Speaker 1: Oh bed of the Aard, Hello, and welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: This is the Cult of Conspiracy, and my name is
Speaker 2: Jonathan Jacob, and today, Jacob, we're going to be talking
Speaker 2: about a little known thing called the Peerie Reese Map.
Speaker 3: Heard of this before, sir.
Speaker 4: It's ringing a bell, but I'm very unfamiliar with it.
Speaker 4: Off top, Is there another name it might go by?
Speaker 4: Is it, uh, see, a famous explorer from back in
Speaker 4: the day or something like?
Speaker 3: To what level are we going here? He was indeed
Speaker 3: an explorer, sir?
Speaker 2: Okay, So yeah, it's actually this guy was like, uh,
Speaker 2: what are they called, like a like a map agrapher
Speaker 2: or a cartographer? Cartographer? That's what I was thinking. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this guy was. I mean, the the amount of information
Speaker 2: that he was able to compile together to create this
Speaker 2: map in the time that he did, it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: You know, even just with the discovery of Antarctica in
Speaker 2: the what was it, the seventeen eighteen hundreds, This guy
Speaker 2: knew that Antarctica was down there in the fifteen hundreds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but fair enough.
Speaker 2: By compiling ancient old world maps. So yeah, I guess
Speaker 2: we're just gonna get right into it. So we're going
Speaker 2: to be getting into the Forbidden Map, the secrets of
Speaker 2: Pierie Reese, Antarctica, and the Lost World.
Speaker 3: Are you ready for this, sir? I am indeed all right.
Speaker 2: So some people have said that this is the map
Speaker 2: that literally shouldn't exist because it makes no sense how
Speaker 2: this information was about there. You know, we always talk
Speaker 2: about how Christopher Columbus, there's no way he was the
Speaker 2: first one to discover America because there was obviously people
Speaker 2: already here, and many other explorations of people saying that
Speaker 2: they're the first ones to ever discover said land. And
Speaker 2: what this map shows is that people have been knowing
Speaker 2: about the majority of the land masses on the Earth
Speaker 2: for a very long time, and a lot of it's
Speaker 2: just kind of remained secret for a little while. So
Speaker 2: let me paint a picture here for you, sir. In
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty nine, deep inside the archive of Istanbuls top
Speaker 2: top that's a word top copy to copy palace, a
Speaker 2: forgotten artifact was rediscovered. It wasn't gold jewels or some
Speaker 2: lost religious relic. It was a piece of parchment, a
Speaker 2: fragment of a map drawn in fifteen thirteen by an
Speaker 2: Ottoman admiral named Piri Reeese. At first glance, it was
Speaker 2: like a typical map of Europe Africa in South America.
Speaker 2: But then came the shaker. This map also depicted a
Speaker 2: detailed coastline of a land mass that no one had
Speaker 2: charted yet, Antarctica. And it wasn't buried in ice. It
Speaker 2: was ice free. This map, this was a map that
Speaker 2: shouldn't have existed. It was drawn three hundred years before
Speaker 2: Antarctica's discovery. It showed the coastline beneath the ice, a
Speaker 2: detail only confirmed by twentieth century seismic scans. This wasn't
Speaker 2: just a weird historical curiosity. It was a crack in
Speaker 2: the entire timeline of human history because it Perry Rees
Speaker 2: mapped Antarctica? Who told him what it looked like? So
Speaker 2: this is where it gets wild. Either this guy had
Speaker 2: access to maps from a lost advanced civilization or everything
Speaker 2: we've been told about exploration and history is off by
Speaker 2: literally thousands of years.
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean it's a lot of things to be
Speaker 3: drawn from that bro. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so so it all starts with Piery Rees.
Speaker 2: He was he was an admiral of oh I can't
Speaker 2: remember where he was from now, we're going to get
Speaker 2: to it though, so said.
Speaker 3: The Ottoman Empire. So I mean it was.
Speaker 4: That's why it also made sense when you said, like
Speaker 4: Turkey Istanbul, that whole conversation.
Speaker 3: It's in the same vicinity.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so he was Actually he was born in
Speaker 2: fourteen sixty five, and he wasn't just a cartographer.
Speaker 3: He was an admiral. He was an explorer, and he was.
Speaker 2: A scholar with access to the most advanced knowledge networks
Speaker 2: of his time. So in his notes on the map,
Speaker 2: he makes this this wild and mission on the map,
Speaker 2: he wrote this right he goes. These coasts were drawn
Speaker 2: by Pierri Rees in the year fifteen thirteen. They are
Speaker 2: based on twenty charts and map by Monday Monday and
Speaker 2: maps drawn in the days of Alexander the Great. So
Speaker 2: you're like, holy shit, how did he get his hands
Speaker 2: on this? So think about this. He had twenty source maps,
Speaker 2: some from Alexander's era and others even older. These weren't guesses.
Speaker 2: This was ancient cartography, compiled from knowledge spanning many civilizations.
Speaker 3: So imagine being Perry Reece.
Speaker 2: You're an admiral, You've got access to these ancient charts
Speaker 2: that no one else even knows exists. Do you think
Speaker 2: he realized that he was holding something maybe a little
Speaker 2: forbidden or was he just trying to make the best
Speaker 2: map that he could Maybe a little bit of both.
Speaker 3: Maybe.
Speaker 2: So this guy was pretty fascinating because I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: he just had access to maps that, you know, nobody
Speaker 2: even knew existed. And he actually claims that we're going
Speaker 2: to get to this he actually, well I don't know
Speaker 2: if he claims it, he claims that a lot of
Speaker 2: the maps are from Alexander the Great. Now, what a
Speaker 2: lot of people think is is that the only way
Speaker 2: that he could have add access to that is if
Speaker 2: he had somehow gotten access from people who I don't know,
Speaker 2: were able to get their hands on books and articles
Speaker 2: and maps and stuff from the Library of Alexandria.
Speaker 4: All Right, I got a little bit of a stick
Speaker 4: in the mud when it comes to the Library of
Speaker 4: Alexandria not necessarily maps from Alexander the Great. I'm with
Speaker 4: you on that, right, because you got to think about
Speaker 4: the vast empire that Alexander carved out for himself. It
Speaker 4: literally covered from Greece to Egypt to India, right, And
Speaker 4: so when you think about that when he got to Egypt,
Speaker 4: he wasn't just stopping there and that was the edge
Speaker 4: of civilization. The local tribe there had maps of what
Speaker 4: was going on more south in Africa. The tribes that
Speaker 4: he was facing in India had maps what was going
Speaker 4: on far more east.
Speaker 3: What we would now call China and Thailand and stuff.
Speaker 4: He might have stopped at this point, but that doesn't
Speaker 4: mean that the cultural references stopped.
Speaker 3: At that point.
Speaker 4: So you know, and like you said, he had twenty
Speaker 4: source maps to go off of the ones for Alexander,
Speaker 4: it would make sense to me that he used those
Speaker 4: to kind of chart certain areas of the world. He
Speaker 4: would go to this map to chart this area of
Speaker 4: the world.
Speaker 3: That makes sense.
Speaker 4: But the Library of Alexandria, when we talk about how
Speaker 4: its destruction, how much information was lost in that tragic
Speaker 4: event and all this, most experts these days realized that
Speaker 4: was kind of a big nothing burger because the Library
Speaker 4: of Alexandria, Yeah, at one point in time was the
Speaker 4: hub of knowledge, the hub of like where all this
Speaker 4: the secret scrolls and papyri and all this would end
Speaker 4: up here. When it was burned, it had fallen into
Speaker 4: disrepair for like two hundred years. The Library of Memphis
Speaker 4: and the Library of Cairo were like way way higher
Speaker 4: up on the totem pole than the Library of Alexandria.
Speaker 3: At that time.
Speaker 4: It was more like for the symbolic fuck you. When
Speaker 4: it was burned, it wasn't to wipe away the lost
Speaker 4: information and stuff. Most historians would say that, yeah, there
Speaker 4: was probably some scrolls and stuff in there that has
Speaker 4: been lost the time, and we'll never get that information back,
Speaker 4: but a lot of it had already been redctated onto
Speaker 4: other scrolls and then moved to other libraries and stuff.
Speaker 4: It was very it was falling apart. They could barely
Speaker 4: keep the place staffed. It wasn't as big of a
Speaker 4: kick to the dick for humanity as people have thought
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 2: I think that that's what they probably want you to believe.
Speaker 2: Most experts quote unquote are in fact not experts. They
Speaker 2: only know what they've been taught, They only know what
Speaker 2: has been in their history books. A lot of the things.
Speaker 2: And this is what we talk about all the time.
Speaker 2: And this is I mean, and we disagree on this.
Speaker 2: This is why, like me and you we have this
Speaker 2: dichotomy on the show where I don't trust history. I
Speaker 2: don't trust quote unquote experts because these people, people are
Speaker 2: some of them. How are they getting paid? Who are
Speaker 2: they getting paid by? That's you know, we always talk
Speaker 2: about follow the money, Where does that money come from?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: What benefit do they have by claiming that a lot
Speaker 2: of this is just it was a nothing burger. It
Speaker 2: was no big deal. It was bauling down, like where
Speaker 2: are they getting that from? Because this was a long
Speaker 2: ass time ago. This is this is information handed down
Speaker 2: from generation to generation to generation. You don't know, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean we kind of just have to take it
Speaker 2: on faith from experts, and I don't have a lot
Speaker 2: of faith in experts. I definitely don't have a faith
Speaker 2: in governments and religions that would ultimately love to cover
Speaker 2: a lot of this kind of stuff up right, So they.
Speaker 4: Thought that that out of the library itself up until
Speaker 4: five years ago. The experts believe that that was like
Speaker 4: the biggest Oh my god, what the fuck? It is
Speaker 4: a really recent development, Like you said, I think it
Speaker 4: was an episode ago or two episodes ago. History is
Speaker 4: rewriting itself, right, when more information comes up, we find
Speaker 4: out what history we believed was that's true, come to
Speaker 4: find out is not true. This is an example of
Speaker 4: one of those. I'm not saying that it was like
Speaker 4: just a big womp womp. There was stuff in there,
Speaker 4: for sure, but you could look at other records to
Speaker 4: show that there was like more prevalent libraries and information
Speaker 4: at that time. So where, But to your point about
Speaker 4: where did Admiral Reice get this information? Could it have
Speaker 4: been from one of the other libraries that maybe we're
Speaker 4: taking reference from the Library of Alexandria, one of the
Speaker 4: scrolls that may have been rewritten and brought to other
Speaker 4: places that through the chain of custody, if you will,
Speaker 4: ended up under the Ottoman rule.
Speaker 3: I could see that one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: I mean the Library of Alexandria. That was something that
Speaker 2: you know, you hear stories about it, and to where
Speaker 2: and depending on what source you're getting it from. Some
Speaker 2: people say that how they were obtaining that was almost
Speaker 2: like by hook or by crook. You get sources from
Speaker 2: you know, from other people, and they say, well, they
Speaker 2: knew that this was essentially just a place that could
Speaker 2: house so much information, and so anytime somebody would come
Speaker 2: in from another civilization, they would want to input their
Speaker 2: culture and their belief systems, and it was essentially like
Speaker 2: a large collection of the world's cultures and their history
Speaker 2: and you know, whatever they wanted to put in there.
Speaker 2: And maybe that was just like, all right, well you
Speaker 2: want to dock at this port, We're gonna need some
Speaker 2: form of payment, whether it be money or information or whatever.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly how it worked, but I do
Speaker 2: find the whole thing fascinating. This guy right here, your boy,
Speaker 2: Graham Hancock. He went on to Joe Rogan. He was
Speaker 2: actually talking about this, this is what and this was
Speaker 2: actually a few years ago that he was having this conversation,
Speaker 2: I believe, and I find it so fascinating because, say
Speaker 2: what you want about Graham Hancock, he has an imagination
Speaker 2: like no other. And you know what I'm saying, like
Speaker 2: the way that he can take something and look at
Speaker 2: it from a completely different angle, not from the scholarly angle,
Speaker 2: although I would say that he's probably a scholar, not
Speaker 2: from the quote unquote expert level. He likes to look
Speaker 2: at it from another perspective and instead of just you know,
Speaker 2: the same old it's nothing, it's no big deal, nothing
Speaker 2: to see here, he likes to keep an open mind
Speaker 2: and say what if it is this? What if these
Speaker 2: are the missing pieces that you know, history can't figure out.
Speaker 2: And I think that that's what we need, like we
Speaker 2: need people who have an imagination to be able to
Speaker 2: piece these things together because a lot of the information
Speaker 2: has been lost and all you really have is certain
Speaker 2: like fragments of documents. And that's what this periy Rees
Speaker 2: map is. It's it's a quarter of the map. That's
Speaker 2: the only part of the map that they were able
Speaker 2: to find. So and this is a picture of the map.
Speaker 2: We're going to bring up a better depiction of it
Speaker 2: here soon. But I wanted you to hear in all
Speaker 2: the good cult members to hear Graham Hancock speaking about
Speaker 2: this pirie Rees map and all of its possible implications
Speaker 2: about what it could mean, because just the fact that
Speaker 2: Antarctica was on this map blows people away. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: fifteen thirteen, this guy was writing it. He wasn't the
Speaker 2: one that discovered it. He doesn't at period. He doesn't
Speaker 2: claim to be the discoverer of it. He claims that
Speaker 2: he got it from all these older maps, which is
Speaker 2: even more stunning because it could go back another five
Speaker 2: hundred years, another thousand years, another couple thousand years and
Speaker 2: if that's the case, then Antarctica. I mean, they were
Speaker 2: saying that there was no fucking ice whenever he drew
Speaker 2: this map, there was no ice on the continent of Antarctica,
Speaker 2: which I mean, you're talking about pre ice age at
Speaker 2: that point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I'm saying, essentially possibly, right, we
Speaker 4: don't know what the biome of Earth looked like circa
Speaker 4: four thousand BC. We have a couple of ideas we
Speaker 4: can get a general estimation. But even still at that point,
Speaker 4: you would think there would still be ice on Antarctica.
Speaker 4: So what source is he going off of to say
Speaker 4: that it was not, Because we do know that Antarctica
Speaker 4: itself is not like it's not like the North Pole.
Speaker 4: It's not a floating ice block, right, It is a
Speaker 4: continent with land, and at one time it was lush,
Speaker 4: green vegetation. So if he's going off of sources that
Speaker 4: are pre dating all there are we talking pre younger driest.
Speaker 2: Dude probably around there at least. But let's see what
Speaker 2: really is a five and a half minute video. And
Speaker 2: I love Graham Hancock. I just I love people that
Speaker 2: get you excited to learn about old information and he's
Speaker 2: perfect at that, so let's hear him talk, dude.
Speaker 5: I think the best evidence for it is ancient maps,
Speaker 5: which show the world as it looked during the last
Speaker 5: Ice Age. I first explored this in Fingerprints of the Gods,
Speaker 5: and I've touched on the mystery again, and I have
Speaker 5: an appendix on the subject in this book, because I
Speaker 5: think these are very important. We're talking about maps that
Speaker 5: were drawn roughly between the thirteen hundreds and the seventeen hundreds,
Speaker 5: in other words, in relatively recent history. However, these maps
Speaker 5: were largely based on much older source maps which they copied.
Speaker 5: And we can say that for sure because one of
Speaker 5: the famous maps is the Piri Reese Map, which was
Speaker 5: created by a Turkish admiral called Piri recent the year
Speaker 5: fifteen thirteen. Actually only a corner of his map has survived.
Speaker 5: It was originally a world map. We now just have
Speaker 5: a bit that shows the east coast of South America
Speaker 5: and North America and the west coast of Africa. Piri
Speaker 5: res writes in that map that it is in his
Speaker 5: own handwriting that he based it on more than one
Speaker 5: hundred older source maps, some of which had come from
Speaker 5: the Library of Alexandria. In other words, that maps had
Speaker 5: been when the library of Alexandria had been destroyed in
Speaker 5: the fourth century ADEA, whenever it was some of its
Speaker 5: contents had been rescued and brought to Constantinople, which became
Speaker 5: the Turkish capital, and Piri Rees had access to those maps,
Speaker 5: and he incorporated information from those maps on his maps,
Speaker 5: as well as incorporating more recent navigational information. And this
Speaker 5: is one of a whole category of maps which are
Speaker 5: extremely hard to explain, all of them based on older
Speaker 5: source maps now lost, all of them incorporating extremely precise
Speaker 5: relative longitudes and latitudes. Latitude is not that difficult to
Speaker 5: technological feat but longitude is a difficult technological feet. Longitude
Speaker 5: involves a chronometer. It involves knowing the time at the
Speaker 5: place you began your voyage and local noon as well
Speaker 5: and calculating the difference between them. You need a chronometer
Speaker 5: that will keep accurate time at sea with the motions
Speaker 5: of a ship. And it's just a plain fact that
Speaker 5: our civilization did not invent such a chronometer until the
Speaker 5: late eighteenth century. Before that, we didn't know what longitude
Speaker 5: we were at, and ships were constantly sailing unexpectedly into
Speaker 5: coastlines that they thought were hundreds of miles further away.
Speaker 5: So the discovery of the technique to do longitude was
Speaker 5: a major civilizational advance. Its presence in maps based on
Speaker 5: much older source maps that actually show the world as
Speaker 5: it looks during the last Ice Age suggests that somebody
Speaker 5: during the last Ice Age was mapping the world and
Speaker 5: had mastered the technique of calculating longitude. Classic example of
Speaker 5: these maps, and I make a point of this, is
Speaker 5: what's called the Pinkerton World Map, which was drawn in
Speaker 5: the year eighteen eighteen, and it was based on the
Speaker 5: latest navigational information at that time. I reproduced that map
Speaker 5: in the book. What's missing from the map, entirely missing
Speaker 5: is Antarctica. There's just a hole at the bottom of
Speaker 5: the world. There's nothing there. And the reason there's reason
Speaker 5: there's nothing there, there's another Pinkton map that shows that.
