Speaker 1: All right. Off of a very busy weekend that has
seen Katie Taylor win the Trilogy three for three against
Amanda Serrano, We're ready to talk about that and the
most valuable promotions card at Madison Square Garden, the All
Ladies Championship card that was capped by Taylor's win. We
are also ready to talk about Hamza Boom Goes the
Dynamite shiraz Ko of Edgar Berlanga that headline on Saturday
Night The Ring Magazine to his own pay per view.
Also Shakur Stevenson in the co main event the Cooe Feature,
gets a unanimous decision win over Williams ofpaida very impressive
We're ready to recap that entire card. It is the
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How you feeling as we wrap up the weekend.
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Speaker 2: Get all of that?
Speaker 1: Did I get all of that straight? I think I
think we got all of that straight? Boss, No, we
have we have both, all right, So let's do this.
I'm gonna set it up this way. You and I
again went over things on Friday night, as Katie Taylor
was very impressive once again winning the key final couple
of rounds, especially with Amanda Sarah know you and I
recapped that on the YouTube page. The Fight Freak two
Night Recap, Part one live was Friday night. Let's go
back and relive you and I talking about that fight.
Alicia Baumgardner's winning the undercard all the undercard fights. You're
gonna hear that right now here on the pod. What
are your thoughts? Close decision? Did you agree with Katie
Taylor victorious for a third time, retaining this time the
undisputed women's junior welterweight titles as she did at Madison
Square Garden.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 3: I thought that it was a very very close fight.
If you followed along with my round by round tweeting
about each round, I thought literally all ten rounds were close.
There was only maybe a couple of rounds where I
thought were like clear, but even though they were clear,
they weren't dominant. It was just that was very obvious
to me based on the slow pace that one of
the women won and the other one didn't. But that
was only maybe I don't know TJ two or three
rounds in the whole fight. Yes, But in the end
I had the fight ninety six to ninety five in
favor of Katie Taylor. And the reason why I had
it ninety six to ninety five instead of ninety six
to ninety four or ninety five to ninety five was
because round one and I scored like two even rounds
A year if that I mean, I don't I like
make a decision. You can make a decision when nothing
happened at the standpoint of landed punches.
Speaker 2: I didn't. I don't know who had the edge.
Speaker 3: I heard after the round, after I had put my
score up, they said that in the first round a
total of three punches landed. I didn't see them. I
don't think they were particularly Maybe it.
Speaker 4: Was a jab.
Speaker 3: I don't know how that was. Was three to nothing
or two to one or whatever whoever was more than
the other. But to me, round one is like judging
score one oh one of a ten to ten round.
Why you would score a ten to ten rounds. So
that's why I had it like I did. And then
they were kind of back and forth. You know, Toronto
had some solid rounds relative in the say, the middle
of the fight. Katie closed it out nice because the
wounds that were to me anyway, where I thought she
won I won't say decisively, but where I didn't have
a problem marking her down on my scorecard, certainly the
ninth and the tenth rounds. And so she closed it
out a little bit better. You know, copybox we talked
about they landed apparently the exact same number of punches,
although Katie threw fewer punches. But the point is super
close fight and not to bury the lead and not
in any way disrespectful to either of these great championship
level fighters. That was not a great fight at all.
I mean, correct the broadcasters and I get it's their product.
They're trying to make it sound good. They made it
sound like it was like an all time class Again, frankly,
that was not. That was a paltry imitation of the
first two fights. It wasn't even in imitation of the
first two fights. And don't get me wrong, I don't
expect them to go in there well absolutely destroy each
other again.
Speaker 2: But that was not a good fight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was not nearly as entertaining, not nearly as
much volume of punches. Did I jinx it again? Because
I said for two days in our preview, on the
podcast and on our bet Us show that we did
on Friday, that we're expecting another barn Burner. We would
be shocked if it's not a barn Burner. So that
leads me to my next question here. Clearly there was
a tactical change by Amanda Serrano. She fought differently, she
said after the fight she fought, I'll paraphrase at distance,
she was not fighting as recklessly kind of rock'm sock
them robots. Did that tactical change backfire? Since she did
not get the decision here, what do you think about
the tactical change and how much did it cost her?
Speaker 3: Well, she said exactly the point. She says, I tried
to fight it out the first two fights. It didn't work.
So we tried to change it up and fight a
more intelligent and more tactical fight from a distance, and
it was successful from the standpoint that it was another
close fight. You know, the ninety seven to ninety three
makes it look like it wasn't all that close, but
it really was a close fight if you go round
by round. And so if it didn't work for to
slug it out in the first two fights, and it
didn't work for a box at a distance, you know,
it just means that Katie, when you match them up
style for style, that she's the better fighter. Even though
you could argue that she should have won at least
one of the fights, maybe two of the fights, and
you could argue maybe she won all three fights, but
you know, Katie Taylor. She also made the point that
she she wanted to box more intelligently in this fight also,
and I also have to believe maybe they won't say it,
but in the back of their mind, they know that
they put through each other through absolute fucking hell. Yes,
for twenty previous rounds, and at this stage of their careers.
You know, I'm not This is not insulting, but I
just think subconstantly like they must think themselves. Do I
want to put myself through that again? They've already done
it twice, and by the way, twice against each other.
Speaker 2: That's not even. And whether and hold on, hold on.
Speaker 3: That's not even to mention all the other brutal fights
they put each other.
Speaker 1: Right, No, I get your opponents, I get you, But
how much At the other point is whether you wanted
to or not? How much did the November fight again
take out of both of them? When Taylor is thirty nine,
Serrano is thirty six, they're not in their early twenties
their mid twenties. I don't know if if either of
them is capable of fighting at the level and at
the high volume and the brutality that we saw in
their first two fights. Maybe it just took it out
of them. Whether they wanted it to be that way
or not.
Speaker 3: I don't know about that. I think they could if
they had to, if they wanted to.
Speaker 4: Don't know.
Speaker 1: Neither one of them looked particularly quick or sharp throughout
the night. Clearly Serrano fought more cautiously. There was not
near the volume of punches in any round like the
other rounds. I just wonder if we're nearing the end
for both of them, and it took two out of
them last November.
Speaker 3: Yeah, two things can be true at the same time.
They are nearing the end, that's obvious. They'll admit that,
but that doesn't mean they are not still capable of
doing that. I think they fought purposely at a measured pace,
not because they were unable to pull the trigger, because
certainly on the few occasions where they did get into
an exchange, they were both fire and shots that just
the exchanges were very few and far between, And I
thought actually that Serrano she had much quicker hands in
my mind than Katie. But the thing is it was
very similar to the other fights with less contact. Is
that Seranto when she did come forward, Katie is so
brilliant when she comes off the ropes and throws a
countershot that dad is gonna gonna catch the judge's eyes
because they're easy to see those kind of punches. I
actually thought when it was over, even though I had
Katie winning, I thought, because Amanda had thrown so many
more punches, even though I didn't think, she connected with
you know, a lot more and as a turnout, according
to the stats anyway, they were even Typically, if all
things are equal, you know, the person that's the heavier
volume puncher is usually going to get the edge in
the rounds. But in this particular case, she didn't. But
you know, she's got nothing to be ashamed of Serrano.
I mean, she's on a first ballot Hall of Famer.
She's still got all the accolades and things she's accomplishing.
Still the only female boxer to win world championships and
seven weight classes, and she's still the featherweight world champion.
Just that sometimes you know somebody has your number, and
that's apparently that's the case at Katie Taylor, and I
thought it was brilliant when you know, I think Ariel Hawani,
who was doing the post fight interviews, sort of Joe
kingly asked about a fourth fight, because they had been
saying all along they didn't want to have a fourth fight,
and she's like, no, forget it, We're done.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, if you're Katie Taylor, what more do you have
to do? You've got your hand raised all three times,
You've gotten paid humongously. So there you go on that again.
We're live here on YouTube tonight in the Friday night
aftermath of Katie Taylor once again winning by decision and
give her credit coming all the way to the United
States three times as an Irish fighter and gets the
decision in New York the first time, in Texas, the
second time, in New York again the third time, and
the two judges that scored it for her essentially scored
at seven to three. Tonight, I thought she won the
tenth and final round that either fight er had to win,
But it turns out Katie Taylor didn't have to win
the tenth round because she was up comfortably on two
of the cards by at least a couple of points,
and so she put things away. Now, why don't we
do this.
Speaker 4: Quick?
Speaker 3: Things coming over from the UK? Yeah, I don't really
share it from Ireland. That's not to me's not really relevant.
I say that because both of them, between the Irish
community and the perto Rican community, both had a massive support.
And Katie also has fought in the United States several
times in her career. She's fought in New York moment,
you know, the lasta you know, several times. And on
top of that, she spends the bulk of her time
now and hear you.
Speaker 2: On all of that.
Speaker 1: Did Amanda Serrano fight Katie Taylor in the UK or
Ireland any of the three fights? No, she did not.
Speaker 2: Katie, if the money was there, she probably would.
Speaker 1: We were not talking about what ifs. We're talking about
what happened. Katie Taylor came to the United States and
won three decisions, and I didn't agree with the second decision,
but I give her credit for that, especially tonight when
everything was set into motion back at the Garden Home
away from Home for Serrano and Tyler.
Speaker 3: I still boggles my mind that and I go back
to our Friday debt us show earlier in the day,
blew my mind that Katie Taylor was plus money on
the fight I took that.
Speaker 2: I cashed that all day long.
Speaker 1: Yes, you did. Let's get back to it. Alicia Baumgardner
did win in the cove feet Sure, she was impressive
in her undisputed title win. That headline the undercard. Your
thoughts on her win and the rest of the undercard
real quick before we get out of here.
Speaker 3: Well, my first thought was that I would not use
the word impressive as you did in that victory because Miranda,
Jennifer Miranda who she fought, came in with no credentials
and a nice record. But bomb Gardner was a tremendous
favorite in that fight. And even though the scores were
ninety eight to ninety two twice in ninety seven to
ninety three, if you watch the fight, Miranda pushed her
hard in that fight. That was I thought a much
closer fight. That's just me, and it was a pretty
good fight. But bomb Gardner in my mind was like
and she even said in her post for interview, she
didn't give herself a top grade.
Speaker 2: She's like, I forget, she said, I gave my SI
she said B plus, So she was.
Speaker 3: She was not at her best that night. She won,
that's not the issue, but it was not overly impressive.
I agree with what she said about herself. She can
be better than that. I've seen her better than that.
Speaker 1: The chantel Cameron won on the undercard Shadisia Green also
the win over Savannah Marshall.
Speaker 3: Ahead, well let's talk about that for just a minute.
So Green and Marshall, that to me was probably the
best fight of the undercard fights in terms of the
action and how close it was. They were back and forth. Again,
that was another close That was, you know, another close fight.
They scored a split decision. I'm looking at the scores here.
Green got it ninety six ninety three, ninety five ninety four,
including having been docked one point for holding, and then
one judge had at ninety six to ninety three for
Savannah Marshall. I saw some bitterness and complaining as usual
online when those scores were announced. But that was another
fight where there was a lot of close rounds. And
here's the thing. I think maybe one of the reasons
we see some of these closer rounds and female boxing
is because the rounds are two minutes, you have less
of a body of work to judge the fight on
once you get to that third minute. In men's boxing,
that can obviously separate, you know, there's a lot more
that it can go on. So when you only have
the two minutes to work with, you know, it stands
to reason they're going to be fresher, that's going to
be maybe more competitive. It's when you get tired at
the end of a round, who's got a bit more
in the gas tank in that round? And so they
produced close fights oftentimes if the talent level is somewhat equal.
But Green was very emotional after the fight. She's been
at this a long time. This was her crowning moment
and you know, it was a good fight and in
a marshall very disappointed. Now she just got the two losses,
one to Green and one to in the pro rematch
against Claressa. She is Savannah the only woman to ever
defeat Claressa Shields, either as a professional ori as an amateur.
