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Speaker 6: Welcome to the occult Rejects. Today we've got some ogs
Speaker 6: with us people haven't been on in a while or
Speaker 6: on as often. Today we got returning with us, Teresa
Speaker 6: the Spiritual Gangster. What is going on, Teresa? How's it been.
Speaker 2: It's been good, It's been busy. What good?
Speaker 6: Yes, thank you of course, and thank you for joining us.
Speaker 6: Do you want to plug anything, mention anything?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 5: So I've been really busy doing some handmade stuff, which
Speaker 5: is what I've done for a long time. But I
Speaker 5: have this new thing which you're kindly letting me plug
Speaker 5: on here. It's called silly pops. So if anyone's into
Speaker 5: like sensory stuff like slime picky pads, I don't know
Speaker 5: if anyone's heard of that. So basically what I've made
Speaker 5: is this thing right here, a hold on. You can
Speaker 5: see it on the camera if you're watching on video.
Speaker 5: I'm holding it up, so it's like a silicone puck
Speaker 5: and it's got all these like beads and charms and
Speaker 5: like different textures inside.
Speaker 2: It's very squishy there.
Speaker 5: It goes very squishy and very fun and when the
Speaker 5: fun part is when you pop everything out, it's like
Speaker 5: super satisfying, just like when you play with slime.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 5: So in the kit though, I include like string and
Speaker 5: like a keychain thing, so you can like actually make
Speaker 5: something with it, so not just like squishing stuff and
Speaker 5: then putting it back in the jar. You can actually
Speaker 5: do stuff like make a keychain, bracelet, charm. So if
Speaker 5: you have kids who are intosensory things I know a
Speaker 5: lot of like autistic children or ADHD, it's really good
Speaker 5: for keeping them busy like a fidget toy.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm doing that right now.
Speaker 5: I'm in a couple stores just create some markets coming up,
Speaker 5: so if you're in like the Toronto area, come see me.
Speaker 5: And on Instagram it's at Silly Pop Shop and it's
Speaker 5: on Etsy under Sillypop Shop as well.
Speaker 2: So yeah, thanks for letting me do my thing.
Speaker 6: Hell, yeah, no, of course, of course that ship. I
Speaker 6: think that ship is. It's awesome checking out everything you've
Speaker 6: been posting. So some good for you, and uh, thank
Speaker 6: you for joining us today. It's been a while, you know.
Speaker 6: Always look forward to Robbie. Uh you know, story time
Speaker 6: with Robbie and.
Speaker 2: I can't miss that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so thank you very much. And h Alenk's for
Speaker 6: her and Spiritual Gangsters will be down in the bottom
Speaker 6: anyway well as well. And Frida Jena Ninja what is
Speaker 6: going on?
Speaker 4: Thank you Cardinal. Sorry I coun't figure out my mic
Speaker 4: for a second. Yeah, thank you so much. That's so
Speaker 4: cool to hear that Teresa is doing that. So big,
Speaker 4: big support and shout out to that because that's that's
Speaker 4: really amazing to like do a brand and a product.
Speaker 4: I know it's a lot of work, so it is.
Speaker 2: It's good though.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, it's really.
Speaker 6: Cool, it's really sh it looks like it's like belongs
Speaker 6: in the store. It's pretty impressive.
Speaker 2: That's right, Thank you.
Speaker 1: I feel key.
Speaker 6: Oh so Jen you want to plug your.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry about that, so you can find me out.
Speaker 4: Wukong reborn to the UK and g Reborn I chose
Speaker 4: called Threshold Saints. Obviously, uh, Robbie and Nick were a
Speaker 4: big part of that book. They were the part of
Speaker 4: the Book of Enoch series. Obviously, Robbie was the storyteller
Speaker 4: for that, and Nick and I were kind of the
Speaker 4: captive audience slash comment extra commentator. So thank you so
Speaker 4: much for I was like the first Robbie Mark series
Speaker 4: on my feed. So really cool to have done that
Speaker 4: and made that full journey.
Speaker 2: So thank you so much.
Speaker 6: Helly, thank you very much. I enjoyed that as well.
Speaker 6: And we got Lisa the Occult Reject mad Scientist, how
Speaker 6: will you.
Speaker 8: Good? Thank you for inviting me. I am very excited
Speaker 8: to be on with Robbie Mark's story time. I hear
Speaker 8: all the amazing things about it, so this is my
Speaker 8: first story time with Robbie, so I'm very very excited.
Speaker 8: The only thing I need to plug is the Occult
Speaker 8: Research Institute dot org. Some of our contributors have, some
Speaker 8: of the rejects have contributed to to the website content
Speaker 8: in literary form, So check us out there on a
Speaker 8: cool research institute dot org.
Speaker 6: Thank you, thank you very much, appreciate that. And we
Speaker 6: got the Cosmic Peach Julia herself what is going on?
Speaker 6: How are you?
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 7: This is my first story time too, and I couldn't
Speaker 7: ask for a better crew of people to do it with.
Speaker 7: We've got Teresa, Lisa, Robbie jin Oh my goodness, this
Speaker 7: is a dream team. Yeah, Cosmic Peach podcast, you know
Speaker 7: the drill. But excited to be here, Robbie looking forward
Speaker 7: to it.
Speaker 6: It's nice, all right, So we got Robbie Marx. What
Speaker 6: is going on? So we're going to be talking about
Speaker 6: the origins of attis. So let everybody know too, like
Speaker 6: where they can find all your stuff in your art
Speaker 6: and everything. Please.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And for those who don't know who I am,
Speaker 1: I'm an artist, man. I'm doing professional art for thirty
Speaker 1: five years for various bands, festivals, mom and pop shops, logos,
Speaker 1: anything anybody really And basically I just grind away at that.
Speaker 1: And while I'm doing that, I have books going in
Speaker 1: the background, and I'm constantly researching and taking notes, and
Speaker 1: I build these databases of these various notes and kind
Speaker 1: of today, Oh before that, I was gonna say, if
Speaker 1: you want to find all my stuff, you can go
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Speaker 1: as far as my website, my Etsy, my Patreon, my podcast,
Speaker 1: everything you want to find is going to be there.
Speaker 1: So but today we're going to cover the origins of
Speaker 1: Attis this character. He's a Phrygian character, and this ties
Speaker 1: back into some of the earliest origins of the mystery schools.
Speaker 6: Than you. Yeah, I don't know anything about it, so correct,
Speaker 6: So I guess wherever you want to like this, wherever
Speaker 6: you like to start.
Speaker 1: Now, when we go into the Egyptians the pri Salron,
Speaker 1: they acknowledge the fact that the Phrygians were a nation
Speaker 1: that was older even than the Egyptians, right, And Josephus
Speaker 1: says that the Phrygians were founded by the biblical figure
Speaker 1: of Togaram Togarma. And this Togarma is basically in the
Speaker 1: line of Noah. He's associated with the line of Jaffat
Speaker 1: and the people of Anatolia, which in that line we
Speaker 1: also find Cagnus, who is the one that brought the
Speaker 1: writing and the characters into ancient Greece from the east, right,
Speaker 1: And it's also generally associated with the line of the
Speaker 1: Hebrew people and the foundations of Armenia. So now the Phrygians.
Speaker 1: They are possibly Thracians, settling in the northwestern Anatolia in
Speaker 1: the late second line of BC upon the disintegration of
Speaker 1: the Hittite kingdom. So this is a really old kind
Speaker 1: of you know, when we get into the Samerians. We've
Speaker 1: talked about the Samerians before in regard to their culture.
Speaker 1: It just emerges out of nothing, just full form, and
Speaker 1: they have you know, writers and actors and doctors and
Speaker 1: surgeons and like cookbooks, and they already have methods of
Speaker 1: accounting and bookkeeping and so you know, they just kind
Speaker 1: of appear out of nothing as this full form. And
Speaker 1: this is after the deluge, and you kind of get
Speaker 1: into with the Samerian kings lists you know, it's basically
Speaker 1: the pre Deluvian kings before the global flood. And they
Speaker 1: have a character very similar to Noah, which is Zasudra.
Speaker 1: And so this kind of ties in with the Western
Speaker 1: ideas of the Bible and Judaism and this idea of
Speaker 1: the global flood, and they are a post flood kind
Speaker 1: of society right now. The Phrygians moving to the Central Highlands,
Speaker 1: founding their capital of Gordium with an important religious center
Speaker 1: at Midas city. So this is where we get King
Speaker 1: midas Is in ancientists. Yeah, exactly exactly. Herodotus of Halikarnassis
Speaker 1: tells us that the Phrygians were in fact Thracian Brigians
Speaker 1: who had once crossed the Hellespont in the histories, also
Speaker 1: telling us that the Phrygians are the parents of the
Speaker 1: Armenian people. So this ties in with our Armenians again.
Speaker 1: Let's see now an Arnobius considered Addis to be a
Speaker 1: Lydian word meaning young man. So this Addis character, he's
Speaker 1: kind of this suppliant of the goddess Kibili and kind
Speaker 1: of is madly in love with her. And this is
Speaker 1: basically the foundations of the Phrygian mystery schools, which when
Speaker 1: you see ancient Phrygia you see the revolution like the
Speaker 1: Papa Smurf type at Yeah, that's the Phrygian cap. So
Speaker 1: this is where the Phrygian cap comes from, right, And
Speaker 1: that hat it dates all the way back into the
Speaker 1: Saturnian age. Who was it one of the ancient Saturnian
Speaker 1: I'll remember it as we go, But he basically was
Speaker 1: the god of the pine tree, and Addis is the
Speaker 1: god of the pine tree. Just like Osyrus was the
Speaker 1: god of the great fir. Just so you see all
Speaker 1: these these different castrated like religious figures being associated with
Speaker 1: different types of trees in the different lands. As this
Speaker 1: mythology spreads right, and it's generally because the trees of
Speaker 1: the pine tree, the fir tree, these are evergreen trees.
Speaker 1: They're symbols of everlasting life. So it's the idea that
Speaker 1: even in the winter when the snow would come, the
Speaker 1: evergreen trees would still stay green and would be the
Speaker 1: only color you would see in the winter time, much
Speaker 1: like where I live here in New Hampshire. So this
Speaker 1: was basically this idea of the afterlife and the possibility
Speaker 1: of the individual soul moving into higher form and living
Speaker 1: into eternity. Whereas you know when you look at a
Speaker 1: lot of the ancient cultures, they believe that you would
Speaker 1: die and go to a holding place or a middle
Speaker 1: ground or some sort of a place to wait for
Speaker 1: the end of time. Whereas this is an emerging thought
Speaker 1: form that is basically bringing about this idea of higher
Speaker 1: ascended levels of being in much like you see in
Speaker 1: some Judaism, such certain sects, certain sects of Judaism don't
Speaker 1: believe in an afterlife whereas others do. And then you
Speaker 1: have the Christians in regard to Jesus, you know, opening
Speaker 1: the way for everyone to ascend the heavens. So you
Speaker 1: see this evolving idea, you know, going back I would
Speaker 1: say upwards of at least ten to twelve thousand years.
Speaker 1: We have documented evidence of this evolving thought form.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 1: Let's see now, our Nobius considered Addis to be a
Speaker 1: Lydian word meaning young man. I said that, right, and
Speaker 1: others believe that addis to be derived from the region attagus,
Speaker 1: which means goat. Right, So there's this idea within, yeah,
Speaker 1: within Addis of this. You know, his name directly relates
Speaker 1: to the goat, and he is raised and fed by goats,
Speaker 1: just like his grand Once you get to the Greek
Speaker 1: mythologies and relations to Addis and Agnotus, Zeus himself was
Speaker 1: also fed by a goat when he was hidden away.
Speaker 1: This goat amethea that basically they end up slaughtering and
Speaker 1: the different parts become these sacred objects in Greek mythology.
Speaker 7: I have a quick question for you, actually, so this character,
Speaker 7: this is like a mystical being or does does he
Speaker 7: have like any divine or supernatural abilities or was he
Speaker 7: more like a prophet type of person?
Speaker 1: Right right, that's a good question. When you look back
Speaker 1: at an attis he is well? He sprung forth by
Speaker 1: mother Kibli and she is an androgen. This gets into
Speaker 1: the virgin births right as far as mother Mary being
Speaker 1: a virgin birth And just so you have this idea
Speaker 1: of parthogenesis is really what it is. And parthogenesis is
Speaker 1: the idea that within certain animal kingdoms, certain species can
Speaker 1: inseminate themselves and basically create their own children. And this
Speaker 1: happens in amphibians, this happens in snakes, this happens in
Speaker 1: There is a botanist in Sweden named Lynn Cantrell that
Speaker 1: wrote a whole book on parthogenesis, and she estimates that
Speaker 1: after the Great Flood that humanity was in such a
Speaker 1: state of chaos that it's it's like when the horseshoe
Speaker 1: crab raises its tail in the ocean and the whole
Speaker 1: moanes that are in the water tell them how many
Speaker 1: boys and how many girls there are, and it tells
Speaker 1: them how to you know whether to make more boys
Speaker 1: or more boys or girls to stabilize the population. That
Speaker 1: there's this idea that you know, humanity and the genetics
Speaker 1: from such stress that women begin to inciminate themselves and
Speaker 1: have the oh yeah, yeah yeah, so and this is
Speaker 1: you know, but it directly ties into the idea of
Speaker 1: these virgin bursts of these and if you figure and
Speaker 1: you take the woman's genetics and she has everything to reproduce,
Speaker 1: the male just basically provides some variability in the equation
Speaker 1: as far as so you don't get you know, too
Speaker 1: much repetition and mutation. But if you take the pure
Speaker 1: genetics of the same programming and combine them together, the idea,
Speaker 1: at least within my mind, is that you're creating these
Speaker 1: vessels that are of a different frequency, that are more
Speaker 1: open to higher energies kind of subsiding within them. So
Speaker 1: you know, basically this Addus character being an offspring of
Speaker 1: the Andrew John Mother Kibili is a mortal man and
Speaker 1: he's not immortal, but at the same time, he's the
Speaker 1: offspring of the gods, and he's like higher sended form,
Speaker 1: so he but he's the suppulant and he loves Mother Kibli,
Speaker 1: So basically he devotes his life to her as a
Speaker 1: As a he becomes a priest basically or a priestess
Speaker 1: of a mother Kibli at one point.
Speaker 7: Do you find it interesting that, like it's it's kind
Speaker 7: of like you were saying with the evolution of people
Speaker 7: thinking about the afterlife, and how you mentioned like most
Speaker 7: of them believed that you had to go to this
Speaker 7: purgatory resting place, and then it was like out of nowhere,
Speaker 7: everybody there was like a surge of higher thinking, like
Speaker 7: maybe we don't go to some weird locker room in
Speaker 7: the middle of the earth.
Speaker 2: Maybe we do go to like eaven or something like that.
Speaker 7: Do you feel like it wasn't just like Addis, but
Speaker 7: like many characters around the same time kind of like
Speaker 7: ascended us into that thinking for sure.
Speaker 1: But Addis is the oldest documented.
Speaker 2: Form that we have, Okay, okay, all right.
Speaker 1: Right, Whereas most of these characters that we look at
Speaker 1: within the ancient times, from Osyrius to Nimrod to Tammuz
Speaker 1: to Adonnus, these are all characters that are in the
Speaker 1: that three thousand to thousand BC area, whereas Mother Kibili
Speaker 1: and Addis go back about ten thousand BC.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is like one of the og right, Okay, But.
