WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:03.960 Hello, and welcome to my podcast. This is an audio 2 00:00:04.040 --> 00:00:06.759 version of my videos available to make listening to my 3 00:00:06.799 --> 00:00:10.039 stuff in the background easier than YouTube makes it. But 4 00:00:10.199 --> 00:00:13.679 since my videos are primarily made for YouTube, there may 5 00:00:13.720 --> 00:00:16.960 be occasional references to visual materials. If you'd like this 6 00:00:17.000 --> 00:00:20.000 podcast ad free, you can join us on Patreon Apppatreon 7 00:00:20.039 --> 00:00:22.879 dot com, slash Vice Rhino. Please enjoy. 8 00:00:24.039 --> 00:00:28.440 Hello and welcome to my channel Vice Rhino. Here today, 9 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:30.640 I'm doing another one of those videos where I respond 10 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:34.119 to a bunch of questions for atheists posed by several TikTokers. 11 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:36.679 I know it's low hanging fruit, but it's such good fun, 12 00:00:37.079 --> 00:00:37.759 so let's go. 13 00:00:44.799 --> 00:00:48.399 I've got two questions for you if you're an atheist. 14 00:00:49.359 --> 00:00:55.399 My first question is if there are no arguments for atheism, 15 00:00:55.439 --> 00:00:58.320 no good arguments. I mean, they're all really kind of 16 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:02.920 parasitical on Christianity and theistic arguments. 17 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:07.439 I mean, I guess atheism is me saying I don't 18 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:09.799 believe you when you say that there's a God. The 19 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:12.519 atheist arguments come up when you ask why I don't 20 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:14.840 believe in your God. If you just stop trying and 21 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:17.079 convince people that you're right, then we won't need to 22 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:19.840 explain why we don't think you are anymore. So, while 23 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:22.040 I feel that your use of the word parasitical was 24 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:24.200 meant as a bit of a jab, it is true 25 00:01:24.200 --> 00:01:26.799 that if nobody was arguing for the existence of God, 26 00:01:27.159 --> 00:01:30.000 nobody would be responding to those arguments with explanations as 27 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:32.040 to why they are unconvincing. 28 00:01:33.040 --> 00:01:36.400 And especially if you take the route that atheism, which 29 00:01:36.439 --> 00:01:38.480 I disagree with, is there's a lack of belief, so 30 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:40.239 it's just kind of like a neutral position. I think 31 00:01:40.280 --> 00:01:42.480 that's like gnocissism, but let's go with it. 32 00:01:43.200 --> 00:01:46.680 Hey, fun fact, you don't get to define how other 33 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:49.599 people use their labels. I could say that I don't 34 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:51.359 think you can be a Christian while wearing a hat 35 00:01:51.439 --> 00:01:54.040 like that, and my saying that does nothing to change 36 00:01:54.040 --> 00:01:56.599 the fact that you still consider yourself a Christian despite 37 00:01:56.640 --> 00:01:57.040 the hat. 38 00:01:58.079 --> 00:02:02.319 If you think that there are no good arguments for atheism, 39 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:03.879 then why are you an atheists? 40 00:02:03.920 --> 00:02:07.560 I'm an atheist because I found Christianity to be severely lacking, 41 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:09.520 and I haven't seen any good reason to believe in 42 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:12.400 any other gods, so I didn't convert to any of 43 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:15.639 those other religions when I left Christianity, you don't have. 44 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:19.159 Any arguments for atheism, then it would seem unreasonable to 45 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:20.000 be an atheist. 46 00:02:20.479 --> 00:02:22.639 There are no good arguments for a lack of belief 47 00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:25.080 in gay unicorn Gary, the all powerful creator of everything, 48 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:27.680 who's given everyone a desire to participate in a gay orgy, 49 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:31.159 which some people deny in their unrighteousness. So why are 50 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:33.919 you a Gary denier? Don't you find that unreasonable? 51 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:40.240 My second question is why would you be agnostic considering 52 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:43.560 that that would also be unreasonable If you think about 53 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:47.479 Pascal's wager, the idea that, well, you have to wager, 54 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:51.199 you can't just not wager, and if you choose not 55 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:53.360 to wager, that's a wager in and of itself. To 56 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:56.319 be neutral, to make no choice whatsoever is to make 57 00:02:56.319 --> 00:02:58.039 a choice for eternity. 