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<v Speaker 1>Bill cunning Endigrant America. Welcome to someone Randy Afternoon in

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<v Speaker 1>the tri States. Coming up later as Michael Wright scheduling.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Wright, he's the attorney for the estate Shall Always

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<v Speaker 1>Saved the eighteen year old who was killed at the

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<v Speaker 1>hands of Cincinnati police because of his behavior. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>estate of Ryan Hinton, eighteen years old plus. Later on

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about the arrangment, further arrangment and

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<v Speaker 1>no bond hearing set this morning and the father's charges,

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<v Speaker 1>that being Rodney Hinton. But until then you may not

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<v Speaker 1>know it or not. This is an election day, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking, are you kidding me? It's an election and

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<v Speaker 1>we have the man in charge of elections in the

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<v Speaker 1>state of OHI Frank LaRose, Secretary of State. And Frank,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And Frank, how

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<v Speaker 1>are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Ben Willie? And it is election day. The polls have

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<v Speaker 2>been open for hours and they're ready to go. Over

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<v Speaker 2>three thousand voting locations open until seven thirty tonight. Only

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<v Speaker 2>two Percentable Highlands have already voted through the early voting process.

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<v Speaker 2>That it means ninety eight percent of you need to

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<v Speaker 2>still get out and make your voice heard. Yep, that's it.

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<v Speaker 3>Two two percent.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a ways to go to get to fifty percent,

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<v Speaker 1>which is impossible. Tony Bender wants to know what about

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<v Speaker 1>state issue too, because I know everything I think. I

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<v Speaker 1>just I like to communicate that to my listeners. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I know nothing about state issue too. So can you

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<v Speaker 1>tell me to vote yay or nay of state issue too?

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<v Speaker 1>Or can you not give me a yes or no?

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<v Speaker 1>Just tell me what it is? Which is it?

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be happy to tell you how I voted. My

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<v Speaker 2>wife and I went and voted early at the Franklin

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<v Speaker 2>County Board of Elections on Saturday, and we both voted

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<v Speaker 2>yes on issue too. If you want to do your

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<v Speaker 2>own homework, vote Ohio dot gov is our website. You'll

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<v Speaker 2>see the full language of the amendment. If you want

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<v Speaker 2>to look at it, you'll see an argument, a very

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<v Speaker 2>concise argument for it, and a very concise argument against it.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's the simple way to understand this. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a decades old infrastructure program in Ohio that borrows money

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<v Speaker 2>to pay for roads and bridges and water and sewer.

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<v Speaker 2>I would call this the good kind of government spending.

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<v Speaker 2>We all know about the nonsense government spending. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the stuff that Trump and Musk have been rooting out

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<v Speaker 2>through dog and there are plenty of things that at

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<v Speaker 2>least the federal level that they waste money on. Infrastructure, though,

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<v Speaker 2>is a smart investment when you're building roads and building

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<v Speaker 2>bridges and water and sewer. This is the stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>our economy rides on. That's why a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>business groups like the Chamber of Commerce and others have

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<v Speaker 2>been strong supporters of a yes vote on issue too.

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<v Speaker 2>It allows the state legislature to borrow five or sorry

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<v Speaker 2>two point five billion dollars over the next few decades

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<v Speaker 2>to invest that money at the local level. It has

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<v Speaker 2>worked well for Ohio over the last few decades, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a smart thing. But again, do your

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<v Speaker 2>own homework, vote high, dot, and go for all the information.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, it has nothing to do with football

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<v Speaker 2>stadiums anywhere. There's been some confusion about this. As you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a life long Browns fan. I understand you guys

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<v Speaker 2>have a football team down there at Cincinnati as well

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<v Speaker 2>that you all love and you should. But this has

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with the debate that's currently happening in

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<v Speaker 2>the state legislature they are debating whether they will do

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<v Speaker 2>a bond program to borrow money for a football stadium.

