Speaker 1: At a book.
Speaker 2: Hey everyone, thanks so much for listening to tonight's live
Speaker 2: stream episode of dog Me in the Counters Radio. I
Speaker 2: really appreciate it. Before we bring on tonight's guest, I
Speaker 2: want to give you some updates. Number one, I'm beyond
Speaker 2: happy to say to announce that Joe moved into her
Speaker 2: new home at the start of this month. There were
Speaker 2: some hang ups with the other property that she wanted
Speaker 2: to move into, but that's okay. The house that she
Speaker 2: moved into at the start of September here is actually
Speaker 2: a better option for her, So she's beyond elated about that,
Speaker 2: and both of us we can't thank you enough for
Speaker 2: all the support and help that you gave her that
Speaker 2: made this move possible. We're also glad for her and
Speaker 2: not having to deal with that horrible house with all
Speaker 2: that black mold in it. And I've been in talks
Speaker 2: with her about coming back on so she can personally
Speaker 2: update you on how she's doing. And I know she
Speaker 2: wants to thank all of you at least one more
Speaker 2: time for all the help you've given her, not just
Speaker 2: the financially, but all the support. She was really having
Speaker 2: a hard time with the experiences that she had and
Speaker 2: of course she can't thank you enough. Moving on to
Speaker 2: the second update, as I'm sure a lot of you
Speaker 2: are going to remember, I had planned to bring Kim
Speaker 2: on for a special live stream last Tuesday, but unfortunately,
Speaker 2: poor Kim, she got sick and lost her voice. So
Speaker 2: luckily she's better now. She sent me a message, I
Speaker 2: think it was yesterday, telling me that she's almost back
Speaker 2: to normal. So I coordinated with her to air a
Speaker 2: special live stream with her this Monday night at nine
Speaker 2: pm Eastern time, so she can come on and tell
Speaker 2: you about this latest encounter that she's had with Imber,
Speaker 2: and on that show, she's got something that's going to
Speaker 2: blow you away to announce something she noticed when she
Speaker 2: had this most recent sighting with Ember. Of course, Imber
Speaker 2: is the name that she gave that female, the dog
Speaker 2: woman that she's seen a couple of times. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the show you're not going to want to miss,
Speaker 2: all right. Having said that, moving on to tonight show,
Speaker 2: some people have had dog me and encounters under unfortunate circumstances,
Speaker 2: I guess you could say, But just imagine for a
Speaker 2: second what it would be like to be trying to
Speaker 2: deal with being in the middle of a hurricane with
Speaker 2: all the wins and all the stuff that comes along
Speaker 2: with that. Well, not only that, but being in a
Speaker 2: cemetery to boot between maybe midnight ish and one am
Speaker 2: in the morning, Well that's going to be traumatic for
Speaker 2: pretty much anyone. But adding to that, imagine for a
Speaker 2: second what it would be like to think at first
Speaker 2: that you're removing yourself from the situation, just to find
Speaker 2: out that that dog me in is actually coming for you.
Speaker 2: Just horrible nightmare.
Speaker 1: Fuel.
Speaker 2: Well, what I'm getting at is, of course I've got
Speaker 2: tonight's guest on ready to bring in here to talk
Speaker 2: about that experience. But yeah, just imagine for a second
Speaker 2: what that must have been like. All right, without any
Speaker 2: further ado, let's bring him in here now before I do,
Speaker 2: so that you know he wanted to remain anonymous. With
Speaker 2: that in mind, we've decided to just refer to him
Speaker 2: as Jared Tonight. Jared, thanks so much for coming on
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 1: Hey, Vig, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome, Glad to bring you on. Jared, please
Speaker 2: give us a brief bio in yourself.
Speaker 1: Oh let's see, I'm a father of two girls and
Speaker 1: I have a bunch of animals and rescue animals, cats
Speaker 1: and dogs, and lived in all over the East Coast,
Speaker 1: but then in the southeast North Carolina for the last
Speaker 1: twenties plus years. And and let's see, I work in
Speaker 1: work in sales, and I always been an outdoorsman, love
Speaker 1: to fish. I don't do as much honey as I
Speaker 1: used to do, but I used to do a lot more.
Speaker 1: But but still big fishermen. And just it's kind it's
Speaker 1: kind of scoop on me. This is not hopefully that's sufficient.
Speaker 2: Well it is. It definitely sounds to me like you
Speaker 2: stay busy, very busy. Yes, yeah, I'm sure you do
Speaker 2: stay busy. You mentioned the rescue work that you do.
Speaker 2: Do you keep the animals at your home or at
Speaker 2: a different place.
Speaker 1: I have been a foster. I have been a foster
Speaker 1: many times. Currently I don't have any, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: often I help find foster place foster homes for animals,
Speaker 1: mainly dogs and cats. Sometimes there's others. But but but
Speaker 1: I opened my doors up as well quite often, and
Speaker 1: you know, just had about every every kind of especially
Speaker 1: dog you can imagine. So wow, that's they don't have
Speaker 1: much choice, so we try and help them, you know, well.
Speaker 2: That's awfully admirable. Yeah, I'm really glad that you do that.
Speaker 2: You're a good man, You definitely are. I'm wondering, Jared,
Speaker 2: how much of a burden have your dog mean encounters
Speaker 2: put on your day to day life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of hard to quantify, you know. It's uh,
Speaker 1: there's a whole level roller coaster of emotions and responses
Speaker 1: that go with that. But I think over the years
Speaker 1: since my first encounter, it's I've recognized more that it's
Speaker 1: been a lot more significant, more a larger burden than
Speaker 1: I originally recognized or allowed myself to recognize, if that
Speaker 1: makes sense. I still go out thought in the woods.
Speaker 1: I still do those things, but I'm hypervisu vigilant now,
Speaker 1: and because of from your intro, it's kind of eerie
Speaker 1: time when you're the middle of a storm, whenever I'm
Speaker 1: very vigilant of whenever weather or pressure changes happen. It
Speaker 1: just kind of I've kind of related that to this stuff.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm always kind of on edge when when
Speaker 1: things change, such as weather, if that makes sense, or
Speaker 1: or any thing just just like if it gets quiet,
Speaker 1: you know, so much more vigilant than it used to
Speaker 1: be so I think that takes a lot of time
Speaker 1: and energy. So how to quantify that, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it's it's it's a big significant change though.
Speaker 2: Well I can understand why, and yeah, once bitten twice
Speaker 2: shy from now on. Unfortunately, from now on, anytime there's
Speaker 2: bad weather out it's blowing and raining. I can't see
Speaker 2: how you can't go back to that night in the
Speaker 2: cemetery and relive what, unfortunately happened.
Speaker 1: It was like the perfect storm, right. The cemetery just
Speaker 1: happened to be the place that I could park because
Speaker 1: we couldn't get through the road. So it just uh
Speaker 1: not been in that cemetery on a hundred times, but it
Speaker 1: was never a big deal. But it happened to be
Speaker 1: there when I had my first agoun or.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it happens that way sometimes. Unfortunately, you told
Speaker 2: me in our first conversation that your encounters have changed
Speaker 2: you how.
Speaker 1: So primarily, yeah, the it's hard to acknowledge that actually
Speaker 1: these there are when you see these things, that it
Speaker 1: actually is true. You can hear a bad listen to it. Well,
Speaker 1: when it happens to you, it does change. It flips
Speaker 1: your world upside down. Because everything you've been like in
Speaker 1: my my MySpace, it was that everything that I've known
Speaker 1: is not true? And and who do you talk to
Speaker 1: about that? Which is so grateful for you got you,
Speaker 1: but it's it's really just, uh, it kind of it
Speaker 1: isolates you. It isolated me knowing something that that many
Speaker 1: people do but many many don't. It is, uh, it's isolating.
Speaker 1: I think that's the best way to describe it. Hasn't
Speaker 1: I haven't really limited where I go or what I do.
Speaker 1: I have to a degree, but not not as much
Speaker 1: as I'm still willing to push it and go and
Speaker 1: go out, and you know, I'm not a homebody. But
Speaker 1: more so, it's kind of flipped the script on the
Speaker 1: world as I've seen it until that time, if that
Speaker 1: makes sense.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, ever since you learned how to speak, it's
Speaker 2: been hammered into your headtime after time that monsters don't exist.
Speaker 2: Well guess what. In September of twenty eighteen, in a
Speaker 2: cemetery during a hurricane, you found out that's bunk, that
Speaker 2: they do exist. So yeah, that kind of a revelation
Speaker 2: it is going to turn everything on its ear. It's
Speaker 2: totally understandable. You talked about the isolation you tend to
Speaker 2: feel now after having such an experience, And this next
Speaker 2: question touches on that you've been blackballed unfortunately by friends
Speaker 2: and family. To what extent and how hard has that
Speaker 2: been on you?
Speaker 3: Well, I thought I was being pretty cautious sharing this
Speaker 3: because understandably most people don't have these experiences.
