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Speaker 1: And Hi, how are you welcome? Welcome to the Big

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Podcast on this Tuesday. Today is the twenty eighth day

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of April, year of our lower twenty twenty six. My

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name is Tom Sullivan. We've got probably a more subjects today.

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I want to talk about them I think I've seen

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in a long long time. So let's dive into it.

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Because this afternoon, surprise, surprise, the Justice Department has indicted

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former FBI director James Comy. No, no, no, no, this

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isn't an old show. I know that he was indicted

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before and that was dismissed, but this is the second

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time that. This is the first time he was indicted.

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It had to do with why he got thrown out

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of court was because of the fact that they did

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not have a proper us attorney in the Eastern District

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of Virginia, and so they straightened all that around. But

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this is about the seashells. Remember the photo of the

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seashells that he posted on social media on Komi posts

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on social media, and he claimed that he was out

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walking on the beach and he looked down and the

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shells were perfectly lined up eighty six forty seven, Which

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how do you interpret eighty six. Well, it's kind of

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an expression from mob movies, isn't it about you want

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to eighty six? That guy is to bump him off,

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to kill him. So it was eighty six forty seven.

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And so the reason that they are indicting him is

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because of the fact that he was making a threat

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on the life of the president. So whether or not

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this can get anywhere, but this is the second indictment

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where and it goes without it's obvious, it goes without saying.

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The first time they indicted him, it was from Pam Bondy,

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and that was on him lying to Congress. Well, that

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didn't go anywhere. So this time we've got a new

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acting Attorney General and Todd blanche and you know the

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president's been itching to get Komy and and so here

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we are. Jonathan Durley, George down Law professor. He weighed

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in with this.

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Speaker 2: Well, I have to say, I must be in a

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parallel universe to be talking about the shell artwork of

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James coming. But the fact is that it is relevant

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only to the extent that he might have denied a

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fact that proved to be his denial proved to be

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false to federal officials in stocking.

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Speaker 3: But do you mean, like if there was a witness

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or something on the beach who saw him.

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Speaker 2: Is that what you're going if he was questioned, well,

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if he was questioned and gave false information to federal investigators,

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that can be the basis of a charge. I think

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that just showing the picture is going to be a

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weak case in terms of a threat. What's interesting is

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that the first indictment that was dismissed involved false statements

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under eighteen USC. Thousand and one, and that's the most

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used provision in terms of false statement prosecutions by the

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Department of Justice. What's interesting about that dismissal is that

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it was based on the fact that Lindsay Halligan, who

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was the acting US Attorney, was viewed as not properly

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in her position. That problem has now been cured by

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James Huntley, who is appointed essentially by the court. Now,

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it's not clear if they went back and just cured

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that problem, they're going to reissue part of what they

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were pursuing under the original indictment, or whether we're talking

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at this point of something that is a new charge.

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Speaker 1: This looks like a new charge, and the President has

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made a very clear He said when he was campaigning

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that he was going to get retribution. And Comy was

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seen as a leader in the perceived effort to weaponize

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a justice system against Donald Trump, and so Trump is

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going after him. Missed on the first shot. So this

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is the second indictment of James Comyan. It's about posting

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a photo on social media of the numbers eighty six

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forty seven. Will that be enough for a jury to

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convict him of threatening the president? He wrote on the

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posting that he put up on social media. He took

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the photo and then the caption was cool shell formation

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on my beach walk. He said he saw the shells

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on a beach in North Carolina. So you can judge

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that for what you like. I doubt that that's going

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to go anywhere, but it does give does give James

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Comy more legal headaches and more legal bills, no question

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about it. And at the very least, I think that's

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what Donald Trump will be happy. He wants to make

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life miserable for James Comy. Harriet or Bond, who is

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a legal contributor at Fox, She also waited.

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Speaker 4: Here we are again with James Comy, Right, we don't

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have the indictment yet, but I'm wondering if they're bringing

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a charge under eighteen USC. Seventy one, which makes it

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a federal crime to knowingly or wilfully make any threat

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to kill or kidnap or bodily harm against the president,

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vice president and so forth, all based on that ceashell

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instagram post. Of course, Look, this is a project that

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is near and dear to the President's heart, right, and

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this goes back to really the trauma that James Comy

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inflicted upon the president in the first administration.

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Speaker 5: The torture.

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Speaker 4: I think we all remember that pretty well, right, And

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so if you recall the Inspector General.

