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Speaker 4: After all that time speculating on the crackle of Saboo's bones.
Speaker 4: After we went through tables and RTLF tribute to Saboo,
Speaker 4: maybe it's time now to get back to the crackle
Speaker 4: that matters. The crackle you hear when you put a
Speaker 4: VHS in the fun Yeah, well, yeah, there's Nellie at
Speaker 4: the end. But I understand where you go inside. It's
Speaker 4: nothing like a Colosseum home video to put you right
Speaker 4: back to center. You put you right back where you
Speaker 4: ought to be and getting back in touch with why
Speaker 4: it used.
Speaker 2: To be better.
Speaker 4: And this time it's the WWF's explosive TNT Show.
Speaker 2: I don't even know where to begin with this fucking thing.
Speaker 4: I mean, I invite you to try.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is it's one of the ones where
Speaker 2: I'm you know, it's it's one of the videos I
Speaker 2: redded only because of the fact that how do I
Speaker 2: how do I break this down? You know, because I'm like,
Speaker 2: I know what the format of TNT is, and I
Speaker 2: think the TNT show is is quite fantastic, but how
Speaker 2: do you format this, you know, uh, for our show
Speaker 2: and to make it work in that in that regard,
Speaker 2: And that's the main reason why I was dreading it,
Speaker 2: and then I watch it and it's like, this is
Speaker 2: one of the most absurd things I've ever seen in
Speaker 2: my life.
Speaker 4: I mean, tell tell us why it is. I mean,
Speaker 4: the the the places it goes, yes, are are just
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's Susian, it is.
Speaker 2: It is. It's it's honestly, it's like it's like Doctor Seuss,
Speaker 2: you know, meeting Hunter S. Thompson. Right, you know that's
Speaker 2: what this is, you know, Yeah, fear and loathing in
Speaker 2: Suss in SEUs Land or whatever. Right, And because it's
Speaker 2: just it, I wonder to myself, how how did people, like,
Speaker 2: how did people watch this and still watch wrestling?
Speaker 4: Well, that's just the thing. They really weren't. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean I guess, I mean sure, surely hardcore wrestling fans
Speaker 4: watch Tuesday Night Titans.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It seems pretty clear that this show, which for a
Speaker 4: time was the number one show in USA Network, which
Speaker 4: was one of the top cable networks in the United States,
Speaker 4: such as it existed in nineteen eighty four and eighty five,
Speaker 4: you know, much more limited penetration than what we thought
Speaker 4: of as cable during the Golden years, so you know,
Speaker 4: the Hasbro years, but still got a lot of people
Speaker 4: looking at wrestling that otherwise wouldn't have just stopped on
Speaker 4: the channel if it was matches, you know, from the
Speaker 4: garden with you know, poorly lit crowds and all that.
Speaker 4: And you know, as we'll get to no less than
Speaker 4: Dick eversoll, according to the Sex, Lies and Headlocks book
Speaker 4: was turned on to you know, the wwf Irony pastiche
Speaker 4: by watching Tuesday Night Titans. Of course he's got his
Speaker 4: finger on the pulse at NBC as far as what's
Speaker 4: what's working on cable, you know, because he's also the
Speaker 4: Friday Night Videos guy and watching him the MTV development
Speaker 4: very closely. So this this show, this TNT show played
Speaker 4: no small part in what led to Saturday Nights Made
Speaker 4: event and then all of the explosive ramifications of that,
Speaker 4: as we've talked about most recently, of course, when we
Speaker 4: covered the very first Saturday Night's Made event earlier this year. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but it's a hell of a way to get at TNT.
Speaker 4: And to your point, it's such a fascinating little thing
Speaker 4: they did, and what it really is, if we're honest,
Speaker 4: is a deep psychological sketch of Vince mcmah Oh.
Speaker 2: My God is it ever. I mean, it goes into
Speaker 2: places I just I mean, namely, really that last segment,
Speaker 2: that last segment is without a doubt. You know, when
Speaker 2: you consider nineteen eighties WWE, you know, LJN Era, and
Speaker 2: they're talking about sex like, not even in hidden terms,
Speaker 2: just openly talking about sex in this mating game like
Speaker 2: not even the dating mating game sketch is just surreal.
Speaker 4: You've got Jim Knighthart and Brett Hart back when Brett
Speaker 4: was still like so bashful about promos that he always
Speaker 4: had his sunglasses on and very young guy at the time.
Speaker 2: In a slight defense, they all had their sunglasses on
Speaker 2: for this one.
Speaker 4: I wonder why.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: See, I mean, Brett's got the coke jaw. I'm not
Speaker 4: afraid to say it, He's got lockjaw when he's trying
Speaker 4: to deliver these lines oh yeah, and talk about oh yeah.
Speaker 4: The Mating Game Boss.
Speaker 2: Just bizarre. I mean it was, I mean, I you know,
Speaker 2: one of the ones that what I guess is really
Speaker 2: impressive too, is that for the most part, all this stuff,
Speaker 2: for the most part, there's surely some repeats that we've
Speaker 2: seen on previous video cassettes, and I know, We specifically
Speaker 2: did the the Piper Christmas Carol thing for from All
Speaker 2: American Wrestling when we did that Christmas episode of that,
Speaker 2: but everything else like there are no there are really
Speaker 2: no repeats outside of that and the the We've seen
Speaker 2: some of the Morocco Fuji stuff, yes, in the past,
Speaker 2: but my god, it is I was. I was speechless,
Speaker 2: honestly at like, you know, I mean, you know, I
Speaker 2: try to pull I try to pull bites, and it's like,
Speaker 2: how can I pull bites? I get to pull the
Speaker 2: whole fucking segment for some of these things. I mean,
Speaker 2: because there isn't just one There isn't just one thing.
Speaker 2: It's like we've got this entire this, this entire sketch
Speaker 2: skit whatever, that is just ludicrous.
Speaker 4: I'll spring it on you now. Watching this preparing for
Speaker 4: this episode, I'm like, we have there. There might just
Speaker 4: be a Tuesday I think there just might be a
Speaker 4: Tuesday Night special for TLF listeners in the New York
Speaker 4: Few have to be, might have to be because this
Speaker 4: has Honestly, if we're gonna if we're gonna figure out Vince,
Speaker 4: I mean, he's behind that desk playing Johnny Carson all
Speaker 4: of the skits or things he would find funny. He's
Speaker 4: there reacting in real time and cackling at the things
Speaker 4: he thinks should be the beats where people laugh, which
Speaker 4: nine times out of ten is not when the normal
Speaker 4: human being would laugh. And his word choice is there,
Speaker 4: his verbosity, his foolishness, his way over the top dress
Speaker 4: like white dress, shoes with incredibly baggy pants. SHAWNA. Sale
Speaker 4: put it well, he said he looked like a guy
Speaker 4: who was being fitted for a suit for the first time. Yes,
Speaker 4: that's how he wore the suit back then. But this
Speaker 4: was Vince. This is Vince unleashed. Yeah, in this corner
Speaker 4: of television on cables. He's now consolidated his control. His
Speaker 4: father's passed away, and he can do whatever he wants
Speaker 4: with these over the top gimmicks that he's got the
Speaker 4: cash to pay. And my god, does he make them
Speaker 4: do so many things? Make them is you know? I'm
Speaker 4: sure they were glad to participate, but it was just
Speaker 4: such an unusual skin for a pro wrestler to wear,
Speaker 4: especially a locker room full of guys who had made
Speaker 4: oh yeah, you know, gotten over to the max degree
Speaker 4: in all of the traditional territories and never called upon
Speaker 4: to do anything like this. Really we get Morocco, we
Speaker 4: get Fuji Vice on this tape.
Speaker 2: Do we not? We get we get Fuji Vice. We
Speaker 2: also get I mean all the segments are just biz.
Speaker 2: Like you know, you see the Western you see, which
Speaker 2: is I thought was kind of fitting, you know, giving
Speaker 2: me this touch on on on westerns and uh, the
Speaker 2: soap opera sketch and like I just was, this is
Speaker 2: so busy and like Morocco of all people, and and
Speaker 2: the going to Hollywood, and like I, I, you know
Speaker 2: when when what what I guess was also very bizarre.
Speaker 2: Is I'm looking at it from being a viewer, and
Speaker 2: I think of, you know, during our you know, during
Speaker 2: like the attitude or even even beforehand, you know, you
Speaker 2: were aware, you were aware of like the idea that
Speaker 2: there's a camera everywhere, right, and the idea that cameras
Speaker 2: are catching things behind the scenes. And so I appreciate
Speaker 2: the idea that yes, they're they're they're trying to get
Speaker 2: you know, they're following Morocco and Fuji, but it's done
Speaker 2: more like you know, the the hidden camera version of
Speaker 2: w W, like from I mean honestly up till now,
Speaker 2: really where they're you're watching filmed things as if you know,
Speaker 2: the camera's not there, you know, like you're watching a movie.
Speaker 4: Right, that's a fuji pvice is it's them trying?
Speaker 2: Yeah right, well, I mean but even like going to
Speaker 2: Hollywood and stuff like that, whole thing is like it's
Speaker 2: not done in a way like here, let's you know,
Speaker 2: let's oh, here they are, we're gonna find them. Let's
Speaker 2: let's get this footage should we get to It's more
Speaker 2: like here, we're gonna set up a shot and we're
Speaker 2: gonna watch them scheme to get into this, into this studio. Yes,
Speaker 2: you know. It's like it's not like if that were
Speaker 2: if you were catching somebody do that, you wouldn't catch
Speaker 2: them saying those words. You know, they'd be like you, like,
Speaker 2: can you get away? Please? Just say you know, but
Speaker 2: it's done in this Yeah, I don't know, I'm making
Speaker 2: no sense. It's just a lot of well.
Speaker 4: They're figuring out their sense of perspective, like when Vince
Speaker 4: with a mic needs to be there and not Vince
Speaker 4: is certainly there with a mic at the big ass
Speaker 4: fucking Dory funk Brisket site.
Speaker 2: Which we oh, you're damn fucking right, he is took
Speaker 2: a good.
Speaker 4: Look at during the Lapsed Funk because while Terry Funk
Speaker 4: doesn't feature in that segment, it's him and it's story
Speaker 4: and Jimmy Jack or Hossfunk as Dory was called. Of
Speaker 4: course at the time, it was definitely part and parcel
Speaker 4: of what they wanted you to think the Funks were.
Speaker 4: And for Vince it was all caricature. You know, these
Speaker 4: guys had like real backgrounds in real histories. You know,
Speaker 4: Don Morocco really is from Hawaii and he it really
Speaker 4: is a serfhead. But my god, like does he over
Speaker 4: does Vince just take that and make it an absolute,
Speaker 4: over the top, overwhelming characteristic of a guy who was,
Speaker 4: you know, a multifaceted wrestling performer, to say nothing of
Speaker 4: Dory Funk Junior, a former n WA World Champion, one
Speaker 4: of the preest wrestling stars the country had produced in
Speaker 4: the seventies, and he's just reduced to like wearing a
Speaker 4: you know, essentially a dunce cap.
Speaker 2: He's right, and and and basically just a barbecue.
Speaker 4: I understand that. And you got Vince making all that
Speaker 4: that's why we have to do this' well, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm not actually from Texas. All my exes are. However,
Speaker 4: so you talk about serendipity in terms of that Western theme,
Speaker 4: what about the serendipity that is we reach WWF's most
Speaker 4: explosive tn T show in our Colosseum collection, which, for
Speaker 4: the uninitiated is our mission to watch every single WWF
Speaker 4: Colosseum home video release in order an occasional series. It's
Speaker 4: not like we're not going to stop until but it's
Speaker 4: definitely something that we love to pop our heads back
Speaker 4: in on when we need a little cleanse. And and
Speaker 4: so what what are the fact that we reached this tape?
Speaker 4: Just as Netflix announces it's developing a scripted wrestling drama
Speaker 4: called Tuesday Night Titans. I'm sure it'll be great. I'm
Speaker 4: sure wrestling fans will love it.
Speaker 2: I'm sure yes. And that's all we want, you know,
Speaker 2: And that's all what we What the w needs for sure,
Speaker 2: and what wrestling fans need is more product.
Speaker 4: The executive produced by Michael Noteoreli, who was formerly a
Speaker 4: writer on Raw apparently along with John.
Speaker 2: That alone is that alone is fucking It's just nauseating
Speaker 2: that he's a writer on Raw, even to this day,
Speaker 2: even though it's been twenty years, more than twenty years
Speaker 2: that they've had writers. It's like, fuck me, I know.
Speaker 4: I can't get used to calling them writers. I really can't.
Speaker 4: This article says, well, the show shares the name of
Speaker 4: wwwe's talk variety show from the mid nineteen eighties. The
Speaker 4: report notes from Deadline that the new series has no
Speaker 4: connection to that project. Yeah, well this does this will.
Speaker 4: It's so funny that Nitro ended up on TNT. And
Speaker 4: like you see, t the first time wrestling fans were
Speaker 4: encountered with TNT was Vince's fucking Crazy Fever Dreams right
Speaker 4: here we are. But yeah, looking forward to that. And
Speaker 4: we take a look at the video jacket as we're
Speaker 4: wont to do on these Colisseum home video releases, and
Speaker 4: it's kind of a beauty. It's got like it's got
Speaker 4: almost this militaristic type face. The TNT is almost in
Speaker 4: the fashion of, like, I don't know, platoon or something.
Speaker 4: It makes me think of warfare.
Speaker 2: Well, that's kind of I mean, yeah, you think of that,
Speaker 2: You think of that stenciling on a on a on
Speaker 2: a on a crate, on a wooden crate.
Speaker 4: With a bit of a like a bomb, and it
Speaker 4: says explosive across it. This must have been a very
Speaker 4: strange tape to an encounter at the video store. Now
Speaker 4: it's like, what the hell is a TNT show? These matches?
Speaker 2: Like, are they bombing people? I don't understand what's going
Speaker 2: on there? Are they bombing people or what?
Speaker 4: Also to me kind of a sign that they're running
Speaker 4: dry on ideas for videotapes. You know, it's like, we
Speaker 4: got all this stuff we did for.
Speaker 2: T they're not yet. They're actually in a way it
Speaker 2: actually kind of looks like like raw. Actually it does.
Speaker 2: It looks like I think we just found yeahs war, Yeah,
Speaker 2: right right, this is the exact typeface in ras War.
Speaker 2: That's a great catch. We can now we can now
Speaker 2: take credit as having discovered that connection. Look at that
Speaker 2: yep as it reads your favorite WWF stars in and
Speaker 2: out of the ring, So an emphasis in the fact
Speaker 2: that you're gonna get But if you pick up a
Speaker 2: wrestling VHSDA been eighty five at your video store and
Speaker 2: on the back it says Roddy Evanezer Piper, the ultimate Scrooge. Like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck is that supposed to mean? I don't
Speaker 2: know if it attracts me or detracts me. It's fine.
Speaker 2: I don't understand. I get it. You don't get it.
Speaker 2: I get it. Everyone got it.
Speaker 4: Captain Loui Albano and George the Animal Steel prepare Christmas
Speaker 4: goodies as we watch Loue Albano smash together all manner
Speaker 4: of ingredients.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean it's it's what you expect, and
Speaker 2: more of of fucking Captain lou Albino.
Speaker 4: A couple of secks. He's like in full how.
Speaker 2: About particular be very sanitary. We're gonna have sanitary plates.
Speaker 2: We gotta make sure we clean everything up. I'll put
Speaker 2: my cigar, I'll put it out on the counter top
Speaker 2: and it be very very clean.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, they got Fujivice, they got Fuji General, they got
Speaker 4: Fuji and Morocco storm in the Gates of Hollywood. They
Speaker 4: got the Heart Foundation trying to.
Speaker 2: Work, which is hilarious, you know, by the way, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know what it was like back then. But
Speaker 2: like the fact that they go to Raleigh Studios, which
Speaker 2: is a real place, that's a real studio in la
Speaker 2: but it's not it's it's not a studio studio, it's
Speaker 2: it's it's a facility. Like they rent out facility space.
Speaker 2: It's not a movie studio.
Speaker 4: Big fans of facilities pal eh.
