Speaker 1: Up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. At this point,
we've all heard the rumors about Brian Coberger and the
alleged picture or pictures of one of the victims on
his phone. Now, when we first heard this report, I
said then that it was very significant, and when looked
at with the totality of what we already knew, it
was not only significant but in my opinion, relatively damning.
For Brian Coberger having something like that on your phone
when you get caught and you're accused of these murders,
it doesn't look good. Now, of course, his legal team
can easily say, oh, Brian Coohberger is somebody who followed
along with the case and was interested in true crime.
Look he's a criminologist, and that's fine, that's a great excuse.
But will it hold up in court? That's what we
have to think about, not what sounds good. What are
you going to be able to prove to those jurors
inside of that courtroom. And if you're gonna have some
kind of bombastic theory or make all kinds of wild assertions,
you're gonna have to back that up with some receipts
and some evidence. And no matter how many ways, I
twist it and try and look at it playing devil's advocate.
I don't see a pathway for Brian Coberger to have
an explanation here with everything that we know, and remember
it's circumstantial. We don't know if these sources are one
hundred percent legit. But if these sources are on point
and all of this is true, then it certainly adds
up to a very very damning picture for Brian Coberger.
And frankly, I happen to believe that these sources are
on point. So we'll see, obviously later on down the
road if these sources were legit or if they weren't.
But it all tracks, especially when you're Monday morning quarterbacking it.
Today's article is from Newsweek headline Brian Coberger is a
lets photos on phone highly significant ex FBI agent. This
article was authored by Kalita Rockman, and I agree one
hundred percent if it turns out that these photos are
on his phone, depending on the nature of them, especially
imagine if they're photos that he actually snapped himself while
he was on one of these surveillance missions that the
government says he was engaging in. Bro shows up hanging
out in his car, hiding out whatever it is he's doing, creeping,
snapping pictures of these girls while they're in their house
or whatever. Talk about damning. Now, if it's something that
he typed off of social media, a little bit less
damning in my opinion, because you can explain that away
a little bit better. But if it's an actual photo
that he took in his phone of one of these girls,
forget it. Brian Kohberger allegedly having pictures on his phone
of one of the four University of Idaho students he
is accused of killing is highly signif according to a
former FBI agent. Well, I'm not a former FBI agent,
but it sounds significant to me as well. Coburger, twenty eight,
has been charged over the deaths of Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonsabis, Xanakernodle,
and Ethan Chapin. They were found stabbed to death inside
a rental home near the university campus in Moscow, Idaho,
on November thirteenth. The women had lived there with two
roommates who survived the attack. Coberger was a PhD student
of criminology at Washington State University in nearby Pullman when
the murders took place, and I remember directly after these
murders happened, there was all kinds of talk about who
the perp might be, and a lot of people were
thinking it was a college student. I didn't think that
it was going to be one of their peers or
somebody in their circle, especially when people started to get
cleared so quickly. You know, the ex boyfriend, the two
surviving roommates, all of the people that you would look
at first under normal circumstances, and I certainly was on
that path myself. I figured that the boyfriend who had
all of those phone calls that were sent to him
during this period, I figured old boy had something to
do with it. Now, I wasn't gonna talk out of
my neck and start naming people by name, But in
the back of my mind, when I was looking at
this case when it was first breaking off, it certainly
looked to me that this was a crime of passion
and that somebody was really really upset with at least
one of these girls or Ethan. And that's because the
overwhelming majority of situations like this are carried out by
somebody that the victims knew. So when it's somebody from
outside their circle or from outside of their life, if
you will. That makes it a lot more difficult to
find the person who's responsible. So when it wasn't somebody
in their social circle or an ex lover or something
like that, it became a case where it was hit
or miss if they were going to be able to
find the person responsible. And if it wasn't for Brian
Colberger leaving that she there with the DNA on it,
this guy probably would have gotten away with this. He
was arrested on December thirtieth at his parents' house in
Pennsylvania and is yet to enter a plea to four
counts of first degree murder and one count of felony burglary.