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Speaker 5: Wrote a really bad report about Komy back then.

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Speaker 4: Because what he would do during the first Trump administration

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he would write himself these memos, and those memos contained

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sensitive information about, say the Russia investigation, and then he

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would give those memos to his lawyers. And in one

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instance he a memo one of his own memos to

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a friend and instructed that friend to give it to

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the media. He later said the reason he did that

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was to basically gin up what ended up being the

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Mueller investigation against Trump, which you know, it was a

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burn Book concluded that there was no big collusion that

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was happening between the Trump administration and Russia. And really,

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you know, that investigation, I still say is one of

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the biggest dist graces in American history and really in

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abuse of the justice system. And James Comy really was

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behind that with these memos. Now, if you remember, Bill

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Barr refused declined to prosecute him based on the handling

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of the sensitive information those memos. The president, though publicly

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he said it showed that Bill Barr was a fair

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and reasonable person, he also expressed frustration about that. Later on,

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we saw that Lindsay Halligan, who is I don't know

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what we'd call her exactly, but the temporary US attorney

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in the Eastern District of Virginia tried to bring a

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case against Comy. That one nowhere as well. So now

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are they going to have shot this time around? I

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don't know.

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Speaker 1: I could play a long list of lawyers who are

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saying this doesn't have a chance, but we'll let the

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justice system take it from here. It's clearly retribution. But

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that's exactly what Donald Trump said he was going to do,

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no question about it, all right. The other Culture War item.

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So we got culture war number one with James Comey

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the other culture war item that is creating a hullablue.

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I'm sorry, I just I'm tired of culture wars and

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a lot of this. I'm sorry, I don't care, but

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man alive. Are people on the right coming after for

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the second time. Jimmy Kimmel and Jimmy Kimmel, Well, he

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said something on his show Thursday Night. Thursday Night was

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two nights before the Why he has Correspondence dinner, right,

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Jimmy Kimmel made a comment that I totally believe that

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he knew exactly what he was doing, and well, let

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me play it for you. Makes a comment about Malania Trump.

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Speaker 6: For ten ROAs. I said, our first lady, Malania is here.

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Look at her, so beautiful, missus Trump, you will have

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a glow like an expectant widow, which obviously was a

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joke about their age difference and the look of joy

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we see on her face every time they're together.

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Speaker 1: It was a very light roast joke.

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Speaker 6: About the fact that he's almost eighty and she's younger

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than I am.

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Speaker 1: It was not, by any.

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Speaker 6: Stretch of the definition, a call to assassination and they

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know that I've been very vocal for many years speaking

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out against gun violence in particular. But I understand that

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the first lady had a stressful experience over the weekend,

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and probably every weekend.

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Speaker 1: Is pretty stressfull in that house.

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Speaker 6: And also I agree that hateful and vice rhetoric is

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something we should rechecked. I do, and I think a

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great place to start to dial that back would be

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to have a conversation with your husband about it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that was the reaction that he got pushed back,

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and so that was his reaction about what he said

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on Thursday Night show about she looks like an expecting widow.

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So if he was making a comment about age difference,

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it's interesting because Donald Trump's going to be eighty in

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just a couple of weeks and Malania's birthday was Sunday

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and she turned fifty six, so there's quite an age

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difference there. But one of the closest friends that Jimmy

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Kimmel has is Howard Stern and Howard Stern and the

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Kimmels they go on vacation together, so they're very close.

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And I don't know if he makes fun of Howard's wife,

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she's twenty some years younger than Howard, but Malania is

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twenty four years younger than Donald Trump, and I would

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think in Hollywood twenty four years is kind of common.

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And it brings up the whole question about well, how

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far apart can you be in age for it to

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be looked down on. My parents were ten years apart.

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My father was ten years older than my mother. There's

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a lot of people that are ten, twelve, fourteen, twenty,

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I don't know, But anyway, what Kimo was doing, it

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reminds me of an old friend of mine who would

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pull people's chain on purpose to get publicity. And one

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of the things that I've heard today is there's a

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whole bunch of people on the right that are having

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major cows about what Kimmel said. I don't really care

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what Kimmel said. I don't care about Kimmel. I don't

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watch his show, and oh, by the way, not many

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other people do either. The ratings are terrible. Late night

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television is not just Jimmy, but all those shows at

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late night they get next to nobody. They really have

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small numbers in their audience, so they're talking to some people,

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and the people that follow him and watch his show

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are probably of like mind, and they probably thought that

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was funny. I mean, Jimmy Kimmel. I go back to

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when he was on The Man Show, and he's been

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an irreverent comic for as long as I can remember.

