Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Boston's new video.
Speaker 2: I call that is music to my ears. Put the
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Speaker 2: thank you very much to call. My name is Dan Ray,
Speaker 2: the host of night Side, and we have a big
Speaker 2: night coming up. We will get at some point, I'm sure,
Speaker 2: to the stock market, because the stock market today begin
Speaker 2: up like fourteen hundred points on the Dow and it
Speaker 2: finished the day three hundred down, so a swing of
Speaker 2: about seventeen hundred points on it. It's almost becoming funny
Speaker 2: at this point if you don't want it to laugh
Speaker 2: or cry, and I'm not telling you to panic. We'll
Speaker 2: talk about that later. We have a we have four
Speaker 2: interesting guests coming up this hour on a variety of topics,
Speaker 2: and then later on this evening when we get into
Speaker 2: the conversation part of the program. That's where you can participate.
Speaker 2: Interesting article in the Globe day or so ago was
Speaker 2: on the digital I'm not sure you're going to see
Speaker 2: it in the print version. It's about the retrial of
Speaker 2: Karen Reid and whether or not people who fervently believed
Speaker 2: in her guilt or innocence have some of them actually
Speaker 2: switched positions or changed their opinions. We'll get to that,
Speaker 2: and then I think most of you may have heard
Speaker 2: that the website twenty three in Me has filed for bankruptcy.
Speaker 2: Many people are worried that their personal data, in their
Speaker 2: genetic information, in the process of this bankruptcy deal, might
Speaker 2: be sold to other companies. We're going to talk with
Speaker 2: an activism director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation who can
Speaker 2: probably answer most of our questions. But there's all sorts
Speaker 2: of things going on. Christin un who says he is
Speaker 2: not running for the Senate in New Hampshire. That's a shame.
Speaker 2: And Boston City councilor Tania Fernandez Anderson will plead guilty
Speaker 2: in a federal correct case against her. You never like
Speaker 2: to dance on anyone's grave, but certainly she has disgraced
Speaker 2: herself and very difficult to do, has disgraced the Boston
Speaker 2: City Council as well. So we'll get to all of that,
Speaker 2: I'm sure, in some form of fashion later on, but
Speaker 2: I want to start off with Scott Sutton. Scott knows
Speaker 2: a lot more about TikTok than I do, and he
Speaker 2: is the CEO of a marketing brand brand called a
Speaker 2: brand called later Latr. Scott Sutton, Welcome to Nightside. How
Speaker 2: are you.
Speaker 3: You're doing great, Dan, Thanks for having me appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know much about TikTok. I know that
Speaker 2: it's owned by a Chinese communist company which is probably
Speaker 2: under the control of, not the very strong influence of
Speaker 2: the leaders of China, and a lot of people are
Speaker 2: concerned about the content on TikTok. Does that set up
Speaker 2: the concern as you understand it, and you of course
Speaker 2: really understand it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's It's been quite the topic on
Speaker 3: a variety of different fronts. I think this most current
Speaker 3: discussion is, you know, really around data privacy for American
Speaker 3: citizens and having control of TikTok with byte Dance, with
Speaker 3: ties back to China. And there have been lots of
Speaker 3: discussions about the leadership and the you know, the leadership
Speaker 3: in China having access to Americans data. So the root
Speaker 3: of all this is coming down to data privacy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and data privacy, but also look, you get on Facebook,
Speaker 2: you get on Instagram, those are American companies. The fact
Speaker 2: that China has all of this information, how many young
Speaker 2: people and how many people are on TikTok approximately.
Speaker 3: I want to say in the United States it's something
Speaker 3: like one hundred and seventy million users. It's an immense
Speaker 3: amount of users, and the amount of content is staggering,
Speaker 3: and the amount of information that can be gathered from
Speaker 3: that content really is vast.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I know that our government is basically threatening
Speaker 2: to threatening TikTok they'll shut them down unless they agreed
Speaker 2: to a US ownership to sell it to US interest. Again,
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to make sure that I'm following the
Speaker 2: story correctly. Is that the impast that we have arrived at.
Speaker 3: Yeah, The position has often from the Trump administration, with
Speaker 3: Biden stepping out in the recent developments. The original ask
Speaker 3: was to fully divest the entirety of the US entity
Speaker 3: and give up control transfer to an American owner. Since then,
Speaker 3: they've softened their position to allow Bidance to have fifty
Speaker 3: percent ownership within China, but to have the large controlling
Speaker 3: interests be state side to better control the decision making
Speaker 3: as well as access to data for ByteDance wants the
Speaker 3: TikTok Us entity transfers hands.
