WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.879 --> 00:00:06.160 Hudson River Radio dot com. 2 00:00:06.200 --> 00:00:11.519 This is Travis Walton and you are listening to UFO Headquarters, 3 00:00:15.359 --> 00:00:20.719 Beautiful Headquarters. 4 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:26.120 Welcome everybody to another wonderful edition of UFO Headquarters. Michael 5 00:00:26.120 --> 00:00:30.920 Warden and Linda Zimmerman bringing you nothing of the finest 6 00:00:30.960 --> 00:00:34.920 information and stories in ufology that you will ever hear. 7 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:37.960 And Linda's laughing at my intry. I always try to 8 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:42.159 you can't see us, which is probably good, but. 9 00:00:43.640 --> 00:00:45.799 Always trying to live up to your intros. 10 00:00:45.920 --> 00:00:46.200 Mike. 11 00:00:47.719 --> 00:00:51.640 As we were beginning the show tonight, beforehand we were 12 00:00:51.679 --> 00:00:54.560 just all of us talking, Linda, Bryan and myself and 13 00:00:55.320 --> 00:00:58.759 at the moment it's you know, the early December of 14 00:00:58.799 --> 00:01:01.920 twenty twenty four and where we are in the Tri 15 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:05.959 state area, close to New Jersey, there have been a 16 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:12.120 rash of drone sighting. I think twelve counties in County now, 17 00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:15.359 and I know we've all heard different different accounts of it. 18 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:20.640 There's videos online people are describing these car sized objects 19 00:01:21.599 --> 00:01:24.920 that don't sound like aircraft. You know, they're not loud 20 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:28.239 enough to be like an airplane, different colored lights. I 21 00:01:28.319 --> 00:01:30.560 think one report or two had a beam of light 22 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:34.159 coming out of it, so I don't know what's going 23 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:37.239 on in New Jersey and why, well. 24 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:39.560 No one ever knows what's going on in New Jersey. 25 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:42.439 But that's another podcasts. 26 00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:47.319 That it's true. But it's interesting because it's all of 27 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:50.159 a sudden, It's like it just took off and I 28 00:01:50.159 --> 00:01:52.879 hadn't heard anything about it until I popped on YouTube 29 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:55.079 a couple of days ago and it was like, what 30 00:01:55.079 --> 00:01:58.560 what drones? And then I started going down the rabbit 31 00:01:58.599 --> 00:02:01.799 hole and this picked up by a legitimate news organization. 32 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:06.120 So yeah, how they cannot know what they are is 33 00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:09.080 beyond me. And you said there was one with a 34 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:11.479 black Hawk helicopter nearby. 35 00:02:11.800 --> 00:02:13.439 One of the what was one of the reports? 36 00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:18.319 Yes, yeah, if they're not our military, knock one of 37 00:02:18.319 --> 00:02:20.759 them out of the sky and let's see what it is. 38 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:25.879 You know, it's uh, I certainly wouldn't want something the 39 00:02:25.919 --> 00:02:29.000 size of an f you an SUV hovering over my 40 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:34.360 house and having a malfunction. Something something's going on here. 41 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:34.639 Yeah. 42 00:02:34.639 --> 00:02:37.759 I know a lot of people posting videos and they're 43 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:42.000 they're big, they're flashing lights and they're all over the place, 44 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:43.680 so excuse. 45 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:46.479 And they're not the drones that people tend to think about. 46 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:48.719 You know that you're flying in your yard to. 47 00:02:48.759 --> 00:02:51.919 Oh yeah, the little one pound things you get for Christmas, 48 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:53.520 and uh, these. 49 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:56.840 Look like thousand, you know pound multi ton. 50 00:02:57.520 --> 00:02:58.159 Yeah. 51 00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:01.759 So maybe in ale of episodes we'll have more information 52 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:04.759 about that, or hopefully or we'll get it. We'll get 53 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:06.919 a knock on the door from the men in black. 54 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:08.280 Telling us. 55 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:10.199 You saw nothing. 56 00:03:11.599 --> 00:03:13.759 I agree with them, I saw nothing. 57 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:18.240 Well, I have something to I just want to give 58 00:03:18.280 --> 00:03:22.680 a shout out to Tony into Ireland. He sent a 59 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:27.280 very nice, uh message, and uh, I just want to 60 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:31.240 thank him. I really do appreciate we both do. People sending, 61 00:03:32.840 --> 00:03:36.680 you know, sending us emails telling us there they discovered 62 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:38.879 our show and now they're binging all of them. I 63 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:41.360 don't even know, Brian, do we have any idea how 64 00:03:41.400 --> 00:03:47.400 many we've done over the years. Yeah, dozens and dozens 65 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:48.400 and dozens. 