1 00:00:16,199 --> 00:00:19,519 Speaker 1: And we are back with another edition of the Federalist 2 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,320 Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, senior elections correspondent at the 3 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:28,079 Federalist and your experienced Shirpa on today's quest for Knowledge. 4 00:00:28,519 --> 00:00:31,480 As always, you can email the show at radio at 5 00:00:31,519 --> 00:00:36,079 the Federalist dot com, follow us on x at FDR LST, 6 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,640 make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcast, and 7 00:00:39,799 --> 00:00:43,079 of course to the premium version of our website as well. 8 00:00:43,679 --> 00:00:47,000 Our guest today is Chuck Mooth, president of the Citizen 9 00:00:47,079 --> 00:00:54,920 Outreach Foundation, a Nevada elections integrity watchdog. They are definitely 10 00:00:55,039 --> 00:00:59,039 watching and it's an overtime job for sure. Chuck, Welcome 11 00:00:59,079 --> 00:01:01,039 to the Federalist Radio. Thanks for being here. 12 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,359 Speaker 2: Oh, Matt, thank you so much for having me on. 13 00:01:03,399 --> 00:01:05,799 I appreciate the opportunity. Absolutely. 14 00:01:05,799 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: We've talked on a number of occasions on what's happening 15 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,840 in Nevada, key critical swing state in this election. Give 16 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,879 us a sense before we get into some of the litigation, 17 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,920 what's going on in the ground in Nevada in terms 18 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:20,760 of election integrity. 19 00:01:20,799 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: Now, well, the big thing is what our organization has 20 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:30,840 been focusing on, are the voting roles themselves. Nevada is 21 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:35,359 an extremely transient state. We've got people moving in and 22 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:40,519 out all the time, and unfortunately the elections departments in 23 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,599 the various there's seventeen counties and seventeen counties have a 24 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,560 difficult time keeping up with it. And so we decided 25 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,359 to get involved about a year and a half, almost 26 00:01:50,439 --> 00:01:53,799 two years ago, to provide some assistance to the county 27 00:01:53,799 --> 00:01:57,280 clerks using technology that is available now that may not 28 00:01:57,319 --> 00:01:59,599 be available to them, or if it is available, they 29 00:01:59,599 --> 00:02:03,319 have not chosen to use it yet. Because if you 30 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,920 don't now that. Nevada, in twenty twenty one, the legislature 31 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:12,280 made us an automatic all mail in election, so every 32 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,080 active voter automatically gets a ballot. So that made it 33 00:02:15,159 --> 00:02:18,479 extremely important to make sure we have the best, cleanest 34 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,400 voter files possible to avoid even the potential of voting 35 00:02:22,439 --> 00:02:23,120 fraud ac current. 36 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely when that happened, and of course all of 37 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,159 this was in the wake of COVID, where we saw 38 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:35,159 so much erosion of election integrity despite the usual suspects 39 00:02:35,159 --> 00:02:38,719 in the accomplice media and the election experts. And how 40 00:02:38,759 --> 00:02:41,080 many times have we been burned by the so called 41 00:02:41,159 --> 00:02:43,960 experts over the last several years in this country but 42 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:49,879 there are problems, you know, and when you go to 43 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:55,879 a universal male ballot situation, well that raises some questions 44 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:01,520 and concerns. So what have you been seeing happening in 45 00:03:02,199 --> 00:03:04,400 counties across the state on that front. 46 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 2: Well, I think probably the most interesting part of me 47 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,280 starting to look into this issue is it really is 48 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,199 like healing an onion. Just when you think you figured 49 00:03:18,319 --> 00:03:22,319 one aspect of it out, the monkey wrench gets thrown in. 50 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,599 You learn something else and oh no, we can't do 51 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,280 it that way. We have to do it this way. 52 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,080 It's part of the reason why after the twenty twenty 53 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:35,479 election and the Trump campaign in Nevada and Novata Republican Party, 54 00:03:36,159 --> 00:03:41,560 after the election was over, they started questioning and leveling allegations, 55 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,400 but they really hadn't looked closely into the laws and 56 00:03:45,439 --> 00:03:49,199 the processes and the procedures that were necessary in order 57 00:03:49,319 --> 00:03:52,560 to make a valid plane that there was something wrong. 58 00:03:52,719 --> 00:03:55,800 So I'll tell you the first six to eight months, 59 00:03:55,919 --> 00:03:59,080 Matt I spent most of my time on this project 60 00:03:59,199 --> 00:04:01,400 just trying to learn learn all the ins and outs 61 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,280 of the laws. Nevada has very complicated laws, very restrictive, 62 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,719 and so it's been all right, Well, let's try this, 63 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,520 and then we get slapped down and said, no, you 64 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,080 can't do it that way, you have to do it 65 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:16,120 this way. But we finally beginning of this year, I 66 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:21,120 think we really started the narrow down. We're using official 67 00:04:21,319 --> 00:04:26,720 government data. We're only using the election departments voter registration data, 68 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,759 we're only using the post offices national change of address data, 69 00:04:31,079 --> 00:04:33,519 so no one can say that we're using third party data. 70 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,040 But we still we wanted to make sure that what 71 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,120 we were looking at was accurate. So instead of just 72 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,839 assuming that the data was accurate, we actually sent boots 73 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,079 on the ground. We sent volunteers out the people's homes 74 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,879 where we suspected a voter no longer lived. The current 75 00:04:49,959 --> 00:04:53,120 resident would verify no, mister Jones no longer lives here. 76 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,439 He hasn't been here for two years, and we had 77 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,920 them sign an official non resident report attesting to that fact. 78 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,319 So I think we're using the write data, we're following 79 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,600 the right procedures, and we've confirmed the data to make 80 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:08,439 sure that it's reliable. So I think we've done this 81 00:05:08,519 --> 00:05:10,079 in a very responsible manner. 