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Speaker 2: Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
Speaker 2: on here. Something just kid with my dog. Something to
Speaker 2: kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there, over
Speaker 2: the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, damn,
Speaker 2: I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming
Speaker 2: over the fence, and they would dead once you hit
Speaker 2: the ground. I didn't see any cars. All I saw
Speaker 2: was my dog coming over the fence. What are you reporting?
Speaker 2: We got some wonder or something crawling around out here?
Speaker 2: Did you see what it was? It was enough out
Speaker 2: here looking them new to oneowing now and I don't
Speaker 2: need anything. I don't want to go outside just fighting. Hello,
Speaker 2: hit the buddy out here? What quint on out there?
Speaker 2: It's thought up a bit, just about six foot nine.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Easy announce there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm walking right y II folks wan welcome my
Speaker 1: guest to the show. It is Levi from Missouri.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the show, sir, hi, thanks for having me here.
Speaker 1: I have been looking forward to this conversation. Let's get
Speaker 1: right into it. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing. What
Speaker 1: in the world got you interested in the subject of
Speaker 1: bigfoot sasquatch.
Speaker 3: To begin with, Yeah, I have a pretty extensive background
Speaker 3: in UFO research, which kind of led to the possibility
Speaker 3: of paranormal and bigfoot connection. Noticed that some of the
Speaker 3: spots that I was visiting for UFO stuff also had
Speaker 3: a pretty large background or history of sightings of bigfoot
Speaker 3: or sasquatch. Moved to Missouri two years ago, started doing
Speaker 3: some research around here, went to a spot that I
Speaker 3: had heard about in a couple other podcasts and interviews.
Speaker 3: Pretty much immediately started having what I would consider some
Speaker 3: sort of contact with whatever was out there That basically
Speaker 3: turned into Okay, this is more than likely bigfoot. So
Speaker 3: that's how I got into it.
Speaker 1: Let's get right into those experiences. Why don't you take
Speaker 1: us back to where you were, what you were doing,
Speaker 1: and tell us what happened to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I went to a spot called Weldon Springs.
Speaker 3: It's about a twenty minute drive from downtown Saint Louis.
Speaker 3: At this point, there's quite a few people who have
Speaker 3: branched out to this area to look around and see
Speaker 3: what they could find. Initially, it just started like going
Speaker 3: on day hikes, and then eventually into the early evening,
Speaker 3: I started noticing that I was getting what people considered
Speaker 3: the parallel footsteps on certain parts of the trail, had
Speaker 3: some really weird sounds that kind of just popped up,
Speaker 3: the typical like stick crack that shouldn't be there, or
Speaker 3: animal sounds that don't quite sound right. Then it just
Speaker 3: all escalated. I was out one night doing some research.
Speaker 3: There's a portion of this trail, it's probably one of
Speaker 3: the most visited trails in the entire area, and I
Speaker 3: could hear something paralleling me in the woods this particular
Speaker 3: portion of the trail. The trees they make a tunnel.
Speaker 3: They're not overgrown and they're not cut. For whatever reason,
Speaker 3: the foliage there grows into this very weird, very dense
Speaker 3: for four or five feet from the trail in area
Speaker 3: of that forest, I'm walking, stopping it stopping, So I
Speaker 3: started trying to trick it in quotations. That doesn't really work,
Speaker 3: walking faster or slowing down, stopping, abruptly, turning around, tried
Speaker 3: to do everything from my best guess whatever it was
Speaker 3: bipedal and following me on my right hand side. After
Speaker 3: that point, I was like, Okay, there's something out here.
Speaker 3: I didn't really know the history of the area that much.
Speaker 3: At this this point, I've done a ton of research,
Speaker 3: talk to a ton of people. This particular area has
Speaker 3: a lot of really odd history and some weird connections
Speaker 3: to some other spots in the country that are pretty wild.
Speaker 3: Point Pleasant being probably one of the biggest ones, and
Speaker 3: then the site for the first atomic bomb test as well.
Speaker 3: So kept going, kept having stuff happen. Everything really escalated.
Speaker 3: My mom and my son visited from I'm originally from Indiana.
Speaker 3: They took a trip here and we walked the same
Speaker 3: trail and I told them what happened. We had my
Speaker 3: mom's dog with us. The dog was acting super weird,
Speaker 3: coiling around legs with the leaves, very nervous. They both
Speaker 3: started to hear the same exact thing I heard, the
Speaker 3: paralleling and the stopping. At this point, we were no lights,
Speaker 3: just trying to see if we could get a reaction
Speaker 3: or some sort of contact. Sure enough, we just kept
Speaker 3: hearing the same thing walking stop. From there, it went
Speaker 3: from zero to one hundred really quick. I would say
Speaker 3: in less than six months. I was finding pretty crazy
Speaker 3: tree structures through ufology. I use a lot of electronics
Speaker 3: to read vast amount of signal from every possible thing
Speaker 3: I can potentially pull from to try to decipher what's
Speaker 3: going on in the area. I started taking a lot
Speaker 3: of crazy electronics stuff out that I've built personally, just
Speaker 3: getting crazy readings that should not happen there. I eventually
Speaker 3: ended up finding a top of a tree, like a
Speaker 3: pine tree, stripped of basically just branches and only about
Speaker 3: three feet tall. So this pine tree top is shoved
Speaker 3: into the ground. Then placed very deliberately on the top
Speaker 3: of the pine tree was a deer skull. The deer
Speaker 3: skull completely cleaned its white but not bleached white. This
Speaker 3: pine tree, it's basically shoved through the lower mandible and
Speaker 3: pops out what originally I thought was the eye, but
Speaker 3: it's actually the ear canal. So this thing is just
Speaker 3: placed right directly on this tree that had been shoved
Speaker 3: into the ground. The area. It's open and it's visible
Speaker 3: from the parking lot, but no one goes back there.
Speaker 3: It's super high grass. Even when they do controlled burns,
Speaker 3: they don't burn back that way. I've never seen a
Speaker 3: human footprint out there. Pretty good at tracking, pretty good
Speaker 3: at telling what's a hoax or not based off of
Speaker 3: a lot of research and looking at evidence. So yeah,
Speaker 3: found this skull, turned around, looked at the tree line,
Speaker 3: and said, Okay, the least path of resistance is going
Speaker 3: to be this game trail. And I walked in where
Speaker 3: this game trail was, and the first thing I see
Speaker 3: is what I've now come to learn as a gliff
Speaker 3: potentially not really a tree structure. So it's basically an
Speaker 3: X with a crossbar that runs directly through the center.
Speaker 3: Then curved sticks are traced around the outside of this X,
Speaker 3: and it's just sitting right there next to this tree.
Speaker 3: I turn and look to my left, and about fifty
Speaker 3: yards away I see another really large tree that had
Speaker 3: been pushed over from the root ball. The root ball
Speaker 3: is important there because there was a chainsaw cut that
Speaker 3: wasn't broken, so I'm assuming at one point this tree
Speaker 3: was deadfall. The Forest Service or DNR or whoever came
Speaker 3: in and chopped it and hopes that it would fall.
Speaker 3: But this thing is pushed out from the root ball,
Speaker 3: and it leads into a bunch of dragged in foliage
Speaker 3: that looks like a dish. What I've come to learn
Speaker 3: is what people consider a nesting area. No real reason
Speaker 3: for people to be back in this spot, it's really
Speaker 3: hard to get to. Even if you're going through the
Speaker 3: game trail. That game trail, you're crawling. Essentially, you're not
Speaker 3: really walking upright at all. So found that went on
Speaker 3: my first expedition. The weekend after that with Mariann from Missouri.
Speaker 3: We had really gnarly interaction in the woods. I do
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff that most people probably wouldn't ever
Speaker 3: do in the field to try to get a reaction
Speaker 3: from whatever's around. I use a lot of stuff that's
Speaker 3: sound based, frequency stuff that's lower than our audible level,
Speaker 3: or some instrumentation that pushes out one or two frequencies
Speaker 3: continuously while it's working. I call this thing the telephone.
Speaker 3: I have to say this. The telephone is not electronic.
Speaker 3: It's not a ghost box, it's not a Frank's box.
Speaker 3: It's nothing that people have guestimated what it could be.
Speaker 3: It's a physical instrument that I was taught how to use,
Speaker 3: shown how to make correctly. This thing gets almost a
Speaker 3: response NonStop at this point. So yeah, when on the
Speaker 3: expedition had some crazy stuff happen those first two nights,
Speaker 3: that was it. I was okay, well, I'm full in
Speaker 3: now we're doing in this NonStop. That was where it started.
Speaker 1: Once you had these interactions that you were attributing to Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: is that something that drove you on to want to
Speaker 1: know more about these creatures? Did you keep going out
Speaker 1: looking for them and continue to have experiences with them?
Speaker 3: Well? Yeah, NonStop. I'm out a lot. I would seriously
Speaker 3: argue that I'm out more than most researchers. Probably my
Speaker 3: real job. I basically make outdoor equipment and tennis shoes
Speaker 3: for the rock climbing and the hiking, slash trail running industry.
Speaker 3: I test all of the stuff that I make outside
Speaker 3: and it has to be in the woods. I can't
Speaker 3: test trail shoes in the city. With my work, it
Speaker 3: basically puts me out into the woods at least three
Speaker 3: to six times a week, sometimes every day, being able
Speaker 3: to test stuff, but also being able to go wherever
Speaker 3: I want. I do two folds, so I'm doing research
Speaker 3: while I'm running with trail stuff on, or I'm carrying
Speaker 3: packs to try to figure out weight distribution all the
Speaker 3: stuff I'm carrying in my packs, or basically it's the
Speaker 3: equipment that I use. It's literally been NonStop. I've been
Speaker 3: on I think since January. Four expeditions now, two privately
Speaker 3: in different states. I go all over Missouri, all over Illinois.
Speaker 3: It's been pretty much full blast from this point. All right,
Speaker 3: let's talk.
