Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
I hope that all of you had a great Christmas break,
and I hope that you got to spend the time
that you had off, hopefully with the people who matter
the most to you. Me I was able to do
just that. I got to hang out with my amazing girlfriend,
my parents, my family. It was a very nice and
relaxing time.
Speaker 2: All the way around.
Speaker 1: But if you folks know me by now, you already
know that I was busy at work at the same time.
I don't really take days off, folks, And I've been
working on a new podcast that's going to be coming
out very soon, and this podcast is going to be
based on the new HBO show House of the Dragon.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I've been talking about this Game of Thrones podcast for
a very long time. For those of you who have
been listening to the other Jeffrey Epstein show, you know this,
But it's starting to all come into view now, and
I've been working on it for quite some time, and
I'm really pumped to change paces here and talk about
something that's not obviously anywhere near as heavy as the
topic we're discussing on a regular basis, meaning Epstein and Maxwell.
So this House of the Dragon podcast that I've been
working on, it's gonna be real fun. We're gonna dive
into the Targarians from the very beginning. We're gonna talk
about a lot of the shall we say, secondary characters,
and we're gonna talk about a lot of the issues
that we're going to see in the story on HBO.
Speaker 2: But for those of you who.
Speaker 1: Are not familiar with this part of the Game of
Thrones lore, if you will, man, you're really going to
be in for a treat. It's an absolutely epic time
as far as that story goes, and the battle between
the target for supremacy of the Targarian dynasty is by
far one of George R. R. Martin's greatest works. So
I'm very excited to dive into that, you know, get
to talking about Damon Targarian and the rest of them,
and really, you know, jump into a topic that is
nowhere near her as heavy as what we've been discussing
now for three years. Obviously, I also have my Beyond
the Horizon podcast, and over there we're going to continue
to be talking about the news and you know, daily
strife in the world, and all of that stuff as well.
But I'm pumped up about this Game of Thrones podcast
that I'm getting ready to launch, and I think a
lot of you out there who listen to this podcast
will really like that as well, considering I know a
ton of you have sent me emails about Game of Thrones,
so get ready for that. It's coming up within the
next month or so. I'll have a lot more information
about the actual release, but the plan is to release
like four or five episodes right away so that we're
often running and ready to go. So that's what I
have planned coming up for the new year for you folks.
And a couple of other projects as well that I've
started to work on with a couple of associates and
colleagues that are pretty interesting as well. So plenty of
stuff coming up in the new year. And obviously we
still have a lot to unpack as far as Epstein,
Maxwell and their associates. So we're not going to just
forget about these people either. This discussion is going to continue.
These people need to be brought to account, they need
to be held to account, and they certainly need to
be brought to justice. So today, hopefully we get a
step in that direction, right. The jury is deliberate now
for another full day, and I would think that we're
getting close to verdict time, folks. So with that said,
why don't we dive in today to today's topic and
discuss what's going on as we speak in the courtroom
as the jury deliberates. Now, Glen Maxwell got to spend
her sixtieth birthday in jail on Christmas Day, and I
for one am not even upset about it. This lady.
If anybody has ever deserved to spend their birthday in jail,
If anybody who has ever earned whatever kind of disgusting
Christmas dinner they serve up at jail, it is Glen Maxwell.
In my opinion, this lady is reprehensible. Her whole entire
character is gross and disgusting. And if you believe what
these accusers say, and if you believe what the prosecutors say,
and I do, she's a lot worse than even that.
So we've been through three weeks now of trial. We've
had testimony, we've had witness statements, we've had closing arguments,
and now we just wait for the jury to deliberate.
So my guess is, and again this is just a
guess that will get close to a verdict very very soon,
maybe even today. You know, the jury's coming back. They
got some full bellies, hung out with their families, rested
and recharged and ready to go, you would think. So
my guess is that today or tomorrow will be verdict time.
And I'm certainly on verdict watch all day today. I
was going to go out for a little while today
and head up to the mountains do some climbing, but
I've decided to stick close to home because I have
a gut feeling that we might get some movement here.
Speaker 2: So we have to wait.
Speaker 1: Obviously, we don't know for sure what's going to happen,
but it's just one of those gut feelings. And I
think that after having their little vacation here, their little
three day break, four day break that the jury had,
that they're going to be motivated to get things moving
in the proper direction here and get this show on
the road.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Trying to read the tea leaves about what the jury
thinks or what they're up to, that's way above my
pay grade. I have no idea as far as making
an educated guess or an assumption about what they're up to.
