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Speaker 1: All right. Off of a very busy weekend that has

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seen Katie Taylor win the Trilogy three for three against

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Amanda Serrano, We're ready to talk about that and the

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most valuable promotions card at Madison Square Garden, the All

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Ladies Championship card that was capped by Taylor's win. We

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are also ready to talk about Hamza Boom Goes the

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Dynamite shiraz Ko of Edgar Berlanga that headline on Saturday

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Night The Ring Magazine to his own pay per view.

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Also Shakur Stevenson in the co main event the Cooe Feature,

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gets a unanimous decision win over Williams ofpaida very impressive

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We're ready to recap that entire card. It is the

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Fight Freak to Night Recap pod. I am merely the

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somewhat capable host TJ. Reeves. Hello, Dan Rayfield. Have we

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talked any in the last five days? My god? But

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I'm back with you again, and listen, it's not there's

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no shortage. There's a ton to talk about as always.

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How you feeling as we wrap up the weekend.

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Speaker 2: I'm good.

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Speaker 3: We also got to tell our peeps we got some

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outstanding interviews on the show we do.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get to that in a couple of moments,

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be hearing coming up of the again, the MVP card

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won by the main event by Katie Taylor, and then

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the ring card Sharaz and Shakur Stevenson, the big winners.

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all of that. We've done the recaps, as you mentioned too,

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Dan Rayfield, the only place so far that you're gonna

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hear it is the pod. Upcoming is Daniel Dubois, the

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IBF heavyweight champion. You talked with him one on one

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as he fights Alexander Usik this coming weekend, Saturday, July nineteenth.

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Stand by for that conversation. But wait, there's more. You've

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also interviewed Mario Barrios, the WBC's welterweight champion, fighting Manny Pacquiao.

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Speaker 2: Get all of that?

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Speaker 1: Did I get all of that straight? I think I

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think we got all of that straight? Boss, No, we

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have we have both, all right, So let's do this.

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I'm gonna set it up this way. You and I

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again went over things on Friday night, as Katie Taylor

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was very impressive once again winning the key final couple

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of rounds, especially with Amanda Sarah know you and I

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recapped that on the YouTube page. The Fight Freak two

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Night Recap, Part one live was Friday night. Let's go

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back and relive you and I talking about that fight.

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Alicia Baumgardner's winning the undercard all the undercard fights. You're

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gonna hear that right now here on the pod. What

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are your thoughts? Close decision? Did you agree with Katie

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Taylor victorious for a third time, retaining this time the

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undisputed women's junior welterweight titles as she did at Madison

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 3: I thought that it was a very very close fight.

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If you followed along with my round by round tweeting

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about each round, I thought literally all ten rounds were close.

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There was only maybe a couple of rounds where I

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thought were like clear, but even though they were clear,

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they weren't dominant. It was just that was very obvious

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the women won and the other one didn't. But that

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was only maybe I don't know TJ two or three

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rounds in the whole fight. Yes, But in the end

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favor of Katie Taylor. And the reason why I had

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it ninety six to ninety five instead of ninety six

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because round one and I scored like two even rounds

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make a decision. You can make a decision when nothing

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happened at the standpoint of landed punches.

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Speaker 2: I didn't. I don't know who had the edge.

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total of three punches landed. I didn't see them. I

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Speaker 3: I don't know how that was. Was three to nothing

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or two to one or whatever whoever was more than

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score one oh one of a ten to ten round.

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that's why I had it like I did. And then

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wounds that were to me anyway, where I thought she

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won I won't say decisively, but where I didn't have

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ninth and the tenth rounds. And so she closed it

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out a little bit better. You know, copybox we talked

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about they landed apparently the exact same number of punches,

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although Katie threw fewer punches. But the point is super

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close fight and not to bury the lead and not

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in any way disrespectful to either of these great championship

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level fighters. That was not a great fight at all.

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I mean, correct the broadcasters and I get it's their product.

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sound like it was like an all time class Again, frankly,

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that was not. That was a paltry imitation of the

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first two fights. It wasn't even in imitation of the

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first two fights. And don't get me wrong, I don't

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expect them to go in there well absolutely destroy each

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Speaker 2: But that was not a good fight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was not nearly as entertaining, not nearly as

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much volume of punches. Did I jinx it again? Because

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on Friday, that we're expecting another barn Burner. We would

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be shocked if it's not a barn Burner. So that

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leads me to my next question here. Clearly there was

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a tactical change by Amanda Serrano. She fought differently, she

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she was not fighting as recklessly kind of rock'm sock

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them robots. Did that tactical change backfire? Since she did

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the tactical change and how much did it cost her?

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Speaker 3: Well, she said exactly the point. She says, I tried

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to fight it out the first two fights. It didn't work.

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more intelligent and more tactical fight from a distance, and

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close fight. You know, the ninety seven to ninety three

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makes it look like it wasn't all that close, but

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slug it out in the first two fights, and it

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didn't work for a box at a distance, you know,

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it just means that Katie, when you match them up

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style for style, that she's the better fighter. Even though

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one of the fights, maybe two of the fights, and

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you could argue maybe she won all three fights, but

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you know, Katie Taylor. She also made the point that

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she she wanted to box more intelligently in this fight also,

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and I also have to believe maybe they won't say it,

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but in the back of their mind, they know that

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they put through each other through absolute fucking hell. Yes,

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for twenty previous rounds, and at this stage of their careers.

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just think subconstantly like they must think themselves. Do I

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want to put myself through that again? They've already done

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it twice, and by the way, twice against each other.

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Speaker 2: That's not even. And whether and hold on, hold on.

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Speaker 3: That's not even to mention all the other brutal fights

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they put each other.

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Speaker 1: Right, No, I get your opponents, I get you, But

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how much At the other point is whether you wanted

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to or not? How much did the November fight again

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take out of both of them? When Taylor is thirty nine,

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Serrano is thirty six, they're not in their early twenties

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their mid twenties. I don't know if if either of

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them is capable of fighting at the level and at

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the high volume and the brutality that we saw in

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their first two fights. Maybe it just took it out

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of them. Whether they wanted it to be that way

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Speaker 3: I don't know about that. I think they could if

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they had to, if they wanted to.

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Speaker 4: Don't know.

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Speaker 1: Neither one of them looked particularly quick or sharp throughout

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the night. Clearly Serrano fought more cautiously. There was not

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near the volume of punches in any round like the

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other rounds. I just wonder if we're nearing the end

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for both of them, and it took two out of

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them last November.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, two things can be true at the same time.

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They are nearing the end, that's obvious. They'll admit that,

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but that doesn't mean they are not still capable of

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doing that. I think they fought purposely at a measured pace,

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not because they were unable to pull the trigger, because

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certainly on the few occasions where they did get into

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an exchange, they were both fire and shots that just

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the exchanges were very few and far between, And I

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thought actually that Serrano she had much quicker hands in

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my mind than Katie. But the thing is it was

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very similar to the other fights with less contact. Is

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that Seranto when she did come forward, Katie is so

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brilliant when she comes off the ropes and throws a

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countershot that dad is gonna gonna catch the judge's eyes

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because they're easy to see those kind of punches. I

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you know, a lot more and as a turnout, according

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to the stats anyway, they were even Typically, if all

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things are equal, you know, the person that's the heavier

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volume puncher is usually going to get the edge in

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the rounds. But in this particular case, she didn't. But

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you know, she's got nothing to be ashamed of Serrano.

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I mean, she's on a first ballot Hall of Famer.

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She's still got all the accolades and things she's accomplishing.

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Still the only female boxer to win world championships and

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seven weight classes, and she's still the featherweight world champion.

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Just that sometimes you know somebody has your number, and

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that's apparently that's the case at Katie Taylor, and I

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thought it was brilliant when you know, I think Ariel Hawani,

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who was doing the post fight interviews, sort of Joe

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kingly asked about a fourth fight, because they had been

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saying all along they didn't want to have a fourth fight,

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and she's like, no, forget it, We're done.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Well, if you're Katie Taylor, what more do you have

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to do? You've got your hand raised all three times,

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You've gotten paid humongously. So there you go on that again.

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We're live here on YouTube tonight in the Friday night

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aftermath of Katie Taylor once again winning by decision and

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give her credit coming all the way to the United

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States three times as an Irish fighter and gets the

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decision in New York the first time, in Texas, the

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second time, in New York again the third time, and

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the two judges that scored it for her essentially scored

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at seven to three. Tonight, I thought she won the

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tenth and final round that either fight er had to win,

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the tenth round because she was up comfortably on two

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of the cards by at least a couple of points,

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and so she put things away. Now, why don't we

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Speaker 4: Quick?

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community and the perto Rican community, both had a massive support.

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And Katie also has fought in the United States several

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times in her career. She's fought in New York moment,

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you know, the lasta you know, several times. And on

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top of that, she spends the bulk of her time

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now and hear you.

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Speaker 2: On all of that.

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Speaker 1: Did Amanda Serrano fight Katie Taylor in the UK or

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Ireland any of the three fights? No, she did not.

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Speaker 2: Katie, if the money was there, she probably would.

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Speaker 1: We were not talking about what ifs. We're talking about

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what happened. Katie Taylor came to the United States and

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won three decisions, and I didn't agree with the second decision,

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but I give her credit for that, especially tonight when

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everything was set into motion back at the Garden Home

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away from Home for Serrano and Tyler.

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Speaker 3: I still boggles my mind that and I go back

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to our Friday debt us show earlier in the day,

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blew my mind that Katie Taylor was plus money on

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the fight I took that.

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Speaker 2: I cashed that all day long.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you did. Let's get back to it. Alicia Baumgardner

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did win in the cove feet Sure, she was impressive

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in her undisputed title win. That headline the undercard. Your

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thoughts on her win and the rest of the undercard

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Speaker 3: Well, my first thought was that I would not use

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the word impressive as you did in that victory because Miranda,

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Jennifer Miranda who she fought, came in with no credentials

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and a nice record. But bomb Gardner was a tremendous

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favorite in that fight. And even though the scores were

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ninety eight to ninety two twice in ninety seven to

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ninety three, if you watch the fight, Miranda pushed her

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hard in that fight. That was I thought a much

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closer fight. That's just me, and it was a pretty

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good fight. But bomb Gardner in my mind was like

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and she even said in her post for interview, she

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didn't give herself a top grade.

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Speaker 2: She's like, I forget, she said, I gave my SI

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she said B plus, So she was.

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Speaker 3: She was not at her best that night. She won,

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that's not the issue, but it was not overly impressive.

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I agree with what she said about herself. She can

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be better than that. I've seen her better than that.

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Speaker 1: The chantel Cameron won on the undercard Shadisia Green also

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the win over Savannah Marshall.

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Speaker 3: Ahead, well let's talk about that for just a minute.

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So Green and Marshall, that to me was probably the

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best fight of the undercard fights in terms of the

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action and how close it was. They were back and forth. Again,

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that was another close That was, you know, another close fight.

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They scored a split decision. I'm looking at the scores here.

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Green got it ninety six ninety three, ninety five ninety four,

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including having been docked one point for holding, and then

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one judge had at ninety six to ninety three for

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Savannah Marshall. I saw some bitterness and complaining as usual

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online when those scores were announced. But that was another

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fight where there was a lot of close rounds. And

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here's the thing. I think maybe one of the reasons

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we see some of these closer rounds and female boxing

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is because the rounds are two minutes, you have less

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of a body of work to judge the fight on

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once you get to that third minute. In men's boxing,

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that can obviously separate, you know, there's a lot more

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that it can go on. So when you only have

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the two minutes to work with, you know, it stands

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to reason they're going to be fresher, that's going to

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be maybe more competitive. It's when you get tired at

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the end of a round, who's got a bit more

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in the gas tank in that round? And so they

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produced close fights oftentimes if the talent level is somewhat equal.

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But Green was very emotional after the fight. She's been

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at this a long time. This was her crowning moment

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and you know, it was a good fight and in

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a marshall very disappointed. Now she just got the two losses,

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one to Green and one to in the pro rematch

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against Claressa. She is Savannah the only woman to ever

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defeat Claressa Shields, either as a professional ori as an amateur.

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But for Green it's a huge win. She's now the

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unified champion at super middleweight. Got two with the titles,

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and in terms of the other bouts, you got Ellie Scotty,

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who Ricky mentioned she defeated by unanimus decision, yemelya Mercado

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that was a totally one sided fight. She wanted to

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shout out on one score card. It was like eight

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to two in the other score cards, and she was

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able to retain her two titles and unify a third title,

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so puts her sort of at the top of the

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of the sport in terms of one hundred and twenty

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two pound way class. And the other title fight on

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the card, this was an absolute beatdown. Tchernika Johnson, who's

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from Australia fought Sharretta Metcalf stopped her there.

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Speaker 2: She was just laying a beating on her.

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Speaker 3: There was a conversation in the corner after round number

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seven and d referee you know, the bell rang for

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the beginning of the eighth round, but he didn't let

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her come out for the ray throughout He's wing the UK.

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Speaker 2: She just took a wake and beat down in that fight.

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Speaker 1: All good stuff. Again, the night belongs ultimately to Katie Taylor.

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As somebody just pointed out in the comments that Serrano

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landed close to four hundred punches, close to four hundred

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of them in the second fight tonight. The two fighters

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combined and I know you got the copy box in

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front of you for I think one hundred and forty

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total land punches between both of them in the fight,

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so it was not the same fight, not near the

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same fight.

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Speaker 3: So just to give you the stats here, it was

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Taylor landing seventy of two hundred and thirty one and

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Serrano landing seventy of three hundred and eighty two. So

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she threw many more punches than Katie. But if you

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go back and watch some of those rounds, there are

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literally times where she throws a big punch and it's

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not even close, like it's a wide and they're very

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clear to see center of the ring. She launches the

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shot and she doesn't come within six inches of hitting

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Katie Taylor. So yes, she was throwing far more punches

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but with very little effect.

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Speaker 1: So again that was from our recap on Friday Night Live.

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Any other final thought now that we've had a couple

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of days and they're kicking around what might be next

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for Taylor some more there they're kicking around what might

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be next for Serrano? Would she fight Bomb Gardner, et cetera,

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anything else? As we put to bed, what was a

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sold out Madison Square Garden on Friday Night for that

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entire show and Taylor's latest win over Serrano.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was a huge event for women's boxing obviously,

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and even though the fight in the main event was

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not at the same level as the first two fights,

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they still got back in there and did it once again.

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It was a lot of tension, but not a lot

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of great action. It will be the least memorable of

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the three in terms of the combat. But I thought

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it was very funny because Katie Taylor is such a

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nice woman and she's so humble and so cool about everything.

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But when she was asked about Chantal Cameron, who was

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on the undercard as we discussed and won her fight

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and she is the interim title holder whereas Katie is

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the young disputed champion, about them having potentially a rubber

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match a third fight because they're one and one. She

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gave Katie her only defeat in an incredible action packed

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fight of the air fight, and then Katie got it

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back in the rematch that was also the same kind

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of fight and very close, but just she got the edge.

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So when she asked when she was asked about doing

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a third fight with Chantell Camrat, Katie basically you know, said,

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let's see if she can even sell out a thousand

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seat theater. Before I give her another shot or something

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effect like she was mocking her because she is not

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a draw the way that Katie is. And she was on,

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you know, buried on Katie's undercard. She she was a

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fight that was not even on the main card. She

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was one of the Netflix or YouTube whatever preliminary fights,

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and Katie heres making millions of dollars in mega fights

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in the main event. So if Katie's gonna fight again,

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I think, you know, whatever she said about her drawing power,

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that seems to be the big fight, unless, as I

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pointed out, unless she decided she wanted to perhaps give

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her give a try to fight as a welterweight.

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Speaker 1: Maybe, And again, I suspect we'll see Serrano again. It's

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tough for her. She's lost these three fights. Yeah, you know, we'll.

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Speaker 3: Say the things about the thing about Serrano is like,

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I don't I mean, she's the featherweight world champion, She's

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still a unified champion. She had given up her a

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WBC belt because they would not go along with her

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her desires to do longer rounds and three minutes intead

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of two minutes. But I don't see what's there for

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her at one twenty six, the fight that maybe she

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would be interested to do or could be made because

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MVP's in Bob this she's twenty six pounds champion, She's

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fought very well at one forty. She's been a champion

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previously at one forty one, twenty six, and one thirty

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and with thirty five, you know her and Bomb Gardner.

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Maybe as you know, she challenges Bomb Garner for the

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undisputed title at one hundred and thirty. That's a makeable,

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interesting fight, So she'll have options when she decides, you know,

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after she uh you know, gets over the loss to

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Katie or you know, gives a little, gives a little

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the rest maybe the rest of the summer before she

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goes back to figure out what she wants to do.

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But by the way, I look forward to seeing them

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both back, and they're against different opponents.

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Speaker 1: Because you are such a historian. I'm not being sarcastic.

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You are and you do this so well off the cuff.

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I did not ask you this on Friday night. We

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did not rehearse this. But in any of these trilogies,

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what is one where one fighter obviously it's going to

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be the male trilogies most noteworthy where one fighter won

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the first three. Is there one that comes to your

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mind immediately of any of the trilogies because we went

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over you know, Ali Fraser. Fraser won the first one,

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Ali the next two, Gotti Ward Nicky Ward won the

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first one, Gotti the next two. Britick Bow beat Evander Holyfield.

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Holy Field beat him in the fan Man rematch. What

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was it? Morales won the first fight with Barrera and

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then Barrera the next two. Do I have that correct?

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I think I have that correct. I can't think of

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one where a fighter in the trilogies in the mind,

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or maybe in the last forty or fifty years won

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the first three. And I see the look on your face.

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You gotta you gotta think about this. I have one,

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you have one that I do right off because this

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is you go.

