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Speaker 2: I've got the privilege of talking to an individual. His
Speaker 2: name is Freddie. He's out there from the great state
Speaker 2: of Washington, and he had listened to one of my
Speaker 2: Packwood Washington episodes not too long ago, and then he
Speaker 2: heard how I was asking if anyone else had any
Speaker 2: encounters around that area, and so emailed me right after
Speaker 2: he listened to that episode. So, Freddie, it's a pleasure
Speaker 2: to have you on the show today.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Is there anything else that the listeners would need to
Speaker 2: know about your background before I have you go into
Speaker 2: your story of what you experienced out there in the woods.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Sure.
Speaker 4: I'm originally from down Southeast and I was born and
Speaker 4: raised down there in military and came up here and
Speaker 4: in i'd say probably late nineties was when I first
Speaker 4: moved up here, And to be honest with you, I
Speaker 4: really didn't know anything or that much about.
Speaker 3: Bigfoot stuff at all.
Speaker 4: It's a lot more prevalent up here and a lot
Speaker 4: more interested in that when all this came about with
Speaker 4: what happened with us, that was the I just didn't
Speaker 4: really know what I was actually seeing or experiencing or
Speaker 4: hearing anyway. Yeah, I've honestly, I've tried to keep this
Speaker 4: story to myself because the area was a hunting area
Speaker 4: and how it is with guys that don't want to
Speaker 4: give up their hunting areas and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: But this happened around two thousand and four. One of
Speaker 4: the reasons I'm okay with going ahead and talk about
Speaker 4: it is it's been twenty years and so this happened
Speaker 4: a while ago. But also another site that corroborates my
Speaker 4: story on this was actually had already been posted in
Speaker 4: the location and everything, so I'm going to go ahead
Speaker 4: and divulge some stuff that normally I wouldn't have done,
Speaker 4: but it's already out there, so I'm just it's okay
Speaker 4: to talk about it. I just wanted to share my
Speaker 4: experience about what happened with my son and I on
Speaker 4: this little adventure.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and Freddie, something I would request of you,
Speaker 2: just because I'm looking at a map, is if you
Speaker 2: could include what it took to actually get into this location,
Speaker 2: because it looks like it may have taken a little
Speaker 2: bit of work to get in there, but I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, you're exactly right. It's so this is an
Speaker 4: area that the area is called Go Mountain, and that
Speaker 4: area is mainly traveled by horse. It's a horse camp
Speaker 4: up above. And when you're coming into this area, you're
Speaker 4: entering it in through the Mount Saint Helens Area park area,
Speaker 4: but then you're going you're eventually making your way back
Speaker 4: over into the forested National forest Land, which is areas
Speaker 4: that you can hunt and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: So it's on the border.
Speaker 4: The first mountain you got to traverse up is really
Speaker 4: steep I'd say that's probably a good three and a
Speaker 4: half four miles straight up and then another three miles
Speaker 4: down to some lakes that you can get to as well.
Speaker 4: A lot of people go up there for hiking. People
Speaker 4: fish up there a little bit, so there is a
Speaker 4: little bit of trout fishing up there. And yeah, I
Speaker 4: would say in total, coming from the base of this
Speaker 4: mountainous area is to the actual end resort, which was
Speaker 4: where I was. We were camped out of a lake
Speaker 4: called dead Men's Lake. That's probably from the beginning of
Speaker 4: the trail head to that lake is probably around seven
Speaker 4: to seven and a half miles. I think it's about
Speaker 4: seven and a half miles. I think all I know
Speaker 4: is hiking it and going that steep in elevation. It
Speaker 4: definitely feels like a long way. It's a pretty good hike.
Speaker 4: So the first probably four miles is pretty hard just
Speaker 4: because it just going up switchbacks. And usually when I
Speaker 4: would go up there, because I used to go up
Speaker 4: there every year just about to hunt. We're carrying fifty
Speaker 4: sixty seventy pound packs just depending on how much stuff
Speaker 4: we needed to get up in that area. Because usually
Speaker 4: when I would hunt up there, we'd be up there
Speaker 4: for about five days five days to a week. It
Speaker 4: just depending on my work schedule and all that. But
Speaker 4: this particular year, my son and I he had just
Speaker 4: he was thirteen, getting ready to turn fourteen, and this
Speaker 4: was his first big, real big h with me. I'd
Speaker 4: been hunting up there. Oh yeah, let me explain that
Speaker 4: to you. I've been hunting that area since about two thousand.
