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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.

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I hope that all of you had a great Christmas break,

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and I hope that you got to spend the time

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that you had off, hopefully with the people who matter

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the most to you. Me I was able to do

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just that. I got to hang out with my amazing girlfriend,

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my parents, my family. It was a very nice and

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relaxing time.

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Speaker 2: All the way around.

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Speaker 1: But if you folks know me by now, you already

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know that I was busy at work at the same time.

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I don't really take days off, folks, And I've been

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working on a new podcast that's going to be coming

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out very soon, and this podcast is going to be

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based on the new HBO show House of the Dragon.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I've been talking about this Game of Thrones podcast for

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a very long time. For those of you who have

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been listening to the other Jeffrey Epstein show, you know this,

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But it's starting to all come into view now, and

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I've been working on it for quite some time, and

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I'm really pumped to change paces here and talk about

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something that's not obviously anywhere near as heavy as the

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topic we're discussing on a regular basis, meaning Epstein and Maxwell.

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So this House of the Dragon podcast that I've been

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working on, it's gonna be real fun. We're gonna dive

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into the Targarians from the very beginning. We're gonna talk

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about a lot of the shall we say, secondary characters,

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and we're gonna talk about a lot of the issues

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that we're going to see in the story on HBO.

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Speaker 2: But for those of you who.

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Speaker 1: Are not familiar with this part of the Game of

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Thrones lore, if you will, man, you're really going to

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be in for a treat. It's an absolutely epic time

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as far as that story goes, and the battle between

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the target for supremacy of the Targarian dynasty is by

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far one of George R. R. Martin's greatest works. So

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I'm very excited to dive into that, you know, get

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to talking about Damon Targarian and the rest of them,

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and really, you know, jump into a topic that is

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nowhere near her as heavy as what we've been discussing

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now for three years. Obviously, I also have my Beyond

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the Horizon podcast, and over there we're going to continue

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to be talking about the news and you know, daily

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strife in the world, and all of that stuff as well.

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But I'm pumped up about this Game of Thrones podcast

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that I'm getting ready to launch, and I think a

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lot of you out there who listen to this podcast

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will really like that as well, considering I know a

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ton of you have sent me emails about Game of Thrones,

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so get ready for that. It's coming up within the

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next month or so. I'll have a lot more information

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about the actual release, but the plan is to release

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like four or five episodes right away so that we're

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often running and ready to go. So that's what I

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have planned coming up for the new year for you folks.

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And a couple of other projects as well that I've

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started to work on with a couple of associates and

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colleagues that are pretty interesting as well. So plenty of

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stuff coming up in the new year. And obviously we

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still have a lot to unpack as far as Epstein,

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Maxwell and their associates. So we're not going to just

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forget about these people either. This discussion is going to continue.

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These people need to be brought to account, they need

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to be held to account, and they certainly need to

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be brought to justice. So today, hopefully we get a

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step in that direction, right. The jury is deliberate now

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for another full day, and I would think that we're

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getting close to verdict time, folks. So with that said,

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why don't we dive in today to today's topic and

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discuss what's going on as we speak in the courtroom

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as the jury deliberates. Now, Glen Maxwell got to spend

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her sixtieth birthday in jail on Christmas Day, and I

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for one am not even upset about it. This lady.

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If anybody who has ever earned whatever kind of disgusting

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Christmas dinner they serve up at jail, it is Glen Maxwell.

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character is gross and disgusting. And if you believe what

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and I do, she's a lot worse than even that.

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So we've been through three weeks now of trial. We've

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had testimony, we've had witness statements, we've had closing arguments,

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and now we just wait for the jury to deliberate.

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guess that will get close to a verdict very very soon,

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maybe even today. You know, the jury's coming back. They

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and recharged and ready to go, you would think. So

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my guess is that today or tomorrow will be verdict time.

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was going to go out for a little while today

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and head up to the mountains do some climbing, but

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a gut feeling that we might get some movement here.

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Speaker 2: So we have to wait.

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but it's just one of those gut feelings. And I

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think that after having their little vacation here, their little

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three day break, four day break that the jury had,

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that they're going to be motivated to get things moving

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in the proper direction here and get this show on

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Trying to read the tea leaves about what the jury

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thinks or what they're up to, that's way above my

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pay grade. I have no idea as far as making

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an educated guess or an assumption about what they're up to.

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really followed court cases.

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Speaker 2: Like this before.

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Speaker 1: This is all new to me. I'm certainly not a

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court reporter or somebody who's interested in the nuance of

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what goes on in the courtroom for the most part.

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so I would think that and again just my gut

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that we're going to see a verdict either today or tomorrow.

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So getting down to it, folks, verdict watch is certainly on,

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and Glane Maxwell is looking like she's gonna find out

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her fate very very soon. With that said, let's jump

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into an article from CNN and let's get us prepared

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for the day headline Jurors and Galline Maxwell's sex trafficking

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trial returned to resume deliberations, authored by Lauren de Valley

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and Eric Levinson over at CNN, And surprisingly enough, CNN

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has done a pretty good job on the day to

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day coverage of this as far as you know, updates

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on the deliberation process and where things are at throughout

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the day, CNN has actually done a pretty damn good job.