66 00:03:48.479 --> 00:03:51.919 So, uh, we're more than happy to take the show 67 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:55.960 on the road to Ireland to someone's. 68 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:58.159 Okay, right, I mean, yeah, that. 69 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:02.360 Most beautiful places I've ever been to in the world. Yeah, 70 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:05.599 has that that ancient place called New Grange? 71 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:10.400 I believe, Oh, here we go, all right, Mike's been 72 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:13.879 to New Grange twice. I haven't been at all. 73 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:15.719 You have me beat though its. 74 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:21.560 Stonehenge, I do been there twice? All right, before this 75 00:04:21.759 --> 00:04:28.720 devolves into a fistfight, we are we are covering Christmas 76 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:34.560 UFOs tonight. I figured it was apropos for the holiday season. 77 00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:38.480 And you know, I always get these ideas and I'm thinking, 78 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:42.639 there's there going to be enough for an entire show, 79 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:45.959 and it always ends up being, well, how many can 80 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:49.240 I cut out? You know, what should I include? Because 81 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:56.519 there's just so many. So let's dive in. As some 82 00:04:56.600 --> 00:05:00.079 of you, hopefully many of you know, one of my 83 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:05.360 my specialties interests is the nineteen oh nine wave of 84 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:10.040 sightings in the Hudson Valley and the Northeast, the mysterious 85 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:16.639 airships they called them, And in the New York Press 86 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:24.120 newspaper December twenty seventh, nineteen oh nine, they had cartoons 87 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:28.000 making fun of all the recent airship sightings, like they 88 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:32.360 had Santa in a in a rickety little airplane with 89 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:34.720 a lantern in the front, and that was supposed to 90 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:39.800 explain the sightings of these craft. And aircraft didn't have 91 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:43.480 lights yet in nineteen oh nine. They could barely get 92 00:05:43.480 --> 00:05:48.360 themselves off the ground, let alone big lights. And the 93 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:51.399 batteries needed to run them. So I just want to 94 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:57.720 read something from the New Haven, Connecticut Palladium. It was 95 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:03.000 on the Christmas day just passed that New haveners witnessed 96 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:06.600 for the first time in their home city an exhibition 97 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:10.560 of the aeroplane, the invention of which was the real 98 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:15.120 conquest of the air. The mysterious heavier than air machine 99 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:20.199 circled the city during Christmas Day and at such a 100 00:06:20.360 --> 00:06:24.759 height that its real form, its pilot, and its mechanics 101 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:29.360 were not discernible. But was it was properly enough within 102 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:32.519 our vision to leave no doubt as to what the 103 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:37.240 stranger was, or so they thought. It circled the air 104 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:42.000 in a manner that is im impossible for a balloon 105 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:45.920 or a dirigible, and it was too large for any 106 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:51.319 of the now known feathered inhabitants of the globe. Don't 107 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:57.000 you love that? Could you not say birds feathered inhabitants 108 00:06:57.079 --> 00:07:00.399 of the globe? They must have gotten paid by the 109 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:04.560 word many as many of us, have seen the aeroplane 110 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:10.000 on exhibition in trial flights at low altitudes, But those 111 00:07:10.079 --> 00:07:15.040 who saw the mysterious Stranger of Christmas were treated to 112 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:19.720 the real thing. In air conquests it was a great 113 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:24.519 spectacle in the skies. It comes to earth and leaves 114 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:28.839 it in parts unknown to the public, and there we 115 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:31.959 go again. It takes off from we don't know where 116 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:37.279 it lands, we don't know where. It's very high, and 117 00:07:37.360 --> 00:07:43.680 I no, Orville right had set an altitude record the 118 00:07:43.839 --> 00:07:47.399 end of nineteen oh eight at three hundred and sixty 119 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:52.000 feet and he keeps talking how high this object was 120 00:07:52.480 --> 00:07:58.319 and the maneuvers it was making, and we just didn't 121 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:01.720 have aircraft that could do that at that point. 