Speaker 4: A friend of mine that he flew aircraft and stuff,
Speaker 4: he knew this area pretty well and basically introduced me
Speaker 4: to this area. And so I'd hunted that area for
Speaker 4: a few years prior to me taking my son up there.
Speaker 4: And I went up there during archery season. So this
Speaker 4: was around I'm guessing around September time frame two thousand
Speaker 4: and four. And like I said, my son was probably
Speaker 4: close to fourteen. I was around thirty two years of
Speaker 4: age at that time, and so a little more fit,
Speaker 4: a little more ragile to get up in these areas.
Speaker 4: And so anyway, we packed up down below at the
Speaker 4: trailhead where the horse camp one of the main start
Speaker 4: where people trader out their horses to go up the trailhead.
Speaker 4: We made like a base camp down there with a
Speaker 4: really little, tiny RV I just kept down there. We
Speaker 4: has a base camp, and then the plans was to
Speaker 4: set the satellite camp up above at dead Men's and
Speaker 4: just camp there, not really hunt there, but just camp
Speaker 4: there and then go out from there. Anyway, so we
Speaker 4: went up, we hiked up. It was like I said,
Speaker 4: like you said earlier, it is not an easy place
Speaker 4: to get to. We had to try to beat the
Speaker 4: horse of guys on horseback up there that morning. So
Speaker 4: we left out in the dark that morning to get
Speaker 4: up there and start doing some hunting and doing We
Speaker 4: needed to get to dead Man's to set up camp,
Speaker 4: and so we were getting up there and we hunted,
Speaker 4: set up camp, was there overnight, hunted that night that day,
Speaker 4: and then camped out that night at dead Men's Lake,
Speaker 4: and then got up went back up to Goat or
Speaker 4: Goat Goat Mountain, which is an area that you could
Speaker 4: really visually see your area okay a little better. So
Speaker 4: we were up there looking and the sky we saw
Speaker 4: this guy walking down the horse trail. It's probably well
Speaker 4: it was at the top of Goat Mountain, so it
Speaker 4: was probably about three miles in from the trail head.
Speaker 4: So we were right at the very peak right at
Speaker 4: the top peak, and we see this guy walking towards
Speaker 4: us and he's got a little rod and little fishing
Speaker 4: rod and just looking like he's just going to be
Speaker 4: a light camper. So we walk up to him and
Speaker 4: we're like hey, and he was like saw that we
Speaker 4: were archery hunting, and we were just chatting back and forth,
Speaker 4: and I said, hey, we're camping out down a dead
Speaker 4: nuns if you guys, just letting you know, and he goes.
Speaker 4: I said, there's nobody else down there. It's just my
Speaker 4: son and I And he was like, oh, okay, So
Speaker 4: i'll see maybe tonight or something and we'll see if
Speaker 4: we can meet up for dinner or whatever. Anyway, we
Speaker 4: just chatted for a little bit and he said he
Speaker 4: was going to stay there for a couple of days,
Speaker 4: like a few days. I'm not sure how many days,
Speaker 4: but he would just say he's going to be there.
Speaker 4: So we hunted all that day and that night we
Speaker 4: came in to camp and I looked out and probably
Speaker 4: about two hundred yards away was his camp. So there
Speaker 4: was only him and then my son and I. So
Speaker 4: my son and I were in our campsite and then
Speaker 4: he had his campsite probably close to two hundred yards
Speaker 4: away around this lake, and to figure out logistically, we
Speaker 4: were closer to the main trail and he was like
Speaker 4: further away from the trail and he would have actually
Speaker 4: had to walk past us if he was going to
Speaker 4: come back out or anything if we were there. So anyway,
Speaker 4: another day goes by, we're hunting and doing our thing,
Speaker 4: and come back in really late. One night, it was
Speaker 4: pretty late and we had it all day and come
Speaker 4: back to the tent and was fell asleep.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm guessing we probably fell asleep around eight or nine
Speaker 4: and woke up at about nine, and it's probably about one.