Speaker 1: And I say most by just meaning them by the numbers.
Speaker 1: And I selectively chose at certain times to try and
Speaker 1: share with certain people, and and and I there are
Speaker 1: select people that are certain people that have never looked
Speaker 1: at me the same like something's wrong with me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I tried to play it off like it was not like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I was just messing around or you know,
Speaker 1: whatever it was. But but it is. It is affected
Speaker 1: my family relationships, It is affected a few. I have
Speaker 1: a couple of friends that are very supportive, but I
Speaker 1: out of the handful I've told, but I've lost half
Speaker 1: of them, oh yeah, so and not not no, not
Speaker 1: soily not necessarily lost it that day, but it was like, hmmm,
Speaker 1: something wrong with that guy? Uh, because they can't imagine it.
Speaker 1: So it's uh, you know, it's I'm fine, I'm getting
Speaker 1: through it and getting bye. You know, but it did.
Speaker 1: It changed relationships, it did.
Speaker 2: What a shame. They're supposed to be family, They're supposed
Speaker 2: to be friends when you need the most most in
Speaker 2: the situation like this, what we're talking about, they abandoned
Speaker 2: you on that. That is absolutely horrible. Shame on them
Speaker 2: for doing that.
Speaker 1: I tend to I try to think about though, if
Speaker 1: I did not have an experience and someone came to
Speaker 1: me like that, and I tend to think, and I
Speaker 1: hope I would be very supportive, but I think I
Speaker 1: would be. But you never know too, you're there. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the way human nature.
Speaker 2: I guess that is a good point. If I had
Speaker 2: account how many eyewitnesses I've spoken with over the years
Speaker 2: who if it wasn't them who had the encounters, if
Speaker 2: it was a family member or a friend of theirs
Speaker 2: who did, tons of them would have taken the same stance,
Speaker 2: and yeah, made fun of them, probably tried to alienate them.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1: Or get concerned, is that guy? Okay? You know, but anyway,
Speaker 1: we all hope we do the right thing. But this
Speaker 1: is kind of an extreme situation, you.
Speaker 2: Know, Yes, it is, yeah, very extreme, Jared, If that
Speaker 2: dog man wouldn't have come after you that night. How
Speaker 2: much easier do you think that experience would have been
Speaker 2: to deal with?
Speaker 1: Well, it's kind of. That was terrifying. Absolutely, there's the
Speaker 1: thing that really got me because I didn't know what
Speaker 1: a dog man was before this. That never you know,
Speaker 1: it didn't even consider that. The thing that really scared
Speaker 1: me before getting chased was that I had a sense
Speaker 1: of dread. When I do you mind if I share
Speaker 1: the story a little bit.
Speaker 2: Let's wait to go into details.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be the fear of that. The fear
Speaker 1: of that was was there's a lot of fear before that,
Speaker 1: and then when I was chased, I kind of like
Speaker 1: I remember it, but I was kind of blacked out.
Speaker 1: There's nothing except for that door I'm trying to get to,
Speaker 1: And it was terrifying. It was absolutely terrrit Lying I
Speaker 1: had that not happened, I don't know, but it was
Speaker 1: pretty damn scary. I'm sorry, Pretty pretty scary regardless.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it was scary.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That just doesn't do what happened any justice. It doesn't
Speaker 2: I want to know. Definitely, Yeah, we do need a
Speaker 2: new word to do it. Any justice. Before I ask
Speaker 2: you to tell us about your encounter. There are two
Speaker 2: things I wanted to address. Number One, we've got two donations,
Speaker 2: one from Lily Lewis Lily Lewis and one from Tiffany Harding.
Speaker 2: Both of you, thank you so much for supporting the show.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. Appreciate that. And also too, I
Speaker 2: wanted to address the fact that there was an eyewitness
Speaker 2: who two weeks ago I'd scheduled a show with to
Speaker 2: come on and he was going to talk about an
Speaker 2: encounter he had that he describes as torturing him to
Speaker 2: present day. Well, unfortunately, about two days ago, his mother
Speaker 2: let me know that he's currently in the ICU in
Speaker 2: a medically induced coma and he's not doing well right now.
Speaker 2: That just gutted me. It just gutted me. That's not
Speaker 2: dogged me and related why he's in the hospital right now.
Speaker 2: But yeah, definitely prayers go out to him. I don't
Speaker 2: want to reveal a name, but prayers definitely go out
Speaker 2: to him. And of course we hope he pulls through that.
Speaker 2: That is not a good situation at all, and we'll
Speaker 2: be praying for him a right. Having said that, Jared,
Speaker 2: please tell us all about your encounters. Now, give us
Speaker 2: every last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Okay, this was you know what six years ago or so, Yeah,
Speaker 1: on the coast, and there was a pretty large storm
Speaker 1: that came through. So fortunately it was this is a
Speaker 1: hurricane and it fortunately it lessen than strength right before
Speaker 1: it got to us. But usually they passed through in
Speaker 1: a day or so. But unfortunately the prevailing winds or
Speaker 1: whatever whatever the weather pattern was, it just stayed on
Speaker 1: top of us. But uh, level one, what two than
Speaker 1: a one and a tropical storm for five or six
Speaker 1: days and it was just you really l in a
Speaker 1: in a very windy thunderstorm with periods of trench and
Speaker 1: rainfall for five days. And and it did hit. It
Speaker 1: was enough power we couldn't really get around. There wasn't
Speaker 1: gas available. On occasion we could get to one gas station,
Speaker 1: but and we had to cut our way out of
Speaker 1: the just normal hurricane stuff, cut our way out of
Speaker 1: the neighborhood. But we so we had limited limited Uh
Speaker 1: we didn't have power on the grid, We had limited
Speaker 1: transfer ways to get through. I mean a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of roads were impassable. So I was I
Speaker 1: happened to live near my family in the same neighborhood
Speaker 1: about a mile or so away, and they had a
Speaker 1: better generator system than I did, but I still had
Speaker 1: mine at my house. But I had a young child
Speaker 1: at the time, very young, and so I was going
Speaker 1: back and forth between the houses but I couldn't quite
Speaker 1: get there. So I was parking my car and checking
Speaker 1: on generators, filling them with gas, well not to keep
Speaker 1: the lights on and you know food and you know,
Speaker 1: refrigerate running. But checking about three times a day, so
Speaker 1: all that background. I went at about day three, three
Speaker 1: or four into the storm. It was three, but went
Speaker 1: back and I and I had to park about a
Speaker 1: quarter mile from my house I was staying in. And
Speaker 1: now I've done this every day multiple times as dead
Speaker 1: for a while. But I went out to check one
Speaker 1: more time at night and I went got did everything
Speaker 1: at my house, came back and this it is flown,
Speaker 1: This fis windy, is kind of eerie. But I'll go
Speaker 1: drive around parking this as close as I can possibly
Speaker 1: get to walk to this other house where I'm staying.
Speaker 1: So I, oh, look there, like I have done multiple
Speaker 1: days in a rouw. I got out of my suv
Speaker 1: at the time and I had a bunch of stuff
Speaker 1: with bags that I was gonna get out of the
Speaker 1: back of the mind by suv. But I got out,
Speaker 1: closed the door, and before I got to the back
Speaker 1: back of this four hun Er two to open the gate,
Speaker 1: I had I just say, just something hit me, like
Speaker 1: a ton of bricks, this impending sense of dread, doom,
Speaker 1: no idea, why not? The storm's three days old. I'm
Speaker 1: not scared of the storm at all. Now I'm in
Speaker 1: the cemetery all time, and that's not it. But it
Speaker 1: just just I was terrified try to open the back.
Speaker 1: I opened the back gate of the truck and then
Speaker 1: but see, I was trying to ignore it and get
Speaker 1: my stuff together, but it was overwhelming enough that and
Speaker 1: foreign to me that I ended up closing the gate,
Speaker 1: running to the closest door, which is now the passenger
Speaker 1: door of my my four runner, and jumping in and
Speaker 1: locking the door. And I didn't even know why. It
Speaker 1: was very very very uneasy feeling, so sitting there for
Speaker 1: a while, thinking them crazy, I'm insane. No, but I
Speaker 1: didn't see anything. I'm scanning around, but I don't see anything.
Speaker 1: But but I eventually mustered up about fifteen ten fifty minutes.
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, let's just get your stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, walk about four hundred yards and you're you're good.
Speaker 1: So I did. I got my bags out of the
Speaker 1: back and loaded myself up. Still feel the same way
Speaker 1: when I'm feel a little better because I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: push through it. And then I got back around about
Speaker 1: halfway up the car, and let's see, I was the
Speaker 1: direction I was not going was downhill a little bit
Speaker 1: there was. It was kind of a slow rolling hill.
