Speaker 1: Now one of your pudding. I got a string going
Speaker 1: on here, something just because my dog. Something killed your dog.
Speaker 1: My dog. We're flying through the air over the tree.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: How it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm really confused.
Speaker 1: All I saw was my dog.
Speaker 3: Coming over the fence and he was dead.
Speaker 1: And once you hit the ground, like, I didn't see
Speaker 1: any cars. All I saw was my dog coming over
Speaker 1: the fence.
Speaker 4: Sat what are you putting?
Speaker 1: We got some wonder or something crawling around out here?
Speaker 3: Did you see what it was?
Speaker 2: Or was it was?
Speaker 1: Standing up? I'm out here looking through the window now
Speaker 1: and I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside.
Speaker 1: Jesus Quice, you better hello, get somebody out here when
Speaker 1: I'm out there. I thought of a bitch about Text
Speaker 1: fort nine.
Speaker 3: I don't know he's him out there. Yeah, I'm working right, Hey, right,
Speaker 3: folks on, welcome my guest to the show. It is
Speaker 3: Jason from my home state of North Carolina. Welcome to
Speaker 3: the show, man.
Speaker 1: How you doing.
Speaker 3: I am good man. I've been looking forward to this conversation.
Speaker 3: I always like to have people on from the Southeastern
Speaker 3: United States. That's why Sasquatch Odyssey was born was to
Speaker 3: talk to people in the southeastern United States about Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: Here we are, man, let's start where I start with
Speaker 3: everybody on the show what in the world got you
Speaker 3: interested in the subject of Sasquatch?
Speaker 1: To begin with, I'm gonna go with what everyone always
Speaker 1: starts with, the whole Leonard Nimoy in search of That's
Speaker 1: my first memory in all honesty, and it went up
Speaker 1: to Robert Stack and unsolved mysteries. I know he had
Speaker 1: a couple. It's just a creepy soob no matter what
Speaker 1: episode he was gone getting up in my high school years.
Speaker 1: From what my grandmother has told me, what we'll talk
Speaker 1: about here, Rag Sheet, the Weekly World News. If you
Speaker 1: remember those, you know, bat Boy, Sad Squatch, Netsy. I
Speaker 1: always took those with a greenish salt, bigger their faith.
Speaker 1: But then when you watched Men in Black, they said
Speaker 1: they got their good UFO stories and they were real.
Speaker 1: So part of me was always like, is there some
Speaker 1: reality mixed in with their little government disinformation? And then
Speaker 1: I watched more documentaries probably than I should, probably an
Speaker 1: unhealthy amount. On to be and everywhere else.
Speaker 3: That sounds like the progression for everybody that was into
Speaker 3: big Foot very much like me. I never really watched
Speaker 3: the Leonard Nimoy in search of that is usually a
Speaker 3: go to for people, and I'm oblivious to it. I'm
Speaker 3: aware of it, obviously. I do multiple podcasts. I do
Speaker 3: a show called Disturbing History, and I've talked about those
Speaker 3: things over on Disturbing History, the old television shows and
Speaker 3: those kind of things. But Unsolved Mysteries was definitely it
Speaker 3: for me. NeSSI was my first love, my first cryptid,
Speaker 3: even before Bigfoot, so that certainly got me interested in
Speaker 3: it back then. I don't know if it was the
Speaker 3: same for you, But when I was a kid, I
Speaker 3: remember they had these traveling book things that would come
Speaker 3: to the library and you were able to buy books
Speaker 3: from these traveling bookstores. I used to love those things
Speaker 3: because they had a lot of the cryptid stuff that
Speaker 3: wasn't normally in our library on a regular basis. But
Speaker 3: we did have a few of those, and that's what
Speaker 3: got me interested in cryptis you mentioned your grandmother her
Speaker 3: having some experiences or sharing things with you. Did that
Speaker 3: ground it a little bit more in reality? As far
Speaker 3: as what your grandmother.
Speaker 1: Told you grounded me and scared me. I don't remember
Speaker 1: how old I was when she told me about it.
Speaker 1: I remember when I would spend the night at her house.
Speaker 1: She lived in a duplex, so anytime the neighbor would
Speaker 1: walk around heavy footage, I'd think him bigfoot. I'm eight nine,
Speaker 1: ten years old, terrified with some big fricking hairy man
Speaker 1: that's going to come through the wall, because she had
Speaker 1: to keep calling him bigfoot.
Speaker 3: What is it that she shared with you? Was it
Speaker 3: a personal experience or was it something that's happened to
Speaker 3: somebody else that shared it with her?
Speaker 1: It is going to be a mix of both. So
Speaker 1: I'll start off with her own personal experience from what
Speaker 1: she had told me. Again, I don't remember how old
Speaker 1: I was, in all honesty, just I know I was
Speaker 1: a kid, and I don't know how old she was
Speaker 1: when it happened. So this happened up in New York, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: We give her Finchow State Park, which is south central Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: Her and my aunt, Aunt Bett's, we called her. She
Speaker 1: wasn't biologically my aunt, but we would all go camping
Speaker 1: so much throughout life that just naturally became the aunt.
Speaker 1: But they used to go camping a lot. So I'm
Speaker 1: going to assume this probably happened before I was born
Speaker 1: or shortly after, but they were camping there time of
Speaker 1: the year, I don't know. I'm going to assume the
Speaker 1: way she described things with me, probably spring, late summer.
Speaker 1: They were there camping a a fairly decent sized campground.
Speaker 1: When you go into the ranger station, you go in
Speaker 1: and check in. The first road to the left would
Speaker 1: be your first camping area. It's on the left side
Speaker 1: of the lake, goes back, circles into a loop, and
Speaker 1: then meets that road and comes out, and you go
Speaker 1: down to the next road, come out to the main
Speaker 1: road again, and there's a whole other camping section back
Speaker 1: in there. So they were camping on that first one.
Speaker 1: She didn't say how many days they were there or whatever,
Speaker 1: but they were out at the campfire one night and
Speaker 1: heard some kind of vocalization. They weren't sure really what
Speaker 1: it was initially that she said it just started faint
Speaker 1: from kind of like howling the way she made it
Speaker 1: out the sound, and then as the night went on
Speaker 1: again no real time frame or if she didn't tell me,
Speaker 1: I just don't remember all them old she said they
Speaker 1: could hear it getting closer. Dogs were barking off in
Speaker 1: the distance, and as it got closer and closer, the
Speaker 1: dogs would stop barking. She said it was loud enough
Speaker 1: and a creepy enough sound that they'd never heard before
Speaker 1: with all their time camping. That they were like, you
Speaker 1: know what, let's get in the camper. This is just
Speaker 1: creeping us out. So they got inside the camper. The
Speaker 1: sound continued to get closer, to the point where she
Speaker 1: said that all of the night sounds went away. So
Speaker 1: being by the light there and you got your frogs,
Speaker 1: your crickets, night birds, the dogs in the area. But
Speaker 1: as this occasional vocalization got closer, everything went silent. They
Speaker 1: were like, that's pretty creepy. Then she said, out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: they heard what sounded like heavy footballs running through that
Speaker 1: part of the campground. Now how close it was, I
Speaker 1: don't know. She made it out to sound like it
Speaker 1: was between them and the bath foul, which was probably
Speaker 1: because they liked to be a couple sites close to
Speaker 1: the bath house. Two three sites between them and the bathouse.
Speaker 1: They heard it run through there, no panting that I
Speaker 1: remember saying, just the the sound of something flooding through
Speaker 1: the grass. And then they can't play the felt, and
Speaker 1: then off to the left side of the lake where
Speaker 1: they heard one or two more of the howling or yelling, screaming.
Speaker 1: Then it faded off into nowhere and the sound came back.
