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My name is Jim Cummings and welcome 14 00:00:41.119 --> 00:00:41.880 to tuned In. 15 00:00:43.560 --> 00:00:45.799 Welcome back, everybody to another episode of Tuned In with 16 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:48.359 Jim Cummings. Today we have Roger Craig Smith joining us. 17 00:00:48.399 --> 00:00:49.439 Thank you so much for being here. 18 00:00:49.439 --> 00:00:52.960 Oh my goodness. Yes, and that's a lot of people going. 19 00:00:56.960 --> 00:00:59.399 No, no, it's good to see man. Thanks, thanks for 20 00:00:59.439 --> 00:00:59.880 being here. 21 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:03.200 As you said, nice to be seeing one another without like. Yes, 22 00:01:03.240 --> 00:01:05.239 the ship's passing in the night of a convention scene. 23 00:01:05.560 --> 00:01:06.040 That's right. 24 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:08.079 We do a lot of conventions, as I'm sure a 25 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:10.000 lot of you folks out there know, right. 26 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:12.439 Indeed, So that's what's happened. That's that's what he's talking about. 27 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:14.359 That's what I'm talking about. But today we're convening in 28 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:16.280 a whole new world. 29 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:21.159 Yes, oh it's too little song now, a little Disney, 30 00:01:21.239 --> 00:01:22.480 Little Disneyttle Disney. 31 00:01:22.640 --> 00:01:23.599 I know those dudes. 32 00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:25.599 Yes, do you Disney? 33 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:29.120 Yes, we are yeah, yeah and uh and so I'm 34 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:30.079 just glad you're hair man. 35 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:32.879 Thank you, very cool. That's great. I just left Snowy, 36 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:36.239 Idaho to come back to uh, to sunny SoCal and 37 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:37.959 I was like, yeah, why am I wearing jeans? 38 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:40.280 Yeah, Snowy and Idaho. Well that's where you live. 39 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:43.560 Yes, yes, moved twenty twenty so yeah, yeah you're there now, 40 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:45.439 but lived here my whole life up until that point. 41 00:01:45.560 --> 00:01:47.319 Wow, well that sounds like. 42 00:01:48.040 --> 00:01:52.519 Idaho outdoors, nice guys, Uh, dark skies, that kind of thing. 43 00:01:52.599 --> 00:01:56.000 So my my hobbies are like like photography, wildlie photography, 44 00:01:56.040 --> 00:01:58.640 but mostly like night skies and astrophotography and that kind 45 00:01:58.640 --> 00:02:00.640 of thing. And it was like trying to put that 46 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:02.840 the investment in time to get that to happen in 47 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:05.680 southern California was like all right, well I'll just hop 48 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:07.239 in the car and drive four hours to get to 49 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:08.439 like some skys. 50 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:11.599 Yeah. Yeah, it's funny because I thought you said nice guys, 51 00:02:11.599 --> 00:02:12.800 and I was to get well, I. 52 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:14.520 Mean, okay, I'm sure they are. 53 00:02:14.840 --> 00:02:19.360 There's got to be a decent couples in La Night Skiest, 54 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:21.520 one of which that's good. 55 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:23.599 Yeah. So no, it was that and then the pandemic. 56 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:25.360 And at that point I had bought up there in 57 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:28.039 twenty eleven and was thinking, oh, someday, retirement, that kind 58 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:29.639 of thing. And then the pandemic hit and we started 59 00:02:29.639 --> 00:02:31.400 doing a lot of work from home, and I was 60 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:33.080 already set up and I thought, man, I'll never get 61 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:35.439 an opportunity like this again. So yeah, so far, so good. 62 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:37.080 But then of course I'm back down here too and 63 00:02:37.120 --> 00:02:38.800 for this week, and you know, it's like it's but 64 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:40.199 it's a much easier place to kind of come and 65 00:02:40.199 --> 00:02:43.520 go now, you know, people move there, so yeah, yeah, 66 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:45.120 more flights and that kind of thing, so it's good. 67 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:47.879 Oh that's good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that helps. I had 68 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:49.840 a place in Missouri and it was like one. 69 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:52.840 Airport, yeah, and one flight a day. 70 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:53.159 Yeah. 71 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:56.360 That would get cancer, right and then yeah, and don't 72 00:02:56.400 --> 00:02:59.039 miss it, yeah, because oh. 73 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:01.680 Yeah, for you in small towns. But yeah, so no more, 74 00:03:01.759 --> 00:03:04.080 you don't have the Missouri place, No, not anymore. 75 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:07.919 Okay, I just visited it, yeah recently, which was interesting. 