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Gasey, Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker BTK Every 60 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:32.439 week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and 61 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:36.719 infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with your 62 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:38.719 host journalist and author. 63 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:53.639 Dan Zufanski, Good Evening. The case of San Antonio nurse 64 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:58.039 Janine Jones, convicted in nineteen eighty four murdering children in 65 00:02:58.080 --> 00:03:01.479 her care and now suspect of having killed as many 66 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:07.759 as sixteen infants, made national headlines A horrifying true life 67 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:12.000 medical thriller. This report, by an editor of Texas Monthly, 68 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:16.120 is written in an understated style that adds to its impact. 69 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:21.120 Despite her dismissal from a hospital post weird medical obsessions, 70 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:24.120 a history of lying in major on the job errors, 71 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:28.439 Jones breezed from one nursing job to the next. The 72 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:33.280 case is intriguing elements a young, ambitious prosecuting da, a 73 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:36.400 naive support of close associate of the Qu' serial killer, 74 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:40.879 a public hospital administration that suspected criminal wrongdoing but failed 75 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:45.520 to notify the police and was later accused of cover up. Elkind, 76 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:48.800 who spares no one, notes with dismay that Jones could 77 00:03:48.840 --> 00:03:52.159 be eligible for parole as early as next year. The 78 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:54.560 book that we're featuring this evening is The Death Shift, 79 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:58.599 with my special guest, journalist and author Peter Elkine. Welcome 80 00:03:58.599 --> 00:04:01.360 to the program, and thank you for greenness interview. Peter Elkind. 81 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:05.360 Very good to be with you, Dan, Thank you very much. 82 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:10.680 Let's get right into this incredible, incredible tale. I think 83 00:04:10.719 --> 00:04:14.199 some people know the bigger story, I would say, but 84 00:04:14.360 --> 00:04:17.480 not any of the incredible details that you have had 85 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:22.639 incredible access to and bring the reader this which is 86 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:25.240 now a true crime classic. So the question I want 87 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:27.639 to ask you is when did this first come out? Peter, 88 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:31.680 And tell us a little bit about the diversion reissue, 89 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:34.600 tell us a little bit about Death Shift, and sure, 90 00:04:34.839 --> 00:04:37.399 what's happening with this classic through crime book? 91 00:04:37.439 --> 00:04:40.959 Now? Sure? Sure? Well, this is going back a few 92 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:45.519 years when I was actually not even a magazine writer. 93 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:47.639 I was thinking about going to law school. I took 94 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:51.639 a freelance assignment for Texas Monthly magazine about a case 95 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:55.240 that had broken on the I'm the wires, making front 96 00:04:55.240 --> 00:04:57.240 page news across the country and the New York Times 97 00:04:57.279 --> 00:05:00.360 and elsewhere about a nurse who was suspective of kids 98 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:03.360 under her care. This is in nineteen eighty three, and 99 00:05:03.399 --> 00:05:06.959 she was suspected but not indicted or prosecuted at that stage. 100 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:09.920 And I wrote a long magazine article for Texas Monthly 101 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:12.040 and got offered a job and went to work as 102 00:05:12.079 --> 00:05:15.079 a journalist and never went to law school, and I 103 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:18.519 now work at Fortune Magazine, going on to other stuff, 104 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:23.240 but I went back as the case proceeded, as she 105 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:27.759 was indicted, convicted, and covered her trials and wrote This 106 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:30.720 book was published in nineteen eighty eight eighty nine, and 107 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:35.160 first hardcover and then paperback, and it was in print 108 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:37.680 for a number of years and then finally out of print, 109 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:42.680 and we've just recently republished it with Diversion Books as 110 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:43.160 an ebook. 