WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:01.360 Welcome to Big for Society. 2 00:00:01.399 --> 00:00:04.280 If you have Bigfoot activity to report from the same 3 00:00:04.360 --> 00:00:07.120 areas discussed in this episode, please reach out to me 4 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:10.320 directly after this episode. And if you'd like to be 5 00:00:10.359 --> 00:00:14.240 on the podcast to discuss a personal Bigfoot encounter, please 6 00:00:14.279 --> 00:00:17.079 reach out to me directly at Bigfoot Society at gmail 7 00:00:17.120 --> 00:00:19.120 dot com. Do you wish there was more Big for 8 00:00:19.280 --> 00:00:20.879 Society to listen to every week? 9 00:00:21.039 --> 00:00:21.679 There is now. 10 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:24.320 If you become a supporting member over at Patreon, you 11 00:00:24.399 --> 00:00:28.559 get a special members only episode every single week on Wednesdays, 12 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:33.280 and sometimes even more episodes. Head on over to patreon 13 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:36.079 dot com fort Slash the Big for Society, And now 14 00:00:36.200 --> 00:00:40.119 let's get on with the show on our Bigfist Society. 15 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:42.600 I've got the privilege of talking to an individual. His 16 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:45.880 name is Freddie. He's out there from the great state 17 00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:50.759 of Washington, and he had listened to one of my 18 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:54.960 Packwood Washington episodes not too long ago, and then he 19 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:57.960 heard how I was asking if anyone else had any 20 00:00:58.039 --> 00:01:01.719 encounters around that area, and so emailed me right after 21 00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:05.280 he listened to that episode. So, Freddie, it's a pleasure 22 00:01:05.319 --> 00:01:06.840 to have you on the show today. 23 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:10.560 Thank you. I appreciate it. 24 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:13.719 Is there anything else that the listeners would need to 25 00:01:13.760 --> 00:01:17.040 know about your background before I have you go into 26 00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:20.400 your story of what you experienced out there in the woods. 27 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:22.239 Yeah. Sure. 28 00:01:22.359 --> 00:01:25.840 I'm originally from down Southeast and I was born and 29 00:01:25.879 --> 00:01:30.519 raised down there in military and came up here and 30 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:33.920 in i'd say probably late nineties was when I first 31 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:36.920 moved up here, And to be honest with you, I 32 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:40.040 really didn't know anything or that much about. 33 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:40.920 Bigfoot stuff at all. 34 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:44.519 It's a lot more prevalent up here and a lot 35 00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:47.920 more interested in that when all this came about with 36 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:52.439 what happened with us, that was the I just didn't 37 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:56.439 really know what I was actually seeing or experiencing or 38 00:01:56.480 --> 00:02:00.879 hearing anyway. Yeah, I've honestly, I've tried to keep this 39 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:04.599 story to myself because the area was a hunting area 40 00:02:04.879 --> 00:02:07.680 and how it is with guys that don't want to 41 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:10.199 give up their hunting areas and that kind of stuff. 42 00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:13.800 But this happened around two thousand and four. One of 43 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:15.800 the reasons I'm okay with going ahead and talk about 44 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:18.319 it is it's been twenty years and so this happened 45 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:24.439 a while ago. But also another site that corroborates my 46 00:02:24.560 --> 00:02:27.599 story on this was actually had already been posted in 47 00:02:27.719 --> 00:02:30.520 the location and everything, so I'm going to go ahead 48 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:33.240 and divulge some stuff that normally I wouldn't have done, 49 00:02:33.240 --> 00:02:35.960 but it's already out there, so I'm just it's okay 50 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:38.319 to talk about it. I just wanted to share my 51 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:41.280 experience about what happened with my son and I on 52 00:02:41.439 --> 00:02:42.840 this little adventure. 53 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:48.520 And yeah, and Freddie, something I would request of you, 54 00:02:48.639 --> 00:02:51.159 just because I'm looking at a map, is if you 55 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:55.360 could include what it took to actually get into this location, 56 00:02:55.639 --> 00:02:59.439 because it looks like it may have taken a little 57 00:02:59.439 --> 00:03:00.960 bit of work to get in there, but I don't know. 58 00:03:02.120 --> 00:03:06.439 Yeah, no, you're exactly right. It's so this is an 59 00:03:06.520 --> 00:03:10.039 area that the area is called Go Mountain, and that 60 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:14.319 area is mainly traveled by horse. It's a horse camp 61 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:18.840 up above. And when you're coming into this area, you're 62 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:23.039 entering it in through the Mount Saint Helens Area park area, 63 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:26.639 but then you're going you're eventually making your way back 64 00:03:26.680 --> 00:03:30.639 over into the forested National forest Land, which is areas 65 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:32.080 that you can hunt and that kind of stuff. 