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<v Speaker 1>One of the phrases I hate as a pro lifer

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<v Speaker 1>is the word or the expression culture wars. That conservatives

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<v Speaker 1>are getting too tied up in culture war debates and

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<v Speaker 1>they're not focused on what's you know, really important, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know per capita GDP, or you know, whether the

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<v Speaker 1>reconciliation bill is going to pass, or or cutting the deficit,

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<v Speaker 1>which will never actually do. It seems like this word

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<v Speaker 1>culture war, this phrase culture war got created specifically as

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<v Speaker 1>a way to minimize the importance of social conservative issues.

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<v Speaker 1>Social conservative issues, particularly like LGBT related issues, marriage debate,

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<v Speaker 1>and most especially abortion. And it's a particularly American thing,

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<v Speaker 1>much to the grown own eye rolling dismay of European

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<v Speaker 1>liberals and American liberals who wish they were European liberals

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<v Speaker 1>that in America and I don't know what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the specifically American character, the character of American Catholics

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<v Speaker 1>and American Evangelicals most especially, that has allowed us to

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<v Speaker 1>keep fighting these fights when Catholics and Protestants in the

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<v Speaker 1>Old World stopped, when Catholics in much of Europe gave up,

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<v Speaker 1>not all of Europe. Poland is still very vigorously Catholic

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<v Speaker 1>Ireland was pretty vigorously Catholic until a little bit ago,

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<v Speaker 1>but for the most part, Europe just kind of gave

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<v Speaker 1>up on fighting against abortion. The Europeans legalized gay marriage

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<v Speaker 1>without a tussle, without a fight, and without much debate.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a certain when you go over to Europe

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<v Speaker 1>and you look at political parties over there, and you'll

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<v Speaker 1>see someone characterized as far right, far right, a far

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<v Speaker 1>right political party, which it's so ridiculous the way the

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<v Speaker 1>media characterizes European political parties. So there's usually usually the

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<v Speaker 1>division of labor is if they say that it's a

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<v Speaker 1>left wing party, what it means it's borderline communist. When

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<v Speaker 1>they say it's a center right party, it means pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much has the same beliefs as the Democrat Party in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States does. And then when they say hard

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<v Speaker 1>right or far right or extreme right, what they mean

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<v Speaker 1>is something that's almost as conservative as the Republican Party.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what usually that's usually what they mean when you

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<v Speaker 1>read any American media account of European politics. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>you have to translate it. When they say the center

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<v Speaker 1>left party, what they mean is almost socialist or pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much totally socialists. When they say center right, they mean

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<v Speaker 1>about as liberal as the modern day Democrat Party. And

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<v Speaker 1>then when they say far right, hard right, they mean

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<v Speaker 1>almost as conservative as the Republican Party. Because even like

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<v Speaker 1>they're far right parties, they're hard right parties. Abortions not

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<v Speaker 1>on their radars. It's not even a debated issue. Family stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>transgender stuff, it's not really the subject of debate. And

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<v Speaker 1>Europeans will talk about how, oh, you know, well we

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<v Speaker 1>don't have the kind of culture war fights like you

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<v Speaker 1>guys have in the United States. Well maybe you should.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you actually should, because in over the course of

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<v Speaker 1>this week, the United Kingdom has legalized both abortion through

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<v Speaker 1>birth and assisted suicide. Just today legalized physician assisted suicide.

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<v Speaker 1>Parliament has just passed this, and I want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about these things. So the sort of settlement that most

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<v Speaker 1>of Europe had landed on when it comes to abortion

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<v Speaker 1>was basically abortion restricted to the first half of pregnancy,

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<v Speaker 1>more or less, and that's actually the case in most

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<v Speaker 1>of Europe. In fact, that was one of the weird things.

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<v Speaker 1>When America was still living under rov Wade prior to

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two, the United States actually had far more

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<v Speaker 1>liberal abortion laws than any country in Europe did pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much all of Europe banned abortion after about the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>week point of pregnancy, which is the halfway point. Many

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<v Speaker 1>countries in Europe restricted abortion only to the first trimester.