Speaker 1: About some of those experiences that you're having on some
Speaker 1: of these expeditions. I know, I talked to mary Anne
Speaker 1: briefly and told her I was going to interview you,
Speaker 1: and she mentioned that you had some experiences on a
Speaker 1: couple of expeditions with her, and obviously you've had other experiences.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of the experiences that you've had
Speaker 1: and what that looked like when you were out looking
Speaker 1: for these things.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So the first expedition I went on was in Missouri.
Speaker 3: I had never done an expedition like this, didn't really
Speaker 3: have any clue of what it would be or whatever.
Speaker 3: I showed up pretty late that night. I think I
Speaker 3: pulled in at nine o'clock, didn't really get to meet everyone.
Speaker 3: I met mary Anne and said, hey, this is my background.
Speaker 3: I might try some stuff while i'm here. I'll tell
Speaker 3: you the Times. Because I didn't want other people to
Speaker 3: be like, oh, I heard this and this is what
Speaker 3: it was. I knew that if I told her the
Speaker 3: Times that I was going to start stuff. If we
Speaker 3: were getting responses in that window, we would be able
Speaker 3: to go, Okay, yeah this was me. No, that wasn't me.
Speaker 3: What was that? Told her that, She says, yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 3: I pull into the camp, set up everything. About one
Speaker 3: thirty in the morning. I did the telephone thing maybe
Speaker 3: for ten minutes, so one thirty to one forty did
Speaker 3: this telephone call, waited, didn't really have anything happen. Then
Speaker 3: ten minutes later, I'm sitting in my truck bed, I'm
Speaker 3: on my cot I hear this what sounds like two cats,
Speaker 3: like really loud cats, huge cats fighting. But it's five
Speaker 3: feet away from where my truck is. So there's another
Speaker 3: guy that's just across the road for me, not very
Speaker 3: far literally, maybe twenty yards. He pops up with his
Speaker 3: flashflight and he's got thermal and I get out and
Speaker 3: I'm like, are you hearing this? And he's yeah, where's
Speaker 3: it at. We're both looking directly where the sound is
Speaker 3: coming from. The sound is coming from the middle of
Speaker 3: the road that's right next to my truck, so less
Speaker 3: than fifteen feet away, and we can't see anything whatsoever.
Speaker 3: If there's no pats. We're scanning the entire area. He's
Speaker 3: got his goggle, he's looking around if there's no heat signature.
Speaker 3: It literally sounds like two Bobcats on level eleven as
Speaker 3: loud as possible. There's nothing there at all, absolutely nothing.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, okay, I don't really know. I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna hang out and see what happens. Like two or
Speaker 3: three minutes later, the sound completely stops, and it's an
Speaker 3: abrupt stop. It wasn't like they walked away from each other.
Speaker 3: It was crazy sound to no sound whatsoever. We're both
Speaker 3: looking at each other, have no clue what's going on.
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, I'm going to climb back into
Speaker 3: the cot. About twenty minutes later, I start hearing I'm
Speaker 3: parked right next to where all the food is and
Speaker 3: the trailer, which is probably the worst spot I could
Speaker 3: have parked. I start hearing what sounds like the hinges
Speaker 3: of a cooler being very slowly opened. That door creek.
Speaker 3: The aren't the hinge creek right? So I look out again.
Speaker 3: I have red lamps, so I turn the red lamps on.
Speaker 3: There's no eyeshine, there's nothing around. I'm doing the three
Speaker 3: sixty at this point, so it stops and I'm like, whatever, okay,
Speaker 3: let's just go back lay back down. As soon as
Speaker 3: I hit the cot, the same thing. The creek starts.
Speaker 3: So I pop out again and I'm like, what's going on?
Speaker 3: There's nothing around here, There's no one there. No one's
Speaker 3: playing tricks on me with fishing line. Is something tied
Speaker 3: up to the top and they're pulling the fishing line
Speaker 3: to open the cooler. At this point, I have no
Speaker 3: clue what's going on. This is way weirder than most
Speaker 3: of the stuff on the first night that I've experienced.
Speaker 3: So go back to the cot and then the next
Speaker 3: thing I know, and.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: The hinges on the door of the trailer. So they
Speaker 3: have a trailer that they bring their entire kitchen set
Speaker 3: up in. So I hear the latch open. I hear
Speaker 3: the latch swing, like the very quiet swing, and then
Speaker 3: I hear this door the same thing. It sounds like
Speaker 3: something's pulling the door as slow as possible so it
Speaker 3: doesn't alert anything. I pop out of the tent and
Speaker 3: there's nothing there. The door is just like in the
Speaker 3: breeze and this thing was locked. I physically watched them
Speaker 3: walk the trailer up before everybody else went to bed.
Speaker 3: So that happens. I'm like, I'm fine, I'm getting back
Speaker 3: in the cot. The door shuts. Don't hear anything else.
Speaker 3: There's something going on around here. So I started hearing
Speaker 3: stuff in the woods. So I popped out and I
Speaker 3: had my phone and I started taking video and photographs
Speaker 3: super low resolution. Everything's bumped up to where I'm getting
Speaker 3: like a long exposure in the nighttime. I film directly
Speaker 3: across the road for me, on adjacent property that we
Speaker 3: don't have access to. I filmed two eyes maybe I
Speaker 3: would say five inches. The part go from a sitting
Speaker 3: position to standing back down to a sitting and then
Speaker 3: it walks off to my right. So it walked off
Speaker 3: to its left. Didn't think anything of it, just thought, oh, cool,
Speaker 3: there's a deer or maybe there's an elk or a
Speaker 3: horse or something in the area. Upon further looking at
Speaker 3: that video a little closer, which I didn't notice it.
Speaker 3: I had sent this video to Mary Ann and she
Speaker 3: had a couple people that reviewed it and saw later on.
Speaker 3: I just found this out like a week and a
Speaker 3: half ago. I had no clue, and this is maybe
Speaker 3: six months ago this video was taken. There's a figure
Speaker 3: off to the back, to the right of the eyes.
Speaker 3: It's eight feet tall. There's no eyeshine, but you can
Speaker 3: see this black figure sit up and then drop down
Speaker 3: when the eye shine walks off to my right. So
Speaker 3: that's the first night. So basically, from let's call it
Speaker 3: one fifty in the morning till about five am, it
Speaker 3: was just non stop. I didn't know the history of
Speaker 3: the area. It's a BFROO expedition, so I had no
Speaker 3: clue where we were going. This is the first night,
Speaker 3: so everybody wakes up. I wake up way late because
Speaker 3: I'm going to bed at five am, and I go
Speaker 3: and talk to Mary Anne and I'm like, hey, look,
Speaker 3: we have this happen. She'd send me the photo. She's well,
Speaker 3: see if anybody had recorders. The guy who had heard
Speaker 3: the two we'll call him Katz fighting, he also had
Speaker 3: talked to Mary and we were right there and there's
Speaker 3: nothing around. We were doing a full three sixty trying
Speaker 3: to figure out where this sound could be coming from.
Speaker 3: She's talking to everybody. Apparently there had been two footprints
Speaker 3: potentially found at the edge of the camp and then
Speaker 3: maybe some audio recordings that I still haven't heard. So yeah,
Speaker 3: that was the first night. At that point, everybody knows, Yeah,
Speaker 3: this weird UFO guys here. We might have some stuff happen.
Speaker 3: Everybody always asks me questions because the UFO world and
Speaker 3: the Bigfoot world don't really mix, which is super weird
Speaker 3: to me. I just want to state that it's very weird.
Speaker 3: So they're asking me questions. I learned that we're going
Speaker 3: to go back out the second night. I talked to Marianne.
Speaker 3: I'm like, hey, what are we doing tonight? I want
Speaker 3: you to go with me. We're going to go down
Speaker 3: by the river on this boat dock just let in
Speaker 3: the ramp or whatever. There's going to be a group
Speaker 3: that sits by a fire. They're just going to listen.
Speaker 3: Then another group is going to go off and they're
Speaker 3: going to track. So there's four guys in this group.
Speaker 3: One of them he's an active duty police officer, super credible,
Speaker 3: really killer tracker. From what I understand, I had never
Speaker 3: met anybody at the expedition before this point, so I'm
Speaker 3: learning all this stuff as I'm right there. So him
Speaker 3: and the other three they go off Maryann and I
Speaker 3: are sitting on the dock. I wear shooting muffs that
Speaker 3: are tweaked a little bit electronically in the woods at
Speaker 3: all times, just so I can kill the ambient noise,
Speaker 3: but hear what's going on around. It's really good in
Speaker 3: our area because there's a lot of traffic from the
Speaker 3: highways and the roads are super loud, so it kills
Speaker 3: all that. We're wearing the headphones. And she's like, why
Speaker 3: don't you go do the telephone thing that you did
Speaker 3: the night before. I'm like, okay, yeah, that works. I
Speaker 3: walk away from the group. We check our watches to
Speaker 3: see what time it is. Take note. So I walk off.
Speaker 3: I make this in quotations telephone call. I see almost
Speaker 3: immediately two sets of eyes maybe one hundred yards of
Speaker 3: way from me that kind of do the peak out
Speaker 3: of the tree and then they come back, but they're
Speaker 3: separated by a good three or four feet. It almost
Speaker 3: looked like there was something standing up and then crouch
Speaker 3: down next to the tree in front of it with
Speaker 3: something else, maybe a juvenile. I still have no clue.
Speaker 3: It's not yellow and it's not green, but it's that
Speaker 3: in between weird eerodestin green yellow. I'm watching them blink
Speaker 3: and the eyes are probably six inches apart, so very
Speaker 3: white spacing, way bigger than most things. So do the
Speaker 3: telephone call. This thing takes a lot from me physically.
