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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the

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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna pick up where

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we left off with the interview with the Captain from

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mcc Question was redacted off that day? Bo? Answer redacted?

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Was I believe at the time his schedule of the

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Shoe lieutenants were not working on the weekends? Answer or question? Okay? Answer?

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They work Monday through Friday. I believe it was seven

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thirty to four. Question okay? Answer, so redacted was on

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military he was on leave. He had military leave because

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he had his monthly drill, monthly drill that he would attend.

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Question Okay, do you know if he was on leave

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both on August ninth and August tenth or August tenth,

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you said he wouldn't have worked, but was on August ninth? Answer?

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Let me see here, question and you can just say

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was he on the schedule? Answer? Yeah, so, I mean

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right here, I'm looking at the roster for Friday, August ninth,

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and I believe that the Shoe lieutenant post was left

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unassigned for that Friday. Question all right, so that would

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just lead us to believe he was not there. Correct answer,

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that's correct. He was not there, no question. Great And

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what his position have been like, you know, was there

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someone that was placed in the acting role when he

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was gone? Answer? Normally, due to our staffing at MCC

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at that point or at that time, we tried to

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ensure that, you know, looking over the roster to ensure

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that someone was within there the supervising unit. But again,

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due to the shortage of lieutenants at the time, I

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had to as monitoring or looking at the roster, I

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would try to place areas of importance, so operations lieutenant

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ensured that the activities lieutenant was filled and at the

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time that particular day he wasn't on the roster or

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that post was left unassigned. Question and that post, like

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you said, isn't assigned on the weeknd? Answer? No question,

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so Saturday, great answer, No, it's not question all right? Redacted.

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Advice that his staff provides special consideration for high profile

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inmates if deemed appropriate and designated as such. In order

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to ensure an inmate is provided with proper care, the

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facility evaluates the inmate using several measures, including mental, physical, medical, psychological,

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and sexual assault, victim or predator assessments. Since different inmates

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are admitted with different criteria. Appropriate housing varies. Answer correct

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question all right. Redacted interacted with inmate Jeffrey Epstein on

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approximately three occasions at MCC all of which Epstein maintained

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a pleasant demeanor. Answer correct question. During the first instance,

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Epstein asked redacted who he was, and Redacted responded by

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introducing himself and explaining his position at the jail. During

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another instance, Redacted explained to Abstein the policy regarding meals

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during attorney sessions and made certain that Epstein was accommodated

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with water, visits to the restroom, et cetera. So did

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he receive and I know it's my understanding that he

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was most days in with his attorneys. Answer yes, So

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most days from the time that attorney visitation would open

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and made Epstein was in that area primarily until it closed.

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Question all right. And that's where it says Epstein spent

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most of the day with his defense counsel and was

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brought down as soon as the attorney visit opened. So

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would that be like Monday through Friday or Monday that

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seven days a week? Answer that seven days a week?

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Question all right? So was it almost every day? Answer

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every day? Question? And his food was brought to him

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there then answer no question okay, how would you obtain

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his food? Answer? Now, as far as food, I know,

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and like I said, it's been a while. Normally inmates

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do not eat while they're in visitation. Question okay. Answer,

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they're provided water, they're provided to go to the bathroom.

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The inmate, you know, is afforded the meal. However, I

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believe that he was offered meals from the vending machine,

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but I'm not sure. Question okay. Answer, I can't remember

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as far as because I didn't remember. There was an

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issue with that, and I know we tried to accommodate

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or address it. I just can't remember what was done.

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Question would the attorneys be allowed to bring in food?

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Answer no question, no answer, No, No outside food would

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have been allowed in question okay, answer so I can

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tell you if he was actually getting a tray during

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that time. I can't remember, but I do remember there

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were conversations that and I know we did something in

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order to ensure that the inmate was provided some type

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of meal or whatever. I can remember. Question sure, all right,

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that's fine. As far as the mentions to visits, do

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you remember anything about the third visit that you made

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with Epstein. Answer the third one. So that night on

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that would be Friday, August ninth of twenty nineteen. I

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believe I had worked that day close to eight. It

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was about eight or so. Question eight pm answer eight pm?

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Question okay answer. So I was actually on my way

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and exited, you know, went and talked to the operations

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and activities lieutenants, you know, let them know I was

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leaving for the day. And when I reached the elevator

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on the third floor, it made Epstein was being escorted

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out of the attorney visit by his unit manager. Question

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okay and who was that? Answer? Which that was? I

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believe redacted? At which time I, you know, I said, hello,

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how you doing, mister Epstein? And he was like, okay.

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So he had asked me and he said captain, he said, okay,

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if I got a telephone call. Now, mind you, we

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had already discussed that when the inmate, he would reasonably

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attempt to always facilitate a phone call for the inmate,

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especially while him being housed in the shoe. So I

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said to the redacted, I said, redacted, are you going

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to the shoe? He said yeah. I said, well, are

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you going to be able to monitor the call with

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the inmate and he was like, yeah, I got no

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problem with that. I said, well, I don't have a problem.