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you know, the finer points of political tribalism, so they

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don't have the time to report on stories such as

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this in the proper manner. But this time around, looks

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like they're actually giving it a little bit of attention

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and pretty shocking, honestly coming from CNN. All right, so

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let's see. After taking a long weekend for the Christmas holiday,

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jurors and Glen Maxwell's federal sex trafficking trial are set

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to resume deliberations Monday morning in New York. Maxwell, the

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former girlfriend, co conspirator, general all around scuzbag, fellow child

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abuser you mean, and longtime associate of the late sex

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offender pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, has pleaded not guilty to six

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federal accounts sex trafficking of a minor, enticing a miner

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to travel to engage in illegal sex acts, transporting a

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miner with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity,

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and three related counts of conspiracy. If convicted on all

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six counts, Maxwell faces up to seventy years in prison.

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if she gets convicted. In my opinion, look these are

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the kind of charges. These are the kind of crimes,

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crimes against children, crimes against the most vulnerable, that I

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think should have the heaviest of penalties. There should be

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no wiggling off the hook when you're abusing the most

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vulnerable amongst us. If you're abusing children, no kind of deal,

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no kind of plea, nothing directly underneath the prison after

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your trial, after your conviction, and you never see the

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light of day again because you can't be rehabilitated. There's

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no fixing you. If you're somebody like Jeffrey Epstein, if

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you're somebody like Glenn Maxwell, you were born fucked up. Okay,

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you're a lemon. You came off the line screwed up,

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and there is no fixing that. So I don't even

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like this. Convict them and put them underneath the prison

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and forget about them. Jurors deliberated for about an hour

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on Monday, and then all of Tuesday and Wednesday. At

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the end of Wednesday's deliberations, the judge asked if they

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would consider returning Thursday, but they declined. You know, the

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jurors were like, look, I got a prime rib to cook.

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I got all kinds of fixings to make. I got

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family coming over. I can't be sitting around here in

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this courtroom dicking around with you during my Christmas holiday.

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Speaker 2: It's basically what the jurors told the judge.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, the more I think about it,

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the more I don't blame them. If they wanted them

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to work through the holiday, they should have stipulated that, Hey, look,

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you're gonna have to work through the holiday. Maybe that

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wasn't stipulated. These people made plans or whatever with their families,

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this trial in the first place. Why said it up

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right around the holidays? What's the point in doing that?

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right after Thanksgiving and right before Christmas. Yeah, great idea.

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excuse me? From the women whose claims form the core

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of the case against Maxwell. First, jurors asked the judge

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for the transcripts of testimony from Annie Farmer, Carolyn and Jane,

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three of the four women who testified that they were

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sexually abused by Epstein, and that Maxwell facilitated and sometimes

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participated in the abuse. So the jurors are trying to,

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you know, get all the stories straight, right. They want

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to make sure that they have all of the pertinent

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information so that they come up with the right decision,

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at least the best decision that they're capable of coming

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up with. So I know that they're There was a

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lot of reading of the tea leaves when it came

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to these juror notes and all of that stuff. But again,

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of backroom deals to really dive in and speculate and

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that like, I have an idea what I'm talking about.

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who actually does know what he's talking about when it

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comes to this sort of thing. So you know that

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there's a motivation and reasoning behind the jury asking for

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this stuff. It's just trying to figure out exactly what

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they're up to. That's the hard part, right, And you

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would think that the jury, especially considering them not taking

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the judge up on the chance to deliberate on Thursday,

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you would think that they're going to take their time

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with this and go through it with a fine tooth comb.

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good app idea. Anytime there's a jury and they're looking

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at evidence in a case, they should be delivered. They

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should take their time. Jurors also asked for FBI notes

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from a two thousand and seven interview with Carolyn that

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the defenses said is inconsistent with their testimony in court.

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were read into the record during her cross examination. So

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the three h two proffers, they're not evidence, so they

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weren't put in as evidence, right so they couldn't obviously

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while that is evidence now, so they can go back

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for the purposes of being trafficked, and that gives the

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prosecutors another route for conviction here. The deliberations cap a

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three week trial highlighted by testimony from four women who

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said Maxwell recruited and groomed them to be sexually abused

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by Epstein. The abuse allegedly began when they were younger

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than eighteen, and their accusation stretched from nineteen ninety four

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I'm going to keep driving that point home in case

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there's new listeners or people who might have forgot okay,

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a lot longer than the ten year period, folks. Jeffrey Epstein,

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according to reports, was active all the way up until

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his second arrest. So put that in your pipe and

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smoke it for a little while. And the most terrifying

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thing of all of this is Jeffrey Epstein was just

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the tip of the Iceberg. How many more Jeffrey Epstein's

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and Glenn Maxwells are still out there. Epstein, an elusive

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financier who pleaded guilty in two thousand and eight the

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state prostitution charges, was indicted on federal sex trafficking charges

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in July twenty nineteen. He died by suicide, allegedly in

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prison jail a month later. Maxwell, now sixty, was arrested

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in twenty twenty and has been held behind bars since

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the since under close watch. So remember, Jeffrey Epstein wasn't

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in prison when he died, Okay, he was in jail

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and lock up, and obviously it's different minor issue, but

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it wasn't prison jail, and they say that he was.

