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Terms and conditions apply See website Ford. 25 00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:02.039 Loop. 26 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:15.640 You are now listening to True Murder, The most Shocking 27 00:01:15.719 --> 00:01:18.760 Killers in True Crime History and the authors that have 28 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:26.120 written about them, Gasey, Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker BTK. Every 29 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:29.840 week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and 30 00:01:29.920 --> 00:01:34.439 infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with your host, 31 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:37.319 journalist and author Dan Zupansky. 32 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:50.640 Good evening. This is your host Dan Zupanski for the 33 00:01:50.680 --> 00:01:53.920 program True Murder, The most shocking Killers in true crime 34 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:58.159 History and the authors that have written about them. What 35 00:01:58.280 --> 00:02:02.200 goes through the dark minds is notorious killers as Ted Bundy, 36 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:07.280 Jeffrey Dahmer, David Berkowitz, Son of Sam, John, Wayne Gacy, 37 00:02:07.760 --> 00:02:12.479 Dennis Rader, b t K and others. In this chilling book, 38 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:15.439 you'll read exactly what they were thinking in their own 39 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:21.000 words as they committed horrible crimes, using court transcripts and 40 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:24.879 police interviews. Veteran true crime and crime fiction writer Tom 41 00:02:24.919 --> 00:02:29.560 Philbin has compiled the testimony of twenty infamous serial killers 42 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:34.639 nineteen men and one woman. For fans of crime stories 43 00:02:34.639 --> 00:02:37.680 who look for realism, this book is like no other. 44 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:42.199 The descriptions couldn't be more realistic, since in effect, This 45 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:45.960 book is written by the serial killers themselves. Their words 46 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:50.039 range from the bizarre and weirdly fascinating to the revolting 47 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:54.840 and horrific. In each case, Philbin provides a background profile 48 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:57.879 to give readers a sense of the context from which 49 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:02.840 these monsters emerged. Though they come from different backgrounds, nationalities, 50 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:08.039 and generations, their words do reveal certain common elements. Not 51 00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:11.639 one invinces any sense of compassion or sensitivity in regard 52 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:15.479 to their victims. They appear to be unable to control 53 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:18.759 the impulses that lead them to kill, and in many 54 00:03:18.800 --> 00:03:23.000 cases they derive a perverse sexual satisfaction from their deeds. 55 00:03:25.240 --> 00:03:29.520 Taking true crime reading to a new level of immediacy, 56 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:32.719 this disturbing book offers a glimpse into the worst side 57 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:36.960 of human nature. The book that we're profiling receiving is 58 00:03:37.159 --> 00:03:42.159 I Monster serial Killers in their own chilling words by 59 00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:49.439 Tom Philbin and narrated by yours. Truly, this programmer has 60 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:54.360 to have a special warning because, as described in the introduction, 61 00:03:55.599 --> 00:03:58.919 this is the worst of the worst, and when we 62 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:04.280 talk about that they derive a perverse sexual satisfaction from 63 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:09.159 their deeds. That's also all mixed up with murder and sex, 64 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:15.400 So they're inseparable and disgusting in nature throughout. So if 65 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:20.240 your week of the stomach or faint of the heart, 66 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:25.199 maybe take a rain check on this program, because I'm 67 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:30.920 basically this book is like it's described in the introduction. 