76 00:03:08.199 --> 00:03:11.479 But be that as it may. But I'm glad you're. 77 00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:13.240 Here, buddy, Thank you, so thank you, thank you for 78 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:13.520 having me. 79 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:16.639 And we're gonna end up having to tell everybody before 80 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:18.759 all said and done, if you've got anything coming up 81 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:21.000 where they should go and see you cool, you know, 82 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:23.319 be at convention or now. 83 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:28.159 Now. So, I mean, like social media, as we both know, 84 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:31.800 is everything. So I've just started Blue Sky just trying 85 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:33.840 to figure that out. Just is to be like another thing. 86 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:37.400 It's it's it's a political It's mostly just kind of 87 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:39.319 like X and Twitter. Getting to the point where I 88 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:41.319 was like, for the longest time, I've been finding myself going, 89 00:03:41.319 --> 00:03:42.680 do I want to be doing this? Do I want 90 00:03:42.680 --> 00:03:42.960 to be? What? 91 00:03:43.039 --> 00:03:43.400 Even is? 92 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:44.639 What is that? I've never heard of that one? 93 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:47.039 It's Blue Sky's like another it's a it's just another alternative. 94 00:03:47.039 --> 00:03:48.719 I guess it was one of the original founders of 95 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:51.840 Twitter went over years ago and started this and then 96 00:03:52.039 --> 00:03:54.840 so it's it's sort of like retaining what Twitter was 97 00:03:54.919 --> 00:03:57.520 essentially meant to be like all along kind of like 98 00:03:57.560 --> 00:04:00.719 short form communications, you being able to sort of curate 99 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:02.560 what you're looking for and that kind of thing, as 100 00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:05.039 opposed to these algorithms kind of shoving it as like 101 00:04:05.080 --> 00:04:07.919 truth social I have no idea. I mean honestly, I 102 00:04:07.960 --> 00:04:10.039 have no It's like don't I don't want to know. 103 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:12.439 I don't want to know. It's weird to have to 104 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:13.759 like think about like what do I need to know 105 00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:15.560 about Twitter or x or you know, what do I 106 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:17.720 need to know about Instagram and threads? And do what 107 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:21.000 I need to know? Yeah, and how how quickly we 108 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:23.480 went from as an industry you've got to have this 109 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:26.240 to yeah, maybe maybe not so much because it can 110 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:29.040 represent almost like a liability now, like you know, one 111 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:32.199 actor can take down an entire production because of something 112 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:34.160 they mouthed off on that kind of thing. But so 113 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:38.519 to answer your question, Twitter and and now Blue Sky 114 00:04:38.680 --> 00:04:41.360 and Instagram is where I'm at, and it's all at 115 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:45.759 Roger Craigsmith just all one word and uh. And then 116 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:47.800 I have a website but I run it myself and 117 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:51.959 it's kind of embarrassingly like bad. There is data there 118 00:04:52.040 --> 00:04:54.560 I suppose I haven't updated in probably about five years, but. 119 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:57.839 I got kicked off or production for social media. Yeah, 120 00:04:57.879 --> 00:04:59.879 I was working on Lost in Space. I was doing 121 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:01.480 on Lost in Space. 122 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:03.519 Like crops and they kicked you off. 123 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:06.920 Netflix reboot and they did they like converted this. I 124 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:09.519 never actually watched the show, but they converted this like 125 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:13.160 huge tractor trailer into a spaceship. They took the frame 126 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:15.399 of the tractor trailer and then they made like this 127 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:17.759 big like it looked like a Mars rover, you know. 128 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:20.439 And we were on lunch break one day and I 129 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:22.040 was like, oh, I got to take a picture of this. 130 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:24.199 So I take a picture posing in front of it. 131 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:28.759 And that was the last day of shooting production and 132 00:05:28.879 --> 00:05:30.839 I got up. I had to go to LA that day. 133 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:33.319 That was up in Vancouver, and so I post a 134 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:36.000 picture and I just said on another planet, you know. 135 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:40.480 I didn't tag like yeah. I went production. 136 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:42.800 Within like twenty minutes, they were like, what are you 137 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:45.839 doing posting that? Take it down right now? You're done? 138 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:46.959 Like what? 139 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:47.920 Wow? 140 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:49.360 And then I was like, well, I'm on a plane 141 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:51.120 right now, like I'll take it down. But like they 142 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:53.160 wanted me to like come into the office and like 143 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:55.319 talk to me. And then I was like yeah, like 144 00:05:55.319 --> 00:05:56.560 I'm going to la right now. 145 00:05:56.639 --> 00:05:58.519 I was assuming it was something you'd said, as you know, 146 00:05:58.519 --> 00:06:00.879 and like they were following, like you're saying, I can't 147 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:02.920 even believe they found that picture. That's crazy. 