66 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:32.919 So it's on the border. 67 00:03:33.599 --> 00:03:36.840 The first mountain you got to traverse up is really 68 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:39.400 steep I'd say that's probably a good three and a 69 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:42.280 half four miles straight up and then another three miles 70 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:46.800 down to some lakes that you can get to as well. 71 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:49.719 A lot of people go up there for hiking. People 72 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:52.199 fish up there a little bit, so there is a 73 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:54.800 little bit of trout fishing up there. And yeah, I 74 00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:58.199 would say in total, coming from the base of this 75 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:02.439 mountainous area is to the actual end resort, which was 76 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:04.719 where I was. We were camped out of a lake 77 00:04:04.759 --> 00:04:08.319 called dead Men's Lake. That's probably from the beginning of 78 00:04:08.400 --> 00:04:11.520 the trail head to that lake is probably around seven 79 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:13.360 to seven and a half miles. I think it's about 80 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:15.800 seven and a half miles. I think all I know 81 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:19.079 is hiking it and going that steep in elevation. It 82 00:04:19.160 --> 00:04:21.800 definitely feels like a long way. It's a pretty good hike. 83 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:26.720 So the first probably four miles is pretty hard just 84 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:30.920 because it just going up switchbacks. And usually when I 85 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:32.600 would go up there, because I used to go up 86 00:04:32.639 --> 00:04:36.399 there every year just about to hunt. We're carrying fifty 87 00:04:36.439 --> 00:04:39.199 sixty seventy pound packs just depending on how much stuff 88 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:42.319 we needed to get up in that area. Because usually 89 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:44.759 when I would hunt up there, we'd be up there 90 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:47.279 for about five days five days to a week. It 91 00:04:47.399 --> 00:04:50.560 just depending on my work schedule and all that. But 92 00:04:50.800 --> 00:04:54.079 this particular year, my son and I he had just 93 00:04:54.279 --> 00:04:58.240 he was thirteen, getting ready to turn fourteen, and this 94 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:01.480 was his first big, real big h with me. I'd 95 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:03.240 been hunting up there. Oh yeah, let me explain that 96 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:06.000 to you. I've been hunting that area since about two thousand. 97 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:10.800 A friend of mine that he flew aircraft and stuff, 98 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:14.639 he knew this area pretty well and basically introduced me 99 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:17.759 to this area. And so I'd hunted that area for 100 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:20.439 a few years prior to me taking my son up there. 101 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:24.720 And I went up there during archery season. So this 102 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:28.319 was around I'm guessing around September time frame two thousand 103 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:31.519 and four. And like I said, my son was probably 104 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:34.920 close to fourteen. I was around thirty two years of 105 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:39.040 age at that time, and so a little more fit, 106 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:41.079 a little more ragile to get up in these areas. 107 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:45.680 And so anyway, we packed up down below at the 108 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:49.839 trailhead where the horse camp one of the main start 109 00:05:49.879 --> 00:05:53.279 where people trader out their horses to go up the trailhead. 