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So very intrigued by what Kelly Pepinkann accomplishes the defense

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coordinator real quick though, just to kind of recap Kelly's

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trajectory as a coach there at BYU, he was a

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fantastic football player, team captain, led the team in tackles

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in two thousand and seven, and I believe that single

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season productivity put him placed him thirty ninth overall and

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total tackles in a single season. I mean, there were

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some remarkable seasons from some of these these linebackers back

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Speaker 4: I believe Schad Hansen, I.

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Speaker 3: Guess had one hundred and ninety three tackles one season

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Speaker 4: That's an insane number. Anyway.

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Speaker 3: K Pop comes in at number thirty nine, one of

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the best Mike linebackers in the modern era for BYU

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in a legacy name that you guys all know on

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Love in two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 4: After his NFL career, After he played for a.

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Speaker 3: Multitude of teams in the NFL, he became a defensive

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intern got into coaching, and then became a defensive graduate

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assistant and interim outside linebackers coach in twenty ten. From

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two thousand eleven twenty twelve, he was at BYU's outside.

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Speaker 4: Linebackers coach full time.

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Speaker 3: From twenty thirteen to twenty fifteen BYU Special Teams Coordinator

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and outside linebackers coach. Then took his talents to Virginia

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with coach men in all two thousand sixteen to twenty

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twenty Virginia outside linebackers coach, and also in twenty twenty

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one was the just the linebackers coach so the entire

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unit and by the way, in twenty sixteen, two thousy

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seventeen Virginia Special teams coordinator coach, twenty eighteen to twenty

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twenty one Virginia coach, defensive coordinator and edge position coach.

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Speaker 4: In twenty twenty two, took.

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Speaker 3: His towns to Boise State, was coach special teams coordinator

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and edge position coach, and then came back home twenty

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twenty two to twenty twenty five Bill your special teams

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coordinator and defensive ends coach and now twenty twenty six

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to present BYU Defensive coordinator so a couple other coaching notes.

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the co special teams coordinator and exposition coach at Boys

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to State for the twenty twenty two seasons. Since taking

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over that group, the special teams unit has been the

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best unit in my opinion for ESPN ESPN sp plus metric,

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They've been the most effective and efficient group comparative.

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I've been impressed with a special teams unit. I can't

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wait to see what k Pop can do with this defense.

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and welcome in. You know he's gonna love This stat

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ranked thirty ninth all time in BYU football history in

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season a single season total tackles. Uh, just just behind

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let's see here, You're just behind Aaron Francisco, who was

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a tremendous linebacker.

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Speaker 5: I'll take that one.

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Speaker 3: I'll you know what I mean, You're right there next

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to Aaron Francis, which was pretty impressive.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, I'll let Aaron have that one. That's okay.

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He's a great player. If you're gonna tell me somebody

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like Brian Kiel or something like that, I would have

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Speaker 3: No, man, you you had one hundred and thirteen tackles

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that season in two thousand and seven, leading our defense.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, it was a great defense.

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Speaker 3: Everyone thinks that that seventeen was all offense. It's a

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bunch of malarkey. That defense was fantastic.

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Speaker 4: K Popper.

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Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, we had some really good players, man, and

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we learned from a really good defense from the year

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before and built off of those guys. And yeah, that's

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we had. We had great players from you know yourself

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and kill and Nixon and Markel Staffieri. You had a

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good noseguard line Ethan Molly Butler, Luna was a freshman

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that came in and played. I mean that was Yeah,

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there's a lot of really good players on that team

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that ended up becoming even better players as the years

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Speaker 3: When you think of like the great defenses that you

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were a part of, the great defenses that you've been

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able to coach, uh, the great defenses that you've been

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able to oversee in your your career, What are some

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of the qualities of a great defense?

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Speaker 5: Would you say, you know, we just hit this, we

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just hit this yesterday. As the defense, and I believe

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it all starts with an edge. Man, Great defenses play

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with an edge like they play with this this confidence

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and this swagger that everybody can feel. And I think

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we've seen that the last couple of years. That edge

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comes with you know, relentless pursuit and effort. You know,

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there's physicality and violence that's played with it. There's this

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you know, swagger. I don't want to say cockyness. It's

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like right on the edge of being cocky, like everybody

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knows they're good, but they you know, it's right to

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the point where we're not going to go around. I'm

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telling everybody that we're good. But I just I've felt

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that here the last couple of years. For sure. It's

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something that that twenty twelve team had. I think those

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defenses was Danny, Danny Sorenson and you know, Kyle van

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Oi and Ziggy and those guys. I felt that in

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seven when I was here. There's a year at Virginia

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we were really really good and felt the same way.

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there's the swagger of this edge that that you play

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with that comes from confidence of you you knowing what

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to do and doing it at a high level.

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Speaker 4: Is it dud?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: I think you got Yeah, I think you got to

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earn it. I think you got to show it. You

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got to earn it. And yeah, there was there's an

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example I showed yesterday of Glasger of him playing with

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this edge, and uh, and I told everybody it just

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didn't happen overnight, Like Glasger just didn't show up and

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all of a sudden that he had to He had

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to go through it his first year in twenty twenty three, right,

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he had to go through being a backup and you know,

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going and making mistakes and learning the hard way a

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couple of times. And then he gained more of that

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as he played more in twenty four and then you

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know last year in twenty five. But it just yeah,

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it's turned over time. Man. It doesn't just happen. You've

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got to earn that through not just hard work in

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the weight room and on the field, but also just

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knowing what to do and you got to make plays.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Humans are creatures of habit, right, No one likes change

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in the human, you know, amongst Homo sapiens, and so

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there were some changes, right. You get an opportunity to

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be DC and we've brought in some new coaches. Tell

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us about some of the coaches that are coming in

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and why they were the right fit for you and

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll start with Chad Kaha. Like Chad's been with us,

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Chad is a season season that when it comes to

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coaching defensive ends and outside backers, and he's coaching big

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time guys from his time at Utah Wisconsin to when

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he went to USC and UCLA. And so he's been

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with us the last three years and he's his role

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what increased each each year. Last year he's kind of

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like our past rush specialist and really you know, helped

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kind of our our whole entire defense go to the

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next level and get I think we got over thirty

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sacks a year ago. And you know it was a

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lot with just the work that he put in with

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those guys. And so now he's he's going to be

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over those outside backers and edge guys that I had

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over the last couple of years, and and I think

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he's I think he's exceptional with that. And so I

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really like just his experience and just his attention to

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detail in the way that he does things with those guys.