82 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: I think you've met with some success. If I'm not mistaken, 83 00:05:13,519 --> 00:05:17,920 how many of these old addresses, These voters who should 84 00:05:17,959 --> 00:05:20,439 no longer be on the voter rolls because again you're 85 00:05:20,519 --> 00:05:23,279 using multiple sources to find out that they're not at 86 00:05:23,319 --> 00:05:26,759 that address, they're not in that area. In fact, many 87 00:05:26,759 --> 00:05:28,879 of these folks have moved out of state. They shouldn't 88 00:05:28,879 --> 00:05:31,279 be in the voter roles to begin with, How many 89 00:05:31,319 --> 00:05:34,480 have you found and what's been the response from the 90 00:05:34,519 --> 00:05:36,279 local elections officials thus far. 91 00:05:37,519 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 2: Initially we started working with the Clark County Election Department. 92 00:05:41,439 --> 00:05:45,439 That's the largest county in Nevada, that's where Las Vegas is. 93 00:05:46,079 --> 00:05:49,040 Three quarters of our voting population is in Clark County, 94 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,439 and I got to say that working with them, the 95 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,560 Clark County Register our voters, they were very helpful. They 96 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,639 understood what we were doing, they knew we were doing 97 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:03,360 it in a nonpartisan fact and when we had questions, 98 00:06:03,439 --> 00:06:07,000 they very quickly answered them. If we were doing something incorrectly, 99 00:06:07,319 --> 00:06:09,879 they showed us how to do it correctly. So we 100 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,800 didn't really have a problem working with the local elections officials. Now, 101 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:20,040 we started filing those non resident reports back in January February, 102 00:06:21,079 --> 00:06:22,519 and we're able to verify that it was a couple 103 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,680 hundred that we filed with the Election Department. They put 104 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,839 those in their system when they did their routine list 105 00:06:29,959 --> 00:06:33,319 maintenance mailing in July. I think it was a late 106 00:06:33,399 --> 00:06:36,920 June July, and they were removed from the voter roles. 107 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,879 Were tracking it. We're making sure that once we follow 108 00:06:39,959 --> 00:06:42,720 report that they are getting processed, and they are, and 109 00:06:42,759 --> 00:06:45,279 when I say removed, I should qualify that they're not 110 00:06:45,439 --> 00:06:49,439 removed from the voting roles. They're put from active status 111 00:06:49,439 --> 00:06:53,360 into inactive status, which means they won't automatically be mailed 112 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,120 to ballot. If they do show up to vote, then 113 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,279 they're going to have to prove that they are in 114 00:06:58,319 --> 00:07:01,360 fact eligible to vote and that they and confirm their 115 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,879 residency right now. 116 00:07:03,879 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: You've had obviously some resistance, which is not unusual, certainly 117 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,040 in the swing states and certainly in states where you 118 00:07:12,199 --> 00:07:16,160 have leftist elections officials. Quite frankly, as we've seen up 119 00:07:16,199 --> 00:07:20,839 and down the line between Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada, Arizona, Pennsylvania, 120 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:29,519 North Carolina. But recently because of some apparent stonewalling, you 121 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,800 have had to file some complaints. This from my colleague 122 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,959 Sean Fleetwood at the Federalists several Nevada clerks are failing 123 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,759 to undertake their legally required duty to process citizen led 124 00:07:41,879 --> 00:07:46,800 challenges potentially ineligible voters on the state's registration list. A 125 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:52,160 lawsuit filed by you folks at the Citizen Outreach Foundation 126 00:07:52,439 --> 00:07:56,680 and the project that you've been working on, the pig 127 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,000 Pen project. This is in, as I understand it, Carson 128 00:08:00,199 --> 00:08:03,759 City and Story County. Tell us what's going on there. 129 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, this again gets to the how complicated and confusing 130 00:08:08,839 --> 00:08:12,759 this can be. In Nevada, there are two different statutes 131 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,879 that allow a citizen to challenge a voter. The one 132 00:08:17,959 --> 00:08:22,000 is called Section five forty seven, and the big difference 133 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,519 with those challenges is that they have to be filed 134 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,319 only thirty days before an election. It has to be 135 00:08:28,399 --> 00:08:34,039 filed by someone living in the same precinct as the 136 00:08:34,159 --> 00:08:37,960 challenged voter, and you have to have personal knowledge that 137 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:43,039 the voter has moved. So we filed a dozen test 138 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:48,159 cases under that section before the June eleventh primary. They 139 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,559 were rejected, primarily because they said that we didn't have 140 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,759 personal knowledge of the voter, which they considered you have 141 00:08:56,799 --> 00:08:59,440 to have first person knowledge and if we were the 142 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,960 current resis and we said, oh, well, you know that 143 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,399 person moved out, they don't live here anymore. That's considered 144 00:09:04,639 --> 00:09:08,240 in this statute personal knowledge. So once those were rejected, 145 00:09:08,279 --> 00:09:11,600 we went back and looked at the statutes deeper and 146 00:09:11,799 --> 00:09:15,240 the second potential for filing a challenge is under section 147 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,279 five thirty five, and the wording is different in that 148 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,399 any voter can challenge any voter in the state. It 149 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,919 can be done at any time, not just thirty days 150 00:09:24,919 --> 00:09:29,159 before an election. And the definition of personal knowledge is different. 