110 00:05:54.439 --> 00:05:56.839 We made like a base camp down there with a 111 00:05:56.879 --> 00:06:00.279 really little, tiny RV I just kept down there. We 112 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:02.480 has a base camp, and then the plans was to 113 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:05.519 set the satellite camp up above at dead Men's and 114 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:08.439 just camp there, not really hunt there, but just camp 115 00:06:08.519 --> 00:06:12.040 there and then go out from there. Anyway, so we 116 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:14.399 went up, we hiked up. It was like I said, 117 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:16.399 like you said earlier, it is not an easy place 118 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:18.199 to get to. We had to try to beat the 119 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:21.160 horse of guys on horseback up there that morning. So 120 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:23.519 we left out in the dark that morning to get 121 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:27.560 up there and start doing some hunting and doing We 122 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:29.720 needed to get to dead Man's to set up camp, 123 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:34.480 and so we were getting up there and we hunted, 124 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:40.040 set up camp, was there overnight, hunted that night that day, 125 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:43.079 and then camped out that night at dead Men's Lake, 126 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:46.199 and then got up went back up to Goat or 127 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:49.920 Goat Goat Mountain, which is an area that you could 128 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:54.160 really visually see your area okay a little better. So 129 00:06:54.160 --> 00:06:59.199 we were up there looking and the sky we saw 130 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:04.240 this guy walking down the horse trail. It's probably well 131 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:05.920 it was at the top of Goat Mountain, so it 132 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:08.600 was probably about three miles in from the trail head. 133 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:11.360 So we were right at the very peak right at 134 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:13.879 the top peak, and we see this guy walking towards 135 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:16.079 us and he's got a little rod and little fishing 136 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:18.600 rod and just looking like he's just going to be 137 00:07:18.639 --> 00:07:20.720 a light camper. So we walk up to him and 138 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:23.560 we're like hey, and he was like saw that we 139 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:26.560 were archery hunting, and we were just chatting back and forth, 140 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:29.360 and I said, hey, we're camping out down a dead 141 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:31.879 nuns if you guys, just letting you know, and he goes. 142 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:34.079 I said, there's nobody else down there. It's just my 143 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:37.560 son and I And he was like, oh, okay, So 144 00:07:37.720 --> 00:07:40.959 i'll see maybe tonight or something and we'll see if 145 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:44.160 we can meet up for dinner or whatever. Anyway, we 146 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:46.560 just chatted for a little bit and he said he 147 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:48.399 was going to stay there for a couple of days, 148 00:07:48.399 --> 00:07:50.160 like a few days. I'm not sure how many days, 149 00:07:50.160 --> 00:07:51.519 but he would just say he's going to be there. 150 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:54.839 So we hunted all that day and that night we 151 00:07:54.920 --> 00:07:58.800 came in to camp and I looked out and probably 152 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:03.399 about two hundred yards away was his camp. So there 153 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:06.680 was only him and then my son and I. So 154 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:08.399 my son and I were in our campsite and then 155 00:08:08.439 --> 00:08:10.879 he had his campsite probably close to two hundred yards 156 00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:16.000 away around this lake, and to figure out logistically, we 157 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:19.240 were closer to the main trail and he was like 158 00:08:19.439 --> 00:08:23.240 further away from the trail and he would have actually 159 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:25.680 had to walk past us if he was going to 160 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:30.519 come back out or anything if we were there. So anyway, 161 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:33.600 another day goes by, we're hunting and doing our thing, 162 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:37.240 and come back in really late. One night, it was 163 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:40.639 pretty late and we had it all day and come 164 00:08:40.720 --> 00:08:44.360 back to the tent and was fell asleep. 