But for Green it's a huge win. She's now the
unified champion at super middleweight. Got two with the titles,
and in terms of the other bouts, you got Ellie Scotty,
who Ricky mentioned she defeated by unanimus decision, yemelya Mercado
that was a totally one sided fight. She wanted to
shout out on one score card. It was like eight
to two in the other score cards, and she was
able to retain her two titles and unify a third title,
so puts her sort of at the top of the
of the sport in terms of one hundred and twenty
two pound way class. And the other title fight on
the card, this was an absolute beatdown. Tchernika Johnson, who's
from Australia fought Sharretta Metcalf stopped her there.
Speaker 2: She was just laying a beating on her.
Speaker 3: There was a conversation in the corner after round number
seven and d referee you know, the bell rang for
the beginning of the eighth round, but he didn't let
her come out for the ray throughout He's wing the UK.
Speaker 2: She just took a wake and beat down in that fight.
Speaker 1: All good stuff. Again, the night belongs ultimately to Katie Taylor.
As somebody just pointed out in the comments that Serrano
landed close to four hundred punches, close to four hundred
of them in the second fight tonight. The two fighters
combined and I know you got the copy box in
front of you for I think one hundred and forty
total land punches between both of them in the fight,
so it was not the same fight, not near the
same fight.
Speaker 3: So just to give you the stats here, it was
Taylor landing seventy of two hundred and thirty one and
Serrano landing seventy of three hundred and eighty two. So
she threw many more punches than Katie. But if you
go back and watch some of those rounds, there are
literally times where she throws a big punch and it's
not even close, like it's a wide and they're very
clear to see center of the ring. She launches the
shot and she doesn't come within six inches of hitting
Katie Taylor. So yes, she was throwing far more punches
but with very little effect.
Speaker 1: So again that was from our recap on Friday Night Live.
Any other final thought now that we've had a couple
of days and they're kicking around what might be next
for Taylor some more there they're kicking around what might
be next for Serrano? Would she fight Bomb Gardner, et cetera,
anything else? As we put to bed, what was a
sold out Madison Square Garden on Friday Night for that
entire show and Taylor's latest win over Serrano.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was a huge event for women's boxing obviously,
and even though the fight in the main event was
not at the same level as the first two fights,
they still got back in there and did it once again.
It was a lot of tension, but not a lot
of great action. It will be the least memorable of
the three in terms of the combat. But I thought
it was very funny because Katie Taylor is such a
nice woman and she's so humble and so cool about everything.
But when she was asked about Chantal Cameron, who was
on the undercard as we discussed and won her fight
and she is the interim title holder whereas Katie is
the young disputed champion, about them having potentially a rubber
match a third fight because they're one and one. She
gave Katie her only defeat in an incredible action packed
fight of the air fight, and then Katie got it
back in the rematch that was also the same kind
of fight and very close, but just she got the edge.
So when she asked when she was asked about doing
a third fight with Chantell Camrat, Katie basically you know, said,
let's see if she can even sell out a thousand
seat theater. Before I give her another shot or something
effect like she was mocking her because she is not
a draw the way that Katie is. And she was on,
you know, buried on Katie's undercard. She she was a
fight that was not even on the main card. She
was one of the Netflix or YouTube whatever preliminary fights,
and Katie heres making millions of dollars in mega fights
in the main event. So if Katie's gonna fight again,
I think, you know, whatever she said about her drawing power,
that seems to be the big fight, unless, as I
pointed out, unless she decided she wanted to perhaps give
her give a try to fight as a welterweight.
Speaker 1: Maybe, And again, I suspect we'll see Serrano again. It's
tough for her. She's lost these three fights. Yeah, you know, we'll.
Speaker 3: Say the things about the thing about Serrano is like,
I don't I mean, she's the featherweight world champion, She's
still a unified champion. She had given up her a
WBC belt because they would not go along with her
her desires to do longer rounds and three minutes intead
of two minutes. But I don't see what's there for
her at one twenty six, the fight that maybe she
would be interested to do or could be made because
MVP's in Bob this she's twenty six pounds champion, She's
fought very well at one forty. She's been a champion
previously at one forty one, twenty six, and one thirty
and with thirty five, you know her and Bomb Gardner.
Maybe as you know, she challenges Bomb Garner for the
undisputed title at one hundred and thirty. That's a makeable,
interesting fight, So she'll have options when she decides, you know,
after she uh you know, gets over the loss to
Katie or you know, gives a little, gives a little
the rest maybe the rest of the summer before she
goes back to figure out what she wants to do.
But by the way, I look forward to seeing them
both back, and they're against different opponents.
Speaker 1: Because you are such a historian. I'm not being sarcastic.
You are and you do this so well off the cuff.
I did not ask you this on Friday night. We
did not rehearse this. But in any of these trilogies,
what is one where one fighter obviously it's going to
be the male trilogies most noteworthy where one fighter won
the first three. Is there one that comes to your
mind immediately of any of the trilogies because we went
over you know, Ali Fraser. Fraser won the first one,
Ali the next two, Gotti Ward Nicky Ward won the
first one, Gotti the next two. Britick Bow beat Evander Holyfield.
Holy Field beat him in the fan Man rematch. What
was it? Morales won the first fight with Barrera and
then Barrera the next two. Do I have that correct?
I think I have that correct. I can't think of
one where a fighter in the trilogies in the mind,
or maybe in the last forty or fifty years won
the first three. And I see the look on your face.
You gotta you gotta think about this. I have one,
you have one that I do right off because this
is you go.
Speaker 3: It's actually sick, and it's it's because I joked around
about this trilogy numerous times where it was just the
stupidest trilogy that ever happened. There was literally no reason
for it. Nobody wanted it. They didn't do big numbers,
but they were of notable fights because there were world
title fights involved. That that's some not not for all
of the bouts, but for some of them, and uh,
you'll love this because it's your guy, Winky Wright and
broncol McCarty. Oh yeah, three times. This is in like
the late nineties, early too. And the third fight I
think was in two thousand, mid nineties, right, uh, ninety
six nine one.
Speaker 1: I've joked with you.
Speaker 3: It was between It was between ninety six and o two.
They fought three.
Speaker 2: Times, Okay.
Speaker 1: The first one in ninety six was my honeymoon in Hawaii,
and I had I had interviewed Rink Winky a couple
of different times in the studio. I interviewed him in
the studio about two weeks before this fight, which I
want to say was in Macart's hometown in Michigan, and
I'm on my honeymoon in the middle of the afternoon
because the time difference watching him win that first fight.
So they fought three times and Winky won all three.
Speaker 3: And two of them were world title fights and one
of them was a title eliminated.
Speaker 1: Cart get disqualified in the second or the third one,
and one of them he got.
Speaker 2: Dequed because in the third fight eighth.
Speaker 1: And again I'm verifying for the pod audience We didn't
rehearse that, and you just came up with that. Well,
But I mean that's the one that I just listed
in the prominent fights in the modern it is rare
to have somebody win all three of the matchups.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you go back to the olden days,
you know, when you've got oh sure, you know, uh,
Ray Robinson and Carmen Basilio.
Speaker 1: You know, then I'm not if I'm not mistaken, didn't
and I'm just going run on a tangent, didn't Sugar
Ray Robinson beat Jake Lamada like the first four times
they fought that maybe.
Speaker 2: Right, they fought six times.
Speaker 1: I think he beat him the first four times.
Speaker 3: Jake only only got the one win, right, And uh,
but you know that was that was in a time
where that was commonplace. They you know, where guys would
have a trilogy and two fights would take place in
the span of a few weeks. But yeah, like you
said in the in the let's say in the seventies
and up, it's.
Speaker 1: But you have to find all right.
Speaker 2: But the reason why I was.
Speaker 3: Able to think of that so easily is because McCart
and Winky Wright has always been a trilogy that I've
joked about because it was so unnecessary.
Speaker 1: Why did we have to have the third one after Winky?
Speaker 3: Usually you have a trilogy where the three fights, at
least the first one is great, right, Like Chikita Gonzalez
and Michael Carball, the first fight was the fight of
the year, and they had a second fight and it
got an even score even though it wasn't a great fight,
and ended up having a third fight which was really
not very good either. It's really the first fight that
only was terrific, and McCart and right, none of them
were good. There's another totally ridiculous trilogy where one guy
two wins, no losses, and a no contest in a
modern fight. That was Bernard Hopkins in his Ridiculous trilogy
with Robert Allen. That was a fight where one of
the where one of the fights was a no contest
because they got into a clinch and Mills Lane accidentally
shoved Bernard Hopkins out of the ring and he had
hurst his ankle and was not able to continue. So
that's a trilogy where there was really no compelling action.
Speaker 1: And obviously Canelo and Glovekin the first fight was a draw, correct,
and so that's not a win. And then Canelo got
the next.
Speaker 2: Two, even though Tripogy should have won the.
Speaker 1: First probably, But okay, I love the I love the trivia.
Now why don't we do this on the god We
are going to go back to Saturday night's recap of
the Shiraz knockout of Edgar Berlanga. I say again to
the peeps on the podcast, you would have heard this
with us live or on the YouTube feed. That's the
only place we did it after the fight, So stay
engaged with the YouTube feed. You're gonna hear it now
on the podcast. You just would have heard it first.
It's new to you on the pod if you didn't
find the YouTube. Pitche all right, so here's the old
recap of the Ring Magazine his own pay per view
at Louis Armstrong Stadium the United States Tennis Center actually
great indoor venue as it turned out for this for
this card, Sharaz the knockout Shaquar Stevenson also in the
co feature a win. You love the entire card. Let's
hear the recap of that right now on the podcast.
Wow Hamza Sharaz. Now one of us thought Sharaz would win.
I did not think I did not think he would
blitz Berlanga like that. Your thoughts on what we just
saw in New York.
Speaker 3: I mean, first of all, forget about Berlanga specifically and
Shiraz specifically. Just I want to talk just in general
terms about the whole show. That was the best pay
per view I've seen in a long time, top to bottom.
All Right, you had a prospect that the kid from Japan,
sassume me. Yeah, he's in with a you know, just
a not a particularly solid opponent, but he's in a
second profile. He looked awesome knocking him out. That's what
you want to see from a prospect. Then they got
going with the real fights, and every single one of
them delivered, right. David Morrell against Katiev was a fantastic fight.
They were in a just a slug fest from the
opening bell. Both guys showed a lot of heart, they
both gave, they both took. I mean it was a
tremendous battle, evenly matched. Love that match. Next fight, the
title fight between WBC Junior welterwait title holder Alberto Poeo
and the former WBO title holder Sibrill Mattias put on
a tremendous battle great clash of styles, Mattias. We'll get
to all the details, but pressure, pressure, pressure, Pueo China Box.
They put on a fantastic fight, close all the way,
and then you get to the co feature. All the
talk with Stevenson's he gonna run? Is he gonna stand
like a man in fight? He stood like a man
and fought, but he showed his skills. Also, fantastic fight.
Thought the scores were crazy wide, but that's just me.
But another terrific fight. And then the main event, Yeah,
maybe a little bit of a slow start. And then
as my good friend Tig likes to say, boom goes
to dynamite. So we'll talk about the Berlanga. Look, whatever
you thought about the stinky performance he had in the
Adamis fight, I do believe he struggled making the weight.