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<v Speaker 1>Some countries in Europe had other kinds of restrictions that

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<v Speaker 1>American pro abortion advocates would scream and shout and flail about, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, certain certain hour like forty eight twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>to forty eight hour waiting periods, mandatory counseling before you

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<v Speaker 1>got an abortion, stuff like that. There are all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of these European restrictions. You know, we would think of

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<v Speaker 1>Europe as so culturally left wing. Actually they were more

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<v Speaker 1>conservative than American liberals are when it comes to the

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<v Speaker 1>question of abortion. But it's just not a live political

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<v Speaker 1>issue over there. Especially in the United Kingdom, members of

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<v Speaker 1>the so called Conservative Party are just as likely to

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<v Speaker 1>be pro abortion as members of the Labor Party, the Tories,

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<v Speaker 1>the Conservatives don't seem to give a hoot about abortion,

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<v Speaker 1>and it seems almost as if attitudes on abortion and

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<v Speaker 1>assisted suicide just seemed to vary from MP to MP.

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<v Speaker 1>You have some prominent members of Parliament like Jacob Breeze, Mogg,

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<v Speaker 1>who was very prominent under Boris Johnson, who was a

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<v Speaker 1>very devout Catholic and he disliked abortion and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But Boris Johnson was I believe, was more okay with

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<v Speaker 1>it David Cameron okay, I mean such that it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>even really that big of an issue. So they introduced

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<v Speaker 1>this bill to expand Great Britain's legalization of abortion too,

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<v Speaker 1>all the way through pregnancy forty weeks, and they pass

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<v Speaker 1>it with an enormous majority. Let's remember right now that

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<v Speaker 1>the Labor Party is in control in Parliament under Keir Starmer,

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<v Speaker 1>who's the Prime Minister of Great Britain. They pass legal

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<v Speaker 1>abortion by a massive majority and without even like any debate.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the craziest thing about this. They passed Like you

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<v Speaker 1>guys may remember this, how like New York back in

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<v Speaker 1>like twenty nineteen, twenty eighteen, and a bunch of other

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<v Speaker 1>states were passing these very aggressive pro abortion laws to

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<v Speaker 1>you know, get rid of penalties for babies who may

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<v Speaker 1>have survived childbirth, survived and attempted abortion and then just

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<v Speaker 1>not providing them with care. New York was decriminalizing certain

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of criminal abortion, like getting there's all kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>these insane super pro abortion laws that were being passed

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty eighteen, and they were huge national news stories.

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<v Speaker 1>In the United Kingdom, they just passed this law to

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<v Speaker 1>expand legal abortion all the way through full term pregnancy,

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<v Speaker 1>as in, in the United Kingdom, it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>legal to kill a thirty nine week old baby in

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<v Speaker 1>a forty week long pregnancy, which by the way, can

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<v Speaker 1>be done, I mean it is done in some states

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States. Pro abortion folks try to argue

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<v Speaker 1>that it's only done because of medical emergencies. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>only done because of medical emergencies. Very often it's done

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<v Speaker 1>just for pure birth control reasons. And they just pass

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<v Speaker 1>it with, as they call it, just a minimal amount

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<v Speaker 1>of so called backbencher debate, meaning it's the backbenchers, the

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<v Speaker 1>people who sit at the back benches of the Parliament,

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<v Speaker 1>who are, you know, the less important members of Parliament,

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<v Speaker 1>the people nobody's heard of doing debates that no one's

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<v Speaker 1>really following very closely. So earlier this week they just

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<v Speaker 1>passed that how hum whistling past the graveyard, and then

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<v Speaker 1>today they pass physician assisted at suicide. Now this was narrower.

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<v Speaker 1>There was much more national debate about this. The bill

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<v Speaker 1>would allow patients to be killed. So let's understand the

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<v Speaker 1>structure of most physician assisted suicide legislation. So and let

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<v Speaker 1>me define some terms. There's euthanasia and there's assisted suicide,

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<v Speaker 1>slightly different things. Physician assisted suicide basically means a doctor

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<v Speaker 1>prescribes poison to you that you ingest in the form

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<v Speaker 1>of a pill or something. So it's not the doctor

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<v Speaker 1>directly killing you, it's the doctor assisting you so that

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<v Speaker 1>you can kill yourself. Euthanasia is the doctor's the one

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<v Speaker 1>plunging the syringe. The doctor's the one adding the poison

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<v Speaker 1>to your IV. That's euthanasia. Okay, so there's a slight difference.