Speaker 1: At the same time, time you can trace Mother Kibbi
Speaker 1: or ky Bell or Sybil, you can trace her all
Speaker 1: the way back to Ishtar Anana, and Anana is probably
Speaker 1: the early whereas Addis is probably the earliest form of
Speaker 1: this male like transcendent figure. But Kibbly you can trace
Speaker 1: all the way back to Anana, which you know, and
Speaker 1: Mother Kibbily her grand secret, I'll just spill it in
Speaker 1: the beginning, is that she is an Andrew John. She
Speaker 1: is the great hermaphrodite, right, and if you trace that
Speaker 1: back to Anana. And Nana was very much a transgender
Speaker 1: figure too. It's spoken of that in the from the
Speaker 1: Library of Ashra Barnapaul, where we get the epic of Gilgamesh. Right,
Speaker 1: they basically speak of Anana going into the al room
Speaker 1: or the pub or the bar, and basically she is
Speaker 1: a woman on one side and when she's talking to
Speaker 1: a man, and she's a man on the other side
Speaker 1: when she's talking to a woman. And in the ancient
Speaker 1: festivals of Anana, they would actually dress in garb that
Speaker 1: and we see this, but like in the NTV music
Speaker 1: Wards with Madonna and Britney Spears where she dresses half
Speaker 1: and half in half man and half woman's clothing. This
Speaker 1: goes all the way back to ancient Nana and the
Speaker 1: earliest records of this, uh harmaphroditism.
Speaker 7: So do you think that's why like the transgenderism or
Speaker 7: like gender fluid anything is like kind of sacred, like
Speaker 7: not even like with the baphomet, like the breasted goat
Speaker 7: or whatever. And we kind of see like society in
Speaker 7: general is kind of leaning towards that a little bit,
Speaker 7: you know, recently, but so it's part of like the
Speaker 7: mystery school thing. It's like, oh yeah, that's like the
Speaker 7: upper echelon, Like if you can get yourself to the
Speaker 7: point where you're not mass skilling or feminine, you're just
Speaker 7: like a being that floats somewhere in the middle, Like
Speaker 7: that's the highest you can get, right, right, And.
Speaker 1: That goes back to before you know, there's ancient tales
Speaker 1: of the hermaphrodite that was basically when the sexes were
Speaker 1: split by Zeus. In Greek mythology, you go back into
Speaker 1: the old some of the old Hindu texts, and they
Speaker 1: have tales of groups of Andregin beings that basically kind
Speaker 1: of faded away because they weren't able to produce very
Speaker 1: well you see this, uh, but none and even what
Speaker 1: was it? I believe Indra was kind of a center
Speaker 1: type energy that was neither male nor female. So you
Speaker 1: kind of and and it's just in regard to the creation,
Speaker 1: you know, the what it comes down to is the
Speaker 1: the creation of life without the sexual act. You know.
Speaker 8: I was just gonna ask that, do you think that Cybe,
Speaker 8: I would cybel chimell whatever. I always I always viewed
Speaker 8: her as not so much as a hermaphrodite, but that
Speaker 8: it was a representation of parthagenesis, yes, and that it
Speaker 8: was the alchemical wedding that all the alchemists achieve to master.
Speaker 8: So it wasn't so something I feel like it was
Speaker 8: taken an adulterated or bastardized.
Speaker 4: But it was.
Speaker 8: Not an art form. You can only say so much.
Speaker 8: You can only draw so much, right and and you know,
Speaker 8: fly wings indicate flight. You can't draw something in the air,
Speaker 8: you know, because you're only you know, two dimensional with art.
Speaker 8: But and I felt like Cybelle or Kybell whatever was
Speaker 8: was a representation of trying to indicate a virgin birth, partagenesis.
Speaker 8: And what you said, with part of genesis, you get
Speaker 8: such little variability. It's almost like a clone of the mother,
Speaker 8: because it's all of the genetics of the mother. Yes, right,
Speaker 8: Even if you mix up the genetics and you get
Speaker 8: you know, whatever type of combination, you're still dealing with
Speaker 8: all of the mother. And when you don't have that
Speaker 8: secondary input of variability, it leads to genetic bottlenecking. And
Speaker 8: so what we see is hybrid vigor and biodiversity sustains
Speaker 8: any population. But you're absolutely right in that there was
Speaker 8: a time where parthagenesis had to exist because there was
Speaker 8: no other way but to be back off of that.
Speaker 8: And I don't mean to labor this, but you're with Adams.
Speaker 8: He was her son, wasn't he right? So is this
Speaker 8: somewhat of a reversal storyline? I don't know if you're
Speaker 8: familiar with the story of Adam and Eve at the
Speaker 8: end of the book, how Eve was Adam's daughter and
Speaker 8: it was through copulation with his daughter that he created
Speaker 8: the rest of humanity after did the flood. It almost
Speaker 8: seems like it's a reversal of the story almost.
Speaker 1: And as in regard to Nepota, like having specs within
Speaker 1: your own family, I think that maybe those stories were
Speaker 1: generally shifted where within that chemical you know, you have
Speaker 1: Adam and Eve growing apart from each other like cartilage
Speaker 1: from a single being in a form of like cellular reproduction,
Speaker 1: right whereas in the Biblical Escape you have them taking
Speaker 1: a piece of man's rib and creating her through sort
Speaker 1: of cloning, you know. But nonetheless, yes, very much, you
Speaker 1: have this, and you see this often as well with
Speaker 1: the mother goddesses, like Isis marrying Horus, who is the
Speaker 1: off spring of Osiris, that so she's marrying her son.
Speaker 1: You have this constant, incestuous kind of thing going on
Speaker 1: for the production of these quote unquote you know, divine
Speaker 1: lines once they're incarnated into the physical realm, and it's
Speaker 1: you know, almost like the necessary function of bringing forth civilization,
Speaker 1: you know, in order to produce as much as possible.
Speaker 2: Well it sounds more. Oh sorry, no, finish, finish.
Speaker 8: No, just one more point and I'm done it almost
Speaker 8: If you think about it and you remove the whole
Speaker 8: you know, uh, pedophilia, and just remove that, you know,
Speaker 8: just put it on the shelf for now for the
Speaker 8: sake of explanation. If you think about Parth of Genesis
Speaker 8: and you think about a virgin birth, it is a
Speaker 8: clone of the mother, just in version of a male.
Speaker 8: So you're taking female DNA of the mother and transforming
Speaker 8: it into male. So she is pretty much having sex
Speaker 8: with herself, yes, as a male, right, And so it's
Speaker 8: no longer And I'm not by no means like condoning
Speaker 8: all that other stuff. I'm just saying, if you think
Speaker 8: about it biologically, she's having intercourse with herself in a
Speaker 8: male version, yep. And therefore to propagate the species.
Speaker 1: Yes, the demon if that helps r No, No, for sure,
Speaker 1: for sure. And that's why this stuff is so interesting
Speaker 1: to look at because it challenges the foundational ideas of creation.
Speaker 1: It helps us try to understand further how we were created,
Speaker 1: why we're here, which is the ultimate questions, who are
Speaker 1: we and why are we're here?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: So these are like foundational ideas that you know, are
Speaker 1: the bread basket of humanity as far as our own histories.
Speaker 1: They give us a greater understanding of ourselves.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: Well, I was going to say, it just sounds like
Speaker 5: the practices that you know, these elite families. He's continued
Speaker 5: today hundred So it's like, you know, this is what
Speaker 5: the gods were doing. Yes, they consider ourselves of these
Speaker 5: elite bloodlines, they continue the same practices. Is very interesting
Speaker 5: and also sorry what Julia was touching on before. It
Speaker 5: sounds like the ancient way of like honoring the hermaphroda
Speaker 5: is very like asexual, right, Like it's not really like
Speaker 5: a huge it's yeah, it's not emphasized, whereas like you know,
Speaker 5: the modern day let's say, pride movements, you know, alphabet
Speaker 5: people's whatever. It's like taking on this like inversion of
Speaker 5: it or like a bastardization of it, you know, a
Speaker 5: mockery of it.
Speaker 2: It's like a mockery of it. You know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I just find that interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we find we find with Addis, you know,
Speaker 1: and I guess a couple of stories here, but you know,
Speaker 1: in one story, he climbs to the amount of top,
Speaker 1: to the top of Mount Agdatus, and he's basically in
Speaker 1: shame and he, you know, castrates himself. In another, he's
Speaker 1: getting married to this leading queen and mother Kibli shows
Speaker 1: up and he goes insane and castrates himself. And this
Speaker 1: all comes down to the idea of Attis's supplication to Kibili,
Speaker 1: but not in a sexual manner. It cuts off the sect.
Speaker 1: It's it's higher than you know tontra or higher than
Speaker 1: in a way, it is a certain sort of tontra
Speaker 1: in completely limiting the sex to zero, you know, and
Speaker 1: all bodily lusts and pleasures in association with you know
Speaker 1: what that part of the nervous system brings.
Speaker 6: You know, I've said it multiple times on the show,
Speaker 6: I'm sure to research and Lisa, I've heard Juliet maybe
Speaker 6: not so much because she's just you know now, she
Speaker 6: hasn't heard me bring this up multiple times, but you
Speaker 6: have said it before. I think even looking at the
Speaker 6: Tree of life, if you want to ascend the tree
Speaker 6: and have a magical experience, I do think you are
Speaker 6: like the two energies working together, but like you said,
Speaker 6: not in an actual sexual way at all. I think
Speaker 6: it is basically in a way of like unfucking yourself.
Speaker 6: Really yeah, and it's pretty much taking your DNA and
Speaker 6: twisting it to it looks like a ladder and then
Speaker 6: you climb that. Yes, yeah, and the two energies work together,
Speaker 6: and that's why they do start to split, which is
Speaker 6: why I think you always see the hermaphrodite one side
Speaker 6: in one side once inside.
Speaker 2: The tree really interesting to me, which.
Speaker 6: Which is why the in spirit I don't think, I mean,
Speaker 6: I don't think angels can fuck, right, I mean, do
Speaker 6: they have Dixon the Chinese?
Speaker 7: Well there they're associated with, like some of them are
Speaker 7: being masculine, being masculine or Rogers too, right, because it's
Speaker 7: like Michael and Uriel and like they have Gabriel Raphael,
Speaker 7: those are like masculine names. But I mean do angels
Speaker 7: really I mean, if you go with the Nephelene story,
Speaker 7: the fallen angels, they they were very interested in getting
Speaker 7: freakd nasty, you know. But in a sense to me,
Speaker 7: I've always thought that like mysticism was to transcend out
Speaker 7: of your physical body as far as like wanting sex
Speaker 7: and wanting like it, because when you have sex, the
Speaker 7: act itself traps you in this physical body and you're
Speaker 7: very identifying with it.
Speaker 1: Right shopper that grounds you and pulls you down. And Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a story of the golden flower right that this, Uh,
Speaker 1: I think it was Gilgamesh he died, he dove down
Speaker 1: or the golden flower directly relates to Gilgamesh. But Yogamesh
Speaker 1: dove down to retrieve this golden flower of immortality and
Speaker 1: he was gonna eat it, but before he came back up,
Speaker 1: before he could eat it, a serpent came and ate it.
Speaker 1: And it's basically the idea that he exerted all of
Speaker 1: his force through sexual energy and lost the rising tide
Speaker 1: that led to immortality because of the serpent, because of
Speaker 1: the sexuality. So yeah, this is definitely I.
Speaker 5: Wonder if the fallen angel situations might have been more
Speaker 5: of an energetic sexuality, not like a little wondering.
Speaker 6: I think it's I think that's when you actually start
Speaker 6: using the physical to create. Yeah, I think, to get
Speaker 6: real deep, I think that's when the eyeb I think
Speaker 6: it's just it's just also a description of when the
Speaker 6: eyeballs take take on and you actually fall in love
Speaker 6: and create with this outside world instead of inside.
Speaker 1: Right right now, in the Bible, speaking to what you
Speaker 1: were just talking about, as far as energy, now, the
Speaker 1: Bible specifically says that they came into them, so you can.
Speaker 2: I was just say, yeah, but but it's like hot nuts.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but it's c a m e right.
Speaker 7: Thing.
Speaker 1: But it could be their energies came into them.
Speaker 2: So join right, like like possession.
Speaker 4: Oh my more quicksilver, Like they're filling the vessel with
Speaker 4: energy's quicksilver, and like we're trying to talking about in
Speaker 4: the chat, it's it's more energetic. You have to it's not.
Speaker 6: It's not literal.
Speaker 4: That's a lot of conspiracy people make. I'm not saying
Speaker 4: any of us.
Speaker 7: None of us were all like you used to think
Speaker 7: it was more literal, but now I definitely did. I
Speaker 7: thought they were just blowing loads all over the all pregnant,
Speaker 7: like one of the great renown of.
Speaker 8: The you know, so yeah, but I think also, isn't
Speaker 8: it like during conception, when you have that explosion between
Speaker 8: the supermatozoa and the ovum, you have the opportunity to
Speaker 8: capture energy and transform it and fix it into matter.
Speaker 8: And so when I heard that, you know, you have
Speaker 8: these angels that are coming in. Instead of the matrix,
Speaker 8: the matris of the woman capturing energy and bringing it
Speaker 8: into her and capturing it into matter. The angels came
Speaker 8: in and basically was like, no, I'm putting my energy
Speaker 8: instead of hers calling for yes, right like they played
Speaker 8: that interception game and you know, foul on the play,
Speaker 8: and then was like, no, I'm putting my energy in
Speaker 8: that and the same concept happens with cloning and that
Speaker 8: you get an immortalized cell. Say it's mine, and you
Speaker 8: want to make a clone of Nick. So you take
Speaker 8: you basically keep the outer portion of the cell, and
Speaker 8: you take out my DNA and you insert his and
Speaker 8: so you're basically housing next DNA inside my cellular membrane,
Speaker 8: and then my cellular membrane is activating mixed DNA to
Speaker 8: now start to replicate. All you need is a housing unit,
Speaker 8: which is the outside of the cell, like the whole
Speaker 8: transfer the DNA.
Speaker 5: The Holy Spirit supposedly like did to marry? Oh we
Speaker 5: don't think that story as sexual?
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't because why.
Speaker 5: Why would we think the Fallen Angels was sexual? It
Speaker 5: could just be the same situation.
Speaker 2: Is not here. But this is a barn burner.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, he was supposed to.
Speaker 4: You can see the dialectical errors. I'm just gonna be
Speaker 4: honest there. You can see the errors that Mormonism kind
Speaker 4: of makes with this. They kind of always bring it
Speaker 4: back down to nutsalk and that's like their prime focus.
Speaker 4: But and like Lisa's saying, it's super important, but there
Speaker 4: has to be something with ho. There has to be
Speaker 4: something with yusoad. It has to happen in synthesis. It's
Speaker 4: not in polarity. Right, It's like inns. That's what this
Speaker 4: is all about. And to go off Lisa's point, Teresa
Speaker 4: Yield know this. But Ganesh or Ganapati as we call
Speaker 4: him in Buddhism, he is the son that is only
Speaker 4: begotten by the mother. Now when she creates him, she
Speaker 4: does use the story as the story goes, she does
Speaker 4: use some of the seeds or the quicksilver from Shiva.
Speaker 4: But he didn't know that he took it from her,
Speaker 4: so it's like in ignorance, so it's not really it's
Speaker 4: not really his son. It's only begotten by the mother.
Speaker 4: So that's a really interesting parallel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what was it the Anana? I'll get into
Speaker 1: it here in a little bit, but Yeah, after Addis
Speaker 1: had castrated himself, the blood that fell on the ground, right,
Speaker 1: it produced a tree that grew in real time and
Speaker 1: put forth fruit instantly. Right, And the goddess basically saw
Speaker 1: this beautiful tree full of fruit and picked up In
Speaker 1: some tales it's a pomegranate, and other tales it's an almond,
Speaker 1: and basically was holding them gathering them and holding them
Speaker 1: in their bosom, and one of them went into her
Speaker 1: and basically created you know, parthagenesis. So you see this
Speaker 1: over and over again, and in some of the Eastern tales. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one more thing, And some of the Eastern tales you
Speaker 1: get this story of a beam of sunlight coming in
Speaker 1: and they would basically keep the children off the floor
Speaker 1: until they hit puberty. So they were in between heaven
Speaker 1: and earth, and if they touched the earth, they were polluted, right,
Speaker 1: but a beam of sunlight would come in and basically
Speaker 1: inciminate her without the act of sex.
Speaker 8: Go ahead, Lisa, when you say castration, are you just
Speaker 8: I don't mean to be graphic, but I genuinely want
Speaker 8: to know. Are you just removing the testicles or you
Speaker 8: removing the testicles and urethraw.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming you're moving the whole If you look at
Speaker 1: the templars.