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Speaker 3: It's actually sick, and it's it's because I joked around

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about this trilogy numerous times where it was just the

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stupidest trilogy that ever happened. There was literally no reason

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for it. Nobody wanted it. They didn't do big numbers,

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but they were of notable fights because there were world

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title fights involved. That that's some not not for all

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of the bouts, but for some of them, and uh,

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you'll love this because it's your guy, Winky Wright and

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broncol McCarty. Oh yeah, three times. This is in like

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the late nineties, early too. And the third fight I

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think was in two thousand, mid nineties, right, uh, ninety

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six nine one.

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Speaker 1: I've joked with you.

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Speaker 3: It was between It was between ninety six and o two.

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They fought three.

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Speaker 2: Times, Okay.

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Speaker 1: The first one in ninety six was my honeymoon in Hawaii,

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and I had I had interviewed Rink Winky a couple

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of different times in the studio. I interviewed him in

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the studio about two weeks before this fight, which I

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want to say was in Macart's hometown in Michigan, and

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I'm on my honeymoon in the middle of the afternoon

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because the time difference watching him win that first fight.

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So they fought three times and Winky won all three.

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Speaker 3: And two of them were world title fights and one

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of them was a title eliminated.

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Speaker 1: Cart get disqualified in the second or the third one,

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and one of them he got.

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Speaker 2: Dequed because in the third fight eighth.

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Speaker 1: And again I'm verifying for the pod audience We didn't

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rehearse that, and you just came up with that. Well,

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But I mean that's the one that I just listed

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in the prominent fights in the modern it is rare

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to have somebody win all three of the matchups.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you go back to the olden days,

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you know, when you've got oh sure, you know, uh,

477
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Ray Robinson and Carmen Basilio.

478
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Speaker 1: You know, then I'm not if I'm not mistaken, didn't

479
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and I'm just going run on a tangent, didn't Sugar

480
00:22:01,279 --> 00:22:04,039
Ray Robinson beat Jake Lamada like the first four times

481
00:22:04,039 --> 00:22:05,240
they fought that maybe.

482
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Speaker 2: Right, they fought six times.

483
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:08,759
Speaker 1: I think he beat him the first four times.

484
00:22:09,079 --> 00:22:12,039
Speaker 3: Jake only only got the one win, right, And uh,

485
00:22:12,519 --> 00:22:14,160
but you know that was that was in a time

486
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,079
where that was commonplace. They you know, where guys would

487
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,400
have a trilogy and two fights would take place in

488
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the span of a few weeks. But yeah, like you

489
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,880
said in the in the let's say in the seventies

490
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and up, it's.

491
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Speaker 1: But you have to find all right.

492
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Speaker 2: But the reason why I was.

493
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Speaker 3: Able to think of that so easily is because McCart

494
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,680
and Winky Wright has always been a trilogy that I've

495
00:22:32,759 --> 00:22:34,759
joked about because it was so unnecessary.

496
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Speaker 1: Why did we have to have the third one after Winky?

497
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Speaker 3: Usually you have a trilogy where the three fights, at

498
00:22:40,519 --> 00:22:44,039
least the first one is great, right, Like Chikita Gonzalez

499
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,240
and Michael Carball, the first fight was the fight of

500
00:22:46,279 --> 00:22:48,039
the year, and they had a second fight and it

501
00:22:48,039 --> 00:22:49,799
got an even score even though it wasn't a great fight,

502
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and ended up having a third fight which was really

503
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,359
not very good either. It's really the first fight that

504
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,599
only was terrific, and McCart and right, none of them

505
00:22:56,599 --> 00:22:59,880
were good. There's another totally ridiculous trilogy where one guy

506
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,319
two wins, no losses, and a no contest in a

507
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:08,920
modern fight. That was Bernard Hopkins in his Ridiculous trilogy

508
00:23:09,559 --> 00:23:11,839
with Robert Allen. That was a fight where one of

509
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:13,559
the where one of the fights was a no contest

510
00:23:13,599 --> 00:23:16,680
because they got into a clinch and Mills Lane accidentally

511
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,759
shoved Bernard Hopkins out of the ring and he had

512
00:23:18,839 --> 00:23:22,200
hurst his ankle and was not able to continue. So

513
00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:24,559
that's a trilogy where there was really no compelling action.

514
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 1: And obviously Canelo and Glovekin the first fight was a draw, correct,

515
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,880
and so that's not a win. And then Canelo got

516
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the next.

517
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Speaker 2: Two, even though Tripogy should have won the.

518
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Speaker 1: First probably, But okay, I love the I love the trivia.

519
00:23:37,279 --> 00:23:39,680
Now why don't we do this on the god We

520
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are going to go back to Saturday night's recap of

521
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the Shiraz knockout of Edgar Berlanga. I say again to

522
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,359
the peeps on the podcast, you would have heard this

523
00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:49,359
with us live or on the YouTube feed. That's the

524
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,720
only place we did it after the fight, So stay

525
00:23:51,759 --> 00:23:54,319
engaged with the YouTube feed. You're gonna hear it now

526
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,359
on the podcast. You just would have heard it first.

527
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:57,920
It's new to you on the pod if you didn't

528
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,279
find the YouTube. Pitche all right, so here's the old

529
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recap of the Ring Magazine his own pay per view

530
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at Louis Armstrong Stadium the United States Tennis Center actually

531
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great indoor venue as it turned out for this for

532
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:15,720
this card, Sharaz the knockout Shaquar Stevenson also in the

533
00:24:15,759 --> 00:24:18,519
co feature a win. You love the entire card. Let's

534
00:24:18,519 --> 00:24:21,640
hear the recap of that right now on the podcast.

535
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,119
Wow Hamza Sharaz. Now one of us thought Sharaz would win.

536
00:24:27,319 --> 00:24:29,079
I did not think I did not think he would

537
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,960
blitz Berlanga like that. Your thoughts on what we just

538
00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:34,000
saw in New York.

539
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Speaker 3: I mean, first of all, forget about Berlanga specifically and

540
00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:41,160
Shiraz specifically. Just I want to talk just in general

541
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,880
terms about the whole show. That was the best pay

542
00:24:43,839 --> 00:24:45,880
per view I've seen in a long time, top to bottom.

543
00:24:46,079 --> 00:24:48,559
All Right, you had a prospect that the kid from Japan,

544
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,160
sassume me. Yeah, he's in with a you know, just

545
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,559
a not a particularly solid opponent, but he's in a

546
00:24:54,559 --> 00:24:56,920
second profile. He looked awesome knocking him out. That's what

547
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,880
you want to see from a prospect. Then they got

548
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,119
going with the real fights, and every single one of

549
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,200
them delivered, right. David Morrell against Katiev was a fantastic fight.

550
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,240
They were in a just a slug fest from the

551
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,240
opening bell. Both guys showed a lot of heart, they

552
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:10,720
both gave, they both took. I mean it was a

553
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:15,079
tremendous battle, evenly matched. Love that match. Next fight, the

554
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,880
title fight between WBC Junior welterwait title holder Alberto Poeo

555
00:25:20,279 --> 00:25:24,839
and the former WBO title holder Sibrill Mattias put on

556
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,000
a tremendous battle great clash of styles, Mattias. We'll get

557
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,920
to all the details, but pressure, pressure, pressure, Pueo China Box.

558
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,359
They put on a fantastic fight, close all the way,

559
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,400
and then you get to the co feature. All the

560
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,640
talk with Stevenson's he gonna run? Is he gonna stand

561
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:41,960
like a man in fight? He stood like a man

562
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,319
and fought, but he showed his skills. Also, fantastic fight.

563
00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:47,880
Thought the scores were crazy wide, but that's just me.

564
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,279
But another terrific fight. And then the main event, Yeah,

565
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,079
maybe a little bit of a slow start. And then

566
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,559
as my good friend Tig likes to say, boom goes

567
00:25:55,599 --> 00:26:01,720
to dynamite. So we'll talk about the Berlanga. Look, whatever

568
00:26:01,759 --> 00:26:04,599
you thought about the stinky performance he had in the

569
00:26:04,599 --> 00:26:07,880
Adamis fight, I do believe he struggled making the weight.

570
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,640
I do believe that Andy Lee is a future Hall

571
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,839
of Fame trainer and he's showing it with the things

572
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,680
he's doing, not only in this fight with Sharaz, but

573
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,799
other clients that he has worked with. He is a

574
00:26:16,839 --> 00:26:21,319
boxing man through and through. He continues the great lineage

575
00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:25,960
of Emmanuel Stewart, who was his trainer and manager for

576
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,920
all the years and you know, Andy is is a

577
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,920
great boxing mind. And it clear to me that the

578
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,759
combination of the weight that he was able to gain

579
00:26:35,839 --> 00:26:39,440
Sharaz to be you know, not as not struggle as

580
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much combined with what Andy brings to the table in

581
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terms of his just his brain, his calm, demeanor, his

582
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,720
his also the ability to you know, instill confidence, knows

583
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,519
what the guy is going through. He's not that long

584
00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:54,799
retired from his own professional career where he was a

585
00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:57,440
middleweight world champ. He's worked with some top notch fighters,

586
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,400
including Tyson Fury and others. And uh, you know, he

587
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,200
was fearless, came to Berlina's hometown in New York and

588
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after uh and even he admitted in the in the

589
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,079
interview afterwards, you know he was losing that fight for

590
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,319
the for the through the first few rounds. But you know,

591
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,160
it's a twelve round fight. You don't have to win

592
00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:17,720
round one and two necessarily. But he then, of course

593
00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:21,680
had two spectacular knockdowns in uh, what was it, round

594
00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:22,799
number four.

595
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: Four in the fourth round at the end of the

596
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:24,960
fourth round.

597
00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 3: And I'll give yeah, yeah, I'll give Edgar Berlang a

598
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,759
lot of credit for getting up both times.

599
00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 2: Because either one of those knockdowns could have easily ended

600
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,720
the fight. So we certainly the second lion that I

601
00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:35,480
thought live.

602
00:27:35,559 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 1: I thought on the second one he was going to

603
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,680
get counted out, but he got up and was right

604
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,279
at the end of the round. We'll get into all

605
00:27:40,319 --> 00:27:43,400
of that. Uh and and they let him come out

606
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,960
for the fifth round. Again. We assume everybody watching us

607
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,200
has seen it. There are probably some that didn't see

608
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,200
it on pay per view but maybe have now seen

609
00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:55,359
the finish of the fight on social media, et cetera.

610
00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:59,640
But I mean Shiraz came in measured at the beginning

611
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,640
of the fifth round and then wap whap, two big punches. Well,

612
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,920
Berlanga down again in the fight has stopped Dan.

613
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Speaker 3: I'm very sure that when the referee saw the punishment

614
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that he took on the two knockdowns in round number four,

615
00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:13,519
that he was certainly going to be on high alert,

616
00:28:13,559 --> 00:28:15,640
let's say, for something that might rock him early on.

617
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And so had the knockdowns not occurred in round number

618
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,519
four and he took those same kind of punches that

619
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he took in round number five that staggered him, the

620
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,960
referee probably doesn't stop the fight. But because he was

621
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,000
down so brutally in the previous round. The referee obviously

622
00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:31,559
made the right call to stop the fight. I thought

623
00:28:31,599 --> 00:28:34,440
that David Dial, who was an outstanding referee in my opinion,

624
00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:37,559
particularly with his ability to handle heavyweight fights, thought he

625
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,160
gave Berlanga, you know, the slow walk in round number

626
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,839
in now round number four, kind of a little extra

627
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,759
time to my liking to that basically let him survive

628
00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:50,160
the round. But it didn't matter because he was not

629
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,119
able to recover after what happened. The one minute rest

630
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,759
period was just not enough and Berlanga got dusted. And

631
00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:58,960
so now you ask yourself, Okay, whatever your position was

632
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,440
about Berlanga before the fight, he's now lost both times

633
00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:05,640
he's been at the highest level. He got obviously lost,

634
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,200
you know, a wide decision and got dropped by Canelo.

635
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,160
Although in the aftermath most of us thought, okay, he

636
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,480
did a much better job in that fight than most

637
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,319
people thought. I don't know if that's a credit to

638
00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:18,599
Berlanga or maybe we're seeing, you know, the the downslide

639
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,440
of Canelo Alvarez. But whatever it was, after a slow start,

640
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,039
you know, hams A Shiraz just put it on him,

641
00:29:25,759 --> 00:29:28,039
and you know the size difference was dramatic. This was

642
00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:30,799
Toms's first fight at one sixty eight. Fine, but if

643
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:32,240
you didn't know that, you look and you see a

644
00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:34,519
giant against a small guy, because Toms is a much

645
00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:39,119
taller man, has much much bigger reach and uh and

646
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,759
just physically much larger than in every dimension and also

647
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,799
was a good puncher at one sixty and clearly it

648
00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:47,720
has come with him two one hundred and sixty eight

649
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,720
pounds because he he tagged Edgar, Yes, even when Edgar's

650
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,720
been when other good fighters. You know, Yeah, Canelo dropped him,

651
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,440
but he never really punished him. He never really hurt

652
00:29:57,519 --> 00:29:58,039
him too much.

653
00:29:58,759 --> 00:30:01,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a just walk, right, just to dissect that.

654
00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:04,519
That was a one punch flash knockdown in that fighting,

655
00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:06,559
correct me if I'm wrong, you were there, ring sign.

656
00:30:06,599 --> 00:30:08,359
I'm trying to remember that was there and keep track

657
00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:11,000
of it. Did you ever since that Berlanga was hurt

658
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,720
like he was hurt after those charras, that's I.

659
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,319
Speaker 3: Guess I'm just saying, no, Yeah, sure is. No, he

660
00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:17,759
got dropped, but he got up, dusted himself off, and

661
00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:20,160
that was never really other than on the scorecards where

662
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,640
he lost the point that was never a factor in

663
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,680
my view, and the remainder of the fight. These knocked

664
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,920
downs he took against were obviously a heavy duty factor

665
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,759
because he was not recovered and therefore the fight was stopped.

666
00:30:29,759 --> 00:30:31,599
You know, just a few seconds into the next round

667
00:30:31,599 --> 00:30:34,960
when he took a rough combination and staggered on the shot.

668
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,799
You know, if he doesn't, if he didn't go down

669
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:38,559
on those punches, but if the rep doesn't stop it,

670
00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:41,279
clearly he's getting drilled. You don't want to see him,

671
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:42,839
you know, go to the hospital and be out cold.

672
00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:44,880
I mean that the point was making that Charaz was

673
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,119
the better man, end up story.

674
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: Of again, a lot of live audience joining us. We

675
00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:52,519
love it here on YouTube. As we're doing this live

676
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,759
on Saturday night. We've given some opening thoughts. I'm using

677
00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:59,640
the word there on the screen overrated for Berlanga. I

678
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,319
I mean, I think you can make the case that,

679
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:04,640
I mean, Canelo's a Hall of Famer. Yes, this is

680
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,079
Shiraz's first fight in the division. It's all set up

681
00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:09,079
for Berlanga at home in New York, and he got

682
00:31:09,119 --> 00:31:11,599
blitzed here and the critics are going to be out.

683
00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:13,279
You know this, You've done it for a long time.

684
00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:14,640
They're going to be out for Berlanga.

685
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,359
Speaker 3: Go ahead, well, I mean it's that's first of all,

686
00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:19,160
that's boxing. I mean, you know, you lose a fight

687
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,519
like that and the critics are gonna come for it.

688
00:31:20,519 --> 00:31:22,839
I mean, just imagine, and I'll date myself a bit.

689
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:25,640
When when Marco Antonio Berra got beat twice in a

690
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,039
row by Junior Jones, people left the man for dead

691
00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:30,960
D E A D.

692
00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: And guess what.

693
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 3: He came back and put on one spectacular fight after another,

694
00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:38,839
made himself into a lock Hall of famer, won multiple

695
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,279
world titles after that, scored humongous wins against Eric Morales

696
00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:45,119
and Prince Nassin and others, And you don't write him off.

697
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,799
I'll use another example. My man Vladimir klitschkow left for

698
00:31:50,119 --> 00:31:52,720
dead after he got knocked out by Lemon Brewster, another

699
00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:56,480
knockout loss in his career. His brother, the great Batali Clitchko,

700
00:31:56,839 --> 00:32:00,240
suggested he should retire. Vladimir Klitschko then went one of

701
00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:03,440
the greatest streaks in the history of heavyweight championship boxing

702
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,440
and became a Hall of Famer and one of the

703
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:07,720
legends of the sport. So and I'm not saying that

704
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:10,160
Berlang is going to do that, okay, But the point

705
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,759
is only that you can have the worst night of

706
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:16,839
your career, which Edgar Berlanga had tonight, and you can still.

707
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: With hard work, a little luck, a little you know, proper.

708
00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:24,759
Speaker 3: Recovery time and matchmaking and mental focus and all the

709
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:27,799
things that go into it, can rebuild yourself. So you know,

710
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,319
I'm not going to write him off the same way

711
00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:31,160
I'm not going to write off other guys that lost

712
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,559
on the show tonight, you know what I'm saying. So

713
00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:37,000
you know, again, the chances are gives Berlanga as a

714
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:38,640
lot of people have not thought that much of his

715
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,079
abilities even before this fighting, before the Canela fight, and

716
00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:44,720
he still hasn't really beaten a top level guy. So

717
00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:48,400
the chances that he becomes a Barrera, you know, or

718
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,960
a Clitch goover somebody like that are not great. But

719
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,759
you know, I don't He's twenty eight years old. I

720
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:56,160
doubt he's retiring. He's made great money in his last

721
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,759
few fights. But he's a fighter and that's what he does.