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<v Speaker 1>They're both bad. And the way most assistant suicide laws

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<v Speaker 1>are structured. This is how California's law is structure. This

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<v Speaker 1>is how the potential New York law is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be structured. This is how the UK's laws structured. Is basically,

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<v Speaker 1>you get someone with some kind of a serious diagnosis that,

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<v Speaker 1>in the view of the lawmaker, renders one's quote quality

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<v Speaker 1>of life to be lessened. Whatever that qualifying state is

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<v Speaker 1>that qualifies you to receive a prescription to request a

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<v Speaker 1>prescription from a doctor for physician assist at suicide. Now

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<v Speaker 1>here's the problem is that what is that definition of

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<v Speaker 1>what is that qualifying condition? So in California it's a

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<v Speaker 1>one year termminal diagnosis. You receive a terminal diagnosis that

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<v Speaker 1>you're not going to outlive a year. Well, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>those kinds of things are good faith estimates on the

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<v Speaker 1>part of doctors. They are not set in stone, lock

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<v Speaker 1>it down one hundred percent certainty guarantees. Right, It's not

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<v Speaker 1>like if a doctor tells you you have eight months

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<v Speaker 1>to live, like on you know, seven months and twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nine days, you're perfectly fine, and then at you know,

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<v Speaker 1>seven months and thirty one days, you keel over dead

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<v Speaker 1>immediately at the stroke of midnight. That's not how that's

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<v Speaker 1>not how it works. It's an estimate. Maybe you'll make it,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you won't. Maybe you'll live way beyond it, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you'll have a really amazing recovery and you'll respond perfectly

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<v Speaker 1>to treatment in ways that people can't always foresee because

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<v Speaker 1>there's a gazillion different variables, And maybe you'll outlive your

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<v Speaker 1>diagnosis by twenty years. Now, the problem is that the

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<v Speaker 1>category of who qualifies once you've crossed that fundamental boundary

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<v Speaker 1>of actively killing is okay. As opposed to the universal

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<v Speaker 1>accepted Western medical ethical practice of there is a significant

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<v Speaker 1>distinct difference between actively killing someone and deciding to withdraw

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<v Speaker 1>extraordinary means of care allowing nature to take its course. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a massive difference there, and it makes sense given

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<v Speaker 1>the anthropology behind this, Like you really have to go

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<v Speaker 1>down to the fundamental question, why is killing people wrong?

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<v Speaker 1>Why is killing people bad? All right, let's actually break

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<v Speaker 1>it down, let's actually try to think about it and

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it. Why is it bad to kill people? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's bad to kill people because we can see that

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<v Speaker 1>life living is a good. Okay, it is the good

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<v Speaker 1>towards which our bodies are oriented, towards which our human

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<v Speaker 1>nature is oriented. Death comes about through our bodies breaking down, malfunctioning,

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<v Speaker 1>not operating according to their proper ends. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>sense in which in Christian theology we would say death

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<v Speaker 1>is on or really maybe more Christian philosophy we would

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<v Speaker 1>say that, and not exclusively Christian philosophy, either Greek philosophy

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<v Speaker 1>Aristotelian philosophy. We would say that death is not natural. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it is a thing that happens to everybody, but it

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<v Speaker 1>involves the body breaking down, not functioning according to its

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<v Speaker 1>proper flourishing. So here is death as this ill, as

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<v Speaker 1>bad as this natural evil, which, while it's contrary to

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<v Speaker 1>the good of our flourishing, is where we're all ending up.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where we're all going to deliberately actively bring that about. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>is clearly something different from letting it happen. It is

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<v Speaker 1>eventually going to happen to all of us. To actively

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<v Speaker 1>do it, though, to take a life involves this massive

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<v Speaker 1>disruption to the social order, taking someone out of the

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<v Speaker 1>political community that the community of all of us living together.