68 00:04:31.720 --> 00:04:36.240 It is a brief synopsis or description or background, a 69 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:40.240 background of the killer themselves. And then what is really 70 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:46.800 highlighted and showcased or here in this book published is 71 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:51.319 the words, the chilling words, the shocking words that the revolting, 72 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:58.040 disgusting words of these famous and infamous serial killers. We 73 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:01.279 won't cover all of them. And I've got to say 74 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:04.680 this book is really very very very interesting. But the 75 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:09.600 only drawback I got to say, and it's unfortunate that 76 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:15.959 Wesley Allan Dodd has his diaries quite a bit of 77 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:21.560 the diaries published in this book in his own handwriting. However, 78 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:29.399 it's almost indecipherable even with so Unfortunately, one of the 79 00:05:29.399 --> 00:05:31.759 worst and one of the most interesting, and one of 80 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:37.519 them less famous or less infamous killers is Wesley Allen Dodd. 81 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:44.920 And I strained and strained with my little Walmart glasses 82 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:47.439 and I could barely read it. So there's no way 83 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:50.439 I'm going to be able to narrate it, so I 84 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:53.439 don't say I say that he does a great job 85 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:58.480 throughout providing it's very, very readable. Unfortunately, that's the only 86 00:05:58.639 --> 00:06:01.160 little drawback, and I wanted to read something from Wesley 87 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:05.759 Allen Dodd, but like I say, it's really kind of 88 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:13.279 difficult to read. But an amazing Tom Philben has introduced 89 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:16.399 me to Wesley Allen Dodd in terms of a killer 90 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:18.759 that I was not as aware of, and now I 91 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:23.000 am a little more interested, especially after the straining and 92 00:06:23.040 --> 00:06:28.000 reading this in his fine book, I'm Monster. So I'm 93 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:29.720 going to read a little bit of the introduction, not 94 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:34.920 the entire introduction, because I think that would be appropriate 95 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:40.439 for me narrating and basically promoting this book on behalf 96 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:44.519 of from Atheists Publishing. I got their permission and I said, 97 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:49.759 I contacted Tom Philbin, but for whatever reason, he's not 98 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:52.399 interested to come on the program. But since I had 99 00:06:52.519 --> 00:06:54.160 was very interested in the book, I read it from 100 00:06:54.199 --> 00:06:57.639 cover to cover a couple of times, and I asked 101 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:02.279 Frometheus if I could do this program and gave me 102 00:07:02.319 --> 00:07:05.959 their blessings. So here we are, So without any further ado, 103 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:07.680 I'm going to read a little bit of the introduction 104 00:07:07.720 --> 00:07:13.000 and we'll get into what I have talked about in 105 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:30.800 terms of the worst of the worst. This book will 106 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:33.079 not be everyone's cup of tea, but for the true 107 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:35.600 crime fans who like to take their murder stories straight, 108 00:07:36.199 --> 00:07:38.759 it would be hard to think of anything more appealing 109 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:42.040 because it is written by the serial killers themselves, direct 110 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:45.879 quotations from their letters, confessions, trial transcripts, and the like. 111 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:48.720 While a good hunk of the material can be fairly 112 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:51.639 characterized as a rough ride, not all of it is. 113 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:54.680 For example, one thing of a particular interest was the 114 00:07:54.759 --> 00:07:57.639 questionnaire filled out by John Wayne Gacy, the serial killer 115 00:07:57.639 --> 00:07:59.920 who murdered more than thirty young boys in a suburb 116 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:04.560 outside Chicago. His answers to it are utterly oblivious to 117 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:09.759 his homicidal persona, But the words of some killers are horrific, 118 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:13.160 straight from hell. For example, what could be more horrific 119 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:16.680 than Edmund Kemper describing in his confession to cops how 120 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:20.480 he freendedly stabbed a six year old girl to death 121 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:24.839 one lovely day in California, experienced a sexual exultation as 122 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:28.519 he did. Or Wesley Allen Dodd and the unspeakable things 123 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:31.759 he did to a four year old victim or Dennis Rader, 124 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:34.960 who wiped out one by one an entire family, described 125 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:38.279 the experience with all the interest he might have had 126 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:41.840 in blowing his nose. Each of the chapters start with 127 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:45.559 a background on the particular killers, so the reader will 128 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:49.759 be able to put the killer's utterances and deeds into context. Reason, 129 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:53.559 the more you understand the context, the more you'll enjoy. 