I really don't know, folks. Like I've said, I never
really followed court cases.
Speaker 2: Like this before.
Speaker 1: This is all new to me. I'm certainly not a
court reporter or somebody who's interested in the nuance of
what goes on in the courtroom for the most part.
But when it comes to this case, obviously we're locked in,
so I would think that and again just my gut
that we're going to see a verdict either today or tomorrow.
So getting down to it, folks, verdict watch is certainly on,
and Glane Maxwell is looking like she's gonna find out
her fate very very soon. With that said, let's jump
into an article from CNN and let's get us prepared
for the day headline Jurors and Galline Maxwell's sex trafficking
trial returned to resume deliberations, authored by Lauren de Valley
and Eric Levinson over at CNN, And surprisingly enough, CNN
has done a pretty good job on the day to
day coverage of this as far as you know, updates
on the deliberation process and where things are at throughout
the day, CNN has actually done a pretty damn good job.
And I'm surprise that because they're usually wrapped up in
you know, the finer points of political tribalism, so they
don't have the time to report on stories such as
this in the proper manner. But this time around, looks
like they're actually giving it a little bit of attention
and pretty shocking, honestly coming from CNN. All right, so
let's see. After taking a long weekend for the Christmas holiday,
jurors and Glen Maxwell's federal sex trafficking trial are set
to resume deliberations Monday morning in New York. Maxwell, the
former girlfriend, co conspirator, general all around scuzbag, fellow child
abuser you mean, and longtime associate of the late sex
offender pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, has pleaded not guilty to six
federal accounts sex trafficking of a minor, enticing a miner
to travel to engage in illegal sex acts, transporting a
miner with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity,
and three related counts of conspiracy. If convicted on all
six counts, Maxwell faces up to seventy years in prison.
It's about one hundred and seventy years too short even
if she gets convicted. In my opinion, look these are
the kind of charges. These are the kind of crimes,
crimes against children, crimes against the most vulnerable, that I
think should have the heaviest of penalties. There should be
no wiggling off the hook when you're abusing the most
vulnerable amongst us. If you're abusing children, no kind of deal,
no kind of plea, nothing directly underneath the prison after
your trial, after your conviction, and you never see the
light of day again because you can't be rehabilitated. There's
no fixing you. If you're somebody like Jeffrey Epstein, if
you're somebody like Glenn Maxwell, you were born fucked up. Okay,
you're a lemon. You came off the line screwed up,
and there is no fixing that. So I don't even
I know why we would bother wasting resources with people
like this. Convict them and put them underneath the prison
and forget about them. Jurors deliberated for about an hour
on Monday, and then all of Tuesday and Wednesday. At
the end of Wednesday's deliberations, the judge asked if they
would consider returning Thursday, but they declined. You know, the
jurors were like, look, I got a prime rib to cook.
I got all kinds of fixings to make. I got
family coming over. I can't be sitting around here in
this courtroom dicking around with you during my Christmas holiday.
Speaker 2: It's basically what the jurors told the judge.
Speaker 1: And you know what, the more I think about it,
the more I don't blame them. If they wanted them
to work through the holiday, they should have stipulated that, Hey, look,
you're gonna have to work through the holiday. Maybe that
wasn't stipulated. These people made plans or whatever with their families,
and you know, it ended up being what it was.
Really comes down to, once again, the shitty timing of
this trial in the first place. Why said it up
right around the holidays? What's the point in doing that?
Why not set it up for January? Second, at this point, nah,
you guys have to set it up for November twenty ninth,
right after Thanksgiving and right before Christmas. Yeah, great idea.
During deliberations, the jury asked the court a series of
questions related to testimony from the women who claim who
excuse me? From the women whose claims form the core
of the case against Maxwell. First, jurors asked the judge
for the transcripts of testimony from Annie Farmer, Carolyn and Jane,
three of the four women who testified that they were
sexually abused by Epstein, and that Maxwell facilitated and sometimes
participated in the abuse. So the jurors are trying to,
you know, get all the stories straight, right. They want
to make sure that they have all of the pertinent
information so that they come up with the right decision,
at least the best decision that they're capable of coming
up with. So I know that they're There was a
lot of reading of the tea leaves when it came
to these juror notes and all of that stuff. But again,
I'm not hip enough when it comes to these kinds
of backroom deals to really dive in and speculate and
that like, I have an idea what I'm talking about.