Speaker 2: So Trump doesn't want this to go away. He wants
Speaker 2: to keep TikTok up there because I think he sees
Speaker 2: that as a tool that he's able to use correct, correctly, correct. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think what we're seeing right now is TikTok is
Speaker 3: caught up in a much larger foreign policy discussion along
Speaker 3: with the terrorists and everything going on. You've seen the
Speaker 3: back and forth. This is very much part of an
Speaker 3: overarching negotiation around US and China. I do think that
Speaker 3: we want US control for the data privacy, but conceding
Speaker 3: that fifty percent was very much a strategic form policy
Speaker 3: move and it will continue to be a discussion as
Speaker 3: we work through the kind of closure of this entire negotiation.
Speaker 2: Okay, so thank you for bringing it to the terrorists,
Speaker 2: because I assume that this was part of the deal.
Speaker 2: How do you see this working out? I mean, do
Speaker 2: you see that somehow TikTok China wants talk to remain active,
Speaker 2: that that might give the US some leverage on tariffs,
Speaker 2: or do you see it differently? How do you see
Speaker 2: this wrapping up these the issues not only of tariffs
Speaker 2: and TikTok and as they interrelate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think in both the cases of TikTok and
Speaker 3: the terriffs. You know, the Trump administration has created leverage
Speaker 3: and is trying to create a position of power from
Speaker 3: which to negotiate, and I think what you saw this
Speaker 3: week was a strong move with very aggressive tariffs, and
Speaker 3: then what you saw was an openness to have discussions
Speaker 3: to land in a middle ground, creating some type of
Speaker 3: leverage for the United States and these forign policy discussions.
Speaker 3: I think TikTok is also a part of that larger
Speaker 3: discussion with China. There was already a tariff discussion wrapped
Speaker 3: into Sentinel that wrapped earlier with a ten percent tariff.
Speaker 3: From when Trump originally came in, he saw an escalation
Speaker 3: of terrorists and then the retaliatory terrorists. So right now
Speaker 3: there's a lot of posturing, but TikTok is caught up
Speaker 3: in what is a much larger US and China relationship conversation.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're the expert, I'm not. At the end
Speaker 2: of the day, does TikTok live or die? And who
Speaker 2: controls one of your opinion?
Speaker 3: I think one hundred percent TikTok will will remain. I
Speaker 3: think part of Trump's original campaign and his commitment to
Speaker 3: working through this deal is signaling that you know, TikTok
Speaker 3: is important to American citizens. He wants to continue to
Speaker 3: have the app in existence, and I think that there
Speaker 3: will be a deal negotiated. To whom that is still
Speaker 3: up in the air. It looks like Oracle and a
Speaker 3: Group is a front runner. We saw a late bid
Speaker 3: from Amazon last week. We've seen other parties. You know,
Speaker 3: you have mister b center the discussion. I think ultimately
Speaker 3: Oracle and a Group there is the leading contender, but
Speaker 3: will have to see as details emerge.
Speaker 2: Do you think Elon Musk gets involved in this in
Speaker 2: any way, shape or form or no. Is that not
Speaker 2: his thing?
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't see it, But at the same time, I've
Speaker 3: been surprised or less surprised by other things.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think with all all that's on his plate between
Speaker 3: you know, last last week we saw Xai acquiring x
Speaker 3: in a forty three billion dollar buyout. He's wrapping up
Speaker 3: his work in Doge. It would seem Tesla's stock has
Speaker 3: been down and he wants to refocus on some of
Speaker 3: those efforts. He's already got enough on his plate. It
Speaker 3: would seem to take on one more thing in a
Speaker 3: very very large investment. It seems unlikely.
Speaker 2: I've really enjoyed this conversation, Scott. I don't know much
Speaker 2: about this, but you've given me some es which have
Speaker 2: been very helpful for me to understand it a little
Speaker 2: bit better and hopefully to my audience as well. I
Speaker 2: want to thank you. Tell me about your company later.
Speaker 2: How can folks get in touch with you? What do
Speaker 2: you do? Want to give you a chance to just
Speaker 2: talk about your work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much for that.
Speaker 5: So later.
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Speaker 3: so we post millions of posts on social media. We
Speaker 3: help some of the largest enterprises in the world do
Speaker 3: data driven advertising and influencer activations on social media, so
Speaker 3: they this really is the future of marketing is on
Speaker 3: social and we're taking a very data driven approach. So
Speaker 3: we're seeing firsthand as consumer sentiment shifts and user sentiment
Speaker 3: around the band comes up. We can see the actual
Speaker 3: data move from the post quantity investment dollars. If people
Speaker 3: want to find us, it's later dot com. But a
Speaker 3: really really interesting time to be in social media and
Speaker 3: appreciate the chance to talk about it with y'all.
Speaker 2: And you know, Scott, you can pull out this interview
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Speaker 2: We do this five nights a week, eight to midnight.