148 00:06:03.480 --> 00:06:05.600 Like I didn't follow anybody on that crew, you know, 149 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:09.040 like I didn't. I was like a day Yeah, I wasn't, 150 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:11.199 Like I was like a day player pos you know. 151 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:13.879 Like that's crazy. Yeah, I wonder about THO where I 152 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:15.959 think that's why. It's like now I just find it funny. 153 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:17.079 It's like you go, yeah, it can all be. 154 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:19.879 You never signed an NDA. I never signed an NDA. 155 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:23.160 Oh wow yeah yeah that's right. You're done. 156 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:28.920 Yeah, they're just like, yeah we're not again, like wow, yeah. 157 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:29.480 Oh man, give me a break. 158 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:30.759 Yeah, no kidding. 159 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:32.079 They said, do you ever want to work for Warner 160 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:34.199 Brothers over again? I said it only if you cast me. 161 00:06:34.519 --> 00:06:38.079 Yeah that's a good answer. Yeah, don't cast me as 162 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:39.079 a good answer. 163 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:39.560 Yeah. 164 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:42.759 No, it's a crazy, it's a crazy. It's it's it's 165 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:44.879 I hate even having to have these discussions like with 166 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:48.800 other grown ups. You know. It's like it's. 167 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:50.759 Funny to me. I think people take just life in 168 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:51.759 general too seriously. 169 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:55.680 Yeah, you know, yeah, that's a hallmark of so many people. 170 00:06:55.879 --> 00:06:58.480 Yeah. Yeah, well I'm offended by what you just said. 171 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:03.360 So yeah, thank you. No I cancel this show? Yeah yeah, no, 172 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:06.120 it's it's there. So social media that's where I promote 173 00:07:06.120 --> 00:07:07.639 most of my stuff. And I think, I think I 174 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:09.360 have a YouTube, but I don't know that I monitor 175 00:07:09.399 --> 00:07:11.279 it or doing anything. It's just like I don't know. 176 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:14.560 I like it's funny, like like I'm sure if you're 177 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:16.639 like me, it's like you just go, look, we're only 178 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:18.199 as good as the last thing we did, or as 179 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:20.120 good as the audition that we're submitting, that kind of thing. 180 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:21.399 And I look at it like if I've got to 181 00:07:21.439 --> 00:07:23.240 have all this like window decoration for you to want 182 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:24.680 to consider me, then what am I doing? 183 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:25.079 Yeah? 184 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:26.879 You know, I just feel like they don't work for 185 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:27.519 that kind of a feel. 186 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:29.759 They've kind of moved away from that already though, Like 187 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:31.600 it seemed like in the early twenty tens like they 188 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:34.399 were really like gung ho on, like what's your following? 189 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:36.519 You know, blah blah blah, And then they started castro 190 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:39.680 social media influencers and then they realized it didn't really 191 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:42.439 make a difference and who was coming to see because 192 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:44.160 people want to see. If you're used to seeing somebody 193 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:45.720 on your phone, you want to see them on your phone. 194 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:47.519 You don't want to go to the theater. And then 195 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:50.040 like that's a whole different thing for free, you know, 196 00:07:50.079 --> 00:07:52.920 like I don't I don't follow you because you act, 197 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:55.240 you know, like I follow you for whatever you do 198 00:07:55.399 --> 00:07:56.360 you do, and now. 199 00:07:56.240 --> 00:07:59.240 You're boxing videos. I don't want to hear your take 200 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:02.519 on like you know, animated character, right, which is just 201 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:03.279 your voice. 202 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:05.439 Yeah, yeah, but I'm glad to see that. It's kind 203 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:07.720 of like, at least in my opinion, kind of shifted 204 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:08.279 away from that. 205 00:08:08.480 --> 00:08:08.680 Yeah. 206 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:11.560 Yeah, that doesn't really matter, you know, I think, yeah, 207 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:12.480 maybe much to this point. 