't be 130 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:44.439 you know, some scientific group off in the corner says 131 00:07:44.519 --> 00:07:47.519 UFOs are real. That's not enough because of it, you know, 132 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:49.839 for example, if it doesn't end up in the New 133 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:54.160 York Times in a definitive way, like if it if 134 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:56.680 it's in thew York New York Times and it says, well, 135 00:07:56.720 --> 00:07:59.240 this group says yes, but this group says no, that's 136 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:04.319 not disclosure. It's got to be absolutely you know, spoon 137 00:08:04.360 --> 00:08:07.879 fed to everybody. Then that's disclosures. So that's you know, 138 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:09.639 I'll talk about that more than we get into it. 139 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:12.800 But that's, in my opinion, part of the instrument design 140 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:16.120 that has to be made in order for citizen science 141 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:17.319 to have an effect on this. 142 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:22.240 I guess that's what that we get, the citizen science, 143 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:26.000 as you say, involved. But I've said this a number 144 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:29.560 of times and it's just my opinion that I don't 145 00:08:29.639 --> 00:08:32.480 think it really matters who's in office at the time. 146 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:38.360 If that person in office, Democratic, Republican, whoever, says, you know, 147 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:42.399 we have extraterrestrial life is visiting us or whatever it is, 148 00:08:42.519 --> 00:08:45.679 or it's it's found, we found it for sure, it's 149 00:08:45.679 --> 00:08:48.039 one hundred percent, there's going to still be a lot 150 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:51.120 of people that are not going to believe that person 151 00:08:51.159 --> 00:08:52.000 in office. 152 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:53.960 But if science, I mean. 153 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:56.200 It would have to be like a whole group, a 154 00:08:56.279 --> 00:09:01.720 whole mass adjoining in on it before unless what do 155 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:06.480 they say, catastrophic disclosure, like you know, like they all 156 00:09:06.519 --> 00:09:09.440 come in like Independence Day all over the world, you know, 157 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:10.159 that type of thing. 158 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:13.440 But so I don't know it. You know, I'm not 159 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:14.360 holding my breath. 160 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:17.360 Yeah, I mean I really do think I know what 161 00:09:17.360 --> 00:09:19.240 you're saying. There's a lot of people don't believe what 162 00:09:19.279 --> 00:09:21.759 the president says. No matter which party, there's always, yeah, 163 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:24.159 the people who don't believe it. But I think you're 164 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:26.240 in a different zone. I think the zone that we 165 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:29.399 want is when the president says it, because that means 166 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:33.480 it's been through a bunch of filters and it's bubbled 167 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:35.919 up to the point where it's gotten to that level. 168 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:39.879 And I think people really do listen to the president. 169 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:42.000 I mean, there's a lot of us that follow closely 170 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:44.240 that know whether we should be listening to the president 171 00:09:44.360 --> 00:09:46.559 or not. But there's a whole bunch of people that 172 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:47.559 listen to the president. 173 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:50.519 Mmmmmm yeah. Yeah. 174 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:53.879 So so you your brother sort of got you and 175 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:55.360 you mentioned the Omni magazine. 176 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:57.080 I actually remember that. 177 00:09:57.759 --> 00:10:01.120 Yeah, friend's family used to get that, and I remember 178 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:03.320 being a kid and seeing that magazine. 179 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:05.360 And you know, I mentioned that. 180 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:07.080 To my friend who I'm still in touch with, a 181 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:11.519 childhood friend. He didn't remember it, but because I told him, 182 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:13.120 you know, I broke the news to him. Look, I 183 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:15.679 do a show in UFOs, and he's actually watched a 184 00:10:15.679 --> 00:10:16.080 couple of them. 185 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:18.120 He's not picking on me too bad. He likes to 186 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:18.519 pick on me. 187 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:24.720 Yeah, but yeah, I remember that, and so you yourself. 188 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:28.519 I have never had a witness the UFO though, correct, 189 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:29.120 because I. 190 00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:31.600 Know that that's the crazy thing. Like I went to 191 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:34.960 Contact in the desert, and that has so many people 192 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:37.799 that I mean, I think I'm maybe the only one 193 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:39.639 that goes there who hasn't seen something. 194 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:42.159 Oh no, that's not true at all. It's not true 195 00:10:42.159 --> 00:10:42.440 at all. 196 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:45.240 And you know, you look at Steve and Steve is 197 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:48.360 it you know, what's his name, Bassett? 198 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:49.240 Who am I thinking of? 199 00:10:49.720 --> 00:10:50.000 Steve? 200 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:52.559 Yeah, he's never seen a UFO. 201 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:56.720 Stanton Friedman, one of the greatest researchers ever, never saw 202 00:10:56.759 --> 00:10:59.279 a UFO. So there's there's a number of them, and 203 00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:03.080 they're you know, they're not exactly a unicorn. There's probably 204 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:07.279 a lot of people that think they saw something and 205 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:10.919 still go there because they got their curiosity up and. 206 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:14.320 It may you know. So for me, like I went 207 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:16.799 through that roller coaster for decades, you know, and sometimes 208 00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:20.200 you're really excited about it because it's it's coming out, 209 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:22.559 you know, and then it goes dead, and then you're like, 210 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:25.840 why would I even care about this subject? You know, 211 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:28.480 like what's going on with it? You know? I mean 212 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:31.679 you just go through these really deep and high peaks, 213 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:35.320 you know. And for me, I was always looking for 214 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:39.679 because I'm background in science, I'm technical, and I can 215 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:41.799 look at a video and I can tell whether not 216 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:43.519 that it's true or not, but I can tell whether 217 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:46.879 it means anything or not. Because so many videos of 218 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:49.039 just a dot and you can't tell if it's the 219 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:52.360 camera moving or the dot moving. It's meaningless, you know. 220 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:54.919 There's a lot of stuff like that, or just a dot, 221 00:11:55.080 --> 00:11:58.159 you know, could be any kind of light. And I've 222 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:01.159 always been looking for something that's you know, that would 223 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:04.519 I would think, Okay, nothing this human made can do that, 224 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:08.000 And there's really very little like that. There's actually a 225 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:10.919 couple videos like that, well for one of them. One 226 00:12:10.919 --> 00:12:12.559 of them was the I don't know if you remember 227 00:12:12.559 --> 00:12:17.080 the Mexican UFO video. It's a UFO that was like 228 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:20.360 wobbling and it could clearly and then it went behind 229 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:21.440 a building that came. 230 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:24.039 Out over the top. Yeah, and I don't know if 231 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:26.519 that's real. I'm not sure if that's real. I've heard 232 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:27.919 controversy about that. 233 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:30.759 Right, Well, for me, that was like super interesting. I 234 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:36.960 actually communicated a little bit with that famous famous video 235 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:39.960 video guy. I can't remember his name right now, you. 236 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:45.080 Know I talk about in Mexico, are you no, no, no, the. 237 00:12:44.240 --> 00:12:48.200 The guy that Bruce Beccaby that's it. Yeah, yeah him 238 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:50.120 a little bit to kind of go through that, but 239 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:55.720 you know that anyway, I think eventually I figured out 240 00:12:55.759 --> 00:13:01.320 that's not real. Actually this was more recently actually froze. 241 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:04.600 You know, if I learned this technique where if you 242 00:13:04.639 --> 00:13:08.639 can isolate the or you know, stabilize the thing you're 243 00:13:08.679 --> 00:13:11.039 looking at, you can tell a lot because you can 244 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:14.720 see what's going on with the background. So a lot 245 00:13:14.799 --> 00:13:18.679 of times when people do you know, they impose, super 246 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:23.120 impose a fake UFO onto a video. It's not perfect. 247 00:13:22.759 --> 00:13:25.399 They'll get something mixed up. And the main thing is 248 00:13:25.519 --> 00:13:29.840 you have to get the stabilization right because and what 249 00:13:29.960 --> 00:13:32.240 I noticed and when I did that is I noticed 250 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:34.240 that the UFO I had it stabilized, but then you'd 251 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:38.120 see the background do things that it shouldn't do. So 252 00:13:38.639 --> 00:13:40.840 I didn't explain that very good, but I convinced my no, 253 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:41.559 I get. 254 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:44.679 I get exactly what you're saying. I know when I 255 00:13:44.720 --> 00:13:49.200 first started looking into this topic, there was UFOs over Tahiti, 256 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:54.480 I believe, and as just crazy went right over a 257 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:59.200 palm trees and that video was so amazing and it 258 00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:02.440 was like at the time they had like a billion views. 