122 00:08:02.360 --> 00:08:05.600 No, And what was I remember we did an episode 123 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:09.639 where we talked about what the longest flight like around 124 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:11.560 that time had been up the Hudson River where they 125 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:14.480 had to have I think boats in the water because 126 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:17.319 I know how far that it would even make it, 127 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:22.759 let alone the altitude. So but it's interesting that they 128 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:25.839 didn't jump to the conclusion this was otherworldly. They just 129 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:29.959 simply jumped to a conclusion that, well, someone's obviously developed 130 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:33.440 the aeroplane in a much more advanced way than we're 131 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:33.879 used to it. 132 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:37.519 This is right the real conquest of the air. I'm 133 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:41.399 glad you picked that out because that's important because a 134 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:46.039 lot of the critics of the mysterious airship set. It's 135 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:50.840 mass hysteria, it's massive. No one was hysterical. They they 136 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:55.240 felt honored that, Wow, we're seeing some in great inventor 137 00:08:55.840 --> 00:09:00.720 with their great airplane. So I think we set a 138 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:07.600 precedent here going back to nineteen oh nine with Christmas sightings. 139 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:11.960 Why they chose, you know, this wasn't a faint light 140 00:09:12.039 --> 00:09:18.519 in the sky Christmas night, Christmas Day. It's flying around 141 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:25.279 and around New Haven making bizarre, you know, and inexplicable maneuvers. 142 00:09:25.399 --> 00:09:27.960 So I think I don't mean to interrupt you, but 143 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:32.159 I think people today it's so hard for us to 144 00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:37.759 comprehend the skies without moving lights, without satellites and airplanes 145 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:41.240 and everything else that we've put up there. We can't 146 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:45.559 imagine the time where that didn't exist. Yeah, but you know, 147 00:09:45.960 --> 00:09:48.240 just over one hundred years ago, that was the norm. 148 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:51.000 A little over one hundred years ago, you wouldn't look 149 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:53.879 up and see airplanes and the blinking of you know, 150 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:55.480 possibly the glimmer of a satellite. 151 00:09:55.519 --> 00:09:56.720 That stuff didn't exist. 152 00:09:57.200 --> 00:09:58.559 So yeah, that's a great point. 153 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:02.320 They were used to looking up at at a relatively 154 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:05.960 still or you know, quiet sky. I guess is what 155 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:07.080 I'm trying to think of here. 156 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:11.840 So, yes, we're only feathered inhabitants of the globe where 157 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:14.440 we're seen. 158 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:18.759 Definitely, they were, you know, poetic writers. 159 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:23.679 Yes, definitely. So I think we've established things were in 160 00:10:23.720 --> 00:10:27.279 the air on Christmas Day before we had things that 161 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:32.000 could be in the air on Christmas Day. So I 162 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:36.279 came across an article. Actually it was a I think 163 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:39.799 it was a show by the CBC, the Canadian Broadcast 164 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:44.879 Corporation and Chris Ratkowski, who's a very good Canadian researcher. 165 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:49.720 He had over the span of thirty he went through 166 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:55.000 cases spanning thirty years and found seventy five cases just 167 00:10:55.120 --> 00:11:00.679 on Christmas Day, which he thought was rather an annoys amount. 168 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:02.840 So I don't know what it is about Christmas Day. 169 00:11:04.440 --> 00:11:09.200 But there was one case in twenty seventeen, just northwest 170 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:14.480 of Montreal. A driver saw a light, he said, like 171 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:18.440 a photo flash, and the next thing he knows, there 172 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:23.000 is a triangle directly over his car. And this is 173 00:11:23.159 --> 00:11:28.440 very interesting, he said. He saw three turbines. He said, 174 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:32.120 I could see one of them very well and make 175 00:11:32.159 --> 00:11:38.000 out the turbines metal or steel spokes. Well, that's interesting, 176 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:42.360 some sort of propulsion it would make me think it 177 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:47.200 was military if you're seeing the spokes of a turbine. 