208 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:15.680 That's that's the key phrase. It doesn't really matter, Yeah, 209 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:17.600 because it doesn't. 210 00:08:17.639 --> 00:08:19.759 And you know, these days, all they're thinking about is profits, 211 00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:22.160 Like they're just thinking about how can we, you know, 212 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:24.720 use this to make more money, how can we get 213 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:25.560 more butts inside? 214 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:31.759 I think, yeah, profits, we're all capitalists here. 215 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:32.840 Yeah. 216 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:35.639 Do you were you a theater kid growing up? 217 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:38.080 I was, I mean, I mean sort of, I mean 218 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:40.759 I wasn't like I did musical youth artists Repertory theater, 219 00:08:40.799 --> 00:08:42.960 which is based on in I want to say they're 220 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:45.080 Long Beach now, but it was. It was we'll just 221 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:47.440 call it southern California. So as a little kid, I 222 00:08:47.480 --> 00:08:50.039 mean like I mean, I technically my first role was 223 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:52.360 in like a Charlotte's Web as school. 224 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:53.000 What was it? 225 00:08:53.240 --> 00:08:55.960 So it's funny, it's like if I if so, I'm 226 00:08:55.960 --> 00:08:58.120 playing with it here because it was Charlotte's Web, but 227 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:00.960 Grand Grand Avenue Elementary think was where this was down 228 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:04.080 in Orange County, which is where I grew up, and 229 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:06.080 and it was it was one of those preschool plays 230 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:08.240 where it's like the kids just walk around and outfits 231 00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:11.879 but nobody says anything. Oh sure, yeah, the teacher plays piano. 232 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:16.279 And the parents are sitting there in this day and age, 233 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:19.600 just holding it, holding out there doing selfies for their 234 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:20.559 Instagram accounts. 235 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:23.600 No, so it was. And then they had one line 236 00:09:23.600 --> 00:09:27.240 and I think it was like the mayor says, misters, 237 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:30.320 is it Zuckerman Zoocker. I can't remember the character from 238 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:40.000 Charlotte's Web, the big Farmer. Oh Zuckerman. I feel like that, yeah, this, oh, 239 00:09:40.039 --> 00:09:42.360 this is terrible. All right. I went right to James 240 00:09:42.360 --> 00:09:43.120 and the Giant Peach. 241 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:44.080 That's the wrong show. 242 00:09:44.240 --> 00:09:47.440 And I went to Smuckers, like, you know, Smuckers, it's 243 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:51.279 too early. Sorry not early, so no, but I think 244 00:09:51.279 --> 00:09:53.159 it was like some line they wanted one of the 245 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:54.919 kids to say this line, and you got to have 246 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:57.799 a microphone, and so they for whatever reason, maybe I 247 00:09:57.879 --> 00:09:59.360 was the goofball or something like that, they handed me. 248 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:02.279 I was like four five at the post and it's 249 00:10:02.279 --> 00:10:05.919 like mister Zuckerman or mister zucker or mister Smucker's you're 250 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:08.559 going to the fair. That was the line. And I 251 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:10.399 probably yelled it into the mic and got a big 252 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:11.879 laugh out of it, you know, and I was like, 253 00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:15.000 I like this, yeah, And then it was just being 254 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:17.120 a ball like like kind of making my friends laugh, 255 00:10:17.159 --> 00:10:19.960 that kind of thing. And then around middle school went 256 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:22.720 and took a theater program, and it was it was 257 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:24.360 just something that you would do like throughout the summer 258 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:26.600 and you put on a production all the all the 259 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:31.360 typical like lame is Little Abner, sound of music, you know, uh, 260 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:33.240 wishard of Az like all that stuff. 261 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:37.080 I did Little I did Little Abner and and uh 262 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:37.559 I was. 263 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:40.000 Mary and Sam. Oh, Mary and Sam. 264 00:10:40.600 --> 00:10:45.960 I love that Mary insane, yeah yeah, and Annie and Annie. 265 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:46.679 That was another one. 266 00:10:47.240 --> 00:10:49.679 Gosh, yeah, that that that was those were good old times. 267 00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:50.039 Yeah. 268 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:52.720 I was wolf in Sound of Music and uh oh 269 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:54.840 yeah I was. I was a little like you. I 270 00:10:54.879 --> 00:10:57.759 was seen going on you know, yes, yeah exactly. 