58 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:00.439 Well, he did a shit job of planning it, so 59 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:02.800 I'm gonna take a crack at it here. Pascal's wager, 60 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:05.800 for those who are unfamiliar, is essentially the idea that 61 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:09.919 when choosing between Christianity and atheism, you should choose Christianity 62 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:12.759 because if Christianity is true, the reward is great and 63 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:15.800 the downside is horrific. Well, if atheism is true, the 64 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:19.719 reward is negligible, and the downside is also negligible. There 65 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:22.240 are a few problems with it. First, and foremost, you 66 00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:25.759 cannot choose your beliefs. If you think otherwise, then I 67 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:28.240 suggest you try to make yourself believe in gay unicorn. 68 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:31.360 Gary Pascal's solution for that was essentially to fake it 69 00:03:31.400 --> 00:03:33.400 till you make it, But I feel like an omniscient 70 00:03:33.479 --> 00:03:35.520 God would know if I was just faking, so it 71 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:39.800 wouldn't actually work. Second, Christianity has requirements for your life 72 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:43.120 which can be incredibly burdensome, so to live in accordance 73 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:46.240 with those requirements if atheism is true, could actually be 74 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:49.599 a rather large downside, especially if you are someone who 75 00:03:49.639 --> 00:03:52.800 has been victimized by the church or are LGBTQ. Many 76 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:55.199 Christian denominations would say you can't go to heaven if 77 00:03:55.199 --> 00:03:58.479 you're LGBTQ, So you have to suppress an important part 78 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:01.560 of who you are as a person for your entire 79 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:04.319 life in order to get the good Christian outcome. But 80 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:06.879 if atheism is true, you have now made your one 81 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:10.960 and only life a life of pain and misery for nothing. Third, 82 00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:13.479 the wager assumes that the choice is a binary it's 83 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:17.120 either Christianity or atheism. But what if Islam is true, 84 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:19.680 for example, then you live your life as a Christian 85 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:22.480 only to wind up in Muslim hell for eternity. If 86 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:24.560 either of them are true, then at least the atheists 87 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:27.480 got to enjoy their one life. And honestly, there are 88 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:29.959 a number of religions, such as Hinduism and Buddhism, whose 89 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:33.279 afterlives reward you for being a good person in this life, 90 00:04:33.319 --> 00:04:35.759 not for being a member of their religion. These types 91 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:37.839 of religions often come with an analog to hell that is, 92 00:04:37.879 --> 00:04:40.519 a temporary punishment proportionate to whatever bad things you did 93 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:43.160 in your life, which honestly seems like a way better 94 00:04:43.199 --> 00:04:45.480 system than the Christian one. If those ones are true, 95 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:47.560 then as an atheist, I get to live my life 96 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:50.040 in a way that I find fulfilling without worrying about 97 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:52.800 whether or not my cotton polyester blended T shirt is sinful, 98 00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:54.560 And as long as I was good to my fellow 99 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:57.360 human beings, I don't wind up suffering for an eternity 100 00:04:57.439 --> 00:04:59.920 simply because I wasn't a member of the correct religion. 101 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:03.279 And that's without even getting into these sometimes mutually exclusive 102 00:05:03.399 --> 00:05:07.120 versions of Christianity. There are denominations that believe that every 103 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:11.360 member of every other denomination are doomed to hell. So 104 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:14.120 how do I choose a denomination? Then if I choose 105 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:16.279 the wrong one, I might still wind up in hell, 106 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:19.199 even if Christianity is true and God doesn't seem to 107 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:21.759 be open to clarification. So the way I see it, 108 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:23.680 I may as well live how I want and not 109 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:24.800 worry about the afterlife. 110 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:31.399 So this would show that agnosticism itself is unreasonable, right 111 00:05:31.519 --> 00:05:32.040 I forgot? 112 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:36.879 Yeah, No, Pascal's wager does not render atheism or agnosticism 113 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:40.600 unreasonable unless you ignore the existence of non Christian religions 114 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:43.319 and mutually exclusive Christian denominations, as well as all the 115 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:47.040 other stuff I said earlier. Hey atheists, I have a question. 