Speaker 2: And you've been a really great guest. I'd love to
Speaker 2: have you back anything.
Speaker 3: We'd love to We're in Boston, right down the road
Speaker 3: from y'all. We'll definitely definitely share out. Yeah, well we'll
Speaker 3: share out on our side as well, but always happy
Speaker 3: to have a conversation and support Boston.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much, God go Boston. All right, when we
Speaker 2: get back, we're going to change topics. We're going to
Speaker 2: look back at the fate of a couple of generals,
Speaker 2: Douglas MacArthur and a general, a little lesser known general,
Speaker 2: Jonathan Mayhew Wainwright. Interesting book, The Fate of the Generals.
Speaker 2: It's out as of April first. Those of you who
Speaker 2: are historians are going to love this. Next guest, we'll
Speaker 2: be back on night Side right after this.
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Speaker 2: All Right, we have I think a book that it's
Speaker 2: going to fascinate a lot of my listeners. It's called
Speaker 2: The Fate of the Generals. MacArthur Wainwright in the epic
Speaker 2: Battle for the Philippines, details the story of two World
Speaker 2: War Two generals who both received the Medal of Honor
Speaker 2: through contrasting means of leadership with us. As Jonathan Horn,
Speaker 2: author and former White House speech writer for George W.
Speaker 2: Bush w as we would say, Jonathan Horn, welcome to nightside.
Speaker 5: How are you, thanks so much for having me tonight.
Speaker 2: You're very welcome. Wainwright is obviously less known than MacArthur,
Speaker 2: so let's talk about what Waynwright went through. And I'm
Speaker 2: also I realized my dad spent two and a half
Speaker 2: years in China, Burman, India during World War Two, and
Speaker 2: I remember lots of talk about General Stillwell, Joe Stillwell,
Speaker 2: and he doesn't make your book. I'm interested. It is
Speaker 2: the story all around the Battle for the Philippines, as
Speaker 2: the title would imply, and that's why it's Wayne Wright
Speaker 2: and MacArthur.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, so many of us remember that famous
Speaker 5: vow that Douglas mccarthur made I shall return, and he
Speaker 5: said those words after being ordered to evacuate the Philippines
Speaker 5: at the start of World War two when the Japanese invaded,
Speaker 5: and he left behind his army to starvation and eventually
Speaker 5: to surrender. And as you said, we've forgotten the story
Speaker 5: of the general who stayed and had to become the
Speaker 5: highest ranking prisoner of war of World War two, and
Speaker 5: that is Jonathan Mayhew Wainewright. And he also made a vow,
Speaker 5: and his vow was to stay with his men whatever
Speaker 5: the cost, and to share their fate if necessary, as
Speaker 5: the highest ranking prisoner of war. And I think you
Speaker 5: can't understand MacArthur's vow to return unless you understand the
Speaker 5: vow of the general who vowed to stay. So these
Speaker 5: two vows need to be in the same book. And
Speaker 5: still well, of course, what was was the man in
Speaker 5: China and Burma, and he had a very frustrating experience
Speaker 5: during World War two. He's not part of this story, sure,
Speaker 5: because it is focused on on the Philippines and MacArthur's
Speaker 5: attempt to return.
Speaker 2: So now MacArthur the better known okay uh, And of
Speaker 2: course MacArthur ends up with with a problem with Truman
Speaker 2: in Korea, and eventually uh Is is basically, I guess,
Speaker 2: not discharged, but but but he he basically has to
Speaker 2: comply with what the civilian leadership said during the Korean War.
Speaker 2: Did did MacArthur want to lead? Tell me why? Why
Speaker 2: did one leave in the other and the other stay?
Speaker 2: What's the what's the story behind that? I'm sure that's
Speaker 2: the critical nature of the book.
Speaker 5: That's a great question. And the answer is MacArthur received
Speaker 5: orders from President Roosevelt to leave the Philippines. He was
Speaker 5: prepared to die if necessary there, but the thinking in
Speaker 5: Washington was MacArthur was too important to go down with
Speaker 5: the ship, if you can believe it, because he's become
Speaker 5: a symbol for what it was so hard to find
Speaker 5: in the world in nineteen forty two. In early nineteen
Speaker 5: forty two, because at that time it looked like the
Speaker 5: Japanese were just succeeding everywhere they went, and the only
Speaker 5: place that Americans could see evidence of resistance was the Philippines.
Speaker 5: And because MacArthur was in charge of the radio, when
Speaker 5: you know the power of the radio, all the communicators
Speaker 5: out of the Philippines mentioned one guy, and that was MacArthur,
Speaker 5: so he was thought to be too valuable to let
Speaker 5: go down with the ship, and Wainwright took over.
Speaker 2: So waine Wright ends up captured with the as surrender.