That's why I read the article from Adam Klasfeld, somebody
who actually does know what he's talking about when it
comes to this sort of thing. So you know that
there's a motivation and reasoning behind the jury asking for
this stuff. It's just trying to figure out exactly what
they're up to. That's the hard part, right, And you
would think that the jury, especially considering them not taking
the judge up on the chance to deliberate on Thursday,
you would think that they're going to take their time
with this and go through it with a fine tooth comb.
And to be honest with you, I think that's a
good app idea. Anytime there's a jury and they're looking
at evidence in a case, they should be delivered. They
should take their time. Jurors also asked for FBI notes
from a two thousand and seven interview with Carolyn that
the defenses said is inconsistent with their testimony in court.
The FBI notes are not in evidence, but some excerpts
were read into the record during her cross examination. So
again back to that right little recap. The FBI notes
the three h two proffers, they're not evidence, so they
weren't put in as evidence, right so they couldn't obviously
be drawn upon.
Speaker 2: By the jurors to look at.
Speaker 1: But some of the excerpts that were read into the record,
while that is evidence now, so they can go back
and look at that if they want further. The jury
asked whether it can consider Farmer's testimony for two of
the conspiracy counts jurors may do so, Judge Allison Nathan said,
So that was a big deal in my opinion as well,
because what it shows is that the jurors can look
at the transportation issue here, transporting Annie for sexual purposes,
for the purposes of being trafficked, and that gives the
prosecutors another route for conviction here. The deliberations cap a
three week trial highlighted by testimony from four women who
said Maxwell recruited and groomed them to be sexually abused
by Epstein. The abuse allegedly began when they were younger
than eighteen, and their accusation stretched from nineteen ninety four
to two thousand and four. And we all know that
it's a lot longer than that. We all know. And
I'm going to keep driving that point home in case
there's new listeners or people who might have forgot okay,
a lot longer than the ten year period, folks. Jeffrey Epstein,
according to reports, was active all the way up until
his second arrest. So put that in your pipe and
smoke it for a little while. And the most terrifying
thing of all of this is Jeffrey Epstein was just
the tip of the Iceberg. How many more Jeffrey Epstein's
and Glenn Maxwells are still out there. Epstein, an elusive
financier who pleaded guilty in two thousand and eight the
state prostitution charges, was indicted on federal sex trafficking charges
in July twenty nineteen. He died by suicide, allegedly in
prison jail a month later. Maxwell, now sixty, was arrested
in twenty twenty and has been held behind bars since
the since under close watch. So remember, Jeffrey Epstein wasn't
in prison when he died, Okay, he was in jail
and lock up, and obviously it's different minor issue, but
it wasn't prison jail, and they say that he was.
He committed suicide in there. I say allegedly because at
the end of the day, we don't know, We have
no information about what happened in that jail cell. They
have not been very transparent at all, and the people
that act like they know for sure, one way or
the other what went on in that jail cell, I
would be very very cautious of the things they have
to say to you, because guess what, none of us
know what happened at the trial The prosecutor's case against
Maxwell arrested primarily on four women with personal stories of
her role facilitating Epstein's abuse. Jane, testifying under a pseudonym,
said Maxwell organized sexual massages with Epstein and sometimes joined
in the abuse. The charges of enticing and transporting relate
to testimony solely from her. So each one of these
girls had a story to tell, right, Each one of
these ladies, now, I should say, had their own story
to tell about the abuse that they suffered at the
hands of Maxwell and at Epstein. And it was very
powerful the testimony that they brought forward. Obviously, it comes
down to credibility. Do you believe their story or don't you?
Do you believe that Maxwell's team did a good enough
job to punch holes in their credibility. That's really what
it comes down to. Right for me, I don't see
the defense as doing a good enough job with that,
a good enough job to make me say, ah, yeah, wow,
I've had this all wrong. This is nothing but a
money grab. I have not seen anything at all that
points me in that direction. All I see is a
bunch of guilty ass so called elite who are still
being protected by the system by their friends. Carolyn testified
that when she was fourteen, Maxwell touched her breasts, hips,
and butt and told her she had a great body
for Epstein and his friends. The child sex trafficking count,
the most serious of all the charges, relates to her testimony.