Speaker 8: So it's a complete mutilation.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you look at the highest levels of the templars
Speaker 1: that castrated themselves that are in France, their their pattern
Speaker 1: of castration is basically two circles on the bottom and
Speaker 1: one circle. So when you see these three circles, yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, for sure.
Speaker 7: You know, you guys are killing it today. Man, I'm
Speaker 7: already sitting over here, like what the.
Speaker 2: Fuck story time is all about?
Speaker 1: This is the ancient mysteries, though, and it's all around us.
Speaker 1: It's in everything that that has pervaded into modern times.
Speaker 1: So you know, recognizing these ancient symbols gives you a
Speaker 1: broader understanding of the world you're living in.
Speaker 2: Well, I just wanted to say quick, since Lisa brought
Speaker 2: it up.
Speaker 7: You know, like the Heaven's Gate cult was really into
Speaker 7: this kind of ambiguous gendering shavir head wear matching clothing,
Speaker 7: and then it got to the point where it was
Speaker 7: like castration. So I don't know, it's like it's it's
Speaker 7: very significant in cults, and you know, so I'm I'm
Speaker 7: blown away, you guys, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: So now, the oldest reference to the mysterious character of
Speaker 1: Addis appears on a monument King Midas, and he calls
Speaker 1: him eighth a TPS and Herodotus calls him atus at
Speaker 1: us as well as Attus at us. Oh, that's the
Speaker 1: same in a xanthesis of Lydia. Where as the first
Speaker 1: time we see oh yeah, this is the first in
Speaker 1: Lydia is the first time that we see the double T.
Speaker 1: Put In is a T ti s And that's from
Speaker 1: these Athenian cosmic poets from around three point fifty BC,
Speaker 1: which became the most popular spelling of it thereafter. Let's see,
Speaker 1: according to let me hold on do, Let's see. So
Speaker 1: now Ovid, are you guys familiar with with Ovid at all?
Speaker 1: A little bit? He basically has this book called Metamorphosis,
Speaker 1: and in Metamorphosis he goes through all of these different
Speaker 1: characters in the different mysterious religious that transformed from one
Speaker 1: thing into another. Right, so, Ovid conveys that young Addis
Speaker 1: had fallen in love with the beautiful Kibili, who made
Speaker 1: him a promise that he would remain a boy forever.
Speaker 1: But soon Addis broke his promise, falling in love with
Speaker 1: the river nymph Stagartis. And this is a Phrygian river
Speaker 1: basically that was said to be occupied by this river god,
Speaker 1: and the offspring of that river god was this nymph,
Speaker 1: and Kibili took revenge in killing the nymph, causing Adas
Speaker 1: to lose his mind, with Addis fearing the furies that
Speaker 1: were in pursuit of him to escape the perceived terrors.
Speaker 1: Addis climbed to the top of Mountain Dindiemon where he
Speaker 1: castrated himself. So let's see. And but the OVID doesn't
Speaker 1: so much tell us how Adams was born, right, let's
Speaker 1: see uh in the okay, So in a passion of
Speaker 1: love Jupiter, who is Zeus in Roman times, he basically
Speaker 1: approaches this mount Agnathus. So the goddess is this is
Speaker 1: the mountain itself. Right. And when you go back into
Speaker 1: these ancient mystery schools, they always worshiped on the high places.
Speaker 1: They would circumambulate the mountains to the left hand side,
Speaker 1: basically in alignment with the polestar. And this belief they
Speaker 1: believe this was the connection out of the dome or
Speaker 1: out of the glass onion into the higher realms.
Speaker 4: Right, So.
Speaker 8: Let's see the isn't the polestar associated with that the
Speaker 8: you know what, We've now come to the swastiaka because
Speaker 8: a polestar was in some of it giving orbited by
Speaker 8: the dippers, right, and.
Speaker 1: Those dippers you go through the different cultures, you know,
Speaker 1: and the Egyptians they saw them as ox legs or
Speaker 1: nose nana in that story. They saw them as ox legs.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was Egyptian too, but then you have the
Speaker 1: mother bear as far as and you have this to
Speaker 1: the druids, it was the scythe as far as you know,
Speaker 1: which has to do life and death and moving between
Speaker 1: you know, realms. Let's see.
Speaker 2: So can I ask a quick question about the story
Speaker 2: you just read?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Sometimes when I hear these stories, it's like reading the
Speaker 7: Bible and I need like a little bit more translation.
Speaker 2: Just pretend I'm a retard. It's not hard to do.
Speaker 7: So he you saying he fell in love with somebody,
Speaker 7: but then he could like he didn't want to be
Speaker 7: with him because and then he castrated himself, or like
Speaker 7: what happened with that? Right?
Speaker 1: If you get into the deeper into the Lydian stories
Speaker 1: that were late to where Ovid got his information from,
Speaker 1: they talk about the fact that Kibili and Addis had
Speaker 1: fallen in love with one another even though they couldn't
Speaker 1: make love with one another, and that what ended up
Speaker 1: happening was Addis because he was such a beautiful youth.
Speaker 1: He was like everyone that saw him fell in love
Speaker 1: with him. He was like a Donnas. This is where
Speaker 1: we get the story of Adonnas because he was so beautiful,
Speaker 1: everyone loved him. Right, So one of the kings basically
Speaker 1: had had commissioned a donnas to marry his daughter, and
Speaker 1: then it was Kibli that came to the marriage, and
Speaker 1: when he saw her at the marriage, he went into
Speaker 1: a rage and basically broke down, leading to his self
Speaker 1: castration in dedication to the goddess Mother, his own mother Kibl.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So let's see. Uh now, in a passion, did I
Speaker 1: turn it back? That's okay. So in a passion of love,
Speaker 1: Jupiter approaches Mount Agdutus, which is the mountain which appears
Speaker 1: in the likes of and Early relating it to Mother Riha,
Speaker 1: which all because all these goddesses tye in together isis
Speaker 1: Mother Ria Kibli. You know, there's numerous inscriptions that talk
Speaker 1: about the fact that they call her what do they
Speaker 1: call her? Moronymous is what they call her, where she
Speaker 1: is the mother of many names, and she basically in
Speaker 1: each culture she goes into, she takes on a different
Speaker 1: personification of this divine mother that transmits a andreghne, you
Speaker 1: know birth that of a sort of a prophet figure
Speaker 1: that leads the way to show you that like the
Speaker 1: exit method out of this realm?
Speaker 6: Right, what animal? Sorry to interrupt, what is animal behind
Speaker 6: this woman?
Speaker 1: It looks like a black ox.
Speaker 6: That's what I was thinking too. And it's like, you
Speaker 6: know again we're talking about like all the birth and
Speaker 6: everything and the twisting of the crossing of the stuff.
Speaker 6: I mean, you get an o in an X, I.
Speaker 1: Mean would be the yeah in the ex six in English.
Speaker 6: And also you need oxygen to live in this realm?
Speaker 3: Yeh yeh interesting xoxo guys, And I guess in the
Speaker 3: English language the only places you see six six or
Speaker 3: six sixty six is an ox and fox.
Speaker 1: So that's interesting.
Speaker 4: Well, it is very solar, Yeah, it makes sense for triferonic, right,
Speaker 4: like very trifon lucipheric, almost element right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, for sure. So now let's see. Uh
Speaker 1: but Mount Agdatus basically the mother goddess as the mountain.
Speaker 1: She does not wish to give into the advances Jupiter.
Speaker 1: Right in the ensuing struggle, Jupiter shed some drops of
Speaker 1: his semen where they are spilled over the mountain, which
Speaker 1: can see from his divine insemination. The result is a
Speaker 1: terrible and wild androgynous creature that is born that they
Speaker 1: call Agdatus, so Agnatus. As the deeper I got into this,
Speaker 1: the more I realized that this Agnatus is Mother Kibili you,
Speaker 1: and then I began to found links where they were
Speaker 1: actually and when you get into the Eastern more eastern
Speaker 1: like Iranian texts they call, they directly match Agdatus with
Speaker 1: Mother Kibli.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 1: So, now the gods saw this androgyny as a menace,
Speaker 1: a thing from the past, from before the splitting of
Speaker 1: the sex that we talked about, right, and they feared
Speaker 1: that it was this one person with the quality of
Speaker 1: two sexes that would be enabled to multiply without a partner,
Speaker 1: also relating to the parthogenesis of the virgin bursts which
Speaker 1: we talked about, this constituting a threat to both the
Speaker 1: gods and to man. But the gods said they would
Speaker 1: not outright go and put an end to Agnatus.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So, basically, as the gods look down, they see this
Speaker 1: place where Agnatus enjoys the cool shade and the springs
Speaker 1: of the fresh water, where he quenches he she quenches
Speaker 1: his thirst. And the gods then invoked the participation of
Speaker 1: Dionysus at this point, right. And Dionysus is sent to
Speaker 1: mix wine with the spring water, and Dionysus basically accepts
Speaker 1: this tasks. And this is Dionysus basically said to accept
Speaker 1: this task so that he can gain immortality.
Speaker 6: Right, So.
Speaker 1: Dionysus puts the wine into the spring water where Agnatus drinks,
Speaker 1: and then Agnatus, you know, drinking healthily from the water,
Speaker 1: basically falls asleep, passes out from drinking the wine. And
Speaker 1: then at this time, Dionysus feels up to Agnetus while
Speaker 1: she's sleeping and basically takes a stout chord is what
Speaker 1: they say, and affixes it to the genitals of Agdatus.
Speaker 1: And then when Agnatus wakes up, quote unquote, it deprives
Speaker 1: of that which made him a man. So then according
Speaker 1: to our Nobius, a tree shoots up from the stilled
Speaker 1: blood in real time and bears fruit. This just as this,
Speaker 1: just as in the story of Anana that happens or
Speaker 1: Nana walking past that we talked about before, right and you.
Speaker 6: Know, Robie, just really quick, I mentioned it in the
Speaker 6: chapter four. Since you brought it up again, I could
Speaker 6: be like a little off. But the story with the
Speaker 6: tree and the blood and the you know, the tree
Speaker 6: sprouting from it sounds very much like parts of that
Speaker 6: movie The Fountain.
Speaker 1: The Fountain, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you see this within mysticism because you know what
Speaker 1: was it Athena when she created the fresh water spring
Speaker 1: before Athens was formed, and she also caused an almond
Speaker 1: tree to grow in real time and bear fruit before everyone.
Speaker 1: That's why they elected her and named the island Athena.
Speaker 1: You see these mystical trees growing in real time in
Speaker 1: different places, and even now if you go to India,
Speaker 1: you know, and you read Madam book Votsky or you
Speaker 1: read you know, some of the mystics that have gone
Speaker 1: over and into India, they talk about the yogi's basically
Speaker 1: growing trees and real time that bear fruit. So this
Speaker 1: is something within mysticism that dates, you know, as far
Speaker 1: back as we can go into the the systems.
Speaker 4: M H.
Speaker 6: Interesting story. When you were telling that, I was like, ooh,
Speaker 6: what does this sound like the Fountain? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 6: I don't remember if it was her blood and his blood,
Speaker 6: but I think blood was dropped and a tree grew
Speaker 6: and there was blood coming out of the tree and
Speaker 6: he was eating it out on some of the weird shit.
Speaker 1: Right in the park, you know, and the houses. The
Speaker 1: director going to interpret symbols and inflect them in his
Speaker 1: you know renderance it.
Speaker 6: Oh, I think that is deep as hell, very very gnastic.
Speaker 6: I think one of the lines in it that hit
Speaker 6: me the last time I saw it, I think he says, uh,
Speaker 6: in death, there is awe it just like motherfucking nailed
Speaker 6: it right there.
Speaker 1: So now at this time, because she's pregnant, basically the
Speaker 1: the goddess Kitaly, she comes to send Garios basically this
Speaker 1: this river, the father of the river nymph. And but
Speaker 1: Sangarius doesn't understand the significant of the divine intervention as
Speaker 1: far as the parthogenesis, you know. And this we have
Speaker 1: in the story of Enoch uh not Enoch malchiesa deek
Speaker 1: where you know, malchies Uh Malchesk's father, his you know,
Speaker 1: doesn't understand how his wife is pregnant. We have this
Speaker 1: with Joseph and Mary. We have this, you know, in
Speaker 1: various porthogenic births where the husband's like, you know, uh, well,
Speaker 1: in Jesus and Mary, he did understand, you know. But
Speaker 1: but in this story, the husband doesn't understand, and they
Speaker 1: basically leave this uh divine child when it's birthed in
Speaker 1: a yield as a foundling, just for the nature to
Speaker 1: take it. And again a goat comes and basically, you know,
Speaker 1: feed this this young child, just like Zeus was fed
Speaker 1: by Amathea. And then later on the shepherds find at
Speaker 1: Us and basically raise him up as a shepherd of
Speaker 1: the field. So this is one of our first shepherd
Speaker 1: like figures. And we see him carrying the goats over
Speaker 1: his shoulders like Jesus carries the lambs. Oh yeah, and
Speaker 1: it ties in with the various like Tamus when Tamus
Speaker 1: carried the goats like that as well. But he was
Speaker 1: the progenitor of the fields. He could make grass grow
Speaker 1: at a word. He you know, makes springs come at
Speaker 1: a word. You know, various divine intonations. But it's when
Speaker 1: Adas grows up unbeknownst to mother Kibily that basically, when
Speaker 1: he comes of age and he's like this beautiful child
Speaker 1: like Adonis. That this is when Kibberly falls in love
Speaker 1: with him. And basically, you know, and this, you know,
Speaker 1: this whole idea of the mother falling in love with
Speaker 1: the son, the son castrating himself, devoting himself to the mother.
Speaker 1: This all relates into whom because when we get into
Speaker 1: Mother Kibberly and I didn't want to talk about her
Speaker 1: so much, but she was generally worshiped on this mountain
Speaker 1: as a blackstone, right, So the black stone, this was
Speaker 1: a meteorite that was said to come and the goddess
Speaker 1: incarnating herself into our physical world. You got some.
Speaker 7: Yea.
Speaker 1: But basically we can see these meteorite stones being worshiped
Speaker 1: in several places, like in the corner of the Kaba
Speaker 1: in uh In Mecca. But nonetheless, this black stone, it
Speaker 1: gets commissioned to be taken to Rome because Virgil in
Speaker 1: his book The Eniad, basically Eneus goes back to Phrygia
Speaker 1: and ties the foundations of Rome to ancient Phrygia. Where addis, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what the Eniad, the epic story that basically details
Speaker 1: the foundation of Rome, is all about. Is this character
Speaker 1: of Enius going to ancient Phrygia and basically going to
Speaker 1: worship the goddess Mother and tying the foundations of Rome
Speaker 1: to ancient Phrygia, which we're talking about, right. So they
Speaker 1: end up commissioning and bringing that blackstone from Phrygia and
Speaker 1: bringing it to the Palatine Hill in Rome, and she
Speaker 1: becomes the mother of all of gods over all of
Speaker 1: the Roman religion. So they bring this Phrygian goddess that
Speaker 1: offshoot Addis and she becomes the supreme goddess of ancient Rome.
Speaker 1: So just in context of this whole storyline, right, I.
Speaker 6: Just wanted Robbie now, I just wanted to uh interrupt
Speaker 6: before about you know, you're talking about this whole thing
Speaker 6: was like, you know, cutting yourself, castration, Eunichs and all
Speaker 6: this stuff. I have a joked well and not joked around.
Speaker 6: I tried to make like actually a serious points with this.
Speaker 6: And you're going back to the eye. So I understand
Speaker 6: that's sometimes a little bit too too deep, but a
Speaker 6: little bit too much, but I have a reference before.
