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Scary Era Era is the Irish or Gaelic word for Ireland.

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Paranormal means all the things that are impossible to explain

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Speaker 2: Mang Manning is real.

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Speaker 1: Now that's a scary sort. What a chiky chappy. Hello,

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my wonderful friends, and welcome to the first Scary Era

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love your stories and any content you think would make

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a worthy contribution to Scary Era. My studio is located

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on Ireland's ancient East Coast, but today Matthew Clark from

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the rebel County of Cork. He's from the Cork Supernatural

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Society and later Philip Costello from Paranormal Awakenings Ireland lend hand.

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Philip is out on Ireland's rugged historic West Coast Galway.

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To be precise, and by popular demand, he'll be following

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up his recent appearance on Scary Era. The Squire aka

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the very talented David McGlynn will be doing the storytelling

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as he regales us with the mystical tale of the

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Hurlers of Rehen an excerpt from Kiron Fannings Haunted Ireland,

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an atlas of thirty two counties, recently published and available

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Speaker 2: All Good bookstores.

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Speaker 3: But not for the first time, we pull on our

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vulcanized paranormal panties for a yomp to Killarney County Kerry,

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where Anthony Kerrigan and Jessica Murphy of Ghost Era we

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are going to enlighten y'all.

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Speaker 1: On their vast experience of all things paranormal, and they're

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fascinating soon to be streamed project called phantasm Collective. I

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began our chat by stating that, in my humble view,

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ghost eras approach to paranormal investigation appears non tradition in

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the sense that it is very broad minded, scientific and comprehensive,

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not in the least traditional in the just show up

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at a location and you know, have a go at

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finding a ghost say. I asked Jessica, Was this an

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accurate observation on my part?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. We want to see a broad picture by

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building and bringing all the puzzle pieces together, right, so

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it's not just one Again, this is no knock to

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any other explorative teams. It's just, you know, we found

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that the way that we do these investigations and how

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they come together can give us a really well rounded

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story of what could have happened in the area.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I would say, like with paranormal phenomena, people that have

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occurrencies or experiences are spontaneous. They're not all to do

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probably sound phenomena or visual phenomena, So people can experience

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things through the other senses and information can be gathered

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through other ways through the environment as well. And I

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suppose like we do a lot of divination experiments, a

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lot of which would include stuff like silencers, talking boards,

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drying and automatic writing, drawing, all those kind of sort

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of experients, but also using different types of equipment to

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pick up like environmental factors such as sound, lighting, humidity, temperature,

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and those sort of things there. But I would say

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that apart from other teams, of the teams do go

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into the delve into that particular area, but as well

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doing the divination experiments. Analyzing and reviewing this kind of

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stuff takes up weeks even months. So an investigation would

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take about two months to evaluate on our side because

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we probably would be reviewing on how people react, what

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questions they ask, where the divination tool moved to, and

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just reviewing what it is afterwards. Like so does be

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with some cases that'll be up to about sixty incidents

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that we would have to evaluate drawing that investigation or

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what people felt where these divination tools moved and then

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you got taken them as well than what you've found

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of stock photographs or footage so it does take a lot.

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Speaker 1: You guys have got your dynamics at work, the equipment,

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just say, the data end of things, which is really important. Jessica,

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you said that word data and your mind is open.

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a skeptical person, I think ghost are would definitely be

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Speaker 4: I really agree. I think there's I think this says

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those gut feelings or the intuition of feeling that extra

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paranormal or that extra endity, you know, that kind of energy.

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to look for that validation. They want to see the facts.

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they want to hold it right. So I think when

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we can kind of compare and contrast our base tests

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versus you know, the actual test during the readings, it's

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like these are you were here when we did the

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base and you were here now, and you see that

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there is a drastic change. Like I said, it does

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become a factual thing. It's not a wait and see experiment.

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Speaker 1: Now right, absolutely, and that just further emphasizes what I'm

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saying that it's great the attitude that you have to it. Meanwhile,

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back on the Ranch Solstice, did you have any fun

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with the solstice yesterday? Is that your thing?

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the solstice, and the full moon was last week, so

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the solstice itself, my level of participation does vary. I

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find I get so beat up by the solstice. I

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don't know if anybody else, but there's like a big

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energy shift. So I'm just like down.

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Speaker 4: Little beat up the last week from the full moon

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Speaker 1: So what brings a Canadian? And I assume are you?

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Speaker 5: There? Yeah? Well yeah I was. I was born in

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Speaker 6: So yeah, I've been here in Coloney twenty six years

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and I suppose I met Jessica through a friend who's

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also in the team. Cameron Murphy and because Cameron's married

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to Jessica's husband. No, it is twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 4: My brother in law is also on the team, So

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Speaker 5: Yeah, keep it.

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Speaker 1: In the family, that's what I say.

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Speaker 7: It runs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I met Anthony, but I guess it'll be

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over ten years ago anyways. Now, during an initial like

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kind of a fun investigation, it wasn't anything serious. It was, Hey,

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I've got a friend who's into this. Let's go down

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to the local castle or the local abbey and check

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Speaker 1: You know, we were talking just before I started I

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hit the big red button, and Anthony, you were telling

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me about the motorcycle accident you had. Have you got

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a view on the after life? What do you think

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happens when we flatline?

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Speaker 4: I you know, because that's obviously a very like kind

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of an interesting question. I don't necessarily believe in a

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heaven or hell. I believe that there is a final

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destination if our soul chooses it. I think that like

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our souls are never any energy, and I do think

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that every life begins with the soul contract. I feel like,

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you know, our soul has gone through a million lives

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so if that's reincarnation, yeah, I suppose. You know, I

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believe in that. I do believe that karma is a

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very big important part of life. I think that the

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sufferings of people, maybe that's that's really heavy. Maybe not

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the sufferings of people, but I do think that like

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our challenges in our daily lives, sometimes our consequence of

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our past lives behaviors, if that makes any sense. So yeah,

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I guess that's my feeling on it. What's after this,

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here again somewhere in time.

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Speaker 1: And do you think somebody brings Jessica into a room

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and says, hey, have I got news for you?

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Speaker 2: We're going to review here.

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Speaker 5: Do like?

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Speaker 4: I love that, I think, But that's I think. If

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you're like I live, I should say I live each

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day anticipating whatever to happen.

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Speaker 5: Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: I guess somebody who's had to digest death and you

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know I've been around it, and you know it's kind

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of a fact. Again, it's a part of my not

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my life immediately, I suppose, but it's something that we've

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all had to deal with, and at this point in

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my life. Of course, it's a very sad thing, but

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I know there's more. I've seen the facts that there

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is connection beyond. And if I had to sit down

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and review my life up to date, well, I know

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that I've lived with confidence. I've lived with you know,

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putting kindness into the world, and that's that's all I

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can do, right, So if I had to have that,

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you know, have you ever seen that show The Good

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Place North American show? But it's it's kind of based

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on that that afterlife of the Good Place and the

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Bad Place in the middle Place, and it's a really

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great theory show. So I definitely recommend it. But I

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Speaker 6: Don't know, it's interested probably on the scientific level. When

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are you physically dead? So when does a physician or

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a nurse or a doctor actually say or state that

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a body is actually dead. So when he suggested that

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there is an afterlife, then you have to say there's

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brain activity, that's the main thing that's mostly after there.

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that was stuck in a kind of relative coma in

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some cold environment. I think she was on a mountaintop

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or something and she was unconscious for half it was weeks.

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of situation. I managed to slow down the rate of

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something up to half an hour. The brain can still

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react without any oxygen or hurts, which is vibrations, which

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is activity in the head, but it's trying to slow

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down the process. Now, as you said that, people have

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said to me, is there any afterlife? And I don't.

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would probably say when we asked this food experiment we've

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done in the past, there was one are who asked

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the spirit world what part of the body is most

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active before you die and is the first to react

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when you go into the afterlife. And I think it

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was something to do with partial lobe a mechanism. It's

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to do with dealing with pain. So it's like a

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computer like it's noting that there's pain and it's ready

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to shut down. So it shuts down the computer like

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you could say there, but then it sort of sort

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of retriggers it back in. It's the only part of

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the brain that the spirit world said that continued in

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the afterlife, so it never stopped, which was very interesting.