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He committed suicide in there. I say allegedly because at

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the end of the day, we don't know, We have

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no information about what happened in that jail cell. They

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have not been very transparent at all, and the people

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that act like they know for sure, one way or

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the other what went on in that jail cell, I

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would be very very cautious of the things they have

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to say to you, because guess what, none of us

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know what happened at the trial The prosecutor's case against

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Maxwell arrested primarily on four women with personal stories of

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her role facilitating Epstein's abuse. Jane, testifying under a pseudonym,

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said Maxwell organized sexual massages with Epstein and sometimes joined

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in the abuse. The charges of enticing and transporting relate

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to testimony solely from her. So each one of these

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girls had a story to tell, right, Each one of

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these ladies, now, I should say, had their own story

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to tell about the abuse that they suffered at the

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hands of Maxwell and at Epstein. And it was very

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powerful the testimony that they brought forward. Obviously, it comes

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down to credibility. Do you believe their story or don't you?

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Do you believe that Maxwell's team did a good enough

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job to punch holes in their credibility. That's really what

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it comes down to. Right for me, I don't see

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the defense as doing a good enough job with that,

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a good enough job to make me say, ah, yeah, wow,

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I've had this all wrong. This is nothing but a

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money grab. I have not seen anything at all that

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points me in that direction. All I see is a

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bunch of guilty ass so called elite who are still

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being protected by the system by their friends. Carolyn testified

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that when she was fourteen, Maxwell touched her breasts, hips,

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and butt and told her she had a great body

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for Epstein and his friends. The child sex trafficking count,

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the most serious of all the charges, relates to her testimony.

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And think about that for a minute. That is a

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very strong and very powerful charge. But it's only the

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one when we know that there were so many more,

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and it just sticks in my craw Folks, it makes

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me want to vomit. Honestly, definitely not digestible, that's for

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damn sure. I can't digest the fact that these people

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got away with this for this long and how many

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times we have to hear about Epstein and his friends,

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but none of his friends are ever brought up on charges.

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None of his friends are ever caught up in This

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makes you wonder, doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: Flip the script, what if it was you or your

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friends and you were engaged in some kind of criminal conspiracy.

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You think that you would have been able to get

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away for it for decades? I highly doubt it. Kay

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testified Maxwell invited her over and directed her how to

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give Epstein a sexual massage. She said Maxwell spoke often

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of sexual topics with her and asked Kay to invite

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other young girls for Epstein's sexual desires. So it chose

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you right there. What Maxwell was up to, grooming, trying

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to get these girls, to get other girls involved. And

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then what Maxwell would say is, well, I didn't recruit

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these girls. The other girl did. I had nothing to

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do with it. And it's so transparent to me. The

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fact that they were engaging in this is so transparent.

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And then to have the audacity the balls to try

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and call Virginia a trafficker. I take great umbrage to that,

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great umbrage to that. Virginia was a little girl who

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was groomed, a little girl who was brought into the

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clutches of these scumbags, and then Maxwell and Epstein not

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only abuse her, but then have the audacity to try

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and pin the whole thing on people like her. Oh,

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she was the one who was bringing other girls. Fu

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can break Man Farmer, the only accuser to testify by

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her full name, testified that she was sixteen when Maxwell

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massaged her naked chest at Epstein's New Mexico ranch in

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nineteen ninety six. Prosecutors sought to closely link Maxwell and

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Epstein and set her actions. Normalizing sexual massages were crucial

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to his international abuse scheme at his properties in New York, Florida,

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New Mexico, and the US Virgin Islands. A single, middle

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aged man who invites a teenage girl to visit this ranch,

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to come to his house to fly to New York

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is creepy, Prosecutor Alison Most said in closing arguments. But

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when that man is accompanied by a posh, smiling, respectable,

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age appropriate woman, then that's when everything seems to be legitimate.

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And I agree, I mean, it definitely helps normalize things

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to have someone like Glenn Maxwell show up as opposed

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to just egg dick himself. Imagine you're some little girl

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and you show up and egg Dick Epstein's there and

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his stupid ass mom jeans wearing a pair of New

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Balance or whatever the hell he's wearing on his feet

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that day, goofy pair of slippers. No wonder you need

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Maxwell there to help soften the blow, literally showing up

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and fucking Nosferatus waiting for you. So miss me with

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all of the Galaine, had no idea what was going on. Shit,

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I'm so tired of it. And when that woman encourages

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those girls to massage that man, and then she acts

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like it's totally normal for the man to touch those girls.

