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Speaker 3: Welcome everybody to another wonderful edition of UFO Headquarters. Michael
Speaker 3: Warden and Linda Zimmerman bringing you nothing of the finest
Speaker 3: information and stories in ufology that you will ever hear.
Speaker 3: And Linda's laughing at my intry. I always try to
Speaker 3: you can't see us, which is probably good, but.
Speaker 1: Always trying to live up to your intros.
Speaker 4: Mike.
Speaker 3: As we were beginning the show tonight, beforehand we were
Speaker 3: just all of us talking, Linda, Bryan and myself and
Speaker 3: at the moment it's you know, the early December of
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four and where we are in the Tri
Speaker 3: state area, close to New Jersey, there have been a
Speaker 3: rash of drone sighting. I think twelve counties in County now,
Speaker 3: and I know we've all heard different different accounts of it.
Speaker 3: There's videos online people are describing these car sized objects
Speaker 3: that don't sound like aircraft. You know, they're not loud
Speaker 3: enough to be like an airplane, different colored lights. I
Speaker 3: think one report or two had a beam of light
Speaker 3: coming out of it, so I don't know what's going
Speaker 3: on in New Jersey and why, well.
Speaker 1: No one ever knows what's going on in New Jersey.
Speaker 1: But that's another podcasts.
Speaker 3: That it's true. But it's interesting because it's all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, It's like it just took off and I
Speaker 3: hadn't heard anything about it until I popped on YouTube
Speaker 3: a couple of days ago and it was like, what
Speaker 3: what drones? And then I started going down the rabbit
Speaker 3: hole and this picked up by a legitimate news organization.
Speaker 1: So yeah, how they cannot know what they are is
Speaker 1: beyond me. And you said there was one with a
Speaker 1: black Hawk helicopter nearby.
Speaker 4: One of the what was one of the reports?
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, if they're not our military, knock one of
Speaker 1: them out of the sky and let's see what it is.
Speaker 1: You know, it's uh, I certainly wouldn't want something the
Speaker 1: size of an f you an SUV hovering over my
Speaker 1: house and having a malfunction. Something something's going on here.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people posting videos and they're
Speaker 1: they're big, they're flashing lights and they're all over the place,
Speaker 1: so excuse.
Speaker 3: And they're not the drones that people tend to think about.
Speaker 3: You know that you're flying in your yard to.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the little one pound things you get for Christmas,
Speaker 1: and uh, these.
Speaker 4: Look like thousand, you know pound multi ton.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So maybe in ale of episodes we'll have more information
Speaker 3: about that, or hopefully or we'll get it. We'll get
Speaker 3: a knock on the door from the men in black.
Speaker 4: Telling us.
Speaker 1: You saw nothing.
Speaker 4: I agree with them, I saw nothing.
Speaker 1: Well, I have something to I just want to give
Speaker 1: a shout out to Tony into Ireland. He sent a
Speaker 1: very nice, uh message, and uh, I just want to
Speaker 1: thank him. I really do appreciate we both do. People sending,
Speaker 1: you know, sending us emails telling us there they discovered
Speaker 1: our show and now they're binging all of them. I
Speaker 1: don't even know, Brian, do we have any idea how
Speaker 1: many we've done over the years. Yeah, dozens and dozens
Speaker 1: and dozens.
Speaker 3: So, uh, we're more than happy to take the show
Speaker 3: on the road to Ireland to someone's.
Speaker 1: Okay, right, I mean, yeah, that.
Speaker 3: Most beautiful places I've ever been to in the world. Yeah,
Speaker 3: has that that ancient place called New Grange?
Speaker 1: I believe, Oh, here we go, all right, Mike's been
Speaker 1: to New Grange twice. I haven't been at all.
Speaker 4: You have me beat though its.
Speaker 1: Stonehenge, I do been there twice? All right, before this
Speaker 1: devolves into a fistfight, we are we are covering Christmas
Speaker 1: UFOs tonight. I figured it was apropos for the holiday season.
Speaker 1: And you know, I always get these ideas and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: there's there going to be enough for an entire show,
Speaker 1: and it always ends up being, well, how many can
Speaker 1: I cut out? You know, what should I include? Because
Speaker 1: there's just so many. So let's dive in. As some
Speaker 1: of you, hopefully many of you know, one of my
Speaker 1: my specialties interests is the nineteen oh nine wave of
Speaker 1: sightings in the Hudson Valley and the Northeast, the mysterious
Speaker 1: airships they called them, And in the New York Press
Speaker 1: newspaper December twenty seventh, nineteen oh nine, they had cartoons
Speaker 1: making fun of all the recent airship sightings, like they
Speaker 1: had Santa in a in a rickety little airplane with
Speaker 1: a lantern in the front, and that was supposed to
Speaker 1: explain the sightings of these craft. And aircraft didn't have
Speaker 1: lights yet in nineteen oh nine. They could barely get
Speaker 1: themselves off the ground, let alone big lights. And the
Speaker 1: batteries needed to run them. So I just want to
Speaker 1: read something from the New Haven, Connecticut Palladium. It was
Speaker 1: on the Christmas day just passed that New haveners witnessed
Speaker 1: for the first time in their home city an exhibition
Speaker 1: of the aeroplane, the invention of which was the real
Speaker 1: conquest of the air. The mysterious heavier than air machine
Speaker 1: circled the city during Christmas Day and at such a
Speaker 1: height that its real form, its pilot, and its mechanics
Speaker 1: were not discernible. But was it was properly enough within
Speaker 1: our vision to leave no doubt as to what the
Speaker 1: stranger was, or so they thought. It circled the air
Speaker 1: in a manner that is im impossible for a balloon
Speaker 1: or a dirigible, and it was too large for any
Speaker 1: of the now known feathered inhabitants of the globe. Don't
Speaker 1: you love that? Could you not say birds feathered inhabitants
Speaker 1: of the globe? They must have gotten paid by the
Speaker 1: word many as many of us, have seen the aeroplane
Speaker 1: on exhibition in trial flights at low altitudes, But those
Speaker 1: who saw the mysterious Stranger of Christmas were treated to
Speaker 1: the real thing. In air conquests it was a great
Speaker 1: spectacle in the skies. It comes to earth and leaves
Speaker 1: it in parts unknown to the public, and there we
Speaker 1: go again. It takes off from we don't know where
Speaker 1: it lands, we don't know where. It's very high, and
Speaker 1: I no, Orville right had set an altitude record the
Speaker 1: end of nineteen oh eight at three hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: feet and he keeps talking how high this object was
Speaker 1: and the maneuvers it was making, and we just didn't
Speaker 1: have aircraft that could do that at that point.