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physical kind of thing, but then also if we're talking

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about a kind of consciousness, then this part of this

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entity or thing that we're dealing with being part of

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the brain, is there to control pain and realizes it

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and then activates the soul in the afterlife. That's what

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we found out during our experiments that even also that

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of senses of a brain cannot relate to what is

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in the after life. Only a few using parts of

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the brain used for sound, which is which is very

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interesting because we hear growth panel investigators, enthusiasts, they hear

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electronic voice phenomenon, but also normal people there and I

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things that change in people's lives is when somebody passes away.

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clock stop, or things get thrown across the room, or

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feel that touch or smell comes in that our senses

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are alerted to that somebody's just passed, whether that consciousness

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continue talking to the person after they've died, because they

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can still hear you. And I suppose that's why we

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using the talking boards to call out five positive words

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and five negative words, and we've used these positive words

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to call out to it in the vicinity and to

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see if we can get a reaction for this consciousness

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to come forward. Most commonly it's a name, and calling

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out a person's name is very significant because the first

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thing you're alerted to for danger is when somebody calls

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out your name to get you react, to get your attention.

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and we would have to call out the name or

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call out words using the talking board.

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Speaker 1: I do, like you're thinking on as Anthony here, do

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any change of subject to do any of you have

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an opinion on this stuff coming out of New Jersey

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UFOs or UAPs as they're called these days.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to get into conspiracy, but like I

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always say, when something like this is happening, there's usually

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like more to the picture. Do you know what I mean?

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when you look through the noise, you'll see the news.

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is a lot of noise for I guess what the

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real news might be. It's a distraction. I think, I

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really do, because I feel logically, I'm like, if it's

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a bunch of drones, we have access to drones, you

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send a drawn up and figure it out, you know,

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you know, if they're if there are persons, you know,

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that's where I'm just like, I don't know, maybe, Anthony,

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what do you.

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Speaker 5: Think well has going by?

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Speaker 6: Like, I don't know, if you it's probably a great

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person to interview in the in the future that I

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don't know if you've heard of them. There Markers dr

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Amon Hansberg, he's part of research I think it's your

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peen research into up and UFO phenomena, and he's worked

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with I think he's worked with NASA as well and

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these states. He's come out on the opening said there

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is something above our world. There is something happening above

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a few thousand kilometers above our earth, and it's happened

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at various points of the Earth as well. Like you know,

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whether as we're going back to what we're talking about,

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like trans medium ship people coming, spirits coming through our voices.

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extraterrestrial beings. We just don't know whether we're coming through

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that kind of way like the grays are, whether they're

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the future ourselves, as in the lack of humu unication,

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not using vocabulary, using telepathy instead, similar to what we

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had in the past, but we don't use it now,

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and that's what we work on with ghost there. We

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do experiments count in that way using sight, which is

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cleve voyants, a telepathy, retrocognition, precognition, those types of experiment

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experiments to see if there's any parallelmal phenomena involved in it.

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 6: You can do tests that you know called presentiment testing

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people's heart rate and also electroderma activity their skin to

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see if they sweat in a situation where they think

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they're being watched. So these kind of stuff that we

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can use in our experiments in the investigations, as you said,

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with UAP's UFOs We don't know to a full exact,

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but I think there is like there is a cover up,

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and I think where do the humans come from? And

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as you say, like religion and you UFOs, you do

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have that kind of there's a crossover with it as well,

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you know, when you taught. I think it's to do

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with the half beads of angels, which supposedly could be

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extra toush to alien life forms, you know, so reading

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into what we are now because you don't see it

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with any other animal form on Earth.

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Speaker 4: I did read somewhere that this was all like in

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my like witchy groups, there was a prediction coming for

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this year, for later with all the happenings of these

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zuaps UFOs, that and this would be all over the world.

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New Jersey, America seems to get all the buzz right,

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But I do believe it is all happening all over

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the world. That those extra beings are those eties, whatever

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you want to call them, They are going to reintroduce

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themselves to us. And this was one of the ways

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of doing it, was having these things present for a

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while so that we could get used to them. That

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was another thing that I thought. But in this vicinity

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I just think that, Like I definitely believe that there

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was more below the surface of you know, in the

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water than in space. But I feel like, Jimmy, we're

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not alone. There's there's there's activity everywhere, there's energy everywhere.

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We can't be alone, there's no way. But like I said,

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it's like for this instance, for New Jersey, I just

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think that it's like I.

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Speaker 1: Just feel we're the verge of something. It could be ominous,

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it could be amazing. We're in for something, and I

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don't know what it is. Is it just me nop.

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Speaker 4: It's like we're in the huge awakening phase. Sorry, Anthony,

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he knows me. Anthony just smiles the knots because he

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knows that. Like, once I'm on my tangent, I'm like, wow,

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it's very like this is a big time of awakening.

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And you know, it really did start around the twenty

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twentieth time. People had to reevaluate what was important to

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them and I feel like in that process they were

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given more access to themselves and the self love and

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what they needed to kind of unlock that intuition as well.

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We put where our values changed as well. Right, So

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when it came down to doing and feeling what's right

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for ourselves and our families. It allowed us to feel

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differently about these kind of circumstances. Absolutely agree with you.

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I always say when some smells fishy, it usually is

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if it does not seem right, it's like we're waiting

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on another shoe to drop. And that's where I'm a

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skeep in this, you know, and again like oh, this

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is happening, I know, but what else is happening? I mean,

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this person's been rather quiet. What's happening over there? Like

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that's where I want to see the broader view because again,

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being as comfortable in what I've been doing for my life,

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it's the still I have children too, Like this is

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the world that I want them to be safe in

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as well. So what's going on?

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Speaker 1: What age of your kids, Jessica, They're just little.

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Speaker 4: I've got a three year old and a five year old.

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My daughter is she's my youngest, and she's quite attached,

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let's just say that. So she's very like attached to me.

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But she did tell me this morning I'm her best friend,

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So like, I can't be mad at that. I'm going

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to charit even when she tells me she hates me.

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When she's sixteen, I'll still remember I was her best

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friend when she was three.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well that's nice to know, isn't it nice? Yeah, I'm

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not happy. Note let's talk poultrygeist. Any experience of that phenomenon.

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Speaker 4: Anthony, go ahead.

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Speaker 6: Well, I suppose it's probably what is the term poultrygeist?

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Is it? Is it to do with attracted to a

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person like ghosts. It's hard to determine what is the

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difference between the poltageist and the ghost. It's like that's

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Kieran o'kiefas said, they're like Donny course within the school

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of power psychology, and actually determining what is a politic

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guist can be quite hard because it's because ghosts can

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be attracted to people as well, and they can follow

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people apparently as well. You know, poltar geist, I would say,

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I don't know, it's hard to determine if we were

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talking about if it's a ghost as well, yes, probably, yes.

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I suppose it only gets termed or framed the poltar

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geist when it comes up in the media and the newspapers.

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And I suppose like these stories like with the Anfield

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poltar geist, the battersy politic Guarists are very well known

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cases and I suppose it's how people the media want

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to portray it. But as in a poltergeist, yeah, it's

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it's hard to determine whether we've come across people get

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like an agent a host to some sort of ghost

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or entity which would be are coined as a poltgeist.

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Not really they you know, we don't usually as I

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said in the past, we don't usually do house cases.

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We actually put a charge on it just to stop

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people actually getting free ghost hunts, and it is actually

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a charge for actually people to go places. We live

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in the southwestern and it's fine if probably if you're

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the Midlands you can probably not charge. But we live

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in the Southwest. If we were called up to say Antrium,

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the north side of Antium, that's about a seven hour journey,

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so it would cost money to get up there. We

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would only cover cost. Obviously, we don't take any money

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for if there was any cases. And as he said

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eighty to the cases can be sold by just probably

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talking to each other, if you chat, texting, emailing or

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a phone call as well, and then then then it

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could be sold by just doing a house call checking

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the environment, the house, the rooms, the people interview them

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then as well. You know, so with that respect, poltergeist

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snub because the Irish media tends not to exploit it

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that much, or they tend to not put as much

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time into it as they did with the English newspapers.

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They find it more fascinating as with history of past

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politicalist activity cases.

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Speaker 1: Great insight. Is there anything you guys don't know about?