259 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:04.720 Yeah, and that's CGI, you know. 260 00:14:04.799 --> 00:14:07.399 They these people analyzed it enough to figure out that 261 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:09.440 it was CGI, and that was early CGI. 262 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:15.320 So the trees were all identical, Yes, I remember that. 263 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:16.440 Yeah. Yeah. 264 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:19.799 So anyway, now we're in trouble because you can you 265 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:23.279 can create anything, you know, and anything can be created. 266 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:25.039 So the video. 267 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:27.879 Evidence right obviously took a big hit right now because 268 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:30.200 you can create anything. So you have to be so 269 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:33.519 careful now with any video evidence. But there was another 270 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:36.759 I was going to say, there was a guy in 271 00:14:36.840 --> 00:14:40.480 Florida that was around the golf breeze time. And the 272 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:44.799 guy in Florida has what I consider I mean, I 273 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:47.200 didn't I never heard anybody debunk it, and I can't 274 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:50.639 debunk it. But he's he's got his video camera trained 275 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:53.399 on a on a UFO and then it shoots off 276 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:57.600 and so that's really cool video. And I think, wow, 277 00:14:57.639 --> 00:15:01.000 that's so that's one of my favorites. But what I 278 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:03.399 was going to say is, you know, for decades I've 279 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:06.399 been looking for that that smoking gun. Evidence that that 280 00:15:06.840 --> 00:15:09.279 you know, with my own eyes looks to me like 281 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:12.879 it can't be fake and it can't be a human 282 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:17.559 you know. So and then at some point, you know, 283 00:15:17.679 --> 00:15:20.879 after the twenty seventeen or twenty nineteen whenever Fraverer came 284 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:26.480 out with this sighting of the ticktac thing, yes, you know, 285 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:29.399 at some point I thought, you know, I've been watching 286 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:32.679 this for forty years, how many years? It is right, 287 00:15:32.759 --> 00:15:35.919 and there's so many credible people, and how could anybody 288 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:39.279 be more credible than David Fraverer. And he saw it 289 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:41.320 with his own eyes, and he saw it doing as 290 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:45.519 you know, non human technology kind of motions, right, And 291 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:48.320 so I just thought, why am I waiting for the 292 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:50.559 smoking gun? I'm you know, I don't care, I don't 293 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:54.320 care if I'm wrong. It looks to me. My best 294 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:57.000 guess is that this is real. That's what I would say. 295 00:15:57.039 --> 00:16:01.320 So I finally decided like, okay, I'm on that. And so, 296 00:16:01.720 --> 00:16:03.919 after decades of sitting on that fence, I kind of 297 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:07.679 jumped over and as soon as I jumped over, something 298 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:11.360 really crazy happened. I didn't expect. But when you're sitting 299 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:14.440 on the fence, you're trying to your real focus is 300 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:16.919 is this real or is this not real? When you 301 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:19.360 jump over the fence and you think this is real, 302 00:16:20.519 --> 00:16:24.519 that's when you realize every theory that is so wild, 303 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:29.759 every ridiculous theory, could now be true. And that sort 304 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:33.639 of shocked me because you can't really contemplate that, or 305 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:36.159 believe that, or really buy into that if you're sitting 306 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:38.440 on the fence. You have to jump over the fence 307 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:40.840 and land on the other side before you can really 308 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:41.360 feel that. 309 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:44.559 Yeah, you know, I felt kind of the same when 310 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:45.399 I first got into this. 311 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:48.480 Now, I did have a UFO sighting, and I'm only 312 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:51.639 saying that because that kind of already started me in 313 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:54.159 the door with you know, this is real type of thing, 314 00:16:54.200 --> 00:16:57.480 because what I saw I can't figure even today. It 315 00:16:57.480 --> 00:17:00.440 doesn't seem like anything that would be our technology any. 316 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:00.840 Type of way. 317 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:06.640 But I felt that same way about the abductees and 318 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:10.319 you know experiences as they're called today. You know, like 319 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:12.319 I was having a really really hard time with that, 320 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:14.640 and then I started, you know, thinking more about it. 321 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:18.640 And I totally believe Travis Walton's story for one. 322 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:22.839 And you know, and I wanted to make a point. 323 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:27.200 This this weekend when I was talking about Travis Walton, 324 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:32.119 and that is that if let's just say that you 325 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:34.519 or I are just I'm just going to put myself there. 326 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:38.160 I'm going to fake a story that you know, I 327 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:41.440 was gone for five days and you know, and and 328 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:46.519 all this happened his You would make it much more 329 00:17:46.519 --> 00:17:49.640 simple than his. You know, his is very very complicated, 330 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:53.640 and he's I listened to a on Aizon Cinema, which 331 00:17:53.680 --> 00:17:57.200 is a great YouTube channel. I listened to his original 332 00:17:57.400 --> 00:18:02.880 very first interview, and it's exact. His story has remained 333 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:08.079 exactly the same. There's not one iota of difference today 334 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:11.039 than it was back then of what happened to him, 335 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:13.480 you know, And and you know, I've tried to like 336 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:17.799 ask him really interesting questions. Do you remember using the bathroom? 337 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:21.200 You know, you know, because he was gone five days? 338 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:24.799 What did you eat? Were there any smells? And but 339 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:27.319 he always says it was really really hard to breathe, 340 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:30.640 which makes sense, you know, which does make sense. And 341 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:33.720 then you know, he you know, and then the beings 342 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:36.880 that came that look like us, you know, I mean, 343 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:39.279 you just can't. I mean, it doesn't make any sense. 344 00:18:39.359 --> 00:18:41.759 Things don't make any sense and are complicated. Like he 345 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:44.200 walks out in this big hangar and you know, he 346 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:47.400 sees another room. He goes into it and there's other beings. 347 00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:50.880 They don't have a fish bowl helmet on, and they look, 348 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:53.440 you know, very like very attractive humans. 349 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:55.599 That's what they look like to him. And they don't talk. 350 00:18:55.680 --> 00:18:58.400 He's talking to them, they're not communicating with him, you know, 351 00:18:58.519 --> 00:18:59.440 put a mask on him. 352 00:18:59.440 --> 00:18:59.759 He's out. 353 00:18:59.799 --> 00:19:02.079 And that's the last three members on the ship. You 354 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:05.359 know that that type of thing. All I'm getting at is, 355 00:19:05.440 --> 00:19:10.279 you know, when you take that leap or whatever. I'm 356 00:19:10.319 --> 00:19:13.200 not necessarily saying that everyone that says they're an experiencer 357 00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:19.359 really did experience. I mean, they experienced something obviously, but 358 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:22.440 but there are cases like his that stand out to me. 359 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:27.640 In the Allegash incident and Pasca Goula incident, you know, 360 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:30.400 those those are the ones that really really stand out. 361 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:32.680 I wanted to say hi to everyone and chat, thank 362 00:19:32.680 --> 00:19:35.759 you all for being here and good to see you all. 363 00:19:35.960 --> 00:19:38.279 And you know, if you have questions as we go along, 364 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:40.880 just please, uh, you know, put them in all caps. 365 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:45.720 So so you're you have this interest and you're you 366 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:49.599 have such a you worked for you did some work 367 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:54.319 with NASA and uh and then Noah, all these different 368 00:19:54.440 --> 00:19:59.039 organizations through radar or things that you built or what 369 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:01.119 can you I said a little. 370 00:20:01.400 --> 00:20:04.200 I started working at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, 371 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:08.559 which is here in Boulder, Colorado, and it's, uh, you know, 372 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:12.599 we make weather research radars for weather research. So there 373 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:18.640 they're high quality, scientific grade research weather radars and some 374 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:21.599 of them, you know, forty five foot dish, some of 375 00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:25.359 them are you know, a six foot dish. And also 376 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:27.960 did light ours, which is laser radar, same thing looking 377 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:32.160 for water vapor in that case. But you know, some 378 00:20:32.200 --> 00:20:35.079 of the technologies I worked on went into NASA things. 379 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:37.720 I worked with NO groups to do some of their 380 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:40.160 research on the P threes that go to the hurricanes. 