Speaker 1: As I'm walking around in the car, I see I
Speaker 1: catch some really really strong eyeshine, know, very amber. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was just piercing downhill. So it's kind of hard,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's very dark out and on occasion
Speaker 1: the clouds are apart and you know, your little moonshine
Speaker 1: come through. So I see a little bit here and there.
Speaker 1: But but but it was very dark and couldn't tell
Speaker 1: how well. I couldn't really tell how far down it was,
Speaker 1: but it was within It was no more than thirty yards,
Speaker 1: no more probably twenty five. And I'm like, that's pretty terrifying.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep walking. And then it moved a little
Speaker 1: bit and I realized that the separated. His eyes were
Speaker 1: really big. It was there was it didn't make sense.
Speaker 1: We a lot of codies in the They really a
Speaker 1: box and they really there there there. It was too
Speaker 1: big for that. It didn't make any sense. It was
Speaker 1: really low to the ground too, uh so, very confused,
Speaker 1: kind of getting terrified. And then then the clouds parted
Speaker 1: a little bit and I saw some shine and I
Speaker 1: could see that it had the hunch as I'll call it,
Speaker 1: the back of a dog's legs. I could see clearly.
Speaker 1: That's the first thing I saw. And it was way
Speaker 1: far much farther back than where the eyes were, and
Speaker 1: this thing was kind of laying down a little bit,
Speaker 1: and it was very far bigger than I thought it was.
Speaker 1: And around the same time, it raised up a couple
Speaker 1: of feet in the back likes didn't do and it
Speaker 1: deal with coyote, but this was not coyote. So I
Speaker 1: it was terrifying and I were raised up. I thought
Speaker 1: it was gonna come to me, and I just ran
Speaker 1: had about one hundred yards backpack and carrying the stroud.
Speaker 1: I mean, I got a bunch of stuff. I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to get their stuffs. I can. I dropped a
Speaker 1: few things, but I got and twenty five yards or
Speaker 1: so that I was on the grass and it's I
Speaker 1: remember thinking, please don't follow me. And then within about
Speaker 1: a second or two, I heard the football and it
Speaker 1: sounded like it sounded like, you know, like it wasn't
Speaker 1: a it wasn't walking, it was you know, back legs,
Speaker 1: front legs. It was I just sorry, I forget it
Speaker 1: comes back, you know, but it was. I even had
Speaker 1: a I even in my car. I had you know,
Speaker 1: some protection if you will, and I had that with me,
Speaker 1: and I didn't even think about that. I just wanted
Speaker 1: to get to the door, just run and I did.
Speaker 1: And I don't recall when I got to the pavement hearing.
Speaker 1: I never heard I'm not sure if I remember or
Speaker 1: not when I heard the footfall behind me and it
Speaker 1: was really close, but I never heard it. It's the pavement.
Speaker 1: I remember thinking about if I hear that, and I'm
Speaker 1: in real big trouble. But I also it was such
Speaker 1: a blur. I'm not sure if it followed me father
Speaker 1: than that, I don't think it following past the grass,
Speaker 1: but it was I played sports, I'm a little It
Speaker 1: was kind of fast, but I probably ran. I probably
Speaker 1: record time forty or whatever, you know. That day, it
Speaker 1: was just I didn't think i'd get out of there.
Speaker 1: I really didn't. I had my family over there at
Speaker 1: the house. It's a young child and I I I remember,
Speaker 1: I couldn't even really explain what happened to my wife
Speaker 1: and I, but I was I just wanted to patrol.
Speaker 1: I was head on a swivel off the back gate
Speaker 1: with you know, trying to make sure it doesn't come
Speaker 1: into the house. It was no sleep that night, but
Speaker 1: I made it. I made the door. So that was
Speaker 1: h At the time, I didn't really know what it what.
Speaker 1: I some research and the amber eyes and then the
Speaker 1: hind legs, I know, and then and then I had
Speaker 1: a set of teeth on too. The moon hit. But
Speaker 1: uh it uh when you're not even familiar with this stuff,
Speaker 1: and it was really hard to explain, and it really
Speaker 1: hard to wrap my head around. But anyway, Uh sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm digressing. It just it's pretty terrifying and uh, never
Speaker 1: see anything that big.
Speaker 2: No, please don't apologize, no need to apologize at all.
Speaker 2: Just take your time.
Speaker 1: Well that that was I mean, that was the main encounter.
Speaker 1: But just for the reference that I wasn't. I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't know about dog Man, and now I do
Speaker 1: because I look, I mean endless google searches, you know,
Speaker 1: for for what's what this was. And then I actually
Speaker 1: found you guys, and I saw that's exactly myself.
Speaker 4: So uh it was it was I didn't, you know,
Speaker 4: really dark brown or black, but uh man, the things
Speaker 4: that amber eyes, that was that was the really piercing part.
Speaker 1: Uh Let's see, it wasn't great at all either. I
Speaker 1: think it was really dark brown, might be black, but
Speaker 1: just big, just long and stretched out. I was laying
Speaker 1: down on the stomach and it started raised up. So
Speaker 1: anyway from there, I was terrified all night and I
Speaker 1: tried to you know, what are you tell your people around?
Speaker 1: It happened that it was very you know, I wasn't
Speaker 1: sure what to do. But uh yeah, unfortunately, next day
Speaker 1: or two that's still un cleared up and I could
Speaker 1: we could get through and didn't have to park there anymore.
Speaker 1: But but I actually didn't get back to the house
Speaker 1: and let my generators run out until the road opened
Speaker 1: to us about a day and a half later. Uh
Speaker 1: so it's pretty scary. Let's see. Then my wife she
Speaker 1: I told her about it. She she didn't know what's
Speaker 1: wrong with me or what what are you freaking out about?
Speaker 1: But then but when I eventually calmed down and told
Speaker 1: her about it, she was suborn. She was, but and
Speaker 1: ironically enough about within team months, I want to say,
Speaker 1: I can't recall. Three to three to six weeks later,
Speaker 1: she was driving past that area and kind of stopped
Speaker 1: in her tracks, uh, at her head lights shining on it.
Speaker 1: Right across the street from where I was, there's a
Speaker 1: h it's probably five probably five feet tall in the
Speaker 1: top brown of white fence. And she after retelling her
Speaker 1: about the eyes, I think she caught some of her
Speaker 1: headlines and she actually saw a dog man crouching down
Speaker 1: behind the fence, crouching with his eyes just over the
Speaker 1: top run which maybe it's four feet or five, but
Speaker 1: it was crouching, so I don't know. He founded at
Speaker 1: home for a little while, but I don't live there anymore.
Speaker 1: But she saw him too, kind of shook her up
Speaker 1: a lot as well. Since we've met, we've met not
Speaker 1: long after that, frankly, but uh, that was the that
Speaker 1: was my hurricane experience.
Speaker 2: When you're ready, please continue with the next one.
Speaker 1: Sure, so that was, like I said, six years ago
Speaker 1: or so, and I and I just do want to say,
Speaker 1: I mean, I, you know, did some homework, found you guys,
Speaker 1: and it's just it's it's been very helpful. But you know,
Speaker 1: I deal with this, you know, you deal with this,
Speaker 1: you know, the family, the friends, and tell a few
Speaker 1: people as soon as you know. I know we redundant.
Speaker 1: But a couple were supportive, a couple weren't. And I
Speaker 1: just kind of claimed up about it for a while.
Speaker 1: So kind of get through it, you know, working through
Speaker 1: it and living life. But I moved again since the
Speaker 1: move after that house farther out in the country and
Speaker 1: love it's great, and uh very recently actually, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden about two two weeks ago, less two
Speaker 1: weeks ago, I had another encounter. There's I have two
Speaker 1: places up there, and I have a fence behind my
Speaker 1: one of my backyard, pretty good sized yard, and nothing's
Speaker 1: behind us. It's just a field and then a bunch
Speaker 1: of trees. It's a very country and uh, let's see,
Speaker 1: there's my dogs are going crazy, one in particular was
Speaker 1: going crazy and I went out and there's a heavy
Speaker 1: heavy footfall. There are black bears around here. But and
Speaker 1: I caught the eyes of this thing and it kind
Speaker 1: of kind of peeked around the corner and I caught
Speaker 1: some eyes and just just took me right back to
Speaker 1: where I wasn't cemetery that day. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I know what that is? Uh, And it took off
Speaker 1: I one hundred miles an hour is probably, I mean
Speaker 1: it was so fast, it was amazing, and it shot
Speaker 1: down as a straight shot in this field I can
Speaker 1: see almost a mile and it was gone, just gone
Speaker 1: in like in no time. It was you know, it
Speaker 1: was crazy. It was really heavy and then just so swift.
Speaker 1: I mean it felt like took like four steps and
Speaker 1: it was completely out of you. It was really, I
Speaker 1: know it was more than that, but it was pretty
Speaker 1: how do I say, impresses and terrifying at the same time.