130 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:58.480 If that is the right word the book, unless otherwise noted, 131 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:05.559 The killer quotes come from official sources, such as court transcripts, 132 00:09:06.320 --> 00:09:14.000 pardon me, in interviews with police and district attorneys. The 133 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:17.879 advantage of using this kind of material that it is 134 00:09:17.919 --> 00:09:21.559 more likely to be truthful. When cops and other official 135 00:09:21.679 --> 00:09:27.360 investigators probe for the truth, they usually get it. And 136 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:30.360 though I consider myself a card carrying ghoul with the 137 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:35.039 requisite cast iron stomach, when it comes to the subject, 138 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:38.600 I had some difficulty making it through some of the material. 139 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:42.240 The reason, I think is that while this book is 140 00:09:42.279 --> 00:09:47.120 about serial killers, it is also about their victims. Never 141 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:52.200 before have I grasped what victims go through. Then, when 142 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:56.360 researching this book, more than once I had to stop 143 00:09:56.399 --> 00:10:00.840 reading for a while, and more than once my sense 144 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:07.279 of liberalness, my constant quest to understand why went away, 145 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:09.600 And all I wanted to do was use my bare 146 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:15.720 hands to kill these killers. A great offshoot for this book, 147 00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:19.279 we think, is that it will provide insight into the 148 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:22.279 mind and soul of the serial killer as never before. 149 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:26.159 As you get to see how these people react with 150 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:29.919 their victims, you start to understand that none of them 151 00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:33.320 has a conscience, none of them cares at all for 152 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:36.519 their victims. You understand that when they kill, it is 153 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:41.840 a sexual experience. Most will have an erection or experience 154 00:10:42.039 --> 00:10:50.440 orgasm as their victims die, and most paramount, and for most, 155 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:53.679 if not all, you'll come to realize that power and 156 00:10:53.720 --> 00:10:57.080 control of their victims is paramount. And you'll come to 157 00:10:57.159 --> 00:10:59.799 understand that they relive the death of their victims by 158 00:10:59.840 --> 00:11:03.120 handling parts of their victims or pieces of their property. 159 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:06.200 And you come to understand that one body isn't enough 160 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:10.799 for serial killers. They will never stop killing until someone 161 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:14.759 stops them of all the main monsters of the twentieth 162 00:11:14.759 --> 00:11:20.039 and twenty first centuries will be heard from people like 163 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:24.840 Cannibal and child killer Albert fish Green, River killer Gary Ridgeway, 164 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:27.440 who killed so many women he couldn't remember how many. 165 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:32.039 Ted Mundy, who killed untold numbers of women estimates vary, 166 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:37.320 including two in one day. Dennis Raider, the BTK bind 167 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:41.200 torture killed murderer from Topeka, Kansas, who in court testimony 168 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:46.240 described his stomach churning escapades with a nonchalance as suggested 169 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:51.120 above bordering on boredom. And David Parker Ray, who with 170 00:11:51.240 --> 00:11:56.039 a coven of diseased cohorts in New Mexico tortured kidnapped 171 00:11:56.240 --> 00:11:59.960 teenagers and young women, raping them thirty to forty two 172 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:04.679 times before getting down to serious torture. And two nineteenth 173 00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:09.320 century killers, Jack the Ripper and H. H. Holmes are quoted. 