116 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:50.839 So you believe the universe is a coincidence and without 117 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:51.439 a creator. 118 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:54.519 Not a fan of the word coincidence, but yes, our 119 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:56.680 knowledge of the beginning of the universe does not indicate 120 00:05:56.680 --> 00:05:57.879 a creator at this time. 121 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:01.800 But can this simple food be without a chef? 122 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:04.519 T does that? 123 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:04.639 What? 124 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:07.959 Yes, it can be without a chef because chef is 125 00:06:07.959 --> 00:06:09.399 a term that is applied to the person at the 126 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:11.439 restaurant who is in charge of the menu, coming up 127 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:13.519 with the various recipes that they will serve along with 128 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:16.959 several mangerial duties. Those appear to be French fries, which 129 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:19.439 I can prepare at home, despite being only a moderately 130 00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:22.079 decent cook. But I suppose that the point you're getting 131 00:06:22.079 --> 00:06:25.040 at is that someone had to prepare them, whatever title 132 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:27.240 that someone may hold. But if we expand the scope 133 00:06:27.279 --> 00:06:30.040 of this conversation, talk about food in general rather than 134 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:33.079 that specific food item, there is plenty that you can 135 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:35.240 forage in nature that can be eaten raw and without 136 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:38.079 any sort of prep So no, you do not need 137 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:40.240 a chef or a cook to prepare food if you 138 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:40.920 know where to look. 139 00:06:42.600 --> 00:06:48.360 Your question for the atheist, oh, what event led you 140 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:52.439 to believing that there is noga? 141 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:54.439 In my case, it was more of a process than 142 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:57.199 a single event. It started with me noticing an error 143 00:06:57.199 --> 00:06:59.480 in the Bible. In Matthew two too, when the magi 144 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:01.519 are looking for Jesus, they say that they were in 145 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:03.759 the east. They saw his star in the east and 146 00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:07.160 followed it, leading them west. This is extremely minor as 147 00:07:07.160 --> 00:07:09.439 far as Bible airs go. There are plenty of interpretations 148 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:12.079 that are quite reasonable and handle it quite nicely. It 149 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:13.759 could be that when it says they saw the star 150 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:16.000 in the east, that is referring to where they were, 151 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:18.680 not where the star was. I was over there and 152 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:20.439 I saw a star over there, and it led me 153 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:22.920 over here. It could be that they weren't following it 154 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:25.439 in a literal sense. They could have been astrologers. They 155 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:28.199 read the stars, and their reading sent them west. Though 156 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:30.680 admittedly this one does run into a problem when in 157 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:32.800 verse nine it says that the star went before them 158 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:35.319 and stopped over the place where Jesus was, making this 159 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:37.480 look like it is a literal follow that light in 160 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:39.959 the sky type of thing. Another possibility comes in the 161 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:42.920 form of an alternate translation. The words that were translated 162 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:45.839 as in the east could also mean when it rose, So, 163 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:48.839 since this is a magical traveling star, God could have 164 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:51.439 made it rise in the west, thus leading them westward. 165 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:54.519 So yeah, not really a big deal, but it shook 166 00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:56.920 my conviction of the inerranci of scripture, leaving me open 167 00:07:56.959 --> 00:08:00.519 to noticing other potential problems. And once those doors were open, 168 00:08:00.759 --> 00:08:03.160 they couldn't be shut. If you're curious about the full 169 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:04.759 story of how I became an atheist, I'll leave a 170 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:05.519 link to that video. 171 00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:09.199 If you're an atheist, then I have a question for you. 172 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:13.000 If Christianity were proven to be true, would you become 173 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:13.600 a Christian? 