722
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:00,000
And he showed a lot of balls at heart and

723
00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:02,119
got up and let me ask you a question. So

724
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:03,839
he lost a fight by a knockout. You wouldn't want

725
00:33:03,839 --> 00:33:05,160
to see the guy in another fight? Of course you

726
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,559
would the way he fights in my opinion.

727
00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:10,799
Speaker 1: All right, much to get to here, we're gonna your point.

728
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:11,799
Speaker 2: Do you want to see him again?

729
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: I know I'm not making a point about whether he

730
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,039
should retire or no.

731
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 3: I'm saying you want to see him in the in

732
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:18,960
the ring again? Would you watch the fight? Would you

733
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:19,440
be interested?

734
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,599
Speaker 1: He probably would have some level of interest, but I'm

735
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,720
not as interested. After I watched Canelo beating decisively and

736
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,680
I watched Sharaz knock him out. He's got to prove

737
00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:30,519
more to me if you're asking me my opinion about Berlanga.

738
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:32,279
And I think it is fair to use the word

739
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:35,200
overrated right now because he was hyped for a while

740
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,880
by top rank et cetera. He moved away from top rank.

741
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,400
He did get the shot with Canelo.

742
00:33:41,799 --> 00:33:44,279
Speaker 3: The reason I would not say the word overrated is

743
00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:47,759
accurate because he's never been most He's talked big, but

744
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,720
most people, media and fans have just said basically, here's

745
00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:55,000
a good, solid super middleweight. They never made it out

746
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,480
to be the top contender or gray bar, you know.

747
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:01,279
So I think he's in He's been fairly where he's been,

748
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,000
so I wouldn't say he's overrated. He's just he's a

749
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:08,079
good fighter, he's a quality puncher and all that. But

750
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:09,679
you know, he is what he is. He's a guy

751
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:10,960
that fits in the middle of the division.

752
00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: Let's turn to the co Maine the cod feature on

753
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,320
this and that is Shakur Stevenson. I put the word convincing.

754
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,519
Certainly the back half of the fight he was convincing,

755
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,800
winning a unanimous decision over William Zapeeda. So two things

756
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,199
for me. The first thing is I thought it was

757
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,440
strange that tactically he stayed on the ropes a bunch

758
00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:37,440
early on in the fight, almost daring Zapeeda to come

759
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,880
at him punch him. He was kind of leaning back,

760
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,559
as we do this on video, with his right shoulder

761
00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:44,920
and his left glove up. He did it over and

762
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,760
over again early and then he kind of got on

763
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,760
the front foot and was a little more aggressive and

764
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,119
began to open up a little bit. And I thought

765
00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:56,840
he wore zapeieda down, especially championship rounds tenth, eleventh, and

766
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,519
twelfth round and Shakoor was the better fighter. Those are thoughts.

767
00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:03,719
What are your thoughts analyzing his decision went over the

768
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,039
guy that is regarded as the best contending lightweight, Zepeda

769
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:07,679
of Mexico.

770
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 3: Well, I thought that he won the fight number one.

771
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,559
It was a really good fight. And by course Stevenson's standards,

772
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,159
we've we've been so harsh on some of the recent

773
00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:18,599
fights he's had because they've been so terrible, you know,

774
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,480
to compare what happened in this bout to what we

775
00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:25,199
saw in fights like Edwin Delos Santos or Hartoonian, this

776
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,800
was a revelation. This was an excellent fight to watch.

777
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,920
I feel like by matching up with another quality fighter,

778
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,679
it did bring the best out of Shaquor, like he understood,

779
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:36,840
like he and I'm not trying to speak for him.

780
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,119
I'm just getting my impression and having interview at Chaquor

781
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,440
and many times and all that, I don't think he

782
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,760
really had any true fear or worry or concern about

783
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,280
a guy like del Santos or Hardtunian. Not to mention

784
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,360
he was injured in the in the de Lo Santos

785
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,480
fighters to make excuses for him, so he still went

786
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,199
out there and he won the fights pretty handily. But

787
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,280
I do think there was I'm not gonna say fear,

788
00:35:56,639 --> 00:35:59,840
but concern about what's the Paida brought to the table.

789
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,960
I'm sure he watched some video of the guy, or

790
00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:05,880
certainly his team watch video and told him what was pecked. So,

791
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,559
when you know you're going in with a guy who's

792
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,320
a hard charging fighter from Mexico with massive aggression that

793
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,320
does literally throw about one hundred punches around and as

794
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,360
heavy duty punching power, you know that you're gonna be

795
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,920
maybe in for a tough night, so you're gonna have

796
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,239
to bite down. So he got himself in great condition.

797
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,039
He looked a lot physically stronger to me tonight, the

798
00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:25,599
way his body was proportioned and some of the muscularity

799
00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:27,679
that he had added over the course of the camp

800
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,199
getting ready for this fight. If you look at his

801
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,840
body compared to the way he looked during the Padley fight,

802
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,119
like that was back in February, he just looked physically stronger,

803
00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:37,079
and even he said after the fight, when he goes

804
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:39,800
back to the drawing board, so to speak, he's gonna

805
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,519
try to get even more physically stronger. So that's that's

806
00:36:42,559 --> 00:36:44,679
important for when you're type fighting these types of fights.

807
00:36:44,679 --> 00:36:48,039
But in terms of his performance. The scores of the

808
00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:51,840
fight I thought were excessively wide in my opinion, one

809
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,320
nineteen to one oh nine, one eighteen to one ten twice,

810
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,320
I thought it was much much closer. I had the

811
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,199
fight really close and paid a winning up until the

812
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,199
latter part of the fight. In the end, I did

813
00:37:03,199 --> 00:37:05,840
have Court winning seven rounds to five, but I gave

814
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,360
him six of the last seven rounds, so I had

815
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,639
him behind. You know, I gave his pay to most

816
00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:13,440
of those early rounds. The aggression and the landing punches

817
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,159
were tremendous, but your corp, as he said, I had

818
00:37:17,159 --> 00:37:18,960
to dig deep into my bag and pull out what

819
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,119
I had because.

820
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: He he was tough.

821
00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 3: Anybody that wanted to say, I want to see chirkor

822
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,440
Stevenson prove something tonight. I want him to show that

823
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:31,519
he's not just this defensive specialist that he can bite

824
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:34,760
down in so called quote unquote fight like a real man.

825
00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:38,039
Well he did that. So if you're unsatisfied, you're just

826
00:37:38,159 --> 00:37:42,159
not satisfiable. Fought a tremendous fight, and it was exciting

827
00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:43,840
and it was smart, and he did a lot of

828
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,280
different things. He showed a lot of different wrinkles in

829
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:46,679
his game.

830
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,199
Speaker 1: What did you make of his early strategy of laying

831
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,320
back on the ropes. I know Antonio Tarveror on the

832
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,119
broadcast with Jim Lampley kept saying, I don't know what

833
00:37:55,159 --> 00:37:57,599
he's doing. Why is he doing it? Lampley even made

834
00:37:57,639 --> 00:37:59,960
mention like in the second or third round that Antonio

835
00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:03,360
Harvor is waving his hand at Chakour, get out of

836
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:04,960
the corner, get off the roll.

837
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 3: Highly inappropriate for the comment that.

838
00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 2: And I've seen that with nothing but love for my man.

839
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:13,119
Speaker 1: I know, we love the we love tarbor time. But

840
00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:16,239
what do you make of why Shakur was doing that?

841
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,679
Was it part of a strategy to lure him in

842
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,280
and counter punch him, maybe wear him down for later

843
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,559
in the fight. It's not like he did it once

844
00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:25,719
or twice. He did it over and over again early

845
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:26,119
in the fight.

846
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 2: No, I'm sure that it was a combination of things.

847
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 3: It was let me see what he has, let me

848
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,119
tire him out a little bit, let me see and

849
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:36,679
kind of assess his power, and let me counter Also

850
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,639
because one of the things that that he does very

851
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,719
very well is CounterPunch. And so I didn't think it

852
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,039
was anything ridiculous. I mean it's you probably don't want

853
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:45,880
to lay on the ropes against a big puncher like that,

854
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,639
a guy that's gonna swarm you and just be right

855
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,320
up in your face. Not the best movie. He's better

856
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,639
served for his skill set to be in the center

857
00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:54,679
of the ring where his back's not on the ropes

858
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,400
and you can just dazzle with your shots where you

859
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,679
can land and the judges, no matter where they're sitting

860
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,800
or going to see it clearly. But to do that

861
00:39:01,159 --> 00:39:02,800
for a couple of rounds or three rounds, I mean,

862
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,320
you know, it's a long fight, got twelve rounds to

863
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,000
work with, and I think he wanted to just do

864
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:10,079
with those things success what he had in front of him.

865
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,199
Let him tucker himself out a little bit. All that's

866
00:39:12,199 --> 00:39:14,199
hard to do when the guy has not shown that

867
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,360
in the past. He says, a you know, as always

868
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,519
shown if he's going deep into a fight, Zepaida show

869
00:39:18,519 --> 00:39:21,800
and he's got the good engine as they say. I

870
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,880
don't think it was. It hampered him and he slipped

871
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,599
a lot of shots. But the thing that impressed me,

872
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:27,559
number one, he showed a good hint. A lot of

873
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:29,320
people have questioned, well, what's going to happen when shug

874
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:30,639
Get said, well, let me tell you, he got hit

875
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,599
with some solid shots tonight, but he had a lot

876
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:36,599
of good combinations that landed and Zepeida took the shots,

877
00:39:36,599 --> 00:39:38,840
but he was rocked a few times, no doubt about it.

878
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,679
They had some moments where they basically went back and forth.

879
00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:43,880
You know, Shakur would rip off three or four punches

880
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,000
and Sepeta would answer. There was a lot of body

881
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,519
work from both guys. It was just a classy fight.

882
00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:50,440
It was the kind of fight and I say this

883
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:53,360
every single time there's a fight of consequence. In the end,

884
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,239
the goal here is a we are entertained and be

885
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,000
both guys when the fights over, elevate themselves. Chakourt absolutely

886
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,320
evated himself by winning this fight retaining his title, and

887
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,840
I think Zappeia elevated himself also because yeah, okay, he

888
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,480
didn't win the fight, he sure looked the hell a

889
00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:10,000
lot better than he did against Tevin Farmer. Absolutely is

890
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,079
a lot better than Tevin Farmer in my opinion, and

891
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:14,480
I don't think there's anybody out there that's a boxing fan.

892
00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:16,639
Then okay, so he lost, you know, even if it

893
00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:18,440
was wide on the cards, I believe it was much closer.

894
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,320
But even still, even think it was wide on the cards,

895
00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:22,360
you wouldn't want to see Williams of Paida tee it

896
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,639
up with anybody else in the division, of course you would.

897
00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 1: And I had the fight on the on the Big

898
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,719
Fight weekend card. I had to fight four to four

899
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,119
going into the final four rounds and gave Shakor all

900
00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:33,840
four of those rounds, and he was very impressive. In particular,

901
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,599
he was pot shotting. I love that boxing phrase with

902
00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:40,239
that left uppercut, that lead left uppercut. He landed numerous

903
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,199
times in the fight, and I thought Zippeda was tired

904
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,320
eleventh round, twelveth round especially, he didn't have the same zing.

905
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,800
He wasn't landing with any effectiveness. Stevenson got him into

906
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,400
the late rounds because he's been in a lot of

907
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:53,400
twelve round fights.

908
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: He was trolling a ton of punches, and he was

909
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,360
expending a tremendous ment of energy, and he was taking

910
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,440
a lot of punches. And as you mentioned from your score,

911
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,239
I'm looking at what I have here. I had Shaquor,

912
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,719
all right, let me say I had after round eight,

913
00:41:04,559 --> 00:41:07,840
I had Zepaida winning seventy seven to seventy five after

914
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,320
giving him the eighth d then.

915
00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: I gave threes Apaida after eight, and then you gave

916
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,519
Shakur all the last four round.

917
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, seventy seven to seventy five after eight, and then

918
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,639
I gave Shakur the final four rounds of the fight,

919
00:41:17,679 --> 00:41:19,440
which I thought were pretty clear in my mind.

920
00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 1: All right, the uh, We're gonna get to your comments, Dan,

921
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,000
it is off the charts, how many people are commenting.

922
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:27,079
We'll try to get to some of it because.

923
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 3: I want to talk about what's next for Scord and Savages.

924
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:31,159
Speaker 1: Hang on what is next?

925
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:31,519
Speaker 2: Year?

926
00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:35,119
Speaker 1: At one thirty five, The Schofield fight did not happen

927
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,880
earlier this year for whatever reason. The week of the

928
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,519
fight in Saudi Arabia is that next? Is it something

929
00:41:42,519 --> 00:41:44,360
else next? In your mind?

930
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,559
Speaker 3: That's surely you think that that Schofield said he wants.

931
00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:49,800
That's the fight that Oscar de la Hoya, his promoter,

932
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,519
said he wants. That was in the immediate aftermath of

933
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,719
him knocking out Tevin Farmer in the first round. The

934
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,119
fight was made for earlier in the year. Uh so

935
00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:01,400
they were able to make obviously a financial deal and

936
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,280
all that, and Turkey would still be involved with that.

937
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,079
So if Turkey wants to try to put it back together,

938
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:09,519
I see zero reason. I guarantee you that Shakur would

939
00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:12,599
accept that fight. It seemed pretty obvious that that Schofield

940
00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:14,679
and his people were interested in the fight. So yeah,

941
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:16,239
I would have no problem if they made that match.

942
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:16,559
Speaker 2: Why not?

943
00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 3: I mean, it's, uh, they'll there'll be a lot of

944
00:42:18,519 --> 00:42:20,480
storyline because of what happened in the fight that took

945
00:42:20,519 --> 00:42:23,000
place back in or that didn't take place I should say,

946
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:27,199
back in February. Uh, he's got the Farmer fight to

947
00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:29,239
go off of, which was a big win for him.

948
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,760
That's obviously his biggest win. But it's not like he's

949
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,559
the only game in town. I mean, you know, I

950
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,800
mean the other champions in the division, it's it's kind

951
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,199
of in a they're in a tough spot because the

952
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,599
w BO belt is vacant at the moment since Lomachenko

953
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:47,920
or not Lowachenko but got stripped, so that that will

954
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,239
be filled by the November fight between Abdullah Mason and

955
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,679
Sam Noakes. Those guys whoever wins the title in that

956
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,800
fight won't be ready for Scord in the next fi

957
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,960
because they're fighting each other and and frankly not ready

958
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:02,280
for sugar on a competitive level either, so I don't

959
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,239
even look at that as a possibility. The IBF title

960
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:09,000
holder is Ray Mooretaya. He has a mandatory that has

961
00:43:09,039 --> 00:43:12,000
been ordered. We'll see what happens with that. And then

962
00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:15,000
the WBA champion his Gravanta Davis, who was arrested and

963
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,079
you know his August fight that was supposedly happening. I'm

964
00:43:18,199 --> 00:43:20,440
very confident won't happen, at least not in August. He's

965
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,360
gonna be dealing with his legal issues, and even without

966
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,039
the legal issues, there was a good chance at that

967
00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:27,519
fight wouldn't happen. I'll tell you what Chaquur could do though,

968
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,280
And I think this, if if Gervanti really is going

969
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,920
to be on the shelf for a while, or isn't

970
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,960
going to fight in August or even you know, in

971
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,360
September or October or whatever, I'll tell you a fight

972
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,480
that would be a really interesting matchup. We make him

973
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,079
against Lamont Roach. Roach deserves the opportunity.

974
00:43:41,199 --> 00:43:44,679
Speaker 1: You scare me. I was about to ask that very question,

975
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,679
and you came up with it first, which is if

976
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,400
the availability of Davis is in question here over the

977
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,960
next sixty to ninety days. Why not in October November?

978
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,320
Fight would LaMonte Roach?

979
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 2: And like I said, the.

980
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 3: Murtai fightsrobably not available to unify, mainly because he just

981
00:44:03,559 --> 00:44:06,079
was ordered to do the mandatory against Well, actually I

982
00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:09,719
take the back he was ordered. He was made the mandatory,

983
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,400
but he still has time to get in an optional

984
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,880
if he wants, and Andy Cruz is the mandatory, so

985
00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:18,320
theoretically they could try to make that match. I just

986
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,440
don't see murre Taie in his first defense going in

987
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,440
with Chakur, unless Turkey comes with the big bags. As

988
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,960
the kids say, I guess it's anything as possible, But uh,

989
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,000
I think that his next fight, I think the one

990
00:44:32,039 --> 00:44:34,599
that makes the most sense, that's the most makeable is

991
00:44:34,639 --> 00:44:37,679
probably either Schofield or I'd love to see him with Roach.

992
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: I think Roach or Schofield, sign me up. That's interesting.

993
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,280
After being in the Honda Center two weeks ago tonight

994
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,519
and watching him blitz Farmer, you now have more appeal

995
00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:49,800
on that win and Shakur's win tonight for those two

996
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:55,320
guys to fight later this fall. Bruce watching says we

997
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,119
in here that we like that. He says, wait to

998
00:44:57,199 --> 00:45:01,360
set up Sharaz Canelo. All right, let's go right there.

999
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,199
What is the likelihood should Alvarez be victorious with Terrence

1000
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,760
Crawford that Hams as Sharaz is on the radar for

1001
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,079
Canelo twenty twenty six. What do you think, Dan Rayfield?

1002
00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 4: Oh?

1003
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Turkey al Chik is the paymaster, he said publicly

1004
00:45:18,039 --> 00:45:20,719
and to the fighter, I'm going to give you Canel obbers.