I do believe that Andy Lee is a future Hall
of Fame trainer and he's showing it with the things
he's doing, not only in this fight with Sharaz, but
other clients that he has worked with. He is a
boxing man through and through. He continues the great lineage
of Emmanuel Stewart, who was his trainer and manager for
all the years and you know, Andy is is a
great boxing mind. And it clear to me that the
combination of the weight that he was able to gain
Sharaz to be you know, not as not struggle as
much combined with what Andy brings to the table in
terms of his just his brain, his calm, demeanor, his
his also the ability to you know, instill confidence, knows
what the guy is going through. He's not that long
retired from his own professional career where he was a
middleweight world champ. He's worked with some top notch fighters,
including Tyson Fury and others. And uh, you know, he
was fearless, came to Berlina's hometown in New York and
after uh and even he admitted in the in the
interview afterwards, you know he was losing that fight for
the for the through the first few rounds. But you know,
it's a twelve round fight. You don't have to win
round one and two necessarily. But he then, of course
had two spectacular knockdowns in uh, what was it, round
number four.
Speaker 1: Four in the fourth round at the end of the
fourth round.
Speaker 3: And I'll give yeah, yeah, I'll give Edgar Berlang a
lot of credit for getting up both times.
Speaker 2: Because either one of those knockdowns could have easily ended
the fight. So we certainly the second lion that I
thought live.
Speaker 1: I thought on the second one he was going to
get counted out, but he got up and was right
at the end of the round. We'll get into all
of that. Uh and and they let him come out
for the fifth round. Again. We assume everybody watching us
has seen it. There are probably some that didn't see
it on pay per view but maybe have now seen
the finish of the fight on social media, et cetera.
But I mean Shiraz came in measured at the beginning
of the fifth round and then wap whap, two big punches. Well,
Berlanga down again in the fight has stopped Dan.
Speaker 3: I'm very sure that when the referee saw the punishment
that he took on the two knockdowns in round number four,
that he was certainly going to be on high alert,
let's say, for something that might rock him early on.
And so had the knockdowns not occurred in round number
four and he took those same kind of punches that
he took in round number five that staggered him, the
referee probably doesn't stop the fight. But because he was
down so brutally in the previous round. The referee obviously
made the right call to stop the fight. I thought
that David Dial, who was an outstanding referee in my opinion,
particularly with his ability to handle heavyweight fights, thought he
gave Berlanga, you know, the slow walk in round number
in now round number four, kind of a little extra
time to my liking to that basically let him survive
the round. But it didn't matter because he was not
able to recover after what happened. The one minute rest
period was just not enough and Berlanga got dusted. And
so now you ask yourself, Okay, whatever your position was
about Berlanga before the fight, he's now lost both times
he's been at the highest level. He got obviously lost,
you know, a wide decision and got dropped by Canelo.
Although in the aftermath most of us thought, okay, he
did a much better job in that fight than most
people thought. I don't know if that's a credit to
Berlanga or maybe we're seeing, you know, the the downslide
of Canelo Alvarez. But whatever it was, after a slow start,
you know, hams A Shiraz just put it on him,
and you know the size difference was dramatic. This was
Toms's first fight at one sixty eight. Fine, but if
you didn't know that, you look and you see a
giant against a small guy, because Toms is a much
taller man, has much much bigger reach and uh and
just physically much larger than in every dimension and also
was a good puncher at one sixty and clearly it
has come with him two one hundred and sixty eight
pounds because he he tagged Edgar, Yes, even when Edgar's
been when other good fighters. You know, Yeah, Canelo dropped him,
but he never really punished him. He never really hurt
him too much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a just walk, right, just to dissect that.
That was a one punch flash knockdown in that fighting,
correct me if I'm wrong, you were there, ring sign.
I'm trying to remember that was there and keep track
of it. Did you ever since that Berlanga was hurt
like he was hurt after those charras, that's I.
Speaker 3: Guess I'm just saying, no, Yeah, sure is. No, he
got dropped, but he got up, dusted himself off, and
that was never really other than on the scorecards where
he lost the point that was never a factor in
my view, and the remainder of the fight. These knocked
downs he took against were obviously a heavy duty factor
because he was not recovered and therefore the fight was stopped.
You know, just a few seconds into the next round
when he took a rough combination and staggered on the shot.
You know, if he doesn't, if he didn't go down
on those punches, but if the rep doesn't stop it,
clearly he's getting drilled. You don't want to see him,
you know, go to the hospital and be out cold.
I mean that the point was making that Charaz was
the better man, end up story.
Speaker 1: Of again, a lot of live audience joining us. We
love it here on YouTube. As we're doing this live
on Saturday night. We've given some opening thoughts. I'm using
the word there on the screen overrated for Berlanga. I
I mean, I think you can make the case that,
I mean, Canelo's a Hall of Famer. Yes, this is
Shiraz's first fight in the division. It's all set up
for Berlanga at home in New York, and he got
blitzed here and the critics are going to be out.
You know this, You've done it for a long time.
They're going to be out for Berlanga.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, well, I mean it's that's first of all,
that's boxing. I mean, you know, you lose a fight
like that and the critics are gonna come for it.
I mean, just imagine, and I'll date myself a bit.
When when Marco Antonio Berra got beat twice in a
row by Junior Jones, people left the man for dead
D E A D.
Speaker 2: And guess what.
Speaker 3: He came back and put on one spectacular fight after another,
made himself into a lock Hall of famer, won multiple
world titles after that, scored humongous wins against Eric Morales
and Prince Nassin and others, And you don't write him off.
I'll use another example. My man Vladimir klitschkow left for
dead after he got knocked out by Lemon Brewster, another
knockout loss in his career. His brother, the great Batali Clitchko,
suggested he should retire. Vladimir Klitschko then went one of
the greatest streaks in the history of heavyweight championship boxing
and became a Hall of Famer and one of the
legends of the sport. So and I'm not saying that
Berlang is going to do that, okay, But the point
is only that you can have the worst night of
your career, which Edgar Berlanga had tonight, and you can still.
Speaker 2: With hard work, a little luck, a little you know, proper.
Speaker 3: Recovery time and matchmaking and mental focus and all the
things that go into it, can rebuild yourself. So you know,
I'm not going to write him off the same way
I'm not going to write off other guys that lost
on the show tonight, you know what I'm saying. So
you know, again, the chances are gives Berlanga as a
lot of people have not thought that much of his
abilities even before this fighting, before the Canela fight, and
he still hasn't really beaten a top level guy. So
the chances that he becomes a Barrera, you know, or
a Clitch goover somebody like that are not great. But
you know, I don't He's twenty eight years old. I
doubt he's retiring. He's made great money in his last
few fights. But he's a fighter and that's what he does.
And he showed a lot of balls at heart and
got up and let me ask you a question. So
he lost a fight by a knockout. You wouldn't want
to see the guy in another fight? Of course you
would the way he fights in my opinion.
Speaker 1: All right, much to get to here, we're gonna your point.
Speaker 2: Do you want to see him again?
Speaker 1: I know I'm not making a point about whether he
should retire or no.
Speaker 3: I'm saying you want to see him in the in
the ring again? Would you watch the fight? Would you
be interested?
Speaker 1: He probably would have some level of interest, but I'm
not as interested. After I watched Canelo beating decisively and
I watched Sharaz knock him out. He's got to prove
more to me if you're asking me my opinion about Berlanga.
And I think it is fair to use the word
overrated right now because he was hyped for a while
by top rank et cetera. He moved away from top rank.
He did get the shot with Canelo.
Speaker 3: The reason I would not say the word overrated is
accurate because he's never been most He's talked big, but
most people, media and fans have just said basically, here's
a good, solid super middleweight. They never made it out
to be the top contender or gray bar, you know.
So I think he's in He's been fairly where he's been,
so I wouldn't say he's overrated. He's just he's a
good fighter, he's a quality puncher and all that. But
you know, he is what he is. He's a guy
that fits in the middle of the division.
Speaker 1: Let's turn to the co Maine the cod feature on
this and that is Shakur Stevenson. I put the word convincing.
Certainly the back half of the fight he was convincing,
winning a unanimous decision over William Zapeeda. So two things
for me. The first thing is I thought it was
strange that tactically he stayed on the ropes a bunch
early on in the fight, almost daring Zapeeda to come
at him punch him. He was kind of leaning back,
as we do this on video, with his right shoulder
and his left glove up. He did it over and
over again early and then he kind of got on
the front foot and was a little more aggressive and
began to open up a little bit. And I thought
he wore zapeieda down, especially championship rounds tenth, eleventh, and
twelfth round and Shakoor was the better fighter. Those are thoughts.
What are your thoughts analyzing his decision went over the
guy that is regarded as the best contending lightweight, Zepeda
of Mexico.
Speaker 3: Well, I thought that he won the fight number one.
It was a really good fight. And by course Stevenson's standards,
we've we've been so harsh on some of the recent
fights he's had because they've been so terrible, you know,
to compare what happened in this bout to what we
saw in fights like Edwin Delos Santos or Hartoonian, this
was a revelation. This was an excellent fight to watch.
I feel like by matching up with another quality fighter,
it did bring the best out of Shaquor, like he understood,
like he and I'm not trying to speak for him.
I'm just getting my impression and having interview at Chaquor
and many times and all that, I don't think he
really had any true fear or worry or concern about
a guy like del Santos or Hardtunian. Not to mention
he was injured in the in the de Lo Santos
fighters to make excuses for him, so he still went
out there and he won the fights pretty handily. But
I do think there was I'm not gonna say fear,
but concern about what's the Paida brought to the table.
I'm sure he watched some video of the guy, or
certainly his team watch video and told him what was pecked. So,
when you know you're going in with a guy who's
a hard charging fighter from Mexico with massive aggression that
does literally throw about one hundred punches around and as
heavy duty punching power, you know that you're gonna be
maybe in for a tough night, so you're gonna have
to bite down. So he got himself in great condition.
He looked a lot physically stronger to me tonight, the
way his body was proportioned and some of the muscularity
that he had added over the course of the camp
getting ready for this fight. If you look at his
body compared to the way he looked during the Padley fight,
like that was back in February, he just looked physically stronger,
and even he said after the fight, when he goes
back to the drawing board, so to speak, he's gonna
try to get even more physically stronger. So that's that's
important for when you're type fighting these types of fights.
But in terms of his performance. The scores of the
fight I thought were excessively wide in my opinion, one
nineteen to one oh nine, one eighteen to one ten twice,
I thought it was much much closer. I had the
fight really close and paid a winning up until the
latter part of the fight. In the end, I did
have Court winning seven rounds to five, but I gave
him six of the last seven rounds, so I had
him behind. You know, I gave his pay to most
of those early rounds. The aggression and the landing punches
were tremendous, but your corp, as he said, I had
to dig deep into my bag and pull out what
I had because.
Speaker 2: He he was tough.
Speaker 3: Anybody that wanted to say, I want to see chirkor
Stevenson prove something tonight. I want him to show that
he's not just this defensive specialist that he can bite
down in so called quote unquote fight like a real man.
Well he did that. So if you're unsatisfied, you're just
not satisfiable. Fought a tremendous fight, and it was exciting
and it was smart, and he did a lot of
different things. He showed a lot of different wrinkles in
his game.
Speaker 1: What did you make of his early strategy of laying
back on the ropes. I know Antonio Tarveror on the
broadcast with Jim Lampley kept saying, I don't know what
he's doing. Why is he doing it? Lampley even made
mention like in the second or third round that Antonio
Harvor is waving his hand at Chakour, get out of
the corner, get off the roll.
Speaker 3: Highly inappropriate for the comment that.
Speaker 2: And I've seen that with nothing but love for my man.
Speaker 1: I know, we love the we love tarbor time. But
what do you make of why Shakur was doing that?
Was it part of a strategy to lure him in
and counter punch him, maybe wear him down for later
in the fight. It's not like he did it once
or twice. He did it over and over again early
in the fight.
Speaker 2: No, I'm sure that it was a combination of things.