Speaker 6: I do think the optic nerve and back of your
Speaker 6: eye looks like a dick hanging. I mean when I've
Speaker 6: pulled up the picture if I could, I'm not going
Speaker 6: to go through the computer.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 6: I've showed it on podcasts and people are like, yeah,
Speaker 6: that does look like a dick, and bolls, it does
Speaker 6: look like that, and it's in the back of your
Speaker 6: eye and once you start falling down from that point
Speaker 6: into the front of your eye. That's like when you
Speaker 6: start like basically coming into birth with this world. You know,
Speaker 6: at that point you're still just having a relation ship
Speaker 6: kind of with the pineal gland and back here. You
Speaker 6: haven't hit the lens yet, nothing's gotten twisted or manipulated.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I often wonder is like the loss of
Speaker 6: that is just showing you the progression of light coming
Speaker 6: into the front of your eye basically into this world. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's a little much, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it is interesting when you look back at
Speaker 1: the ideas that you know, at a certain point we
Speaker 1: couldn't see blue, at a certain point, we couldn't see pink.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're even changing fluids and everything. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, and there's a woman in Florida that they found
Speaker 1: I don't know if I brought this up before, but
Speaker 1: she has extended rods and cones that they found, and
Speaker 1: she can see something like an extra sixty something colors
Speaker 1: that we can't see.
Speaker 6: So, you know, if you look at a certain Egyptian headdresses,
Speaker 6: they look just like I can't remember if it's the
Speaker 6: cones of the rods, but they look just like what
Speaker 6: cones are in the back of your ebble.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And I mean, you know, when you get
Speaker 1: into the sigul of Lucifer in regard to how the
Speaker 1: eyeballs work and how right right, that's exactly, but that's
Speaker 1: the whole thing, you know. It's like the evolving Are
Speaker 1: we a continuously evolving form?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 1: You go back into the ancient mysteries and they talk
Speaker 1: about how we just came into birth full form, like
Speaker 1: from the divine realm, you know, and then it took
Speaker 1: however long in manifest creation before we fell into matter,
Speaker 1: you know, or if you want to get into like
Speaker 1: the Darwinian Huxley kind of idea of you know what,
Speaker 1: why they had to fake the pilt down man and
Speaker 1: why they still have the quote unquote missing link, like
Speaker 1: they can't determine or establish a true, definitive point of
Speaker 1: separation from primates to humans. But geneticists also say there
Speaker 1: are some points in there where it looks like genes
Speaker 1: have been fused. So it's just interesting to think about
Speaker 1: in regard to the creation mechanisms.
Speaker 7: You know, I just I wanted to add to something
Speaker 7: really and it's at leasta actually, and then you you
Speaker 7: made me think of it again. But there was a
Speaker 7: small documentary that I watched on the craziness of conception
Speaker 7: and like how impossible it really is to even contemplate it.
Speaker 3: But they.
Speaker 7: I guess somehow, maybe not inside a woman, but they
Speaker 7: took a video of when the sperm actually fuses with
Speaker 7: the egg. There's like it's like the big bang shit,
Speaker 7: light light comes off of the thing, and it's kind
Speaker 7: of like what you were saying is like do we
Speaker 7: come from like a divine like an astral plane and
Speaker 7: it just like explodes within and you know, it's.
Speaker 2: Like where do you people actually come from?
Speaker 7: And infants actually can only see in black and white
Speaker 7: for a while and then they develop colors over time,
Speaker 7: So it's like, what like an infant or even like
Speaker 7: a fetus inside the womb is like where do we really?
Speaker 2: Like the thought of it is crazy, like where do
Speaker 2: we actually come from?
Speaker 1: And the woman being able to actually, like a fractal unfunction,
Speaker 1: manufacture life from itself in all species, not just humans.
Speaker 1: But I find it interesting that within the zygote, as
Speaker 1: it develops within the womb of the human, that it
Speaker 1: basically takes on all these different class and phylum representations
Speaker 1: of the life. That's existing on the planet as well.
Speaker 8: Yes, it's required. The explosion is required to trap energy
Speaker 8: into matter, like if you were just harnessing energy into
Speaker 8: matter at the molecular level. It requires that amount of
Speaker 8: burst of energy and it's about I think they said,
Speaker 8: like sixty or six hundred thousand zinc ions that explode
Speaker 8: at the same time and the actual lining of the
Speaker 8: ovum in the zona pellucida that is where the chain
Speaker 8: reaction happens, and it's a chemical, biochemical process.
Speaker 5: It's so funny because today I just saw a post
Speaker 5: about for the first time, like recently, they were able
Speaker 5: to make a human fetus out of just stem cells, right,
Speaker 5: so no egg and sperm, like literally just repurposed stem cells.
Speaker 5: And it made me think of that clip, Julia, that
Speaker 5: I think you're talking about when you know the zygote
Speaker 5: I guess gets the egg gets fertilized or whatever, and
Speaker 5: then there's that huge spark of light, and I was like, well,
Speaker 5: if you're just using stem cells, what'd that even happen?
Speaker 2: And then like, what is this creation that you've made?
Speaker 2: Is there any soul in fuse?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 5: When?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's postulated that when that explosion of light happens
Speaker 1: potentially that that is when the soul and to the spirit.
Speaker 5: Like you said, materializes into matter, right, Like when is
Speaker 5: that happening? And I'm like, is that even a human
Speaker 5: at that point?
Speaker 7: Like what is the right It's like it's like, I
Speaker 7: don't know if you guys have ever watched the movie Splice,
Speaker 7: when you know she takes like her egg and puts
Speaker 7: like weird chicken DNA with it and trying to make
Speaker 7: like hybrid beings and shit, it just makes you wonder.
Speaker 2: It's it's that spark of light.
Speaker 7: When you see it, and it's like an explosion, and
Speaker 7: it's almost like the God particle, right, you know, when
Speaker 7: you are trying to fuse those two things together to
Speaker 7: create and then this soul comes down into this vessel
Speaker 7: which is the mother, and then you grow it and
Speaker 7: then it's a whole entire person. But I have also thought,
Speaker 7: and you know, I think most most of you know,
Speaker 7: I kind of identify myself to be a Christian, but
Speaker 7: you know, not to say that I'm the only person
Speaker 7: that can be right, because I'm open to entertaining all
Speaker 7: kinds of you know, different theories and stuff. But doesn't
Speaker 7: it make you wonder if, like the soul of the
Speaker 7: person that you grow inside you, it's like they've always
Speaker 7: been with you, and then it's like they wait for
Speaker 7: like the right time and then they come down into
Speaker 7: the physical, but like their spirit has always been with you.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 1: Within some of the Buddhist exte for it, it's the
Speaker 1: idea that you have these souls around you, and you
Speaker 1: do this eternal dance through time where you continue to
Speaker 1: come back so you can experience and love one another.
Speaker 1: And if those souls so much love one another, that
Speaker 1: there's a potential two souls can merge and become one impurity.
Speaker 1: And also the idea that if one soul is so
Speaker 1: strong that it can actually explode and fracture and create
Speaker 1: multiple souls of itself. You know, it's it's, you know,
Speaker 1: quite beautiful in regard the energetic you know, precipitation and
Speaker 1: the possibilities of what life. And then when you get
Speaker 1: into DNA itself, right when it twists up into its
Speaker 1: finest form, it's generating photons on its own accordance, just
Speaker 1: through the nature of how and I've postulated that the
Speaker 1: photons generating through the DNA may be the bit rate
Speaker 1: at which we experience time that allows time to actually damn.
Speaker 2: That is intense photon.
Speaker 8: That photon exists at a specific frequency that is the
Speaker 8: fingertip of the actual individual. It is specific and unique
Speaker 8: to that individual. And so when you look at the
Speaker 8: body itself and you look at d n A itself,
Speaker 8: you look at the soul's frequency, they're all specific to
Speaker 8: each other. And it's like your meat suit has been
Speaker 8: outfitted to your soul's DNA. And to respond that.
Speaker 7: Way, well, Lisa, how can you make that in a lab?
Speaker 7: It's like that, you can't like that whatever they're doing,
Speaker 7: and they're like, it's it's can't be the same.
Speaker 2: It can't.
Speaker 7: They're they factored out the spiritual aspect of life and
Speaker 7: they're just creating like weird biological vesta.
Speaker 8: That's going to be the new, the new what is it? Discrimination?
Speaker 8: The people that were born natural versus people that were
Speaker 8: not born natural? Right, that's where you're going to have
Speaker 8: that divide. But to give credence to what we're saying,
Speaker 8: and just to kind of insert this, when you go
Speaker 8: for IVF, like if you want to in mutual fertilization,
Speaker 8: they obviously they harness both ammetes, right, when your ob
Speaker 8: g y n is looking at intemonation under a microscope,
Speaker 8: it's looking for that flash of light under the microscope.
Speaker 8: If there's embryos that do that produce a flash of light,
Speaker 8: those are you know, collected, and they are harvested, you know,
Speaker 8: for implantation later. The ones that are not are discarded.
Speaker 8: So if you're if you're paying upwards of thirty to
Speaker 8: fifty thousand dollars for your ogui n to look for
Speaker 8: that flash of light, that's I think that's a big deal.
Speaker 2: I think that's how can you not believe in God
Speaker 2: when you see something like that? It's just like, this
Speaker 2: is crazy to me.
Speaker 1: It's the most fun stuff to talk about for me.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just you know, you know. So now, Pausanius,
Speaker 1: he tells us that adds his birth, like that of
Speaker 1: many heroes, is said to have been miraculous. His mother, Nana,
Speaker 1: was a virgin who conceived by putting a right almond
Speaker 1: or pomegranate in her bosom. And and then my note
Speaker 1: is indeed, within the Phrygian culture and their cosmology, right
Speaker 1: the omen figured as the father of all things. So
Speaker 1: this is the father and the mother and the offspring.
Speaker 1: This is the divine trinity that you see and all
Speaker 1: the Egyptian you know, gnomes of the twelve Gnomes that
Speaker 1: transitions into the various mystery schools that we see coming
Speaker 1: forth in the mystery of Jesus Christ himself.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, something I wanted to say earlier to Robbie.
Speaker 6: I just want to interject and I think, well, at
Speaker 6: least obviously would understand this. I think it's very much
Speaker 6: like in Petocles is a love and strife idea. If
Speaker 6: you go back and look at that and you kind
Speaker 6: of get an idea of what he's saying there, he's
Speaker 6: very much almost explaining, like my opinion, birth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that's you know, and I've theorized that,
Speaker 1: you know, within the Masonic orders, you have the compass
Speaker 1: being the draws of the circles, that is the divine heavens,
Speaker 1: that is, you know, more associated with the female. And
Speaker 1: then you have the square, which the draws angles more
Speaker 1: associated with the cube or the male. And basically you
Speaker 1: see that G that's in the center, right, You're basically
Speaker 1: taking the female and the male and bringing them together,
Speaker 1: and that is that G is generation, is the creation
Speaker 1: of life. I think that is the most hidden sacred
Speaker 1: mystery of all the mysteries, which.
Speaker 7: Isn't uh that that's like the the chalice in the
Speaker 7: blade coming together that thing. So you're just your thoughts
Speaker 7: because this is so similar to like the Immaculate Conception, Robbie,
Speaker 7: your thoughts Was Jesus asexual?
Speaker 2: I mean is that why?
Speaker 7: I mean?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 7: What? What?
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 1: I mean, did he have children? You know, you read
Speaker 1: Holy What, Holy Blood, Holy Grail and they say that
Speaker 1: the offspring of the children of Mary Magdalen and Jesus
Speaker 1: became what the meryor of Vingian bloodline. There there is
Speaker 1: some argument, but if you look back into how these
Speaker 1: mystery schools function and the scenes being taken outside of
Speaker 1: and being very like what's the word I'm looking for,
Speaker 1: they basically rejected everything.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: They were limiting their food, they were limiting their exposure
Speaker 1: to the corruption of the city. You know, they were
Speaker 1: limiting their sex, they were limiting like you know, so
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a good question, for sure, but
Speaker 1: but I could definitely see how, you know, Jesus could
Speaker 1: have been a potentially asexual being.
Speaker 2: I'm starting to lean that way. Sorry, go ahead, Jade,
Speaker 2: that's ocal.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to jump in because I find this
Speaker 4: to be a really interesting point. I think Robbie did
Speaker 4: a really great job fielding that. But I also think
Speaker 4: like as a Buddhist quote unquote, as a we don't
Speaker 4: believe in a fixed soul, but we do believe in
Speaker 4: the light. So like what Robbie, Lisa, and Nick are
Speaker 4: all talking about, like, yeah, we believe in that like
Speaker 4: the light of conception, but we would say that that's karma.
Speaker 4: So that's like your kind of connection to the people
Speaker 4: that you were born unto and then with. So rather
Speaker 4: than your soul has like it's it's not really a soul.
Speaker 4: It's more of a spirit or like a fix. It's
Speaker 4: not fixed, right, you can change, you a free will.
Speaker 4: You can. You're malleable in the world. You're just like
Speaker 4: your body can change as a like I'm sure Lisa knows,
Speaker 4: is like a stress. I mean, Lisa definitely knows, but
Speaker 4: as like a stress recept you know, you changed depending
Speaker 4: on your inputs, your food, your environment, all of that.
Speaker 4: So the reality is is like we change, but yes,
Speaker 4: we immediately are born with like the karma connection to
Speaker 4: each other and recognizing that is that's what Buddhism really is.
Speaker 4: It's like that's the whole point is like to recognize, Yeah,
Speaker 4: everything I do has a karma implication and can impact
Speaker 4: not only myself but the people around me, and not
Speaker 4: only in material ways, but in metaphysical ways.
Speaker 2: The soul family, right right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we can use it. I mean, I'm fine to
Speaker 4: use the word soul. I just I personally don't believe
Speaker 4: in a fixed soul, So you can interpret that however
Speaker 4: you want. Like we're we we really reject that eternalist
Speaker 4: idea of like the soul carries with you through time,
Speaker 4: it's sort of dissipated in time. That's the market.
Speaker 5: Probably we could all like look back on our life
Speaker 5: and have these points where like if you've met somebody,
Speaker 5: I'm not even talking like romantically or whatever, but like
Speaker 5: there's just people. Sometimes in that moment when you meet
Speaker 5: them or see them, there's like a weird like recognition
Speaker 5: or like a certain feeling. I also had that with
Speaker 5: both my children, like when they were born or even
Speaker 5: when like I was pregnant with them, Like there were
Speaker 5: certain things about them that it's like I knew was
Speaker 5: going to be, this is who you are.
Speaker 2: And then when I held them, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's you, like an old familiarity, like you knew them
Speaker 2: all right, they knew that.
Speaker 7: That's why I mentioned like it's you. It makes you
Speaker 7: wonder if they've not always been with you. I don't
Speaker 7: know if it's like with you, but maybe more like
Speaker 7: like a nat sole family or that.
Speaker 4: They come down to be with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah right right, yeah right yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Also, just let me just say this really quick about
Speaker 4: the Jesus, because you brought up a really great point
Speaker 4: about Jesus being asexual. So this is a question that
Speaker 4: Tantra actually deals with rather well. Is that and Lisa
Speaker 4: and I were talking about a little in the chat.
Speaker 4: There are different versions of preferences of how to climb
Speaker 4: the tree, if you want to call it like that,
Speaker 4: if you want to articulate it like that. So being
Speaker 4: having a bachelor deity or bachelor god, that is desirable,
Speaker 4: as Robbie was saying, for people who are into radical shromana.
Speaker 4: So shramana just means radical asceticism. So it's like giving
Speaker 4: up all the materialities. So if your view is shramanic, I'll.
Speaker 1: Say, right, meticism as that's the word I was thinking
Speaker 1: of her meticism.
Speaker 4: Good. Yeah, but you're going to give up everything now,
Speaker 4: if your path is radically transgressive, then you're going to
Speaker 4: embrace the pleasures of the flesh. So it really depends
Speaker 4: on how you want, like how your cosmology is, how
Speaker 4: the system is that you get to where you want
Speaker 4: to go, so right, and like, so this is a
Speaker 4: this is the I guess the Kaibel figure of Tantra.
Speaker 4: Her name is Zaka Jatti, which means the one braid.
Speaker 4: And you can see she only has one breast, one eye,
Speaker 4: one thing. And to bring up Nick's point about the
Speaker 4: eye falling out, if you look at her, I guess
Speaker 4: that's her left hand. She's holding a heart, a severed
Speaker 4: and there's like a little string and so that it
Speaker 4: does look kind of like an eyeball. I didn't choose
Speaker 4: the best image to show that. I chose a more
Speaker 4: cool image. But you can see, like she's blind. She
Speaker 4: only has the one eye, so it's only subtle because
Speaker 4: when she has her physical eyes, she craves and she desires.
