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<v Speaker 1>Hello there.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening

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<v Speaker 2>to Wicked and.

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<v Speaker 1>Grim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Warning.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast contains grabbing content and material intended more

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<v Speaker 1>mature audience. Listener discretion is advise nail the nailed at

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<v Speaker 1>this time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for the first time in a few weeks flawless.

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<v Speaker 1>Also my little uh not obi Wan Canobi in there.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you even caught onto that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I didn't actually hello there.

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<v Speaker 1>Star Wars people know Star Wars.

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<v Speaker 2>People know Hey, I've watched some Star Wars. I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know if you know that one.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I do.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe obi Wan Kenobi says hello.

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<v Speaker 2>There, Hello there.

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<v Speaker 1>He's known for that.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought you were just saying hello there to everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean I was as olbi Wan Kenobi, but

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't impersonating obi Wan Kenobi. It was just a

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<v Speaker 1>nod to obi Wan Kenobe. You know, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome everyone, you know not. Everyone might not like Star.

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<v Speaker 1>Wars, but they do like true crime and I like Alkamahole.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say beer, but yeah, same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually drinking a smearing off ice. I'm really changing

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<v Speaker 2>it up. It's not local, it's not wine, like what

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<v Speaker 2>the fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but we kind of need the booze this week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Cheers first of all, and cheers to you guys out

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<v Speaker 1>there listening chures welcome. This has been one roller coaster

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<v Speaker 1>of a week. First off, we hit one thousand followers

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<v Speaker 1>on Instagram. Whoa, So thank you to everyone out.

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<v Speaker 2>There for that inst sweet bollus on there. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>just like post more and more.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, oh, definitely, we're getting memes and there's always

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<v Speaker 1>not always there's usually a hint for the upcoming episode,

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<v Speaker 1>which I seriously thought I had people fooled on this one.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe.

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<v Speaker 2>But you fail as guest, one day you will we

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<v Speaker 2>will win one day.

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<v Speaker 1>One day. That's literally are at least my mission? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it for you too?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well it's my mission.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one hundred percent more of your mission. And I

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<v Speaker 2>bet you it won't be my mission, but I'll win probably.

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<v Speaker 1>But the more people don't tune in, the harder it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, well, because some people are like like I

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<v Speaker 2>thought I was a True Crime fan before, but like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I was some comparatively.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like there's I don't think I would have guessed

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<v Speaker 1>any of our hints. Well maybe one or two. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>like like it has.

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<v Speaker 2>A good work.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we hit another milestone this week you want

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<v Speaker 1>to dish it.

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<v Speaker 2>We hit a hundred thousand plays on the podcast Lock

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<v Speaker 2>and Wild.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys have listened to us now officially over one hundred.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's like one hundred and thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're at one hundred and thirteen thousand plays.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, which is just crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what you guys have listened to us.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny when I tell people this, I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess people like us. I don't really know why

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<v Speaker 2>what they do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, as far as everyone's told us, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like you guys are sitting down chatting with friends, which

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<v Speaker 1>we love.

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<v Speaker 2>That love. That's actually the vibe that if I would

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<v Speaker 2>pick a vibe, that'd be the vibell.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely, definitely the vibe.

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<v Speaker 2>The vibe we are. We have the vibe down.

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<v Speaker 1>We have the vibe down. And then lastly, we have

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<v Speaker 1>some news that rolled in today.

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<v Speaker 2>This is like personal news, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we sold our house officially, it's sold.

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<v Speaker 2>It's freakin' sold. And that was a roller coaster of

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<v Speaker 2>a motherfucker ride.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it was. Yeah, well that was anything in everything

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<v Speaker 1>that could have made that even more stressful, made that

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<v Speaker 1>just that much more stressful, and it happened. It was ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Like I literally after it was finally announced that

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<v Speaker 2>it was official, both of us were just like this

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<v Speaker 2>major weight our shoulders just sayank a little bit. It

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<v Speaker 2>was really nice feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, I feel like I just grew like two inches

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<v Speaker 1>taller and like lost like thirty pounds off my shoulders

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<v Speaker 1>in that stress.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because even if it's not like on your mind

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<v Speaker 2>at that particular time, it's on your mind still, like

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<v Speaker 2>it's just back there. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So we are moving into our tiny home this September.

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<v Speaker 1>September twentieth is our official. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to be out of here in three weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>So you guys are going to be seeing a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of tiny home stuff coming up on our Instagram, probably

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<v Speaker 1>at least in the stories.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>And you are going to be hearing tiny home podcasts

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<v Speaker 1>pretty soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I wonder how it's gonna sound in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, right, we'll make it sound good. Oh, we do

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<v Speaker 1>have another thing tomorrow. You are officially Oh yeah, haste

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<v Speaker 1>full time photographer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as of four thirty, I do not have a

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<v Speaker 2>corporate day job anymore, full.

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<v Speaker 1>Time photography, and who knows, maybe you'll be doing like

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<v Speaker 1>some full time podcast and soon too.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, it's like wild, I don't know what's going

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<v Speaker 2>to what I'm going to do. I think I bet

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<v Speaker 2>you would be another just like weight lifted off, probably

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<v Speaker 2>because that place I don't know work. I got slapped

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<v Speaker 2>in the face this year and really was shown that

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<v Speaker 2>you're kind of just a number. You know, you work

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<v Speaker 2>your ass off for other people, but you are replaceable,

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<v Speaker 2>so to some, not to all companies. Some companies are better,

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<v Speaker 2>but especially like corporate you know, I really think even

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<v Speaker 2>more so you're probably just a number.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I definitely feel you there. You and I are both,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least we're both in that situation. As of tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 1>you no longer are, but we are slowly moving towards

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<v Speaker 1>that direction of our life goal doing podcast, photography, videography

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<v Speaker 1>and living the tiny home life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, to be like doing our own ventures, and you'll

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<v Speaker 2>be behind me very You'll be there soon, very soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we of course have all you guys helping

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<v Speaker 1>us on that path. So thank you very much everything

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<v Speaker 1>along thing this journey so far.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's funny when you first said that why we're drinking,

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna be like, yeah, because this case is fucked.

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<v Speaker 2>You told me is why I need alcohol. This case

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<v Speaker 2>is not because of these other things.

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<v Speaker 1>So to warn everyone out there, if you recall, if

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<v Speaker 1>you did listen to forty four Days of Hell, Junco Fortura,

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<v Speaker 1>I think because how you actually say your name. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe I was pronouncing your name. Okay, okay, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I had the R in the wrong spot of her name.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Fortura, I think. But it's very reminiscent of that episode,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the worst episode we've done so far.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it shook me.

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<v Speaker 1>This one's not quite as bad, but it's almost.

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<v Speaker 2>As bad because the amount that I still think about

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<v Speaker 2>that episode like just blows my mind. It was this

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<v Speaker 2>the worst story I think I've ever heard. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>so everyone on the on instagrams, oh my gosh, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so excited, and here I'm just like, shit, how can

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<v Speaker 2>I get out of this? But no, it is like

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<v Speaker 2>at least it's entertaining, but it's just like, oh, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just brutal. But I'm here for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, buckle up your seatbelts, because we are moving into

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<v Speaker 1>the case that is known as the Hello Kitty Murder.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh, if that's not a creepy name, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I did see that on Instagram because yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of followed the comments, but I do actually read

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<v Speaker 2>the comments. Yeah, and I was like that, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>literally what went through my mind. That's a fucked up name.

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<v Speaker 2>But okay, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna learn why it's a fucked up name, because

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<v Speaker 1>this is a fucked up case.

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<v Speaker 2>Really really, okay, I do know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, surprise, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Gonna I should have got a second smear en off.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>We can pause this.

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<v Speaker 2>We can pause it for a beverage break.