Speaker 3: No, And what was I remember we did an episode
Speaker 3: where we talked about what the longest flight like around
Speaker 3: that time had been up the Hudson River where they
Speaker 3: had to have I think boats in the water because
Speaker 3: I know how far that it would even make it,
Speaker 3: let alone the altitude. So but it's interesting that they
Speaker 3: didn't jump to the conclusion this was otherworldly. They just
Speaker 3: simply jumped to a conclusion that, well, someone's obviously developed
Speaker 3: the aeroplane in a much more advanced way than we're
Speaker 3: used to it.
Speaker 1: This is right the real conquest of the air. I'm
Speaker 1: glad you picked that out because that's important because a
Speaker 1: lot of the critics of the mysterious airship set. It's
Speaker 1: mass hysteria, it's massive. No one was hysterical. They they
Speaker 1: felt honored that, Wow, we're seeing some in great inventor
Speaker 1: with their great airplane. So I think we set a
Speaker 1: precedent here going back to nineteen oh nine with Christmas sightings.
Speaker 1: Why they chose, you know, this wasn't a faint light
Speaker 1: in the sky Christmas night, Christmas Day. It's flying around
Speaker 1: and around New Haven making bizarre, you know, and inexplicable maneuvers.
Speaker 3: So I think I don't mean to interrupt you, but
Speaker 3: I think people today it's so hard for us to
Speaker 3: comprehend the skies without moving lights, without satellites and airplanes
Speaker 3: and everything else that we've put up there. We can't
Speaker 3: imagine the time where that didn't exist. Yeah, but you know,
Speaker 3: just over one hundred years ago, that was the norm.
Speaker 3: A little over one hundred years ago, you wouldn't look
Speaker 3: up and see airplanes and the blinking of you know,
Speaker 3: possibly the glimmer of a satellite.
Speaker 4: That stuff didn't exist.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 3: They were used to looking up at at a relatively
Speaker 3: still or you know, quiet sky. I guess is what
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of here.
Speaker 1: So, yes, we're only feathered inhabitants of the globe where
Speaker 1: we're seen.
Speaker 4: Definitely, they were, you know, poetic writers.
Speaker 1: Yes, definitely. So I think we've established things were in
Speaker 1: the air on Christmas Day before we had things that
Speaker 1: could be in the air on Christmas Day. So I
Speaker 1: came across an article. Actually it was a I think
Speaker 1: it was a show by the CBC, the Canadian Broadcast
Speaker 1: Corporation and Chris Ratkowski, who's a very good Canadian researcher.
Speaker 1: He had over the span of thirty he went through
Speaker 1: cases spanning thirty years and found seventy five cases just
Speaker 1: on Christmas Day, which he thought was rather an annoys amount.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what it is about Christmas Day.
Speaker 1: But there was one case in twenty seventeen, just northwest
Speaker 1: of Montreal. A driver saw a light, he said, like
Speaker 1: a photo flash, and the next thing he knows, there
Speaker 1: is a triangle directly over his car. And this is
Speaker 1: very interesting, he said. He saw three turbines. He said,
Speaker 1: I could see one of them very well and make
Speaker 1: out the turbines metal or steel spokes. Well, that's interesting,
Speaker 1: some sort of propulsion it would make me think it
Speaker 1: was military if you're seeing the spokes of a turbine.
Speaker 1: But then he added, he looked in the rear view
Speaker 1: mirror as it passed over him, and it was gone, Okay,
Speaker 1: how does that happen? Yeah, so maybe he saw something
Speaker 1: some features he interpreted as turbines. Maybe they really were.
Speaker 1: I don't know, But how does something disappear? So I
Speaker 1: thought that was a good Christmas case. Then two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight in Chilliwack, British Columbia. It's an interesting name.
Speaker 1: Someone was looking at something on Christmas Eve. It was
Speaker 1: kind of starl like moving from south to north, and
Speaker 1: you think, all right, it's just a satellite, no big deal.