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extremely excited about, being very impressed. We've all been together

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as a staff now for two weeks and uh and

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really three weeks. I would say we've been together for

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three weeks. And and Louis Walker coming from North Dakota

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He has great energy, great detailed, very smart. He's a

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guy that was that's been a coordinator before, right, so

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he he knows defensive football. And he's not not just

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the back end, he knows front play. And and then

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the Mario Warren that's, you know, the guy that I

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very first hired, that I told myself a long time

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ago if I could ever hire anybody as a coordinator,

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he probably my first started just how how impressed I

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was with him when I was at Boise State. And

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a guy that has head coaching experience, he's also called

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defenses before, and he'll he'll be heavily, heavily involved in

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our past game and uh calling the shots of how

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things are going to be done on the back end,

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and uh, you know this has been new for him.

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high cover two, cover four type of guy and playing

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more one high, you know, man free cover three and

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some of this one high stuff that we do here.

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and he's been uncomfortable. So uh, it's it's been There's

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been a change for a lot of us. But I

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think that's where growth happens. Growth happens when you have

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to go through that change. And so yeah, it's exciting.

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I'm excited about the staff that we have, and I

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think we've messed really well together over the last couple

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of weeks that we've been together. And yeah, we started

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spring ball here in a couple of days and we're

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ready to rock and roll and get this thing going.

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Speaker 3: Love that breakdown, Kelly pinga defensive coordinator here on your

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maybe the skill sets that they provide to the team,

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the roster, and uh one of the things I thought

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was interesting. So initially to Mario Warren was maybe hired

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to be the cornerbacks coach. But then you know, something changed, right,

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like to figure out skill sets and best best personnel

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to oversee your defense from a position group standpoint.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I you know when I when I try to

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think of the best way it is when Gennaro decided

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to leave and go to Michigan, I thought for sure

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to Mario was going to be going to be our

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corners coach. And then the more I was around him

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and then just seeing his understanding of the back end

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as we were talking through our defense. So there was

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about a week or two there where we were just

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all alone. We didn't have anybody else hired. Soon I

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was here still, but we were talking more coverage stuff

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and we were as we were going through that and

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I was teaching them the defense, I just thought, man,

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it would be it would be great if we could

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find a great corners coach and to make this guy

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a safeties coach, because I think you can coordinate the

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back end in the pass game a lot better from

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a safety position coach rather than a corners position coach.

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I just think they they the safeties a lot of

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times in the back end, they're making the calls and

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telling the corners what to do, right, So I found

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it would be a lot better if that was coming

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from the safeties coach rather than him, you know, being

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the corners coach. And so as I went through the

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interview process and started interviewing all these different guys, that's

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when I found Lewis and I was like, holy cow,

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we can get this guy to coach our corners and

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at the Mario coach the safeties. That's that's the combination

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that we had. And we had a lot of really

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good candidates. There was a lot of really good guys,

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guys that I'd worked with before and guys that I

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coached with before that are all really good coaches. And

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I had never coached with Lewis, and so it was hard.

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for me to make because I had some really good

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friends and guys that had worked with before that were

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very good, and really the hire a guy that I'd

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never worked with before and really didn't know that was

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that came highly recommended, and as we went through the

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interview processes and we talked, I thought Lewis would be

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he'd be an exceptional fit here. I thought he'd fit

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really well with de Mario. And I knew that he

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was also going to be loyal to Kilwey and to

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a Rod and to the staff because he's been with

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those guys from day one when he was a player

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at the University of Utah. So I just felt like

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there was a lot of positives. And then just with

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his Utah ties, I just thought there was a lot

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of things that he brought to the table. East Coast

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recruiting he's got. I mean, we're already recruiting guys from

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the East Coast now just because of his ties that

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he had when he was at Mama Thing, when he

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was at North Dakota State recruiting out there. So there

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was just a ton of positives that came from hiring him.

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And at the end of the day, you know, me

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and Clonie talking it through, I just thought it was

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a no brainer. I thought he, for sure, far and

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away was the best candidate for us in this moment,

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right and nothing against any of those other coaches. I

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think those other coaches that interview were great and are

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gonna be very successful whatever they do. But at this moment,

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in this time of where our program was and what

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our staff needed, I thought Louis was the best best

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fit with tomorrow and you know the rest of our staff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for cornerbacks, you know, it seems like they're always

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looking for like a technician to give me all the techniques,

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give me all the footwork, what expound maybe on what

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maybe Lewis can provide there, because Gennaro was always uh

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labeled as that technician and developer.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think Lewis there's you know you and

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Lewis's he's pretty young dude man, and he's I think

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he can mesh really well with our players. I think

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he relates to him really well. And I think, you know,

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immediately he's gained their respect as he's come in, and

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I think, you know, I think as soon as a coach.

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So players players are funny now, they know they know

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immediately if you can coach or not. You sit in

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one meeting for five minutes and you're like, oh, yeah,

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this guy can coach or he can't coach, right, And

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so day one he came out of their first meeting

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and first walked through, and and you know, the DVS

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were like, oh, yeah, goes, this is this is the

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guy right here. This is who we needed, This is

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who we wanted. And I think, you know, nothing against General.