381 00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:43.920 And I worked at NIST as well. So I've been 382 00:20:44.119 --> 00:20:46.279 there's a lot of government labs around here, and I've 383 00:20:46.359 --> 00:20:47.720 kind of been around some. 384 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:51.559 Yeah, and so how did you all of a sudden 385 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:55.200 get this idea? How did it come to that if 386 00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:58.480 we set up basically a network, a nationwide network of 387 00:20:58.559 --> 00:21:01.640 passive radar, and at least explain to us what passive 388 00:21:01.759 --> 00:21:07.480 radar compared to direct radar. What's the other radar active 389 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:08.599 active radar? 390 00:21:08.680 --> 00:21:13.039 That's it. Yeah, So what are the different Well, you know. 391 00:21:13.039 --> 00:21:15.599 Active radar, which is what we mostly do at the 392 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:18.759 National Center for Atmosphere Search, but we do have passive 393 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:21.079 radars there too. But an active radar is what you 394 00:21:21.160 --> 00:21:23.680 normally think of a radar. It's a dish with a 395 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:27.720 very narrow beam. It shoots, it transmits a pulse high 396 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:30.960 energy polls, goes out, it hits an airplane or something, 397 00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:33.680 and comes back a little bit later, and you receive 398 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:37.119 that echo. That's what you call active radar. So passive 399 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:40.519 radar is more or less the same thing, except for 400 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:44.559 you're not transmitting. You're using somebody else's transmitter who will 401 00:21:44.599 --> 00:21:48.039 either transmit it on purpose for your purpose, or maybe 402 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:50.680 they didn't. Maybe it's an FM radio station, maybe it's 403 00:21:50.680 --> 00:21:55.319 a digital TV radio station. And you can still use 404 00:21:55.480 --> 00:21:58.880 somebody's transmitting energy out there, and that energy is bouncing 405 00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:01.400 off objects that are in the sky, and so you 406 00:22:01.440 --> 00:22:04.599 can use a passive receiver. It's a receiver only, and 407 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:11.279 you can actually detect that echo. So yeah, there's they've 408 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:13.920 been using this since the thirties. In the thirties they 409 00:22:13.960 --> 00:22:20.519 had to detect the England was using these receivers they had. 410 00:22:20.599 --> 00:22:23.119 They had a receiver that was pointing out over the 411 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:27.480 channel where the German airplanes might be coming in where 412 00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:30.039 it was the antenns were pointed in such a way 413 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:33.440 they couldn't pick up BBC, but if an airplane got 414 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:36.279 in there, it would reflect the BBC signal. They could 415 00:22:36.279 --> 00:22:37.920 pick it up and they knew there was an airplane 416 00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:39.880 come in their way. So they were doing this in 417 00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:42.279 the thirties, So you know it's not a new idea, 418 00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:46.200 but you know it's a lot more sophisticated nowadays because 419 00:22:46.640 --> 00:22:49.400 we can use correlation techniques to not only figure out 420 00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:52.359 the presence of that signal, but get the time delay. 421 00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:55.519 So the time delay you can do by by grabbing 422 00:22:55.519 --> 00:22:58.720 a sample of the of the direct signal and comparing 423 00:22:58.759 --> 00:23:01.039 it to the echo and you can measure that delay. 424 00:23:01.359 --> 00:23:03.559 And the delay is you know, the path length of 425 00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:06.880 the signal going out to the object and coming back. 426 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:09.799 So just like in active radar, where you're measuring that 427 00:23:09.839 --> 00:23:12.400 time delay and that tells you the distance. Same thing 428 00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:14.279 that with passive radar too. 429 00:23:15.319 --> 00:23:18.680 Now a lot, not a lot, but a number of 430 00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:22.039 times I've heard over the years that a UFO doesn't 431 00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:24.039 show up on radar. You don't know if it has 432 00:23:24.079 --> 00:23:27.680 some type of stealth technology or whatever it is. That 433 00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:31.279 would be discouraging if this all gets set in place 434 00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:35.559 and then, But a lot of them do are seen 435 00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:37.960 on radar. And I'm not sure if you're familiar with 436 00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:42.559 the Jack Buschong case, the weather case in Michigan in 437 00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:46.799 nineteen ninety four, not by name, okay, Jack Bouchong. He 438 00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:49.000 was a weather It was a weather He was a 439 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:52.680 weather person and working with weather radar and looking at 440 00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:56.279 something that ascended instantly to five thousand feet and then 441 00:23:56.319 --> 00:23:59.240 up to ten thousand feet and was all over Lake Michigan, 442 00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:02.359 I believe was Michigan. But I'll send you that information 443 00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:04.200 because I just think for your own interest you may 444 00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:07.640 really want to take a look at that one in particular. 445 00:24:08.079 --> 00:24:10.480 But so we have a couple of questions in here. 446 00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:12.240 Let me just pop them up and we'll get through 447 00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:15.759 them real quickly. Are you part of MOPAS study, m 448 00:24:15.880 --> 00:24:17.640 up AS study. 449 00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:18.480 Do you know what that is? 450 00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:21.000 If you don't know what that is, you're not part 451 00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:26.319 of it. Okay, all right, so that answers that there's 452 00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:30.640 another one here. Are you incorporating the information you get 453 00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:35.640 with passive r F radar data with UFO hunting. Yes, 454 00:24:35.680 --> 00:24:37.319 that's what this is all about, right. 455 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:38.319 Basically it is. 456 00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:40.319 But I mean we're not quite there yet too. 457 00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:42.519 Yeah, I know. Yeah, Well we'll go as we go 458 00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:43.160 along here. 459 00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:46.759 Yes, I mean, yeah, that's what this is for the 460 00:24:46.920 --> 00:24:47.319 whole Yeah. 461 00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:48.759 Yeah. 462 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:51.240 The real question is are we integrating on other data? 463 00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:54.920 That's because our data that we collect is for UFOs. 464 00:24:55.039 --> 00:24:55.839 That's the whole point. 465 00:24:56.359 --> 00:25:01.839 M And how how exactly would this network? I know 466 00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:04.480 you have a plan of like if you had so 467 00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:08.480 many units throughout, saye, for instance, throughout the United States 468 00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:11.960 in certain areas, can you kind of explain how that 469 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:12.519 would work? 470 00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:16.240 Yeah, I mean maybe it would help if I back 471 00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:19.279 up a little bit and kind of paying a bigger picture. Sure, 472 00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:21.640 maybe can drill down a little bit, but yeah, that 473 00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:25.960 makes sense. Historically, it was about two thousand or so 474 00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:29.440 I came across Peter Davenport's paper. Peter Davenport is the 475 00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:32.839 director of the National UFO Reporting Center, and he published 476 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:34.559 a paper I think it was ninety. 477 00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:38.480 Five someone just wrote about that right in chat here. 478 00:25:38.559 --> 00:25:41.440 Yes, yeah, yeah, So it came out. I didn't see 479 00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:44.480 it until about two thousand. It said, hey, I want 480 00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:47.759 to use why don't we use passive radar for UFO detection. Well, 481 00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:50.400 I had just built a bunch of passive radar receivers 482 00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:53.960 for weather and knew everything about it. So I contacted 483 00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:58.079 Peter and said, I can help you out here fast forward, 484 00:25:58.160 --> 00:26:02.319 like it always turned doubt that all these things are 485 00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:04.839 hobby projects, you know, And do I have time to 486 00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:07.759 work on it? You know, it's always a question. I 487 00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:10.079 would love to work on it, but whereas you know, 488 00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:12.160 I have a full time job. So what do you do? 489 00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:17.640 So around I don't know. It's like twenty eighteen or 490 00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:20.640 so I realized, hey, wait a minute, they've come out 491 00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:23.920 with these digital you know, software defined radios. Just a 492 00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:26.119 little dongle that costs twenty five bucks that you can 493 00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:28.440 plug into your computer, and all of a sudden you 494 00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:30.440 have a receiver that you can tune to any channel. 495 00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:33.519 And I thought, well this is great because you know, 496 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:37.119 the big you know, a really annoying part of making 497 00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:39.720 a passive radars you have to make the receiver. That's 498 00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:42.559 kind of what it is the receiver here. You already 499 00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:44.960 have the receiver now, it's just the software that that 500 00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:48.640 processes it. So I started messing around with passive radar. 