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It lures them into a trap. It allows the man

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to silence the alarm bells. The defense meanwhile, it focused

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its case on lengthy cross examinations of the four accusers

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and detack their motivations and memories of the alleged incidents.

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Maxwell declined to testify in her own defense. Yeah, no shit,

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talk about getting goosed. She would show up on that

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stand and it.

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Speaker 2: Would be a rap.

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Speaker 1: For those of you who are familiar with the author

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Joe aber Crombie and his works, I would have San

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Dan Glocta Old Styx himself do this interrogation because let

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me tell you what, Glene Maxwell is not built for

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this life. I've said it from Jump Street. You put

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her in a room with a real investigator, a real interrogator,

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and she's looking at one hundred and fifty two hundred

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years and the federal government really has motivation to go

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after people. Maxwell would be singing like a little bird

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Canary City Baby, But the government doesn't have the backbone

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for it. The government doesn't want to go after all

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the Jeffrey Epstein's friends. They'd rather let them run around

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than continue on their path of deviant behavior. In closing arguments,

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attorney Laura Meninger sought to distance Maxwell from Epstein and

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suggested he had manipulated her as well. She said the

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prosecution's case is based on and distracting photos of Maxwell

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with Epstein, including several that show are giving him a

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foot massage. She's being tried here for being with Jeffrey Epstein,

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and maybe that was the biggest mistake of her life.

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But it was not a crime, Manager told the jury, No,

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not at all. No crimes were committed here. Glenn Maxwell,

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upstanding citizen folks. You guys got it all wrong. We've

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been missing the boat the whole time. Maxwell is just

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obviously another victim of Jeffrey Epstein's She's not educated, she's

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not smart, she's not somebody that knows what's what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Really, is that really.

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Speaker 1: What you want us to believe, Laura Meninger, because nobody's

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buying that shit. Stop regifting us the same kind of

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nonsense we hear in every other case. It's bullshit, it's garbage,

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and honestly it falls on deaf ears with most people. Now,

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that doesn't really mean anything at the end of the day, though,

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does it What we think, what anybody else thinks. All

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that matters is what that jury thinks and what decision

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they come up with in the next few days. So

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we'll be here continuing to wait for the verdict following

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what occurs on a daily basis as far as inside

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of this courtroom, and when that verdict is announced, I

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will be here to talk about it with all of you.

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So with that said, folks, we're gonna wrap up this

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morning's edition and get prepared.

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Speaker 2: For the day.

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Speaker 1: So I hope that all of you have a great

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day out there, and yeah, I'll be back later on

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for sure, and we will pick this up where we

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left off so throughout the day, obviously more context episodes

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come in your way and all of that other good

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stuff that you've come to expect. All right, everybody, I

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will talk to you all later. If you'd like to

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contact me, you can do that at Bobby Kapuci at

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protonmeil dot com. That's Bobby cap Eucci at ProtonMail dot com.

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You can also find me on Twitter at bo bbuy

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Underscore cap Ucci. The link that we discussed can be

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found in the description box. What's up everyone, and welcome

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back to the Epstein Chronicles. Well, folks, another day has

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come and another day has gone, and the jury still

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has not made its decision. Today, jurors asked for more

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information as they continue to pour over the evidence as

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they try and figure out if Glen Maxwell as guilty

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as charged.

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Speaker 2: Now, we know that we had a little bit of

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a break due to.

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Speaker 1: The Christmas holiday, there's been some hiccups in the scheduling

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for this whole entire thing. But you would have to

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think that we're getting down to the nitty gritty at

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this point, and that the jurors, armed with all the

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information previously all of this new information they have requested,

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are going to come to a decision one way or

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the other very soon. Now, again, I'm not in that

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juror's room. I really have no idea what they're thinking,

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or what the issues are, or if there are some roadblocks,

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or if there's a holdout, whatever it may be, or

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if they're just being extra cautious and extra surgical with

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the way they go about things one way or the other. However,

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we're going to find out very soon and we're going

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to get a verdict in this case. Now, the question

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is when is that going to occur. Now, the longer

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it goes, the more questions you start asking yourself about

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the prosecution's case. Did they do a good enough job

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to sell it to the jury. If they did, why

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is the jury taking so long? And then you start

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diving into the uh end of the pool. That is

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purely speculation, But at this point, as we're waiting for

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the jurors to come back with their decision, it's kind

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of hard not to speculate or to let your mind

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wander a little bit, right And I know me personally anyway,

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and I have no uh, you know, evidence or anything

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of this, but for me personally, it feels like the

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longer it goes, the better it is for the defense.

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You would think that with the evidence presented and if

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the prosecution served it up cut and dry, that the

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jury would already be you know, rendered a decision and

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be moving on. But that's certainly not the case here,

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and there's obviously something that's going on in that jurors

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room that's causing them to take a little bit more time.

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So with that said, we have an article tonight from

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Law and Crime and Adam Klass and let's try and

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get some clarity about what's going on here and what

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to expect or what the jurors are doing inside of

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that jurors room headline Jurors weighing fate of Glene Maxwell

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scrutinize reams of evidence as deliberations stretch into the second week.