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General was a great coach and they did a great

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job with those guys. But this is you know, like

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you said, sometimes a new voice brings new ideas and

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challenges guys in different ways. And you know, he just

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coaches guys different Everybody coaches in different ways and has

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different styles, and so this style of coaching and the

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way that Lewis is going to do it, I think

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is gonna sit really with our players. And at least

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the feedback from the a couple of weeks that he's

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been here has been really good for the players. And

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so we'll see how it goes. Man, everybody's kind of

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in the honeymoon phase right now. You know, when we

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get on the field, when we get on the field

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on Friday, and then we'll see when the bullets start

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being a little live out there and actually, you know,

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play football, we'll see how it goes. But as far

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as walkthroughs and meetings and those things have gone, I

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think we're right where we want to be at this point.

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Speaker 3: A couple other things as it relates to the coaching

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staff that I find intriguing everyone. All the Boa fans,

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they love pressure, You love pressure being a linebacker, and

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and uh, you know, just getting after quarterbacks, et cetera.

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Chad K he's been there, he's been a part of

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the squad. But what does he bring maybe to the

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outside edge guys and the techniques that he employs and

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the coaching at the form of fashion which he coaches.

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Speaker 4: Uh, and and what type of impact do you think

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coach Chad k can make?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's between the outside backers and the

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inside backers that we have. I think we've I think

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we've done a really good job as the staff recruiting

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and so I think there's really good talent at both

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of those positions. And I think Chad is going to

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bring an opportunity to be able to We're gonna be

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more versatile, I think than we've been, meaning in that way,

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I think there's gonna be times kind of like how

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we use glass at times where there's times where it

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looks like he's outside backer at times where he's inside backer.

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But now we're gonna be able to do that with

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multiple guys, and I think that's gonna be uh you know,

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that's a big part of why I moved the inside

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backers because of my experience with outside backer and the

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inside backers being able to do that too as well,

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being able to go back and forth. And that's when

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it gets hard for offenses when they can't identify whosho,

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who's the inside backers the outside backer. And if you

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watch the NFL and and if you looked and saw

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what kind of the Patriots do with Kyle Banoay, it's

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kind of a similar similar concept, right where what is

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Kyle is then outside backer, he's an inside backers kind

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of like what we did to Kyle with Kyle back

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in the day. And we were doing that with Glassger

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last year and Nucie at the end of the year.

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So it's nothing new, but I think we're now going

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to be able to do that with more guys and

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be able to hide guys in positions that typically you know,

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offensives might think they're, you know, an inside backer, but

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they're an outside backer. Hey, this guy was an outside

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backer's played four now he's an inside backer. So being

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able to have that versatility. I think Chad brings that,

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but I mean his specialties as rush and h I

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think those guys are you know, from Hunter Klegg to

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the new seed, the tall Seely. I think those guys

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that played force last year, I think are going to

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have just a new way to hear. I mean, you know, obviously,

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you know, you know I'm leaving that room, but I

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think a new voice going in there for those guys

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is going to be doing It's going to help those guys,

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you know, hopefully take the next step to be great

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football players.

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Speaker 3: Justin Ena taking over a special teams coordinator, and I

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mean up to this point, I haven't seen anything official,

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but he's not He's just coaching special teams. He's not

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taking a position, correct, Yeah, yep.

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Speaker 5: So co why coach Enna's playing are doing special teams

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because I think we wanted to just get to a

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guy that just coached special teams. So I think that

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probably was gonna end up being my role. If every

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everything ended up staying the same as my guests to

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where and you could hire another assistant coach, right, So

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instead of having ten full time assistant coaches, now we

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have eleven plus the head coach, which makes you know,

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twelve full time guys and and really, you know more

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with the unlimited amount of coaching positions that the NCA

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has given us. Now, I think that's going to even

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get bigger. I think there's going to be other roles

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that are going to continue to increase, increase your on my,

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on my, our staff, and so we'll see, Yeah we're goes.

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But yeah, Justin's a great coach. He's done a great job.

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But I think he's kind of the same deal. I

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think he's excited for you know, I don't want to

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speak for him, but kind of the same deal, excited

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for kind of a new adventure and a new way

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to learn and grow as a coach.

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Speaker 3: From a schematic standpoint, defensively, over the last few years,

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how would you describe the defense?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Is it a three four? Is it a four to three?

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Is it a three three five? Is it multiple?

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Speaker 4: You know? How is it? By forget a BUYU?

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Speaker 3: Fans are always asking me these questions, and I'm like, Hey,

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this is what it looks like to me, and what

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will it be?

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Speaker 4: What will it look like going forward?

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Speaker 5: Do you think the best way that I can describe

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it is klan all right.

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Speaker 1: I just know that, all right.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how other way to say it. But

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something in that, something in the middle of that, something

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right in the middle of that is what it'll be,

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something like that. So it'll be it'll be a mixture

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of a bunch of stuff I've I've learned over the years.

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But we're not going to depart, you know, too far

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from our base of what we've done here the last

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couple of years. And that's just that's just who Klanie is.

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And you know, Coach as with us, and that's who

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he is. And and they've taught me a ton over

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the last couple of years. And Coach Hill I got it.

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I mean I get a good that guy credit. He's

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taught me a ton and just the scheme of things

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and and and you know, just to I think everybody

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just needs to understand, like at the end of the day,

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you know, Coach Will leaves and he left this place

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in a great spot. But Coach Will learned this defense

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from Coach Anderson, he learned it from Kilanie. They all

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learned it from Kyle Whittingham, right, So it's it's that

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whole tree, right, So It's not like because Coach Hill

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left and all of a sudden, this this whole defense

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is gone. Like two of the main creators of this

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defense are still in this building, right, and so getting

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feedback from those guys every single day. Coach Anderson's in

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our staff meetings every single day. Kilanie is in meetings

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when he can when he's not doing head coach stuff.