Speaker 3: It was let me see what he has, let me
tire him out a little bit, let me see and
kind of assess his power, and let me counter Also
because one of the things that that he does very
very well is CounterPunch. And so I didn't think it
was anything ridiculous. I mean it's you probably don't want
to lay on the ropes against a big puncher like that,
a guy that's gonna swarm you and just be right
up in your face. Not the best movie. He's better
served for his skill set to be in the center
of the ring where his back's not on the ropes
and you can just dazzle with your shots where you
can land and the judges, no matter where they're sitting
or going to see it clearly. But to do that
for a couple of rounds or three rounds, I mean,
you know, it's a long fight, got twelve rounds to
work with, and I think he wanted to just do
with those things success what he had in front of him.
Let him tucker himself out a little bit. All that's
hard to do when the guy has not shown that
in the past. He says, a you know, as always
shown if he's going deep into a fight, Zepaida show
and he's got the good engine as they say. I
don't think it was. It hampered him and he slipped
a lot of shots. But the thing that impressed me,
number one, he showed a good hint. A lot of
people have questioned, well, what's going to happen when shug
Get said, well, let me tell you, he got hit
with some solid shots tonight, but he had a lot
of good combinations that landed and Zepeida took the shots,
but he was rocked a few times, no doubt about it.
They had some moments where they basically went back and forth.
You know, Shakur would rip off three or four punches
and Sepeta would answer. There was a lot of body
work from both guys. It was just a classy fight.
It was the kind of fight and I say this
every single time there's a fight of consequence. In the end,
the goal here is a we are entertained and be
both guys when the fights over, elevate themselves. Chakourt absolutely
evated himself by winning this fight retaining his title, and
I think Zappeia elevated himself also because yeah, okay, he
didn't win the fight, he sure looked the hell a
lot better than he did against Tevin Farmer. Absolutely is
a lot better than Tevin Farmer in my opinion, and
I don't think there's anybody out there that's a boxing fan.
Then okay, so he lost, you know, even if it
was wide on the cards, I believe it was much closer.
But even still, even think it was wide on the cards,
you wouldn't want to see Williams of Paida tee it
up with anybody else in the division, of course you would.
Speaker 1: And I had the fight on the on the Big
Fight weekend card. I had to fight four to four
going into the final four rounds and gave Shakor all
four of those rounds, and he was very impressive. In particular,
he was pot shotting. I love that boxing phrase with
that left uppercut, that lead left uppercut. He landed numerous
times in the fight, and I thought Zippeda was tired
eleventh round, twelveth round especially, he didn't have the same zing.
He wasn't landing with any effectiveness. Stevenson got him into
the late rounds because he's been in a lot of
twelve round fights.
Speaker 3: He was trolling a ton of punches, and he was
expending a tremendous ment of energy, and he was taking
a lot of punches. And as you mentioned from your score,
I'm looking at what I have here. I had Shaquor,
all right, let me say I had after round eight,
I had Zepaida winning seventy seven to seventy five after
giving him the eighth d then.
Speaker 1: I gave threes Apaida after eight, and then you gave
Shakur all the last four round.
Speaker 3: Yeah, seventy seven to seventy five after eight, and then
I gave Shakur the final four rounds of the fight,
which I thought were pretty clear in my mind.
Speaker 1: All right, the uh, We're gonna get to your comments, Dan,
it is off the charts, how many people are commenting.
We'll try to get to some of it because.
Speaker 3: I want to talk about what's next for Scord and Savages.
Speaker 1: Hang on what is next?
Speaker 2: Year?
Speaker 1: At one thirty five, The Schofield fight did not happen
earlier this year for whatever reason. The week of the
fight in Saudi Arabia is that next? Is it something
else next? In your mind?
Speaker 3: That's surely you think that that Schofield said he wants.
That's the fight that Oscar de la Hoya, his promoter,
said he wants. That was in the immediate aftermath of
him knocking out Tevin Farmer in the first round. The
fight was made for earlier in the year. Uh so
they were able to make obviously a financial deal and
all that, and Turkey would still be involved with that.
So if Turkey wants to try to put it back together,
I see zero reason. I guarantee you that Shakur would
accept that fight. It seemed pretty obvious that that Schofield
and his people were interested in the fight. So yeah,
I would have no problem if they made that match.
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 3: I mean, it's, uh, they'll there'll be a lot of
storyline because of what happened in the fight that took
place back in or that didn't take place I should say,
back in February. Uh, he's got the Farmer fight to
go off of, which was a big win for him.
That's obviously his biggest win. But it's not like he's
the only game in town. I mean, you know, I
mean the other champions in the division, it's it's kind
of in a they're in a tough spot because the
w BO belt is vacant at the moment since Lomachenko
or not Lowachenko but got stripped, so that that will
be filled by the November fight between Abdullah Mason and
Sam Noakes. Those guys whoever wins the title in that
fight won't be ready for Scord in the next fi
because they're fighting each other and and frankly not ready
for sugar on a competitive level either, so I don't
even look at that as a possibility. The IBF title
holder is Ray Mooretaya. He has a mandatory that has
been ordered. We'll see what happens with that. And then
the WBA champion his Gravanta Davis, who was arrested and
you know his August fight that was supposedly happening. I'm
very confident won't happen, at least not in August. He's
gonna be dealing with his legal issues, and even without
the legal issues, there was a good chance at that
fight wouldn't happen. I'll tell you what Chaquur could do though,
And I think this, if if Gervanti really is going
to be on the shelf for a while, or isn't
going to fight in August or even you know, in
September or October or whatever, I'll tell you a fight
that would be a really interesting matchup. We make him
against Lamont Roach. Roach deserves the opportunity.
Speaker 1: You scare me. I was about to ask that very question,
and you came up with it first, which is if
the availability of Davis is in question here over the
next sixty to ninety days. Why not in October November?
Fight would LaMonte Roach?
Speaker 2: And like I said, the.
Speaker 3: Murtai fightsrobably not available to unify, mainly because he just
was ordered to do the mandatory against Well, actually I
take the back he was ordered. He was made the mandatory,
but he still has time to get in an optional
if he wants, and Andy Cruz is the mandatory, so
theoretically they could try to make that match. I just
don't see murre Taie in his first defense going in
with Chakur, unless Turkey comes with the big bags. As
the kids say, I guess it's anything as possible, But uh,
I think that his next fight, I think the one
that makes the most sense, that's the most makeable is
probably either Schofield or I'd love to see him with Roach.
Speaker 1: I think Roach or Schofield, sign me up. That's interesting.
After being in the Honda Center two weeks ago tonight
and watching him blitz Farmer, you now have more appeal
on that win and Shakur's win tonight for those two
guys to fight later this fall. Bruce watching says we
in here that we like that. He says, wait to
set up Sharaz Canelo. All right, let's go right there.
What is the likelihood should Alvarez be victorious with Terrence
Crawford that Hams as Sharaz is on the radar for
Canelo twenty twenty six. What do you think, Dan Rayfield?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Turkey al Chik is the paymaster, he said publicly
and to the fighter, I'm going to give you Canel obbers.
Remember whatever happens in the Crawford fight, I mean, unless
Canell decided to retire, win or lose. But if he
wins or he loses, and he continues with his career,
it'll still be a big deal. And he still has
two more fights left with Turkey, after the Cane, after
the Crawford fight. So it's very obvious that one of
those fights, you know, he's fight. He's gonna probably fight
twice in the year, unless there his injuries are some
other compelling reason why he wouldn't. But if he does,
you're looking at the two names. These are not secrets.
One is going to be Hams of Shiraz, who I
don't think is gonna not fight again until like next September.
Speaker 2: Let's say if that was what it was going to be.
You can't. You're not gonna hold the guy out for
more than a year.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, I'm saying there's two if he fights in May,
but he takes another opponent, because the two opponents that
they're talking about are either Sharaz or Chris u Bank Junior. Now,
if you Bank Junior, he's got his rematch coming up
with Connor Ben. If he wins the rematch, either one
of them would be ready to go by May. So
one guy might get the fight and then the other
guy wouldn't get till September. So again, whoever is the
odd man out for the May fight, they're not going
to probably sit around and wait.
Speaker 2: Now, maybe maybe u Bank.
Speaker 3: Would do that because he's older, his fight with with
with the rematch with Ben is not until later in
the year. But if it's Shiraz and you just want
to fight here in July and you're just supposed to
lay off until next September, I mean it would make
though I would think he would have another fight. But
the point here is this, unquestionably the names that are
going to be most discussed for the next two Canelo
Alvarez fights. Again, things can change, but at this moment
it will be Chris u Bank, who probably would have
to beat Ben in the rematch, and Hamsa Shiraz.
Speaker 2: There's no that's you know there, that's pretty clear.
Speaker 1: Somebody gets the golden ticket if if that's the case.
Speaker 3: Back to the comments, and by the way, from the
Sharra's point of view, he just dusted the guy the
Canelo had to go twelve with, so they're from compelling
aspect for that. And Chris Ubank, even though he's fighting
Connor Ben in the middleweight division, both in the first
fight and in this rematch, has ample experience as a
super middle He has fought numerous fights in the super
middleweight division against a number of quality opponents on top
of that, so that's a legit fight. Also if they
do that fight at one sixty eight.
Speaker 1: More comments from the Savages, David says, what a great card,
highly entertaining. Thank you for watching us. David. Here tonight,
Kyle says that Hamza looked like a Kronk guy from
the eighties. He's complimenting like out of the lineage of
Thomas Hearns and.
Speaker 3: Well that's Andy Lee with Emmanuel Stewart Jnson and Andy
Lee trained at Kronk when he became a professional.
Speaker 1: And Jim Lampley right away before the fight began, says,
Sharaz looks long and lanky, lanky, but I saw Andy
Lee as a skinny, big time puncher that seemed to
come out of nowhere. He almost teed it up and
foreshadowed what we saw from Sharraz. And we had seen
Sharra's bomb a couple of guys out before the Adamas fight.
Speaker 3: And now Williams to Liam Williams, he you know he
beat it. He did it to Denzel Bentley. But I
wouldn't say Andy Lee when he came into the pros
as a boxer, before he became a trainer, obviously he
didn't definitely not come out of nowhere. This was an
Irish olympian who was heavily touted, who was looked at
by many as a future superstar and a future champion.
A lot of promoters tried to sign him. Emmanuel got
him and was his manager, UH and had Andy live
with him. Andy live with Emmanuel for a long time
when he when he relocated from Ireland to Detroit to
begin his professional career. I covered numerous Andy Lee fights.
UH been around him a million times. Just a tremendous person.
And as I said before, and we were talking about
the fight, a brilliant boxing mind just from someone experience
as an amateur. But to spend all those years at
the knee of the great Emmanuel Stewart, you better Dan
learned something and he has.
Speaker 1: But else on the under hard here this evening, let's
start with the Mattias pueo as we descend down thoughts
on that narrow decision win for Suprile Matias. Did you
agree with that.
Speaker 3: I had to fight a draw? To tell you the truth,
I had a six rounds to six. But I had
no problem with uh with the fight the way that
it wound up. I mean, it was a close fight.
Both guys did their thing. That's the thing. Most of
the time when you see a boxing match, the whole
concept of what's gonna happen is is who's going to
impose their their their style, you know, if it's like
in the case of Chakor against against Zepeeda, Shakur was
able to impose more of his boxing style and counter
punching than Zepeta was in terms of his overall overall
aggression and body work and all that. But in terms
of the Pueo and Mattias fight, Mattias is a just
a pure brawler, pure puncher, a guy that just goes
right at you, and he did that for twelve rounds.
And Pueo is more of a boxer, He is more
of a counter puncher. He's more of a guy that
will come off the ropes, and he did that also,
And so in the end I agreed with one of
the judges, which was one fourteen to one fourteen. The
other two judges gave it to Mattias one fifteen, one thirteen.
If you were listening to the commentators, they seemed to
feel like that it was Pueo that was slightly ahead.
Was that kind of fight? I mean, there was really
again no losers in terms of the public opinion, I
don't think because I've never been a big Playo fan,
but now I'm more interested in him after seeing his
performance and that fight. Mattias has always been exciting to
watch when he's won or loss. I find the very
interesting thing about the way that went down is that
Mattias came into this bat with a couple of losses,
but he had never went to distance in a win.