165 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:45.399 I don't know. 166 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:48.200 I'm guessing we probably fell asleep around eight or nine 167 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:56.919 and woke up at about nine, and it's probably about one. 168 00:08:57.120 --> 00:08:59.759 We woke up about one in the morning, and because 169 00:08:59.759 --> 00:09:01.080 I think I looked at my watch and it was 170 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:04.080 right at just about wanting and morning, and there was 171 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:09.279 the most god awful scream I'd ever heard, and it 172 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:13.399 was only probably about thirty thirty yards from us. It 173 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:18.120 was really close. And when I thought at first, I 174 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:20.399 was thinking, Okay, maybe this is just a cougar, Maybe 175 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:22.240 this is just a bear or something like that. But 176 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:26.320 the way that this thing made this sound, it didn't 177 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:29.240 sound like a cat, because a mount cat sounds more 178 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:34.440 like a woman screaming or whatever. This one sounded very guttural, 179 00:09:34.919 --> 00:09:39.600 and it was just it was a really long, long scream. 180 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:42.720 It felt like it lasted like five seconds every time 181 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:46.679 it would do it. And it did that a few times. 182 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:50.480 And because we were up there archery hunting, and I 183 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:53.440 was concerned. Just to be honest, I had packed a 184 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:57.440 small pistol on me just in case for safety of 185 00:09:57.559 --> 00:09:59.720 my son and I in case we ran across anything. 186 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:04.159 Wasn't expecting that and had pulled my pistol and was 187 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:07.240 just waiting. And I could hear this thing walking up 188 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:10.440 to our tent and it was walking around us, and 189 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:15.440 it didn't sound like a four legged animal at all. 190 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:18.360 And I even telling this story to give me chill 191 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:23.000 bumps right now. It was but it was screaming and yelling, 192 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:26.799 and it was terrifying. You always thinking you know what 193 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:28.759 you're going to do at that moment. But I honestly 194 00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:32.519 was freaked out, and I was trying to figure out 195 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:34.440 a way. My son and I were both looking at 196 00:10:34.480 --> 00:10:36.840 each other because now we're both awake, and he's scared 197 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:37.480 out of his mind. 198 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:39.200 I'm like, going, what is this? 199 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:42.320 And so I'm trying to figure out an exit way 200 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:46.240 to get out of a tent and shine some light 201 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:50.039 on whatever it is. But when it started walking around us, 202 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:52.440 I was like, okay, I'm not walking out there, and 203 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:58.000 so it came around and then walked back, and then 204 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:02.080 it more or less disappeared after that. But the screaming 205 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:04.840 and thing that this thing did was probably a good 206 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:10.759 fifteen seconds of it, maybe twenty seconds of yelling and screaming, 207 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:12.840 and had a really high pitch and then it went 208 00:11:12.879 --> 00:11:16.519 to a really low pitch and that's what was just 209 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:19.279 that was really what was so like. I could not 210 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:24.120 figure out what kind of animal this would actually sound like. Anyway, 211 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:26.200 we stayed in there and we couldn't sleep the rest 212 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:28.879 of the night. We were pretty much wide awake the 213 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:31.639 rest of the night, just waiting and listening for anything 214 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:37.679 to transpire. It did walk away, and so anyway, got 215 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:42.000 up that morning and walked outside the tent and I 216 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:44.720 looked over and the guy's tent that was two hundred 217 00:11:44.759 --> 00:11:47.879 yards away from us was gone. His pack and everything 218 00:11:47.960 --> 00:11:55.360 was gone. And so anyway, I was kind of like, Okay, 219 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:57.879 well that's weird. And I saw him the night before, 220 00:11:57.919 --> 00:12:01.600 I saw his camp down there, and now he's gone, 221 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:02.759 I'm like winning the world? 222 00:12:02.759 --> 00:12:03.440 Did he leave? 223 00:12:04.279 --> 00:12:08.000 And so anyway, we went ahead. We stayed down there. 