Speaker 4: We woke up about one in the morning, and because
Speaker 4: I think I looked at my watch and it was
Speaker 4: right at just about wanting and morning, and there was
Speaker 4: the most god awful scream I'd ever heard, and it
Speaker 4: was only probably about thirty thirty yards from us. It
Speaker 4: was really close. And when I thought at first, I
Speaker 4: was thinking, Okay, maybe this is just a cougar, Maybe
Speaker 4: this is just a bear or something like that. But
Speaker 4: the way that this thing made this sound, it didn't
Speaker 4: sound like a cat, because a mount cat sounds more
Speaker 4: like a woman screaming or whatever. This one sounded very guttural,
Speaker 4: and it was just it was a really long, long scream.
Speaker 4: It felt like it lasted like five seconds every time
Speaker 4: it would do it. And it did that a few times.
Speaker 4: And because we were up there archery hunting, and I
Speaker 4: was concerned. Just to be honest, I had packed a
Speaker 4: small pistol on me just in case for safety of
Speaker 4: my son and I in case we ran across anything.
Speaker 4: Wasn't expecting that and had pulled my pistol and was
Speaker 4: just waiting. And I could hear this thing walking up
Speaker 4: to our tent and it was walking around us, and
Speaker 4: it didn't sound like a four legged animal at all.
Speaker 4: And I even telling this story to give me chill
Speaker 4: bumps right now. It was but it was screaming and yelling,
Speaker 4: and it was terrifying. You always thinking you know what
Speaker 4: you're going to do at that moment. But I honestly
Speaker 4: was freaked out, and I was trying to figure out
Speaker 4: a way. My son and I were both looking at
Speaker 4: each other because now we're both awake, and he's scared
Speaker 4: out of his mind.
Speaker 3: I'm like, going, what is this?
Speaker 4: And so I'm trying to figure out an exit way
Speaker 4: to get out of a tent and shine some light
Speaker 4: on whatever it is. But when it started walking around us,
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, I'm not walking out there, and
Speaker 4: so it came around and then walked back, and then
Speaker 4: it more or less disappeared after that. But the screaming
Speaker 4: and thing that this thing did was probably a good
Speaker 4: fifteen seconds of it, maybe twenty seconds of yelling and screaming,
Speaker 4: and had a really high pitch and then it went
Speaker 4: to a really low pitch and that's what was just
Speaker 4: that was really what was so like. I could not
Speaker 4: figure out what kind of animal this would actually sound like. Anyway,
Speaker 4: we stayed in there and we couldn't sleep the rest
Speaker 4: of the night. We were pretty much wide awake the
Speaker 4: rest of the night, just waiting and listening for anything
Speaker 4: to transpire. It did walk away, and so anyway, got
Speaker 4: up that morning and walked outside the tent and I
Speaker 4: looked over and the guy's tent that was two hundred
Speaker 4: yards away from us was gone. His pack and everything
Speaker 4: was gone. And so anyway, I was kind of like, Okay,
Speaker 4: well that's weird. And I saw him the night before,
Speaker 4: I saw his camp down there, and now he's gone,
Speaker 4: I'm like winning the world?
Speaker 3: Did he leave?
Speaker 4: And so anyway, we went ahead. We stayed down there.
Speaker 4: We actually stayed for another day, and we were pretty
Speaker 4: nervous about staying, but we just did not know what
Speaker 4: it was and we were just trying to figure it out.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: Anyway, the next day we went out, we hunted all
Speaker 4: day again, came back to camp and I'd asked my
Speaker 4: son to go to the lake to get some water,
Speaker 4: because we'd get water from the lake and boil it
Speaker 4: over the campfire and that would be some of our
Speaker 4: drinking water, first drinking water. So he went down and
Speaker 4: he comes running back and he goes, Dad, there's something
Speaker 4: by the lake and it was looking at me. And
Speaker 4: I go, maybe maybe it was just a barrack or something.
Speaker 4: He goes, no doubt. He goes, this thing was looking
Speaker 4: at me. It had a face. But he goes the
Speaker 4: closest thing I can make it out to be is
Speaker 4: it looked alien. But at the same time, I go,
Speaker 4: what did you see its body or what he was like?