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And if you would have asked me before all of

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this broke, before the story started, the trial all of that,

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if it would take this long for jurors to deliberate,

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I would say, no way. There is so much evidence

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here that it's hard for me to wrap my mind

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around the fact that it's taking the jurors this long

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to deliberate. But then you look at the prosecution and

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the small scope of their case and the fact that, look,

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if you're a jur and you're hearing that there's going

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to be three weeks of witnesses and then you only

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get two, you have to be questioning it right off

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the bat, right, Why are they only providing this many witnesses?

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Is after saying we're gonna have this many witnesses, you know,

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you add that to some of the other things that

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have gone on with the prosecution and the way that

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the defense has been able to chip away at the

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credibility of some of the testimony. And I guess you

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could see why the jury is having a little bit

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of a difficult time here if you're looking at it

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00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,079
from a completely unbiased viewpoint. But when you know everything

479
00:29:28,119 --> 00:29:30,799
that we know and you've had a look behind the curtain,

480
00:29:31,319 --> 00:29:34,839
it's hard as hell to swallow the fact that we're

481
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:39,880
even at this point. This lady should have been convicted

482
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,640
last week. In my opinion, Like I said, this article

483
00:29:44,759 --> 00:29:48,960
was authored by Adam Klassfeld. Jurors in the case of

484
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:53,640
accused Jeffrey Epstein accomplice a co conspirator general around scusbag

485
00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:58,720
fellow child abuser Glenn Maxwell, continue to examine reams of

486
00:29:58,759 --> 00:30:02,519
evidence with out reaching a verdict. On Monday, the fourth

487
00:30:02,599 --> 00:30:06,720
day of the liberations and the first following the holiday recess.

488
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,359
So you'd have to think the jurors came back all

489
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,759
recharged and ready to go after a nice holiday break

490
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,759
a few days before the Christmas Day, few days after

491
00:30:16,839 --> 00:30:20,759
Christmas Day, you know, some food whatever it is, now

492
00:30:20,839 --> 00:30:24,000
back ready to go. So I would hope with all

493
00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:28,200
of this new found energy that they have that tomorrow

494
00:30:28,319 --> 00:30:30,880
is the day, right. I said this morning that I

495
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,400
was hoping that it would be today or tomorrow, and

496
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,160
I'm still holding out hope that tomorrow is the day

497
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:39,519
that we finally get over the hump here and get

498
00:30:39,519 --> 00:30:43,839
this verdict locked in. I'm pretty sure that you folks

499
00:30:43,839 --> 00:30:46,119
are all tired of hearing my fat yep talking about

500
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,480
talk about Glen Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein at this point, right,

501
00:30:50,079 --> 00:30:55,559
I mean, can we get this conviction already, please? Maxwell,

502
00:30:55,559 --> 00:30:58,559
who was born on Christmas, turned sixty years old over

503
00:30:58,599 --> 00:31:01,839
the break and she spent both events behind bars inside

504
00:31:01,839 --> 00:31:06,359
Brooklyn's Metropolitan Detention Center, where she has spent her pre

505
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,319
trial detention. Ah, poor Gallayn Maxwell had to spend her

506
00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:15,720
birthday in Christmas in lock up. I mean, who cares?

507
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:22,319
Whose heartstrings is that tugging on? Especially considering when you

508
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:25,039
know how bad a lot of other people have it

509
00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:27,440
in prison, and have had it in prison for a

510
00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:31,039
very long time. The system's broken. The Department of Justice

511
00:31:31,119 --> 00:31:34,000
is trash, The Bureau of Prisons is a dumpster fire.

512
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:38,359
We all know that we're supposed to feel bad because

513
00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:44,000
Glene Maxwell has to spend her birthday and Christmas in jail. Yeah,

514
00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:46,960
how about all of the people rotting away right now

515
00:31:47,119 --> 00:31:50,319
who can't pay two grand an hour for lawyers, or

516
00:31:50,319 --> 00:31:52,960
who have never gotten a trial, or who have gotten

517
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,920
a hearing and then gotten it pushed back over and

518
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,680
over and over again. What about those people? Those are

519
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:05,039
the people I feel bad for, not Gleanne Maxwell. The

520
00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:08,359
first week of deliberations, cut short because of the holidays,

521
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,759
adjourned after two full days plus some forty five minutes

522
00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:17,480
following closing arguments without a verdict. Jerors kept busy throughout

523
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:22,279
that time requesting transcripts of testimony from Maxwell's alleged survivor.

524
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:27,559
Survivors Jane, who testified under a pseudonym, Carolyn, who took

525
00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:30,920
the stand only using her first name, and Nanny Farmer,

526
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,119
the only accuser to testify under her full and true name.

527
00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:38,160
You know, I've heard some people talk about the fact

528
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:43,440
that some of these girls testified in an anonymous way.

529
00:32:43,839 --> 00:32:47,920
My response to that is, would you really want to

530
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,240
have your name dragged through the mud through the media

531
00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:51,759
the way some of these people do it?