271 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:01.279 It was born and sold lphin. That is why they 272 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:01.559 called me. 273 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:06.120 Well that was another one that was uh no, it 274 00:11:06.159 --> 00:11:11.000 wasn't blazing Saddles time. Okay, there you go, and Germany 275 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:15.039 justonging all over the map period today. 276 00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:17.360 They didn't They didn't have us kids do that one, no, 277 00:11:17.399 --> 00:11:20.440 which would have been great actually yeah producers, right, yeah, 278 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:21.799 it would have been controversial. 279 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:22.159 But yeah. 280 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:24.679 So I got involved in my art and and then 281 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:26.960 it was fun because that was where I started to realize, Okay, 282 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:29.360 now just being a goofball can be channeled into something. 283 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:32.639 And it was like, oh, I like I was funny. 284 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:36.919 So uh the the I could not dance. I could sing, 285 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:42.080 but I couldn't dance. I hated dancing. Yeah, it's I 286 00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:45.440 don't dance. I'm in the band. Yeah exactly that you 287 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:49.679 can't do it. The drummers can keep the timing, they 288 00:11:49.679 --> 00:11:52.600 just can't dance to it. Yeah, and so yeah, it 289 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:54.360 was like one of those things, right, I would ask 290 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:56.039 the director, like all the time, like, can I guys 291 00:11:56.120 --> 00:11:58.320 get out? I feel like this is where Pappy yoakum, 292 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:00.200 Like it was one of the characters I did, like 293 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:03.519 the grandpa or the dad I should say. I was like, well, 294 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:05.080 what if? What if? What if he just kind of 295 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:07.279 left the stage during this dance number. It's like I 296 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:09.960 feel like he'd go and and till some soil or something. 297 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:12.720 You know, it's top a squad exactly. It's like nature 298 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:14.480 calls for Pappy dance number. 299 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:16.879 He's got a tilt, he has to look out for doubt. 300 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:19.519 I would think, yeah, without a doubt, how could he? Yeah, 301 00:12:19.639 --> 00:12:20.080 man's got. 302 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:21.840 Work to do. So it was things like that, and 303 00:12:21.879 --> 00:12:23.600 it was but it was really helping me kind of 304 00:12:23.639 --> 00:12:26.320 like like realize, oh, this is a viable thing, I guess. 305 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:30.279 And I enjoyed being funny. I enjoyed doing and ad 306 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:32.120 libbing and improving and all that kind of stuff. And 307 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:35.840 then high school theater arts, doing theater in high school, 308 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:39.879 and then post that it was more about like having 309 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:43.159 been completely directionless in my early twenties and having no 310 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:45.840 clue what I was going to do, join garage bands 311 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:49.639 and do stuff like that and uh, and then discovering 312 00:12:49.639 --> 00:12:52.480 stand up comedy, comedy as a as a sort of 313 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:54.360 an attempt at something. 314 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:56.320 And see, that's the scariest thing in the world. 315 00:12:56.519 --> 00:12:58.559 We were just talking about that right before the show. 316 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:00.279 We were saying, stand up is like one of the 317 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:01.600 scariest things ever. 318 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:05.799 Got to be like, and yet you don't bomb bomb 319 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:08.720 Oh god, yeah, bomb you have to. I mean, like, 320 00:13:08.759 --> 00:13:10.440 how do you appreciate it if you don't. If you 321 00:13:10.440 --> 00:13:12.159 don't have you know, your highs are only as good 322 00:13:12.159 --> 00:13:15.200 as your lows. Yeah, yeah, it's do you remember any 323 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:15.679 of your jokes? 324 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:16.120 You're set? 325 00:13:17.240 --> 00:13:22.720 So everybody hey going out there, Hey, hey, where are 326 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:25.360 my drinkers at? You know about that local sports team, 327 00:13:25.399 --> 00:13:29.080 you know that voices like the thing. So the irony 328 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:31.120 of this whole situation, like to be sitting here next 329 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:34.399 to you right now. For me like this many years later, 330 00:13:34.879 --> 00:13:38.639 is me getting into my twenties calling my old high 331 00:13:38.639 --> 00:13:41.000 school theater arts instructor Jan Laurie, who is this amazing 332 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:43.120 human being colin her, I'm going, hey, I'm thinking about 333 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:45.240 doing this thing. She's like, oh, you were always my 334 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:47.639 little Robin Williams. That was what she would like a 335 00:13:47.799 --> 00:13:50.320 high praise right like that, That's pretty good. I'm like, 336 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:52.799 I'll take that. Yeah, yeah, I disagree, but I'll take that. 337 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:55.000 And she said, you know yeah, I can't wait to 338 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:56.799 see what you've got and what I showed up. So 339 00:13:56.879 --> 00:13:59.519 I met her after school, went back to my old 340 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:00.600 high school, met her. 341 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:02.879 Oh yeah, so she was kind of giving you tips 342 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:04.320 and the men watch me. 343 00:14:04.480 --> 00:14:06.840 She was gonna, Oh, so I just did my stand 344 00:14:06.919 --> 00:14:08.759 up act in front of my old high school theater 345 00:14:08.840 --> 00:14:12.559 arts instructor and wow, and she ands, we get done, 346 00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:15.159 and she's like, the kids at all left the school. 