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But the more people have jumping up and down as

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loud as they can protesting Jimmy Kimmel, the more it

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adds to his popularity. The last time when he got

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in trouble was after Charlie Kirk was assassinated, and what

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happened People were screaming about Jimmy Kimmel. Well guess what

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a lot of people tuned in to find out. Oh,

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let mean, let me see how bad this guy really is.

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and here I am, I'm talking about him, the more

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people have a protest about him, the more his audience

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will go up. ABC is probably popping champagne bottles because

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the audience has been so small. They can't make money

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on that show. They can't sell advertisers for any decent

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amount of money because there's not much of an audience

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for advertisers to talk to. So this will boost his

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ratings for a while. ABC probably isn't going to do

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a thing. There's a new president of Disney and that

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person has to figure out what to do with this

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because Disney owns ABC. But I I mean, in this business,

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we are all watching the line, every one of us.

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And when you say something, and whether it's scripted or impromptu,

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you've got in the back of your head you're going,

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let's see, is that going to cause the boss to

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come in and say you're off the air, goodbye, here's

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your pink slip. Because it happens, and there's no definitive line.

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There's no formula for how media companies deal with their

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talent when they say something that causes a ruckus. All

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I'm saying is the more you protest, the more the

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benefit to Jimmy Kimmel into ABC. I remember years ago

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there was some movie that came out that was really

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insulting about Catholic priests. Now long before the child thing,

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way back I was teenager, and I remember at the time,

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all these Catholics were having big protests at the thea

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where they showed this movie, and all it did was

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add to more success for the movie. That's all I'm

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saying Melissa de Rosa, she is supposedly a Democrat strategist.

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Speaker 7: Look, President Trump, there's been not one, not two, but

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three attempts on his life at this point. And if

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you were to, let's put it, let's put the age

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aside of President Biden. Imagine the outrage from the left

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if a similar joke would have been made towards Michelle

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Obama about Barack Obama. And we're at a point right

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now where the degradation of norms and decency in this

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country is not abstract. It is the direct result of

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people with big platforms not exercising basic judgment. And this

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was poor judgment and it wasn't funny, and he should apologize.

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree he should apologize that. But if she

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thinks that that's some slip of the tongue, no, that's

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what he does. He says controversial things on purpose, and

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he's certainly that's what the First Amendment is for, is

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you have the right to say not kind things, but

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controversial things that offend people and the government can't stop

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you from doing that. But ABC can fire him, but

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they're not going to do that. They are going to

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actually probably say thank you very much, you did it again,

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and he'll wait another six months to a year and

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he'll pull some other stunt. That's what he does. There's

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a lot of comedians out there that say that comedy

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has been chilled because of the fact that they're afraid

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to say anything controversial. So should he apologize? Yes, Malania

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Trump not happy. She put out a tweet This is

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read by a television anchor.

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Speaker 3: Kim Well's hateful and violent rhetoric is intended to divide

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our country. His monologue about my family isn't comedy. His

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words are corrosive and deepens the political sickness within America.

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People like Kimmel shouldn't have the opportunity to enter our

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homes each evening to spread hate. A coward, Kimmel hides

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behind ABC because he knows the network will keep running

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cover to protect him.

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Speaker 5: Enough is enough. It is time for ABC to take

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a stand.

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Speaker 3: How many times will ABC's leadership enable Kimmel's atrocious behavior

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at the expense of our community.

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Speaker 1: Well, the more reaction that he gets from the first

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lady herself from whatever person out there. The more they react,

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the more he smiles, the more that's what he's trying

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to do. And yeah, he does say corrosive things a

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lot of comedians do. I don't go to comedy clubs

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because a lot of their language is absolutely horrible. But anyway,

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I thought it was interesting. Mark Beckman is apparently an

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aid to Milania.

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Speaker 8: Jimmy Kimmel should be terminated from ABC, and I think

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ABC needs to determine is this the type of person

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and violent rhetoric that it wants to affiliate with.

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Speaker 1: Think about it.

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Speaker 8: ABC has been protecting Jimmy Kimmel now for a long time.

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This isn't an isolated incident. It's been going on and

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on and on. And the problem, as you're very well aware,

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is that there are crazy people out there who are

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listening to this violent rhetoric, this terrible political oriented violent rhetoric,

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and they're turning it into action. So for the third

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time now, our president has had his life at risk,

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and it's because of this rhetoric. There's no doubt about it.