Speaker 4: So the whole idea is that when she becomes blind,
Speaker 4: she only has her subtle or her third eye. Right,
Speaker 4: So she only can perceive the spiritual, so she realizes
Speaker 4: in her karma, oh, this is my cosmic function is
Speaker 4: not to destroy the world, but to destroy perception. So
Speaker 4: it has like a much more consciousness layer. It's not
Speaker 4: like as we were talking about this whole time. It's
Speaker 4: very much about consciousness rather than Yeah, it can be literal,
Speaker 4: it can be real, it can be also a metaphor,
Speaker 4: it can be also angels, whatever. But really it's about
Speaker 4: you and your consciousness and your body because I think,
Speaker 4: like Lisa and Nick make a great argument, it's about
Speaker 4: your eye and your womb.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Now, when we trace the name Addis
Speaker 1: back from athus a t u s to eights ates
Speaker 1: all find a common meaning in the Caucaus region, relating
Speaker 1: to the month or the moon right, and it is
Speaker 1: also held that ideas came from the day that the
Speaker 1: full moon is visible as the etruscans related to the
Speaker 1: moon as itus or itis, relating to lunar time, and
Speaker 1: corresponds to the Samerian word itu, which relates to illumination
Speaker 1: of the moon. This word itu has been in Kaldea
Speaker 1: and in the Acamedean inscriptions used in the exact same
Speaker 1: manner in regard to the illumination or light, not the
Speaker 1: moon itself, but the light of the moon. Right, and
Speaker 1: it's believed to have been perceived as a divine being
Speaker 1: in relation to the cycles of the natural world from
Speaker 1: these names found in Asia Minor being eight Aethus as
Speaker 1: well as Attis, suggesting this to be the true origin
Speaker 1: of the nature of Attis. The moon god a Men
Speaker 1: or many of Asia Minor has long been recognized for
Speaker 1: his similarities with Attis. Men is young like Attis, both
Speaker 1: dress identically, both wear the Phrygian cap of Attis, while
Speaker 1: also both using common attributes of the poppy, the pomegranate,
Speaker 1: and the pine cone. So, you know, we can just
Speaker 1: see that this is something that is spreading culturally because
Speaker 1: of this ascended idea of this virgin birth and this
Speaker 1: means of you know, transitioning into higher forms of reality. Right,
Speaker 1: both Addis and Man are seen with the crescent moon
Speaker 1: above their heads. This godmin Uh, these god men through
Speaker 1: their symbols, is a blossoming. Is a blossom blossoming, nourish
Speaker 1: and nourished by ancient roots growing outward from Addis. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could just keep going on and on about you know,
Speaker 1: this is basically the notes I was writing for for
Speaker 1: the Nimrod book, because Nimrod directly ties in with this
Speaker 1: as far as one of the cut up gods.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: You know something again, you mentioned the crescent moon, and uh,
Speaker 6: I was gonna say it earlier, but I just forgot, uh.
Speaker 6: You know, when we're talking about like I guess, you know,
Speaker 6: conception and everything. I've often thought and I think somebody
Speaker 6: might have actually said it to me. May that'd be
Speaker 6: original idea. So I just want to put that out
Speaker 6: there the way I explain that my experience with crossing
Speaker 6: the Abyss at the end, it is very much almost
Speaker 6: like kind of going out the same way it came in.
Speaker 6: I will see that eclipse and eventually turn into a
Speaker 6: crescent moon, and the black part blacks Fiel, will get
Speaker 6: pulled away from the white one. The poles will separate,
Speaker 6: and then it's an explosion of light and I'm gone.
Speaker 6: So it's like, you know, there's an explosion of light
Speaker 6: coming into the physical sense. And then when I separate,
Speaker 6: when I believe I separate the soul from the body,
Speaker 6: there's an explosion of light going out, you know, and
Speaker 6: we'll see a crescent moon in my visual at some
Speaker 6: point when it starts to slowly pull apart, it looks
Speaker 6: like a crescent moon apart. And then yeah, and you.
Speaker 1: See that crescent moon in these moon these male moon
Speaker 1: deities going back into man or Manny coming into Attis.
Speaker 1: But you also see that at crescent moon in numerous
Speaker 1: places of these numerous different god forms all over the earth.
Speaker 6: Tod who's associated with the hemaphrodite.
Speaker 1: Yep, And that crescent is the the beak of the
Speaker 1: of the ibis in regard to thought, and it was
Speaker 1: considered also as a writing nib in regard to prophecy.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 7: Only associated the moon with being like a feminine energy
Speaker 7: that oh yeah, well, so thought right within Egyptian mythology
Speaker 7: rode in the moon, and the moon.
Speaker 1: Was isis basically right. But thought was represented as the
Speaker 1: dark side of the moon, you know, like pink Floyd,
Speaker 1: which is basically considered to be the hidden wisdom of
Speaker 1: the divine feminine. So there is a direct correlation with
Speaker 1: the feminine for sure.
Speaker 7: You know, I was going to say, because controls your
Speaker 7: it's supposed to if you're living right, it's supposed to
Speaker 7: control your menstrual cycle.
Speaker 1: Right, and the tides coming and going of the tides,
Speaker 1: you know. I think it goes deep when you get
Speaker 1: into the moon and the basically creating the structure for
Speaker 1: life on the planet in regard to you know, the
Speaker 1: movement and not letting everything on Earth lay stagnant.
Speaker 7: Poulation can sometimes be connected to the moon too. Sorry
Speaker 7: you guys, go No, just usually in full moons, that's
Speaker 7: when you do.
Speaker 8: I don't know about female, but I do know living
Speaker 8: on a rancher farm or whatever you do have, if
Speaker 8: you have animals that are about to drop, it never
Speaker 8: fails on a full moon. They they'll all end up
Speaker 8: dropping at the same time.
Speaker 1: And within the agricultural ideas of the moon, right, you
Speaker 1: would plant on a new moon when there's no moon,
Speaker 1: because what's going to happen is as the moon is
Speaker 1: building an energy and becoming more and more full, it's
Speaker 1: actually working on those plants to pull.
Speaker 4: Them out of the ground.
Speaker 1: So it in regard to the growth of you know,
Speaker 1: life itself in the plant form. So yeah, the moon
Speaker 1: is yeah, what's that?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 5: I always thought that like at night when you're observing
Speaker 5: like you know, your plants or whatever, like they look
Speaker 5: so alive that night. Yeah, yeah, I'm like they're growing,
Speaker 5: I swear to God, and like always children, you know,
Speaker 5: when they wake up the next morning like you grew last.
Speaker 1: Night, right, it's like yeah, shp overnight. And that's Traditionally
Speaker 1: you receive the energy from the sun, that is the
Speaker 1: vivifying and programming energy, and then when you go into
Speaker 1: that state of sweep or comatose where the moon works
Speaker 1: its energies on you, that's when you're healing, you're growing,
Speaker 1: You're doing all the necessary things that you know, encourage
Speaker 1: health within the and decomposition on the opposite as well.
Speaker 7: I don't think that we know anything about what the
Speaker 7: moon really is because it's like if you stand in
Speaker 7: the shade at night versus the moonlight, the shade is
Speaker 7: cooler than the moonlight, So there is like something radiating
Speaker 7: off of the bitch, and it's growing. It's like you said,
Speaker 7: things grow in the moonlight, your your ovulation, your minstrel.
Speaker 7: There's there is an energy force around the moon. Like,
Speaker 7: I'm so sick and tired of people being like, oh,
Speaker 7: it's a used car that aliens used to get here
Speaker 7: and then they just abandoned it and it's like, no way, dude,
Speaker 7: I can't get on board with that.
Speaker 6: You know, it's interesting ahead even cabalistically when you look
Speaker 6: where the moon is, it's even something that projects light
Speaker 6: out of it, and it's even called amateur creator. But
Speaker 6: something I wanted to say before forgotten finally remembered, uh
Speaker 6: something maybe Julia, why you might be misunderstood. And I
Speaker 6: think it's a huge issue amongst you know, even the
Speaker 6: occult and conspiracy or just in general, that something that's
Speaker 6: not noticed to look at when you want to look
Speaker 6: at these planets or even spheres on like ca abolatry,
Speaker 6: there's always going to be a male and a female
Speaker 6: idea to it. And I don't think that's widely known.
Speaker 6: It's just always thinking that this is always going to
Speaker 6: be male, and that's always going to be female. There's
Speaker 6: always something with it. Like even with the moon Crowley
Speaker 6: at one point I think thought he was a reincarnation
Speaker 6: of of constant constant or I can't say it, pronounce
Speaker 6: it perfectly right now, that was a male deity of
Speaker 6: the moon. Most people didn't you know that, you know,
Speaker 6: like I think, if you want to take a good
Speaker 6: idea of how to even explain maybe like this could
Speaker 6: be correct. It's a theory of mine of like the
Speaker 6: male and female aspect. The moon itself would the structure
Speaker 6: of it would be the female, and then that light
Speaker 6: you're talking about reflecting off of it or coming out
Speaker 6: of it would be the male aspect.
Speaker 7: I think it's awesome that those energies are balanced. I
Speaker 7: just don't think it's talked about much. That's all right, right, Yeah,
Speaker 7: we're super profound. Sorry, Robie, I just want to say that. Yeah,
Speaker 7: Nick was right on with that. That's even a ton
Speaker 7: tric understanding. You look at any tontric iconography, there's always
Speaker 7: a female or a male deity implied, always, even if
Speaker 7: they're solo. We call the Ekavira a solitary hero form.
Speaker 7: But even if they're like that, there's always little subtle
Speaker 7: implications that theikini or the concert is in the image
Speaker 7: with them.
Speaker 4: And that's even a couplistic idea. It's not just tontric
Speaker 4: because it's really their breath. It's really the breath of
Speaker 4: art that's really the chop. So they're always there. So
Speaker 4: I agree with Nick, it's like the moon. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: you're right, Gulia, it has a feminine there's a feminine
Speaker 4: element to the moon, but there's also a masculine element
Speaker 4: because Nick and I have talked about this idea with
Speaker 4: like Toad into Hoodie before, there's an idea that the time.
Speaker 4: So this has been a so three but can only
Speaker 4: express into the world in eight, so in Hode. But
Speaker 4: then he can really only express in nine because there's
Speaker 4: actually plus one. There's time, right, So it's the eight
Speaker 4: cycles plus one. So that's why he appears, which is ysode,
Speaker 4: which is nine. So you can see it's like the
Speaker 4: mercurial force. The masculine energy has to travel over to
Speaker 4: the Moon to actually take form. It cannot just take
Speaker 4: form in Ode. It has to come into formation onto
Speaker 4: the foundation. That's an interesting way. I just thought with
Speaker 4: Nix I was super profound and just wanted to rough
Speaker 4: off that.
Speaker 3: Sorry about that.
Speaker 6: Even another way, I want to even try to show that.
Speaker 6: And I didn't know this until the guy from a
Speaker 6: Library of the Untold came on. I listened to one
Speaker 6: of his things. Uh, just again with this, Julie was
Speaker 6: saying the moon with birth, you know, you know, with
Speaker 6: that whole aspect, if you were to be taken out
Speaker 6: of the Sun and put into a cave for like
Speaker 6: a month or two, you're not going to drop any eggs. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so you need the sun to even you need both, right, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, Well it's like yin and yang, right, Like
Speaker 5: there's a bit a piece of each in both, right,
Speaker 5: Like it's never exclusive.
Speaker 4: Complimentaries, not polarities.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and like I don't know if that has to
Speaker 6: do with this, the skin obsorbing the sun, but your
Speaker 6: eyes are going to be taking that in as well.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there is a there's a theory that if you
Speaker 8: gaze upon the moon, especially a full moon, that it
Speaker 8: charges your pinial gland, especially at midnight, like it makes
Speaker 8: it ready to receive all of the light the next day.
Speaker 8: And the other thing that I wanted to say, Tyrannian purple,
Speaker 8: the purple that was coveted by the royals, can only
Speaker 8: be produced by sea snails when you expose their their
Speaker 8: their secretions to moonlight. And that I mean immediately you
Speaker 8: see it and it's clear, right, it doesn't look like
Speaker 8: at all, but then leave it in the moon the
Speaker 8: next day, it's it's purple.
Speaker 7: More than a fosphorescent seaweed or whatever like that can
Speaker 7: make the water look like it's glowing.
Speaker 2: And in the light. Yeah, man, there's guys do it.
Speaker 2: The moon is the photo developer.
Speaker 6: You know something I want to I want to toss
Speaker 6: in here too, And Lisa just reminded me of it,
Speaker 6: and I swear one day we'll actually cover it in
Speaker 6: Trolley's libresh or his rush thing. You're praying to the
Speaker 6: sun at four different times of the day, and if
Speaker 6: you start looking at it correctly, I think that you
Speaker 6: are seeing yourself actually priming or per neeal gland for
Speaker 6: the way that you're supposed to to actually get like
Speaker 6: a full potential out of it. So I think, like
Speaker 6: what she was even saying, I think you even see
Speaker 6: that in ritualistic work. Oh oh and real quick, sorry sorry,
Speaker 6: what I also wanted to add real quick And another
Speaker 6: reason why I again I thought I had something to do.
Speaker 6: I totally lost it. Sorry. Is again, even in that
Speaker 6: description when you're talking about it, you are in up
Speaker 6: barge and Toth is at the wheel. So again you
Speaker 6: have another crescent shape and you have it associated with
Speaker 6: Toth right right right.
Speaker 5: Well, even like going like in the sun four times
Speaker 5: a day to do like your ritualistic work, it gets
Speaker 5: your eyeball exposed to the sun at four different times,
Speaker 5: which is supposed to regulate your circadian rhythm and put
Speaker 5: all your hormones in a cascade in which they're supposed
Speaker 5: to function ideally and prepare you for sleep, which produces
Speaker 5: melatonin and allows all the growth and all the good
Speaker 5: things to happen.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Sorry, Julia, you were going to say, okay, oh,
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say. I didn't know. I don't
Speaker 2: know if Robbie was expecting the conversation to go this way.
Speaker 7: God damn, I mean about literally every aspect of life today.
Speaker 2: This is amazing.
Speaker 1: It's you know, like to dig into these topics, you know,
Speaker 1: especially when people know what they're talking about as far
Speaker 1: as you know, you know. So now we got into
Speaker 1: the details of the evergreen tree in regard to it
Speaker 1: being symbolic of everlasting life in spite of the death
Speaker 1: of the winner, and and oh here it is right here.
Speaker 1: We also see in the ancient character of Sylvanus, who
Speaker 1: they set up the Sylvian schools after. You see him
Speaker 1: all over New England as far as Sylvian learning, right,
Speaker 1: But he was the woodland deity of the Saturnian Golden
Speaker 1: Age that was called the god of the Pine wood.
Speaker 1: Very similar and related to Addis, right, and basically within
Speaker 1: the cult of Addis, they would have these say crew
Speaker 1: tree bears, because the symbol of Attis was represented by
Speaker 1: this tall standing pine tree fir tree, you know, depending
Speaker 1: on where you move within these these different mystery schools.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 1: And so it was on the day, the twenty second
Speaker 1: day of March being three two two right, that a
Speaker 1: pine tree was cut and brought into the sanctuary of Kibili,
Speaker 1: where it was treated as a great divine entity. The
Speaker 1: duty of carrying the tree was entrusted to a guild
Speaker 1: of tree bearers. And then we have these Zimmermen in
Speaker 1: Germany which built the cathedrals of Germany, that were called
Speaker 1: the Zimmerman, which were the tree bears as well. So
Speaker 1: just kind of tying that in right. And then also
Speaker 1: at the same time, because we have Prigia tied in
Speaker 1: with ancient Greece right in the year three two two BC,
Speaker 1: there is an ancient and eternal brotherhood of death that
Speaker 1: was formed in ancient Greece that descended from ancient Grecian
Speaker 1: society dating back to Demosthenes. And then if we look
Speaker 1: at the order of the skullen bones, right, their records.