174 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:17.120 Maybe that's a hard one to answer. The God of 175 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:20.560 the Bible is an immoral monster who does not deserve worship. 176 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:22.279 So I would like to say that I'd stick to 177 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:24.600 my guns and refuse to worship him. But Hell is 178 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:26.759 scary and I don't want to go there, so I 179 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:28.920 might pretend to worship him in the hope that eventually 180 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:30.519 I'd be able to reach a point of sincerity that 181 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:33.679 would allow me into Heaven. But honestly, having to spend 182 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:36.320 an eternity worshiping the kind of abuse of monster who 183 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:38.799 would make you prostrate yourself for fear of eternal torture 184 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:41.799 sounds kind of like hell anyway, so maybe it wouldn't 185 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:44.399 be worth it. Ultimately, I don't actually know. 186 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:44.879 What i'd do. 187 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:45.919 Now. 188 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:48.840 If your answer is yes, then what evidence would you 189 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:50.480 like to see that would convince you? 190 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:52.559 Well, how about we start with the evidence that the 191 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:55.440 Bible says should be there. Christians should be able to 192 00:08:55.480 --> 00:08:58.000 heal people, cast out demons, speak in new languages, be 193 00:08:58.039 --> 00:08:59.879 immune to poison, and be able to pick up, sir. 194 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:03.120 Notice that in this verse, it does not require the 195 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:05.600 sick person to be a believer in order to be healed. 196 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:08.879 If this verse is correct, then any Christian should be 197 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:11.360 able to heal any sick person with the laying on 198 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:15.120 of hands. And yet even in the most Christian areas, 199 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:18.840 of the most Christian nations of the world, hospitals still exist. 200 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:20.799 The only people who seem to be able to do 201 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:24.200 any of those signs wind up being exposed as frauds 202 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:27.240 a La Peter popoff. Also, the pickup serpents bit is 203 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:29.519 kind of weird, like, that's a thing that I can 204 00:09:29.559 --> 00:09:32.039 do now. I guess the presumption is that they'll be 205 00:09:32.039 --> 00:09:34.440 immune to their venom, but that's not what it says. 206 00:09:34.519 --> 00:09:36.639 So I guess my handling of a garter snake that 207 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:38.600 I found in my yard the other day makes me 208 00:09:38.679 --> 00:09:42.159 a true Christian. But yeah, Christians can still be poisoned. 209 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:44.480 They can still die from snake bites. There isn't any 210 00:09:44.480 --> 00:09:47.440 indication that the exorcisms they perform are real. They don't 211 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:52.000 miraculously know new languages, and hospitals still exist. So at best, 212 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:54.679 here we are one for five on signs that accompany 213 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:57.000 those who believe, and the one that you get is 214 00:09:57.039 --> 00:10:00.080 one that I, a non believer, can also do. The 215 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:02.279 signs that the Bible says we'll accompany those who believe 216 00:10:02.559 --> 00:10:06.519 never actually materialize. There are two options here. The first 217 00:10:06.559 --> 00:10:09.720 is that nobody today is actually a true Christian. Y'all 218 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:11.960 are just a bunch of fakes. And second is that 219 00:10:12.039 --> 00:10:14.519 the Bible is wrong. And if the Bible is wrong, 220 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:16.360 I see no reason to believe that it is the 221 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:17.000 word of God. 222 00:10:17.960 --> 00:10:21.159 But if your answer is no, then that exposes something 223 00:10:21.559 --> 00:10:24.559 because if you still wouldn't become a Christian even if 224 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:27.600 it were proven true, then you don't actually care about 225 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:28.639 truth or evidence. 226 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:33.399 That's not actually how this works. Is Satan a Christian 227 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:37.159 in your view? Because Satan definitely believes in God and Jesus, 228 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:40.480 but he doesn't worship them. It is possible to believe 229 00:10:40.519 --> 00:10:44.279 that a thing exists without also worshiping that thing. In fact, 230 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:47.200 that is my relationship with pretty much everything that I 231 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:49.919 believe exists. It is a thing that exists, and I 232 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:50.879 do not worship it. 233 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:55.399 You see, often the reason why people reject Christianity is 234 00:10:55.480 --> 00:10:58.720 not because of intellectual reasons, but emotional reasons. 