Speaker 5: The reason that you'll need to find one that's centered
Speaker 5: on Antarctica. The reason that Antarctica is not there is
Speaker 5: that our civilization hadn't discovered Antarctica in eighteen eighteen, so
Speaker 5: they couldn't authentically put it on a map in eighteen eighteen.
Speaker 5: Actually we discovered it in eighteen nineteen, and that's when
Speaker 5: it starts appearing on modern maps. The problem is that
Speaker 5: Antarctica appears repeatedly on these much older maps, and it
Speaker 5: appears in the right place and a bit bigger than
Speaker 5: it is that but very much as it looked during
Speaker 5: the last Ice Age.
Speaker 3: So what all of this suggests to.
Speaker 5: Me is that the world was mapped and explored by
Speaker 5: a global seafaring culture with a level of technology that
Speaker 5: was at least equivalent to ours at the end of
Speaker 5: the eighteenth century during the Ice Age.
Speaker 2: Wasn't there also a map of Greenland that showed it
Speaker 2: underneath the ice.
Speaker 5: Yes, there are, and and and another intriguing thing I
Speaker 5: mentioned the Piri Rees map. Just now shown on the
Speaker 5: Pirie Reece map. Lying off the east coast of North
Speaker 5: America is a large island with a row of megaliths,
Speaker 5: like a road of megaliths running up the middle of it.
Speaker 5: That island is in the exact place of the Grand
Speaker 5: Bahama Banks and one, yeah it is. But can I
Speaker 5: point it out to you.
Speaker 3: Because it's.
Speaker 5: That's right, Okay, okay, that's great that you can bring
Speaker 5: this up.
Speaker 3: Jurney that's amazing.
Speaker 5: So this island is sitting there off the southeast coast
Speaker 5: of North America.
Speaker 3: Look at the way they used to draw things back
Speaker 3: then too.
Speaker 5: And what you see running down the middle of it
Speaker 5: is this roadlike feature.
Speaker 3: I see right there.
Speaker 2: He is now.
Speaker 5: The thing is, there was a long period of my
Speaker 5: life when I did a lot of scuba diving and
Speaker 5: I was looking at at underwater structures and one of
Speaker 5: the sites I dived on was the Bimini Road, which
Speaker 5: is in the Grand Bahama Banks. And the Bimini Road
Speaker 5: is exactly where that island is. And here's the issue.
Speaker 5: I don't care whether the Bimini Road is natural or
Speaker 5: man made. For me, the mystery is that it is
Speaker 5: shown above water on that map, and the last time
Speaker 5: it was above water was thousands and thousands of years ago.
Speaker 5: So for me, this is all evidence that we shouldn't
Speaker 5: dismiss the possibility that our ancestors had achieved a level
Speaker 5: of technology where they could explore on that the world's oceans.
Speaker 2: We shouldn't dismiss it, Okay, So Jacob, what are your
Speaker 2: thoughts of Sir Graham Hancock.
Speaker 4: First of all, Graham Hancock, I disagree with some of
Speaker 4: the stuff he says from time to time.
Speaker 3: But I do think he is a fascinating guy to
Speaker 3: listen to.
Speaker 4: I would kill to sit and have a conversation with
Speaker 4: him one of these days.
Speaker 3: Right, So, before I say anything.
Speaker 4: I don't want it to get misconstrued like I'm throwing shade.
Speaker 4: I am not, at especially not to him personally. Okay,
Speaker 4: I got a couple of issues with at least one
Speaker 4: of the things he said, and I think that your
Speaker 4: premise for this episode kind of will go in line
Speaker 4: with what I'm saying. He said that we, quote unquote
Speaker 4: Western society, Western civilization didn't know the Antarctica existed prior
Speaker 4: to eighteen eighteen. That's not accurate, and the period reicse
Speaker 4: map proves that also, But there was other explorers prior
Speaker 4: to the eighteen hundreds that would attest to that as well. Actually,
Speaker 4: give me the ability to share the screen real quick,
Speaker 4: I got about a minute and a half of a
Speaker 4: video that I want to play that will kind of
Speaker 4: show the point on this.
Speaker 3: If you have you ever heard of a Captain James Cook?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I think the point that he was trying
Speaker 2: to make though, was that in eighteen eighteen whenever they
Speaker 2: built that map. And this is I believe this is
Speaker 2: as far as as American exploration goes, right that that
Speaker 2: map that he was referring to, not the Piri Rees map,
Speaker 2: the other map that he was referring to that was
Speaker 2: made in eighteen eighteen that didn't include Antarctica, and then
Speaker 2: in eighteen nineteen was allegedly the year that we discovered it.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's fair, But that's the thing we're talking about. Okay,
Speaker 4: American maps or European maps were talking about all of
Speaker 4: Western civilization as a whole kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Like where are we drawing that line?
Speaker 4: Because James Cook, captain who found Hawaii, first white dude
Speaker 4: anyway to find Hawaii. I'm about to show you a
Speaker 4: map that he had in the late seventeen hundreds where
Speaker 4: it clearly shows Antarcticle, but it showed it being this
Speaker 4: massive land mass that connected North America to Asia, because
Speaker 4: that's what they thought it was at the time. Just
Speaker 4: this is a quick minute and a half of this video.
Speaker 3: We're going to.
Speaker 7: Play with any championship again in my lifetime. Sorry, let
Speaker 7: me get back on topic here before we get into
Speaker 7: Cook's final days. Let me give you a brief rundown
Speaker 7: of his legendary accomplishments. Of his three major voyages. He
Speaker 7: accomplished the following. He was the first non indigenous explorer
Speaker 7: to discover and chart New Zealand and the eastern part
Speaker 7: of Australia, claiming the latter for Britain, though it should
Speaker 7: be noted that the Dutch actually discovered Australia first, they
Speaker 7: just never did anything with it. Then there's the case
Speaker 7: of Tara Australis. For centuries, European scientists deduced that the
Speaker 7: continent of Antarctica as we know it today was a
Speaker 7: large land mass that was connected to every other continent
Speaker 7: of the world.
Speaker 4: Tara Australis, and that's what it was called for centuries
Speaker 4: before even this eighteen eighteen map that he's talking about.
Speaker 4: So and I don't know this map in particular. I
Speaker 4: don't know how this ties into the Perry Reese map,
Speaker 4: if it does or what. But I mean, you could
Speaker 4: see they thought the Antarctica basically connected.
Speaker 3: They thought that was South America. Like real shit.
Speaker 4: They were decent at making maps, they weren't the absolute
Speaker 4: best at it, let's be real. They didn't even know
Speaker 4: that Australia was over here at the time that this
Speaker 4: map was made, you know what I mean. So this
Speaker 4: was used for centuries prior to the eighteen eighteen map
Speaker 4: that Graham.
Speaker 3: Hancock was quoting.
Speaker 4: So I don't know if he had a map that
Speaker 4: just didn't even have these things on it, and like
Speaker 4: that was a I don't want to say, like a
Speaker 4: bad map, but somebody who wasn't exactly the best at
Speaker 4: it or what. But to say that we quote unquote
Speaker 4: didn't know that it existed in eighteen eighteen is in
Speaker 4: phallically incorrect.
Speaker 2: But even that map that you just pulled up, it
Speaker 2: showed Antarctica fucking huge, and a lot of times, like
Speaker 2: especially with older maps, what they would do is is
Speaker 2: that they would just from my, my, you know, a
Speaker 2: research into this kind of stuff for stuff that they
Speaker 2: didn't know like fully and entirely, they would kind of
Speaker 2: just blob a lot of it out. Like that map
Speaker 2: that you just showed. It showed Antarctica as being damn
Speaker 2: near a fucking third of the Earth.
Speaker 4: I mean, yes, but my point is they knew that
Speaker 4: it existed. There was no question that this land mass
Speaker 4: at the bottom. Now you don't see ice I will
Speaker 4: give you this. It doesn't have ice. However, actually I'm
Speaker 4: gonna play it.
Speaker 2: How could they have possibly but how could they have
Speaker 2: possibly known that it existed? Whenever they couldn't even charge
Speaker 2: exactly how big it was. I mean, that's not to
Speaker 2: say that you know that it exists, because you didn't
Speaker 2: even explore the whole thing. You're just supposing that it
Speaker 2: was that big, which is incorrect.
Speaker 4: Agreed, But this again, this is in the mat that
Speaker 4: James Cook made. This is one of the ones that
Speaker 4: was being used before he even set sail.
Speaker 3: In his voyage.
Speaker 4: Let me play another forty five seconds of this video
Speaker 4: and it'll answer a little bit of those questions.
Speaker 7: It was Cook and his crew who first discovered it
Speaker 7: and mapped it, proving it was significantly smaller land mass
Speaker 7: that sat alone in the southern Hemisphere and was for
Speaker 7: the most part void of any life. And amongst his
Speaker 7: most famous finds in regards to European mapping was the
Speaker 7: Islands of Hawaii.
Speaker 4: So Cook and his crew actually charted in matt Antarctica,
Speaker 4: and this is in the late seventeen hundreds. But that's
Speaker 4: a conversation for a different day. I get that, But
Speaker 4: and I'm not saying that this this doesn't predate the
Speaker 4: Purie rece map at all. I'm just saying as far
Speaker 4: as the Graham Hancock click goes, you asked what my
Speaker 4: question was or what my thoughts were about that.
Speaker 3: I don't think that Cook was.
Speaker 4: I think Cook was probably using the Puririe rece map
Speaker 4: as a matter of fact, or a version thereof. But
Speaker 4: to say that we didn't know about it prior to
Speaker 4: the eighteen hundreds or that's that's kind of silly.
Speaker 2: Then why would we say that we discovered Antarctica in
Speaker 2: eighteen nineteen.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: That's incorrect for anybody to make that claim as silly.
Speaker 4: It was well discovered for centuries prior to. They thought
Speaker 4: it was way bigger than what it was than Captain Cook.
Speaker 4: I think it was a second voyage as a matter
Speaker 4: of fact, actually went to Antarctica, circumnavigated and mapped it,
Speaker 4: and that's when they knew it was a lot smaller
Speaker 4: than what was previously determined. But again, this is seventeen hundreds.
Speaker 4: Puri Reef was in the fifteen hundreds, So it's a
Speaker 4: he dates that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking right here. It says Antarctica was first
Speaker 2: sighted on January twenty eighth of eighteen twenty by a
Speaker 2: Russian expedition led by Fabian Gottlieb von Bellinghausen and Michael Lazarev.
Speaker 2: It does say, however, some evidence suggests that Polynesians may
Speaker 2: have reached the Antarctic waters as early as the six hundreds.
Speaker 2: So I mean, according to history, which you do love,
Speaker 2: it's saying that that's incorrect.
Speaker 3: Wait, why did they go to that?
Speaker 4: Whenever I type this in hold on, I got you
Speaker 4: because he they called it Tara Australis, which they knew
Speaker 4: Australia was the thing when they found New Zealand. You
Speaker 4: can't find New Zealand without finding Australia. It's right the
Speaker 4: fuck there, and it's way bigger. But Tara Australis they
Speaker 4: called Antarctica, or we would now call Antarctica. Hold On,
Speaker 4: let me see James Cook mapping Tara Australis.
Speaker 2: But I think that even if let's say, you, I mean,
Speaker 2: what does what signifies a discovery? Like is it just
Speaker 2: seeing something through a telescope or not a telescope? But
Speaker 2: does some kind of yeah, I guess some kind of telescope.
Speaker 2: Did they put feet on land? How far did they
Speaker 2: walk on this land? Did they only see it from
Speaker 2: a ship?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: Like what constitutes a quote unquote discovery? Okay, So to
Speaker 4: find it would be to find it right, to map
Speaker 4: the Lamb mass itself. It's like finding North America versus
Speaker 4: mapping from the Appalachian Mountains.
Speaker 3: To the Rocky Mountains.
Speaker 4: Those are two completely different expeditions, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So if you're mapping just the coastline, then that's all
Speaker 4: you're doing.
Speaker 3: Let's see.
Speaker 4: Cook's first voyage seventeen sixty eight to seventeen seventy one
Speaker 4: involved circumnavigating New Zealand and charting its islands, proving it
Speaker 4: wasn't connected to larger landb masks.
Speaker 3: He also mapped the eastern coast of Australia.
Speaker 4: Cook's second voyage aimed to definitively determine the existence of
Speaker 4: Teara Australia, which we would now call Antarctica. He sailed
Speaker 4: deep into the Southern Ocean, circumnavigating the globe, improving the
Speaker 4: hypothetical continent, if it existed, was limited to cold, uninhabitable
Speaker 4: polar regions, so that was what he.
Speaker 3: Did on his second voyage, and that's.
Speaker 2: What he saw it from his boat. He never even
Speaker 2: got on it.
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly, so I mean it was it was.
Speaker 4: I mean, the waters in and around the Antarctica even
Speaker 4: to this day are super dangerous to try to navigate.
Speaker 4: We can, but we're talking about on a wooden ship
Speaker 4: in seventeen sixties. Like that's wild. But that's my point.
Speaker 4: They didn't know if that was. They didn't call it
Speaker 4: Australia Antarctica. They called it Terra Australians because they thought
Speaker 4: it was something other than maybe.
Speaker 2: Call it like he didn't like he was he just
Speaker 2: saw it from his boat, right.
Speaker 3: My point is my point. I guaranteed didn't walk it.
Speaker 2: What No, he didn't walk any of it. He was
Speaker 2: just pulling from other maps. But even even your boy
Speaker 2: cook it was like, I mean, is that does that
Speaker 2: constitute a discovery? I mean, just by seeing it?
Speaker 4: Would you consider when the Nordics found North America? Would
Speaker 4: you consider that they were the first Europeans to find
Speaker 4: North America?
Speaker 3: Would you find that to be a correct statement? Do
Speaker 3: they go on to America?
Speaker 4: They actually set up a settlement, But that doesn't mean
Speaker 4: that you discovered it. Just because you stepped foot on
Speaker 4: it doesn't make it real. Seeing it can be real
Speaker 4: as well. But some of the maps that Cook did
Speaker 4: in fact make actually helped an expedition that was sent
Speaker 4: to charter Antarctica at a later date. So not all
Speaker 4: of them were useful in that regard, but some of
Speaker 4: them helped later explorers who got lost find their way
Speaker 4: back to their ship when they were using Cook's maps.
Speaker 3: Oddly enough, well, and.
Speaker 2: I feel like we're getting caught in the logistics here
Speaker 2: about whether Graham Hancock's map of eighteen eighteen and Cook's
Speaker 2: map of the seventeen hundreds because he didn't. Cooke didn't
Speaker 2: Maybe he discovered that there was a land mass beneath Australia, right,
Speaker 2: but to see how big it was to charge all
Speaker 2: the hills.
Speaker 3: In the valley.
Speaker 2: He's in the border and the coastlines like, I'm sure
Speaker 2: he wasn't able to coast litter, or he wasn't able
Speaker 2: to draw all of the entire coastline of Antarctica, probably
Speaker 2: just that one section.
Speaker 4: He did go the entire way around it. However, I
Speaker 4: should give the denotation here. The map that he was
Speaker 4: given showed it connecting all the continents. So he was
Speaker 4: basically showing at least he didn't he didn't go on Antarctica.
Speaker 4: He didn't map the place itself and find mountain ranges
Speaker 4: and what kind of animals live there.
Speaker 3: That's not what he was sent for.
Speaker 4: He was just saying if it was the size that
Speaker 4: they had previously thought it was. But my point is,
Speaker 4: prior to that, most explorers knew that something was down there,
Speaker 4: they didn't know how big it was, how vast it was,
Speaker 4: what it necessarily looked like. It's not like every sailor
Speaker 4: ever that took to the seas made their way to
Speaker 4: Antarctica eventually. So my point is he was probably going
Speaker 4: off of the Perierees influenced maps at the time, which
Speaker 4: I think might be that map that we saw that
Speaker 4: connects all the continents.
Speaker 3: No, because that quarter of the piri Res map.
Speaker 4: We have no idea how big he showed on his
Speaker 4: map antarticle was, and that predates all of this by
Speaker 4: at least two centuries.
Speaker 2: Well, and that's the thing is that he put this
Speaker 2: map together in fifteen thirteen.
Speaker 4: Exactly two hundred and fifty years prior to cook doing anything.
Speaker 4: They at least knew the ant article was there. So
Speaker 4: it's not to take away from Pirirese at all.
Speaker 2: Right, but it's it's just it conflicts with history. With history,
Speaker 2: is the point, because if this map was drawn in
Speaker 2: fifteen thirteen, sourced from other maps, we don't know how
Speaker 2: how farther that that, how far that goes back, whether
Speaker 2: it was taken from the Library of Alexandria or it
Speaker 2: was handed down from I mean, it's one hundred different sources,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, and so nobody knows exactly
Speaker 2: where it came from. It's just fascinating that they had
Speaker 2: or this guy was able to come across all this
Speaker 2: information and put it all together in fifteen thirteen, which
Speaker 2: according to I mean even just your boy cook who
Speaker 2: mapped it in the fucking seventeen hundreds, this is two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty, you know, damn near three hundred years
Speaker 2: before even that.
Speaker 4: So, like I said, this doesn't take away from Pirie
Speaker 4: Reefs at all. What I'm saying is that if you
Speaker 4: asked about Graham Hancock, I disagree with the statement that
Speaker 4: prior to eighteen eighteen nobody knew was there. I think
Speaker 4: that is emphatically incorrect, right, However, how did piri Res
Speaker 4: know that? What were the sources that he was getting
Speaker 4: these things from to make that map?