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<v Speaker 1>Get a whole ass bottle of wine in each hand. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go into this. So in May of nineteen ninety nine,

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<v Speaker 1>a young fourteen year old girl made her way to

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<v Speaker 1>the Hong Kong police station. This takes place in Hong Kong. Clearly,

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<v Speaker 1>if you didn't catch on to that, now you know, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, okay, So slowly she opened the door and

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<v Speaker 1>reluctantly walked in. She spoke with the officers at the

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<v Speaker 1>front desk in a terrified voice, and she revealed that

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<v Speaker 1>for the past several weeks she had been constantly plagued

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<v Speaker 1>by the ghost of a woman who had been bound

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<v Speaker 1>by electrical wire, beaten, and tortured to death. Her lifeless

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<v Speaker 1>body would follow her into her dreams, where she would

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<v Speaker 1>see her headless and a voice would scream at her,

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<v Speaker 1>saying to give her head back.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so this is a lot to take care.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a lot, because ever says like, oh, no,

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<v Speaker 2>she's only fourteen, but okay, but well, just I hold

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<v Speaker 2>on that. I know, I know, yeah I jumped there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But police were clearly this is a lot taken Like,

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<v Speaker 1>police are like, what the fuck right, They're stunned. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't really too sure what to think of this

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<v Speaker 1>for the most part. They kind of just brushed her off,

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<v Speaker 1>really kind of dismissing it as nothing more than like

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<v Speaker 1>nightmares or just having a nightmare, or potentially even just

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<v Speaker 1>a kid pulling a prank. They quickly looked her up

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<v Speaker 1>in the system at the front desk, and she had

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<v Speaker 1>known to have some like run away and run in

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<v Speaker 1>with the police and.

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<v Speaker 2>That sort of stuff, so dang it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so they're like, okay, maybe she's just like pulling

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<v Speaker 1>a prank or just you know, you got to go home.

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<v Speaker 1>Like what can the police do about your nightmares? Like, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>little girl, like maybe talk to your mom and dad

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe I don't know, try not watching scary movies

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<v Speaker 1>before beds sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Listening to True crime afore.

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<v Speaker 1>Bed Yeah that too.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people actually listened to that

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<v Speaker 2>to like fall asleep, and I probably thinks hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>I usually listen on my ride to work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when I.

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<v Speaker 1>Quit my day job, I'm gonna have to find a

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<v Speaker 1>spot to listen to my true crime.

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<v Speaker 2>I usually listen on road trips. I get caught up

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<v Speaker 2>by I haven't really been doing any road trips, so

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<v Speaker 2>your nasty, nasty, nasty. That's my favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good one. So the police attitude, however, did

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<v Speaker 1>quickly change when the girl explained that the ghost was

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that would change.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So the officers are like, wait, you helped kill

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<v Speaker 1>So officers were led back to the girls apartment and

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<v Speaker 2>Road, and so the little girls leading them her apartment.

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<v Speaker 1>They're taking, well, it's not her apartment, but where she lives. Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>to the apartment she claims that murder. Murder happened. So

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<v Speaker 1>they were greeted with an overwhelming smell of rot and decaying.

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<v Speaker 2>Gross.

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<v Speaker 1>The girl's dreams may not have been dreams. They may

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<v Speaker 1>more likely have been very real nightmares.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gross.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So that's kind of our little introduction.

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<v Speaker 2>That's quite the intro.

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<v Speaker 1>So this case is actually a little fact for you here,

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<v Speaker 1>little factoids. This case has been labeled as the fourth

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<v Speaker 1>most infamous case in Hong Kong as per Poles in

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<v Speaker 1>early two thousands, but many actually argue that it's since

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<v Speaker 2>Really interesting, and there's.

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<v Speaker 1>Also been two film adaptations in two thousand and one

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<v Speaker 1>of this gruesome case.

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<v Speaker 2>Which and that's what you posted.

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<v Speaker 1>It was one of the hints. It was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the film posters on Instagram. The two films are titled

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<v Speaker 1>Human Pork Chop and There's a Secret in My Soup.

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<v Speaker 1>You raised your hand like you had a question.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you don't have to announce that. I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>But okay, are those like I'm curious, I forgot to ask,

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<v Speaker 2>are those like popular movies or what? Are not really

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<v Speaker 1>Sure they were, like they were more popular at the

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<v Speaker 1>time in Hong Kong. I don't think they've had well,

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<v Speaker 1>they might have translated copies. I don't know. Okay, I've

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<v Speaker 1>never watched them. I kinda I almost want to now,

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<v Speaker 1>but now also knowing that they're adapted from a real murder,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Know if like I do like those true stories, but normally,

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<v Speaker 2>like for sports inspirational.

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<v Speaker 1>Movies, yeah, yeah, you get that Sandra Bullock in there

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<v Speaker 1>with the football one hundred percent, but like this one

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<v Speaker 1>is like, I don't know, I don't think like a

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<v Speaker 1>horror movie should be adapted from a true true crime.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand like entertainment value in wanting to see horror movies.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that but it's I don't know, it almost

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<v Speaker 1>seems like it's crossing that line for much maybe for

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<v Speaker 1>the victim, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I'm not I.

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<v Speaker 1>Want to watch these movies, but I'm a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>conflicted at the same time. So anyways, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>story of Fan Man Yee. She was born in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy six. She had a rough childhood. Her life began

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<v Speaker 1>and she was forced to be raised in an all

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<v Speaker 1>girls' school in Hong Kong. Oh god, they're good.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm already not good. You're just like holding your

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<v Speaker 2>my heart. It just like she had a ship life

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<v Speaker 2>right from the get go. Oh but I mean, would

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<v Speaker 2>it be better if she didn't?

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<v Speaker 1>But still would it be better if she didn't?

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<v Speaker 2>Well no, it might mean like would this story be

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<v Speaker 2>easier to swallow if she had a good childhood? I

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<v Speaker 2>dobably not think. So, Okay, I'm already there, Okay, let's

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<v Speaker 2>do it. Let's do it. We're doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. She grew up into her teen years, and she

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<v Speaker 1>began to develop a drug addiction and to help support

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<v Speaker 1>her addictions, just like many others did, into becoming a

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<v Speaker 2>As a teenager. Sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, things did eventually turn around for fan Men Ye. However,

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<v Speaker 1>by the time she was twenty three years old, she

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<v Speaker 1>ended up landing herself a nice, steady job and was

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<v Speaker 1>working as a hostess at a nightclub in Hong Kong.

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<v Speaker 2>Right on.

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<v Speaker 1>No, like hostess isn't necessarily like a glamor like a glamorous,

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<v Speaker 1>super high paying job. But it was a job, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was a good job for her, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>a way to escape the life that she grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in and she learned to hate.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so she's trying to make like a better life

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<v Speaker 1>for herself. She's trying to get out of that.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely. She was, however, still living paycheck to paycheck,

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<v Speaker 1>aren't we all? Yeah, one hundred percent, Like so many

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<v Speaker 1>people can understand the pressure that it brings, a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Of people live that way.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, well, struggle to pay bills, like any

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<v Speaker 1>sort of savings, that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a burp. This beer is like foamy. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>good xy, No, I'm not good, Okay, now I'm good. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>my bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh welcome to wickeding Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, that's pretty well sums it up right there. So,

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<v Speaker 1>she unfortunately was still a sex worker on the side

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<v Speaker 1>to earn necessary money that she needed to subsidize her paycheck.

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<v Speaker 1>And although she despised using drugs anymore, she was still using.

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<v Speaker 1>She had an addiction, right Okay, it was hard for

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<v Speaker 1>her to turn away, and a lot of people who

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<v Speaker 1>struggle with addiction can attest to the same sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So with an addiction, with whatever extra money she did

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<v Speaker 1>end up accumulating with intentions of saving, she would tend

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<v Speaker 1>to spend it on her addiction, right dang. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety six, Fan, I'm going to not refer to as

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<v Speaker 1>fan Man yet just Fan. From here on out, her

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<v Speaker 1>life began to look up a little bit. She got

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<v Speaker 1>married and she had given birth to a baby boy.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Right on.

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<v Speaker 1>Her family kept her going and it gave her a

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<v Speaker 1>reason to try and aim for a better life, even

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<v Speaker 1>though both her and her husband were using drugs. Yes. So,

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<v Speaker 1>then in nineteen ninety seven, she met thirty four year

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<v Speaker 1>old She met a thirty four year old there you go,

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<v Speaker 1>my bad man by the name of chan Man Luck.

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<v Speaker 1>While working at the nightclub and the two hit it off,

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<v Speaker 1>and as it turns out, Chan happened to be a

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but she's also still married.