Speaker 2: You know, Like I mean maybe it was back in
Speaker 2: the day, but from my experience, it's just like it's
Speaker 2: it's it's a rental space for stuff like that's where
Speaker 2: people go, like you'll you'll you'll see it on a
Speaker 2: movie filmed at Raleigh Studios. You know this movie you know,
Speaker 2: partially film that Raleigh Studios were, you know, because they'll
Speaker 2: weren't just stayed, they'll build a set and that's where
Speaker 2: it'll be. It's it's not a movie it's not a
Speaker 2: place you go where you try to get a movie made.
Speaker 2: It's not paramount like it's not a full run movie
Speaker 2: studio that is that is producing work.
Speaker 3: They are.
Speaker 2: They are literally studio space, right And so to me,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if they knew that, or
Speaker 2: if they if they did that on purpose or what,
Speaker 2: but I was just like, this is bizarre a choice
Speaker 2: like to make people try to I mean, maybe that's
Speaker 2: what it is. Maybe maybe they were doing it as
Speaker 2: a joke in the fact that you know, they've gone
Speaker 2: to all the other studios and you know, but I
Speaker 2: can't imagine that people outside of La know that about
Speaker 2: Roley Studios, like they might think it's a it's a
Speaker 2: it's a small time movie studio restaurant.
Speaker 4: You know, they can make it whatever they want, right
Speaker 4: And Morocco said, you know, basically, they would have him
Speaker 4: booked in a town he's working Hogan at this point
Speaker 4: in time against him in a city, and then they
Speaker 4: try to find out, you know, some location that they
Speaker 4: could shoot in that city that would fit this series
Speaker 4: of they did with him and mister Fuji Fuji Vice,
Speaker 4: which features prominently on this tape, was shot in Ocean City, Maryland,
Speaker 4: not far from I think it was Owning's Mills or
Speaker 4: something where they had the tant studio.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, it's definitely I can tell that
Speaker 2: it is not Miami.
Speaker 4: No, No, definitely not Miami. There's nothing more. There's nothing
Speaker 4: more WWF under Vince than just like pretending the Northeast
Speaker 4: is anywhere in the country, like having Hulk Hogan pose
Speaker 4: with his corvette, the Venice Beach guy with his you know,
Speaker 4: slaveless tan and there's snow on the ground behind him.
Speaker 4: Because he did it at the at the house in
Speaker 4: Stanford that he bought so tremendous. Vince also features on
Speaker 4: the back cover as part of his MC duties and
Speaker 4: presenting this as your life to Nikolai Volkoff. This is
Speaker 4: the predecessor to the rock mcfoley. This is your life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it is, that's for sure.
Speaker 4: It's where the raw material came from. So Bobby Heenan
Speaker 4: features on it as well. There's a it's just such
Speaker 4: a strange odds and that thing to attack here. So
Speaker 4: we're gonna a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Oh it is. It is very much a bizarre, a
Speaker 2: bizarre thing to attack.
Speaker 4: As we've talked about. Of course, the WWF Colosseum video
Speaker 4: releases came in groups of threes. One was always a
Speaker 4: profile of a wrestler, another was best of WWF series
Speaker 4: of matches, and another was a themed show, this of
Speaker 4: course being the theme tape tape number twenty five in
Speaker 4: the collection. To come with the profile video and coming
Speaker 4: up next on the Colisseum collection here at TLF is
Speaker 4: the mantra Man Ready Savage and Elizabeth looking forward to
Speaker 4: that one and best of the WWF Volume eight. So
Speaker 4: let us lean in if you will to TNT. Let
Speaker 4: us feel inspired as Vince was to do some of
Speaker 4: these zany and unconventional things. We start with a passage
Speaker 4: from the aforementioned sex lies and headlocks. Since his early
Speaker 4: days imitating Howard Cosell under his father's watchful eyes in Washington,
Speaker 4: Vinnie had developed an easy manner on television. On one level,
Speaker 4: his job was simply to feed his wrestler's straight lines
Speaker 4: and let them react, thereby setting up the plot and
Speaker 4: foreshadowing the action. But that's like saying all Johnny Carson
Speaker 4: had to do his talk. Vince had to sell their answers,
Speaker 4: and he did it better than anyone. The man who'd
Speaker 4: wanted to be a wrestler since he was twelve had
Speaker 4: an obvious affection for his muscle bound performers, and it
Speaker 4: came through on screen. He dug trenches in the studio
Speaker 4: so his six foot three frame wouldn't tower over his
Speaker 4: shorter entertainers, and he always played the straight man so
Speaker 4: as never to steal their laughs, imitating his father's decorum.
Speaker 4: See that's where he gets it from. He's trying to
Speaker 4: imitate his dad using these words, and ah, being as
Speaker 4: verbose as he is that notwithstanding, nonetheless, well, and then
Speaker 4: from there.
Speaker 2: Well, then, from Mary know, we we take things from
Speaker 2: a physical nature, and I proceed with a you know,
Speaker 2: a monosyllable pronunciation of an emotional and quite frankly, an
Speaker 2: excitable standing.
Speaker 4: And so, mister McMahon, what happened next between you and
Speaker 4: missus Grant imitating you know?
Speaker 2: I mean, these are things that, you know, if we're
Speaker 2: looking at the various activities that two people partake during
Speaker 2: during a piece of intimacy, we have to look at
Speaker 2: things from a very from a global standpoint, in terms
Speaker 2: of what is acceptable in regards to a global, you know,
Speaker 2: a global gender audience.
Speaker 4: Imitating his father's to he dressed, this deposition's going nowhere,
Speaker 4: This attorney, this attorney's getting nothing out of this, imitating
Speaker 4: his father's decrem He dressed in suits with vests in
Speaker 4: nineteen twenty style callers, always keeping an iron hanky in
Speaker 4: his breast pocket with his deep He's a full display
Speaker 4: on this tape in that regard.
Speaker 2: My dad was a very snappy dresser. He understood what
Speaker 2: class was. And I believe that these are opportunities for
Speaker 2: people of a varying degrees of financial success to be
Speaker 2: able to portray the possibility of a class and nature.
Speaker 4: Cody's like, maybe if I dress like Vince Senior, Vince
Speaker 4: Junior will love me. Maybe if I run a chain
Speaker 4: from the center of my suit to the pocket. Maybe
Speaker 4: if I get a pocket watch, get him a bunch
Speaker 4: of quarters.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: With his deep voice doing there, cleft chin and wide,
Speaker 4: stocky frame, he almost looked like a comic book character himself,
Speaker 4: the twenties banker.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 4: The twenties banker is what he says. Vince's dress is like,
Speaker 4: or the Vaudeville MC and there's a lot of this
Speaker 4: venue on television. Every three weeks, the company filmed the
Speaker 4: day's worth of wrestling matches at an old agricultural hall
Speaker 4: at the Fairgrounds in Allentown, Pennsylvania, creating three hour long
Speaker 4: installments of Championship Wrestling, the flagship show that he sold
Speaker 4: in syndication. Then the troop would pack up and drive
Speaker 4: to a small arena thirty miles away in Hamburg, where
Speaker 4: more matches were shot, creating a second syndicated show called
Speaker 4: All Star Wrestling. For a third show for markets with
Speaker 4: an insatiable appetite, he takes scraps from the Allentown and
Speaker 4: Hamburg sessions or re edit them with new voiceovers and
Speaker 4: sell them as superstars of wrestling. His fourth hour of
Speaker 4: weekly television was All American Wrestling in USA, and because
Speaker 4: Nielson had just begun monitoring cable viewership, it became k Koplovitz,
Speaker 4: who was the head of USA. Her first measurable ratings
Speaker 4: hit All American Wrestling.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 4: We even looked at the nineteen eighty three premiere of
Speaker 4: All American Wrestling when we did Black Saturday. Yes, and
Speaker 4: how those early All Americans talked about other territories, you know,
Speaker 4: in deferential terms, and featured watches from other territories, easily
Speaker 4: outdoing Robert Klein and Don Adams. Knowing a good thing
Speaker 4: when she saw it, cople of Ittz asked Vince if
Speaker 4: he wanted to fill an hour long hole in her
Speaker 4: Tuesday lineup as well? He knows how to fill Kplovitz's holes.
Speaker 4: We made that very clear.
Speaker 2: I understand that there are holes that may be filled,
Speaker 2: and I believe I have the tools and the resources
Speaker 2: to fill said holes.
Speaker 4: Very good. He had no idea what to do with
Speaker 4: it until he was out to dinner one evening with
Speaker 4: a director named Nelson Sweglar, who suggested, why do you
Speaker 4: do a talk show Tuesday Night Titans? Thank god TNT
Speaker 4: Vince's you know you can tell shawna Sale talk to
Speaker 4: Nelson Swegler. He gets credited with enough, oh of course,
Speaker 4: but he you know, he did. He was like one
Speaker 4: of the big producers and he was representing WWF at
Speaker 4: like the NAPTI Television Convention and stuff. He was kind
Speaker 4: of like Vince's straight man executive CEO type out there
Speaker 4: working it. So he suggested this Tuesday Night Titans or
Speaker 4: TNT's Vince's fifth program. A Sale Rights was a radical
Speaker 4: departure for the WWF and wrestling in general. From a
Speaker 4: shoestring set with a boxy black and white skyline behind
Speaker 4: the talk show desk, he interviewed in paryed of wrestlers
Speaker 4: as if they all lived like this, as if they
Speaker 4: all lived in some parallel universe where everyone walked around
Speaker 4: in colored trunks, arab head dresses, pink leisure suits, tribal feathers,
Speaker 4: and army fatigues.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, they show up in gimmick exactly. That's that's
Speaker 2: part of it, is that they show up in gimmick.
Speaker 4: And just you know, sit for an interview like you
Speaker 4: had at Carson right, or a sidekick. He chose a
Speaker 4: diminutive British wrestler named Lord Alfred Hayes who dressed in
Speaker 4: tuxedos and spoke with masterpiece theater diction. How about when
Speaker 4: they almost lynch Al Hayes in Texas? Oh my god
Speaker 4: and some little much guys.
Speaker 2: And then when he falls like there was a like
Speaker 2: that was not there was an accident that was real. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he tripped over a fence behind him. Yeah, and he
Speaker 2: just collapsed, and you know, you got to keep on going.
Speaker 4: Come on, come on, come on.
Speaker 2: Real sometimes is the greatest fake.
Speaker 4: Put that on a shirt. Because the wrestlers would never leave.
Speaker 4: Character TNT became a running improv built around sight gags
Speaker 4: and skits. Once a week, Vince would fly in from
Speaker 4: New York to a small studio in Baltimore that looked
Speaker 4: like a loading dock and spend the afternoon filming the
Speaker 4: two hour show. I for one, am pretty obsessed with
Speaker 4: Vince's routine to film. You know, he got on the plate.
Speaker 4: What did he eat at home? He leaves greenwich in
Speaker 4: the limo.
Speaker 2: He want to know what he does? All right, I
Speaker 2: want to know what he doesn't. Yes, I want to
Speaker 2: know what he does on the private plane.
Speaker 4: You know, he's got his glasses at the tip of
Speaker 4: his nose on the plane, making notes, penciling things in Yep. Oh,
Speaker 4: it's just.
Speaker 2: Every I mean every minute, you know, yeah, every moment
Speaker 2: from I mean, we know he doesn't really sleep much,
Speaker 2: but from the moment he wakes up to get this
Speaker 2: day started. Ugh, I need to know the whole thing
Speaker 2: from morning till. You know, I assume he flies back
Speaker 2: that same night. I assume he's not staying over.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I assume that's correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: For as, it was much miles as the wrestlers had
Speaker 4: to put in criss crossing the country as they tried
Speaker 4: to take advantage of the fact that every major media
Speaker 4: market in the United States suddenly wanted ww F in
Speaker 4: the nineteen eighties mid nineteen eighties, and you know, they
Speaker 4: were just gonna send wrestlers wherever the fuck they felt
Speaker 4: there was demand. They could give a shit about what
Speaker 4: it was, what it was doing logistically to these guys.
Speaker 4: Vince was on his you know, a little four hour
Speaker 4: jaunts right between his little absolutely he had a nice
Speaker 4: little cushy deal there, and I just love the thought
Speaker 4: that while we were all, you know, obsessing over whole
Speaker 4: Camania and the matches and who's gonna win and who's
Speaker 4: punching in the face, Vince is in a TV studio
Speaker 4: in Baltimore at Tuesday morning at ten am, shooting this
Speaker 4: thing like what yes fuck yes. Dick ever Saw was
Speaker 4: at a crossroads a sale rights when he asked Vince
Speaker 4: was trump plaws a penthouse apartment for a meeting. He
Speaker 4: just finished a second tour at Saturday Night Live, the
Speaker 4: show he'd helped create, during which he assembled a cast
Speaker 4: that included Eddie Murphy, Billy Crystal, Julia, Luis Dreyfuss, and
Speaker 4: Martin Short. Now he was looking for something that would
Speaker 4: let him spend more time at home with his wife,
Speaker 4: the actress Susan Saint James, and their newborn son. Eber
Speaker 4: Saw liked Tuesday Night Titans. Of course he did, because
Speaker 4: he thought it shared many of the same elements as SNL,
Speaker 4: namely the improv.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, well oh oh what is okay?
Speaker 4: So I just want you to know, I think this
Speaker 4: thing is just terrific. It's it fits the zeitgeist.
Speaker 2: Would oh you know.
Speaker 4: What I was, Vince is looking at a dictionary under
Speaker 4: the table, try to look up.
Speaker 2: I was, I was. This is the exact verbiage that
Speaker 2: I told everybody at titaned hours. I said, zeitgeist. This
Speaker 2: is the zeitgeist. Right, that's how you say it, right, right,
Speaker 2: it's it's right. That's whatever it is. I know it is.
Speaker 4: He's a nice sweater, by the way.
Speaker 2: I listen, love, I'm a big fan. I love the
Speaker 2: sweater with the I'm going to try that actually soon,
Speaker 2: I'm going to do the sweater with the collared shirt underneath.
Speaker 2: I think it's a very cowboy it's a very modern. Look. Yep,
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of the cowboy boots. What else
Speaker 2: do you wear?
Speaker 4: Awesome? He's just falling all over himself, I mean, just
Speaker 4: making an absolute ass of himself.
Speaker 2: Do you do you do you? Is it common for
Speaker 2: men to get an erection when they're around you? Right?
Speaker 2: Do you know this? I mean I don't. I don't normally.
Speaker 2: You know that. I don't normally get aroused by a man.
Speaker 2: But your ideas are very they they arouse.
Speaker 4: Another T shirt. Your ideas they arouse. Hey, Look, it's
Speaker 4: just Vince being creative. It's just Vince architecting this entire
Speaker 4: thing that we're all leeching off of, you know, namely
Speaker 4: the improv the sight gags, and they're running sketches.
Speaker 2: Yes, sketches, write that down. Yes, we definitely do. We sketch.
Speaker 2: We sketch quite a bit, one of.
Speaker 4: The things, Dick, you know traditionally in our industry.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: The the gentleman involved took it quite seriously as they
Speaker 4: chomped on their cigars, and a lot of this was
Speaker 4: Sakra saying, I want to take it in a different direction.
Speaker 4: I said, what if we lifted the veil? What if
Speaker 4: we cast aside all pretense and just said, this is
Speaker 4: as fun and as loose as is anything else on television.
Speaker 2: I mean, what what? Why not? Why not to embrace
Speaker 2: the fact that that you know that that that what
Speaker 2: we're doing is is kind of a goof.
Speaker 4: You know that sounds great. I think you already did.
Speaker 4: It's sitting across the table.
Speaker 2: And I just I, you know, I I I I
Speaker 2: can't help. But thing mean, the thing is, you know
Speaker 2: that the the improvisational aspect of entertainment. I mean, this
Speaker 2: is this is what these guys excel at because you know.
Speaker 2: They they don't read, you know, dialogue. They they they
Speaker 2: improv impro improvise Morocco does.
Speaker 4: But that's another thing. I oh my god, you can
Speaker 4: see his eyes like literally looking down at the cue cards.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm hoping that's part of the whole goof
Speaker 2: of the whole thing that that he it seems like
Speaker 2: is like staring at the fucking que cards off camera.
Speaker 2: I mean it is. It's it's ridiculous. But he looks nervous,
Speaker 2: So it makes me wonder that maybe he maybe, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe he was, maybe he wasn't trying to be so obvious.