1005
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,800
Remember whatever happens in the Crawford fight, I mean, unless

1006
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,039
Canell decided to retire, win or lose. But if he

1007
00:45:26,039 --> 00:45:28,000
wins or he loses, and he continues with his career,

1008
00:45:28,599 --> 00:45:30,480
it'll still be a big deal. And he still has

1009
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:33,440
two more fights left with Turkey, after the Cane, after

1010
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,719
the Crawford fight. So it's very obvious that one of

1011
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,639
those fights, you know, he's fight. He's gonna probably fight

1012
00:45:38,679 --> 00:45:40,519
twice in the year, unless there his injuries are some

1013
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,639
other compelling reason why he wouldn't. But if he does,

1014
00:45:44,119 --> 00:45:46,119
you're looking at the two names. These are not secrets.

1015
00:45:46,119 --> 00:45:47,599
One is going to be Hams of Shiraz, who I

1016
00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:51,159
don't think is gonna not fight again until like next September.

1017
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:52,599
Speaker 2: Let's say if that was what it was going to be.

1018
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:54,400
You can't. You're not gonna hold the guy out for

1019
00:45:55,199 --> 00:45:55,719
more than a year.

1020
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 3: Right, Well, I'm saying there's two if he fights in May,

1021
00:45:58,559 --> 00:46:01,000
but he takes another opponent, because the two opponents that

1022
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,480
they're talking about are either Sharaz or Chris u Bank Junior. Now,

1023
00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:06,960
if you Bank Junior, he's got his rematch coming up

1024
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,920
with Connor Ben. If he wins the rematch, either one

1025
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,119
of them would be ready to go by May. So

1026
00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:13,760
one guy might get the fight and then the other

1027
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,599
guy wouldn't get till September. So again, whoever is the

1028
00:46:16,679 --> 00:46:18,760
odd man out for the May fight, they're not going

1029
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,760
to probably sit around and wait.

1030
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:22,679
Speaker 2: Now, maybe maybe u Bank.

1031
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,039
Speaker 3: Would do that because he's older, his fight with with

1032
00:46:26,039 --> 00:46:28,000
with the rematch with Ben is not until later in

1033
00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:30,480
the year. But if it's Shiraz and you just want

1034
00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:34,320
to fight here in July and you're just supposed to

1035
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,079
lay off until next September, I mean it would make

1036
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:38,559
though I would think he would have another fight. But

1037
00:46:38,639 --> 00:46:42,679
the point here is this, unquestionably the names that are

1038
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,920
going to be most discussed for the next two Canelo

1039
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,079
Alvarez fights. Again, things can change, but at this moment

1040
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:52,239
it will be Chris u Bank, who probably would have

1041
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,440
to beat Ben in the rematch, and Hamsa Shiraz.

1042
00:46:54,519 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 2: There's no that's you know there, that's pretty clear.

1043
00:46:57,559 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: Somebody gets the golden ticket if if that's the case.

1044
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,679
Speaker 3: Back to the comments, and by the way, from the

1045
00:47:03,679 --> 00:47:07,239
Sharra's point of view, he just dusted the guy the

1046
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,559
Canelo had to go twelve with, so they're from compelling

1047
00:47:10,639 --> 00:47:13,440
aspect for that. And Chris Ubank, even though he's fighting

1048
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,519
Connor Ben in the middleweight division, both in the first

1049
00:47:16,559 --> 00:47:19,119
fight and in this rematch, has ample experience as a

1050
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:21,039
super middle He has fought numerous fights in the super

1051
00:47:21,079 --> 00:47:24,599
middleweight division against a number of quality opponents on top

1052
00:47:24,639 --> 00:47:26,840
of that, so that's a legit fight. Also if they

1053
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,119
do that fight at one sixty eight.

1054
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 1: More comments from the Savages, David says, what a great card,

1055
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,920
highly entertaining. Thank you for watching us. David. Here tonight,

1056
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,519
Kyle says that Hamza looked like a Kronk guy from

1057
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:42,559
the eighties. He's complimenting like out of the lineage of

1058
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:43,480
Thomas Hearns and.

1059
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 3: Well that's Andy Lee with Emmanuel Stewart Jnson and Andy

1060
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,280
Lee trained at Kronk when he became a professional.

1061
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: And Jim Lampley right away before the fight began, says,

1062
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,920
Sharaz looks long and lanky, lanky, but I saw Andy

1063
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,119
Lee as a skinny, big time puncher that seemed to

1064
00:47:59,159 --> 00:48:01,960
come out of nowhere. He almost teed it up and

1065
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,599
foreshadowed what we saw from Sharraz. And we had seen

1066
00:48:04,639 --> 00:48:07,639
Sharra's bomb a couple of guys out before the Adamas fight.

1067
00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 3: And now Williams to Liam Williams, he you know he

1068
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,039
beat it. He did it to Denzel Bentley. But I

1069
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:15,000
wouldn't say Andy Lee when he came into the pros

1070
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,800
as a boxer, before he became a trainer, obviously he

1071
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,519
didn't definitely not come out of nowhere. This was an

1072
00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:23,039
Irish olympian who was heavily touted, who was looked at

1073
00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:25,599
by many as a future superstar and a future champion.

1074
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,800
A lot of promoters tried to sign him. Emmanuel got

1075
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,480
him and was his manager, UH and had Andy live

1076
00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:33,760
with him. Andy live with Emmanuel for a long time

1077
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,000
when he when he relocated from Ireland to Detroit to

1078
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,519
begin his professional career. I covered numerous Andy Lee fights.

1079
00:48:41,039 --> 00:48:45,719
UH been around him a million times. Just a tremendous person.

1080
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,440
And as I said before, and we were talking about

1081
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,920
the fight, a brilliant boxing mind just from someone experience

1082
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,079
as an amateur. But to spend all those years at

1083
00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:55,480
the knee of the great Emmanuel Stewart, you better Dan

1084
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:56,519
learned something and he has.

1085
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 1: But else on the under hard here this evening, let's

1086
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:06,000
start with the Mattias pueo as we descend down thoughts

1087
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,960
on that narrow decision win for Suprile Matias. Did you

1088
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:09,960
agree with that.

1089
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 3: I had to fight a draw? To tell you the truth,

1090
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,840
I had a six rounds to six. But I had

1091
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,159
no problem with uh with the fight the way that

1092
00:49:18,199 --> 00:49:19,639
it wound up. I mean, it was a close fight.

1093
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:22,519
Both guys did their thing. That's the thing. Most of

1094
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:24,440
the time when you see a boxing match, the whole

1095
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,719
concept of what's gonna happen is is who's going to

1096
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,599
impose their their their style, you know, if it's like

1097
00:49:29,639 --> 00:49:34,639
in the case of Chakor against against Zepeeda, Shakur was

1098
00:49:34,679 --> 00:49:36,920
able to impose more of his boxing style and counter

1099
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,800
punching than Zepeta was in terms of his overall overall

1100
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,679
aggression and body work and all that. But in terms

1101
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,800
of the Pueo and Mattias fight, Mattias is a just

1102
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,960
a pure brawler, pure puncher, a guy that just goes

1103
00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:51,639
right at you, and he did that for twelve rounds.

1104
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,280
And Pueo is more of a boxer, He is more

1105
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:55,719
of a counter puncher. He's more of a guy that

1106
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,719
will come off the ropes, and he did that also,

1107
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,519
And so in the end I agreed with one of

1108
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:01,480
the judges, which was one fourteen to one fourteen. The

1109
00:50:01,559 --> 00:50:04,639
other two judges gave it to Mattias one fifteen, one thirteen.

1110
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,440
If you were listening to the commentators, they seemed to

1111
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,920
feel like that it was Pueo that was slightly ahead.

1112
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:11,679
Was that kind of fight? I mean, there was really

1113
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,400
again no losers in terms of the public opinion, I

1114
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,960
don't think because I've never been a big Playo fan,

1115
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,960
but now I'm more interested in him after seeing his

1116
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,440
performance and that fight. Mattias has always been exciting to

1117
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,159
watch when he's won or loss. I find the very

1118
00:50:24,159 --> 00:50:26,079
interesting thing about the way that went down is that

1119
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,440
Mattias came into this bat with a couple of losses,

1120
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,960
but he had never went to distance in a win.

1121
00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:33,760
All his previous twenty two victories were all by knockout.

1122
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,519
This was the first time he ever went to the

1123
00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:38,280
cards and actually won the fight very very close, and

1124
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,800
it was a It was a I was surprised how

1125
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,280
good that fight was because I know a lot of

1126
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,719
people were thinking about Mattias and sort of the way

1127
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,320
he brings his style and it's always exciting. But I

1128
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,679
thought that Pueo might kind of maybe stink him out

1129
00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:51,800
a little bit, if that makes sense.

1130
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:54,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then of course the fight was here.

1131
00:50:54,159 --> 00:50:57,679
Speaker 1: Jack Mattias looked terrible in the fight with Liam Paros.

1132
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,840
In the back of your mind, your concerned until you saw.

1133
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,639
Speaker 2: At least to night. Now, at least.

1134
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: Tonight, he looked like a totally different fighter.

1135
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,119
Speaker 3: Because because he came back and won a fight since

1136
00:51:08,159 --> 00:51:10,679
then and he did fine, and when Paro had a

1137
00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:13,519
certain style, and I think that maybe that when Mattias

1138
00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:15,760
had that fight, he was a little overcome by having

1139
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,159
the fight in his hometown and distracted, and that's the

1140
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,360
real thing. It happened sometimes, So I wasn't like overly

1141
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,840
concerned about that. And then when the fight was over

1142
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,880
with Mattias getting the victory, you know, Dalton Smith who's

1143
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,199
been the mandatory for the WBC. He's there at the fight,

1144
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,440
he is the next guy. And they made the announcement

1145
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,079
in their ring basically that you know, that's the match

1146
00:51:34,119 --> 00:51:37,840
he's making for Mattias to fight in the defense against

1147
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,639
Dalton Smith. That will put it on that November twenty

1148
00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:42,599
two cards of doing in Riot. And then later in

1149
00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:45,519
the show they were like, whoever wins the fight between

1150
00:51:45,559 --> 00:51:47,840
Dalton Smith and Matias, we're gonna give Playo a rematch

1151
00:51:48,119 --> 00:51:49,880
or you know, the rematch when Matias or the fight

1152
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:50,360
with Daltons.

1153
00:51:50,639 --> 00:51:54,519
Speaker 1: I heard that because I guess Turkey al Chic relayed that, yeah,

1154
00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:56,119
to Chris Mannix.

1155
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,079
Speaker 2: But there's nothing wrong with the Coppenter.

1156
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: And they and they relayed it on the air, and

1157
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,519
I'm going, we just had the result about twenty or

1158
00:52:02,519 --> 00:52:04,880
thirty minutes ago, and we're already now creating something for

1159
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,760
Playo down the road.

1160
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,559
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't think there's a look. He lost a

1161
00:52:08,599 --> 00:52:13,519
one point fight. The mandatory is gonna happen and the

1162
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,920
I like the concept and I wish it was in

1163
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:18,960
utilized more in boxing. But if a guy loses, you

1164
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,280
don't just discard him. If he puts in an effort.

1165
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:24,360
He makes a good fight, if he creates some drama,

1166
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:26,480
if there's a reason that you want to see him again,

1167
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:28,760
bring him back. So fucking what did he lost? The

1168
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,960
fucking fight? He lost by one point to a guy

1169
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,760
that was also a former champion in an outstanding fight.

1170
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,599
Why wouldn't you want to see the guy again? And

1171
00:52:36,639 --> 00:52:38,960
I suspect that that when the tea is and Dalton

1172
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,480
Smith t it up, that'll be some heavy duty action

1173
00:52:41,559 --> 00:52:43,119
in that fight for as long as it goes as well.

1174
00:52:43,679 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: All right, David Morrell wins controversially. I saw all over

1175
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,320
social media. I gotta confess, Missus Reeves and I were

1176
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,599
out at dinner. I did not see the Morell fight live.

1177
00:52:54,039 --> 00:52:56,400
I want your scorecard. There were a lot of people

1178
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,599
that thought Katyev the Russian was robbed in this fight.

1179
00:52:59,679 --> 00:53:01,599
What did you think on the undercard here?

1180
00:53:01,679 --> 00:53:03,679
Speaker 3: From that, I mean, I can't say rob is hard

1181
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,559
because the fight was so action filled. There were some

1182
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:07,320
close rounds. Both guys did a lot of good work.

1183
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,199
The official scorecards were ninety six to ninety three and

1184
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,599
ninety five to ninety four in favor of morel. One

1185
00:53:12,679 --> 00:53:14,840
judge had it ninety five to ninety four for Katyev.

1186
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,760
That's how I had the fight. So your difference of

1187
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,119
a pain is like one round. I mean, I guess

1188
00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:24,559
we talk all the time TJ. The range of acceptable scores.

1189
00:53:24,599 --> 00:53:27,400
I mean, you give it to Morell by a round.

1190
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,239
I can't really get too mad about it. I don't

1191
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:30,599
agree with it, but I'm not going to like say

1192
00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:32,320
you're on the take or you're an idiot or anything

1193
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,280
like that. It certainly could have been a either way

1194
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:39,679
kind of fight. Morell had his moments, Katyev hit has moments.

1195
00:53:39,679 --> 00:53:41,960
I think people might lean towards thinking that Kadyev was

1196
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,840
the deserved winner because he's the guy that had the

1197
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,559
one knockdown in the fight. Morell had never been dropped

1198
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:48,480
in his career, and he did knock him down. I

1199
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,119
want to say it was in like round and five,

1200
00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:53,360
I believe, and it was not like a little, you know,

1201
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,199
soft touch knock. Then it was a good, good clean shot.

1202
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:57,920
I mean, one thing about kaya he is just a

1203
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,559
strong bull. Not a surprise to me.

1204
00:54:00,679 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 2: TJ.

1205
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:02,559
Speaker 3: We talked about it. I mean, this is a guy

1206
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:04,119
I had on my prospect list at the end of

1207
00:54:04,159 --> 00:54:06,079
last year. I've been watching him since he turned pro,

1208
00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:07,840
and even when he was in the Olympics, I've been

1209
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:10,880
following Kady even knowing a lot about him. I've seen

1210
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,400
a lot of his fights. He's ten and zero now

1211
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,320
he's ten and one. I've probably seen eight of his

1212
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,960
fights going into this one, so I was very familiar

1213
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,239
with him, and I was actually when I've said to

1214
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,880
everybody when this fight came up, this is like the

1215
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,519
sleeper fight, because you might a lot of people don't

1216
00:54:23,559 --> 00:54:26,360
really know Katiev because he hasn't had a high profile,

1217
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,559
you know, they look at Morell like always coming off

1218
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:30,480
a loss against Benavidez, I was like, dude, this is

1219
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,599
going to be a good fight, I promise, And that's

1220
00:54:32,639 --> 00:54:34,960
exactly what it was. So I give Morel a lot

1221
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,119
of credit for coming off of that kind of loss

1222
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,639
not that long ago, that was only in February, to

1223
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,880
take on a very solid guy that there's really no

1224
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,760
upside the beating, right, if you beat him, okay, you

1225
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:45,960
be a guy that nobody.

1226
00:54:45,679 --> 00:54:46,119
Speaker 2: Ever heard of.

1227
00:54:46,159 --> 00:54:48,199
Speaker 3: If you loss, that's really a rough it's a rough

1228
00:54:48,199 --> 00:54:50,119
loss because nobody ever heard of the guys. So but

1229
00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:53,280
they no problem. They took the fighting for Kadiev as

1230
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,960
a professional. He's taken a monumental step up. I mean

1231
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:57,920
he's a great amateur, but never find anybody even on

1232
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,559
the same fucking stratosphere as David a pro.

1233
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 1: So along those lines, Morell got beaten up and got

1234
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:09,280
decisioned by Benavetez. He struggled to beat katyev tonight. Do

1235
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,400
we have some questions in the short term about how

1236
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,039
good is Morell? The former Cuban Olympian he fights out

1237
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:16,760
of Minnesota.

1238
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 2: Wasn't amp questions. Not an Olympian.

1239
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,639
Speaker 3: David was not just a Cuban Okay, it's just I

1240
00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:24,880
mean it was from the Cuban program and a tremendous amateur.

1241
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 4: Uh.

1242
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't have questions. I mean he was

1243
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,920
in with a really good fighter. Katyav is a is

1244
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,840
a bona fide guy. This is not like nobody. This

1245
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,280
is an Olympic medal winner. This is a guy that

1246
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,519
was for years on the Russian national team, who's got

1247
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,559
background in the amateurs and is a very good fighter.

1248
00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:43,519
They had similar number of professional fights. So you know,

1249
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:44,760
did David struggle a little bit?

1250
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:45,039
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1251
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 3: I mean I guess, but he got to win. He

1252
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:47,960
got knocked out for the first time but I don't

1253
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,639
hold that against the guy. Guy's getting knocked out all

1254
00:55:49,679 --> 00:55:51,599
the time. Pretty Much every great fighter you could think

1255
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:53,159
of has been on the deck, you know, at least

1256
00:55:53,159 --> 00:55:56,400
a no here or there, not a surprise. So I

1257
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,000
just look at this as like a quality matchup. He took,

1258
00:55:59,079 --> 00:56:01,559
he got the close win. I don't think it damages Katyev.