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<v Speaker 1>She's still married, yes, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Meeting someone else that she's hitting it off with.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, she didn't like originally, just hit it off with

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<v Speaker 1>them in like a sexual way. It was more so

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<v Speaker 1>likely became friends at first, Okay, but him being a pimp.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, things turn a little bit here.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I lost my place.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. I'm very intrigued here. I'm allowed to ask questions.

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<v Speaker 1>You are you are? I'm not giving you shit. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just trying to stall while I find my.

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<v Speaker 2>Spot on the point knows you asked me a million

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<v Speaker 2>questions during a case, and you have no patience whatsoever

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<v Speaker 2>to find out the outcome.

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<v Speaker 1>I get really excited and curious you do. Oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>lost my spot entirely, like page even.

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<v Speaker 2>I was trying to stall.

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<v Speaker 1>More for you, I know, but then I was talking

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<v Speaker 1>to you. But here we are. I found it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're good, okay, awesome, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was the beginning of a very convenient friendship,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, friendship for the both of them. Fan

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<v Speaker 1>had joined Manlocke's group of girls. So I should refer

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<v Speaker 1>him as Chan. I wrote there his last name him.

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<v Speaker 1>So Chan this group of girls he would set out

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<v Speaker 1>on jobs. So she did what she was told, not

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily told or demanded, but she was like, yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll join in, right, she set out to work. She

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<v Speaker 1>looked at his benefit for her to earn new clients.

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<v Speaker 1>It was an opportunity to get out there and use

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<v Speaker 1>that market that he was in to bring in more

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<v Speaker 1>money for herself and of course have a drug dealer

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<v Speaker 1>basically on speed dial on the side.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this doesn't sound like it's going to be the

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<v Speaker 2>best for her.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely not. And it did get to the point too

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<v Speaker 1>where Chan would actually pay Fan for sex as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really yes, So.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't have an intimate relationship per se, but they

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<v Speaker 1>did exchange money for sex the two of them.

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<v Speaker 2>And like her when she was with her husband previously

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<v Speaker 2>to meeting Chan, was she being a sex worker too?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Oh, she's been a sex worker pretty well this

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<v Speaker 1>whole time since her teens.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so even while she was married there with the kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Now, it's not clear to me as far as

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<v Speaker 1>whether the husband knows she was a sex worker.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, that's what I was curious.

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<v Speaker 1>Later on in the court case through this whole thing,

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<v Speaker 1>her husband does say that she was clean, she wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>using anymore. Whether that was a flat out lie or

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<v Speaker 1>he just didn't know, but okay, so it could very

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<v Speaker 1>well be the same thing. He was just not knowledgeable

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<v Speaker 1>of the sex work as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So it came to March seventeenth, nineteen ninety nine, when

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<v Speaker 1>fans drug addiction once again got the better of her,

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<v Speaker 1>and this time she didn't have any money at hand

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<v Speaker 1>to support it. So she became desperate for cash, and

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<v Speaker 1>she made a decision that would that she would regret

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<v Speaker 1>for the rest of her life. She turned to stealing

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<v Speaker 1>Chan's wallet. Now, her and Chan were together one evening

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<v Speaker 1>for a sexual encounter that he was paying her for, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>And after he had left the room, she snagged his

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<v Speaker 1>wallet and stole his cash.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's like, scary dud.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he's a pimp, drug dealer guy, so he's into

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<v Speaker 1>gangs and shit and yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Shit, yeah, I guess so.

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<v Speaker 1>So the wallet would contain approximately twenty thousand Hong Kong dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>which would equal out to two thousand five hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>sixty US dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, At first, I was like, whoa, who cares?

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<v Speaker 1>Around twenty genis which is approximately equivalent to four thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred and fifty four dollars today in US dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is like, still a significant amount of money to

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<v Speaker 2>just be carrying in your freaking wallet.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, and if you put that into Canadian that's

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<v Speaker 1>probably damn near five thousand dollars Canadian today.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like, if I have fifty bucks in my wallet,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, we live in life.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoa, I go to Timmy's Boys. Okay, sorry, Timmy's run aside.

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<v Speaker 1>So when Chan found out, he was literally in a

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<v Speaker 1>brutal blind rage when he discovered that his money was missing,

434
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<v Speaker 1>and he obviously quickly was able to figure out who

435
00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:55.920
<v Speaker 1>stole it, as Fan was the only one in the

436
00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:59.119
<v Speaker 1>room at the time it went missing. Right, So he

437
00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:01.960
<v Speaker 1>set out and up with his friends, twenty seven year

438
00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:07.359
<v Speaker 1>old Lung shin Cho, twenty one year old Lung Wai Lun,

439
00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:13.160
<v Speaker 1>and Chan's fourteen year old underage girlfriend. Now remember Chan

440
00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:17.359
<v Speaker 1>is I believe thirty four years old, oh and his

441
00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:20.400
<v Speaker 1>girlfriend is fourteen wow?

442
00:21:20.599 --> 00:21:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so this is going south isn't it.

443
00:21:24.359 --> 00:21:30.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, With his three accomplices, they went out, kidnapped Fan

444
00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:33.559
<v Speaker 1>and took her back to his apartment at number thirty

445
00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:36.880
<v Speaker 1>one Granville Road, where they imprisoned her.

446
00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:39.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness okay and that fourt okay.

447
00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:42.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh you're putting it together as a fourteen.

448
00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Year old girl usually doesn't connect. But it's connecting to

449
00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:45.880
<v Speaker 2>way to go.

450
00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Good job him five on that one?

451
00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:53.359
<v Speaker 2>Yes, boh okay, wow okay.

452
00:21:53.920 --> 00:22:00.000
<v Speaker 1>So Chan's plan originally was to pimp out Fan continuously

453
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<v Speaker 1>until he felt that his debt was paid back plus interest.

454
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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

455
00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:09.759
<v Speaker 1>Now, when Fan was first confronted, she quickly admitted what

456
00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:14.279
<v Speaker 1>she'd done, like super storry, gave the money back instantly,

457
00:22:14.839 --> 00:22:17.359
<v Speaker 1>plus a couple hundred more that she had earned in

458
00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:19.400
<v Speaker 1>the time that it took for Chan to find her.

459
00:22:20.200 --> 00:22:23.400
<v Speaker 1>So she had paid back already the money plus.

460
00:22:23.240 --> 00:22:26.319
<v Speaker 2>Interest, which is really good it is.

461
00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:31.079
<v Speaker 1>However, Chan didn't consider this payment to the debt. This

462
00:22:31.279 --> 00:22:32.559
<v Speaker 1>was just his money.

463
00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:35.680
<v Speaker 2>He's not a forgiving dude, no, by the sounds of it.

464
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<v Speaker 1>So he got his money. It was already his money.

465
00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:41.880
<v Speaker 1>But now she owes him plus interest.

466
00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:43.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but shared he paid him extra.

467
00:22:43.799 --> 00:22:48.480
<v Speaker 1>That was his money now he needs her money plus interest.

468
00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:50.559
<v Speaker 1>That's the perspective he had.

469
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<v Speaker 2>Terrible will make mistakes, And she was like having an addiction, like,

470
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<v Speaker 2>but I'm sure this dude is just not a kind

471
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<v Speaker 2>of person.

472
00:22:59.799 --> 00:23:02.480
<v Speaker 1>I would not label him as kind.

473
00:23:02.599 --> 00:23:04.079
<v Speaker 2>He's probably the opposite of kind.

474
00:23:04.160 --> 00:23:07.359
<v Speaker 1>I would label him as many things, among one of

475
00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:08.640
<v Speaker 1>them probably a douche canoe.

476
00:23:08.920 --> 00:23:10.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like a nasty mouful.

477
00:23:10.960 --> 00:23:15.160
<v Speaker 1>You're nasty, That's what i'd say to Yeah, he's he's

478
00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:17.240
<v Speaker 1>a piece of work. This man's piece of shit.

479
00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:20.359
<v Speaker 2>Well I already feel that way, and I probably don't

480
00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:21.119
<v Speaker 2>even know half of it.

481
00:23:21.799 --> 00:23:25.799
<v Speaker 1>Like if if shit could walk and it was this person, no, no, no,

482
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<v Speaker 1>if shit could walk and it would step in shit,

483
00:23:29.079 --> 00:23:32.559
<v Speaker 1>it would be like, ew, I stepped in chan. That's

484
00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:33.599
<v Speaker 1>what shit would say.