Speaker 3: It's really hard to do and pulls energy in a
Speaker 3: weird way. I start hearing movement through the woods and
Speaker 3: I thought I heard a very faint, low growl off
Speaker 3: to my right. I'm like, hey, Marianne, can you come
Speaker 3: help me. I can't do the headphones plus the telephone call.
Speaker 3: Her and hour wonderful cook for the expedition. They're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we'll go with you. So I hand Marianne the headphone.
Speaker 3: She puts the headphones on. I walk away do this
Speaker 3: other telephone call, and I hear whoa from her and
Speaker 3: immediately turn around. She pulls off the headphones and she says,
Speaker 3: right after that stopped, I heard a voice, a very
Speaker 3: low voice, clear as day audible, say boom, not like bom,
Speaker 3: but a long, stretched out boom. And she said it
Speaker 3: sounded like a human's voice, but with super deep I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: this is good, this is what we're looking for. As
Speaker 3: I turn around, the group that's tracking is walking back
Speaker 3: down the road towards us. They had come back from
Speaker 3: their portion of that evening. We start hearing what sounds
Speaker 3: like a freight train barreling through the woods at us
Speaker 3: as fast as possible and crashing. So it's the police officer,
Speaker 3: it's the guy that heard the weird cat argument with
Speaker 3: me the night before, and then it's two other gentlemen
Speaker 3: who have had multiple visual sightings, and our pretty serious
Speaker 3: long term researchers. So we're all finally standing together. We're
Speaker 3: watching the woodline because this thing is coming at us
Speaker 3: through the brush and it stops I would say five
Speaker 3: feet from the edge of the tree line. It's impossible
Speaker 3: for me to explain how loud the sound was of
Speaker 3: it moving through the woods, so we start tearing off
Speaker 3: to our left that there's two other things running away
Speaker 3: from it or moving through the woods. Those turned out
Speaker 3: to be Armadillo's but whatever was making the extremely loud
Speaker 3: sound is just past the tree line and no one
Speaker 3: can see it. We hit with white light, red light,
Speaker 3: green light. I think there was a flear and a
Speaker 3: thermal that was unable to pick up anything. At this point,
Speaker 3: there's six of us standing there hearing this thing move
Speaker 3: back and forth, through the brush and it sounds absolutely huge.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I can't explain how big and how
Speaker 3: loud the sound was. It got to the point where
Speaker 3: we didn't know what to do and we just all
Speaker 3: started to back off. It was very nerve wracking. I
Speaker 3: will say that it's probably one of the only times
Speaker 3: I've been in the wilderness where if this is a bear,
Speaker 3: it's gonna come out and get us. The way that
Speaker 3: it was moving through the woods, it sounded like it
Speaker 3: was bipedal. I didn't know it at the time, but
Speaker 3: when the tracking group was coming down the road, they
Speaker 3: had two growls maybe two hundred yards away from where
Speaker 3: I was making this phone call that they heard clear
Speaker 3: as day. This is all within forty minutes. As soon
Speaker 3: as the activity started, it was like, damn all this
Speaker 3: stuff's going on. I didn't know it when we drove in,
Speaker 3: but apparently there were two or three branches that were
Speaker 3: at the eight foot mark that had the twist, so
Speaker 3: they're physically being cranked by something with a thumb and
Speaker 3: a wrist. The police officer he stopped everybody as we
Speaker 3: were driving out of that location, pointed it out and
Speaker 3: you could see it clear as day. Something took the
Speaker 3: branches and twisted those branches to where the fibers in
Speaker 3: the wood. It looked like a spiral. It was one
Speaker 3: of the craziest things I've seen as far as physical
Speaker 3: evidence or trace goes. At this point, I've seen a
Speaker 3: ton of physical evidence and trace evidence from the UFO
Speaker 3: realm and the Cryptid realm in general. So we pull
Speaker 3: out of that area just dumbfounded, like no clue what's
Speaker 3: in the woods. No one's brave enough to walk in.
Speaker 3: I will say that maybe let's go check this other spot.
Speaker 3: And this is where my main research area intertwined with
Speaker 3: all of the Bigfoot stuff on this expedition. Marian takes
Speaker 3: us to another location. It's another lead in. I don't
Speaker 3: know if it's a river, it's a creek, but there's
Speaker 3: basically an oval shaped parking lot and these two boat
Speaker 3: let ends. We go. I do the telephone call thing again.
Speaker 3: We peer a little bit of the samurai chatter in quotations.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's exactly what it was, but
Speaker 3: it definitely sounded like low end garbled speech, but it
Speaker 3: was way way off. It was at the point where
Speaker 3: my headphones couldn't really pick it. Up enough to where
Speaker 3: I was straining to hear it, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3: It's audible, but it's not clear enough for me to
Speaker 3: decipher what it actually was. We have really no activity there,
Speaker 3: We don't really hear anything. Then someone notices behind us,
Speaker 3: is this light that's in the middle of the field.
Speaker 3: Just to paint the picture of this field is probably
Speaker 3: three hundred yards long by one hundred and fifty wide.
Speaker 3: There's a road that comes down on the left hand
Speaker 3: side of the field that we drove in to get
Speaker 3: into the lead in area. If you drive out and
Speaker 3: back up that road, you take a right hand turn
Speaker 3: at the top of the hill that heads towards our camp.
Speaker 3: Someone notices this light, and this light is i would say,
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty feet off the ground, and it's
Speaker 3: moving in a way that looks like maybe a stationary
Speaker 3: light with trees in front of it that are causing
Speaker 3: the optical illusion of it moving around. I'm looking at it.
Speaker 3: I'm going that light is not on a hill. That
Speaker 3: light is in the middle of this field, above the
Speaker 3: tree line. It's not a light on a pull. So
Speaker 3: everybody else starts looking at it. I'm like, we should
Speaker 3: point a laser at this thing. They're like, why should
Speaker 3: we point a laser. I'm like, there's interaction that happens
Speaker 3: potentially with lasers and UAPs or unidentified craft. This is
Speaker 3: used in everything from C five contact to the government
Speaker 3: in quotations blasting a three mile long laser up into
Speaker 3: the sky to see if they can have interaction for testing.
Speaker 3: So we start hitting this light with a flashlight at first,
Speaker 3: and it's reacting. So it's going from bright and I
Speaker 3: would say maybe the size of a softball to dark
Speaker 3: and shrinking down till the size of a ping pong ball,
Speaker 3: and then going back out again. It's doing this weird
Speaker 3: in and out movement. It's getting brighter and darker. It's
Speaker 3: also moving up and down, but left to right in
Speaker 3: non ninety degree angle, so it's bouncing like you hear
Speaker 3: the ORB bouncing through the woods. I wouldn't consider this
Speaker 3: an ORB. Orbs are intelligent to an extent, and they
Speaker 3: react to certain things. In my professional opinion, this is
Speaker 3: not an ORB. So we're watching this light and it's
Speaker 3: moving around, and it's getting brighter and it's getting darker,
Speaker 3: and it's growing in size and it's shrinking back down
Speaker 3: and there's seventeen people watching this thing for two hours.
Speaker 3: At this point. We had hit it with a spotlight
Speaker 3: on a truck. We had hit it with a laser.
Speaker 3: I had a piece of electronic equipment that I used
Speaker 3: that's tweaked to read a certain signal that's pertin it
Speaker 3: to spaceship traveler communication. It's hard to explain, but you
Speaker 3: can research it and figure it out pretty easily. It's
Speaker 3: in the low gigahertz realm. That's where the people that know,
Speaker 3: they'll know the piece of electronic equipment is behaving extremely erratically,
Speaker 3: to the point where I tossed it on the ground
Speaker 3: to just completely try to isolate it from myself, and
Speaker 3: it's still doing the same thing. It basically scans at
Speaker 3: a really wide array of signals, and when it stops,
Speaker 3: that's when there's something around that's bumping out that particular gigahertz.
Speaker 3: So Marian says, let's go try to find this light.
Speaker 3: She takes the police officer. His name's Robbie he Her
Speaker 3: and I can't remember who all went. They go look
Speaker 3: for this light. So everybody's standing there. They drive off,
Speaker 3: they go. We can see him go up the hill.
Speaker 3: We can see him driving around until they start to
Speaker 3: disappear behind the foliage. We're just standing there watching this
Speaker 3: weird light in the middle of a field behave extremely erratically,
Speaker 3: but also interact with what we're blasting at it. So
Speaker 3: we had taken a green laser. We pointed a laser
Speaker 3: at it. It reacted to that. I'm like, we should
Speaker 3: go out there and see what this thing is. The
Speaker 3: only way you're going to know is if you can
Speaker 3: get as close to it as possible. We don't have
Speaker 3: a helicopter or one hundred and twenty foot ladder, so
Speaker 3: the best thing to do is walk towards it in
Speaker 3: the field. Everybody's no, don't do that. I'm like, we'll
Speaker 3: be fine. If it was going to get us, who
Speaker 3: would already have got us. There's nothing to be scared
Speaker 3: of at this point. There's another gentleman from the same
Speaker 3: area I live in. His name's Lou and this is
Speaker 3: one of my favorite things that anybody has ever said
Speaker 3: to me in any type of research. Hey, curious mind's
Speaker 3: got to know what this thing is. We need to
Speaker 3: walk towards it. The minute he said that, I was like,
Speaker 3: that's it. We're going. So him and I walked straight
Speaker 3: towards this thing through the field. The brush is like
Speaker 3: head height at this point, and we get within I
Speaker 3: would say, twenty yards of this thing, and we're blocked
Speaker 3: by a property fence. We didn't cross because it wasn't
Speaker 3: on public lanfe and I'm not trying to potentially get
Speaker 3: shot by a hunter who maybe has a game camera
Speaker 3: or anything out here.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We're
Speaker 1: right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: So we look up. We see this light. It's right
Speaker 3: above the tree line that's not very far in front
Speaker 3: of us. Same thing. We're hitting with a flashlight and
Speaker 3: a laser, and it's reacting and it's just sitting there,
Speaker 3: but it's moving around and it's changing brightness and darkness.