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It's completely normalized. And that's the problem. It's within the

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entire Democrat ecosystem.

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Speaker 1: I guess, depending upon your mindset, you might think that

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that was promoting violence. I do not, but it was

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in bad taste. But that's again, there's a lot of comedians,

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including Jimmy Kimmel, that the whole their whole thing is

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being in bad taste. That's what they do on purpose. Well,

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let's follow up with the legal parts of the guy

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who attempted to shoot the president and everybody else. At

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the White House correspondence dinner. Jim Trustee, former federal prosecutor,

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he brings us up to speed on what's happening.

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Speaker 9: I think is a pretty safe bet. I mean, the

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reality is you could load up and charge individual counts

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of attempted assassination and firearm offences for every cabinet person

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that was there. So there's a lot of room to

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kill a lot of trees in this indictment. Again, well,

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we have a temporary charging document right now. It's going

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to be replaced by an indictment, and sometimes they even

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supersede and add stuff later. But bottom line is, I'd

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expect a lot of different charges. I think the only

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issue about the charges is there's no assault on that

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one Secret Service agent, So I think they're running down

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the possibility, at least I'm not committing to this, but

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the possibility that there was friendly fire that explains that

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one shot. The language in the complaint was very unusual.

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It kind of said there was a shot that rang

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out and this person was hit, say that mister Cole

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fired the gun. They just describe a shot in the

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abstract and there is no assault charge. So it's a

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little iffy.

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Speaker 1: We'll see how that goes. Now, the FBI is going

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through the process of interviewing literally everybody that was a

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witness in that room. That's two thousand people plus. They

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are also talking to his family, which is apparently cooperating.

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Speaker 9: Lock him in though, you got to bring him into

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the grand jury in DC, get them under oath, get

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them saying I receive this email, he told me his feelings.

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You know, they're going to be pretty important witnesses in

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the long run. You can reconstruct some of these emails

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just by going to the provider, the internet provider.

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Speaker 1: But when you have.

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Speaker 9: Live people that'll say that's my son, that's my friend,

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that's my brother, whoever it is, there's almost always this

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person that says, why he kept to himself? And he

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seemed like kind of a quiet, nice guy. I mean,

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we get that almost as a cliche. But look, the

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bottom line is he's a very intelligent guy. This is

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very premeditated behavior. We can talk about, you know, the

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societal ills that are here in the United States.

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Speaker 1: That sets a guy like that off.

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Speaker 9: But you know, I think all of the taking trains

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across the country, pre arming, sending out timed emails.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not going to get away with insanity. This

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was well planned out, well thought out by a fairly

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intelligent god. All right, let's talk about the war that's

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on pause, the one in Iran. Let's start with General Keen.

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Let's see where he thinks things should be going from here.

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Because the White House has received apparently an offer through

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Pakistan that we opened the straight up horror moves, we'd

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stop our blockade, and then the Iranians will think about

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getting back to us on the enriched uranium that they have.

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I know it doesn't sound like much of an offer,

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but here's General Keen.

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Speaker 10: I don't think that's the deal that's acceptable to President Trump.

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I mean, we're three weeks into this cease five. We

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want in a cease Remember, they shut down the straits

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of a mouse. The President to a look at it, thought,

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maybe there's a possibility of getting some negotiations here. Set

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a deadline. We're a week passed the deadline. The Runnings

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have made a numbers of proposals to us. None of

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them have been acceptable to the President, all for very

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good reasons, because they're not meeting our objectives. And I

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don't think that's the Runtings objective. I think their objective

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is really just to stall and drag out these negotiations

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so that there's more pressure on the president in terms

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of the economic situation and the political situation. They believe

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time is on their side and they will eventually get

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maybe two things. One the President to stop the war

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entirely and just accept the status quo, or to make

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concessions to a deal that they are not prepared to

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make right now. So I think where we really are

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is likely a reassessment at the meeting yesterday that took

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place in a White House on this subject to plot

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a pathway forward. I think to me the obvious pathway

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forward is finish what we started. The negotiations have not worked,

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so go back to the combat operations. Finish up the

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last two weeks that we were not able to complete

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about twenty five percent of what is left. Go back

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to the original objective, take away all of the offensive

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capability so that they will no longer be a predator

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in the region. Let's accomplish that mission. Let's also open