And think about that for a minute. That is a
very strong and very powerful charge. But it's only the
one when we know that there were so many more,
and it just sticks in my craw Folks, it makes
me want to vomit. Honestly, definitely not digestible, that's for
damn sure. I can't digest the fact that these people
got away with this for this long and how many
times we have to hear about Epstein and his friends,
but none of his friends are ever brought up on charges.
None of his friends are ever caught up in This
makes you wonder, doesn't it.
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Flip the script, what if it was you or your
friends and you were engaged in some kind of criminal conspiracy.
You think that you would have been able to get
away for it for decades? I highly doubt it. Kay
testified Maxwell invited her over and directed her how to
give Epstein a sexual massage. She said Maxwell spoke often
of sexual topics with her and asked Kay to invite
other young girls for Epstein's sexual desires. So it chose
you right there. What Maxwell was up to, grooming, trying
to get these girls, to get other girls involved. And
then what Maxwell would say is, well, I didn't recruit
these girls. The other girl did. I had nothing to
do with it. And it's so transparent to me. The
fact that they were engaging in this is so transparent.
And then to have the audacity the balls to try
and call Virginia a trafficker. I take great umbrage to that,
great umbrage to that. Virginia was a little girl who
was groomed, a little girl who was brought into the
clutches of these scumbags, and then Maxwell and Epstein not
only abuse her, but then have the audacity to try
and pin the whole thing on people like her. Oh,
she was the one who was bringing other girls. Fu
can break Man Farmer, the only accuser to testify by
her full name, testified that she was sixteen when Maxwell
massaged her naked chest at Epstein's New Mexico ranch in
nineteen ninety six. Prosecutors sought to closely link Maxwell and
Epstein and set her actions. Normalizing sexual massages were crucial
to his international abuse scheme at his properties in New York, Florida,
New Mexico, and the US Virgin Islands. A single, middle
aged man who invites a teenage girl to visit this ranch,
to come to his house to fly to New York
is creepy, Prosecutor Alison Most said in closing arguments. But
when that man is accompanied by a posh, smiling, respectable,
age appropriate woman, then that's when everything seems to be legitimate.
And I agree, I mean, it definitely helps normalize things
to have someone like Glenn Maxwell show up as opposed
to just egg dick himself. Imagine you're some little girl
and you show up and egg Dick Epstein's there and
his stupid ass mom jeans wearing a pair of New
Balance or whatever the hell he's wearing on his feet
that day, goofy pair of slippers. No wonder you need
Maxwell there to help soften the blow, literally showing up
and fucking Nosferatus waiting for you. So miss me with
all of the Galaine, had no idea what was going on. Shit,
I'm so tired of it. And when that woman encourages
those girls to massage that man, and then she acts
like it's totally normal for the man to touch those girls.
It lures them into a trap. It allows the man
to silence the alarm bells. The defense meanwhile, it focused
its case on lengthy cross examinations of the four accusers
and detack their motivations and memories of the alleged incidents.
Maxwell declined to testify in her own defense. Yeah, no shit,
talk about getting goosed. She would show up on that
stand and it.
Speaker 2: Would be a rap.
Speaker 1: For those of you who are familiar with the author
Joe aber Crombie and his works, I would have San
Dan Glocta Old Styx himself do this interrogation because let
me tell you what, Glene Maxwell is not built for
this life. I've said it from Jump Street. You put
her in a room with a real investigator, a real interrogator,
and she's looking at one hundred and fifty two hundred
years and the federal government really has motivation to go
after people. Maxwell would be singing like a little bird
Canary City Baby, But the government doesn't have the backbone
for it. The government doesn't want to go after all
the Jeffrey Epstein's friends. They'd rather let them run around
than continue on their path of deviant behavior. In closing arguments,
attorney Laura Meninger sought to distance Maxwell from Epstein and
suggested he had manipulated her as well. She said the
prosecution's case is based on and distracting photos of Maxwell
with Epstein, including several that show are giving him a
foot massage. She's being tried here for being with Jeffrey Epstein,
and maybe that was the biggest mistake of her life.