151 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,000 In the earlier challenges that said you had to have 152 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,480 personal knowledge of the voter, but in section five thirty 153 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,080 five it said you had to have personal knowledge of 154 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:42,039 the facts that the challenge is based on. Well, the 155 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,480 fact is the official government database says that this person 156 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,919 moved and so that's the challenges that we filed, and 157 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,759 we filed just under four thousand I think it was 158 00:09:52,799 --> 00:09:56,039 three nine hundred and ninety five or ninety eight on 159 00:09:56,159 --> 00:09:59,039 July the twenty ninth, And this is where things got 160 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:03,159 really really interesting. Some of the counties, about a half 161 00:10:03,159 --> 00:10:06,279 a dozen of the counties that we filed challenges with 162 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,360 processed the challenges and what that involves is they mail 163 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,799 a confirmation letter to the voter asking them to confirm 164 00:10:14,159 --> 00:10:17,360 do you still live at this address or have you moved? 165 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,159 And if you've moved within the state of Nevada or 166 00:10:20,159 --> 00:10:22,600 within the same county, wants your new address so they 167 00:10:22,639 --> 00:10:26,080 could update the records. So that was fine. Some of 168 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,559 the counties didn't respond, so three weeks later we filed 169 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,320 a public records request with each of the counties that 170 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:38,159 hadn't responded, asking did you send out the confirmation letters. 171 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,960 A couple of days later, unbeknownst to us, the Secretary 172 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,759 of State had issued a memorandum to all seventeen of 173 00:10:46,799 --> 00:10:51,039 the county clerks and registrars of voters advising them directing 174 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:56,440 them to reject our challenges based on his contention that 175 00:10:56,519 --> 00:11:00,480 we don't have the personal knowledge necessary. 176 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: That's very interesting, and I think this is probably a 177 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,840 question that's best for the legislature. But why do we 178 00:11:07,919 --> 00:11:11,720 have two conflicting laws on this front? Seems rather confusing. 179 00:11:11,799 --> 00:11:15,679 And you guys are getting to be expert in this area, 180 00:11:15,759 --> 00:11:18,399 but you know, you said there's a learning curve. The 181 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,639 average citizen would not know this and might feel, you know, 182 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,919 like they couldn't go on. At that point, after the 183 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:31,360 first challenge was rejected, but can you answer that. I mean, 184 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:33,440 what are you hearing from folks there? Why we have 185 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:38,039 two distinct different ideas here in the law, and now 186 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,519 you have a Secretary of State, a Democrat by the way, 187 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,759 who has said, no, we're going to go with the 188 00:11:44,759 --> 00:11:45,840 first interpretation. 189 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 2: Basically, well, Matt, you were so right. No citizens should 190 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:53,159 have to do what I've had to do to be 191 00:11:53,159 --> 00:11:58,200 able to understand these laws. The biggest difference between the 192 00:11:58,279 --> 00:12:01,840 two challenge statutes is that in the first one, you 193 00:12:01,879 --> 00:12:04,559 can only file it thirty days before an election. And 194 00:12:05,159 --> 00:12:07,960 the reason there is when you get that close to 195 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:13,559 an election, there's an enhanced timeline for processing such challenges. 196 00:12:14,399 --> 00:12:16,960 They have to mail them out within five days and 197 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,440 the voter only has fourteen days to respond, and the 198 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,679 district attorney for the county is automatically notified to begin 199 00:12:24,879 --> 00:12:29,879 a process of proceeding with that challenge. If it's deemed 200 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:36,360 legitimate or something worth pursuing, then they have to file 201 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,399 in court to have that challenge upheld in the court. 202 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,879 So that's the real main difference. The Section five point 203 00:12:42,879 --> 00:12:46,840 thirty five challenges again can be filed any time. Actually 204 00:12:46,919 --> 00:12:49,720 that would be preferable I think for us and for 205 00:12:50,039 --> 00:12:52,519 the county clerks because it would give them more time 206 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,159 to try to resolve hundreds or thousands of challenges within 207 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:00,240 a fourteen day period two weeks before an election is 208 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,000 really really a bear. But that's what has occurred because 209 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,600 they've changed the law to have all It wasn't a 210 00:13:06,639 --> 00:13:09,679 problem when people were requesting a mail in ballot, but 211 00:13:09,759 --> 00:13:12,600 now that people are automatically getting one, it's made this 212 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,759 problem so much worse. And this is why I think 213 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:21,080 you're right, Matt. Absolutely, this needs to be addressed by 214 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,440 the legislature next year in session. There's so many problems 215 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:28,240 that they need to fix. But in the meantime, once 216 00:13:28,279 --> 00:13:30,960 the Secretary of State advised the county clerks not to 217 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,200 do their job and process these challenges, he really left 218 00:13:34,279 --> 00:13:37,000 us with no choice but to go to court and 219 00:13:37,039 --> 00:13:38,919 have the court weigh in. We think we've got a 220 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:44,000 strong case that we've met the statutory requirement for personal knowledge. 