Speaker 3: I'm with you, it doesn't take away.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so let's get into the actual discovery of
Speaker 2: said map, because it was lost for a few hundred years,
Speaker 2: this pirie Res map until it was discovered discovered by
Speaker 2: Gustave Diisman in nineteen twenty nine. Oh, I'm sorry. It
Speaker 2: wasn't a quarter of the map. It was a third
Speaker 2: of the map. I messed that up. But so only
Speaker 2: a third of the map survive. But what's left is
Speaker 2: is kind of wild. So the South American coastline is
Speaker 2: almost spot on, so you can see like basically all
Speaker 2: of Brazil and like that whole area right there, almost
Speaker 2: exactly on Africa. Shape is remarkably accurate. And at the
Speaker 2: bottom the southern land that lines up with the subglacial
Speaker 2: coast of Antarctica. So there's even this this guy his
Speaker 2: name is Charles Hapgood and he wrote Maps of the
Speaker 2: Ancient Sea Kings this book, right, and he quoted from
Speaker 2: this discovery he goes. It seems that accurate information has
Speaker 2: been passed down from people to people. It appears that
Speaker 2: the charts must have originated with the people unknown and
Speaker 2: were passed down through the great libraries, perhaps even Alexandria.
Speaker 2: That's his quote. So if only one third of this
Speaker 2: map survived, what was on the rest? I mean, we
Speaker 2: can only just hypothesize here. Could it have shown the
Speaker 2: whole world or maybe even the lands that we don't
Speaker 2: even know exist. And we're gonna get to a point
Speaker 2: of this where some you're gonna have flat Earthers say
Speaker 2: see the Perires map this, this helps prove flat Earth.
Speaker 2: And then you're gonna get glow Birthers where they're like,
Speaker 2: see this proves the glowbirth because they were you're using
Speaker 2: longitude and latitude, and that's that's not the point that
Speaker 2: we're trying to make. We're not trying to say whether
Speaker 2: the Earth is round or flat in this one, but
Speaker 2: it could point to what some people like to suggest
Speaker 2: as far as lands outside of what we know.
Speaker 3: Of the Earth.
Speaker 2: But maybe the Earth is a lot bigger, and whether
Speaker 2: it is a globe or a flat map or whatever,
Speaker 2: could there be something out there that we just don't
Speaker 2: know about. So and what's fascinating here is that this
Speaker 2: guy was I mean, he was showing Antarctica before Antarctica
Speaker 2: was even known allegedly, So Antarctica wasn't even discovered. I mean, historically,
Speaker 2: it wasn't discovered until eighteen eighteen eighteen or eighteen nineteen
Speaker 2: or eighteen twenty somewhere in there. Some people say eighteen nineteen,
Speaker 2: some people say eighteen twenty. That's why I say, both
Speaker 2: three centuries before pirie Res or three centuries after Perry
Speaker 2: Recas mapped it, and it's been under ice for at
Speaker 2: least six thousand years. That's what they say Antarctica has been.
Speaker 2: So how does this map show an ice free coastline?
Speaker 2: Grand handcof just a grand hand Graham Hancock, Fuck me,
Speaker 2: he wrote in his book called The Fingerprints of the Gods.
Speaker 2: He goes the pure Reese map suggests an advanced civilization
Speaker 2: had already been mapped, had already mapped the coast of
Speaker 2: Antarctica when it was free of ice. This implies the
Speaker 2: existence of a people who were both ancient and far
Speaker 2: more technically advanced than we've been led to believe. Possibly,
Speaker 2: I mean, I people get lost in the sauce. Whenever
Speaker 2: we start talking about advanced ancient civilizations. Are we talking
Speaker 2: about wires? Are we talking about Wi fi? Were talking
Speaker 2: about electricity? Maybe it was another form of advancement, you
Speaker 2: know that is just lost and forgotten. You know, there's
Speaker 2: gonna be things that we discover that is not even
Speaker 2: necessarily discovering technology, but maybe rediscovering technology. So I think
Speaker 2: that whenever you talk about like ancient technology and you know,
Speaker 2: advancement and stuff like that, it doesn't mean the technology
Speaker 2: that we use. It could just mean another form of that.
Speaker 2: So if this is real, that means the ice age
Speaker 2: timeline that we've been taught is off. So how many
Speaker 2: other things do you think that we've gotten wrong about history?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: It makes you question history whenever you see things like this,
Speaker 2: because how is it possible that on this coastline it
Speaker 2: showed that it was not filled with ice and if
Speaker 2: he was grabbing it for others from other sources, I
Speaker 2: don't know, you know, I mean, could the coastline not
Speaker 2: be or maybe the ice age doesn't go all the
Speaker 2: way back to six thousand years ago, maybe it goes
Speaker 2: back a couple thousand years ago. Maybe, I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, who's to say that it wasn't one of
Speaker 4: those legends that became myth that became just understood truth. Right,
Speaker 4: So like that there's people been living in Africa for
Speaker 4: the beginning of time, right, that's just how that's gone.
Speaker 4: And it would stand to reason ten thousand years ago
Speaker 4: prior to like you said, it's been covering nice for
Speaker 4: at least since four thousand BC, right, so allegedly over
Speaker 4: six thousand years ago, So there were people walking the
Speaker 4: earth prior to that. It would stand to reason that
Speaker 4: the people that lived on the southern coast of Africa
Speaker 4: at some point in time got in a boat and
Speaker 4: made that little skip in a hop, especially if it
Speaker 4: wasn't the Arctic climate that we have these days. The
Speaker 4: seas were probably a little more forgiving at that time,
Speaker 4: and maybe they could boat themselves there and they knew
Speaker 4: that it was there. Now, how what kind of game
Speaker 4: of telephone has to happen over the course of five
Speaker 4: thousand years up the entire continent of Africa to get
Speaker 4: to the Library of Alexandria, or even for sake of argument,
Speaker 4: the Turkic Empire, the Ottoman Empire, to where this legend
Speaker 4: became myth, and they all kind of spoke of this land,
Speaker 4: and nobody's been there since so the last word anybody
Speaker 4: heard about this spot was that it was lush green vegetation.
Speaker 3: How far back was it? Look, we're talking the same time.
Speaker 4: The last time anybody saw atlantis, they were fucking popping off.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Where are they at now?
Speaker 3: Who knows?
Speaker 4: It's It's kind of one of those things. I could
Speaker 4: see that for sure.
Speaker 2: Well, and we're gonna get into your boy Admiral Bird
Speaker 2: and Operation High Jump and how that even connects to
Speaker 2: Antarctica and that whole deal. You think what you want
Speaker 2: to think about your boy, Dick Bird, But I think
Speaker 2: that it's it's fun to, you know, try and piece
Speaker 2: all of it together. But there are theories about how
Speaker 2: did he get these maps? And there are three big
Speaker 2: theories that are the biggest ones as far as where
Speaker 2: did he get these?
Speaker 8: So?
Speaker 2: Could it have been from a loss civilization? Some people
Speaker 2: might like to point to Atlanteans. Do what you want
Speaker 2: with that. I personally, I believe that the Atlanteans were
Speaker 2: a real thing. I mean, maybe, I'm sure they didn't
Speaker 2: call themselves Atlanteans, But I do believe in a story
Speaker 2: that predates modern humanity, that talks about ancient forms of technology.
Speaker 2: Were they using crystals? Where they advanced? You know, I
Speaker 2: don't know, but I like to believe that there was.
Speaker 2: So this is Graham Hancock's domain. He talks about the
Speaker 2: pre flood explorers that mapped the world with technology that
Speaker 2: we can't explain. As far as law, civilizations and Atlanteans,
Speaker 2: then there is obviously you got to get into non
Speaker 2: human intelligence. The ancient Sumerians, the Egyptians, and Mayans all
Speaker 2: talk about sky beings who gave humanity forbidden knowledge. Were
Speaker 2: these maps possibly a gift? You got to go across
Speaker 2: the board because none of it makes sense, you know,
Speaker 2: so you gotta start going there. But the third one,
Speaker 2: and probably the most likely, I believe that it was
Speaker 2: elite knowledge hoarding. So maybe these maps were preserved through
Speaker 2: the Library of Alexandria or other possible libraries and smuggled
Speaker 2: through empires. The Ottomans weren't innovators, they were the guardians
Speaker 2: of ancient secrets. So I mean, which one would you
Speaker 2: you buy if any of these three? Are we talking Atlanteans, aliens,
Speaker 2: or just good old fashioned cover ups by ancient elites.
Speaker 3: Io's put it more towards lost information lost on purpose? No, No,
Speaker 3: I think it was lost, just kind of lost to
Speaker 3: the sands of time, so to speak.
Speaker 2: Well, if you think about it, though, these maps would
Speaker 2: have been invaluable to people that were trying to take
Speaker 2: over land and take over the world, maybe they were
Speaker 2: in a war or something like that. I mean, you're
Speaker 2: talking about like you're able to know certain coastlines and
Speaker 2: know certain waterways and stuff like that. If you're in
Speaker 2: a war with another another country or something like that.
Speaker 2: You having this information is like, I mean, that's you
Speaker 2: knowing the game of chess five moves in advance.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it only applies if you have a campaign
Speaker 4: going that direction. Like for Alexander the Great, to know
Speaker 4: what Japan looked like, that would have not helped him
Speaker 4: even a little bit on his campaign. You see what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. They do they have resource that we need.
Speaker 4: How long would it take to get there? What are
Speaker 4: the logistics to get the resources back that we would need?
Speaker 4: Is it worth my time and energy to try to
Speaker 4: get out that way? It only would apply if somebody
Speaker 4: was operating in and around that area. I'm with you
Speaker 4: on that.
Speaker 3: If you're in the area, yeah, all the intel matters.
Speaker 2: That's kind of what I'm talking about though, Like, think
Speaker 2: about it, like whenever we go to Afghanistan. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of fucking hide out places that we're
Speaker 2: just never going to be able to map out.
Speaker 3: And the people that are native to there, they know
Speaker 3: all the.
Speaker 2: Nooks and crannies to hide in, so right, and you can,
Speaker 2: and obviously they used that to their advantage. And I
Speaker 2: think that that's kind of where I'm going with this.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that it's the be all, end all,
Speaker 2: but it could definitely help you in situations where you're
Speaker 2: having other people from other lands come over and try
Speaker 2: and enter into your land and they don't know the landscape,
Speaker 2: they don't know you know certain places and you do.
Speaker 9: No.
Speaker 3: I agree with you, absolutely, but that's my point. We
Speaker 3: had a.
Speaker 4: Military campaign going on there, so we needed the intel,
Speaker 4: We needed to know the hiding spots, We needed to
Speaker 4: get involved with the locals and these kind of things.
Speaker 3: The ancients, for.
Speaker 4: Lack of better words, put that to whatever culture and
Speaker 4: civilization you want, Samarian, Roman, and Greek, doesn't matter. Unless
Speaker 4: they were operating anywhere around Antarctica, they would have not
Speaker 4: needed to know what's going on with Antarctica.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I think it was kind of like, yeah, the people
Speaker 4: locally south a, southern portion of Africa, southern portion of
Speaker 4: South America, southern portion of Australia.
Speaker 3: They probably knew that land mass existed, but you.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't have heard about that from quote unquote Western society
Speaker 4: because none of them had made their way there yet.
Speaker 3: Therefore they wouldn't have needed to get the intel on
Speaker 3: it yet.
Speaker 4: That's why I think it was kind of lost through
Speaker 4: the sands of time conversation, not like purposely lost.
Speaker 3: That's just my two sins.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe that's I mean, anything's possible. All we can
Speaker 2: do is really speculate about this kind of stuff. So
Speaker 2: I do want to dive into a little bit more
Speaker 2: of the library Library of Alexandria connection.
Speaker 3: The lie. And this is the thing.
Speaker 2: Whenever we talk about experts, you're going to have some
Speaker 2: people that are all for certain loss forbidden knowledge in
Speaker 2: the Library of Alexandria. Then you're gonna have certain fucking
Speaker 2: experts that think they know everything and they're gonna say
Speaker 2: nothing to see here. There's always something to see, Okay.
Speaker 2: Like I hate whenever people are like, oh, it was
Speaker 2: just a no big deal. It was nothing going on there, Like,
Speaker 2: there's no way that all of this information just.
Speaker 3: What it never existed.
Speaker 4: No, but the tone of which you just said showed
Speaker 4: your bias right off the rip. You have some people
Speaker 4: that believe this and then some experts you think they
Speaker 4: know it all. So do the people that act as
Speaker 4: if Alexandra held every secret that humanity had. They sound
Speaker 4: like they know it all too. It's possible for the
Speaker 4: research have they done into it, It's possible it'll do
Speaker 4: as like a fucking main part of the world it was,
Speaker 4: but again, at the time when it actually burned, it
Speaker 4: wasn't as big of a port as it once was. Well,
Speaker 4: and then saying that, like, uh, what's another good example
Speaker 4: of this, Uh, you can say, yeah, Stanbult at one
Speaker 4: point was like the hub right now, Constantinople, all these
Speaker 4: like it was it used to be Constantinople as the
Speaker 4: whole song about it.
Speaker 3: My point is, yeah, one point that was like a
Speaker 3: hub of trade. Everything went through there.
Speaker 4: All that it hadn't been that hub in a few centuries,
Speaker 4: and there's it hasn't exactly held the same weight as
Speaker 4: it once did during the Crusades.
Speaker 3: That was the spot like it's things change over time, man,
Speaker 3: I mean it do.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, at one point in time it was
Speaker 2: and then it burned down, whether it was accident or
Speaker 2: on purpose or whatever you want to look at it as.
Speaker 2: I believe it was on purpose for sure, right right? So,
Speaker 2: the Library of Alexandria reportedly housed maps, records, and chronicles
Speaker 2: stretching back to prehistory. And when it quote unquote burned,
Speaker 2: did everything really vanish or did the most valuable artifacts
Speaker 2: get stolen and locked away by certain empires? The Ottoman
Speaker 2: inherited Byzantine and Roman archives, so Perry Reeves, as an ameral,
Speaker 2: likely had access to these. If true, his map isn't
Speaker 2: just a chart, it's a surviving artifact of an e
Speaker 2: race civilization. So how much history do you think is
Speaker 2: locked away in private archives? Is this like the Vatican
Speaker 2: Library all over again? Is this what we could be
Speaker 2: talking about?
Speaker 3: Like this? And I'm not even coming at you whenever.
Speaker 2: I'm saying like, no, no experts, this experts that because we
Speaker 2: don't know what the fuck is going on down to
Speaker 2: the end. The Vatican, our guys, dude, they have miles,
Speaker 2: literal miles of bookshelves underneath the Vatican right, Like, it's
Speaker 2: not a secret, it's not like a conspiracy, like, it's
Speaker 2: well known, like and you got to be a legit
Speaker 2: like scholar to even go down in there. And even
Speaker 2: when you go, you have to know exactly what you're
Speaker 2: looking for. Well, and that's how shit gets lost, like
Speaker 2: in time, because what if you don't know that something exists,
Speaker 2: you're not gonna know to even ask to look for it.
Speaker 3: It's like a foyer request.
Speaker 4: If you don't ask specific for what you're looking for,
Speaker 4: your fouryer request is not going to get reviewed.
Speaker 3: It's not going to come through for you.
Speaker 4: And to your point, also, yeah, I'm not saying that
Speaker 4: the Library of Alexandria, whenever it did burn, was a shack. Yeah,
Speaker 4: there was still some very old artifacts in there, and
Speaker 4: I am of the belief that when it started burning,
Speaker 4: the people that were working there probably grabbed the most
Speaker 4: important things, or at least what they thought was the
Speaker 4: most important things and got it out. And so yeah,
Speaker 4: the chain of custody still stands on this. Alexandra was
Speaker 4: founded by Alexander the Great right, so it was a
Speaker 4: Hellenistic period hub then the Romans conquered this area, and
Speaker 4: it was a Roman hub. So again, it had information
Speaker 4: from at least two dynasties, probably a lot more than that,
Speaker 4: to be completely honest with you.
Speaker 3: So whenever that fire did pick up, how much.
Speaker 4: Of it was saved, did it all burn to a crisp,
Speaker 4: how much of it was locked away in other secret archives.
Speaker 3: I'm with you one hundred percent here. I mean, you
Speaker 3: just never know.
Speaker 2: Whenever you think about things that are just lost to
Speaker 2: the annals of history. I'm more inclined to believe that
Speaker 2: most things aren't lost, they're just hidden.
Speaker 3: It could be both. I mean, yeah, it could be a.
Speaker 2: Little bit of both, But I think that some of
Speaker 2: the most important shit, bro I mean, information is probably
Speaker 2: the most valuable thing that you can ever stumble across, right, Like,
Speaker 2: is there ever anything, especially whenever you're talking about ancient civilizations,
Speaker 2: ancient technologies, ancient advancements and stuff like that, that would
Speaker 2: be the most important information that you can stumble across
Speaker 2: as a civilization if you're looking to build off of
Speaker 2: the mountains of your precursors, right And I mean, if
Speaker 2: you're somebody that stumbles across that and you're not trying
Speaker 2: to help your civilization build off of that, but you're
Speaker 2: trying to help yourself build off of that, or maybe
Speaker 2: you don't even want to build off of that. Maybe
Speaker 2: just like well, the humanity ain't ready for this, We're
Speaker 2: gonna try and keep them down. We don't need them
Speaker 2: knowing about certain technologies, because then if they know about
Speaker 2: certain technologies, we're not gonna be able to have full
Speaker 2: control of them like we want to. That's basically my point.