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<v Speaker 1>This is why murder is bad. Life is good. Human

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<v Speaker 1>beings are good. Human beings have connections to other human

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<v Speaker 1>beings because they are political animals in a community with others.

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<v Speaker 1>We love them, We care for them as goods in

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<v Speaker 1>and of them, as things that are good in and

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<v Speaker 1>of themselves. When you kill someone actively, you are acting

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that's contrary to nature, letting death happen,

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<v Speaker 1>allowing this natural evil to happen. Once you realize that

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<v Speaker 1>you cannot forestall it is one thing actively killing someone

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<v Speaker 1>is different. Once you cross the line of saying yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I can actively kill someone for some kind of quality

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<v Speaker 1>of life reason, where do you stop? Where do you

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<v Speaker 1>draw the line? How do you define what is or

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<v Speaker 1>isn't a good quality of life? The slippery slope has

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<v Speaker 1>to happen. Slippery slope argument is not a logical fallacy

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to something like physician assistant suicide. Once

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<v Speaker 1>you have accepted the premise that you can actively kill someone,

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<v Speaker 1>including yourself, there is no stopping point anything that makes

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<v Speaker 1>someone say I don't if you say that someone should

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<v Speaker 1>die on the basis of some quality of life judgment,

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<v Speaker 1>on the John Girardi Show. The United Kingdom just legalized

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<v Speaker 1>has two little graphs, one for one cycle of chemotherapy

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<v Speaker 1>which costs three eighth and eighty five pounds, assisted suicide,

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<v Speaker 1>which costs one hundred eighty three pounds and that's it

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<v Speaker 1>right there. It is much cheaper. And this is a

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<v Speaker 1>up the enormous temptation that assisted suicide is going to propose.

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<v Speaker 1>For countries like the United Kingdom that have socialized medicine,

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<v Speaker 1>of life care, and that is its enormous risk. Most

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<v Speaker 1>of the healthcare resources that you are going to take

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<v Speaker 1>And we knew that my dad was likely was likely

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<v Speaker 1>knew that my dad certainly would have qualified for physician

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<v Speaker 1>assistant suicide at that point, and certainly it would have

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<v Speaker 1>saved everyone a lot of money if he had taken

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<v Speaker 1>for anything, And I know it was horribly difficult on

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<v Speaker 1>had all kinds of complications, especially towards those last months.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, he got to see my kids grow

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<v Speaker 1>one year older. He got to be with my kids

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<v Speaker 1>a little more. He got to see his grandson play

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<v Speaker 1>a flag football game. He you know, he got to

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<v Speaker 1>point I'm trying to make is from a public policy angle,

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<v Speaker 1>are hugely incentivized from a cost saving perspective to push

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's especially. I think that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>cataly care, they might start saying to people, the government's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to pay for your chemotherapy, but we will

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<v Speaker 1>pay for a physician assistant suicide. So it's going to start,

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<v Speaker 1>as you know, voluntary physician assistant suicide, and it's going

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<v Speaker 1>that direction. And that's why people with disabilities so often

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<v Speaker 1>When we return, all the worst people in American politics

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<v Speaker 1>of the last seventy two hours. That's next on the

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<v Speaker 1>John Girardi Show. All right, I want to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>Ron for a little bit and the way that Donald

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<v Speaker 1>on both sides of the should we shouldn't we get

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<v Speaker 1>really left or right, it's restrainers and interveners. And by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, this seems to be a conversation that's only

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<v Speaker 1>totally disengaged from the Iranian conflict, and I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>Trump does intervene, he's a horrible, escalating warmonger monster who

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<v Speaker 1>didn't go to Congress for congressional pproval or whatever. If

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<v Speaker 1>Trump doesn't intervene, then oh, he loves Iranian terrorists, and

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<v Speaker 1>leaning types like I don't know, maybe John Fetterman will

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<v Speaker 1>criticize him, or Chuck Schumer will. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>moderate liberals criticizing Trump for that. Anyway, the left seems

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<v Speaker 1>restrainers and you've got the interventionists, all right. The stupidest