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Let me try on this one. Automatic writing? Have you

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tried it?

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Speaker 4: We do?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we do.

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Speaker 6: Automatic drawn because it is important to do that. You know,

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when you're a teenager, you're at school, you're dubling, you're

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half in and half out of a mindset. Who knows

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what you're doing is that you've got the artistic form

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of writing that that's part of connecting with the spirit world.

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So yes, we do automatic writing, automatic drawn, and we

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do do that as well as doing that as well.

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Apart from that, you know, when you're in a dangeram state,

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you know you might be coming out a voice of

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a sound or a song that you know, or something

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language dialogue that you use that you might have a

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spirit coming into you as well. So you using that

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piece of debonation is kind of good and an essential

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part of paranormal investigating.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we do do it, Okay, I do want to

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talk about phantasm collective, right, That's why I'm actually here.

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I have just been on the whole thing. But I'm

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saving the best kind of to last. But I'm not

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I'm not going there just yet. So you know, in

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in Irish locations, historic locations, right, and I do love

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this hands across the ocean thing because Canadian lady a

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guy Anthony right, English, Irish whatever?

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Speaker 5: Right, I don't know what.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what part of England though, would you have a

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connection with Cheshire?

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Speaker 5: Would be the place go crew?

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Speaker 1: That's very civilized?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I had to get out that was

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too civilized.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so look, just Irish locations, give me the one

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that jumped out, if you pardon the pun. What Irish

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location did you find the most active?

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Speaker 4: I guess it was. It's interesting like for the ones

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that we filmed for the series, yes, I took not

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like a backseat role to some of them. There was

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only one that I was able to kind of sit

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in and you know, participate as a team member. What

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was the name of the cinema, fires Gate friars Gate

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Theater that's yeah, so that would be the one. I'm sorry,

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what's the name of the town again? So yeah, the

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friars Gate Theater. I felt, I mean again because I

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was able to participate fully as a team member and

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not as a co host. That was where I, you know,

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was able to kind of what did you experience? Well,

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I was one of the scriers, I guess in one

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of the forms here.

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Speaker 5: So that was.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, scrying is when you look in the mirror, is it?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 8: I did.

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Speaker 4: There's a few different ways to scry, but I we

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did the mirror this version.

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Speaker 1: It was interesting again as spoiler spoiler, Okay, I get it.

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Speaker 4: I just don't want to give anything away, you know,

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like out of respect for you know, all the work

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we put in and like Anthony and my oh god,

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you should have gone first, Anthety, because then I would

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00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:45,759
have known.

476
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 5: How much you should I have. That's not okay, Castle,

477
00:23:51,279 --> 00:23:52,519
there was.

478
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh we've done like just in terms of the

479
00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:03,640
did I do investigation argillan, But that wasn't for the series.

480
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,720
I was just thinking in terms of the series filming.

481
00:24:05,759 --> 00:24:08,319
But yeah, like oh an investigations there, like I guess,

482
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,960
let's talk about art. Yeah, So yeah. Up in Dublin there.

483
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,000
That was fantastic. Okay, So I mean it was a

484
00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:16,680
good ways away. It was a great environment. Number one,

485
00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:19,519
when we got to the actual building that we got

486
00:24:19,559 --> 00:24:21,920
to investigate, that was always better too. It's a funny

487
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,400
story there, but you know it's this rich heritage site.

488
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,119
My god, it was. It was fantastic and I felt

489
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,960
like that experiment for me was obviously very music based.

490
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,759
It was as great. I was able to really dig

491
00:24:33,799 --> 00:24:35,720
in with my taro. Oh god, I really enjoyed it.

492
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,359
These investigations aren't very fearful for me, but again more

493
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,559
of like intriguing. I felt a buzz.

494
00:24:42,039 --> 00:24:44,319
Speaker 1: You mentioned Taro there. Did you do tarot cards?

495
00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:44,759
Speaker 5: Oh?

496
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I do Tarot. Taro's like one of my

497
00:24:47,079 --> 00:24:49,839
main channels that I used Tarot and Oracle, but I

498
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,759
also do Taro's my man, with a little bit of

499
00:24:52,839 --> 00:24:53,759
balance from Oracle.

500
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 1: You do Taro on a daily basis. Some people just

501
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,119
sit down in the morning and take a card out

502
00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,200
and go what's up?

503
00:24:59,440 --> 00:24:59,599
Speaker 8: You know?

504
00:24:59,839 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 4: I I absolutely, I think if it suits too. Absolutely,

505
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,640
there was a time I would do like a weekly one.

506
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,640
I guess it has to fit the vibe, it has

507
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,480
to fit my intention for the day. I usually do weekly, weekly,

508
00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:13,599
and sometimes it's just also host a podcasts. So we

509
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,119
typically do like a collective reading and that kind of

510
00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:19,680
feels like the vibe for the past week or the

511
00:25:19,759 --> 00:25:21,559
going into week. And then of course I do readings

512
00:25:21,559 --> 00:25:22,519
for friendly friends.

513
00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: And whoever did you two guys ever sit down around

514
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,119
to wija board? Yeah?

515
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, now.

516
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 4: No, well yes, I've had I feel like I've met

517
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,119
some amazing spirits and like friends through the spirit point

518
00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:39,880
because I feel like it's like I would say if

519
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,200
my superpower, if I had a superpower, would be language,

520
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,079
because I want to I'm too damn nosy. I want

521
00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:46,119
to talk to everybody if you couldn't tell. And I'm like,

522
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,240
oh my god, we met like Sarah, who's uh you

523
00:25:49,319 --> 00:25:51,039
know when we were doing one of the Ouiji boards

524
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,400
up in Clarney here there was this now Sarah Reynolds

525
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,799
and I'm like, oh my god, my friend Sarah said,

526
00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:59,920
that's my best friend's day back home, Like it's anyway,

527
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,839
I always find that if we make that connection, I'm

528
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,119
just like, I want to know everything. But I would

529
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,400
only do a Ouiji board or a talking board with

530
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,640
Anthony he knows that there's nobody else that I would

531
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,839
trust to open or close these sort of portals, because

532
00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:15,559
I know I trust in Anthony is guidance and.

533
00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 6: That I do like I stay away from connecting on

534
00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:22,160
the talking board. But I devised the questions, so we

535
00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:24,200
have a set number of questions out of trying to

536
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,200
get information out that can be quite obscure, but relative

537
00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:29,720
to that time. Now, we asked there we spir at

538
00:26:29,759 --> 00:26:32,319
the Weight Museum now recently in County Waterford. We asked

539
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,960
the spirits need to be coming from the word that

540
00:26:35,079 --> 00:26:36,839
came up. We asked you where your farm where you

541
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,279
came from? Was Montau that came up and the date

542
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,240
was run It was the eighteen sixties.

543
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 5: Was it eighteen six Monto? Yeah, Monto.

544
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

545
00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:46,279
Speaker 1: It was a notorious red light district.

546
00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, well that yeah.

547
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,759
Speaker 6: This lady came from there and she was in this

548
00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:54,400
apartment in the eight she gave the early eighteen I

549
00:26:54,519 --> 00:26:57,880
was eighteen twenties she gave. We looked up then afterwards

550
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,920
there because I know the story sort of a Monta,

551
00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:02,839
but I forget the dates where it were used. Yeah,

552
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,160
it was in operation from the eighteen twenties onwards. I

553
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,240
thought was actually much later than that, you know, but

554
00:27:08,279 --> 00:27:09,519
I think there was somewhere called.

555
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: Devil's Sorry, there was an area called Hell. Believe it

556
00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:15,319
or not, I think, yeah, Hell. Apparently it was an

557
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:16,279
area in the Liberties.

558
00:27:16,319 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 5: I think yeah.

559
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 6: And I think that was just pre the Monto there, yes,

560
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,200
and so yeah, it's it's sort of we got a

561
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:25,920
year eighteen twenties and I was on the board. I

562
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,920
don't think Gen was on the board at that time either.

563
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,759
I think you may be my wife Jenna, But it

564
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,319
came across I forget the lady's name that came forward there,

565
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,359
but there was language used in it, like the word

566
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:38,680
neve came up on the board.