Speaker 1: But and then frankly, I have other properly have some
Speaker 1: chickens on right down the street from here, and that
Speaker 1: one we had. Now we get little little problems with
Speaker 1: other old predators coming looking at going after chicken. So
Speaker 1: I was check on them and went out the other
Speaker 1: night and uh, saying I heard the same thing and
Speaker 1: it was just heavy, heavy football and I didn't see
Speaker 1: at this time, but it was so heavy, there's nothing
Speaker 1: it could be. And it took off so fast because
Speaker 1: I could hear it. It was in the kind of
Speaker 1: a ditch. It was very grown up, probably ten twenty
Speaker 1: feet and you could see the brush moving. But it
Speaker 1: was so fast. It's almost a good skip, like twenty
Speaker 1: yards and then the maybe thirty yards. Then see it
Speaker 1: move again, just gone. It's like what, I can't describe
Speaker 1: how fastest thing is. That all happened about two weeks ago,
Speaker 1: within you know, nothing for a little bit, and then uh,
Speaker 1: last night shut up again at the house where uh,
Speaker 1: you know, two separate properties with they're very close. Uh,
Speaker 1: same thing, got some eyeshine. It stuck around a little bit.
Speaker 1: I didn't stick around though. I brought dogs in and
Speaker 1: I said, I'm just gonna go hold up because I
Speaker 1: don't didn't want to deal with that again. But but
Speaker 1: so the same relative area, but six five six years apart,
Speaker 1: this this one's dig this one digger. I its just
Speaker 1: it's just it's pretty. You can feel the ground whenever
Speaker 1: when it when it starts takes off, it's pretty. It's
Speaker 1: pretty wild. So so it kind of resurfaced after I
Speaker 1: was kind of getting through it everything and uh, but
Speaker 1: it kind of kind of all came kind of flying
Speaker 1: back in the past couple of weeks. So those are
Speaker 1: those are my encounters. If I change it has changed
Speaker 1: my life.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure they have. If I heard you correctly,
Speaker 2: you said this most recent dog mean that you had
Speaker 2: an encounter with, was probably bigger than the one that
Speaker 2: you have you encounter with in the cemetery. Did I
Speaker 2: hear you right when you said that.
Speaker 1: The reason I say that is because I could feel
Speaker 1: it on the ground when it when it took off,
Speaker 1: and I don't recall that was the first one. Other
Speaker 1: one was really big, but this one I couldn't get
Speaker 1: a full scope of his eyes. But the first three
Speaker 1: or four steps twice is this good doing? Like I
Speaker 1: could feel it under your feet. I'm standing in the
Speaker 1: yard and it was pretty It's heavy. It was really heavy.
Speaker 1: So I'm speculating a little bit, but it was. It's
Speaker 1: enough to make it go inside and locked the door.
Speaker 2: Yes, that would be if you had to guess how
Speaker 2: much do you think it weighed?
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I mean we have black bear around here
Speaker 1: is hair and that got me. It's completely shooting in
Speaker 1: the dark three four hunred pounds. I mean it was
Speaker 1: it's probably light from I don't know, but I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. That's a that's a rough, really rough estimate.
Speaker 1: But it was big enough that I could feel it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, if you could feel it through the ground,
Speaker 2: that's pretty big. That's definitely big enough.
Speaker 1: And it's about maybe point. It was a little close,
Speaker 1: a little twenty yards away, so it was it wasn't
Speaker 1: right on top of it, but it was. It was
Speaker 1: still that far away. It's pretty big.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be pretty bad. When the dog man
Speaker 2: and the cemetery rose up, did you hear any strange sounds?
Speaker 1: No, I didn't. I did not, and and I want
Speaker 1: to clarify, whenever I saw it rise up, what I
Speaker 1: what I think happened was is now that it was
Speaker 1: down low and it raised up almost on his arms,
Speaker 1: if you will, because it went up about two feet,
Speaker 1: and that's when the moon the clouds cleared, and I
Speaker 1: saw that the moon came through and I could see
Speaker 1: the legs still laid out behind it. So it didn't
Speaker 1: make any sounds. I think I know what you're talking about,
Speaker 1: But no, I didn't. I didn't catch any sounds. But again,
Speaker 1: the winds howling through, so I don't recall that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with winds blowing fifty sixty maybe even seventy miles
Speaker 2: an hour, then yeah, it's gonna be yeah that time. Yep,
Speaker 2: that's going to make it awfully hard to hear anything
Speaker 2: that it did. Definitely, after having that first encounter, you
Speaker 2: said that you started to feel kind of marked by it.
Speaker 2: Please expand on that for.
Speaker 1: Us, Well, I think I think it goes to the
Speaker 1: point and this is my thinking it through. Yeah, your hypervision.
Speaker 1: I became hypervision hyper aware, and obviously you know it's
Speaker 1: a threat. You know you're the more aware, but and
Speaker 1: you just certain situations where I might walk down the
Speaker 1: path in the woods or wherever it may be. In
Speaker 1: the past, you might get a little creepy feeling. I
Speaker 1: just said to ignore it, and now I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't do that anymore, and I feel like that's a hypervigilance.
Speaker 1: And then also I I've had enough for those that
Speaker 1: felt a little creepy that I just kind of walked away,
Speaker 1: got away from the area. So without seeing them until recently,
Speaker 1: I I always suspected maybe there's a document out here,
Speaker 1: but but now it's kind of and I mean forty
Speaker 1: five minutes away, you know, and there's another one. You know,
Speaker 1: It's like it does you kind of feel like once,
Speaker 1: it's almost like once. I don't know how. This is
Speaker 1: just my thoughts. I don't know how. It's probably no
Speaker 1: validity to it, but it's almost like, yep, I know
Speaker 1: you're there. Now my visit you again, and it did?
Speaker 1: You know. It's just kind of it does feel kind
Speaker 1: of like a kind of feels like there's kind of
Speaker 1: it's the fear factor, you know, and the I don't know,
Speaker 1: a reminder we're here. It's kind of what it feels like.
Speaker 1: Whether that's true or not, I don't know, but it
Speaker 1: just it's kind of seems like, why why have most
Speaker 1: of the population not seen this? And now I got
Speaker 1: to see it four times? You know? So yeah, kind
Speaker 1: of feel marked. That makes sense.
Speaker 2: That does make sense, And it's totally natural that you
Speaker 2: would wonder that.
Speaker 1: Why me.
Speaker 2: I wish there was a good answer I could give
Speaker 2: you for that, but I can't, unfortunately, But understand when
Speaker 2: you listen to so many eyewitnesses come on and talk
Speaker 2: about having follow up encounters with these guys, it's only
Speaker 2: natural to wonder to think that, Okay, if I have
Speaker 2: an encounter with a dog man, it's pretty much a
Speaker 2: given that more to come, more to follow. But is
Speaker 2: hard as it might be to believe, it really is
Speaker 2: the exception and not the rule that an eyewitness who
Speaker 2: has one encounter has a follow up encounter, because normally
Speaker 2: you just have one. Of all the people I've spoken
Speaker 2: with about their encounters, it's it might seem common for
Speaker 2: there to be a follow up encounter, but that's definitely
Speaker 2: the exception, not the rule. I just wanted to make
Speaker 2: sure you understood that.
Speaker 1: Thank you, because one of those things where you you
Speaker 1: remember that those that did have a follow up and no,
Speaker 1: it's not, but you know, without doing the math on it,
Speaker 1: Yeah that's oh, so I'm extra special. Now I'm ben teasing,
Speaker 1: but that's uh, it's yeah, well yeah, so so thank
Speaker 1: you for that. I mean, it says it's good to
Speaker 1: not feel marked if you will, but it's they get
Speaker 1: in your head, you know, it's just it just doesn't
Speaker 1: and I know you are folks with encounters, are just
Speaker 1: that it can really mess with your head. It really can, Yes,
Speaker 1: it can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, life can be difficult as it is without these
Speaker 2: kind of problems. But when you stack these words of
Speaker 2: problems on top of the problems that you deal with
Speaker 2: on a day to day basis in life, Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: just too much. And it definitely isn't fair. It's not
Speaker 2: fair at all. When the dog man moved, Jared, was
Speaker 2: it jerky in its movements or was it smooth?
Speaker 1: It was very fast when it when it raised up
Speaker 1: extremely fast, one swift motion. It was That's the best
Speaker 1: I can say. It was. It was fast, raised about
Speaker 1: two my best guess two feet, and and it was
Speaker 1: it was just it was really fast. It was almost
Speaker 1: like a like a glitch on the screen, but it
Speaker 1: moved really fast, so I couldn't After that I turned
Speaker 1: and ran. I didn't see it running, I just heard it. Uh.