221 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:49,120 There's case history dating that you can review records as 222 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,879 long as the records are from a trustworthy source, and 223 00:13:51,919 --> 00:13:55,840 that that review of records constitutes personal knowledge. The Secretary 224 00:13:55,879 --> 00:13:58,960 of State disagrees with that, and the only way we're 225 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:00,639 going to get resolved was to go to court, So 226 00:14:01,399 --> 00:14:03,360 you know, that's the main thing. It probably won't fix 227 00:14:03,399 --> 00:14:05,799 a whole lot before November the fifth, but hopefully it 228 00:14:05,799 --> 00:14:08,120 will set the precedent and put us on the right 229 00:14:08,159 --> 00:14:10,480 path for doing this in the future, because we've got 230 00:14:10,519 --> 00:14:12,480 a long way to go to fix these voter files 231 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,159 in Nevada. It won't be done this year. Yeah, no 232 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:15,679 doubt about it. 233 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: And I was going to ask you that you answered 234 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,960 that question, is there any hope that this thing could 235 00:14:21,039 --> 00:14:25,759 be resolved on an expedited path so that you know, 236 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:30,559 we are now within just weeks of the election. Anyway 237 00:14:30,639 --> 00:14:36,000 that this gets resolved and in your favor, you know, 238 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:37,840 at least in time for election day. 239 00:14:38,679 --> 00:14:42,679 Speaker 2: Well, the good news, well, the bad news is the 240 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,960 courts will not be able to weigh in before the 241 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,039 mail in ballots go out. The mail in ballots should 242 00:14:48,039 --> 00:14:51,679 go out next week sometimes, so there's no way we'll 243 00:14:51,679 --> 00:14:55,279 have a court decision before that. The good news is 244 00:14:55,279 --> 00:14:57,919 that it's possible that we could get, if we get 245 00:14:57,919 --> 00:15:01,080 a favorable court decision, that that could be rendered before 246 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:06,600 election day. And if so, all of these challenges that 247 00:15:06,639 --> 00:15:11,720 we sent out, we've now done this before the election 248 00:15:12,159 --> 00:15:14,919 rather than after the election, so we're not doing it 249 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,080 after the horse has already gotten out of the barn door. 250 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,480 So if the court rules in our favor, then the 251 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,840 challenges that we've filed, when those ballots come in or 252 00:15:25,879 --> 00:15:28,960 those voters attempt to show up at the polls, if 253 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,519 they're shown that hey, you've been challenged, then that ballot 254 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,840 envelope can't be opened until the challenge is resolved. So 255 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,720 it's still possible that we could have an effect on this. 256 00:15:39,799 --> 00:15:41,879 I don't know that we'll get as many challenges in 257 00:15:42,879 --> 00:15:45,919 as we wanted. We are filing some new Section five 258 00:15:46,039 --> 00:15:49,679 forty seven challenges. We've got volunteers all over the state 259 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,240 who will be filing them next week and that will 260 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:57,080 start the fourteen day clock. Again. They'll probably be rejected, 261 00:15:57,399 --> 00:15:59,559 but at least we'll be on record that we have 262 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,879 challenged those voters, and then if those voters passed a 263 00:16:02,879 --> 00:16:06,080 ballot or mail in a ballot, then we'll have grounds 264 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:07,840 to be able to go back to court and say, hey, 265 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:12,399 this race was decided by three votes. We've got fifteen 266 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,720 challenges here. We need to take a look at what 267 00:16:14,759 --> 00:16:15,720 to do with this race. 268 00:16:16,279 --> 00:16:18,399 Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, very interesting. 269 00:16:21,679 --> 00:16:24,799 Speaker 3: Right now is Kamala trying to earn the dumb vote. 270 00:16:24,919 --> 00:16:27,960 The Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. Every 271 00:16:28,039 --> 00:16:30,759 day Chris helps unpack the connection between politics and the 272 00:16:30,799 --> 00:16:33,639 economy and how it affects your wallet. Kamala Harris is 273 00:16:33,639 --> 00:16:36,919 pitching twenty five thousand dollars for first time home buyers 274 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,320 while trying to build millions of new homes with government funds, 275 00:16:40,559 --> 00:16:43,679 all while using small businesses as straw men. Whether it's 276 00:16:43,679 --> 00:16:45,879 happening in DC or down on Wall Street, it's affecting 277 00:16:45,879 --> 00:16:46,559 you financially. 278 00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:47,159 Speaker 2: Be informed. 279 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 3: Check out the Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with Chris 280 00:16:49,399 --> 00:16:52,320 Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. 281 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,679 Speaker 1: Chuck Mooth, president of the Citizen Outreach Foundation, a Nevada 282 00:16:58,759 --> 00:17:03,240 elections integrity watchdog, as you just heard lots of volunteers 283 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:04,960 around the state, and Chuck, I was going to ask 284 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,599 you that, I mean, this is not something that you 285 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,960 can do alone. This is very involved, very time intensive. 286 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:18,160 How many people around Nevada, citizens, good citizens concerned about 287 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,880 their elections are involved in tracking this information. 288 00:17:23,039 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 2: We have fortunately an absolutely fantastic field director. Her name 289 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:33,359 is Iris Stone. She's been active in doing precinct organization 290 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:38,200 and precinct work for years, and she was very interested 291 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,359 in the project when she learned about it and decided 292 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,680 to get involved. And she's just terrific. She's great at 293 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,480 recruiting the volunteers. She's great at doing the training. It's 294 00:17:47,599 --> 00:17:50,319 very important that we do everything by the book because 295 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,000 we know that we're being watched. So she develops the 296 00:17:53,079 --> 00:17:57,200 right scripts and the right procedures and she's probably got 297 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,880 statewide now i'd say a little over two hundred volunteers 298 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,799 and we're able to give them the direction. The other 299 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,640 key to this whole project is our data analyst, Dan Burtish. 300 00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:12,720 He's also our chief operations officer, and he's a numbers guy. 301 00:18:12,759 --> 00:18:15,480 I'm a wordsmith, he's a numbers guy. When I get 302 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,039 confused with the numbers, I just turned to Dan. But 303 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,200 he's able to say, Okay, we're going to work in 304 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:24,720 this particular county, in this particular district on Saturday. And 305 00:18:25,279 --> 00:18:30,279 he's able to lay out the mapping in the precinct 306 00:18:30,319 --> 00:18:32,880 so that people aren't driving all over creation. They're able 307 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:34,720 to go from A to B to C to D 308 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:36,839 and it's made it a heck of a lot easier 309 00:18:36,839 --> 00:18:39,839 for our volunteers to actually do this door to door work. 310 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,720 So you know, without Dan and Iris, this project never 311 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,000 would be where it is today. 