Speaker 4: Well, I was shitting on the title of this of
Speaker 4: this Coliseum home Video released most Explosive TNT show, But
Speaker 4: it was better than the first working title that you
Speaker 4: just mentioned.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 4: The improvisation, the improvisational nature of entertainment.
Speaker 2: It's a great time for calls him video, calls him video,
Speaker 2: the the the improvisational element of entertaining possibilities. That's what
Speaker 2: we do the right entertainment. So EPU of Epe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is great, probably catchy, Yeah, rolls right off
Speaker 4: the tongue. You don't have to like stop, you know
Speaker 4: that like SARSA, what that like SARSA story.
Speaker 2: I don't know that, but I know, I know, I
Speaker 2: know salsa.
Speaker 1: It's the lap fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that
Speaker 1: knows the boys need their candy. It's the lapsed Fan.
Speaker 1: He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Jo.
Speaker 4: Yeah no Ship. Eric Bischoff created Sarsa. He learned it
Speaker 4: from Dusty Rhodes is Salsa New York City tremendous. Eric
Speaker 4: Bischoff had Sarsa, Dusty Rhodes has salsa, damn right, and
Speaker 4: Kevin Sullivan had salsa.
Speaker 2: Salsa. What what what do you want?
Speaker 4: A polar Uh? Oh, you didn't say Seltzer.
Speaker 2: Sorry, that's a fucking It was a great u uh
Speaker 2: uh bit on Seinfeld. They do that, uh they say
Speaker 2: Seltzer sal salsa, Seltzer thing they do that, George is
Speaker 2: a whole thing. I'm mad. That's very funny.
Speaker 4: And the impropsye gags, winning sketches. In fact, the sale
Speaker 4: concludes it was close enough to the material he'd been
Speaker 4: producing that he told Vince he'd like to try his
Speaker 4: hand at sing a network version of it.
Speaker 2: I will listen. I believe I believe that we are
Speaker 2: we are network ready Is that right? Yes, I believe
Speaker 2: the w W E is a is a network friendly
Speaker 2: vehicle for for a particular uh no, for all facets
Speaker 2: of entertainment. You know we we are entertainment. We you know,
Speaker 2: worldwide entertainment. There it is, but it's still WWF. I
Speaker 2: don't I don't know this F thing, but the improvisational
Speaker 2: nature of w w D what we do? I mean,
Speaker 2: I would like to I think it's safe to say
Speaker 2: that I am really, unquestionably the the permanent w W
Speaker 2: W w D champion. I am the champion of what
Speaker 2: we do on a regular basis, for now and forever together.
Speaker 2: Is that what a triple H would spray himself to glisten?
Speaker 2: Double do w D forty? That's what he uses to
Speaker 2: shine his bald head?
Speaker 4: Now what we do?
Speaker 2: Forty? What we do?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: What we do? Look at my bracelets? See what I'm
Speaker 2: What we do is we wear entertainment bracelets.
Speaker 4: It always amazes me how people assume that the story
Speaker 4: is already concluded when in a lot of ways it's
Speaker 4: just begun. No, I can't even let myself say it.
Speaker 4: Oh my god. So you know, Tanty launches in nineteen
Speaker 4: eighty four, while all of this transformation.
Speaker 2: Stop thinking you're a fucking scriptwriter, you piece of shit.
Speaker 2: My God almighty, he's.
Speaker 4: In the idea room. We gotta waite. Wait, wait till
Speaker 4: the fucking wait till the which I don't. Something tells
Speaker 4: me it's never gonna come out. Wait till the fucking Netflix.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Unreel comes out this summer, and you're going
Speaker 4: to see him in his full self aggrandizement.
Speaker 2: You know, I really can't imagine that ever coming out.
Speaker 4: I mean, you're gonna be able to smell the you're
Speaker 4: gonna be able to smell the black marker.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be able to smell what we do.
Speaker 4: Ah, all right, you're gonna see the you're gonna see
Speaker 4: the order in. You're gonna see the door dash. Everyone
Speaker 4: sits around and kicks around ideas, AKA just basically sits
Speaker 4: there and waits for triple h and or events to
Speaker 4: tell them what to write.
Speaker 2: And we go from there.
Speaker 4: No, you know a lot of way I really wanted
Speaker 4: to open it up. And because great ideas can come
Speaker 4: from anywhere as long as it's me, I think we
Speaker 4: we just got to pull back the curtain and show
Speaker 4: everybody what we do. It's time.
Speaker 2: It's time now. That was in ninety six.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's already taken. So yeah, Tuesday Night Titans goes
Speaker 4: up on USA network in nineteen eighty four amidst all
Speaker 4: this change and the MTV relationship is budding, and there
Speaker 4: the darling of cable television, Hulkgan is mister irony superhero,
Speaker 4: you know, Andy Warhol showing up. We've talked about this
Speaker 4: a million times, and by the spring of nineteen eighty six,
Speaker 4: around the time this video released, this hits the Associated Press.
Speaker 4: Wrestling's popularity is such that a superstation wr in New
Speaker 4: York has three WWF shows each Saturday. Can you imagine
Speaker 4: three shows every Saturday. Other wrestling series, including those featuring
Speaker 4: the American Wrestling Alliance and the National Wrestling Alliance, can
Speaker 4: be seen on various outlets, including MSG, USA and TBS.
Speaker 4: We have two hundred and seventeen broadcast stations for our
Speaker 4: programs every week, said Basil Lavito of WWF. Usays, listen
Speaker 4: to this. USA's highest rated show usually is Tuesday Night Titans.
Speaker 4: Of course, that's the thing about this. You look at
Speaker 4: you like, this is so fucking stupid, so frivolous. What's
Speaker 4: he doing. Why is he being you know, humored like
Speaker 4: this to be able to do this to wrestling. It's
Speaker 4: because it's a fucking hit. That's why it's a hit
Speaker 4: at Wwfrodue and look all the more reason you'd put
Speaker 4: it on a coliseum video.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. People don't want to believe that. I don't
Speaker 2: think that's right.
Speaker 4: That's correct. They wanted it to fail so badly. We're
Speaker 4: not realizing that it's bringing all these people to the
Speaker 4: table that otherwise could give two shits, including fucking Dick Ebersol,
Speaker 4: and you know, the New York intelligensia, the media types,
Speaker 4: the fucking agencies. You know, that's that's what they're after. Now,
Speaker 4: that's what they're chasing. Madison Avenue. You know, m H
Speaker 4: a WWF produced series which features interviews with wrestlers and
Speaker 4: highlights of their fight. So that's on way to put it.
Speaker 4: That's one of the most maddening things about this tape.
Speaker 4: They pretend they're going to show you a match.
Speaker 2: I know, they just do their they do a little tease,
Speaker 2: like a little highlight thing for two seconds and it
Speaker 2: just goes right back to the talk show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you start to think that oh, okay, we're going
Speaker 4: to get TNT sketches interspersed with matches involving the wrestlers
Speaker 4: in the sketches. Now, just Gene Okerlin doing a voiceover
Speaker 4: over two or three moves in a match that involves
Speaker 4: the wrestler, they go to more absurdity. NBC's occasional late
Speaker 4: night wrestling Extravaganza is the piece notes. Of course, Saturday
Speaker 4: Night's main event had already premiered by this point, have
Speaker 4: been just as well received. In March, the network received
Speaker 4: its highest share ever for the eleven thirty pm Eastern
Speaker 4: time slot, with Saturday Night's main event drawing a thirty.
Speaker 4: The rating was a sensational ten point five. We can
Speaker 4: give you a wide exposure on all different levels of TV,
Speaker 4: Defido says, Plus, we have seven hundred live events a year.
Speaker 4: That's right, Well, no one's going to drop out of
Speaker 4: exhaustion seven hundred live events a year, Am I wrong?
Speaker 4: Or there are only three hundred and sixty five days
Speaker 4: in the fucking year to begin with?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean we provide a right, a varying degree
Speaker 2: of aw you know, we have we have live events
Speaker 2: that happen any day at any time, So we.
Speaker 4: Provide a varying degree of entertainment. Is that what he said?
Speaker 4: I mean, good luck disagreeing with that. Good you know,
Speaker 4: good luck making the case because he's going to win
Speaker 4: now one, Oh foul.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I don't to tell you except we have varying degrees
Speaker 2: of entertainment properties and entertaining possibilities. So I mean, we
Speaker 2: entertain quite a bit, and we entertain the future, and.
Speaker 4: We're willing to entertain offers. Yeah, Vince spend all We
Speaker 4: thought Vince spent all those years entertaining us, but what
Speaker 4: he was really doing, he spent all those years entertaining offers.
Speaker 2: What did that?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, there's one for stump the brain. What
Speaker 4: did Vince entertain the most the fans buyout offers?
Speaker 2: That's right? Oh shit.
Speaker 4: So if you can open up the nineteen eighty four
Speaker 4: edition of WWF magazine that I sent to you, Boss,
Speaker 4: I'd like to turn it over to you as we
Speaker 4: go into the pages, as we always do during the
Speaker 4: Coliseum collection, because there's no better reference point to what
Speaker 4: the WWF wanted you to think about the stuff they
Speaker 4: were putting out on home video than how they covered
Speaker 4: it in the pages of their own magazine. So often
Speaker 4: there was overlap because you know, they would send a
Speaker 4: photographer and a writer to the set of some of
Speaker 4: these skits that they would shoot, or some of these
Speaker 4: personality profile vignettes that they were putting together for their
Speaker 4: new fangled wrestling television shows, and they would do an
Speaker 4: article and my god, they would have in their own
Speaker 4: words what they wanted you to think about it. So
Speaker 4: it's a great songs. So this is true the October
Speaker 4: November edition of WWF magazine. So Tuesday Titans had been
Speaker 4: in the air for several months at this point. But
Speaker 4: here's how they wrote about this, this new experiment in entertainment.
Speaker 4: If you can toggle down to page twelve.
Speaker 2: Page twelve, see then there I'll get we go.
Speaker 4: Tuesday Night Titans. Vince and Lord Al at the desk.
Speaker 4: Just look at Vince. Look at him. Such a young
Speaker 4: whipper snapper, fucking psychopath. Look at him.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, a sociopath right there.
Speaker 4: This is Bufont. Basically, think of think of all think
Speaker 4: of all the skeletons, all right, Oh, think of what
Speaker 4: he's gonna do with the power and money he's about
Speaker 4: to amass and the info. Oh yeah, oh yeah, Tuesday
Speaker 4: Night Titans explodes on the USA Network ES. What is
Speaker 4: TNT Tuesday Night Titans is a new wrestling program on
Speaker 4: the USA cable Network, unlike any wrestling show that has
Speaker 4: ever been produced anywhere by Vin sick Mann, the voice
Speaker 4: of professional wrestling. Professional wrestling in capital in caps by
Speaker 4: the way, Yes, it's always so interesting to see what
Speaker 4: they capitalize. It's Rostling by the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, Professional Rostling and his co host, Lord Alfred Hayes.
Speaker 2: TNT offers its audience a look at wrestlers up close
Speaker 2: and personal, behind the scenes in the locker rooms, behind
Speaker 2: the scenes in the locker rooms, gives insight into particular
Speaker 2: grudge matches, and above all, TNT entertains Oh my god,
Speaker 2: it says it. Each week, Vince and Alfred have as
Speaker 2: their guests the most famous wrestlers in the world today,
Speaker 2: who are interviewed about their personal lives and their wrestling careers.
Speaker 2: The audience watches a match in which the guest is
Speaker 2: a principal combatant, and then has the privilege of having
Speaker 2: that guest comment on his own match. Yes, but that's
Speaker 2: not all. Who would expect Ivan Putski the Polish Power
Speaker 2: to come on, come with it, his own Polish band
Speaker 2: and his group of Polish dancers, whom he joined in
Speaker 2: a couple of rounds of the Poka TNT is a
Speaker 2: different twist to old and familiar faces. Mister Fuji, instead
Speaker 2: of appearing as a samurai warrior, appeared as a host
Speaker 2: in an oriental tea room complete with geisha dancer. However,
Speaker 2: he showed his true colors when his geisha geisha entertainer
Speaker 2: accidentally spilled Saki spelled s a k I capitalized, which
Speaker 2: wasn't that? Wasn't that? One of the wrestlers he managed,
Speaker 2: mister Saki.
Speaker 4: Sonny Siaki, I remember him.
Speaker 2: On his hand and Vincent Alfred thought they would have
Speaker 2: to restrain mister Fuji from physically striking the girl. To
Speaker 2: mister Fuji, it was an insult to his honor to
Speaker 2: shame him in front of his invited guests. The intriguing
Speaker 2: aspect of T and T is that one must be
Speaker 2: prepared for the unexpected and be prepared to have fun.
Speaker 4: Can you can you please repeat that sentence and just
Speaker 4: tell me that Vince didn't write that himself or dictate it.
Speaker 2: This is what you should The intriguing aspect of TNT
Speaker 2: is that one must be prepared for the unexpected and
Speaker 2: be prepared to have fun.
Speaker 4: So the intriguing aspect of TNT is one must be
Speaker 4: prepared to have fun. That's the yeah, what.
Speaker 2: What I've What people find to be most intriguing is
Speaker 2: that you must prepare for this, for this television program.
Speaker 4: It takes all day.
Speaker 2: Actually you can't just you can't just turn on your
Speaker 2: TV and watch it. You have to prepare for the unexpected.
Speaker 2: You don't know what's going to happen. We may, we
Speaker 2: may invade your home.
Speaker 4: Let me ask you, pal, how do you prepare for
Speaker 4: the unexpected?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, what do you do? How do you
Speaker 2: when you don't expect something? How do you prepare for it?
Speaker 2: M I know how I prepare for it. I'm always prepared. Wow,
Speaker 2: I'm unexpectedly prepared.
Speaker 4: Another quote, Bring us Home Boss.
Speaker 2: Watch Vincent Alfred each week on Tuesday nights from eight
Speaker 2: pm to ten pm on the USA cable network. You
Speaker 2: really won't want to miss a single episode, but you
Speaker 2: may want to miss multiple episodes.
Speaker 4: Or married episodes. It would be two hours for a
Speaker 4: short period of time. Eventually, the USA made they call
Speaker 4: the trimit to one and this becomes you know, primetime
Speaker 4: wrestling eventually, and that's where we come in our generation.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, but it all starts with Tuesday Night Titans,
Speaker 4: this idea of like a week night time slot for Vince,
Speaker 4: you know, not just weekend crazy. Yeah, it really is
Speaker 4: all the things that said in motion. So if you
Speaker 4: can also open the February and March nineteen eighty five
Speaker 4: edition of WIF magazine to go down to page nineteen,
Speaker 4: we'll see how they're talking about Tuesday Night Titans about
Speaker 4: a year after it had launched in the pages of
Speaker 4: their own magazine. They've got a lot more sort of
Speaker 4: under their belt.
Speaker 2: And this is.
Speaker 4: It shows the tongue of kid trying to tea Lord
Speaker 4: Al and Vince the hula. It shows Vince and Freddy Blassi.
Speaker 4: This is a famous one. We've seen it before on
Speaker 4: the Coliseum Collection where fred Blassie is getting questions from
Speaker 4: the audience about love and life and how to you know,
Speaker 4: be romantic and stuff, and and Freddy Blassi offers, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, kind of crude advice hearts and flowers.
Speaker 2: So well, and if you just looked at it just
Speaker 2: happened to just breeze past it from them. This this issue.
Speaker 2: The article before this TNT one, Oh yeah, talks about
Speaker 2: the new god ww president Jack Tunney.
Speaker 4: He just hired him. So that means a clean break
Speaker 4: from New Japan, which was such a vital part of
Speaker 4: Vince McMahon's funding source in eighty four was that New
Speaker 4: Japan would pay big money to get you know, Hulk
Speaker 4: Coogan and stuff, and to bring their wrestlers to the
Speaker 4: gardens so it could air on Japanese television. To make
Speaker 4: these guys into including of course Antonio and ok he
Speaker 4: looked like huge American stars, and that money played a
Speaker 4: huge role in why he was able to you know,
Speaker 4: stay afloat after WrestleMania. But that's why his Shashi Shinma
Speaker 4: from New Japan was the WWF president during this point
Speaker 4: in time. That was part of the euro Right. So
Speaker 4: when you see Jack Tennant come in, that means the
Speaker 4: fence is now financially solvent.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you we're done with New Japan. Is
Speaker 2: now Old Japan.