224 00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:11.799 We actually stayed for another day, and we were pretty 225 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:14.000 nervous about staying, but we just did not know what 226 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:16.519 it was and we were just trying to figure it out. 227 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:16.879 Well. 228 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:20.399 Anyway, the next day we went out, we hunted all 229 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:24.039 day again, came back to camp and I'd asked my 230 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:25.799 son to go to the lake to get some water, 231 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:28.480 because we'd get water from the lake and boil it 232 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:31.159 over the campfire and that would be some of our 233 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:35.519 drinking water, first drinking water. So he went down and 234 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:39.279 he comes running back and he goes, Dad, there's something 235 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:42.480 by the lake and it was looking at me. And 236 00:12:42.519 --> 00:12:46.360 I go, maybe maybe it was just a barrack or something. 237 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:48.320 He goes, no doubt. He goes, this thing was looking 238 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:51.559 at me. It had a face. But he goes the 239 00:12:51.639 --> 00:12:53.679 closest thing I can make it out to be is 240 00:12:53.720 --> 00:12:56.559 it looked alien. But at the same time, I go, 241 00:12:56.799 --> 00:12:58.840 what did you see its body or what he was like? 242 00:12:59.080 --> 00:13:00.639 You know, I just saw his face and he was 243 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:03.799 looking at me. He was like behind a log or 244 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:07.320 a stomp, and I was like, yeah, okay, I think 245 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:12.080 we're about done. So we ended up packing our stuff 246 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:18.399 up and going ahead and heading back down. So anyway, 247 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:20.919 we come back home. We told some some of our 248 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:25.480 friends and family the story and they were just like, man, 249 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:27.799 you know, that sounds like a bigfoot thing. And I 250 00:13:27.960 --> 00:13:30.799 was I didn't know really what they were talking about. 251 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:34.320 I'd heard about bigfoot, but not really too much. It's 252 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:39.440 like I said, it's more the West. So I go 253 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:42.559 and I ended up running into my friend again, actually 254 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:47.559 to f forward a little bit. Three years go by, okay, 255 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:51.879 and I'm talking to the guy that he introduced me 256 00:13:51.960 --> 00:13:55.320 to place, the guy that flew, and he told me, 257 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:58.080 he goes, you need to be careful going up there 258 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:00.480 at certain times because you just don't know what you're 259 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:03.200 going to get into. We're just talking about safety and stuff, 260 00:14:04.120 --> 00:14:06.559 and I go, yeah, I said, I know. I said, 261 00:14:06.559 --> 00:14:08.840 I've already had that one incident happening. He was like, 262 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:11.200 what are you talking about? And I go, I thought 263 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:13.399 I told you that. He goes no, And so I 264 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:15.600 told him the story about what I just told right now, 265 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:20.440 and he goes, dude, I totally believe in the bigfoot stuff. 266 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:23.399 And I was like really, and he goes, yeah, and 267 00:14:23.440 --> 00:14:25.399 I said, I go, I don't know. I don't know 268 00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:29.159 what it was, but it was very terrifying and it 269 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:33.080 walked around us. It sounded upright, didn't sound like a 270 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:35.600 like a four legged creature or anything. 271 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:37.080 And I go, I don't know. 272 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:42.039 So he ends up jumping on the I gut bfro, 273 00:14:42.399 --> 00:14:47.799 I think, and he found the other guy's story in 274 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:50.360 our area. He was going on his computer and he 275 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:52.919 looked up the area that we hunt. He goes, hey, look, man, 276 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:56.399 there's another story up at dead Man's Lake. And I go, 277 00:14:56.559 --> 00:14:59.159 what there is? I said, He goes, yeah, that's right. 278 00:14:59.200 --> 00:15:02.240 He goes, dude, that's right where we camp. And I go, 279 00:15:02.840 --> 00:15:03.639 what is he saying? 