312 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:50,599 Speaker 1: The voter rolls, despite the protestations of your Secretary of 313 00:18:50,799 --> 00:18:55,759 State and those engaged in leftist lawfare, and we'll get 314 00:18:55,799 --> 00:18:57,640 to that topic in just a moment, but the voter 315 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,000 rolls in't about it just just a mess. If they 316 00:19:00,039 --> 00:19:02,000 weren't a mess, you wouldn't be doing what you're doing. 317 00:19:03,599 --> 00:19:06,359 I know that you're very familiar with the Public Interest 318 00:19:06,599 --> 00:19:10,880 Legal Foundation. They too have been involved in Nevada as 319 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,359 elsewhere dealing with these dirty voter rolls. They have found 320 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,240 a lot of people claiming or at least they have 321 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:29,279 claimed to live at commercial addresses, registering under commercial addresses 322 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:35,839 like casinos and bars and strip clubs. And just like 323 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,240 your organization, the folks from PILF actually, you know, hit 324 00:19:39,319 --> 00:19:42,200 the ground and knocked on doors and they got some 325 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,640 very strange looks, as you might understand, from people at 326 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:51,319 these casinos and bars and other commercial locations said no, 327 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,359 Jim Jones doesn't live here. This is a business. And 328 00:19:55,759 --> 00:19:58,880 I know they've had, you know, some court challenges. They've 329 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:06,200 had to seek rid of mandamus in particular cases, how 330 00:20:06,519 --> 00:20:10,079 dirty are these voter roles when we see, you know, 331 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:11,599 things like this happening. 332 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,319 Speaker 2: Well, let me get back to Christian Adams and Pilf 333 00:20:15,319 --> 00:20:18,240 in a second. But when you ask about how bad 334 00:20:18,319 --> 00:20:21,960 this is, a lot of people say that, you know, 335 00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:24,119 the counties and the Secretary of State aren't doing their 336 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:29,039 job under the National Voter Registration Act the NVR. That's 337 00:20:29,079 --> 00:20:33,759 not accurate. They are doing the bare minimum required by 338 00:20:33,759 --> 00:20:37,279 the NVR. What they're doing is when they mail out 339 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,759 ballots to voters. If the post office returns those ballots 340 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,680 is undeliverable, then they switch their status from active to 341 00:20:45,759 --> 00:20:48,839 inactive for future elections. So they are doing the bare 342 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,640 minimum to comply with the NVR. What they're not doing 343 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,839 is the kind of research that we're doing because the 344 00:20:55,839 --> 00:20:59,039 post office, the letter carriage at the local post office, 345 00:20:59,079 --> 00:21:03,039 they miss a lot of these because if a person 346 00:21:03,079 --> 00:21:06,000 puts a change of address in usually it's only good 347 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,079 for six months. So unless the election mail comes within 348 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,240 those six months, then the mail is delivered to whoever 349 00:21:13,279 --> 00:21:16,640 the now new current resident is. So back in August, 350 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:21,400 after they did their routine list maintenance, the election departments 351 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,839 around the state, I think removed somewhere in the neighborhood 352 00:21:23,839 --> 00:21:28,079 of one hundred and forty thousand bad addresses. So that's good. 353 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,079 I mean, we've raised this issue, we put it out there, 354 00:21:31,079 --> 00:21:33,400 and they're doing more, I think, than what they have 355 00:21:33,519 --> 00:21:36,440 done in the past. But what we found out was 356 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,920 even after they removed one hundred and forty thousand, we 357 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,039 still found another thirty three thousand who had been missed, 358 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,279 and that was the source of our challenges that we 359 00:21:46,319 --> 00:21:50,119 started filing in July and August, the first ones and 360 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,960 this is what I consider the low hanging fruit. We 361 00:21:53,079 --> 00:21:57,160 filed again just under four thousand challenges. These weren't just 362 00:21:57,279 --> 00:22:00,720 voters who were listed on the National Change of Address Stateabase. 363 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:06,000 We have access to the registration databases in fifteen other 364 00:22:06,079 --> 00:22:10,400 states and we found of those four thousand, they had 365 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,000 not only moved, but they had re registered in their 366 00:22:14,039 --> 00:22:17,720 new state and in on one hundred and three cases, 367 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,640 we found that they had actually voted in their other state. 368 00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:24,000 So there's absolutely no way that those folks should still 369 00:22:24,039 --> 00:22:28,640 be on the Vada voter rolls. And so yeah, even 370 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,200 with what they're doing, you know, if they're complying with 371 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,119 the law, but they're only doing the bare minimum, and 372 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,200 that's why we think that they need to go steps further. Now. 373 00:22:36,319 --> 00:22:39,519 Pilf and Christian Adams, again, I have so much respect 374 00:22:39,519 --> 00:22:43,240 for them because again they did it right. You don't 375 00:22:43,319 --> 00:22:45,880 just assume that people are living at a commercial address 376 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,519 and file a challenge or a list maintenance request. They 377 00:22:49,599 --> 00:22:53,720 actually sent someone out with a camera and documented the 378 00:22:53,759 --> 00:22:57,160 fact that these folks don't live at this commercial address. 379 00:22:57,519 --> 00:22:59,880 The other thing that they did was they acknowledged, they 380 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:03,680 recognize the fact that there are possibilities that a voter 381 00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:06,680 could be registered at what is listed as a commercial 382 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,880 address and still be legally eligible to vote because maybe 383 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,119 there's a second floor apartment above a retail store. So 384 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,640 you've got to do your homework. You can't just assume things. 