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<v Speaker 2>This has nothing to do with that issue, too, is

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<v Speaker 2>a completely separate thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So if this is intertwined with the Cleveland Browns not

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<v Speaker 1>real popular in Cincinnati, or the Bengals not real popular

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<v Speaker 1>in Cleveland, or with Ohio State, they get all the

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<v Speaker 1>money anyway, because all you guys in Columbus take care

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<v Speaker 1>of Ohio State. This has nothing to do with building stadiums.

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<v Speaker 1>This is about continuing roads and bridges things like that. Correct,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to do.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it. If you don't like potholes, if you want

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<v Speaker 2>clean water and good sewer systems that work when you

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<v Speaker 2>flush the toilet, then a vote yes on ISSUQ would

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<v Speaker 2>be my recommendation. Again, it invests money in infrastructure only,

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<v Speaker 2>and it does it at the local level. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>what's important to point out.

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<v Speaker 3>You brought it up about the dose, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a candidate for governor who I think is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be endorsed to state wide on Friday by

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<v Speaker 1>the state Republican Party, which.

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<v Speaker 3>Is quite unusual.

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<v Speaker 1>Normally, you Republicans let primaries determine by the voters who

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<v Speaker 1>to vote for, and normally it's hands off. You got

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<v Speaker 1>two or three qualified people running for governor. David yost

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<v Speaker 1>have had him on repeatedly, Mammy, even more than I've

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<v Speaker 1>had you on. Is a very popular attorney general, wins

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<v Speaker 1>every time he runs. He's announced for governor. David Yosho

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<v Speaker 1>would be a good governor. We have another candidate running

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<v Speaker 1>for vike Ramaswami that everyone's endorsing, beginning with Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>I know you're endorsed him. Got in early.

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<v Speaker 1>And why is the Republican Party, which is supposedly organized

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<v Speaker 1>to let the voters decide in primaries who to vote for,

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<v Speaker 1>gonna tip the scales in favor of Aveke Ramaswami against

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<v Speaker 1>David yos who's been there for the past thirty years

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<v Speaker 1>in one office or another.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you answer that question.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you're right to mention David's a good man

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<v Speaker 2>and a good public servant. But my strong choice is

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<v Speaker 2>for Viveke Ramaswami. I was the first to endorse him

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<v Speaker 2>because I believe that Vivek will be a transformational governor,

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<v Speaker 2>not just a good governor, not a company governor, a

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<v Speaker 2>transformational governor for Ohio. That's why I'm supporting him. My

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<v Speaker 2>endorsement isn't the one that matters the most. That one

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<v Speaker 2>comes from President Trump, who early on endorsed Bleveik. He

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<v Speaker 2>referred to Vevek as something special and talked about him

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<v Speaker 2>as a generational leader. Now, listen, it's still up to

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<v Speaker 2>the voters. That always will be for them to decide

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<v Speaker 2>who they want their party's nominee to be. They will

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<v Speaker 2>make that decision next spring when the state holds it primary.

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<v Speaker 2>I support the party endorsing Vivek. And there's a simple

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<v Speaker 2>really two reasons why the party has a responsibility to

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<v Speaker 2>give the seal of approval, to give a nod to

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<v Speaker 2>who they think is the best person. Most voters are

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<v Speaker 2>busy people. They have families to raise, the businesses to run,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're looking for some indication from the state party

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<v Speaker 2>who they believe would be our best candidate. And for

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<v Speaker 2>the state party to endorse is not an unusual thing.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, they've endorsed in primaries throughout their history. It

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<v Speaker 2>did last year they endorsed President Trump. Ohio is the

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<v Speaker 2>first state in the country to endorse President Trump, and

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<v Speaker 2>so it is a normal and expected thing for the

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<v Speaker 2>party to do that. But again, I'm supporting him because

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's the guy that can really transform Ohio.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got great energy, great vision. Well, let me describe

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<v Speaker 2>it to you like this. In the military, we have

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<v Speaker 2>leaders that we have to follow because they've got more

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<v Speaker 2>rank than us, and everybody just kind of grits their

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<v Speaker 2>teeth and does what the commander says because he's got

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<v Speaker 2>more rank on his sleeve than you do. But Big

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<v Speaker 2>is that rare kind of leader that you follow because

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<v Speaker 2>you want to. He's got a clear vision, he articulates