485
00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, so nice.

486
00:23:36.440 --> 00:23:38.359
<v Speaker 1>Right, Well not really, it's kind of gross.

487
00:23:38.920 --> 00:23:42.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well it's it's a nice description. I like it.

488
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<v Speaker 2>I like it a lot.

489
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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you. I went later on here we're going

490
00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:48.000
<v Speaker 1>to get into some well coming up here. Actually, in

491
00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:50.680
<v Speaker 1>a moment, I went to some good descriptive writing. So

492
00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:51.519
<v Speaker 1>let's see how I'll do it.

493
00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:53.400
<v Speaker 2>All cool.

494
00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:57.799
<v Speaker 1>Now being held captive, fan was about to endure more

495
00:23:58.440 --> 00:24:02.279
<v Speaker 1>in a month than any human ever should in a lifetime.

496
00:24:04.119 --> 00:24:05.839
<v Speaker 1>And to top it all off, the place she was

497
00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:08.319
<v Speaker 1>being held captive at was something out of a nightmare,

498
00:24:09.079 --> 00:24:12.519
<v Speaker 1>but not something you would expect. Side note, here's where

499
00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:15.240
<v Speaker 1>my descriptive writing comes in. Let's say, okay, let's see

500
00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:19.000
<v Speaker 1>how I do. I'm really proud of this, but to

501
00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:20.519
<v Speaker 1>be fair, I wrote it when I was really tired

502
00:24:20.599 --> 00:24:22.400
<v Speaker 1>last night and I haven't gone over it since. So

503
00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:25.640
<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe it's terrible. We'll find out. So I'm gonna

504
00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:29.400
<v Speaker 1>read it verbatim here. Okay, we all know creepy places

505
00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:33.039
<v Speaker 1>are dark, cold, and even damp. Maybe there are echoes

506
00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:35.920
<v Speaker 1>that ring through large open spaces but you can't see

507
00:24:35.920 --> 00:24:38.480
<v Speaker 1>how far it goes. Or maybe the walls are tight

508
00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:41.160
<v Speaker 1>with a low, overhanging roof that seems to be shrinking

509
00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:45.599
<v Speaker 1>down every minute. Perhaps it's a tranquil forest where no

510
00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:49.359
<v Speaker 1>person is around. You are totally alone, but once you

511
00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:52.640
<v Speaker 1>stop to listen, you notice there are no birds chirping

512
00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:59.480
<v Speaker 1>or humming of insects, just silence. How was that that

513
00:24:59.559 --> 00:25:00.680
<v Speaker 1>was good? Yeah?

514
00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Like I'm impressed.

515
00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:02.839
<v Speaker 1>Had I'm a back for that one?

516
00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Like ten? Ten? Good job, thank you?

517
00:25:05.799 --> 00:25:09.039
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so this place was not that kind of creepy.

518
00:25:09.079 --> 00:25:13.559
<v Speaker 1>This place was a totally different kind of creepy. It's

519
00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:15.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of reminiscent of like, you know, some people are

520
00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:19.200
<v Speaker 1>afraid of, like birthday clowns, like the laughs, the smiles

521
00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:23.400
<v Speaker 1>and every move like it's creepy. Right, Yeah, Well, this apartment,

522
00:25:23.440 --> 00:25:26.279
<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason, was similar to that. It was a

523
00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:30.519
<v Speaker 1>doorn top to bottom with brightly colored Hello Kitty decor.

524
00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:33.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, this is where this comes in.

525
00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:39.200
<v Speaker 1>From pillows to blankets, to dishes, furniture posters that covered

526
00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:43.079
<v Speaker 1>the walls, dolls, plush toys in the apartment. It was

527
00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:48.079
<v Speaker 1>just full on hell Hello Kitty, room for room.

528
00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:50.319
<v Speaker 2>Whose freaking apartment was this?

529
00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:51.359
<v Speaker 1>This was Chance apartment.

530
00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:55.319
<v Speaker 2>Really. I don't know if it was one of maybe I.

531
00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:58.039
<v Speaker 1>Don't know if it was his like stay at apartment,

532
00:25:58.799 --> 00:26:01.200
<v Speaker 1>but I do know that he opers rated as a

533
00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:04.160
<v Speaker 1>drug dealer and a pimp out of this apartment. He

534
00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:06.880
<v Speaker 1>did a lot of like transaction stores sort of stuff.

535
00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:09.720
<v Speaker 2>He was like literally obsessed with Hello Killer Kitty.

536
00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:12.039
<v Speaker 1>I think, so, yeah, that's.

537
00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:16.880
<v Speaker 2>Wild, yeah, but I like, oh, I'm the Hello Kitty

538
00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:19.640
<v Speaker 2>I think is well popular here too, but even worse

539
00:26:19.720 --> 00:26:20.119
<v Speaker 2>over there.

540
00:26:20.200 --> 00:26:23.279
<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, I'm not too sure if it is even

541
00:26:23.319 --> 00:26:25.559
<v Speaker 1>more so over there, but I do know, like literally

542
00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:28.640
<v Speaker 1>when Hello Kitty came out, like it was just exploded,

543
00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:29.240
<v Speaker 1>like worldwide.

544
00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I remember being in a Hello Kitty store when

545
00:26:31.920 --> 00:26:34.359
<v Speaker 2>I was like probably fourteen.

546
00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Ye. I don't know where I was here in northern

547
00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:38.759
<v Speaker 1>British Columbia.

548
00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:41.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, no, it's just a store chilling out a

549
00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:44.759
<v Speaker 2>pine tree. When I was there, Oh that makes sense,

550
00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:49.440
<v Speaker 2>was dead, Yeah, gotcha. But I wasn't super into Hello Kitty.

551
00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:51.400
<v Speaker 2>But I was like also, like, this is okay. I

552
00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:53.720
<v Speaker 2>can get down for this. But I don't think i'd

553
00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:56.559
<v Speaker 2>have my whole house no decorated Hello Kitty. I wasn't

554
00:26:56.640 --> 00:26:58.960
<v Speaker 2>quite there. No, no, not quite.

555
00:26:58.640 --> 00:26:59.319
<v Speaker 1>Maybe one day.

556
00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah maybe the tiny Oh this our tiny home. Let's

557
00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:04.240
<v Speaker 2>do Hello Kitty.

558
00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Let's do it.

559
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:05.559
<v Speaker 2>Let's do it.

560
00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Can we like sculpt a big Hello Kitty head on

561
00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:08.519
<v Speaker 1>the front of it.

562
00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:11.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we could paint it like pink and white and

563
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:13.119
<v Speaker 2>just go all out here.

564
00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:14.079
<v Speaker 1>Let's do it.

565
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:14.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

566
00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:17.400
<v Speaker 1>None, we can like, oh, we can put our microphones

567
00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:19.960
<v Speaker 1>hook it up to the mouth of Hello Kitty. So

568
00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:22.000
<v Speaker 1>when we talked, the mouth move at the front of

569
00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:22.640
<v Speaker 1>the tiny home.

570
00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:26.240
<v Speaker 2>Okay, side note, though, this Hello Kitty for me as

571
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:29.440
<v Speaker 2>a kid would probably be Eminem's. Remember how I had

572
00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:32.519
<v Speaker 2>literally every eminem to censor possible and I thought Eminem's

573
00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:35.119
<v Speaker 2>was like the sweetest thing. I was an Eminem for Halloween.

574
00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:36.880
<v Speaker 1>What about beanie babies though?

575
00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:40.440
<v Speaker 2>I was also obsessed with that? Oh yeah, I had

576
00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:43.599
<v Speaker 2>a lot of obsessions actually as a small or early

577
00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:46.440
<v Speaker 2>child or no like early teens.

578
00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:52.279
<v Speaker 1>Tweens, as a as a toddler to adult to now, yeah,

579
00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:54.920
<v Speaker 1>because you still have a bin full of beanie babies

580
00:27:54.920 --> 00:27:55.279
<v Speaker 1>in storage.

581
00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:57.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's just because like that was my life saving

582
00:27:57.240 --> 00:27:57.960
<v Speaker 2>so it.