Speaker 1: The other one on the movement was just so it's
Speaker 1: so fast. It was you know, it got out of
Speaker 1: the bushes and the recent last night. Uh. And then
Speaker 1: then it wasn't I want to say jerky. It was
Speaker 1: it was almost like, how is it possible we got
Speaker 1: there that fast by taking four steps? But my best
Speaker 1: way to describe it, it was kind of a commotion at first,
Speaker 1: and then it was just like gliding on this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I did. Jerky is not the work to answer that,
Speaker 1: to try and circle back and answer your question, jerky
Speaker 1: is not what I saw.
Speaker 2: That might seem like a strange question, but the reason
Speaker 2: I asked it is, Yeah, there are quite a few
Speaker 2: eyewitnesses who reported seeing the dog me in that they
Speaker 2: encountered kind of jerking and twitching like a crack addict,
Speaker 2: almost just almost uncomfortable in its own skin and just
Speaker 2: couldn't really even hold still. So that's why I was
Speaker 2: asking you that question for that reason. A few years
Speaker 2: before you had that first experience, Jared, you had some
Speaker 2: pure normal experiences. What can you tell us about them?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, I was in I had a go of
Speaker 1: it lately. But there was a house that I part of.
Speaker 1: I did a little bit of renovations things like that
Speaker 1: and flips, but first the house and was working on
Speaker 1: and and just had a every feeling wonder in particular,
Speaker 1: nice big brick house. But they thought I was really
Speaker 1: scared of it too. And she was young at the time,
Speaker 1: you know, in the early elementary school. But but she
Speaker 1: she she was a little nervous about some things and
Speaker 1: was always pay attention to that and then I had
Speaker 1: a had a lot of sounds, a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of just just just things didn't make sense. You know,
Speaker 1: you let go of one or two of those. But
Speaker 1: then then when you hear start hearing stuff pretty loud,
Speaker 1: slamming doors things like that, then you know, you know,
Speaker 1: go check it out. And I had a lot of
Speaker 1: I guess I see stuff, a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of sounds and noises, but I saw one point saw
Speaker 1: something pretty good, uh big black miss if you will.
Speaker 1: And then and I didn't really share that too much
Speaker 1: with anyone else, especially my dog, and was scared. But
Speaker 1: then we had experience. I didn't really snow here much,
Speaker 1: but it did and our h this is probably the
Speaker 1: next within a few months next when winter came around.
Speaker 1: But that's a really weird experience where we're all looking
Speaker 1: out the win it's the snow day kids of all
Speaker 1: school and this and that, and we don't have any
Speaker 1: of those. But it was pretty exciting. And we lived
Speaker 1: on the like the waln the hill near the coast,
Speaker 1: so all the kids were coming through the backyard to
Speaker 1: go sledding. So we're doing that. And then my youngest
Speaker 1: daughter and I, well she's the oldest art now. But
Speaker 1: we were looking out the wind now and we're like, huh,
Speaker 1: these guys are walking around their yard. It is fenced in.
Speaker 1: There's a guy all of a sudden, it was literally
Speaker 1: like a minute or two since we were looked and
Speaker 1: we looked back and this guy standing like fifty feet
Speaker 1: in our yard looking up at the tree. And we
Speaker 1: were just like, what's he doing there? We're liked, we
Speaker 1: know him, you know, just looking through that, you know.
Speaker 1: And and literally I said, stay stay here, look at
Speaker 1: that at the window, and I'm gonna go out there
Speaker 1: and talked to him. By the time I got to
Speaker 1: the door, he disappeared. My daughter and everyone else studying
Speaker 1: the day, she's terrified. It was really strangely, really strange.
Speaker 1: There's no ways, so we'll get to that. So that
Speaker 1: was that sounds kind of it's just paranormal. Same house.
Speaker 1: We had a one place on the back jack patio actually,
Speaker 1: but the uh, every so often you get this like
Speaker 1: all this weird perfume. It's it's very strange. There's an
Speaker 1: old cemitary bar in that house too. I don't choose
Speaker 1: by cemeteries, but they happened to be one there too.
Speaker 1: But I'm not sure if I did do with it,
Speaker 1: but there's weird sentence, perfume. And then this ties into
Speaker 1: the same daughter. One night, I was still awake working
Speaker 1: and she was asleep, and I heard the doors closed
Speaker 1: all outside and the doors closed and went to look
Speaker 1: for her and couldn't find her anywhere. She was just
Speaker 1: not there. Big house, you know, four better, four betters bonus.
Speaker 1: But but anyway, I couldn't find her, and you know,
Speaker 1: parents are crazy, terrified, you know, I just said, what happened?
Speaker 1: Where did she go in the front door? Whatever? But
Speaker 1: so police at this point. And then I said, uh,
Speaker 1: my wife was looking and couldn't find her, and I
Speaker 1: was like, let me look one more time, and I
Speaker 1: went back up in her room. She was there, but
Speaker 1: she wasn't. She was laying on top of her bit
Speaker 1: for her comforter, and she was sitting in a fetal
Speaker 1: position and saying the woman with the food box, the
Speaker 1: one with the food box. No idea with that, man,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, chills right now, no idea what that meant.
Speaker 1: But kind of shook her out of it a little bit,
Speaker 1: like where did you go out? She had no recollection
Speaker 1: of it, zero nothing, and she the other sho was perfume,
Speaker 1: she said, the little with food bucks, the Wanean food bucks,
Speaker 1: the perfume, perfume, and and that probably does not do
Speaker 1: with what I've what I've noticed, but but at the
Speaker 1: end of the day kind of we did a little
Speaker 1: research and found out that there was there's a story
Speaker 1: about that from about one hundred and twenty years ago,
Speaker 1: but but she had no recollection, and it was it
Speaker 1: was pretty terrifying. She uh, it was almost like a
Speaker 1: I guess a sleep walking verse out of body experience.
Speaker 1: But she had no idea where she went. We didn't
Speaker 1: know what she wanted it. We probably walked in the
Speaker 1: other direction where she was, but it was it was
Speaker 1: really it was scary. It was really scary. So I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's any do with the dog and
Speaker 1: stuff either, but it just certainly opens you up to
Speaker 1: knowing there's a lot more going on than yeah, the
Speaker 1: day to day, if you will.
Speaker 2: It does open the up some awfully frightening experiences. And
Speaker 2: it makes me wonder if you think that those experiences,
Speaker 2: at least to a certain degree, might have prepped you
Speaker 2: for the dog man encounters.
Speaker 1: Think about that too, you know, I mentioned the hyper
Speaker 1: vigilance is by the best of earlier but just that
Speaker 1: it's almost like it's opening a door. And I've wondered
Speaker 1: that many times. There. Maybe they're not different. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say they're very different. Maybe they're not. I mean
Speaker 1: maybe you know what we spoke before I was even
Speaker 1: talking about is almost their paranormal feature or harsh portion
Speaker 1: of this, which I don't think anybody knows. But it's just, uh,
Speaker 1: it certainly seems like I want to a door opens,
Speaker 1: then you know, hard to close you will.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how it normally is, especially when you open
Speaker 2: up a door like that. Yeah, it's not good at all. Well,
Speaker 2: let's get to the listener's questions from the live chat.
Speaker 2: The first one is from Andre's Cisalez and Andres wants
Speaker 2: to know, did you or anyone in your home get
Speaker 2: very sick after any of the encounters.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. No, I don't think so. Trying
Speaker 1: to make sure I'm not missing it, and I don't
Speaker 1: think so. Uh no, I see. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The reason why I was asking is sometimes that's how
Speaker 2: it happens. After having a cryptid around, people can get sick.
Speaker 2: Don't know if that's infrasound or maybe something else, but
Speaker 2: it does happen sometimes.
Speaker 1: Next, well, let me rephrase that real quickly. Though I
Speaker 1: personally have had not evention. It was not immediate, but
Speaker 1: I've had some strange health problems since around that this
Speaker 1: all started. I have don't know it's for later or not,
Speaker 1: but they were more delayed, long term stuff I still
Speaker 1: deal with that happened around after the time of this,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't an immediate illness. As that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, sometimes it happens that way. It's hard to explain.
Speaker 2: Maybe they are connected, like I said, but I guess
Speaker 2: we're never going to know. This next question is from
Speaker 2: Lori Mass and Laurie wants to know if a government
Speaker 2: let you know since you were a child that brings.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what she means here that brings are real.
Speaker 2: I guess she's saying that these things are real and
Speaker 2: that you only get to see them if they want
Speaker 2: you to. They are always around. Do you think that
Speaker 2: you would have been traumatized?
Speaker 1: Great question. I don't know. It's one that I wish
Speaker 1: they would tell me the hand. Maybe it was better
Speaker 1: to be in the dark, but I guess those of
Speaker 1: us that have the encounter that we're not in the dark.
Speaker 1: So I guess my answer is, yeah, I wish I
Speaker 1: was told before, but uh, that's uh, that's if that's
Speaker 1: the case. But yeah, I don't A tough question. I
Speaker 1: am personally one that would like to know. I would
Speaker 1: rather know good, bad, ugly, and not live in a
Speaker 1: box where, you know, might more comfortable, but I would
Speaker 1: rather know. So they answered that is I would yes,
Speaker 1: I would like to know.