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<v Speaker 1>at this point. And the anti interventionists who are just like,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not gonna die for another Israeli war is all right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's calm down. Israel was not the reason we intervened

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't actually fought any of Israel's wars. Israel has

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<v Speaker 1>long run. In many cases. I mean, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>do in various kinds of ways. Yes, I'm critical of

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<v Speaker 1>all those things, but I never veer into the kinds

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<v Speaker 1>for some of the stupider foreign policy ideas, the idea

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<v Speaker 1>Vladimir Putin's a bad guy. No one needs to dispute

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<v Speaker 1>that it's bad to invade other countries. Whether he was

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<v Speaker 1>be crying alligator tears for Vladimir Putin because countries in

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<v Speaker 1>Europe wanted to join NATO. Forget No, I'm sorry, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna feel bad for Vladimir Putin for starting a

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<v Speaker 1>He started that war. It's his fault anyway. So the

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<v Speaker 1>That ha, the President is ready to go. He's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>tax see you you all, you restrainer types. You thought

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<v Speaker 1>you had Donald Trump. You thought his foreign policy was

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's gonna bomb a run ha ha. And the super

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<v Speaker 1>interventionist types who have wanted regime change in Irun for forever,

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<v Speaker 1>and frankly, who doesn't want regime change in Iran. It's

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<v Speaker 1>And the restrainer types would say there's no way to

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<v Speaker 1>you know, support for whatever the Israelis are doing, to oh,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's regime change. And it gets to the point where

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<v Speaker 1>prior positions and adopts pretty much the entire Democrat Party

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<v Speaker 1>platform except the one thing he stayed consistent on is

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<v Speaker 1>his constant neocon desire to invade hot sandy countries in

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<v Speaker 1>the Middle East, and he has wanted to intervene in

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<v Speaker 1>Iran for decades. Crystal once it looked like so at first,

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<v Speaker 1>earlier in the week, it looked like, yeah, Trump was

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<v Speaker 1>about to launch airstrikes against I Run. Then a day

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<v Speaker 1>or two later, it looks like Trump wants to reopen

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<v Speaker 1>negotiations with the Iranians again. And now all of the

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<v Speaker 1>worst intervener neocon types now they're all mad at Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>And Crystal's basically saying, well, it's a constant move by

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<v Speaker 1>totalitarians that they want to shore up support at home

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<v Speaker 1>first before they do something, that their focus is always

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<v Speaker 1>on dominating things domestically. So apparently, according to Bill Crystal,

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<v Speaker 1>it's totalitarian to not want to topple a foreign regime.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what's really totalitarian. Now, the actual debate, I think

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<v Speaker 1>is between limited interventionists versus limited restrainers. There are limited

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<v Speaker 1>restrainers who say, all right, if there is a way,

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<v Speaker 1>have we determined there is a way to stop the

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<v Speaker 1>Iranian nuclear program through a limited American air strike perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>at the four Dow that all of the focuses on

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<v Speaker 1>this four Dow nuclear plant, that the Iranians have buried

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<v Speaker 1>two football fields down in the side of a mountain

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<v Speaker 1>underground that apparently the Israeli military ordinance their bombs can't reach.

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<v Speaker 1>But America has these so called bunkerbuster bombs that apparently

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<v Speaker 1>can reach it. So the thought is, either the United

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<v Speaker 1>States gives Israel some of these bombs, or the United

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<v Speaker 1>States itself launches such an attack, and if by doing

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<v Speaker 1>so ends the Iranian nuclear threat, the threat of Iran

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<v Speaker 1>getting a nuclear weapon, Okay, that could work, And I

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<v Speaker 1>think there are a lot of restrainer types who are

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<v Speaker 1>open to that idea. A lot of the restrainer types

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<v Speaker 1>are saying, look, yes, we agree, Iran having a nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>weapon is against the interests of the United States. Now

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<v Speaker 1>there are the limited restrainer type, the limited interventionist types

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<v Speaker 1>who are saying, look, we don't want full scale, like

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<v Speaker 1>twenty year long occupation of Iran, but the Iranian regime