178 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:51.240 But then he added, he looked in the rear view 179 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:57.080 mirror as it passed over him, and it was gone, Okay, 180 00:11:57.200 --> 00:12:03.559 how does that happen? Yeah, so maybe he saw something 181 00:12:04.120 --> 00:12:07.919 some features he interpreted as turbines. Maybe they really were. 182 00:12:08.279 --> 00:12:13.799 I don't know, But how does something disappear? So I 183 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:19.279 thought that was a good Christmas case. Then two thousand 184 00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:25.240 and eight in Chilliwack, British Columbia. It's an interesting name. 185 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:29.519 Someone was looking at something on Christmas Eve. It was 186 00:12:29.639 --> 00:12:33.200 kind of starl like moving from south to north, and 187 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:36.639 you think, all right, it's just a satellite, no big deal. 188 00:12:36.679 --> 00:12:41.399 I'm sure skies are very clear in Chilliwack, dark skies 189 00:12:42.279 --> 00:12:47.120 until it stops starts moving to the south again, making 190 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:53.120 loop the loop maneuvers. Not a satellite, I don't know. 191 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:55.799 Not a properly functioning one. 192 00:12:56.240 --> 00:13:01.600 No, yeah, you really don't want I want your satellites 193 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:05.720 doing loop the loops. That's Houston. We have a problem there, 194 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:08.200 all right. So I'm just going to go through a 195 00:13:08.200 --> 00:13:10.559 bunch of these. These are you know, so many of 196 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:16.519 these have different things to discuss. So I went to Newfork, 197 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:22.000 which if anybody's not familiar with, they have amazing database 198 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:26.600 and it is free. You can search by date, by 199 00:13:27.960 --> 00:13:32.879 shape of craft, by location. So I just started going 200 00:13:32.960 --> 00:13:37.639 through year after year, you know, December twenty fifth sightings, 201 00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:42.080 and there was an interesting one just last Christmas in 202 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:47.600 twenty twenty three in Marblehead, Massachusetts, or if you are 203 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:53.679 a local residence Marblehead, Marblehead, which is about sixteen miles 204 00:13:53.679 --> 00:13:57.840 away from Boston, and these people are on the beach. 205 00:13:57.919 --> 00:14:01.600 I guess they go to the beach. It's around dusk, 206 00:14:02.480 --> 00:14:06.120 and they had a running joke that damn it, I 207 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:09.279 never did see a UFO from this beach. I guess 208 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:13.000 they wanted to see something and it was just you know, 209 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:17.639 the running joke until five seconds later they said they 210 00:14:17.720 --> 00:14:24.159 saw a gray chevron like cloud formation over Boston Harbor. 211 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:28.559 And one of them is, will wait, what's that and 212 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:31.039 is it a cloud? It doesn't really look like I 213 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:34.879 said it's a cloud, but it's changing shape and it 214 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:38.799 seemed more to be an object with a haze around it. 215 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:45.240 We see this all the time. People report these objects 216 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:49.440 seem to travel in clouds, make their own clouds and 217 00:14:49.519 --> 00:14:52.639 get into them. Or come out of clouds, so or 218 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:56.200 at least a haze or a mist around the object. 219 00:14:57.879 --> 00:15:03.000 And it started zigzagging. Again, that's not a cloud. It 220 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:08.759 was vibrating, changing shape, stretched into a long cigar, flickered 221 00:15:08.840 --> 00:15:14.120 back to a chevron shape, collapsed to a dot, expanded 222 00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:19.360 out again, and they're like, okay, not a cloud. And 223 00:15:19.399 --> 00:15:22.799 they said it looked like it was trying to disappear, 224 00:15:23.559 --> 00:15:26.799 which it finally did when it collapsed to a dot 225 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:33.919 again and disappeared. So that's another fascinating characteristic we hear 226 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:38.679 sometimes these objects like shrink to a point and are gone, 227 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:44.039 like they're going into dimensional or going into some I 228 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:49.759 don't know, some field they've created to take off. I 229 00:15:49.799 --> 00:15:51.159 don't know how does that happen? 