Speaker 1: I'm sure skies are very clear in Chilliwack, dark skies
Speaker 1: until it stops starts moving to the south again, making
Speaker 1: loop the loop maneuvers. Not a satellite, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Not a properly functioning one.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, you really don't want I want your satellites
Speaker 1: doing loop the loops. That's Houston. We have a problem there,
Speaker 1: all right. So I'm just going to go through a
Speaker 1: bunch of these. These are you know, so many of
Speaker 1: these have different things to discuss. So I went to Newfork,
Speaker 1: which if anybody's not familiar with, they have amazing database
Speaker 1: and it is free. You can search by date, by
Speaker 1: shape of craft, by location. So I just started going
Speaker 1: through year after year, you know, December twenty fifth sightings,
Speaker 1: and there was an interesting one just last Christmas in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three in Marblehead, Massachusetts, or if you are
Speaker 1: a local residence Marblehead, Marblehead, which is about sixteen miles
Speaker 1: away from Boston, and these people are on the beach.
Speaker 1: I guess they go to the beach. It's around dusk,
Speaker 1: and they had a running joke that damn it, I
Speaker 1: never did see a UFO from this beach. I guess
Speaker 1: they wanted to see something and it was just you know,
Speaker 1: the running joke until five seconds later they said they
Speaker 1: saw a gray chevron like cloud formation over Boston Harbor.
Speaker 1: And one of them is, will wait, what's that and
Speaker 1: is it a cloud? It doesn't really look like I
Speaker 1: said it's a cloud, but it's changing shape and it
Speaker 1: seemed more to be an object with a haze around it.
Speaker 1: We see this all the time. People report these objects
Speaker 1: seem to travel in clouds, make their own clouds and
Speaker 1: get into them. Or come out of clouds, so or
Speaker 1: at least a haze or a mist around the object.
Speaker 1: And it started zigzagging. Again, that's not a cloud. It
Speaker 1: was vibrating, changing shape, stretched into a long cigar, flickered
Speaker 1: back to a chevron shape, collapsed to a dot, expanded
Speaker 1: out again, and they're like, okay, not a cloud. And
Speaker 1: they said it looked like it was trying to disappear,
Speaker 1: which it finally did when it collapsed to a dot
Speaker 1: again and disappeared. So that's another fascinating characteristic we hear
Speaker 1: sometimes these objects like shrink to a point and are gone,
Speaker 1: like they're going into dimensional or going into some I
Speaker 1: don't know, some field they've created to take off. I
Speaker 1: don't know how does that happen?
Speaker 4: I magic.
Speaker 3: It just again, it adds layers to the mystery that
Speaker 3: we we keep finding more and more of these types
Speaker 3: of stories. Like you said, they just disappear into nothing.
Speaker 3: How yeah, and where they go?
Speaker 4: They got to go somewhere.
Speaker 1: Apparently now they're going to New Jersey. But all right,
Speaker 1: so now speaking of New Jersey, also Christmas Day, well
Speaker 1: actually Christmas even New Jersey. So I'm kind of stretching
Speaker 1: it a little. I thought Christmas Eve counted. So a
Speaker 1: woman in Long Branch, New Jersey, Cedar Avenue and intersection
Speaker 1: of Cedar Avenue and Greens Avenue. I know a lot
Speaker 1: of people like me like to go to the Google
Speaker 1: Maps and see exactly where this was. She's walking her
Speaker 1: dog about eight thirty pm. She sees two rectangular craft,
Speaker 1: which are very rare. They're about thirty to fifty feet wide,
Speaker 1: about fifteen to thirty feet across, and only about five
Speaker 1: hundred feet away. And I don't know how she estimated this,
Speaker 1: but she said they were going four hundred miles per hour.
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking something shoots you over you at four
Speaker 1: hundred miles per hour, you probably not getting much of
Speaker 1: a look at it, except it went back and forth
Speaker 1: over her four times, so right, that'll give you a
Speaker 1: pretty good look. So she said one of them had
Speaker 1: three red lights, the other had two green lights. And
Speaker 1: this is where I really sat up and took notice.
Speaker 1: She said they were not metallic. They looked seramic. And
Speaker 1: I will get back to that in a minute, so
Speaker 1: just keep that in mind. They looked seramic. Said the
Speaker 1: one with the red lights was in a straight was
Speaker 1: moving in a straight line. Stopped on a dime for
Speaker 1: a few seconds, then shot off at an angle in
Speaker 1: the oppoice the direction and the before the green one left,
Speaker 1: they said it had green pulsating lights and was stationary
Speaker 1: for a while, or she said for a while. So
Speaker 1: very unusual too, ceramic looking rectangular craft going back and
Speaker 1: forth over her at high speed. It sounds to me
Speaker 1: like they wanted to be seen.
Speaker 3: And I mentioned the ceramic. Isn't that something that we
Speaker 3: use tile wise on spacecraft tech them on re entry
Speaker 3: into the Yeah, when you mentioned ceramic, and I'm thinking,
Speaker 3: is it, you know, is it to protect the ship?
Speaker 3: Is this a you know, intentionally built knowing that we
Speaker 3: need to protect as we go through an atmosphere, for example,
Speaker 3: we're going to experience heat.
Speaker 4: Maybe they maybe their technology.