501 00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:53.279 Then I contacted Peter Davenport again, you know, kept up 502 00:26:53.319 --> 00:26:56.000 with them about this new technology, and I'm playing with it, 503 00:26:56.039 --> 00:26:58.920 et cetera, et cetera. And then you know, I'll get 504 00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:03.039 the dates wrong. But was twenty twenty one where Avi 505 00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:07.119 Lobe announced the start of the Galileo project, and I 506 00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:11.319 remember reading about it. I remember the plan because I 507 00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:14.519 saw the plan was he wanted to get these half 508 00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:19.480 half meter telescopes one hundred of them or fifty I 509 00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:21.720 think fifty one hundred, I don't know, and put them 510 00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:23.400 all around the country. I looked at was there were 511 00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:26.920 a million dollars apiece. So I thought, okay, fifty million dollars, 512 00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:30.279 got it, and they're gonna look for UFOs. And the 513 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:33.920 first thing I thought is you can't really find a 514 00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:38.440 UFO with the telescope that doesn't work. Telescope has this 515 00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:43.039 super narrow, you know, rained field of view that you're 516 00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:46.279 never gonna you're not going to detect the UFO if 517 00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:47.960 there was, if he knew where one was you can 518 00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:49.759 point at it, but you're not going to detect. So 519 00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:52.599 I thought, I, you know, that group needs me. So 520 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:57.039 I contacted Avi Lobe and by the way, he he's 521 00:27:57.480 --> 00:28:01.480 infamous or famous for he's really good at replying to emails. 522 00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:02.319 I can't believe it. 523 00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:05.440 So within fifteen minutes he had replied to me like, oh, 524 00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:07.880 that's interesting, because I said, you know, you might need 525 00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:10.400 a passive radar to tell you where to point your telescopes, 526 00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:14.440 you know. So then I took me a little while 527 00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:16.960 to kind of convince the Galileo project that I should 528 00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:18.880 be a team member. And I got on and I 529 00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:22.000 started to develop that you know, prototype, and I felt, 530 00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:25.640 even though it's still hobby project, a little bit more motivated, 531 00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:27.359 you know, because I'm working with a team of like, 532 00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:30.000 this is a really impressive team. Their project is full 533 00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:34.839 of really top notch scientists that have really great personalities 534 00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:38.680 and everything. It's like a really nice group, and you know, 535 00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:42.279 I worked with them and I did develop the first prototype. 536 00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:44.160 And by the way, when I got the first prototype 537 00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:46.599 to work, it kind of blew my mind because I 538 00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:49.920 had worked on passive radar for weather research, but I 539 00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:54.000 had never worked on it for you know, point target detection. 540 00:28:54.759 --> 00:28:57.880 And when I got my first image, and this is 541 00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:01.640 really cool, this passive radar, because you know, I'm using 542 00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:06.119 FM radios, as they called the transmitter of opportunity, So 543 00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:09.920 I'm taking advantage of FM transmitters that are around. They're 544 00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:13.200 really actually transmitting a tremendous amount of power, like one 545 00:29:13.240 --> 00:29:18.440 hundred thousand watts equivalent power. They're transmitting in all directions. Wow, 546 00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:21.799 So you know I'm used to you know, when you 547 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:25.160 have weather radar, you're transmitting a beam, a pencil beam, 548 00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:28.440 kind of just like a flashlight beam, right, it's just 549 00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:31.440 in one direction. But here it's transmitting in all directions. 550 00:29:31.480 --> 00:29:34.759 And then I'm using an antenna that's also omnidirectional that 551 00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:37.240 I'm picking up in all directions. So when I get 552 00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:41.759 the receiver signal the echoes, I'm actually seeing everything that's 553 00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:44.960 in the sky within like one hundred mile radius. And 554 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:47.759 so my first time I saw detections, I saw like 555 00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:51.559 fifty things. I'm like, WHOA. So it's really incredible what 556 00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:53.759 you can do. It's all it is is a radar receiver, 557 00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:57.319 but then some software on the back end to process 558 00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:00.559 it and figure out those the correlations and the distances. 559 00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:03.359 So how do you weed out like a. 560 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:06.599 Bird or how do you weed out things planes, birds 561 00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:09.519 and other things that you typically can see in the sky. 562 00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:14.039 Yeah, I mean there's all sorts of things you have 563 00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:16.680 to do to the data to kind of clean it 564 00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:20.240 up like that A big thing you can do. You know, 565 00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:22.000 the number one thing we would do if we were 566 00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:25.799 installing this is you also have an ADSB receiver. So 567 00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:29.400 if no one's heard of the ADSB all airplanes now 568 00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:32.759 and more and more, it's may become a standard that's required, 569 00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:35.119 but it's pretty much a ninety five percent of all 570 00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:40.200 aircraft have a transponder and they're constantly sending out their 571 00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:43.480 position and their velocity, you know, as measured by GPS, 572 00:30:43.599 --> 00:30:46.880 so really accurate measure of their position velocity, and so 573 00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:50.599 you can you can find out which dot corresponds to 574 00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:54.319 which airplane like instantly and cancel out ninety five percent 575 00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:57.039 of all airplanes I see, and then you're left with 576 00:30:58.039 --> 00:31:01.279 you know, birds are kind of easy to cancel because 577 00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.559 because you can't really see them after a couple of kilometers. 578 00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:07.359 After ten kilometers, you're not seeing any birds because they're 579 00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:10.200 just too small. And you know, there's so there's a 580 00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:13.680 lot of things like that where even just the ADSB 581 00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:18.599 receiver would pretty much make you give you a blank 582 00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:22.039 display except UFOs. So I'm exaggerating a little bit, but 583 00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:24.599 you're You're off to a good start, That's what I'm saying. 584 00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:28.279 But let me let me just go on a little 585 00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:29.799 bit to kind of paint the big picture and we 586 00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:31.720 can dive into some questions. But I just want to 587 00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:35.640 say that the gal LEYO project didn't have the exact 588 00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:42.720 same direction as I do. They have. Their idea is 589 00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:48.400 to make a high quality you know station, multi instrument station, 590 00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:52.279 and then if an object goes over that, they can 591 00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:55.279 measure everything about it. Like they have emission detectors, they 592 00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:58.680 have particle detectors, they have you know, optical telescopes. So 593 00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:01.079 they have this radar, they have all these things that 594 00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:03.960 would measure it all at once and get all these 595 00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:09.160 parameters on it. To me, I have this experience with 596 00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:13.000 the storm chasing radar trucks. You are you aware of those? Yes, 597 00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:15.039 might have seen them on TV right. They there is 598 00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:18.960 a radar weather radar on a truck and the point 599 00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:22.559 of them is they want to study tornadoes. We've always 600 00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:24.920 been you know, whether research wanted to study tornados, but 601 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:28.160 they never come by our big thirty foot dish systems 602 00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:30.960 that are on a concrete pad. Right, how often does 603 00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:35.359 a tornado fly by? So you know, in terms of 604 00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:38.160 instrument design, we decided, well, we got to take the 605 00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:40.640 instrument to the tornado. That's how you're going to get 606 00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:43.519 tornado data. So we made a mobile truck that did that. 607 00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:49.160 So you know that is burnt into my memory or 608 00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:52.640 run to my you know DNA. That that's part of 609 00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:55.039 instrument design. You don't want to just have a good 610 00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:58.039 quality instrument, but you need to get data. And who 611 00:32:58.079 --> 00:32:59.839 cares if you have a good instrument and never sees 612 00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:02.440 a UFO And I've never seen one, so what are 613 00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:05.079 you know, what are the chances of one person you know, 614 00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.960 or one fixed sight having a UFO fly over it? 615 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:08.440 I don't know. 616 00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:10.319 That's always been the problem. 617 00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:13.160 That's why science hasn't really taken this seriously in a 618 00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:17.720 long time, because it's a bleeding situation. You know, it's right, 619 00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:19.279 like something repeatable. 620 00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:22.119 So, oh, I have so much to say about that. 621 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.119 In fact, it's I mean, that's such a stumbling block 622 00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:29.160 for science. Science has a real problem with the experiments 623 00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:32.960 that aren't repeatable, right, I think. I think I once 624 00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:36.680 I tweeted a tweeted a thing where it said uf 625 00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:40.119 A witness. I saw a UFO and scientists, can you 626 00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:41.440 repeat it? Witness? 