Speaker 1: The way that they keep the records within the skull
Speaker 1: and bones, they always add three hundred and twenty two
Speaker 1: years to whatever the current date is, So I e.
Speaker 1: In nineteen fifty they would record it as Anto Demosthene
Speaker 1: twenty two seventy two. So you know, another cult or
Speaker 1: secret society here that we're seeing that's playing with the
Speaker 1: cylindrical cycle, you know. But I think definitely ties back
Speaker 1: to this ancient function and who was it. James G.
Speaker 1: Fraser in his work he talks about they would basically
Speaker 1: hollow this tree out and they would make an effigy
Speaker 1: of Addis and put it in the tree like Christ
Speaker 1: in the Sarcophaga or in the Coffin or Lazarus and
Speaker 1: the Sarcophagus, you know, and basically after three days they
Speaker 1: would resurrect the god and then burn him. And James G.
Speaker 1: Fraser said, not only did they do that with Addis,
Speaker 1: but in Egypt they'd had a very similar ritual where
Speaker 1: they would hollow out a tree and put the put
Speaker 1: you know, Osyrus in and resurrect him up his horse.
Speaker 1: So you know, we can see the ties between all
Speaker 1: these different cultures.
Speaker 3: Quick question.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't want to open up a whole entire
Speaker 7: new casserole of things. But you ever think about like
Speaker 7: Santo Spinacci, and like he says, all this stuff is
Speaker 7: the same story, just repeated over in different like even
Speaker 7: the christ story. And I hate to say that because
Speaker 7: I am a Christian, but sometimes I listen to his
Speaker 7: stuff and I'm like, God, damn, he's got a point.
Speaker 6: Listen. I will say some of his old stuff. You'll
Speaker 6: even I didn't know he was into it, even though
Speaker 6: I listened to him in the past. Some people had
Speaker 6: sent it to me after I did the Eyeball series.
Speaker 6: He has said some shit that I've even said on
Speaker 6: this show. Just for some reason, people don't remember that stuff.
Speaker 6: He has actually some shit that I think is extremely deep,
Speaker 6: and I think he understands what magic is. Maybe he's
Speaker 6: blown out from fucking with it too much now, but
Speaker 6: that man was also something at some point the.
Speaker 7: Very beginnings of his YouTube channel, Like if you go
Speaker 7: back and you watch like the first couple videos, it'll
Speaker 7: make you think about stuff in a completely different way,
Speaker 7: kind of like what Robbie is saying today. Like this
Speaker 7: story that repeats itself throughout cultures, throughout time, through with
Speaker 7: the same, like main character that does the same thing,
Speaker 7: and it aligns with the planetary system and like the zodiac,
Speaker 7: and it's it's all.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know, just it just made
Speaker 2: me think of that for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1: So now within the temple of Addis, right, the drinking
Speaker 1: of wine was not allowed at all, And there was
Speaker 1: a legend that when Addis roamed the woods with just
Speaker 1: Agnetus being Mother Kibli, who deeply loved the beautiful Addis
Speaker 1: even though not naturally adequate, while under the influence of wine,
Speaker 1: Addis confessed his love for the castrated Andrew John, in
Speaker 1: which there is some thought about this cult being against
Speaker 1: the ideas of sexual pleasure, which we talked about in
Speaker 1: purifying themselves in such a demonstrably bloody manner in regard
Speaker 1: to removing their generative organs right, and in this ritual
Speaker 1: it was also implied a sacred marriage of the initiative
Speaker 1: to the Goddess herself in the form of what they
Speaker 1: call the high ris gamos, which is basically the divine
Speaker 1: marriage of you know, the God and the goddess, or
Speaker 1: the Goddess and the mortal, or depends on. But there's
Speaker 1: this this essential idea of this bridal chamber. Right, and
Speaker 1: this was a high level initiatory right in ancient schools
Speaker 1: called the hirogami of the mysteries, in that there was
Speaker 1: a holy marriage between Addis and the goddess Mother Kibili,
Speaker 1: just as Jesus is referred to the bridegroom in multiple
Speaker 1: passages of the Bible, as in John four four through
Speaker 1: forty two, where Jesus is depicted as the bridegroom Messiah
Speaker 1: who offers eternal life, right and where I have appeared. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and in this sacred marriage. Once the sacred marriage precipitated,
Speaker 1: the initiate would become a priest or a priestess of
Speaker 1: the Goddess, potentially a high level tantric cleric devoted to
Speaker 1: the Mother, and the initiate of the cult participated in
Speaker 1: purification processes, trials and degrees of elevation, fasting, and eventually
Speaker 1: the divine marriage and the bridegroom chamber becoming a supplicant
Speaker 1: servant of the divine virgin Goddess. Clement of Alexandria, who
Speaker 1: was initiated into the cult before his Christian conversion, relates
Speaker 1: that when being indoctrinated into the Phrygian rites. He was
Speaker 1: schooled to say, I have eaten from the tambourine, I
Speaker 1: have drunk from the sybil, I have carried the keernos,
Speaker 1: I have stolen into the bridal chamber. And it basically
Speaker 1: just relates to the aspects of this sacred hieroscamos considered
Speaker 1: by the Pythagoreans to be represented by the number five
Speaker 1: being halfway, as the marriage is halfway between Earth and
Speaker 1: the heavens, being the merging of spirit and matter.
Speaker 2: Damn right, that's a mind.
Speaker 1: That's an excellent gives.
Speaker 8: Which kind of gives a nod to the Pythagoreans obsession
Speaker 8: with the number.
Speaker 1: Ten, right, the one and the zero, the void and
Speaker 1: the generative factor, the reproductive again back to the sacred
Speaker 1: mystic idea of generation.
Speaker 8: And if five being that middle point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, between heaven and Earth. Yeah yeah, definitely, definitely sooner.
Speaker 2: I feel like I need to be smarter to understand
Speaker 2: this stuff.
Speaker 1: Especially old and then you have to die.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 6: I got this over again.
Speaker 7: Even some of the stuff that Nick talks about with
Speaker 7: like becoming a magician or like what it is to
Speaker 7: be a part of like this this mystery type of
Speaker 7: religion stuff. I can't under fucking stand some of it.
Speaker 7: Like I'm like, maybe I'm just stupid.
Speaker 6: I don't know. No, you I jumped into the middle
Speaker 6: of stuff. That's why.
Speaker 1: Beginning when you're investigating the stuff, you don't understand any
Speaker 1: of it. But the more you're exposed to it, the
Speaker 1: more you begin to like see the cross references and
Speaker 1: how the dots connect, and the picture gets bigger and bigger.
Speaker 1: It's a gradual learning process. It takes years and years
Speaker 1: and years to go through.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Then you just realize you know nothing and you're like, okay,
Speaker 2: right down again.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But that's what I was gonna say. Even where
Speaker 1: I'm at now, after all these years of study, I'm
Speaker 1: constantly coming into certain concepts and ideas where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I have no idea what this means. And so you know,
Speaker 1: you delve into it. You kind of you know, wash
Speaker 1: yourself in it and kind of try to understand what
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: So that it's so vast and so beautiful. It's amazing tapestry.
Speaker 5: And I think sometimes those humans were like, we're on
Speaker 5: looking at the tapestry like too close, because because we
Speaker 5: have such a small perspective, right, But it's like God
Speaker 5: has the wide view and he's like, don't worry, it's okay.
Speaker 5: You know, it's gonna all work out or whatever your
Speaker 5: viewpoint is. That's why it all looks different.
Speaker 7: Literally, there's a song about that, and uh, you probably
Speaker 7: watched the Teresa, Prince of Egypt when he goes and
Speaker 7: he he meets his wife in the desert, the Ethiopian
Speaker 7: lady and her dad is like, you know, everything is
Speaker 7: a tapestry and all the colors make up the entire picture.
Speaker 2: That's that's how I feel.
Speaker 7: Even like with podcasting and meeting like people like Jen
Speaker 7: and Nick and Robbie, it's like their perspective is so
Speaker 7: different than mine that it opens me up to like
Speaker 7: all a ton of different possibilities of what's what reality
Speaker 7: really is?
Speaker 1: You know it is, yeah, and the mindscape is infinite,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's the finite versus the infinite all
Speaker 1: within us.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: So now it was after this sacred marriage and the
Speaker 1: castration would happen. If you get into the Roman stories,
Speaker 1: you know, basically it was called the day of Blood.
Speaker 1: It was one of the festival seasons that they would
Speaker 1: have and on the day of blood. They would work
Speaker 1: up to it and they would castrate themselves in a frenzy.
Speaker 1: They you know, doing these dances and they have these
Speaker 1: swords and they're cutting themselves. Blood's going everywhere. And at
Speaker 1: the height of that day of blood was when they
Speaker 1: would separate themselves from their generative force basically, and they
Speaker 1: would throw it through a window as they were running
Speaker 1: through the streets, and whoever's window it went in had
Speaker 1: to basically get women's clothes and make up and all
Speaker 1: the stuff for first aid and go out and like
Speaker 1: take care of them and put the divine feminine sacred
Speaker 1: garments on them and put makeup on them, and then
Speaker 1: they would become risen as a high priest of Mother Kibli.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 1: So, and then it was at an unspecified time in
Speaker 1: the ancient Notes of Scalia that discussed the chambers of
Speaker 1: Lobring as being sacred subterranean places where the worshipers of
Speaker 1: Attis and Rhea had in uh had Oh, who had
Speaker 1: emasculated themselves, used to come to deposit their genitals. Right
Speaker 1: mar Chius Mincius Felix in his Octavius relates that these
Speaker 1: broken instruments of fertility were afterward reverently wrapped up and
Speaker 1: buried in the earth in subterranean chambers sacred to Kibili.
Speaker 1: And then this goes back to James G. Frasier that
Speaker 1: postulates that we may conjecture that in the olden days,
Speaker 1: the priests who bore the name and played the part
Speaker 1: of Attis at the spring festival of Kibili was regularly
Speaker 1: hanged or otherwise slain upon the sacred tree, just as Balder,
Speaker 1: the Beautiful and the making.
Speaker 7: What this is something else that's repeated throughout multiple you know,
Speaker 7: getting into Kennedy and you know what happened to.
Speaker 8: Not to be graphic, but what happened to the Genitalia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they would they would go to this place called
Speaker 1: the Lobraine and basically they would take these uh, these
Speaker 1: units as they were wrapped up, and then they probably
Speaker 1: cleaned them and wrap them and then they would bury
Speaker 1: them in the earth. And I would imagine it has
Speaker 1: something to do with fertility, you know. I know at
Speaker 1: the Tower of London when they would castraight people, they
Speaker 1: would actually throw their members into the courtyard for the
Speaker 1: ravens to devour.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I guess circumcisions sounds so bad.
Speaker 1: Compared to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, at least you still have some
Speaker 2: of it left.
Speaker 6: I can't.
Speaker 8: I can see its.
Speaker 6: Imagine that, like, yeah, they take one wolf and it
Speaker 6: falls out of its beak and hit somebody on the head.
Speaker 3: God.
Speaker 1: So but now, what we have to under stand within
Speaker 1: this whole process, right, that this process was generally seen
Speaker 1: as being a voluntary process entering willingly for the transmutation
Speaker 1: in a secret manner of ascension. This harvesting of the
Speaker 1: green corn is what they call this in some of
Speaker 1: the text, shot the mind into a death or a
Speaker 1: near deathlike experience. Right, and let's see creating a sense
Speaker 1: of transformation, salvation and illumination of a divine madness of sorts,
Speaker 1: which Plato gets into extensively, but sot to guard. He
Speaker 1: believed that the unique priests put themselves in a permanent limity,
Speaker 1: irreversibly placing themselves outside of ordinary human nature, being neither
Speaker 1: gods nor men, but something in between.
Speaker 8: So wow, okay, I have I have a question, and
Speaker 8: Jen you're branding to correct me. So this, this belief system,
Speaker 8: this practice originated Mediterranean esque, Right, I was worn original?
Speaker 1: Good?
Speaker 8: It didn't corn originate in the Americas.
Speaker 4: So that's what is said. But in my own personal
Speaker 4: experience with and maybe I think maybe you have had
Speaker 4: this experience too, some of the things that they say
Speaker 4: are indigenous plants that they actually have a much more
Speaker 4: universal distribution, because a really great example of this is
Speaker 4: actually detera. They used to say, oh, detera in no
Speaker 4: Oxia is the only American variety, but actually we have
Speaker 4: all three kinds that appear in the Americas and have
Speaker 4: for a very long time, perhaps pre European colonization. So
Speaker 4: but this also appears in India and all three kinds,
Speaker 4: and then also appears in all the him and all
Speaker 4: of Asia, because we know we have medical Chinese medical
Speaker 4: texts from three thousand years ago that actually detail the
Speaker 4: use of it, so we know these things must have
Speaker 4: been universal rather than geographically limited. So I don't I
Speaker 4: don't know to answer your question, like really properly, Lisa,
Speaker 4: Like I don't know if if I'm going to give
Speaker 4: a theory, I actually think that probably they did originate,
Speaker 4: like I think corn and tomatoes probably did originate in
Speaker 4: Mexico or the Southwest area, but maybe there was other
Speaker 4: points of contact. And obviously JJ was talking about.
Speaker 1: This like with the templars and the so like, when
Speaker 1: you get into that that idea, I've come across numerous
Speaker 1: places where they say that the Egyptians called wheat corn,
Speaker 1: So you know, it may have been just and corn
Speaker 1: is a grass, as wheat as a grass, so maybe
Speaker 1: any of these fruit producing grasses at one time were
Speaker 1: called corn. But as far as other areas of connection,
Speaker 1: you know, you have within the Egyptian the hieroglyphs representations
Speaker 1: of pineapples from South America. They're bringing cocaine from South
Speaker 1: America to preserve the pharaoh's heart within. And I actually
Speaker 1: have seen a couple places where they have ears of
Speaker 1: corn in Egyptian hieroglyphs. So yeah, I think it's synonymous.
Speaker 1: I think there was a global culture that was that
Speaker 1: was moving much more than we think possible.
Speaker 7: Yeah, if you watch enough ancient Aliens, you'll learn that
Speaker 7: wheat and corn came from Aliens, and everybody had this
Speaker 7: shit at one point, and so specifically wheat and corn
Speaker 7: are Alien. Yep, I'm not saying I'm not saying that's
Speaker 7: my opinion. I'm just saying what Asia Alien said.
Speaker 4: No, I think that's a great point though, Julia is
Speaker 4: because one thing that well, like Robbie said, like corn
Speaker 4: is a poechet, it's a grass family plant. So there
Speaker 4: are other grass family plants are actually extremely important for
Speaker 4: human history. Like many of the grass family plants are edible.
Speaker 4: One of the first grains in Asia was called jobs
Speaker 4: t here. Well obviously they didn't call it jobs here,
Speaker 4: but we call it jobs here. And that's a very nutritive,
Speaker 4: very medicinal, actually edible grain. That's I eat it all
Speaker 4: the time. It's very delicious. It's not a gross or anything.
Speaker 4: So but I'm just what I'm trying to say is that,
Speaker 4: like you look at the history, it's like millet, it's
Speaker 4: like it's it's not exactly the wheat culture came much
Speaker 4: much later. And so yeah, and I and I think
Speaker 4: that the grass component is actually often overlooked by a
Speaker 4: lot of like a Bible conspiracy. I'm not throwing Christians
Speaker 4: at it anyway, just saying Bible conspiracy people, and just
Speaker 4: in general, I'll call it like as Nick would say,
Speaker 4: oh call it conspiracy. But I think that they they
Speaker 4: don't really know Bodny. And I'm not saying you have
Speaker 4: to be like I'm not an excellent bulliness myself. I'm
Speaker 4: just saying, if you understand some of the connections between them,
Speaker 4: you can actually make more logical conclusions. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also if you get into the early Judaic texts,
Speaker 1: they talk about basically when Adam was ejected from Paradise,
Speaker 1: that he was sent into the lowest realm of darkness
Speaker 1: and had to suffer down there before they he was
Speaker 1: weeping in prayer and they finally brought him up to
Speaker 1: this realm where we are now. And then he had
Speaker 1: a problem getting food and was just he tried to
Speaker 1: drown himself in the river and God had to bring
Speaker 1: him back to life, and he was crying because he
Speaker 1: was hungry, and so one of the angels went to
Speaker 1: God and basically it was like, you know, he's starving,
Speaker 1: what are we going to do? And God or the
Speaker 1: Elohim basically took part of his own body and like
Speaker 1: rubbed it and condensed it down into the very first
Speaker 1: weak germ or the weak kernel, and then the angel
Speaker 1: brought that to Adam, and then Adam became the first farmer,
Speaker 1: you know, associated with the red earth. And then the
Speaker 1: bread is what fed the growing, growing in expanding civilization.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say.