Speaker 4: Of course, they brought Tony in making a deal to
Speaker 4: take over Toronto, which of course was being run by
Speaker 4: Jim Crockett. And so every time you see matches ww
Speaker 4: from maple leaf gardens. You see the old Crocket ring
Speaker 4: which used to have the NWA ring skirt and it's covered.
Speaker 4: H They didn't buy a new ring. So that's why
Speaker 4: some WWF matches back then, the black ropes in the ramp.
Speaker 2: It's so fantastic Tuesday Night Titans, prime time pro wrestling thing.
Speaker 2: They already got it right there, absolutely television program. You
Speaker 2: know what prime time pro wrestling?
Speaker 4: Should we call it?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well this article time, you know, we talked about it.
Speaker 2: We said it prime time Rossling.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: TANT continues to explode as USA cable network. It was
Speaker 2: clever to name the program on the u USA Cable
Speaker 2: Network on Tuesday evenings TNT. TNT.
Speaker 4: What an opening sentence. He just declares it was clever.
Speaker 2: Okay, it was very clever to name the program on
Speaker 2: the USA Cable Network on Tuesday evenings TNT. Yes, DNT
Speaker 2: is a highly explosive element.
Speaker 4: Oh god, element is a Vince word for sure.
Speaker 2: And Tuesday Night Titans has definitely exploded on the USA network.
Speaker 2: I mean it's February, like, the show's been on there
Speaker 2: for how long? Now?
Speaker 4: How many more times you're gonna say it? Exploded. That
Speaker 4: doesn't make any sense. I know it's a play on TNT,
Speaker 4: but my god, it's really bizarre. You know, it's funny
Speaker 4: because that was one of those things, one of those
Speaker 4: brain worms I always talk about and unlapsed, where like
Speaker 4: I'll have this phrase in my head and I have
Speaker 4: no idea where it came from because no one else
Speaker 4: says it. And one of them, one of them, is
Speaker 4: it explodes on USA Network, explodes in Las Vegas. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's like it doesn't explode. But Vince made me think
Speaker 4: that that was a verb to use about something arriving
Speaker 4: right face.
Speaker 2: Like I don't, which makes no sense. Vincent Alfred keep
Speaker 2: things humming as their guests involved them in hula lessons,
Speaker 2: camel rides, tea room scenes, weightlifting records, and the whole
Speaker 2: host of other involvements. Involvements, host of other involvements.
Speaker 4: Well, that is one thing you could guarantee if you
Speaker 4: watched Tuesday Night Titans back in the day, you would
Speaker 4: get involvements.
Speaker 2: Well, I believe that you know, TNT provides the the
Speaker 2: the entertainment audience with a multitude of of of highly
Speaker 2: excitable involvements.
Speaker 4: Can't wait to tune in gott to set my VCR
Speaker 4: to tape it every week.
Speaker 2: Involvements are at an all time higher, that's clear.
Speaker 4: I mean, how many more fucking places and networks can
Speaker 4: you go?
Speaker 2: Are you? Recently a new segment called Hearts and Flowers
Speaker 2: with added whereby Vince reads selected letters sent in from
Speaker 2: the fans relative to their love life or.
Speaker 4: Lack of love life relative big Vince work.
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, and a quest for the Evening responds.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: A guest sorry, and a guest for the Evening responds
Speaker 2: to those particular questions dear Abby style. The questions can
Speaker 2: be very direct, and quite often Vince's guests are thrown
Speaker 2: as to how to tactfully respond. For example, how would
Speaker 2: Freddy BLASTI answer a question written from a lady which says, quote,
Speaker 2: after watching T ANDT on Tuesday nights, my husband won't
Speaker 2: pay any attention to me. He's very excited after the
Speaker 2: show and gets very involved in the matches and the
Speaker 2: guests who are interviewed, and he doesn't. He just doesn't
Speaker 2: seem to care at all about me. When Vince asks
Speaker 2: Freddy for his advice. The Hollywood Fashion plates Hollywood Fashion
Speaker 2: is capitalized, but plate is not.
Speaker 4: A good cats, that's good. You know, he thinks like
Speaker 4: he's being formal. It's like how Rick Flair capitalizes every
Speaker 4: word in his tweets, you know, because he thinks that's
Speaker 4: he thinks that's like distinguished, and all it does is
Speaker 4: reveal how like under educated you are right.
Speaker 2: How stupid the Hollywood fashion plates answers were not quite
Speaker 2: ready for prime time. There's always something for everyone on
Speaker 2: TNT be off the mat segments and are entertaining and
Speaker 2: show a side light a side light the lives yet
Speaker 2: of the particular wrestlers who are on the program, but
Speaker 2: for the real wrestling officionado, there are also live matches
Speaker 2: which feature the top talent in the WWE. In short,
Speaker 2: TN T is fun and entertaining.
Speaker 4: He's just like, what would I want someone to say
Speaker 4: about this TV show if they reviewed it? And I'm
Speaker 4: just going to state it as fact in my own publication.
Speaker 2: In short, T and T is fun and entertaining.
Speaker 4: Good, Okay, great? I was wondering, where's the lead here?
Speaker 4: Where's the take home point?
Speaker 2: It has many twists, and one possible segment that we
Speaker 2: might see develop in the future is a point counterpoint
Speaker 2: segment which could pit one wrestler against another in a
Speaker 2: verbal contest, answering questions about their lives or about a
Speaker 2: particular match, or whatever the fuck is doing.
Speaker 4: He's actually workshopping like future sketches to fill like, you know,
Speaker 4: column inches in his own magazine.
Speaker 2: It's so fucking bizarre. Shoot, people think about this one
Speaker 2: counterpoint idea. You know, we could, we could, we could,
Speaker 2: we could work on the varying array of topical suggestions
Speaker 2: right for that nature.
Speaker 4: Array of topical suggestions for that nature nature.
Speaker 2: It would be interesting to see two wrestlers who had
Speaker 2: been foes in the ring commenting on one of their matches.
Speaker 2: I'm sure they would have decidedly different opinions as to
Speaker 2: what had taken place inside the ring. Of course, moderator
Speaker 2: Vince McMahon would have to be sure that the participants
Speaker 2: adhered strictly.
Speaker 4: To its an article where he this is like the
Speaker 4: future tense, like this is not about what tn T is.
Speaker 2: This is like one when it comes. He wants to
Speaker 2: get He wants to see written response. If they would
Speaker 2: watch this, if this segment would be popular, I mean also,
Speaker 2: it's too detailed to be like an off the cuff.
Speaker 2: I no suggestion you know to the of no violence
Speaker 2: during the TNT segments. That is a rule strictly adhered,
Speaker 2: strictly to the rules of no violence during the TNT segments.
Speaker 4: I think that's interesting because that is true. They never
Speaker 4: had it break down. You think, this is pro wrestling.
Speaker 4: Eventually someone has to have a bench clearing brawl and
Speaker 4: chairs have to fly. That never really happened, not on
Speaker 4: the set, but they you know, we Lord Algotts, like
Speaker 4: we talked about. Yes, that's true. People get sort of like,
Speaker 4: I mean that that's a little extreme, but you know,
Speaker 4: like bullied and kind of castigated and get pies in
Speaker 4: the face. But that's the personnel. It's not like two
Speaker 4: feuding wrestlers come to blows, whereas now you can't. You
Speaker 4: can't put two feuding wrestlers in the frame without having
Speaker 4: them come to blows. Right, it's a rule.
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Speaker 2: One could imagine the difficulty in maintaining that rule if
Speaker 2: John Studd were sitting across from Andre the Giant and
Speaker 2: each was claiming to be the only giant in professional wrestling.
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Speaker 4: Worst article I've ever read in my life or seen
Speaker 4: read in my life.
Speaker 2: I mean just good. I'm good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, collection of nonsense.
Speaker 2: I'm glad. I'm glad that I didn't. All right, I'll
Speaker 2: tell you that's right. That's how I feel.
Speaker 4: Ad Week's taking notice May sixth, nineteen eighty five. Wrestling
Speaker 4: tries for.
Speaker 2: A grip on advertisers. Yes.
Speaker 4: Yes, when professional wrestling is the lead story of People magazine,
Speaker 4: you know it's a certifiable trend. Tragedy is more like it,
Speaker 4: which only means that mainstream media finally have found out
Speaker 4: what the fringe has known all along. America loves TV wrestling,
Speaker 4: oh my god. Not Olympic wrestling, mind you, but the
Speaker 4: martial art form that combines real body slams fake ie. Wow,
Speaker 4: we're calling the body slams real okay.
Speaker 2: Fake islams and fake eye gouges okay.
Speaker 4: A lot of weird masks in these days, weirder celebrities.
Speaker 4: So I guess the body slams are real because they happen.
Speaker 4: But it's like, what would a fake body slam be
Speaker 4: a fucking like a mirage, like an optical illusion, like
Speaker 4: maybe maybe if they're on like a wire and a crane,
Speaker 4: orchestrated by World Wrestling Federation President vincc Man Junior, the
Speaker 4: sport's heaviest weight promoter. Wrestling exhibitions, they put in quotes,
Speaker 4: are drawing in crowds to match those of the biggest
Speaker 4: professional boxing matches. Last March twenty three, thousand fans cranned
Speaker 4: in a Madison Square gardens hul Cogen and eighteen style
Speaker 4: wart Mister t took on Arch and MSC's Rabbity Roddy
Speaker 4: Piper and Mister Wonderful Paul Orndwarf. Libarachi was the timekeeper,
Speaker 4: Billy Martin the announcer in Muhammad Ali the referee. Everything
Speaker 4: wrestling touches seems to turn to gold. Four of the
Speaker 4: top ten cable TV shows are wrestling. When MTV covered
Speaker 4: a grudge match between Wendy Richter, who's managed by Cindy Lauper,
Speaker 4: and Lalani Kai, it became the network's highest rated show.
Speaker 4: Upper started the rock and wrestling connection when she had
Speaker 4: grappler captain Lluell Benno play her father in one of
Speaker 4: her MTV videos. When twenty twenty did a wrestling exposa,
Speaker 4: the program got its highest rating of the year. Just
Speaker 4: about the only people who seem unaware of wrestling's promotional
Speaker 4: value are national advertisers. Let's get that thumb up, baby.
Speaker 4: All right, there we go. It's not real, so we're
Speaker 4: not interested. But that may soon change. As during a
Speaker 4: recent broadcast industry lunch in what he thought was the
Speaker 4: next big TV programming trend, CBS Entertainment President Bud Grant said,
Speaker 4: professional wrestling. Great quote, and he wasn't joking, and he
Speaker 4: wasn't joking. Although no primetime wrestling series are scheduled for
Speaker 4: this fall, CBS will add to its Saturday morning lineup
Speaker 4: Hulk Cogan's Rock and Wrestling, a new animated series based
Speaker 4: on the WWF's wrestling personalities, and NBC is considering a
Speaker 4: late night wrestling show, Saturday Night's main Event here once
Speaker 4: a month in place of Saturday Night Live. Even mainstream
Speaker 4: sports programming ESPN is thinking of adding pro wrestling with
Speaker 4: its lineup to help both startch ratings, which of course
Speaker 4: it did with Vern and Fritz. In fact, for the BF,
Speaker 4: which began syndicating a package of wrestling shows nationally about
Speaker 4: a year ago have doubled in the last six months
Speaker 4: for a national rating of around thirteen. An average network
Speaker 4: primetime TV show gets about a seventeen rating. So that's
Speaker 4: on cable they're doing thirteens and network is seventeen. That's
Speaker 4: supposed to be a much bigger gap than that. Moreover,
Speaker 4: wrestling isn't just attracting more viewers, it's attracting better viewers.
Speaker 4: Wrestling's Tuesday Night Titans, Tuesday Night Titans, a sort of
Speaker 4: television equivalent of a potluck dinner, is now the number
Speaker 4: one cable show in Manhattan. Yes, that was a huge
Speaker 4: stat into the number one cable show in Manhattan. There
Speaker 4: we go, and that means yuppies. Washington Post writer Paul
Speaker 4: Attanasio noted recently, wrestling like pan blackened Louisiana, redfish and
Speaker 4: bowling shirts, has become an artifact of baby boom hip.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I cringe, but that's where we were.
Speaker 4: Wrestling like pan, blackened, Louisiana, redfish and bowling shirt has
Speaker 4: become an artifact of baby boom hip. Vince is the
Speaker 4: luckiest motherfucker on the planet. Many landed right in this
Speaker 4: cultural moment like this. Oh ye, just as he took over,
Speaker 4: you know, and this is the only era he understood,
Speaker 4: you know, him, he understood you know, the seventies and stuff,
Speaker 4: but he wasn't in a position of architect angles. But
Speaker 4: like after like that, he just loses. He tries to
Speaker 4: keep with the nineties. You know, they change all the
Speaker 4: graphics and he starts wearing the baggy workout pants and everything.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he like he he.
Speaker 4: He dressed Todd Pett and Gill, you know, right, he
Speaker 4: always has I mean all all the like he has
Speaker 4: this weird need or or or I don't know what
Speaker 4: it is really to always be on like whatever is
Speaker 4: contemporary right now, right, and it's like but it's it's
Speaker 4: usually the wrong side of that he right, you know,
Speaker 4: he misses keynotes. So it's like this weird thing where
Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, like John Cena is like like ten
Speaker 4: years too late.
Speaker 2: You know, with that character. Exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: Indeed, to hear Frank Tomayo, whose Creative Media Enterprises represents
Speaker 4: the WWF to advertisers talk about it, Wrestling viewers seem
Speaker 4: Taylor made from mass market advertisers, but Tomayo says national
Speaker 4: advertisers still act like a bunch of pencil necked geeks
Speaker 4: when it comes to buying time. We delivered three quarters
Speaker 4: of the men eighteen to thirty four. The NFL MINU
Speaker 4: Night Football delivers at one fifth to one sixth the
Speaker 4: price as to Mayo. We have huge product usage indices
Speaker 4: on some categories. That's a fucking vins. I'll write that down. Huge,
Speaker 4: huge product usage indices.
Speaker 2: I believe. Yeah, obviously, I.
Speaker 4: Know what you mean.
Speaker 3: Frank.
Speaker 4: It's good. It's great to hear. That's what we've been
Speaker 4: hoping for. It's a KPI for us.
Speaker 2: You know, we all we're all about that. That What
Speaker 2: was it again?
Speaker 3: What did you say?
Speaker 2: Or thank you?
Speaker 4: Thank you very much? Howard? Now Loik turned to you,
Speaker 4: Frank tell us, uh, well, what are we seeing in
Speaker 4: terms of use agendicies? I get. I guess that means,
Speaker 4: like when you survey the viewers, they actually use the
Speaker 4: products that are advertised to them at a higher level
Speaker 4: than other TV shows, because that's always the thing. Like
Speaker 4: I saw that ad, but I'm not do they really
Speaker 4: expect me to go out and buy that? Now? It's
Speaker 4: not like they ad had nothing to do with like
Speaker 4: what the experience of the product is. You know, we
Speaker 4: could use a little bit more of that, folks. Hint hint,
Speaker 4: a little less branding, Okay, a little more like why
Speaker 4: this like a fucking the detergent guys get it. They
Speaker 4: show the fucking thing, They show the stain, you know, yeah,
Speaker 4: and when everyone knows it's bullshit, but they keep doing
Speaker 4: it for a reason, because that's the minimum expectation of advertising.
Speaker 4: They show you why this product instead of that one. Anyway,
Speaker 4: our viewers almost have a love affair, he writes, with
Speaker 4: the automobile. Yet as of the state, we don't have
Speaker 4: one major automotive. The biggest problem we have is not
Speaker 4: the numbers. It's overcoming the image that buyers have of wrestling.
Speaker 4: I mean, talk about the age old struggle. Huh yeah, well,
Speaker 4: I guess I prefer that in the slim gym table days,
Speaker 4: because we're way past that do wipes and that image
Speaker 4: was created by years of regional productions full of kicks, bites,
Speaker 4: ear twisting and fake blood. Of course they call the
Speaker 4: body slams, reel in the blood fake when it's the
Speaker 4: fucking hell. Most local promoters quote still think they're in
Speaker 4: the wrestling business. We think we're in the entertainment business.
Speaker 4: That's a big philosophical difference, explains McBee.