Speaker 4: You know, I just saw his face and he was
Speaker 4: looking at me. He was like behind a log or
Speaker 4: a stomp, and I was like, yeah, okay, I think
Speaker 4: we're about done. So we ended up packing our stuff
Speaker 4: up and going ahead and heading back down. So anyway,
Speaker 4: we come back home. We told some some of our
Speaker 4: friends and family the story and they were just like, man,
Speaker 4: you know, that sounds like a bigfoot thing. And I
Speaker 4: was I didn't know really what they were talking about.
Speaker 4: I'd heard about bigfoot, but not really too much. It's
Speaker 4: like I said, it's more the West. So I go
Speaker 4: and I ended up running into my friend again, actually
Speaker 4: to f forward a little bit. Three years go by, okay,
Speaker 4: and I'm talking to the guy that he introduced me
Speaker 4: to place, the guy that flew, and he told me,
Speaker 4: he goes, you need to be careful going up there
Speaker 4: at certain times because you just don't know what you're
Speaker 4: going to get into. We're just talking about safety and stuff,
Speaker 4: and I go, yeah, I said, I know. I said,
Speaker 4: I've already had that one incident happening. He was like,
Speaker 4: what are you talking about? And I go, I thought
Speaker 4: I told you that. He goes no, And so I
Speaker 4: told him the story about what I just told right now,
Speaker 4: and he goes, dude, I totally believe in the bigfoot stuff.
Speaker 4: And I was like really, and he goes, yeah, and
Speaker 4: I said, I go, I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 4: what it was, but it was very terrifying and it
Speaker 4: walked around us. It sounded upright, didn't sound like a
Speaker 4: like a four legged creature or anything.
Speaker 3: And I go, I don't know.
Speaker 4: So he ends up jumping on the I gut bfro,
Speaker 4: I think, and he found the other guy's story in
Speaker 4: our area. He was going on his computer and he
Speaker 4: looked up the area that we hunt. He goes, hey, look, man,
Speaker 4: there's another story up at dead Man's Lake. And I go,
Speaker 4: what there is? I said, He goes, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4: He goes, dude, that's right where we camp. And I go,
Speaker 4: what is he saying?
Speaker 3: What was the year?
Speaker 4: And he goes, it happened in two thousand and four,
Speaker 4: and I go, dude, that's when I was there. And
Speaker 4: so he clicks on it and he was reading the
Speaker 4: story and his side of the story. I haven't read
Speaker 4: this story in a long time, but his side of
Speaker 4: the story was that he was going up there to
Speaker 4: go fish and fish at dead Man's Lake and he
Speaker 4: ran into a father and son archery hunting. We discussed
Speaker 4: talking about meeting one another, and it was the date
Speaker 4: and everything like that was it. That was the story,
Speaker 4: and so that was the story from the guy that
Speaker 4: actually was there also.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 4: Anyway that guy ended up according to what I if
Speaker 4: I remember correctly, because I haven't read this a long time,
Speaker 4: was that as soon as he heard that screaming and yelling,
Speaker 4: he started packing his stuff and got out of there
Speaker 4: right then. He must have left there in the dark.
Speaker 4: And I'm telling you, this Six of the Woods is
Speaker 4: pretty scary at night. If you're going to be up
Speaker 4: there alone, and to pack out alone, he would have
Speaker 4: had to have been really terrified to have done that.
Speaker 4: That's not something that you would just want to up
Speaker 4: and do. It's a hard hike out of there. And
Speaker 4: for him to get up at one or two in
Speaker 4: the morning and to pack his stuff and leave before
Speaker 4: daylight something spooked him as well, pretty bad. But the
Speaker 4: difference was he was still probably a couple hundred yards
Speaker 4: from it, and I was literally within feet of this thing.
Speaker 4: And I guess according to that thing, if I remember correctly,
Speaker 4: he said he knew that we were down there, I guess,
Speaker 4: but you know, he was getting out of there. So anyway, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's more or less what happened. I don't know if
Speaker 4: that's what my son actually saw at the lake, but
Speaker 4: whatever it was hanging around us.
Speaker 2: I did look up the report as we were talking
Speaker 2: about earlier today. The way that he talks in it,
Speaker 2: he in this report the same thing you did, which is, oh,
Speaker 2: the scream was predominantly a high pitch scream, but he
Speaker 2: also knows a low toned vibe that seemed to be
Speaker 2: part of the stream as well.
Speaker 3: It did. It was weird. It was so weird.