Speaker 1: She said, a couple of years later, Hurt and my
Speaker 1: aunt went to I don't know what they've called it then.
Speaker 1: I can't even think of what we call them now,
Speaker 1: big Foot conference, steminar, or something along those lines. I
Speaker 1: didn't even think they would have had those back then,
Speaker 1: but I'm ignorant to it. But they were there and
Speaker 1: somebody had some kind of audio recording, whether it was
Speaker 1: the Sierra Sound or some other recordings, but they played
Speaker 1: the recording whatever they had, and one of the sounds
Speaker 1: that they had played was very close to the howling
Speaker 1: that they heard, and she said they both turned to
Speaker 1: each other turned white, and she said, we were going
Speaker 1: to piss her pants. She said, we are a bigfoot.
Speaker 1: I'm like lucky dog. And that's really her only encounter
Speaker 1: that I want to call it an encounter, but the
Speaker 1: only experience that she's ever had. Now. She did patron
Speaker 1: to me again at a later age that her brother
Speaker 1: he lived beside her, and the other deep like him
Speaker 1: and his wife. He was fishing in the Iola area
Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania, which is directly across pretty much directly across
Speaker 1: the river from Harrisburg, state capital. So you got Harrisburg
Speaker 1: the Susquehanna River. It was a pretty big railyard over
Speaker 1: the railroad town. He was fishing in a creek called
Speaker 1: the Conna the Gwynnett, which is a tributary of the Susquehanna.
Speaker 1: It's pretty good fishing up and there for panfish, small
Speaker 1: mouth bast and stuff. So he was down along the
Speaker 1: creek trying to make his way up the creek, and
Speaker 1: he got into some real thick brush and was trying
Speaker 1: to work his way through that. She said. He told
Speaker 1: her that he started smelling something horrible, to the point
Speaker 1: that he figgered, you either stumbling on a dead deer
Speaker 1: or a dead person, that's how bad it smelt. Apparently,
Speaker 1: he pushed through the brush a little bit more and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden something jumped out of the brush,
Speaker 1: and all he described it was some hairy, disheveled, homeless
Speaker 1: looking thing jumped up out of the brush and tore
Speaker 1: off up the hill. Now, the hills in that general
Speaker 1: area where she described it aren't just your twenty foot
Speaker 1: hills that you could easily traverse. They were a decent
Speaker 1: forty fifty foot bank that are generally only walked on
Speaker 1: by a deer coming down from the field. If you
Speaker 1: wanted to walk along the creek the fish, you had
Speaker 1: to find one of those deer trails to go down
Speaker 1: in or started wherever you park along the road and
Speaker 1: walk along the creek. This thing supposedly made a bee
Speaker 1: line straight up the hill. I'm imagining if no general
Speaker 1: human that is going to make a bee line up
Speaker 1: through thick underbrush woods, because that place was pretty overgrown
Speaker 1: back then, and it still is now. Leaks down along
Speaker 1: the creek there, it's still pretty overgrown now. We'll caveat
Speaker 1: with that. He either was just starting in the police
Speaker 1: department or already was in the police department. I don't
Speaker 1: remember if it was East Pennsboro Township then or it
Speaker 1: was actually Vianola Police department. But when I had questioned
Speaker 1: him about it, I remember questioning him my youth, He
Speaker 1: wouldn't talk about it. What did you see that day?
Speaker 1: I was interested. Mama said she saw or heard a
Speaker 1: big foot, So tell me your story, he said, don't
Speaker 1: worry about it. It was nothing, just some guy. I've
Speaker 1: pushed him and pushed him for it, and he wouldn't
Speaker 1: tell me. My only reasoning that he wouldn't tell me
Speaker 1: because the fact that he was a cop and did
Speaker 1: not want to ruin his credibility for back then, if
Speaker 1: a cop says they saw bigfoot, now everyone's going to
Speaker 1: make fun of um. So you're looking. However, many years ago,
Speaker 1: decades ago, someone says they saw big but they're gonna
Speaker 1: be like crazy, get out of here. It's gonna need to
Speaker 1: be a cop. I never asked them about it again,
Speaker 1: he passed away, never really talked about it. I wish
Speaker 1: I could have heard more. I really do so as
Speaker 1: far as those two, that's really about it. But that
Speaker 1: squats I have heard my own. I consider myself a
Speaker 1: critical thinker, so I try to overthink everything and say,
Speaker 1: there's got to be some real, something real happened to it.
Speaker 1: But part of this I don't know if they would
Speaker 1: play into it. But there was a period of my
Speaker 1: life that I lived in Surrey. After me and my
Speaker 1: then wife lit up, I had the house where we
Speaker 1: lived in Missouri was rural, to say the least, I
Speaker 1: think western North Carolina is more grown up than where
Speaker 1: this place is. Our county roads are creek gravel, and
Speaker 1: only paved roads are the state roads or in the
Speaker 1: town itself. There was only one real big town in
Speaker 1: this whole county. So the house we lived in, my
Speaker 1: closest neighbors were a half a mile to the north,
Speaker 1: quarter a mile to the south. I had absolutely no
Speaker 1: neighbors behind my house and absolutely no neighbors at the
Speaker 1: front of the house. So on occasion I would hear
Speaker 1: a random donkey brain in the middle of the night. Now,
Speaker 1: being in the country, we're going to have donkeys, especially Missouri.
Speaker 1: Missouri uses a donkey. A lot of people use the
Speaker 1: donkey that livestock guards versus the Great Pyrenees. And I
Speaker 1: had to question that one, and they said, a donkey
Speaker 1: bolt trump a snot out of it. I said, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll have to believe you. But every once in a
Speaker 1: while I'd hear this donkey. Never during the day, but
Speaker 1: during the day i'd get out, I'd go down to
Speaker 1: the next county road eventually run behind my house, and
Speaker 1: I would search for any kind of farm where there
Speaker 1: may be a donkey. I couldn't find it now doesn't
Speaker 1: mean some yokel didn't have a small pen with a
Speaker 1: donkey in there, But I could never find any. Would
Speaker 1: pull up my home on Google Mac search around for
Speaker 1: any kind of farms, and there was nothing. There was
Speaker 1: a pretty decent amount of forest behind my house, field hollows.
Speaker 1: The sound generally always came from the same area, which
Speaker 1: would have been southeast of my house. So could it
Speaker 1: have been something further down that I didn't explore traveling
Speaker 1: up the hollows. We all know how sound traveled, especially
Speaker 1: trying to travel a little different at night. I don't know.
Speaker 1: There were a couple of times that when I did
Speaker 1: hear them brain, I would hear the one normal bray,
Speaker 1: then a few minutes not even really a few minutes later,
Speaker 1: within about a minute, there would be a second one
Speaker 1: that would sound just a little bit off, not quite
Speaker 1: very similar, but like the ending would not really trail
Speaker 1: off like they do. And I think, Okay, you know what,
Speaker 1: it's just a donkey. It's the country. I know they
Speaker 1: mimic ver sasquatch does. Could it be there? Could it
Speaker 1: be just me hoping to see you one? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've always had stuff walking around the house. But again
Speaker 1: it's country, so I got kyo, I had beer there,
Speaker 1: I had Armadillo's and I don't think we haven't that
Speaker 1: here yet. But you get an armadala running through the woods,
Speaker 1: it sounds like a elephant coming up through there. I'd
Speaker 1: go out there at the flashlight and I'm looking. I'd
Speaker 1: catch eyes once in a while. I'm just playing that off.
Speaker 1: It was just an armadillo again, hoping maybe i'd catch
Speaker 1: a going to the big guy. But I think it
Speaker 1: was just an armadillo. Being the realistic, critical thinker and
Speaker 1: living in a country house by myself with a Chihuaha
Speaker 1: for a guard door. I was really about with that.