235 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:03.039 Yeah, so I've been told by Christian apologists. But as 236 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:07.000 someone who actually experienced the loss of Christianity for myself, 237 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:09.440 I can tell you that I was holding on to 238 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:13.159 it for emotional reasons. It was years between my first 239 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:15.360 doubts and my actual admission to myself that I had 240 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:17.919 become an atheist, and I spent much of that time 241 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:21.360 tearfully praying that God would reveal himself to me. When 242 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:24.480 I left the church, I lost my entire social group, 243 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:26.919 and I had it relatively easy. I know plenty of 244 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:30.120 people who ended up divorced or losing family over their deconversion. 245 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:32.840 If you only ever talk to apologists, you'll hear that 246 00:11:32.960 --> 00:11:35.840 most atheists are only atheists because of their emotions. They 247 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:38.159 just want to sin, they want to be their own God, 248 00:11:38.279 --> 00:11:40.960 et cetera. But the story I have heard from atheists 249 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:45.240 who are former Christians is almost always the exact opposite 250 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:48.840 of that. They actually really wanted to stay Christian, but 251 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:51.200 because of that aforementioned thing about how we don't choose 252 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:54.639 our beliefs, they wound up as unwilling atheists. Why do 253 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:57.799 you think it is that apologists seem incapable of listening 254 00:11:57.879 --> 00:12:01.399 to the atheists about why they are athis. I propose 255 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:04.440 that it's because if the atheists are actually being truthful, 256 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:07.200 then it proves Romans one eighteen through twenty wrong and 257 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:10.639 the Bible can't possibly be wrong, can it. So every 258 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:13.240 single atheist who claims to have wanted to remain a 259 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:16.919 Christian must just be lying. Seems like a rather emotional 260 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:17.840 reason to believe that. 261 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:21.639 Huh, they don't want Christian and it need to be true. 262 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:24.759 Not anymore I don't, but twenty five year old me 263 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:26.679 was desperate for it to be true. 264 00:12:27.039 --> 00:12:30.200 And they refuse to submit to God because they choose 265 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:31.840 to be their own God instead. 266 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:34.840 There it is, we just want to be our own God. 267 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:37.360 Never mind that my journey into atheism had me doing 268 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:40.159 everything I could to submit to God in a desperate 269 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:42.799 attempt to rekindle my faith. I really just wanted to 270 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:45.080 be my own God, So I deny the true God 271 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:49.120 in my unrighteousness. As so often happens when dealing with apologists, 272 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:51.440 you are assuming that you know more about what's going 273 00:12:51.480 --> 00:12:53.440 on in my inner life than I do. 274 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:59.120 The Bible actually never tries to prove God's existence incorrect. 275 00:12:59.320 --> 00:13:01.159 We literally just read the bit at the end of 276 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:03.039 Mark that says that Christians will be able to do 277 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:06.120 a bunch of stuff as signs signs of what the 278 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:08.720 fact that they follow the one true God. It also 279 00:13:08.799 --> 00:13:11.519 promises repeatedly that if you seek God, you will find Him. 280 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:13.879 Not to mention all the Old Testament stories of God 281 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:16.360 proving himself against the other gods of the time, The 282 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:18.559 Bible makes many attempts to prove it's God to you, 283 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:20.919 but y'all have to pretend it doesn't because, as it 284 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:23.919 turns out, the things that it says prove God don't 285 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:24.679 actually work. 286 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:29.879 In fact, the Bible actually says only a fool believes 287 