174 00:12:10.039 --> 00:12:13.039 In a few instances when the material is particularly nasty, 175 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:20.039 we have provided cautionary notes. One of the most famous 176 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:23.600 serial killers of all time, but now probably in the 177 00:12:23.679 --> 00:12:27.679 last ten twenty years, not so much, but a very 178 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:33.679 interesting serial killer, David Berkowitz. David Berkowitz who grew up 179 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:36.960 to become the infamous serial killer, son of Sam Proud, 180 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:39.720 of the streets of New York City, armed with a 181 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:44.879 forty four caliber Bulldog Revolver, shooting people at random, mostly 182 00:12:44.919 --> 00:12:48.399 young women. He was born to two people who were 183 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:55.200 married but not to each other. They gave their bastard 184 00:12:55.320 --> 00:13:01.200 child up for adoption to a nat in Pearl Berkowitz, 185 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:06.399 who raised David in the Coop City complex of apartments 186 00:13:06.399 --> 00:13:11.000 in the Bronx. Now, the exact reason for his development 187 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:13.399 into a serial killer are not known, but by the 188 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:15.720 age of twenty two, he was, as one cop put 189 00:13:15.799 --> 00:13:20.639 it later, three courts low, he thought Blood's thirsty demons 190 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:23.840 were controlling him, one in particular, named Sam, who was 191 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:26.559 embodied in a neighbor's black lab dog. 192 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:28.519 A. 193 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:31.759 Berkowitz started thinking of himself as a son of Sam, 194 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:37.000 the sort of a person who would follow Sam's or 195 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:40.559 the Devil's orders exactly, and those orders were to send 196 00:13:40.559 --> 00:13:45.360 people into the next life. The following our selections from 197 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:48.000 official court documents and notes and letters he wrote for 198 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:52.639 his conviction. Now an introduction is not really fair. There's 199 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:55.279 a little bit of sarcasm in there, but some assess 200 00:13:55.399 --> 00:13:58.279 of course, there was a defense that no one is 201 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:01.039 ever quite sure whether he was faking his insanity or 202 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:05.080 was he truly insane, And the courts have never really 203 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:10.840 cared too much in terms of giving any credence to 204 00:14:10.919 --> 00:14:16.759 the insanity plea, especially when you've incited this much terror 205 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:20.879 on an entire city, like Son of Sam David Berkowitz 206 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:30.440 did this is? Son of Sam, writes to police and 207 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:35.000 the press. Dear Captain Joseph Borelli, I am deeply hurt 208 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:37.440 by your calling me a woman hater. I am not, 209 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:41.879 but I am a monster. I am the son of Sam. 210 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:45.679 I am a little brat. When Father Sam gets drunk, 211 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:49.519 he gets mean. He beats his family. Sometimes he ties 212 00:14:49.559 --> 00:14:52.039 me up to the back of the house. Other times 213 00:14:52.080 --> 00:15:02.600 he locks me in the garage. Sam loves to drink blood. 214 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:06.799 Papa Sam keeps me locked in the attic too. I 215 00:15:06.840 --> 00:15:09.960 can't get out, but I look out the attic window 216 00:15:10.039 --> 00:15:13.399 and watch the world go by. I feel like an outsider. 217 00:15:14.200 --> 00:15:17.919 I am on a different wavelength than everybody else. Program 218 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:20.720 to kill, however, to stop me, you must kill me. 219 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:25.399 Attention all police, shoot me first, shoot to kill or else. 220 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:29.279 Keep out of my way, or you will die. Papa 221 00:15:29.320 --> 00:15:32.320 Sam is old now he needs some blood to preserve 222 00:15:32.360 --> 00:15:35.600 his youth. He's had too many heart attacks. Too many 223 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:42.120 heart attacks. It hurts sunny boy. I miss my pretty 224 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:45.320 princess most of all. She's residing in our lady's house. 225 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:49.440 But I'll see her soon. I am the monster, Beezelbub, 226 00:15:49.879 --> 00:16:00.240 the chubby behemoth. Go out and kill commands Father Sam. 227 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:05.399 Behind our house. Some rest, mostly young, raped and slaughtered, 228 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:11.440 their blood drained, just bones. 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I must be the water they drink. 288 00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:20.279 I live for the hunt, my life blood for Papa, 289 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:24.960 mister Barelli, Sir, I do not want to kill anymore, No, sir, 290 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:30.960 no more, but I must honor my father again. To 291 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:33.039 the people of Queen's, I love you, and I want 292 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:35.400 to wish you all a happy Easter, and God bless 293 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:38.599 you in this life. And the next and for now 294 00:19:42.440 --> 00:19:47.599 I say goodbye and good night yours and murder mister monster. 