Speaker 1: The girl that my ex wife, she knew I was
Speaker 1: in the big Foot and stuff, and she had told me,
Speaker 1: and supposedly somebody there in the county had turned it
Speaker 1: into the Sheriff's department home security footage of their outbuilding, garage,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. The door, their door
Speaker 1: sway inwards, and supposedly when it came inwards, the inside
Speaker 1: light was the motion activated and you could see a
Speaker 1: big hand like four of the fingers wrapped around the door.
Speaker 1: And once that light came on, it quickly withdrew and
Speaker 1: took off.
Speaker 4: And stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: After these messages, I was like, you need to get
Speaker 1: me that I work for the Sheriff. I can't full crap.
Speaker 1: What's the the Sunshine act? I think it is. I
Speaker 1: wanted to do that or whatever that act is, try
Speaker 1: to get back that could be nationally. So I don't
Speaker 1: want to say too much bad about her. I tend
Speaker 1: not to believe a lot of things that she said,
Speaker 1: so I took that one with a grain of salt.
Speaker 1: So that's it for my Sasquatch stories. I wish I
Speaker 1: could have something more fantastical or multiple encounters of my
Speaker 1: own or something like that, and I'm hoping someday it
Speaker 1: might happen.
Speaker 3: But I totally get it, man, And people have this
Speaker 3: thing all the time when they right into the show,
Speaker 3: they talk about their encounters, their experiences, and everybody's downplaying
Speaker 3: what happened. But I tell you, it's all data. This
Speaker 3: is a repository for data of people's experiences. So even
Speaker 3: the smallest minute things like you talked about the sound
Speaker 3: you possibly heard a donkey, but I have heard weird
Speaker 3: shit myself in the woods here that I thought was
Speaker 3: something else. I've heard what sounded like strange sick cows
Speaker 3: now four or five miles down the road. There's plenty
Speaker 3: of cows up and down this road, but I'd say
Speaker 3: the closest cows are at least two miles away. Easy.
Speaker 3: But the way sound travels through this area, anybody who's
Speaker 3: followed me on social media, I've put the drone up before,
Speaker 3: so you guys can see the entire area around the house.
Speaker 3: But it's a lot of open land. There's nothing really
Speaker 3: around us. It's very sparsely populated, but it's in this
Speaker 3: little area. It's like a valley between We're in like
Speaker 3: a bowl, and sound bounces around so crazily. Man, we
Speaker 3: were camping, guys. This is probably a year and a
Speaker 3: half ago. It might have been last year. It all
Speaker 3: runs together. I two, as you so eloquently said, I'm
Speaker 3: getting old as hell, so all the dates tend to
Speaker 3: run together. But I talked about it on the show,
Speaker 3: and I actually put out the audio I believe over
Speaker 3: here on the show because it was so strange. Our
Speaker 3: nearest neighbors that live full time are a mile away
Speaker 3: and We have never heard a car alarm ever. We
Speaker 3: live on forty acres surrounded by hundreds and thousands of
Speaker 3: acres of nothing but property where nobody lives. We've never
Speaker 3: heard a car alarm. That's like an Atlanta thing, a
Speaker 3: Charlotte thing. We're camping and we were literally sitting at
Speaker 3: the fire talking about and I think one of us
Speaker 3: said on the audio, like, what would you do right
Speaker 3: now if the house alarm went off? Talking about our
Speaker 3: home alarm, I was like, I'd be running down the
Speaker 3: hill ten seconds later, maybe five seconds. I think it
Speaker 3: was actually like six second, and it's on the audio.
Speaker 3: You hear what sounds like our truck alarm going off
Speaker 3: in our driveway from where we're at on the hill.
Speaker 3: I was like, holy shit. I grabbed the rifle. Me
Speaker 3: and the dogs are tearing down the hill and I
Speaker 3: get down here and there's nothing. The truck's fine, the
Speaker 3: car's fine, house is fine. There's nobody to be seen.
Speaker 3: We've never heard it before or never heard it since,
Speaker 3: but clearly I'm assuming it was something I had. People
Speaker 3: obviously right into the show going, oh it was bigfoot.
Speaker 3: They was mimicking your truck alarm, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: I don't think that's what was happening. I think somebody's
Speaker 3: truck alarm was going off. It might have been ten
Speaker 3: miles away. And the way the sound was bouncing around
Speaker 3: in this holler, I don't know. It's hard to explain,
Speaker 3: but you could have heard mimicry because I used to
Speaker 3: think that was bunker Man when people used to tell
Speaker 3: me stuff, like one of the first people on the show.
Speaker 3: I think it was episode It was somewhere in the
Speaker 3: less than five I think maybe three or four. I
Speaker 3: think the episode's called Bigfoot Hunts with Coyotes or something
Speaker 3: like that. This guy had sent me some audio and
Speaker 3: he sent me some video of him during the day,
Speaker 3: and I'm hearing what sounds like owls in the middle
Speaker 3: of the day, which is weird, but it's not unheard of.
Speaker 3: I was just in the South Mountains back in December
Speaker 3: with NCI. It's a bigfoot research group here in North
Speaker 3: Carolina that are in and around the South Mountains, which
Speaker 3: is about forty five minutes from where I'm sitting here
Speaker 3: in Lenore. I went out with those guys. We're out
Speaker 3: in their research area middle of the day. It's probably
Speaker 3: one o'clock in the afternoon and there is an owl
Speaker 3: following us. I've got video of it. It's literally landing
Speaker 3: in the tree twenty feet above my head and it's
Speaker 3: looking at me. It's a bart owl. And there was
Speaker 3: a guy that was with us that sounds just like
Speaker 3: a freaking bart owl and he's talking back and forth
Speaker 3: to this howl. It was the weirdest thing I've ever
Speaker 3: seen in my life in the middle of the freaking day.
Speaker 3: But I've heard that out in the Ozarks. As a
Speaker 3: matter of fact, I do the Ozark Mountain Bigfoot Conference
Speaker 3: out there were Marianni Chu. I've done it the last
Speaker 3: two years, and after we do the conference, we go
Speaker 3: out and do a camp out in Missouri in the Ozarks,
Speaker 3: about an hour or so away from where we do
Speaker 3: the conference, in the middle of freaking nowhere, and I
Speaker 3: have it on recording. It's this weird. Everybody I've played
Speaker 3: it for it says, oh, yeah, it's a bard owl.
Speaker 3: But there is this horrific scream that happens right before
Speaker 3: the owl goes off, and I've never heard anything like that.
Speaker 3: I think I actually sent it to David ellis So
Speaker 3: at the Olympic Project and I think David texted me back.
Speaker 3: It was something like, yeah, I think mal owls do
Speaker 3: that during mating season or something. It's this weird scream
Speaker 3: that they do. But this was like six o'clock in
Speaker 3: the morning. It was when people were waking up, and
Speaker 3: it was like, right, there's maybe ten yards in the
Speaker 3: woods we were doing this thing screen. No, I don't know, man.
Speaker 3: I used to think the mimicry wasn't a thing. But
Speaker 3: the longer I've been in this and the more people
Speaker 3: I've talked to, I think it's possible that they might
Speaker 3: mimic animals. Because I used to be like, Okay, dude,
Speaker 3: if you hear an owl in the woods, it's probably
Speaker 3: an owl. If you hear a donkey in the country,
Speaker 3: it's probably a donkey. But now I'm not so sure.
Speaker 1: Like he said, initially, I would have probably been the same.