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the straight straits of a mouse. All of that makes

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some sense. And at the same time, if we're not

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already doing it, I think the Masade and the CIA

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should be doing everything that they can inside of Iran

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to undermine this regime, because there is no doubt the

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regime is getting weaker by the day as the economic

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issues begin to really take its toll. I make one

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more point for those who believe that all we should

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do is continue to blockade and they maintain the straights

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of moves closed and somehow that will eventually change the

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running and behavior that is misguided, because you've got to

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you've got to look at their situations through their eyes,

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not through our eyes, and what's reasonable. They will absorb

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this economic suffering from the blockade because they don't care

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about their people. Gas lines, electricity shut down. They'll put

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up with all of that for what reason, just to

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survive and you've got to we have to understand who

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they really are, and they are absolutely hardliners here. So

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I think the most reasonable path going forward is finish

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what we started, and that's return the combat operations that

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open up the straits. That's the best course of action. Now,

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I think we underestimate the regime, and we've done that

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more than once. The reality is, yes, we've taken away

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eighty percent of their revenues. That's not sustainable. At some

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point the regime will economically collapse if we do that.

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But in the near term they will do everything that

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they can keep coming back to this point to survive

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because they don't care about their people. They've already proven it,

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given all the economic woes they had before we put

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the blockade in place, and that's where they are. Let's

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finish it, is my recommendation. The status quo, they'll drag

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it on for weeks and for months that in terms

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of blockade, and they shut down the Straits and Moves

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and all these other countries are suffering as a result

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of it. We have a much better solution than that,

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and that is go back to the original plan.

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Speaker 1: As I stated, well, I've applaud General Jean he's got.

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The solution is to finish the job. They did not

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complete their military checklist, and they need to go do that.

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They need to find the regime and arrest them like

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we would any enemy country, the leadership of an enemy country.

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So if we keep waiting for them, they're gonna stall this.

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That's what they're famous for. Colonel Cedric Layton, he's a

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former intel officer, and here's his assessment of how to

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handle it. Run.

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Speaker 11: I think it's not something that we can know precisely

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at this particular point in time. The problem that the

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Iranians have is exactly as you pointed out. There is

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a storage issue, and they're doing You're doing things like

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using containers that you know wouldn't pass muster with the

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EPA even these days. And it's one of those areas

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where what the Ranians have to do is they have

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to find a way to get the oil out, because

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if they don't get the oil out, it eventually impacts

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their production, will also impact their ability to make money

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off of it, to provide money not only for normal

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governmental functions, but since forty percent of the Iranian economy

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is controlled by the IRGC, it also means that the

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IRGC doesn't get any money and can't really cross secute

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the war at least using those kinds of funds. So

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those are certainly limitations that the Ranians have, and that

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could mean that they have an incentive to reach some

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kind of the deal because of this.

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Speaker 1: Now this whole business of they don't know what to

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do with all the oil and they can't store it,

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so what is going to happen to it? Beth Center,

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former National Security advisor. This is her view.

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Speaker 5: Because it basically gets us not even back to the

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status quo anti, it gets us back to a position

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that is suboptimal to where we were when we started

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this war. And so he just can't do it right.

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He needs to show something that he's making progress. And

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I think that the real problem here is that there's

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just no clear path forward to figuring out how we

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can do that. What do we do? And so you

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get a choice of either doubling down on the pressure,

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which I think is kind of where they're at, restarting

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the military option, which they don't want to do, or

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you know, trying to move this somewhere closer and maybe

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you know, bringing the Russians in or something like that.

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I mean, but not a lot of good options here.

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True dilemma.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's no hummin onnhawing from General Keane, and he

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knows exactly what to do next. That's why I say,

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I think it's going to come down to the military.

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They're going to have to fire them up, even though

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best Sanders said that they don't want to. What else

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she going to do? And that was where she left it.

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And there's another war, but it's not a military war.

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It's in out in Oakland, California. The trial started today

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between Sam Altman and Elon Musk. A little history on

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this is just a little. Elon Musk funded the beginning

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of chat GPT. Sam Altman was there as well, so

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you might call them co founders, but the money behind

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was from Musk. And what Elon said was, I will

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put the money up for this AI large language model

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program you've got, but I want it to be nonprofit.

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I don't want this to be a for profit venture.