Speaker 3: Is less advanced than somebody else's, but I think, you know,
Speaker 3: the men I hurt ceramic like you know material. I
Speaker 3: think that's very similar where we are using ceramic tile
Speaker 3: type materials to protect our spacecraft on re entry.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yep, yeah, And what the little red light
Speaker 1: that went over my head with this one? As I
Speaker 1: remembered in uh In my book, I wrote about a
Speaker 1: case from Wildwood, New Jersey. Also on the Jersey Shore
Speaker 1: from two thousand and eight, where a man saw three
Speaker 1: huge circular craft. He was sitting on the top of
Speaker 1: a hotel roof looking at the ocean across the street,
Speaker 1: only five hundred feet away, and he described them as
Speaker 1: not metallic. He said, like porcelain, like unglazed porcelain, which
Speaker 1: is a fancier way of saying ceramic. So here now
Speaker 1: we have two cases on the Jersey Shore of ceramic
Speaker 1: looking craft and one other thing I want to mention
Speaker 1: about him that I'll get to in another case. As
Speaker 1: he was looking at these objects, his eyes hurt horribly.
Speaker 1: He said, they were just killing him looking at this object.
Speaker 1: So store that away because that will come up very shortly.
Speaker 1: But I think right now, maybe we will take our
Speaker 1: first break if we can do that and be right back.
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Speaker 3: So seramic type material on UFOs definitely an unusual detail
Speaker 3: that we do not normally see.
Speaker 4: Metality.
Speaker 1: I'd like to hear from people if they have ceramic
Speaker 1: looking UFO cases.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's a very specific description. Yes, is intriguing.
Speaker 3: That's somebody who's who's clearly made in this. I'd like,
Speaker 3: like you said, I'd like to hear more about people
Speaker 3: that have seen something similar to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and you may have a point. It's it's
Speaker 1: a material for spacecraft, all right. So why don't we
Speaker 1: go to Maze, Kansas? Do you think they grow corn
Speaker 1: in that area? By any chance? Am I just wild
Speaker 1: speculation there?
Speaker 4: I think you might be right about that.
Speaker 1: This is in twenty twenty, and it's between one hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty fifth Street past High Highway ninety six. So
Speaker 1: if you're in that area or you want to look
Speaker 1: it up, you know exactly where it was. So here's
Speaker 1: the witness saying. Opened the living room curtains to see
Speaker 1: if the winter weather had started. We were expected to
Speaker 1: have ice and wet, drizzly stuff. I noticed what I
Speaker 1: thought was a plane west of my house. As it
Speaker 1: started to come closer, I realized it was a ball
Speaker 1: of fire, almost in the shape of I kid you,
Speaker 1: not a sting ray, which again we hear a lot,
Speaker 1: especially in the eighties, stingray shaped craft. As it got
Speaker 1: to the actual city of Maize, it slowed down and
Speaker 1: descended to about thirty to fifty feet above tree level.
Speaker 1: That's really low, and when I'm looking up it is
Speaker 1: just a fiery substance, no actual lights that I could tell,
Speaker 1: and no other material I could tell. It had no sound.
Speaker 1: I go to get my camera and as soon as
Speaker 1: I snap a photo, it's gone past my house. I
Speaker 1: run inside to tell my husband, who was asleep, and
Speaker 1: at that point I'm shaky and almost in tears. I
Speaker 1: calm down for a couple of seconds, decide to go
Speaker 1: look out my back window, which is facing east, and
Speaker 1: there it is, and coming towards it is an actual airplane.
Speaker 1: So I run and get my husband and tell him
Speaker 1: to come see. But within the thirty to forty five
Speaker 1: seconds it took us to get there, it was gone
Speaker 1: and the plane was gone. My eyes hurt after seeing
Speaker 1: this thing, and they hurt for the rest of the
Speaker 1: evening and into the next night. I'm still trying under
Speaker 1: understand the materials of its being and why slow down
Speaker 1: above my mind house until I try to get a picture.
Speaker 1: A lot to unpack there.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, the I hurting part is interesting to mention
Speaker 3: the whole description of this, you know, fiery object, but
Speaker 3: really no discernible material like.
Speaker 1: What was it and in the shape of a sting ray.
Speaker 3: Right, and certainly's an implication that it was aware of her,
Speaker 3: like I let her, let her get her camera ready,
Speaker 3: and then boom, well you.
Speaker 1: Know, yep, yep. So I thought that was a very
Speaker 1: and I liked I liked the way she described it,
Speaker 1: and particularly, you know, she's seeing an object and she's
Speaker 1: at this point, I'm shaky and almost in tears. These
Speaker 1: are not Oh, I saw some lights in the sky.
Speaker 1: I wonder what this really affected her. You know, she
Speaker 1: got very emotional, probably a little scared. It's shakes you
Speaker 1: up because you're seeing something that should not be there,
Speaker 1: that makes no sense in in our you know, supposedly
Speaker 1: practical world. So all right, so let's go to Stowmarket
Speaker 1: in Suffolk, United Kingdom. This is a This is uh
Speaker 1: to the Suffolk is to the northeast of London, not
Speaker 1: not too far. This is a short one, but it
Speaker 1: brought up something very interesting. While at work, I had
Speaker 1: gone outside and saw a triangular object move from left
Speaker 1: of the horizon to the right, flying towards Bury, Saint Edmunds.
Speaker 1: Let me stop right there, yes Bury. I love the
Speaker 1: Brits and their their town names very subtle. Bury Saint Edmunds.
Speaker 1: That's because Saint Edmunds is very there. And for those
Speaker 1: who do not know who Saint Edmunds was, he was
Speaker 1: a Christian martyr. He was king of East Anglia and
Speaker 1: in eight sixty nine the Vikings attacked and he would
Speaker 1: not renounce Christianity. So they tied him to a tree,
Speaker 1: shot him full of arrows and beheaded him, because that's
Speaker 1: what Vikings did.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they had some anger issues.