Speaker 1: But get sit there and watch some of these birds
Speaker 1: that can mimic arch and de two. No, granted it's
Speaker 1: a bird, but an archie dp you a kid crying
Speaker 1: a car alarm, a crow basically talking mimicking back what
Speaker 1: his owner said, and we all say crows can't talk,
Speaker 1: but yeah, here we are. We see the video of it.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that thing is in the woods,
Speaker 1: So who said that they can't?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I thought the guy that I interviewed, Honestly,
Speaker 3: I hate to say it, but I thought he was
Speaker 3: batshit crazy when he was telling me that he knew
Speaker 3: that Bigfoot hunted with these group of three, four, sometimes
Speaker 3: five coyotes because he had seen it. But so many
Speaker 3: people I've talked to, and more people I've interviewed, have
Speaker 3: seen bigfoot in relation with coyotes in the same general area.
Speaker 3: You hear it all the time with the vocalizations. Coyotes
Speaker 3: go off, and then you hear something mimicking coyotes, or
Speaker 3: you hear just a flat out Ohio Howell type bigfoot scream,
Speaker 3: either back at the coyotes or sometimes in unison. So
Speaker 3: at this point, at this juncture, I am no longer
Speaker 3: skeptical obviously about these things existed, because I had my
Speaker 3: encounters last summer, one hundred percent in on the fact
Speaker 3: that they exist. All the other stuff that I used
Speaker 3: to scoff at, I'm starting to move in a direction
Speaker 3: where I'm way more open minded of that stuff, because
Speaker 3: when you talk to hundreds and hundreds of people that
Speaker 3: seem very credible. I'm a pretty good detector of bullshit.
Speaker 3: I have a very good BS meter. It doesn't go
Speaker 3: off with a lot of these people. So when you
Speaker 3: put all of that stuff together, the totality of the
Speaker 3: circumstances says, these people are experiencing what they're say they're experiencing.
Speaker 3: It may all be in their head, it may not
Speaker 3: have actually happened, but at least they believe that it happened.
Speaker 3: But I think there's a lot of that goes on.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: There are a lot of people who send me audio
Speaker 3: and it's clearly an owl making an owl sound, right,
Speaker 3: But I have heard a couple of pieces of audio. Actually,
Speaker 3: I think it's Johnny Tucker here in North Carolina. He's
Speaker 3: out in the Meadock State Park area where he does
Speaker 3: most of his research. He has sent me some audio
Speaker 3: in the past and he wasn't even talking about the
Speaker 3: owl sound in the audio. He sent me the audio
Speaker 3: for something else, and I send him back a message saying, Johnny,
Speaker 3: that's not an owl, dude. There is this what sounds
Speaker 3: like an owl, But it is clearly to me something
Speaker 3: or someone trying to mimic an owl. That's the only
Speaker 3: way I can describe it.
Speaker 2: Sho sh what wo f o?
Speaker 1: Woll pup woll pup.
Speaker 2: You didn't you any people?
Speaker 1: Et m M. So.
Speaker 3: Once I heard stuff like that and experiences that people
Speaker 3: have shared with me, I no longer doubt that mimicry
Speaker 3: is a possibility for these creatures. Like you said, if
Speaker 3: a bird can do it, if a crow can do it,
Speaker 3: a raven can do it, people do it.
Speaker 1: When you were going with the bigfoot hunting with the coyotes.
Speaker 1: If we can domesticate god, who's to say that these
Speaker 1: weren't a pack of abandoned kyo cups or they have
Speaker 1: some kind of want to say, symbiotic relationship, because I
Speaker 1: don't think that's the appropriate term. But look, you helped me,
Speaker 1: I helped you. We share the food, so it's possible.
Speaker 1: There's other animals and I'm trying to think of one.
Speaker 1: I know there's one I can't think of, but they
Speaker 1: help each other in the wild.
Speaker 3: I'm going to disagree with you. I think you said
Speaker 3: it perfectly. I think it is that symbiotic relationship with
Speaker 3: bigfoot in coyotes. I think that is more than when
Speaker 3: I say, and this is the thing that I got
Speaker 3: in my mind when I did the interview, and even afterwards,
Speaker 3: I was picturing this massive sasquatch standing at the top
Speaker 3: of a heel with five leashes in big, massive hands,
Speaker 3: and these coyotes are pulling like sled dogs to go
Speaker 3: and run down the deer for them. That's what I
Speaker 3: was picturing this guy was explaining to me. But I
Speaker 3: think it's a lot less dramatic than that. I think
Speaker 3: it's more of a symbiotic kind of relationship. Hey, I'm
Speaker 3: going to chase the deer towards you. You guys do
Speaker 3: your thing, or you chase the deer towards us, and
Speaker 3: we're gonna set up an ambush and I'm going to
Speaker 3: break the back legs. You can have this one, and
Speaker 3: the next one we run into the funnel is ours.
Speaker 3: That's a symbiotic relationship that I can see being plausible.
Speaker 3: I can feel some of you guys rolling your eyes
Speaker 3: completely into the back of your head right now with
Speaker 3: some of the shit I'm saying. But it's one of
Speaker 3: those things that if you're in this long enough and
Speaker 3: you talk to enough people, those are the kind of
Speaker 3: conversations that I have around campfires with people and you
Speaker 3: have to pay attention to that and at least, in
Speaker 3: my opinion, be open to the fact that they may
Speaker 3: be right. Because guess what, I don't have a Sasquatch.
Speaker 3: I can't go out and ask him. I can't study it.
Speaker 3: So we have to go off of what people are
Speaker 3: experiencing and then sharing on shows like this and with
Speaker 3: other people and on BFRO databases and the Bigfoot Mapping
Speaker 3: Project whatever. That's all we have at this point. We
Speaker 3: do have people. I've had my own experiences. I got
Speaker 3: to see these things, but I don't know any more
Speaker 3: than I did about them before I saw them. All
Speaker 3: I know for sure now is that there are one
Speaker 3: hundred percent real I can lay that to rest.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I'm just skeptical about people and evidence. At this point,
Speaker 3: I'm not skeptical about Bigfoot anymore, but I'm still skeptical
Speaker 3: about people and the evidence and the bullshit that comes
Speaker 3: out of some people's mouth. So I have to play
Speaker 3: both sides of the fence here. But when it comes
Speaker 3: down to it, I think the ultimate thing is I
Speaker 3: say it all the time. We've got to be open
Speaker 3: minded to people's experiences, be able to learn from those experiences,
Speaker 3: and not close ourselves off because somebody's right. We're not
Speaker 3: all wrong here. Somebody in this conversation in this community
Speaker 3: is right. It's just a matter of who. And I
Speaker 3: personally believe we're all right some of the time and
Speaker 3: we're all wrong some of the time because we don't
Speaker 3: know anything about these creatures. I do want to talk
Speaker 3: about some of your other experiences though, that have happened
Speaker 3: to you. We've had some similar experiences, it looks like,
Speaker 3: in the past, So why don't you go into some
Speaker 3: of those experiences that you've had on your own.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to go in with my paranormal experiences.
Speaker 1: Those ranged from Pennsylvania, and then I had some out
Speaker 1: in the Dirrey as well. The ones I had in
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania were at the Gettyburg Battlefield. And I know you
Speaker 1: probably have a wide variety demographics that follow are going
Speaker 1: to go too much into the back history, but we
Speaker 1: all know what happened to get it one of the
Speaker 1: biggest three day battle of the Civil War, with fifty
Speaker 1: one thousand plus kild captured missing in action. I do
Speaker 1: know I did believe numbers up. You've had three one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty five Union soldiers killed, thirty nine hundred
Speaker 1: Confederates killed, and then also up to five thousand horses
Speaker 1: and mules killed. It's a lot of death. That's why
Speaker 1: a lot of people say that's one of the most
Speaker 1: haunted places in the country, the amount of loss and
Speaker 1: suffering and body parts that are still there that are
Speaker 1: being found. The guy I worked with, he considered himself
Speaker 1: an amateur historian, very well versed in the battlefield. Every
Speaker 1: part of the battlefield. He could sit there and explain
Speaker 1: it with barely even looking at it, notesy of notes
Speaker 1: that he would tell us about everything that was going on. Hey,
Speaker 1: why don't you come down with me and my wife.