111 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:52.920 Fantastic. Now, before we introduce the characters in this incredible tragedy, 112 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:58.079 let's talk about important places. The location, so as you 113 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:00.120 talk about in your book, this is a ninth the 114 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:03.519 largest city in the US, San Antonio and one of 115 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:06.879 the poorest cities, as you say, and home to some 116 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:11.000 famous stuff like the Alamo, which is yes, incredible. So 117 00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:13.439 tell us a little bit about the rise in population 118 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:17.879 and the importance or the rise in importance of San Antonio, 119 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:20.279 what it ended up being and what it is today. 120 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:22.639 Tell us a little sure, Santonio. 121 00:06:23.079 --> 00:06:24.920 I mean, Santao is one of the one of America's 122 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:29.279 oldest cities and in a very colorful place, Alamo history 123 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:31.800 being just a piece of it, but for a long 124 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:35.120 time had a pretty rough and tumble legacy, which I 125 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:36.959 talk about in the book. And as I talk about 126 00:06:37.040 --> 00:06:41.759 Janine Jones' father, who was a gambler, owned a wild 127 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:48.839 night club, had a really interesting, larger than life story himself, 128 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:52.680 and and I try to tell the story of the 129 00:06:52.680 --> 00:06:57.000 city as well as the story of her family. And 130 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:02.040 San Antonio's had a very were in a large poor population, 131 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:06.439 largely Hispanic population, which relied extremely heavily on the charity 132 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:09.399 hospital in town, which was first called Bear County Hospital 133 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:14.079 and then renamed Medical Center Hospital. It was moved from 134 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:19.079 downtown where most of the impoverished population of the city 135 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:24.000 lived near there, and then moved to the affluent suburbs 136 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:28.759 to the north of towntown because the city was eager 137 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:32.560 to see it become a more prestigious institution and attract 138 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:37.199 paying patients. But nonetheless it remained the hospital of last 139 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:43.680 resort where poor, poor residents in San Antonio went for 140 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:45.720 their emergency care and for hospitalization. 141 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:52.639 Now, tell us a little bit about Janine Jones and 142 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:55.480 how she came to be with the Jones family. She 143 00:07:55.480 --> 00:08:00.319 would tell us about the adoption and her life in 144 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:00.920 this family. 145 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:07.399 Sure well, her parents couldn't have kids. Her father's Dick Jones, 146 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:10.399 as I mentioned, it's sort of larger than life, very 147 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:14.639 colorful character in town, ran nightclubs and was a gambler 148 00:08:14.720 --> 00:08:18.399 himself once upon a time, and they he and his 149 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:23.240 wife Gladys, adopted three kids, and there was a tragic 150 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:27.319 history there. Janine's younger brother blew himself up with a 151 00:08:27.319 --> 00:08:33.080 homemade pipe bomb, her other brother died of cancer, and 152 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:37.039 she even this all contributed to her sense of being 153 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:42.519 a victim and also seeking attention throughout her life. But 154 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:46.960 her dad was a very flamboyant man and sort of 155 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:50.360 in and out of trouble himself over his lifetime, and 156 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:53.720 then passed away and she was left with her mother, 157 00:08:53.759 --> 00:08:55.639 with whom she had a very contentious relationship. 158 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:00.000 One of the things that I thought was very profuned 159 00:09:00.039 --> 00:09:04.360 on and eerily important is that when you say his 160 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:09.320 brother Travis, where her brother Travis uh uh died with 161 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:12.000 the pipe bomb, was her reaction at the grave site. 162 00:09:12.039 --> 00:09:13.840 So tell us a little bit about the reaction at 163 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:15.679 the grave site, and which will be important when we 164 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:17.639 talk about this case as it at all. 165 00:09:17.759 --> 00:09:21.879 Well, yeah, she she reacted. She reacted as she did 166 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:27.279 h later as a nurse with great drama, you know, 167 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:32.919 uh burst into tears uh and and later on with 168 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:36.919 kids who died under her care, she would wail and 169 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:41.080 moan and cradle the bodies of kids she cared for 170 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:43.759 and who she may well have contributed to their deaths 171 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:47.759 in a very dramatic fashion. She she cared about She 172 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:49.480 made it appear us that she cared about them more 173 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:51.799 than anybody, even their parents. 