567
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:42,079
Speaker 5: The word that it came out as n I and

568
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:47,799
I be n I b h ne like so it's

569
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:52,640
like like like cow like you know, so nev.

570
00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:55,279
Speaker 6: It was probably spelling out neve, I said to the ladder,

571
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,000
because they didn't know what it was spelling out.

572
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,799
Speaker 5: We asked, is it neve? And it's a yes, no.

573
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,079
Speaker 6: Now it could be just as you say, it could

574
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,680
the ideometer kind of a theory that you know, you're

575
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,039
unconsciously moving the plant chet. But then again, who's to

576
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,839
say if we are unconsciously moving the plant chet. Who's

577
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,880
to say that spirit is coming through unconsciously into us

578
00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:20,519
or vice versa, using that energy to come forward. We're

579
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,160
using the talking board is a valuable tool and trying

580
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,160
to get the main information. And it's using it, it's

581
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,839
using everybody's like it's it's it's a group, it's a

582
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,400
it's a it's you use more than one person to

583
00:28:32,519 --> 00:28:33,039
do it, you know.

584
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,559
Speaker 5: We should try and use it as a.

585
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 6: Kind of like a bullet point between other bullet points

586
00:28:37,519 --> 00:28:40,359
to find if there's any information that coincides with all

587
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,759
throughout the experiments we do. We do that four sessions

588
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,880
for experiments per investigation receive. I can find information from

589
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,519
each one of them that might correlate with their history

590
00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:53,640
or background, or what might happen in the future, or

591
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,000
what's around the area.

592
00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: Right then, the best to last phantasm collective, your project,

593
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,319
your baby, tell us all about it and why people

594
00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:05,079
should tune into it.

595
00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 5: I suppose I'll probably go into it. Yeah, we suppose.

596
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 6: It's an idea that came upuly because I appeared on

597
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:14,880
Spoot Island on the Discovery Channel and I put a

598
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:20,279
script out to Discovery and National broadcasting station's arty in

599
00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:23,599
Virgi Media now they declined it, so that's fine, you know,

600
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,960
because it's not meant for entertainment purposes. Each episode is

601
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,720
structured around either the spiritual or the occult or there's

602
00:29:31,759 --> 00:29:37,400
one episode to the psychological physiological aspect. Another episode is

603
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,799
to do with environmental factors collecting data. So we're trying

604
00:29:40,839 --> 00:29:44,000
to keep kind of spiritual and the scientific side and

605
00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:47,279
the side which is the brain activity and the day

606
00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:50,440
to collecting, the technical side all into these kind of

607
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,240
different episodes. There's no background music. There's not going to

608
00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:56,359
be their influence in what is going to happen with

609
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,519
the activity. We're being in teams. We're being in experts

610
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,599
half through the show who give their evaluation on a

611
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,200
particular subject of the paranorl that we have been investigating

612
00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:08,920
with or are concentrating on. But the cameras are stationary

613
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,759
and the lads from Deep Red Production Company they've got

614
00:30:13,599 --> 00:30:16,279
good cameras four K, so it's in high definition and

615
00:30:16,359 --> 00:30:19,400
standard definition as well. Is scripted in points because you

616
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,359
ask some seems you see me reading from a board

617
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:25,880
a clipboard. But when it comes to the investigation part,

618
00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:27,440
that's when it's not scripted.

619
00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:28,119
Speaker 5: That's when.

620
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 6: The teams ourselves as well are calling out to the

621
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:36,240
spirit world for contact, trying to make contact, and then

622
00:30:36,279 --> 00:30:38,640
we're delivering our information back of what we felt and

623
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,119
all that, what we hear and see, et cetera. People

624
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,960
that are going to be watching the show, we'll see

625
00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:45,920
that there's a time clock in the corner and they

626
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:51,079
see how long the period of the investigation that session is. Yeah,

627
00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:53,839
I hope it appeals to some people. Some people won't

628
00:30:54,119 --> 00:30:56,960
appeal to if they're looking for the horror factor. There

629
00:30:57,079 --> 00:30:59,519
is ghost hunting involved in it, but I wouldn't say

630
00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:02,480
that there is much ghost hunting or through the episodes,

631
00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:04,480
you know. So it's it's kind of it's one of

632
00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:07,519
those things that are thought provoking kind of show which

633
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,759
we would probably hoping a lot of knowledge to people

634
00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:15,000
that are interested in it and actually explaining the history

635
00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:18,359
back on what the subjects are like. I will let

636
00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:19,920
you into one of them. So the first one's going

637
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,559
to be about hypnotism, so we've got a hypnotist, Samuel

638
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:24,880
Lawrence with us. The second episode is going to be

639
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,599
about a knocha magic and squying, and we've got a

640
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,599
well respected person called Andy Mercer, who is a hypnotherapist

641
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,920
as well, who's got written books about an ocha magic.

642
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,599
He's going to be talking about that. And then we

643
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,200
have a member from the Society for Cycle Research, John

644
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:45,720
Fagi're coming on a third episode talking about ghost boxers.

645
00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:49,720
So it's given people knowledge of what these experiments are

646
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,920
and how they derived from and how we can use

647
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,279
them and investigations.

648
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: Good luck with it, because you deserve it. I agree.

649
00:31:58,519 --> 00:31:59,839
Speaker 4: I want to add on to that that I think

650
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:03,079
this is a passion project of Anthony and his wife Jens.

651
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,039
I think that this is I said to him when

652
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:06,759
we were filming, like, this is your baby, and I

653
00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:09,680
wanted to represent exactly what your vision was.

654
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:10,079
Speaker 8: Right.

655
00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:12,559
Speaker 4: He's had his hand in every every moment of this

656
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,319
process has been you know, the product of love from

657
00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:18,880
Anthony and Jennifer. This is theirs, you know, and I'm

658
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,480
so excited to be a part of it, and I'm

659
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,759
glad that this could manifest for him.

660
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,759
Speaker 6: This is as well, like it's great sore just lovers

661
00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:30,160
out there that Jessica came out to like Tiva being

662
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,200
a co host as well as well as that though

663
00:32:32,279 --> 00:32:34,319
it's being in it's great to bring in teams like

664
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:40,119
Poker Paranormal with Pj's team and also with Rory, Roonica,

665
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:42,960
Eva and Leo. Give a shout out to them, Power

666
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,480
Pokavo Paranormal and also Power Girls Lisa, Emma, Serena and

667
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,559
Karen there it was it's great to bring these people

668
00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:54,000
teams in and work with them as well. It's not

669
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,039
just about ourselves staying up, work with them and see

670
00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:00,680
what we can get from visiting these places. And it's

671
00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:03,759
great to give exposure to Ireland and actually put us

672
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,400
ahead in the worldwide blacket of paranormal investigators as well.

673
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,640
You know, we need to go underway, like the show

674
00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:12,319
is going to be a cross between mostly you know,

675
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,000
if you've seen the TV program on Canny's going to

676
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:17,240
be towards that kind of nature, you know, but with

677
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:18,920
ghosts hunting involved in it.

678
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 4: You know.

679
00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 6: So hopefully this appealed to a lot of people there

680
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,880
and it needs at the moment.

681
00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:26,359
Speaker 1: It's going to succeed just by its very nature of

682
00:33:26,519 --> 00:33:29,279
you doing it. I find that it's in you. You've

683
00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:31,079
got to get that out. And now you've gone and

684
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,079
your your archive and it it's there the internet, you know,

685
00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:37,559
last forever I just think it's great. I'm excited for

686
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:38,039
you guys.

687
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you. Yeah, we tried to keep it real.

688
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:44,359
We tried to yeah, not there to there.

689
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 6: It's like a proper investigation for people to watch, and

690
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,880
they can talk from midway through it as well as

691
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,599
our scenes where there's just strong footage in silence, so

692
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,039
people can converse with each other between scenes and say,

693
00:33:56,039 --> 00:33:56,440
do you see that?

694
00:33:56,599 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 5: You believe that? I don't really want it, But.