627 00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:41.880 No? 628 00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:46.000 Scientists? Okay, bye? You know, like, yeah, what do you do? 629 00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:46.279 You know? 630 00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:48.279 Yeah? 631 00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:52.039 But anyway, uh So my thought was, I need to 632 00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:56.240 this needs to be all over the country because wherever 633 00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:59.160 a UFO is, I want to have this radar receiving it. 634 00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:02.039 And it's just since it's just a receiver. But then 635 00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:05.119 with sophisticated software, no one cares if the software is 636 00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:09.159 sophisticated because that doesn't cost anything, right, and the receiver 637 00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:11.920 is not that costly either, So this could be something 638 00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:14.159 that you could duplicate and put all over the place. 639 00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:17.079 But then you have a problem. You know, you don't 640 00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:20.119 want to staff that with scientists. You know, that's just 641 00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:22.880 impractical to have those all over the country and have 642 00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:26.519 a Galileo Project scientist on each one. You know, we 643 00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:29.079 just there's just not enough people to do that. So 644 00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:31.199 it has to be something more plug and play, more 645 00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:35.360 like a consumer project product. So that's where this kind 646 00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:38.679 of whole thing births from. It's like, wow, passive radar 647 00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:42.960 is incredible, but also, you know, let's get it everywhere 648 00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:46.119 so that our statistics get up, and then you know, 649 00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:49.159 since we have it everywhere, it's got to be citizens science. 650 00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:51.519 So you can see the logic progression there. It seems 651 00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:54.440 like a pretty reasonable direction to go. 652 00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:57.360 Before we go much further than that. 653 00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:01.159 When you say plug and play, is there an aspect 654 00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:05.119 of whatever the equipment is out of doors, like so 655 00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:09.079 it can be out in the open and catch something 656 00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:11.519 or is this something internal in a home? 657 00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:15.920 I mean it would it would be like a modem 658 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:18.400 kind of a thing that's in your home, but there 659 00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:19.960 would be a record that goes out to some kind 660 00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:21.000 of antenna on the roof. 661 00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:21.880 I see. 662 00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:25.880 Okay, And that was a question here that was what 663 00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:28.719 type of antenna and radius submitter are you using for 664 00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:29.559 the passive radar? 665 00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:30.280 That's a question. 666 00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:31.559 Yeah. 667 00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:34.960 Well one thing is that remember there's no emitter, so okay, 668 00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:36.039 it's only coming in. 669 00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:39.039 So that's why it's called passive basically, right. 670 00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:41.920 And by the way, some people have said, like I 671 00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:44.920 don't want to be, you know, announcing to the aliens 672 00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:47.639 that I'm looking for them. No, you're just receiving, So 673 00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:50.480 you're totally delf. Nobody knows you're doing this. 674 00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:54.960 Mm hmmm, yeah, only I see so. 675 00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:58.960 Uh and and would it be all this information be 676 00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:01.320 fed real time into some type of server. 677 00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:05.800 Yeah, so, so how it works. So, now, let's say 678 00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:09.880 you have all these receivers all across the country, all 679 00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:12.760 picking up all these echoes from all sorts of things 680 00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:16.400 in the sky. That has to get combined in a 681 00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:19.679 kind of a pyramid server kind of style. So you know, 682 00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:23.079 there'd be a server local to several receivers that would 683 00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:25.280 combine them, and then that information will go to the 684 00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:27.960 second pyramid and part of the pyramid, and it would 685 00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:30.800 all get combined into like a national database that could 686 00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:34.519 be displayed just like you can go to you know, 687 00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:37.480 flight Aware and you can see all the airplanes flying 688 00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:41.960 over America I have. Yeah, you'd see a map that's 689 00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:47.760 like here's all the UFOs over America. That's kind of idea. 690 00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:55.239 And you know it does work. So one receiver, one receiver. 691 00:36:55.320 --> 00:37:00.280 Since it's an omnidirectional antenna and omni ejectritional receiver, you 692 00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:02.679 only know a delay, so you can you can't really 693 00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:06.760 localize one of the points on a single receiver. It 694 00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:11.760 has to be mixed with actually takes four to get 695 00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:15.440 an exact position. So that's where the grid comes in 696 00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:17.880 to make sure there's enough so that anything in the 697 00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:20.280 sky would be measured by four receivers. And if you 698 00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:24.159 work out those numbers, it's about about a thirty kilometer 699 00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:29.679 grid mesh of receivers across the country, which is about 700 00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:33.199 ten thousand receivers. So that's where the numbers come from. 701 00:37:33.440 --> 00:37:35.760 But on the other hand, if you had four receivers 702 00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:38.079 in one city, that'd be enough to see anything that 703 00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:40.519 goes over that city because they can see out one 704 00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:44.199 hundred kilometers, which is way bigger than a city. 705 00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:46.039 How would this could this work? 706 00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:48.760 And some And I'm getting a lot of questions also 707 00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:52.719 even I didn't even do that. 708 00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:53.840 I don't know how that happened. 709 00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:59.159 But I'm getting a lot of questions, even from you know, Bill, 710 00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:01.280 who you talked to, you know before we went live. 711 00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:02.760 He's got a couple of questions too. 712 00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:10.079 So all right, say, first of all, is this something 713 00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:13.079 that you you're working to get? This has to be 714 00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:17.639 funded more, and I believe you're you're looking for a 715 00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:20.880 philanthrothist or someone to help with this, because this is 716 00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:23.159 a major amount of money to get this thing rolling. 717 00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:25.679 Is that where it is at this point? 718 00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:29.519 Yeah, I mean just to let you know, so I'm 719 00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:32.840 very familiar with these kind of project developments. This is 720 00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:37.079 like a six million dollar project. So what I'm talking 721 00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:41.039 about is the NRI the non recoverable engineering costs to 722 00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:45.920 turn this into a consumer product with a you know, 723 00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:51.920 a sales department, a you know, shipping and receiving, and 724 00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:56.519 the infrastructure to support the customers and all that stuff. Manufacturing, 725 00:38:56.559 --> 00:39:01.079 everything that goes into consumer product we're going to put 726 00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:04.880 together and then that the you know, that's about a 727 00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:08.559 twenty four month development cycle where we do prototypes, we 728 00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:13.559 do some studies with universities, select universities work with us. 729 00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:15.880 Until the end of twenty four months, we have a 730 00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:18.280 product where you can then go on a website and 731 00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:20.800 click and buy this thing and put it, you know, 732 00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:22.679 set it up in your house and you plug the 733 00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:26.239 Ethernet teable probably you tell it the Wi Fi address right, 734 00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:27.480 and you're done. 735 00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:33.280 So that then it just that's part of it. An idea. 736 00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:36.800 Say say that you took. 737 00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:41.679 Four of these, you can you set up like a 738 00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:46.400 small part to begin with, just for testing, just so 739 00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:49.159 you can pitch it like if, for instance, if you 740 00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:54.119 actually caught something that was anomalous and unexplainable and all that, 741 00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:57.039 then I think you could really pitch this thing to 742 00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:00.480 get you know, the funding, because if it shows that 743 00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:04.000 there could be a path forward, and then you know, 744 00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:05.320 can you imagine. 