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I mean, he was in my position meeting all day

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to day with the linebackers, right, So he's super passionate

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about that. So having him that voice in there with

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me is awesome and we see things very very similar,

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which is good. And so just that involvement and they're

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voices and their experiences that they have in this defense,

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I think just gives gives myself as a new decordinator

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of an advantage from two guys that have done the

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scheme in the system for a very long time.

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Speaker 3: Before we get to kind of an overarching kind of

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going into the off season training, uh, you know, springball conversation.

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Who stood out to you in the off season? I

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know that hey, champions can be made in the weight

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room and in the strength and conditioning room. Who's stood

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out to you on the human performance side of things.

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After all, you were going to be a human performance

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coach before you got roped into this college football coaching game.

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Speaker 5: I know, yeah so, And I think As has been

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great man. He's strong, super strong kid, great leader. He

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stood out to me probably more than anybody. But I

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think even even our other leaders like our corners positions.

478
00:21:53,079 --> 00:21:55,640
I've been really impressed with Evan. Evan Johnson's put on

479
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some weight and some strength and some speed. He's looked

480
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really good, and leadership qualities have been awesome. Raider to

481
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,839
Mooney on follat Ou saying, like the guys that you

482
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,440
thought were going to be that are great per ut

483
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,440
players for so those guys, those guys have had great

484
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,640
off seasons. And so I would say if I were

485
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to pick one guy that's come out of nowhere and

486
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,799
as surprised the heck out of us as far as

487
00:22:16,839 --> 00:22:19,240
just being ready to play in good shape, is uh.

488
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,079
Jake Clifton are the transfer from Kansas State, just came

489
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,640
home off a mission, got home in December, was here

490
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:30,519
eager to go in January. And he is He is

491
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impressive man, and he moves well. He's big, he's strong,

492
00:22:33,079 --> 00:22:34,920
he's fast. He just power clean. He just I mean,

493
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he's been home a mission from a mission three months

494
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,519
and he's just power cleean the other day three thirty five,

495
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,559
which is really really hard to do for anybody, but

496
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especially the guys that's just been home off a mission

497
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for two months, three months. So I'm excited to see

498
00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:48,640
him continue to progress and just the few things that

499
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we've been able to do with them so far. I'm

500
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excited about his movements and his leadership and his personality,

501
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,440
like he fits in really really well with what we

502
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do here. And yeah, just you know, one of those

503
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one of the surprises. Man, you usually think a missionary

504
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:03,960
is going to take about a year or so to

505
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,559
be able to clean you know what. He cleaned the

506
00:23:05,599 --> 00:23:07,960
other dat power clean that. And he made it look

507
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,039
easy too as well. So I'm excited about that new guy.

508
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 3: Overarching questions, this is a team question that I think

509
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:15,119
you guys.

510
00:23:14,839 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 4: Talk about a lot. Continual consistent success.

511
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Speaker 3: How do you balance the success eleven to two, twelve

512
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and two back to back seasons. You try to leverage

513
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:29,160
that positive positively recruiting public relations, getting fans and donors engaged,

514
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et cetera.

515
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Speaker 4: But from a.

516
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Speaker 3: Team standpoint, you know, still instilling like this, humble, hungry,

517
00:23:35,079 --> 00:23:39,279
you know, compartmentalizing that these seasons are siloed in, they

518
00:23:39,279 --> 00:23:42,279
are individual. You have to create the championship season in

519
00:23:42,319 --> 00:23:44,000
the success right now.

520
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you said it already, man, Look at that's

521
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,400
Kalanie's message, that's one of our core guys in Principal's years.

522
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,119
To stay humble and stay hungry. And honestly, it doesn't

523
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,319
matter what we've done in the past, nothing, none of

524
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,519
that matters. Nobody cares, I promise you right now, nobody

525
00:23:57,519 --> 00:23:59,640
in the big twelve pairs how good we were the

526
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,799
last years. What matters is the work that we put

527
00:24:02,799 --> 00:24:05,759
in right now, the belief and confidence we build with

528
00:24:05,799 --> 00:24:08,119
each other over the next couple of months as we

529
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,799
get ready for the season, and we got to prepare

530
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,319
and we got to go earn it, and it's not

531
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going to be given to us. And so I think

532
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,960
our guys are hungry, and I think they're anxious. I

533
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,440
think they're anxious to prove that we're better than what

534
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,480
we showed, you know, especially in those two games against

535
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,279
Texas Tech. But those games I think we were necessary.

536
00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:25,640
They were necessary. We had to go through that to

537
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,039
be able to learn and grow to get to where

538
00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:29,279
we want to now. And so if we handle it

539
00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:31,359
the right way, then I believe it's going to help

540
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,359
us take us to the next level. And so I

541
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:35,960
tell our guys all the time, Man, we don't we

542
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,000
don't need to go around and tell everybody how good

543
00:24:38,039 --> 00:24:40,039
we think we're going to be. All we need to

544
00:24:40,079 --> 00:24:42,160
do is go talk or go do the work and

545
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,440
not do any talking. There's no talking necessary. And that's

546
00:24:44,759 --> 00:24:47,559
that's one thing that I think in the past here,

547
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,240
not just any team, but I just think people get

548
00:24:50,319 --> 00:24:53,000
so overhyped about the offseason and just all this guy's

549
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,920
coming back and this guy's coming back. It doesn't matter

550
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,880
who's coming back. At the end of the day, everybody

551
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,200
still has to put in the work and go through

552
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,400
the process to be great. There's been there's been great

553
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,400
teams here in the past that have had great depth

554
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,680
that went eating five or went you know whatever, nine

555
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,720
to four or whatever. So we want to take this

556
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,920
this depth that we have, in this experience that we

557
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,839
have and take it to a whole other level. And

558
00:25:14,839 --> 00:25:16,960
we got to go earn it every single day, right,

559
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,000
And so Friday is kind of that first step and

560
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,279
really in the next phase, right, We're moving from the

561
00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:25,079
off season winter phase conditioning into now springball. That's the

562
00:25:25,079 --> 00:25:27,079
next phase. And we gotta we gotta win, win the

563
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day every single day.