295 00:19:53.559 --> 00:19:57.240 So maybe we'll move on from David Berkowitz. Again, that's 296 00:19:57.279 --> 00:19:59.960 sort of a mix of one of the only ones, 297 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:04.680 one of the rare serial killers that went to trial 298 00:20:04.759 --> 00:20:07.880 with any kind of insanity defense. But as you could 299 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:11.200 even almost read in this there's I don't know, it's 300 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:16.599 sort of the mix of the lucid and it's very insane, 301 00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:19.359 So I don't know. There was always question on that 302 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:23.480 defense that he got messages from his dog and Satan. 303 00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:34.519 So now I've done a program, But as spoken to 304 00:20:34.759 --> 00:20:38.880 Jeffrey Dahmer, there are two or three books I believe, 305 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:41.319 or at least a couple that we've covered on this 306 00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:46.039 program in the last three years, but no book specifically 307 00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:49.480 about Jeffrey Dahmer. Since the books that were written about 308 00:20:49.519 --> 00:20:54.119 Dahmer were very well covered, and the authors that wrote 309 00:20:54.119 --> 00:20:56.920 those definitive books about Jeffrey Dahmer, it was such a 310 00:20:56.960 --> 00:21:01.559 long time ago, thirty years ago plus that there is 311 00:21:02.119 --> 00:21:05.000 those are the hardest authors to come back on and 312 00:21:05.039 --> 00:21:09.160 talk about a classic book about their work with Jeffrey Dahmer, 313 00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:13.559 their experience and the book itself, because they've done numerous, 314 00:21:13.759 --> 00:21:17.920 numerous interviews and they have either moved on to other 315 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:23.119 projects or are currently on busy with other book projects, 316 00:21:23.119 --> 00:21:25.599 and it's hard to keep back straight, and so there's 317 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:30.680 this less desire. Anyway, this book is a great provider 318 00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:34.680 of information. And let's talk about Jeffrey Dahmer a little bit. 319 00:21:35.680 --> 00:21:39.279 Jeffrey Dahmer was born in Milwaukee. In nineteen sixty. When 320 00:21:39.319 --> 00:21:43.759 he was six years oldest family moved to Ohio. There's 321 00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:47.319 not a great body of evidence to hint about or 322 00:21:47.359 --> 00:21:50.640 clearly to explain what happened to create Jeffrey Dahmer the killer, 323 00:21:50.680 --> 00:21:53.519 but is known that as a child he witnesses his 324 00:21:53.559 --> 00:21:58.519 mother and father's arguments, which of course would be might 325 00:21:58.559 --> 00:22:01.200 be threatening to a child. There also reports that a 326 00:22:01.240 --> 00:22:06.680 male neighbor had sexually molested him, nothing really confirmed, whatever 327 00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:09.480 the confluence of forces. By the age of ten, Jeffrey 328 00:22:09.559 --> 00:22:12.599 was clearly showing the signs of a future serial killer. 329 00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:16.359 He delighted in violating the bodies of dead animals, such 330 00:22:16.359 --> 00:22:18.559 as mounting the head of a dog on a steak, 331 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:23.519 decapitating rats and mice, and bleaching chicken bones. In June 332 00:22:23.599 --> 00:22:26.000 nineteen seventy eight, when he was eighteen years old, he 333 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:29.640 murdered his first human being. His mother and father had 334 00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:34.000 separated by this time, had gone off somewhere on separate journeys, 335 00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:37.480 and had left him alone in the house. He had 336 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:39.519 access to a car, and he picked up a hitchhiker 337 00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:44.240 named Stephen Hicks. He took Stephen home with him with 338 00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:46.640 the hopes of having sex with him, but when Hicks 339 00:22:46.720 --> 00:22:50.680 won to leave, Dahmer prevented him by smashing him in 340 00:22:50.720 --> 00:22:54.200 the skull with a barbell, and then Dahmer cut him 341 00:22:54.279 --> 00:22:58.200 up and buried the parts. He just said later he 342 00:22:58.279 --> 00:23:02.000 didn't want him to leavenineteen eighty two, Dahmer moved in 343 00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:06.799 with his grandmother in West Alice, Wisconsin. In August of 344 00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:09.319 that year, he was arrested for exposing himself at a 345 00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:13.279 state fair. In September nineteen eighty six, he was charged 346 00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:17.000 again with public exposure after two boys accused him of 347 00:23:17.079 --> 00:23:20.359 masturbating in public. This time, he was sentenced to a 348 00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:26.400 