745 00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:06.360 How that could work out? 746 00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:09.480 And could there ever be an aspect of being able 747 00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:13.800 to get an image or video or anything of what 748 00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:16.360 is being detected? You know, I know that you're saying 749 00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:18.559 it can be what did you say, eighty kilometers away 750 00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:23.440 or whatever? But is there a way that there could 751 00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:27.639 be some type of other evidence besides just this passive radar? 752 00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:33.639 Let's see are you asking? I thought I heard two questions. 753 00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:35.639 One is can you make a little mini version of this? 754 00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:37.880 And the second I thought I heard was can it 755 00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:39.840 be combined with other instruments? Do you get that? 756 00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:41.599 Yeah? There there is two questions. 757 00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:44.480 But I'm just trying to think, you know, I'm thinking 758 00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:47.079 about this the way the skeptic will look at this. 759 00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:50.920 They're always trying to, you know, figure out you know, 760 00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:55.280 an answer that's not obviously not like a UFO, And 761 00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:57.280 one of them would be Okay, well we got this 762 00:40:57.400 --> 00:41:03.079 passive radar we triangulated and we watched this thing, you know, 763 00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:06.440 go like ten thousand miles an hour and make a 764 00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:06.960 right turn. 765 00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:09.679 That would be pretty very very convincing, right if you 766 00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:10.559 have something like that. 767 00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:13.519 But but they're also well, there was no video of it, 768 00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:15.000 you know, you know what I mean, there was no 769 00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:18.800 witnesses there. You know that you get all those naysayers 770 00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:20.280 and I'm just wondering if there was. 771 00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:22.639 So that was two questions. 772 00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:25.760 But do you ever foresee a time like if this 773 00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:29.400 was built up, that there would be other added features, 774 00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:32.440 for say the cooperation. 775 00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:35.920 Sure, I didn't even you know, there's a lot to 776 00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:38.119 this that I didn't even touch on because so far 777 00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:40.480 we just talked about passive radar. This is actually like 778 00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:43.239 I don't know if trifecta is too strong a word, 779 00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:47.280 but we foresee, what we're trying to build is three 780 00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:50.960 things in one, we want a human database, something like 781 00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:54.079 the National UFO Reporting Center or some other database where 782 00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:56.679 people call in and report what they've seen with their 783 00:41:56.719 --> 00:41:59.960 own eyes. We want also we want the passive rate 784 00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:03.199 that's detecting whatever objects in the sky. And the third 785 00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:06.239 thing is a UFO app, and the idea behind the 786 00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:10.360 UFO app is it's connected to the radar in a 787 00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:13.960 way where I mean, we all know that there's all 788 00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:17.800 sorts of UFOs. I think there's all sorts of UFOs 789 00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:21.239 flying around that people never film. They say they witness something, 790 00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:24.559 but they don't pull out their camera. Right here, you 791 00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:28.320 could have the radar could see something coming, you know, 792 00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:32.360 fifty miles before it's going to get to your house, 793 00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:34.800 and it could send you an alert and said, run 794 00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:38.960 outside and point your phone up into the sky to 795 00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:41.679 the southwest because there's something on its way. So you 796 00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:44.880 could be ready with your phone, ready to record objects 797 00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:47.400 based on what the radar has predicted is going to 798 00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:48.039 come your way. 799 00:42:48.519 --> 00:42:49.000 And then. 800 00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:53.800 You know, if you've ever had the stargazing apps, you 801 00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:57.039 know that your phone knows exactly where the camera's looking. Yeah, 802 00:42:57.159 --> 00:43:00.920 So that information is available to be recorded with the video. 803 00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:04.440 So there's no reason that you can't take that IMU data, 804 00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:08.880 the inertial measurement unit that's on your phone and attach 805 00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:12.840 it to the video so that when researchers have your video, 806 00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:14.599 they not only see the dot in the sky, but 807 00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:17.519 they see how your phone is moving. And then if 808 00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:20.320 multiple people can see that at once with their apps, 809 00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:22.519 which they should be able to because now we're going 810 00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:25.440 to give them advanced notice to run outside. Then you 811 00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:26.280 can triangulate. 812 00:43:26.639 --> 00:43:27.159 So that's a. 813 00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:31.159 Completely independent measurement of the same phenomena that the radar 814 00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:33.880 would be measuring. And plus, if you had an eyewitness, 815 00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:37.679 there would be eyewitness that you might also have other eyewitnesses, 816 00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:40.440 or you could even have an adduction or something like 817 00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:42.920 that that somebody phoned in that has a radar sighting 818 00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:47.280 over the top of it. So, to me, the holy 819 00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:50.280 grail of a UFO report is that you have that 820 00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:54.000 app as an independent measurement of some weird motion in 821 00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:56.320 the sky from some object. Maybe you can even see 822 00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:58.960 the shape of it. You have the radar data of it, 823 00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:03.199 and you have eyewitness reporting of it. You know, let's 824 00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:05.840 give that to some scientific group and see if they 825 00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:07.599 can make any sense out of that. 826 00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:12.159 Yeah, no, that's that's all. That's all great. And so 827 00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:15.559 the first part of the question, have you ever considered 828 00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:19.239 like a small set of say four or is it 829 00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:22.039 just so involved that you have to get into the 830 00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:24.639 software and the server and all that I mean is 831 00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:27.159 it would be difficult to test with say four of 832 00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:30.000 them in a certain hotspot location or something. 833 00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:33.760 Yeah. In fact, for the Galileo project, we set up 834 00:44:33.800 --> 00:44:38.400 five and then and so we recorded data from five things, 835 00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:40.199 and then it came you know, all the data came 836 00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:45.400 to me and there's Mitch, I'll do everything with it. Well, 837 00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:47.920 that's actually kind of a big job. And that's when 838 00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:50.280 I you know, that's when I came up with this idea, 839 00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:53.920 like I think this should be a national project. I 840 00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:55.920 think it should have funding so that I can actually 841 00:44:56.000 --> 00:45:00.239 work on it without losing my day job, you know, 842 00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:03.320 for no pay. So you know, it came down to 843 00:45:03.400 --> 00:45:08.599 kind of practicality, and it actually come for me. It 844 00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:12.320 comes down to two things. One is practicality because actually 845 00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:15.199 I would love to work on this, and I've found 846 00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:17.280 that I have to be so careful to make sure 847 00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:20.880 I don't work on this because it will totally consume 848 00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:24.599 me and then I'll lose my day job. So I 849 00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:26.880 have to It's a it sucks me right in because 850 00:45:26.920 --> 00:45:29.000 I love it so much. So that's one thing. But 851 00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:33.679 the second thing is, you know I've already shown actually 852 00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:36.840 not only have I shown that I can detect those objects, 853 00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:40.280 but you can buy a radar. You can buy like 854 00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:42.920 there's like ten companies that make passive radars that will 855 00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:45.920 show you what's in the sky. The problem is they 856 00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:48.719 cost two and a half million dollars, three million dollars, 857 00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:50.880 four million dollars, so you're not going to have ten 858 00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:55.000 thousand of those around the country. That's not practical, and 859 00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:59.679 probably you can't even buy one because it's you know, 860 00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:04.000 a millilitary thing that you available to people. But they 861 00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:05.800 have them. You can see them on the internet. You 862 00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:08.320 can look up just look up passive radar on the 863 00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:10.480 internet and you'll see, you know, you'll see video some 864 00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:12.960 