564
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Speaker 3: And uh, and they're putting in the work just so

565
00:25:31,599 --> 00:25:35,799
everybody knows, uh full transparency. The band of brothers tried

566
00:25:35,839 --> 00:25:38,400
to get together and like do a little lunch with

567
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K Pop and he's like, guys, I have to cancel.

568
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 4: I'm way too busy.

569
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Speaker 3: I'm like, the only way we're gonna be able to

570
00:25:43,559 --> 00:25:46,440
get together and celebrate a K Pop becoming the defense

571
00:25:46,519 --> 00:25:49,240
coring is if we meet at the Y Mountain at

572
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four thirty am for a quick run up the hill

573
00:25:51,839 --> 00:25:52,480
like old.

574
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 5: Times, only only if Bronco Menenham meets us there and

575
00:25:56,319 --> 00:25:58,640
meets That's the only way. That's the only way we're

576
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doing it. So we got to get we gotta get

577
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,559
an invite from Bronco. You gotta try to beat us,

578
00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:04,960
because I guarantee you all of us are gonna be

579
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able to beat them.

580
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,839
Speaker 4: Yes we will be. Yes we will be the only time.

581
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Speaker 5: This might be the only time in our lives that

582
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we can see that.

583
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,319
Speaker 3: Yep, amen to that. Cape, appreciate you hopping on. Congratulations

584
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,559
on becoming the defensive coordinat excited to look at the

585
00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:17,480
defense at springball.

586
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Speaker 5: Thank you all right, guys, appreciate you.

587
00:26:20,319 --> 00:26:20,599
Speaker 4: There you go.

588
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,880
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are a little bit poors defensively, but they are ranked

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I believe in the top fifty and Ken Palm. That's

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better than many of the teams. The bou has struggled

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against the season, even when playing at home. We're gonna

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get to know the foe and find out what they

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Let's get to know the phone. We got Mark Daniels,

631
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,359
the voice of the UCF Knights on the line. Mark,

632
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how the heck are you, buddy?

633
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm doing good. Thank you.

634
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Speaker 4: Always a pleasure talking ball with you. Mark.

635
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Speaker 3: Look this UCF team, how would you describe this season

636
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,480
and the identity of the squad?

637
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: Well, ma, UCF is certainly outplayed what many people predicted

638
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,839
with the season which was towards the bottom of the

639
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,000
Big Twelve, and the team that is totally new, every

640
00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:45,799
player that will play tonight that was not in this

641
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,960
roster last year, but had some nice wins early one

642
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,680
at Texas A and M beat some good mid major teams,

643
00:28:52,319 --> 00:28:54,160
and then I think surprised some people early on in

644
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,359
the Big Twelve with some victories. A team that you know,

645
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,519
has more than one option to score, which is different

646
00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:02,319
than last year's team, which really relied on a couple

647
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,799
of players defensive, one that play well at time, struggle

648
00:29:05,839 --> 00:29:08,480
at times, but it starts with the point guard. Themis

649
00:29:08,519 --> 00:29:11,519
folks who's been really good this season, among the leaders

650
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:13,880
in the conference and country and assists per game, a

651
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,359
guy that doesn't rely on a three point shot. He's

652
00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:18,720
like another coach of the four for Johnny Dawkins, and

653
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,119
he's done a great job. And you puts himself in

654
00:29:21,119 --> 00:29:24,440
a position where every game is critical right now. You know,

655
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I think maybe they're on the right side of the

656
00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:29,559
bubble today. That bubble can change, but I think UCF's

657
00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:31,200
in a position that a lot of people didn't think

658
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they'd be and when the season began back in November.

659
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this roster can definitely get buckets. When k y

660
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:42,160
Kevin Young was asked on about a scouting report on UCF,

661
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,519
he said, there's a lot of great one on one players,

662
00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:48,400
guys that can create off the bounce and score in droves.

663
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,720
How would you describe the offensive proficiency and talents of

664
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the squad?

665
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they've had a variety of guys that have stepped

666
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,680
up and had big games, and I think, you know,

667
00:29:57,759 --> 00:30:00,599
good part is they don't need anyone in particular player.

668
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You know from Riley cougle who leads a team in scoring.

669
00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:06,640
Jordan Burks is a tough matchup. He's a six to

670
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,519
eight guy that's a great corner three shooter can also

671
00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:12,359
get to the basket. Demus Folks I mentioned before, is

672
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everything about thirteen points a game. They've got a couple

673
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,799
of three point shooters that come off the bench, So,

674
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you know, I think the mission of this team is

675
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,440
a spread scoring out so that you can't take so

676
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much away with one guy. Last year, UCF had two

677
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,079
key scores Keyshawn Hall, who you know is top of

678
00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:29,279
the conference and scoring last year. He's an offer and

679
00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:31,880
putting up great numbers. This year, Darius Johnson was a

680
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,839
four year point guard for UCF. Those two guys were

681
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really the key scorers. This is a team that has,

682
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you know, varyona scoring options for them and need their

683
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:43,160
guys to play their role. UF is at its best

684
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,279
when everybody does what they're good at, and if you

685
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do that, you give yourself a chance to win. Where

686
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,759
they've struggled is when the shots on the fall and

687
00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:54,279
their defense is not on then they get a chance

688
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,559
and then they kind of lose opportunities to stay in

689
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basketball game. So that's going to be a challenge tonight

690
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for UCF.

691
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Speaker 3: This BYU basketball team seems to be finding its stride.

692
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:09,440
You look at the the records, you look at you know,

693
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,079
in the Big twelve, and overall the b YU and

694
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,960
UCF they look evenly matched. Why is b YU favored

695
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,039
so heavily in this game? For Vegas and for some

696
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,319
of the analytics out there right now? Do you think mark.