Speaker 3: It got to the point where I was like, we
Speaker 3: can't really do anything else. We know it's there, there's
Speaker 3: no real way to explain it, so let's walk back.
Speaker 3: We walk back towards everybody. Five minutes later, here comes
Speaker 3: Marianne and the group. Robbie the police officers on the phone.
Speaker 3: I could hear him. I have no clue how to
Speaker 3: explain what's going on. We're seeing this light. I don't
Speaker 3: know exactly who he's talking to. We're seeing this light
Speaker 3: and there's no source. So they drove all the way
Speaker 3: up on the ridge line. They drove as close to
Speaker 3: the light as they could. There was a house that
Speaker 3: they drove up to, there's no poll with the light
Speaker 3: on it. Then there's another building that has a radio tower,
Speaker 3: and they drove directly where they took the road into
Speaker 3: the radio tower and back out, and then the two buildings.
Speaker 3: No source of the light in either of those locations.
Speaker 3: At this point, it's two and a half hours of
Speaker 3: us just staring at those things. So everybody goes it's okay,
Speaker 3: it's there. We don't know what it is. Let's go back.
Speaker 3: The look on Robbie's face was priceless to me because
Speaker 3: I can tell that he's completely stumped. A guy like that,
Speaker 3: he's pretty credible, he knows a lot. Isn't gonna really bullshit.
Speaker 3: He's a police officer, He's not going to make it up.
Speaker 3: For some reason, I have no clue what's going on.
Speaker 3: I've never seen anything like this whatsoever. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's mildly crazy for me. I see stuff like this
Speaker 3: all the time. But it was very odd that it
Speaker 3: was in the same area of where we were doing research,
Speaker 3: and that was the point where I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: this whole idea of these things being separated is pretty
Speaker 3: ridiculous at this point. So we basically went back to
Speaker 3: the camp and as soon as we get to the camp,
Speaker 3: I get smoked with absolute terror, the worst fear that
Speaker 3: I've ever had in my entire life. And it's really
Speaker 3: hard to scare me. I got hit by a car.
Speaker 3: I was a bicycle messenger for ten years, got smoked
Speaker 3: by a car, broke my leg, was in the hospital,
Speaker 3: totally fine, not scared. Was just like whatever, it's part
Speaker 3: of it. And never have I ever been as scared
Speaker 3: as I was at this moment. I'm basically laying in
Speaker 3: my cot just silently freaking out because it feels like
Speaker 3: there's something just beyond the edge of darkness that's going
Speaker 3: to reach out and grab me, steal me, and take
Speaker 3: me away, and no one's ever gonna see me again.
Speaker 3: I've never had that happen in my entire life. Through
Speaker 3: you research, I've been to spots where the normal mind
Speaker 3: is this is the devil. We're about to get possessed.
Speaker 3: I need to run away that level of just sheer terror,
Speaker 3: and it lasts the entire night. So I go from
Speaker 3: cool singing this light to getting back to the camp
Speaker 3: where we're not supposed to have a ton of activity.
Speaker 3: I think I went to bed at seven am the
Speaker 3: next morning and woke up at eleven. It was so
Speaker 3: bad that I took a super bright like three thousand
Speaker 3: lumin white white and just popped it on my truck
Speaker 3: bed and left it on the entire night, facing away
Speaker 3: from the rest of the campground, because I felt like
Speaker 3: from where that light was pointed is wherever this whatever
Speaker 3: unseen scary entity is gonna come from. Absolutely terrified at
Speaker 3: that point. The first expedition, it's oh, if this is
Speaker 3: how it is, this is wild. This is way crazier
Speaker 3: than what I thought it would be. So yeah, that
Speaker 3: was the first expedition I went on. Marianne's liked, we
Speaker 3: never had stuff like this happen.
Speaker 1: We have.
Speaker 3: I have seen lights, They've had stuff that they can't
Speaker 3: really explain, but this is a different level. I was like,
Speaker 3: some of this stuff is pretty normal for me at
Speaker 3: this point. That telephone is a key piece of equipment
Speaker 3: that I use, but it carries with it a lot
Speaker 3: of responsibility. That's part of the reason I'm like super
Speaker 3: vague on it. I won't tell people what it is
Speaker 3: unless I meet you in person. I can show you
Speaker 3: using it is not a everyday thing that anyone and
Speaker 3: their brother or sister can use. It blasts out something
Speaker 3: that can bring the really not great to you. If
Speaker 3: you don't know how to use it properly. I don't
Speaker 3: know if you have questions. That was the first expedition
Speaker 3: I went on.
Speaker 1: I wanted to circle back to the quote unquote telephone
Speaker 1: that you're talking about, but you answered that already. I
Speaker 1: totally understand you. Not wanted to get deep in the
Speaker 1: weeds on that. Hopefully I'll get to meet you at
Speaker 1: some point in time and we can go a little
Speaker 1: further into that. But I did want to go back
Speaker 1: to some of the electronics that you do use that
Speaker 1: maybe you can talk. You talked about in the very
Speaker 1: beginning some of the crazy readings that you've had while
Speaker 1: you're out there. Can you talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: what those readings were and what they meant to you
Speaker 1: in relation to the possibility of having some bigfoot activity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all the electronics stuff. I want to say
Speaker 3: this at the beginning. It's readily available to everyone in
Speaker 3: the world, essentially, that is in the bigfoot world or
Speaker 3: paranormal research world. I'm actually in the middle of writing
Speaker 3: a field guide to practical Bigfoot research that has all
Speaker 3: of these electronics that I use listed, plus where you
Speaker 3: can get them from, and the dumbest, easiest, straightforward how
Speaker 3: to use it, how to interpret the readings, and how
Speaker 3: to save and share the data. I noticed that in
Speaker 3: the bigfoot world there's a lot of electronics that are used,
Speaker 3: and they're used incorrectly because people are really untrained in
Speaker 3: using the stuff that they've purchased. If someone says by
Speaker 3: a parabolic microphone, so they go and they spend eighty
Speaker 3: to two thousand dollars on a parabolic microphone, but they're
Speaker 3: getting readings or sounds that sound like footsteps, and they're
Speaker 3: not realizing that if you're relaxed enough and squeezing at
Speaker 3: handle enough, your heart rate not every beat, but intermittently
Speaker 3: beat through your hand into that parabolic microphone. It's the
Speaker 3: same reason that boom mic operators in the movies and
Speaker 3: TV shows hold the boom mic above their heads. I
Speaker 3: have to say that I wanted to put that out there.
Speaker 3: I'm basically making this short book that tells people how
Speaker 3: to use stuff effectively. With that being said, the first
Speaker 3: thing that's really important to me is a spectrum antilizer.
Speaker 3: A spectrum mantilizer basically it can read a bunch of
Speaker 3: different stuff dependent on how it's tuned. I use mine
Speaker 3: to read high and low frequencies. I use two intennas
Speaker 3: that pick up their like one hundred mile intennas. They're
Speaker 3: absolutely massive in the field. I shrink down the I
Speaker 3: think it's a twenty mile antenna. But the spectrum antilizer
Speaker 3: is sensitive enough to read basically vibration from the earth.
Speaker 3: So if there's a frequency that resonates from the earth
Speaker 3: because of tectonic plates or machinery or drilling or whatever,
Speaker 3: this will pick it up on a minute scale and
Speaker 3: you can see it. The whole reason I started using
Speaker 3: the spectrum antilizer, though, was I was trying to figure
Speaker 3: out a way to read or potentially get an idea
Speaker 3: if we were getting kit by infrasound. So that second night,
Speaker 3: when I felt this absolute terror, my brain went to, Okay,
Speaker 3: how do I measure this? How do I know exactly
Speaker 3: what's going on to an extent. The exactly there is
Speaker 3: not exact, but it's as close as I can get.
Speaker 3: How am I physically able to look at a screen
Speaker 3: and go, Okay, I'm scared because I'm getting bombarded with
Speaker 3: this frequency right now. It's tweaked a little bit, but
Speaker 3: it basically reads from the baseline of sub gigahertz sound
Speaker 3: or frequency all the way up to Technically, if I
Speaker 3: really needed to, I could pick up on satellite gigahertz
Speaker 3: transfers if I wanted to. It's directional too, so dependent
Speaker 3: on the antennas. If you point it to the left
Speaker 3: and there's something going on to the left, and you
Speaker 3: turn right and there's no frequency, there's no sound, you're
Speaker 3: not seeing a spike, it's a pretty good indicator that
Speaker 3: whatever is affecting you in that area is to the left.
Speaker 3: I was just in the LBL and we used it.
Speaker 3: Some of the stuff that we had happened versus what
Speaker 3: the data showed on the spectrum antalyzer was pretty convincing
Speaker 3: at this point that it's able to pick up on
Speaker 3: some things that we're not able to see here, taste,
Speaker 3: or smell. So that's the first one. The second one
Speaker 3: is a highly tuned Ham radio just to try to
Speaker 3: pick up any other weird stuff that's potentially broadcasting around
Speaker 3: us that could be affecting us. My research area. We
Speaker 3: get a lot of weird readings because there's uranium. The
Speaker 3: spot was for uranium manufacturing, so there's leftover stuff that
Speaker 3: comes from that. But this radio. I basically got this
Speaker 3: radio and tweaked this radio to where the same thing.
Speaker 3: It's semi directional. It only picks up on certain frequencies.
Speaker 3: One of the things that's really cool though, we started
Speaker 3: to notice that when you're having activities, so you're starting
Speaker 3: to hear maybe the parallel in the woods, or you're
Speaker 3: starting to hear jaw plaques or tree branches breaking, anything
Speaker 3: that's potentially not of the natural world. In quotations, this
Speaker 3: radio starts to buzz very oddly. I took the concept
Speaker 3: from a super famous ufologist that had built a similar
Speaker 3: instrument and had used it in that realm with pretty
Speaker 3: substantial success. It's been a lot of trial and error,
Speaker 3: but it does pick up on stuff. When stuff starts
Speaker 3: to get weird, is what we'll call it. So that's
Speaker 3: the second thing. The third thing, the shooting muffs. I
Speaker 3: tweak mine to here lower than what they're originally designed for.