A lawyer who previously represented him said he was eager
to be exonerated, and a preliminary hearing is set to
begin on June twenty sixth. Authorities found multiple photos of
one of the female victims on a phone seize from Coburger,
People reported earlier this week, citing an unnamed source familiar
with the investigation. And here's the rub for a lot
of people, And I get it right, I'm not the
biggest fan of the legacy media. It's one of the
reasons I started my podcast. I don't believe that the
legacy media has our best interest at heart, and frankly,
I don't want activist journalists. I want journalists who are
chasing the truth and who are unencumbered by loyalty to
a political party or to a group. The idea of
the legacy media as the fourth the state is to
hold those in power to account, and I think they've
forgotten that, and they've certainly lost the trust of the people.
So I get when people are like, look, I don't
believe any unnamed source. So I completely understand that and
totally get why folks out here wouldn't believe people and
the sources that they say they have. The magazine did
not reveal who the alleged photos were of, or if
they had been taken by Coburger or downloaded from social media.
I think that's all significant, right. I don't know if
we'll get that information anytime soon, but I think it's
going to be significant to know how those pictures ended
up on his phone, and forensically they'll be able to
trace that. They'll know when those those pictures were taken
or if they were down they can find everything. When
it comes to a digital footprint, forget it. But Tracy Walder,
a former FBI special agent and former CIA officer, told
News Nation that if true, it would show a pattern
of behavior, no doubt about it. That's what I said too.
When you look at everything, it's about the patterns, right,
It's not about a one off him acting weird one time.
It's about the totality of his behavior and the documented
evidence of that behavior. We know that he was reprimanded
at Washington State University for his treatment of some of
the female students and female staff, Walder said, and so
if he had photos on his cell phone, it directly
ties him back now to the occupants of that house.
This is one step closer to tying him to that
And frankly, with all of the evidence, as far as
we know it, the Instagram following the dms, these pictures
mad Greek, the University of Idaho, I've seen what I
need to see to be convinced that Brian Cohberger certainly
had ties to these girls, at least from the perspective
of him following them on social media and watching them
from afar. Walder said Coburger could have easily found their
Instagram page and save screenshots of pictures they posted. One
hundred percent very easy to do that. We all know
that if he was taken sort of action shots of them,
stalking them, following them to their work, school, and all
of that, that really sort of goes more towards this premeditation.
She said, absolutely, that'll play a big part into it. Now,
if those photos are of the variety that we talked
about him actually snapping those flicks, that's going to be
very damning for him in the courtroom, and I don't
know how he'll get over that. I don't know how
he'd convince the jury that he didn't premeditate all of this,
especially if they find those pictures, or if they've found
those pictures already. It comes after reports that the Coburger's
now deleted Instagram account had followed Gonsalves, Mogan, and Kernodle.
A source told People in January that he had repeatedly
messaged one of the women but never received a response.
He reportedly first sent a message in late October and
then several more. Basically it was just him saying, hey,
how are you, But he did it again and again.
The source said, so if this is true, and these
photos are on this phone, it will certainly put everything
into context and perspective for the jurors, right, it will
be the glue that binds it all together, the fact
that he had pictures of them on his phone, especially
if their pictures, say, taken from his car while they're
in front of their house doing yard work or whatever.
Can you imagine how damning that'll be when brought in
front of a jury. Say you were sitting on the
jury and you saw that evidence, and you saw all
of the other circumstantial evidence that has been provided, and
you're on the fence a little bit. I don't know
if this is true, this might not be true, and
then you see these pictures, forget it. That's enough to
convince anyone who might be on the fence. So if
these pictures do exist, and I happen to believe people's source,
so I happen to believe that they do exist, then
I think it's very damning evidence against Brian Koberger. And
I think that evidence will go a long way to
helping get a conviction. All Right, folks, that's gonna do
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