230 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:55.720 I magic. 231 00:15:57.360 --> 00:15:59.600 It just again, it adds layers to the mystery that 232 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:02.919 we we keep finding more and more of these types 233 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:05.639 of stories. Like you said, they just disappear into nothing. 234 00:16:05.919 --> 00:16:07.600 How yeah, and where they go? 235 00:16:08.039 --> 00:16:09.480 They got to go somewhere. 236 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:16.080 Apparently now they're going to New Jersey. But all right, 237 00:16:16.159 --> 00:16:20.519 so now speaking of New Jersey, also Christmas Day, well 238 00:16:20.559 --> 00:16:24.200 actually Christmas even New Jersey. So I'm kind of stretching 239 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:27.840 it a little. I thought Christmas Eve counted. So a 240 00:16:27.879 --> 00:16:33.879 woman in Long Branch, New Jersey, Cedar Avenue and intersection 241 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:36.960 of Cedar Avenue and Greens Avenue. I know a lot 242 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:39.919 of people like me like to go to the Google 243 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:43.600 Maps and see exactly where this was. She's walking her 244 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:49.320 dog about eight thirty pm. She sees two rectangular craft, 245 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:53.840 which are very rare. They're about thirty to fifty feet wide, 246 00:16:54.440 --> 00:16:59.080 about fifteen to thirty feet across, and only about five 247 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:02.639 hundred feet away. And I don't know how she estimated this, 248 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:05.640 but she said they were going four hundred miles per hour. 249 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:09.359 So I'm thinking something shoots you over you at four 250 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:13.920 hundred miles per hour, you probably not getting much of 251 00:17:13.960 --> 00:17:17.559 a look at it, except it went back and forth 252 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:23.319 over her four times, so right, that'll give you a 253 00:17:23.319 --> 00:17:26.559 pretty good look. So she said one of them had 254 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:31.079 three red lights, the other had two green lights. And 255 00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:33.920 this is where I really sat up and took notice. 256 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:40.079 She said they were not metallic. They looked seramic. And 257 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:43.480 I will get back to that in a minute, so 258 00:17:43.720 --> 00:17:47.880 just keep that in mind. They looked seramic. Said the 259 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:51.839 one with the red lights was in a straight was 260 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:56.039 moving in a straight line. Stopped on a dime for 261 00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:59.519 a few seconds, then shot off at an angle in 262 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:03.400 the oppoice the direction and the before the green one left, 263 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:07.480 they said it had green pulsating lights and was stationary 264 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:10.759 for a while, or she said for a while. So 265 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:17.680 very unusual too, ceramic looking rectangular craft going back and 266 00:18:17.720 --> 00:18:20.960 forth over her at high speed. It sounds to me 267 00:18:21.119 --> 00:18:22.559 like they wanted to be seen. 268 00:18:25.319 --> 00:18:30.759 And I mentioned the ceramic. Isn't that something that we 269 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:35.200 use tile wise on spacecraft tech them on re entry 270 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:41.000 into the Yeah, when you mentioned ceramic, and I'm thinking, 271 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:44.480 is it, you know, is it to protect the ship? 272 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:48.359 Is this a you know, intentionally built knowing that we 273 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:52.200 need to protect as we go through an atmosphere, for example, 274 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:53.960 we're going to experience heat. 275 00:18:54.039 --> 00:18:56.920 Maybe they maybe their technology. 276 00:18:56.440 --> 00:18:59.640 Is less advanced than somebody else's, but I think, you know, 277 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:03.440 the men I hurt ceramic like you know material. I 278 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:07.200 think that's very similar where we are using ceramic tile 279 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:10.720 type materials to protect our spacecraft on re entry. 280 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:16.440 So yeah, yep, yeah, And what the little red light 281 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:19.720 that went over my head with this one? As I 282 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:24.519 remembered in uh In my book, I wrote about a 283 00:19:24.599 --> 00:19:29.599 case from Wildwood, New Jersey. Also on the Jersey Shore 284 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:33.920 from two thousand and eight, where a man saw three 285 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:38.400 huge circular craft. He was sitting on the top of 286 00:19:38.440 --> 00:19:42.039 a hotel roof looking at the ocean across the street, 287 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:47.319 only five hundred feet away, and he described them as 288 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:55.240 not metallic. He said, like porcelain, like unglazed porcelain, which 289 00:19:55.279 --> 00:20:00.440 is a fancier way of saying ceramic. So here now 290 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:06.920 we have two cases on the Jersey Shore of ceramic 291 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:10.160 looking craft and one other thing I want to mention 292 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:12.839 about him that I'll get to in another case. As 293 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:17.960 he was looking at these objects, his eyes hurt horribly. 