Speaker 4: It was extremely high, which at first made me think
Speaker 4: it was a cougar in the beginning, but then when
Speaker 4: it went into this real low guttural, I was like, no, that's.
Speaker 3: Not a cougar. That ain't no cougar.
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's to me, that's what I was expecting.
Speaker 4: But you're right, it was really high and then it
Speaker 4: went really low.
Speaker 2: So the other thing that he points out is that
Speaker 2: it reminded him of a sound that he's heard Gibbons make,
Speaker 2: which is interesting.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, all right, so that's good. Yeah.
Speaker 4: See, I'm kind of I'm kind of bignorant to a
Speaker 4: lot of this stuff. Honestly, I hate to say that,
Speaker 4: but what you're hearing is straight up honest from me
Speaker 4: on how this as far as what I know, that's
Speaker 4: really I don't know the differences in the Bigfoot and
Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff, but that's it. That is interesting.
Speaker 4: Like I said, I haven't read that story since two
Speaker 4: thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: It might to check it out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: The other another interesting thing he says, this other witness,
Speaker 2: is that he tried to get back into the area
Speaker 2: later on, but it had been closed down by the
Speaker 2: Forest Service due to activity around Mount Saint Helens.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so that's weird.
Speaker 4: That's that is weird because I didn't see that while
Speaker 4: we were there. I didn't see anything shut down. But see,
Speaker 4: we literally stayed there for an additional day, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. We were there for four days more
Speaker 4: or less, and so by the time we were seeing
Speaker 4: these other things and something else seemed really weird, we
Speaker 4: just decided we needed to get out of there because
Speaker 4: we were the only ones up there and if we
Speaker 4: needed help, we would have been totally screwed.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you're so far out there, it's not going
Speaker 2: to be a good time. Did you hear any other
Speaker 2: animals or birds at the same time that you were
Speaker 2: hearing these screams or was it just.
Speaker 1: Pretty much nothing? Sorry? Hold on, I apologize.
Speaker 2: The bluetooth keeps Let me see if I can The
Speaker 2: bluetooth keeps having issues on this. It's very strange. Let
Speaker 2: me see if I can reconnect. Hello, check check, Hello,
Speaker 2: Hey Freddy. Sorry about that.
Speaker 1: I have no idea.
Speaker 2: There we go, but it's gonna be fun. I just
Speaker 2: have a few more questions for you.
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, no, go ahead.
Speaker 2: So the last question I'd asked was do you remember
Speaker 2: hearing any sounds around the same time when you were
Speaker 2: hearing the screaming.
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: Absolutely not No. This area that we hunted in, it's
Speaker 4: a very dense fur tree area. These things are massive,
Speaker 4: and it's not like a home to a lot of
Speaker 4: small animals. Like you don't see squirrels, You don't see
Speaker 4: any of that stuff in there, And don't ask me why,
Speaker 4: but there's just very low amount of wildlife in that
Speaker 4: near that lake. The only thing I've ever heard down
Speaker 4: there before, and that was probably maybe a year or
Speaker 4: two before that, was I have heard an owl in there.
Speaker 4: I was walking down the trail one night and I
Speaker 4: was coming back at dark, and I heard an owl
Speaker 4: that was literally ten feet from me that hooted at me,
Speaker 4: But there was a substantial difference between a scream and
Speaker 4: yell as opposed to a bird sound. Yeah, this was
Speaker 4: no bird sound at all. I know that for a fact.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: You had mentioned the sighting that your son had, and
Speaker 2: I know you guys aren't researchers, but did you happen
Speaker 2: to go down to that area to see if there
Speaker 2: are tracts or after it happened, you're like, you know what,
Speaker 2: let's get out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I did. When he come running out of
Speaker 4: the woods, I went more or less running towards him
Speaker 4: to see if everything was okay, and he was like that,
Speaker 4: there's something over there looking at me. He goes, I'm
Speaker 4: looking at its eyes. It's looking at me. And I
Speaker 4: went down there and I didn't see it, and he goes, Dad,
Speaker 4: it was just there, I'm telling you. And he wouldn't
Speaker 4: have made that up. He's not that kind of kid,
Speaker 4: not even from being scared from the other stuff. He
Speaker 4: just saw something and didn't know what it was. But no,
Speaker 4: when he told me that, I was spooked by then
Speaker 4: and was enough to go I don't want to camp
Speaker 4: out another night here and go through that again. We
Speaker 4: were going to We're going to go ahead and stay
Speaker 4: another following night, but I just was like, nah, I
Speaker 4: think we're just going to go ahead and head back.