Speaker 3: You hear pretty far. I'm assuming with your background you've
Speaker 3: probably had shooting muffs on before. These things in the woods.
Speaker 3: You put them on and you walk down the trail
Speaker 3: and you start to notice that if you're hearing bugs
Speaker 3: that are stopping chirping on your right hand side because
Speaker 3: there's some sort of predator or a larger entity in
Speaker 3: that area. It's also a pretty good indicator Okay, there's
Speaker 3: probably something off to the right. Yeah. So those are
Speaker 3: like the three main things I use. I have two
Speaker 3: other things that I've developed that I'm currently just testing
Speaker 3: at this point. So in my research area, I have
Speaker 3: a series of seismic sensors. I just want to say,
Speaker 3: this is not my idea. It's been used forever the military.
Speaker 3: Apple cations for it have been around for a long time.
Speaker 3: So my stuff basically, let's just say a set of
Speaker 3: ten sensors that are stretched out. They go back to
Speaker 3: a main control box. That control box has a cell
Speaker 3: signal that then sends me info when those sensors are
Speaker 3: triggered via the calibrated weight and or sized or step
Speaker 3: pattern of basically the brain inside these seismic sensors are
Speaker 3: calibrated only to pick up weight wise between five hundred
Speaker 3: pounds and fifteen hundred pounds. They're also only calibrated to
Speaker 3: pick up anything that's walking on two feet. Immediately, the
Speaker 3: weight kill the human aspect of it, but then the
Speaker 3: third portion is the distance between each footstep. So if
Speaker 3: for some reason, there's a five hundred pounds hiker that's
Speaker 3: taking a step, the sensor will trip, but if that
Speaker 3: step is under six feet to the next step, it
Speaker 3: won't read the signal again. So these sensors basically just
Speaker 3: pick up what we would consider bigfoot walking through the
Speaker 3: woods at fifth point, and since it's bounced out back
Speaker 3: to me directly via my computer or my phone, I
Speaker 3: can see pretty regularly when there's something potentially moving through
Speaker 3: the area. Each one of those sensors it goes. The
Speaker 3: radius is maybe twenty yards for each of them. That's
Speaker 3: going to get bumped up more. It's just more sensors.
Speaker 3: It's really expensive to do this, so that's the third thing.
Speaker 3: I can lay in bed at night, I'll look at
Speaker 3: my phone and get a notification ping, there's a step, Oh,
Speaker 3: there's another step, or I can go back and pull
Speaker 3: the card and look at all the data for the
Speaker 3: month and kind of figure out, Okay, here's the potential pattern.
Speaker 3: So that's like the first like really high tech thing.
Speaker 3: The last thing is it's a game camera, but not
Speaker 3: a game camera like you would think a game camera
Speaker 3: would be. I gotta be careful because I don't want
Speaker 3: people to take the idea, so I'll give you the
Speaker 3: shorthand explanation of it. It's a buried camera. There's sensors
Speaker 3: that are separated from the actual optic, and the camera
Speaker 3: optic is separated from all the electronics by a pretty
Speaker 3: substantial amount of feet. What's very cool is you have
Speaker 3: this control box that has all your brains and then
Speaker 3: two cables that run however far to an optic and
Speaker 3: a sensor, and if that sensor's tripped, it doesn't alert
Speaker 3: via the typical ar ring of hey, here's where the
Speaker 3: camera is to whatever's around. I kept hearing bigfoot can
Speaker 3: cir sasquatch can seir, they smell the batteries, whatever, So
Speaker 3: I started trying to figure out a way to isolate
Speaker 3: everything that could possibly give them heads up that there's
Speaker 3: a camera in the area. I went back and did
Speaker 3: a bunch of research on other things that could potentially
Speaker 3: let any type of living animal or anything from not
Speaker 3: our plane or world, what would potentially trigger that. And
Speaker 3: I found a lot of times, like game cameras in
Speaker 3: areas with a large bear population, the bear smelled the
Speaker 3: alkaline in the batteries. I said, Okay, cool, that's a trigger.
Speaker 3: I'll separate that, we'll put it somewhere where they can't
Speaker 3: smell it. So, yeah, it's a little weird and it's
Speaker 3: not really something that I've noticed a lot in bigfoot research.
Speaker 3: But my goal is I'm going to use as much
Speaker 3: electronic stuff as I can that's really hard to debunk,
Speaker 3: really hard to hoax, and just put it out there
Speaker 3: when it's all set and ready for people to be like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'll buy one or I'll build one. That's the whole goal.
Speaker 3: The data is promising from everything. The lowest tech portion
Speaker 3: is the headphones thing. I've told a bunch of people
Speaker 3: at this point about these headphones and they're like, man,
Speaker 3: I don't know why I didn't think of this before.
Speaker 3: I'm probably not the first person to do it. I
Speaker 3: will say that on almost everything, we got to do
Speaker 3: something different than what we've been doing for the past
Speaker 3: sixty two one hundred years as far as it comes
Speaker 3: to trying to figure out what, where, when, or who
Speaker 3: Bigfoot is or are or were.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more sasquat chat to see we're right back.
Speaker 1: After these messages.
Speaker 3: I noticed very quickly that everybody does the same thing
Speaker 3: over and over expecting the same results across the world.
Speaker 3: I don't know if people realize this, but somebody once
Speaker 3: said that doing the same thing over and over again
Speaker 3: and expecting a different outcome is essentially crazy. I didn't
Speaker 3: want to go on the crazy part, and I just
Speaker 3: tried to think logically and scientifically how I could prove
Speaker 3: or help prove that there is some sort of phenomenon
Speaker 3: we're able to read or pick up a signal from
Speaker 3: or measure via sensors.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that answered the question. Sorry, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was fantastic.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you going into the tech because I think
Speaker 1: that is something that not a lot of people employ.
Speaker 1: I certainly go very minimalistically into the woods on a
Speaker 1: daily basis here on our forty acres in North Carolina,
Speaker 1: and when I go out to areas like we're going
Speaker 1: to be out in Missouri. I'm going to speak at the.
Speaker 3: The Those Dark Mountain Bigfoot Conference, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Ozark Mountain Bigfoot Conference. I'll be out there
Speaker 1: at the camp out as well. I go very minimalistic
Speaker 1: for me. The most high tech thing I take into
Speaker 1: the woods is probably the audio recorders that I usually
Speaker 1: have with me everywhere I go, but the rest of
Speaker 1: it is very low tech. I'm glad that there are
Speaker 1: people like you out there doing the more high tech
Speaker 1: stuff because I think that is really fascinating. I think
Speaker 1: it's awesome that you're using something that, very much like
Speaker 1: you said, is very difficult to debunk. Because we've all
Speaker 1: seen the paranormal shows. We've all seen some of the
Speaker 1: UFO shows. I've seen some of the tech that these
Speaker 1: folks are using a lot of times. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: the data that they're getting or the results that they're
Speaker 1: getting are very subjective. It is a red flag for
Speaker 1: me when it comes to this, because if it's ambiguous
Speaker 1: data that you're getting, you're only as good as the
Speaker 1: data that you're putting into whatever you're trying to get in.
Speaker 1: It's like the garbage in garbage out right. It's very
Speaker 1: important to have the kind of technology that you're talking
Speaker 1: about that is very difficult to debunk. Before we go
Speaker 1: back into the tech thing. Now that we've covered that,
Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about I know you've been
Speaker 1: on another expedition. Was that the end of your experiences
Speaker 1: with these things?
Speaker 3: No, Like I said, I think I've been on four
Speaker 3: or five at this point, two that were separate alone.
Speaker 3: The second one was in I think Oklahoma. Sorry, I'm
Speaker 3: geographically stupid. I have to think about where I've been
Speaker 3: and where we went and all this stuff. I can't
Speaker 3: picture it. And I can tell you how far I drove,
Speaker 3: but I can't tell you what state or which direction.
Speaker 3: It's like the world's worst curse for me. I went
Speaker 3: on another one. It was on Native land. This was
Speaker 3: a BFRO expedition. Everything I tried, I got no response whatsoever. So,
Speaker 3: like the telephone thing, super weird not having a response
Speaker 3: with that. At this point, when I use that thing,
Speaker 3: it's over sixty percent that we get a substantial, verifiable
Speaker 3: and usually recorded response. If I don't get a response.
Speaker 3: And this is a guest, and this is based off
Speaker 3: of some theories that I have that are really hard
Speaker 3: to explain, the long drawn out things. The easiest way
Speaker 3: to explain it is a spiritually something in the land
Speaker 3: is blocking me from using that to try to communicate
Speaker 3: with whatever's out there. So that's one realm. The other
Speaker 3: realm is there's something not of this world or I
Speaker 3: don't like the term paranormal. It's hard for me to
Speaker 3: use that. I consider myself a paraufologist, but not because
Speaker 3: of the paranormal realm. There's something entoity that's blocking me
Speaker 3: from blasting out this whatever it is from the telephone.
Speaker 3: When on that expedition, didn't really have anything crazy that
Speaker 3: happened there for me, as far as the stuff that
Speaker 3: I put out, I did notice, and I didn't know
Speaker 3: this at the time, the area that we were in
Speaker 3: is an extremely crazy historical hot spot. The way it
Speaker 3: was told to me that if you drop a pin
Speaker 3: where we were, and you go fifty miles within that radius,
Speaker 3: you'll talk to a ton of people and they all
Speaker 3: have had experiences in this area. Maybe I would say
Speaker 3: a thousand feet away from where I was camping, was
Speaker 3: a lady that has lived in this same little a
Speaker 3: frame cabin for sixty years or something. She has regular
Speaker 3: contact and interactions with Bigfoot almost on a weekly basis.