174 00:09:53.679 --> 00:09:57.080 Now, you talk quite a bit about the character of 175 00:09:57.480 --> 00:10:01.960 Jannine Jones through all these tragedies that happened, and her 176 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:05.159 father dies at a fairly early age as well, But 177 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:08.159 she had inherited a lot of the characteristics you talk about. 178 00:10:08.200 --> 00:10:11.720 Some of the things she inherited was refusal to mince words, 179 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:14.039 very much like her father, and affection for the spotlight. 180 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:18.120 And you talk about the gamblers comfort with risk. So 181 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:21.799 tell us a little bit more about the characteristics of Janine. 182 00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:23.879 And and while you're at it too, you also talk 183 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:27.720 describe her her appearance, which is important I think in 184 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:31.000 two and to her her self esteem and and basically 185 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:33.159 some of the behavior that she has when she's young. 186 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:34.960 So tell us a little bit about some of the 187 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:36.360 characteristics behavior. 188 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:39.759 Sure, she was. She was a very plain girl. She 189 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:45.200 was unattractive, and she was very conscious of that. And 190 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:49.399 and you know, throughout her life as a child and older, 191 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:52.759 was clamoring for attention and did all sorts of dramatic 192 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:58.399 things to gain attention, including tell elaborate lies about relative 193 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:01.360 who she claimed it relative was a member of a band, 194 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:06.039 and remember the monkeys. As I recall, she told all 195 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:10.399 kinds of tall tales which people were very persuaded of 196 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:15.000 because she was very convincing, but was sort of desperate 197 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:17.639 to get attention. And she did all sorts of things 198 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:21.000 to put herself on the spotlight. And that was true 199 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:22.279 of her as a child. 200 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:29.120 Now you talk about her school and that really basically 201 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:32.440 all the reports were that she wasn't a horrible student, 202 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:36.440 but she was uninspired. But there was one area where 203 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:40.000 she really excelled, especially, and so tell us a little 204 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:42.840 bit where she did excel and seemed to come into 205 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:44.080 her own It seemed you. 206 00:11:44.039 --> 00:11:49.720 Mean in nursing school. Yes, well, I mean, well, initially 207 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:56.960 she actually got involved in her first kind of hospitals 208 00:11:57.000 --> 00:12:01.080 as a beautician, and she worked actually as a hospital beautician, 209 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:06.120 and then went back to become a licensed vocational nurse 210 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:12.360 and her special skill as a as an LVN, even 211 00:12:12.399 --> 00:12:14.840 though she's less trained than registered nurses, and she was very, 212 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:19.720 very talented at starting ivs, at starting intravenous lines, and 213 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:23.320 particularly when you're a pediatric nurse, starting an IVY is 214 00:12:23.360 --> 00:12:26.399 a tricky thing because little kid's veins are so tiny 215 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:29.159 and it takes a lot of skill to uh to 216 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:32.159 start the IVY without sticking the kid three and four 217 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:35.200 and five times, which obviously is difficult with a whiggling 218 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:39.120 child and crying child as well as especially kid who's 219 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:42.840 very sick. So that became, you know, sort of her 220 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:45.240 stocking trade a little bit early on in her nursing 221 00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:47.840 career that she could start an iv and and and 222 00:12:47.919 --> 00:12:50.120 stick a nurse, stick an ivy and a fly, as 223 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:50.960 one person put it. 224 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:54.720 Now, for the people that don't know as well, we 225 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:56.799 kind of skipped the head there, but we do have 226 00:12:56.840 --> 00:13:01.480 a lot to cover anyway, we were talking about the LVN. 227 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:03.519 So for those people that don't know the difference between 228 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:06.919 an arien and an lv and why did Janine seem 229 00:13:06.960 --> 