Speaker 7: Wheat is mentioned so many times in the Bible as
Speaker 7: being spiritually significant, the wheat and the tears. You're right, yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: I do think it's spiritually significant, especially if it comes
Speaker 7: from Aliens.
Speaker 5: Fine, it's just interesting that, like you're saying, Adam's own
Speaker 5: flesh then became wheat, because then you have Christ becoming
Speaker 5: the Eucharist in the mask.
Speaker 1: Well, it was God's flesh that became weak.
Speaker 2: Oh, God's flesh. Okay, Oh, so then that makes sense that, like,
Speaker 2: you know, it makes more sense. Yeah, exactly, Okay, pack to.
Speaker 1: Melt cheese a dick with the bread and the wine
Speaker 1: and the first sacrament. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: So now.
Speaker 1: Let's see, uh, like Adam as far as this figure
Speaker 1: that would demasculate and be risen to the state of
Speaker 1: you know, the priestess of the Kibili cult, right, like
Speaker 1: addis the demasculated disciple emulates the secret of the Mother
Speaker 1: of the mountains, and this secret of Kibili is that
Speaker 1: she is the hermaphroditic Agdatus, who herself was emasculated by
Speaker 1: a messenger of the gods. As we talked about earlier
Speaker 1: and in the Hittite religion before we're looking at sixteen
Speaker 1: hundred to eleven eighty BC. Agdatus is also their sacred hermaphrodite.
Speaker 1: So it's just let me read this last paragraph and
Speaker 1: then this wrap it up. In some ways, it seems
Speaker 1: as though Addis and Kibyli were an older form of
Speaker 1: this fertility worship that from Phrygia in its trans translation
Speaker 1: to Syria becoming Adonis and Aphrodite and to the figures
Speaker 1: bring us closer to the original.
Speaker 4: Route of the.
Speaker 1: The origins of these mystery schools, you know, in essence
Speaker 1: in relation to nimrod Tamus Osirius and the expanding you
Speaker 1: know school as it spread globally. And that's it.
Speaker 2: Wow, So barn Burner, Robbie, I mean literally you crushed.
Speaker 2: It always does.
Speaker 1: So. But that's basically what I've been working on this Swinner.
Speaker 1: That's that's part of the book that uh you know,
Speaker 1: parts of that are direct excerpts from from my book.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that's awesome. I mean, I feel like
Speaker 2: I learned a ton that's what I'm here.
Speaker 1: That's that's great.
Speaker 6: Something I did want to add about the whole wheat thing,
Speaker 6: and I mean, Lisa could concur and Soko Teresa because
Speaker 6: she was in the series, so she knows what I'm
Speaker 6: talking about. I'm not crazy, but we did at one
Speaker 6: point kind of like show like what the zambules is
Speaker 6: in looks like underneath in your eye, and it does
Speaker 6: very much look like a wheat or almost depending on
Speaker 6: what the way you're looking at it, and if you're
Speaker 6: showing I think like there's like pole up things kind
Speaker 6: of in there, almost looks like a lavender, which again
Speaker 6: is associated with total The zamnials is in in your
Speaker 6: eye is what actually makes your lens raise up and down,
Speaker 6: and that's when you get the whole change and everything
Speaker 6: starts going on inside your eye. I even question when
Speaker 6: we talk about your so being the machinery or the
Speaker 6: imagery of the world. I often wonder, and it's called
Speaker 6: that you're considered a machine or a mechanism in a sense,
Speaker 6: or I from wonder if it's actually talking about that,
Speaker 6: because that is actually what's changing the direction of light
Speaker 6: in your eye, if it's reflecting out this way or
Speaker 6: going back up that way. So I often wonder about
Speaker 6: like wheat when it's always you see it always kind
Speaker 6: of in a circular shape and you're talking about rising
Speaker 6: bread on leaven is it actually showing the whole rising
Speaker 6: the lens in your eye? I know that's a little
Speaker 6: out there. And then just one thing I wanted to
Speaker 6: mention before you know, everybody else says whatever, before we
Speaker 6: wrap it up with this image right here. If you
Speaker 6: see that, uh, the thing on top of his head,
Speaker 6: that's exactly what it starts to look like when I
Speaker 6: say the eclipse starts to separate from itself. And during
Speaker 6: that whole time it's a little bit much. But this
Speaker 6: is just my theory because of my own experiences, of
Speaker 6: my own visions. During that whole time, I'm always pressing
Speaker 6: on my pineal gland really fucking hard, and once those
Speaker 6: two things separate from each other, it feels like it
Speaker 6: snaps back and punches me in the head. And that's
Speaker 6: when I see the light and it goes. I often
Speaker 6: think about the whole way that a snake fights, goes
Speaker 6: forward to strike and pulls back when it's in flight,
Speaker 6: fight in the flight at the same at the same time,
Speaker 6: just like Horace, who is a bird that is a warrior,
Speaker 6: flight and fight at the same time. And I also
Speaker 6: conclude that that's exactly why my eyes changed because one
Speaker 6: is in fight mode and the other one's in flight
Speaker 6: mode at the same time.
Speaker 4: Right, So that's the sorry, go ahead, Oh sorry about that.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I was so excited after you were saying that,
Speaker 4: because I was like, yeah, I mean, that just shows
Speaker 4: that having the magical experience is as good as as
Speaker 4: like understanding the image, because that's what it looks like,
Speaker 4: a cruscent moon, but it's really the eclipse. And only
Speaker 4: someone who really knows would know that, like a normative
Speaker 4: Hindu won't know that. I won't be able to tell you, oh,
Speaker 4: it's a crust the moon if Siva not, it's the eclipse.
Speaker 4: And even the snake confirms it, because the snake is
Speaker 4: the god of the eclipse, right like the dragon Rahu.
Speaker 6: So I think you don't even switching the coilarities at
Speaker 6: that point, which is why I.
Speaker 4: Get to exactly. And so he's even depicted as feminine
Speaker 4: Shiva even though he's a he's a clearly a masculine figure,
Speaker 4: so he's gone through that hermetic process. He's a risen
Speaker 4: at yasoda at the moon, and the Shakti is there
Speaker 4: waiting for him, the feminine force at the moon is
Speaker 4: there waiting for him, but it's really always with him,
Speaker 4: but maybe she can't express herself fully until she's there.
Speaker 4: So I think that's a really interesting idea.
Speaker 6: It's like his soul poorn out of your head too.
Speaker 6: I always say it feels like it's just fucking like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, that's that's what it is. It's like when
Speaker 4: they worship Shiva, who could be considered to be like
Speaker 4: Ihova or Rudra, he can they pour milk on his ushhijaya,
Speaker 4: which just means his crown on it is that that's
Speaker 4: the big bun thing that he wears. It's like a
Speaker 4: it's it's like a lump of flesh. Sometimes is described
Speaker 4: sometimes it's like a dreadlock.
Speaker 1: It depends on the text.
Speaker 4: But it's to pas to fy the arising consciousness at
Speaker 4: you so like to pacify him so he's cool and calm,
Speaker 4: like the moon. So that's what the whole thing of
Speaker 4: the milk is. It's like pouring milk over the black stone.
Speaker 4: What color does arise? Turquoise? Turquoise like the day sky.
Speaker 4: So you're putting God to sleep. That's kind of the idea.
Speaker 6: So thank you. This is a great illustration man, anybody
Speaker 6: else have anything, I know, I kind of like took
Speaker 6: it over and got were right there.
Speaker 1: That's good.
Speaker 2: I was just going to say something about the wheat
Speaker 2: because you brought.
Speaker 7: It up to it's one of the most genetically modified
Speaker 7: things that we have, and it's it's a damn shame
Speaker 7: because I love pasta, you know, and.
Speaker 2: I love bread. I loves carbs.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's a genetic like we've eaten bread for as
Speaker 1: long as human as you know, can record history. I
Speaker 1: think it's just part of who and the fact that
Speaker 1: they've taken it and genetically modified it is an adulteration
Speaker 1: and inversion of nature.
Speaker 2: It's an attack on us, Robbie, is what it is.
Speaker 7: Because the problem right well, and the problem is I've
Speaker 7: been looking into it a lot lately, is that, like
Speaker 7: Monsanto and stuff like this, they they have popularized the
Speaker 7: idea of spraying all wheat products with folic acid, which
Speaker 7: your body can't even digest most of the time. It
Speaker 7: causes horrible health issues fortified. If you see something on
Speaker 7: a label that says enriched wheat, fortified wheat, or folic acid,
Speaker 7: you need to stay the fuck away from it as
Speaker 7: far as you possibly can. The only type of wheat
Speaker 7: you should be eating should be organic wheat that's unfortified,
Speaker 7: not enriched, no folic acid.
Speaker 2: There is a form of.
Speaker 7: Fullic acid quote unquote that's not full of acid that
Speaker 7: your body can't absorb, but that's not what they're using.
Speaker 7: So it's just been weaponized against us, so that it's
Speaker 7: basically poison, which sucks, like I said, because America is
Speaker 7: a nation that loves carbs.
Speaker 8: You know, it's interesting when you said so folic acid
Speaker 8: was incorporated into wheat because wheat was a staple because
Speaker 8: so many of birth defects, and folic acid is folate,
Speaker 8: you know, whis the B vitamin, and most of your
Speaker 8: B vitamins are derived from animal products. But if you
Speaker 8: look at historical genetic lines and gen police interjective, I'm wrong.
Speaker 8: When you look at historical lines of wheat as well
Speaker 8: as corn, most of the ancient lines had a higher
Speaker 8: protein content than they do today. They were almost a
Speaker 8: complete meal or complete foods, a higher amino acid profile
Speaker 8: than they do today. And through so many modifications, all
Speaker 8: of the nutrient content has been brought down. And that's
Speaker 8: also because of soil. The same type of things that
Speaker 8: we grow back in the day used to warm your
Speaker 8: house with wood and the ashes would go into the
Speaker 8: soil and then basically, you know, feed more of the
Speaker 8: microbiome of the soil and then you you know whatever.
Speaker 8: But if you do look at that, I wonder how
Speaker 8: much of it is. Maybe that it was a way
Speaker 8: to interject the vitamins, but maybe be vitamins were also
Speaker 8: not being how do you say they were stripped of
Speaker 8: wheat in its plant form. Granted, you know, I get
Speaker 8: the need for it, but I think what we've done
Speaker 8: is and Robb me, you do this perfectly on Twitter.
Speaker 8: It's the simulacra what wheat used to be.
Speaker 1: It's no longer. Yeah, like this fake shadows, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: as the valuable thing that is, but it's not the
Speaker 1: shadow of its former self.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: But when we get into wheat, right in the beginning,
Speaker 1: the very first time it was genetically modified, was they
Speaker 1: took and there was the same guy that genetically modified
Speaker 1: the ruby red grapefruit. Right, but they used gamma radiation
Speaker 1: on the genome of wheat and basically bombarded it with
Speaker 1: radiation these gamma rays, and they created bush wheat that
Speaker 1: would grow faster and would bush out with bigger kernels.
Speaker 1: So here you're talking about getting rid of the pro
Speaker 1: the profile of the essential you know, protein and the
Speaker 1: amino acids, and and basically they poof it out super
Speaker 1: big so that they have to harvest it early before
Speaker 1: it's even done, otherwise it breaks off and they can't
Speaker 1: harvest it with machines. But the guy that did that,
Speaker 1: he won a Nobel Peace Prize in Food Science for
Speaker 1: basically creating this this big bush gmo wheat. And that
Speaker 1: was in the fifties when that happened initially. And since then,
Speaker 1: you know, Monsanto's come in and with their cassettes injected
Speaker 1: nud genomes for the glycopade, so they have to spray
Speaker 1: everything with it so that it kills everything.
Speaker 7: But that I was going to say that is like
Speaker 7: they've just taken it one step further, one step further.
Speaker 7: Now it's like an unrecognizable plant, but frank and wheat, right.
Speaker 7: But think of it like if it was like manna
Speaker 7: from heaven, you know, like this, Think of it if
Speaker 7: if it really was given to us by the gods
Speaker 7: quote unquote wheat, this thing that you can eat that
Speaker 7: has all the vitamins and protein and like whatever, it'll
Speaker 7: keep you alive, and they they've bastardized it to the
Speaker 7: form of wheat that we eat now. And it's like
Speaker 7: I said, I'm like a super label reader because I
Speaker 7: do enjoy some things that are absolutely super you know,
Speaker 7: like I'll throw in a stove fer SMC and cheese
Speaker 7: every now and again. Don't get me wrong, but.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I have bought that one myself. It's not too bad.
Speaker 2: Actually, dude, it's delicious, like solid.
Speaker 1: Make it delicious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they make its good on that.
Speaker 4: I don't understand this conversation. I'm totally granola, but that's okay.
Speaker 5: Uh No.
Speaker 4: I did want to say something that Teresa was talking
Speaker 4: about in that chat, which is really profound, which is
Speaker 4: like exactly what Robbie's saying. Like Robby's making a great
Speaker 4: point about wheat, and then obviously Lisa made an amazing
Speaker 4: point about how they stripped it of its nutrients content. Well,
Speaker 4: papaya they did the same because you cannot modern papias.
Speaker 4: If you've ever eaten a papaya or anything papaya flavored
Speaker 4: that only comes out of the GMO industry, there is
Speaker 4: no papaya without GMO does not exist now can you
Speaker 4: go to Mexico and find wild papias. Yeah, I'm sure
Speaker 4: it's possible, but it's very rare, and they've cross bread
Speaker 4: a lot with the wild papaya population. Now, papias are
Speaker 4: really interesting because you can actually use them for latex.
Speaker 4: So the assex did make condoms out of them, so prophylactic.
Speaker 4: It's also interesting because in doctrine of signatures, a papaya
Speaker 4: is shaped like a womb, so there are actually a
Speaker 4: borisiceafin qualities in the poppane latex. So again it's showing
Speaker 4: like what Julia is saying, like it's manna from I
Speaker 4: personally don't like that. It's not that I disagree with you, Julia,
Speaker 4: but I think that we come up with those things
Speaker 4: like we say, oh, we see this thing in nature,
Speaker 4: we take of it and we sort of you know,
Speaker 4: breed it, you could say, and then that's the divine process.
Speaker 4: It's like our interaction with that's how that's just personally
Speaker 4: my my how I think. So, yeah, I think it
Speaker 4: comes from heaven.
Speaker 1: But so do you think? Yeah?
Speaker 3: So Jin?
Speaker 1: Do you think the genetic process of genetic modification is
Speaker 1: just part of the fractal that is a natural function
Speaker 1: of the evolution.
Speaker 4: No, because because the what isn't see Oh, as a gardener,
Speaker 4: I'm perfectly fine with hybridizing. I'm perfectly fine during like
Speaker 4: land race species, Like that's just normal plant horticulture, right,
Speaker 4: You're you're making things that are going to survive, be
Speaker 4: really strong and last, especially for us like severe winters. Right,
Speaker 4: So it makes total sense. But there's a part where
Speaker 4: you're going into this inner or secret layer right right,
Speaker 4: like this thing that people can't see this, people that
Speaker 4: can't really know you can't really know that because it's
Speaker 4: occulted in a way, right, And so I don't think
Speaker 4: that that is like a progressive thing. I think that's
Speaker 4: very Luciferian. As someone who is like a little bit
Speaker 4: Luciferian myself, Like, I'm just saying I think it's too much.
Speaker 4: I think it's like you're trying to be something that
Speaker 4: is not possible for us.