532
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: These muckrakers out.

533
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: There, And if you think that Glainne Maxwell and her

534
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,839
team don't have people at their disposal to do that

535
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:07,119
exact thing. You're very wrong. Just take a look at

536
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:12,640
how Christian Everdell docked the survivors in court. They don't

537
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,119
care about anything, any of that stuff, and if it

538
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,480
helps their case, what do you think they're going to

539
00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:23,160
stop people from trying to discredit the survivors or drag

540
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,799
their names through the mud. You know it's going to happen.

541
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,480
It's the tried and true tactic of these people. It's

542
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:32,640
the way that they conduct themselves when they're trying to

543
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,000
defend their big, so called hot shot clients. Every single

544
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:40,160
time one of their so called hot shot clients gets

545
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,920
handsy with some young lady, and you know, it's just

546
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,319
par for the course for these people. How many of

547
00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:49,200
these rich people, these uber rich, i should say, the

548
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:53,119
so called elite, are engaging in this behavior. And then

549
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:55,640
when all is said and done, they have them sign

550
00:33:56,039 --> 00:33:59,480
a non disclosure agreement where they can't even discuss the

551
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,240
fact that they were abused by one of these modern

552
00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:06,599
day robber barons. And it goes on and on and

553
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:11,800
on and on. The wheel continues to spin, and the

554
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,119
children of never continue to be abused by the the

555
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:22,639
scumbag men of always. Later that week, the jury requested

556
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:26,760
transcript of testimony by Epstein's ex house manager, Juana Lessi

557
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:30,639
and the final accuser, Kate, not her real name, as

558
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,440
Kate was above the age of consent and the relevant jurisdictions.

559
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,519
US District Judge Alison Nathan instructed the jury that she

560
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:41,679
is not an alleged victim, but they could consider her

561
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,800
testimony if they find it relevant to the issues before them.

562
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,760
And again, it just another thing about the prosecution. Why

563
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,440
even bring her forward and say you're going to have

564
00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:56,320
four survivors giving testimony when you really only have three.

565
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,239
You got to think about it from the jury's point

566
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,960
of view, and the jury they're impaneled to be fair

567
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,599
as fair as possible right with the information that's provided

568
00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:10,079
to them. And if the prosecution is lacking and they're

569
00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:13,000
not providing all of the information or they're doing a

570
00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:16,280
piss poor job. I'm looking at you, Maureen Komi, then

571
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,199
you have these sorts of issues that pop up where

572
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,639
a good defense team is going to latch onto that

573
00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:24,519
and try and harness that to the best of their

574
00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:28,960
ability to get their client off. And that's what I

575
00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:31,960
was afraid of. The whole entire time that we've discussed this,

576
00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:35,960
that the prosecution was going to get rear a railroaded

577
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:42,000
by the defense again, and these high profile lawyers were

578
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,519
going to just have a field day with a weaker

579
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:49,880
prosecution team. And in a few instances we've certainly seen

580
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,760
that take place. Now, it wasn't as widespread as I

581
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,000
was scared it was going to be, but there were

582
00:35:57,039 --> 00:36:00,239
several instances where you could tell that the defense was

583
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:09,239
simply overwhelming the prosecution. Scrutinizing both the prosecution and the

584
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,719
defense cases, jurors asked Judge Nathan during the first week

585
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,519
of deliberations to clarify whether Farmer's testimony could be considered

586
00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:21,159
for two of the conspiracy counts against Maxwell. At the time,

587
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,800
Nathan informed them the answer is yes, you may consider it.

588
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:29,719
And again going into that, that's about the transportation aspect,

589
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:35,840
so Annie being transported to New Mexico is what they're

590
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,039
looking at here and what they're going to try and

591
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:43,320
pursue as far as criminal charges against Maxwell. Once again,

592
00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:46,960
I'm all for it, but that's the best you guys

593
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:52,559
can come up with. All this time, all these years,

594
00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:56,920
all these resources, and this is the best foot forward

595
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:04,199
from the federal government. Huh, pretty crazy to think how

596
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,360
hard they go after people like say El Choppo. And

597
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:08,920
while I'm not going to sit here and tell you

598
00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:12,480
El Choppo's a good man, he is not. Don't you

599
00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:15,519
think the same sort of zeal should be shown when

600
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:20,000
going after people like Glenn Maxwell, the same sort of effort,

601
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:26,480
the same sort of resources. During the first week, the

602
00:37:26,599 --> 00:37:29,599
jury also asked for notes from the FBI's two thousand

603
00:37:29,639 --> 00:37:32,719
and seven interview with Carolyn, but those records were not

604
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,559
in evidence. Experts note that the request, however, could show

605
00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:40,480
at least one juror is taking the defense's central claims seriously,

606
00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:45,639
the proposition that Maxwell's alleged victims changed their stories before

607
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,519
taking the witness stand, and this is another piss poorer

608
00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:53,599
performance by the prosecution. It's on the prosecution to bring

609
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,519
forward witnesses that are going to be able to withstand

610
00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:04,559
cross examination and whose stories aren't going to be decimated.