Speaker 3: Before I arrived, someone had seen one, maybe through thermal
Speaker 3: or flear right by her area looking at our camp.
Speaker 3: I didn't know this at the time. This was all
Speaker 3: told to me at the end of the expedition, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, okay, crazy, this makes sense. But there
Speaker 3: was one thing that did stand out a lot to me.
Speaker 3: We were out in the woods this ridge line that
Speaker 3: drops pretty severely, really steep ridgeline into this shallow It's
Speaker 3: not a river, it's just like a creek that runs
Speaker 3: through that's not really wet all the time. It's a
Speaker 3: creek bed. And I found out later on that this
Speaker 3: creek bed is basically a highway for whatever is in
Speaker 3: the area to travel in and out. So right at
Speaker 3: the bottom of the hill, if you drive over this
Speaker 3: creek and you look to your left, there's this house.
Speaker 3: It literally looked like whoever lived there they left in
Speaker 3: a hurry. They left all their stuff. There were toys
Speaker 3: in the yard. The inside of the house is completely
Speaker 3: trashed now now because of nature, but you can tell
Speaker 3: these people left in a hurry. Base get that old hard.
Speaker 3: So we were out in this area, I looked ridiculous
Speaker 3: compared to both people on these expeditions and probably to
Speaker 3: the general public. I have a full kit that I
Speaker 3: wear that has a ton of intennas popping up. I
Speaker 3: know for a fact when people see me on the
Speaker 3: trails or walking around anywhere with this stuff on, they're
Speaker 3: either like, that guy is in the military or he's
Speaker 3: an idiot that's like a ham radio dude. But it's
Speaker 3: basically just a weird hiker with a ton of intennas
Speaker 3: and a full chest rig and everything. So I'm walking
Speaker 3: around this house and I'm starting to get the TBGB
Speaker 3: creepy feeling, which for me is not really that substantial.
Speaker 3: But I'm starting to notice that spectrum analyzer is really
Speaker 3: peaking very low on that spectrum. So ride around one
Speaker 3: point six to one point nine gigahertz. This thing measures
Speaker 3: basically from zero zero zero to nine nine nine point
Speaker 3: nine nine nine as far as it needs to go,
Speaker 3: and it measures low and high or a combination of
Speaker 3: the two. So I'm getting this feeling and I'm watching
Speaker 3: this thing spike. The next thing I know, I'm just
Speaker 3: in this world of terror again, like absolutely scared. I
Speaker 3: turned around and I'm talking to Marianne, and I'm like, hey,
Speaker 3: I feel really bad right now. She's what's going on.
Speaker 3: I don't know. There's something in the area that's peaking
Speaker 3: the analyzer. It's paggued at this one point area, which
Speaker 3: is substantial. Then everybody starts coming around. We're starting to
Speaker 3: hear a little bit of stuff in the woods, but
Speaker 3: no one else is really picking up on anything. At
Speaker 3: one point, I had turned and was just like burning
Speaker 3: the tree line eye wise, like trying to see if
Speaker 3: I could spot something, and I got the parodolia round
Speaker 3: circle blob squatch. It was two leaves and then a
Speaker 3: tree behind it that had what looked like a mouth
Speaker 3: that was opened. I freaked out and with like, holy crap,
Speaker 3: there was a bigfoot right there. It wasn't. It was
Speaker 3: a tree in the leaves, but I'm still getting this
Speaker 3: terrible feeling. Maybe that's the explanation, that's what's scaring me.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the spectrum analyzer and it's just pegged
Speaker 3: as high as it could read for people listening, that
Speaker 3: probably doesn't explain a lot, and it's really hard to
Speaker 3: explain what a spectrum analyizer does if you're not really
Speaker 3: tech savvy. But for a signal to be broadcasted that
Speaker 3: high on something that's directional, handheld, and not directly grounded
Speaker 3: or connected to the Earth, it should not happen. That
Speaker 3: frequency happens a lot at a really famous spot that
Speaker 3: has a lot of really odd stuff, Skinwalker Ranch, they
Speaker 3: see that same signal pretty frequently. People say it comes
Speaker 3: from satellites or radio communication. From what I'm telling it's
Speaker 3: not always that it does happen, but it should not
Speaker 3: happen in this area. We were so far in the sticks,
Speaker 3: no one had say I was experiencing battery drain pretty
Speaker 3: regularly between the headphones, the spectrum analyzer, and some other
Speaker 3: stuff that I was using. I did have something that
Speaker 3: happened on the way down, though It's happened three times
Speaker 3: now and it's really confusing to me. I was like
Speaker 3: twenty minutes away from the area. Mary Anne sent me
Speaker 3: the location of where everyone was camping. So I get
Speaker 3: the location, I plug it into my twenty twenty three
Speaker 3: four truck. Next thing I know, the tachometer, that the
Speaker 3: heads up display, gas gauge, everything, all the electronics in
Speaker 3: the center contole. Everything goes completely dark and I'm driving
Speaker 3: down the highway at this point, I knew I was
Speaker 3: gonna be okay, because it's happened before. I drive two
Speaker 3: or three miles and it pops back on. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: we'll just note that. I take a note of that.
Speaker 3: Then I start looking at the location that I'm going to.
Speaker 3: It takes me like twenty miles away on the other
Speaker 3: side the lake that we were on. And I called
Speaker 3: her and I'm like, hey, where are you guys. I'm
Speaker 3: at a fence that says no entry at the location
Speaker 3: you sent me. She's like, you're way far away from us.
Speaker 3: I'll send the location again. So she sends the same
Speaker 3: exact location to me. I pop it in the second time,
Speaker 3: and it takes me directly a straight line through the
Speaker 3: lake back to the other side of the campground. When
Speaker 3: I got there, I told her that happened. She's I
Speaker 3: gave the same location to a ton of people. There
Speaker 3: were like fifty people at this thing. No one else
Speaker 3: had an issue. Just chalk it up to me having
Speaker 3: weird shit happen all the time. That was pretty much
Speaker 3: hit for that expedition. I was in the lbl Over
Speaker 3: labor day totally terrified that I was potentially going to
Speaker 3: have the dog man experience. That's the only thing that
Speaker 3: scares me in the world of creepy. I've pulled into
Speaker 3: the LBLS. I don't feel anything. I totally feel fine.
Speaker 3: I have that weird intuition that's yeah, I might get
Speaker 3: some activity here or something. Nothing. The first night, went out,
Speaker 3: made a phone call, no response whatsoever. Took note of it.
Speaker 3: Thought it was potentially because of how thick the foliage was.
Speaker 3: We were up on a ridge line, so this telephone
Speaker 3: call should have traveled far because if you're up high,
Speaker 3: it resonates, and it resonates way out. Marianne will tell
Speaker 3: you that it feels like it changes the whole entire
Speaker 3: atmosphere of this area. So did the telephone call the
Speaker 3: first night. Nothing. Did some other stuff. At one point
Speaker 3: she was sitting on the back of the truck bed.
Speaker 3: I walked back to the truck and she said, at
Speaker 3: some point it looked like you were floating like six
Speaker 3: or seven feet off the ground. I'm like, oh, that's weird.
Speaker 3: That has to do potentially with some other stuff that
Speaker 3: I do in the UFO realm, which is the really
Speaker 3: weird that we can get into if there's time, just
Speaker 3: took note of that and was like, oh yeah, we're fine.
Speaker 3: Drove back to the cant no issues whatsoever. The second day,
Speaker 3: we get taken to a spot by a gentleman named Eli,
Speaker 3: who's there a lot. This guy has the sickest truck,
Speaker 3: all the electronic cool stuff that you can imagine. This
Speaker 3: thing has a camera that has two cameras that see
Speaker 3: close quarters wide, wins really cool setups. He's there all
Speaker 3: the time. I'm gonna take you guys to the spot.
Speaker 3: I need to say as I'm walking out to get
Speaker 3: in the truck with everybody, this never happens on an exhibition.
Speaker 3: I've never had this happen. He goes, do you have
Speaker 3: a firearm? I said, yeah, I have two. He said,
Speaker 3: what's the biggest one rifle? You should probably grab that.
Speaker 3: So to me, that was like an immediate red flag.
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, hopefully it's not like that. I didn't
Speaker 3: feel anything for the first fifteen to twenty minutes in
Speaker 3: the truck. So we drove out to a spot, did
Speaker 3: a telephone call, nothing whatsoever. We drove to another spot
Speaker 3: that is a loading for the lake. There's another police officer, Eli,
Speaker 3: another lady Marianne and her husband and myself. I think
Speaker 3: the POLAF officer's name is David. Were standing on this boat. Doc,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do the telephone call because it should reach
Speaker 3: really far out here. As we're all standing there watching,
Speaker 3: we notice that there's no sound. This is a massive
Speaker 3: lake that's land between the lakes, huge wake. We can't
Speaker 3: hear anything. All we're hearing is bug chatterer behind us.
Speaker 3: David has flear or thermal and he spots a deer
Speaker 3: across the lake that's just drinking water and chilling. No
Speaker 3: big deal. We see this boat and we can't even
Speaker 3: hear the sound of the boat, the wake hitting the
Speaker 3: bottom of the boat. And this is like eleven o'clock.
Speaker 3: There's no other boats out there. There's no sound whatsoever.
Speaker 3: You would think that you could hear one boat's engine
Speaker 3: and the wake hitting the bottom of the craft as
Speaker 3: it's traveling through the water, and it literally sounds like
Speaker 3: we're in a silent soundproof bubble and there's no sound.
Speaker 3: Eli's really perplexed because he's never had this happen. He's
Speaker 3: heard paddle borders on their stand up inflatable surfboard paddling
Speaker 3: through the water clear as day, hearing the sound of
Speaker 3: the paddle hitting the water. I can't explain it. I
Speaker 3: do the telephone call, no response whatsoever. The deer across
Speaker 3: the lake drinking water, doesn't even hear this thing. There's
Speaker 3: no way physically it should have been able to hear it. Historically,
Speaker 3: it would have spooked it and it would have ran off.