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<v Speaker 2>it well. He got the energy to carry that vision out,

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<v Speaker 2>and he also has the courage, the courage to get

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<v Speaker 2>tough things done, like eliminating the state income text, which

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the major proposals he's been talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>improving public education in Ohio, improving our energy grid in Ohio,

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<v Speaker 2>things that really are necessary for Ohio to be a

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<v Speaker 2>state of excellence. I think viak Ramaswami is the man

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<v Speaker 2>to deliver on that, and I think that the Republican

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<v Speaker 2>Party should endorse him when they meet on Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>Frank LeRose played Devil's advocate. He wants to get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of the state income tax, which is like two or

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<v Speaker 1>three percent. There's another group that wants to get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of the state property tax. We have no property taxes,

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<v Speaker 1>then we have no income taxes. One might ask, how

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<v Speaker 1>does the state raise about sixty billion dollars a year

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<v Speaker 1>If there's no income tax and no property tax, where

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<v Speaker 1>does the money come from. There's a tree behind city

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<v Speaker 1>Hall and the one plumb street that Charlie Luken used

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<v Speaker 1>to say, I go back there and shake the money

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<v Speaker 1>tree and the money just falls out. So if we

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<v Speaker 1>have no income tax and no property tax, where hell

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<v Speaker 1>does the money come from? All these things are popular

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<v Speaker 1>in the vacuum.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, there is a group that wants to eliminate the

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<v Speaker 2>property tax. I think that may be a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a of a bad plan. I think what we

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<v Speaker 2>should do is cap the property tax. I think property

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<v Speaker 2>taxes are entirely too high. One of the reasons I'm

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<v Speaker 2>running for state auditor, by the way, is that I

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<v Speaker 2>think that we need to scrutinize the way local government

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<v Speaker 2>spends money so that they're not constantly coming to the

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<v Speaker 2>ballot for another tax increase over and over again. That's

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<v Speaker 2>property tax, income tax. Listen, we compete with forty nine

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<v Speaker 2>other states and many states throughout this country have eliminated

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<v Speaker 2>their income tax, States like Texas, states like Florida State, Flke,

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<v Speaker 2>Tennessee that in many cases never had one. If Ohio

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<v Speaker 2>is going to compete in the modern economy to attract

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<v Speaker 2>talent to our state and to attract businesses to our state,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's time that we continue phasing out and

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<v Speaker 2>in short order eliminate the state income tax. And by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, other states find ways to raise the revenue

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<v Speaker 2>they need through sales taxes and that kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 2>that we can fund the essential services of state government,

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<v Speaker 2>which of course we want to do. We want to

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<v Speaker 2>have police officers and good public schools and all those

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<v Speaker 2>kind of things that state government needs to buy. But

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<v Speaker 2>the income tax is a bad way of doing it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it's time that Ohio joins a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of other states and gets rid of that. That's one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that Pavec is running on, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Frank leros on property taxes. I don't think it should

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<v Speaker 1>be eliminated. But if someone's a senior citizen on a

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<v Speaker 1>fixed income, if the house is less than no know'll

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<v Speaker 1>pick a number three hundred thousand dollars and they have

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<v Speaker 1>an income of fifty thousand dollars sixty thousand dollars a year.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't pay state income tax on Social Security, but

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<v Speaker 1>you pay federal tax. Maybe that's going to change. Ken

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sensitive to older Americans that don't have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of assets, that have to sell their house bills they

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<v Speaker 1>can't afford.

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<v Speaker 3>What can you do to keep property taxes? But put

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<v Speaker 3>a cap.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're a senior citizen on a fixed income without

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<v Speaker 1>a half million dollars in assets, without a job that's

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<v Speaker 1>paying you five hundred thousand dollars a year, how do

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<v Speaker 1>you fashion it to keep the old folks in the

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<v Speaker 1>community because they pay taxes their whole life.

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<v Speaker 3>How do you do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're absolutely right, especially for those seniors that paid

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<v Speaker 2>off their homes or for people like me that are

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<v Speaker 2>still paying a mortgage. When you look at your interest

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<v Speaker 2>payment and your principal payment and it's starting to look

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<v Speaker 2>like your property taxes are just as much as your interest.