Speaker 2: I guess the troops surrender, correct.
Speaker 5: Correct, And in fact, tomorrow is the anniversary of the
Speaker 5: surrender of Batan, which is the largest surrender in American history.
Speaker 5: Nearly eighty thousand forces surrendered on April ninth, nineteen forty
Speaker 5: two in the Philippines or United States forces.
Speaker 2: Is the Death March of Batan.
Speaker 5: That is the Death March. Wainwright fights the one for
Speaker 5: one more month on the nearby island of Krigador, and
Speaker 5: then he'll have to ultimately surrender and also surrender all
Speaker 5: the Philippine islands, which were back then most people forget
Speaker 5: they were an American colony at the time.
Speaker 2: Sure, so, Wainwright is a pow, highest ranking pow in
Speaker 2: the history of the United States Armed Forces.
Speaker 5: He was certainly the highest of World War Two. He
Speaker 5: was a lieutenant general when he was taking pow. And
Speaker 5: he you know, the Japanese did not treat prisoner as
Speaker 5: well they as many American commanders learned in the Pacific.
Speaker 5: The Japanese themselves did not believe in surrender, and they
Speaker 5: had no respect for those who did surrender. So Wainwright
Speaker 5: will face systematic starvation. He will be beaten and tortured,
Speaker 5: and the Japanese will try to use him for propaganda,
Speaker 5: and of course they isolate him in ways that really
Speaker 5: are in himself torture.
Speaker 2: Well, a lot of the POWs in Vietnam saw that
Speaker 2: as well, well McCain and others who are held prisoner
Speaker 2: of war during the Vietnam War. So how does we
Speaker 2: know how the story ends for macarthy? He returns, he
Speaker 2: gets a lot of the glory and eventually is in
Speaker 2: charge in Korea and defies Truman, and Truman brings him
Speaker 2: to heal. How does it end for Waynwright?
Speaker 5: Well, Wayne Wright will spend the rest of the war
Speaker 5: as a prisoner. In fact, the Japanese move him around.
Speaker 5: They bring him from the Philippines to Taiwan and eventually
Speaker 5: all the way to Manchuria. Wainwright will face negative forty
Speaker 5: nine degree temperatures. I mean, this really uses a story
Speaker 5: of survival in addition to courage and sacrifice. And in
Speaker 5: the end of the war he is eventually taken out
Speaker 5: of prison and If you look at the photo of
Speaker 5: MacArthur on the USS Missouri at the end of the war,
Speaker 5: you will see Wainwright standing behind him and MacArthur will
Speaker 5: hand him one of the pens he uses to sign
Speaker 5: the instrument of surrender.
Speaker 2: Wow. What a great story or what a great book.
Speaker 2: The book has come out on April first, so it's
Speaker 2: available right now, Jonathan.
Speaker 5: Right April fifteenth, next week, but it's available for pre
Speaker 5: order wherever books are sold.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, okay. The fate of the generals Macartha, Wainwright
Speaker 2: and the epic Battle for the Philippines. So let me
Speaker 2: tell you. Why was last question? Why did the Japanese
Speaker 2: spare Wayne Wright's life? I mean they they could have
Speaker 2: killed them. How was it American troops that found him
Speaker 2: in Manchuria? How did that or was it Chinese troops
Speaker 2: who were our ally at the time that that liberated
Speaker 2: him in Manchuria?
Speaker 5: You know, that's a fabulous question. And people in Washington
Speaker 5: were really worried what the Japanese might do to Wayne
Speaker 5: right as the war was ending, So a special OSS
Speaker 5: team was sent to go find Wainwright. The OSS, being
Speaker 5: the precursor to the CIA, was sent to go land
Speaker 5: and jump into Manchuria and find Wainwright, and they did
Speaker 5: locate him, and ultimately he left that prison if you
Speaker 5: can believe it with Soviet troops who were coming through
Speaker 5: Manchuria themselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it doesn't. That does not surprise me at all.
Speaker 2: But that's a that's a great story to learn in
Speaker 2: the book as well, Jonathan. I really enjoyed it very
Speaker 2: very much, and keep us posted on your other other books.
Speaker 5: Would like to keep in touch with you, okay, and
Speaker 5: thank you so much for having me on tonight. I
Speaker 5: enjoyed the conversation.
Speaker 2: Well, I hope that this book becomes This is a
Speaker 2: This is a great book. This is a book when
Speaker 2: I think of Father's day books for fathers or grandfathers,
Speaker 2: this is the one, folks that I think, if you
Speaker 2: give it to your grandfather, if he happened to be
Speaker 2: a World War Two veteran, or are you whatever, the
Speaker 2: Fate of the Generals, this is one I'm going to read.