Speaker 1: So he Edmund became Saint Edmund and they buried him
Speaker 1: there in the abbey. So all right, so I had
Speaker 1: to get that, you know, I have to get the
Speaker 1: historical things out. So he sees this, this triangular craft
Speaker 1: flying towards Bury Saint Edmunds. Each corner had a solid
Speaker 1: white light. I wish I had a dollar for every
Speaker 1: time I've heard about a triangle with a white light
Speaker 1: in each corner. And there were multi colored flashing lights
Speaker 1: in between these corners, pulsating in sequence with each side.
Speaker 1: That must have been impressive. No noise. The lights were
Speaker 1: just below the cloud bed, so slightly illuminated the clouds.
Speaker 1: I got my colleague and she also witnessed it, but
Speaker 1: at a distance, so very I mean, if you had
Speaker 1: said this witness was in Poughkeepsie and saw it moving
Speaker 1: towards peak scale, it's it's just exactly what we would
Speaker 1: have seen, you know, here in the Hudson Valley, right yeah.
Speaker 1: So I said, you know, Barry said Edmunds rings a
Speaker 1: bell as some strangeness going on in that not that
Speaker 1: a lot of strange things don't happen in England. But
Speaker 1: I looked it up and on November twenty ninth, two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, so we're pre Christmas, but this is
Speaker 1: all in the area. Someone contacted the police that an
Speaker 1: object was hovering above the cathedral in Bury Saint Edmunds
Speaker 1: around ten pm. It was gray and was spinning in
Speaker 1: the sky round and round. Four or five other people
Speaker 1: were standing there with him seeing this. It traveled around
Speaker 1: the cathedral and then disappeared. And this sighting lasted ten
Speaker 1: to twelve minutes, so very yeah. He then saw a
Speaker 1: bright orange ball fly through the sky from Churchgate Street
Speaker 1: towards the churchyard. Orange orbs. Hear about them all the time.
Speaker 1: Somebody suggested that he may have mistaken lights at the
Speaker 1: near by Christmas fair. Ah, I don't know about that
Speaker 1: doesn't sound very likely.
Speaker 4: Oh, if you live there, you would know kind of
Speaker 4: what the Christmas fair looks like right now.
Speaker 1: I don't know that they have lights circling the you know,
Speaker 1: flying around the cathedral and taking off probably uh yeah.
Speaker 1: Police added that they did have a report of a
Speaker 1: large object in the sky for approximately ten to twelve
Speaker 1: minutes that looked like a UFO. So they apparently got
Speaker 1: a lot of call. So something was going on and
Speaker 1: very interesting. At the same time this UFO looking object
Speaker 1: was in the sky, they had the town had not
Speaker 1: one but two power outages, okay, electromagnetic interference. And somebody
Speaker 1: on the cathedral staff saw the craft and she said,
Speaker 1: you know, and she mentions the power cuts as well,
Speaker 1: and staff meeting they were talking about, gee, we saw
Speaker 1: this object the power cuts. Could it Could it be related?
Speaker 1: I would say yes. So then this was following several
Speaker 1: months earlier, in September there were UFOs a spinning, an
Speaker 1: object spinning and tilting right above houses, an object that
Speaker 1: appeared to change color. Then we fast forward to December
Speaker 1: eleventh and it there was an article UFO fever is
Speaker 1: taking hold and bury Saint Edmunds as tales of mysterious
Speaker 1: flashing lights over Suffolx's mother church abound. Another woman by
Speaker 1: the name of Carol Marsh, who lived said in the
Speaker 1: shadow of Saint Edmundsbury Cathedral, said that she and a
Speaker 1: group of friends were entranced they saw on that November
Speaker 1: twenty ninth lat lights traveling through the sky around the
Speaker 1: church and it just goes on. So this was this
Speaker 1: wave of sightings for months and months and months, culminating
Speaker 1: at Christmas. This one woman said the lights were low
Speaker 1: in the sky, very bright and seemed to be revolving.
Speaker 1: It was totally noiseless and for forty five seconds it
Speaker 1: lit up the sky. It was just an incredible It
Speaker 1: was just incredible, an amazing thing going on the sky
Speaker 1: outside my house. The amber lights were almost like they
Speaker 1: were being fired up into the sky. So one last
Speaker 1: thing I want to mention to this. And I know
Speaker 1: I get a lot of questions about lay lines, which
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be lines event and apparently, well there
Speaker 1: are a lot of UFO sightings along the life and
Speaker 1: there happens to be apparently a prominent lay line from
Speaker 1: Bury Saint Edmunds down to Avebury, which I know you've
Speaker 1: been to in Wiltshire. So this lay line goes from
Speaker 1: Abury up to Bury Saint Edmunds and passes through sites
Speaker 1: like Silbury Hill and West Kennett Long Barrow, all amazing
Speaker 1: megalithic sites. It's very interesting, so many prominent sites along
Speaker 1: this line. Maybe because people in ancient times felt some
Speaker 1: sort of special the energy along those areas, but I
Speaker 1: don't think it's a coincidence that these sites are all
Speaker 1: along the lay line and these sites also have UFO activity.
Speaker 1: So another another field trip.
Speaker 4: Mike, listen.
Speaker 3: I'm up to go anywhere anytime. I just need the funds.