Speaker 3: And I agree with that too.
Speaker 4: That's why I said it's probably a little bit of
Speaker 4: a mixture of both, right, So I don't think that
Speaker 4: all ancient information has been hidden from us or in our.
Speaker 3: Current day and age, we could have that conversation.
Speaker 4: Right, because there's gatekeepers to information, especially these days.
Speaker 3: I'm with you on that.
Speaker 4: But during the Roman period, maybe yes, maybe no, there's
Speaker 4: probably levels of gray in between. There's some information that
Speaker 4: would have empowered certain people, so the elites at the
Speaker 4: time would hide that information from their people. I agree
Speaker 4: with that, But then there's also some things that kind
Speaker 4: of got lost in translation and game of telephoned one
Speaker 4: hundred monkey theory, whatever you want to say, over the
Speaker 4: course of a thousand years, and that information at that
Speaker 4: point was more of a legend and you didn't have
Speaker 4: to try to hide it because it's just what it is.
Speaker 3: I think there's probably both happening at the same time.
Speaker 4: I think it depends on what information right, lost land masses.
Speaker 4: I'm with you, certain plants or will go even Fountain
Speaker 4: of Youth kind of conversation, a plant that could give
Speaker 4: you immortality or something like that. If if ancient Samaria
Speaker 4: had a plant that if you ate of it, it
Speaker 4: would give you a guaranteed five more years on your life. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it would make sense to me that the elites would
Speaker 4: hide that information from their people, Like I'm with you
Speaker 4: one hundred percent, right, there's but also if you got
Speaker 4: some tribesmen from way out east that makes a claim
Speaker 4: like this, but there's also nothing to back it up
Speaker 4: other than a story. Do they need to hide that
Speaker 4: information or is it kind of one of those things
Speaker 4: that's gonna shake out in the wash later on. It's
Speaker 4: I think there's areas of gray here. It's a little
Speaker 4: bit of yes and a little.
Speaker 7: Bit of no.
Speaker 2: I'm just by judging all the things that we've talked
Speaker 2: about on this show for the past coming up on
Speaker 2: five years By the way, in August we make five years.
Speaker 2: I don't know the exact date. I believe it's the
Speaker 2: beginning of August, so literally it's coming up real quick.
Speaker 2: But just over everything that we've discovered about not only
Speaker 2: just our country trying to shaft us at every possible
Speaker 2: direction they possibly could, but just the world and seeing
Speaker 2: how how gree the world is with containing information and
Speaker 2: being able to use that against its people. I am
Speaker 2: always more inclined to believe that information, certain information exists
Speaker 2: in order to keep us down. Like I'm just so
Speaker 2: inclined to believe that, especially whenever you look into like
Speaker 2: not to get weird, but like you look into like psychedelics,
Speaker 2: Why the fuck are all of them Schedule one?
Speaker 3: Why is that, you know?
Speaker 2: And the reason is is because a lot of people
Speaker 2: come out of extreme psychedelic trips and they know, holy shit,
Speaker 2: there's nothing to be worried about. Well, your government wants
Speaker 2: you to be scared. It wants you to be fearful.
Speaker 2: That's why you know there's all this propaganda, that's why
Speaker 2: there's all this division, because it wants you to show
Speaker 2: It wants to show you, essentially that you're different than
Speaker 2: your neighbor, and you should be scared of your neighbor.
Speaker 3: I'm with you. But then there's also greed being the
Speaker 3: thing here. Right.
Speaker 4: For instance, in the Roman times, the color purple was
Speaker 4: seen as the royal color. Why was it such the
Speaker 4: royal color because there was only one source that could
Speaker 4: make purple dyes that they knew of on earth, and
Speaker 4: that was at this one specific port that was using
Speaker 4: a specific snail shell to make the purple dye. It
Speaker 4: was so expensive and so rare, That's why it was royal. Now,
Speaker 4: the people in that city did not want that secret
Speaker 4: to get out.
Speaker 3: We're talking about making a color.
Speaker 4: Dude, it's not some loss forbidden knowledge all these things,
Speaker 4: but like to them, that was their source of income.
Speaker 3: That was the thing that they were known for.
Speaker 4: If that information would have gotten out, they would have
Speaker 4: lost their monopoly on the market, and that is bad.
Speaker 4: So that became very secret, very tightly guarded information.
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's the micro like that, Sometimes it's the macro.
Speaker 4: Sometimes it is, Oh, there is this continent just across
Speaker 4: the ocean. There's gold everywhere, fucking everywhere. They literally have gold.
Speaker 4: They're wearing jewelry they built temples completely made out of gold.
Speaker 4: But listen, we don't need to let the Portuguese know
Speaker 4: about this. Okay, we could keep this a Spanish thing.
Speaker 4: We can keep this in house.
Speaker 3: You see. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: There's levels to this, and then it becomes tightly guarded
Speaker 4: secrets that are passed down, but then eventually everything gets out.
Speaker 4: But it's I'm with you. Certain information has absolutely been
Speaker 4: repressed and hidden. Some information kind of lost to the
Speaker 4: sands of time. Some of us just legend and Lord,
Speaker 4: that kind of is sending people on a wild goose
Speaker 4: chase for the sense of sending people on a wild
Speaker 4: goose chase.
Speaker 3: There's levels to it.
Speaker 4: All depends on what we're talking about here now, a
Speaker 4: lost land mass Antarctica, for instance. I could see an
Speaker 4: argument for both, I really could. I could see that
Speaker 4: being lost to the sands of time for a couple
Speaker 4: of millennia until people started going more south than discovering
Speaker 4: it again. I could also see that being repressed information
Speaker 4: that they didn't want people knowing about it because they
Speaker 4: didn't want a bunch of people trying to discover new
Speaker 4: lands and creating new empires that they might need to
Speaker 4: fight later if they get powerful enough.
Speaker 3: I could see it going both ways, honestly, right.
Speaker 2: And just in regards to that color purple that you
Speaker 2: were talking about, basically that it was found inside of
Speaker 2: like a mollusk clam kind of thing, that it was
Speaker 2: off the coast. What fucking coast was that off of
Speaker 2: somewhere down somewhere down the.
Speaker 3: South Mediterranean Sea somewhere, hold on?
Speaker 2: And what's so significant about even that color purple is
Speaker 2: especially whenever you start looking into the color purple about
Speaker 2: how it they say that the color purple doesn't even technically.
Speaker 3: Exist from tire. It was from tire.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, But they say, some people say that
Speaker 2: the color purple doesn't even necessarily exist, that all it
Speaker 2: is is anti green, and just the way that our
Speaker 2: minds compute the color, it turns it into purple, because
Speaker 2: there's no such thing as an anti color, you know. So,
Speaker 2: and then you start looking into some of the powders
Speaker 2: that they were using to be able to, i mean,
Speaker 2: change the colors of their cloaks or their clothes or
Speaker 2: whatever into this purple. And then you look into like, well,
Speaker 2: what did they know about this purple? And then you
Speaker 2: start looking into fucking dicion In goggles, and about how
Speaker 2: these dycian In goggles would be able to help you
Speaker 2: see beyond, you know, what the human eye is able
Speaker 2: to perceive. And I think that you know, and then
Speaker 2: you look into the fucking color purple. Why was it
Speaker 2: also so revered not only just because the purple was
Speaker 2: so rare, which it was, but also if you just
Speaker 2: look at the color spectrum itself and what the color
Speaker 2: spectrum itself actually represents, and the color purple represents like
Speaker 2: fucking gamma, which we just covered in the other a
Speaker 2: few episodes ago. As basically to say, so, give you
Speaker 2: an example. These these red glasses that I wear in
Speaker 2: some of these episodes. They're good for like meditation, and
Speaker 2: you look on the color spectrum and because literally everything
Speaker 2: I see is just shades of red. There's no other color, right,
Speaker 2: which is really cool. It's almost like looking at everything
Speaker 2: through black and white, but you know, it's just red.
Speaker 2: And so if you were to look at everything through
Speaker 2: that shade of purple glasses, not only are you being
Speaker 2: able to see beyond just what your eyes can see,
Speaker 2: but it also puts you into some kind of meditative state,
Speaker 2: just like these do these glasses specifically put you into
Speaker 2: meditative state? So now imagine what purple would be able
Speaker 2: to do. Right, And this is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: Just as far as like ancient technology, we think of
Speaker 2: wires and shit like that, but I think that they
Speaker 2: knew certain like how certain vibrations worked, how certain colors worked,
Speaker 2: how certain frequencies work. And you look into fractals in geometry,
Speaker 2: and every single fucking ancient civilization was obsessed with geometry.
Speaker 2: Why were they so obsessed with cimatics like it was
Speaker 2: always You look into fucking ancient churches, right, and almost
Speaker 2: all of them, you know, And then you include the
Speaker 2: fucking stained glass and you're like, oh my god. Then
Speaker 2: you include the bells that are resonating at a certain frequency.
Speaker 2: Is that going to put you into a some kind
Speaker 2: of trance state of mind whenever you're trying to meditate
Speaker 2: or prey or something like that. That's the ancient technology
Speaker 2: that I mean whenever I say technology. But anyway, with
Speaker 2: all that man said I did, I'm going to share
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Speaker 3: And yeah, YouTube is still not cool. I mean, yeah
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 4: It's the largest streaming platform owned by the largest Internet source, right,
Speaker 4: Google owns it.
Speaker 3: I'm with you on that. But like, for.
Speaker 4: Instance, some of those those dision and goggles, right, you
Speaker 4: look into the story of those and how dudes in
Speaker 4: Vietnam mvgs used to be purple, but then they start
Speaker 4: seeing dragons and shits.
Speaker 3: Then they change it to red, then they changed it
Speaker 3: to green. Here's the deal.
Speaker 4: You can't even say night vision goggles on YouTube. That
Speaker 4: term is a bad word in the YouTube space you
Speaker 4: have to make. I'm telling you, it's so fucking stupid.
Speaker 4: We can't even we can't say the words suicide. You
Speaker 4: have to say self delete or sewer, slide or one
Speaker 4: of these other stupid words. You can't say nbgs or
Speaker 4: night vision goggles because those are two assertion like too
Speaker 4: active to military esque, and you have to say the
Speaker 4: goggles you put down your face and you could see things.
Speaker 3: You can't say. This is so stupid. This is my point.
Speaker 4: This is why we're now on YouTube. This is why
Speaker 4: we're now on YouTube. We can't even speak freely there.
Speaker 4: We're not gonna watch how we say things. Sorry, we
Speaker 4: could we're.
Speaker 3: Just not gonna okay that we made that choice a
Speaker 3: long time ago. Patron is where you go to see
Speaker 3: the video.
Speaker 2: We're not self censoring over here. I mean, for I
Speaker 2: think eight months Jacob called Kamala Harris a whore. We
Speaker 2: constantly call Hillary Clinton a cunt. And we're just not
Speaker 2: going to censor ourselves. I mean, because this is the
Speaker 2: basis of the show, is to not only speak freely,
Speaker 2: but to think freely. And a lot of YouTube doesn't
Speaker 2: I mean not even just YouTube. Look at you mentioned
Speaker 2: about how YouTube is connected to Google, when Google is
Speaker 2: like one of the world's I think it is the
Speaker 2: world's largest Internet empire. And if and then you start
Speaker 2: looking into the whole dead Internet theory or they are
Speaker 2: they deleting old articles so that you can't find certain information.
Speaker 2: That's what we like to talk about on here. This
Speaker 2: is the shit that's forgotten to the realms of time.
Speaker 2: You want to say, shit that has been forgotten to
Speaker 2: the sands of time? Is it been forgotten or purposefully deleted?
Speaker 2: I think that history is just repeating itself, and we
Speaker 2: are quote unquote some people might say discovering things. I
Speaker 2: think everything we talk about is just a rediscovery, Oh
Speaker 2: for sure, for sure. Yeah, that's the thing too.
Speaker 4: If anybody's curious where we find all the crazy off
Speaker 4: the wall topics that we talk about from time to time.
Speaker 4: The information's out there. It's all out there. We're finding
Speaker 4: it not just in libraries and books, we're finding it
Speaker 4: on the internet. We're finding it from documentaries or finding
Speaker 4: it in all of these things. But that's the thing.
Speaker 4: The information is out there, But how much of it's
Speaker 4: being repressed? How much of it is getting deplatformed and
Speaker 4: shadow band and all these things to where.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you'll see that in the YouTube space.
Speaker 4: Some YouTuber will put out a video and his algorithm
Speaker 4: is doing great, he's hitting on all of it.
Speaker 3: Right. He'll put out a video.
Speaker 4: That YouTube doesn't particularly like, so they'll unsubscribe half of
Speaker 4: his subscribers and they will boost or deboost algorithms to
Speaker 4: put that at the bottoms where you can't even see
Speaker 4: it unless you specifically look for that video by name
Speaker 4: shadow banning.
Speaker 3: No, we're not about it.
Speaker 4: We're not about that shit, and we're not gonna we're
Speaker 4: not gonna self censor. First of all, we suck at it,
Speaker 4: and second, why would I put restrictions on my damn self.
Speaker 3: That goes against the First Amendment. Dude, I have a.
Speaker 2: Hard time enough censoring myself in front of my kids
Speaker 2: and my parents. Right, I'm not gonna do it at
Speaker 2: my at my at my job, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm just not gonna do it, like, because then you start,
Speaker 2: once you start self censoring, it's like, who are you anymore?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 3: That's why I got.
Speaker 4: Out of a regular nine to five job. It's because
Speaker 4: I couldn't. I had to watch what I said because
Speaker 4: you never know who's right outside the door. You can't
Speaker 4: be talking the way you want to talk. This this
Speaker 4: is yeah, we're not doing it anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And and just speaking on what you were talking
Speaker 2: about earlier, like how this information does exist. It's almost like,
Speaker 2: to give you an example, the Bible, for example, it
Speaker 2: taught it brings up certain quotes or mentions of other
Speaker 2: Biblical books maybe that were never included into the Bible,
Speaker 2: such as Enoch Enoch. Right, that's a perfect example, is Enoch.
Speaker 2: They're talking about Enoch in the Bible, and everybody's like, wait,
Speaker 2: where's this fucking book at then? You know, and so
Speaker 2: that's what I like to do is personally, is that
Speaker 2: I hear certain people they say certain things, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh wait, Pierie Reese, let me, I never heard of this.
Speaker 2: I want to look into it. And then that starts
Speaker 2: the whole fucking rabbit hole. That's really how this whole
Speaker 2: thing even started in the first place. It was just
Speaker 2: mentioned in passing. It was kind of one of those
Speaker 2: things that like they mentioned as if everybody knew, and
Speaker 2: I never heard of. So I was like, all right,
Speaker 2: here we go.
Speaker 3: That's how I find a lot of my shit.
Speaker 4: That the one we just did on the Phoebus cartel, Right,
Speaker 4: I had saying something that just made a quick little
Speaker 4: mention of it and moved on to the next topic.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, I'm sorry, backup the what they did
Speaker 4: what with light bulbs? And then here we are a
Speaker 4: whole fucking episode spawned off of it. This is we
Speaker 4: accidentally find ourselves doing research just in our personal lives.
Speaker 4: Next thing, I've also told people too, like, dude, if
Speaker 4: you and if I didn't have a podcast, I would
Speaker 4: still be looking into all of this shit anyway. This
Speaker 4: is this is what I geek out over, Like there's
Speaker 4: you can't turn it off. Even when I'm trying to relax,
Speaker 4: I can't help myself but find little innu windows and
Speaker 4: little little tidbits of information that are dropped, and it's like,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm gonna need a little more clarification on that,
Speaker 4: my boy.
Speaker 3: And then here we are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you hear a word, and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, your your conspiracy pickles starts to rise and
Speaker 2: your pants a little bit and that's where.
Speaker 3: A start to jiggle. Dog, yeah, buddy.
Speaker 2: So this is from a really fun website called the
Speaker 2: Universe inside you dot Com and it's it dives into.
Speaker 2: It was one of the more comprehensive articles that I
Speaker 2: was able to find, just in regards to what other
Speaker 2: people have done research into the pie race, perie rese
Speaker 2: map and whatnot. But it's titled the Legendary perie rese
Speaker 2: Map Explained.
Speaker 8: So.