guide demoing the passive radar. You can see everything in 865 00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:17.119 the sky to two hundred and fifty kilometers. So there's 866 00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:21.039 no doubt that this technology works. In fact, I based 867 00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:23.679 my first prototype off a paper that was written in 868 00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:27.039 two thousand and five, you know whatever, almost twenty years 869 00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:34.639 before I started working on it, that was contemplating whether 870 00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:37.920 it was done by NATO, contemplating whether they should change 871 00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:41.960 all the FAA, their their version of FAA in Europe 872 00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:45.480 over to passive radars. You know that people are taking 873 00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:51.000 it very seriously. It's very mature technology. You know. It's 874 00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:55.880 maybe another another way to prove that it's valuable is 875 00:46:55.920 --> 00:47:01.519 to know that it's it's regular by ITAR, so the 876 00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:06.280 international Trade and Arms regulations. So you can't just build 877 00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:08.320 a if you're not careful. You can't just build one 878 00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:11.079 of these radars and get away and sell it without 879 00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:13.760 violating a law. Because they're so valuable. They can be 880 00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:15.400 used for targeting and for war. 881 00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:20.760 So you know, so what would So so you're you're 882 00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:24.000 talking about a major cost, but you have another idea 883 00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:25.679 for you know, this is going. 884 00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:28.199 To be your your. 885 00:47:28.119 --> 00:47:30.440 Dream here is for this to be more of a 886 00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:34.760 grassroots type of situation. And so where can a price 887 00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:39.360 level go where someone can afford to have some plug 888 00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:40.639 and play type of situation. 889 00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:43.320 Yeah, well, once we do what was called I told 890 00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:46.159 you that non recoverable engineering is like this six million 891 00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:48.760 dollar kind of number where we build this all out, 892 00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:51.760 build all the touoeling the molding, get the infrastructure all 893 00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:56.119 set up to sell all that stuff, and then once 894 00:47:56.159 --> 00:47:59.719 it's for sale, it's like five hundred bucks. So you know, 895 00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:01.679 if you for forty five years, we can find ten 896 00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:04.320 thousand people across the country that can afford five hundred 897 00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:08.039 dollars to answer the question of are we alone? And 898 00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:10.800 I think we can because I'm inundated, by the way, 899 00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:12.239 with people who want to buy it. 900 00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:16.480 Yes, I've had a you know, someone already asked me. 901 00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:21.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah through a text. Yeah, so yeah, that's 902 00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:23.880 that's really something. So we have a couple of questions. 903 00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:27.840 I know, we unfortunately, I have something extremely early in 904 00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:29.960 the morning, and we can't go longer than the regular 905 00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:32.760 time tonight. I mean, I'd love to talk for but 906 00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:36.159 we've got you know, like less than ten minutes left here, 907 00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:39.679 So maybe we can answer some of these questions here. 908 00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:43.440 Could plasma reflections be a reason for why some of 909 00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:47.400 these objects are being detected? I feel that usos underwater 910 00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:51.000 would be more likely detected because of the loss of electrons. 911 00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:56.559 Well, I mean, we get reflections off of any metal objects, 912 00:48:56.559 --> 00:49:00.800 anything are conductive or plasma which is conductive, so we 913 00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:04.719 can see reflections off that stuff. We're not measuring emissions, 914 00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:07.039 so if it, you know, that's not what we're measuring. 915 00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:11.079 And like you touched on this earlier, some people, you know, 916 00:49:11.159 --> 00:49:14.480 maybe these some of these things are stealth mode, you know, 917 00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:18.519 and they're trying to the block radiation. Who knows, But 918 00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:22.440 that's okay because over the history of UFOs, plenty of 919 00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:25.400 UFOs have been seen on radar. That's you know, so 920 00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:28.400 that's fine. You know, people have told me. In fact, 921 00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:31.239 once I was presenting this to a group and I said, 922 00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:33.599 I think we'll see a UFO every week if we 923 00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:35.360 have this setup. Because if by the way, if you 924 00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:38.400 ever had followed the National UFO Reporting Center, I remember 925 00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:41.159 Peter Davenport back in the nineties said, hey, if you 926 00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:45.159 don't believe in UFO, sit with me one night, and 927 00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:47.039 then you know that you can see him fly over 928 00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:49.400 Wyoming and then it goes over to Nebraska. You know, 929 00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:53.440 you can just watch the whole thing. And so, you know, 930 00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:55.559 I said that to this group. I said, I think 931 00:49:55.599 --> 00:49:58.880 we'll you know, we'll see like every week. We'll have 932 00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:01.599 a case that we could prove UFOs are real every week. 933 00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:05.400 And he said. Some guys said, oh no, probably maybe 934 00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:07.559 once a month, and I go, okay, I'll take it 935 00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:09.360 once a month, that's fine. 936 00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:13.400 How about one just one exactly. Yeah. 937 00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:16.400 So it was great meeting up. I met Peter Davin 938 00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:18.599 what I'm sure you did. You saw him there at 939 00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:21.599 the contact of the desert. That was really great to 940 00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:22.039 meet him. 941 00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:22.559 There. 942 00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:27.239 Here's another question here is my understanding was that there 943 00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:31.599 are strict FCC guidelines on using passive our refeerrator. 944 00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:34.239 How does your program work with those restrictions. 945 00:50:34.599 --> 00:50:37.280 Yeah, the restrictions are I tire the International Trade and 946 00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:41.000 Arms for regulations, and we just make sure that we're 947 00:50:41.039 --> 00:50:44.159 not within their jurisdiction by changing our parameters, so they 948 00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:47.400 were just out of their bounds. So we're fine, and 949 00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:51.559 we're you know, we're receive only so yeah, you know, 950 00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:54.639 you would even question why there's even any regulations that 951 00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:57.119 could affect it because they're my signals. 952 00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:01.280 But anyway, Yeah, another one here. 953 00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:06.320 If such passive radiar array gets reflections from a drone swarm, 954 00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:09.719 how much information are they getting about the individual drones 955 00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:10.679 in that swarm. 956 00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:15.320 Yeah, you always have this issue of whether there's always 957 00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:18.639 a range gate size issue, so you have a minimum 958 00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:21.480 resolution where you can define, you know, what's one thing 959 00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:24.559 versus what's two things. And you know, as far as 960 00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:28.599 like I'll tell you any little swarm of drones that's 961 00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:31.639 near you, you're going to have a hard time, you know, 962 00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:35.360 counting all the drones. And where this thing really excels 963 00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:38.480 the stuff in the atmosphere that's pretty far up and 964 00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:41.599 that's where it's prime. That's where the sweet spot really is. 965 00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:43.840 But I mean, I would love to have these set 966 00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:46.000 up during all that New Jersey stuff because one thing, 967 00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:48.840 Oh yeah, even if you can't count the drones, we 968 00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:51.039 could have seen where they were going, where they came, 969 00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:52.159 where are they going to? 970 00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:54.880 Like that's a big question. Where'd they come from? Where 971 00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:55.760 they where did they go? 972 00:51:56.199 --> 00:51:58.920 Yeah? You know if they go straight up into space, 973 00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:00.920 we'd see it and it and you know the cool 974 00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:04.079 thing about passive radar. It could be raining, it could 975 00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:07.039 be snowing, it could be wow, complete fog. It could 976 00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:10.039 be a night, the dead and knight. I mean, we 977 00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:13.840 always talk about lights in the sky only because we 978 00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:16.199 don't see the UFOs that aren't lit up. We only 979 00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:18.039 see the ones that are lit up. There could be 980 00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:21.280 UFOs flying over all the time that don't have self illumination. 