Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna pick up where
we left off with the interview with the Captain from
mcc Question was redacted off that day? Bo? Answer redacted?
Was I believe at the time his schedule of the
Shoe lieutenants were not working on the weekends? Answer or question? Okay? Answer?
They work Monday through Friday. I believe it was seven
thirty to four. Question okay? Answer, so redacted was on
military he was on leave. He had military leave because
he had his monthly drill, monthly drill that he would attend.
Question Okay, do you know if he was on leave
both on August ninth and August tenth or August tenth,
you said he wouldn't have worked, but was on August ninth? Answer?
Let me see here, question and you can just say
was he on the schedule? Answer? Yeah, so, I mean
right here, I'm looking at the roster for Friday, August ninth,
and I believe that the Shoe lieutenant post was left
unassigned for that Friday. Question all right, so that would
just lead us to believe he was not there. Correct answer,
that's correct. He was not there, no question. Great And
what his position have been like, you know, was there
someone that was placed in the acting role when he
was gone? Answer? Normally, due to our staffing at MCC
at that point or at that time, we tried to
ensure that, you know, looking over the roster to ensure
that someone was within there the supervising unit. But again,
due to the shortage of lieutenants at the time, I
had to as monitoring or looking at the roster, I
would try to place areas of importance, so operations lieutenant
ensured that the activities lieutenant was filled and at the
time that particular day he wasn't on the roster or
that post was left unassigned. Question and that post, like
you said, isn't assigned on the weeknd? Answer? No question,
so Saturday, great answer, No, it's not question all right? Redacted.
Advice that his staff provides special consideration for high profile
inmates if deemed appropriate and designated as such. In order
to ensure an inmate is provided with proper care, the
facility evaluates the inmate using several measures, including mental, physical, medical, psychological,
and sexual assault, victim or predator assessments. Since different inmates
are admitted with different criteria. Appropriate housing varies. Answer correct
question all right. Redacted interacted with inmate Jeffrey Epstein on
approximately three occasions at MCC all of which Epstein maintained
a pleasant demeanor. Answer correct question. During the first instance,
Epstein asked redacted who he was, and Redacted responded by
introducing himself and explaining his position at the jail. During
another instance, Redacted explained to Abstein the policy regarding meals
during attorney sessions and made certain that Epstein was accommodated
with water, visits to the restroom, et cetera. So did
he receive and I know it's my understanding that he
was most days in with his attorneys. Answer yes, So
most days from the time that attorney visitation would open
and made Epstein was in that area primarily until it closed.
Question all right. And that's where it says Epstein spent
most of the day with his defense counsel and was
brought down as soon as the attorney visit opened. So
would that be like Monday through Friday or Monday that
seven days a week? Answer that seven days a week?
Question all right? So was it almost every day? Answer
every day? Question? And his food was brought to him
there then answer no question okay, how would you obtain
his food? Answer? Now, as far as food, I know,
and like I said, it's been a while. Normally inmates
do not eat while they're in visitation. Question okay. Answer,
they're provided water, they're provided to go to the bathroom.
The inmate, you know, is afforded the meal. However, I
believe that he was offered meals from the vending machine,
but I'm not sure. Question okay. Answer, I can't remember
as far as because I didn't remember. There was an
issue with that, and I know we tried to accommodate
or address it. I just can't remember what was done.
Question would the attorneys be allowed to bring in food?
Answer no question, no answer, No, No outside food would
have been allowed in question okay, answer so I can
tell you if he was actually getting a tray during
that time. I can't remember, but I do remember there
were conversations that and I know we did something in
order to ensure that the inmate was provided some type
of meal or whatever. I can remember. Question sure, all right,
that's fine. As far as the mentions to visits, do
you remember anything about the third visit that you made
with Epstein. Answer the third one. So that night on
that would be Friday, August ninth of twenty nineteen. I
believe I had worked that day close to eight. It
was about eight or so. Question eight pm answer eight pm?
Question okay answer. So I was actually on my way
and exited, you know, went and talked to the operations
and activities lieutenants, you know, let them know I was
leaving for the day. And when I reached the elevator
on the third floor, it made Epstein was being escorted
out of the attorney visit by his unit manager. Question
okay and who was that? Answer? Which that was? I
believe redacted? At which time I, you know, I said, hello,
how you doing, mister Epstein? And he was like, okay.
So he had asked me and he said captain, he said, okay,
if I got a telephone call. Now, mind you, we
had already discussed that when the inmate, he would reasonably
attempt to always facilitate a phone call for the inmate,
especially while him being housed in the shoe. So I
said to the redacted, I said, redacted, are you going
to the shoe? He said yeah. I said, well, are
you going to be able to monitor the call with
the inmate and he was like, yeah, I got no
problem with that. I said, well, I don't have a problem.