695
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,319
Speaker 6: It's that way that people can interacting between as well,

696
00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:04,240
and it's keeping it real, so there's no bias bis them. Sure,

697
00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:07,519
there's nobody being tricked into thinking because of scary music

698
00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:10,960
in the background that there's something mega that's going to happen,

699
00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:13,960
And there's nobody putting words on the screen to determine

700
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:17,000
what comes up on an e VP as well. There

701
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:19,360
is words that come up on the screen at stages

702
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,159
there people are watching it, and that's to do with

703
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,519
a transcription experiment that we have running up, and it's

704
00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:28,039
just show what it came up with the software. What

705
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:31,440
came up with the transcription software, which is ai version

706
00:34:31,519 --> 00:34:34,480
of monitoring what voice has come over ghost boxers and

707
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,239
all that kind of stuff. Calling out session, so it's

708
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:42,480
instead was interurbid to it. We let i AI do it.

709
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,239
And there's a good company called s AI that let

710
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,400
us use the software. So big shout out to them

711
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:49,800
as well, you know, yeah.

712
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,119
Speaker 1: Add a big shout to on explained Dot I E

713
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,719
who are a big Yeah, Adam and Cole.

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Speaker 6: Adam is a very good he's a great, great person.

715
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,440
He's a and I hope you know the unexplained eye

716
00:35:01,639 --> 00:35:04,599
channel goes even further across globally. They you know, he's

717
00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:07,880
a great he's a great ambassador for the Irish paranormal

718
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,079
scene as well. Send yourself there and thank you for

719
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:11,199
interviewings as well.

720
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:14,199
Speaker 1: I want to thank you for indulging me. You're looking

721
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:15,840
great by the way, the two of you. I know

722
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,880
you can't see my ugly mug, but you are you

723
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,079
looking Yeah, you're looking lovely, Jessica, in your in your

724
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,079
in your hoodie, I mean like my the sweater.

725
00:35:26,199 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 4: And I hope you're not for releasing a video because look,

726
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,239
you're fine, and I have a I have a face

727
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,199
and a head of hair for radio today. If you

728
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,119
wonder if you're if you're if you have.

729
00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: Any just well I've had a face for radio for

730
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,480
many years, which is why I'm not displaying mine.

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00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: Oh how we laughed.

732
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: Stick to Ghost Era like glue because they are happening.

733
00:35:48,119 --> 00:35:51,079
You can check them out on Facebook, Ghost Era or

734
00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:57,320
on Instagram, Ghost Underscore, Era, Underscore Paranormal. Remember Era is

735
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,320
spelt E I or E. Right now that you have

736
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,960
a smile on your face, let's keep it there. Here's

737
00:36:03,039 --> 00:36:07,000
the Squire on Scary Era aka David McGlenn reading an

738
00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:11,679
excerpt from Kiron Fannings recently published Haunted Island, available on

739
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,599
nine and in all Good bookstores. Torrilora basket Case.

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00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 9: One night, sometime in the nineteenth century, as the moon

741
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,599
shone down on the townland of Rhen, turning the water

742
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,760
of luck Lean into a silver and mirror, Tim Shay

743
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,519
sat on a rock by the water's edge, keeping an

744
00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:33,239
eye on Jack Loney's cattle. Defenses that were supposed to

745
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,679
be keeping the min had more holes in them than

746
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,679
the devil's confession, and these parts are often frequented by

747
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,159
cattle stealers who rubbed the color out of your tay.

748
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,599
He scanned the field of cattle for the one hundredth time,

749
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,960
and when he was sure there was not in the

750
00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:52,480
miss His eyes drifted to the glassy lake beside him

751
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,800
that everyone said was haunted. He was well aware that

752
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,719
it was after midnight, so technically it was May Day,

753
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,079
the day when every seventh year, the spirit of Chieftain

754
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:09,320
o'donahu Moore rose from the lake. What nobody seemed to

755
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,760
remember was when the ghost had last appeared, so nobody

756
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,840
knew exactly on which May Day it would return. Although

757
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,719
it was considered good luck to see the ghost, Tim

758
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,079
could do without that sort of stress on his heart.

759
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,760
He tried to distract himself by thinking about his home

760
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,800
team's upcoming football match. He lived and breathed football, so

761
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,159
it was a good topic to distract himself with. His thoughts, however,

762
00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:39,519
were interrupted by the faint plucking of harp strings drifting

763
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:43,280
across the lock on the breeze, drawing his attention to

764
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,960
a part of the lake where the waters were suddenly

765
00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:51,039
charning violently with white, moonlike crested waves, while elsewhere the

766
00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:54,880
surface was as still as a tomb of polished marble.

767
00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:00,559
Before Tim's eyes, a milk white war horse rode out

768
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:03,280
of the lake with a stately warrior on its beck,

769
00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:07,119
who kicked the steed into a trot. Behind the animal,

770
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,679
a train of young maidens wearing garlands of flowers emerged

771
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:16,079
from beneath the water and began dancing to the enchanted

772
00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:19,880
music that now filled the air. As the horse came closer,

773
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,000
the moonlight linted on the rider's sword, but also in

774
00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:28,199
his eyes, which for firmly fixed on Tim, who knew

775
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,400
it was too late to hide.

776
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 2: Are you ten?

777
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 9: Shall the barrier called out? Tim nodded nervously. The horse's

778
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,199
hooves magically trotted across the surface of the lake, kicking

779
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,159
up splashes of moonlit spray.

780
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,079
Speaker 2: I am o'donna, who more called the chieftain, and I'd

781
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,480
like you to send a message for me again.

782
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 9: All Tim could do was not He couldn't exactly say

783
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,960
no to ghost with as much steel in its eye

784
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,199
as it had in its sword. When the horse reached

785
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,960
the shore, the knight hopped down from his saddle. Now

786
00:39:06,039 --> 00:39:08,639
that they were up close, Tim realized that the horse

787
00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:11,960
and rider weren't as solid as he thought. They seemed

788
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,960
to be made of swirling white and mist. Tim could

789
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,360
seize straight through their bodies to where the maidens continued

790
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,480
to cavort in the center of the lake.

791
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: I want you to deliver this letter to the County

792
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,199
of Waterford.

793
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:28,679
Speaker 9: Said Odonaho, handing him a scroll of yellowed parchment. But

794
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:29,920
I have to mind the kettle.

795
00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:32,199
Speaker 2: I'll mind them till you come back.

796
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 9: But I don't know the way to Waterford, said Tim,

797
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:37,760
trying to get out of the Errand sure, sure, I've

798
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,079
never been further eastern Dinney Cornan's cow house.

799
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,079
Speaker 2: I'll lend you Copplebond, he knows the way.

800
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 9: Odonaho handed over the reins of his horse. Tim looked

801
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,400
the animal up and down, marveling at its silver shoes,

802
00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:55,280
gold stirrups, and the little bells on its bridle that

803
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,880
jingled when it moved. Tentatively, he placed his foot in

804
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,760
the steer. He'd only ever been on a horse once

805
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,480
or twice, and never on one like this. He was

806
00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:07,320
about to pull himself up when he felt Odana, who

807
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,559
shove his backside up into the saddle.

808
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,079
Speaker 2: When you come to the big castle, give the letter

809
00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:14,760
to the first person you see and bring me back,

810
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:15,559
a reply.

811
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 9: Commanded the ghost. Does the castle have a name, asked him,

812
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,679
Because I'm fairly sure Waterford is.

813
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: Full of castles, couple Bond knows the castle.

814
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 9: Now hold on tight, said o'danaho, slapping the horse's rear.

815
00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:33,320
The animal took off like the wind. All poor Tim

816
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,800
Shake could do was hold on for dear life. As

817
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:40,079
they raced across field and mountainside, hurdling rivers and dishes

818
00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:43,239
with ease. Tim couldn't understand why he hadn't fallen to

819
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,559
the ground. Riding a horse made of smoke, at times

820
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:49,039
he felt like he was sitting on a storm cloud.

821
00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:53,239
Through barreduff, mallow and bally hooly. They flew until they

822
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,360
reached the sweet County of Waterford, but still the animal

823
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,599
didn't stop. Over mash and meadow, they swept until they

824
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:02,679
came to the coast. Even as they approached high cliffs,

825
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,119
the animal didn't slow, and Tim was sure he was

826
00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:07,760
destined for his salty grave. But he couldn't get off.

827
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,480
All he could do was screaming terror as the horse

828
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,559
launched itself off the cliffs and sailed through the air

829
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,639
before landing in the dark ocean with a mighty splash. Now,

830
00:41:18,039 --> 00:41:21,719
like many irishmen, Tim couldn't swim, so he didn't even try.