385 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,000 You've got to dig down deep. And Pills did that, 386 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,400 and they documented that. They went into casinos they asked people, hey, 387 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,400 does this person live here, and and the bar owners said, no, 388 00:23:27,559 --> 00:23:30,599 this is a bar, what are you talking about. Because 389 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,079 they did such a great job at documenting it. When 390 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,920 they went to court, the court looked at well, actually 391 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,480 they never even went to court. Clark County realized, okay, yeah, 392 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,440 you got us here. We really do need to do 393 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,079 this type of work and process these challenges, and so 394 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,640 Clark County decided that they were going to process the 395 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,519 challenges that the Public Interest Legal Foundation had filed. So 396 00:23:52,839 --> 00:23:55,319 we're kind of going in the same direction we've I 397 00:23:55,319 --> 00:23:59,200 think we've documented everything that we're doing to the extent 398 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:00,880 that the court can look at it and find it 399 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,400 credible and reasonable and reliable, and so we file the 400 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,599 same similar writ We're not asking for anything more than 401 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,279 for the county clerks and the registrars of voters to 402 00:24:10,319 --> 00:24:14,039 do their job as dictated by the batter revis Statutes. 403 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:20,599 Speaker 1: Well as an old investigative journalist emphasis on old we appreciate. 404 00:24:20,839 --> 00:24:25,279 We appreciate nothing more than excellent documentation. And I know 405 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,279 that that's how you feel in your election intiquity investigations 406 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:35,319 as well. You've certainly had some significant resistance against you. 407 00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:40,400 I'm just talking about intransigent clerks. I'm talking about leftist 408 00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:45,359 lawfare groups. One name comes immediately to mind. That is 409 00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:51,039 Mark Elias. For those who aren't familiar with Mark Elias's work, 410 00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:53,960 his fingerprints are on all kinds of things in the 411 00:24:54,039 --> 00:24:58,880 Democratic Party. A longtime Democrat Party fixer, as he's been described. 412 00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:03,119 He's also the guy behind the phony Russian dos CIA 413 00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:12,200 if you recall that scandal back in the first Trump administration. 414 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,759 And he has now branched out and opened up a 415 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:22,000 lawfare litigation group that is basically it's got untold amounts 416 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,640 of money and they go in and they attack efforts 417 00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:31,200 like you. They've been particularly persistent in Nevada, even going 418 00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:34,759 up against the reality of the documentation you have. What's 419 00:25:34,759 --> 00:25:38,319 that experience been like he's been involved. 420 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,519 Speaker 2: You mentioned that a lot of this changed back during COVID. 421 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,440 There were some emergency measures put in for the primary 422 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,599 in twenty twenty. That was the first time we did 423 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,359 an all mail in ballot. It was supposed to be temporary. 424 00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:56,519 Then the lawsuits came and Mark Elias got involved in him. 425 00:25:57,079 --> 00:25:59,480 Then the legislation changed in the middle of the game. 426 00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:02,839 He decided to make the mail in ballot apply for 427 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,079 the general election as well as the primary. Then, when 428 00:26:06,079 --> 00:26:09,960 the Trump campaign and the the Battery Republican Party started 429 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,799 following their lawsuits after the twenty twenty general election, mark 430 00:26:13,839 --> 00:26:17,759 Elias was involved in trying to shoot them down, and 431 00:26:17,799 --> 00:26:21,880 he was successful at it, primarily because the folks on 432 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,480 the Republican side just didn't do their homework. They just 433 00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:30,000 blew it. Frankly, they made allegations that they couldn't back up. 434 00:26:30,039 --> 00:26:32,440 The only one that the allegation that they made is 435 00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:37,359 kind of sad. They brought forward an individual who claimed 436 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,680 that someone had voted his dead wife's ballot that as 437 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,519 soon as he stuck his head up, meant, okay, we're 438 00:26:43,559 --> 00:26:45,319 going to dig into this guy and find out. Well, 439 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,599 it turns out that he himself had voted his dead 440 00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:50,599 wife's ballot and they were able to prove it and 441 00:26:50,599 --> 00:26:53,200 he ended up getting prosecuted for it. So it really 442 00:26:53,319 --> 00:26:55,559 was him handed the way they dealt with it, and 443 00:26:55,599 --> 00:26:58,559 Mark Ollias was successfully able to bat it down with 444 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,240 our lawsuits. Again, I think we've got a pretty strong case. 445 00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:02,680 I think we've done what we need to do. You 446 00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:05,519 never know in a court of law, but we did 447 00:27:05,559 --> 00:27:09,119 file lawsuit against two of the rural counties you mentioned, 448 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:14,079 Carson City and Story County after a couple of days afterwards, 449 00:27:14,079 --> 00:27:17,640 we also filed lawsuits in Washoe County, which is Reno 450 00:27:17,799 --> 00:27:20,799 and Clark County, which is the big eight hundred pound 451 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,720 guerrilla here. And Mark Elias represents a number of groups. 