All his previous twenty two victories were all by knockout.
This was the first time he ever went to the
cards and actually won the fight very very close, and
it was a It was a I was surprised how
good that fight was because I know a lot of
people were thinking about Mattias and sort of the way
he brings his style and it's always exciting. But I
thought that Pueo might kind of maybe stink him out
a little bit, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then of course the fight was here.
Speaker 1: Jack Mattias looked terrible in the fight with Liam Paros.
In the back of your mind, your concerned until you saw.
Speaker 2: At least to night. Now, at least.
Speaker 1: Tonight, he looked like a totally different fighter.
Speaker 3: Because because he came back and won a fight since
then and he did fine, and when Paro had a
certain style, and I think that maybe that when Mattias
had that fight, he was a little overcome by having
the fight in his hometown and distracted, and that's the
real thing. It happened sometimes, So I wasn't like overly
concerned about that. And then when the fight was over
with Mattias getting the victory, you know, Dalton Smith who's
been the mandatory for the WBC. He's there at the fight,
he is the next guy. And they made the announcement
in their ring basically that you know, that's the match
he's making for Mattias to fight in the defense against
Dalton Smith. That will put it on that November twenty
two cards of doing in Riot. And then later in
the show they were like, whoever wins the fight between
Dalton Smith and Matias, we're gonna give Playo a rematch
or you know, the rematch when Matias or the fight
with Daltons.
Speaker 1: I heard that because I guess Turkey al Chic relayed that, yeah,
to Chris Mannix.
Speaker 2: But there's nothing wrong with the Coppenter.
Speaker 1: And they and they relayed it on the air, and
I'm going, we just had the result about twenty or
thirty minutes ago, and we're already now creating something for
Playo down the road.
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't think there's a look. He lost a
one point fight. The mandatory is gonna happen and the
I like the concept and I wish it was in
utilized more in boxing. But if a guy loses, you
don't just discard him. If he puts in an effort.
He makes a good fight, if he creates some drama,
if there's a reason that you want to see him again,
bring him back. So fucking what did he lost? The
fucking fight? He lost by one point to a guy
that was also a former champion in an outstanding fight.
Why wouldn't you want to see the guy again? And
I suspect that that when the tea is and Dalton
Smith t it up, that'll be some heavy duty action
in that fight for as long as it goes as well.
Speaker 1: All right, David Morrell wins controversially. I saw all over
social media. I gotta confess, Missus Reeves and I were
out at dinner. I did not see the Morell fight live.
I want your scorecard. There were a lot of people
that thought Katyev the Russian was robbed in this fight.
What did you think on the undercard here?
Speaker 3: From that, I mean, I can't say rob is hard
because the fight was so action filled. There were some
close rounds. Both guys did a lot of good work.
The official scorecards were ninety six to ninety three and
ninety five to ninety four in favor of morel. One
judge had it ninety five to ninety four for Katyev.
That's how I had the fight. So your difference of
a pain is like one round. I mean, I guess
we talk all the time TJ. The range of acceptable scores.
I mean, you give it to Morell by a round.
I can't really get too mad about it. I don't
agree with it, but I'm not going to like say
you're on the take or you're an idiot or anything
like that. It certainly could have been a either way
kind of fight. Morell had his moments, Katyev hit has moments.
I think people might lean towards thinking that Kadyev was
the deserved winner because he's the guy that had the
one knockdown in the fight. Morell had never been dropped
in his career, and he did knock him down. I
want to say it was in like round and five,
I believe, and it was not like a little, you know,
soft touch knock. Then it was a good, good clean shot.
I mean, one thing about kaya he is just a
strong bull. Not a surprise to me.
Speaker 2: TJ.
Speaker 3: We talked about it. I mean, this is a guy
I had on my prospect list at the end of
last year. I've been watching him since he turned pro,
and even when he was in the Olympics, I've been
following Kady even knowing a lot about him. I've seen
a lot of his fights. He's ten and zero now
he's ten and one. I've probably seen eight of his
fights going into this one, so I was very familiar
with him, and I was actually when I've said to
everybody when this fight came up, this is like the
sleeper fight, because you might a lot of people don't
really know Katiev because he hasn't had a high profile,
you know, they look at Morell like always coming off
a loss against Benavidez, I was like, dude, this is
going to be a good fight, I promise, And that's
exactly what it was. So I give Morel a lot
of credit for coming off of that kind of loss
not that long ago, that was only in February, to
take on a very solid guy that there's really no
upside the beating, right, if you beat him, okay, you
be a guy that nobody.
Speaker 2: Ever heard of.
Speaker 3: If you loss, that's really a rough it's a rough
loss because nobody ever heard of the guys. So but
they no problem. They took the fighting for Kadiev as
a professional. He's taken a monumental step up. I mean
he's a great amateur, but never find anybody even on
the same fucking stratosphere as David a pro.
Speaker 1: So along those lines, Morell got beaten up and got
decisioned by Benavetez. He struggled to beat katyev tonight. Do
we have some questions in the short term about how
good is Morell? The former Cuban Olympian he fights out
of Minnesota.
Speaker 2: Wasn't amp questions. Not an Olympian.
Speaker 3: David was not just a Cuban Okay, it's just I
mean it was from the Cuban program and a tremendous amateur.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't have questions. I mean he was
in with a really good fighter. Katyav is a is
a bona fide guy. This is not like nobody. This
is an Olympic medal winner. This is a guy that
was for years on the Russian national team, who's got
background in the amateurs and is a very good fighter.
They had similar number of professional fights. So you know,
did David struggle a little bit?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean I guess, but he got to win. He
got knocked out for the first time but I don't
hold that against the guy. Guy's getting knocked out all
the time. Pretty Much every great fighter you could think
of has been on the deck, you know, at least
a no here or there, not a surprise. So I
just look at this as like a quality matchup. He took,
he got the close win. I don't think it damages Katyev.
I think anybody that watched the fight would want to
see him again. And and if Turkey continues to do
what he's been doing in his recent events, I see
no reason why he wouldn't look to try to bring
Katya back in the right fight, you know, in the
next couple of shows. There's zero reason why you wouldn't
want to do that. Let him get a little bit
of a rest, and so he was out there that's
willing to step in the ring of this man. I'm
gonna tell you right now, there's a lot of guys
that would say, you know, Matt, thanks, but no thanks
on katyav unless they bring, you know, a huge amount
of money to their attention. Fourth thing though, that I
was thinking about with Morell and Katy that we were
just really quick. I'm not gonna do it real quick.
I'm gonna take my sweet ass times what I'm gonna do.
When you go from super middleweight to light heavyweight, there's
a difference. I feel like that's one of the toughest
jumps seven pounds.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, go ahead.
Speaker 3: When you switch weight divisions from certain weight classes, there's
a tradition where guys are are much it's not as
it's not viewed as as difficult of a jump that
guys you know easily can win titles in those other
weight divisions. I've always felt, as I've watched boxing that
that jump from sixty eight to seventy five is a
little bit more complicated. And I feel like David Morel,
who was the perfect size at light heavyweight, I mean
at super midway rather has looked rather pedestrian in his handful,
has gotten out with three fights, I believe as a
light heavyweight. He didn't look great in the first fight,
which was back in August of last year when he
was on the cart in California. I attributed part of
that because it was super hot and they were right
at the time where the sun was the brightest. It
was bad for both guys. And then he obviously had
to fight with David Benavidez, which he lost. He scored
a knockdown against Benavitez, but he still lost a pretty
clear decision. And then he came back tonight and yes
he got the win, but he struggled a little bit.
And so sometimes you know, as we've said one thousand
nine its the weight classes are created for a reason,
and he maybe a guy that looks like a tweiner
where he might not be able to make one succeeed
anymore as he's matured, but one seventy five to be
at the very elite level might be a bridge too far.
We're going to find out how it goes in the
next couple of fights for him.
Speaker 1: Blang to me, showed something getting up from the second nightdown.
I said it earlier, I repeated here for the audience
to just join us. I didn't think he was going
to get up. I thought he was going to get
counted out, and we didn't really address this. I thought
David Fields took I'm gonna do it on purpose for ever.
Speaker 2: I said that.
Speaker 1: He did administer the count and then let Sharaz have
a chance to knock him out.
Speaker 2: At the end.
Speaker 1: Frank Warren was right there in the front row almost
got up on the ring apron after how long that took.
Speaker 2: And then the count.
Speaker 1: I think David was also confused. I'm not making excuses.
I think he was confused that the round was maybe
over because he clearly looked over like at the timekeeper,
like is the round over? Then he pointed at Sharaz
like go back, and then they said fight and then
they rang the bell. But it took a month, it
seemed like from when Berlanga got up.
Speaker 3: But the I know they have to you know, New
York is a commission where they make them administer the count,
the account, but then they have the whole you know,
go to the side, come to me and make sure
their balance is okay. But again that shouldn't take as long.
So he definitely got a few extra seconds there, and
you'd like to see Sharaz able to get off one
or two more the round and.
Speaker 2: Then maybe would have ended it.
Speaker 3: He became academic because he blitzed him in the first
few seconds of the next round. But uh, like I said,
David feels to me has always been an outstanding referee.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: I don't think he was bad tonight.
Speaker 3: I just felt like, you know, he may may have
been slightly slow on the uh on the counter, and certainly.
Speaker 1: He made the right He made the right call on
stopping the fight right away. In the fifth boom boom,
the two big shots, he's he's down again with the
gloves on the ground and staggered, and that's enough. Before
you gets point.
Speaker 3: I was making earlier about that is if if the
knockdowns that happened in the previous round had not occurred,
and he just got nailed and staggered the way he did,
that cause him to stop it. But those previous knockdowns
hadn't happened, Fields wouldn't have stopped the fight. But he
knows the guy's been damaged badly on the two knockdowns.
Now he's damaged yet again and looks in big trouble.
So I'm gonna call.
Speaker 2: It a day.
Speaker 1: Anything else here in the Saturday Night Live recap mode
off this This show was so much ridiculously better than
the fatal Fury card in early May, with the three
basic newsfast fights that happened with Tea Fimo Lopez, Devin Haney,
and Ryan Garcia losing. I think that goes without saying
we got much more entertainment, including a booming night for
hams of Sharraz. He's the star of the night with
what he did to Berlanga. That's my final thought. Anything
else from.
Speaker 2: You, uh, Charraz certainly is the reasonable person to pick.
I picture.
Speaker 3: Course, Stevenson is my star of the night because of
the pressure he was under and to perform in a
way that was pleasing to the fans. Which you know,
when guys have to go out of their normal style
sometimes it doesn't work out so great because they feel
that pressure. I thought he handled it great and he
put on a heck of a fight. So I give
him this. I give him my my gold star, and
I give Charaz would be like my you know, gold
A or gild B or whatever.
Speaker 2: But they both performed very very well.
Speaker 3: The main thing is this, and I owe this to me,
the simple most thing of all of this business that
we discussed. If you are a Joe and you bought
the fight and you spent your sixty bucks, you turn
off your screen and you were satisfied with what you
paid because that was a worthwhile card. And it wasn't
the same way when you did that. After the Canelo
Skull fight, for example, that card was terrible. It wasn't
like that after the card that was in Times Square,
as you mentioned. I think another big thing, by the way,
is there was actual fans there that turned out for
the event, and they were making noise and they were
into it, and that was not the case in Saudi
Rabia or six thirty in the morning and everyone is
half asleep, and same thing goes for the Times Square card,
not because fans wouldn't have been excited, maybe, you know,
if the action didn't necessarily warrant it.
Speaker 2: But they didn't have fans there.
Speaker 3: They had, you know, a few hundred that were inside
like a closed off area, not even people on the
street could look in. So this made sense. You're in
an actual place with actual fans. They priced the tickets
pretty cheap, and they put on a tremendous fight card.