280 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:04.600 What was the year? 281 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:06.360 And he goes, it happened in two thousand and four, 282 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:09.080 and I go, dude, that's when I was there. And 283 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:10.919 so he clicks on it and he was reading the 284 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:14.039 story and his side of the story. I haven't read 285 00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:16.480 this story in a long time, but his side of 286 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:18.919 the story was that he was going up there to 287 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:21.879 go fish and fish at dead Man's Lake and he 288 00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:25.600 ran into a father and son archery hunting. We discussed 289 00:15:25.720 --> 00:15:29.120 talking about meeting one another, and it was the date 290 00:15:29.159 --> 00:15:32.200 and everything like that was it. That was the story, 291 00:15:32.639 --> 00:15:36.080 and so that was the story from the guy that 292 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:38.000 actually was there also. 293 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:38.960 And so. 294 00:15:40.519 --> 00:15:46.159 Anyway that guy ended up according to what I if 295 00:15:46.200 --> 00:15:48.600 I remember correctly, because I haven't read this a long time, 296 00:15:49.159 --> 00:15:51.960 was that as soon as he heard that screaming and yelling, 297 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:53.960 he started packing his stuff and got out of there 298 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:57.519 right then. He must have left there in the dark. 299 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:01.879 And I'm telling you, this Six of the Woods is 300 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:03.840 pretty scary at night. If you're going to be up 301 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:07.720 there alone, and to pack out alone, he would have 302 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:10.360 had to have been really terrified to have done that. 303 00:16:10.799 --> 00:16:12.759 That's not something that you would just want to up 304 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:17.399 and do. It's a hard hike out of there. And 305 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:19.759 for him to get up at one or two in 306 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:22.720 the morning and to pack his stuff and leave before 307 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:25.759 daylight something spooked him as well, pretty bad. But the 308 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:28.480 difference was he was still probably a couple hundred yards 309 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:31.519 from it, and I was literally within feet of this thing. 310 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:34.679 And I guess according to that thing, if I remember correctly, 311 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:37.159 he said he knew that we were down there, I guess, 312 00:16:37.559 --> 00:16:42.440 but you know, he was getting out of there. So anyway, yeah, 313 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:45.679 that's more or less what happened. I don't know if 314 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:49.279 that's what my son actually saw at the lake, but 315 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:52.080 whatever it was hanging around us. 316 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:56.120 I did look up the report as we were talking 317 00:16:56.120 --> 00:16:58.960 about earlier today. The way that he talks in it, 318 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:05.039 he in this report the same thing you did, which is, oh, 319 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:08.759 the scream was predominantly a high pitch scream, but he 320 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:12.640 also knows a low toned vibe that seemed to be 321 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:14.039 part of the stream as well. 322 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:18.359 It did. It was weird. It was so weird. 323 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:21.519 It was extremely high, which at first made me think 324 00:17:21.519 --> 00:17:24.000 it was a cougar in the beginning, but then when 325 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:26.880 it went into this real low guttural, I was like, no, that's. 326 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:28.640 Not a cougar. That ain't no cougar. 327 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:32.960 But yeah, that's to me, that's what I was expecting. 328 00:17:33.079 --> 00:17:35.119 But you're right, it was really high and then it 329 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:36.000 went really low. 330 00:17:36.519 --> 00:17:41.839 So the other thing that he points out is that 331 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:45.640 it reminded him of a sound that he's heard Gibbons make, 332 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:46.880 which is interesting. 333 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:52.839 Oh okay, all right, so that's good. Yeah. 334 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:55.079 See, I'm kind of I'm kind of bignorant to a 335 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:57.279 lot of this stuff. Honestly, I hate to say that, 336 00:17:57.400 --> 00:18:00.440 but what you're hearing is straight up honest from me 337 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:04.160 on how this as far as what I know, that's 338 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:07.319 really I don't know the differences in the Bigfoot and 339 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:10.839 all that kind of stuff, but that's it. That is interesting. 340 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:13.160 Like I said, I haven't read that story since two 341 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:13.960 thousand and seven. 