583
00:27:58.039 --> 00:28:01.359
<v Speaker 1>Might be worth millions one day. Okay, let's get back

584
00:28:01.400 --> 00:28:06.720
<v Speaker 1>to this. We're distracted here. Okay, So everything that occurred

585
00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:10.720
<v Speaker 1>over the next month isn't exactly known. I just want

586
00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:14.559
<v Speaker 1>to highlight the word exactly. We do know things that happened,

587
00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:19.599
<v Speaker 1>but we don't know everything that happened. Okay, okay, And

588
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:21.079
<v Speaker 1>that's going to come to play a little later on.

589
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:25.440
<v Speaker 1>Some of the things we can assume happen though that

590
00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:29.039
<v Speaker 1>Chant had many people come by to pay for time

591
00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:36.200
<v Speaker 1>with her. Again, it was never said specifically, but we

592
00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:41.599
<v Speaker 1>can assume that happened again to potentially pay off that debt.

593
00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:44.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, that was just like original plan. So yeah,

594
00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:45.240
<v Speaker 2>that makes sense.

595
00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:50.039
<v Speaker 1>And eventually it moved on to being beat and tortured daily,

596
00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:56.519
<v Speaker 1>and beatings and tortures began. Now they can't necessarily pimper

597
00:28:56.599 --> 00:29:02.079
<v Speaker 1>out because bruises, beatings, swelling, right, So it just turned

598
00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:03.839
<v Speaker 1>straight into the torture.

599
00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:05.680
<v Speaker 2>I hate that.

600
00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So the individuals, this is where we start getting

601
00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:12.440
<v Speaker 1>into it. To anyone who's a little squeamish out there,

602
00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:17.359
<v Speaker 1>So the individuals already done it. But okay, oh you

603
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:18.319
<v Speaker 1>thought we already went over.

604
00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah I thought that was it.

605
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:23.799
<v Speaker 1>But oh no, no, no, no, we're we're really diving in

606
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:27.000
<v Speaker 1>deep here. So while she was being held captive, what

607
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:30.119
<v Speaker 1>would happen to her by these individuals. They would regularly

608
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:34.279
<v Speaker 1>be high on meth, first of all, and they would

609
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:38.279
<v Speaker 1>beat her, and I mean beat her. She was beaten

610
00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:43.079
<v Speaker 1>with metal bars, shit kicked repeatedly and I mean repeatedly,

611
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:49.720
<v Speaker 1>and stomped repeatedly. Okay, yeah, Melted plastic would be dripped

612
00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:53.759
<v Speaker 1>and poured over her body as she was tied and bound.

613
00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, yeah you're good, Yeah, I'm here.

614
00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:02.839
<v Speaker 1>The she wanted to make fans suffer most of all,

615
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:06.759
<v Speaker 1>but they also wanted her to not be able to

616
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:14.160
<v Speaker 1>run away. Oh jeez, uh oh, you're good. Yeah here,

617
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:18.000
<v Speaker 1>so they would frequently use her as a literal punching bag,

618
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:20.000
<v Speaker 1>much like Junko was.

619
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:20.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

620
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:25.759
<v Speaker 1>They would stuff things into her open wounds and cuts

621
00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:31.400
<v Speaker 1>to cause her more pain and infections. Lighters would be

622
00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:34.039
<v Speaker 1>held up to the bare soles of her feet to

623
00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:38.480
<v Speaker 1>burn so she couldn't stand or walk. She would be

624
00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:41.319
<v Speaker 1>having her feet burned as she screamed, and she was

625
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:44.799
<v Speaker 1>She would try to pull away but couldn't because of

626
00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:51.039
<v Speaker 1>her restraints. Cords and cables were used to keep her

627
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:54.079
<v Speaker 1>bound and in many cases used to beat and strangle

628
00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:59.400
<v Speaker 1>her as well. The young fourteen year old girl who

629
00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:04.480
<v Speaker 1>went to the police, she even recalls a time when

630
00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:08.119
<v Speaker 1>she was ordered to defecate in a box so they

631
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:09.240
<v Speaker 1>could force feed it.

632
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:14.480
<v Speaker 2>To find Oh my gosh, okay, I shut up for

633
00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:17.920
<v Speaker 2>a minute there, but this is just too much, this

634
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:18.839
<v Speaker 2>is just.

635
00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:23.359
<v Speaker 1>So, that's all we Wow, she went through.

636
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:28.160
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's fucked, that's fucked. That's mega mega, megafucked.

637
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:32.680
<v Speaker 1>So over the course of a month, fanandered all this

638
00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:37.200
<v Speaker 1>punish to the point where she was eventually either killed

639
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:39.880
<v Speaker 1>by one of the incidents, or it succumbed to the

640
00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:42.720
<v Speaker 1>wounds she had received over the course of the imprisonment.

641
00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:45.359
<v Speaker 2>And sorry, do we know it wasn't like a month

642
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:46.559
<v Speaker 2>or we don't know.

643
00:31:46.599 --> 00:31:47.880
<v Speaker 1>It was over the course of a month.

644
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:52.279
<v Speaker 2>Okay, not that that's like not that's still a freaking

645
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:53.119
<v Speaker 2>long ass time.

646
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:54.319
<v Speaker 1>But that's still a long time.

647
00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:59.880
<v Speaker 2>It was longer. Holy shit, Right, I need to take

648
00:31:59.880 --> 00:32:00.279
<v Speaker 2>a either.

649
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:00.720
<v Speaker 1>Are you good?

650
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:05.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm great, you're great. Yeah, you sure, Yeah, I'm great.

651
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:07.359
<v Speaker 1>Taking a swig of that drink. I'm almost out, it's

652
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:09.160
<v Speaker 1>almost gone. Wow, that's impressive.

653
00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, Rerick, I told you.

654
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:14.799
<v Speaker 1>I had to take a swig of mine.

655
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a lot.

656
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:21.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay. So when she did die, though, Chen and his

657
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:24.640
<v Speaker 1>friends didn't really seem to care, there was no remorse.

658
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:27.640
<v Speaker 1>It was as if a simple object in the apartment

659
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:29.839
<v Speaker 1>was broken and it was time to get rid of

660
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:34.599
<v Speaker 1>it and move on. So they began the process of

661
00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:35.759
<v Speaker 1>disposing her body.

662
00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:39.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I just have to say, like, literally stealing is bad,

663
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:43.759
<v Speaker 2>but like just stealing, and like she apologized and gave

664
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:46.160
<v Speaker 2>it back and was like just making a mistake, and

665
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:49.000
<v Speaker 2>she had like an excuse because she was addicted to drugs,

666
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:53.039
<v Speaker 2>and like, did this really deserve this? No, it did

667
00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:57.079
<v Speaker 2>not deserve this, Like like that's nuts.

668
00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:00.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, these guys are fucked. They are one hundred percent gum.

669
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:02.279
<v Speaker 2>They deserve to burn totally.

670
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:08.519
<v Speaker 1>So when they began disposing her body, they first brought

671
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:11.119
<v Speaker 1>her to the bathtub and they cut her arteries and

672
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:12.759
<v Speaker 1>started bleeding her out in the bathtub.

673
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:14.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I thought I was gonna go break in bad

674
00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:17.200
<v Speaker 2>stop but okay, no, well.

675
00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:19.519
<v Speaker 1>We're almost there.

676
00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:20.359
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

677
00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Once she was drained, they began to hack at her

678
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:28.319
<v Speaker 1>body with a saw and dismember her into pieces. Reportedly,

679
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:33.039
<v Speaker 1>the process took approximately ten hours to complete. Oh frank

680
00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:38.039
<v Speaker 1>as they cut away at fan with a saw. Ten hours.

681
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:40.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't feel like it should have taken ten hours.

682
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:42.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean it shouldn't have.

683
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:46.079
<v Speaker 2>Like either they don't know what they're doing, like even remotely,

684
00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:49.559
<v Speaker 2>or like they were just really really enjoying the process.

685
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:51.960
<v Speaker 1>I think they just did not know what they were doing.

686
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:55.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but still, like someone who's really stupid could probably

687
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:56.039
<v Speaker 2>do it quicker than.

688
00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:00.079
<v Speaker 1>That, probably because like this is a really morbid conversation.