Speaker 4: We're now up here alone by ourselves, and if in
Speaker 4: the event we didn't need help or anything, we would
Speaker 4: have been toast. I didn't want to endanger my son
Speaker 4: like that. It was bad enough being up there after
Speaker 4: that incident. But like I said, to be honest with you,
Speaker 4: I just was like, man, maybe there's another kind of
Speaker 4: an animal up here that I'm not aware of. But
Speaker 4: this thing does not sound like a cat, and it
Speaker 4: doesn't sound like a bear. I don't know what it is,
Speaker 4: but maybe there's just something I'm not aware of. And
Speaker 4: that's when, of course, later on people were like, shoot,
Speaker 4: that was probably a big foot, and I was just
Speaker 4: like what.
Speaker 3: So it was kind of like whoa.
Speaker 4: You know some of the things that people are talking
Speaker 4: about and saying, I wouldn't even tell some oh, that
Speaker 4: didn't happen to you, because now that I've had to
Speaker 4: happen to me, I would say, there's validity and everybody's
Speaker 4: experiences of what has happened to them on their own.
Speaker 4: But all I can tell you is what happened to
Speaker 4: me and my son and the third party that was there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that it was quite a few years ago. Over
Speaker 2: the years, have you looked to see if there's been
Speaker 2: other things that have happened in the same area or
Speaker 2: region that could be related to Bigfoot?
Speaker 4: Not, not really so much. I really I haven't hunted
Speaker 4: up there in several years, probably at least ten ten
Speaker 4: years or so, and not because I didn't want to
Speaker 4: because of that incident or anything. It was just like
Speaker 4: I said, I'm getting older now and it's just getting
Speaker 4: harder to hike into these areas. Like I said, they're
Speaker 4: a hard place to hike in. It's not too bad
Speaker 4: on a horseback or anything, but it's pretty steep terrain.
Speaker 4: I will say that there's been some weird things up
Speaker 4: there that we've gone into some areas hunting that was
Speaker 4: very in the thick, like areas that I couldn't even
Speaker 4: imagine people going into, And doesn't mean that they haven't.
Speaker 4: Hunters can be pretty resilient to get in and around
Speaker 4: certain areas, but we've been in some areas that were
Speaker 4: pretty pretty thick and I've just seen like skeletons of animals,
Speaker 4: whether it be bear, or cougar or whatever, or elk
Speaker 4: actually elk and deer, and they're placed in like weird
Speaker 4: patterns and stuff.
Speaker 3: I thought that was weird.
Speaker 4: I've ran across that a few times, and I'm just like, man,
Speaker 4: I would be really surprised if somebody's been through some
Speaker 4: of these areas. Doesn't mean it's not possible, but I've
Speaker 4: just seen some things that that was just really weird,
Speaker 4: Like why are these things stacked a certain way and
Speaker 4: done this way out literally in the middle of nowhere, And.
Speaker 2: So can you share what you mean by strange patterns
Speaker 2: of these skeletons.
Speaker 4: Or Yeah, they were like just the way they were
Speaker 4: placed out like it was almost like they were purposefully
Speaker 4: laid out in a way, not laid out in a
Speaker 4: way as if something died and got just decayed and
Speaker 4: went to the ground. You can tell what that looks like.
Speaker 4: This looked like the bones had been specifically like moved
Speaker 4: around in places and formed until not really a design
Speaker 4: or anything, but just organized.
Speaker 3: It was weird. I've seen that before.
Speaker 4: And I just was like, Man, is deep in the
Speaker 4: woods and it's thick of the woods that were in
Speaker 4: We would sometimes get caught up into areas that me personally,
Speaker 4: I didn't even mean to get into. Sometimes you just
Speaker 4: start hiking into areas to look for these little side
Speaker 4: elk trails and stuff, and next thing of your in,
Speaker 4: you're in an area that you're like, I got to
Speaker 4: get out of here, because I'm gonna have trouble getting
Speaker 4: out of here myself because a lot of those ravines
Speaker 4: and stuff are so steep and they're hard to get into.