831
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,480
He just waited for the seawater to fill his lungs

832
00:41:24,679 --> 00:41:28,480
and take him to meet his maker. However, something stranger

833
00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:31,639
than that happened. Couple Bonds sank under the waves and

834
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,920
continued to gallop along the seabed, turning up sand and

835
00:41:35,039 --> 00:41:37,800
shells with its hooves. It seemed to have no trouble

836
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,840
breathing underwater, and neither did him. He inhaled mouthfuls of

837
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,760
water and blew out streams of air bubbles, just like

838
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,199
the shoals of tiny fish all around him. In the

839
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,039
murky underwater gloom, Tim could make out a magnificent castle

840
00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:54,280
in front of him, and for the first time since

841
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,719
he'd mounted the horse, he felt it slowing down, eventually

842
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,800
coming to a halt at the castle door. Copple Bond

843
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,960
glanced back at its jockey as if to say, what

844
00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:07,199
are you waiting for? Tim hopped down and pitifully half swam,

845
00:42:07,519 --> 00:42:10,519
half stumbled to the door and knocked on it. A

846
00:42:10,679 --> 00:42:13,719
lady answered her ball gown was so elegant that she

847
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,360
must have once been a princess, but now she was

848
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,000
little more than a corpse. Instead of eyes, two cavernous

849
00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:23,679
black holes stared out of a skull partially covered in

850
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,760
shriveled skin, bone and teeth could be seen where the

851
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,880
torn skin had peeled away like bark on a tree.

852
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,480
A few wisps of gray hair floated like seaweed about her.

853
00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:38,440
Otherwise bald head. Tim was in such a staitus shock

854
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,360
that he forgot to hand over the letter, But the

855
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,039
lady whipped it from his hand anyway, as if she'd

856
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:46,679
been expecting it. She unrolled it, read the contents, and laughed.

857
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,440
Then she produced a quill, dipped its nib into her

858
00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:54,039
eye socket, and brought it back out, dripping with ink.

859
00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:57,760
Using the door as a writing surface, she scribbled the reply,

860
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,000
then rolled up the parchment in returned it to Tim.

861
00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:03,880
He was about to ask her what this was all about,

862
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,199
but she closed the door in his face. Dead people

863
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,119
have no manners, he thought. When he looked around, he

864
00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:12,639
saw a capple band with the same what are you

865
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,360
waiting for? Look on its face. Dead animals aren't much better.

866
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,280
Curious about the letter in his hand, Tim knew that

867
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,280
if he didn't look at it now, he wouldn't get

868
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,719
another chance. So he unrolled the parchment. O'donnah who had written?

869
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 2: Are you ready to do battle?

870
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,079
Speaker 9: The ink and the reply was still wet. We'll be

871
00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:35,400
there before you've finished reading. This was o'donnaugh who organized

872
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,159
in a war against this underwater kingdom. Conscious the time

873
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,320
seemed to be of the essence. Tim put the letter

874
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,280
in his pocket and slimbed down to Capital Bond's back.

875
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,519
As he suspected, the horse took off immediately across the seabed.

876
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,000
When it had gone up enough speed, it began ascending

877
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:56,159
until it broke through the surface, where the morning sun

878
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,800
had colored the sky red and gold. Across the waves,

879
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,320
they charged until he reached the Sandy Beach. From there

880
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,519
they retraced their steps through Cork and into the Kingdom

881
00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:11,280
of Kirey, through Gordenahan, by East Derry Lee and knocking Nimrish.

882
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,440
They flew until they reached Killerne and beyond it Lac Lane,

883
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,119
where o'donaho waited. When Capel Bahn came to a standstill,

884
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,519
Tim handed over the letter, which o'donaho read with his

885
00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:25,800
smile on his lips. How could anybody be happy about

886
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,119
going to war? Thought Tim, But of course he didn't

887
00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:32,400
verbialize his concerns, because that would be to admit he'd

888
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:33,039
read the letter.

889
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,119
Speaker 2: Thank you, Tim, Shay, said.

890
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,039
Speaker 9: O'donaho, taking the reins of Capel Barn. You have been

891
00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:42,639
most helpful, and for that I will reward you. It

892
00:44:42,639 --> 00:44:44,920
would be enough of a reward to leave me in peace,

893
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,400
thought Tim, for he'd had his fill of ghosts and

894
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,840
magic horses and under water castles. But of course he

895
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,199
didn't say any of this. I believe you like your games,

896
00:44:55,280 --> 00:45:00,920
Tim Shay asked o'donaho football and hurling football, Ma, the

897
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,599
phantom chief looked disappointed.

898
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: Not hurling. It's a far superior game.

899
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 9: Not in a kaindom is not, replied Tim proudly. O'donaho

900
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,800
copped his ear at some distant sound. I hear the

901
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,159
water for team coming. How would you like to see

902
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:18,480
the greatest hurling match of your life? Believe there wasn't

903
00:45:18,519 --> 00:45:21,360
going to be a war, Tim nodded. You can stay

904
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,280
to watch, Tim Shay, if you promise not to speak.

905
00:45:24,679 --> 00:45:26,159
I promise, said Tim.

906
00:45:26,559 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 2: I'm serious, warned O'donaho. Don't let a word out of

907
00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:34,280
your two lips, or you'll sup sorrow again.

908
00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:38,039
Speaker 9: Tim nodded, an easy price to pay o'donah, who rode

909
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:40,000
his horse back out into the middle of the lake

910
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:43,360
where the flower clad maidens waited, and they all disappeared

911
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,559
beneath the surface. There was a moment's silence before the

912
00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:50,320
sound of shouting rolled across the water, followed by hurlers

913
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,079
pucking a ball to each other. The water her team,

914
00:45:53,199 --> 00:45:55,960
thought Tim. When they got closer, he saw they were

915
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,719
the ghosts like O'donaho, but skeletal in appearance like the

916
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,480
lay from the underwater castle. They skipped across the waves,

917
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,599
passing the slither from hurley to bony hand. One particular player,

918
00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:10,199
with a cracked skull as a head, was charging ahead

919
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,800
of the pack with the ball balanced skillfully on the

920
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,239
end of his hurley, when a figure burst from under

921
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,239
the water, opending him and stealing the ball. It was

922
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,960
o'donaho himself, with a hurley instead of a sword and

923
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:24,559
dressed as a kerry herder instead of a knight. The

924
00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:27,480
rest of his team also exploded from beneath the waves

925
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,880
and collided with the water for players. Tim lost sight

926
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,360
of the ball in the kerfuffle, but then o'donna who

927
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,719
emerged with it and pucked it high towards Waterford's side

928
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,039
of the lake. When it landed on the shore, the

929
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:42,599
kerry players cheered, So that must be a score in

930
00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:47,199
ghost hurling, thought Tim. Waterford counterattacked with a vengeance, flicking

931
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,679
the ball from player to player until they were close

932
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,679
enough to shoot and land the ball on Kerry's shore level,

933
00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:56,960
thought Tim, His eyes glued to the strangest game of

934
00:46:57,039 --> 00:47:00,559
hurling he'd ever seen. As the game progressed, Waterford got

935
00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:03,920
the upper hand and went into a considerable lead. O'donahue

936
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,599
and his team seemed to lack the energy of their opponents.

937
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,559
Tim got so caught up in the match that he

938
00:47:08,639 --> 00:47:11,480
forgot about o'donnaugh who's warning. He never was one for

939
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:14,440
sitting quietly on the sideline anyway, And now he stood

940
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,639
on his lake side rock and roared at the carry

941
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,440
team thunder and turf, o'dnaho, what kind of hurlers are ye?

942
00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:24,440
Take off those carry jerseys? Because he heard disgrace to

943
00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:27,679
the kingdom. Play on the lake suddenly stopped, and the

944
00:47:27,679 --> 00:47:30,400
ghost hurlers all turned to look at him, as if

945
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:32,880
noticing him for the first time. He held up his

946
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,119
palms in apology at o'donoho, who merely shook his head

947
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:39,440
with disappointment. One of the water For team, a huge,

948
00:47:39,559 --> 00:47:42,920
ugly skeleton with only half a face, lumbered across the

949
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,519
water towards the mortal who had interrupted the game.