689
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:03.039
<v Speaker 2>First, okay, but I'm just like it should dig that long.

690
00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:05.680
<v Speaker 1>The reason why I'm saying I'm talking in this context

691
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:08.800
<v Speaker 1>is again because I'm a hunter. I've butchered animals, right,

692
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:13.079
<v Speaker 1>My dad and I have butchered an entire moose in

693
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:17.760
<v Speaker 1>less time. And I'm talking like that's nice cuts, making.

694
00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:19.360
<v Speaker 2>Things like how much is a moose? Way?

695
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:21.039
<v Speaker 1>You know a moose is a thousand pounds?

696
00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I'm thinking, from someone who has absolutely zero

697
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:27.719
<v Speaker 2>experience with any of this kind of shit, that I

698
00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:30.280
<v Speaker 2>don't think it should take ten hours. Shouldn't, but I mean,

699
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:31.280
<v Speaker 2>do it quicker.

700
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:32.679
<v Speaker 1>They're probably high on meth.

701
00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:36.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and taking breaks having snacks or.

702
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Having snacks, I don't know. You gotta get those goldfish.

703
00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:48.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow. Okay. So they would remove her head and

704
00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:52.760
<v Speaker 1>her limbs, and for whatever reason they even began to

705
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:57.559
<v Speaker 1>disembowel her. They would cut open her stomach and remove

706
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:02.239
<v Speaker 1>many of her organs and they bag them. Now again,

707
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:04.000
<v Speaker 1>this is where it kind of goes to the theory

708
00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:07.239
<v Speaker 1>that a lot of meth was involved, because ere they're

709
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:10.159
<v Speaker 1>drug addicts to begin with and drug dealers, and they're

710
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:14.599
<v Speaker 1>probably high, not really thinking straight, and they're just doing

711
00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:16.159
<v Speaker 1>random shit, right.

712
00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Like bagging organs.

713
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:20.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like it had no real pattern to what they

714
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:23.280
<v Speaker 1>were doing in any of the disposal methods, because they

715
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:25.960
<v Speaker 1>did many methods. They were trying to hide the body,

716
00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:28.400
<v Speaker 1>they're trying to get rid of DNA whatever, but there

717
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:31.119
<v Speaker 1>was no consistency, which I might I just have.

718
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:33.119
<v Speaker 2>To say really quickly, it's kind of maybe it shows

719
00:35:33.159 --> 00:35:35.039
<v Speaker 2>that they haven't done this before, which I guess is

720
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:35.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of nice.

721
00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:39.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So most of her body was disposed of in

722
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:44.599
<v Speaker 1>trash bins and waste stations where unfortunately it would never

723
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:48.880
<v Speaker 1>be found again. Oh shocks, where some of her organs

724
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:51.599
<v Speaker 1>that had been bagged were simply thrown out the window

725
00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:55.840
<v Speaker 1>to land on an awning below. Some of her organs

726
00:35:55.880 --> 00:36:02.000
<v Speaker 1>were stored in the fridge, along with one of her teeth. Okay, now,

727
00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:06.280
<v Speaker 1>fans head is where it really gets weird. They of

728
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:10.239
<v Speaker 1>course decapitated her, we know that. But then they would

729
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:13.239
<v Speaker 1>then place her head inside a pot and boiled it

730
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:21.559
<v Speaker 1>and cooked it inside a gas stove. What yep? Okay,

731
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:26.239
<v Speaker 1>why I think they're trying to destroy any DNA?

732
00:36:26.440 --> 00:36:29.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, right, so you've already said this numerous times.

733
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:32.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, but still, that is.

734
00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:34.519
<v Speaker 2>That's a visual one I have.

735
00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

736
00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:37.079
<v Speaker 2>There, So then.

737
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:39.599
<v Speaker 1>After that was done, they took They took her cooked

738
00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:43.199
<v Speaker 1>skull coated in her boiled flesh, and stuffed it inside

739
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:47.920
<v Speaker 1>the head of a large Hello Kitty Mermaid plush doll

740
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:51.800
<v Speaker 1>and sewed it shut.

741
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Who yeah, my dinner, dinner.

742
00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:59.239
<v Speaker 1>Is coming up, and so we're gonna make sure we

743
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:02.519
<v Speaker 1>post a phot photo of that plush doll on Instagram.

744
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:05.000
<v Speaker 2>That's nasty. And is that like what was stinking?

745
00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:09.760
<v Speaker 1>Yes, oh, you called the head a little bit, but yes,

746
00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:10.480
<v Speaker 1>that's what's.

747
00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:12.559
<v Speaker 2>That's what's so they didn't even like boil it enough

748
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:16.159
<v Speaker 2>to like have it not stink. Well, I mean you

749
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:16.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe that could boil.

750
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:19.639
<v Speaker 1>You could boil a roast. Just think boil a roast

751
00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:23.000
<v Speaker 1>till it's like thoroughly cooked, well cooked, and then you

752
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:24.920
<v Speaker 1>leave it on the counter, it's going to start stinking.

753
00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:26.559
<v Speaker 1>Cooked meat will start stinking too.

754
00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:28.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I was almost thinking that they'd boil it

755
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:31.559
<v Speaker 2>so much that there was like it was just skull, no,

756
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:34.079
<v Speaker 2>because like obviously it's gonna stink then.

757
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So there in this Hello Kitty Mermaid plush doll.

758
00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:45.920
<v Speaker 1>She sat for the next month until the fourteen year

759
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:48.880
<v Speaker 1>old girlfriend of Chen led the police to the apartment

760
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:53.840
<v Speaker 1>at the door of number thirty one. The smell of

761
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:57.480
<v Speaker 1>rot was extremely present and obvious, just kind of like

762
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.559
<v Speaker 1>we were talking about. In fact, the other tenants of

763
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:03.760
<v Speaker 1>the building had reported the smell coming from the apartment

764
00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:07.760
<v Speaker 1>over the past month since Fan's death, but officials just

765
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:09.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of brushed it off as garbage that had been

766
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:13.599
<v Speaker 1>piling up in or around the apartment building. It wasn't

767
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:15.079
<v Speaker 1>a very nice part of town. It was kind of

768
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:18.239
<v Speaker 1>like a lower lower class sort of thing, and not

769
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:22.920
<v Speaker 1>so good cleanliness in the area, right, Okay, so it

770
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:25.800
<v Speaker 1>was kind of brushed off at the time, But when

771
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:28.519
<v Speaker 1>police had followed the girls to the apartment, they had

772
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:30.639
<v Speaker 1>opened the door and the stench hit them like a

773
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:33.559
<v Speaker 1>ton of bricks. But inside there wasn't a whole lot

774
00:38:33.559 --> 00:38:37.519
<v Speaker 1>to find. The Hello Kitty furniture, posters and other belongings

775
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:39.800
<v Speaker 1>had mostly been moved out, and there was no one

776
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:44.440
<v Speaker 1>in sight. The tenants had left one thing they did

777
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:47.239
<v Speaker 1>leave behind, though there was a few scattered possessions and

778
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:49.639
<v Speaker 1>things that they left behind, But the one thing they

779
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:53.639
<v Speaker 1>did leave behind was a large Hello Kitty mermaid plush toy.

780
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:57.159
<v Speaker 2>Okay, sorry, just to clarify, was most the Hello Kitty

781
00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:00.840
<v Speaker 2>stuff out of the house that Yes, okay. I was

782
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:05.519
<v Speaker 2>envisioning them, the police, being like, whoa, Hello Kitty World. Okay, No,

783
00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:08.599
<v Speaker 2>it was all it was all gone, okay. I see.

784
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Just you sounded really excited, like as if it was

785
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:17.360
<v Speaker 1>your first first person perspective of being a police officer,

786
00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:19.320
<v Speaker 1>like walking in be like, oh my god, so much

787
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:23.800
<v Speaker 1>Hello Kitty, woa, Hello Kitty world. Like you sounded excited.

788
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:26.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, being like a police officer, and like

789
00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:29.039
<v Speaker 2>some of the shit you see is probably intense, and

790
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:31.159
<v Speaker 2>that would just be intense, like going into this Hello

791
00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Kitty World and this foul smell and.