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Just make sure that you follow the protocols. And the

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protocol is that when the inmate is allowed to use

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the phone, it has to be monitored by staff, and

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the number and who they're talking to has to be

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placed in a log. Question okay. Answer so I said,

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make sure that takes place. I'm good with it. So

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that's when I got in the elevator and I exited

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the institution. Question all right, so this conversation happened with

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redacted in front of mister Epstein. Answer yes it did.

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Question okay, and that's the point where okay, so did

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you authorize that call to be made from the shoe

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Answer yes. Question was there a certain line that they

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should have used? Answer? Yes, it's a secure line. You

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have two lines. You know. You can plug it in

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to the outgoing and then it's the jack that's just

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for inside of the institution calls, or you can put

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it into the other jack which allows those calls to

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be outgoing. Question would the call have been a legal line? Answer? Yeah,

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it would be just an out This would be an

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out question. Okay, answer outline, and they're not recorded? Is

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the question? Answer? Right? Question? And that's why you said,

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make sure they get cut off by the guard. Yeah.

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And did you tell them at all the document that

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was cut off again? Yes, I told him to ensure

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that he is present that the protocol of what the

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protocol is, because I asked him, I said, look, I said,

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make sure that you're present at the phone call. I said,

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make sure that it's logged. And when you dial the number,

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the number, you have to like stann the line and

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he said, he says, well, I want to call my attorney.

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Who is your attorney? So on and so on? Okay,

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when they answer the phone, I said, this is mcc

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my name is so and so I have a call

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for Jeffrey Epstein. What is your name and what is

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your title? So we can log it and the time

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that it's logged, and then you give the phone to

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the inmate and then you sit there while they're on

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the phone. Question and you know if that was done?

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Answer again, I don't know. Question, you don't know. Answer.

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I just ensured that's it, like I said, That's why

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I asked him. I said, are you going to the shoe?

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Are you going to be able to monitor the phone call? Question?

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But you don't know. He gets cut off by the guard.

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He didn't say yes, question if you wrote anything up? Answer?

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I don't know what he did. Question okay answer. I

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just ensured that I told him question sure answer, what

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needed to be done? Question? And what would typically happen

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with that log after he logged it? Answer the phone

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call question? Sure answer or that log question like after

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he documented it? Answer? It would be maintained just in

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a log question okay answer. It wouldn't be brought for

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anyone's review, you know. It would just be like, hey,

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did Epstein get a call? Yeah, I could tell you,

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so I can pull the book and then I can

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tell you and look when he was given a call. Question,

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So it goes into a specific Epstein file answer, Yeah, No,

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it wouldn't. It doesn't go into a file. It goes

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into a book. It goes into a book for monitored

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calls for all the inmates and legal calls. Question for

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all inmates. So not just Epstein answer, that's correct. It

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would be a green log book, you know, and it

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would have the name of the inmate and who they

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call the number the time. I don't know if the

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duration is on there, but it'll be a person who

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also monitored the call. So you know all that information,

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But it wasn't something like a form that was filled

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out and then it was placed in the inmates file

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or a central file. Question and do you know if

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that log book was filled out? Answer? I don't know.

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Question you don't know. Okay. When you met with Epstein

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on that night, how is his demeanor? Answer? It was fine.

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He was cheerful. Question he was cheerful. Answer. You know,

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he didn't look disheveled. Because I asked him, I said,

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how you doing? You all right? He said, man, I'm good.

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Everything is fine. And I said, do you have a

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good visit? He said, yeah, everything is fine. Cap I said,

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all right, man. Question okay, no cause for concern. Answer no,

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because every time we had that interaction it was always pleasant.

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He was never negative. Question okay. It says Redacted was

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made aware of the possibility that Epstein would be housed

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at MCC in advance of Epstein's arrival. Redacted was not

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present when Epstein was admitted to the facility. Epstein was

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thoroughly vetted to determine if he was fit for general population,

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and he was ultimately placed in the special housing unit.

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MCC places inmates under three categories of close supervision, one

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dry cell for those at risk of smuggling contraband, two

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psychological observation, and three suicide watch. Is that all correct? Answer?

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Yeah at the time? Question okay, So who made the

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decision to place him in the special housing unit specifically

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and why? Answer? Okay? So, basically, the rationale replacement of

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the inmate in the special housing unit would have been

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a decision that was ultimately made by the warden. They

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would have took the critical or criteria of the inmate.

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They would have been okay, well, what's his risk? You know,

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what would the likelihood of him being endangered if he

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would be placed in general popular his culpability canny cope

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while being inside of a general housing unit. So the

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determination was between medical health services, Oh, I'm sorry, health services,

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psychology and the warden. Question and who was the warden

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at the time? Answer it was redacted? Question and do

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you know how to spell that last name? Answer it

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would be redacted. Question, thank you sir? Are there any

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other secure housing units within the MCC? Answer? There is

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only one secured housing unit. That's the shoe. All right, folks,

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we're gonna wrap up right here, and in the next

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episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where

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