And so they're not all going to be winners. Some
are going to be less than winners. But you got
to give the credit where credits due. They made four
excellent fights. I think all four of the fights going
into the fights had chance to be excellent. The one
I thought was maybe the least chance was that Pueo
and Mattia's fight. It turned out to be very, very good.
The Katia fight with morel was everything I had hoped
for and more Stevenson I thought was even a better
fight than I had any right to expect or anybody did.
And while the Berlanga and Truss fights started off a
little slow, you know, you're never going to complain. We
get that kind of explosive ending with those types of knockouts,
and that was the only knockout of the main four fights,
so that was a pretty good way to end think,
so all in all, I was very satisfied with we.
Speaker 1: Okay, any other thoughts now that we're to Sunday afternoon
Sunday night, as we're doing this off of that card
on Saturday Night where I've seen a lot of the
memes and since we did that and people going after
Edgar Berlanga for all the talking and throwing the lingerie
underwhere at Oscar de la Jolla and all the different
stuff and he got knocked out. Anything else to put
a capper. Now that we've had twelve to eighteen hours
to digest.
Speaker 3: I'm sure this has been a hard day for Edgar Berlanga.
I mean, a guy that's got a lot of pride
and a lot of swagger and was very confident and
just you know, it's one thing to lose, but we
get absolutely ruined. The way he got ruined to just
get you know, basically dropped a couple of times, like
he was a rag doll. Is not a good thing
if you're him for the mentality. So a hard day
for him, but a great day for Hamsa Shiraz, who
came across them, across the ocean to the other guy's
hometown and didn't just get a win and eke it out,
but really went in there. And you know, I don't
I don't like I don't really don't like the phraseology.
I always thought it was sort of like, very cliche,
but sometimes it's true. He made a statement like I'm
here now at one hundred and sixty eight pounds and
you guys are gonna have to deal with me. So
I'm gonna tell you right now, based on his size
and the power and the and the poise and the
calmness he has, I'm not saying he would win, but
you cannot tell me if you stuck him in the
ring with Canelo Alvarez, the champ, that that's not like
a legitimate fight.
Speaker 2: Sure as how is Oh?
Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah? And so I just can I just interject this, Yeah,
I wanted to see the same thing with David Benavitez
for the last two years, big strong, young, big puncher,
and Canelo stayed about it about the width of the
Grand Canyon away from that fight and.
Speaker 4: Why so close?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So stay tuned on whether Shiraz. But you
did line up and you've you've mentioned it in the
preview mode and you did line up that that could
be a fight in Saudi Arabia next year. Stay tuned.
It could be with Canelo. Stay tuned if that one
comes about. All right, why don't we do this. We're
on a roll here on the pod. This is new
to Everybody podcast audience. Enjoy for the first time anywhere,
Dan's conversation with the IBF heavyweight Champion, Daniel Dubois. The
britt will fight Alexander Usik in a rematch this Saturday,
July nineteenth. This is your one on one conversation with him.
Speaker 2: For the undisputed title.
Speaker 1: The undisputed title. Let's play that interview right now and
we'll talk a little more about Dubois and a little
quick preview of this weekend. Here it is.
Speaker 3: It is my great pleasure to welcome to our podcast
this week. It is the IBF Heavyweight Champion of the World,
Daniel Dubois. And Daniel, You've got a very very big
fight coming up. You're going to be taken on. You
are the IBF champion, will be taken on the lineal
champion and the unified champion, Alexander Usik. You guys will
be meeting for the undisputed heavyweight title. Will take place
July nineteenth on his own pay per view at what
will be a wild and packed Wembley Stadium in your
hometown of London. It's going to be a big one.
Thank you very much for doing this, Daniel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no pumbling, Matt, no problem.
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you before we get into your
fight coming up with Alexander Usik. I want to talk
a little bit about that incredibly impressive victory that you
scored in September in your last fight against Anthony Joshua,
a fighter that had been beaten two times by Alexander Usik,
but certainly not in the manner that you did it.
You didn't just beat Anthony Joshua, I mean you really
destroyed him. Four knockdowns and a fourth round knockout that
many viewed as a knockout of the year. Just a
spectacular performance. And I'm sure that you were confident going
into that fight that you're gonna win, defend your title,
putting your wildest dreams. Did you think you were going
to take him out the way you took him out
even easier than when Usik out pointed him twice and
when Andy Ruis knocked him out the first time they fought.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean, I'll bring the goods. You know.
Speaker 5: My dad told me that this is that's the way,
that's the way we'd have to fight. We would have
to make a rule. And yeah, no, I've got a
fire power. And yeah, it was about just see he's
in a moment, and that's what we did, says the
moment and come out about bell.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So when you when you are, you're gonna be taken
on Usak in a rematch. Of course, anybody that follows
boxing knows about that first fight. August two thousand and
twenty three. You were the WBA mandatory challenge. You guys
fought in Poland and uh, he scored a ninth round
knockout against you. It was a very dominating performance. I
think even you would admit that by Usik.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: There was, of course the controversy in the fifth round
of what you believe was a a legal punch what
Alexander Usik and the referee thought was a low blow.
But after the fight continued, once that was uh, you
know behind you, I guess, and he was able to
go on what prevented you, I guess, from from exploiting
what you had done to him with that shot where
you were really not able to get back into the
fight after that, and then of course he went on
to get the win.
Speaker 5: Oh you're talking about the fight still? Oh really, how
can I say? I don't think I was at my
best in that performance, you know, just everything surrounding the fight.
But you know, I'm I think I feeled that I'm
a new different fight now, Oh, no question. I'm a
man of the future. So that was in a past.
I'm a man of the future, and I need to
prove that on the night that I'm not going to
be the night I'm going to come in there and
rip them belts off of him. This is a new me,
a new fight, and I have a job to do well.
I was going to get to that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I thought, since you're doing the rematch, it
made sense to at least have a brief conversation about
the first fight. But as you mentioned, since then, you
have had three very significant victories. You beat the undefeated
all by knockout, by the way, the undefeated Gerald Big
Baby Miller, the undefeated Philip Perginage to get the interim delt.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all of them.
Speaker 5: Was that the boogie man they called him Hergovich, so yeah, and.
Speaker 2: Then of course Jos Joshua also.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Were you at all discouraged though after you had the
loss against us, because it shouldn't seem like that the
way you fought those three guys I just mentioned.
Speaker 5: No, I mean, I don't think I show my best
in the you thick fight, and you know, I'm a
bro fight. I don't want to go out like that.
So you know, I needed to show what you know,
what we worked on, you know what I've got in me,
and you know, having to wright support around me, my dad,
my team, and you know, it was no question in
my mind that we had to come back again, and
we did that.
Speaker 3: What do you think, as you head into the rematch
will be the biggest difference for you compared to the
way the first fight unfolded.
Speaker 5: As I'm going to win, That's it simple. I'm going
to win. I'm going to win cleaning clinically with you know,
you know fire works, you know, knockouts, that's all. I'm
not going to be denied, whatever way it goes down,
I'm not going to be denied.
Speaker 3: He has been a great champion in the cruiserweight division.
He became the undisputed heavyweight champion. He has three of
the belts now the lineal title. But he's also thirty
eight years old, and after the fight he had with you,
he's had two very difficult, the hard fought victories against
Tyson Fury. How much do you think that those fights
have taken out of USA physically?
Speaker 5: Hello, you know those wars they always do. Any fight
will tell you that. But in my fact, I'm going
to drag out a little bit more of and whatever
he's got left, I'm going to drag it out and
then turn him what they whatever they want to call it,
old or whatever they want to call it, but I'm
going to drag it out of him and give him
a real fight.
Speaker 3: Well, I was going to say, you are on a
great role. As we just discussed, You're twenty seven years old.
You have an eleven age eleven year age advantage on
your on your behalf. How much do you think that
your level of freshness and age plays a role in
what's gonna unfold on July nineteenth?
Speaker 4: Massively?
Speaker 5: Anyone will tell you, you know, you can feel good fit
and then when you're training in the gym, but your
for your eight year old man is still a for
your eight year old man, and you can, you know,
you feel the I'll make him feel feel you know,
the all the injuries and all of that, whatever they
want to say, but we're gonna come out on top.
I'm young, I'm fresh, and I'm in my prime right now.
Speaker 3: So one of the things that people have felt that
is that there is a vulnerability with Doo sick is
the body shots. I mean, you believe that the body
shot did the damage in the first fight. Obviously some
people thought it was a low blow. But how much
is the body attack do you think going to play
a role for Daniel Dubois in the rematch?
Speaker 5: Every attack really body head just put on him, put
on him I mean, as a real fighting man, I'll
just say put on him. You know, we're gonna we've
worked on in the gym what we need to do
and how we're going to execute it. But uh yeah,
we've covered We're covering no thing. You know, we're not
long to go now, and I'm sure it's gonna be.
The world's gonna can't wait to see it. I'll can't
wait to deliver it.
Speaker 3: When you fight him. The first time it was in Poland,
it's sort of on his turf because it was the
closest place they can populate fight by Ukraine. Now he's
coming to London to fighting your hometown. Now, he's been
a man that's traveled his entire career. He's fought everybody
in their hometowns. But for you, though, how much of
a of a factors or for you instead of fighting
in Poland, is gonna be for you to fight him
in London.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's gonna be repeat as a AJ fight again,
repeat the same you know, the same kind of crowd
will be then, you know, we'll create the same atmosphere,
the same energy, and we'll just do what we have
to do to win.
Speaker 3: What would it mean to you, Daniel, to become the
undisputed champion, you have a title presently, there hasn't been
a British undisputed champ since Lennox Lewis in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 2: That would be a very historical accomplishment.
Speaker 5: Massive, isn't it. That's going on in history books that
no one can take it away from you. You know,
to win the world's undisputed world world title, it's a
huge thing. And also I get to Queen's exact my
revenge on him, So it's a lot, a lot of
everything's on the line on this one.
Speaker 4: Everything's on the line, you know.
Speaker 3: That was actually one of the things I want to
ask you is in your mind, which is like the
bigger deal? Is it the revenge of the mono a
mono or is it the history of becoming undisputed? That
would be more to you, That would mean more to.
Speaker 5: You, all of it really, because now I'm a different
fighter from when I first fought and I had no
real title belt. Me know, I was lacking up and comer,
but I'm a world champion as well, and I feel
like i'm i'm i'm I'm on the table now and
I need to kick him off the table and take
all the belts.
Speaker 3: At twenty seven. Are you even in your prime yet?
Speaker 4: Of course? I mean, of course I'm in my prime.
This is.
Speaker 5: You know, when I'm fresh and and I'm arrested for
them for the fight. You'll say that, but I'm in
my prime.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think about when you suffered the very difficult loss
to Joe Joyce in twenty twenty. It was a major
injury with your orbit bone. Uh, suffered the first defeat.
A lot of people wrote you off at that point,
at that moment, when you were at the low point.
I guess after that loss, did you think about, like,
you know, I'm going to be back at the top,
not only at the top, but in one of the
biggest fights in boxing, fighting for the undisputed heavyweight title.
Or did that seem like it was a million years
or a million miles away.
Speaker 5: Oh, there was no quitting me. I feel we're going
to come back. We're going to show everyone. Everyone has
a lot to say when you're when you're down. So
that just basiced me up to say, yeah, I'm glad
that happened. You know a lot, Joe, a lot, you
know that experience Without that I wouldn't be why I'm today.
So I think all of those those the pain maks
you stronger.
Speaker 3: If you do become the undisputed heavyweight champion, as I
know you're very confident that you will do. Is there
a dream fight for you? There is a lot of
names heavyweight division. I don't know if that means potentially
a rematch against Joshua Tyson Fury, your countryman has decided
to come out of retirement. Nobody's surprised there, Uh, that
would be a big fight. Al So, what do you
think about as far as like the biggest fight possible
if you become the undisputed champ?
