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Speaker 1: Up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. At this point,

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we've all heard the rumors about Brian Coberger and the

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alleged picture or pictures of one of the victims on

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his phone. Now, when we first heard this report, I

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said then that it was very significant, and when looked

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at with the totality of what we already knew, it

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was not only significant but in my opinion, relatively damning.

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For Brian Coberger having something like that on your phone

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when you get caught and you're accused of these murders,

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it doesn't look good. Now, of course, his legal team

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can easily say, oh, Brian Coohberger is somebody who followed

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along with the case and was interested in true crime.

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Look he's a criminologist, and that's fine, that's a great excuse.

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But will it hold up in court? That's what we

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have to think about, not what sounds good. What are

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you going to be able to prove to those jurors

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inside of that courtroom. And if you're gonna have some

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kind of bombastic theory or make all kinds of wild assertions,

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you're gonna have to back that up with some receipts

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and some evidence. And no matter how many ways, I

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twist it and try and look at it playing devil's advocate.

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I don't see a pathway for Brian Coberger to have

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an explanation here with everything that we know, and remember

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it's circumstantial. We don't know if these sources are one

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hundred percent legit. But if these sources are on point

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and all of this is true, then it certainly adds

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up to a very very damning picture for Brian Coberger.

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And frankly, I happen to believe that these sources are

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on point. So we'll see, obviously later on down the

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road if these sources were legit or if they weren't.

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But it all tracks, especially when you're Monday morning quarterbacking it.

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Today's article is from Newsweek headline Brian Coberger is a

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lets photos on phone highly significant ex FBI agent. This

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article was authored by Kalita Rockman, and I agree one

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hundred percent if it turns out that these photos are

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on his phone, depending on the nature of them, especially

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imagine if they're photos that he actually snapped himself while

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he was on one of these surveillance missions that the

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government says he was engaging in. Bro shows up hanging

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out in his car, hiding out whatever it is he's doing, creeping,

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snapping pictures of these girls while they're in their house

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or whatever. Talk about damning. Now, if it's something that

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he typed off of social media, a little bit less

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damning in my opinion, because you can explain that away

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a little bit better. But if it's an actual photo

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that he took in his phone of one of these girls,

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forget it. Brian Kohberger allegedly having pictures on his phone

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of one of the four University of Idaho students he

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is accused of killing is highly signif according to a

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former FBI agent. Well, I'm not a former FBI agent,

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but it sounds significant to me as well. Coburger, twenty eight,

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has been charged over the deaths of Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonsabis, Xanakernodle,

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and Ethan Chapin. They were found stabbed to death inside

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a rental home near the university campus in Moscow, Idaho,

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on November thirteenth. The women had lived there with two

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roommates who survived the attack. Coberger was a PhD student

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of criminology at Washington State University in nearby Pullman when

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the murders took place, and I remember directly after these

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murders happened, there was all kinds of talk about who

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the perp might be, and a lot of people were

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thinking it was a college student. I didn't think that

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it was going to be one of their peers or

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somebody in their circle, especially when people started to get

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cleared so quickly. You know, the ex boyfriend, the two

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surviving roommates, all of the people that you would look

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at first under normal circumstances, and I certainly was on

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that path myself. I figured that the boyfriend who had

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all of those phone calls that were sent to him

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during this period, I figured old boy had something to

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do with it. Now, I wasn't gonna talk out of

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my neck and start naming people by name, But in

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the back of my mind, when I was looking at

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this case when it was first breaking off, it certainly

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looked to me that this was a crime of passion

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and that somebody was really really upset with at least

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one of these girls or Ethan. And that's because the

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overwhelming majority of situations like this are carried out by

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somebody that the victims knew. So when it's somebody from

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outside their circle or from outside of their life, if

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you will. That makes it a lot more difficult to

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find the person who's responsible. So when it wasn't somebody

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in their social circle or an ex lover or something

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like that, it became a case where it was hit

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or miss if they were going to be able to

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find the person responsible. And if it wasn't for Brian

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Colberger leaving that she there with the DNA on it,

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this guy probably would have gotten away with this. He

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was arrested on December thirtieth at his parents' house in

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Pennsylvania and is yet to enter a plea to four

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counts of first degree murder and one count of felony burglary.