Speaker 2: It might seem like a given that anyone would want
Speaker 2: to know that these guys are out there and that
Speaker 2: would help them deal in a healthier way, but there
Speaker 2: are people who will tell you point blank that they
Speaker 2: would much rather not know, just be oblivious that these
Speaker 2: things are out there. So you never really know someone's
Speaker 2: going to answer that question. You really don't. This next
Speaker 2: question for you, Jared, is from Lily Lewis, and Lily
Speaker 2: wants to know, Jared, do you feel like they want
Speaker 2: a relationship. I think she means a relationship with you
Speaker 2: because you were the landowner.
Speaker 1: Oh I was gonna say, yeah, I kind of do
Speaker 1: with the relationship part. I'm not sure why that is,
Speaker 1: but it being the landowner. I don't know. I hadn't
Speaker 1: thought about that before. We kind of like the mark
Speaker 1: of thing, the mark term we used earlier. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: do feel like they want a relationship. But as far
Speaker 1: as being the landowner or not, I guess the fact
Speaker 1: is everyone had an encounter. I haven't owned the property,
Speaker 1: so maybe well, I don't know, but almost like it
Speaker 1: was like land maybe that was theirs or I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that, but I do think they
Speaker 1: want a relationship with people. They have encounters, and that's
Speaker 1: just that's my opinion.
Speaker 2: Please keep in mind that property owner, that's a human thing.
Speaker 2: I don't think these guys, I don't think sasquatch animals period.
Speaker 2: They just don't recognize ownership. I mean, you're.
Speaker 1: Here, they had it before we did, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. They see They probably see all the
Speaker 2: outdoor areas their property, their territory, and you just happen
Speaker 2: to dwell in whenever you come outside. So as far
Speaker 2: as being a landowner, I don't think that's a paradigm
Speaker 2: that they share. I really don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was thinking about being on the lane. I
Speaker 1: guess it's the better way to think that. But anyway, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: not sure. I'm not sure if they move around a
Speaker 1: lot or you know, I'm presume they do because my
Speaker 1: first encounter was a place I've lived there for a
Speaker 1: few years or this happened, it was not very rural area,
Speaker 1: So I don't know that they're yeah, transient or not,
Speaker 1: but it's that might have something to do with the
Speaker 1: land occupy land park. Well.
Speaker 2: I think, like any of the large predator, these guys
Speaker 2: are obligate carnivores. But like any have a large predator,
Speaker 2: I think it's a given they're going to have a
Speaker 2: huge home range. If they stay in one area too long,
Speaker 2: they're going to deplete the resources in that area almost overnight.
Speaker 2: So it's a given they're going to have to move around,
Speaker 2: and eventually they'll come back into the same area, but
Speaker 2: it's probably going to be a while before they do.
Speaker 2: In most cases, sometimes they do stay in one spot
Speaker 2: longer than expected, longer than normal. But yeah, that definitely
Speaker 2: does seem to be the exception and not the norm.
Speaker 2: This next question for you is from Anne Console, and
Speaker 2: Ann wants to know did Jerry mention seeing a tail?
Speaker 1: No, I didn't. I did not see a hell I
Speaker 1: My perspective was I saw not quite head on probably
Speaker 1: twenty thirty degrees to the side, so I saw the
Speaker 1: side profile and from front, but I could not see
Speaker 1: it a tail or not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had so much going on that you're doing
Speaker 2: good to know your own name. You're just trying to
Speaker 2: get the heck out of there, and talking about you
Speaker 2: getting the heck out of there running at top speed.
Speaker 2: Have you come to terms with the fact now that
Speaker 2: you weren't running for your life, that you didn't save
Speaker 2: yourself that night, that it was just messing with you
Speaker 2: by coming after you.
Speaker 1: Yes, I have now, I say yes I have. Instead
Speaker 1: of a process and and and everyone else that shares
Speaker 1: these things that I listened to, you know religiously, if
Speaker 1: you will and your show and speak with you too,
Speaker 1: it all helps. It helps you understand that I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that it's tonight or tomorrow's happen again. I will
Speaker 1: not have a sill experience, but it won't haunt me.
Speaker 1: It won't it won't hold me down like it did
Speaker 1: in the past. Yes, is the answer that question.
Speaker 2: Well, that's really good news. I tell the listeners to
Speaker 2: help the eyewitnesses so much more than they're ever going
Speaker 2: to know or appreciate well, it's definitely appreciated here and
Speaker 2: by the listeners. Count on that. I'm sorry, it's counted.
Speaker 2: It's appreciated by me and the eyewitnesses. I should have
Speaker 2: said this. Next question for you, Jared is from Marta
Speaker 2: Magdalena and Marta wants to know if you see one once,
Speaker 2: you're more likely to see them again. Makes you wonder
Speaker 2: why is it because you are more aware or because
Speaker 2: they're after you? I guess it's more of a statement
Speaker 2: more so than anything. If there is a twist of
Speaker 2: a question to that, Yeah, that's a question we're never
Speaker 2: going to be able to answer. All we can do
Speaker 2: is basically guess about that. Next question for you is
Speaker 2: from Andre's Carazalees and Andres wants to know did you
Speaker 2: get any nightmares that felt too real to be dreams?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes I did, and I still have them occasionally.
Speaker 1: I don't have the same theories to have, but but
Speaker 1: I yes, I've absolutely had some people called lucid dreams.
Speaker 1: I haven't been plagued by them like some people have heard.
Speaker 1: But it's and this is this actually relates right back
Speaker 1: to the fact of like the wanting relationship with you,
Speaker 1: because it's it's my dreams have gone from very terrifying
Speaker 1: to oh you're here again, if that makes sense. And
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't want you to hear, but I'm
Speaker 1: not as scared anymore. But I have them. I mean
Speaker 1: I've gone maybe months without one. I don't have them
Speaker 1: all the time, but I will have them, and I
Speaker 1: had one were very recently a few days ago. But what,
Speaker 1: I'm not as terrified anymore. But so and as far
Speaker 1: as the fact that doesn't feel like a real dreamy,
Speaker 1: absolutely it's not. It's it's much easier to be aware
Speaker 1: of your surroundings in the dreams with these guys the
Speaker 1: dogument as opposed to other dreams that I have job
Speaker 1: will dream very night, but where you don't, at least
Speaker 1: for me, I don't have as much control or awareness
Speaker 1: as I do with these dreams. So I think the
Speaker 1: answer to that is absolutely yes.
Speaker 2: The part of your brain that handles your ability to
Speaker 2: reason switches off when you're asleep, So that's why you
Speaker 2: have dreams and you wake up and you think, what
Speaker 2: in the world was that about. I mean, when you're awake,
Speaker 2: what happened to you in the dream you would just
Speaker 2: instantly recognize is just off, it's not right. But when
Speaker 2: you're asleep, unless you refine your abilities for being able
Speaker 2: to lucid dream, that is, you're not going to be
Speaker 2: able to make sense of things and a lot of
Speaker 2: cases or control what's going on. But yeah, when you
Speaker 2: wake up, that's when you really need to focus on
Speaker 2: seeing what happened for what it really was, and seeing
Speaker 2: these guys as accurately as possible for what they're likely
Speaker 2: to do and what they're not likely to do. Again,
Speaker 2: you can never think for one of these things, and
Speaker 2: you are going to have deviant ones that are dangerous
Speaker 2: and will harm you if they get the opportunity. But
Speaker 2: like I've said countless times, ones like that are definitely
Speaker 2: the exception, not the norm, so please keep that in mind.
Speaker 2: The next question for you is from me. I think
Speaker 2: it's me pronounced me me grave Guard or me grab Guard.
Speaker 2: Was it the same one that you and your wife saw?
Speaker 2: I think they're asking about this most recent one that
Speaker 2: you said you thought might have been bigger.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, as we're in a it's a
Speaker 1: different location, and yes, it seemed the It's just so
Speaker 1: hard to say, but I mean it's been what more
Speaker 1: than a half years and I I think it's different.
Speaker 1: But I mean, if it's the same one, it's even
Speaker 1: scarier than they do have a relationships with. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but also in five years, maybe got bigger. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what my my my instinct is it's different,
Speaker 1: not it's the same one. If that, yeah, that's my
Speaker 1: I don't have a gut feeling with the same one.
Speaker 2: Yeah that could be a good thing, that could be
Speaker 2: a bad thing. If it's the same one, then okay,
Speaker 2: he's coming back around again. If it's a different one, Okay,
Speaker 2: you've had an encounter with more than one dog man,
Speaker 2: You've got a new one in the area, so yeah,
Speaker 2: pick your poison.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, that is that is a little terrifying because you know,
Speaker 1: I fact is I did make it to the house
Speaker 1: that first time, and and I'm okay, so you know
Speaker 1: this new the new one. It is a little it's
Speaker 1: hopefully he's hopefully the same one, right you said, or
Speaker 1: I just I don't have a read on that. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not.