00:13:11.679 to gravitate towards this one year only course the LVN 230 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:14.960 tell us the sculstances why she wanted to do that? 231 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:18.000 Sure, well, she was she was tight on money, and 232 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:20.720 and she wasn't really in a position to go to 233 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:23.799 nursing school for to get a registered nursing degree, which 234 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:28.039 takes a good bit longer of schooling. So she basically 235 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:30.679 wanted to get in and get out. And I don't 236 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:32.879 recall the exact length of the time of the training program, 237 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:36.320 but it's it's much less difficult than much less time 238 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:39.519 consuming than being a registered nurse, but you also have 239 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:42.600 less training. And there's a kind of a bright line 240 00:13:42.919 --> 00:13:45.399 in the nursing world between the licensed nurses, the licensed 241 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:49.639 vocational nurses, and the registered nurses. The registered nurses are 242 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:53.480 typically regarded as a cut above because they've had more training, 243 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:57.159 and they rank higher on the totem pole. And she 244 00:13:57.200 --> 00:13:59.519 had a chip on her shoulder for all sorts of reasons, 245 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:01.080 and that was just one of them. 246 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:05.720 Now let's go back too, because it's important what her 247 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:09.799 behavior is in terms of relationships. She's married right after 248 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:12.279 high school, and then we talk about the children, and 249 00:14:12.320 --> 00:14:16.120 then we talk about the stormy relationship that she had 250 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:19.320 with her mother, Gladys, but Gladys ends up being the 251 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:22.399 person that basically rears her kids. So let's go back 252 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:24.840 and talk about her personality and how was she with 253 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:31.320 her own children basically, and while she's becoming this nurse 254 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:34.039 and seems to have found her little niche with this 255 00:14:34.200 --> 00:14:37.639 one year course this l VN. Before we start talking 256 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:40.600 about her behavior at work, what was what was it 257 00:14:40.720 --> 00:14:41.279 like at home? 258 00:14:42.320 --> 00:14:45.480 Well, she had a very stormy marriage. She married a 259 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:51.200 fellow named Jim Delaney, and her husband at one point 260 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:57.480 went off to become a sailor, and she while she 261 00:14:57.679 --> 00:15:01.440 while he was gone, and she engaged and affairs. She 262 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:05.320 engaged in affairs with friends actually family friends, her husband's friends, 263 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:11.720 and it would boast about her sexual exploits to people 264 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:16.360 she knew and eventually the colleagues at the hospital. So 265 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:20.799 it was a difficult marriage. Her husband wasn't didn't hear 266 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:26.120 much of a living, so she was she was helping 267 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:29.279 bring home the bacon and they had a very stormy 268 00:15:29.320 --> 00:15:31.039 relationship and it didn't end very well. 269 00:15:32.960 --> 00:15:35.720 Now, Dick Jones had done well for himself at one time, 270 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:38.120 and enough to the point where he had made plans 271 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:42.200 that his offspring, his adopted children could live with him, 272 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:45.879 so her and her husband lived on the Jones estates, 273 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:48.600 so which again he didn't work much. So did this helped? 274 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:51.720 And again, what was the role of the mother really 275 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:55.200 early on? And what was the relationship with Janine and 276 00:15:55.279 --> 00:15:58.320 her children? How close was she with her daughter and 277 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:01.039 her son? And tell us a little bit about that. 278 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:07.840 Yeah, well, Gladys Gladys. Gladys had her own issues. She 279 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:10.320 had a drinking problem at one point and then stopped drinking. 280 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:14.480 Dick Jones, as I said, had a had a history 281 00:16:14.519 --> 00:16:16.240 of being a gambler, was kind of a famous San 282 00:16:16.279 --> 00:16:19.600 Antonio gambler, and then insisted that he hadn't gambled for 283 00:16:19.639 --> 00:16:28.720 many years, and he was he then had had He 284 00:16:28.799 --> 00:16:30.759 was what we'd call now call an entrepreneur, he had 285 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:33.919 a outdoor billboard company. He had a lot of different businesses. 