Speaker 4: Want get whoever wants it can get. That's my attitude.
But how big would you fear want to fight? You know?
Speaker 5: Massive? Wouldn't it massive? That that would be? That would
take over everything? You know that that's that's got a
bit the top of it. And I know you've definitely
come back for that. So yeah, boxing's in a We're
in a good place. We need to win on July
Bashapousick and take them belts away.
Speaker 3: Fury says he is coming back. And the thing I
found interesting is that they're saying that he's going to
be fighting Alexander Usik in April in his next fight,
and I thought to myself, Yeah, I mean, how's that
going to be if if Usik doesn't be for me.
Speaker 5: He he's trying to just stay away from me. I mean,
they already know I'm the Jinks, the guy that you
know they don't want to fight because you know I'm not.
I'm that guy, So you know they're trying to stay
away from me. And he's never called me to He's
kind of a spa or whatever. But you know, everyone
knows in the boxing mode what I'll bring to the table,
so I need to do it.
Speaker 4: Do it now.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't think i've ever heard Tyson Fury under
the name Daniel Jubabi for I guess maybe maybe he
will if you become underspeeded champ. If you do, I'll
be a huge accomplishment. I wish you the best of
luck in your in your efforts, and I appreciate your
time today, Daniel.
Speaker 2: Good luck to you.
Speaker 4: Thank you man.
Speaker 1: Fine, all right, again, that is a recent conversation. I
always tee you up this way with this. How did
he look? Uh and correct me if I'm wrong? He
has been locked in in training camp. Is he training
somewhere else right now or was he training in England?
Like for example, when you talk to Berlanga, he said,
I've been here in Boulder, Colorado training at altitude. So
you never know where these guys are. Is what about this?
Speaker 3: I think I'm pretty sure Daniel was in the UK training,
But when we spoke, you know, he was very very relaxed.
I mean, people will see the video when we eventually
do put it on the YouTube channel. He was like
sort of sitting outside and look like in front of
his house or you know, wherever he was training, and
you know, dress real casual, nice smile, just relax and
you know, Daniel's, you know, can be a pretty chill guy.
He's very confident in this fight, you know. You know,
he knows that things did not go very well for
him in the first fight obviously, but as we discussed,
he's looked phenomenal and done a tremendous job in the
three victories he's had since, So he should have every
every ounce of confidence. And I do expect whatever happens
when they when they do get in the ring on
the nineteenth, that it's going to be I think a
more competitive fight than the first time. I'm not going
to sit here and tell you I think the d
was gonna, you know, suddenly become the underspeeded champion and win.
But I think he's going to be in it, certainly
more than in the first fight, because there's not a
lot of ways, frankly that he can be worse than
in the first fight where he was undressed and knocked out.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Interesting that our colleague David Payne, who I actually spoke
with yesterday, he's been pointing this out. British media has
been talking about it. Dubois since then, has the new
trainer since the loss to Usik, and he has looked
like a different fighter against Herkovic and against Anthony Joshua.
How much different will he be to affect the outcomes
on the front foot? Blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: We saw we saw what Hamsu Shiraz look like with
his new trainer, Andy Lee for the first time, and
sometimes that can make a big difference.
Speaker 2: All right, so we'll see.
Speaker 1: Okay, So that is again Saturday at Wimbley get I
mean get ready for a loaded my god, Saturday July
nineteenth coming up. Speaking of that, you have already talked
with Manny Pakiaw about his challenge now for the WBC
Welterweight Championship. Pac Man comes out of a four year retirement.
We've got plenty of time to go over there. You
know where I stand about how farcical all of his
seems will see the guy on the other end, we
seem to be forgetting it's actually the champion, Mario Barrios. Oh,
by the way, all right, so but Barrios, now he
had a tough fight back in November, that was a
draw to hold onto the belt. So now he fights
the legend Paqial. We have to say it. The Hall
of Famer just went into the boxing Hall of Fame,
and you spoke with Mario Barrios just recently as well.
You want a role, you spoke with Barrios. Let's play
that interview for the podcast audience. First time you're hearing
it anywhere is right here on the pod. Let's go
to that now.
Speaker 3: Well, it is my pleasure to welcome to our podcast
this week. It is a WBC Welterweight Champ of the World,
Mario Barrios.
Speaker 2: To Mario, I.
Speaker 3: Think it's fair to say you've got the biggest name
of your career that you're going to be facing coming
up in all headline the PBC on Prime Video pay
per view, also on PPV dot COM's July nineteenth at
the MGM Grand Arena MGM Grand Gardnering. I don't think
I need to introduce your opponent, but I'll say his name.
It's the great legendary Manny Pacyow. You know that, So
welcome to the show. I thank you for doing this,
and I wanted to before we get into all this stuff.
Your fight with Manny, your last fight, your your title
defense that you made back in November, was such a
tremendous fight. I just wanted to touch in that for
a minute. You took on Abo Ramos. It was a draw,
but a hell of a fight. A lot of people
looked at that as a as a fight of the
Year candidate. Uh, you know, you started off really really well.
He came on really strong in the second half. Both
of you guys were knocked down in that fight. It
was on a massive card, on the undercard of Mike
Tyson and Jake Paulin the rematch between Katie Taylor and
Amana Serrano. How did you feel about your performance in
that fight, and he had gone back and watched it
and been as excited as so many people were to
watch it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, that was It was an excited night.
Speaker 7: You know, it wasn't if I didn't go exactly you
know how I want it. But you know that's that's
boxing regardless. You know what I prepared for, you know,
a hard towelve rounds, and that's exactly.
Speaker 6: What I got out of it.
Speaker 7: But you know, I'm so I'm so really proud of
everything else able to know, to to show that night
to everything.
Speaker 6: I guess we mean and and.
Speaker 7: We're almost both, you know, we're able to you know,
give with boxing fans and just you know, fans in general,
because that was a fight kind of reached it an
audience much bigger than boxing. And uh but yeah, no,
I mean.
Speaker 1: I wasn't.
Speaker 7: I mean as a fighter, you know, I wasn't too
happy with my performance. But you know, it's one of
those things where sometimes we step in there and you know, uh,
and things are working and then from you know, one
one round to to the next, you know, from one
punch to the next, you know, things change and it's
just you know, our jobs as.
Speaker 6: Fighters, you know, to try to make those adjustments.
Speaker 7: Uh, and I feel like, you know, even you know,
facing that adversity, you know, getting dropped.
Speaker 6: I was, I was just doing.
Speaker 7: Another interview and I was talking about it. I was like, man,
like those those middle rounds I kind of don't don't
really remember, and I yeah, and it's like for sure,
you know it's from getting dropped, you know, it's it's
it's hard to put into words.
Speaker 6: You know, trying to process, you know, one, getting.
Speaker 7: Dropped, because I mean I was hurt, like like the
way I feel like the way my leg was stuck,
like even getting up, I was out of it. And
then you know, trying to you know, still like you know, gather,
gather all your marbles, you know, still trying to make adjustments,
you know, to where you can come back to where
I can make sure you know, I'm still you know,
I'm still good, you know, still conscious of everything going on.
Speaker 3: Well, both of you guys have always proclaimed yourselves to
be Mexican warriors, and that's what you show it in
that fight. And it was just a great fight. I
didn't feel like it talked to you about the upcoming
fight without at least looking back a little bit on
that tremendous battle. So you didn't win, but you kept
your title because you got the draw. And obviously that
was big in terms of helping you get this fight,
because I don't think if you didn't have the WBC
welterweight world title, you probably wouldn't be getting a fight
with Manny Pacao. When you got the fight with Manny,
it wasn't I guess it wasn't a shock to really
anybody who was coming out of retirement. Once he didn't win,
uh the election for the for the Senate in the Philippines.
What was your reaction when you heard for sure I'm
gonna get a chance to fight Nanny Pacya.
Speaker 7: I was, I mean, I wasbviously, I was very excited,
you know, just even I was very excited because I
mean originally when I when I got word of the
fight against Pacyo, it was Litered right after the like
Romo's fight, and that's when I was like, Okay, you
know he's interested. You know it's coming back at a retirement,
you know, twenty twenty five, you know, like what do.
Speaker 6: You think about it?
Speaker 7: And like me as a fighter, I'm just like man,
first of all, I'm like pak ya, like hold up?
So I was, I was pretty taken away. And then
you know, it was kind of just like you know,
like a waiting game, you know, and you know in boxing,
you know most of the time, not anything is really
sentences stone, right, there's always you know, pieces that are
moving around.
Speaker 2: Always always.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so it was like something that was hard to believe,
especially with you know what, he had his election coming up.
But when you know, he los, he lost his election,
that's when it became more I mean it was just
like set in Stone was like okay, like this is happening.
Speaker 6: So then it was like okay.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 7: I mean I was men City, I was already prepared
or preparing you know for you know a pacyall like that.
Speaker 3: You heard rumors like if he comes out, I'm gonna
be the guy he wants to fight.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, so that that was like what it was.
Speaker 7: And then when, yeah, when he lost his election, that's
when it was like okay, like no, like we're gonna
you know, finalize everything, and this is like this is
you know, this is gonna get moving.
Speaker 6: So I was like, oh okay, nice.
Speaker 7: Well it was like I've already been you know medsic
preparing for it now, I you know, I could like
actually start camp.
Speaker 3: So when I say to you that you were born
and I looked this up before we got on there,
You're born in May nineteen ninety five, Many pak Yao
turned pro four months before you you were born. So
when I tell you that you weren't even born and
he was already boxing as a professional. What is What
do you think when I say that?
Speaker 7: It's yeah, no, it's it's crazy to see you to
be able to say that right that the guy I'm
fighting has been boxing professionally as long as I've been alive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean took off the last four years from
the ring obviously because he was in return. But even still,
when I saw that, I was sort of blown away.
Were you I mean, as a as a young guy
growing up, I assume watching boxing at some point before
you became a professional, and he's on his way having
these major fights. Even when you were young pro, he
was involved in some mega fights. Were you a many
Pacio fan? Were you watching his fights or maybe going
to his fights that type of thing.
Speaker 6: I was.
Speaker 7: I was a fan, but I can't say, you know,
I was the biggest fan, like I've been seeing everybody there.
There have been plenty of podcast fights or I have
rooted for him, and there has been plenty of fights,
you know where I've gone against him.
Speaker 6: Especially as a kid. I grew up a very prideful
Mexican kid.
Speaker 3: So well, yeah, they called him the mex Secutioner for
a while he was beating all the Mexicans.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7: So yeah, anytime he thought a Mexican fighter, I was
going against him. And but there's also, like I said, man,
there's been plenty where I have rooted for him. Yeah,
but yeah, you know, like he was just you know,
that name from as early as I can reremember when
I thought about the sport of boxing. You know, he
was a name that was that was there.
Speaker 3: So you're thirty years old, I think you're probably in
the prime of your career. You're making your second title
defense against Manny. He is, as we've discussed, he's older.
He's forty six years old, he's been in retirement for
four years. He's coming off of a loss, and when
he announced he was coming back, the WBC made him
number five in their welterweight rankings. They have proved him
to have this title shot against you for your title,
and that's been criticized by a lot of people. It's
certainly not his fault, it's not your fault. But I
just wonder when you hear people say, well, you know,
Manny was a great fighter, but he certainly shouldn't be
raided by the WBC off the layoff at a loss,
and he sure sectionuld begin that chance to fight for
the world title. But what's your viewpoint about that? Where
where do you stand on all that?
Speaker 7: I think podcast just you know, one of those like
I think like rare instances where yeah, somebody who you
know has accomplished as much as he as he has,
you know, like they they're able, you know, to come
out of retirement and you know and still be you know,
like ranked as high as they are, and you know
and still you know, get those get those those type
of fights, you know, at that level.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean I don't really have you understand it, though,
Yeah I do.