1259
00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:03,039
I think anybody that watched the fight would want to

1260
00:56:03,039 --> 00:56:06,440
see him again. And and if Turkey continues to do

1261
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,719
what he's been doing in his recent events, I see

1262
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,360
no reason why he wouldn't look to try to bring

1263
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,639
Katya back in the right fight, you know, in the

1264
00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:15,559
next couple of shows. There's zero reason why you wouldn't

1265
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:16,679
want to do that. Let him get a little bit

1266
00:56:16,679 --> 00:56:18,559
of a rest, and so he was out there that's

1267
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:19,719
willing to step in the ring of this man. I'm

1268
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,480
gonna tell you right now, there's a lot of guys

1269
00:56:21,519 --> 00:56:23,320
that would say, you know, Matt, thanks, but no thanks

1270
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,039
on katyav unless they bring, you know, a huge amount

1271
00:56:26,039 --> 00:56:28,039
of money to their attention. Fourth thing though, that I

1272
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:29,639
was thinking about with Morell and Katy that we were

1273
00:56:29,679 --> 00:56:32,159
just really quick. I'm not gonna do it real quick.

1274
00:56:32,159 --> 00:56:34,000
I'm gonna take my sweet ass times what I'm gonna do.

1275
00:56:35,519 --> 00:56:37,880
When you go from super middleweight to light heavyweight, there's

1276
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,159
a difference. I feel like that's one of the toughest

1277
00:56:40,199 --> 00:56:41,079
jumps seven pounds.

1278
00:56:41,079 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, go ahead.

1279
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 3: When you switch weight divisions from certain weight classes, there's

1280
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,920
a tradition where guys are are much it's not as

1281
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,679
it's not viewed as as difficult of a jump that

1282
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,360
guys you know easily can win titles in those other

1283
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,800
weight divisions. I've always felt, as I've watched boxing that

1284
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,400
that jump from sixty eight to seventy five is a

1285
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,719
little bit more complicated. And I feel like David Morel,

1286
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,920
who was the perfect size at light heavyweight, I mean

1287
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,719
at super midway rather has looked rather pedestrian in his handful,

1288
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,920
has gotten out with three fights, I believe as a

1289
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,280
light heavyweight. He didn't look great in the first fight,

1290
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,519
which was back in August of last year when he

1291
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:18,800
was on the cart in California. I attributed part of

1292
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,559
that because it was super hot and they were right

1293
00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:22,039
at the time where the sun was the brightest. It

1294
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:24,960
was bad for both guys. And then he obviously had

1295
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,000
to fight with David Benavidez, which he lost. He scored

1296
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,639
a knockdown against Benavitez, but he still lost a pretty

1297
00:57:29,639 --> 00:57:31,920
clear decision. And then he came back tonight and yes

1298
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:33,599
he got the win, but he struggled a little bit.

1299
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,920
And so sometimes you know, as we've said one thousand

1300
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,840
nine its the weight classes are created for a reason,

1301
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:41,719
and he maybe a guy that looks like a tweiner

1302
00:57:41,719 --> 00:57:43,559
where he might not be able to make one succeeed

1303
00:57:43,559 --> 00:57:46,960
anymore as he's matured, but one seventy five to be

1304
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,000
at the very elite level might be a bridge too far.

1305
00:57:49,039 --> 00:57:50,639
We're going to find out how it goes in the

1306
00:57:50,679 --> 00:57:51,719
next couple of fights for him.

1307
00:57:52,039 --> 00:57:55,199
Speaker 1: Blang to me, showed something getting up from the second nightdown.

1308
00:57:55,239 --> 00:57:56,920
I said it earlier, I repeated here for the audience

1309
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:58,239
to just join us. I didn't think he was going

1310
00:57:58,320 --> 00:57:59,440
to get up. I thought he was going to get

1311
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,039
counted out, and we didn't really address this. I thought

1312
00:58:02,159 --> 00:58:06,400
David Fields took I'm gonna do it on purpose for ever.

1313
00:58:07,079 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 2: I said that.

1314
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: He did administer the count and then let Sharaz have

1315
00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:16,039
a chance to knock him out.

1316
00:58:16,119 --> 00:58:16,519
Speaker 2: At the end.

1317
00:58:16,639 --> 00:58:19,519
Speaker 1: Frank Warren was right there in the front row almost

1318
00:58:19,519 --> 00:58:23,920
got up on the ring apron after how long that took.

1319
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 2: And then the count.

1320
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: I think David was also confused. I'm not making excuses.

1321
00:58:29,079 --> 00:58:31,119
I think he was confused that the round was maybe

1322
00:58:31,159 --> 00:58:33,679
over because he clearly looked over like at the timekeeper,

1323
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,000
like is the round over? Then he pointed at Sharaz

1324
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:40,079
like go back, and then they said fight and then

1325
00:58:40,119 --> 00:58:42,320
they rang the bell. But it took a month, it

1326
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,960
seemed like from when Berlanga got up.

1327
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 3: But the I know they have to you know, New

1328
00:58:46,599 --> 00:58:49,119
York is a commission where they make them administer the count,

1329
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:50,840
the account, but then they have the whole you know,

1330
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,360
go to the side, come to me and make sure

1331
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,079
their balance is okay. But again that shouldn't take as long.

1332
00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:57,000
So he definitely got a few extra seconds there, and

1333
00:58:57,039 --> 00:58:59,480
you'd like to see Sharaz able to get off one

1334
00:58:59,559 --> 00:59:00,840
or two more the round and.

1335
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:01,679
Speaker 2: Then maybe would have ended it.

1336
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,159
Speaker 3: He became academic because he blitzed him in the first

1337
00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:07,159
few seconds of the next round. But uh, like I said,

1338
00:59:07,199 --> 00:59:09,480
David feels to me has always been an outstanding referee.

1339
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:10,079
Speaker 4: Uh.

1340
00:59:10,119 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 2: I don't think he was bad tonight.

1341
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 3: I just felt like, you know, he may may have

1342
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,280
been slightly slow on the uh on the counter, and certainly.

1343
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:18,679
Speaker 1: He made the right He made the right call on

1344
00:59:18,719 --> 00:59:20,679
stopping the fight right away. In the fifth boom boom,

1345
00:59:20,719 --> 00:59:23,679
the two big shots, he's he's down again with the

1346
00:59:23,679 --> 00:59:26,920
gloves on the ground and staggered, and that's enough. Before

1347
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:27,880
you gets point.

1348
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 3: I was making earlier about that is if if the

1349
00:59:31,239 --> 00:59:33,920
knockdowns that happened in the previous round had not occurred,

1350
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,920
and he just got nailed and staggered the way he did,

1351
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,599
that cause him to stop it. But those previous knockdowns

1352
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,599
hadn't happened, Fields wouldn't have stopped the fight. But he

1353
00:59:41,679 --> 00:59:44,280
knows the guy's been damaged badly on the two knockdowns.

1354
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,480
Now he's damaged yet again and looks in big trouble.

1355
00:59:46,719 --> 00:59:47,679
So I'm gonna call.

1356
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 2: It a day.

1357
00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:51,679
Speaker 1: Anything else here in the Saturday Night Live recap mode

1358
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:56,119
off this This show was so much ridiculously better than

1359
00:59:56,159 --> 00:59:59,199
the fatal Fury card in early May, with the three

1360
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:03,239
basic newsfast fights that happened with Tea Fimo Lopez, Devin Haney,

1361
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,480
and Ryan Garcia losing. I think that goes without saying

1362
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:10,639
we got much more entertainment, including a booming night for

1363
01:00:10,719 --> 01:00:13,559
hams of Sharraz. He's the star of the night with

1364
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:15,840
what he did to Berlanga. That's my final thought. Anything

1365
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:16,360
else from.

1366
01:00:16,199 --> 01:00:20,199
Speaker 2: You, uh, Charraz certainly is the reasonable person to pick.

1367
01:00:20,239 --> 01:00:20,599
I picture.

1368
01:00:20,679 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 3: Course, Stevenson is my star of the night because of

1369
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,280
the pressure he was under and to perform in a

1370
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,679
way that was pleasing to the fans. Which you know,

1371
01:00:27,679 --> 01:00:29,599
when guys have to go out of their normal style

1372
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,000
sometimes it doesn't work out so great because they feel

1373
01:00:32,039 --> 01:00:33,960
that pressure. I thought he handled it great and he

1374
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:35,800
put on a heck of a fight. So I give

1375
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,079
him this. I give him my my gold star, and

1376
01:00:38,119 --> 01:00:40,280
I give Charaz would be like my you know, gold

1377
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:41,639
A or gild B or whatever.

1378
01:00:42,519 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 2: But they both performed very very well.

1379
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,519
Speaker 3: The main thing is this, and I owe this to me,

1380
01:00:48,719 --> 01:00:50,880
the simple most thing of all of this business that

1381
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,679
we discussed. If you are a Joe and you bought

1382
01:00:53,679 --> 01:00:56,239
the fight and you spent your sixty bucks, you turn

1383
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,679
off your screen and you were satisfied with what you

1384
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,719
paid because that was a worthwhile card. And it wasn't

1385
01:01:01,719 --> 01:01:04,159
the same way when you did that. After the Canelo

1386
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,119
Skull fight, for example, that card was terrible. It wasn't

1387
01:01:07,159 --> 01:01:08,880
like that after the card that was in Times Square,

1388
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:10,880
as you mentioned. I think another big thing, by the way,

1389
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,840
is there was actual fans there that turned out for

1390
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,159
the event, and they were making noise and they were

1391
01:01:15,159 --> 01:01:17,119
into it, and that was not the case in Saudi

1392
01:01:17,159 --> 01:01:18,880
Rabia or six thirty in the morning and everyone is

1393
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,440
half asleep, and same thing goes for the Times Square card,

1394
01:01:21,519 --> 01:01:23,679
not because fans wouldn't have been excited, maybe, you know,

1395
01:01:23,719 --> 01:01:25,480
if the action didn't necessarily warrant it.

1396
01:01:25,679 --> 01:01:26,639
Speaker 2: But they didn't have fans there.

1397
01:01:26,639 --> 01:01:29,039
Speaker 3: They had, you know, a few hundred that were inside

1398
01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:30,840
like a closed off area, not even people on the

1399
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,400
street could look in. So this made sense. You're in

1400
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,599
an actual place with actual fans. They priced the tickets

1401
01:01:36,599 --> 01:01:39,559
pretty cheap, and they put on a tremendous fight card.

1402
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:41,639
And so they're not all going to be winners. Some

1403
01:01:41,679 --> 01:01:44,960
are going to be less than winners. But you got

1404
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:46,639
to give the credit where credits due. They made four

1405
01:01:46,719 --> 01:01:49,199
excellent fights. I think all four of the fights going

1406
01:01:49,239 --> 01:01:52,079
into the fights had chance to be excellent. The one

1407
01:01:52,119 --> 01:01:54,239
I thought was maybe the least chance was that Pueo

1408
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,840
and Mattia's fight. It turned out to be very, very good.

1409
01:01:57,079 --> 01:01:59,400
The Katia fight with morel was everything I had hoped

1410
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,360
for and more Stevenson I thought was even a better

1411
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,480
fight than I had any right to expect or anybody did.

1412
01:02:04,719 --> 01:02:06,760
And while the Berlanga and Truss fights started off a

1413
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,280
little slow, you know, you're never going to complain. We

1414
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,320
get that kind of explosive ending with those types of knockouts,

1415
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,679
and that was the only knockout of the main four fights,

1416
01:02:14,719 --> 01:02:16,400
so that was a pretty good way to end think,

1417
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,639
so all in all, I was very satisfied with we.

1418
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,079
Speaker 1: Okay, any other thoughts now that we're to Sunday afternoon

1419
01:02:23,199 --> 01:02:26,559
Sunday night, as we're doing this off of that card

1420
01:02:27,239 --> 01:02:30,920
on Saturday Night where I've seen a lot of the

1421
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,960
memes and since we did that and people going after

1422
01:02:35,079 --> 01:02:37,840
Edgar Berlanga for all the talking and throwing the lingerie

1423
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:39,800
underwhere at Oscar de la Jolla and all the different

1424
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,920
stuff and he got knocked out. Anything else to put

1425
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:46,519
a capper. Now that we've had twelve to eighteen hours

1426
01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:47,639
to digest.

1427
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 3: I'm sure this has been a hard day for Edgar Berlanga.

1428
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:51,800
I mean, a guy that's got a lot of pride

1429
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,119
and a lot of swagger and was very confident and

1430
01:02:54,679 --> 01:02:56,199
just you know, it's one thing to lose, but we

1431
01:02:56,239 --> 01:02:58,519
get absolutely ruined. The way he got ruined to just

1432
01:02:58,519 --> 01:03:01,559
get you know, basically dropped a couple of times, like

1433
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:04,239
he was a rag doll. Is not a good thing

1434
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,920
if you're him for the mentality. So a hard day

1435
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,079
for him, but a great day for Hamsa Shiraz, who

1436
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:12,280
came across them, across the ocean to the other guy's

1437
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,519
hometown and didn't just get a win and eke it out,

1438
01:03:15,519 --> 01:03:17,519
but really went in there. And you know, I don't

1439
01:03:17,559 --> 01:03:20,599
I don't like I don't really don't like the phraseology.

1440
01:03:20,599 --> 01:03:22,800
I always thought it was sort of like, very cliche,

1441
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:26,239
but sometimes it's true. He made a statement like I'm

1442
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:28,360
here now at one hundred and sixty eight pounds and

1443
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,159
you guys are gonna have to deal with me. So

1444
01:03:30,239 --> 01:03:32,679
I'm gonna tell you right now, based on his size

1445
01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:35,320
and the power and the and the poise and the

1446
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,559
calmness he has, I'm not saying he would win, but

1447
01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:39,159
you cannot tell me if you stuck him in the

1448
01:03:39,199 --> 01:03:42,079
ring with Canelo Alvarez, the champ, that that's not like

1449
01:03:42,119 --> 01:03:42,960
a legitimate fight.

1450
01:03:43,079 --> 01:03:44,079
Speaker 2: Sure as how is Oh?

1451
01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah? And so I just can I just interject this, Yeah,

1452
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,280
I wanted to see the same thing with David Benavitez

1453
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:54,079
for the last two years, big strong, young, big puncher,

1454
01:03:54,519 --> 01:03:57,719
and Canelo stayed about it about the width of the

1455
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,639
Grand Canyon away from that fight and.

1456
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:01,239
Speaker 4: Why so close?

1457
01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:06,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So stay tuned on whether Shiraz. But you

1458
01:04:06,599 --> 01:04:08,679
did line up and you've you've mentioned it in the

1459
01:04:08,719 --> 01:04:13,000
preview mode and you did line up that that could

1460
01:04:13,079 --> 01:04:17,079
be a fight in Saudi Arabia next year. Stay tuned.

1461
01:04:17,199 --> 01:04:20,960
It could be with Canelo. Stay tuned if that one

1462
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,119
comes about. All right, why don't we do this. We're

1463
01:04:23,159 --> 01:04:26,199
on a roll here on the pod. This is new

1464
01:04:26,239 --> 01:04:31,400
to Everybody podcast audience. Enjoy for the first time anywhere,

1465
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,519
Dan's conversation with the IBF heavyweight Champion, Daniel Dubois. The

1466
01:04:35,559 --> 01:04:38,800
britt will fight Alexander Usik in a rematch this Saturday,

1467
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:43,760
July nineteenth. This is your one on one conversation with him.

1468
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 2: For the undisputed title.

1469
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,039
Speaker 1: The undisputed title. Let's play that interview right now and

1470
01:04:48,039 --> 01:04:50,519
we'll talk a little more about Dubois and a little

1471
01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:52,199
quick preview of this weekend. Here it is.

1472
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,039
Speaker 3: It is my great pleasure to welcome to our podcast

1473
01:04:56,079 --> 01:04:58,599
this week. It is the IBF Heavyweight Champion of the World,

1474
01:04:58,639 --> 01:05:01,559
Daniel Dubois. And Daniel, You've got a very very big

1475
01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:04,239
fight coming up. You're going to be taken on. You

1476
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,440
are the IBF champion, will be taken on the lineal

1477
01:05:06,559 --> 01:05:10,000
champion and the unified champion, Alexander Usik. You guys will

1478
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,639
be meeting for the undisputed heavyweight title. Will take place

1479
01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:15,719
July nineteenth on his own pay per view at what

1480
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,079
will be a wild and packed Wembley Stadium in your

1481
01:05:18,119 --> 01:05:20,639
hometown of London. It's going to be a big one.

1482
01:05:20,679 --> 01:05:22,519
Thank you very much for doing this, Daniel.

1483
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, no pumbling, Matt, no problem.

1484
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you before we get into your

1485
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,320
fight coming up with Alexander Usik. I want to talk

1486
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:33,199
a little bit about that incredibly impressive victory that you

1487
01:05:33,239 --> 01:05:36,519
scored in September in your last fight against Anthony Joshua,

1488
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:40,400
a fighter that had been beaten two times by Alexander Usik,

1489
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,000
but certainly not in the manner that you did it.

1490
01:05:42,719 --> 01:05:44,880
You didn't just beat Anthony Joshua, I mean you really

1491
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,679
destroyed him. Four knockdowns and a fourth round knockout that

1492
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:50,440
many viewed as a knockout of the year. Just a

1493
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:55,400
spectacular performance. And I'm sure that you were confident going

1494
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,800
into that fight that you're gonna win, defend your title,

1495
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,199
putting your wildest dreams. Did you think you were going

1496
01:06:00,239 --> 01:06:02,159
to take him out the way you took him out

1497
01:06:02,159 --> 01:06:05,280
even easier than when Usik out pointed him twice and

1498
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,519
when Andy Ruis knocked him out the first time they fought.

1499
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,519
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean, I'll bring the goods. You know.

1500
01:06:10,599 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 5: My dad told me that this is that's the way,

1501
01:06:14,039 --> 01:06:16,000
that's the way we'd have to fight. We would have

1502
01:06:16,039 --> 01:06:18,960
to make a rule. And yeah, no, I've got a

1503
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:24,719
fire power. And yeah, it was about just see he's

1504
01:06:24,719 --> 01:06:26,440
in a moment, and that's what we did, says the

1505
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:27,840
moment and come out about bell.