Speaker 2: On October twenty ninth, nineteen twenty nine, researchers looking through old,
Speaker 2: discre guarded documents at the library of top Cockpy Palace
Speaker 2: in Istanbul, Turkey, unexpectedly stumbled across one of the most
Speaker 2: important artifacts in world history, the Pirie Reefs map, lost
Speaker 2: since the fifteen hundreds. The map's discovery caused an international
Speaker 2: sensation as experts scrambled to explain its mysteries. No wonder,
Speaker 2: the map revealed entirely new and previously unimagined insights into
Speaker 2: the voyage of Christopher Columbus, the continent of Antarctica, even
Speaker 2: the very history of humanity itself. So here's a good,
Speaker 2: a decent picture of it right here. So, yes, Pirie
Speaker 2: Reefs map is real, and it's spectacular and you can
Speaker 2: kind of see and I'll pull up a picture that
Speaker 2: points to better depictions and stuff like that, and so
Speaker 2: you know what you're looking at. But this is the portion,
Speaker 2: the third of the map that they're talking about. So wow,
Speaker 2: pretty interesting. So who was Pirie Reeves and why is
Speaker 2: he important? So he was born in fourteen sixty five
Speaker 2: in the historic seaport of Gallipoli, then part of the
Speaker 2: Ottoman Turkey. He began his career at sea, sailing alongside
Speaker 2: his uncle, a notorious pirate and later an admiral in
Speaker 2: the Ottoman Navy, participating over the course of more than
Speaker 2: thirty years in many naval battles. After his uncle died
Speaker 2: suddenly during a storm in fifteen eleven, Peiri Rees returned
Speaker 2: to Gallipoli and began what would truly become his life's work,
Speaker 2: the Study of Navigation. It was through this work that
Speaker 2: Piri Reas became one of the most influential maritime figures
Speaker 2: in world history. In fifteen twenty one, Reese put the
Speaker 2: finishing touches on the Book of Navigation. Known as one
Speaker 2: of the early geographical masterpieces, it contained detailed maps of
Speaker 2: the harbors and shores of the known world, alongside meticulous
Speaker 2: notes on everything from settlements to shipbuilding. The book would
Speaker 2: serve as a guide to captains in the is it Agan, Aegean,
Speaker 2: Aegean and Mediterranean seas for three hundred years. Yet the
Speaker 2: Book of Navigation was not the most incredible thing that
Speaker 2: Peiri Reeves produced during his career. That came years earlier,
Speaker 2: in fifteen thirteen, when Reese put together the most detailed
Speaker 2: map of the world ever created at that time. So
Speaker 2: now we get into the creation of the Peiri Rees
Speaker 2: map in fifteen thirteen, to which, by the way, it
Speaker 2: said his dad just died two years before this. You know,
Speaker 2: he was one of the He was a pirate that
Speaker 2: he turned into an admiral, ended up dying at sea
Speaker 2: in a storm. So to construct his historic map, piri
Speaker 2: Res used twenty different maps in charts collected from different
Speaker 2: cultures and different points in history. There were eight Ptolemaic
Speaker 2: maps from the second century Greece, four Portuguese maps, and
Speaker 2: one Arabic map. Most significantly significantly, there was even one
Speaker 2: map drawn by Christopher Columbus himself during his journey to
Speaker 2: the New World only twenty years prior, which Reese had
Speaker 2: fortuitously acquired in fifteen oh one from a captured seaman
Speaker 2: who had been with Columbus. That's pretty cool. So he
Speaker 2: can behind all his sources into one comprehensive final form
Speaker 2: known as the peirie Res Map. As one inscription on
Speaker 2: the map simply put it, no one living has seen
Speaker 2: a map like this.
Speaker 3: He was big dick in it.
Speaker 2: He was like, nobody could possibly create a map that
Speaker 2: I've created like He was just like so proud and
Speaker 2: he knew that he had one of the most comprehensive
Speaker 2: maps ever created. Despite being one of the most incredible
Speaker 2: documents that human beings have ever produced, the pie Res
Speaker 2: Map was eventually lost to history, forgotten about for hundreds
Speaker 2: of years until it was surreptitiously rediscovered in nineteen twenty nine.
Speaker 2: As modern scientists, researchers and naval experts all over the
Speaker 2: world got their hands on copies of this historic artifact,
Speaker 2: they began to notice something remarkable, almost unbelievable features. So
Speaker 2: the map has amazingly accurate geography. First, the pie Res
Speaker 2: map displayed an extraordinary knowledge of global geography. It showed
Speaker 2: the western coast of Europe and North Africa, the continent
Speaker 2: of South America, as well as numerous islands throughout the ocean. Moreover,
Speaker 2: it had lengthy notes written by Piri Reefs himself, telling
Speaker 2: the stories behind the places on the map, a sort
Speaker 2: of running commentary of the maritime history of humanity. There
Speaker 2: were detailed notes on Columbus's first voyage, including his difficulties
Speaker 2: obtaining sponsorship and his encounters with native populations. There were
Speaker 2: notes on Cabril's accidental discovery of Brazil in fifteen hundred,
Speaker 2: and even notes on the voyage of Saint Brendan, a
Speaker 2: sixth century Irish monk who discovered an island in the
Speaker 2: North Atlantic that he called the Promised Land of the Saints.
Speaker 2: That's pretty wild, right, So think about how closely guarded.
Speaker 2: Maritime information was at this time the secrets of the
Speaker 2: seas were what empires were built on. For Pirie rees
Speaker 2: to have all this information in one place was truly extraordinary.
Speaker 2: But there was more than that. So the map shows
Speaker 2: South America in impossible detail. Experts quickly noticed something which
Speaker 2: could not be explained, the incredible detail in which the
Speaker 2: Peiri Reefs map showed South America. How is this possible?
Speaker 2: Piri Reeves used the map of Christopher Columbus. But Columbus
Speaker 2: had only been to the Caribbean. He had not visited
Speaker 2: nor even mapped South America. Even the European expeditions, which
Speaker 2: had by fifteen thirteen only just begun to map the
Speaker 2: South American coast, had not mapped inland. Yet the Pirie
Speaker 2: Reefs map showed inland geographical features, the Andes mountains, rivers, territories,
Speaker 2: and even animals. The only explanation seemed to be that
Speaker 2: Columbus must have had access to local maps which showed
Speaker 2: him these things. In other words, like Piri Reeves, Columbus
Speaker 2: had created his map not only from what he had
Speaker 2: seen directly, but from the maps of others.
Speaker 3: Which makes sense.
Speaker 2: You know, you would try and gather as much information
Speaker 2: if you're trying to create like an all inclusive kind
Speaker 2: of thing. It's like imagine if you're you know, you
Speaker 2: don't go to ancestry or twenty three and meters or whatever,
Speaker 2: but you're just trying to create your own family tree
Speaker 2: based upon information that your parents have told you, and
Speaker 2: your grandparents have told you, and your cousins and your uncles,
Speaker 2: and you got to get it a little bit from everywhere,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 4: And that's what Columbus was doing. But even more incredibly,
Speaker 4: Perry Reeves was doing on a much larger scale than
Speaker 4: even what Columbus was doing, because he also he had
Speaker 4: access to Columbus's maps, and that's what helped him map
Speaker 4: some of the portions of this map.
Speaker 3: So the and this is where.
Speaker 2: It gets a little weird for the flat earthers out there.
Speaker 2: You're not gonna like this. Okay, uh oh, the Pirie
Speaker 2: Reefs map uses advanced spherical trigonometry. Okay, fifteen fifteen, thirteen,
Speaker 2: fifteen fifteen. Back then, I hate to say it, they
Speaker 2: knew it. They knew the shit was round.
Speaker 4: I mean, if we're gonna get technical here, plenty of
Speaker 4: the elder who wrote the first what we today might
Speaker 4: call an encyclopedia. Okay, it was called naturalist historia, which
Speaker 4: was like the history of nature. And he had a
Speaker 4: very comprehensive understanding of the world at that time. And
Speaker 4: we were talking first century AD. He even shit on
Speaker 4: flat earthers in that book, so like we're talking before
Speaker 4: one hundred AD, they've been knowing it.
Speaker 3: But that's a conversation for another time.
Speaker 4: But like you said earlier, he was taking the Purie reefs,
Speaker 4: was taking maps from this source and from this source,
Speaker 4: and all these things. The Roman understanding of the world
Speaker 4: only went to just below the Saharan Desert. Like even
Speaker 4: ancient Rome didn't know for sure what the southernmost tip
Speaker 4: of Africa looked like. They assumed there was a southern tip,
Speaker 4: but they had no knowledge of what was on the
Speaker 4: other side of the Sahara for the.
Speaker 3: Most part, other than the lore and the legend.
Speaker 4: So when you're taking these compilations of all these other
Speaker 4: studies that people have done, these other explorers, and where
Speaker 4: what did you find, Where did you go, where'd you
Speaker 4: get the information from? For this guy to take that
Speaker 4: all and compile it into a map in and of
Speaker 4: itself is a massive undertaking.
Speaker 2: And that's not to say that there aren't some flat
Speaker 2: Earth anomalies. I love everything that the flat earthers look into,
Speaker 2: namely NASA, more than anything else. But you know, at
Speaker 2: least this guy back in the fifth early fifteen hundreds,
Speaker 2: he was using advanced spherical trigonometry.
Speaker 3: So upon closers.
Speaker 4: Sence, the sextint the thing that you would use to
Speaker 4: navigate back in these days you have to use spherical trigonometry.
Speaker 4: The only way that works is on a round globe
Speaker 4: shaped earth. Oh and his was a pirate, right, And
Speaker 4: that's my point. So like this dude being a seafaring guy,
Speaker 4: his dad being a seafaring guy, all the dudes making
Speaker 4: these maps being seafaring guys.
Speaker 3: You can't use a sextint.
Speaker 4: Unless you're on a ball, Like, it doesn't work on
Speaker 4: a flat plane. Some people actually argue about that, but
Speaker 4: it's incorrect.
Speaker 2: They try to say that, like the sextont proves that
Speaker 2: the Earth is flat, which I'm not gonna lie. I
Speaker 2: never really looked into all the details about a sexton
Speaker 2: so maybe it proves one way or another.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: You're charting the way the stars move across the sky,
Speaker 4: and that's what like the little thing is for. You're
Speaker 4: trying to gauge like this star was at this point
Speaker 4: so long ago. We've been moving this direction according to
Speaker 4: the compass. Now that star is over here, and you're
Speaker 4: triangulating where you're at, and the only way that works
Speaker 4: is off of a tangent, A line tangent. A line
Speaker 4: tangent like that coming off of a ball.
Speaker 3: Is what you would use for this.
Speaker 4: But I'm not trying to shit on the flat earthers
Speaker 4: with this conversation. All I'm saying is that is it
Speaker 4: makes sense that that would be the type of math
Speaker 4: that he's using because most navigators were using that map
Speaker 4: at this time as well.
Speaker 2: So upon closer examination, researchers noticed something even more unbelievable.
Speaker 2: It was clear that the map was using advanced spherical
Speaker 2: trigonometry in its measurements, a technique unavailable in the West
Speaker 2: until the eighteenth century. Prior to that, it was impossible
Speaker 2: to accurately determine a ship's latitude in the Southern hemisphere,
Speaker 2: since the only known method for doing this involved citing
Speaker 2: the North Star, which can't be seen in the Southern
Speaker 2: hemisphere yet somehow pie the Pirie Reeves map had accurate
Speaker 2: latitude measurements in the southern hemisphere. This meant that whatever
Speaker 2: local source maps Columbus had access to, those who made
Speaker 2: them had possessed an understanding of spherical trigonometry. They had
Speaker 2: the technology to navigate oceans and accurately chart the globe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt so.
Speaker 2: The Pirirees map shows Antarctica without the ice. This was,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, whenever I looked into this, I was like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, all right, especially whenever you look into the
Speaker 2: Antarctic Peace Treaty, which we're gonna talk about Admiral Byrd
Speaker 2: and his discoveries and all that kind of stuff. We
Speaker 2: don't know shit or fuck about Antarctica. Let's just be real,
Speaker 2: we really.
Speaker 4: We do have a guy that wins that's supposed to
Speaker 4: be coming on our show one of these days here soon.
Speaker 2: He went to the coast, went to the coast, not
Speaker 2: saying that he charted the whole fucking place, but he
Speaker 2: went to a part of Antarctica, which that's all one
Speaker 2: can do. It's not like you can just stretch your
Speaker 2: entire body across the whole land mess. That's not what
Speaker 2: I'm trying to say, I'm just the conte, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So the most the most astonishing part of the Peiri
Speaker 2: Reef was not its detailed geography, nor even its seemingly
Speaker 2: impossible advanced spherical trigonometry, but that it showed to It
Speaker 2: appeared to show Antarctica, a continent which was not officially
Speaker 2: discovered until Your Boy seventeen seventy three by James Cook.
Speaker 2: There he is no doubt, but it was more than
Speaker 2: just the appearance of the continent on the map created
Speaker 2: in fifteen thirteen. It was that the Pirie Reece map
Speaker 2: showed Antarctica without the ice. How could it be possible
Speaker 2: since the last time Antarctica was free of ice was
Speaker 2: over six thousand years ago. Skeptics gave their best explanation
Speaker 2: of the pier recemp supposedly showing the continent of Antarctica
Speaker 2: without the ice. They argued that the portion of the
Speaker 2: map which appeared to show Antarctica was actually just an
Speaker 2: extension of the South American coastline that Pirie Reef simply
Speaker 2: ran out of room and curled South America along the bottom.
Speaker 2: This explanation seemed to make sense until nineteen sixty one
Speaker 2: that year, US Air Force captain and cartographer Lorenzo Burrows
Speaker 2: compared the Antarctic coastline depicted on the Pirie Rees map
Speaker 2: to modern maps constructed using satellite mapping technology. His conclusion
Speaker 2: was that the Antarctic coastline was, in his quotes, truly
Speaker 2: represented on the southern sector of the Pirie Rees map.
Speaker 2: Piri Reese's Antarctica was Antarctica, right.
Speaker 4: Fuck and likes mentioned James Cook, remember that he was
Speaker 4: sent to chart New Zealand. A subtangent of that was, Hey,
Speaker 4: while you're out there and you're in that southern part
Speaker 4: and all that, go see if this Tarra Australia is nonsense,
Speaker 4: is a real place or not? Like it was still
Speaker 4: a myth at that point, right, So Perry Rees had
Speaker 4: drawn it on his map, nobody knew for sure, because
Speaker 4: even Piri Reese himself never went there to see it
Speaker 4: with his own eyes. So it's not like Cook was
Speaker 4: sent out to chart Antarctica. He was just while he
Speaker 4: was in that area, decided all right, let's keep going
Speaker 4: south and let's see if there really is something here
Speaker 4: or not. And that's what that conversation was. So it's
Speaker 4: it's completely it was a side tangent, right, this was
Speaker 4: the first Antarctic exploration that had ever happened.
Speaker 3: That's my point.
Speaker 4: And to the other conversation about the flat earthers and stuff,
Speaker 4: you know, Like I said, Perry Reis was sent there
Speaker 4: and this was a side tangent, little side quest for him.
Speaker 4: They didn't have enough food and provisions to make their
Speaker 4: way around the flat plate because that would have taken
Speaker 4: a lot longer to circumnavigate the flat plate than it
Speaker 4: did to circumnavigate the continent of Antarcticle like you did.
Speaker 2: That's all I'm gonna say on that one, anyway. I mean,
Speaker 2: I get it, and trust me, I've we've taught. How
Speaker 2: many episodes on flat Earth have we done? Probably too many,
Speaker 2: fifty at least, right, and we're probably gonna be doing more.
Speaker 2: I can only imagine that there's gonna be more Flat
Speaker 2: Earth episodes, and maybe somebody is going to, you know,
Speaker 2: make Jacob get that that tramp stamp of David Weiss's.
Speaker 3: Face on his not highly unlikely.
Speaker 2: A lot of people think that the only reason why
Speaker 2: you're so against flatter Earth is because you're scared to
Speaker 2: get David Weiss's face above your above your crack, sir.
Speaker 4: Oh no, dude, a man of my word. But I'm again,
Speaker 4: there's way too much true data. Again, the Perios map
Speaker 4: would show a globe, all the ancient maps, all the
Speaker 4: ancient people like, no matter which way you want to
Speaker 4: aim the conversation, Yeah, NASA lies to us. I'm not
Speaker 4: negating that. That doesn't mean that the Earth is flat
Speaker 4: because NAS is a liar, DC lies to us. Does
Speaker 4: that mean America is not real?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 3: The two can't The two don't necessarily have to mean
Speaker 3: the same thing. Bro.
Speaker 2: I am in the in the vicinity of some people
Speaker 2: that believe that there is more to this earth than
Speaker 2: what they're telling us. So sure, whenever, you know, even
Speaker 2: even the conversation of yeah, it might be a globe,
Speaker 2: but could it be a bigger globe than what they're saying,
Speaker 2: We don't have access to that. You know, it's kind
Speaker 2: of just taking it on faith that these people actually
Speaker 2: are being truthful, right, and you know, and that's always
Speaker 2: a bad thing, usually to a level.
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily disagree.
Speaker 4: But again, we're talking about back in these days, right
Speaker 4: the seventeen hundreds, eighteen hundreds or dudes, with wooden ships
Speaker 4: with sails were making their way from point A to
Speaker 4: point B. Y know, when you ran out of food
Speaker 4: and water, you started eating your crew members.
Speaker 3: Like, that's a real thing that happened. Cannibalism on sea
Speaker 3: was a real thing.
Speaker 4: There was books written about like who you should kill first,
Speaker 4: and how you shouldn't eat your cousin because typically seafaring
Speaker 4: was like a family trade, so like, it's not ideal
Speaker 4: kind of thing, and there's.
Speaker 3: Rules to all these things. You wouldn't just pack up
Speaker 3: with all that you needed and hope for the best.
Speaker 4: You plotted her course correctly and you brought enough food
Speaker 4: and provisions for that type of journey. You can't do
Speaker 4: that unless you know the distance you're trying to travel.
Speaker 4: They had a very good understanding of that by that point.
Speaker 2: And there was also a lot of gainus that was
Speaker 2: going on there because you know, you're in prison for
Speaker 2: ten years, those boys start to look like girls, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And there were also fucking manatees,
Speaker 2: which some people believe that that's where the idea of
Speaker 2: mermaids came from.
Speaker 3: I mean, yes, there's levels to that too.
Speaker 4: But point is, if the earth was larger than what
Speaker 4: we thought it was, or larger than what we've been
Speaker 4: told it is.
Speaker 3: We would have way more crews.
Speaker 4: Of ships that died because they literally starved to death
Speaker 4: because they didn't know the distance, but they did because
Speaker 4: they did.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I mean, and there are there, dude,
Speaker 2: if you think about it, there's probably so many damn
Speaker 2: ships at the bottom of the seafloor that we will
Speaker 2: never know about. So it is possible that there are
Speaker 2: people that tried to discover certain lands and that they
Speaker 2: just never were able to come back with that information.
Speaker 3: It's very possible. It's very possible.