Speaker 1: That's all. That's all. So why don't we take our
Speaker 1: second break here and we'll come back with a few
Speaker 1: more Christmas UFO stories.
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Speaker 4: And we are back. And you know you mentioned Avebury.
Speaker 3: And the most fascinating thing I think about Avebury is
Speaker 3: the sheer size that essentially there's a town built into it.
Speaker 3: At this point. The town just sort of grew around
Speaker 3: this huge structure. I mean, just absolutely amazing. It's almost
Speaker 3: impossible to take in when you're standing.
Speaker 1: There, and the stones are enormous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, So you know, maybe there was a reason
Speaker 3: people built these you know, prominent locations, these ancient sites
Speaker 3: along certain lines, these lay lines. Yeah, they maybe they
Speaker 3: could pick up an electromagnetic field or energy that that
Speaker 3: we can't today.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember reading it was actually, uh in some scientific
Speaker 1: journal talking about how before we started living indoors all
Speaker 1: the time and surrounding ourselves with cell phones and routers
Speaker 1: and television, you know, electrical emf all around people, indigenous
Speaker 1: peoples around the world were much more sensitive to the
Speaker 1: Earth and its magnetic fields and everything else.
Speaker 3: And there's animals that still to this day are like
Speaker 3: the Arctic fox, right so that they actually will spin
Speaker 3: their body when they pounce to face a certain direction.
Speaker 3: I think it's northerly because they have some inner ability
Speaker 3: to pick up on that magnetic field.
Speaker 1: Yeah, magneto reception.
Speaker 4: And it's possible.
Speaker 3: It's it's not a you know, a physiological impossibility that
Speaker 3: people could have had that.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sure we did, and I'm sure some people
Speaker 1: still have it, but you know, use it or lose it,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, all right, So we have one
Speaker 1: more London UK. One in London nineteen ninety six, about
Speaker 1: seven pm Christmas night, a husband and wife saw three
Speaker 1: round white lights, like small moons, in a fixed triangle configuration.
Speaker 1: But they they said, it didn't appear to be craft.
Speaker 1: They're just seeing these three lights locked in position with
Speaker 1: one another. They turned together around a central point between
Speaker 1: the three of them, not on their axis. Hear this
Speaker 1: all the time with lights with triangles that people would
Speaker 1: describe it as like a record spinning on a turntable.
Speaker 1: They made about a half a turn clockwise and then
Speaker 1: back again over the span of six or seven seconds.
Speaker 1: This must have been They must have just been in
Speaker 1: awe watching this. The three of them then moved quite
Speaker 1: quickly in a second or two to the center to
Speaker 1: form a circle of white lights. So what is going on?
Speaker 1: I mean again, they're not being shy. They want to
Speaker 1: be seen. After a few moments they did disappeared. These
Speaker 1: were not moving across the sky. The sky was crystal clear,
Speaker 1: and the person who reported this, I do not know
Speaker 1: if there is any rational explanation for this. What is
Speaker 1: no Alex, I really it's you know, I'm trying. I've
Speaker 1: read this over several times and I'm trying to picture
Speaker 1: so they are these lights. They're basically spinning back and
Speaker 1: forth and just doing things that conventional aircraft would have
Speaker 1: no reason to do, particularly in nineteen ninety six. I
Speaker 1: don't think we're blaming big drones for that.
Speaker 3: And I think it's interesting. Like you mentioned it, it's
Speaker 3: like it wanted attention. M This wasn't something trying to
Speaker 3: be discreet. This is something that wanted people to look.
Speaker 1: Up and right it right and put on quite a
Speaker 1: show for the about approximately two minutes. That's a long time,
Speaker 1: you know, that would be something to see for five
Speaker 1: or ten seconds, but two minutes of that. So that's
Speaker 1: a Christmas they'll never forget. No, So what have you
Speaker 1: got for us now?
Speaker 3: So I've got some two a couple of interesting ones here.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go with the shorter one first. Out
Speaker 3: of Ridgefield, Connecticut and Christmas Day, nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 4: I remember it like it was yesterday actually.
Speaker 3: So we have witnesses a male who's eighteen years old,
Speaker 3: we have a female who's fourteen, sitting on a window
Speaker 3: bench with their my seat back to the window, and
Speaker 3: felt a strange sensation like a light was shining in
Speaker 3: on me. I turned around and witnessed the UFO. The
Speaker 3: person I was speaking to saw my face and knew
Speaker 3: something was strange. I said, look outside, what is that?
Speaker 3: She was in shock also. We both became pretty excited.
Speaker 3: We just could not explain the object. We both got
Speaker 3: up and ran down the stairs and opened the front
Speaker 3: doors and out into the yard. That's what it became
Speaker 3: kind of scary. This thing didn't go away, and it
Speaker 3: was really there. It was massive, hovering about one hundred
Speaker 3: to two hundred feet above our front yard. It was
Speaker 3: a circular object on its side, just sitting in the sky.
Speaker 3: There was a pulsating glow around the edge of the object.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was lights or just energy,
Speaker 3: but it was amazing to me because for such a
Speaker 3: huge object, there was almost no sound. The only sound
Speaker 3: was a humming pattern, but not anything I have heard before,
Speaker 3: Like it was in your body. The time becomes hard
Speaker 3: to explain when you're agentaline kicks in. But when we
Speaker 3: both looked at each other and knew it wasn't going away,
Speaker 3: we yelled for our family to come and witness it. Also,
Speaker 3: when the family got to the front door, this massive
Speaker 3: object created a cloud and slowly rolled behind it.