697
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:26,279
Speaker 1: Probably eighteen two hundred people to create a crazy atmosphere

698
00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:28,279
that I think is one of the best in college basketball?

699
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,440
You know, BYU's at home, very tough team to beat,

700
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:36,920
certainly one of the best players in the country. You know,

701
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,279
despite losing a great score and a great player, still

702
00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:42,920
a very talented roster. You know, I can't speak for

703
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,400
what somebody thinks the margin is. I understand that, you know,

704
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,480
the UCF would come as an underdog here. UCF's also

705
00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:51,880
not been a healthy basketball team the last couple of weeks,

706
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,039
and certainly by you lost the key player. We got

707
00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:56,359
guys playing tonight that kind of limped through the Utah

708
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,519
game the other night, which uc have found a way

709
00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:01,680
to win. There's some guys that are questionable if they'll

710
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,559
play tonight. There's some guys that are going to play

711
00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:06,839
tonight that are banged up. It's an interesting stretch for UCF.

712
00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:09,640
You know, this is just me. I think you's got

713
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to get the ten conference wins to feel like you're

714
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:12,440
on the right side of the bubble.

715
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:13,119
Speaker 4: They've got eight.

716
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,359
Speaker 1: You know, people may say, you know, probably nine to nine.

717
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,359
I think just because of our lack of history in

718
00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:20,680
the tournament, we haven't been there since twenty nineteen. In

719
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,559
building a basketball brand, we probably need another win. So

720
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,279
tonight we go home for a couple of games of

721
00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:29,240
better Oklahoma State and at West Virginia. Four games. I mean,

722
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:30,480
you want to win them all, but I think for

723
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:33,200
you see, if it's important to get a couple, we're

724
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,200
going to you know, certainly try to compete tonight. A

725
00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:38,519
roster not completely healthy. Everyone's banged up. So as for

726
00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:40,519
why the margin may be where, you know, again, I

727
00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:42,759
think it's a respect for BYU, the talent they have,

728
00:32:42,839 --> 00:32:44,000
and a tough place to play.

729
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, what is the scattering report? I mean, BAU has

730
00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:49,880
been decimated by injuries. Right now, when you watch this

731
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:53,039
team play, what do you see and what have you

732
00:32:53,119 --> 00:32:55,680
conversed with the coaching staff about is they prep for

733
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:56,880
this Cougar basketball team.

734
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,039
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, clearly, losing a like Richie Saunders is

735
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:02,839
going to hurt anybody. He's been such a great player

736
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,839
for BYU and watching him the last couple of years.

737
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,519
But there's still a ton of talent there and obviously

738
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:11,160
it's more than the Sayde Devonsa. The front lines are

739
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,759
concerned for UCF. You know, our front line has done

740
00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:15,319
a decent job at times are going to set of

741
00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:20,359
found trouble. It's also the rebound and kickout pass. UCF's

742
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:23,039
got to get back transition. Defense has to protect the

743
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:25,599
basketball because particularly the home by, you can turn your

744
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,400
mistakes into baskets. And he had avoid that eight ht

745
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,319
ten I'll run that takes a two point game, makes

746
00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:33,359
it to twelve or fourteen points. It'll be interesting to

747
00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:37,039
see how UCIF goes about defending AJA tonight. Again. We

748
00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:38,359
got some guys who are going to play that are

749
00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:42,480
banged up and that's going to impact UCF. I think defensively,

750
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:44,839
we mixed up defense and ended up playing a lot

751
00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:48,079
of two two one zone against Utah one. We needed

752
00:33:48,079 --> 00:33:50,799
to change things if they were getting too easy baskets

753
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:53,160
inside the paint. And also we just had guys that

754
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,359
are struggling out there, and like I said, everybody's deal

755
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,000
with injuries. It's no excuse, but sometimes you've got to

756
00:33:58,039 --> 00:33:59,680
make a game plan that's going to help you get

757
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,519
minute set of guys that aren't a hundred percent.

758
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,759
Speaker 3: Yes, it's uh, it's it's a crazy time in the

759
00:34:06,759 --> 00:34:09,440
Big Twelve. I would say, because I think anybody can

760
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,840
beat anybody on any night. I mean, I think UCF

761
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,960
can be BYU tonight. You watch what BYU did, how

762
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,840
they struggled very recently against a Colorado team that kind

763
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:25,400
of feels similar h to that of UCF. Really good offensively,

764
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,840
not not as good defensively, and they came in and took.

765
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:33,039
Speaker 4: BYU to ot not too long ago.

766
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,199
Speaker 3: What do you make of How would you evaluate the

767
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,440
Big Twelve top to bottom and how anybody can beat anybody,

768
00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:42,280
compete with anybody on any given night.

769
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:45,119
Speaker 1: Well, I think you have to respect with from the

770
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:48,000
top part of the league. You know, I think clearly

771
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:53,880
teams like Houston and Iowa State, you know, Texas Tech

772
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,320
when they were healthy, b YU for a period of time,

773
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,960
you know, and obviously Kansas teams that have been up.

774
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,480
I think you have to respect clearly b why you

775
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,599
got off to a great start then hit, you know,

776
00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:07,400
bumping the road a little bit. I think what's what's

777
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,880
changed a bit from our perspective at UCF and this

778
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,000
is just a thirty and the Big twelve, you know,

779
00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:15,119
is being able to now compete with that other group

780
00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:17,719
where we were fighting to just get some wins early on.

781
00:35:18,119 --> 00:35:20,519
And I do think that in this conference, when you

782
00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:24,360
get to seven through sixteen, you know, I don't know

783
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,639
if there's a ton of difference. I think the difference

784
00:35:26,679 --> 00:35:29,199
sometimes is you got some veteran guys that can win

785
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,360
games late for you. You've got some guys that make

786
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,159
some shots. But you know, there is no easy place

787
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:37,800
to play in this league. Everybody's got talent. Some has

788
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,760
a little bit more than others. But if you get

789
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,280
hot and can shoot the basketball, you can compete with anybody.