Speaker 2: So in in that book you're I'm sorry, the Air
Speaker 2: Force captain and cartographer Burrows he is. He asserted that
Speaker 2: this meant beyond a reasonable doubt that the original source
Speaker 2: maps must have been made before the present Antarctic ice
Speaker 2: cap covered the continent. Now that was an Air Force
Speaker 2: captain Ain't no scrub saying all that. And he was
Speaker 2: a he was a cartographer for the Air Force, right, Like,
Speaker 2: I mean, he had some technology. He was using satellite
Speaker 2: mapping and stuff like that. He was like, holy shit,
Speaker 2: how did pier Res get this right? It makes no sense. Right,
Speaker 2: and he was like, all right, well, and if that
Speaker 2: map was showing that there was no ice, then maybe
Speaker 2: this is Maybe this is the craziest part because since
Speaker 2: the last time Antarctica was free of ice was over
Speaker 2: six thousand years ago, this meant that the local source
Speaker 2: maps used by Christopher Columbus had to be at least
Speaker 2: that old. If we are suggesting that the the you know,
Speaker 2: the Antarctica was covered by ice up until at least
Speaker 2: six thousand years ago, that would point that the maps
Speaker 2: are even older than that allegedly.
Speaker 3: And that would make sense.
Speaker 4: Right, Columbus made his trip in fourteen ninety two, so
Speaker 4: that does predate the pie Res maps. So if they're
Speaker 4: going off of the same source material, right, they're going
Speaker 4: off of the same legends and lore of what's at
Speaker 4: the most southernmost point in all these things, they would
Speaker 4: be deriving from the same type of source.
Speaker 3: So that makes sense to me that whatever the.
Speaker 4: Source that pirie Reefs was fucking with is the same
Speaker 4: source that Columbus was fucking with. That would say that, yes,
Speaker 4: there's land down there and it's lush, green vegetation. But again,
Speaker 4: we're talking about a legend or word of mouth or
Speaker 4: map itself. Who knows that is pre dating four thousand BC.
Speaker 4: That's fucking insane.
Speaker 2: Yes, so who could have made such advanced maps that
Speaker 2: long ago? The pirie Reeves map is real, it just
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense. So then they start getting into the
Speaker 2: pirie Res Map explained a little bit. So according to
Speaker 2: some the mystery of the pirie Rees Map has been solved.
Speaker 2: The secret is something called the pole shift theory. So
Speaker 2: a pole shift is when the entire surface of the
Speaker 2: Earth suddenly moves as one solid piece of the layers
Speaker 2: of liquid rock that make up the Earth's corp. The
Speaker 2: illustrative analogy most often used today is that of the
Speaker 2: loose peel moving around an orange. That's interesting. So the
Speaker 2: pole shift theory entered popular consciousness thanks in large part
Speaker 2: to Charles Hapgood's book nineteen fifty eight book called the
Speaker 2: Earth's Shifting Crust. The book's forward was written by none
Speaker 2: other than Albert Einstein, who helped Hapgood to develop the theory.
Speaker 2: As usual, Einstein was ahead of his time, and science
Speaker 2: has now proven that polar shifts have happened in the past.
Speaker 2: But it was Charles Hapgoods who put the pieces together
Speaker 2: and used the shifting Pole's theory to explain the Perierees map.
Speaker 2: According to Halfgood, some of the local source maps that
Speaker 2: Christopher Columbus used showed Antarctica in such incredible detail because
Speaker 2: they were created by the inhabitants of the Antarctic continent
Speaker 2: before the rapid poll shift buried them under the ice
Speaker 2: thousands of years ago. The reason these ancient source maps
Speaker 2: were so advanced using spherical trigonometry was that they must
Speaker 2: have come from an incredibly advanced ancient civilization. For Hapgood,
Speaker 2: the identity of this advanced civilization was obvious Atlantis, and yes.
Speaker 4: Could be honestly, they have currently archaeological teams in Antarctica
Speaker 4: that are drilling down through the ice and they are
Speaker 4: finding remnants of lush, green vegetation. So we know for
Speaker 4: a fact that Antarctica at one time, beyond any shadow
Speaker 4: of any doubt, absolutely was very not gonna say, tropical,
Speaker 4: but was very capable of sustaining life. And I personally
Speaker 4: do believe in the polar shift theory, not just because
Speaker 4: Einstein said it, but I mean even still, the South
Speaker 4: Pole moves every year. They go out and put like
Speaker 4: a brass hockey puck on the spot that is the
Speaker 4: current south pole, and next year they have to go
Speaker 4: out and rechart it and put it somewhere else, and
Speaker 4: there's level set. Some of that is because of plate
Speaker 4: tectonic shift and all these things, but I also believe
Speaker 4: that the poles are ever so slowly shifting around our Earth,
Speaker 4: and if the polar shift theory is as drastic as
Speaker 4: some has perspected, that would be possibly the cause of
Speaker 4: the Younger Dryest because essentially they're talking about, let's say
Speaker 4: the ball is spinning like this out of nowhere, and
Speaker 4: it starts spinning like this, Like what kind of violence
Speaker 4: is that gonna look like on Earth?
Speaker 3: It's pretty incredible to look at.
Speaker 2: But anyway, Yeah, well, and that also kind of pokes
Speaker 2: a hole in the whole flat earth theory if you
Speaker 2: think about it, because what flat earthers say is that
Speaker 2: it's flat and motionless, right.
Speaker 3: They don't understand it personally.
Speaker 2: This points to I mean, and maybe you could say
Speaker 2: that maybe it's maybe the Earth is still motionless from
Speaker 2: that perspective, and that just the crust beneath us is shifting.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I feel like there's probably gonna.
Speaker 4: Like make fifteen different mental hoops to jump through to
Speaker 4: make it make sense to say it's too much. I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: the Earth is round, y'all not trying to show that's
Speaker 4: not what the point of this episode is. We're not
Speaker 4: here to shit on flat earthers on this episode. But
Speaker 4: at this point, like it's it's just what it is.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: But according to Haguod, what inspired him to write this whole,
Speaker 2: this whole shifting of the poles theory was not only
Speaker 2: just with the help of Albert Einstein. So Albert Einstein
Speaker 2: was he helped essentially he wrote the forward to Halfgod's book, right.
Speaker 2: Einstein helped write the forward to this book, helped him
Speaker 2: create a lot of the chapters in this book and everything.
Speaker 2: And this guy was saying that according to Hapgood, according
Speaker 2: to him, Antarctica is Atlantis and the Perie Reese map
Speaker 2: is proof. So is the mystery solved or not? I
Speaker 2: don't know who knows, That's what I'm saying that, Like,
Speaker 2: that's why I was so fascinated by this in the
Speaker 2: first place, because maybe it answers a whole bevy of questions,
Speaker 2: you know, like how did they know about Antarctica? Way
Speaker 2: before this was the knowledge of circumnavigation, and was there
Speaker 2: ancient advanced civilizations that had some kind of technology, And
Speaker 2: if that ancient technology comes from somewhere, could we be
Speaker 2: looking at Antarctica being essentially agent Atlantis?
Speaker 3: It very well could be.
Speaker 4: And also when we use the term like advance civilizations,
Speaker 4: we do. I mean, yes, we could be talking about
Speaker 4: like flying craft and these types of things. We could
Speaker 4: also be talking about if you had a civilization in
Speaker 4: the year five thousand BC that had the knowledge and
Speaker 4: the technology to circumnavigate the globe, you understand that they
Speaker 4: are thousands of years advanced beyond anybody else on Earth
Speaker 4: at that time.
Speaker 3: That would be advanced.
Speaker 4: Now, that's not advanced to us today, but that would
Speaker 4: be drastically advanced to their contemporaries.
Speaker 3: So that's the other thing. When we hear the term advanced.
Speaker 4: Technology, a lot of people immediately insinuate like the movie Atlantis, right,
Speaker 4: the Disney cartoon, which, for the record, one of the
Speaker 4: best best cartoons that I've ever seen made. This is
Speaker 4: the CGI killed what could have been an amazing art form.
Speaker 4: That's a conversation for another day. But they immediately think like, oh,
Speaker 4: they had stone flying crafts that could have done this,
Speaker 4: and it's like, okay, maybe, but also understand that if
Speaker 4: this civilization had the ability to move a ship from
Speaker 4: Antarctica to Europe, that was way more advanced than anyone
Speaker 4: else on Earth was fucking with at that time.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, maybe they were messing around with levitation
Speaker 2: and anti gravity and there's no way of knowing that's
Speaker 2: the point.
Speaker 4: Or maybe they literally had figured out how a sale works,
Speaker 4: which up until that point everything was by ors.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 2: And if you think about it, this and this is
Speaker 2: what some people speculate. Maybe you're not of the mind
Speaker 2: that aliens and UFOs and stuff like that come from
Speaker 2: outer space. Maybe they're not interdimensional. Could they be from
Speaker 2: lands that we are either a haven't discovered or b
Speaker 2: are off limits or you know, something like that. Could
Speaker 2: they be coming from beyond the known world and we're.
Speaker 4: In our oceans, not even land that we haven't discovered,
Speaker 4: just underwater shit.
Speaker 2: Which is mostly undiscovered, right right, you know which? Anyway,
Speaker 2: so now I wanted to bring in your boy Dick
Speaker 2: Bird and Operation high Jump. His name is Richard Byrd,
Speaker 2: But come on, anytime you see a Richard, it's Dick
Speaker 2: automatic old dick old Dick, So what did he find?
Speaker 2: So we're going to jump to nineteen forty six, long
Speaker 2: after the Pirie Reeves and everything else, and Admiral Richard E.
Speaker 2: Byrd he led Operation High Jump forty seven hundred men,
Speaker 2: thirteen ships and an aircraft. Officially it was scientific research.
Speaker 2: Unofficially could it have been a military expedition to secure Antarctica.
Speaker 2: When Bird returned, he made bizarre statements. Antarctica is the
Speaker 2: most important place on Earth for science, but it is
Speaker 2: also the land of mystery. A land beyond the pole.
Speaker 2: That's his quote. That's not from the Possible diary. That's
Speaker 2: like him saying it. It's you can find a video
Speaker 2: of him saying that a land beyond the pole a
Speaker 2: land of mystery. Some say Bird encountered massive underground structures
Speaker 2: UFO activity or possibly even entrances to hollow Earth, which, dude,
Speaker 2: I want to believe in hollow Earth so bad. I
Speaker 2: want to do a whole another episode on that, because
Speaker 2: it's been a while since we've we haven't talked about
Speaker 2: hollow Earth in a couple of years, and I think
Speaker 2: that there's more to touch on it beyond just you know,
Speaker 2: the Admiral Bird's journals and diaries and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: but like, maybe there has to be more information about it.
Speaker 2: I think that there has to be. I don't want
Speaker 2: to say a hollow earth, but maybe could there just
Speaker 2: be civilization living beneath our feet and that's just where
Speaker 2: they dwell. You know, we talk about all the different
Speaker 2: tunnels around the world and all the different the doomsday
Speaker 2: bunkers and stuff like that, underground cities. I fully believe
Speaker 2: that there's some kind of underground cities. Does that point
Speaker 2: to the earth being hollow? Not necessarily, but it would
Speaker 2: be cooler if, you know, because the people that talk
Speaker 2: about the hollow earth, they say there's a whole nother
Speaker 2: there's huge animals, there's even bigger plants, the oxygen's a
Speaker 2: little bit more pure. That's the kind of shit that
Speaker 2: I'm interested in. And if that's real, Holy fuck, I
Speaker 2: want to go. I mean, there's all kinds of underground
Speaker 2: cities that we have found, right, caves that have been
Speaker 2: carved out in these types of things. I don't I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that I disbelieve in civilizations that are living
Speaker 2: underground currently to this day.
Speaker 4: I just also don't believe it either. I put in
Speaker 4: that weird gray area of maybe. And I'm not saying
Speaker 4: like the underground mole people or the ant people or.
Speaker 3: Something like that. Who's to say, one way or another?
Speaker 4: Is it possible that there is what we might, for
Speaker 4: lack of better words, call an alien civilization that are
Speaker 4: living two thousand feet below the our surface of dirt.
Speaker 4: How can you tell me that's incorrect? How would we
Speaker 4: know that that's incorrect?
Speaker 3: I you know, how would we know?
Speaker 2: But you know what, honestly, whenever, because you don't believe
Speaker 2: in a lot of mythological shit, especially like hollow Earth
Speaker 2: kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: And it just reminds me.
Speaker 2: Of one of the best YouTube videos of all time,
Speaker 2: which was the unicorns that were going to Candy Mountain
Speaker 2: and the unicorn Fuck yeah.
Speaker 3: I used to always say.
Speaker 2: Shun no no no no no, no, no no the
Speaker 2: non believers. That's you, sir. You're the non believer. You
Speaker 2: need to open up your fucking mind and think what
Speaker 2: if all of this shit is real? Not not to
Speaker 2: always look for proof that it isn't, but imagine for
Speaker 2: what it could be.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, if I'm just lett my imagination go for
Speaker 4: a ride, then absolutely I can imagine anything. But I
Speaker 4: also try to live in the world of reality, so
Speaker 4: I try to, you know, having a It's like saying,
Speaker 4: what if the Transformers movie was based off of real
Speaker 4: events and that is a real thing that happens. It's
Speaker 4: a fun imagination. Absolutely, I don't believe that's a true statement.
Speaker 2: I mean, imagination and reality. Sometimes the lines get a
Speaker 2: little bit blurred. Based upon your perception, you know, that's
Speaker 2: what they say that you know imagine, I mean your
Speaker 2: reality is based upon your perception. Perception is reality essentially?
Speaker 3: Like what if? What if superheroes were real?
Speaker 4: Like that is That's a fun thought process to have,
Speaker 4: and I'm not knocking it.
Speaker 3: I'm not shitting on Marvel or DC. These are fun things.
Speaker 3: I'm with you.
Speaker 4: But I'm also of the belief that if superheroes are real,
Speaker 4: we'd be having more of a situation like the Boys.
Speaker 2: Than we have with Marvel. Probably that's just my two cents.
Speaker 4: And so seeing as how we don't have that kind
Speaker 4: of shit happening, I'm not of the belief that they're real.
Speaker 4: So I mean, yeah, the underground civilizations, could they be real?
Speaker 4: Very possibly? And I'm honestly I don't have like a
Speaker 4: bunch of information to negate that they aren't real. I'm
Speaker 4: just saying I also don't have a lot of information
Speaker 4: to say that they are real. That's why I put
Speaker 4: in that gray area. I'm not shitting on the underground civilizations.
Speaker 4: I'm not shitting on hollow earth. I am more on
Speaker 4: the side of not believing it. But I don't outright
Speaker 4: think it's bullshit either.
Speaker 2: Jacob is what we like to call left brained, just
Speaker 2: very articulate, very what I say see is what I
Speaker 2: believe kind of thing, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2: But anyway, let's get a little bit over to potentially
Speaker 2: Nazi Antarctica.
Speaker 3: Now, are we still in the Admiral Berg conversation?
Speaker 4: Because I got two videos of him pulled up where
Speaker 4: he speaks about it.
Speaker 3: Uh, you actually go ahead, I was.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to mention him kind of in passing,
Speaker 2: because you can't mention Antarctica without Dick Bird.
Speaker 3: All right, So both of these videos are short. Nothing's
Speaker 3: really long here.
Speaker 4: This is just under four minutes of him speaking on
Speaker 4: behalf of what he saw when he flew over Antarctica.
Speaker 9: Myself, I think we have a good chance to avoid
Speaker 9: wall Oh they'll blu snash him. Yeah, but if we
Speaker 9: unfortunately God forbid, don't have a waw, much of it
Speaker 9: will be fought across the top of the world, across
Speaker 9: the pole.
Speaker 4: Sure, he keeps going in and out of being very
Speaker 4: quiet because the audio is trash, but he's talking about
Speaker 4: avoiding war with Hitler. Hold on, so you had I
Speaker 4: don't think you read the title reverse speech.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, maybe that's not the best video to play.
Speaker 3: Here we go admal.
Speaker 4: Bird talking about Antarctica unexplored land on Chronoscope in nineteen
Speaker 4: fifty eight. Let's go here a right. Hopefully it's not
Speaker 4: going to be as crazy.
Speaker 6: I must say that Admiral byrd our guest tonight is
Speaker 6: not only our greatest living explorer, but he's been an
Speaker 6: inspiration to countless Americans. Is there any unexplored land left
Speaker 6: on this earth that might appeal to adventurous young Americans?
Speaker 3: Ah?
Speaker 10: Yes there is, and not up around the North Pole
Speaker 10: because it's getting crowded up then now because they find
Speaker 10: out it's really useaful not only to live in but militarily,
Speaker 10: but strangely enough, as left in the world today, an
Speaker 10: area as big as the United States. That's never been
Speaker 10: seen a human being, and it's I think it's quite
Speaker 10: astonishing that they shouldn't be an area as big as
Speaker 10: that unexplored. But more important than that, it's it has
Speaker 10: to do with the future of the nation, those to
Speaker 10: come after us, or even doing a lifetime because it
Speaker 10: happens to be an untouched reservoir of natural resources.
Speaker 3: And in the future, I can see a time when it.
Speaker 10: Will be very very important, very very employed, very employing,
Speaker 10: very employing. Y.
Speaker 2: So, my Antarctica, dude, untapped resources, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: If it's just fucking ice, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: like that, maybe there is a little bit more. And
Speaker 2: then just a few years after he dies, there's the
Speaker 2: whole Antarctic Peace Treaty where what was it, sixty or
Speaker 2: seventy different countries all come together to say, like we're
Speaker 2: all going to work together on discovering this land. It's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, dude, when was the last time that
Speaker 2: that many unries came together. I mean, even bricks can't
Speaker 2: fucking get their shit together, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Oh they cannot.