Speaker 2: They think they think we're in the wrestling business. Wrestling business.
Speaker 2: We know we're in the entertainment business.
Speaker 4: NT proves we are not in the wrestling Most producers
Speaker 4: maintain that wrestling is a sport. Vinces that's bull crap.
Speaker 4: We're selling entertainment. Oh my god, he is it fake?
Speaker 4: That's the next sentence. Is it fake? Don't think so?
Speaker 2: I mean, well, I mean, you know, you know what
Speaker 2: define you know, what is your definition of fake? I mean,
Speaker 2: is entertainment fake? Do you believe that entertainment is a
Speaker 2: is a fake enterprise? So I think of it as
Speaker 2: being a very real thing. And if I'm entertained, I'm
Speaker 2: really entertained.
Speaker 4: And my father always said, if it's in the sun,
Speaker 4: it's so. No, it's choreographed. Okay, it says, no, excuse me.
Speaker 4: Here's the here's the sentence in thatweek. Is it fake? Well,
Speaker 4: is ballet fake? No, it's choreographed. According to it is ballet.
Speaker 4: See according so shut up Jr. To to Mayo w W.
Speaker 4: If it was ballet, people might respect it, right, exactly
Speaker 4: say that, like, it's a then flattering thing to be called.
Speaker 4: But it's probably the highest version of spectator appreciation for
Speaker 4: what wrestling is is ballet, you know, it's how ballet
Speaker 4: is viewed. According to Tomo, WWF research shows that ninety
Speaker 4: five percent of wrestling fans know they're watching a spectacle.
Speaker 4: Well that doesn't mean they know it's fake. Yeah, right,
Speaker 4: something that's real can be a spectacle to I mean,
Speaker 4: I mean that's also I don't know, you do you
Speaker 4: know you're watching a spectacle. When you're watching it seems
Speaker 4: seems like something that that that that is defined after it. Yes,
Speaker 4: something that organically develops, Yes, right. But McGahn says the
Speaker 4: issue isn't whether the wrestling is staged, but how it
Speaker 4: is staged. Sensationalism taints its image, he says. He cites
Speaker 4: a recent an exhibition carried by competing producer in which
Speaker 4: a wrestler was portrayed as being seriously injured. Even the
Speaker 4: camera angles accentuated the wrestler's anguish. It was one of
Speaker 4: the dartest things I've ever seen in my life. McMahon says.
Speaker 4: This kid was busted right open. He was bleeding profusely,
Speaker 4: and then the kid allegedly goes into convulsions and there
Speaker 4: are no doctors around. I don't really think that General
Speaker 4: Foods wants to be associated with that awesome what a
Speaker 4: throwing throwing shade. I'm trying to think what anglic could
Speaker 4: have been. Oh geez, I don't know, man, what he's
Speaker 4: talking about. Maybe talking about some of the van Erics
Speaker 4: did or something. Nah, he wouldn't shit talk them in
Speaker 4: eighty five. Must have been something on Crockett. But I
Speaker 4: can't think of what kid. Yeah, so what he did
Speaker 4: with thatdy Gilbert and so he own fucking TV taming
Speaker 4: when he was a young kid. Consequently, General Foods doesn't
Speaker 4: yet want to be associated with McMahon's new brand of
Speaker 4: wrestling either, even though forty percent of the viewers are women. Okay, yeah, sure.
Speaker 4: To be fair wrestling is relatively mixed bullshit, I know, like,
Speaker 4: do you just say these things? To be fair wrestling
Speaker 4: is relatively new to the national advertising scene. The WWF
Speaker 4: decided to take its in December nineteen eighty three, at
Speaker 4: which point it reached about forty percent of US TV homes,
Speaker 4: mostly in the Northeast. Through a combination of cable networks
Speaker 4: and independent broadcast stations. It now reaches about eighty five percent. Moreover,
Speaker 4: as the wrestling fad continues, the WWF is trading up
Speaker 4: to better time periods and better stations, including some network affiliates.
Speaker 4: The concept of a national wrestling medium really came three
Speaker 4: years ago when McMahon bought his father's shares in the WWF.
Speaker 4: McMahon senior was among the most successful and innovative of
Speaker 4: wrestling promoters. Early on, he took cameras right into the
Speaker 4: wrestling arenas. Where else would they be?
Speaker 2: I know, what does that even mean? What doesn't make
Speaker 2: any sense?
Speaker 4: Previously matches had been held in studios o icee. Oh,
Speaker 4: they're saying it's right, like you know the studio that
Speaker 4: was the Merrygold Arena in Chicago and the Dumont Network
Speaker 4: for instance, or Kimiski Park for fucking year Rogers O'Connor
Speaker 4: right via break guys. In fact, the original TV wrestling
Speaker 4: was not studio wrestling. That came after the original one
Speaker 4: was from the arena. For the most part, Previously, matches
Speaker 4: had been held in studios with none of the crowd excitement,
Speaker 4: but success as dulled his appetite for further innovation. Meanwhile,
Speaker 4: McMahon Junior had developed the vision of a national wrestling company.
Speaker 4: I knew we could not attract national advertisers regionally, and
Speaker 4: that we could not bring.
Speaker 2: I knew we could not attract national advertisers regionally. Right.
Speaker 4: That it's confusing, I think he means, while being a
Speaker 4: regional promotion, no one's going to want to place a
Speaker 4: national ad on our broadcast if we only reached certain states,
Speaker 4: and that we could not bring the entertainment values to
Speaker 4: it by continuing to be regional, he explains. But pro
Speaker 4: Rossling had a don't tread on me marketing philosophy, and
Speaker 4: as a result of that, Rostling, as far as TV went,
Speaker 4: was always a fragmented marketplace, A fragmented marketplace. Huge learning,
Speaker 4: he's he's studying those NBA books. I'll give him that.
Speaker 4: The first thing McMahon did after buying the company from
Speaker 4: his father was to move the ww's headquarters to Grantwich, Connecticut.
Speaker 4: We really should be in midtown Manhattan to do our business,
Speaker 4: says McMahon.
Speaker 2: But I wanted to make God.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I wanted to make a statement to the
Speaker 4: world about the war wrestling Federation. Anybody can be ad
Speaker 4: down Manhattan, but Rustling and Greenwich, Connecticut. My god, it
Speaker 4: turned some heads. Oh please, that's such bullshit. It's because
Speaker 4: you lived there. That's where you like. Oh god, it
Speaker 4: turns you can't afford Midtown. That's why I was gonna say.
Speaker 2: And also like, like, he's gonna fucking commute into the
Speaker 2: city every fucking day from.
Speaker 4: The match, now right, you can't. He can't. He can't
Speaker 4: stop off for his rubbin tug if he has to
Speaker 4: drive it right exactly. Once he had secured control of
Speaker 4: the company, McMahon wasted little time in pursuing his expansion plan.
Speaker 4: It was less than a month before I made the
Speaker 4: first encroachment on the business, he recalls. His first assault
Speaker 4: was on the wrestling promoters in Saint Louis, which was
Speaker 4: considered the capital.
Speaker 2: Of professional wrestling, or or was it someone in the
Speaker 2: office for that matter.
Speaker 4: The WWF had been restricted to the Northeast from Boston
Speaker 4: to Pittsburgh as its marketing region, but Man put the
Speaker 4: first cracks in the cartel like wrestling Alliance by striking
Speaker 4: a deal with Saint Louis television station KPLR to show matches.
Speaker 4: He taped and staged rather in Madison Square Garden cause
Speaker 4: a lot of dissension, says mcmaddon. Now many of these
Speaker 4: cronies who have been in the business for years, tried
Speaker 4: to persuade my dad to pursue. Weighed me not to
Speaker 4: do this, But once you start a fight, you better
Speaker 4: be prepared to go the distance than we are. My
Speaker 4: McMahon's biggest battle now is with advertisers. One of the
Speaker 4: things that will help us as CBS and NBC, says McMahon.
Speaker 4: Now that the networks have endorsed us, maybe advertisers will.
Speaker 4: It gives you the stamp of approval. If Campbell Soup
Speaker 4: buys the Saturday Morning cartoon, they can then go out
Speaker 4: and buy us right after it, which no. A further
Speaker 4: inducement may be the WWFS Bargain Basement rate card. For
Speaker 4: twenty seven five hundred dollars, advertisers can buy a package
Speaker 4: that includes thirty second spots on six WWF shows on
Speaker 4: broadcast and cable TV, reaching about eighty seven percent of
Speaker 4: US television homes. That's that's a bargain right now. That's
Speaker 4: that's why we got such low red ads during wrestling.
Speaker 4: You know, like these fucking glorified infommercials and stuff.
Speaker 2: It's like it's the low ball of people. You know.
Speaker 2: That's that's it, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there are other ways of reaching this audience, says
Speaker 4: to Mayo, But there is no more efficient way. According
Speaker 4: to to Mayo, CPMs, we like that cost per million
Speaker 4: one thousand.
Speaker 2: Viewers, Yes, we do.
Speaker 4: We like CPMs CPMs, Frank I like. I like acronyms
Speaker 4: like that. How do we how do we how do
Speaker 4: we seepm How do we cost? It's cost per million? No,
Speaker 4: it's cost per thousand. Well, why is there an M there? Well,
Speaker 4: mille means that I don't understand PAL. Why isn't it CPGs.
Speaker 4: I want to call it CpG PAL Right now, I
Speaker 4: want to I want to talk about what I want
Speaker 4: to talk about. According to Tomato, CPMs for the package
Speaker 4: are now about three dollars for total households, five dollars
Speaker 4: for men eighteen to forty nine, and eight dollars for
Speaker 4: men eighteen to thirty four. So that's what you pay
Speaker 4: to reach one thousand, and you know, the more exact
Speaker 4: thing you get now, that's why you know. In addition
Speaker 4: to the fact that advertisers want to reach man eighteen
Speaker 4: to forty nine because they have the most disposable income
Speaker 4: to actually buy the products. That's also why people want
Speaker 4: that young audience, because they can command five and eight
Speaker 4: bucks for one thousand views instead of three. Currently, the
Speaker 4: WWF is about half sold on its national avails availability,
Speaker 4: that is to say, the available time slots through September,
Speaker 4: but the WFL to figure into more media budgets. It
Speaker 4: would be very foolish for some advertisers to continue ignoring us,
Speaker 4: says McMahon. To help tell their story to the advertising community,
Speaker 4: they are to be have hired Lewis Pitts, Gershawn Pond GGK,
Speaker 4: which is excused me as an agency which has created
Speaker 4: trade ads playing on wrestling's rock and roll connection. A
Speaker 4: lot of people around here thought I was crazy when
Speaker 4: I took on the account, says LPGP GGK. Very catchy.
Speaker 4: They really know how to brand their own company name
Speaker 4: Chairman George Lewis. The same people who told me I
Speaker 4: was crazy were asked me for tickets to wrestle Mania.
Speaker 4: While televised wrestling still has improved a boon to the
Speaker 4: WWF in advertising revenues, it has been very successful at
Speaker 4: promoting arena attendants. Last year, wrestling had the second largest
Speaker 4: audience increase of any sport, Pro football had the largest.
Speaker 4: The WDAF regularly sells out Madison Square Garden, which of
Speaker 4: course it did before all of these changes, perhaps even
Speaker 4: more so in terms of frequency of visits with spillover
Speaker 4: audiences watching on TV in the Felt Forum. But the
Speaker 4: WAF also is exploiting other marketing opportunities. The company recently
Speaker 4: signed an exclusive licensing agreement with DIC Enterprise, which has
Speaker 4: about twenty percent licensing projects, Pardon Me, which has about
Speaker 4: twenty licensing projects in the works. The WWF is also
Speaker 4: distributing a series of wrestling highlights on home video Well
Speaker 4: Here we Are, the Colisseum Collection YEAP, and is considering
Speaker 4: sponsorship opportunities. Another potentially lucrative market is the endorsement rights
Speaker 4: of the wrestlers themselves. According to McMahon, the WWF already
Speaker 4: has turned down requests for endorsements from WA Superstar Hul Cogan,
Speaker 4: from Diet Coke and Minolta. Wow, it wasn't the right deal.
Speaker 4: McMahon says that the Diet Coke proposal like he has
Speaker 4: any right to tell Hulk Cogan he can't do it right.
Speaker 4: It wasn't the right deal for me. But didn't they
Speaker 4: want Hulk? Shouldn't he have a say?
Speaker 2: Well, that's not how operating pallent. When you want Hulk Hogan,
Speaker 2: you want physic man on the WWE. I don't know what.
Speaker 4: I don't know wor well he was he was Hulkgan
Speaker 4: before he came to you?
Speaker 2: Was he? Yes? I don't know that.
Speaker 4: So the fact that you're not aware of it makes
Speaker 4: it not true from a legal perspective.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, but everybody somebody before they come
Speaker 2: to somebodace else.
Speaker 4: But he's the exact same guy that you're claiming dominion over,
Speaker 4: the exact same name and likeness.
Speaker 2: Is he under contract to anybody else? Does he work
Speaker 2: for anybody else? Have you read his contract? Do you
Speaker 2: know what the what the the the fine print reads. No, No,
Speaker 2: you don't, so you don't know what exactly his rights
Speaker 2: are lack thereof.
Speaker 4: He signed away his rights to say yes to a
Speaker 4: diet coke? Ad Is that what you're telling me is
Speaker 4: in that contract?
Speaker 2: That's neither here nor there. I'm not allowed to discuss
Speaker 2: these things. We do have, we do we practice very
Speaker 2: regularly uh, NDAs.
Speaker 4: We practice very regularly. NDAs McMahon says to the diet
Speaker 4: coke proposal, but I fully expect Coca Cola to come
Speaker 4: back with a better one. Right now. Everyone in the
Speaker 4: world wants whole Cogan, but we have to be careful
Speaker 4: about the burdout factor. We've been doing this for three generations.
Speaker 4: We're not looking for a quick book. That's so much,
Speaker 4: are you like? Well, okay, so he seems like it
Speaker 4: a lot of time. You want you want that money
Speaker 4: as fast as fucking possible. Yeah, that definitely seemed that way.
Speaker 4: I mean, you're on every fucking platform right money could
Speaker 4: buy you put the record out just all over the place.
Speaker 4: What a time, What a time to be a fan
Speaker 4: and to see these things that are happening and transforming
Speaker 4: the industry. Well, we talked about Fuji, Vice and oh
Speaker 4: God in a lot of ways, this is the one.
Speaker 4: This is where we have to, you know, focus on
Speaker 4: what so many fans remember as one of the most
Speaker 4: bizarre things they really ever did. And he's talked about it.
Speaker 4: Don Rocco has in a series of interviews over the years.
Speaker 4: As he told here. A YouTube channel called a rewind
Speaker 4: Recap relive. It all came from a soap opera that
Speaker 4: was on television for like forty years. Have you ever
Speaker 4: heard We've talked about it once before when we reviewed
Speaker 4: a Colisseum video that included the reference to this show.
Speaker 4: It was called Search for Tomorrow? Have you ever heard
Speaker 4: of Search for Tomorrow?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 3: Canty? Thank god? You're all right? What are you doing here?
Speaker 6: Your life is in danger?
Speaker 3: There ought to kill you.
Speaker 7: Don't miss Search for Tomorrow twelve thirty Eastern eleven thirty Central,
Speaker 7: nine Pacific.
Speaker 4: A true soap that was on the air for like
Speaker 4: forty years. I mentioned from the fifties till eighty six. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and it's that soap opera that Don Morocco and Hulkogan
Speaker 4: are on. I remember we watched that, or at least
Speaker 4: clips of it. Yes, yes, they were on Search for Tomorrow. Apparently,
Speaker 4: according to Don Morocco, Rowdy Roddy Piper, who was quite
Speaker 4: in demand at the time, was offered a spot on
Speaker 4: the soap and turned it down, and so they went
Speaker 4: with Hulk and Morocco at a time when they were
Speaker 4: actually on the road feuding for the WBF Championship. Morocco
Speaker 4: would come back to the WBF of course, you know,
Speaker 4: in the early eighties and late seventies, feuding with Bob
Speaker 4: Backland and Jimmy Snook and so many others, took a hiatus,
Speaker 4: went down to Georgia and then came back in with
Speaker 4: a piper. Actually I mean not at the exact same time,
Speaker 4: but from Georgia both came and yeah, they this is
Speaker 4: where they linked him up with mister Fuji for the
Speaker 4: first time. Morocco didn't have a manager early before. Maybe
Speaker 4: he did, but it wasn't mister Fuji. And they've now
Speaker 4: rebade mister Fuji. Of course in the image of Oddball, right,
Speaker 4: that's an odd job, that's what we're seeing. That's what
Speaker 4: he's supposed to be at. Yeah, more or less as
Speaker 4: any studious listener under the ciniment. A very scrawny odd job,
Speaker 4: very scronny, very scornny, indeed, And so that's search for tomorrow.