Speaker 3: There's no sound whatsoever. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3: I thought maybe there was some Native American portion of
Speaker 3: LBL that we were on that potentially protects the land
Speaker 3: through ceremony, which is a pretty large effector of the telephone,
Speaker 3: and one of the reasons that I think, if it
Speaker 3: doesn't work, that's why, so do the telephone nothing. Let's
Speaker 3: go to another spot. So I'm in the truck. We drive.
Speaker 3: It's probably twenty minutes, and I had the headphones on
Speaker 3: because every time I go with a group, as soon
Speaker 3: as I get in the car, I roll down the window,
Speaker 3: turn the headphones on to try to listen for the ambient
Speaker 3: movement as we're driving. Because you're not hauling through the
Speaker 3: gravel roads, I'm not really hearing anything. If the truck
Speaker 3: pulls over and we get out, I walk the exact
Speaker 3: opposite way of the entire group to isolate for any
Speaker 3: potential thermal ring or noise, cell phone noise, or radio chatter.
Speaker 3: And I always listen to try to hear if something's
Speaker 3: moving as soon as everybody's out of the car, because
Speaker 3: usually you'll pick up either a low tier call or
Speaker 3: a low wood knock or a whistle signal, oh hey,
Speaker 3: there's a group here. Everybody walks out.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: So if I walk away, it's usually easier for me
Speaker 3: to pick that up than anyone else in the group.
Speaker 3: But as we're driving down the gravel road, clear as day,
Speaker 3: I hear what sounds like a brass bell ding like
Speaker 3: the bean it resonates. It was so clear that it
Speaker 3: sounded like it was just outside of the truck to
Speaker 3: my left, and I'd pull the headphones off and I'm like,
Speaker 3: did anyone hear that? And David's yeah, I heard it.
Speaker 3: Marianne and her husband didn't hear it. They had their
Speaker 3: windows up. I was like, what is that. There's nothing
Speaker 3: on the car that should make that noise. We even
Speaker 3: checked as we pulled over. We looked under to see
Speaker 3: if there was maybe something hanging down that a rock
Speaker 3: could have smoked and made that d The weird part
Speaker 3: was it didn't resonate enough to where it followed us,
Speaker 3: but it was almost like a signal bee, there's two
Speaker 3: trucks coming this way. Be aware. We keep driving and
Speaker 3: at this point my weird sensors are starting to go off.
Speaker 3: I thought LBL was nothing. I shot myself in the
Speaker 3: foot for that, because this place is not as scary
Speaker 3: as people say it is. I hear the ding and
Speaker 3: everything changes. Absolutely just bombarded with terrified feeling. I'm looking
Speaker 3: at the spectrum antalyzer. It's bouncing super high in the realm,
Speaker 3: in the signal of like me being scared. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: there's something affecting you physically. At this point we get
Speaker 3: out of the cars, I'm like, did you guys hear
Speaker 3: the bell? Eli and his passenger were like, yeah, we
Speaker 3: heard it clear as day as we drove. Your car passed,
Speaker 3: we heard it. That makes no sense whatsoever. If it
Speaker 3: was something that hit the bottom of the car, there's
Speaker 3: no way it was loud enough to where they should
Speaker 3: have been able to hear it. But they heard it
Speaker 3: behind them. So at that point I'm like, Okay, this
Speaker 3: is bad. We're in it now. Mariann goes, don't wander off.
Speaker 3: I have a pretty bad problem of listening of stuff
Speaker 3: or reading signals and just walking off towards stuff to
Speaker 3: try to figure out what it is. Her saying that, Okay,
Speaker 3: this guy told me to bring my rifle. I'm hearing
Speaker 3: this bell that's not there in the woods. There's no
Speaker 3: human around us at this point. It's twelve o'clock at night.
Speaker 3: The lady that I listened to probably more than anyone,
Speaker 3: she's red flagging. He'd be careful, don't wander off. We're
Speaker 3: basically on this dead end road with a cemetery to
Speaker 3: our right. We had backed in so we could drive
Speaker 3: out very quickly if we needed to. Eli starts telling
Speaker 3: us that they've had experiences in this area where they'll
Speaker 3: hear something that sounds like it's jumping down from a tree,
Speaker 3: so you hear the landing, the thud, then they'll hear
Speaker 3: it again on the other side, he said. At one
Speaker 3: point him and his research partner were out there and
Speaker 3: they were basically semi circled a good distance away from
Speaker 3: their vehicle. They were like, we can't see anything, and
Speaker 3: then he's look up in the trees because of the
Speaker 3: hearing stuff land. So as we're all looking around, he
Speaker 3: sees this blue light that's off in the tree lined.
Speaker 3: I caught the very tail end of it with my
Speaker 3: right eye. This thing just burns off into the woods
Speaker 3: and completely disappears. Him and David are trying to look
Speaker 3: around at one of those points where you're like, Okay,
Speaker 3: there's something here, but we just can't see whatever it is.
Speaker 3: Everybody's super on edge the whole entire area. It just
Speaker 3: feels very wrong. You're not supposed to be here. We
Speaker 3: don't care if you have firearms. You should probably leave.
Speaker 3: Him and David come back. Eli's likes, Okay, here's the deal.
Speaker 3: We're probably not gonna see something, but I think we
Speaker 3: have an audience. Mary Anne says that she's not feeling
Speaker 3: physically well terrible headache, which is a pretty good indicator.
Speaker 3: I'm the same thing, just getting bombarded. Absolutely scared. We
Speaker 3: get back in the trucks because now it's let's just leave.
Speaker 3: It's not good. Something bad's gonna happen. There's no reason
Speaker 3: to take measurements out here. We'll just leave it. Like
Speaker 3: it is, and then we'll come back at a different times.
Speaker 3: As we're driving out, we pull over to stop at
Speaker 3: the spot where we heard the d There's no bell,
Speaker 3: There's nothing in the woods that could make that sound.
Speaker 3: I'm literally standing outside of the truck with my rifle
Speaker 3: ready to go Holy shit. This is another one of
Speaker 3: those times where I feel super bad, really bad, really scared.
Speaker 3: We don't find a bell, we don't see anything, we
Speaker 3: don't hear anything. You can just feel a heavy presence spell.
Speaker 3: We start to drive back towards the camp. I feel
Speaker 3: terrible all the way until we get into the camp
Speaker 3: and the same thing. I basically spent the entire night
Speaker 3: petrified that something was coming out of the woods. At US,
Speaker 3: I have the worst sleep schedule possible. Three am for
Speaker 3: me is like noon for everyone else. So when we're
Speaker 3: camping and there's no one else out if their activity,
Speaker 3: you're gonna see this or you're going to experience this.
Speaker 3: At one point I had walked away from the tent.
Speaker 3: My girlfriend went with me. She's rustling around and I'm like,
Speaker 3: what's going on. She's like, I just heard something walking
Speaker 3: around the tent. Were you outside of the tent? I
Speaker 3: was like, no, I'm forty yards away at the truck
Speaker 3: scanning the woods with thermal Why she's I just heard
Speaker 3: like a series of footsteps on the back side of
Speaker 3: the tent. There's nothing out here. There's absolutely nothing out here.
Speaker 3: That was the only stuff that we had happened in LBL.
Speaker 3: But it was very interesting. The telephone not blasting out
Speaker 3: the signal, it's not traveling, it's not resonating. We can't
Speaker 3: hear anything on the lake at all, no sound whatsoever.
Speaker 3: Then we go this one spot and it's the worst
Speaker 3: feeling ever. It's hard for me to explain how it felt.
Speaker 3: But if you do this research, you go in and
Speaker 3: at some point you're like, I'm scared. That's exactly how
Speaker 3: the area felt. The minute we parked the trucks, I
Speaker 3: was like, this is bad. We're in it now. I've
Speaker 3: had some other stuff happen too. I found really weird
Speaker 3: piles of bones that are separated, three femurs lined up
Speaker 3: in really interesting ways. I found deer vertebrae where two
Speaker 3: separate just a few feet apart. There's a total of
Speaker 3: six bones in this entire area. I can send you
Speaker 3: photos of this stuff for video if you would like
Speaker 3: these two deer vertebrae. The bones are completely clean. It's
Speaker 3: not a stick, it's a tree. So something had taken
Speaker 3: these two vertebrae and laced them on a growing tree
Speaker 3: through the spinal column. There's branches below and above, so
Speaker 3: you can tell that it's been there for a while.
Speaker 3: There's two of them within a very short distance of
Speaker 3: each other. They're both laced. I sent this off to
Speaker 3: two biologists a couple other people in the UFO realm
Speaker 3: to try to figure out what it is or what
Speaker 3: could possibly have happened. I talked to a dn R
Speaker 3: and a US Force Service personnel in the area and said, hey,
Speaker 3: I found these over here. Have you guys ever seen
Speaker 3: anything like that. Both of them were like, no, one
Speaker 3: has any reason whatsoever to be in that portion of
Speaker 3: that wooded area. There's no trail. You're basically bushwhacking into
Speaker 3: the spot. The biologists were like, yeah, no clue. The
Speaker 3: likelihood of this happening naturally is like one in one
Speaker 3: hundred million. They're both like, it would take something with dexterity,
Speaker 3: extreme concentration, and depth perception to be able to lace
Speaker 3: those vertebrae through the spot. Final column on a tree
Speaker 3: that's growing out of the ground. When I found them,
Speaker 3: the two trees are broken, but you can still see
Speaker 3: the trunk of the tree and then a couple branches
Speaker 3: popping out the lace through the spinal column, and then
Speaker 3: more trunk of the tree with little new branches popping
Speaker 3: out on both of them. I went out with another
Speaker 3: researcher from the area and I said, hey, look, I'm
Speaker 3: going to take you to my general spot where I
Speaker 3: have the most activity. This one spot I've been whiffled at.