611
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:07,840
And for the most part, that's what happened, right. I

612
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,159
think that the survivors as a whole gave great testimony.

613
00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:16,400
My issue is the prosecution had a lot more bullets

614
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,559
in their chambers, if you will, and they didn't use them.

615
00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:22,679
It's like going a halftime with three timeouts and not

616
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,960
using any of them in a football game. It's ridiculous.

617
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,440
There were so many other girls and women who were

618
00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:34,599
victimized by Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell, and this is

619
00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:38,360
the best they could come up with. Huh. I wish

620
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,000
they would have had this kind of piss poor performance

621
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,159
as the federal government when they were going after my

622
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:52,960
loved ones. On Monday, jurors signaled their intention to studiously

623
00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:57,119
consider the evidence. They requested multi colored post it notes,

624
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,199
various colors of highlighters, and a white paper bored. They

625
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,239
also requested transcript of testimony by Matt, the ex boyfriend

626
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,639
of Jane, who backed up parts of her account. And again,

627
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,480
what that does It corroborates Jane's story, and what the

628
00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:16,159
jury is trying to figure out my guess is is

629
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,400
if the stories are true or not. So to do that,

630
00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:23,039
they have to be able to corroborate what Jane said,

631
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,159
and with the transcript testimony that Matt has provided, that's

632
00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:31,519
a good way for them to go about that. Matt

633
00:39:31,559 --> 00:39:35,159
testified that Jane called Epstein her godfather and blew up

634
00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:38,280
when asked about the money the late sex offender gave her.

635
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,760
He recalled her saying the money wasn't fucking free. And look,

636
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,760
you know what that means, right, It ain't free to dance.

637
00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:50,960
Jeffrey Epstein isn't just gonna hand out money, Glenn Maxwell

638
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,199
isn't just showing up and handing out money out of

639
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:57,280
the kindness of their heart. That money was earned through

640
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,920
disgusting means, right, Jeffrey Epstein abused them and then gave

641
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,239
them that money, because that's the cover. That's really what

642
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:07,039
it comes down to.

643
00:40:07,159 --> 00:40:07,559
Speaker 2: Okay.

644
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,519
Speaker 1: The reason any money was exchanged at all is so

645
00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:13,480
Epstein and Maxwell would have this veried defense if they

646
00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:17,400
ever got busted, and it's fucking pathetic that it still works.

647
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:24,039
Minutes after requesting Matt's testimony, jurors also asked to scrutinize

648
00:40:24,039 --> 00:40:27,960
the account of yet another witness, Gregory Parkinson, a retired

649
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,199
police officer, who told the jury about the October twentieth,

650
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,719
two thousand and five search of Epstein's Palm Beach residence.

651
00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:38,840
And again, while it's all fine and well that the

652
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,639
Palm Beach residence was searched, rated the New York place

653
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,400
was raided Virgin Islands was raided. How come Zoro Ranch

654
00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:53,280
was never raided? Anyone? Bueller, anyone in the back. Maybe, Oh,

655
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,199
that's right. Nobody has any answers for that question. Nobody

656
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:01,000
has any answers for that question. I know there's been

657
00:41:01,039 --> 00:41:05,119
some talk that oh Ria Zoro Rancho actually was rated,

658
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:07,519
but nobody knows about it. Yeah, okay, sure that's a

659
00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:09,599
lie to Zora Ranch was never rated.

660
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:10,119
Speaker 2: Ever.

661
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: Parkinson also went to the same house some two years earlier,

662
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,719
in two thousand and three, after Epstein reported a burglary.

663
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:29,199
UNLESSI whose testimony jurors have before them, acknowledged that he

664
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,559
stole money from his old boss that year. Maxwell's defense

665
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:35,960
team has used that admission to undermine the credibility of

666
00:41:36,039 --> 00:41:39,440
his damaging testimony that he remembered Jane from the period

667
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,360
where she was allegedly abused strikingly beautiful girl. Unless he

668
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,000
said of Jane. So what they try to do is

669
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,360
make his credibility shot right. Well, he has an axe

670
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,559
to grind. He was stealing from Epstein. He got in trouble.

671
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,519
That's why he's coming back to say this, because he

672
00:41:56,679 --> 00:41:59,559
is one of those guys with a chip on his shoulder.

673
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,880
And he's gonna get his just desserts. Now, that's what

674
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,559
they're trying to Setjuana Lessie up. As And while I'm

675
00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:07,840
not a fan of Juana Lessi, as you all know,

676
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,039
I think he was an enabler, let's be very honest

677
00:42:11,039 --> 00:42:14,719
and very real. I also believe that his testimony is

678
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,760
damning when it comes to what he says about Maxwell.

679
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,320
Alessi told the Jerry that she was one of two

680
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,400
girls that he thought looked underage. The other was Virginia Roberts,

681
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:32,400
whose civil lawsuit against Maxwell helped spark her criminal prosecution. Now,

682
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:39,119
remember it's in that deposition that Maxwell allegedly lied, and

683
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,559
she's also gonna face those perjury charges after this as well.