Speaker 1: We'll do a tour of the battlefield during the day,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you guys everything, we'll go get dinner, and
Speaker 1: then that night we'll do a little ghost hunt. And
Speaker 1: I was like, hell, yeah, ghost hunters. We watched all
Speaker 1: that stuff back then. I was like, I'll do that.
Speaker 1: That sounds pretty cool. Though. I got a hold of
Speaker 1: my ex from high school we were friends. I said, Hey,
Speaker 1: you want to come along and do this. You could
Speaker 1: go That sounds great, dude, So we go down your
Speaker 1: wife two thousand and nine ish, Because I know i'd
Speaker 1: just gotten divorced or we were separated. It wasn't officially
Speaker 1: sports from my wife. Then we get down, did the
Speaker 1: Battlefield tour during the day, went out to eat and
Speaker 1: then play. Evening. It's still sun still out, so we
Speaker 1: can walk around at that point without any flashlight.
Speaker 4: And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to sea.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. After these messages, we went out
Speaker 1: to the Triangular Field. I don't know if you've ever
Speaker 1: been there. It's located northwest of the devil Den So
Speaker 1: if you're in the triangular field, right at the top
Speaker 1: of the hill devil Den. To me, it looked like
Speaker 1: maybe two football fields a way. So we go out there.
Speaker 1: We were the only ones at the Triangular field at
Speaker 1: that point that we didn't meet anybody coming in and
Speaker 1: out of the parking area. I didn't see any cars
Speaker 1: in that area. So we go out start walking out
Speaker 1: in the field. I was on the lead point, whatever
Speaker 1: you want to call it, And as I'm walking out,
Speaker 1: I had the sudden overpowering smell of pipe tobacco, like
Speaker 1: that good old fashion. My Grandpa's sitting there with a
Speaker 1: pipe and it just bringing I can feel like I
Speaker 1: can smell it now, and it just hit you that strong. Guys,
Speaker 1: you smell that and they come running over, snipping in
Speaker 1: the air, and then yeah, that's strong. We're looking around.
Speaker 1: Is anybody else here? There's nobody here. There wasn't anybody
Speaker 1: there as far as we know prior to us that
Speaker 1: even if they were smoking pipe tobacco that it should
Speaker 1: have late devil. Then again, was too far up there
Speaker 1: and there was no breed that would have brought that
Speaker 1: down to where we were. So we walked forward a
Speaker 1: little bit on the way back through completely gone, not
Speaker 1: even a trace of it. I was like, okay, that's cool.
Speaker 1: This is our first experience. Is it paranormal? We'll just
Speaker 1: chalk it up as yet. Prior to coming out, we
Speaker 1: then heard very distinct but faint sound of musket fire.
Speaker 1: Now that's one of the big ones that are reported,
Speaker 1: musket fire can and fire yelling, screaming, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: faint enough that it sounded like it was in the dish,
Speaker 1: and there was no echoing, like it was bouncing off
Speaker 1: the rocks in a tree. I don't remember if I
Speaker 1: said the Patrick or if he said to me, but
Speaker 1: one of us said each other hey here, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: not like us. We're like we are in the battlefield
Speaker 1: in Gettysburg. Maybe it's a reenactment somewhere. Can't rule that
Speaker 1: one out. Critical think or fart, you got to think.
Speaker 1: But at that time of day, there was no reenactments
Speaker 1: going on at all that weekend, so we can't rule
Speaker 1: that one out. But we're still chalking that one up
Speaker 1: because it just was not loud enough to have been
Speaker 1: anywhere in that general vicinity. So that was really about
Speaker 1: all we had that year. Now we were doing this
Speaker 1: almost on a yearly basis, same thing, and our group
Speaker 1: was getting bigger and bigger every year. I think it
Speaker 1: was the following year we went out again. We were
Speaker 1: taking pictures and we were getting orbs, but I'm outside
Speaker 1: easily does, easily explained away, so we didn't even count those.
Speaker 1: But we went up to Hotel which was an pretty
Speaker 1: decisive battle. Trying to think exactly what all happened on
Speaker 1: that one, but there's a skirmish run in there. And
Speaker 1: then down below Culture is a place called Spangler's Spring.
Speaker 1: On top of Culture is an observation tower. I'm assuming
Speaker 1: it was either to observe the battlefield just for tourists
Speaker 1: or might have even been a fire tower, but it's
Speaker 1: a complete steel observation tower. Goes up several stories, I
Speaker 1: think right cloth ten stories up. So we go up there,
Speaker 1: we're sitting at the top. It's not windy, nice cold fall.
Speaker 1: Actually it was right around Halloween, because we decided to
Speaker 1: start doing this around Halloween to make things creepier. And
Speaker 1: we're sitting there and we're talking about we're disappointed we
Speaker 1: didn't have any kind of experiences that night. Patrick starts
Speaker 1: telling about the woman in white, but there is a
Speaker 1: legend of the woman in light like every state has.
Speaker 1: It seems like every county and every state and every
Speaker 1: town has. But he was telling it anyway, and as
Speaker 1: he starts telling that story, we hear what sounded like
Speaker 1: hard sould shoes, either coming up the steps or down
Speaker 1: the steps. We're like, yah, you hear that, And you
Speaker 1: can still hear it, like maybe something banging. But everything
Speaker 1: on that, as far as we saw everything on that,
Speaker 1: at least all the way up to the top floods.
Speaker 1: It's metal. So if there was metal banging on metal,
Speaker 1: that's a distinct sounds, different sounds. So now we're all
Speaker 1: hanging off the edges of the observation tower, trying to
Speaker 1: look down. Is there someone down there? Our two cars
Speaker 1: were the only cars there. No cars had come through
Speaker 1: while we were there. As far as we could tell,
Speaker 1: there were no people because at this point it's probably
Speaker 1: nine o'clock. I think we ended to be out by then,
Speaker 1: so we'd have seen other cars come through, people with flashlights.
Speaker 1: And as quickly as it started, it stopped. I swear
Speaker 1: we had that on tape. However, that so long ago.
Speaker 1: I am the old dinosaur flip phones or whatever we
Speaker 1: were using that it's gone. I wish it still had that.
Speaker 1: So we counted that one as a win, and to
Speaker 1: the next year. The next year was pretty much same
Speaker 1: group again, only this time I brought my kids with me.
Speaker 1: They were old enough they were like, yeah, we want
Speaker 1: to go ghost. Are you guys sure? I want to
Speaker 1: say my kids were probably eight and eleven, nine and
Speaker 1: twelve ish. I'm like, you, guys, but we hear something scary, man,
Speaker 1: I want to tear it off. I want you guys
Speaker 1: have nightmares. I'm ruined my time. Yeah, we want to go.
Speaker 1: We want to go? All right? Cool? So again, nothing
Speaker 1: really happened till we get back up the Coulps Hill.
Speaker 1: We decided we're going to head down to where the
Speaker 1: skirmish line was. Patrick was like, the skirmish line has
Speaker 1: a history of reported shadow figures. People see those running
Speaker 1: along the skirmish line the boulders. It's apparently like snipers
Speaker 1: took up positions in the boulder. You don't check that out,
Speaker 1: So we head down there. My daughter swear she saw
Speaker 1: a couple shadows move. We all thought we heard something
Speaker 1: in the woods walking around. It's not more like walking up. Obviously,
Speaker 1: it's not squirrels this late time. Could it be a raccoon?