790
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,280
We've had some big wins this year. You know, we

791
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,920
did beat Kansas, we did beat Texas Tech. And you know,

792
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:52,760
if shots fall, then you know anybody can at anybody.

793
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,840
I think that may be an argument about the Big

794
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,800
ten and sec of being deeper. I would challenge that

795
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,239
because I think it's it's it's a little of a

796
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,280
lack of respect to the bottom part of the Big

797
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,719
twelve because of some of the bigger brands up top.

798
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,880
But you know, I would just tell people, you know,

799
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,679
go to some of the places in this league on

800
00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:13,199
the road and it's not easy to win. And you know,

801
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,119
go to Colorado. I don't care what the record is.

802
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:16,960
That's a hard place to play sometimes. And you know what,

803
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,320
despite the record that Utah had, I mean, they came

804
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,239
off a big win winning got West Virginia. We went

805
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,360
to that place and their crowd was allowed into the game,

806
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:25,920
and you know, we barely survived.

807
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 4: So night in and night out.

808
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: That's what makes this league, in my opinion, the best

809
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,519
league in the country. And you challenge yourself and you know,

810
00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:33,320
if you can, if you can go through this league

811
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,639
eighteen games and you win nine to ten conference games,

812
00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:36,880
I think you earned the right to play in the

813
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,199
incident the league tournament. I would put this league and

814
00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:40,599
its stepped up against anybody.

815
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 3: Give me a little scouting report on UCF. Who are

816
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,639
the players? You know, if bau fans are prepping for

817
00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:48,440
this game, which numbers, which names do they need to know?

818
00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:52,320
Is they prep their their scattering reports on this UCF

819
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:53,519
Night's team.

820
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,599
Speaker 1: Well point guard themis folks. Number one is you know,

821
00:36:56,639 --> 00:36:59,320
the key for UCF. He'll play a ton of minutes

822
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,199
tonight and famous is again one of the best guys

823
00:37:03,199 --> 00:37:06,559
in assistant of the conference of the country. He's turned

824
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:08,039
the ball over a little bit the last couple of

825
00:37:08,039 --> 00:37:10,320
weeks to try to make some things happen, but for

826
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,320
the most part, he's been really efficient for the Knights.

827
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,960
Doesn't need a three point shot, really take a three

828
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,880
point shot, very effective in driving inside the paint, headfake,

829
00:37:18,119 --> 00:37:20,480
shoot over bigger player, or take it out for three.

830
00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:23,679
Tomichael Stillwell was a teammate of Themous at Milwaukee last year.

831
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,039
Both came to UCF. Still was a kind of an

832
00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:29,440
undersized power forward, kind of a wide body guy that

833
00:37:29,519 --> 00:37:31,079
you look up and he's like, oh, he's got twelve

834
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:34,639
and nine. He'll get ugly points for you. He'll know

835
00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:37,840
he'll grab an offensive rebound to extended possession. Jordan Burk's

836
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,440
number ninety nine is a really effective outside shooter for UCF.

837
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,920
Corner three is his sweet spot, but because of his

838
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,079
size at six', eight not afraid to get inside the.

839
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:48,679
Paint being into the free throw. Line you. Know after,

840
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,119
that we'll see About Roddy coogle with his ankle, injury

841
00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:53,559
didn't play in the game Against. Utah we'll see about.

842
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:56,280
Tonight roddy's a guy that can get a shot, outside

843
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,440
can also drive to the, BASKET a veteran player From,

844
00:37:58,559 --> 00:38:03,639
orlando what stops At florida And Mississippi state before coming TO.

845
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,800
Ucf then just some you, know a key role players FOR.

846
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,400
Ucf they've got a seven to two, Center John bold

847
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,920
that starts And john you know really inside the paint

848
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,039
can clock things. Stuff not a huge shot, blocker but

849
00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:17,119
he altered, shots shoots seventy five percent because most of

850
00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:19,519
his stuff is two three feet. Out and then some

851
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:22,000
key three point shooters FOR ucf to come off the.

852
00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:26,440
Bench Carmelo, Pacheco George, beal backup point, guard you, Know Chris.

853
00:38:26,559 --> 00:38:29,599
Johnson so you, know FOR ucf in games like, this

854
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,119
they need to AS i, said WELL i think we.

855
00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:33,719
Started they needed players to do what they're good. At

856
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,800
if you're a three point, shooter knock down a shot or.

857
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,840
Two you, know if you're a guy that's going to

858
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,719
be inside the paint box, out don't GET byu second

859
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,199
and third, chances avoid foul troubles and limit turnovers and

860
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,519
avoid the. Runs that's a mix anybody needs in the

861
00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:49,360
road in this. Conference FOR, ucf and you, know we're

862
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,679
down to four, games and for, everybody FOR, byu you

863
00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:53,639
want to you, know get the best possible. Seating FOR.

864
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,039
Ucf you're trying to make sure you're in the right

865
00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:57,159
side of the. Bubble you're trying to stay healthy as you,

866
00:38:57,199 --> 00:38:58,880
can and that's what makes these games.

867
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,679
Speaker 4: Exciting in Late, February, Mark i've asked this question to

868
00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:01,960
a few.

869
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,079
Speaker 3: PEOPLE i believe THAT ucf is AN ncaa tournament. Team

870
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,239
what do you See do you think that this team

871
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:09,119
will be AN ncaa tournament?