286 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:37.360 He's kind of a wheeler dealer, and Janine loved to 287 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:41.519 hang out with him, and she was she was really 288 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:45.279 he was really the parent who she attached herself to. 289 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:49.039 He loved his sense of drama, his bluntness amid sort 290 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:52.480 of high profile, his h He's a very colorful character, 291 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:55.320 and I think she really tried to model herself after 292 00:16:55.399 --> 00:16:57.919 him in a lot of ways. Her mother, who was 293 00:16:58.000 --> 00:17:02.000 left at home to take care of the kids, she 294 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:04.279 was less close to, and after her father died, she 295 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:07.559 had a very on again, off again stormy relationship with her, 296 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:11.720 even while her mother took care of Jeanne's two children 297 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:14.759 while Jeanine was working very very long hours in the hospital. 298 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:15.759 After she became a nurse. 299 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:23.799 Well, let's talk about her first assignment at the hospital 300 00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:25.559 that she first works at. And you can tell us 301 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:30.559 what hospital she works at, and what are these again? 302 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:33.480 What is her characteristics of her behavior there? She's only 303 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:37.119 in LVN and there are registered nurses there, so how 304 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:40.079 does she act despite her lack of training? 305 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:44.440 Yeah, Well, she started out at excuse me, her first 306 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:47.559 job was at Methodist Hospital, private hospital in San Antonio, 307 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:52.079 and she began on her shift that became her favorite, 308 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:55.400 which was a three to eleven shift, and she worked 309 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:57.599 in the cardiac intensive carry unit where she was dealing 310 00:17:57.599 --> 00:18:00.880 with a lot of patients with life threatening problems adults 311 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:06.240 but serious medical problems. And she was fired. She was 312 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:09.680 fired after about eight months on the job. There was 313 00:18:09.680 --> 00:18:12.759 a performance review that said missus Jones tends to make 314 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:15.640 judgments that she has neither the experience nor authority to make. 315 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:20.440 So she was dismissed, and she later insisted that it 316 00:18:20.480 --> 00:18:22.640 was and this was sort of a pattern that you'd 317 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:26.759 see that that developed. One that she would have trouble 318 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:30.079 with her supervisors and her early jobs got fired, and 319 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:32.400 two that she would blame it on everyone else. It 320 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:34.799 was never her fault. She said she had a conflict 321 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:36.759 with a doctor. She said it was a lack of 322 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:38.880 feeling on the physician's part toward a patient and I 323 00:18:38.920 --> 00:18:40.720 stood up for the patient and he didn't like it. 324 00:18:41.079 --> 00:18:44.720 They asked me to resign. In fact, the hospital records, 325 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:47.400 personnel records which i'd seen, show that it was complaints 326 00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:49.599 by a patient that led to her firing. And this 327 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:51.880 again was the pattern that took place time and time 328 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:55.279 again before she got to the County Hospital Medical Center 329 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:59.839 hospital where all these terrible incidents occurred, that she would 330 00:18:59.880 --> 00:19:04.000 have problem, She would be insubordinate, and she would blame 331 00:19:04.079 --> 00:19:06.079 all her difficulties and someone else, saying that she was 332 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:08.200 just sticking up for the doctors, or sticking up for 333 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:12.119 the patient's excuse me, or that she was pointing out 334 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:15.240 that the doctors were incompetent or had made mistakes. She 335 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:17.160 was always right, they were always wrong. There was never 336 00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:20.200 any questioned about it. She also had a very dramatic 337 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:25.240 manner about her. There was another episode that she was 338 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:28.559 written up in the hospital report which described that and 339 00:19:28.599 --> 00:19:31.319 this is reading from this, that miss Jones began crying 340 00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:33.279 in front of patient as she was reviewing the previous 341 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:37.400 evening's incident. This is an incident involving a patient and 342 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:41.640 after Miss Jones left, patient noticed the nurse notified the 343 00:19:41.720 --> 00:19:44.519 nurse complaining of chest pain, nervousness, and high blood pressure. 