But it was not a crime, Manager told the jury, No,
not at all. No crimes were committed here. Glenn Maxwell,
upstanding citizen folks. You guys got it all wrong. We've
been missing the boat the whole time. Maxwell is just
obviously another victim of Jeffrey Epstein's She's not educated, she's
not smart, she's not somebody that knows what's what I mean?
Speaker 2: Really, is that really.
Speaker 1: What you want us to believe, Laura Meninger, because nobody's
buying that shit. Stop regifting us the same kind of
nonsense we hear in every other case. It's bullshit, it's garbage,
and honestly it falls on deaf ears with most people. Now,
that doesn't really mean anything at the end of the day, though,
does it What we think, what anybody else thinks. All
that matters is what that jury thinks and what decision
they come up with in the next few days. So
we'll be here continuing to wait for the verdict following
what occurs on a daily basis as far as inside
of this courtroom, and when that verdict is announced, I
will be here to talk about it with all of you.
So with that said, folks, we're gonna wrap up this
morning's edition and get prepared.
Speaker 2: For the day.
Speaker 1: So I hope that all of you have a great
day out there, and yeah, I'll be back later on
for sure, and we will pick this up where we
left off so throughout the day, obviously more context episodes
come in your way and all of that other good
stuff that you've come to expect. All right, everybody, I
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Underscore cap Ucci. The link that we discussed can be
found in the description box. What's up everyone, and welcome
back to the Epstein Chronicles. Well, folks, another day has
come and another day has gone, and the jury still
has not made its decision. Today, jurors asked for more
information as they continue to pour over the evidence as
they try and figure out if Glen Maxwell as guilty
as charged.
Speaker 2: Now, we know that we had a little bit of
a break due to.
Speaker 1: The Christmas holiday, there's been some hiccups in the scheduling
for this whole entire thing. But you would have to
think that we're getting down to the nitty gritty at
this point, and that the jurors, armed with all the
information previously all of this new information they have requested,
are going to come to a decision one way or
the other very soon. Now, again, I'm not in that
juror's room. I really have no idea what they're thinking,
or what the issues are, or if there are some roadblocks,
or if there's a holdout, whatever it may be, or
if they're just being extra cautious and extra surgical with
the way they go about things one way or the other. However,
we're going to find out very soon and we're going
to get a verdict in this case. Now, the question
is when is that going to occur. Now, the longer
it goes, the more questions you start asking yourself about
the prosecution's case. Did they do a good enough job
to sell it to the jury. If they did, why
is the jury taking so long? And then you start
diving into the uh end of the pool. That is
purely speculation, But at this point, as we're waiting for
the jurors to come back with their decision, it's kind
of hard not to speculate or to let your mind
wander a little bit, right And I know me personally anyway,
and I have no uh, you know, evidence or anything
of this, but for me personally, it feels like the
longer it goes, the better it is for the defense.
You would think that with the evidence presented and if
the prosecution served it up cut and dry, that the
jury would already be you know, rendered a decision and
be moving on. But that's certainly not the case here,
and there's obviously something that's going on in that jurors
room that's causing them to take a little bit more time.
So with that said, we have an article tonight from
Law and Crime and Adam Klass and let's try and
get some clarity about what's going on here and what
to expect or what the jurors are doing inside of
that jurors room headline Jurors weighing fate of Glene Maxwell
scrutinize reams of evidence as deliberations stretch into the second week.
And if you would have asked me before all of
this broke, before the story started, the trial all of that,
if it would take this long for jurors to deliberate,
I would say, no way. There is so much evidence
here that it's hard for me to wrap my mind
around the fact that it's taking the jurors this long
to deliberate. But then you look at the prosecution and
the small scope of their case and the fact that, look,
if you're a jur and you're hearing that there's going
to be three weeks of witnesses and then you only
get two, you have to be questioning it right off
the bat, right, Why are they only providing this many witnesses?
Is after saying we're gonna have this many witnesses, you know,
you add that to some of the other things that
have gone on with the prosecution and the way that
the defense has been able to chip away at the
credibility of some of the testimony. And I guess you
could see why the jury is having a little bit
of a difficult time here if you're looking at it
from a completely unbiased viewpoint. But when you know everything
that we know and you've had a look behind the curtain,
it's hard as hell to swallow the fact that we're
even at this point. This lady should have been convicted
last week. In my opinion, Like I said, this article
was authored by Adam Klassfeld. Jurors in the case of
accused Jeffrey Epstein accomplice a co conspirator general around scusbag
fellow child abuser Glenn Maxwell, continue to examine reams of
evidence with out reaching a verdict. On Monday, the fourth
day of the liberations and the first following the holiday recess.