Speaker 4: Never to be seen again.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, that is fat. I mean there's so much
Speaker 1: going on here. The thing that really stands that hum
Speaker 1: that you're not sure if you're hearing it or just
Speaker 1: feeling it in your body some sort of vibration.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that, you know, you can almost you can
Speaker 3: almost imagine what that feels like without having felt it.
Speaker 4: And to see something sitting just in the.
Speaker 1: Sky and on its a circular craft sideway you know,
Speaker 1: up and down right, not sitting there like a disc.
Speaker 4: Right, like a wheel, yeah, wheel.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just and I just thought it was
Speaker 3: in that, you know, they don't seem to be afraid,
Speaker 3: and that they were willing to get their family there.
Speaker 3: You know, we see people reactions are very very different.
Speaker 3: Either they're fascinated and moved and life altering or they're
Speaker 3: terrified traumatic.
Speaker 4: In life altering.
Speaker 1: Yeah right right.
Speaker 3: In this case here, it's like these they notice it
Speaker 3: and have the wherewithal the say hey come look at this,
Speaker 3: and again it's almost as if it's aware. It just
Speaker 3: kind of roll behind this cloud. I can picture that
Speaker 3: in my head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it created created a cloud, just what we were
Speaker 1: saying before up in Marblehead, Massachusetts. Yeah, creates a cloud
Speaker 1: and nothing to see here anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so what is it doing? Is it
Speaker 3: leaving to another dimension? You know, who knows? We could speculate,
Speaker 3: I guess all day on things like that, but I
Speaker 3: just description is great. They didn't over detail it. They
Speaker 3: really just think they hit the heart of what they
Speaker 3: saw and you really can can see it.
Speaker 4: Through their eyes.
Speaker 3: And that that ending with creating a cloud and just
Speaker 3: sort of rolling behind it. I mean to me, that
Speaker 3: would be the scariest part, Like, where's it If they
Speaker 3: can do that?
Speaker 4: What else?
Speaker 1: That's right? That's right? Yeah, that is a that is
Speaker 1: a terrific one. And of course, uh Ridgefield. I did
Speaker 1: a talk for the Danberry Library a couple months ago.
Speaker 1: I called it the Danbury Triangle, kind of a play
Speaker 1: on words. Not only all the triangles seen there, but
Speaker 1: there was if you did a thing from Danberry to Brewster,
Speaker 1: New York to Ridgefield, Connecticut, it was like that triangular
Speaker 1: area roughly triangular area had a mass of sightings. And
Speaker 1: this I wish I had known about this case when
Speaker 1: I gave gave that talk, because that is a terrific one.
Speaker 1: So that was a real concentration in the eighties of sightings,
Speaker 1: and this is definitely one of one of the better ones.
Speaker 1: So you've got one more for us.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 3: We're going to go to some place a little bit warmer.
Speaker 3: Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, December twenty fifth, Christmas, Dick, it's
Speaker 3: actually Christmas night at this point, nine thirty at night,
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy eight. For the record, I probably believed in
Speaker 3: Santa Claus in nineteen.
Speaker 1: Seventy Wait a minute, what do you mean He's not real?
Speaker 4: Or I was just learning the sad truth? But he
Speaker 4: is real. Kids, We're kidding.
Speaker 3: But and this is a very detailed account, so I
Speaker 3: hope everybody bear with us here well. Camping approximately six
Speaker 3: miles east of Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, on December twenty fifth,
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy eight, I witnessed a phenomenon at nine thirty
Speaker 3: pm Pacific Standard time. Looking north, I saw a very
Speaker 3: large glow, perhaps two thousand feet above the mountains. These
Speaker 3: mountains were less than two miles away, and my very
Speaker 3: first instinctive thought was that a seven forty seven had exploded.
Speaker 3: In a few seconds, I realized I was doing something
Speaker 3: very extraordinary and tried to absorb details while yelling to
Speaker 3: other campers to wake up and see what I was watching.
Speaker 3: A friend's sister and mother emerged and immediately pushed the
Speaker 3: children back into the VW bus they were camping in.
Speaker 3: One of them exclaimed it was a flying saucer, a
Speaker 3: thought I hadn't permitted myself to have. The large orange
Speaker 3: glow must have been between one hundred to three hundred
Speaker 3: feet in length within the elliptical glow, or two smaller ellipses,
Speaker 3: perhaps one third of the way in from each side,
Speaker 3: which were brighter glows within the large orange glow and
Speaker 3: close to the color of a white fluorescent light. One
Speaker 3: of the two women with me said there were two saucers,
Speaker 3: but I felt and still feel, there was only one
Speaker 3: huge structure because the two brighter glows within the large
Speaker 3: glow stayed perfectly parallel to each other. As the large
Speaker 3: glow descended to my left at about a thirty five
Speaker 3: degree angle, I viewed this descent for about forty five
Speaker 3: seconds to a minute and a half. The glow disappeared
Speaker 3: behind a huge rock called Cabo falso about three quarters
Speaker 3: of a mile away. As the glow came closer to
Speaker 3: the top, of Cabo flosso Falso, the brightness began to fade,
Speaker 3: almost as if it were burning out. There were no sparks,
Speaker 3: but the extremely bright glow grew much dimmer as it
Speaker 3: got close to the sea. Next day I went to
Speaker 3: Cabo to find out if anyone else saw this light.