Speaker 4: All right, let me see, there is another one that's
Speaker 4: back from the South Pole is immediately following his return
Speaker 4: to the States from his journey to the South Pole.
Speaker 3: So it's all still fresh in his mind.
Speaker 4: He's got some things to say about it, let's see, okay,
Speaker 4: So in their mind it's just it's a it's a
Speaker 4: silent video clip.
Speaker 3: Never mind.
Speaker 4: Then this is him on the boat returning back there.
Speaker 4: He is handsome gentlemen looking on dapper and they're throwing
Speaker 4: them a whole parade. Man, this dude's a hero at
Speaker 4: this time. Nineteen thirty Wow, all right, anyway.
Speaker 2: Anyway, So moving on, So Nazi Antarctica, Operation New Schwabenland.
Speaker 3: We've all heard of this one.
Speaker 2: So in nineteen thirty eight, nineteen thirty nine, the Nazis
Speaker 2: launched Operation New Schwabenland, exploring Queen Maudland, the very.
Speaker 3: Area that pie Rees mapped.
Speaker 2: Officially they were scouting for whaling routes, but they planted flags,
Speaker 2: they built outposts, and allegedly exd ancient structures. Some say
Speaker 2: that they found Atlantean relics or alien tech and tried
Speaker 2: to weaponize it. But was Bird's mission a direct response
Speaker 2: to Nazi discoveries. The Nazis were obsessed with ancient tech
Speaker 2: and occult knowledge. If they found something in Antarctica, do
Speaker 2: you think that that explains why the US scrambled to
Speaker 2: send forty seven hundred troops there just a few years later. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, say what you want about the Nazis and
Speaker 2: going to Antarctica, but we absolutely know that they were
Speaker 2: obsessed with finding occult things. And I think that it
Speaker 2: is pretty interesting about how officially they were just going
Speaker 2: for scouting whaling routes. But why are you building, you know,
Speaker 2: and excavating structures and shit like that if you're only
Speaker 2: searching for whaling routes.
Speaker 4: And that's the thing. We know that that was a
Speaker 4: complete cover up. Now for what purpose? Was it for
Speaker 4: Atlantean relics? Was it for lost lands? Was it for
Speaker 4: We know for sure it wasn't for whaling routes. Nobody
Speaker 4: in the last two centuries has talked about the thriving
Speaker 4: German whaling industry, And yeah, I understand that they at
Speaker 4: that point. I don't even think they were losing the
Speaker 4: war at that point. It was expensive for them to
Speaker 4: send outposts and men and all these logistics to Antarctica.
Speaker 3: They wouldn't have done that for just no purpose.
Speaker 4: And they sure the fuck weren't doing it so they
Speaker 4: could bring back metric fucked tons of whale blubber for
Speaker 4: the German people to eat. No, that's absolutely horseshit. And
Speaker 4: they weren't using the whale oil for their lamps. They
Speaker 4: had panzer divisions, mechanized units. They needed diesel fuel, not
Speaker 4: whale blubber. So it just that whole conversation is stupid
Speaker 4: to me, Like, right off the rip, Now, what were
Speaker 4: they doing in Antarctica? Now we're talking Amal Bird is
Speaker 4: saying that this area is rich with coal, oil, uranium,
Speaker 4: natural resources that we would need, not just America, but
Speaker 4: the world needs in order to thrive and grow. Were
Speaker 4: the Nazis trying to set up a off grid, so
Speaker 4: to speak, oil drilling operation. Were they going out for
Speaker 4: occult reasons to find ancient relics that they could use
Speaker 4: and weaponize.
Speaker 3: That's the thing. These are one of these things I
Speaker 3: think is lost to the sands of time.
Speaker 2: And to quote the little man from me, myself and Irene,
Speaker 2: she'll be eating well blubber all right, just as soon
Speaker 2: as I free Willie.
Speaker 3: I don't know where you were going with that.
Speaker 2: God damn oh man, what a classic quote. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean I think that Antarctica is
Speaker 2: such an anomaly and it's so secretive and for them
Speaker 2: just to be drilling for minerals and oil. I think
Speaker 2: it's much more beyond that. But we're never gonna be
Speaker 2: privy to it, especially whenever you look at some of
Speaker 2: Like the thing about like Google Earth is that it
Speaker 2: fucking blurs a lot of shit out, So whenever people
Speaker 2: start talking about it and they're like, oh wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 2: wait what did we just show them, and so they
Speaker 2: start blurting it out. We talked about that with you know,
Speaker 2: just off a coast of Long Beach in California, about
Speaker 2: that like, I don't know, fucking weird looking port that
Speaker 2: is now.
Speaker 3: Underwater, sycamore nole, dude.
Speaker 2: Right, And so people have discovered a lot of things
Speaker 2: on Antarctica just by looking at Google Earth, which now
Speaker 2: they've come to like redact and blur out. My thing is,
Speaker 2: why the fuck are you blurring shit out? Why would
Speaker 2: you blur anything out? I mean, it's just saying with
Speaker 2: the Grand Canyon exactly, Yeah, a lot of it's blurred out.
Speaker 2: So in what people were finding in Antarctica, just by
Speaker 2: looking at Google Earth as fucking.
Speaker 3: Pyramids, which it's like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: I mean, if we're talking that the ice started to
Speaker 2: really hit their big time around six thousand years ago,
Speaker 2: I mean people suggest that, you know, some of the
Speaker 2: pyramids of even Egypt were around what four thousand BC,
Speaker 2: right twenty five hundred, which would make it even crazier
Speaker 2: if the Antarctic pyramids were there even before the Egyptian.
Speaker 3: Ones were, then yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: So and then you start to look into why is
Speaker 2: Antarctica so restricted? So since nineteen fifty nine, the Antarctic
Speaker 2: Peace Treaty has forbidden independent exploration, no drill, no settlements.
Speaker 3: And they say that it's to.
Speaker 2: Protect the environment, But why do world leaders keep on visiting,
Speaker 2: Why has the pope been there? And why are parts
Speaker 2: of Antarctica blurred out on Google Earth? What's really going on?
Speaker 2: If it's just penguins and ice, what's all the secrecy?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I mean there's there's people that are currently
Speaker 4: in Antarctica that are content creators. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 4: you can see their YouTube channels. They drop weekly things
Speaker 4: about like living in Antarctica and this, this and this.
Speaker 4: There's resorts that you can go and visit as a
Speaker 4: matter of fact, and the warmer season and all of this,
Speaker 4: but you can't just explore the entire continent.
Speaker 3: Now, some of that may be.
Speaker 4: And realistically it's treacherous, it's cold as fuck. If you
Speaker 4: get turned around out there and lost, like yo, no
Speaker 4: one's coming to get you like that's that's and I
Speaker 4: understand that conversation for sure. And I could even understand
Speaker 4: because we don't own the entire continent. We own a
Speaker 4: section of it, right. They've been, they've piecemealed it out,
Speaker 4: and there's certain countries that have certain sections like a
Speaker 4: big pie chart. So I understand why maybe the Netherlands,
Speaker 4: I don't even know if they have a section. I'm
Speaker 4: just throwing out a random country here. Why their section?
Speaker 4: They don't want American google Maps to be able to
Speaker 4: zoom in.
Speaker 3: On that that's state secrets over there or something.
Speaker 4: I understand the conversation at least, But if you're also
Speaker 4: saying that there's nothing there but ice, I find it
Speaker 4: odd that you go out of your way to blur it.
Speaker 4: The same way I find it odd that you're telling
Speaker 4: me the grand canon, the entirety of that is in
Speaker 4: the United States. Why are you blurring out what you're
Speaker 4: saying is just naturally formed rocks from.
Speaker 3: Water erosion over a very long period of time. Why
Speaker 3: blur that out? That makes no sense, right, right?
Speaker 2: And so it's it's just so fascinating, and people can
Speaker 2: make what they want of the pyramids that you can
Speaker 2: see on Google Earth. I'm actually about to pull up
Speaker 2: one that somebody found on Google Earth.
Speaker 3: It is, go for it.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you think it's if you think it's
Speaker 2: just mountains, I could understand why you would think that.
Speaker 2: But that is a strange looking mountain, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: See, I think this might be the mentain I saw
Speaker 3: as a matter of fact.
Speaker 4: Where the going conversation is that basically a glacial landslide
Speaker 4: took place, and that's why it's formed this way. All right, Okay,
Speaker 4: if you're telling me even one or two sides of
Speaker 4: this structure of this of this mass.
Speaker 3: That's why it's so smooth to that side.
Speaker 4: A bunch of ice formed on this side and it
Speaker 4: kind of caved under the weight and slid off, and
Speaker 4: you could dig down below and find the rubble of that.
Speaker 4: There's other examples like that on Earth, I could understand
Speaker 4: that off of one side, arguably two, bro, that's a
Speaker 4: bit extreme to make that kind of a claim for
Speaker 4: this particular mountain peak.
Speaker 3: That is a perfect four sided pyramid.
Speaker 2: Here right right. And if you look into some of
Speaker 2: the pyramids, especially the ones in Egypt, right, like the
Speaker 2: Giza peer is it Giza? Why am I having a
Speaker 2: brain fart on that? The the Giza pyramids, if you
Speaker 2: look into them, they are perfectly like perfectly geometrically like
Speaker 2: perfect right, And if this was just random formation of
Speaker 2: a mountain, how is it perfectly two kilometers all the
Speaker 2: way around?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that nature is always imperfect. There
Speaker 2: are some weird anomalies where nature sometimes just be making
Speaker 2: too much sense mathematically. But it's specifically on Antarctica. Why
Speaker 2: you're not allowed to go there? Maybe there's pyramids there,
Speaker 2: maybe you know, I'm you talk about how people were
Speaker 2: able to go to Antarctica.
Speaker 3: I doubt they're able to go to this part.
Speaker 4: No, I seriously doubt that, dude. I mean, but you
Speaker 4: know what, there are some there are some that shit
Speaker 4: on this right, the experts, And this is one of
Speaker 4: the ones where you would say expert quote unquote, and
Speaker 4: I'm with you on this particular guy.
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard of many minute Man, Many minute Man?
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 4: I like a lot of his content, but at the
Speaker 4: same time he could be a bit of a dick
Speaker 4: when it comes to things of the conspiratorial nature. This
Speaker 4: is him debunking the pyramids in Antarctica, and I'm not
Speaker 4: saying I agree with him, and you'll see what I
Speaker 4: mean here by the end of this little clip right
Speaker 4: here on YouTube.
Speaker 3: Check it out. You know you're actually right.
Speaker 8: No mountain does have four sides of the equal angles, including
Speaker 8: fucking this one. Look at it. I've been tagged in
Speaker 8: so many conspiracy videos talking about this pyramid in Antarctica,
Speaker 8: so I'm gonna use this highly simple meme with the
Speaker 8: Sigma Male stock footage behind it to break down why
Speaker 8: this conspiracy is fucking stupid. Firstly, it's worth noting that
Speaker 8: this peak doesn't even have a name, but it is
Speaker 8: part of the Ellsworth Mountains in Antarctica. Now, as far
Speaker 8: as mountains, it's fairly small, standing at about four thousand feet,
Speaker 8: which you know is almost thirty five hundred feet taller
Speaker 8: than the Pyramid of Cufu, which he knows a little
Speaker 8: bit big for a pyramid. But my low, if it's
Speaker 8: not a pyramid, then why does it look like a pyramid?
Speaker 3: Hawkham's razor, Baby.
Speaker 8: The simplest answer is often the most likely. This shape
Speaker 8: is actually fairly common for geologic structures which were subjected
Speaker 8: to cold weather erosion. Here's a picture of the Alps
Speaker 8: where you can see a suspiciously straight ridge line. This
Speaker 8: shape is caused by repeated yearly freeze and thaw action ends,
Speaker 8: not by aliens.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's your sucking dumb That is the dumbest ample
Speaker 2: I've ever seen.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Bro.
Speaker 4: If you were to say that that was the case
Speaker 4: on that particular mountain, okay, and it was on one edge,
Speaker 4: I could even see two faces of that pyramid shape
Speaker 4: being formed from natural means. Okay, this side slid off
Speaker 4: in a shearing method, this side maybe, Okay, all four sides,
Speaker 4: and they're all just so perfectly two kilometers across. It's
Speaker 4: come on, now, dude, that's kind of crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're talking about literally the wind is hitting these
Speaker 2: sides perfectly. You know, whether it's by wind or by snow,
Speaker 2: or by glacier or you know just whatever the frozen
Speaker 2: conditions are the frozen tundra of Antarctica in general. To
Speaker 2: say that this would perfectly happen with all of the elements,
Speaker 2: that is an anomaly. If it is just naturally forming,
Speaker 2: it is one of the wildest anomalies to anomaly.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: There are examples in other mountain ranges where you can
Speaker 4: see some like smooth sheer faces off of a mountain
Speaker 4: that do happen naturally.
Speaker 3: That's wild Frantarctica.
Speaker 4: And again, Milo, I like a lot of his content
Speaker 4: because he talks a lot of history, but he also
Speaker 4: can be a bit of a dick when it comes
Speaker 4: to a conspiratorial conversation.
Speaker 3: He has pretty much waged all out war against.
Speaker 4: TikTok's favorite conspiracy guy, Philip Zeba, who for the record,
Speaker 4: he's I don't agree with a lot of what he says,
Speaker 4: but he's doing it for the sense of making content.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 4: You don't have to believe in every single thing you
Speaker 4: talk about it. It's for the principle of entertainment. But yeah,
Speaker 4: it's been a back and forth between those two. It's
Speaker 4: really funny to watch.
Speaker 2: Actually, I mean just imagine being the guy that debunks everything.
Speaker 4: He's got t shirts made a Google debunker because like
Speaker 4: a lot of the conspiratorial conversation, in his opinion, could
Speaker 4: be quickly debunked from a Google search.
Speaker 2: But like, seriously, just imagine waking up and looking at
Speaker 2: a theory or a conspiracy or anything that people might
Speaker 2: get excited about or imagine or believe in, and you're like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna wake up today and fucking crush their souls.
Speaker 2: That's my job. I'm gonna do that every single day.
Speaker 2: I fucking hate people like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not his main shtick by any means. He
Speaker 4: is a what he considers a science communicator. He talks
Speaker 4: a lot about He actually has done archaeology before, he's
Speaker 4: been on dig sites. He has a degree in these
Speaker 4: types of things, so he's like, yes, classically trained, but
Speaker 4: also he pulls back a lot of the myths as
Speaker 4: far as like like you would say, history being all
Speaker 4: agreed upon and there's like truth to a lot of
Speaker 4: these things that hasn't been known before.
Speaker 3: Now. He communicates well when it comes to those kinds
Speaker 3: of conversations, and that's the content that I.
Speaker 4: Enjoy, Like the hope Well site. He did a very
Speaker 4: in depth little well I say little. It's like a
Speaker 4: forty five minute video on the Hope Well Indian Mounds,
Speaker 4: and I thought it was beautifully done. And he talks
Speaker 4: about the sacred geometry they were using, and he's not shit.
Speaker 3: It was done very well.
Speaker 4: But then also there's that side of it where he'll
Speaker 4: go out of his way to shit on conspiracy people.
Speaker 3: So it's you know, that's not his whole stick, but
Speaker 3: at least half of his.
Speaker 4: Personality is a little bit of a Yankee soy boy
Speaker 4: cuck content creator.
Speaker 3: So there's levels to it.
Speaker 2: There's level I mean, look, dude, I for a long
Speaker 2: period of my life, I used to work in pizza shops.
Speaker 2: I was in the back, I was in the front.
Speaker 2: I was slapping dough, I was serving tables, I was
Speaker 2: serving drinks. But to say that I can slap just
Speaker 2: because I have experience in slapping out some dough, that
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I'm fucking Papa John, Like, No,
Speaker 2: that would be incorrect, Like I'm I don't have that
Speaker 2: level of experience. So just to say that I played
Speaker 2: in the field that the experts played in does not
Speaker 2: make you a fucking expert.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I guess I could see your point.
Speaker 4: But it would also mean that whenever some new pizza
Speaker 4: shop opens up and you go and try it out
Speaker 4: in the pizza's ass and the dough is like weirdly
Speaker 4: formed and all these things, you could probably point out
Speaker 4: a couple of things that they did wrong.
Speaker 3: Right, I was sure.
Speaker 2: I mean there, maybe you want to add a little
Speaker 2: bit more sugar, a little bit more flour, a little
Speaker 2: bit more yeast. Maybe the dough needed a little bit
Speaker 2: more time to rise or whatever, a little bit more
Speaker 2: time to ferment. There's always things that you can pick
Speaker 2: and choose.
Speaker 4: But like, it doesn't make you a master of the craft,
Speaker 4: but it also gives you at least a semi decent
Speaker 4: vantage point to say, listen, this pizza's ass, you need.
Speaker 3: To do this, and if the chef gets mad at you, oh,
Speaker 3: I am a pizza I studied in Italy. I know
Speaker 3: what I'm doing.
Speaker 4: B It's like, listen, I'm not saying I'm an expert.
Speaker 4: I've slapped some dough before and I could tell you
Speaker 4: you're fucking up, so like yeah, but but but even still,
Speaker 4: it's not like I have the taste buds of perfection.
Speaker 4: I still have my own, you know what I prefer, Like,
Speaker 4: I'll take a New York's Lives over a Chicago Deep
Speaker 4: Dish all day, every single day.
Speaker 2: The deep don't really care about it. So if I
Speaker 2: was to give my opinion on a Chicago Deep Dish,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be the right person for that job.