Speaker 1: Could it be a skunk or maybe even some kind
Speaker 1: of a night bird bath around maybe who We're still
Speaker 1: checking it out. I don't remember exactly how it went down.
Speaker 1: I do have this EVP on my YouTube page so
Speaker 1: people can hear it if they want to. I ask
Speaker 1: a question, I think I say something to Patrick was
Speaker 1: like were that you and he said something like no.
Speaker 1: And then almost immediately after he said no, you hear
Speaker 1: it very long, drawn out, disembodied, creepy. No, we didn't
Speaker 1: hear that with our own ears. He was the one
Speaker 1: that actually recorded that, and that he had sent that
Speaker 1: to me afterwards, and I sent it off to a
Speaker 1: paranormal research group that was in By County and they're like,
Speaker 1: are you sure. Nobody said absolutely. It was only me
Speaker 1: Patrick and my two kids. No one sounds like very
Speaker 1: white talking through some kind of synthesizer and they're like, man,
Speaker 1: we can't find anything, saying otherwise, you got yourself an EVP.
Speaker 1: Chalk it up for a win. I was cool with
Speaker 1: that one. So then twenty twelve, my father had died.
Speaker 1: I was supposed to go out to the very to
Speaker 1: meet the girl that I had met online. We were
Speaker 1: talking back and forth and my father died for whatever,
Speaker 1: and she just decided to jump in her car and
Speaker 1: drive here to Punta me because I think first off,
Speaker 1: she didn't believe me that my father died until she
Speaker 1: saw it on social media. Everyone give me my condole.
Speaker 1: But again, this was like right around Halloween. You're supposed
Speaker 1: to do the getting the burg ghost Core thing on
Speaker 1: the thirty first. My dad died on twenty fourth. I
Speaker 1: was going to back out of it, and everyone's now
Speaker 1: you need to go. You need to just distance yourself
Speaker 1: from everything you've gone through over the past week. Get
Speaker 1: with friends, enjoy yourself. You know what that Yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 1: So we're down back up on cold chill again, and
Speaker 1: we're down in that same area that the girl was
Speaker 1: with me, and she's dude, who grabbed my ass? They're
Speaker 1: talking about they are not even close to you. She said,
Speaker 1: someone grab my butt. I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: So she claimed something grabbed her butt or touched her.
Speaker 1: So again, this is the same one I ended up marrying.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say too much. Maybe she was
Speaker 1: just looking for attention. I don't know. So we go
Speaker 1: back up to the top. We regrouped at the observation
Speaker 1: tower and then decided to check out the other side.
Speaker 1: I went down one path. We didn't really have anything there,
Speaker 1: and as we were coming up pretty soon to be
Speaker 1: fixing the leave, a couple of my friends come up
Speaker 1: from the skirmish line again and they're like, dude, guys,
Speaker 1: there is some creepy ad shit going on. Okay what
Speaker 1: It literally felt like we walked into static electricity. I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, I'm on this, let's go. So me, Patrick,
Speaker 1: my kids are heading down there. I was in the
Speaker 1: lead again. I don't know why. I ain't got an
Speaker 1: outlash like, and as we're walking down, I come around
Speaker 1: just this light little curve around a tree, and it
Speaker 1: was literally like immediately someone flipped the switch. The air
Speaker 1: just felt electrified. It felt a little bit heavy, a
Speaker 1: little bit older. Hair in the back of my neck
Speaker 1: was standing up my arms and I was like, ool, god,
Speaker 1: you guys feel that. They're like no, but they were
Speaker 1: a couple feet away from me, like this something did
Speaker 1: not feel right. They're like, you're okay. I'm like, I'm fine,
Speaker 1: this is just very uncomfortable. Patrick's dude, let me take
Speaker 1: a picture. He pulls this camera out, dies, takes the
Speaker 1: battery out, puts a brand new battery in it, turns
Speaker 1: it on dot. He's like, are you still feeling this way?
Speaker 1: I absolutely am. He goes, you know what, how about
Speaker 1: we get at it. I was like, okay. He goes
Speaker 1: to turn around and he screens and I was like, what,
Speaker 1: what's wrong? You know, dude, there was a person standing
Speaker 1: right behind me. When I turned around, it was the
Speaker 1: distinct shadow of a person right there behind me. I'm
Speaker 1: out of here. I was like, yeah, I guess we'll
Speaker 1: go ahead. And I turned after I turned around because
Speaker 1: I was looking back towards where I was just standing,
Speaker 1: and by the time I turned around, Patrick and my
Speaker 1: kids are Scooby Doude beating it up the trail. Go
Speaker 1: don't leave me down here by myself. We ain't playing
Speaker 1: this crap. That was the end of our at least
Speaker 1: the end of my experiences at Gettysburg, because I was
Speaker 1: October and January ended up moving out to Missouri with
Speaker 1: that girl. They did still continue going to the battlefield
Speaker 1: a couple of times. I think they said they had
Speaker 1: a couple of experiences, but I never had anything boarded
Speaker 1: to me. And then COVID shut it down National Park
Speaker 1: Service there's no more ghost times. Too many people were
Speaker 1: coming in and ruining it for everyone that were disappointing.
Speaker 1: So it takes me out to my Missouri parentormal experiences.
Speaker 1: So when I still lived in Pennsylvania, I was talking
Speaker 1: to that girl every day, a multiple times a day.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we were on the phone like six hours for
Speaker 1: no reason. But I called her one day. I don't
Speaker 1: remember jacking what we were talking about. She had her
Speaker 1: friend living with her because she was going through a
Speaker 1: separation and divorce. They both were, so it was her
Speaker 1: friend and her friend's son. He was in the bathroom,
Speaker 1: in the bathtub taking a bath. Her friend was unpacking
Speaker 1: some stuff, and just me and his girl were talking
Speaker 1: on the phone out of nowhere, softly but yet loud
Speaker 1: enough that I could hear it. I hear a woman's
Speaker 1: voice say, did you hear what I'm saying? I said,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? Did you hear what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: She goes, what are you talking about? Someone just asked,
Speaker 1: did I hear what she said? Because I didn't say anything,
Speaker 1: ask your friend. I didn't hear her talking, and she could.
Speaker 1: She hadn't said a word. She's over here, I'm packing
Speaker 1: her stuff. All right, that's odd. But then I thought, okay,
Speaker 1: cell phones were still not really top quality like we
Speaker 1: have now. I might have been a BlackBerry, but I
Speaker 1: quited it. Back to the old days, when you had
Speaker 1: a cordless cell phone, you can listen to your neighbor's conversation.
Speaker 1: Maybe something was bleeding in. If you got any kids
Speaker 1: that listened to this, y'all don't know what you listening
Speaker 1: to the neighbors conversation because they could get juicy. So anyway,
Speaker 1: she had called me the next day. She had talked
Speaker 1: to me and she said, you remember that you said
Speaker 1: you heard a voice on the phone. Yeah, she said
Speaker 1: with her son, I'll just call him Jake, so that's
Speaker 1: not his real name. He was in the bathtub and
Speaker 1: he was in there talking playing and when his mom
Speaker 1: went in, she said, who are you talking to? He said,
Speaker 1: I'm talking to that old lady over there. She said,
Speaker 1: what old lady? Chalked it up the childhood imagination. After that,
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, let me call I'll
Speaker 1: call in a paranormal group. I'll do some research and
Speaker 1: trying to find what I can find on the internet.