872
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: Team, WELL i, Mean i'm gonna be biased and say,

873
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,840
Yes but, also you, KNOW i THINK i said, EARLIER

874
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,360
i BELIEVE ucf is fighting brand awareness a little, bit

875
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,960
which means to me that you probably need one more

876
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,000
win than you. Think and, again this is a team

877
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,199
picked fourteenth in the. League so if you'd told, me,

878
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:27,880
hey you're going to go to that game in Late,

879
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,840
FEBRUARY byu with a nineteen and seven record and an

880
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,920
eight and sixth record in The big, TWELVE i would

881
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,719
have signed up for. That so, AGAIN i think ten

882
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,400
wins is really critical FOR ucf because they get in with. Nine,

883
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,440
maybe BUT i do think they fight some rand. Awareness

884
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,559
it's been seven years since twenty nineteen and we were

885
00:39:44,559 --> 00:39:46,400
in THE ncaa tournament with a team that won a

886
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,800
game lost To duke at the, buzzer but we haven't

887
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,679
had that tournament, pedigree SO i think it feels. Safe

888
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,000
you've got to maybe get one more. Win and it

889
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,480
also depends on what metric you. KNOW i mean people, going,

890
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,199
well you know this year IT'S, net or It's Ken,

891
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,840
palm or now we got wins above. Bubble that's like

892
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,920
the biggest metric that people. Use don't pick your poison

893
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,960
For Ken. PALM usf may not be great FOR, net

894
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,719
they're okay for wins above. Bubble they're really good inside

895
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,719
the top. Thirty so if you tell me the committee's

896
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,400
going to emphasize, that THEN i feel really. Good but who.

897
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,239
Knows when that committee gets behind the, doors you hope

898
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,360
you can't take the guessing part out of. It what

899
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,119
would be ideal FOR ucf is can you get to

900
00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:25,159
that ten conference When mark even eleven and not have

901
00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:27,440
to worry about going To Kansas city and maybe winning

902
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,320
two three, games where maybe you go To Kansas city

903
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,519
with the Comfort, HEY i think we're safely, in ALTHOUGH

904
00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:35,079
i don't you, know until your name's on that, BOARD

905
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:36,440
i don't know if anybody feels.

906
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,519
Speaker 4: Safe is there.

907
00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 3: To take a word From Brett, yormark is there a

908
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:46,960
celebrity celebritization that needs to occur to WITHIN Ucf they

909
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,960
don't have like a marquee player a la aj Or

910
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,360
Darren peterson or Or kingston what have.

911
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: YOU i, mean it may be and you, Know i'm

912
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,400
not quite sure just somewhere our budget is if that's

913
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,920
going to be changed anytime. SOON i, mean you just

914
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,760
had a really good, season and IF i had to,

915
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,679
guess you, know our budget might be where people projected

916
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,639
us to be this, season near the bottom of the.

917
00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:10,400
Conference that's. OKAY i mean you've got to do things

918
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,440
a little bit different to each school does what they

919
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,320
feels best for. Them And i'm not quite sure we're

920
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,639
about to be landing the one and done guys for

921
00:41:17,679 --> 00:41:21,119
a variety of. Reasons but the biggest thing FOR ucff

922
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,880
is to start to get consistent where you're now making

923
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,280
the tournament year and in year, out or you're in the,

924
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,679
hunt BECAUSE i think that just. HELPS i, mean the committee's.

925
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,440
Human we argue about it in football all the, time

926
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,840
AND i think the same thing applies in basketball when

927
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,199
it gets to the. Bubble you, KNOW i think their

928
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,199
resume as quality wins that stand out That TEXAS a

929
00:41:39,199 --> 00:41:40,880
and an win early the season looks really good FOR

930
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,440
ucf right, now and again Beating Texas, tech Beating, kansas

931
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,360
and you, know some of the other wins we've gotten

932
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,480
the conference looks. Good but you just don't know what

933
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,920
a committee's going to, do what happens to some teams

934
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,119
that we're projected to have good years that are on the.

935
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:56,079
BUBBLE i would just hope if this team gets twenty

936
00:41:56,639 --> 00:42:00,559
one regular season wins are twenty, two that you're not

937
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:04,000
trying to weigh them, against you, know And i'll just

938
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,719
like An auburn team they may have thirteen. Losses it

939
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,840
would just be, like you, know are we just doing

940
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,679
a brand? Here but that's that's something that uc is

941
00:42:12,679 --> 00:42:15,320
going to fight until you put some consistent seasons together

942
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:15,960
where you make in the.

943
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 3: Tournament Mark, Daniels ladies and, gentlemen good luck on your,

944
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,800
call not that you need, It mark best way to

945
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,599
support you what you, do how you do. It if

946
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,760
the listeners want to tune into your voice during this, game.

947
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Speaker 1: Just On twitter or ex THAT Ucf Mark daniels and

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you can find me there and it should be a fun.

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Nights AND i think obviously you know you have noser

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stepping into a great, environment looking forward to. It and

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LIKE i said Late february basketball where every game, matters

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what more could you ask?

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Speaker 3: For is The merrie center of the best? Venue do

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you think you visit around The Big twelve or what's

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the best?

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Speaker 4: Environment would you?

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Speaker 1: Say, well, well. Careful, now IF i go To, KANSAS

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i have to Say. Kansas IF i go To, AIMES

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i gotta Say, AMES i will say this will. Listen

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this is my thirty first year AT, ucf So i've

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done everything from The attack which is now The Atlantic,

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sun and here are in The Big twelve and having

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gone Around utah was the last Place i've not done

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a game, at but certainly going To hilton And, ames

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certainly going to Fog, allen AND i think the game

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day presentation At marriott is. Fantastic it's an awesome, environment

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AND i told you if you want a bucket list

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of places to. Go we did a preseason game At

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duke this. Year i'd never done a game Of. Cameron was.

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Fantastic BUT i tell people go To provo and watch

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the game day. Presentation it's what YOU i, mean you

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want college basketball to bit like. THAT i MEAN i

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would hope our players welcome the, opportunity BECAUSE i do

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think it's a great.

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Speaker 4: Atmosphere Mark Wesi, luchi we appreciate. That thanks for spending

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some time with us, today so let us get to

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know The.

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Speaker 1: Foe thank, you, guys appreciate.

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Speaker 3: It Mark daniel's voice of THE ucf nights that, Segment,

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