684
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:47,679
She looked young, she had blonde hair, and she had

685
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,679
a long white uniform like a nurse's uniform, a Lessi

686
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,480
said of Roberts. Roberts was not called by the prosecution

687
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,039
or the defense as a witness. Again, that should tell

688
00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:00,360
you everything you need to know right there. How is

689
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:05,239
Virginia Roberts, of all people, not brought up here to

690
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,639
talk about what she knows about what she says occurred.

691
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:17,559
It makes the prosecution look ridiculous. On Monday, jurors sought

692
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:21,519
an additional legal instruction the definition of enticement, a word

693
00:43:21,559 --> 00:43:24,639
found in the two of the six charges in Maxwell's indictment.

694
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,480
Variations of the word appear some twenty one times throughout

695
00:43:28,519 --> 00:43:32,440
the document. Judge Nathan informed them that one definition appears

696
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,760
in their jury charge, saying the words have their ordinary,

697
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,480
everyday meanings. She also told the jurors, I will then

698
00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:44,320
say further, entice means to attract, induce, or lure using

699
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,199
hope or desire. Well, pretty obvious that that's what Maxwell

700
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:52,800
was doing, isn't it movie trips, buying them boots. Uh,

701
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,559
we're gonna pay for your schooling, all of that. That's

702
00:43:56,599 --> 00:44:04,480
all enticement in the hopes to groom. And it's crazy

703
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:07,119
to me that it's taking this long for the jury

704
00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:09,840
to figure that out, or that they even need the

705
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,480
judge to give them a better idea of what the

706
00:44:14,519 --> 00:44:20,800
word entice means. Just before deliberations closed on Monday, jurors

707
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,480
returned a note suggesting confusion about the fourth count, accusing

708
00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:27,960
Maxwell of transporting Jane with the intent to engage in

709
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,920
a legal sexual activity. Jurors asked whether they could convict

710
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,920
on that count if they found Maxwell aided in Jane's

711
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,119
return flight from New Mexico but not to that state.

712
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,440
The note operated under multiple false premises. The relevant element

713
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,679
of the council of the count concerns a violation of

714
00:44:46,679 --> 00:44:50,639
of New York not New Mexico law. Clearly, they're making

715
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an error as to which state begins with New Maxwell's attorney,

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Bobby stern Em quipped there is also no evidence in

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the record concerning Jane's return flights from New Mexico. Sternham's

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co council Christian Everdell, noted, so looks like a bit

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of contention there with the defense and the jury, little

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interesting tidbit and perhaps something that is going to.

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Speaker 2: Bear fruit later on, if you will.

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Speaker 1: Though the defense wanted to answer the questions as a

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simple no, Judge Nathan found the note to murky legally

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and factually. To give a conclusive answer, She told the

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jurors to revisit the eighty pages of instructions she provided

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them before their deliberations began. As another full day of

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deliberations came and went without a verdict, Judge Nathan also

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told jurors they would start defaulting to longer days jurors

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have typically adjourned deliberate adjourned deliberations at five pm. So look,

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if they don't get their shit together right, get their

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asses in gear if you will, then they're gonna have

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to stay a little bit later. Nobody wants to stay late.

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Nobody's trying to put in over to when the clock

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ain't running. So hopefully that gives them the motivation they

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need to get things moving here. But really, all kidding aside,

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I want them to take as much time as necessary

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for them to come to a proper verdict. I don't

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want no bs Aglayne Maxwell trying to get off here

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on technicalities or any kind of other nonsense. Over the

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defense's objections, Judge Nathan asked them to stay an hour longer.

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Maxwell and their lawyers shook their heads as the judge

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said she had discretion to set deliberation times over defense

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assertions that this would pressure the jury toward a verdict.

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Responding to this concern, Nathan told the jurors they should

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take all the time they need. Deliberations will continue on

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Tuesday morning. So that's where we're at, folks. Nothing really new,

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Nothing has changed as far as you know, gigantic momentum

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pieces here, we're still in a holding pattern as the

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jurors can continue to hammer this out.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I wish I had a little bit more clarity to

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offer you about what's going on in that jurors room,

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but unfortunately myself or anyone else who is not in there,

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they have nothing to offer as far as that goes.

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So we'll continue to keep an eye on things, will

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continue to follow what's going on as best we can

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inside of that jurors room. And one thing you can

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definitely be certain of when there is a verdict, we

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will definitely have it here on the podcast. So we're

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gonna wrap it up for tonight, folks, and as usual,

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I'll be back tomorrow morning with our morning update and

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all of the context episodes as well. I hope that

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all of you have a great night. If you'd like

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to contact me, you can do that at Bobby Kapucci

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at ProtonMail dot com. That's bo bbu Y c ap

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u Cci at ProtonMail dot com. You can also find

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me on Twitter at b O B b Y Underscore

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c A p U C C I. The link that

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we discussed can be found in the description box