So you'd have to think the jurors came back all
recharged and ready to go after a nice holiday break
a few days before the Christmas Day, few days after
Christmas Day, you know, some food whatever it is, now
back ready to go. So I would hope with all
of this new found energy that they have that tomorrow
is the day, right. I said this morning that I
was hoping that it would be today or tomorrow, and
I'm still holding out hope that tomorrow is the day
that we finally get over the hump here and get
this verdict locked in. I'm pretty sure that you folks
are all tired of hearing my fat yep talking about
talk about Glen Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein at this point, right,
I mean, can we get this conviction already, please? Maxwell,
who was born on Christmas, turned sixty years old over
the break and she spent both events behind bars inside
Brooklyn's Metropolitan Detention Center, where she has spent her pre
trial detention. Ah, poor Gallayn Maxwell had to spend her
birthday in Christmas in lock up. I mean, who cares?
Whose heartstrings is that tugging on? Especially considering when you
know how bad a lot of other people have it
in prison, and have had it in prison for a
very long time. The system's broken. The Department of Justice
is trash, The Bureau of Prisons is a dumpster fire.
We all know that we're supposed to feel bad because
Glene Maxwell has to spend her birthday and Christmas in jail. Yeah,
how about all of the people rotting away right now
who can't pay two grand an hour for lawyers, or
who have never gotten a trial, or who have gotten
a hearing and then gotten it pushed back over and
over and over again. What about those people? Those are
the people I feel bad for, not Gleanne Maxwell. The
first week of deliberations, cut short because of the holidays,
adjourned after two full days plus some forty five minutes
following closing arguments without a verdict. Jerors kept busy throughout
that time requesting transcripts of testimony from Maxwell's alleged survivor.
Survivors Jane, who testified under a pseudonym, Carolyn, who took
the stand only using her first name, and Nanny Farmer,
the only accuser to testify under her full and true name.
You know, I've heard some people talk about the fact
that some of these girls testified in an anonymous way.
My response to that is, would you really want to
have your name dragged through the mud through the media
the way some of these people do it?
Speaker 2: These muckrakers out.
Speaker 1: There, And if you think that Glainne Maxwell and her
team don't have people at their disposal to do that
exact thing. You're very wrong. Just take a look at
how Christian Everdell docked the survivors in court. They don't
care about anything, any of that stuff, and if it
helps their case, what do you think they're going to
stop people from trying to discredit the survivors or drag
their names through the mud. You know it's going to happen.
It's the tried and true tactic of these people. It's
the way that they conduct themselves when they're trying to
defend their big, so called hot shot clients. Every single
time one of their so called hot shot clients gets
handsy with some young lady, and you know, it's just
par for the course for these people. How many of
these rich people, these uber rich, i should say, the
so called elite, are engaging in this behavior. And then
when all is said and done, they have them sign
a non disclosure agreement where they can't even discuss the
fact that they were abused by one of these modern
day robber barons. And it goes on and on and
on and on. The wheel continues to spin, and the
children of never continue to be abused by the the
scumbag men of always. Later that week, the jury requested
transcript of testimony by Epstein's ex house manager, Juana Lessi
and the final accuser, Kate, not her real name, as
Kate was above the age of consent and the relevant jurisdictions.
US District Judge Alison Nathan instructed the jury that she
is not an alleged victim, but they could consider her
testimony if they find it relevant to the issues before them.
And again, it just another thing about the prosecution. Why
even bring her forward and say you're going to have
four survivors giving testimony when you really only have three.
You got to think about it from the jury's point
of view, and the jury they're impaneled to be fair
as fair as possible right with the information that's provided
to them. And if the prosecution is lacking and they're
not providing all of the information or they're doing a
piss poor job. I'm looking at you, Maureen Komi, then
you have these sorts of issues that pop up where
a good defense team is going to latch onto that
and try and harness that to the best of their
ability to get their client off. And that's what I
was afraid of. The whole entire time that we've discussed this,
that the prosecution was going to get rear a railroaded
by the defense again, and these high profile lawyers were
going to just have a field day with a weaker
prosecution team. And in a few instances we've certainly seen
that take place. Now, it wasn't as widespread as I
was scared it was going to be, but there were
several instances where you could tell that the defense was
simply overwhelming the prosecution. Scrutinizing both the prosecution and the
defense cases, jurors asked Judge Nathan during the first week
of deliberations to clarify whether Farmer's testimony could be considered
for two of the conspiracy counts against Maxwell. At the time,
Nathan informed them the answer is yes, you may consider it.