Speaker 1: I called in a paranormal research group from the next
Speaker 1: county over. They come over, did a little investigating with
Speaker 1: how the results they gave me were. Inconclusion, didn't really
Speaker 1: have anything that happened. They didn't catch any EVTs. I
Speaker 1: don't remember exactly what they said. They couldn't rule out anything,
Speaker 1: but they couldn't solidify anything either. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: thank you for attempting. I ended up moving out there
Speaker 1: right in the beginning of January. Then it was a
Speaker 1: single story ranch house out in the country. I had
Speaker 1: no idea who the previous owners were. Needed a little
Speaker 1: bit of work, but you'll. So there was always some
Speaker 1: kind of oddity about the house, a little uncomfortableness to it.
Speaker 1: Obviously the basement that every kid's afraid of the basement.
Speaker 1: I know I'm not a kid, but turn the lights out.
Speaker 1: I'm still running up the stairs chicken like that. One
Speaker 1: night we remember if we'd gotten off work. I think
Speaker 1: we've gotten off work because he worked two to ten.
Speaker 1: She's in the bedroom. Her son's in the bedroom. He
Speaker 1: was under two. We were watching some movie. I don't
Speaker 1: remember the name of the movie, either John Travolta or
Speaker 1: Bruce Willis when they voiced the baby. But she's you
Speaker 1: go get him a drink. Yeah, all right, go out
Speaker 1: of the kitchen, and they open up the refrigerator, and
Speaker 1: out of nowhere here just this very soft, distinct humming.
Speaker 1: Kind of stopped and looked around, and it did it again,
Speaker 1: and it reminded me of little O b Mall cooking dinner,
Speaker 1: washing her dishes, just humming away, minding her own business. Okay,
Speaker 1: must be on the TV. I go back in the bedroom.
Speaker 1: I say, you guys humming back here? No? Was anybody
Speaker 1: humming on the TV in the movie?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Why? Nothing?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Why I just i'd heard him, maybe it was my imagination.
Speaker 1: She'd be sure, yeah, maybe someone was outside. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a grandmall outside at two o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 1: just humming. Okay. So then occasionally a light would be
Speaker 1: left on, but I always chalk that up to someone being.
Speaker 4: L Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll
Speaker 4: be right back after these messages.
Speaker 1: We had a radio, and you remember the old big
Speaker 1: you can disconnect the speaker here, put one over here.
Speaker 1: So she had this stereo radio whatever you want to
Speaker 1: call it. Everything was push button, with the exception of
Speaker 1: the volume. Literally had to turn it off. We'd come
Speaker 1: home from work, come home from being out to the
Speaker 1: day or whatever. The radio. I was like, I know,
Speaker 1: we didn't turn the radio on left maybe the button
Speaker 1: stuck turn it off. It would come back on later
Speaker 1: in the day. You know, Almost every time we'd come
Speaker 1: home the radio seemed to be on. Then it started
Speaker 1: to be we'd be sitting there watching TV and I
Speaker 1: see a little flicker out of the corner of my
Speaker 1: eye and I look over at the stereo and the
Speaker 1: power button comes on or the screen lights up and
Speaker 1: the volume starts turning. Now again, you have to physically
Speaker 1: turn it to get the volume to come up. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm sure spirits can manipulate things. People claim they can.
Speaker 1: So it was this thing manipulating it to go up.
Speaker 1: That happened several times, and I'm like, please stop. So
Speaker 1: I'm at work one day she called me and she's panicked.
Speaker 1: What's wrong? He said that something happened in Jake's room.
Speaker 1: What do you mean? He's crying and I can hear
Speaker 1: him screaming in the background. He sounds upset. She said,
Speaker 1: I heard a bang and I thought he fell. It
Speaker 1: was did he fall?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: When I went in the room, he was in his crib.
Speaker 1: Then what was the noise? The rocking chair, Fella, Now
Speaker 1: that's simple. He probably grabbed the rock and chair, maybe
Speaker 1: trying to crawl out of the crib, pulching bart on it,
Speaker 1: and it flipped. So I went in and flipped the
Speaker 1: rocking chair back over in the exact spot that it was,
Speaker 1: And then I realized there's no way. It wasn't close
Speaker 1: enough that he could grab it and pull it. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe if he took a blanket and wrapped around it
Speaker 1: like a lasso, but still after it cut to a
Speaker 1: certain point. The blanket should have popped off. It wasn't that.
Speaker 1: Then I pulled the rocker back as pretty much as
Speaker 1: far as it would go, and I let go of it.
Speaker 1: But it swings forward as far as it would but
Speaker 1: it would not flip over. Okay, that's concerning to me.
Speaker 1: And he would not go back in that room for
Speaker 1: almost two weeks if we tried to put him in
Speaker 1: that room. The second we get the door, he was
Speaker 1: terrified to me, saying, okay, kids scared of the room.
Speaker 1: Did he scared of the room because the rocking chair fell?
Speaker 1: Maybe he was asleep it fell, the noise scared him,
Speaker 1: or was there something else? Can he see the ghost?
Speaker 1: Obviously we're not seeing him, but they say children can
Speaker 1: see the things that adults can't. Obviously, the kid in
Speaker 1: the bathtubs claiming to see O memo over there at
Speaker 1: the toilet, nothing like that ever happened again. We eventually
Speaker 1: got him back into his bedroom. The radio kept going on,
Speaker 1: and finally I just one day I just stood up
Speaker 1: out of my chair. Look and now I get it.
Speaker 1: This is your house. We're in your house, but we're
Speaker 1: not going anywhere. So can we coexist in this house,
Speaker 1: or if you're going to mess around with things, just
Speaker 1: do it. When we got here, don't mess with the baby.
Speaker 1: I said, if you can't be pleasant, I will have
Speaker 1: someone come in and exercise your ass out of my house.
Speaker 1: I got aggressive with it and not fuck. Maybe I
Speaker 1: shouldn't have done that, because maybe it could escalate, But
Speaker 1: things seemed to calm down after that. We eventually had
Speaker 1: to move out of that house to the house further
Speaker 1: south where I heard the dawn also worked in a
Speaker 1: nursing home, and obviously a lot of people die in
Speaker 1: a nursing home. It's a ninety bed nursing home, a
Speaker 1: lot of people in and out. We would see occasional
Speaker 1: down some of the hallways what looked like a shadow
Speaker 1: walked back and forth between the room. There was a
Speaker 1: resident there called one night because he says, who the
Speaker 1: hell just walked in my room and into the bathroom.
Speaker 1: There's nobody there. But then it happened again and he
Speaker 1: refused to ever go back in back room. They were like, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: that's the ghost of whoever is just apparently repetitively every
Speaker 1: once in a while would come into that room and
Speaker 1: go into the bathroom area and when he swears he
Speaker 1: saw it. I never saw it. I did hear some
Speaker 1: disembodied voices. I had a resident who passed away, or
Speaker 1: rather expected unexpected. We knew she wasn't doing well, and
Speaker 1: she deteriorated very quickly. I went from talking like you
Speaker 1: or I to within an hour she was taking her
Speaker 1: last breath pass away. Within a week of that, I'm
Speaker 1: down my hall. And she was notorious for yelling help
Speaker 1: me when she didn't help. She just wanted attention, and
Speaker 1: I heard her voice help me, No way, I just
Speaker 1: heard it. Hey God, I just turned miss know it,
Speaker 1: so it's voice. You didn't. I didn't. I'm telling yet.
Speaker 1: We'd have the call lights hospital click it we're supposed
Speaker 1: to come running. The call lights would go off in
Speaker 1: certain rooms once in a while, when nobody's in there.
Speaker 1: I'd go in there, make sure they were hung up.
Speaker 1: I'm sure nobody was in there. They're still hung up.