452 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,119 I think it was two or three, and they sought 453 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,039 to intervene in the lawsuits so they can participate in it. 454 00:27:32,839 --> 00:27:34,839 I do not believe that we objected to it. The 455 00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:38,680 court went ahead and allowed them to intervene. So we're 456 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,319 going up against somebody who's very experienced and very knowledgeable 457 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,920 in this, as well as going up against the elected 458 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,559 Secretary of State, the Attorney General's office, and the county 459 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,640 clerks in the county district attorneys. So it really is 460 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,319 a David and Goliath thing. And then this week also 461 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,480 the ACLU decided the way in they asked to intervene 462 00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:02,319 in the case. I believe we are going to challenge 463 00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:05,680 their effort to intervene in the case, but I don't 464 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,680 know how that's going to play out. And the Secretary 465 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,440 of State, we didn't sue him because the problem really 466 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,119 is that the counties have the responsibility to process the challenges. 467 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,240 They sought to intervene, which is understandable and natural, and 468 00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:21,359 we had no objection to the Secretary of State intervening 469 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:21,920 in the case. 470 00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: Well, let me put it this way, Chuck, I know 471 00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:28,359 that you are indeed going up against a massive machine, 472 00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:31,440 a goliath, but I do believe you and your group 473 00:28:31,559 --> 00:28:35,599 have the stones to combat them, and I bet that 474 00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:41,960 in every sense of the word. You know, I'm going 475 00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:44,680 to go back to something you talked about because this 476 00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:49,559 has very much interested me, to say the least. Why 477 00:28:49,599 --> 00:28:54,559 were the Republicans in twenty so sloppy? I'm in the 478 00:28:54,599 --> 00:29:00,559 party attorneys. You mentioned that they didn't have the evidence, 479 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,920 and we all know there were mass irregularities in that election, 480 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,920 and how could there not be when you're dealing with 481 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:15,240 an unprecedented pandemic election in the twenty first century, for 482 00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:19,400 goodness sake, Why didn't they do their homework? Did you 483 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,799 ever get an answer on that front? 484 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,319 Speaker 2: The why? I'm not sure I can answer the why. 485 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,160 I will say that they did blow it, though. But 486 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:33,400 when they had that primary in June of twenty twenty, 487 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,680 Pills who we were just talking about, Christian Adams group, 488 00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:40,839 what happened in Clark County was different from the other 489 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,200 sixteen counties. The other sixteen counties during that primary election 490 00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:49,599 in the middle of COVID only mailed to active Republican voters. 491 00:29:50,039 --> 00:29:54,960 Clark County, for whatever reason, mailed to active and inactive voters. 492 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,720 And I believe some ninety five thousand mail in ballots 493 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,079 came back, and that's where you saw all the news 494 00:30:01,079 --> 00:30:04,160 reports here in Nevada with ballots piled up in apartment 495 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,240 complex mail rooms and in dumpsters and those sorts of things. 496 00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:10,559 So they did fix that in a special session in 497 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,359 August and said no, you only can mail to active voters. 498 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,880 So that's fine, but the party at that point should 499 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,480 have said, hey, we've got a problem here. We need 500 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,200 to get ready for the general election. And even a 501 00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:27,240 month before the general election, Ben Burdish again, our data 502 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,079 Analysty and I had been talking and he was able 503 00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:32,920 to come up with anomalies that he was able to identify, 504 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,759 and we advised the Republican Party, hey, look at these 505 00:30:35,759 --> 00:30:38,359 anomalies and here's what you need to do to verify 506 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:43,079 it before the election. They didn't do it. Donald Trump lost. 507 00:30:43,839 --> 00:30:45,799 I guess they had enough money to file all these 508 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,200 legal challenges, but the attorneys handling the case obviously did 509 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,559 not look that deeply into the complicated election laws in Nevada, 510 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,720 and they kept getting blown out, not because so much 511 00:30:57,759 --> 00:31:01,400 of the quote evidence, but they just didn't have standing 512 00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:05,920 or they didn't have the documentation and the verification that 513 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,119 they needed. They hadn't done their homework in advance, and 514 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,759 I did why. I watched one of the court hearings. 515 00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:15,079 I forget the name of the lawyer. I was watching 516 00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:18,640 it on zoom and I'm listening to his presentation, and 517 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,640 I knew that he was wrong, just from what little 518 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,240 I had known at the time. In twenty twenty one 519 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,279 January twenty twenty one, little I knew even I knew 520 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,839 that he was wrong on the facts. He hadn't read 521 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,240 and understood the law as it was written. So this 522 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,480 was one of the reasons why we got involved. If 523 00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:40,960 we allowed these folks to do this in such a 524 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,000 hamhanded way, the problem was never going to be fixed, 525 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,200 and so we thought that we could do it better. 526 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,480 It's taken a lot of resources and a lot of time, 527 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,240 but I think it's worthwhile, and I think it's necessary again, 528 00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:56,359 because if we're going to have automatic mail in bouting, 529 00:31:56,599 --> 00:31:59,519 then we must have the cleanest possible voting roles to 530 00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:03,079 eliminate as much potential for voting fraud as humanly possible. 