And again going into that, that's about the transportation aspect,
so Annie being transported to New Mexico is what they're
looking at here and what they're going to try and
pursue as far as criminal charges against Maxwell. Once again,
I'm all for it, but that's the best you guys
can come up with. All this time, all these years,
all these resources, and this is the best foot forward
from the federal government. Huh, pretty crazy to think how
hard they go after people like say El Choppo. And
while I'm not going to sit here and tell you
El Choppo's a good man, he is not. Don't you
think the same sort of zeal should be shown when
going after people like Glenn Maxwell, the same sort of effort,
the same sort of resources. During the first week, the
jury also asked for notes from the FBI's two thousand
and seven interview with Carolyn, but those records were not
in evidence. Experts note that the request, however, could show
at least one juror is taking the defense's central claims seriously,
the proposition that Maxwell's alleged victims changed their stories before
taking the witness stand, and this is another piss poorer
performance by the prosecution. It's on the prosecution to bring
forward witnesses that are going to be able to withstand
cross examination and whose stories aren't going to be decimated.
And for the most part, that's what happened, right. I
think that the survivors as a whole gave great testimony.
My issue is the prosecution had a lot more bullets
in their chambers, if you will, and they didn't use them.
It's like going a halftime with three timeouts and not
using any of them in a football game. It's ridiculous.
There were so many other girls and women who were
victimized by Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell, and this is
the best they could come up with. Huh. I wish
they would have had this kind of piss poor performance
as the federal government when they were going after my
loved ones. On Monday, jurors signaled their intention to studiously
consider the evidence. They requested multi colored post it notes,
various colors of highlighters, and a white paper bored. They
also requested transcript of testimony by Matt, the ex boyfriend
of Jane, who backed up parts of her account. And again,
what that does It corroborates Jane's story, and what the
jury is trying to figure out my guess is is
if the stories are true or not. So to do that,
they have to be able to corroborate what Jane said,
and with the transcript testimony that Matt has provided, that's
a good way for them to go about that. Matt
testified that Jane called Epstein her godfather and blew up
when asked about the money the late sex offender gave her.
He recalled her saying the money wasn't fucking free. And look,
you know what that means, right, It ain't free to dance.
Jeffrey Epstein isn't just gonna hand out money, Glenn Maxwell
isn't just showing up and handing out money out of
the kindness of their heart. That money was earned through
disgusting means, right, Jeffrey Epstein abused them and then gave
them that money, because that's the cover. That's really what
it comes down to.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: The reason any money was exchanged at all is so
Epstein and Maxwell would have this veried defense if they
ever got busted, and it's fucking pathetic that it still works.
Minutes after requesting Matt's testimony, jurors also asked to scrutinize
the account of yet another witness, Gregory Parkinson, a retired
police officer, who told the jury about the October twentieth,
two thousand and five search of Epstein's Palm Beach residence.
And again, while it's all fine and well that the
Palm Beach residence was searched, rated the New York place
was raided Virgin Islands was raided. How come Zoro Ranch
was never raided? Anyone? Bueller, anyone in the back. Maybe, Oh,
that's right. Nobody has any answers for that question. Nobody
has any answers for that question. I know there's been
some talk that oh Ria Zoro Rancho actually was rated,
but nobody knows about it. Yeah, okay, sure that's a
lie to Zora Ranch was never rated.
Speaker 2: Ever.
Speaker 1: Parkinson also went to the same house some two years earlier,
in two thousand and three, after Epstein reported a burglary.
UNLESSI whose testimony jurors have before them, acknowledged that he
stole money from his old boss that year. Maxwell's defense
team has used that admission to undermine the credibility of
his damaging testimony that he remembered Jane from the period
where she was allegedly abused strikingly beautiful girl. Unless he
said of Jane. So what they try to do is
make his credibility shot right. Well, he has an axe
to grind. He was stealing from Epstein. He got in trouble.
That's why he's coming back to say this, because he
is one of those guys with a chip on his shoulder.