Speaker 3: I took a hike and when I found the tree
Speaker 3: glyph the X with the crossbar. Two weeks before that,
Speaker 3: I was standing in a field and I kept hearing
Speaker 3: the behind me. It was over and over again. But
Speaker 3: when I would turn around and look, and this is
Speaker 3: right at dusk. This is like October. When I turn
Speaker 3: around and look, there's nothing there. Turns out when I
Speaker 3: found the skull stuck on the top of the tree
Speaker 3: and then the glyphs, this is all a direct line
Speaker 3: the field that I was standing in and had no clue,
Speaker 3: and it all clicked. At that one point. You're like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm having activity here. I'm hearing this behind me, and
Speaker 3: all this stuff is in this region right here. I've
Speaker 3: marked all those locations with onex maps. Two times now.
Speaker 3: I've tried to trace back through the onex map and
Speaker 3: Google Earth and some other geolocation stuff, and it's led
Speaker 3: me to a totally different area. The coordinates, the Latin
Speaker 3: launch coordinates are pointed and stuck directly to where I
Speaker 3: found these things, but the map leads me off into
Speaker 3: a different spot. I isolate all my electronics too, so
Speaker 3: I try to make sure that if something comes out,
Speaker 3: one thing is off for everything else is off, so
Speaker 3: there's no electronic interference. This area is so weird that
Speaker 3: I could take two compasses and separate them from two
Speaker 3: feet to ten feet and one of them will always
Speaker 3: spend counterclockwise or clockwise continue, while the other compass does
Speaker 3: not spin at all. I was talking about the guy
Speaker 3: that I went out with the other researcher. We went
Speaker 3: to that same area. I said, hey, look, I'm going
Speaker 3: to take you to the spot. You lead the way
Speaker 3: and we'll go wherever. I'm not going to tell you
Speaker 3: to turn left or right. So we went to the
Speaker 3: field that I was whistled at. We start hiking in
Speaker 3: without really knowing where we're going. He starts walking towards
Speaker 3: a ravine that I've had some other activity in. This
Speaker 3: is four weeks ago. The underbrush is really thick. It's
Speaker 3: dense forests. It's hard to get through, it's covered in ticks.
Speaker 3: It's absolutely not fun to be in. But you gotta
Speaker 3: go where you need to go. He goes towards this point,
Speaker 3: he finds the ravine. There's a little creek. Let's walk
Speaker 3: back up this hill. He walks towards this area and
Speaker 3: we see this clearing within all the underbrush. There's three
Speaker 3: femur bones lined up, almost perfectly spaced. There's a portion
Speaker 3: of what looks like a portion of the blade of
Speaker 3: the hip bone, I'm assuming, and then there's one single
Speaker 3: rib and these are all perfectly arranged in the same line.
Speaker 3: I was like, have you been out here? No, the
Speaker 3: only reason I'm here is because you said this is
Speaker 3: the point where you have activity. I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: he could have went out, but he didn't go out there.
Speaker 3: I've never seen another person crawling through this area. I
Speaker 3: put up game cameras. I try to make sure that
Speaker 3: no one's hoaxing, and I've never gotten any type of
Speaker 3: sign that there's human interaction or manipulation in these areas
Speaker 3: at all. Like I said, I try to make sure
Speaker 3: all my data and all my findings are really hard
Speaker 3: to say that's a hoax or somebody's doing this to you.
Speaker 3: I look at everything from the scientific aspect. When I
Speaker 3: take photos of evidence, I take photos like a crime
Speaker 3: scene investigator, properly trained and have done a ton of
Speaker 3: research just through UFO stuff to make sure that I'm
Speaker 3: doing everything the right way to where I'm not affecting
Speaker 3: the situation or the area or the evidence and no
Speaker 3: one else's that's what's happened so far. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of really weird little things that happened. But yeah, sorry
Speaker 3: for rambling. There's so much stuff at this point. I
Speaker 3: researched ninety nine percent of the time on my own.
Speaker 3: I got to stop two times by l EO and
Speaker 3: they said, hey, you need to leave right now. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: what's the problem. They're like, we're not going to give
Speaker 3: you a reason. You just need to leave the area. Okay,
Speaker 3: Can I come back? Yeah, you just need to leave now.
Speaker 3: So I've pulled out, I've checked to see if there's
Speaker 3: anything going on. I have a police scanner, I can
Speaker 3: listen to the radio. I've had a few times where
Speaker 3: in the UFO realm we call them the men in black,
Speaker 3: not like the movie black SUVs parked at my vehicle.
Speaker 3: As I'm coming out of the woods, I noticed two gentlemen. Basically,
Speaker 3: I'm the only car in the lot. The vehicle's completely unmarked.
Speaker 3: They're both dressed in what looks like uniform blues head
Speaker 3: to toe, and they're circling my car. I waited because
Speaker 3: I didn't want to walk out and start them. They
Speaker 3: get in their suv. They drive off. Two seconds later,
Speaker 3: getting my truck start to drive off not even five
Speaker 3: miles away, this same suv is right behind me. It
Speaker 3: followed me where I research is separated from the main
Speaker 3: area via a giant river I think it's the Mississippi,
Speaker 3: and they followed me all the way to the bridge,
Speaker 3: pulled off, turned around, went back. I can't tell you
Speaker 3: how many times now I've had unmarked SUVs parked by
Speaker 3: my vehicle. Two or three times. I've had radio chatter
Speaker 3: interference from something I get the black helicopter all the time.
Speaker 3: I hate talking about this stuff because people are like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's bullshit. It's a conspiracy. But I've been buzzed in
Speaker 3: the middle of a field at night where no one
Speaker 3: else is. I can tell when there's a radio signal,
Speaker 3: where an FFA signal being blasted from a helicopter that's
Speaker 3: transmitting because it's required to. I was in a field
Speaker 3: doing research, laying there, no lights, nothing on, just literally
Speaker 3: waiting until the right time. And the next thing I know,
Speaker 3: I hear this black helicopter. They being me almost directly
Speaker 3: with the spotlight. My thought is, okay, they're running night
Speaker 3: vision or fleer or thermal and they saw me. But
Speaker 3: I didn't hear this helicopter until it was right above me.
Speaker 3: They were below what you would consider the acceptable height
Speaker 3: of a rescue or a military helicopter. So bad that
Speaker 3: I'm getting the downwashed. This stuff happens to people that
Speaker 3: dig pretty far in the UFO realm pretty regularly. It's
Speaker 3: a weird documented thing that is pretty easy to prove. Now.
Speaker 3: I have a rear facing camera that I drive with
Speaker 3: all the time. If I'm in the woods alone, I
Speaker 3: have a forward facing camera, rear facing camera connected to
Speaker 3: my kit. Mary Anne had a black SUV that was
Speaker 3: parked out in front of her house, completely blacked out windows,
Speaker 3: no plate from what I understand, no markings. She said,
Speaker 3: this has never happened. It's really funny because she was like,
Speaker 3: is somebody gonna show up and ask me a out
Speaker 3: the light we saw? And I'm like, you might have
Speaker 3: some interference. I have an aunt and uncle. They worked
Speaker 3: for the Federal Bureau of Investigation. They can't tell me directly,
Speaker 3: but I can get the family feel like, hey, can
Speaker 3: you tell me what's the possibility of this happening. They're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it could happen, but it's very weird that it would
Speaker 3: happen from us or anyone else. It's just weird. At
Speaker 3: this point, it's cool, but it's very weird.
Speaker 1: It definitely sounds like it. We didn't get into any
Speaker 1: of the weird stuff. We'll have to do that on
Speaker 1: another occasion. If you're come back on the show, I'd
Speaker 1: love to get into some of the UFO stuff. I've
Speaker 1: had multiple UFO experiences. I'd love to have you back
Speaker 1: at some point and get into that stuff. I really
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on and sharing your experiences. If had
Speaker 1: a blast talking to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, definitely. I listened to the podcast pretty regularly.
Speaker 3: I'm like, this guy is having stuff happen on his
Speaker 3: property that sounds similar to some of the stuff that
Speaker 3: happens across the country. Definitely at the Hozark Mountain Bigfoot conference,
Speaker 3: I'll pick your brain about the potential UFO activity in
Speaker 3: your area. I will say this, I'm guessing where you're located.
Speaker 3: I know you were based in Atlanta for some point.
Speaker 3: There's a really famous ufologists down there that you should
Speaker 3: probably get in contact with. I can try to field
Speaker 3: an email. I will say this, if you put this
Speaker 3: on the episode, his name doctor Alan Greenfield. He will
Speaker 3: probably hear it and more than likely reach out at
Speaker 3: the weirdest time possible without me saying anything at all.
Speaker 3: That's up to you. But that guy is a treasure
Speaker 3: trove of information and the last of the really hardcore
Speaker 3: youfologist guys in North America. I'd love to come back on.
Speaker 3: We can get into everything from UFO to the cryptis
Speaker 3: stuff too. My research area, we didn't even cover it.
Speaker 3: It has a lot of very strange ties with Point Pleasant,
Speaker 3: the Mothman, the Manhattan Project, all this crazy stuff. It's
Speaker 3: all verifiable. The thing that I try to do is
Speaker 3: if you want to see the data or you want
Speaker 3: to share the data with the listeners, I will send
Speaker 3: you whatever I have. I think the more eyes on
Speaker 3: everything is better. It certainly helps me because people pick
Speaker 3: up stuff that I don't notice. This isn't what you
Speaker 3: thought it is. If there's anything that you want, just
Speaker 3: let me know and I'll send it your way. For sure.
Speaker 4: They say you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay.
Speaker 5: I don't want to job, this job.
Speaker 4: And every day came in looking back for joy, for me,
Speaker 4: joy staying right, you come in right away.
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