Speaker 2: Thanks Jonathan very much. Jonathan Horne, the author of the
Speaker 2: Fate of the Generals, MacArthur Wainwright and the Epic Battle
Speaker 2: for the Philippines. Thanks again, I really enjoyed this conversation.
Speaker 5: Jonathan, thank you too.
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Speaker 2: follow up with the first robot assisted live liver transplant
Speaker 2: at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center. We'll be talking with
Speaker 2: doctor Martin Dibbs. So follow up to a conversation we
Speaker 2: had about a week ago, and I think you're going
Speaker 2: to be fascinated by this part of the story. Back
Speaker 2: on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1: It's night Side on WBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Well, about a week or so ago, we had a
Speaker 2: very interesting conversation, and to be really honest with you,
Speaker 2: I probably was so interested in the macro conversation that
Speaker 2: I didn't focus on what we really needed to talk
Speaker 2: about that night. So I am delighted, someone embarrassed, but
Speaker 2: delighted to welcome back Dr Martin Dibbs. He's the surgeon
Speaker 2: involved in a procedure the first liver transplant that involved
Speaker 2: the first robot assisted live liver transplant. Doctor Dibbs, welcome back.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you joining us because the questions your answers
Speaker 2: were so fascinating I just lost track of the time.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for coming back.
Speaker 4: And thank you so much for your interest and support
Speaker 4: spreading the word.
Speaker 2: So how tell us how a Well, most of us
Speaker 2: are a little skeptical of robots. Okay, if I was
Speaker 2: going to have a liver transplant, I probably would be
Speaker 2: looking for doctor Martin Dibbs or someone of your caliber,
Speaker 2: and you know robots, maybe not. How long? When when
Speaker 2: were robots first considered and and how long does it
Speaker 2: take to get them from the first consideration to where
Speaker 2: we are today?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so robotic surgery has been here since year two thousand,
Speaker 4: so there has been over twenty years of robotic surgery
Speaker 4: in the world. First was in France in year two
Speaker 4: thousand and then in the US in year two thousand
Speaker 4: and three. What it means is that you have a
Speaker 4: robotic surgical system that helps the surgeon do exactly what
Speaker 4: we would do open with a big incision, but with
Speaker 4: small incisions, And it's kind of similar to what people
Speaker 4: you know about laparoscopic surgery, that we go inside the
Speaker 4: abdomen with a camera and then we do everything we
Speaker 4: would do open but with small incisions. But the robot
Speaker 4: gives us the possibilit of having better instruments, so it
Speaker 4: has better visualization and better ergonomics and angulation of the
Speaker 4: instruments to be able to do more complex procedure but
Speaker 4: with minimally invasive and small incisions as opposed to the
Speaker 4: big incisions.
Speaker 2: So is it fair to say, I just know I
Speaker 2: do not want to either downplay or overstate the importance
Speaker 2: of the robotic aspect. Is it Is it fair to
Speaker 2: say that the the robot's role is really to provide insight.
Speaker 2: Is the robot doing the procedure or is the robot
Speaker 2: in effect acting as the guide and telling the doctors okay,
Speaker 2: it's okay here. We got to go here because the
Speaker 2: robotic insertion of the instruments by the and the camera
Speaker 2: by the robot gives you a look at the area
Speaker 2: that's being worked on more effectively than it would be
Speaker 2: without the robot. Or does the robot actually do part
Speaker 2: of the procedure.
Speaker 4: No, the robot doesn't do the procedure. It's not controlling
Speaker 4: the robot. It is a good question because people tend
Speaker 4: to think that is the robot actually telling us what
Speaker 4: to do. Is actually the opposite. So we have a
Speaker 4: console that is right next to the to the patient,
Speaker 4: and we have a surgeon in the console controlling all
Speaker 4: the arms of the robot, and then there's a surgeon
Speaker 4: that is at the bedside basically assisting with all the
Speaker 4: instrumentation at the bedside. So it's always a two surgeon
Speaker 4: at least two surgeon case and the robot.
Speaker 2: Now, but everyone's in the same operating room, right, It's
Speaker 2: not when you say the patient is at the it's
Speaker 2: not as if they were in the same operating room.
Speaker 4: Right in the same operating room. And we are all
Speaker 4: planning to keep it like that and not necessarily do
Speaker 4: surgeries from overseas because that wouldn't necessarily be safe at
Speaker 4: least with the current technology.
Speaker 2: Okay, So no remote surgeries, okay now, and this is
Speaker 2: the first one here in Boston. Has it been used
Speaker 2: since the first one or yes?