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:30.759 there is no God. 288 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:33.600 Oh, that's how it is. The Bible doesn't try to 289 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:35.679 prove God. It just says that you're an idiot if 290 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:38.039 you don't believe in him. I'm not sure how that's 291 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:42.080 supposed to be a point in your favor, but eh. 292 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:44.679 That you can look out into creation and you can 293 00:13:44.759 --> 00:13:47.399 easily see there is a God. 294 00:13:47.759 --> 00:13:49.960 It doesn't try to prove God. It just says that 295 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:52.840 such and such a thing is proof of God. Do 296 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:53.720 you not see it? 297 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:58.679 The Bible doesn't try to prove the existence of God 298 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:03.799 because there's a very tough filhophical question that many atheists 299 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:07.159 have a hard time answering, and the tough philosophical question 300 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:12.279 is this, why is there something rather than nothing? 301 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:16.039 I don't know, and neither do you. You just pretend 302 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:18.399 to know because your book that says that anyone who 303 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:21.039 disagrees with you as an idiot says that God done 304 00:14:21.080 --> 00:14:21.279 did it. 305 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:27.039 The reason there is something rather than nothing means there 306 00:14:27.159 --> 00:14:28.559 must be a God. 307 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:32.519 Why and would whatever logic you use to get there 308 00:14:32.879 --> 00:14:36.200 not hold regarding God as well? God exists instead of nothing, 309 00:14:36.200 --> 00:14:38.159 So there is something rather than nothing, so there must 310 00:14:38.200 --> 00:14:39.120 be a super God. 311 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:39.440 Right? 312 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:43.440 Oh, but I forgot y'all define God as existing eternally 313 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:46.559 without being created and refuse to justify that definition in 314 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:48.600 a way that would actually preclude it from applying to 315 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:52.720 whatever came before the Big Bang. So God's a special case. 316 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:55.639 If only there were a word for when you plead 317 00:14:55.720 --> 00:14:56.600 specially like that. 318 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:02.440 So the Bible's not arguing to try to prove God's existence. 319 00:15:02.600 --> 00:15:06.639 What the Bible does is tell us who the God is, 320 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:11.440 what he is like, and how we relate to him. 321 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:13.200 And if the God of the Bible is the God 322 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:15.960 that exists, then he is a genocidal monster who is 323 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:19.799 massively self absorbed and I wouldn't want to relate to him. 324 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:25.080 And no book better does that than the Book of Genesis. 325 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:28.720 Yeah, that's the book where, if it were true, he 326 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:32.399 does the biggest genocide in history. Thankfully it's not true. 327 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:38.000 Christian here asking a question to all my atheists, have 328 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:42.360 you ever considered that? Like, if your belief system is wrong, 329 00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:48.000 then like there is an eternal punishment unfortunately, Like, if 330 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:49.639 you are wrong, I could. 331 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:52.320 Ask you that same question. If you are wrong, you 332 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:54.919 could wind up in Muslim hell. Have you ever considered that? 333 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:59.000 But if we're wrong, the Christians are wrong, and it's 334 00:15:59.080 --> 00:16:02.600 just like black all of this when you die, then like, 335 00:16:03.399 --> 00:16:06.840 what do Christians have to lose in what we believe? 336 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:09.320 Only the entirety of the one life that you know 337 00:16:09.440 --> 00:16:10.279 for sure that you get. 338 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:14.519 And I know this type of question aggravates a lot 339 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:15.159 of people. 