And he's gonna get his just desserts. Now, that's what
they're trying to Setjuana Lessie up. As And while I'm
not a fan of Juana Lessi, as you all know,
I think he was an enabler, let's be very honest
and very real. I also believe that his testimony is
damning when it comes to what he says about Maxwell.
Alessi told the Jerry that she was one of two
girls that he thought looked underage. The other was Virginia Roberts,
whose civil lawsuit against Maxwell helped spark her criminal prosecution. Now,
remember it's in that deposition that Maxwell allegedly lied, and
she's also gonna face those perjury charges after this as well.
She looked young, she had blonde hair, and she had
a long white uniform like a nurse's uniform, a Lessi
said of Roberts. Roberts was not called by the prosecution
or the defense as a witness. Again, that should tell
you everything you need to know right there. How is
Virginia Roberts, of all people, not brought up here to
talk about what she knows about what she says occurred.
It makes the prosecution look ridiculous. On Monday, jurors sought
an additional legal instruction the definition of enticement, a word
found in the two of the six charges in Maxwell's indictment.
Variations of the word appear some twenty one times throughout
the document. Judge Nathan informed them that one definition appears
in their jury charge, saying the words have their ordinary,
everyday meanings. She also told the jurors, I will then
say further, entice means to attract, induce, or lure using
hope or desire. Well, pretty obvious that that's what Maxwell
was doing, isn't it movie trips, buying them boots. Uh,
we're gonna pay for your schooling, all of that. That's
all enticement in the hopes to groom. And it's crazy
to me that it's taking this long for the jury
to figure that out, or that they even need the
judge to give them a better idea of what the
word entice means. Just before deliberations closed on Monday, jurors
returned a note suggesting confusion about the fourth count, accusing
Maxwell of transporting Jane with the intent to engage in
a legal sexual activity. Jurors asked whether they could convict
on that count if they found Maxwell aided in Jane's
return flight from New Mexico but not to that state.
The note operated under multiple false premises. The relevant element
of the council of the count concerns a violation of
of New York not New Mexico law. Clearly, they're making
an error as to which state begins with New Maxwell's attorney,
Bobby stern Em quipped there is also no evidence in
the record concerning Jane's return flights from New Mexico. Sternham's
co council Christian Everdell, noted, so looks like a bit
of contention there with the defense and the jury, little
interesting tidbit and perhaps something that is going to.
Speaker 2: Bear fruit later on, if you will.
Speaker 1: Though the defense wanted to answer the questions as a
simple no, Judge Nathan found the note to murky legally
and factually. To give a conclusive answer, She told the
jurors to revisit the eighty pages of instructions she provided
them before their deliberations began. As another full day of
deliberations came and went without a verdict, Judge Nathan also
told jurors they would start defaulting to longer days jurors
have typically adjourned deliberate adjourned deliberations at five pm. So look,
if they don't get their shit together right, get their
asses in gear if you will, then they're gonna have
to stay a little bit later. Nobody wants to stay late.
Nobody's trying to put in over to when the clock
ain't running. So hopefully that gives them the motivation they
need to get things moving here. But really, all kidding aside,
I want them to take as much time as necessary
for them to come to a proper verdict. I don't
want no bs Aglayne Maxwell trying to get off here
on technicalities or any kind of other nonsense. Over the
defense's objections, Judge Nathan asked them to stay an hour longer.
Maxwell and their lawyers shook their heads as the judge
said she had discretion to set deliberation times over defense
assertions that this would pressure the jury toward a verdict.
Responding to this concern, Nathan told the jurors they should
take all the time they need. Deliberations will continue on
Tuesday morning. So that's where we're at, folks. Nothing really new,
Nothing has changed as far as you know, gigantic momentum
pieces here, we're still in a holding pattern as the
jurors can continue to hammer this out.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I wish I had a little bit more clarity to
offer you about what's going on in that jurors room,
but unfortunately myself or anyone else who is not in there,
they have nothing to offer as far as that goes.
So we'll continue to keep an eye on things, will
continue to follow what's going on as best we can
inside of that jurors room. And one thing you can
definitely be certain of when there is a verdict, we
will definitely have it here on the podcast. So we're
gonna wrap it up for tonight, folks, and as usual,
I'll be back tomorrow morning with our morning update and
all of the context episodes as well. I hope that
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