792
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:38.360
<v Speaker 1>It's definitely expect I mean, imagine going to this really

793
00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:41.920
<v Speaker 1>run down apartment building and you are told by this

794
00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:44.440
<v Speaker 1>girl someone was just murdered in here, and you're just

795
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:47.519
<v Speaker 1>present at this door with just rot smell, and you

796
00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:51.039
<v Speaker 1>open the door and it's just brightly colored Hello Kitty everywhere,

797
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:51.719
<v Speaker 1>like what the fuck?

798
00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:53.679
<v Speaker 2>Like it would be a visual Like I just feel

799
00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:55.239
<v Speaker 2>like it just wouldn't be like a normal day in

800
00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:55.719
<v Speaker 2>the office.

801
00:39:55.760 --> 00:40:01.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't think my response would be nope, and I'm going, oh, I.

802
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:03.519
<v Speaker 2>Actually don't feel good. I have to go home.

803
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:06.760
<v Speaker 1>Fuck this shiitamn mount.

804
00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:10.960
<v Speaker 2>This mount. Actually, that would be one that I think

805
00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:13.079
<v Speaker 2>would be fascinating. You just like plug your nose and

806
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:14.840
<v Speaker 2>put a mask on and dive in. Man.

807
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:23.039
<v Speaker 1>No thanks, Okay, nope, I'm good. I can't stand the

808
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:27.280
<v Speaker 1>smell of rotten meat because that, like butchering animals for

809
00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:30.360
<v Speaker 1>as a hunter before, like some cuts go bad sometimes

810
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:33.239
<v Speaker 1>if you leave the meat out too long, okay, and

811
00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:36.400
<v Speaker 1>like that rank smell. Like I that's one like one

812
00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:38.320
<v Speaker 1>of the only things in this world that has only

813
00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:40.880
<v Speaker 1>ever made me throw up, well close to throwing.

814
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:42.639
<v Speaker 2>Up, I should say, I don't even know if I've

815
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:43.480
<v Speaker 2>ever really.

816
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:52.039
<v Speaker 1>Smelt that rancid meat is It's disgusting. Mm hmm. Okay,

817
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:55.400
<v Speaker 1>where am I now? Right? The Hello Kitty doll that

818
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:58.239
<v Speaker 1>was left behind, right, so, the toy that was of

819
00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:02.199
<v Speaker 1>course once nice white off fabric and nice little plush

820
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:06.079
<v Speaker 1>toy was now blotched with some sort of thick, reddish,

821
00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:10.840
<v Speaker 1>gross mucus. Oh gosh, the doll looked like death, smelt

822
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:14.480
<v Speaker 1>like it nice. So police of course opened it up,

823
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:18.199
<v Speaker 1>and inside they found fans head covered in a swarm

824
00:41:18.199 --> 00:41:23.400
<v Speaker 1>of maggots. Ohly frig so among the head they found

825
00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:26.079
<v Speaker 1>what was left behind in the fridge, which was a

826
00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:31.800
<v Speaker 1>few organs and a tooth, and the bloodied, soaked bathtub.

827
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:35.159
<v Speaker 2>Wow, so they really didn't clean up at all, Like

828
00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:36.760
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of what did they think?

829
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Like, I just they just abandoned the crime scene. Yeah,

830
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:43.400
<v Speaker 1>so pretty So to sum that up, all that they

831
00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:48.400
<v Speaker 1>found a fan was her boiled head, a few organs,

832
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:52.000
<v Speaker 1>and a tooth. Okay, everything else was disposed of.

833
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:54.880
<v Speaker 2>I just feel like it's so random that you dispose

834
00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:57.440
<v Speaker 2>of some things but not all But okay.

835
00:41:57.159 --> 00:42:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Right, especially considering like they boiled the head to try

836
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:02.360
<v Speaker 1>and get rid of DNA, like why bother? But then

837
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:03.920
<v Speaker 1>the bathtub is coated in blood.

838
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:06.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like it just doesn't make any sense. It doesn't

839
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:08.320
<v Speaker 2>like obviously they're not very.

840
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Smart or like the theory goes, they're just high on

841
00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:14.679
<v Speaker 1>whatever meth. Most likely they're drug addicts. We know that,

842
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:18.199
<v Speaker 1>we know they're using. Most likely they're using while doing this,

843
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:18.920
<v Speaker 1>I guess.

844
00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:20.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

845
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:24.119
<v Speaker 1>So in exchange for protection, the fourteen year old girl

846
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:28.280
<v Speaker 1>who led the police there testified in court against Chan.

847
00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:33.480
<v Speaker 1>She stated that she witnessed him and one of the

848
00:42:33.559 --> 00:42:36.840
<v Speaker 1>other friends, but I didn't have his first name. I

849
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:39.599
<v Speaker 1>need to get consistent with first names. And last names.

850
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:44.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm bad with that. The last name was man Yee.

851
00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:49.760
<v Speaker 1>She witnessed them kick Fan in the head at least

852
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:54.719
<v Speaker 1>fifty times at one point, and she in fact even

853
00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:55.320
<v Speaker 1>joined in.

854
00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Herself, Oh gosh, okay, because I was going to be like,

855
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:00.360
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of a badass of the day. But no,

856
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:02.159
<v Speaker 2>not at all, No, not at all.

857
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:03.920
<v Speaker 1>No, No, we haven't done a bad ass of the

858
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:05.440
<v Speaker 1>day for a while. I was thinking about that the

859
00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:08.679
<v Speaker 1>other day, have we not. No, it's been like probably

860
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:09.920
<v Speaker 1>a good like eight episodes.

861
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:11.719
<v Speaker 2>I would say, the next case, we got to make

862
00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:12.719
<v Speaker 2>sure it's a badass.

863
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe.

864
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:17.199
<v Speaker 2>So.

865
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:20.159
<v Speaker 1>She was actually asked in court why she thought the

866
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:24.000
<v Speaker 1>torture continued for so long, and she stated, and I quote,

867
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:30.480
<v Speaker 1>I had a feeling it was for fun. Oh nice, Yeah,

868
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:31.719
<v Speaker 1>these guys are fucking That.

869
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:34.280
<v Speaker 2>Is like the weirdest fucked up fun ever.

870
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:36.280
<v Speaker 1>That's not even fun.

871
00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:40.719
<v Speaker 2>No, that's like fun. It's like going bowling or something,

872
00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:42.719
<v Speaker 2>or like getting an ice cream can.

873
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:44.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh that does sound fun.

874
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Bowling and ice cream cone? Oh nice?

875
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:49.119
<v Speaker 1>Can we go bowling and get ice cream? Yeah?

876
00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:50.880
<v Speaker 2>Actually, we haven't had fun for a while.

877
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:54.679
<v Speaker 1>Well, this is fun, Yeah, this is fun. Getting to

878
00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:56.199
<v Speaker 1>look forward to this every week. This is this is.

879
00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:58.079
<v Speaker 2>This is fun, but I mean like gone on like

880
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:00.000
<v Speaker 2>a fun, like the fair was just here for two

881
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:01.039
<v Speaker 2>weeks and way anyone go?

882
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:07.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah too busy? Okay. So without the young girl whose

883
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:10.159
<v Speaker 1>name has been protected by court due to her age,

884
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:13.159
<v Speaker 1>these three men would have most likely gotten away with

885
00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:16.920
<v Speaker 1>this entire situation. It would have been left to rot.

886
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:19.280
<v Speaker 1>They wouldn't have known whose apartment or who was recently

887
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:23.800
<v Speaker 1>there whatever. Right, So, even though they were caught, there

888
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:27.639
<v Speaker 1>was still the issue of proving how Fan died, and

889
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:32.599
<v Speaker 1>without a body, they couldn't say exactly how it happened. Okay,

890
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:38.039
<v Speaker 1>So of course all three men in court denied killing Fan.

891
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:42.599
<v Speaker 1>Of course, of course they were I quickly skipped ahead

892
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:46.199
<v Speaker 1>with this. They were caught relatively fast. It's kind of

893
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:50.440
<v Speaker 1>not important. Police are, like, we're looking for these guys.

894
00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:51.360
<v Speaker 1>They found them really quick.

895
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:55.239
<v Speaker 2>I do appreciate the fourteen year old at least coming forward.

896
00:44:55.159 --> 00:44:58.199
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I do so, so good for her on that

897
00:44:58.320 --> 00:44:59.119
<v Speaker 1>doing the right thing.