Speaker 3: I talked with five or six others who had seen
Speaker 3: it from an outdoor beach bar, and they said the
Speaker 3: glow went into the ocean, like myself, they were teachers
Speaker 3: enjoying a Christmas vacation. The next year, I spoke with
Speaker 3: a lady named Elsa who was married to Harvey, a
Speaker 3: couple week camped with for about ten years. She told
Speaker 3: me that Harvey would not permit her to talk about it,
Speaker 3: but she had seen a large saucer hovering over brush
Speaker 3: not too far from where she camped. The saucer then
Speaker 3: flew above the mountains where I first saw it. The
Speaker 3: next morning, Elsa told me she examined the nearby brush
Speaker 3: and it had been burned a brown color by the saucer.
Speaker 3: Elsa and Harvey have both passed away. They were in
Speaker 3: their seventies. In nineteen seven of the eighth I recall
Speaker 3: trying to listen if I could hear this glow, but
Speaker 3: the only identifiable sound was hundreds of coyotes howling from
Speaker 3: a mile or more away and beneath the glow. There
Speaker 3: was nothing surreal about the experience. It seemed natural. I
Speaker 3: thought at the time that all you had to do
Speaker 3: to see things like this is to spend a lot
Speaker 3: of time outdoors at night. I have seen strange lights
Speaker 3: on occasions since, but there have always been twenty or
Speaker 3: thirty miles away and not identifiable. The experience was the
Speaker 3: most memorable one of my life.
Speaker 4: Fantastic account.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is. I don't know where to start on
Speaker 1: this one course, you know, coyotes howling like crazy animal reactions.
Speaker 1: They were obviously, you know, upset by this, and the
Speaker 1: fact that it went into the ocean again, things coming
Speaker 1: in and out of water. Yes, yeah, just just tremendous.
Speaker 1: The way he explains this, this glow and you know,
Speaker 1: the one person thinking it's two separate craft, he's just
Speaker 1: thinking they're brighter features on the one craft. I mean,
Speaker 1: really paid attention to this.
Speaker 3: And you know what stands out to me from the
Speaker 3: entire account, which he uh, you know, he mentioned he's
Speaker 3: a teacher on vacation. It's quite quite clear with an
Speaker 3: attention for detail and ability, you know, to take quick
Speaker 3: notes and make a good record of something. But to me,
Speaker 3: which stands out of all of it is that he says,
Speaker 3: there is nothing surreal about the experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was it was natural.
Speaker 4: That's yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know how I would react seeing that. I
Speaker 3: don't think I would think it was natural.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I would feel, right, right.
Speaker 3: It's almost as if it's a matter of fact to
Speaker 3: him or just so it makes you wonder, you know,
Speaker 3: someone like this, this this writer of this statement, what
Speaker 3: else has happened to him that he doesn't go about
Speaker 3: in his life.
Speaker 4: I just wonder. He's mentioned about seeing strange lights on occasion.
Speaker 1: But you know, at a distance and could be anything, right.
Speaker 3: But I wonder, does this is this somebody who there's
Speaker 3: a lot more that has gone on? You know how
Speaker 3: we find out that people have these sightings and all
Speaker 3: of a sudden it's been going on their whole life, right,
Speaker 3: And you know, yeah.
Speaker 4: To me, for someone to see this and just think
Speaker 4: it's seems natural.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And when he says, uh, you know, I thought
Speaker 1: all you have to do to see these things is
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time outdoors at night, that's all.
Speaker 1: That's well, there's a lot of people who spend a
Speaker 1: lot of time outdoors and never see anything and are
Speaker 1: looking for it. But yeah, so probably something more went
Speaker 1: on with him at some point to have that reaction,
Speaker 1: but just a great description and again Christmas night, multiple eyewitnesses.
Speaker 1: So as we are approaching rapidly Christmas, I hope you
Speaker 1: all have your presence purchased and food purchased and plans made.
Speaker 1: Take some time to go out. If it's not a
Speaker 1: blizzard on Chris, you know, or a really white Chris,
Speaker 1: go outside, because there seems to be a high number
Speaker 1: of sightings on Christmas day and night.
Speaker 4: So see, my parents weren't weren't lying to me when
Speaker 4: they said go outside and look for Rudolph's red nose.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 4: That light wasn't Rudolph.
Speaker 1: Now could be attached to a triangular craft that is
Speaker 1: about to abduct you. But yeah, it's it's certainly worth
Speaker 1: spending a little time outside and seeing seeing what you
Speaker 1: can see, and if you're you're in New Jersey, maybe
Speaker 1: the drones will still still be there. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: just I just love these themed episodes we do because,
Speaker 1: as I said, you start out thinking, oh, how many
Speaker 1: Christmas sightings can there be? Right, yeah, there can be
Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds, and so I think from Mexico to
Speaker 1: the UK, I think we got a good sampling of
Speaker 1: all shapes and sizes and reactions. And yeah, why I
Speaker 1: love this. You never know what you're going to come across,
Speaker 1: and there's always new information.
Speaker 3: And just you know, as a little bit of a
Speaker 3: side here, this is our December episode of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: So another year in the books for documenting UFO activity
Speaker 3: in the Hudson Valley and beyond. And of course none
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Speaker 1: New Year to everybody.
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Speaker 3: your eyes on the sky this Christmas Eve Christmas Day.
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