Speaker 4: And so according to Morocco, they got it. They got
Speaker 4: on that show, and that gave Vince the idea of
Speaker 4: doing basically, you know, a campy in house version of
Speaker 4: a soap opera episode with some of his talent. Of course,
Speaker 4: Fuji Vice to take off on Miami Vice which was
Speaker 4: one of the hottest shows on television at the time,
Speaker 4: these Miami based cops Don Johnson and who's the other guy?
Speaker 2: Oh god, I can think of you, Mike Tyson. I
Speaker 2: think it was exactly you know, Mike Tyson.
Speaker 4: Investigating nightclub and illicit drug related crime in Miami. And
Speaker 4: so they thought would be hilarious to uh, basically remake
Speaker 4: Don Morocco and mister Fuji as a couple of crime
Speaker 4: investigating detectives like some narcotics units.
Speaker 2: Guys, what's wrong with that? Sounds great?
Speaker 4: Agreed, one hundred percent agreed. And it was always a
Speaker 4: huge mystery to me, you know, like where was this
Speaker 4: Like where was this film? Ye, you can see you
Speaker 4: can look it up pretty easy that it was shot
Speaker 4: in Baltimore. But that's not enough for me.
Speaker 2: I need more, right, absolutely, you need way more than that.
Speaker 4: Don Morocco, I'm talking to a James Morrero Romero on
Speaker 4: the Wrestling Shoot Interviews page.
Speaker 6: Hey, uh, Search for Tomorrow was was was evidently a
Speaker 6: popular soap at the time. So they had Paul Hogan
Speaker 6: coming to that town to wrestle myself, you know, and
Speaker 6: I it was like it took like a few couple
Speaker 6: of hours to do was fast, you know, and it
Speaker 6: ended up being about you know, two weeks of uh,
Speaker 6: two weeks of shows. You know that I broke up
Speaker 6: the TV station, you know, did a few things and
Speaker 6: that's h and that that's how that So Vince, Vince
Speaker 6: got in his mind somehow that he was gonna you know,
Speaker 6: start doing his own uh doing his own own shows.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so you know what what what Vince saw with
Speaker 6: Vince said in his you know then that Vince want
Speaker 6: Vince Scott.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, yeah, and you like doing those. You
Speaker 3: enjoyed that, having fun with food.
Speaker 6: Yeah, They're they're fun, They're okay, they're their extra work,
Speaker 6: you know. They they didn't they didn't carve out any
Speaker 6: time so we could do that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 7: That was aside from aside from making our regular regular appearances,
Speaker 7: you know, where we were booked on a daily schedule
Speaker 7: doing those and then uh, squeezing, squeezing those Uh most
Speaker 7: of them were done in Baltimore on that Tuesday night
Speaker 7: and Tuesday night tight and but a lot of them
Speaker 7: were done uh you know, on the move on location.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: So we talked about the Inn studio stuff being done
Speaker 4: in Baltimore, but they would shoot like you know the
Speaker 4: Hollywood scene we see in other things. They did Fuji chan,
Speaker 4: they did Fuji Bandido. There's a series of skits that
Speaker 4: were Fuji General is supposed to be a play on
Speaker 4: the General Hospital soap opera rights having fun with it
Speaker 4: and apologies that that wasn't the James ra Merrow interview
Speaker 4: that was the aforementioned rewind Recap Relive episode. There as
Speaker 4: he outlines house search for tomorrow led to Fuji Vice,
Speaker 4: he mentioned Baltimore, indeed Baltimore, but as we said, we
Speaker 4: need more from Baltimore. We need to know more. And
Speaker 4: I'm like, how can I how can I really zone
Speaker 4: in on where Fujivice was shot. I can't accept that
Speaker 4: it's just Ocean City, Maryland, any right, No, you.
Speaker 2: Need more than that. But there's too much there absolutely
Speaker 2: needs to be needs to be discovered. So what do
Speaker 2: we do here at t left Do we look for clues? Yes?
Speaker 4: Do we look for little things that nobody else has
Speaker 4: noticed that make it into frame. Do we notice that
Speaker 4: while mister Fuji and Don Morocco are investigating the supposed
Speaker 4: beach homicide that serves as the plot point of Fuji
Speaker 4: Vice that they open a barroom door at one point
Speaker 4: after supposedly having case the joint to interview witnesses, and
Speaker 4: on the door reads the sign Daisy's Wheelhouse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, does that take.
Speaker 4: Us right to nineteen Wakomiko Street, Ocean City, Island. Do
Speaker 4: we know the precise address? Yes we do. Does it
Speaker 4: sit today? Yes it does. It's now called the Crawl
Speaker 4: Street Tavern and it's right right on the boardwalk there
Speaker 4: at Ocean City and that is where they've shot all
Speaker 4: of this Fujivice stuff. Then you can look, you look
Speaker 4: through Google Maps and street View and you can start
Speaker 4: to piece together. Okay, yeah, there's that, there's that, And
Speaker 4: I'm trying to find, you know, references to Daisy's Wheelhouse,
Speaker 4: hoping it was some kind of landmark or some kind
Speaker 4: of legendary place. Not a lot on that front, But
Speaker 4: I did find something that we really need. Facebook group
Speaker 4: is called I Love Ocean City, Maryland, and it's got
Speaker 4: a an image of the Crawl Street Tavern and underneath
Speaker 4: it someone makes a comment, I'm sorry, it will always
Speaker 4: be Daisy's Wheelhouse to me. Yah, that's the confirmation your
Speaker 4: boys need on that fucking cash.
Speaker 2: What the fucking needs. Know what else you need?
Speaker 4: Someone responds to that comment with the following, Oh yes,
Speaker 4: love Daisy's wheelhouse back in the day. Unfortunately, crackheads started
Speaker 4: hanging in there and selling drugs out of that place.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's what I going. Listen, listen, come on, boss,
Speaker 2: fuck it. What else would it be? Why are we
Speaker 2: surprised our favorite places are going to get destroyed by
Speaker 2: crack dealers? Accept that you enjoy a restaurant. Is there
Speaker 2: a place you like near where you live? It's going
Speaker 2: to be destroyed by crack dealers. It's going to happen.
Speaker 2: The sooner you accept that, Wow, the sooner you can
Speaker 2: accept yourself.
Speaker 4: Holy shit. You know my first thought when I read
Speaker 4: that crackhead started hanging in there, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: it was Don Morocco. She must have been there when
Speaker 4: they were shooting this thing. But it's kind of funny
Speaker 4: that Fuji Vice is supposed to be them investigating a
Speaker 4: drug murder and they go into a place that people
Speaker 4: remember being a fucking crack den. I think that's where
Speaker 4: we all their respect to the current proprietors. I'm not
Speaker 4: suggesting that's still the case, but yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I never never thought I'd ended up wanting to go
Speaker 4: to the Ocean City boardwalk. But here we are, Boss.
Speaker 4: I think a lapse of pilgrimage may be in order
Speaker 4: at some point. I think so, now that we think so,
Speaker 4: now that we have coordinate, so to speak, maybe we'll
Speaker 4: get a ringer's roosts across from Allentown, PA, where there's
Speaker 4: some guy that remembers, you know, shooting Fuji Vice.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, yes, that's that's yes, yes, and.
Speaker 4: The aforementioned wrestling shoot interviews in it. Well, actually James
Speaker 4: Meiro does the wrestling shoot interview stuff, which are which
Speaker 4: are great and we exert from them all the time.
Speaker 4: But he did a podcast for a little while with
Speaker 4: with Morocco, kind of a regular series where they talk
Speaker 4: about odds and ends, theroers life and times. And here
Speaker 4: is them talking about how they put the show together
Speaker 4: and the logistics behind doing these skits and and vent
Speaker 4: securing the locations and such.
Speaker 3: I was in Hawaii. I was on vacation in Hawaii.
Speaker 6: I think I came back, come back for something, and
Speaker 6: what they called me to the office call you got
Speaker 6: to come back a couple of days. This has got
Speaker 6: this idea about another another another another Fuji episode. He
Speaker 6: wants to film and we changed your flights. I had
Speaker 6: my wife and two kids with me, I think at
Speaker 6: the time, and you guys are inside the boat. Oh,
Speaker 6: they were in the boat.
Speaker 3: So I had my wife. They changed my flight.
Speaker 6: I was going back to Newark because I was living
Speaker 6: in Jersey, so they changed my flights to bolt the
Speaker 6: back to Baltimore. I had a limo wait waiting there,
Speaker 6: picked me in my family up, took us to Ocean City, Maryland,
Speaker 6: were filming. We were filming that, and it took me
Speaker 6: right to a nightclub. Did did Vincent? There was evidently
Speaker 6: closed for the night or Vincent bought the whole uh,
Speaker 6: the whole nightclub for the night. So they took me
Speaker 6: and drop my family off the hotel.
Speaker 3: Stay in the car. We're going, we're going here to film.
Speaker 6: So in we go to the nightclub, uh this nightclub,
Speaker 6: and they give me you know, that was it, you know,
Speaker 6: the lines, camera action that was you know, that was it.
Speaker 6: That was the start of food device. Then the other
Speaker 6: scenes that they were compiled together that they had, but
Speaker 6: it started. I just I got off the plane in Baltimore,
Speaker 6: took the limo to Ocean City, got my family off
Speaker 6: at whatever hotel where I was, you know, and then
Speaker 6: I went straight to the nightclub and we started filming
Speaker 6: about this but eight nine, ten a night, and work
Speaker 6: worked into the in the morning, and and then started
Speaker 6: again in a couple next next day or so.
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Speaker 4: Soo man to be a fly on the wall for
Speaker 4: these like experimental vignettes. They don't even know what they're doing,
Speaker 4: you know. No, no, they're just trying to like on
Speaker 4: a women a prayer, make something funny and just to
Speaker 4: be in the room. While Vince is like, you know,
Speaker 4: making a square gesture with his two hands, like this
Speaker 4: is what I want in the frame, and oh god,
Speaker 4: it must have been such wild, such loose times.
Speaker 2: You know what we're trying to tell visually, hears we're
Speaker 2: trying to create a scene, which is kind of well,
Speaker 2: not only are we are we projecting the scene that
Speaker 2: you know people are going to see, but really what
Speaker 2: it is we're trying to create an element of subtext, right,
Speaker 2: a subtextual nature to this experience.
Speaker 4: And as he explains, like it just became money because
Speaker 4: Fuji would just flub these lines in ways that you
Speaker 4: had to keep Like at one point he had to
Speaker 4: say stand the test of time, and he said stand
Speaker 4: the taste of time.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and they kept it in and that was.
Speaker 4: Like Nelson Schwegler's thing. According to Morocco, Swegler, I guess
Speaker 4: was kind of like a supervising producer for these sketches,
Speaker 4: and uh, it would make the call that you know,
Speaker 4: we just we don't have to script Fuji, we don't
Speaker 4: have to have him take it again. Just the fact
Speaker 4: that he's fumbling over these English words is just perfect.
Speaker 4: And I mean, the guy, the guy is tremendous in
Speaker 4: these in his own way, like he I mean, mister Fuji,
Speaker 4: you know, will investigate what I mean that that that
Speaker 4: that bleeds through on these things, I think. And so
Speaker 4: as we uh we pause to consider, uh Fuji, we
Speaker 4: turned first to Don Morocco.
Speaker 6: It's just it was good, you know, it was it
Speaker 6: was actually fun doing it. You know, they would we're
Speaker 6: talking about Fuji. They never they didn't. They never they
Speaker 6: never put a script. They had, you know, a suggestion,
Speaker 6: you know, lines, they had lines, you know, lines for Fuji,
Speaker 6: but they never they never held them.
Speaker 3: They never held him to his lines. And the Nelson,
Speaker 3: the guys, the guys named.
Speaker 2: It that.
Speaker 6: That's film that the producer, the director of the show,
Speaker 6: he says, we give him, mister Fuji, we give him
Speaker 6: the script, but we don't, you know whatever or is
Speaker 6: there's one thing, uh was stand the test of time?
Speaker 6: That that that uh Fuji goes, yes, yes, this will
Speaker 6: was stand the taste of time. Instead they let it.
Speaker 6: They let it go, you know, you know, there was
Speaker 6: all that stuff was just brilliant. You know, it just
Speaker 6: it's just it's just and it was natural. It was
Speaker 6: just you know, and and it wasn't it wasn't planned,
Speaker 6: It wasn't suggested.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 6: I remember I was back here. My wife, my wife
Speaker 6: was having a baby. Uh my wife, my wife was pregnant.
Speaker 6: In fact, there was my my daughter has put that
Speaker 6: shot up. But I got two or three girls robbing
Speaker 6: me down on the beach and stuff. My ol lady
Speaker 6: sitting at home, nine muths pregnant. All that stuff's going up.
Speaker 4: Yes, they would roll out a photo shoot of Morocco being.
Speaker 2: All you know to do you mind? Yeah? You do
Speaker 2: you mind? Joining? You know, giving my hand job on
Speaker 2: a camera? Can we see that? Please? I actually get
Speaker 2: a preview right now?
Speaker 4: All right, ladies, finish them off.
Speaker 2: Ladies, ladies, we all need a happy ending here, a
Speaker 2: happy ending for this skid. Get to it.
Speaker 4: Six minutes later, there's a pathetic puddle of cum in
Speaker 4: Morocco's belly button. Oh no, yeah, exactly. I ever knew
Speaker 4: that the best way to get a Morocco impression is
Speaker 4: to go to Burt. Oh, Jesus Christ, you gotta looks
Speaker 4: like Burt, doesn't he Ernie? Just to touch both of
Speaker 4: them put together. He's got the eyebrows of Burt and
Speaker 4: the ship shape of Ernie.
Speaker 6: And uh and the uh.
Speaker 2: The size of the hair of a big pussy from
Speaker 2: nailed it good unseeing that one friend Vini Pastori. You
Speaker 2: got that right, Jesus Christ in a poke story, Oh
Speaker 2: my god.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So they would do the vignettes with him on
Speaker 4: the beach and the surf and all the girls rubbing
Speaker 4: him down. The models they hired, and they did a
Speaker 4: photo spread of the magazine. That was their reintroduction of
Speaker 4: Don Morocco for the rock and wrestling era, and they
Speaker 4: talk about it a lot in the pages of the magazine.
Speaker 4: Will get to it, but it's funny you mentioned happy
Speaker 4: endings and him absolutely bursting a nut, erupting like a
Speaker 4: Hawaiian volcano on the table. He did talk about a
Speaker 4: scene that's also included in this Colisseum home video release,
Speaker 4: WWF's Most Explosive TNT Show where he's being oiled down
Speaker 4: on the set of TNT. Remember this. It's laying stomach
Speaker 4: down on the sets. Yes, got the towel across his ass,
Speaker 4: and he's got these tube women oiling him down. You
Speaker 4: can kind of tell that it's kind of going off
Speaker 4: the rails in terms of Morocco expects to be happening.
Speaker 4: You can tell he's being oiled a little more liberally
Speaker 4: than he expected. Yes, because somehow, some way, ever the river,
Speaker 4: mister Fuji ends up being the one in possession of
Speaker 4: the baby oil course, and things get very Fuji from there.
Speaker 6: Two twins from the old Penhouse magazine and they're a
Speaker 6: nice looking girl, big you know things. And I got
Speaker 6: down there and me and Vince had this big table,
Speaker 6: you know, like a massage table set up, and you know,
Speaker 6: you people are you know, condescending.
Speaker 3: You know, people are so stupid.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna teach you how to how to take a
Speaker 6: proper suntan, but which wasn't a bad idea. And he
Speaker 6: had the two uh, the twin, the twin twin centerfold
Speaker 6: girls rubbing the oil on me, which would have been great.