294 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:22.640 He said, they were just killing him looking at this object. 295 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:27.799 So store that away because that will come up very shortly. 296 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:32.519 But I think right now, maybe we will take our 297 00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:35.839 first break if we can do that and be right back. 298 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:46.240 Hudson River Radio dot com Hudson River Radio dot com 299 00:20:46.279 --> 00:20:53.440 a favorite among shut ins and dogs. 300 00:20:53.480 --> 00:21:02.599 So seramic type material on UFOs definitely an unusual detail 301 00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:04.640 that we do not normally see. 302 00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:05.519 Metality. 303 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:09.440 I'd like to hear from people if they have ceramic 304 00:21:09.680 --> 00:21:11.279 looking UFO cases. 305 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:15.680 Yeah, and that's a very specific description. Yes, is intriguing. 306 00:21:15.759 --> 00:21:19.200 That's somebody who's who's clearly made in this. I'd like, 307 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:21.720 like you said, I'd like to hear more about people 308 00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:23.640 that have seen something similar to that. 309 00:21:24.359 --> 00:21:28.039 Yeah, yeah, and you may have a point. It's it's 310 00:21:28.039 --> 00:21:33.079 a material for spacecraft, all right. So why don't we 311 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:38.359 go to Maze, Kansas? Do you think they grow corn 312 00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:41.960 in that area? By any chance? Am I just wild 313 00:21:42.039 --> 00:21:43.079 speculation there? 314 00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:46.359 I think you might be right about that. 315 00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:51.759 This is in twenty twenty, and it's between one hundred 316 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:58.119 and thirty fifth Street past High Highway ninety six. So 317 00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:01.000 if you're in that area or you want to look 318 00:22:01.039 --> 00:22:06.039 it up, you know exactly where it was. So here's 319 00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:10.440 the witness saying. Opened the living room curtains to see 320 00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:13.960 if the winter weather had started. We were expected to 321 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:18.599 have ice and wet, drizzly stuff. I noticed what I 322 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:22.440 thought was a plane west of my house. As it 323 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:25.640 started to come closer, I realized it was a ball 324 00:22:25.759 --> 00:22:29.559 of fire, almost in the shape of I kid you, 325 00:22:29.680 --> 00:22:34.119 not a sting ray, which again we hear a lot, 326 00:22:34.759 --> 00:22:39.480 especially in the eighties, stingray shaped craft. As it got 327 00:22:39.519 --> 00:22:43.480 to the actual city of Maize, it slowed down and 328 00:22:43.599 --> 00:22:48.640 descended to about thirty to fifty feet above tree level. 329 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:52.920 That's really low, and when I'm looking up it is 330 00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:57.640 just a fiery substance, no actual lights that I could tell, 331 00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:02.000 and no other material I could tell. It had no sound. 332 00:23:02.799 --> 00:23:05.359 I go to get my camera and as soon as 333 00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:09.720 I snap a photo, it's gone past my house. I 334 00:23:09.799 --> 00:23:12.480 run inside to tell my husband, who was asleep, and 335 00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:17.119 at that point I'm shaky and almost in tears. I 336 00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:20.000 calm down for a couple of seconds, decide to go 337 00:23:20.079 --> 00:23:23.920 look out my back window, which is facing east, and 338 00:23:24.039 --> 00:23:28.720 there it is, and coming towards it is an actual airplane. 339 00:23:29.519 --> 00:23:32.000 So I run and get my husband and tell him 340 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:35.519 to come see. But within the thirty to forty five 341 00:23:35.720 --> 00:23:39.319 seconds it took us to get there, it was gone 342 00:23:39.920 --> 00:23:45.759 and the plane was gone. My eyes hurt after seeing 343 00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:48.799 this thing, and they hurt for the rest of the 344 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:54.160 evening and into the next night. I'm still trying under 345 00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:59.480 understand the materials of its being and why slow down 346 00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:02.480 above my mind house until I try to get a picture. 