1506
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1507
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,079
Speaker 3: So when you when you are, you're gonna be taken

1508
01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:33,679
on Usak in a rematch. Of course, anybody that follows

1509
01:06:33,719 --> 01:06:36,559
boxing knows about that first fight. August two thousand and

1510
01:06:36,719 --> 01:06:39,480
twenty three. You were the WBA mandatory challenge. You guys

1511
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,440
fought in Poland and uh, he scored a ninth round

1512
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,400
knockout against you. It was a very dominating performance. I

1513
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,039
think even you would admit that by Usik.

1514
01:06:47,679 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 4: Uh.

1515
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 3: There was, of course the controversy in the fifth round

1516
01:06:50,119 --> 01:06:53,000
of what you believe was a a legal punch what

1517
01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:55,960
Alexander Usik and the referee thought was a low blow.

1518
01:06:56,639 --> 01:06:59,440
But after the fight continued, once that was uh, you

1519
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:01,679
know behind you, I guess, and he was able to

1520
01:07:01,719 --> 01:07:06,840
go on what prevented you, I guess, from from exploiting

1521
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,519
what you had done to him with that shot where

1522
01:07:09,519 --> 01:07:11,320
you were really not able to get back into the

1523
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:12,840
fight after that, and then of course he went on

1524
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:13,480
to get the win.

1525
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:21,239
Speaker 5: Oh you're talking about the fight still? Oh really, how

1526
01:07:21,239 --> 01:07:22,960
can I say? I don't think I was at my

1527
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:27,480
best in that performance, you know, just everything surrounding the fight.

1528
01:07:27,559 --> 01:07:30,159
But you know, I'm I think I feeled that I'm

1529
01:07:30,199 --> 01:07:34,079
a new different fight now, Oh, no question. I'm a

1530
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:35,920
man of the future. So that was in a past.

1531
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:37,559
I'm a man of the future, and I need to

1532
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,960
prove that on the night that I'm not going to

1533
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:41,239
be the night I'm going to come in there and

1534
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,719
rip them belts off of him. This is a new me,

1535
01:07:44,039 --> 01:07:47,360
a new fight, and I have a job to do well.

1536
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:48,079
I was going to get to that.

1537
01:07:48,119 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 3: I mean, I thought, since you're doing the rematch, it

1538
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,960
made sense to at least have a brief conversation about

1539
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,199
the first fight. But as you mentioned, since then, you

1540
01:07:54,239 --> 01:07:58,079
have had three very significant victories. You beat the undefeated

1541
01:07:58,119 --> 01:08:00,800
all by knockout, by the way, the undefeated Gerald Big

1542
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:04,480
Baby Miller, the undefeated Philip Perginage to get the interim delt.

1543
01:08:05,199 --> 01:08:06,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, all of them.

1544
01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 5: Was that the boogie man they called him Hergovich, so yeah, and.

1545
01:08:11,719 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 2: Then of course Jos Joshua also.

1546
01:08:15,159 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1547
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 3: Were you at all discouraged though after you had the

1548
01:08:18,079 --> 01:08:20,239
loss against us, because it shouldn't seem like that the

1549
01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:22,079
way you fought those three guys I just mentioned.

1550
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:26,119
Speaker 5: No, I mean, I don't think I show my best

1551
01:08:26,119 --> 01:08:29,880
in the you thick fight, and you know, I'm a

1552
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:31,600
bro fight. I don't want to go out like that.

1553
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:33,920
So you know, I needed to show what you know,

1554
01:08:34,199 --> 01:08:36,760
what we worked on, you know what I've got in me,

1555
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:39,920
and you know, having to wright support around me, my dad,

1556
01:08:40,039 --> 01:08:43,079
my team, and you know, it was no question in

1557
01:08:43,119 --> 01:08:45,000
my mind that we had to come back again, and

1558
01:08:45,039 --> 01:08:45,439
we did that.

1559
01:08:46,399 --> 01:08:48,319
Speaker 3: What do you think, as you head into the rematch

1560
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:51,159
will be the biggest difference for you compared to the

1561
01:08:51,199 --> 01:08:52,720
way the first fight unfolded.

1562
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,359
Speaker 5: As I'm going to win, That's it simple. I'm going

1563
01:08:56,399 --> 01:08:59,800
to win. I'm going to win cleaning clinically with you know,

1564
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,800
you know fire works, you know, knockouts, that's all. I'm

1565
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:07,199
not going to be denied, whatever way it goes down,

1566
01:09:07,239 --> 01:09:08,159
I'm not going to be denied.

1567
01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 3: He has been a great champion in the cruiserweight division.

1568
01:09:12,079 --> 01:09:14,640
He became the undisputed heavyweight champion. He has three of

1569
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,640
the belts now the lineal title. But he's also thirty

1570
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,039
eight years old, and after the fight he had with you,

1571
01:09:20,119 --> 01:09:23,439
he's had two very difficult, the hard fought victories against

1572
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,600
Tyson Fury. How much do you think that those fights

1573
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:28,239
have taken out of USA physically?

1574
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,359
Speaker 5: Hello, you know those wars they always do. Any fight

1575
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:35,640
will tell you that. But in my fact, I'm going

1576
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:37,439
to drag out a little bit more of and whatever

1577
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:39,680
he's got left, I'm going to drag it out and

1578
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:42,640
then turn him what they whatever they want to call it,

1579
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:44,319
old or whatever they want to call it, but I'm

1580
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:46,159
going to drag it out of him and give him

1581
01:09:46,199 --> 01:09:46,760
a real fight.

1582
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 3: Well, I was going to say, you are on a

1583
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,520
great role. As we just discussed, You're twenty seven years old.

1584
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:55,159
You have an eleven age eleven year age advantage on

1585
01:09:55,199 --> 01:09:57,840
your on your behalf. How much do you think that

1586
01:09:58,159 --> 01:10:01,560
your level of freshness and age plays a role in

1587
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:03,399
what's gonna unfold on July nineteenth?

1588
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:04,560
Speaker 4: Massively?

1589
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:07,279
Speaker 5: Anyone will tell you, you know, you can feel good fit

1590
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:09,920
and then when you're training in the gym, but your

1591
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:11,880
for your eight year old man is still a for

1592
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,119
your eight year old man, and you can, you know,

1593
01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:18,319
you feel the I'll make him feel feel you know,

1594
01:10:18,399 --> 01:10:20,319
the all the injuries and all of that, whatever they

1595
01:10:20,359 --> 01:10:23,159
want to say, but we're gonna come out on top.

1596
01:10:23,319 --> 01:10:26,520
I'm young, I'm fresh, and I'm in my prime right now.

1597
01:10:27,399 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 3: So one of the things that people have felt that

1598
01:10:30,119 --> 01:10:32,840
is that there is a vulnerability with Doo sick is

1599
01:10:33,159 --> 01:10:35,479
the body shots. I mean, you believe that the body

1600
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:38,439
shot did the damage in the first fight. Obviously some

1601
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:40,319
people thought it was a low blow. But how much

1602
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:42,720
is the body attack do you think going to play

1603
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:44,600
a role for Daniel Dubois in the rematch?

1604
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:49,119
Speaker 5: Every attack really body head just put on him, put

1605
01:10:49,119 --> 01:10:51,720
on him I mean, as a real fighting man, I'll

1606
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:53,680
just say put on him. You know, we're gonna we've

1607
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:55,439
worked on in the gym what we need to do

1608
01:10:55,520 --> 01:11:00,600
and how we're going to execute it. But uh yeah,

1609
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,319
we've covered We're covering no thing. You know, we're not

1610
01:11:03,399 --> 01:11:05,920
long to go now, and I'm sure it's gonna be.

1611
01:11:06,239 --> 01:11:08,680
The world's gonna can't wait to see it. I'll can't

1612
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:09,479
wait to deliver it.

1613
01:11:10,319 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 3: When you fight him. The first time it was in Poland,

1614
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:13,439
it's sort of on his turf because it was the

1615
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:17,199
closest place they can populate fight by Ukraine. Now he's

1616
01:11:17,239 --> 01:11:19,680
coming to London to fighting your hometown. Now, he's been

1617
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:22,439
a man that's traveled his entire career. He's fought everybody

1618
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:24,760
in their hometowns. But for you, though, how much of

1619
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:26,760
a of a factors or for you instead of fighting

1620
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:28,640
in Poland, is gonna be for you to fight him

1621
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:29,000
in London.

1622
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's gonna be repeat as a AJ fight again,

1623
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:36,560
repeat the same you know, the same kind of crowd

1624
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:40,079
will be then, you know, we'll create the same atmosphere,

1625
01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:42,359
the same energy, and we'll just do what we have

1626
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:43,000
to do to win.

1627
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:46,159
Speaker 3: What would it mean to you, Daniel, to become the

1628
01:11:46,279 --> 01:11:49,279
undisputed champion, you have a title presently, there hasn't been

1629
01:11:49,279 --> 01:11:52,640
a British undisputed champ since Lennox Lewis in nineteen ninety nine.

1630
01:11:53,079 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 2: That would be a very historical accomplishment.

1631
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:59,039
Speaker 5: Massive, isn't it. That's going on in history books that

1632
01:11:59,079 --> 01:12:00,840
no one can take it away from you. You know,

1633
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:03,920
to win the world's undisputed world world title, it's a

1634
01:12:04,039 --> 01:12:09,000
huge thing. And also I get to Queen's exact my

1635
01:12:09,079 --> 01:12:11,560
revenge on him, So it's a lot, a lot of

1636
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:13,000
everything's on the line on this one.

1637
01:12:13,079 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 4: Everything's on the line, you know.

1638
01:12:16,039 --> 01:12:17,359
Speaker 3: That was actually one of the things I want to

1639
01:12:17,359 --> 01:12:19,199
ask you is in your mind, which is like the

1640
01:12:19,239 --> 01:12:22,520
bigger deal? Is it the revenge of the mono a

1641
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:26,159
mono or is it the history of becoming undisputed? That

1642
01:12:26,199 --> 01:12:27,840
would be more to you, That would mean more to.

1643
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:31,119
Speaker 5: You, all of it really, because now I'm a different

1644
01:12:31,119 --> 01:12:32,680
fighter from when I first fought and I had no

1645
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,800
real title belt. Me know, I was lacking up and comer,

1646
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:39,680
but I'm a world champion as well, and I feel

1647
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:42,880
like i'm i'm i'm I'm on the table now and

1648
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,319
I need to kick him off the table and take

1649
01:12:45,319 --> 01:12:47,199
all the belts.

1650
01:12:47,159 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 3: At twenty seven. Are you even in your prime yet?

1651
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,239
Speaker 4: Of course? I mean, of course I'm in my prime.

1652
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:54,399
This is.

1653
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 5: You know, when I'm fresh and and I'm arrested for

1654
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,159
them for the fight. You'll say that, but I'm in

1655
01:13:01,199 --> 01:13:01,560
my prime.

1656
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:03,039
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1657
01:13:03,239 --> 01:13:05,520
Speaker 3: I think about when you suffered the very difficult loss

1658
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,239
to Joe Joyce in twenty twenty. It was a major

1659
01:13:08,279 --> 01:13:11,239
injury with your orbit bone. Uh, suffered the first defeat.

1660
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:13,399
A lot of people wrote you off at that point,

1661
01:13:14,239 --> 01:13:16,520
at that moment, when you were at the low point.

1662
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:19,199
I guess after that loss, did you think about, like,

1663
01:13:19,279 --> 01:13:21,039
you know, I'm going to be back at the top,

1664
01:13:21,119 --> 01:13:22,960
not only at the top, but in one of the

1665
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,640
biggest fights in boxing, fighting for the undisputed heavyweight title.

1666
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:27,880
Or did that seem like it was a million years

1667
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:28,960
or a million miles away.

1668
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 5: Oh, there was no quitting me. I feel we're going

1669
01:13:32,039 --> 01:13:34,920
to come back. We're going to show everyone. Everyone has

1670
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,079
a lot to say when you're when you're down. So

1671
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:41,279
that just basiced me up to say, yeah, I'm glad

1672
01:13:41,159 --> 01:13:43,640
that happened. You know a lot, Joe, a lot, you

1673
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:46,880
know that experience Without that I wouldn't be why I'm today.

1674
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:50,880
So I think all of those those the pain maks

1675
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:51,880
you stronger.

1676
01:13:53,399 --> 01:13:55,600
Speaker 3: If you do become the undisputed heavyweight champion, as I

1677
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:58,119
know you're very confident that you will do. Is there

1678
01:13:58,119 --> 01:13:59,560
a dream fight for you? There is a lot of

1679
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:02,680
names heavyweight division. I don't know if that means potentially

1680
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:06,319
a rematch against Joshua Tyson Fury, your countryman has decided

1681
01:14:06,319 --> 01:14:10,079
to come out of retirement. Nobody's surprised there, Uh, that

1682
01:14:10,119 --> 01:14:11,399
would be a big fight. Al So, what do you

1683
01:14:11,399 --> 01:14:13,479
think about as far as like the biggest fight possible

1684
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:15,079
if you become the undisputed champ?

1685
01:14:18,119 --> 01:14:23,560
Speaker 4: Want get whoever wants it can get. That's my attitude.

1686
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:26,600
But how big would you fear want to fight? You know?

1687
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 5: Massive? Wouldn't it massive? That that would be? That would

1688
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:34,800
take over everything? You know that that's that's got a

1689
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:36,399
bit the top of it. And I know you've definitely

1690
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:41,119
come back for that. So yeah, boxing's in a We're

1691
01:14:41,159 --> 01:14:43,600
in a good place. We need to win on July

1692
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:45,600
Bashapousick and take them belts away.

1693
01:14:46,239 --> 01:14:48,239
Speaker 3: Fury says he is coming back. And the thing I

1694
01:14:48,279 --> 01:14:51,840
found interesting is that they're saying that he's going to

1695
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:54,600
be fighting Alexander Usik in April in his next fight,

1696
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,319
and I thought to myself, Yeah, I mean, how's that

1697
01:14:57,359 --> 01:14:59,840
going to be if if Usik doesn't be for me.

1698
01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 5: He he's trying to just stay away from me. I mean,

1699
01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:04,800
they already know I'm the Jinks, the guy that you

1700
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:07,640
know they don't want to fight because you know I'm not.

1701
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:11,079
I'm that guy, So you know they're trying to stay

1702
01:15:11,079 --> 01:15:12,840
away from me. And he's never called me to He's

1703
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:16,520
kind of a spa or whatever. But you know, everyone

1704
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:19,159
knows in the boxing mode what I'll bring to the table,

1705
01:15:19,239 --> 01:15:20,399
so I need to do it.

1706
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 4: Do it now.

1707
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 3: Well, I don't think i've ever heard Tyson Fury under

1708
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,520
the name Daniel Jubabi for I guess maybe maybe he

1709
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:29,479
will if you become underspeeded champ. If you do, I'll

1710
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:31,119
be a huge accomplishment. I wish you the best of

1711
01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:33,600
luck in your in your efforts, and I appreciate your

1712
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:34,279
time today, Daniel.

1713
01:15:34,279 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 2: Good luck to you.

1714
01:15:35,399 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 4: Thank you man.

1715
01:15:36,239 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 1: Fine, all right, again, that is a recent conversation. I

1716
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,079
always tee you up this way with this. How did

1717
01:15:43,119 --> 01:15:46,600
he look? Uh and correct me if I'm wrong? He

1718
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:48,920
has been locked in in training camp. Is he training

1719
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:51,960
somewhere else right now or was he training in England?

1720
01:15:52,239 --> 01:15:54,479
Like for example, when you talk to Berlanga, he said,

1721
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:57,520
I've been here in Boulder, Colorado training at altitude. So

1722
01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:59,279
you never know where these guys are. Is what about this?

1723
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:02,239
Speaker 3: I think I'm pretty sure Daniel was in the UK training,

1724
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:05,239
But when we spoke, you know, he was very very relaxed.

1725
01:16:05,279 --> 01:16:07,239
I mean, people will see the video when we eventually

1726
01:16:07,319 --> 01:16:09,279
do put it on the YouTube channel. He was like

1727
01:16:09,319 --> 01:16:11,479
sort of sitting outside and look like in front of

1728
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:14,159
his house or you know, wherever he was training, and

1729
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:17,840
you know, dress real casual, nice smile, just relax and

1730
01:16:18,239 --> 01:16:20,880
you know, Daniel's, you know, can be a pretty chill guy.

1731
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:24,079
He's very confident in this fight, you know. You know,

1732
01:16:24,119 --> 01:16:26,199
he knows that things did not go very well for

1733
01:16:26,279 --> 01:16:29,039
him in the first fight obviously, but as we discussed,

1734
01:16:29,079 --> 01:16:31,640
he's looked phenomenal and done a tremendous job in the

1735
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:33,800
three victories he's had since, So he should have every

1736
01:16:34,239 --> 01:16:39,399
every ounce of confidence. And I do expect whatever happens

1737
01:16:39,399 --> 01:16:41,199
when they when they do get in the ring on

1738
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:43,760
the nineteenth, that it's going to be I think a

1739
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:45,760
more competitive fight than the first time. I'm not going

1740
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:46,960
to sit here and tell you I think the d

1741
01:16:47,279 --> 01:16:49,840
was gonna, you know, suddenly become the underspeeded champion and win.

1742
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,479
But I think he's going to be in it, certainly

1743
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:54,000
more than in the first fight, because there's not a

1744
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,079
lot of ways, frankly that he can be worse than

1745
01:16:56,119 --> 01:16:58,840
in the first fight where he was undressed and knocked out.