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<v Speaker 1>is now all of a sudden extremely a ton of

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<v Speaker 1>their senior leadership has gone. It might be that we

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<v Speaker 1>know where the Ayatola Comania is. What if we took

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<v Speaker 1>necessary military action right now through airstrikes in such a

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<v Speaker 1>way that maybe we could kill Kamani and bring about

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<v Speaker 1>regime change, And that's tantalizing. Iran is the world's biggest

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<v Speaker 1>state sponsor of terrorism, has been for decades, has hated

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, has killed hundreds and hundreds of American

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<v Speaker 1>servicemen serving in Iraq. They fund all of the worst

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<v Speaker 1>actors in the Middle East, Hamas, the Houthies, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, uh, the horrible Assad regime in Syria, although

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<v Speaker 1>God knows if the new regime that toppled the Assad

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<v Speaker 1>regime in Syria is going to be any better. It's tantalizing.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be a good thing to not have the

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<v Speaker 1>Islamic Republic ruling in Iran. But this is where I

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<v Speaker 1>think I ultimately side with the restrainers. Yes, I would

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<v Speaker 1>love a magic ferry dust scenario of we topple the

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<v Speaker 1>current regime and then a new regime, fully formed organized

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<v Speaker 1>with the full support of the Iranian people, allegedly comes

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<v Speaker 1>to the forefront. Stably and the United States doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to do anything to prop it up. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna happen. No, I would predict this. If the

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<v Speaker 1>Iyatola is toppled and a new government comes in, Iran

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<v Speaker 1>is going to descend into civil war, and it'll be

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<v Speaker 1>in our national interest to support one side over the other.

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<v Speaker 1>And Russia might get involved for wanting to support one

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<v Speaker 1>side over another. And all of these interventionist neo con

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<v Speaker 1>types are all of a sudden gonna say we gotta

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<v Speaker 1>get involved. No, I don't want to get involved. I

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<v Speaker 1>am fine with doing the first Trump administration policy towards Iran,

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<v Speaker 1>completely cutting them off financially with sanctions so that they

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<v Speaker 1>can't export terror, they can't keep funding Hamas in the Hoothies,

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<v Speaker 1>cripple their nuclear weapons ambitions. That's fine. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>if you topple the regime, if we actually seek regime change,

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<v Speaker 1>it could lead to a much worse and more involved

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<v Speaker 1>situation that we're gonna have to get involved in because

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<v Speaker 1>the Europeans can't do it, and the only other country

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<v Speaker 1>that could credibly do it is Russia, and we don't

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<v Speaker 1>want them to have more influence in the Middle East

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<v Speaker 1>when we return. How oddly enough, the person I trust

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<v Speaker 1>the most in all of this is Donald Trump. Next

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<v Speaker 1>on the John Girardi Show. You know, in the whole

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<v Speaker 1>Iran debate that's happening on the right, where you have

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<v Speaker 1>interventionists who are like, oh, yes, we should push for

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<v Speaker 1>he should accomplish regime change, and then I think being

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<v Speaker 1>ridiculous about not thinking through, Well, you do realize there's

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<v Speaker 1>an enormous chance we get drawn into that. If there's

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<v Speaker 1>regime change, there's gonna be internal conflict in Iran. We

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<v Speaker 1>will obviously have an interest in supporting one side over

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<v Speaker 1>another side, and then we're gonna get drawn it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want us to get drawn in. Now in

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<v Speaker 1>that whole discussion, oddly enough, the one person I actually

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<v Speaker 1>trust the most in all of this is Donald Trump. Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>who absolutely does not want a twenty year Middle East

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<v Speaker 1>rebuilding project. He just does not, as much as he

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<v Speaker 1>wants to be strong and do something that's effective, and

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't want to run to have a nuke, he

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<v Speaker 1>also doesn't want that. So I'm actually out of anyone

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<v Speaker 1>in this whole debate, the crazy neocons on the one side,

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<v Speaker 1>the Candae Owen types on the other side. I trust

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<v Speaker 1>Trump more than anyone else that'll do it. John Girardi Show,

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<v Speaker 1>See you next time on Power Talk