347 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:05.640 A lot to unpack there. 348 00:24:05.680 --> 00:24:11.759 Right, Yeah, the I hurting part is interesting to mention 349 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:16.359 the whole description of this, you know, fiery object, but 350 00:24:16.480 --> 00:24:19.599 really no discernible material like. 351 00:24:19.599 --> 00:24:22.960 What was it and in the shape of a sting ray. 352 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:28.079 Right, and certainly's an implication that it was aware of her, 353 00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:31.920 like I let her, let her get her camera ready, 354 00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:34.000 and then boom, well you. 355 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:38.400 Know, yep, yep. So I thought that was a very 356 00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:41.200 and I liked I liked the way she described it, 357 00:24:41.559 --> 00:24:45.200 and particularly, you know, she's seeing an object and she's 358 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:49.880 at this point, I'm shaky and almost in tears. These 359 00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:52.079 are not Oh, I saw some lights in the sky. 360 00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:56.039 I wonder what this really affected her. You know, she 361 00:24:56.160 --> 00:25:00.480 got very emotional, probably a little scared. It's shakes you 362 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:04.200 up because you're seeing something that should not be there, 363 00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:09.279 that makes no sense in in our you know, supposedly 364 00:25:09.400 --> 00:25:16.839 practical world. So all right, so let's go to Stowmarket 365 00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:22.440 in Suffolk, United Kingdom. This is a This is uh 366 00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:27.039 to the Suffolk is to the northeast of London, not 367 00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:31.640 not too far. This is a short one, but it 368 00:25:31.799 --> 00:25:36.519 brought up something very interesting. While at work, I had 369 00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:41.279 gone outside and saw a triangular object move from left 370 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:47.039 of the horizon to the right, flying towards Bury, Saint Edmunds. 371 00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:51.079 Let me stop right there, yes Bury. I love the 372 00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:57.200 Brits and their their town names very subtle. Bury Saint Edmunds. 373 00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:00.960 That's because Saint Edmunds is very there. And for those 374 00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:04.240 who do not know who Saint Edmunds was, he was 375 00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:08.480 a Christian martyr. He was king of East Anglia and 376 00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:13.519 in eight sixty nine the Vikings attacked and he would 377 00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:18.519 not renounce Christianity. So they tied him to a tree, 378 00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:23.799 shot him full of arrows and beheaded him, because that's 379 00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:24.839 what Vikings did. 380 00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:27.480 Yeah, they had some anger issues. 381 00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:34.640 So he Edmund became Saint Edmund and they buried him 382 00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:38.000 there in the abbey. So all right, so I had 383 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:39.359 to get that, you know, I have to get the 384 00:26:39.519 --> 00:26:44.119 historical things out. So he sees this, this triangular craft 385 00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:49.200 flying towards Bury Saint Edmunds. Each corner had a solid 386 00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:51.920 white light. I wish I had a dollar for every 387 00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:54.319 time I've heard about a triangle with a white light 388 00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:58.720 in each corner. And there were multi colored flashing lights 389 00:26:58.759 --> 00:27:05.039 in between these corners, pulsating in sequence with each side. 390 00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:09.240 That must have been impressive. No noise. The lights were 391 00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:14.039 just below the cloud bed, so slightly illuminated the clouds. 392 00:27:15.079 --> 00:27:18.920 I got my colleague and she also witnessed it, but 393 00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:23.920 at a distance, so very I mean, if you had 394 00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:28.440 said this witness was in Poughkeepsie and saw it moving 395 00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:32.640 towards peak scale, it's it's just exactly what we would 396 00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:37.640 have seen, you know, here in the Hudson Valley, right yeah. 397 00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:42.119 So I said, you know, Barry said Edmunds rings a 398 00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:47.759 bell as some strangeness going on in that not that 399 00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:51.519 a lot of strange things don't happen in England. But 400 00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:55.559 I looked it up and on November twenty ninth, two 401 00:27:55.599 --> 00:27:59.640