Speaker 2: Going to give you the warm and fuzzies to think, Okay,
Speaker 2: well maybe it is another dog man, But I mean
Speaker 2: there is a silver lining in this and all this,
Speaker 2: I mean you've already come to accept the fact that
Speaker 2: this dog man, the one you saw in the cemetery,
Speaker 2: it could have caught you if it wanted to. That night,
Speaker 2: it allowed you to make it into the house. Well,
Speaker 2: you saw it that close to your house. That means
Speaker 2: that guy, he's probably seen you more times than you'd
Speaker 2: ever believe. You'd probably vomit if you had a clue
Speaker 2: about half the encounters, half the times that thing's been
Speaker 2: around watching you, monitoring you. But it's never harmed you.
Speaker 2: It never harmed you any of those times it was
Speaker 2: watching you. It didn't harm you that night when it
Speaker 2: chased you. The one that you heard walking around that
Speaker 2: you think might have been bigger than that first one.
Speaker 2: It knew you were before you knew it was there.
Speaker 2: It didn't harm you that night. And just like the
Speaker 2: one you saw the first time around, I'm sure that
Speaker 2: one's been watching you, monitoring you more times than you'd
Speaker 2: ever believe. It hasn't harmed you. So, like I told
Speaker 2: you in that first conversation, as long as you see
Speaker 2: your experiences for what they really were, how they actually
Speaker 2: played out, and consequently what these guys showed you were
Speaker 2: their intentions with their actions. As long as you focus
Speaker 2: on the truth, in other words, you can definitely deal
Speaker 2: with this and make this get to the point where
Speaker 2: instead of thinking back on the experiences is oh my god,
Speaker 2: oh my god, oh my god, you can think back
Speaker 2: on these experiences and say, huh wow, that sure was
Speaker 2: something else. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Makes a ton of sense to me, And it did
Speaker 1: kind of kee me in on tying a few other
Speaker 1: parts of this conversation together that you know, you asked
Speaker 1: about the paranormal experiences too. I've always questioned whether the
Speaker 1: dog man has a paranormal aspect, if you will, because
Speaker 1: I don't anyone who was just you know, pays any
Speaker 1: attention to this paranormal stuff that you the feed on
Speaker 1: energy and fear and if you believe that, I just
Speaker 1: know a lot of people say that. So it almost
Speaker 1: feels to me like it's like it's that way with
Speaker 1: dog men, where obviously it could have got me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it could, you know, you hear about a lot more
Speaker 1: if they wanted to get a lot of people. But
Speaker 1: you know, it's a there's it's it's almost like the salouming.
Speaker 1: It's almost like the fear keeps them going. They enjoy it,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I know, like people said, kind
Speaker 1: of get a smile or smart and I actually got
Speaker 1: the first one. I had a kind of I don't
Speaker 1: know if he was trying to show his teeth to
Speaker 1: eat me or if he's smiling or not. But I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's almost it's almost like they it
Speaker 1: kind of feels like there's a pleasure about creating fear.
Speaker 2: They do seem to feed off of it. Yeah, Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: this next question for you is from an console and
Speaker 2: Ian wants to know. Not to be too nosy, but
Speaker 2: were you ever involved with Ouiji boards or tiro cards
Speaker 2: or palm readings?
Speaker 1: No? Absolutely no, No.
Speaker 2: That's good. Yeah, that's a common threat. It seems like
Speaker 2: whenever I ask an eye witness if they have ever
Speaker 2: played with those, in a lot of cases, in most
Speaker 2: cases it seems like they say yes, So I'm glad
Speaker 2: you have it.
Speaker 1: That stuff scares me. I do think, based on the
Speaker 1: house I've told you about in the paranel experiences, that
Speaker 1: I've encountered some things that might have opened the door,
Speaker 1: but I've never intentionally done it. Absolutely not.
Speaker 2: That's good. Yeah, that's very good. This next question up
Speaker 2: is from Shannon Uminaser in Shannon, Hey, Shannon. Her question
Speaker 2: is did he say exactly where his encounters happened? What county?
Speaker 2: And of course you don't have to answer that if
Speaker 2: you don't want to, you don't want to.
Speaker 1: North Carolina, Southeast North Carolina is is is what I'm
Speaker 1: comfortable saying.
Speaker 2: All right, easy enough. The next one for you is
Speaker 2: from Scott B. And he wants to know. I guess
Speaker 2: it's more of a statement nobody would go camping or
Speaker 2: visit the national parks. A lot of money is lost
Speaker 2: by the government my opinion, talking about if they actually
Speaker 2: let the cat out of the bag that cryptids are
Speaker 2: out there, especially dog men. Yeah, they don't want that
Speaker 2: to happen, that's for sure. The next question, the next
Speaker 2: question for you is from Kamala and Kimala wants to
Speaker 2: know what color were their eyes and fur?
Speaker 1: Completely the amber. I didn't even know the exact color
Speaker 1: until after I looked it up and it was the
Speaker 1: most strongest amber I've ever seen. I know some people
Speaker 1: say they're red and it's not. They were amber and
Speaker 1: they were just they were fiercing amber. The best I
Speaker 1: can say the fur I want to say black, could
Speaker 1: have been dark brown. I didn't see any gray, but
Speaker 1: it might have been really dark brown. But I want
Speaker 1: to say dark brown, really dark brown. But it could
Speaker 1: have been black too, because that was, you know what,
Speaker 1: letting cloud cover go around the moon, you know, and
Speaker 1: the hurricane time and the one, the one recently is
Speaker 1: definitely black, but the first one, I think it might
Speaker 1: have been dark brown.
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, you had so much going on.
Speaker 2: You thought you were trying to save your skin from
Speaker 2: this thing. You thought it was going to try and
Speaker 2: rip you apart. So you're doing really good to pick
Speaker 2: up any details about these guys. I'm impressed.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's amazing what your mind can do and
Speaker 1: not split second when you're terrified, and how much you remember,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's so well, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like you took I You could do that every day.
Speaker 2: It's like you took a picture. Oh no, you're fine. Yeah,
Speaker 2: when you're panicked like that, it's like your mind takes
Speaker 2: a picture, a snapshot of what you see, and it's
Speaker 2: burned into your mind. So yeah, that does make sense.
Speaker 2: This next one for you is from Beverly Jaeger, and
Speaker 2: she wants to know how tall it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first one is I'm over six feet and
Speaker 1: it was it was seven at least. I could not
Speaker 1: get a read on the one I've seen recently, but
Speaker 1: I do think it's bigger. I don't know nate seven
Speaker 1: to eight, but the first one was certainly. My best
Speaker 1: estimate is about seven seven happened. It was stretched out,
Speaker 1: it was laid down, so I couldn't really tell exactly
Speaker 1: it was too big, but it was. It wasn't enormous,
Speaker 1: but I mean it was. It was a very big
Speaker 1: human size under that, so very big.
Speaker 2: So it wasn't big for a dog man, but it
Speaker 2: was still big at the same time. I mean seven
Speaker 2: eight feet that's big. Yeah, yeah it is. The next
Speaker 2: one up is from Christine Robesek, and her question is
Speaker 2: did it feel like it was going to attack you?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? I mean yes. I mean my first count that
Speaker 1: I got and run, I mean I I felt like
Speaker 1: I had an intending doom even before I saw it,
Speaker 1: and it was it was terrifying. I I didn't think
Speaker 1: I would make it four hundred yards just to presume safety.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that was a given that you thought it
Speaker 2: was going to attack you. That's what These guys are
Speaker 2: masterful at They know how to push our buttons. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's one of the many unfortunate things about these guys.
Speaker 2: They know how to get a response out of us.
Speaker 2: They really do. So I've got no doubts you thought that,
Speaker 2: and yet every reason to think that too. The next
Speaker 2: one is from Todd Bettina, and Todd wants to know
Speaker 2: what came to mind when you first saw the dog man.
Speaker 2: What did you think it was? Did it look ancient?
Speaker 2: Good question?
Speaker 1: Again, I was. It just had this massive intending doom
Speaker 1: fear that came over me before I saw it, and
Speaker 1: I walking around the car, and then I didn't want
Speaker 1: to even look, but I saw something to look at, uh,
Speaker 1: And I I remember thinking first thought was, oh, there's odd. Wow,
Speaker 1: why is that animal out Here's probably coyote out here
Speaker 1: in this storm and it's crazy. But then I noticed
Speaker 1: it's way too dig The odds are too digg. Then
Speaker 1: the moonshine came on it. So once I actually saw
Speaker 1: it was I didn't know it was a dog man.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know now, but I mean it was
Speaker 1: I was expecting to see a kyote or a fox
Speaker 1: or you know, possum or something, but it was once
Speaker 1: I saw the size of this thing, I was I
Speaker 1: was just that isn't supposed to be. It doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: Run That's that's what's going through my mind.