344 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:47.920 The doctor was notified drugs had to be ordered. Anyway, 345 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:52.240 They conclude that she was insubordinate on professional and ushered 346 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:55.480 her out and again she blamed it on others. 347 00:19:58.720 --> 00:20:03.599 Now, the most I guess horrifying and surprising thing is 348 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:09.000 is that you talk about the dramatic nursing shortage and 349 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:14.119 just because of administration and lots of the I guess ego, 350 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:19.839 that's evident, but there are other important factors evidence here 351 00:20:20.359 --> 00:20:23.599 that would make that when she applies for another job, 352 00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:28.559 what is the procedure and what in practicality happens in 353 00:20:28.680 --> 00:20:34.400 terms of recommendation or not recommendation from a hospital where 354 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:38.400 she has had a problem, like she's just had well. 355 00:20:38.880 --> 00:20:42.200 By the time she applied to Medical Center Hospital, which 356 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:44.440 was previously know a Bear Well was Bear County Hospital 357 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:47.200 when she first applied there later became known as Medical 358 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:50.519 Center Hospital, she had already been fired from a couple 359 00:20:50.559 --> 00:20:52.240 of jobs in the period of less than a year, 360 00:20:53.759 --> 00:20:58.720 but nonetheless they did very little due diligence she applied 361 00:20:58.759 --> 00:21:02.799 to She applied to the coronary cure unit at the 362 00:21:02.839 --> 00:21:05.440 County Hospital and there wasn't an opening, And then they 363 00:21:05.480 --> 00:21:07.359 raised the question of whether she'd be interested in working 364 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:10.759 at pediatrics, and she said yeah, and she went to 365 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:14.400 work and they really didn't check her background at all. 366 00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:17.279 And given the nursing shortage, they were eager to hire 367 00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:20.160 nurses even if they've had some problems elsewhere, but it 368 00:21:20.160 --> 00:21:23.799 doesn't look like they really even investigated what had happened 369 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:27.319 at the other places and why she'd been ushered out. 370 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:33.319 Now, to sort of round out her character, she's divorced 371 00:21:33.319 --> 00:21:37.559 when she's twenty three, but you include story, an interesting 372 00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:41.160 story about when she is pregnant. She claims that it's 373 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:45.039 this person named Keith Martin. So tell us a little 374 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:48.440 bit about a couple of these stories where you're demonstrating 375 00:21:49.079 --> 00:21:51.039 something very dramatic about her character. 376 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:58.599 Well, there's there is an ambiguity about something which typically 377 00:21:58.680 --> 00:22:01.039 isn't very ambiguous, which is who was the father of 378 00:22:01.079 --> 00:22:06.039 her child, And it was a mystery to family, and 379 00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:10.400 she made claims to her parents, to her mother rather 380 00:22:10.920 --> 00:22:12.440 that it was his fellow Keith Martin, who was a 381 00:22:12.440 --> 00:22:15.160 friend of hers. Well, Keith Martin later acknowledged to me 382 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:17.839 that he was gay and that he had never been 383 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:20.839 romantically or sexually involved with Jeanne Jones. There were friends, 384 00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:25.119 and nonetheless she identified him as the father in order 385 00:22:25.160 --> 00:22:27.519 to provide kind of a respectable cover for what was 386 00:22:27.559 --> 00:22:32.039 going on. It appears it's my understanding that in fact 387 00:22:32.079 --> 00:22:36.119 the father of her child was was her former husband 388 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:40.279 that they'd gotten together and she gotten pregnant, but her 389 00:22:40.279 --> 00:22:43.160 mother didn't like the ex husband, so she Janine told 390 00:22:43.160 --> 00:22:45.279 a different story, told a lie about who the real 391 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:45.920 father was. 392 00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:53.759 Now, in nineteen seventy eight, she's at the pediatric Intensive 393 00:22:53.759 --> 00:22:58.400 care unit at Bexter County Hospital. You talk about it 394 00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:02.240 being a charity hospital near the city's barrio and slum, 395 00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:04.200 so tell us a little bit more about what kind 396 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:06.319 of hospital it was and where it really was and 397 00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:09.880 the kind of people that really did in practical terms, serve. 398 00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:14.119 Yeah, it's actually called Bear County Hospital. It's a tricky pronunciation, 399 00:23:14.319 --> 00:23:18.480 but it's it's San Antonio's charity hospital at San Antonio's 400 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:22.119 County Hospital, which is where poor patients go for treatment 401 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:27.759