981 00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:24.039 This thing will see them. You know. 982 00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:27.639 There was someone I talked to one time that said 983 00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:30.519 they were basically laying on a blanket on their back, 984 00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:33.119 just looking up at a meteor shower, and all of 985 00:52:33.159 --> 00:52:37.000 a sudden they saw a triangular black stars, a shape 986 00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:40.440 of black stars being blacked out in a triangular moving. 987 00:52:40.199 --> 00:52:41.719 Over the sky. No lights. 988 00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:45.400 I mean that that was remarkable. That would be really 989 00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:48.440 something else. Let's see, if I'm going to catch all 990 00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:52.599 these questions, here's a what about tornadoes? This question is 991 00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:57.840 about tornadoes probability and prediction. Right, my remembered experience includes 992 00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:01.760 being warned by NHI about tornadoes five minutes later. Can 993 00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:07.039 you imagine a predictive AI that precise? 994 00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:09.760 I mean, we really haven't had much time to talk. 995 00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:13.960 About AI, but would there be AI involved in any 996 00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:14.800 of this? 997 00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:19.800 Well, to answer that question specifically, I mean, if if 998 00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:23.320 we had a system that would reliably detect UFOs, because, 999 00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:25.960 by the way, this would be so much more reliable 1000 00:53:26.039 --> 00:53:29.320 than witness eyewitnesses because of what we were talking about, 1001 00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:32.800 especially in severe weather, Like in severe weather, it's all 1002 00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:35.800 full of cloud there's clouds, there's hail, there's everything wind blowing, 1003 00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:39.800 and you're probably inside hiding, you know. But if we 1004 00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:42.199 had that data, we could make those correlations. And I'm 1005 00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:44.480 not aware of any you know, I didn't hear that 1006 00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:47.880 correlation between tornadoes and UFO sighting, so I'm not aware 1007 00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:50.400 of that at all, but certainly this data would help 1008 00:53:50.440 --> 00:53:52.639 and could go into somebody's database and they could figure 1009 00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:56.119 out those statistics and then as far as AI. Of 1010 00:53:56.119 --> 00:53:59.119 course this is ripe to throw AI on to look 1011 00:53:59.159 --> 00:54:03.199 for patterns. Still for different things. It's not required because 1012 00:54:03.280 --> 00:54:08.199 the equations to do triangulation don't require AI, so that's 1013 00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:13.320 not a prerequisite to this. But certainly like maybe flagging 1014 00:54:13.400 --> 00:54:15.840 things that look weird, you know that that could be 1015 00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:19.320 an AI, you know, alarms or whatever. But we're going 1016 00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:23.039 to record all the data so that you know, if 1017 00:54:23.480 --> 00:54:25.880 maybe you don't even know anything happened until two weeks 1018 00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:29.599 later someone says they saw something in the sky, you 1019 00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:32.039 could go back two weeks ago and then look at 1020 00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:34.079 the data there and see if there was a reflection 1021 00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:35.159 that was overlooked. 1022 00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:38.239 Now this antenna, would this be something like on a 1023 00:54:38.320 --> 00:54:41.639 rooftop or something where they get a broad view of 1024 00:54:41.800 --> 00:54:42.559 open space? 1025 00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:46.719 Yep, yeah, I mean be very much like a TV antenna, 1026 00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:51.199 you know, And I know that there's hoa rules nowadays, 1027 00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:54.360 you know whatever, But all we need is ten thousand sites, right, 1028 00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:57.480 and ten thousand people who are able to put up 1029 00:54:57.719 --> 00:55:00.679 a TV antenna and you know, maybe or a TV 1030 00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:03.960 intent a looking thing and you know, maybe it doesn't 1031 00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:07.440 fit every single scenario. You know, maybe you have an 1032 00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:10.360 apartment in the on the tenth floor of a twenty 1033 00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:12.719 store story building, and you can't really even get your 1034 00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:18.000 antenna anywhere, you know, So there's definitely a use case 1035 00:55:18.039 --> 00:55:20.400 that makes sense here. But we're just going to do 1036 00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:21.400 the best we can, you know. 1037 00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:24.519 Yeah, I've had a lot of weird thoughts, you know, 1038 00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:27.239 in my mind over the years. But one of the 1039 00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:29.159 things I was thinking one time, I was talking about 1040 00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:32.039 this person that laid out on the grass and looked 1041 00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:34.239 up at the sky, which I've done a lot, and 1042 00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:37.239 whether it's a hot tub or whatever, I love looking 1043 00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:40.480 up at this the night sky. And I've always wondered, like, 1044 00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:43.440 if you had a camera in one location looking right 1045 00:55:43.519 --> 00:55:47.480 up wherever you're at for a hundred years, I imagined 1046 00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:54.480 you'd see amazing, amazing things, you know, UFOs and you know. 1047 00:55:54.519 --> 00:55:57.039 I mean I saw a fireball one time. That's just 1048 00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:01.199 it was such an astonishing thing because as it was round. 1049 00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:02.920 I've to explained this a couple of times, but. 1050 00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:09.159 It was so weird. The fireball I saw was perfectly round, 1051 00:56:09.199 --> 00:56:12.280 it was rotating, It had cracks that looked like lava, 1052 00:56:12.320 --> 00:56:14.800 and the cracks and sparks flying out of it. 1053 00:56:14.920 --> 00:56:17.239 I Mean, the weirdest thing this is in the eighties 1054 00:56:18.039 --> 00:56:21.199 and yeah, I mean the weird things you see when 1055 00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:22.920 you're here outside, I mean. 1056 00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:24.320 They have forever. 1057 00:56:25.239 --> 00:56:27.320 So so you know, when you when you talk about 1058 00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:29.400 putting a camera up, it's a great idea, but there's 1059 00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:32.119 a couple issues about it. One is, you have a 1060 00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:34.239 lot of video that you're never going to look through, 1061 00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:37.840 so you definitely you need some kind of automated system 1062 00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:40.840 that's going to detect weird things. Yeah, and then it 1063 00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:42.599 would be a great idea, but you know, it's not 1064 00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:46.480 as great as is the radar. For one thing, if 1065 00:56:46.519 --> 00:56:48.440 you just put it, Let's say you put ten cameras 1066 00:56:48.440 --> 00:56:50.639 pointing in ten different directions on your roof, so you're 1067 00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:55.239 getting like full sky coverage. Cameras can only see, you know, 1068 00:56:55.320 --> 00:56:58.320 if something is ten kilometers away, it's a dot or 1069 00:56:58.480 --> 00:57:01.199 invisible on a camera. That's kind of like the limit 1070 00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:05.159 of a camera unless it's super bright, you know, but 1071 00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:08.440 how many we don't know anything about. You know what 1072 00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:13.079 if it's not super bright, and then you know, here 1073 00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:15.480 in contrast, you know, the radar can see out one 1074 00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:18.559 hundred kilometers and it also is measuring velocity at the 1075 00:57:18.559 --> 00:57:22.880 same time, so there's a very big difference between a 1076 00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:27.400 radar and a and a camera. Sure, in fact, the 1077 00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:30.360 likelihood are we running out of time? 1078 00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:35.440 We are unfortunately? Yes, okay, against it? 1079 00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:38.599 Yeah, go ahead to get it one, you know, thirty 1080 00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:42.519 second sentence or ten seconds. Yeah, I guess the chance 1081 00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:45.119 of seeing something in the sky is proportional to the 1082 00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:48.159 volume you're seeing, the volume you're looking at, and the 1083 00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:51.239 volume is the cube of the radius. So if you 1084 00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:55.079 can see ten kilometers, let's call that. Let's just normalize 1085 00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:57.480 that and say that's a one. If you could see 1086 00:57:57.480 --> 00:58:02.440 a hundred kilometers, that's like whatever. Ten thousand times more volume, 1087 00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:05.119 ten thousand more chance times have a chance that you're 1088 00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:05.920 going to see something. 1089 00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:10.239 Makes a great point. Yes, all right, Well, thank you 1090 00:58:10.280 --> 00:58:12.440 so much. It's been a real pleasure. I really enjoyed 1091 00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:14.960 talking and I wish you could have been longer. But 1092 00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:17.360 I hope to have you back on, especially if you 1093 00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:19.840 get this thing rolling, and i'd like to if you do, 1094 00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:21.800 I'd like to help out with that any way I can, 1095 00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:23.480 So thanks so much. 1096 00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:25.679 Thank you for having me on. I appreciate it. 1097 00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:30.000 All right, SkyWatch, can someone find you SkyWatch? 1098 00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:35.119 Yeah, send an Ai dot slash SkyWatch send at ai 1099 00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:39.679 dot com. Slash SkyWatch very good. Okay, take care yep, 1100 00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:41.480 thank you, bye bye, thanks bye. 1101 00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:44.400 All right everyone, so we'll be back this Thursday at 1102 00:58:44.440 --> 00:58:48.840 a pm Eastern with Stacey Wright, and next week as 1103 00:58:48.840 --> 00:58:49.920 I mentioned, with Don Schmid. 1104 00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:50.599 Thanks so much. 1105 00:58:51.000 --> 00:59:03.000 Remember to keep your eyes to the sky. They