Just make sure that you follow the protocols. And the
protocol is that when the inmate is allowed to use
the phone, it has to be monitored by staff, and
the number and who they're talking to has to be
placed in a log. Question okay. Answer so I said,
make sure that takes place. I'm good with it. So
that's when I got in the elevator and I exited
the institution. Question all right, so this conversation happened with
redacted in front of mister Epstein. Answer yes it did.
Question okay, and that's the point where okay, so did
you authorize that call to be made from the shoe
Answer yes. Question was there a certain line that they
should have used? Answer? Yes, it's a secure line. You
have two lines. You know. You can plug it in
to the outgoing and then it's the jack that's just
for inside of the institution calls, or you can put
it into the other jack which allows those calls to
be outgoing. Question would the call have been a legal line? Answer? Yeah,
it would be just an out This would be an
out question. Okay, answer outline, and they're not recorded? Is
the question? Answer? Right? Question? And that's why you said,
make sure they get cut off by the guard. Yeah.
And did you tell them at all the document that
was cut off again? Yes, I told him to ensure
that he is present that the protocol of what the
protocol is, because I asked him, I said, look, I said,
make sure that you're present at the phone call. I said,
make sure that it's logged. And when you dial the number,
the number, you have to like stann the line and
he said, he says, well, I want to call my attorney.
Who is your attorney? So on and so on? Okay,
when they answer the phone, I said, this is mcc
my name is so and so I have a call
for Jeffrey Epstein. What is your name and what is
your title? So we can log it and the time
that it's logged, and then you give the phone to
the inmate and then you sit there while they're on
the phone. Question and you know if that was done?
Answer again, I don't know. Question, you don't know. Answer.
I just ensured that's it, like I said, That's why
I asked him. I said, are you going to the shoe?
Are you going to be able to monitor the phone call? Question?
But you don't know. He gets cut off by the guard.
He didn't say yes, question if you wrote anything up? Answer?
I don't know what he did. Question okay answer. I
just ensured that I told him question sure answer, what
needed to be done? Question? And what would typically happen
with that log after he logged it? Answer the phone
call question? Sure answer or that log question like after
he documented it? Answer? It would be maintained just in
a log question okay answer. It wouldn't be brought for
anyone's review, you know. It would just be like, hey,
did Epstein get a call? Yeah, I could tell you,
so I can pull the book and then I can
tell you and look when he was given a call. Question,
So it goes into a specific Epstein file answer, Yeah, No,
it wouldn't. It doesn't go into a file. It goes
into a book. It goes into a book for monitored
calls for all the inmates and legal calls. Question for
all inmates. So not just Epstein answer, that's correct. It
would be a green log book, you know, and it
would have the name of the inmate and who they
call the number the time. I don't know if the
duration is on there, but it'll be a person who
also monitored the call. So you know all that information,
But it wasn't something like a form that was filled
out and then it was placed in the inmates file
or a central file. Question and do you know if
that log book was filled out? Answer? I don't know.
Question you don't know. Okay. When you met with Epstein
on that night, how is his demeanor? Answer? It was fine.
He was cheerful. Question he was cheerful. Answer. You know,
he didn't look disheveled. Because I asked him, I said,
how you doing? You all right? He said, man, I'm good.
Everything is fine. And I said, do you have a
good visit? He said, yeah, everything is fine. Cap I said,
all right, man. Question okay, no cause for concern. Answer no,
because every time we had that interaction it was always pleasant.
He was never negative. Question okay. It says Redacted was
made aware of the possibility that Epstein would be housed
at MCC in advance of Epstein's arrival. Redacted was not
present when Epstein was admitted to the facility. Epstein was
thoroughly vetted to determine if he was fit for general population,
and he was ultimately placed in the special housing unit.
MCC places inmates under three categories of close supervision, one
dry cell for those at risk of smuggling contraband, two
psychological observation, and three suicide watch. Is that all correct? Answer?
Yeah at the time? Question okay, So who made the
decision to place him in the special housing unit specifically
and why? Answer? Okay? So, basically, the rationale replacement of
the inmate in the special housing unit would have been
a decision that was ultimately made by the warden. They
would have took the critical or criteria of the inmate.
They would have been okay, well, what's his risk? You know,
what would the likelihood of him being endangered if he
would be placed in general popular his culpability canny cope
while being inside of a general housing unit. So the
determination was between medical health services, Oh, I'm sorry, health services,
psychology and the warden. Question and who was the warden
at the time? Answer it was redacted? Question and do
you know how to spell that last name? Answer it
would be redacted. Question, thank you sir? Are there any
other secure housing units within the MCC? Answer? There is
only one secured housing unit. That's the shoe. All right, folks,
we're gonna wrap up right here, and in the next
episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where
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