950
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 2: Tim thought he.

951
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 9: Would get a tell enough, but instead he got a

952
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,440
whack of a hurley on the head, knocking him out cold.

953
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,480
When he came to it was morning and the ghost

954
00:47:54,559 --> 00:47:58,039
hurlers of Rhen were gone. A gray mist kept across

955
00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:01,320
the lake and on to the shore. Cattle grazed quietly.

956
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,199
Tim Shay never sat up watching Jack Looney's cattle again,

957
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:08,320
and he always made sure to steal weldlier of luck

958
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,320
Lean on May Day. He was annoyed that nobody believed

959
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,159
this story about the ghostly hurling match, but he was

960
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,679
more annoyed that Kerry had been beaten. Be better at

961
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,559
football anyway, he muttered to himself.

962
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: Now next week I'm dedicating the first part of the

963
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:27,440
show to one of Cork's best paranormal investigators, Matthew Clarke

964
00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:30,840
of Cork's Paranormal Society. Luk at you, here's a taste

965
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,519
of what you went for. When did you first get

966
00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:34,199
interested in the paranormal?

967
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,039
Speaker 10: It would have been when I was about seven OA

968
00:48:37,559 --> 00:48:41,079
twenty seven twenty up twenty years ago. Me and my

969
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,280
sister were as a place locally to where we live

970
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:47,800
called the Nanoagle Cemetery and it's a convent. At the

971
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,039
time it was still in use as a convent and

972
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,679
you could walk around the cemetery, which we did. We

973
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,960
were in one summer's day and we've been in there

974
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,239
but now also just as we were leaving, we were

975
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,559
kind of going towards the convent building and we could

976
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:03,559
see smoke in one of the windows and we kind

977
00:49:03,559 --> 00:49:06,039
of went over to have a look at that investigated.

978
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,280
We were there for two or three minutes. The smoke

979
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:11,320
kind of developed into a human shape. I'll never forget

980
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,760
to see in the figure, the arms, particularly just so

981
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,719
cleare developed into a human shape. And then I remember

982
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,000
there was an older couple who were in the cemetery

983
00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:22,719
as well, and they thought as well from that moment

984
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,280
and where it was fascinated with the paran armand we

985
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,559
used to walk every day for years. We used to

986
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:29,760
go in there, but never saw anything like that again,

987
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,840
But that's kind of how it started over.

988
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,079
Speaker 1: To County Golway. Now, for part two of our chat

989
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,199
with Philip Costello of Paranormal Awakenings Ireland, I asked him

990
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,639
to describe Ross Harley Abby a recent investigation of his.

991
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 8: This would have been a place that had a lot

992
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,320
of monks that had stayed in us would have taken

993
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,960
in a lot of poor people to try and see

994
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,960
them and stuff. And of course it had been raided

995
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:57,920
by the Cromwell Army on a number of occasions and

996
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,719
a lot of monks and with them would have been

997
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,840
killed there. It has a dark side to it as

998
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:08,239
well because of that. I remember reading a story that

999
00:50:08,639 --> 00:50:12,320
someone had gone to their monastery and had seen bodies

1000
00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:16,119
or the bones of bodies just scattered around the place

1001
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,960
at one point, and even bones put into the window

1002
00:50:20,039 --> 00:50:23,079
sills with the grass grown in through the skulls and

1003
00:50:23,199 --> 00:50:26,719
in through the bones. That made a very eerie sort

1004
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:27,280
of a place.

1005
00:50:27,639 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, ominous and timidating.

1006
00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:32,679
Speaker 8: Yeah, So we went down to have a look and

1007
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,880
to have a wander around. It's an absolutely gorgeous spot.

1008
00:50:36,159 --> 00:50:40,199
It's an interesting spot. There's there's an old fisher fishermen

1009
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,239
a hole where they used to keep the fish as

1010
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,639
it's side the river, and the monks used to keep

1011
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,079
all the fish that they caught there to be able

1012
00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:50,679
to feed the people living in the monastery at the time.

1013
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,159
Speaker 1: Right, do you know what the Order of monks. These

1014
00:50:53,199 --> 00:50:56,480
were not off hands, no, and any EVPs.

1015
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,559
Speaker 8: Yeah, PJ had got one that says Jesus help us.

1016
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,400
While he was walking around, he was just talking about

1017
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,519
the all guttering and stuff that would have been able

1018
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:09,280
to gather water at the place. I think sorry, it

1019
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,239
would have been the Franciscans. I believe that were the

1020
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,639
most that were there at the time, and he got

1021
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,440
that VP there. Again, it's only when you go back

1022
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,719
to looking at these things, are listening to them that

1023
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,239
you realize you got something. So it's possible that it

1024
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,519
was a monk that might have been praying or monk

1025
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:26,960
that was killed, we don't know.

1026
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, begging for his life against the Cromwell's troops.

1027
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,559
Speaker 8: Probably absolutely, yeah, I mean there was there was dormitories there,

1028
00:51:34,639 --> 00:51:39,320
there was you know, bakehouses, dining areas, the monastery itself,

1029
00:51:39,679 --> 00:51:42,280
the church. I'm sure there would have been graveyard there

1030
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,679
at the time. You know, it's it's absolutely huge, huge

1031
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,719
area and again it's a National monument in Ireland that's

1032
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,639
maintained and looked after quite well as well. But it

1033
00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:58,760
would have been it's about the thirteen hundreds thirteen fifties

1034
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,079
area they reckon it was established, you know, and it

1035
00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:05,440
still has a fine structure and walls and stuff there today.

1036
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: We really have tombstones that are older than some countries.

1037
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:11,119
Histories in Ireland were spoiled.

1038
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 5: That's it.

1039
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're a younger man than I am. Do you

1040
00:52:14,199 --> 00:52:16,159
remember the go Away Baby case?

1041
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,599
Speaker 8: Vaguely? Yes. The story that I heard is that a

1042
00:52:19,679 --> 00:52:23,440
priest had a baby with a woman and the baby

1043
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:27,400
I think was murdered or in the house, or was

1044
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:30,800
buried in the foundation the house, something of that nature,

1045
00:52:31,079 --> 00:52:34,159
and when this family had moved in and their baby

1046
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,480
was in, it ended up causing a lot of disturbances

1047
00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:42,719
and the bolt issed activity. Yes, from this, I think

1048
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,480
there was a book and all written about it as

1049
00:52:44,519 --> 00:52:46,119
well at one stage, Oh there was.

1050
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what was done.

1051
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:48,559
Speaker 8: It was.

1052
00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: I think it was dramatized, you know, by either a

1053
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:57,159
Canadian or an American company. The accents were a trot.

1054
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,480
They were real bit dorapy. Oh yes, strap the pig

1055
00:53:01,519 --> 00:53:03,119
and rolled me in the mud. What the hell is

1056
00:53:03,159 --> 00:53:05,639
happening there now? Micheline was awful.

1057
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 8: I don't know why it's always predicted that way. It

1058
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:14,960
be sure. They were so bad.

1059
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 2: They were just.

1060
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 1: You know, Tom Cruise was like Lord Olivier compared to

1061
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,920
them with his Irish accent. You know, these were really metallic,

1062
00:53:26,199 --> 00:53:31,599
awful things. We're speaking to Philip Costello of Paranormal Awakenings Ireland.

1063
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,519
And Philip, you were talking to me earlier. You mentioned

1064
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:35,199
a castle to.

1065
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:41,079
Speaker 8: Me, Lacking Castle, Tipperary was an interesting visit. It's have

1066
00:53:41,199 --> 00:53:43,239
you ever heard of a pooka or a pooker?

1067
00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:44,519
Speaker 5: Is it the devil?

1068
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 9: Is it?

1069
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: Or there's a few paranormal just to at least I'm

1070
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,000
aware of called pooka. One is Pooka Vogue run by PJ. Sullivan,

1071
00:53:53,199 --> 00:53:55,719
lovely guy. And there's another one Pooka paranormal.

1072
00:53:55,960 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 8: The pooker would be a shape shifter, Yeah, deviant Irish mythology.

1073
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:06,159
It's known as a shape shift or a fairy, mysterious

1074
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,159
fairy that can cause you know, mischievous bits and bobs.