Speaker 2: That's fair.
Speaker 3: Uh, Now, you know, he may not be what he
was when he was at his best, when he was
you know, cruising through everybody as we were talking about,
being all the Mexican fighters for example, and winning titles
in so many different way classes through the years, big
big pay per view fights, but even even a manny
that's not in his prime obviously and it's in the
end of his career. What would a victory against such
a legendary name mean to you?
Speaker 7: A victory against you know, legendary you know, pak yao,
it means everything right now, I know in order, you know,
I mean for me to you know, continue pursuing and
accomplishing everything, you know, I want to in the what'sweay division,
you know overall, which is you know, unifying the titles,
you know, fighting the other champions. I know right now
the whatswey division is kind of moving around a lot,
especially since Boots has announced he was moving up. Yeah,
you know, A win against Pakia, you know, just continues
to put you know, to put me in in all
of those places, you know, to continue to move forward
and uh, you know, to capture you know, those other
titles and just bringing bringing those you know, big exciting
fights you know to the sport or boxing.
Speaker 3: The one thing that I find interesting about the matchup,
whether he's older or younger or whatever it is, but
just the physical dimensions that both of you are, you know,
maybe obviously started in the smaller weight class, and he's
never been uh in the you know, the biggest guy
in the wealthyweight division, even though yeah, nasive success in
the weight class now that he's a bit older. Though,
I look at Mario Barrios, I say, you're, you know,
a younger guy, obviously by a lot by sixteen years,
but you're you're six foot tall. Uh, he's five foot five.
You know, he's much shorter than you, have a longer
reach than he does. I just from a physical standpoint,
how do you do you plan to just make that
a big part of your game plan, to use your
physical presence compared to his to help you get the victory.
Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely, you know, just using you know, any advantage
that I have, you know, especially you know just naturally
height reach, you know, my age, my youth, my job
you know, to as of right now, you know, go
into the fight, you know, use all of those advantages,
you know, to try to make him feel you know,
forty six, to try to really just you know, assert
my dominance and yeah, I mean overall, just show you
know why I'm also you know, aside from all of
the you know, the physical advantages you know show why
you know I'm I'm holding the WBC right now.
Speaker 3: I think about a lot of fights where you get
to this point where you got a great older champion
or top level name superstar. I think Muhammad Ali against
Trevor Berbick, an older fighter taking on the younger guy.
It feels like you're in a similar kind of position.
You're a young guy still trying to make big name,
big money. He's had his day, he's older, he's coming
out of this long retirement, and a lot of people think,
you know, because of that, you might put a beating
on him, and a lot of people are going to
be sad if you know they send I mean the
old saying Mario and boxing, they don't throw your retirement party, they.
Speaker 2: Give you a beating, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Did you feel like that this fight might shape up
like that where you just go in there and all
due respect to the great many pack out, but you
just treat him like a punching bag.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, I mean sadly, Yeah, you know that's
that's boxing, right, I know, I mean, I know packyo
also right, he understands very well, you know the way
things work in the sport. But yeah, you know, I
think getting asked that right if I'm if I'm afraid
to be the bad guy, and I'm not. Again, I
know it's a business right as right now and everything
smiles everything, you know, it's good between us and uh,
but I know, given the right we step into the
fight and if at any point podcast sees you know,
he has me hurt, right, like that killer instinct is there,
Like that's not going nowhere.
Speaker 6: So it's like it's just it's just business.
Speaker 2: But you have no qualms.
Speaker 3: If you can't get the old man out of there,
You're just gonna go out there and try to get
him out of there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, depending point I see him, like, I see,
I haven't hurt, Like it's just like man like sorry,
you know, like.
Speaker 6: Not sorry, Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 7: You know, I'm still gonna tip my hat to you,
but I'm I'm gonna take care of business.
Speaker 3: You guys have had too common opponents and or Dennis
Hugas and Keith Thurman.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: I wonder if you feel like the way.
Speaker 3: That those fights went, because they both played out differently
with both of you guys, is there any bearing whatsoever
do you take anything from that?
Speaker 2: You look at either of those bouts.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, you know, I try to just as the
as a boxer. You go back and look at those
you know, See it's funny the way like like like
styles work sometimes, right because again, like with Ugas, I
feel like I outclassed Ugas. I feel like Ugas outclass Pakia.
But when I found Thurman, I feel like Thurman outclassed me.
And you know I feel like Pakaya Derman.
Speaker 2: Is it a wash?
Speaker 7: Yeah, So it's kind of it's it's it's interesting, but
you know, like it's just my job, you know too,
to go back and look at both of those flights.
You know, see what Take what you know I did
right in those flights, Take what you know I could
have done differently, and then see how like pak Ya,
you know, like how his style, you know where he
found success and where you know he made mistakes. So
those have been fights that you know, me and my
team have you know, looked over, you know, in camp
and are very mindful of, you know, especially in these
last two weeks until the fight.
Speaker 3: All right, well, Mario, I wish you the best of
luck in the fight. I know it's a big moment
for you defending your title. Against a legend like Manny Paco.
So I wish you the best of luck.
Speaker 6: Aweso DT, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: All right, same question that I just asked a little
while ago about seeing Daniel Dubois when you talk to him,
you saw Mario Barrios and okay, let's pick it up
on is he being like completely forgotten, forget disrespective, completely forgotten. Oh,
by the way, the guy that's fighting many Pacio has
the title, what about it now to put around?
Speaker 3: I don't think my impression from Mario is that he
doesn't really care about that. He's just concerned about going
in there and winning and looking as good as he
can and furthering his career because he knows. We talked
about if people can hear what was said that whether
he's fighting a forty six year old Manipacyo or whoever
whatever version of many Paco, if you get the name
many Pacio on your resume and you beat him, that
that is going to resonate with a lot of people,
and people will suddenly know your name more than they
do prior to your victory if you get it against
Manny Pacyo. So he's excited for fight, without question, he
has a huge amount of respect for pak Ya, but
also they all know it's business. They've tdaated him to Look,
Manny's been a professional boxer for almost twenty five years.
I've covered a zillion you know, I don't know, twenty
five or something, many pacyat fights something like that. I've never,
like ever one time heard him say bad things about
his opponent. That's just not his nature. And so Mario
is a pretty chill guy. He's not looking at trash talk.
So they have a ton of respect for each other.
But when they when they get in the ring, they're
there to do their job. I mean, Nanny is a
is a seasoned veteran, obviously a Hall of famer, and
Mario is still, you know, trying to make a big
name for himself. He's got some accomplishment, He's got this title,
and he's been in the ring with good, good opponents
over the last several years. And so we're gonna see
if he can take care of business against an older fighter.
And now again, if he beats him, you know, it
doesn't mean what it would have meant if he did
it ten years ago. But still, I mean it's still
you know, like I'll give you an example, like when
Trevor burberk beat Myhama. It was an older in decline badly,
you know, fadd Muhammed Ali. But Trevor Burber became a
very well known boxer because he retired Muhammad Ali and.
Speaker 2: Ything like that.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, it's a good point. Okay, So again you
will be headed out to Vegas, god willing. We've had
a couple of people joking about that, I think in
our in our chat on Saturday night, the Clark County
authorities have been notified. You will be there without me.
I can't supervise you. I'm not there. You will be
out there.
Speaker 3: Say that about the Clark County authorities. I don't need supervision.
I'm the most chill guy in the world in Vegas.
I don't party.
Speaker 1: I don't think we had to notify And when both of.
Speaker 3: Us were there, I don't gamble. Might work in the
press room and do my interviews and mind my business.
Speaker 1: Uh so you'll be mining your business there later this week.
So we say to this podcast audience, hang in there,
because uh we're gonna We're gonna obviously have the preview
pod later on in the week. We're also gonna have
video content on the YouTube channel, uh as well, uh
from out there. By the way, on the YouTube channel,
we are going to put up We've got all of
these interviews. You've got the Pacquiao interview up Jesse bam Roderiguez,
who you've talked to. He's defending he's going for the
unification with Kafu at Junior banhamweite. We're going to put
that interview up. We're going to put the interviews you
just heard with Daniel Dubois and with Mario Barrios up,
So go to the YouTube page and see those interviews
as well. But you are headed out to Vegas later
in the week for the pac man returns right as
we as we wind it down here on this podcast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I wasn't about to not go to
this particular fight. I've covered so many many Pacio fights.
I thought it was my last time when I was
there for the Ugas fight four years ago. And now
he's back in the action, and for better for worse,
I'm going to see And by the way, even if
the people that don't like the fact that Manny is
coming out of a four year retirement to take on
a much younger man and fight for a title. A
lot of people they feel like it's unfair that he's
getting the opportunity after having been retired and coming up
of a loss, and I understand all that, but the
undercard is good because he got the rematch. Me and
Sebastian Fandor and up. Their first fight was freaking great,
so they're doing it. In the co feature, he got
Ista Cruz against against Angel Friiro, who earlier this year
put on a legit fight of the ear candidate and
their absolute slog fest.
Speaker 2: They're in a rematch.
Speaker 3: On the undercard, got another solid matchup be in the
featherweight division between Brandon Figueroa, who's a two division world
champion against Joet Gonzalez, who may have lost in the
times three times he's fought for a featherweight world title,
but never left anybody like disappointed because he wasn't there
to bang it out with the opponent. So from that perspective,
it's all good. And then even on the non pay
per view portion, in terms of the prelims, you got,
you know, Mark mccio was always in solid fights. Former
featherweight champion Gary Russell junior, former featherweight champ who actually
lost his title two mex Sile. He's back after like
a three year plus layoff, and there's there's all kinds
of stuff going on. So yep, for me, it's worth
it to go out there and be around.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. And by the way, they need to be engaged
on your Fight Freaks Unit, substack and newsletter. I know
you've been writing the recap apps off the weekend. You're
gonna have a bunch of preview material, probably some pac
Man memorabilia and nuggets will be put up on the
substack and your social media. We love all of that
great stuff. What a busy weekend. Can I officially now
get to like Sunday night Monday and you and I
don't have to do a show and don't have to
talk to each other. I think this is like five
days in a row, you know, But you know what,
I say that jokingly because we do enjoy doing this. Obviously,
you and I enjoy doing it. This is five straight
days that we have done content on boxing, on our
podcast feed, on our YouTube channel.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at it like this. If I didn't like
doing it, I wouldn't do it. I don't need to
do it. It's cool. I mean, if we can make
a little money besides that, that's obviously a great thing too.
So I'm not going to turn my nose up at that.
Speaker 1: But and breaking here or listen, We've got an overwhelming
response with people loving what we what we have on
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Make sure you're following in subscribe being on the pod
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think we're gonna be able to handle
the live right after PAK because of the logistics of
the night.
Speaker 1: We'll figure out what we're doing, what we're doing for Saturday,
because again the Dubois Usic main event will be overlapping
the beginning of the Paqui al Barrios stuff, and then
we also have the Bam Rodriguez unification title fight at
the Star in Frisco, Texas going on Saturday night while
the Pacqui al Barrio's review is going on.
Speaker 3: For the confident, I will I won't see I won't
see BAM's fight.
Speaker 1: Which cons to talk about.
Speaker 2: But here's the will see that Sunday. Probably.
Speaker 1: Here is the bottom line. If they stay engaged on
the podcast feed and on the YouTube channel, they're going
to get all kinds of reaction to all of this
whenever it happens. So the preview pod will go into
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and then we'll figure out the recap and kind of
go from there. This is what we do, all right.
I believe we are all good for this weekend with
all of the recaps here on this Sunday. Enjoy the
rest of your Sunday in the Monday, and then get
ready to go out to Las Vegas, Dan Rafiel. Why
don't you all else? Is good?
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, all right, and I am merely TJ.
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