340 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:17.639 There are two reasons that I can see that would 341 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:20.519 make this question aggravating. First is the frustration with the 342 00:16:20.600 --> 00:16:23.240 christians apparent blindness to the myriad of options that could 343 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:25.919 potentially be correct but do not fall into the dichotomy 344 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:29.320 of Christianity or atheism. Second is that the first thing 345 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:32.600 has been pointed out time and time again, but Christians 346 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:35.399 keep asking the same question as though it hasn't been 347 00:16:35.440 --> 00:16:38.759 well and thoroughly answered to bazillion times already. This isn't 348 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:41.360 like the normal philosophical stuff where there will be forever 349 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:44.279 arguments about the validity and soundness of some formal argument 350 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:47.120 or other. It is a question that is completely answered 351 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:50.919 by the mere existence of non Christian religions. But Christians 352 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:53.360 continue to think that it's some big showstopper of a 353 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:54.440 question for some reason. 354 00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:57.960 But I do want to bring it up because it's 355 00:16:58.039 --> 00:16:59.600 a really good and valid question. 356 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:02.519 It's really not though. It'd be like going out to 357 00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:04.359 a restaurant and telling the person you're with that they 358 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:07.519 really have to consider the consequences of ordering the salmon 359 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:10.519 or ordering nothing. If you order the salmon, you'll leave 360 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:13.200 here happy and fulfilled. But if you order nothing, then 361 00:17:13.319 --> 00:17:15.519 in the end you'll just still be hungry. So you 362 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:18.039 may as well order the salmon. But wait a minute, 363 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:20.119 what if I order the mushroom rafaoli that is also 364 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:23.759 on the menu. I don't understand. If you order the salmon, 365 00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:25.960 you'll be happy, but if you order nothing, you'll be hungry. 366 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:28.880 Why would you choose to order nothing. That's what y'all 367 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:32.200 sound like when you keep using Pascal's wager. That's ridiculous. 368 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:36.119 And it forces you to think and look at things 369 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:38.480 like a little bit more deeply, because I know that 370 00:17:38.519 --> 00:17:41.079 we don't have to worry about death right now, but 371 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:42.359 someday we will. 372 00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:45.160 Well, I would encourage you to think a little more 373 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:48.559 deeply about why you believe what you believe, because ultimately 374 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:52.119 you'll regret not agreeing with me after you die. Isn't 375 00:17:52.119 --> 00:17:55.160 all that convincing of an argument. That's it for this one. 376 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:56.920 Today's comment to the Day It comes to us from 377 00:17:57.000 --> 00:17:59.759 Josh Bunch of letters and Numbers, who says, if evolution 378 00:17:59.880 --> 00:18:02.680 were true, we should see the genome growing every single generation. 379 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:06.200 We don't. Also, we've had bacteria under observation for over 380 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:09.960 seventy thousand generations, which equates to millions of years of 381 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:14.119 human generations, and they haven't changed at all. There's still bacteria. 382 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:20.240 Evolution disproved. Well, Josh, regarding the genome growing, why do 383 00:18:20.279 --> 00:18:23.440 you think it should grow if evolution were true? There 384 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:26.119 really is no reason that I can see for that. Now. 385 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:29.640 Certainly there are evolutionary mechanisms that can cause there to 386 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:32.119 be more genetic material from one generation. 387 00:18:31.799 --> 00:18:32.319 To the next. 388 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:34.920 Look up polyploidy. Sometime it gets wild in a hurry, 389 00:18:35.359 --> 00:18:37.960 but there's no real reason to expect that to happen 390 00:18:38.039 --> 00:18:42.319 for every generation. As to the bacteria, bacteria is in 391 00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:47.440 classic taxonomy a domain of life. The three domains are bacteria, archaea, 392 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:50.359 and Eukaria. To say that they haven't changed because they 393 00:18:50.359 --> 00:18:53.480 are still bacteria is to say that elephants and mushrooms 394 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:57.400 are essentially the same thing, because you know they're both eukaryotes. 395 00:18:57.759 --> 00:18:59.759 But if you had actually read up on the long 396 00:18:59.799 --> 00:19:02.799 term Ecoli evolution experiment, which is the experiment I think 397 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:06.319 you're referencing here, you'd see that they were documenting evolutionary 398 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:08.519 changes in the various strains of E. Coli starting at 399 00:19:08.519 --> 00:19:11.119 generation two thousand. If you go to their website, there's 400 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:13.440 even a handy dandy history graph that you can scroll 401 00:19:13.480 --> 00:19:15.920