1075
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:13,559
Has the history with the Lacking Castle, which would have

1076
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:17,679
been owned by the O'Kennedy clan, which actually would be

1077
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:22,119
ancestors of O'Kennedy, the President Kennedy in America.

1078
00:54:22,199 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: I was just going to say that I thought they

1079
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,880
were Waxford people, but anyway, it's not it's a stone

1080
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,360
strow anyway, Tipperary one.

1081
00:54:28,599 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, apparently they have relations. These O'Kennedy clan would have

1082
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,559
been had, you know, ties with the President Kennedy from

1083
00:54:36,639 --> 00:54:39,880
what I had read in the history. But with this site,

1084
00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:42,960
the poker was known to be around this area, and

1085
00:54:43,039 --> 00:54:45,360
the legend goes that like there was an old hag

1086
00:54:45,679 --> 00:54:49,519
that was stealing from dead bodies and when the o'kennedy's

1087
00:54:49,679 --> 00:54:53,039
seen it, he he tried to chase her away and

1088
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,800
she ended up calling upon this pooker protector. So when

1089
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,639
the pooker came face faced with the the Kennedy fella

1090
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:06,599
with fiery red eyes and fiery nostrils a scary sight.

1091
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,639
But the O'Kennedy fellow was no pushover, and he was

1092
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:14,280
quite a good fighter and quite strong willed. Was said

1093
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:18,119
to have captured this pooker and he was brought back

1094
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,639
to Lacking Castle. And then as the door was open,

1095
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,199
one of the servants said, please don't bring him in here,

1096
00:55:24,679 --> 00:55:28,719
you'll bring misery and chaos upon yourself. But he captured

1097
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,360
the broker and they tied him up and he kept

1098
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,679
him in the castle. Now, long story short, himself and

1099
00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:37,239
the broker came to an agreement that he'd release him

1100
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,920
on a promise that he would never harm or hurt

1101
00:55:41,199 --> 00:55:44,960
any the Kennedy family, and he was released. But the

1102
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,039
story is that the poker is still known to be

1103
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:52,119
around that castle today. And once when we were there

1104
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,960
at night, we came across the photo that we had

1105
00:55:55,039 --> 00:55:58,840
taken of a very massive, tall figure in a window.

1106
00:55:59,199 --> 00:56:02,760
Very tall figure. We're not sure what it was, but

1107
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,880
if we reckon, it could have been this poker looking

1108
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,000
at us from this from this window sill. And we

1109
00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:12,079
actually had the picture on our Facebook page as well.

1110
00:56:12,159 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 1: I saw it a section where there's three of them

1111
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,360
and one of them is kind of colored. Yeah, yeah,

1112
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,480
that's weird. Al Right, I've seen it.

1113
00:56:19,639 --> 00:56:22,639
Speaker 8: Yeah, that would have been one of the things that

1114
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,199
we had found at that castle. But we also had

1115
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,599
an EVP there of help me coming from one of

1116
00:56:29,639 --> 00:56:32,679
the hallways of the castle. It was a male voice,

1117
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,880
but it was like a whispery male voice helped me.

1118
00:56:37,039 --> 00:56:38,960
So we don't know was it a soldier, was it

1119
00:56:39,079 --> 00:56:42,320
a servant. Was there someone that was living there, But

1120
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,440
it was a really interesting catch because we were going wrong.

1121
00:56:46,519 --> 00:56:50,159
We thought, Okay, it's quiet, it's cold, nothing's happening here.

1122
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,480
We're not going to get anything. But when we look

1123
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:57,519
back with PJ had caught this, help me set up.

1124
00:56:57,679 --> 00:57:01,559
Speaker 1: Tell me the most paranormally at a place you've ever been.

1125
00:57:03,199 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 8: It's hard to say. I'd have to say, left castle.

1126
00:57:05,679 --> 00:57:08,199
Speaker 1: Join the club, go on, what did you experience that?

1127
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,760
Speaker 8: Well, my first ever time would have been my first

1128
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,280
ever time here and tapping, you know, And again I

1129
00:57:13,559 --> 00:57:15,280
go back to the most all to think where I've

1130
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,480
heard it on TV or on on shows where you'd

1131
00:57:18,519 --> 00:57:23,119
hear they're like pits if there's someone there in the background,

1132
00:57:23,159 --> 00:57:24,800
tap of the wall or something. When we were in

1133
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,239
the in the castle, we experienced it ourselves, myself another

1134
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,920
guy at the time, and we felt it under our feet.

1135
00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:33,320
It was the strangest thing. It was like someone with

1136
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,159
their finger top tapping the bottom of your shoe. And

1137
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,119
it was loud, and we actually got recordings of this

1138
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,519
tappen because we were asking questions and we're asking about

1139
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,360
did you want to harm the female that was in

1140
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,880
the group, and the tapping was going nuts, and that

1141
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:50,760
would have been my first time we were hearing that,

1142
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,360
and it was it was interesting and it was yet

1143
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,360
a little eerie at the same time, we thought it

1144
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,679
was absolutely amazed. We couldn't believe what we were here

1145
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,960
because we had a little microphone as well that we've

1146
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,400
put onto the ground to try and make to capture

1147
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,280
it even better. But with our own ears, you could physically,

1148
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,440
you could physically hear this happened coming from the ground.

1149
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:13,360
And the ceilings in left Castle are not one where

1150
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,239
you start bating it from a stick down below. You know,

1151
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,480
shit wanted an awful mighty big stick. But that's just

1152
00:58:21,559 --> 00:58:24,079
one thing that would stand a lot for me, and

1153
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,199
you know another one would be in the Bloody Castle.

1154
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,360
In the Bloody Chapel. Sorry, I've left castle.

1155
00:58:29,639 --> 00:58:32,639
Speaker 1: This is where the murder took place. The brother killed

1156
00:58:32,679 --> 00:58:34,639
the priest brother something like that.

1157
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,199
Speaker 8: One brother wanted to take take over and he stabbed

1158
00:58:38,719 --> 00:58:41,320
his his priest brother in the back in the middle

1159
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,639
of mass given the name the Bloody Chapel.

1160
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: Blood chap.

1161
00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 8: Can't be. But we were doing an a VP session

1162
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,199
there and as we were doing it, stone started getting

1163
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,079
thrown down at us and we were like, okay, what

1164
00:58:58,239 --> 00:59:00,119
the hell is going on here? And we wreck and

1165
00:59:00,239 --> 00:59:04,320
it was the brother that had start. Sorry, Tig, I

1166
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,679
believe his name was that was thrown the stuff down

1167
00:59:06,719 --> 00:59:09,760
at us because again Peter got punped in the back

1168
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,639
earlier that night as well. And it would have been

1169
00:59:11,679 --> 00:59:14,280
in the same side that was said that the priests

1170
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,320
had been stabbed in, which is very strange. There would

1171
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,719
have been two things from there that we would stand

1172
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:20,599
out for us.

1173
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: That's where we leave it with Philip from Paranormal Awakenings Ireland.

1174
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,840
Remember you can hear a more extensive interview with him

1175
00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:31,400
on show number six of Scary Era, the previous one

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to this one, and you can check out all their

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pictures and EVPs on both Facebook and Instagram Paranormal Awakenings Ireland.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, a couple of things over the years. But

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I've learned, well I don't I suppose it's not learned.

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I've just become accustomed to it. And I think it's

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kind of it's it's maybe it's another sense or something.

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But often when you go into places, you will get

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a feeling for the place and you'll get a feeling

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of whether or not it's comfortable and whatever cause is that.

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Speaker 2: Who knows what causes that.

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Speaker 11: But we have an intuition, we have an inbuilt intuition.

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I can't describe what it is or where it comes from,

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or the physics of it or the chemistry of it,

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but it's there, and anybody will tell you to stick

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with your intuition. If you think something doesn't feel right,

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then don't hang around.

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Speaker 7: Superb advice from regular contributor to Scary Era, David McGlynn

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aka the Squire, and don't hang around either. If you've

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got an Irish paranormal tale to tell, simply email Paranormal

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Ireland at ProtonMail dot com.

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Speaker 1: This is Mark Manning from Scary Era saying goodbye, thanks

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to all our contributors. Goodbye, my darlings. Take care because

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I care.