347 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:16.879 I was in the you know, at the little theater, 348 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:19.279 and we get we do this thing. I just do 349 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:20.919 my stand up in front of one human being who 350 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:21.360 I trust. 351 00:14:21.519 --> 00:14:22.360 Oh, that's perfect. 352 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:24.799 Immensely she gets done, she goes, you want me to 353 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:26.279 be nice, You don't want me to be honest. I 354 00:14:27.639 --> 00:14:30.159 was like, honest, that's what I'm here for. She said, 355 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:33.360 where are your characters? She's like, you always did voices, 356 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:36.919 you always became these characters. And that's what she's like, 357 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:39.600 you just did observational stand up comedy. Anybody can do that. 358 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:41.840 I don't know what you're why you're wasting it, she said, 359 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:44.600 So instead of talking about it inhabit the character and 360 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:47.279 let us laugh with you. And that was the most 361 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:49.639 sage advice because that was what I became more known for. 362 00:14:49.720 --> 00:14:53.080 I think that's got to be doing characters and voices 363 00:14:53.080 --> 00:14:55.279 and acts. And I had an act. I wasn't a 364 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:57.960 let me eat l a comic, open up the newspaper 365 00:14:57.960 --> 00:14:59.799 and start riffing, or you know, no pad on the 366 00:14:59.840 --> 00:15:01.039 t able kind of thing. I was like, I was 367 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:04.000 going to entertain, and so I would do voices and 368 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:06.080 characters in my act, and more and more the industry 369 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:07.720 kept hearing that and going are you in a radio 370 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:09.639 or what do you do? Like? Are you a are 371 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:10.159 you a voiceover? 372 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:10.320 Game? 373 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:12.720 Like, I don't know, there's never a viable option for me. 374 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:15.559 So is that what led into your voice acting career? Question? 375 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:16.840 Understand up got to be right? 376 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:19.799 Yeah? Wow, how did that transpire? So about five years 377 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:22.279 in we were trying out for the Aspen Comedy Festival 378 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:23.799 and it was a showcase show that we were doing 379 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:24.879 down a nerve. 380 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:27.960 When you say you were referring to just I would come. 381 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:29.440 Like the Orange County Brats, Like we were like a 382 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:31.480 little Orange County scene that was kind of just we 383 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:33.440 all knew each other, we were all doing all the 384 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:36.559 bringer rooms doing all the like all the workout rooms, 385 00:15:36.559 --> 00:15:39.440 all that stuff, you know, like oh god, Chester Drawers bar, 386 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:41.960 like like all these different places now like Newport Beach 387 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:43.399 and like you know, and we would do corporate gigs 388 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:45.200 in Orange County, that kind of thing. We all knew 389 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:48.320 one another. But Jeff Jenna, who is still doing stand 390 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:50.200 up comedy, and like, I want to see he's in Ohio. 391 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:52.360 I'm gonna get that wrong in apologies if if Jeff 392 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:55.720 happens to see this, but Jeff Jenna was, yeah, I 393 00:15:55.879 --> 00:15:59.639 don't doubt he's Jeff. What a huge Jeff. Shout out 394 00:15:59.679 --> 00:16:00.000 to Jeff. 395 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:00.679 All Right. 396 00:16:01.919 --> 00:16:05.000 He was the house MC and the manager of the 397 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:07.200 Improvent Irvine at the time, and he was one of 398 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:10.159 those rare like folks that would just he felt like 399 00:16:10.200 --> 00:16:12.480 we got a foster young talent, and so he would 400 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:15.720 seek like young comics in Ron County and give us 401 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:19.679