Speaker 4: Fair point, right, You're you're the guy that could give
Speaker 4: your two cents when it comes to the hand tossed conversation, right,
Speaker 4: But the deep dish conversation is not your that's not
Speaker 4: your jam.
Speaker 3: You know too much bread.
Speaker 4: And that's why in the realm of education and the
Speaker 4: academics and all this, you have guys that like, no,
Speaker 4: my my thing is more like Hellenistic history.
Speaker 3: Like I know a little bit about Roman, but.
Speaker 4: Like Hellenistic is my jam, or like no, no, no,
Speaker 4: do Mesopotamian is my shit? Yeah, Like I can tell
Speaker 4: you some things about the British Empire, but like ancient
Speaker 4: Mesopotamia is my shit. And that you have these people
Speaker 4: that are special specialized in their fields.
Speaker 3: So there's there's levels to it.
Speaker 4: And that's the thing I don't I don't really particularly
Speaker 4: care for how he shits on people like that video,
Speaker 4: for instance, you need to be a dick about it.
Speaker 3: You went out of your way to be a dick.
Speaker 4: Because it's funny and because being a dick for the content,
Speaker 4: I understand. But from what I could tell, his personality
Speaker 4: is also like that a bit.
Speaker 3: It's so, you know, there are certain things.
Speaker 4: That he puts out that I get down with, certain
Speaker 4: things that I pretty much outright hate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he'd went on a whole ti rape.
Speaker 4: He found a history of the Earth from a Christian perspective.
Speaker 4: It was literally from a fundamentalist Christian understanding that made
Speaker 4: a textbook about how the Earth was formed, how science
Speaker 4: is wrong with these things. He went out of his
Speaker 4: way to shit on it. Now, granted he didn't shit
Speaker 4: on Christianity. He shipped on the writers of this book, right,
Speaker 4: and so like I give credit that he at least
Speaker 4: gave those distinctions, but he like took personal offense to
Speaker 4: some of the things that were made rather than just
Speaker 4: like taking this opportunity to be a learning moment. And
Speaker 4: they said it was this way, here's what we know
Speaker 4: about There's different tones you could take.
Speaker 3: You know, that's all you.
Speaker 2: Ever seen that you've seen, Like all the rick and
Speaker 2: Morty episodes. Right, yeah, well, like whenever Rick and Morty
Speaker 2: they like, I think they went down to Hell and
Speaker 2: they were talking to all the demons and shit like that,
Speaker 2: and they were like, oh, it causes me so much discomfort,
Speaker 2: which brings me pleasure, you know, like that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Like he looks like the kind of guy that wakes
Speaker 2: up on the wrong side of the bed and loves it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It's like, it's like Wes Huff whenever he went up
Speaker 4: against Billy Carson just throwing it out.
Speaker 3: He could have been a dick. He could have been like, well,
Speaker 3: you're fucking wrong, because Papa. He was very kind in
Speaker 3: his demeanor. He didn't outright shit on Billy.
Speaker 4: He respectfully disagreed and could show the receipts on his disagree.
Speaker 2: Somewhat condescending, he was somewhat condescending. I'm not gonna say
Speaker 2: that he wasn't.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say condescending.
Speaker 4: You had your boy quoting from the Gospel of Barnabas
Speaker 4: and like wes Huff's like, well, that's a known forgery.
Speaker 4: Here is why this and this he wasn't like, well,
Speaker 4: the gos like He wasn't a dick, is my point.
Speaker 4: There was a respectful tone to it. There are people
Speaker 4: that are dicks for the sole purpose of being an asshole.
Speaker 3: You don't have to take that tone, is my point.
Speaker 2: The being a dick for the sole purpose of being
Speaker 2: an asshole.
Speaker 3: You heard what I said. That was a That was
Speaker 3: a Jacob quote right there. I love it. That's that
Speaker 3: should be a T shirt, honestly. Yeah, don't be a
Speaker 3: dick for the sake of being an asshole, you prick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that just goes into polarity, you know, equals and
Speaker 2: opposites right there.
Speaker 4: Maybe the negative plus a negative, right, I mean.
Speaker 2: You can't have one without the other. For every dick,
Speaker 2: there needs to be an asshole. So I'm going to
Speaker 2: be a dix and hopes that an asshole shows up.
Speaker 3: At that point. I like it. But stuff anyway, but stuff?
Speaker 2: Uh so, all right, this is where it gets into
Speaker 2: flat earth and hidden hidden lands potentially so flat earthers research.
Speaker 2: Flat Earth researchers argue that the perie Rees map shows
Speaker 2: that that there's land beyond the Antarctic ice Wall, that's
Speaker 2: what they suggest, and forbidden territories that we're not told about.
Speaker 2: And even if you don't buy the model, it sparks
Speaker 2: a valid question are there hidden consonants or resources we're
Speaker 2: being kept away from?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: Does that prove that we live on a flat earth? No,
Speaker 2: because you're gonna get a globir that'll just say, well
Speaker 2: maybe it. Maybe the globe is just bigger, so you
Speaker 2: can argue it fucking six ways to Sunday. The point
Speaker 2: is is that there are people that look at this
Speaker 2: map and they're like, maybe there's more land. And if
Speaker 2: you're just to be honest, like if you were somebody
Speaker 2: that had access to a lot of these maps and
Speaker 2: you wanted to show a map of the world and
Speaker 2: you wanted to maybe I don't know, keep some of
Speaker 2: that land to yourself without anybody getting to it, you
Speaker 2: could see how some elites would do that, right, Sure,
Speaker 2: that's not crazy to think I understand that. So yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's just a I don't know, is there hidden land?
Speaker 2: Is there hidden land, or just are they hiding something
Speaker 2: far more disturbing. Then you get into potentially what was
Speaker 2: it like Nephelum that were buried beneath the ice or
Speaker 2: buried beneath the land or whatever the fuck?
Speaker 4: Who's to say, who's to say what kind of civilization
Speaker 4: was thriving on the continent of what we would now
Speaker 4: call Antarctica circuit ten thousand years ago? Were they just
Speaker 4: humans just like us? Were they advanced humans in some way,
Speaker 4: shape or form? Were they giants? They were they alien
Speaker 4: by what we would call today?
Speaker 3: Who fucking knows.
Speaker 2: So, just to touch on a little bit more with Hapgood,
Speaker 2: Graham Hancock, and Charles Charles Albert Einstein's endorsement. So Charles
Speaker 2: Hapgood believed that the Perio Rees map was evidence of
Speaker 2: prehistoric seafaring civilizations, and Einstein even endorsed Hapgood's work, and
Speaker 2: which is you know, it's pretty amazing that he endorsed
Speaker 2: his work whenever he was alluding to Atlantis the entire time.
Speaker 2: I mean, say what you want. Maybe he was. Maybe
Speaker 2: Einstein just maybe he got a little tickle in his
Speaker 2: pants for that kind of mythological shit, or maybe he
Speaker 2: actually believed that Hapgood was on something.
Speaker 4: It's very possible. And I mean we're talking about the
Speaker 4: we've talked about the Bronze agec peoples that are in
Speaker 4: a mystery and an anomaly in and of themselves. Who's
Speaker 4: to say that their point of origin wasn't Antarctica. I
Speaker 4: don't know that for a fact. No one knows anything
Speaker 4: about them. We've had multiple people come on and say
Speaker 4: that they were the tribe of Dan, they were uh,
Speaker 4: these lost tribes. They were Atlanteans, they were this, they
Speaker 4: were How do we know they weren't Anarkan?
Speaker 3: We don't Anarchian? What the fuck? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: We don't know that for a fact.
Speaker 4: We do know that they had advanced seafaring technology and
Speaker 4: capabilities that no one else in the Bronze Age could
Speaker 4: come close to touching, right, Who fucking knows they There's
Speaker 4: been an argument to say that this was a quote
Speaker 4: unquote Bronze Age Viking, a civilization that just came down
Speaker 4: from the Nordic countries and came through unrated people.
Speaker 3: Do we know that for a fact, No, No, we
Speaker 3: do not.
Speaker 4: We have there's very scant evidence of even what skin
Speaker 4: color they were.
Speaker 3: We don't know shit, right.
Speaker 2: And so even in that in that half good book
Speaker 2: alluding to Antarctica and the shifts, crusting and possibly Atlantis,
Speaker 2: Einstein was actually entertaining the idea of crustal shifts and
Speaker 2: law civilizations, so that points to it possibly, you know,
Speaker 2: being more than just pseudoscience.
Speaker 4: At that point, I agree, and I mean, hell, even
Speaker 4: if it was pseudoscience, they're talking about one of the
Speaker 4: greatest scientific minds of the last fucking four centuries that
Speaker 4: was dabbling in the pseudoscience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's okay to have an imagination and be educated.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So if it was suppressed history, you know, why
Speaker 2: would they hide it? So why isn't it taught in schools?
Speaker 2: Why do mainstream historians dismiss it? Because if the Perires
Speaker 2: map is legitimate, which the Air Force captain legitimized it,
Speaker 2: essentially it destroys the official exploration timeline. It proves pre
Speaker 2: Ice age advanced civilizations actually existed, and it exposes that
Speaker 2: knowledge has been hoarded for centuries. So who benefits from
Speaker 2: keeping humanity in the dark about our real history? And
Speaker 2: what are they protecting by hiding it?
Speaker 3: That's the question.
Speaker 2: You really got to ask yourself why would they be
Speaker 2: hiding it?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: And then of course you kind of just have to
Speaker 2: let your imagination run rambant, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, then you got to add in UFOs and Antarctica.
Speaker 2: So modern UFO disclosures keep trying or keep tying back
Speaker 2: to Antarctica Whistleblower's hint at alien ruins beneath the ice?
Speaker 2: Could this be why Antarctica is restricted? Is it a
Speaker 2: contact zone between humans and non human intelligences, the same
Speaker 2: beings who may have given us the source maps that
Speaker 2: per recopied. I don't necessarily buy that. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but it's fun to speculate. So is this why we're
Speaker 2: seeing the slow UFO drip feed? Which I don't know
Speaker 2: if you've been keeping up, bro, there's been shitloads of
Speaker 2: allegedly UFO videos captured and I really don't know what
Speaker 2: to do about it because we do live in a
Speaker 2: day and age of AI, and I just have a
Speaker 2: hard time trusting anything. But to be honest, if you
Speaker 2: were going to soft launch disclosure, you so do it
Speaker 2: in a time where people would be questioning the validity
Speaker 2: of it because of AI and because of editing softwares
Speaker 2: and shit like that.
Speaker 4: I mean, even when it comes to the flying craft
Speaker 4: that pilots are getting out of the military and saying, yo,
Speaker 4: I saw the same blip on my radar.
Speaker 3: It was doing maneuvers that we can't create.
Speaker 4: Like that's impossible that that was human technology and all
Speaker 4: these things I fully believe in the alien conversation. Now
Speaker 4: where they come from, That's where we get into the
Speaker 4: level of speculation. Who fucking knows. I have my own
Speaker 4: beliefs on it. You have your own beliefs on A
Speaker 4: good cult member listening, you have your own beliefs on it. Now,
Speaker 4: we could argue that to the cows come home, But
Speaker 4: I honestly one hundred percent believe that we are going
Speaker 4: to and definitely in our lifetime.
Speaker 3: I would argue, maybe even before the end of this year, maybe.
Speaker 4: Come into complete, undisclosed contact with another race of being
Speaker 4: that is not from our plan of existence.
Speaker 3: I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 4: It's a very open ended broad brush I'm painting with,
Speaker 4: but that's the best I could do.
Speaker 2: A consciousness unknown essentially, So so Pirie Reefs wasn't just
Speaker 2: making a map. He was preserving lost knowledge.
Speaker 3: Essentially.
Speaker 2: He knew that it came from ancient sources, sources powerful
Speaker 2: enough to rewrite the story of humanity essentially. So if
Speaker 2: this fragment can do that, what could the rest of
Speaker 2: the map show? And if it still exists, who's keeping
Speaker 2: it hidden and for what reasons? Which I find to
Speaker 2: be pretty curious to say at least, so if the
Speaker 2: pier Reefs map is more than a curiosity, the purier
Speaker 2: resapp is more than a curiosity. It's a crack in
Speaker 2: the facade of our official history. It tells us that
Speaker 2: advanced civilizations human or otherwise, map this planet long before
Speaker 2: modern day humans. It tells us that Antarctica is hiding
Speaker 2: more than ice. It tells us that the people uh.
Speaker 2: It tells us that the people who know the truth
Speaker 2: aren't interested in sharing it, and that the question isn't
Speaker 2: whether the peier Reefs map is real, It's that the
Speaker 2: question is what else have they hidden? So that's that's
Speaker 2: why I love this kind of stuff, because it points to,
Speaker 2: you know, experts being wrong and potentially hoarding of information,
Speaker 2: and that's what this show is really all about. So
Speaker 2: that's really why I wanted to get into Perry Reese
Speaker 2: in general. Had I had heard of it in passing before,
Speaker 2: but I was like, what is that really all about?
Speaker 3: It's just fascinating.
Speaker 2: This guy in fifteen thirteen fifteen fifteen was able to
Speaker 2: fifteen thirteen because his dad died in fifteen eleven. His
Speaker 2: dad was the pirate and then turned was it naval
Speaker 2: commander or something like that, and so maybe he got
Speaker 2: a little bit of that information from his dad. And
Speaker 2: what I was thinking about is like, if his dad
Speaker 2: was a pirate before, who's to say that he wasn't
Speaker 2: pirting and looting and stealing you know, potential loss maps
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. I don't know, but I do
Speaker 2: find it fascinating that this guy was the creator of
Speaker 2: this map and it was lost for so long until
Speaker 2: it was eventually discovered a few hundred years later, and
Speaker 2: it proves everything completely wrong. I mean, we already know
Speaker 2: that Columbus wasn't the first to discover America. You know,
Speaker 2: that was that was ridiculous. There were already people on it.
Speaker 2: It was already discovered, people were inhabiting it, right, But
Speaker 2: you know, it just makes you wonder what do we
Speaker 2: know about our history? What do we know about you know,
Speaker 2: pre Ice age? And could there potentially been advanced civilizations
Speaker 2: on this land? And then you look into all the
Speaker 2: the Atlantis stories and everything, and it's like, man, I
Speaker 2: want to believe that, and maybe Antarctica is proof. Maybe
Speaker 2: maybe we'll learn one day. I have to speculate that
Speaker 2: we we're not going to learn it, but those of
Speaker 2: higher power probably would.
Speaker 4: Absolutely and it's crazy that you would say that this
Speaker 4: you's dad was a pirate. So the Ottoman Empire, right,
Speaker 4: the Barbary Pirates as they are known, they were some
Speaker 4: of the most feared pirates of their day and age,
Speaker 4: which is actually in the Marine Corps hymn from the
Speaker 4: Halls of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli. That is
Speaker 4: because Thomas Jefferson sent marines to go and fuck up
Speaker 4: the Barbary pirates that were the Ottoman pirates in question
Speaker 4: here in the seventeen hundreds of old, which is why
Speaker 4: the Marine Corps officers sword is a Mameluke sword. It's
Speaker 4: an Automan sword that they took once they took over
Speaker 4: this area in Tripoli. But yeah, if for anybody who's curious, here,
Speaker 4: they were a Muslim group. They were Islamic, and there
Speaker 4: was a ship that ran aground in their area and
Speaker 4: the pirates beheaded all of the surrendering US naval members
Speaker 4: and Thomas Jefferson could not understand why, so he asked
Speaker 4: to get all of the information on Islam, like we
Speaker 4: need to understand what kind of culture would just behead
Speaker 4: surrendering guys. That's not how civilized people do business. Then
Speaker 4: when he read the Quran and found what the Islamic
Speaker 4: faith believes in, he said, oh, so the only language
Speaker 4: that these people understand is beheading in violence.
Speaker 3: Got you, hey, newly formed a marine corps.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna need you to go and draw some blood
Speaker 4: because they killed some of us, and we're gonna go
Speaker 4: ahead and set up precedence that that is bad for
Speaker 4: your health.
Speaker 3: So they did, they did, and we.
Speaker 4: Brought back a sword and a story and we sing
Speaker 4: songs about it to this day. So the Barbary pirates
Speaker 4: aka the Ottoman pirates in question here very renowned in
Speaker 4: the day and age that we're talking about here. They
Speaker 4: were big from like the sixteenth century to I want
Speaker 4: to say, even the nineteenth centuries, when the eighteen hundreds
Speaker 4: is when they finally like went fully by the wayside.
Speaker 3: But yeah, dude, interesting shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, I that is crazy. Is that
Speaker 2: where the Barbarian term comes from?
Speaker 3: No, that actually comes from Rome.
Speaker 4: So the same way that the Vandals that you've heard
Speaker 4: that term before you vandalized something. The Vandals were actually
Speaker 4: a tribe that was to the north of the Roman
Speaker 4: Empire when they were making their way into Germanica and
Speaker 4: Gaul and all these things. The Vandals, the Visigoths where
Speaker 4: we get Gothic from.
Speaker 3: These were all tribes to the north of Rome.
Speaker 4: So Barbarian, the Barbarian hordes quote unquote if you will
Speaker 4: that that's an old term that comes way way far back.
Speaker 3: Barbary comes from.
Speaker 4: Uh believe it's the Barbary coast, which is ralph the
Speaker 4: coast of the Horn of Africa. So, but the Ottoman
Speaker 4: Empire stretched from Turkey around the Horn of Africa.
Speaker 3: All it was.
Speaker 2: It was a big empire, very large damn. I mean, hey,
Speaker 2: it's fun learning about history. It just have to put
Speaker 2: a little faith in it, you know, Dad said, I
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Speaker 2: were they doing pre ice age? You know, what was
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