Speaker 6: He even had the massaging my feet, which would have
Speaker 6: been wonderful if havn't had been Fuji holding the bottle
Speaker 6: of baby oil, which you know completely you know, ruined
Speaker 6: my my experience, you know, because I'm I'm laying my
Speaker 6: back and okay, you can stop now. You know there's
Speaker 6: this puddle. And there was no shower in that Baltimore
Speaker 6: studio either, so this is just just just I'm just
Speaker 6: covered with oil. I've covered with baby on it, just
Speaker 6: you know, just to be a puddle of baby on
Speaker 6: my back and these two uh twin centerfolds that you
Speaker 6: have to come in and rub the oil all over
Speaker 6: me and rub my you know, on my feet, you know.
Speaker 6: And I got out of that thing. I was just
Speaker 6: all day long, I was biting myself down and I
Speaker 6: couldn't you know, I was just soaked with oil as
Speaker 6: a yeah.
Speaker 3: That's a.
Speaker 6: It's funnier on the inside. It wasn't funny. I'm just yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm biting my tongue the whole time. You know, there's
Speaker 6: a big you know, it wasn't a bottle of baby.
Speaker 6: It was one of those big, you know, sixteen thirty
Speaker 6: two ounce bottles, and then we use all that much
Speaker 6: of it.
Speaker 4: I mean, we're talking to a Diddy sized bottle of baby.
Speaker 2: What the fu Yeah, he's a very interesting storyteller. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I agree, I agree, mister.
Speaker 4: I mean, can you picture like being in that situation,
Speaker 4: like tapes rolling, like we're doing this, and then you
Speaker 4: realize Fuji is the one with the bottle of oil
Speaker 4: and you can't you can't stop him. He's going, you
Speaker 4: know what he's gonna do, He's gonna do it got
Speaker 4: six times heavier than is anywhere near necessary to achieve
Speaker 4: the goal of the skit. I wonder if these two
Speaker 4: women that we see on this skit are penthouse models,
Speaker 4: like he remembers or not. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't put it past them for
Speaker 2: doing that, But honest.
Speaker 4: I do love the idea of Fuji just ah yes,
Speaker 4: and applying all all of this ah.
Speaker 2: Ah, my Oko, he called Don Morocco by yokozuna, ah
Speaker 2: baby oil ah.
Speaker 4: Thus, thus the highly entertaining alliance between Don Morocco and
Speaker 4: mister Fuji is born and in large part on the
Speaker 4: set of Tuesday Night Titans and during sketches that premiered
Speaker 4: on the course of the broadcast and are featured here
Speaker 4: on the Coliseum home video release. I want you to
Speaker 4: go back, boss, if you could, to the February third,
Speaker 4: eighty five WWF magazine that we've already read. Yes, we
Speaker 4: go on past the Tuesday Titans article that you have
Speaker 4: already shared with the Solar System. Go over to page twenty,
Speaker 4: because yes, I'm very glad you were warming up your
Speaker 4: Fuji pipes. It's time for a WWF magazine feature in
Speaker 4: which mister has interviewed about the nature of his newfound
Speaker 4: alliance with Don Morocco that is so spectacularly featured on
Speaker 4: WWF's most explosive TNT show. And I'll be your your questioner,
Speaker 4: and you I'll read the walk up here and Harry
Speaker 4: Fujiwara himself we'll be answering questions in the time period.
Speaker 4: The name Don Morocco conjures up many images or fans
Speaker 4: in the World Wrestling Federation. Morocco's fierce and long battle
Speaker 4: with Jimmy Superfly Snooker will probably never be forgotten for
Speaker 4: any WWF visionados who follow the course of that event.
Speaker 4: That's Vince in his most despicable nature. Hip there is
Speaker 4: Morocco insulted Superfly with an expression known only in Snook's
Speaker 4: native Fijian tongue. It's just the kind of fellow Morocco is.
Speaker 4: He reaches inside a man and finds the things which
Speaker 4: are dearest to him, then he uses those things as
Speaker 4: points of vulnerability. If Morocco discovered that a man is
Speaker 4: extremely fond of his younger sister, then Morocco, in order
Speaker 4: to get inside the man's skin, would constantly degrade the
Speaker 4: man's sister. As Vince continues to sketch out ideas in
Speaker 4: the pages of his own magazine, what if Morocco found
Speaker 4: out a man wanted his sister, he would degrade that
Speaker 4: man's sister, right like you want my sister. Well, I'm
Speaker 4: going to talk bad about your sister, Okay, great stuff
Speaker 4: is what I'm trying to say, great copy. If Morocco
Speaker 4: knew that one of his opponents was a.
Speaker 2: Dog honestly, honestly, they said, if Morocco discovered that that
Speaker 2: a man is extremely fond of his younger sister, then Morocco,
Speaker 2: in order to get inside the man's skin, would constantly
Speaker 2: degrade the man's sister. It's great, what are your thoughts
Speaker 2: on that? Please let us know.
Speaker 4: Right to forty second Street, wherever they'll calls care of
Speaker 4: Arthur Morowitz, wherever his name was. If Morocco knew that
Speaker 4: one of his opponents was a dog lover, then Morocco
Speaker 4: might do something like kick every dog in sight in
Speaker 4: front of the guy, just to get him enraged, such
Speaker 4: as the nature of Well, Fuji can do something about
Speaker 4: that too, such as the nature of Don Morocco. He
Speaker 4: seems to be without conscience and without morals. Who then
Speaker 4: could be better as Morocco's manager than the Master of
Speaker 4: pain himself, mister Fuji with his sadistic laugh, master of pain?
Speaker 4: Who's ever called mister Fuji the master of pain?
Speaker 2: I know?
Speaker 4: With his sadistic laugh accompanied by the surliest of grins, Fuji, indeed,
Speaker 4: ah evinced with indeed is the perfect compliment to Morocco
Speaker 4: at ringside. But we haven't seen Morocco for a while,
Speaker 4: whereas he been. We've been told that after Santana defeated
Speaker 4: Morocco for the Intercontinental title, Morocco decided that he needed
Speaker 4: a rest and retreated to his native Hawaii to unwind
Speaker 4: and retrain for his wrestling future. You have to wonder
Speaker 4: if perhaps Morocco felt demoralized and totally defeated after the
Speaker 4: Tacula Mexico star defeated him for the title. After all,
Speaker 4: Morocco boasted that if he ever was defeated, it wouldn't
Speaker 4: be by the likes of Tito Santana. But Santana persevered,
Speaker 4: and he continued to challenge Morocco time and time again
Speaker 4: until yes, he finally was successful. Perhaps in Morocco's own mind,
Speaker 4: he couldn't stand the disgrace of defeat in the hands
Speaker 4: of a man who, he said over and over again
Speaker 4: was too inferior, too inexperienced, and definitely too much of
Speaker 4: a whimp to ever take the belt away from him.
Speaker 4: WWF Magazines tried in vain over the past several months
Speaker 4: to reach down Morocco at his home for an interview,
Speaker 4: but we were able to convince mister Fuji, his new manager,
Speaker 4: to discuss Morocco's future with us. Mister Fuji, how did
Speaker 4: you become Don Morocco's manager?
Speaker 2: Ah, Don has had very good managers in the past,
Speaker 2: and he was looking for something different myself. I have
Speaker 2: proved myself as a great wrestler. This is like he
Speaker 2: would not say these it's so bad. You know, it's
Speaker 2: so like he would. This is not at all. But
Speaker 2: now I am stepping out of the wrestling Lime Night.
Speaker 2: I am not backing down from my challenges. But mister
Speaker 2: Fuji's primary goal now is to be very good manager
Speaker 2: for Don Morocco.
Speaker 4: But you took out the other good You took the
Speaker 4: out that's so awesome. That is what he adds is
Speaker 4: how he'd read.
Speaker 2: Actually what he said, Yes, i'mon't given me by Morocco
Speaker 2: to teach him the sadistic part of wrestling, to teach
Speaker 2: him how to make opponents scream and plead for mercy.
Speaker 2: As he spoke, mister fouo.
Speaker 4: Oh did they put a description of him in this
Speaker 4: same block of text? This is like a Q and
Speaker 4: A format in the magazine, and there's no paragraph break,
Speaker 4: they just go ready to As he spoke, mister Fuji
Speaker 4: had his head cocked slightly to one side and nodded
Speaker 4: up and down in that ever assuring way of his
Speaker 4: that yes, mister Fuji, indeed, and there's Vincy's in the
Speaker 4: word indeed again knew how to teach sadism and pain
Speaker 4: as a manager. Why do you wear top hat and tails?
Speaker 4: Are you just trying to draw attention to yourself or
Speaker 4: what reasons would you have for coming to the ring
Speaker 4: and formal attire when.
Speaker 2: Japan surrendered to us? That's actually written that way. I
Speaker 2: saw pictures and history books on the signing of the
Speaker 2: agreements at that time, amper Hoohito Hirohito wore formal attire,
Speaker 2: and I now I'm wearing the same formal attire to
Speaker 2: avenge proud Japanese ana.
Speaker 4: We haven't seen mister Morocco for a while in the
Speaker 4: World Wrestling Federation. We understand that after he lost the
Speaker 4: belt to Tito, perhaps he went by come to Wahii
Speaker 4: with his tail tucked between his legs. As mister Fuji
Speaker 4: prepared to answer this question, the look of anger was
Speaker 4: clearly in his eyes. He pushed himself up off the
Speaker 4: chair a little with his two hands and looked this
Speaker 4: interviewer squarely in the eye.
Speaker 2: You say, Morocco lost belt to Santana. Have you seen
Speaker 2: a tape of Morocco losing belt to Santana? Have you
Speaker 2: seen pictures of Tito pinning Morocco?
Speaker 4: No, why you didn't give you a chance? Answer?
Speaker 2: But okay, what if it was? Yes, mister Fuji, say no,
Speaker 2: he said there, He say there is no tape. Say
Speaker 2: there is no tape, there are no pictures. Yes, Morocco
Speaker 2: Santana wrestled in Boston, Massachusetts, on the night when Tito
Speaker 2: supposedly won the belt, but he did not win the belt.
Speaker 2: What unlike Maa Kazuma, I'm like, what my Mayo ko Zuma? Shit?
Speaker 4: That would hit good?
Speaker 2: Morocco became very disgusted during the match and realized that
Speaker 2: Santana was not a worthy opponent for him. He left
Speaker 2: the match. He left the ring in totally discussed and disillusionment.
Speaker 4: Dissolutions.
Speaker 2: Would never say the solution ever, and on his way
Speaker 2: out of the arena, he threw the inner cartinental belt
Speaker 2: in a garbage can in the back of the arena.
Speaker 2: Now everybody knows Mexicans like to look around and trash.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm sure will deny this, but it's
Speaker 2: a known fact. This is great. Tito found championship belt
Speaker 2: in the garage and victory. Oh could I say garbage can?
Speaker 4: Not the garage? He found the title in the garage. Oh,
Speaker 4: how poetic, how evocative? You found it in the garage.
Speaker 4: Tino found the internment title next to the Christmas decoration.
Speaker 2: This is.
Speaker 3: W w F Hall of Famer.
Speaker 5: Forema, and this is for Jack. He wants to know
Speaker 5: where I found my Intercontinental title. Well, Jack, it's a
Speaker 5: story I've told often. I found it in my garage.
Speaker 5: Often misspelled in publications as garbage The.
Speaker 1: Lapt wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys
Speaker 1: need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's the Lapsed
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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, go ahead, o.
Speaker 2: Tato found the championship belt in the garbage can and
Speaker 2: calame victory for having one and defeated Morocco. That's the
Speaker 2: real story of House and Tana got the belt, and
Speaker 2: now Morocco is going to come back and take his
Speaker 2: belt back again.
Speaker 4: Hmmm. Yes, mister Fuji. But now when Morocco comes back
Speaker 4: to challenge again for the Inconadinental title, the challenge must
Speaker 4: be made to Greg the hem of Valentine. Mister Morocco
Speaker 4: has always had a great deal of respect for Valentine.
Speaker 4: How would he feel about challenging him for the title.
Speaker 2: Morocco has no fear. Valentine is a very great wrestler,
Speaker 2: strong and tough. My Morocco is a bigger man and
Speaker 2: stronger because of my Japanese philosophy. My philosophy is always concentration,
Speaker 2: never lose concentration in the ring, because when concentration is lost,
Speaker 2: wrestler becomes vulnerable. It's the same in any sport. If
Speaker 2: quarterback does not concentrate, they pick very random times for director,
Speaker 2: you know, for him to him to mix miss like
Speaker 2: certain words, herds and stuff like. It's if quarterback does
Speaker 2: not concentrated on to receive a downfield, he gets intercepted.
Speaker 2: If Morocco does not concentrate on his opponent in the ring,
Speaker 2: he will get pinned. But I have no doubts or
Speaker 2: fears about Morocco. He is learning many Japanese customs and
Speaker 2: studying very hard Oriental teachings of psychology.
Speaker 4: He just goes in there and has the same matches
Speaker 4: his career, you.
Speaker 2: Know, same fucking thing. We fucking kick punch and you know.
Speaker 2: But do not think that the inter continental title he
Speaker 2: is the only goal for Morocco and I have oh
Speaker 2: no that Morocco I have in the World Wrestling entertainment.
Speaker 2: Indeed not. We want to challenge Hulk Hogan for the
Speaker 2: greatest title there is, that fee Wait Championship.
Speaker 4: There's a great photo here of Don Morocco walking through
Speaker 4: I don't know the deserts of Syria.
Speaker 2: For some reason yet and somebody's fence right some gate
Speaker 2: that they exit there again, yeap or enter? He looks
Speaker 2: he looks very uncomfortable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure it's not his Number one must have
Speaker 4: been that Kuwait tour they did, or the Saudi tours
Speaker 4: they did around then. Now that your plans are to
Speaker 4: have Morocco return to the World Wrestling Federation, what kind
Speaker 4: of training techniques are you using for him?
Speaker 2: My great plan was to give Morocco much punishment, to
Speaker 2: make him tougher than he has ever been before. I
Speaker 2: signed Morocco for a tour in the Middle Eastern countries
Speaker 2: to begin his re entry process. I wanted him to
Speaker 2: wrestle various wrestlers and all that parts of the world
Speaker 2: they take pain. I had him runny at one hundred
Speaker 2: and ten degrees in the day. Every other day we
Speaker 2: went out on the local fishing boats in Kuwait called
Speaker 2: a doe a dow. But I took him maybe fifty
Speaker 2: miles out and made him jump in the water and
Speaker 2: swim back to shore. Sir, that means he swam in
Speaker 2: the Bay of Kuwait with shocks and dolphins, but he
Speaker 2: had no fear. His main thought was to get to shore.
Speaker 2: We controlled his mind at all times.
Speaker 6: Who's we?
Speaker 2: I don't know who's we? I have told Don that way.
Speaker 2: When one cannot control one's mind, then that means trouble.
Speaker 2: And uh who what did it mean? Trouble for it
Speaker 2: King of the Ring ninety three for the title.
Speaker 4: Who was in trouble?
Speaker 2: Potentially it meant it meant that if he my uncle Doma,
Speaker 2: let's go my uncle Oma bulking up.
Speaker 4: You can say that again, turkey asshole dipped in Mayo.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Oh, do you feel that you have
Speaker 4: total control of Don Morocco? Is he committed to your thing?
Speaker 4: And strategy.
Speaker 2: All right, Morocco will be back. We'll go back to
Speaker 2: some old ways and he will use my thinking to
Speaker 2: combine together with his. Two heads are better than one.
Speaker 2: When Morocco is in the Middle East, he weighed two
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty five pounds and he is now up
Speaker 2: to three hundred pounds of muscle and grit.
Speaker 4: Muscling grits is more like it.
Speaker 2: He's eating. He's eating muscles and grit. Do you anticipate
Speaker 2: going on more tours? I will take him on a
Speaker 2: lot more tours and take him all around the world
Speaker 2: to different countries, so that he can beat all the
Speaker 2: top wrestlers there.
Speaker 4: What do you hope to gain? Are you managing his
Speaker 4: money as well?
Speaker 2: Good question.
Speaker 4: All of a sudden he becomes very lawyerlike.
Speaker 2: Good question. My only manager who tas take nothing from Morocco.
Speaker 2: I give him everything. This is a trip for me.