Speaker 4: So just to explain that robotic surgery has been used
Speaker 4: for over twenty years in the US, but mostly it
Speaker 4: has been for urology procedures or colorectal surgery or hernias,
Speaker 4: but liver surgery has was one of the last ones
Speaker 4: to adapt the technology given the complexity of the operations. Yes,
Speaker 4: and so in the past five years in the world,
Speaker 4: we have been doing more liver surgery with the robot
Speaker 4: and we have learned how to really take advantage of
Speaker 4: that surgical system to be able to get better visualization
Speaker 4: and do more complex procedures.
Speaker 2: So leaving Donnor, Yeah, so you said again you use
Speaker 2: the word visualization. Is the liver and I interrupted you,
Speaker 2: and I apologize for that. So let me just finish
Speaker 2: the question which I shouldn't have started and interrupted you.
Speaker 2: Is the liver more inaccessible some of the other procedures
Speaker 2: that you talk about, are they more accessible in the
Speaker 2: liver because of his position within the body less accessible
Speaker 2: to the surgeon without the assistance of the robot.
Speaker 4: The accessibility of the liver is pretty similar to the
Speaker 4: other organs. But the complexity of liver surgery includes the
Speaker 4: fact that we need to do a lot of vascular work,
Speaker 4: so the liver is full of vessels and in this case,
Speaker 4: for for example, what we talked last week about leaving
Speaker 4: donor liver transplant. We need to make sure that the
Speaker 4: donor has perfectly functional liver at the end and that
Speaker 4: the other behalf of the liver that goes to the
Speaker 4: recipient will be completely viable. So the complexity is high,
Speaker 4: and that's why we have been slow to adapt this technology.
Speaker 4: But over the past five years it has been really
Speaker 4: crucial to do more and more complex surgeries minimally invasive.
Speaker 2: And when you started your career as a surgeon, did
Speaker 2: you anticipate that there would be, you know, a robotic
Speaker 2: aspect of it sometime or has the future arrived more
Speaker 2: quickly than you would have anticipated.
Speaker 4: Way more quickly. I started my career as a surgeon
Speaker 4: here in Boston, and the technology at that point was
Speaker 4: very very was barely starting. But right now we can
Speaker 4: see that the robotic techniques and surgery has been increasing
Speaker 4: so much that in fact, now the robotic surgical devices
Speaker 4: are giving you feedback on how much pressure you're putting
Speaker 4: in the tissue, and they're going to be advancing more
Speaker 4: and more to be able to do less incisions and do,
Speaker 4: for example, robotic surgery with only one small incision as
Speaker 4: opposed to four, and so I think that this is
Speaker 4: here to stay and it has definitely allowed us to
Speaker 4: do complex dream with a faster recovery and better cosmesis
Speaker 4: better outcomes and people get getting back to a regular
Speaker 4: life again.
Speaker 2: It's always amazing to talk with you, doctor Dibbs. I
Speaker 2: really appreciate you doing a second time with me, and
Speaker 2: again thank you for what you and your colleagues do
Speaker 2: for us, for people, for humanity every day of the week.
Speaker 2: Not many of us can have the impact the individual
Speaker 2: impact that you have in the lives of individuals and
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Speaker 2: will be back on Nightside and we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about something very different, and that is the one hundred,
Speaker 2: one hundred greatest golfers in the history of the game.
Speaker 2: The Masters starts later this week, so we're going to
Speaker 2: talk about one hundred greatest Masters, not those who competed
Speaker 2: to the Masters, but the hundred greatest golfers.
Speaker 1: Coming back on Nightside, Night Side with Dan Ray on
Speaker 1: WBS Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Well, the Master starts this Thursday and is a it's
Speaker 2: a cold night in Boston, but hopefully by Thursday it
Speaker 2: will warm up a little bit down in Georgia when
Speaker 2: they start, they start the Master's tournament with us to
Speaker 2: talk about it. As an author and sportswriter who contributes to,
Speaker 2: amongst other places, of the New York Times in the
Speaker 2: Washington Post, Michael Arkush, Michael Arkush, welcome to night Side.
Speaker 2: How are you.
Speaker 6: I'm great? How are you just fine?
Speaker 2: The hundred greatest golfers. Now, I've known some golfers uh
Speaker 2: and primarily senior golfers. A couple of buddies of mine
Speaker 2: played on the senior Tour, so uh pretty uh well, uh,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you some time off here. Okay, but was
Speaker 2: there was there was But he might have pitched for
Speaker 2: the Yankees who went on the Senior Tours. A golfer
Speaker 2: Ralph Terry.
Speaker 7: Yeah, sure, yeah, and he he didn't make a lot
Speaker 7: of money in the Senior Tour, but he was, you know,
Speaker 7: such a talented athlete to become a major League baseball
Speaker 7: player pitcher for the Yankees, and but his.
Speaker 2: First love was golf. And so through him, I got
Speaker 2: to meet a lot of the Chichie Rodriguez era guys
Speaker 2: on the tours. Chi Chi on the this Chichi making.