898
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:02.039
<v Speaker 2>Little late, but yeah, yeah, little late.

899
00:45:03.719 --> 00:45:05.760
<v Speaker 1>So during the six week trial of these three men,

900
00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:11.599
<v Speaker 1>they did admit to preventing Fan from receiving a lawful burial,

901
00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:14.360
<v Speaker 1>which is a criminal charge in Hong Kong.

902
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay.

903
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:19.280
<v Speaker 1>They told the court that they had simply they were

904
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:24.800
<v Speaker 1>simply running a brothel with Fan as a mutual agreement, okay.

905
00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:27.280
<v Speaker 1>And they said that she was a drug addict and

906
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:31.280
<v Speaker 1>that she died because of a drug overdose. They also

907
00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:33.280
<v Speaker 1>said that they disposed of her body the way that

908
00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:35.760
<v Speaker 1>they did in fear of what would happen if police

909
00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:42.079
<v Speaker 1>found out. Now Chan and why Lung both pled guilty

910
00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:48.360
<v Speaker 1>to false imprisonment, while shin Cho denied, and throughout their trial,

911
00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:52.119
<v Speaker 1>the three men began to turn on each other and

912
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:54.760
<v Speaker 1>pointing with finger at one another on the torture of

913
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:57.519
<v Speaker 1>Fan while minimizing their own role in that.

914
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:01.599
<v Speaker 2>Very interesting. That's kind of like the psychology of that

915
00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:03.360
<v Speaker 2>is just so interesting to me.

916
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:06.039
<v Speaker 1>They just read it like I didn't really do anything.

917
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:08.039
<v Speaker 1>It was them, And then they said the exact same

918
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:10.239
<v Speaker 1>thing about the other two like it's ridiculous.

919
00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:12.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's so interesting.

920
00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:18.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So without a definitive cause of death, the jury

921
00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:20.760
<v Speaker 1>refused to find them guilty of murder.

922
00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:26.199
<v Speaker 2>What you're kidding? Nope, is this going to make me angry?

923
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Am I going to be angry? Because I finished my boos?

924
00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:35.679
<v Speaker 1>You finished your booze. There's there's justice, but there's a

925
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:38.639
<v Speaker 1>potential for them to be able little early.

926
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:39.559
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

927
00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Instead, the trio was convicted of manslaughter in December of

928
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:49.440
<v Speaker 1>two thousand, and they were sentenced to the maximum. The

929
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:52.159
<v Speaker 1>judge gave them maximum sentence because they were showing no

930
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:55.360
<v Speaker 1>remorse in in prison the way they handled her body

931
00:46:55.400 --> 00:47:00.679
<v Speaker 1>after her death. So they were sentenced to the maximum

932
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:04.840
<v Speaker 1>of life in prison, life in prison with the possibility

933
00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:06.639
<v Speaker 1>of parole after just twenty years.

934
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:11.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's actually pretty high sentence for manslaughter.

935
00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:14.960
<v Speaker 1>I thought it is. But also remember it's a criminal

936
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:21.320
<v Speaker 1>offense to not bury the body prevent that burial, right right, So,

937
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:24.320
<v Speaker 1>as of recording this episode, all three men who are

938
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:26.920
<v Speaker 1>responsible for the torture and murder of twenty three year

939
00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:31.079
<v Speaker 1>old Fan Man Yee are still behind bars.

940
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay. I literally was like glaring at you. Do

941
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:36.599
<v Speaker 2>not say that they're out. Do not say that they're out.

942
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:41.639
<v Speaker 1>However, just keep in mind they were sentenced in two

943
00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:48.159
<v Speaker 1>thousand with the possibility of parole after twenty years, so

944
00:47:48.199 --> 00:47:51.079
<v Speaker 1>they could be applying for their parole right now.

945
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

946
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:55.760
<v Speaker 1>They most likely are.

947
00:47:55.719 --> 00:47:58.519
<v Speaker 2>Probably Yeah, it's actually like I mean it's twenty twenty one,

948
00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:02.079
<v Speaker 2>where an't they out? Then hopefully there are little assholes

949
00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:07.000
<v Speaker 2>and in jail, yeah, and don't get to like get

950
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:09.719
<v Speaker 2>out earlier, getler, have to stay like a full set.

951
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:12.800
<v Speaker 1>I really hope all three of them get life in prison,

952
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:13.920
<v Speaker 1>they don't make parole.

953
00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:15.599
<v Speaker 2>Legitimately get life.

954
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:17.199
<v Speaker 1>Legitimately get life.

955
00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, because it's absolutely disgusting. But then the fact

956
00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:25.880
<v Speaker 2>like that I find even more disgusting is just like

957
00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:29.880
<v Speaker 2>a that it was like for fun and having no remorse.

958
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:31.639
<v Speaker 1>No remorse at all.

959
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:34.800
<v Speaker 2>They didn't care, Like how can you do that to

960
00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:36.320
<v Speaker 2>someone and not feel bad? Like if I did that

961
00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:38.079
<v Speaker 2>to an aunt, I would feel bad.

962
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:42.360
<v Speaker 1>Not okay, not even someone do that and not even care.

963
00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:46.440
<v Speaker 1>Three individuals do that and not even care. Yeah, but

964
00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:49.079
<v Speaker 1>then I mean you look at Junco where she had

965
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:51.239
<v Speaker 1>how many peoples?

966
00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:56.039
<v Speaker 2>So well? Yeah, and there would have been if if

967
00:48:56.199 --> 00:48:58.039
<v Speaker 2>at the beginning, if they did kind of treat her

968
00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:00.400
<v Speaker 2>like it was like a brothel or whatever, there could

969
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:02.679
<v Speaker 2>have been men, but then a lot more men. But

970
00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:05.119
<v Speaker 2>then maybe they wouldn't have thought it was anything bad either,

971
00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:07.000
<v Speaker 2>because she wasn't beaten and stuff.

972
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:09.800
<v Speaker 1>See, now I do want to point out that most

973
00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:13.800
<v Speaker 1>coverage of this story that I found, most people don't

974
00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:18.320
<v Speaker 1>talk about her going into being pimped out at the

975
00:49:18.320 --> 00:49:21.559
<v Speaker 1>beginning of her imprisonment. They just go straight into the torture.

976
00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Any articles I've read, documentaries, they don't really talk about

977
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:26.880
<v Speaker 1>the potential of her being pimped out at the time,

978
00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:30.199
<v Speaker 1>though that was the plan. They always talk about that.

979
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:35.320
<v Speaker 1>But in the court case, Chan does say that they

980
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:38.400
<v Speaker 1>were running a brothel. He had intentions of doing that

981
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:42.519
<v Speaker 1>to her. So for all we know, they could have

982
00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:46.119
<v Speaker 1>either A started pimping her out and then began beating

983
00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:50.559
<v Speaker 1>her after however long, or B just started beating her

984
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:53.440
<v Speaker 1>right off the bat. Everyone always jumps to they just

985
00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:54.719
<v Speaker 1>started beating her right off the bat.

986
00:49:54.920 --> 00:49:55.800
<v Speaker 2>They don't know for sure.

987
00:49:55.840 --> 00:49:57.639
<v Speaker 1>We don't know for sure. You got to consider that

988
00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:02.440
<v Speaker 1>she could have been raped several times before the beatings.

989
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:05.480
<v Speaker 2>And I wonder what's what clicked If it was just

990
00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:09.679
<v Speaker 2>like he was just going to pimp her out or whatever,

991
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:12.880
<v Speaker 2>what click to make it like them start beating.

992
00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:16.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it was. It was well, either one or

993
00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:19.239
<v Speaker 1>the other, or a combination of just pure rage and

994
00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:22.239
<v Speaker 1>anger at her or drugs.

995
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:25.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, gross, so gross.

996
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:28.199
<v Speaker 1>That's a story of fan Manye, she went through a

997
00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:32.599
<v Speaker 1>lot and I hope these guys stay in prison for life.

998
00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:35.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well well done. It was definitely entertaining, I'll give

999
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:35.960
<v Speaker 2>it that.

1000
00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:37.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but brutal.

1001
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:41.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Poor fan and thank you all for listening.

1002
00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Make sure you guys stay wicked.