Speaker 2: So that and tons of other things as well. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: countless things and understandably. So the next question for you
Speaker 2: is from yappie band Joe, and he wants to know
Speaker 2: or she wants to know, have you ever had the
Speaker 2: feeling or strong desire to go into the woods even
Speaker 2: though maybe you didn't want to.
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna speculator here that that is there's
Speaker 1: an intrigue about this with me. Yes, I have an
Speaker 1: intrigue about this stuff now, But I also I've never
Speaker 1: felt compelled to walk. Well maybe a little bit, but
Speaker 1: there's not not overwhelming, not overwhelming, But but I am
Speaker 1: very intrigued and and I could say I could. I
Speaker 1: can feel a pull, but never it's not to the
Speaker 1: point where I'd stop what I'm doing to go. You know?
Speaker 1: Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: That does make sense?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The reason why they're asking that is sometimes it seems
Speaker 2: like sasquads use ultrasound to make people do things that
Speaker 2: they normally wouldn't do under their own accord. So I
Speaker 2: think they're wondering if maybe this dog man might have
Speaker 2: hit you with ultrasound on an occasion where you found
Speaker 2: yourself doing something that was against your best interest or
Speaker 2: something you normally wouldn't do. I think that's where that
Speaker 2: question came from.
Speaker 1: And I will pause and and and and stop. And
Speaker 1: there is a draw, there is a pull, but so
Speaker 1: far i've not it's not been overwhelming, but there is
Speaker 1: definitely a poll.
Speaker 2: So anyway, yep, yeah, sometimes it happens that way. Beverly
Speaker 2: Jaeger is next question. She wants to know, have you
Speaker 2: ever thought of giving it a peace offering.
Speaker 1: One? I don't know if we if we're not at
Speaker 1: peace or not, but and I wouldn't know how to
Speaker 1: do that, but that's a great idea. I'm not sure how.
Speaker 1: I never thought about how to do that, but that'd
Speaker 1: be great if I could. I never really thought about it.
Speaker 2: Though there's a researcher out there who recommends that eyewitnesses
Speaker 2: do that, I'm going to highly recommend against that. These guys,
Speaker 2: they are so up and down as far as their
Speaker 2: emotions and how they respond to things. I would definitely
Speaker 2: recommend against doing that because Okay, if you start putting
Speaker 2: offerings out there on a pattern, for example, well every Tuesday, Well,
Speaker 2: what happens if a Tuesday comes around and you don't
Speaker 2: put an offering out there because whatever, you're sick? If
Speaker 2: something happens, you're visiting family out of town, how's it
Speaker 2: going to respond? Is it going to take that as
Speaker 2: a slight And the last thing you want on your
Speaker 2: hands is a dog man that feels slighted. So that's
Speaker 2: just one of the many reasons I'm going to recommend
Speaker 2: against every even beginning that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: I can't agree with you more. That's actually a relevant
Speaker 1: topic where I live now. People are feeding alligators and
Speaker 1: then they don't have their food. They get angry. Well
Speaker 1: they've been fine for one hundred years here. But you
Speaker 1: just don't do it, you know, don't you know, don't
Speaker 1: start it?
Speaker 2: Definitely, Yeah, don't start none. The won't be none. Well
Speaker 2: if these guys, I guess there is going to be some.
Speaker 2: But you know, why put a situation in place where
Speaker 2: you're increasing the odds of having a problem.
Speaker 1: Flam the fire right, No, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: The next one is from true heart. They want to
Speaker 2: know if it mind.
Speaker 1: Spoke to you. I felt like things slowed down. But
Speaker 1: again it was such a maybe before, like before I
Speaker 1: even saw it, because they gosh, I'm getting chills again
Speaker 1: thinking about it. It was somehow it got my attention
Speaker 1: before I even saw the thing, and it was I
Speaker 1: didn't get any words, any verbalization. I didn't recognize it anyway,
Speaker 1: but certainly got to me. I know that, but I
Speaker 1: did not as far as you did. Mine spoke. As
Speaker 1: far as speaking the language, I don't know. I didn't
Speaker 1: hear anything direct, just a feeling.
Speaker 2: There have been plenty of times where they have apparently
Speaker 2: mind spoken with eyewitnesses, but yeah, that's definitely the exception
Speaker 2: and not the norm, not the rule when it happens.
Speaker 2: So it doesn't surprise me that it didn't do that
Speaker 2: with you on any of those occasions.
Speaker 1: This next I did.
Speaker 2: I was scare to listen, but well, yeah, you understandably.
Speaker 2: So this is the last question of the night. It's
Speaker 2: from Saint Euphemia and they want to know did you
Speaker 2: ever see any They want to know if you saw
Speaker 2: it run on all fours, didn't move like any kind
Speaker 2: of animal.
Speaker 1: No, it was gliding it literally, And this is the
Speaker 1: one recently. I'm telling you, God's gotta be It's nearly
Speaker 1: a half a mile. I can see it. It seemed
Speaker 1: like it took a few steps on all fours and
Speaker 1: just almost skated across the ground in the field. It
Speaker 1: was Yes, I did see that, and it was there
Speaker 1: stretched out, very stretched out. But it was a lot
Speaker 1: of strength. I'll say that.
Speaker 2: I don't know how they do it, but sasquatch do
Speaker 2: that as well, so it's not like that's unprecedented. Well, Jared,
Speaker 2: I can't thank you enough for coming on sharing the
Speaker 2: details of these experiences with this. Of course, I really
Speaker 2: hate the fact that you had to experience these things,
Speaker 2: but you didn't ask for them. But all you can
Speaker 2: do is just try to deal with them is as
Speaker 2: healthy of a way as you can. And please remember too,
Speaker 2: if you start having trouble, I'm not going anywhere. All
Speaker 2: I have to do is just let me know and
Speaker 2: we'll just schedule another conversation. I'll find out what's sailing
Speaker 2: you and we'll take it from there.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Vick. Do you mind if I say one
Speaker 1: thing about my experience last six years with you? Oh?
Speaker 2: No, by all means, if you like to say anything, I.
Speaker 1: Just I sat back, got a little ridicule when I
Speaker 1: told local. You know, we talked about the beginning family friends.
Speaker 1: But I've been listening to you a long time. Anyone
Speaker 1: listening who's doing like what I did for six years,
Speaker 1: five six years, just getting it out in the comfortable community.
Speaker 1: It just it helps tremendously. It just does. And I'm
Speaker 1: so grateful that you're here. Have you been helpful before,
Speaker 1: but it's even more so now talking to you and
Speaker 1: just just and it's kind of putting the burden down
Speaker 1: a little bit. And I'm just really grateful for you.
Speaker 1: And I just highly encourage anyone to just got to
Speaker 1: say the community, talk about it. You know, it helps, It.
Speaker 2: Does, It definitely does. And hearing you say that, that's
Speaker 2: why I do all this. I put in all the
Speaker 2: hours and all the work. I just feel so lucky
Speaker 2: to be in a position to be able to try
Speaker 2: and help. And of course the listeners, the people who
Speaker 2: out there listening to the show, who offer all this
Speaker 2: support for you and other eyewitnesses, I know they feel
Speaker 2: the same way. Otherwise they wouldn't do it, they wouldn't
Speaker 2: help the way they do. But yeah, like I said,
Speaker 2: please remember if you ever need help in the future,
Speaker 2: please let me know.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Having said that, yeah, thanks again so much for coming
Speaker 2: on and sharing the details of those experiences and have
Speaker 2: a great Thanks.
Speaker 1: We'll see you all right.
Speaker 2: That's another one in the books. Like I've told you before,
Speaker 2: thanks again so much for listening and for supporting all
Speaker 2: the eyewitnesses. Touching on what Jared just said, if you've
Speaker 2: had a Dogman encounter that you'd like to speak with
Speaker 2: me about, whether in private or on the show, please
Speaker 2: go to dogmanencounters dot com submit a report, and if
Speaker 2: you do that then of course, if you totally complete
Speaker 2: the report, that is, want to put that out there,
Speaker 2: that qualification, then I will contact you and schedule a
Speaker 2: phone conversation with you before we get out of here. Also,
Speaker 2: please remember Monday night, nine pm Eastern Time, going to
Speaker 2: have that special bonus episode where Kim's gonna come on
Speaker 2: and tell us about this most recent encounter she's had
Speaker 2: with Imber And of course, like I said earlier, she's
Speaker 2: got this announcement. She wants to let you know about
Speaker 2: a special twist to this lighting that is going to
Speaker 2: blow you away. It sure blew me away, couldn't believe it,
Speaker 2: but thanks again so much for listening everyone, and not
Speaker 2: only have a great night, but I hope you have
Speaker 2: a great weekend. We'll catch you then on Monday,