Speaker 6: No no no Chechi. I'll tell you, though we missed Chichi,
Speaker 6: we miss characters in the game like camp. He was
Speaker 6: so much fun to watch. I was fortunate to cover
Speaker 6: the Senior Tour for golf Old magazine in the late nineties,
Speaker 6: and uh, nobody, nobody has been more entertaining than Chichi Rodriguez.
Speaker 2: Yeah. He sort of brought a joy de viverra to
Speaker 2: the game that maybe uh was before that was missing.
Speaker 2: But that that that's uh, that's neither here ner there,
Speaker 2: let's u. I was interested and I've looked here, and
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that number one hundred was a guy
Speaker 2: from Ireland who won the US Open before Francis Woman.
Speaker 2: I was unaware of him.
Speaker 6: No, he was John McDermott. He won the Open opened
Speaker 6: back to back and at nineteen years old to do
Speaker 6: this day, he's still the youngest player to win the
Speaker 6: US Open. It's a really tragic story. I'll try to
Speaker 6: sort of condense it a little bit. Is that he
Speaker 6: collapsed to his pro shop a couple of years later
Speaker 6: and wound up. His family wound up sending him to
Speaker 6: a psychiatric hospital where he spent much of his life.
Speaker 6: But in nineteen seventy one, at the US Open and Marion,
Speaker 6: he was sort of ushered out of the pro shop
Speaker 6: by an assistant pro had no idea who he was,
Speaker 6: but at that moment Arnold Palmer walked in and saw
Speaker 6: that and he was McDermott was Arnold Palmer's guest the
Speaker 6: rest of the week. How about that?
Speaker 2: A great story. The other guy in the Senior Tour
Speaker 2: who won the British Open, Bruce Vaughn who was never
Speaker 2: on the PGA Tour, but on the senior tour as
Speaker 2: a fella from Ralph Terry's hometown. Ralph taught and played
Speaker 2: to play golf at the age of twenty. And when
Speaker 2: the British the Senior British Open, not the British Open,
Speaker 2: the Senior British Open. Okay, so you're not going to
Speaker 2: tell who's number one, obviously, I'm going tell you will, Okay, Hey.
Speaker 6: Of course you know it's out it's out there. Drum roll.
Speaker 6: Do you have a drum roll?
Speaker 2: I don't, but I go there.
Speaker 6: That's pretty good. I'll think it's Jack Nicholas. Jack Nicholas.
Speaker 6: By the way, Jack Nipples did not win eighteen majors.
Speaker 6: He won twenty. Everyone says eighteen, but I'm counting the
Speaker 6: US Amateur in fifty nine and sixty one, which were
Speaker 6: counted for years. When he won in eighty six and Augusta,
Speaker 6: everybody said this is Jack's twentieth major, and somebody, I
Speaker 6: don't think it was you, Okay, I'm not sure took
Speaker 6: those two away and he suddenly has eighteen. I'm giving
Speaker 6: them back. I'm restoring those two.
Speaker 2: Well, good for you, that's good So when is Tiger
Speaker 2: fall here? Because you know number two, number two, number two, okay,
Speaker 2: so Arnold's got to be pretty close. Arnold's number five, okay.
Speaker 2: So now I got to figure out who's between Arnold.
Speaker 2: So we get maybe Ben Hogan and Sam Sneain three
Speaker 2: or four?
Speaker 6: You got one, right, Hogan's at number four. Who's number three?
Speaker 2: Man? Well your testing me here? Let me Modernvy hand
Speaker 2: on jiv hand.
Speaker 6: He played in nineteen twenties. He would star in the
Speaker 6: nineteen twenties.
Speaker 2: Nineteen twenties, just before my time.
Speaker 6: Just a little bitfore your time, right, yeah, Bobby Jones,
Speaker 6: Oh sure, yeah.
Speaker 2: I should have figured that. I mean, that's that's that.
Speaker 2: If I was thinking right, I would have I understand that.
Speaker 2: Did you have number six? You have a female golfer?
Speaker 6: Mickey right? Mickey right. It's amazing. I talked to people
Speaker 6: and they go, who's Mickey right? And I can't believe it.
Speaker 6: She was incredible, eighty to wins thirteen majors. There was
Speaker 6: a four year stress in the early sixties. She won
Speaker 6: forty four times, pretty much scaled back at the age
Speaker 6: of thirty four or otherwise would have won ninety maybe
Speaker 6: a hundred tournaments.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and some of these great female athletes, as I'm
Speaker 2: sure you know. You know Teddley Albright who was a
Speaker 2: figure skating Olympian champion and from Boston was a surgeon.
Speaker 2: You know, after her career as a figure skater, what
Speaker 2: did Ricky write do with the rest of her life?