Speaker 2: I want to be a great manager. I will fulfill
Speaker 2: my job as manager for Don Morocco, helping him to
Speaker 2: be the best at what he does. In his way,
Speaker 2: he will take care of mister Fuji. Money is not
Speaker 2: that important to me.
Speaker 4: Look at that picture of him on the aforementioned BOATKOI.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, look for the fucking goofball.
Speaker 4: We did hear you mentioned that while Morocco was in
Speaker 4: the Middle East, he invested quite heavily in gold.
Speaker 2: Yes, Morocco invested over one hundred and fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 2: in gold. This was money that he won from participating
Speaker 2: in different events in Middle East. Wrestlers came from Pakistan, Egypt, Orman, Syria, etc.
Speaker 2: Et cetera. Like he would say, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 4: Of course he would that's in his vocab.
Speaker 2: Some over six foot five inches and weighed over four
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty pounds looked like Japanese sumo wrestlers like
Speaker 2: Mayoko Zuma, and Morocco beat them so fast. They came
Speaker 2: with forty thousand and fifty thousand dollars to challenge Morocco
Speaker 2: for the match in one match, and Indian bet one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand dollars that he go beat Morocco,
Speaker 2: and Morocco beat him in less than three minutes.
Speaker 4: Hoping you're starting to get some of the absurdity around
Speaker 4: the Don Morocco character. That's part of why Fuji Vice
Speaker 4: made sense. You know, It's like they're like creating like
Speaker 4: all these fictionalized ludicrous plot points about the guy and
Speaker 4: Fuji is the foil that makes it all possible. Yeah,
Speaker 4: do you mean he really didn't have any competition on
Speaker 4: the Middle East tour?
Speaker 2: He went through all of them like yesterday's newspaper. Again,
Speaker 2: my philosophy of thinking positive for yourself. And Morocco is
Speaker 2: working very hard. He's serving thirty four waves, patterning, working out,
Speaker 2: training and running. He would be in tip top form
Speaker 2: when he Oh yeah, the way he comes back into
Speaker 2: the main arenas of the World Wrestling Entertainment, Oh, very
Speaker 2: good entertainment.
Speaker 4: App sure, then Morocco has never been a very popular wrestler.
Speaker 4: Does it affect him at all that he doesn't get
Speaker 4: support from the fans?
Speaker 2: Yes, it has a fact. The more the fans boo him,
Speaker 2: the more he loves it, the more they throw things
Speaker 2: at him, the more they spit at him. Then he
Speaker 2: knows he is hurting their loved ones in the ring,
Speaker 2: like Snooker, Santana and others. Then Morocco's mind, where he
Speaker 2: is booed, he is a success.
Speaker 4: What what course do you plan to take if the
Speaker 4: WWF Committee Capital C doesn't grant Morocco a shot at
Speaker 4: the title.
Speaker 2: What committee, by the way, the general, the general w
Speaker 2: w com Committee.
Speaker 4: Not even the championship committee.
Speaker 2: Right the boarder. In fact, he say board of Directors.
Speaker 2: Of course he would the Board of Directors will have
Speaker 2: a petition and we'll see mister Fuji's lawyers if we
Speaker 2: cannot get at Hulk Hogan. Hogan without exception, he's the
Speaker 2: greatest champion for he would say that, yeah, he is
Speaker 2: the strongest and most talented. And Morocco and mister Fuji
Speaker 2: will not be satisfied until we have had our chance
Speaker 2: to challenge Hulk Hogan. Everyone in ww must get ready
Speaker 2: for Don Magnificent Morocco. When he and mister Fuji returned,
Speaker 2: they will want to challenge everyone. Mister Fuji understands there
Speaker 2: is even some new meat on the counter, having names
Speaker 2: like Billy Jack, Billy Jack, Barry Wyndham, black Jack Mulligan.
Speaker 2: We are ready for all of you, but the question
Speaker 2: is are you ready for us?
Speaker 4: And are you ready for who? I? Are you ready
Speaker 4: for my Ocu Luman, my god tremendous. So we're off
Speaker 4: to the races with these two. And you know, we
Speaker 4: gotta find a boat. If this is going to be
Speaker 4: fuji vice. You gotta have a boat because they have
Speaker 4: to be pursuing drug.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, man, where did they get this boat from?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 4: Do they have a boat, do they own a boat?
Speaker 4: Do they rent a boat? And then I saw, wait
Speaker 4: a minute, what does it say on the boat? What's
Speaker 4: the name? The boat is called? The Angler? Says the Angler,
Speaker 4: which I thought was like some kind of wrestling pun
Speaker 4: but no, yeah, right to this day, boss, you can
Speaker 4: charter the Angler on the Ocean City boardwalk for leisure
Speaker 4: cruise get out of here. Five generations of service. Around
Speaker 4: the turn of the twentieth century, Charles Rowland's Bunting, great
Speaker 4: great grandfather of Buntings, purchased the property where the Angler
Speaker 4: Marina now stands. At that time, there was no dock,
Speaker 4: only marsh grass through which the Buntings pulled their sail,
Speaker 4: Beteu and rowboats to shore. While the elder Bunting worked
Speaker 4: on a fish pond boat a fish pound boat, his
Speaker 4: five sons began the small fishing business. As business grew
Speaker 4: and the dock was needed, the Buntings were issued Ocean
Speaker 4: City's first dock permit, so the boat there on on.
Speaker 4: Fuji Vice comes from the first dock permit ever issued
Speaker 4: in Ocean City. Lumber was brought in from West Ocean
Speaker 4: City by a scow for the only access the island
Speaker 4: other than by water, was over a narrow railroad bridge.
Speaker 4: When completed, the Bunting dock became a favorite relaxation spot.
Speaker 4: Local residents and visitors alike enjoyed sitting out over the
Speaker 4: Quiet Bay waters as the years war Now, why are
Speaker 4: they always bunting? Weren't they actually taking a real heat?
Speaker 4: You don't always have to advance runners here. As the
Speaker 4: years wore on, the five sons were on to pursue
Speaker 4: their own careers. In the winter of nineteen thirty four,
Speaker 4: Charles' son William returned to Ocean City from North Carolina.
Speaker 4: A year later, he bought a house and property adjoining
Speaker 4: his father's dock. There, he built a small twenty by
Speaker 4: twenty building where he sold fishing bait, cool sodas, and
Speaker 4: rented small boats. Sounds like what a frit should have
Speaker 4: done with this life. Frankly, yeah right. His wife, Louise,
Speaker 4: an enterprising young woman, started selling homemade pies. It soon
Speaker 4: became obvious that they needed to serve breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
Speaker 4: Small tables were placed in the fishing office and it
Speaker 4: became a combined business venture. Along came World War Two.
Speaker 4: The captain and his boat, the Angler, were called to
Speaker 4: serve in the Coast Guard. When he returned, he found
Speaker 4: that storms had washed away nearly all of the old dock.
Speaker 4: A new dock in addition, were built in nineteen forty five.
Speaker 4: By the spring of that year, William and Louise Bunting's
Speaker 4: only son, William Porter, returned from the coast Guard and
Speaker 4: joined his parents in the business. He capta in the
Speaker 4: sport fishing boat Sunshine during the day and assisted in
Speaker 4: the operation of the restaurant during the evenings. His wife,
Speaker 4: Martha participated in the family operation in much the same
Speaker 4: capacity as Louise. The four Buntings continue to run the
Speaker 4: business until Bill Signior retired, followed by Louise. Bill and
Speaker 4: Martha's two daughters then joined their parents. Now five generations later,
Speaker 4: Julie and Jane's children are learning the ropes of the
Speaker 4: family business. Julie's children, Megan, Jane, r Jay, and Mara,
Speaker 4: along with it Jane's sun Boarder, are becoming integral parts
Speaker 4: of the Angler tradition. Much of the history of the
Speaker 4: Angler Marina could not have been written without the loyalty
Speaker 4: and devotion of our staff. There are many who deserve accolades.
Speaker 4: The Bunting family looks forward to continuing to serve you,
Speaker 4: your children, and their children in the manner to which
Speaker 4: they are committed. Of course, none of us would be
Speaker 4: here were it not for our many, many friends who
Speaker 4: have patronized us faithfully for over eighty years.
Speaker 1: We of the.
Speaker 4: Angler, thank you, wow, and we of the Angler on
Speaker 4: the wrestling side, thank you folks for providing boat for
Speaker 4: the skit that we won't soon forget Fujivis. So I
Speaker 4: think that's definitely a lapsed pilgrimage now because we can
Speaker 4: also get on the boat that they were on.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, oh fucking no question.
Speaker 4: You just picture them out there with a camera just
Speaker 4: walking the boardwalk, shooting all this stuff, and then look,
Speaker 4: here's a boat. Let's use the boat yep from and
Speaker 4: they actually get real coast guard in the Fujivis scene
Speaker 4: that they were patrolling the waterways. They somehow no shit,
Speaker 4: yeah they got I don't know, they just filmed the
Speaker 4: coast guard boat that happened to be traversing the waters.
Speaker 4: I think they kind of won their cooperation just for fun,
Speaker 4: because it didn't seem like they just at first it
Speaker 4: looked like it's just sort of like b roll. They
Speaker 4: captured of a coast Guard boat moving and it doesn't
Speaker 4: seem to be moving with any particular urgency like you
Speaker 4: would expect if he's chasing down a drug boat. And
Speaker 4: then they add the cheesiest police sirens over the moving boat.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's so bad.
Speaker 2: Oh it's awful.
Speaker 4: It's so purposely low rent. It's easy to do purpose
Speaker 4: little and ironic and low rent when you don't have
Speaker 4: any other joy in the matter. Really, yeah, a lot
Speaker 4: easier to poke fun at yourself in that circumstance. But
Speaker 4: it's explosive TNT show it's right in that sweet spot
Speaker 4: and the Colosseum collection continues to roll on. You mentioned serendipity,
Speaker 4: We mentioned it at the top. You mentioned the Western component,
Speaker 4: which we're going to get a taste stuff as well
Speaker 4: through the course of looking at the great TNT Moments
Speaker 4: is featured on the video cassette Boss We're Riding High.
Speaker 4: We're Riding High. Coming off the latest episode of Under
Speaker 4: the cinemat, if I may say, one of the finest
Speaker 4: ever Once upon a Time.
Speaker 2: In the West, Once upon a Time in the West.
Speaker 2: It's it is one of the great great Westerns. We
Speaker 2: get to dive into Sergiolione, we get to dive into
Speaker 2: Henry Fonda, we get to take a look at a
Speaker 2: little deeper into Woody Strode, who has been just a blessing.
Speaker 2: Honest to God, He's Woody Strode is just fantastic and
Speaker 2: is truly a blessing under the cinema because he does
Speaker 2: provide a significant amount of classic films. And you know,
Speaker 2: we've only we've only done two, so we've we've only
Speaker 2: really really scratched the very very bare minimum the surface
Speaker 2: as to what what he Strode can provide for us.
Speaker 2: And I'm so happy people are excited about it. It
Speaker 2: was such a fun, fun kind of just to look
Speaker 2: back at the Western itself to kind of really to
Speaker 2: discover the the the similarities of the of what the
Speaker 2: the original design of the Western live show and and
Speaker 2: it's it's really just a cousin of professional wrestling absolutely
Speaker 2: as we discovered, you know, again creating this this this realistic,
Speaker 2: you know, an attempt at at at fooling people into
Speaker 2: a realistic show, and it's all you know, it's all phony.
Speaker 4: Right, it's all like what we swear people were like
Speaker 4: in the frontier days for entertainment, like a freege show.
Speaker 2: Well, which is funny because like when they first invented
Speaker 2: as we discovered, it's like it's happening at the time too,
Speaker 2: like it's happening.
Speaker 4: Within the actual era of this, of the of the Frontier,
Speaker 4: and and people just didn't have the means to travel
Speaker 4: to see it themselves. So you could sell them as
Speaker 4: anything being You could sell them as I don't know,
Speaker 4: mister Fuji being a diabolical mastermind all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: you can sell them exactly, you know, any number of
Speaker 4: misaligned things to achieve a purpose.
Speaker 2: So it's just wild. Yeah, it was fun great, great episode.
Speaker 4: And definitely worth three months worth of under the cinemat dollar.
Speaker 4: Let alone the fact that they keep coming hard and heavy.
Speaker 4: What a great one. And look, we didn't even we
Speaker 4: didn't even appreciate the fact. And someone in the Solar
Speaker 4: system pointed it out. And I should have remembered this
Speaker 4: from the lapsed Funk when he came to the ring
Speaker 4: in the n WA in eighty nine. Yeah, is the
Speaker 4: harmonica man song is what he came out to yep.
Speaker 4: And I remember when we were doing it, I was like,
Speaker 4: what is this significance of that song and taking a
Speaker 4: glimpse but not sitting down to watch the film. And
Speaker 4: now I'm so much more connected and you will be
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Speaker 4: like why they would have chose that song for the
Speaker 4: heel Terry funk.
Speaker 2: Well, and and the fact that they you know, how
Speaker 2: connected so many Western themed wrestlers are. You know, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of there's a lot of music being used
Speaker 2: that is either of written by Ennio Morricone or it's
Speaker 2: it's uh, you know, inspired by you know. And and
Speaker 2: it's no surprising that that score there are so many
Speaker 2: you can you can you can just see that that
Speaker 2: has the DNA of so many other scores. Yes, like
Speaker 2: so many scores, I should say, so many other scores
Speaker 2: written between Once Upon a Time in the West and
Speaker 2: now I'll have the DNA of Once Upon a Time
Speaker 2: in the West in it. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 4: Less than Adam Page heading into the big annual aw
Speaker 4: S Datium showed to challenge for the world title and
Speaker 4: his remixed song is the harmonica Man kind of strains
Speaker 4: and you get like, where what that means to people
Speaker 4: who are familiar with the Western genre to hear that
Speaker 4: harmonica sound. I didn't realize it was so haunting, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, it sounds haunting, But now that I picture
Speaker 4: Charles Brunson playing it at these moments of high drama
Speaker 4: in the film, and it's like, yeah, he sees like
Speaker 4: a pied piper of the West. Yep and great, great stuff.
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Speaker 4: That's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh, that's what I love when we're able to
Speaker 2: do that. I love it so much when people watch
Speaker 2: the film with us on Friday night.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I can just say here, Gene off the
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Speaker 4: I don't think so is he? That's a great question.
Speaker 4: I don't think Nickolai Volkoff is dead. Nick Lai Volkoff
Speaker 4: is said, Captain lew is dead. George Steele is dead, Bullcoff,
Speaker 4: Freddy Blassie is dead. Those Penhouse Penhouse models are dead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they might be. You never know, maybe they
Speaker 2: got fucking, you know, cracked up. Jim Art is dead,
Speaker 2: Jim Knightetheart is dead. Adrian o'donnis is dead. Jimmy Jackson Okay, well,
Speaker 2: all right, that's dead. That Piper is dead.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he's all over it.
Speaker 2: Orton's still alive. Uncle Elmer is dead, right, Yeah. My
Speaker 2: cousin Luke is dead.
Speaker 4: Is he dead?
Speaker 2: I don't know that.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I can't believe I freaking forgot to do this. It happens,
Speaker 2: I know it doesn't. I don't think I've ever missed.
Speaker 2: I don't ever missed before. Yeah, maybe we'll see.
Speaker 4: Now this is better, absolutely.
Speaker 2: The I think that's that's about I'd probably do it.
Speaker 2: I mean, Andre the Giant and I mean they're there
Speaker 2: are obviously some in the in the wrestling clips too,
Speaker 2: so like Andre is there and and uh Bundy is
Speaker 2: there by John Studd's there. So yeah, it's a tricky
Speaker 2: one because these things are Murdock's there, Johnson's, Rocky Jonas's dad, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Adonnas is dead.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, there's it's a lot, Mike Tyson. It's a long,
Speaker 4: long list.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So that established, it's time to light the matt light
Speaker 4: the fuse, Okay. As the Colosseum Collection rolls on. On
Speaker 4: the other side of the break, it's our deep dive.
Speaker 4: We're gonna pull it off the video shelf. We're gonna
Speaker 4: go rent this fucking sucker. We're gonna live in a
Speaker 4: time where physical media made life worth living and want
Speaker 4: to get back there with the WWF's most explosive T
Speaker 4: n T show. As the Colosseum Collection continues, it's that
Speaker 4: deep dive on the other side,