year in prison. On September twenty fifth, nineteen eighty eight, 349 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:29.759 he was arrested for finling a thirteen year old Lowatian 350 00:23:29.839 --> 00:23:33.160 boy in Milwaukee. On May twenty third, nineteen eighty nine, 351 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:38.720 Dahmer's lawyer, Gerald Boyle and assistant district Attorney Gail Shelton 352 00:23:39.319 --> 00:23:44.119 presented their argument to Judge William Gardner. Sheldon won in 353 00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:53.759 a prison sentence of at least five years. In my judgment, 354 00:23:53.839 --> 00:23:56.720 is absolutely crystal clear that the prognosis for treatment for 355 00:23:56.880 --> 00:24:00.680 mister Dahmer within the community is extremely bleak. His perception 356 00:24:00.759 --> 00:24:07.160 that what he did wrong here was choosing too young 357 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:10.400 a victim and that's all he did wrong is part 358 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:13.200 of the problem. He appeared to be cooperative and recepted, 359 00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:16.640 but anything that goes below the surface indicates the deep 360 00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:20.359 seated anger and deep seated psychological problems that he is 361 00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:24.039 unwilling or incapable of dealing with. He did have a 362 00:24:24.079 --> 00:24:27.240 good lawyer in this, Gerald Boyle, and Dahmer was quite 363 00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:31.839 well spoken at trial and spoke to a judge who 364 00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:34.200 wanted to lock him up and throw away the key 365 00:24:34.839 --> 00:24:41.400 because he had served time for sexual offenses previously. In 366 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:43.359 the end, he got a year, served ten months in 367 00:24:43.400 --> 00:24:46.200 a work release camp, and then he convinced the judge 368 00:24:46.279 --> 00:24:49.640 that he needed therapy. He was released on good behavior 369 00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:54.319 with five years of probation. Shortly Thereafter, he racked up 370 00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:57.799 a string of brutal murders, some of which involved cannibalism, 371 00:24:58.000 --> 00:25:02.119 ending with his nineteen ninety one I want to rest 372 00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:07.240 this is Jeffrey Dahmer. I think in some way I 373 00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:10.559 wanted it to end, even if it meant my own destruction, 374 00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:15.359 to relieve the minds of the parents. I mean, it's 375 00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:17.720 a small, very small thing, but I don't know what 376 00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:19.920 else I could do. At least I can do that 377 00:25:20.799 --> 00:25:23.400 because I created this horror, and it only makes sense 378 00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:25.640 that I do everything to put an end to it, 379 00:25:25.720 --> 00:25:29.079 a complete end to it. It's just a nightmare, Let's 380 00:25:29.079 --> 00:25:30.680 put it that way. It's been a nightmare for a 381 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:34.400 long time, even before I was caught. For years now, obviously, 382 00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:38.079 my mind has been filled with gruesome, horrible thoughts and ideas, 383 00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:41.720 a nightmare. I couldn't find any meeting in my life 384 00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:43.680 when I was out there. I'm sure as hell I'm 385 00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:46.000 not going to find it in here. This is the 386 00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:48.720 grand finale of my life, poorly spent, and the end 387 00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:54.559 result is just overwhelmingly depressing. It's just a sick, pathetic, wretched, 388 00:25:54.799 --> 00:25:58.440 miserable life story. That's all it is. How can it 389 00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:11.480 help anyone. And I have no idea. I don't even 390 00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:17.000 know if I have the capacity for normal emotions or not, 391 00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:20.839 because I haven't cried for a long time. You just 392 00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:23.880 stifled them for so long that maybe you lose them 393 00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:27.400 partially at least, I don't know. I don't know why 394 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:31.400 it started. I don't have any definitive answers on that myself. 395 00:26:31.920 --> 00:26:34.359 If I knew the true real answers of why all 396 00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:37.559 this started before it ever did, I wouldn't probably have 397 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:41.480 done any of it. If I'd been thinking rationally, I 398 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:44.799 would have stopped. I wasn't thinking rationally because it just 399 00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:48.680 increased and increased. It was almost like I wanted to 400 00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:50.359 get to a point where it was out of my 401 00:26:50.440 --> 00:26:53.599