531 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,519 Speaker 1: I agreed, and I just hope the past is in 532 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:12,079 prologue for Republican legal challenges. In twenty twenty four, I'm hoping, 533 00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:14,960 and we've seen a lot of legal challenges. I think 534 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,279 there are some very good legal challenges out there. I 535 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,119 just I hope they've learned their lesson from twenty twenty, 536 00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:22,119 as you just. 537 00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:24,279 Speaker 2: Said, and I think so they in the matter of 538 00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:27,079 Republican Party they, I mean the Republican Parties filed some 539 00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:31,920 other challenges since then, and I've talked with their attorney 540 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,200 who's handling them now. His name is Brian Hardy. He's 541 00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:37,519 like me, and he's like Pilf. He doesn't want to 542 00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:40,359 go to court with something that he can't back up, 543 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,480 something he can't prove, something that he can't verify. So 544 00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:46,039 I think that they're in the Republican Parties in much 545 00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:49,680 better hands because we're a nonpartisan organization, so we're not 546 00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:52,279 part of what they're doing, but we do share information, 547 00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:54,119 we do talk about what we're doing, so the right 548 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,759 hand knows what the left hand's. 549 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,839 Speaker 1: Doing absolutely well. Okay, final question as we close out 550 00:32:59,839 --> 00:33:04,759 our conversation. You have learned a lot. It's clear you've 551 00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:07,160 learned a lot by trial and error. You've learned a 552 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:12,039 lot by rejection at election offices, one thing or another. 553 00:33:12,119 --> 00:33:15,039 You've learned a lot by simply doing the work, being 554 00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:19,640 on the ground and going through the experience that sets 555 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:27,319 you up for elections ahead. Obviously, we're all super focused 556 00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:29,680 on what's happening here in the next few weeks in 557 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:35,440 this election season. How do you feel about Nevada in 558 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:41,119 free and fair elections and transparent elections coming up for 559 00:33:41,319 --> 00:33:45,079 twenty twenty four, and how do you feel about your 560 00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:47,200 efforts moving forward. 561 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 2: I'm feeling a lot better in twenty twenty four, certainly 562 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,599 than I did in twenty twenty. It's one of those 563 00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:57,880 old sayings is you know what, why do junk yards 564 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,319 have dogs in them? Well, because you you know that 565 00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:02,160 there's a dog in a junk yard, you're probably not 566 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,759 going to try to rob the place you would if 567 00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:07,079 there was no dog. And I think everybody here in 568 00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:10,559 Nevada knows, not just that we're out there, but there 569 00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:14,000 are so many people looking at the things that were 570 00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:16,559 overlooked in twenty twenty that it's going to be a 571 00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:19,360 lot more difficult, I think, for the other side to 572 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,079 pull some of the things that they pulled in twenty twenty. 573 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,599 So just having the watch dogs out there and letting 574 00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:28,719 folks know, hey, we've got our eye on you. Maybe 575 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,880 you shouldn't try that this time. I think now they 576 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,880 were in a better position where it's not perfect. There's 577 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,519 still a lot of potential up there out there for 578 00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:41,440 some problems, but I think that it's been dramatically reduced 579 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,679 since twenty twenty because of the efforts of election integrity 580 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,719 individuals and organizations. 581 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,119 Speaker 1: Well, I think there's another quote that's apropos here too. 582 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,360 It's what Dylaninger used to say when they asked him, 583 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,320 why do you rob banks? He said, that's where the 584 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:59,360 money is. And it's just as simple as that. If 585 00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:03,280 you have of massive gaps in your election integrity, there 586 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,719 will be people who will take advantage of that. You've 587 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,800 definitely seen that in Nevada. We've seen that across the country. 588 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,119 That's why what you do, what your organization does, and 589 00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:17,960 citizens like you so absolutely important and fundamental to the 590 00:35:18,039 --> 00:35:23,280 continuation of this republic. I appreciate your time and your 591 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,719 perspective today. 592 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 2: My pleasure, Matt, and thank you so much for having 593 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:28,599 me on today. 594 00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:32,800 Speaker 1: Absolutely thanks to my guest today, Chuck Mooth, president of 595 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,960 the Citizen Outreach Foundation in Nevada. You've been listening to 596 00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:41,280 another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, 597 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,960 Senior correspondent at the Federalist. We'll be back soon with more. 598 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,159 Until then, stay lovers of freedom and anxious for the 599 00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:50,239 fray 600 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,199 Speaker 2: Heard the Fat Boys are