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<v Speaker 2>In principle, it's un American. And there are two things

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<v Speaker 2>that lead to this problem. One is again, wasteful spending

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<v Speaker 2>at the local level needs to be screwed. That's something

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<v Speaker 2>that the state auditor can do and the other thing

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<v Speaker 2>is that they need to have a cap on property tax.

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<v Speaker 2>Rather a cap on property tax would help prevent these

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<v Speaker 2>big increases that we've seen in recent years. That's something

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<v Speaker 2>that I think our next governor of Big Bronswami, working

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<v Speaker 2>with our state legislature, will get done. And that's why

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a big supporter of that. For seniors, the state

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<v Speaker 2>of Ohio has a thing currently called the homestead exempt

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<v Speaker 2>by a very small measure of release to seniors, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's not nearly enough, and I think we need to

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<v Speaker 2>boost that now.

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<v Speaker 1>Lastly, you bring up police officers this community. I know

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<v Speaker 1>you're also a military man. And we had a terrible

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<v Speaker 1>incident in which a father, thirty eight year old Rodney Hinton,

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<v Speaker 1>Larry Henderson last week. And we have a situation here

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<v Speaker 1>where the eighteen year old his son was hoisting was

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<v Speaker 1>jack and cars all over northern Kentucky, driving them into

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio to use for various purposes, including committing crimes using

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<v Speaker 1>a Kia or a Hyundai. It's not their vehicle and

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<v Speaker 1>the police recalled. They come to the scene. The eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>nine millimeter with an extended mag The officers say the

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<v Speaker 1>shoot about thirty two projectiles in about six seconds. The

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<v Speaker 1>officer took quick notice of that fact and shot and

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<v Speaker 1>killed Ryan Hinton, who's eighteen years old. I have his attorney,

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<v Speaker 1>the attorney for the estate, coming up in about an hour.

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<v Speaker 1>His name is Michael Wright. And at this point, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a hearing hell this morning in municipal court in

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<v Speaker 1>which my friend judged tyrone Yates. And I mean my friend,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a good guy. We used to practice law together.

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<v Speaker 1>Set no bond in the case of the father who

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<v Speaker 1>murdered in cold blood a police officer. You travel the state,

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<v Speaker 1>you go to Cleveland, unfortunately in Toledo and Columbus and Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you noticed a general lack of respect for law

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement in every major city, not just in Ohio, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think there are a small minority of Ohioans that

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<v Speaker 2>don't respect law enforcement. I think the vest mcburry of

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<v Speaker 2>us do. I was with a group of sheriff's deputies

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<v Speaker 2>last night in Clinton County, and they all have had

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<v Speaker 2>the black bands on their badge because they were in

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<v Speaker 2>mourning for their brother, Deputy Henderson. And so we need

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<v Speaker 2>to first and foremost keep his family and his brother deputies,

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<v Speaker 2>brother and sister deputies in our prayers. Every day we

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<v Speaker 2>ask good men and women to put on a badge

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<v Speaker 2>and a gun and to go out there and to

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<v Speaker 2>risk their lives to protect our safety. Anyone who would

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<v Speaker 2>dare try to or be successful in taking the life

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<v Speaker 2>of one of our dear public servants, one of these

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<v Speaker 2>great law enforcement officers deserves to have the full force

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<v Speaker 2>of the law brought down them. I think that somebody

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<v Speaker 2>like that you need to make an example of them

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<v Speaker 2>so that people see that this is not something that

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<v Speaker 2>we as a society would ever tell. These are our

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<v Speaker 2>finest or finest Ohioans that serve us in law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 2>And guess what, ninety nine point nine percent of the time,

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<v Speaker 2>these are men and women that follow their training and

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<v Speaker 2>do the right thing. And on those rare occasions when

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<v Speaker 2>somebody doesn't do the right thing, there will be consequences

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<v Speaker 2>for it. They will have to pay the price if

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<v Speaker 2>they don't follow their training, and they don't do the

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<v Speaker 2>right thing. But someone taking the law into their own

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<v Speaker 2>hands is completely unacceptable. And this perpetrator, if the facts

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<v Speaker 2>prove this out, it's the full penalty that's available to him, and.