1746
01:16:59,119 --> 01:16:59,359
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1747
01:16:59,399 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 1: Interesting that our colleague David Payne, who I actually spoke

1748
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:06,039
with yesterday, he's been pointing this out. British media has

1749
01:17:06,079 --> 01:17:09,239
been talking about it. Dubois since then, has the new

1750
01:17:09,319 --> 01:17:12,800
trainer since the loss to Usik, and he has looked

1751
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:17,560
like a different fighter against Herkovic and against Anthony Joshua.

1752
01:17:18,279 --> 01:17:23,359
How much different will he be to affect the outcomes

1753
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:25,199
on the front foot? Blah blah blah.

1754
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:28,319
Speaker 3: We saw we saw what Hamsu Shiraz look like with

1755
01:17:29,279 --> 01:17:31,159
his new trainer, Andy Lee for the first time, and

1756
01:17:31,239 --> 01:17:32,800
sometimes that can make a big difference.

1757
01:17:33,119 --> 01:17:34,079
Speaker 2: All right, so we'll see.

1758
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:38,840
Speaker 1: Okay, So that is again Saturday at Wimbley get I

1759
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,960
mean get ready for a loaded my god, Saturday July

1760
01:17:42,119 --> 01:17:45,640
nineteenth coming up. Speaking of that, you have already talked

1761
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,760
with Manny Pakiaw about his challenge now for the WBC

1762
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:52,640
Welterweight Championship. Pac Man comes out of a four year retirement.

1763
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:54,399
We've got plenty of time to go over there. You

1764
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:57,359
know where I stand about how farcical all of his

1765
01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:00,880
seems will see the guy on the other end, we

1766
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:04,359
seem to be forgetting it's actually the champion, Mario Barrios. Oh,

1767
01:18:04,399 --> 01:18:07,600
by the way, all right, so but Barrios, now he

1768
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:09,560
had a tough fight back in November, that was a

1769
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:12,720
draw to hold onto the belt. So now he fights

1770
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,279
the legend Paqial. We have to say it. The Hall

1771
01:18:15,319 --> 01:18:17,079
of Famer just went into the boxing Hall of Fame,

1772
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,640
and you spoke with Mario Barrios just recently as well.

1773
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:23,560
You want a role, you spoke with Barrios. Let's play

1774
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:26,079
that interview for the podcast audience. First time you're hearing

1775
01:18:26,119 --> 01:18:28,560
it anywhere is right here on the pod. Let's go

1776
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:29,000
to that now.

1777
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 3: Well, it is my pleasure to welcome to our podcast

1778
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,800
this week. It is a WBC Welterweight Champ of the World,

1779
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:35,600
Mario Barrios.

1780
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:36,600
Speaker 2: To Mario, I.

1781
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 3: Think it's fair to say you've got the biggest name

1782
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:40,600
of your career that you're going to be facing coming

1783
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:44,079
up in all headline the PBC on Prime Video pay

1784
01:18:44,119 --> 01:18:47,119
per view, also on PPV dot COM's July nineteenth at

1785
01:18:47,159 --> 01:18:50,399
the MGM Grand Arena MGM Grand Gardnering. I don't think

1786
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:52,359
I need to introduce your opponent, but I'll say his name.

1787
01:18:52,399 --> 01:18:55,560
It's the great legendary Manny Pacyow. You know that, So

1788
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:57,479
welcome to the show. I thank you for doing this,

1789
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:59,760
and I wanted to before we get into all this stuff.

1790
01:19:00,159 --> 01:19:03,159
Your fight with Manny, your last fight, your your title

1791
01:19:03,199 --> 01:19:05,199
defense that you made back in November, was such a

1792
01:19:05,199 --> 01:19:06,880
tremendous fight. I just wanted to touch in that for

1793
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:09,920
a minute. You took on Abo Ramos. It was a draw,

1794
01:19:10,319 --> 01:19:11,920
but a hell of a fight. A lot of people

1795
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:13,840
looked at that as a as a fight of the

1796
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:18,279
Year candidate. Uh, you know, you started off really really well.

1797
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:20,560
He came on really strong in the second half. Both

1798
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:22,600
of you guys were knocked down in that fight. It

1799
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:25,720
was on a massive card, on the undercard of Mike

1800
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:29,640
Tyson and Jake Paulin the rematch between Katie Taylor and

1801
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:33,279
Amana Serrano. How did you feel about your performance in

1802
01:19:33,279 --> 01:19:34,760
that fight, and he had gone back and watched it

1803
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:37,039
and been as excited as so many people were to

1804
01:19:37,119 --> 01:19:37,560
watch it.

1805
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:42,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, that was It was an excited night.

1806
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:45,640
Speaker 7: You know, it wasn't if I didn't go exactly you

1807
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:48,199
know how I want it. But you know that's that's

1808
01:19:48,279 --> 01:19:51,640
boxing regardless. You know what I prepared for, you know,

1809
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:54,479
a hard towelve rounds, and that's exactly.

1810
01:19:54,079 --> 01:19:55,399
Speaker 6: What I got out of it.

1811
01:19:56,399 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 7: But you know, I'm so I'm so really proud of

1812
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:01,079
everything else able to know, to to show that night

1813
01:20:02,079 --> 01:20:03,079
to everything.

1814
01:20:03,119 --> 01:20:04,520
Speaker 6: I guess we mean and and.

1815
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:06,199
Speaker 7: We're almost both, you know, we're able to you know,

1816
01:20:06,319 --> 01:20:08,840
give with boxing fans and just you know, fans in general,

1817
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:11,560
because that was a fight kind of reached it an

1818
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:16,199
audience much bigger than boxing. And uh but yeah, no,

1819
01:20:16,279 --> 01:20:16,680
I mean.

1820
01:20:18,079 --> 01:20:18,520
Speaker 1: I wasn't.

1821
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:20,720
Speaker 7: I mean as a fighter, you know, I wasn't too

1822
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:23,880
happy with my performance. But you know, it's one of

1823
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:27,840
those things where sometimes we step in there and you know, uh,

1824
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:30,399
and things are working and then from you know, one

1825
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:32,720
one round to to the next, you know, from one

1826
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:36,000
punch to the next, you know, things change and it's

1827
01:20:36,039 --> 01:20:37,119
just you know, our jobs as.

1828
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 6: Fighters, you know, to try to make those adjustments.

1829
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:41,800
Speaker 7: Uh, and I feel like, you know, even you know,

1830
01:20:42,239 --> 01:20:44,359
facing that adversity, you know, getting dropped.

1831
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:47,079
Speaker 6: I was, I was just doing.

1832
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 7: Another interview and I was talking about it. I was like, man,

1833
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:51,359
like those those middle rounds I kind of don't don't

1834
01:20:51,359 --> 01:20:54,239
really remember, and I yeah, and it's like for sure,

1835
01:20:54,279 --> 01:20:56,560
you know it's from getting dropped, you know, it's it's

1836
01:20:57,399 --> 01:20:59,920
it's hard to put into words.

1837
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 6: You know, trying to process, you know, one, getting.

1838
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:05,279
Speaker 7: Dropped, because I mean I was hurt, like like the

1839
01:21:05,319 --> 01:21:07,319
way I feel like the way my leg was stuck,

1840
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:09,960
like even getting up, I was out of it. And

1841
01:21:10,079 --> 01:21:12,439
then you know, trying to you know, still like you know, gather,

1842
01:21:13,039 --> 01:21:16,039
gather all your marbles, you know, still trying to make adjustments,

1843
01:21:16,039 --> 01:21:18,199
you know, to where you can come back to where

1844
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:20,840
I can make sure you know, I'm still you know,

1845
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,199
I'm still good, you know, still conscious of everything going on.

1846
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:28,239
Speaker 3: Well, both of you guys have always proclaimed yourselves to

1847
01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:30,439
be Mexican warriors, and that's what you show it in

1848
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:32,239
that fight. And it was just a great fight. I

1849
01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:34,159
didn't feel like it talked to you about the upcoming

1850
01:21:34,159 --> 01:21:36,239
fight without at least looking back a little bit on

1851
01:21:36,279 --> 01:21:39,439
that tremendous battle. So you didn't win, but you kept

1852
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:41,199
your title because you got the draw. And obviously that

1853
01:21:41,319 --> 01:21:43,560
was big in terms of helping you get this fight,

1854
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:45,720
because I don't think if you didn't have the WBC

1855
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:48,399
welterweight world title, you probably wouldn't be getting a fight

1856
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:51,119
with Manny Pacao. When you got the fight with Manny,

1857
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:53,680
it wasn't I guess it wasn't a shock to really

1858
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:55,680
anybody who was coming out of retirement. Once he didn't win,

1859
01:21:56,199 --> 01:21:59,760
uh the election for the for the Senate in the Philippines.

1860
01:22:00,079 --> 01:22:03,399
What was your reaction when you heard for sure I'm

1861
01:22:03,399 --> 01:22:05,039
gonna get a chance to fight Nanny Pacya.

1862
01:22:06,079 --> 01:22:09,239
Speaker 7: I was, I mean, I wasbviously, I was very excited,

1863
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:13,520
you know, just even I was very excited because I

1864
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:15,359
mean originally when I when I got word of the

1865
01:22:15,399 --> 01:22:19,039
fight against Pacyo, it was Litered right after the like

1866
01:22:19,119 --> 01:22:21,600
Romo's fight, and that's when I was like, Okay, you

1867
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:24,279
know he's interested. You know it's coming back at a retirement,

1868
01:22:24,399 --> 01:22:26,920
you know, twenty twenty five, you know, like what do.

1869
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:27,399
Speaker 6: You think about it?

1870
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:29,079
Speaker 7: And like me as a fighter, I'm just like man,

1871
01:22:29,119 --> 01:22:31,279
first of all, I'm like pak ya, like hold up?

1872
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:35,000
So I was, I was pretty taken away. And then

1873
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:36,319
you know, it was kind of just like you know,

1874
01:22:36,399 --> 01:22:38,760
like a waiting game, you know, and you know in boxing,

1875
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:41,880
you know most of the time, not anything is really

1876
01:22:42,319 --> 01:22:45,479
sentences stone, right, there's always you know, pieces that are

1877
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:46,560
moving around.

1878
01:22:46,319 --> 01:22:47,399
Speaker 2: Always always.

1879
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, so it was like something that was hard to believe,

1880
01:22:50,079 --> 01:22:53,159
especially with you know what, he had his election coming up.

1881
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:56,239
But when you know, he los, he lost his election,

1882
01:22:56,319 --> 01:22:58,560
that's when it became more I mean it was just

1883
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:01,000
like set in Stone was like okay, like this is happening.

1884
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:03,359
Speaker 6: So then it was like okay.

1885
01:23:03,079 --> 01:23:03,239
Speaker 2: Like.

1886
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 7: I mean I was men City, I was already prepared

1887
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:10,840
or preparing you know for you know a pacyall like that.

1888
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:12,720
Speaker 3: You heard rumors like if he comes out, I'm gonna

1889
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:13,720
be the guy he wants to fight.

1890
01:23:14,279 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, so that that was like what it was.

1891
01:23:17,279 --> 01:23:20,359
Speaker 7: And then when, yeah, when he lost his election, that's

1892
01:23:20,399 --> 01:23:22,520
when it was like okay, like no, like we're gonna

1893
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:25,720
you know, finalize everything, and this is like this is

1894
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:27,279
you know, this is gonna get moving.

1895
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:28,600
Speaker 6: So I was like, oh okay, nice.

1896
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:30,600
Speaker 7: Well it was like I've already been you know medsic

1897
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:32,720
preparing for it now, I you know, I could like

1898
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:34,439
actually start camp.

1899
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,159
Speaker 3: So when I say to you that you were born

1900
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:39,119
and I looked this up before we got on there,

1901
01:23:39,159 --> 01:23:43,079
You're born in May nineteen ninety five, Many pak Yao

1902
01:23:44,359 --> 01:23:50,079
turned pro four months before you you were born. So

1903
01:23:50,119 --> 01:23:51,920
when I tell you that you weren't even born and

1904
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:54,600
he was already boxing as a professional. What is What

1905
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:55,720
do you think when I say that?

1906
01:23:56,479 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 7: It's yeah, no, it's it's crazy to see you to

1907
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:03,399
be able to say that right that the guy I'm

1908
01:24:03,399 --> 01:24:08,640
fighting has been boxing professionally as long as I've been alive.

1909
01:24:09,039 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean took off the last four years from

1910
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:13,119
the ring obviously because he was in return. But even still,

1911
01:24:13,279 --> 01:24:15,000
when I saw that, I was sort of blown away.

1912
01:24:16,239 --> 01:24:18,239
Were you I mean, as a as a young guy

1913
01:24:18,279 --> 01:24:20,760
growing up, I assume watching boxing at some point before

1914
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:23,199
you became a professional, and he's on his way having

1915
01:24:23,199 --> 01:24:25,520
these major fights. Even when you were young pro, he

1916
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:27,960
was involved in some mega fights. Were you a many

1917
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:31,000
Pacio fan? Were you watching his fights or maybe going

1918
01:24:31,039 --> 01:24:32,199
to his fights that type of thing.

1919
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:34,319
Speaker 6: I was.

1920
01:24:35,239 --> 01:24:37,640
Speaker 7: I was a fan, but I can't say, you know,

1921
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:42,399
I was the biggest fan, like I've been seeing everybody there.

1922
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:45,319
There have been plenty of podcast fights or I have

1923
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:48,039
rooted for him, and there has been plenty of fights,

1924
01:24:48,079 --> 01:24:49,800
you know where I've gone against him.

1925
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 6: Especially as a kid. I grew up a very prideful

1926
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:55,560
Mexican kid.

1927
01:24:55,840 --> 01:25:00,640
Speaker 3: So well, yeah, they called him the mex Secutioner for

1928
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:01,920
a while he was beating all the Mexicans.

1929
01:25:02,119 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1930
01:25:03,199 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 7: So yeah, anytime he thought a Mexican fighter, I was

1931
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:09,560
going against him. And but there's also, like I said, man,

1932
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:13,920
there's been plenty where I have rooted for him. Yeah,

1933
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:15,760
but yeah, you know, like he was just you know,

1934
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:19,720
that name from as early as I can reremember when

1935
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:21,920
I thought about the sport of boxing. You know, he

1936
01:25:22,199 --> 01:25:24,079
was a name that was that was there.

1937
01:25:25,319 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 3: So you're thirty years old, I think you're probably in

1938
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:29,920
the prime of your career. You're making your second title

1939
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:33,399
defense against Manny. He is, as we've discussed, he's older.

1940
01:25:33,399 --> 01:25:35,439
He's forty six years old, he's been in retirement for

1941
01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:37,680
four years. He's coming off of a loss, and when

1942
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:40,239
he announced he was coming back, the WBC made him

1943
01:25:40,319 --> 01:25:44,399
number five in their welterweight rankings. They have proved him

1944
01:25:44,399 --> 01:25:46,720
to have this title shot against you for your title,

1945
01:25:47,119 --> 01:25:49,079
and that's been criticized by a lot of people. It's

1946
01:25:49,079 --> 01:25:51,199
certainly not his fault, it's not your fault. But I

1947
01:25:51,239 --> 01:25:54,520
just wonder when you hear people say, well, you know,

1948
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:56,600
Manny was a great fighter, but he certainly shouldn't be

1949
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:58,760
raided by the WBC off the layoff at a loss,

1950
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:00,720
and he sure sectionuld begin that chance to fight for

1951
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:03,520
the world title. But what's your viewpoint about that? Where

1952
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:04,520
where do you stand on all that?

1953
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:08,520
Speaker 7: I think podcast just you know, one of those like

1954
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:15,359
I think like rare instances where yeah, somebody who you

1955
01:26:15,399 --> 01:26:18,079
know has accomplished as much as he as he has,

1956
01:26:18,119 --> 01:26:20,239
you know, like they they're able, you know, to come

1957
01:26:20,239 --> 01:26:22,800
out of retirement and you know and still be you know,

1958
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:25,159
like ranked as high as they are, and you know

1959
01:26:25,199 --> 01:26:27,640
and still you know, get those get those those type

1960
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:30,560
of fights, you know, at that level.

1961
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean I don't really have you understand it, though,

1962
01:26:35,239 --> 01:26:36,600
Yeah I do.

1963
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:37,399
Speaker 2: That's fair.

1964
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:40,279
Speaker 3: Uh, Now, you know, he may not be what he

1965
01:26:40,359 --> 01:26:41,880
was when he was at his best, when he was

1966
01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:44,720
you know, cruising through everybody as we were talking about,

1967
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:47,720
being all the Mexican fighters for example, and winning titles

1968
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:50,000
in so many different way classes through the years, big

1969
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:53,319
big pay per view fights, but even even a manny

1970
01:26:53,399 --> 01:26:56,199
that's not in his prime obviously and it's in the

1971
01:26:56,279 --> 01:26:59,199
end of his career. What would a victory against such

1972
01:26:59,199 --> 01:27:00,439
a legendary name mean to you?

1973
01:27:02,119 --> 01:27:05,359
Speaker 7: A victory against you know, legendary you know, pak yao,

1974
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:09,199
it means everything right now, I know in order, you know,

1975
01:27:09,319 --> 01:27:12,199
I mean for me to you know, continue pursuing and

1976
01:27:12,279 --> 01:27:15,000
accomplishing everything, you know, I want to in the what'sweay division,

1977
01:27:15,039 --> 01:27:18,319
you know overall, which is you know, unifying the titles,

1978
01:27:18,359 --> 01:27:21,159
you know, fighting the other champions. I know right now

1979
01:27:21,159 --> 01:27:23,800
the whatswey division is kind of moving around a lot,

1980
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:29,159
especially since Boots has announced he was moving up. Yeah,

1981
01:27:29,239 --> 01:27:31,520
you know, A win against Pakia, you know, just continues

1982
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:34,880
to put you know, to put me in in all

1983
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,239
of those places, you know, to continue to move forward

1984
01:27:37,279 --> 01:27:40,720
and uh, you know, to capture you know, those other

1985
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,720
titles and just bringing bringing those you know, big exciting

1986
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:45,640
fights you know to the sport or boxing.