Speaker 2: So for me, I'm interesting. Yeah, No, I'm sorry to
Speaker 2: interrupt you.
Speaker 5: It's interesting that like the two plants that they've mastardized
Speaker 5: the most is like very regenerative looking wheat and papaya,
Speaker 5: Like come on, And as somebody who's like, yeah, and corn, right,
Speaker 5: and somebody who's done carnivore diet in the past and
Speaker 5: like removed all breads like from my life for a time.
Speaker 5: I don't like fully do it now, but like for
Speaker 5: a time I did. And I can say I think
Speaker 5: what happens to a lot of people is that their
Speaker 5: autoimmune issues disappear because they're actually allergic to glyfe estate,
Speaker 5: not wheat, Like you're just removing like all these talks
Speaker 5: in It's not that actually like wheat is the problem
Speaker 5: for you if you were to eat pure wheat. It's
Speaker 5: that all the additives and chemicals on the plants that
Speaker 5: we consume is the problem. And for some people, unfortunately,
Speaker 5: they're more sensitive to it than others.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you be funny.
Speaker 4: No, I just want to say, vegetables actually do better
Speaker 4: without much. Like flowers need tons of composts, they need mulching,
Speaker 4: they need everything. Like you really have to tend flowers.
Speaker 4: Vegetables just need composts or which we call it, or manure,
Speaker 4: and then you're good to go, like you're ready to rock.
Speaker 4: You don't need to spray them really with anything. If
Speaker 4: you know how to do it, you're fine pretty much.
Speaker 4: Maybe you'll lose a couple. But it's just that's interesting
Speaker 4: from what you're saying. True says like that you don't
Speaker 4: have to finesse vegetables that much. They're ready. They want
Speaker 4: to produce like willing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just like you could eat me if you want.
Speaker 2: It's fine.
Speaker 8: Is going to build upon what Jim was saying, and
Speaker 8: I promise this will be the last thing about victuals
Speaker 8: is that GMO technology or how it came about is
Speaker 8: through the we borrow that the I guess process through
Speaker 8: virus technology. The way that viruses scan the DNA they're
Speaker 8: looking for palindromes again, going back to the palindrome right
Speaker 8: when we watched the movie Arrival, how palindromes basically are
Speaker 8: modeling how time can exist, you know, all at the
Speaker 8: same time. So viruses scan the DNA sequence for palindromes
Speaker 8: and then it inserts point mutations, either takes away or
Speaker 8: inserts its own or whatever. And so that I guess
Speaker 8: technology of how it works or how it behaves is
Speaker 8: exactly the basis of how we understood to do GMO.
Speaker 8: So we learned that from viruses. So when people say
Speaker 8: viruses aren't real, then where do we get the GMO
Speaker 8: technology from That's that's how we That's how we developed
Speaker 8: GMO technology.
Speaker 2: And so I gotta say that was the whole thing.
Speaker 7: Did you are you guys fans of the alien franchise
Speaker 7: like Covenant and Promethea, when they went and Alien Covenant
Speaker 7: to that new planet, like they were looking for wheat,
Speaker 7: they were looking for water, and they had manufactured like
Speaker 7: this virus that would shoot up out of the wheat
Speaker 7: and it would like go in your fucking ear and
Speaker 7: implant you with like whatever the thing is. But like
Speaker 7: that's the essentially what they're doing is they're taking like
Speaker 7: our basic life force of like wheat water there and
Speaker 7: they're injecting.
Speaker 2: It with weird stuff.
Speaker 7: And I actually just watched this documentary and they said,
Speaker 7: if you eat pasta in Italy, you could go for
Speaker 7: like a fucking jog afterwards. Experience you don't feel bogged down,
Speaker 7: you don't feel sluggish, you don't feel tired. And it's
Speaker 7: because they don't fortify or enrich their wheat products. It's
Speaker 7: just wheat. So if you can get there is a brand.
Speaker 7: I get it sometimes at my local grocery store. But
Speaker 7: if you can get imported pastas from Italy. They are
Speaker 7: way the fuck better for you than getting like Berea
Speaker 7: or whatever that fucking brand.
Speaker 2: Is that they have at Walmart, Like, try to stay
Speaker 2: away from that shit.
Speaker 7: But I am only saying this because I love spaghetti, Like,
Speaker 7: please do not fuck with my carbs, like I love carbs,
Speaker 7: don't fuck with my carbs. There are brands you can
Speaker 7: get that are not fortified or enriched, that are organic
Speaker 7: imported from Italy, and it does make a difference, just saying.
Speaker 6: I say for sure. When I was there, I mean
Speaker 6: all again, obviously you're in Italy, there is a lot
Speaker 6: of pasta and I was like, oh, man, like I
Speaker 6: don't want to be you know, I'm on vacation. I
Speaker 6: want to be dragged down at all. You know, I
Speaker 6: heard the same thing that you had said and I
Speaker 6: experienced it. I mean I would eat a big plate,
Speaker 6: you know, I'd have lasagna for lunch, and I was
Speaker 6: on the go still, you know, walking around Rome like
Speaker 6: I feel full, but I'm that fucking stuff.
Speaker 2: You'll lose weight.
Speaker 6: There was I'm almost positive I did.
Speaker 2: For the ten days much carbs and still be fine.
Speaker 1: Do you think that has to do with the beer
Speaker 1: as well? In America. Oh but this is so many.
Speaker 2: Things, guys, is a whole other episode.
Speaker 1: Germany has purity laws and you know, whereas in America
Speaker 1: it's like food science.
Speaker 4: You know, when when Nick brought on the NDE guy,
Speaker 4: he was talking and Lisa was on. I can't I
Speaker 4: can't remember golf was on. I know it was Nick
Speaker 4: and Lisa for sure, Yeah, him, he we were. He
Speaker 4: was talking about something like plants that contain a specific substance.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, lest I totally forgot now, but I remember
Speaker 4: thinking myself the substance he's talking about hops also.
Speaker 1: Contained Oh is it the cannabinoids?
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, yes, thank you, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hops is in the cannabinoid family for sure.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yep.
Speaker 4: And so it's really interesting that they would obviously if
Speaker 4: you tamper with the wheat, and it's not just it's
Speaker 4: not just like beer, it's also soy sauce. I guess
Speaker 4: someone who doesn't eat any gluten. I know that you
Speaker 4: have to carry your tomorrow with you basically if you're
Speaker 4: gonna eat anything. One of those people that.
Speaker 8: Tapped into the whole phytoestrogen thing because of soy and.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so they also trying to reclaim aluminum out
Speaker 1: of the ground. They can come out of the soy
Speaker 1: can come out of the ground with upwards of twenty
Speaker 1: two percent aluminum within its makeup. That's why you have
Speaker 1: to ferment it. That's why the fermentation process of soy
Speaker 1: is so essential.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great point, Robbie.
Speaker 2: With my g I man, but you have to eat.
Speaker 1: You can't eat it like a mom.
Speaker 2: They yeah, yeahs my ass off.
Speaker 6: Oh wow, you have to eat it.
Speaker 4: You have to process. It has to be a secondary
Speaker 4: process because tofu is just the pressing, the cold pressing
Speaker 4: right of the beans my grandparents used to make. Yeah,
Speaker 4: So basically you have to you have to cook it.
Speaker 4: Plus I don't you don't know have to cook it,
Speaker 4: but you have to apply some kind of fermentation or
Speaker 4: or or you eat it with like dropping These people
Speaker 4: eat it with tons of pickled ginger. So that's obviously
Speaker 4: gonna have like a carmentative effects exactly.
Speaker 2: So that's why I love delicious. To me, I love it.
Speaker 2: I feel like probiotics do the body good.
Speaker 6: I haven't had that.
Speaker 1: It's good stuff.
Speaker 2: Do you like vinegar, well, you like like apple cider?
Speaker 2: Vinegar or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Yes, So when when Lazarus was raised from the dead,
Speaker 1: they gave him a sponge with a vinegar drink, and
Speaker 1: from the research I've done, yeah, I'm pretty sure it'skombacha.
Speaker 2: It has to be right because it's like the fermented vinegar.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Wasn't that what they gave Jesus on the Cross?
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, yeah, roll or something like that I think
Speaker 7: is what they called it. But yeah, it was, but
Speaker 7: it was a healing kind of a healing drink drink. Yeah. See,
Speaker 7: if Jesus drink kimbucha, everything should be able to get
Speaker 7: on board with that ship.
Speaker 4: There's something interesting, Julia, is that fermented food is actually
Speaker 4: considered mossic food, meaning like almost sinful food because it
Speaker 4: actually brings you down to Earth. It's not sinful per se,
Speaker 4: but that's one interpretation of Thomas. It can it weighs
Speaker 4: you down, It makes you weightier. That's more of a
Speaker 4: earthier Yeah, earthier. That's a perfect though.
Speaker 2: It makes you more con.
Speaker 7: I'm from the South, so pickled pigs, feet, pickled eggs,
Speaker 7: anything fermented, I'm getting down with that show.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: My Instagram fet is the middle aged women touting the
Speaker 5: benefits of fermented food to mimic.
Speaker 2: All in moderation, right, yeah for sure, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah I agree. I agree. And Robbie, look what you've
Speaker 2: done today.
Speaker 6: Look at this. That was awesome. Thank you very much, Robbie,
Speaker 6: really everybody else that the group.
Speaker 1: Of everybody trying in and all the different perspectives a
Speaker 1: modern day gymnasium of h absolutely love it.
Speaker 6: Thank you. Uh, before we let you plug your stuff again,
Speaker 6: we'll have Teresa. Would you like to say anything as
Speaker 6: we wrap this up? You want to plug your show?
Speaker 6: I know you haven't done much recently, but.
Speaker 5: I've been busy doing the Silly Pops and stuff. But yeah,
Speaker 5: I do have the Spiritual Gangsters. If people want to
Speaker 5: go listen to old episodes, there's they're still getting.
Speaker 2: Listened, so like that's cool.
Speaker 5: Thanks for checking it out, and yeah, please check out
Speaker 5: Silly Pops on my Instagram and website and whatever. You
Speaker 5: can always DM me about it. And yeah, thank you
Speaker 5: so much, Robbie. It was like a blast is always
Speaker 5: so always I enjoy hanging out for sure.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Cardinal, and thank you to the whole group.
Speaker 4: It was amazing, like a really fun roundtable like a
Speaker 4: really great way to sort of like before Robbie goes
Speaker 4: on tour. Yeah, really, I don't know.
Speaker 1: You can see my right there.
Speaker 8: It's pat hilarious.
Speaker 1: I'm out the boor in three days.
Speaker 6: So I was trying to get a date from him
Speaker 6: in July and he's like, I do I I conna
Speaker 6: be home too, like.
Speaker 4: A like.
Speaker 1: Almost September.
Speaker 4: So yeah, but I will take the opportunity to plug
Speaker 4: at this end juncture and say that, yeah, you can
Speaker 4: definitely listen to my throat show. Threshold Saints. Alex Rivera
Speaker 4: will be my next episode drop and it actually turned
Speaker 4: out really well, I you know, so I'm I'm really
Speaker 4: proud of it, and there will be a part two
Speaker 4: to that and then obviously welcome to Hapaboria. So it's
Speaker 4: this like the Gonzo Gnostics series that I've been working
Speaker 4: on on on X and we do live and we
Speaker 4: talked about Cocola and Tontra and speculative narcissism and metafiction.
Speaker 4: So we're on either Wave part one, so that'll be
Speaker 4: a three part mini series within a series. So I'm
Speaker 4: doing it very kabalas stick, very like you know, like
Speaker 4: how I like I'm taking a cue from Nick. So
Speaker 4: definitely check that out if you're interested. Live every Friday
Speaker 4: night on X and uh right before before jjshow before
Speaker 4: JJ and Nick two Fridays, so don't worry about that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you can watch us and then jump on
Speaker 4: with them. So thank you so much, guys, Thank you.
Speaker 6: I was gonna I was gonna plug anyway. For people
Speaker 6: who are who do do that, I do highly suggest
Speaker 6: to go check out his spaces. I've jumped in there
Speaker 6: numerous times a few times, and I'll listen to it
Speaker 6: like why I'm editing or doing stuff, and they get
Speaker 6: into some pretty deep topics. So I definitely suggest to
Speaker 6: go check it out. I think it's very well. So
Speaker 6: thank you Jen, Thank you Bos of course. Uh, Julia,
Speaker 6: would you like to uh you don't let everybody know
Speaker 6: where they can find you? Amazing one.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, so I'm obviously Cosmic Peach podcast wherever you
Speaker 7: listen to podcasts. I'm just gonna go ahead and throw
Speaker 7: my email out right now because I always say email me,
Speaker 7: email me. My email is ghost dot Peach at outlook
Speaker 7: dot com. If you want to work with me, please
Speaker 7: hit me up at that email. I'm working on a
Speaker 7: sleeper else this mini series. And I actually have another
Speaker 7: topic that I kind of want to bring on the
Speaker 7: Occult Rejects when it's ready. I just got to finish
Speaker 7: the presentation about a fucking whack ass serial killer I
Speaker 7: never heard of before that has links to all the
Speaker 7: fucking three Letters, and I mean it is just batshit crazy.
Speaker 7: But anyways, working on a lot of fun stuff for
Speaker 7: Cosmic Peach podcast.
Speaker 2: If you want to work with.
Speaker 7: Me, go stop Peach at outlook dot com. Thanks for
Speaker 7: having me, Robbie, You're awesome, Teresa, love you jin always insightful,
Speaker 7: Lisa gorgeous, smart, wish I was more like you.
Speaker 6: Yes, no, Julia, thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 6: I really appreciate it. And and for the you know,
Speaker 6: the listeners, go I go check out this series that
Speaker 6: she's doing. You know, uh, you know, we we covered
Speaker 6: sleep paralysis. Uh, it did very well. People seem to
Speaker 6: really like it. So I suggest those people to go
Speaker 6: check out this series that she's putting out. You know,
Speaker 6: it's going to be a banger, she's covering it. Thank
Speaker 6: you so much, Julia, and then Lisa, you cult rejected
Speaker 6: man scientist? What is going on?
Speaker 8: Thank you so much, so much for having me this
Speaker 8: late morning for me, so it was like brunch and
Speaker 8: having my coffee. Cult research occult rejects, And this honestly
Speaker 8: genuinely felt like we were in around the table, Robbie,
Speaker 8: and we were and you were telling us a story
Speaker 8: and we're all listening and chiming in, and it definitely
Speaker 8: it didn't feel like we were separated geographically at all.
Speaker 8: So I genuinely thank you for the invitation, Jin Teresa, Julia, Robbie, Nick.
Speaker 8: This was an amazing discussion and I'm very grateful to
Speaker 8: have been a part of it. Thank you so much.
Speaker 8: And the only thing I want to plug is a
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Speaker 6: Thank you very much, Lisa. I appreciate you coming on
Speaker 6: and always you know, putting in what you got to say. Uh, Robbie,
Speaker 6: please let everybody know where they could find all your
Speaker 6: amazing stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I want to thank everybody for showing up.
Speaker 1: I was a little anxious at first when I saw
Speaker 1: how many people might be here, but I think it
Speaker 1: like flowed so well and just getting you know, everybody,
Speaker 1: you know, got you guys all know what you're talking about,
Speaker 1: and it's just great coming together and the meeting of
Speaker 1: minds and kind of seeing how it all kind of
Speaker 1: just blossoms and ballooms. But yeah, I'm our Marx or
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Speaker 1: all my social media. You can go and find me
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Speaker 6: So yeah, thanks Nick, Oh, thank you, bro. I really
Speaker 6: appreciate your work. You help me keep up. You helped
Speaker 6: me keep putting out work I can be proud of,
Speaker 6: So thank you. So nice again, all of you. It
Speaker 6: was an amazing chat. I again, we talked about so
Speaker 6: many things and I really loved it. That's what I
Speaker 6: hope to see all the people do is what we
Speaker 6: do here, you know, uh, just amazing stuff. We made
Speaker 6: magic today. So in the next one, until the next one,
Speaker 6: everybody
Speaker 1: Be well later