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<v Speaker 1>It's supposedly it's a death penalty. But my friend and yours,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Dwine, doesn't. He kind of mouths the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in favor of the death penalty, but in reality

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<v Speaker 1>he isn't because he will not sign a death warrant.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have some indication if a fake Ramaswami is

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<v Speaker 1>the governor that he would sign death warrants for those

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<v Speaker 1>who purposely murder police officers.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to let him speak for himself on that issue.

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<v Speaker 2>As much time as we spent out on the campaign trail,

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<v Speaker 2>I've not heard him articulate his his stance on that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm sure he has a well thought out one.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say this that I'm generally one that believes that

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<v Speaker 2>the death penalty should be used very sparingly. In many cases,

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<v Speaker 2>it just doesn't make sense. I put the case is

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<v Speaker 2>somebody that in Wanton cold blood kills a law enforcement officer.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one of the times that that the death penalty

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<v Speaker 2>definitely should be applied doesn't apply.

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<v Speaker 1>And if Hamilton County doesn't prosecute him with a spec

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<v Speaker 1>death penalty, spec, we don't have.

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<v Speaker 3>A death penalty.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt the same thing in Clairemont County when that

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<v Speaker 1>young father purposely murdered as three boys in cold blood,

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<v Speaker 1>three children, and they decided Clairemont County not to have

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<v Speaker 1>a spec death penalty and gain life imprisonment without possibility

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<v Speaker 1>of pearl.

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<v Speaker 3>Claremont County doesn't have a death penalty.

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<v Speaker 1>And if this is not prosecuted as a death penalty case,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have a death penalty in Hamlet County. And

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<v Speaker 1>if it's applied that haphazardly, we shouldn't have the death penalty.

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<v Speaker 1>If people like this don't get it, we might as

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<v Speaker 1>well not have one. But once again, Frank Leroe, Secretary State,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for coming on. And you say vote yes an

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<v Speaker 1>issue too, And if you need more explanation, check out

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<v Speaker 1>the website vote Ohio dot gov. It explains what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It has nothing to do with stadiums, has nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>do with that. It's about roads and bridges and sewer systems,

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<v Speaker 1>things like that. And once again, Frank LeRose, you're a

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<v Speaker 1>soldier and Secretary of state and you're going to become

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<v Speaker 1>what the auditor in about a year and a half.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that the deal?

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<v Speaker 2>God Willing? I'm running for Auditor of State and listen

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<v Speaker 2>a local elections matter. Get out and vote. The polls

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<v Speaker 2>are up until seven thirty tonight. Will even give you

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<v Speaker 2>a free sticker when you come to vote.

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<v Speaker 1>I promise plus a two percent turnout so far, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a little ways to go.

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<v Speaker 3>Will there be a ten percent turnout? Is that possible?

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<v Speaker 2>Gosh? I hope. So I'm not holding my breath. One

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and seventy two thousand, six hundred and fifty two,

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and seventy two, six hundred and fifty two

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<v Speaker 2>Ohioans have voted already through the early voting period. That

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<v Speaker 2>means two percent. That means about ninety eight percent of

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<v Speaker 2>us still need to get off our bucks, get out

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<v Speaker 2>there and vote and do our our CIC duty.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, this is about ten thousand different ways to vote.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds to me like voter suppression. But we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>what happens. Uh, Frank, Thank you very much for coming

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<v Speaker 1>on the Bill Cunningham Show, especially your comments on law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you very much. Thanks, Let's continue with more.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course Franklin Rose himself is a soldier, so

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<v Speaker 1>he's in the reserves, he served active duty, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I love having individuals on like Franklin Rose.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's continue with more. My comments next on not Guilty

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<v Speaker 1>by Reason of Insanity and also the comments of Clyde

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<v Speaker 1>Bennett this morning during the arrangement the second arrangement of

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<v Speaker 1>the murderer of Deputy Sheriff Larry Henderson Bill Cunningham on

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred WLW