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And Sam Altman said, yeap okay. And so he went

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about the business of building chat GPT and saw where

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he needed to raise a lot of money to build

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his data centers and everything else, and also to make

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a lot of money, so he changed it into a

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for profit company and Elon Musk has been wanting to

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oust him ever since. So the trial began today with

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Elon Musk suing chat GPT and Sam Altman wanting Sam

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Altman to be ousted from chat GPT. And there's a

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lot of criticism about chat GPT that's being published in

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a lot of financial press saying they're really not a company.

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There are plenty of AI companies out there. Anthropic is

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another one, Gemini is another one, but that chat GPT

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really isn't a company. And Elon Musk is in They're

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in a court room in Oakland, California, and this will

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go on for a few weeks. Kate Rooney from CNBC

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is at the trial.

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Speaker 12: So, as you mentioned, opening arguments kicking off here in Oakland,

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and just this is in the Elon Musk for Sam

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Altman trial. We are here in Oakland. We're gonna be

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here for a couple of weeks. The first witness we're

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hearing could be called this afternoon. We do expect to

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hear at some point from Elon Musk, Sam Altman himself,

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and Microsoft CEO Sati and Adela, among otherns you're gonna

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get other big AI names out here. Altman and Open

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Ai president Greg Brockman, who is also a co defendant.

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We're here in the courthouse behind me. Yesterday as a

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handful of jurors did share pessimistic views about AI, others

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disagreed with Musk's political opinions, and the judge at the

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time yesterday I said, quote, the reality is about Musk,

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that people don't like him in her words, but added

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that the jurors, she thought, could put aside some of

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these preconceptions and respect the judicial process. This is an advisory,

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Jerry Guy, so the judge does have a final say

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terms of liabilities and remedies. The case goes back to

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the founding of open Ai about a decade ago as

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a nonprofit. If you can believe it, Musk and Altman

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at the time were friends.

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Speaker 5: A decade ago.

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Speaker 12: They came together to found what they called the Manhattan

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Project for AI to take on Google at the time,

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which was a big winner, and ensure that AI was

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built safely. They didn't want any major tech company controlling this.

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According to the complaints in this case, Musk is seeking

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up to one hundred and thirty four billion dollars in damages,

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as well as the removal of Sam Altman from his

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leadership position and the unwind of a recent restructuring that

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happened for OpenAI. Musk first sued OpenAI and Microsoft in

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twenty twenty four. The twenty six original claims I've now

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been whittled down to just too, We've got preach too

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charitable trust, and then just enrichment. The feud between Musk

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and Altman has been extremely public. It's been ramping up

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in the last couple of days. Even Musk writing on

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x yesterday they quote scam Altman and Greg Stockman, as

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you put it, stole a charity full stop. Open Ai,

534
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on the other hand, called this lawsuit has repeatedly said this.

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They called it baseless and a jealous bid to derail

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a competitor. Open Ai has accused Musk of trying to

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prop up his competing firm, which is XAI that recently

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merged with SpaceX head of its potential IPO. The trial, guys,

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does come ahead of what is expected to be a

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record IPO year for both SpaceX and potentially Openei canbine

541
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,079
market value it needs if you look at private markets

542
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topping two trillion dollars.

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Speaker 1: So it sounds like just a couple of rich guys

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mad at each other. But it's more than that. This

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is about AI, and we're in the infant stage of AI,

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and some of these companies are going to survive and

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some of them are not. But this is about Elon

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Musk wanting it to be a nonprofit and Sam Waltman

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changing it into a for profit. And look at you.

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You've seen the headlines about huge layoffs from not only

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tech firms but just regular big companies. A lot of

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it is because AI is already having an impact on jobs.

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So we'll keep an eye on this trial between Sam

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Altman and Elon Musk out in Oakland, California. Wall Street

555
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today it was a bunch of red arrows today, but

556
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not big. The Dow down twenty five to forty nine one,

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the SMP coming off a record high, down thirty five,

558
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the Nasdaq getting hit by again, a lot of questions

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about AI companies and which ones are going to succeed,

560
00:33:49,799 --> 00:33:52,640
which ones are going to fail. A nasdack down two

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hundred and twenty three. Price of goldfell eighty four dollars

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to four thousand and six nine, and oil keeps climbing

563
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because there's no outcome on the horizon for the Iran war.

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So up another almost four dollars today West Texas Intermediate

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ninety nine dollars and ninety cents. Let's call it one

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hundred dollars for West Texas Intermediate Oil. That's it for today.

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Thank you for coming by. We will be back again tomorrow.

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I hope you are turned. We'll see the other