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, she was really gave very few interviews,
Speaker 6: by the way, and did not play that much golf. Yeah,
Speaker 6: she was very very reclusive in a way, but she
Speaker 6: had injuries earlier on as well. Ben Hogan said that
Speaker 6: she had the greatest swing ever male or female, and
Speaker 6: that's saying something to come from Ben Hogan.
Speaker 2: Wow, boy, that's that's sure, is okay? So let's talk
Speaker 2: about the modern day golfers. The guys will be keep
Speaker 2: competing this weekend down to the Masters. Who's the top
Speaker 2: rank you know, from your perspective in your.
Speaker 6: Book, Rory McElroy number twenty five, and Rory I believe
Speaker 6: if he wins the Masters. I haven't done the exact numbers,
Speaker 6: but ORI's four or five spots in the rankings. It's
Speaker 6: incredible that he has not won a major since twenty fourteen.
Speaker 6: If you had told me in twenty fourteen. He's not
Speaker 6: going to win one for ten more years. I would
Speaker 6: I don't know how much money I would have put
Speaker 6: on that. That's insane. He's in his mid thirties now,
Speaker 6: time is beginning to run out a little bit. He's
Speaker 6: got to add a few more to his legacy.
Speaker 2: Wow, this is how long did it take you to,
Speaker 2: you know, to do to pull this book together?
Speaker 6: A long time. I started in this nineteen twelve no.
Speaker 6: I started in two thousand, in the fall of twenty
Speaker 6: twenty one, and it took me roughly three years. I
Speaker 6: read every single article on Golf Digest from nineteen fifty on.
Speaker 6: I know I'm insane. You can say that, and I read.
Speaker 2: Don't worry about it.
Speaker 6: A lot of us are exactly this a long group, exactly,
Speaker 6: but I read. I read it close to one hundred books,
Speaker 6: did hundreds of interviews. I watched YouTube. You know you
Speaker 6: watch YouTube too much. You watch these tournaments and go
Speaker 6: into a rabbit hole. It's very scary. Yeah, but I
Speaker 6: watched tons of tournaments.
Speaker 2: Okay, let let me throw a couple more names at you.
Speaker 2: You know, younger guys right now, Mikekelson and Travino they
Speaker 2: got to be there at some point.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Trevino's number is fifteen. Trevino is incredible. I mean,
Speaker 6: he grew up with nothing and he made so much
Speaker 6: of himself hard work and one of the great ball
Speaker 6: strikers of all time. Phil Micholson is number thirteen. Phil
Speaker 6: Ncholson has six majors. He should have eight or nine
Speaker 6: maybe more. Became too aggressive, too off and threw a
Speaker 6: few majors away. It's you know, a lot of guys.
Speaker 6: Tell you, a lot of guys in this book did
Speaker 6: not live up to the expectations that we the press had,
Speaker 6: even though they had great careers.
Speaker 2: Okay, what about Gary Player.
Speaker 6: Gary Player's number two eleven, Gary Player nine time, nine majors,
Speaker 6: only non American to win the Grand Slam, eighty nine
Speaker 6: years old. You're going to see him on Thursday, hit
Speaker 6: the ceremonial t shot. He's going to look like he's
Speaker 6: thirty nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, my understanding is to play. When
Speaker 2: he was playing, he would never shake hands with his
Speaker 2: right hand on the day of the tournament, that he
Speaker 2: would only shake with his left hand because he didn't
Speaker 2: want to have anybody grabbed the right hand and squeeze
Speaker 2: the right hand.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you blame no.
Speaker 2: I don no, I don't, but I don't know if
Speaker 2: that's legendary or whatever. But I was told that by
Speaker 2: a pretty good source, Michael. I really enjoyed this conversation.
Speaker 2: The book The Golf one hundred is spirited ranking of
Speaker 2: the greatest players of all time that's available. It's out
Speaker 2: as of April first, twenty twenty five Amazon. If you
Speaker 2: got a golfer in your family, think about Father's Day
Speaker 2: coming up. This would be the perfect gift for a golfer.
Speaker 2: Michael ash Arkush, thank you so much for your time
Speaker 2: and love to get you back. We could talk more.
Speaker 6: I look forward to it. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Thanks Michael. All Right, when we get back, we're going
Speaker 2: to get to the matters at hand. For the evening.
Speaker 2: There was some late news today that we mentioned Christin
Speaker 2: who is not going to run for US Senate seat
Speaker 2: in New Hampshire. I unfortunately, we're gonna We're gonna talk, however,
Speaker 2: about the Karen Reid case and has anyone changed their mind?
Speaker 2: And I guess there are people who have switched from
Speaker 2: one side to the other and it's caused some controversy.
Speaker 2: We will explain right after the break. Here for the
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