1987
01:27:46,319 --> 01:27:48,520
Speaker 3: The one thing that I find interesting about the matchup,

1988
01:27:49,039 --> 01:27:50,960
whether he's older or younger or whatever it is, but

1989
01:27:51,039 --> 01:27:54,199
just the physical dimensions that both of you are, you know,

1990
01:27:54,239 --> 01:27:56,520
maybe obviously started in the smaller weight class, and he's

1991
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:58,920
never been uh in the you know, the biggest guy

1992
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,199
in the wealthyweight division, even though yeah, nasive success in

1993
01:28:01,239 --> 01:28:03,119
the weight class now that he's a bit older. Though,

1994
01:28:03,119 --> 01:28:05,199
I look at Mario Barrios, I say, you're, you know,

1995
01:28:05,279 --> 01:28:07,800
a younger guy, obviously by a lot by sixteen years,

1996
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:11,479
but you're you're six foot tall. Uh, he's five foot five.

1997
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:13,479
You know, he's much shorter than you, have a longer

1998
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:16,039
reach than he does. I just from a physical standpoint,

1999
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:18,680
how do you do you plan to just make that

2000
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:21,119
a big part of your game plan, to use your

2001
01:28:21,119 --> 01:28:24,920
physical presence compared to his to help you get the victory.

2002
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:29,159
Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely, you know, just using you know, any advantage

2003
01:28:29,199 --> 01:28:31,640
that I have, you know, especially you know just naturally

2004
01:28:32,159 --> 01:28:36,159
height reach, you know, my age, my youth, my job

2005
01:28:36,239 --> 01:28:38,199
you know, to as of right now, you know, go

2006
01:28:38,239 --> 01:28:41,960
into the fight, you know, use all of those advantages,

2007
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:43,880
you know, to try to make him feel you know,

2008
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:47,840
forty six, to try to really just you know, assert

2009
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:51,079
my dominance and yeah, I mean overall, just show you

2010
01:28:51,119 --> 01:28:53,680
know why I'm also you know, aside from all of

2011
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:56,279
the you know, the physical advantages you know show why

2012
01:28:56,359 --> 01:29:00,000
you know I'm I'm holding the WBC right now.

2013
01:29:01,119 --> 01:29:02,920
Speaker 3: I think about a lot of fights where you get

2014
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:06,119
to this point where you got a great older champion

2015
01:29:06,279 --> 01:29:10,119
or top level name superstar. I think Muhammad Ali against

2016
01:29:10,159 --> 01:29:13,000
Trevor Berbick, an older fighter taking on the younger guy.

2017
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:15,520
It feels like you're in a similar kind of position.

2018
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:17,479
You're a young guy still trying to make big name,

2019
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:20,880
big money. He's had his day, he's older, he's coming

2020
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:23,119
out of this long retirement, and a lot of people think,

2021
01:29:23,119 --> 01:29:25,079
you know, because of that, you might put a beating

2022
01:29:25,079 --> 01:29:26,159
on him, and a lot of people are going to

2023
01:29:26,239 --> 01:29:28,279
be sad if you know they send I mean the

2024
01:29:28,279 --> 01:29:31,760
old saying Mario and boxing, they don't throw your retirement party, they.

2025
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 2: Give you a beating, you know what I mean.

2026
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:36,000
Speaker 3: Did you feel like that this fight might shape up

2027
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:38,319
like that where you just go in there and all

2028
01:29:38,399 --> 01:29:40,840
due respect to the great many pack out, but you

2029
01:29:41,079 --> 01:29:42,520
just treat him like a punching bag.

2030
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, I mean sadly, Yeah, you know that's

2031
01:29:47,039 --> 01:29:50,239
that's boxing, right, I know, I mean, I know packyo

2032
01:29:50,239 --> 01:29:53,840
also right, he understands very well, you know the way

2033
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:58,840
things work in the sport. But yeah, you know, I

2034
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,479
think getting asked that right if I'm if I'm afraid

2035
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:06,800
to be the bad guy, and I'm not. Again, I

2036
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:09,439
know it's a business right as right now and everything

2037
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:12,840
smiles everything, you know, it's good between us and uh,

2038
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:16,760
but I know, given the right we step into the

2039
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:18,920
fight and if at any point podcast sees you know,

2040
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:22,399
he has me hurt, right, like that killer instinct is there,

2041
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:24,319
Like that's not going nowhere.

2042
01:30:24,399 --> 01:30:27,399
Speaker 6: So it's like it's just it's just business.

2043
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:28,720
Speaker 2: But you have no qualms.

2044
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:30,079
Speaker 3: If you can't get the old man out of there,

2045
01:30:30,079 --> 01:30:31,439
You're just gonna go out there and try to get

2046
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:32,039
him out of there.

2047
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:34,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, depending point I see him, like, I see,

2048
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:37,640
I haven't hurt, Like it's just like man like sorry,

2049
01:30:38,359 --> 01:30:39,560
you know, like.

2050
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:41,079
Speaker 6: Not sorry, Yeah, I'm sorry.

2051
01:30:41,079 --> 01:30:42,640
Speaker 7: You know, I'm still gonna tip my hat to you,

2052
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:45,159
but I'm I'm gonna take care of business.

2053
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:47,920
Speaker 3: You guys have had too common opponents and or Dennis

2054
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:49,800
Hugas and Keith Thurman.

2055
01:30:50,279 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 4: Uh.

2056
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:52,359
Speaker 2: I wonder if you feel like the way.

2057
01:30:52,159 --> 01:30:54,279
Speaker 3: That those fights went, because they both played out differently

2058
01:30:54,359 --> 01:30:56,600
with both of you guys, is there any bearing whatsoever

2059
01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:57,560
do you take anything from that?

2060
01:30:57,600 --> 01:30:59,039
Speaker 2: You look at either of those bouts.

2061
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:02,680
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, you know, I try to just as the

2062
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:04,640
as a boxer. You go back and look at those

2063
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:08,920
you know, See it's funny the way like like like

2064
01:31:09,119 --> 01:31:12,279
styles work sometimes, right because again, like with Ugas, I

2065
01:31:12,319 --> 01:31:16,159
feel like I outclassed Ugas. I feel like Ugas outclass Pakia.

2066
01:31:16,359 --> 01:31:19,119
But when I found Thurman, I feel like Thurman outclassed me.

2067
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:22,920
And you know I feel like Pakaya Derman.

2068
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:26,359
Speaker 2: Is it a wash?

2069
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:29,479
Speaker 7: Yeah, So it's kind of it's it's it's interesting, but

2070
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:31,239
you know, like it's just my job, you know too,

2071
01:31:32,159 --> 01:31:33,880
to go back and look at both of those flights.

2072
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:36,279
You know, see what Take what you know I did

2073
01:31:36,399 --> 01:31:38,840
right in those flights, Take what you know I could

2074
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:41,239
have done differently, and then see how like pak Ya,

2075
01:31:41,319 --> 01:31:44,319
you know, like how his style, you know where he

2076
01:31:44,359 --> 01:31:47,600
found success and where you know he made mistakes. So

2077
01:31:48,399 --> 01:31:50,640
those have been fights that you know, me and my

2078
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:53,239
team have you know, looked over, you know, in camp

2079
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:57,279
and are very mindful of, you know, especially in these

2080
01:31:57,439 --> 01:31:59,920
last two weeks until the fight.

2081
01:32:01,119 --> 01:32:02,880
Speaker 3: All right, well, Mario, I wish you the best of

2082
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:04,479
luck in the fight. I know it's a big moment

2083
01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:06,800
for you defending your title. Against a legend like Manny Paco.

2084
01:32:07,039 --> 01:32:08,199
So I wish you the best of luck.

2085
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:09,840
Speaker 6: Aweso DT, I appreciate that.

2086
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:13,199
Speaker 1: All right, same question that I just asked a little

2087
01:32:13,239 --> 01:32:16,159
while ago about seeing Daniel Dubois when you talk to him,

2088
01:32:16,239 --> 01:32:20,079
you saw Mario Barrios and okay, let's pick it up

2089
01:32:20,119 --> 01:32:25,439
on is he being like completely forgotten, forget disrespective, completely forgotten. Oh,

2090
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:27,520
by the way, the guy that's fighting many Pacio has

2091
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:29,840
the title, what about it now to put around?

2092
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:32,520
Speaker 3: I don't think my impression from Mario is that he

2093
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:34,720
doesn't really care about that. He's just concerned about going

2094
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:36,880
in there and winning and looking as good as he

2095
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:40,279
can and furthering his career because he knows. We talked

2096
01:32:40,319 --> 01:32:43,119
about if people can hear what was said that whether

2097
01:32:43,159 --> 01:32:45,880
he's fighting a forty six year old Manipacyo or whoever

2098
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:48,319
whatever version of many Paco, if you get the name

2099
01:32:48,359 --> 01:32:51,640
many Pacio on your resume and you beat him, that

2100
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:53,279
that is going to resonate with a lot of people,

2101
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and people will suddenly know your name more than they

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do prior to your victory if you get it against

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Manny Pacyo. So he's excited for fight, without question, he

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has a huge amount of respect for pak Ya, but

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also they all know it's business. They've tdaated him to Look,

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Manny's been a professional boxer for almost twenty five years.

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I've covered a zillion you know, I don't know, twenty

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five or something, many pacyat fights something like that. I've never,

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like ever one time heard him say bad things about

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his opponent. That's just not his nature. And so Mario

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is a pretty chill guy. He's not looking at trash talk.

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So they have a ton of respect for each other.

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But when they when they get in the ring, they're

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there to do their job. I mean, Nanny is a

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is a seasoned veteran, obviously a Hall of famer, and

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Mario is still, you know, trying to make a big

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name for himself. He's got some accomplishment, He's got this title,

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and he's been in the ring with good, good opponents

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over the last several years. And so we're gonna see

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if he can take care of business against an older fighter.

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And now again, if he beats him, you know, it

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doesn't mean what it would have meant if he did

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it ten years ago. But still, I mean it's still

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you know, like I'll give you an example, like when

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Trevor burberk beat Myhama. It was an older in decline badly,

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you know, fadd Muhammed Ali. But Trevor Burber became a

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very well known boxer because he retired Muhammad Ali and.

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Speaker 2: Ything like that.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep, it's a good point. Okay, So again you

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will be headed out to Vegas, god willing. We've had

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a couple of people joking about that, I think in

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our in our chat on Saturday night, the Clark County

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authorities have been notified. You will be there without me.

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I can't supervise you. I'm not there. You will be

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out there.

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Speaker 3: Say that about the Clark County authorities. I don't need supervision.

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I'm the most chill guy in the world in Vegas.

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I don't party.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we had to notify And when both of.

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Speaker 3: Us were there, I don't gamble. Might work in the

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press room and do my interviews and mind my business.

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Speaker 1: Uh so you'll be mining your business there later this week.

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So we say to this podcast audience, hang in there,

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because uh we're gonna We're gonna obviously have the preview

2145
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pod later on in the week. We're also gonna have

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video content on the YouTube channel, uh as well, uh

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from out there. By the way, on the YouTube channel,

2148
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we are going to put up We've got all of

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these interviews. You've got the Pacquiao interview up Jesse bam Roderiguez,

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who you've talked to. He's defending he's going for the

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unification with Kafu at Junior banhamweite. We're going to put

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01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:16,600
that interview up. We're going to put the interviews you

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01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:20,039
just heard with Daniel Dubois and with Mario Barrios up,

2154
01:35:20,079 --> 01:35:22,520
So go to the YouTube page and see those interviews

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as well. But you are headed out to Vegas later

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01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:27,880
in the week for the pac man returns right as

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we as we wind it down here on this podcast.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I wasn't about to not go to

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this particular fight. I've covered so many many Pacio fights.

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I thought it was my last time when I was

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there for the Ugas fight four years ago. And now

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he's back in the action, and for better for worse,

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I'm going to see And by the way, even if

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the people that don't like the fact that Manny is

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coming out of a four year retirement to take on

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a much younger man and fight for a title. A

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lot of people they feel like it's unfair that he's

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getting the opportunity after having been retired and coming up

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of a loss, and I understand all that, but the

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undercard is good because he got the rematch. Me and

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Sebastian Fandor and up. Their first fight was freaking great,

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01:36:04,119 --> 01:36:06,239
so they're doing it. In the co feature, he got

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Ista Cruz against against Angel Friiro, who earlier this year

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put on a legit fight of the ear candidate and

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their absolute slog fest.

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Speaker 2: They're in a rematch.

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Speaker 3: On the undercard, got another solid matchup be in the

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featherweight division between Brandon Figueroa, who's a two division world

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champion against Joet Gonzalez, who may have lost in the

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times three times he's fought for a featherweight world title,

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but never left anybody like disappointed because he wasn't there

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to bang it out with the opponent. So from that perspective,

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it's all good. And then even on the non pay

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per view portion, in terms of the prelims, you got,

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you know, Mark mccio was always in solid fights. Former

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featherweight champion Gary Russell junior, former featherweight champ who actually

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01:36:43,119 --> 01:36:45,640
lost his title two mex Sile. He's back after like

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a three year plus layoff, and there's there's all kinds

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of stuff going on. So yep, for me, it's worth

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01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:53,159
it to go out there and be around.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. And by the way, they need to be engaged

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on your Fight Freaks Unit, substack and newsletter. I know

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01:36:59,159 --> 01:37:01,039
you've been writing the recap apps off the weekend. You're

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gonna have a bunch of preview material, probably some pac

2195
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:08,479
Man memorabilia and nuggets will be put up on the

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substack and your social media. We love all of that

2197
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great stuff. What a busy weekend. Can I officially now

2198
01:37:16,079 --> 01:37:18,560
get to like Sunday night Monday and you and I

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don't have to do a show and don't have to

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talk to each other. I think this is like five

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days in a row, you know, But you know what,

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I say that jokingly because we do enjoy doing this. Obviously,

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01:37:27,159 --> 01:37:28,960
you and I enjoy doing it. This is five straight

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01:37:29,039 --> 01:37:32,439
days that we have done content on boxing, on our

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01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:34,279
podcast feed, on our YouTube channel.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at it like this. If I didn't like

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01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:39,600
doing it, I wouldn't do it. I don't need to

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do it. It's cool. I mean, if we can make

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a little money besides that, that's obviously a great thing too.

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So I'm not going to turn my nose up at that.

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Speaker 1: But and breaking here or listen, We've got an overwhelming

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01:37:51,399 --> 01:37:54,119
response with people loving what we what we have on

2213
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:58,399
the YouTube page, the interviews, the podcast feed. Help us out.

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01:37:58,479 --> 01:38:00,840
Make sure you're following in subscribe being on the pod

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01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:03,520
feed right here, Apple Spreaker, Spotify, but go to that

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01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:06,640
YouTube page. Make sure you hit subscribe for us. That

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01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:10,680
helps us make sure you are also engaged. Hit the

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01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:13,680
bell where you get a notification that suddenly, hey, we're

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01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:16,760
going live, as we did two times this weekend, after

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01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:20,079
the Taylor went Over Serrano and after the shiraz Ko

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01:38:20,159 --> 01:38:22,960
of Berlanga, both in New York this weekend, we went

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live after both shows.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think we're gonna be able to handle

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01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:30,119
the live right after PAK because of the logistics of

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the night.

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Speaker 1: We'll figure out what we're doing, what we're doing for Saturday,

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because again the Dubois Usic main event will be overlapping

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the beginning of the Paqui al Barrios stuff, and then

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we also have the Bam Rodriguez unification title fight at

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the Star in Frisco, Texas going on Saturday night while

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01:38:52,319 --> 01:38:55,079
the Pacqui al Barrio's review is going on.

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Speaker 3: For the confident, I will I won't see I won't

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see BAM's fight.

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Speaker 1: Which cons to talk about.

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Speaker 2: But here's the will see that Sunday. Probably.

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Speaker 1: Here is the bottom line. If they stay engaged on

2237
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the podcast feed and on the YouTube channel, they're going

2238
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to get all kinds of reaction to all of this

2239
01:39:08,119 --> 01:39:11,920
whenever it happens. So the preview pod will go into

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play the YouTube page, you'll have a preview on it,

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and then we'll figure out the recap and kind of

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01:39:17,279 --> 01:39:19,800
go from there. This is what we do, all right.

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I believe we are all good for this weekend with

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all of the recaps here on this Sunday. Enjoy the

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01:39:26,359 --> 01:39:29,439
rest of your Sunday in the Monday, and then get

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01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:31,359
ready to go out to Las Vegas, Dan Rafiel. Why

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don't you all else? Is good?

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, all right, and I am merely TJ.

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Speaker 1: Reeves. We thank you for finding us again. Engage with

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the YouTube page. I say one more time to see

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01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:44,600
the video portion of the interviews that you're hearing on

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01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:46,760
the pod if you want to relive it and watch

2253
01:39:47,079 --> 01:39:51,079
Daniel Dubois, Mario Barrios, Bam Rodriguez as well as Manny Pakia,

2254
01:39:51,199 --> 01:39:53,760
all recently with Dan. They'll be up on the YouTube

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page as the week gets underway. Here and we thank

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you for finding us on the Fight Freaks Few Nights

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