Speaker 3: And when at that time I was in.
Speaker 4: Really good shape and I could hike and go up
Speaker 4: into these areas no problem. But when you see something
Speaker 4: like spread out and laid out, and I don't want
Speaker 4: to I don't know how i'd say a pattern. They
Speaker 4: just did not look like they died and naturally decayed
Speaker 4: right there. They It looked like it had died and
Speaker 4: then something came in and shuffled their bones into a
Speaker 4: pile kind of and it was just weird, very strange stuff.
Speaker 4: But so that, other than that, I haven't had too
Speaker 4: many other encounters up there. I've hunted up there for
Speaker 4: probably I must have hunted up there for probably ten
Speaker 4: years though, from two thousand all the way to twenty ten.
Speaker 4: And but I did select after that incident, though I did.
Speaker 4: I went up there. I was going to go up
Speaker 4: there with more people and also pick and choose my
Speaker 4: battles on making sure I had somebody with me or whatever,
Speaker 4: because I used to like to go up there by myself.
Speaker 4: But it's it was like, after that incident, I was,
Speaker 4: I probably am going to come up in this one
Speaker 4: of these days if I keep this.
Speaker 2: Up, Which is not funny at all, but it's funny
Speaker 2: that you had that maybe I should not do this.
Speaker 2: I actually had a similar thought out in the south
Speaker 2: of Oakrange when I went to a reservoir down there
Speaker 2: and I was having supper by the side of this lake,
Speaker 2: and I was like, you know what, this is how
Speaker 2: people disappear.
Speaker 1: Maybe you should not everybody.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it definitely makes us question our sanity what
Speaker 4: we want to try to do. But and all honesty,
Speaker 4: if I had even known about this bigfoot step at
Speaker 4: that time, it might have really made me think a
Speaker 4: little harder about it going up there and hunting as
Speaker 4: often as I did by myself. But because I've tracked
Speaker 4: cougar and stuff up there, I've been around them, I
Speaker 4: know more or less what I'm hearing and seeing up there.
Speaker 4: That night was something I've never heard in my life,
Speaker 4: and really, to I can't expand on that enough.
Speaker 3: It just it was.
Speaker 4: It definitely wasn't human, And to me, it missed the
Speaker 4: mark on cougar and bear, and those are really about
Speaker 4: the only other things that could be up there that
Speaker 4: could even remotely become close.
Speaker 2: But because you know what cougar sounds like, you know
Speaker 2: what a bear sounds like, and this was no bear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, this absolutely.
Speaker 2: Lastly, the name of that area is weird in itself.
Speaker 2: Do you know anything about the history of it Why
Speaker 2: it's called dead Man's Lake?
Speaker 4: I would only be speculating, but I had heard that
Speaker 4: it had something to do with when the volcano erupted.
Speaker 4: That one of the stories I heard was it launched
Speaker 4: a guy into that lake. Now whether or not that's
Speaker 4: true or not, I have no idea. That's just what
Speaker 4: I just heard, that it did have a bad ending
Speaker 4: from when the mountain erupted or something. But for all
Speaker 4: I know, that lake could have been named that before
Speaker 4: that time frame. Like I said, I'm not originally from
Speaker 4: up here. I've lived here since like ninety nine. But
Speaker 4: as far as the far back history of it, I
Speaker 4: couldn't tell you.
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating account and it is so unique because
Speaker 2: it has that report from the other individual's viewpoint to
Speaker 2: go along with it, which I'll have linked in the
Speaker 2: show notes and listeners. If you know the history of
Speaker 2: dead Man's Leg, feel free to put in the comments,
Speaker 2: or if or have had an encounter in this same
Speaker 2: area of dead Man's Leg, please share that as well.
Speaker 2: Or share it and also send me an email because
Speaker 2: that's how I keep track of stuff, and I'd love
Speaker 2: to talk to you. But Freddie, it has been just
Speaker 2: a privilege to have you on the show and for
Speaker 2: you to be able to share your story, and I
Speaker 2: appreciate you so much coming on.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: If there is anything else that you run into in
Speaker 2: the future, or you hear anything else, feel free to
Speaker 2: reach back out. I'd love to hear anything you run
Speaker 2: into up there, because I know the Bigfoot stuff is
Speaker 2: everywhere you turn.
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