342 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:17.279 It might to check it out. 343 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:18.480 Yeah, okay. 344 00:18:19.279 --> 00:18:23.440 The other another interesting thing he says, this other witness, 345 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:25.559 is that he tried to get back into the area 346 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:28.640 later on, but it had been closed down by the 347 00:18:28.680 --> 00:18:33.119 Forest Service due to activity around Mount Saint Helens. 348 00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:36.440 Oh okay, so that's weird. 349 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:40.400 That's that is weird because I didn't see that while 350 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:43.160 we were there. I didn't see anything shut down. But see, 351 00:18:43.160 --> 00:18:47.720 we literally stayed there for an additional day, you know 352 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:49.599 what I mean. We were there for four days more 353 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:54.400 or less, and so by the time we were seeing 354 00:18:54.440 --> 00:18:57.240 these other things and something else seemed really weird, we 355 00:18:57.400 --> 00:19:00.519 just decided we needed to get out of there because 356 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:02.359 we were the only ones up there and if we 357 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:04.640 needed help, we would have been totally screwed. 358 00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:09.279 Absolutely, And you're so far out there, it's not going 359 00:19:09.359 --> 00:19:11.480 to be a good time. Did you hear any other 360 00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:15.000 animals or birds at the same time that you were 361 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:17.119 hearing these screams or was it just. 362 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:26.279 Pretty much nothing? Sorry? Hold on, I apologize. 363 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:30.880 The bluetooth keeps Let me see if I can The 364 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:34.960 bluetooth keeps having issues on this. It's very strange. Let 365 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:49.240 me see if I can reconnect. Hello, check check, Hello, 366 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:50.720 Hey Freddy. Sorry about that. 367 00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:52.759 I have no idea. 368 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:58.079 There we go, but it's gonna be fun. I just 369 00:19:58.079 --> 00:19:59.240 have a few more questions for you. 370 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:00.599 Sure, yeah, no, go ahead. 371 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:03.759 So the last question I'd asked was do you remember 372 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:07.039 hearing any sounds around the same time when you were 373 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:07.920 hearing the screaming. 374 00:20:09.079 --> 00:20:09.160 No? 375 00:20:09.319 --> 00:20:13.920 Absolutely not No. This area that we hunted in, it's 376 00:20:13.960 --> 00:20:17.720 a very dense fur tree area. These things are massive, 377 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:21.519 and it's not like a home to a lot of 378 00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:26.440 small animals. Like you don't see squirrels, You don't see 379 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:28.640 any of that stuff in there, And don't ask me why, 380 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:32.799 but there's just very low amount of wildlife in that 381 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:36.200 near that lake. The only thing I've ever heard down 382 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:39.359 there before, and that was probably maybe a year or 383 00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:42.000 two before that, was I have heard an owl in there. 384 00:20:43.759 --> 00:20:45.400 I was walking down the trail one night and I 385 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:48.279 was coming back at dark, and I heard an owl 386 00:20:48.559 --> 00:20:51.119 that was literally ten feet from me that hooted at me, 387 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:57.119 But there was a substantial difference between a scream and 388 00:20:57.200 --> 00:21:00.920 yell as opposed to a bird sound. Yeah, this was 389 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:03.960 no bird sound at all. I know that for a fact. 390 00:21:04.599 --> 00:21:05.240 Absolutely. 391 00:21:05.319 --> 00:21:09.160 You had mentioned the sighting that your son had, and 392 00:21:09.200 --> 00:21:12.359 I know you guys aren't researchers, but did you happen 393 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:15.279 to go down to that area to see if there 394 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:17.559 are tracts or after it happened, you're like, you know what, 395 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:18.920 let's get out. 396 00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:23.920 Yeah, so I did. When he come running out of 397 00:21:23.960 --> 00:21:26.960 the woods, I went more or less running towards him 398 00:21:27.039 --> 00:21:30.119 to see if everything was okay, and he was like that, 399 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:33.000 there's something over there looking at me. He goes, I'm 400 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:37.440 looking at its eyes. It's looking at me. And I 401 00:21:37.519 --> 00:21:39.960