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A lawyer who previously represented him said he was eager

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to be exonerated, and a preliminary hearing is set to

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begin on June twenty sixth. Authorities found multiple photos of

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one of the female victims on a phone seize from Coburger,

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People reported earlier this week, citing an unnamed source familiar

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with the investigation. And here's the rub for a lot

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of people, And I get it right, I'm not the

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biggest fan of the legacy media. It's one of the

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reasons I started my podcast. I don't believe that the

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legacy media has our best interest at heart, and frankly,

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I don't want activist journalists. I want journalists who are

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chasing the truth and who are unencumbered by loyalty to

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a political party or to a group. The idea of

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the legacy media as the fourth the state is to

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hold those in power to account, and I think they've

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forgotten that, and they've certainly lost the trust of the people.

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So I get when people are like, look, I don't

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believe any unnamed source. So I completely understand that and

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totally get why folks out here wouldn't believe people and

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the sources that they say they have. The magazine did

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not reveal who the alleged photos were of, or if

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they had been taken by Coburger or downloaded from social media.

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I think that's all significant, right. I don't know if

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we'll get that information anytime soon, but I think it's

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going to be significant to know how those pictures ended

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up on his phone, and forensically they'll be able to

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trace that. They'll know when those those pictures were taken

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or if they were down they can find everything. When

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it comes to a digital footprint, forget it. But Tracy Walder,

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a former FBI special agent and former CIA officer, told

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News Nation that if true, it would show a pattern

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of behavior, no doubt about it. That's what I said too.

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When you look at everything, it's about the patterns, right,

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It's not about a one off him acting weird one time.

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It's about the totality of his behavior and the documented

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evidence of that behavior. We know that he was reprimanded

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at Washington State University for his treatment of some of

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the female students and female staff, Walder said, and so

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if he had photos on his cell phone, it directly

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ties him back now to the occupants of that house.

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This is one step closer to tying him to that

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And frankly, with all of the evidence, as far as

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we know it, the Instagram following the dms, these pictures

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mad Greek, the University of Idaho, I've seen what I

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need to see to be convinced that Brian Cohberger certainly

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had ties to these girls, at least from the perspective

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of him following them on social media and watching them

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from afar. Walder said Coburger could have easily found their

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Instagram page and save screenshots of pictures they posted. One

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hundred percent very easy to do that. We all know

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that if he was taken sort of action shots of them,

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stalking them, following them to their work, school, and all

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of that, that really sort of goes more towards this premeditation.

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She said, absolutely, that'll play a big part into it. Now,

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if those photos are of the variety that we talked

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about him actually snapping those flicks, that's going to be

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very damning for him in the courtroom, and I don't

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know how he'll get over that. I don't know how

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he'd convince the jury that he didn't premeditate all of this,

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especially if they find those pictures, or if they've found

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those pictures already. It comes after reports that the Coburger's

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now deleted Instagram account had followed Gonsalves, Mogan, and Kernodle.

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A source told People in January that he had repeatedly

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messaged one of the women but never received a response.

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He reportedly first sent a message in late October and

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then several more. Basically it was just him saying, hey,

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how are you, But he did it again and again.

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The source said, so if this is true, and these

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photos are on this phone, it will certainly put everything

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into context and perspective for the jurors, right, it will

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be the glue that binds it all together, the fact

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that he had pictures of them on his phone, especially

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if their pictures, say, taken from his car while they're

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in front of their house doing yard work or whatever.

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Can you imagine how damning that'll be when brought in

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front of a jury. Say you were sitting on the

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jury and you saw that evidence, and you saw all

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of the other circumstantial evidence that has been provided, and

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you're on the fence a little bit. I don't know

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if this is true, this might not be true, and

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then you see these pictures, forget it. That's enough to

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convince anyone who might be on the fence. So if

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these pictures do exist, and I happen to believe people's source,

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so I happen to believe that they do exist, then

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I think it's very damning evidence against Brian Koberger. And

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I think that evidence will go a long way to

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helping get a conviction. All Right, folks, that's gonna do

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