Speaker 1: They didn't fall, they didn't get unplugged. Somehow, I've just
Speaker 1: turned it off. It ended up happening maybe an hour
Speaker 1: or so later, a couple of nights later. There was
Speaker 1: never any real pattern to it, But yeah, that was
Speaker 1: pretty neat. That's my paranormal experience. Unfortunately, the house I
Speaker 1: live in now seems to be normal despite some of
Speaker 1: the chaos that happens in here.
Speaker 3: You mentioned in the email that you sent initially, you
Speaker 3: mentioned something about a possible UFO siding in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: Can you tell us about that after eventually here? When
Speaker 1: I lived in Missouri, I moved back up to Pennsylvania
Speaker 1: got my EMP re certification back up there. I've been
Speaker 1: an EMP since I was knee Hida, a grasshopper. I've
Speaker 1: been a first responder since I was fifteen. That's been
Speaker 1: my career ever since. So I was living in a firehouse,
Speaker 1: so that was cheaper. The girl that I was supposed
Speaker 1: to be dating things just did not work out, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm just going to live in the firehouse.
Speaker 1: It's cheaper a lot of money. I met another girl.
Speaker 1: I can never meet him in my own state. She
Speaker 1: lived down here in North Carolina. So we talked back
Speaker 1: and forth a while, and eventually I came down here
Speaker 1: to meet her. We started dating, and then every other
Speaker 1: weekend I would travel down here spend the weekend with
Speaker 1: So this would have probably been late twenty two, early
Speaker 1: twenty three, I think again, my time is horrible, but
Speaker 1: I had come down for the weekend. In North Carolina
Speaker 1: weather it can be December and feel like it's August.
Speaker 1: So it was a fairly warm, muggy night, not really rainy, misty,
Speaker 1: very low bank clouds. We were out driving around. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure we probably went out to eat. She was
Speaker 1: driving me around the county, showing me different things places,
Speaker 1: maybe she lived or worked or whatever. It was that
Speaker 1: we were coming off the side road into the city
Speaker 1: of Lexington. Again, clouds were banked pretty low. Worked in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: you knew how when those clouds are bank low, the
Speaker 1: light reflects off them and you can tell that they're low.
Speaker 1: We're sitting there. It was either stop playing a red
Speaker 1: light out and I'm just looking around, and I looked
Speaker 1: out and up the window, so I got the frame
Speaker 1: of the car above me, and I look out and
Speaker 1: I see three big lights. The only way that I
Speaker 1: can describe them is they look like three giant puck lights,
Speaker 1: like battery operated puck lights. You just slap them and
Speaker 1: they come on. They were in the clouds, but the
Speaker 1: clouds had thinned off. You can still see the clouds
Speaker 1: below the lights, but enough that it was transparent enough
Speaker 1: to see through the op opacity. In my head, I
Speaker 1: was like, what the hell is that? And I'll look
Speaker 1: out at it. We were probably there for fifteen seconds,
Speaker 1: and it felt like forever, and I kept looking and
Speaker 1: I could look left, look right, and like it's something
Speaker 1: reflecting all the side glass that maybe I'm seeing something
Speaker 1: that's not really there. No, it's directly above us in
Speaker 1: that thinned out clouds. We're not moving. It's not moved.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever been to this part
Speaker 1: of the state. Lexington does not have skyscrapers, so there
Speaker 1: wasn't anything hanging off the skyscraper. We have just a
Speaker 1: regional airport, so small aircraft. Winston Salem up above they've
Speaker 1: got a little bit bigger aircraft, but nothing that would
Speaker 1: have been flying in it covering in a cloud. I've
Speaker 1: never seen any helicopters with any kind of lighting like
Speaker 1: that on the bottom. There was absolutely no marker lights.
Speaker 1: Aircraft have to have the tail lights, the whatever kind
Speaker 1: of red and green flashing light. There was no lights
Speaker 1: flashing on this whatsoever. There was no sound. Next thing,
Speaker 1: we're fixing the pool away and she's what do you
Speaker 1: look at it? Ah, I'm just checking out the scene.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell the girl that I just started
Speaker 1: dating here that I just saw happen UFO above me.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be like this will was crazy. To get
Speaker 1: the hell head back to Pennsylvania. I want nothing to
Speaker 1: do with you. I have racked my brain of what
Speaker 1: it could be. I cannot come up with anything other
Speaker 1: than some kind of UAP. I've had people ask what
Speaker 1: kind of shape that maybe it was. Could it have
Speaker 1: been triangular shaped? Possible? Maybe in the thicker cloud there
Speaker 1: was another two lights that would have been on the
Speaker 1: other side. Maybe it was ticktack or rectangular shape. All
Speaker 1: I could see was those three lights looking like puck lights.
Speaker 1: Size wise, I ain't gonna lie a suck at judge
Speaker 1: and distance. It was a couple hundred feet up above us. Sidewise,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Could it have been some kind of
Speaker 1: propulsion system. Could it have been entry ways into this craft?
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I have racked my brain ever
Speaker 1: since and had no idea what it is. None. I
Speaker 1: just have chalked it up. Though I got to see
Speaker 1: my first UFO, I took it as a wind. With
Speaker 1: that there was no kind of electrical disturbance. We didn't
Speaker 1: lose any time or anything. It was sitting at the
Speaker 1: stop sign, what the hell is that? And off we went.
Speaker 1: I even thought it could have been nothing. You have
Speaker 1: the Chinese lanterns that you put up, but even those,
Speaker 1: these things were perfectly speach. The lanterns are going to
Speaker 1: be separate, They're going to be smaller lights. They're probably
Speaker 1: going to be a little bit brighter. That might be
Speaker 1: one lower than the other one. I got nothing, nothing
Speaker 1: at all.
Speaker 3: I can tell you I'm right there with you because
Speaker 3: I've had multiple experiences with what I believe to be
Speaker 3: UAPs UFOs. The most recent was last year. We actually
Speaker 3: saw something very similar to what you're describing on the
Speaker 3: ridge behind our house through the trees. But this was
Speaker 3: definitely three of these big puck lights, but they were
Speaker 3: forming a triangle, two lights at the top and one
Speaker 3: at the bottom. Weirdest shit I've ever seen close six
Speaker 3: eight hundred yards behind us on this ridge through trees.
Speaker 3: We stood out on the porch and watched it for
Speaker 3: quite a while through binoculars. It was moving some. It
Speaker 3: would move between trees. I couldn't tell size. It was
Speaker 3: very difficult to tell the size very much like you.
Speaker 3: I'm not great at that at a distance, especially, but
Speaker 3: it was definitely big. And we watched it for I
Speaker 3: don't know, five ten minutes through the binoculars, and it
Speaker 3: would move over here and move over there, but it
Speaker 3: was always in this general area and we know that area.
Speaker 3: There's nothing back there on the ridge. We've hiked back
Speaker 3: and stood almost right where this thing appeared to be
Speaker 3: and then it just faded out. It was gone. All
Speaker 3: three lights just boof, like it was never there. I
Speaker 3: don't know, man, weird stuff. That's what keeps me coming back.
Speaker 3: That's the kind of stuff that keeps me up at night.
Speaker 3: But I tell you, yeah, anytime you walk away from
Speaker 3: an encounter with what I believe to be a UFO
Speaker 3: and you don't get sucked up in it like Whitley
Speaker 3: Streeber or Travis Walton, that to me is a good day.
Speaker 3: I will take that as a win any day of
Speaker 3: the week. Man, Jason. I appreciate you coming on the
Speaker 3: show and having the conversation with you. Man, I've had
Speaker 3: a blast talking to you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that being honor thank you. They say you
Speaker 1: don't gotta go home, but you can't stay.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be.
Speaker 1: World out that.
Speaker 3: This job chid everything.
Speaker 2: Joy me.
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