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Speaker 1: for another episode of the Age of Transitions. We're in
Speaker 1: the thick of it, just doing what we can, doing
Speaker 1: what we always do on this show, trying to make
Speaker 1: sense of the senseless, and we're going to see what
Speaker 1: we can and we're gonna see what we do. It
Speaker 1: has been that's been interesting to like look back as
Speaker 1: we move forward, and that's been the project over at
Speaker 1: the Patreon of me looking back at the old truth
Speaker 1: movement slash alternative media material from when I got involved
Speaker 1: in all this myself back in the mid two thousands
Speaker 1: era and up until now, and the different the different
Speaker 1: things that have happened along the way, and just thinking
Speaker 1: also about from a wider lens beyond alternative media, conspiracy culture,
Speaker 1: truth movement, beyond all that sort of stuff, but to
Speaker 1: the greater Internet as a whole, and just trying to
Speaker 1: understand what that is.
Speaker 2: What's up shack, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to quick check something. Guys in the
Speaker 3: chat room, let me know if your ibe your stream
Speaker 3: is holding up okay, because I saw something that made
Speaker 3: it look like we lost stream for a moment. Just
Speaker 3: do me that favor. I see face shifter in the
Speaker 3: Ocelli chat room. If you just tell me you can
Speaker 3: hear me, just fine. I'd appreciate it because I just
Speaker 3: had a weird indicator. But also I had a question
Speaker 3: about this history because you know, the other day I
Speaker 3: was listening to the I'm gonna throw a plug to
Speaker 3: a weird YouTube channel, been going good, okay, good good.
Speaker 3: Then then I took care of the glitch before it
Speaker 3: became a problem, which is good thing. And that means
Speaker 3: that we're also going out over on your video channels
Speaker 3: as well. Right erin.
Speaker 1: For the Uncle Hour. I actually do not use the
Speaker 1: video streaming for the Age of transitions. Oddly enough, it's
Speaker 1: only the Uncle should I start doing at This is
Speaker 1: purely the age of transitions, purely just the podcasts I do.
Speaker 2: Well, you shouldn't. It's on the Ocelli Radio network.
Speaker 3: You should do the video of this too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it makes sense. Yeah, I mean I've
Speaker 1: I mean we're talking a little ahead of this, Chuck
Speaker 1: about this. I've been thinking a lot a lot about
Speaker 1: different ideas for content and like what's good, what's useful,
Speaker 1: and that frankly, it dovetails with what Internet is, what
Speaker 1: Internet history is, where it's going the Internet, which to
Speaker 1: my mind is hell in a handbasket.
Speaker 3: Right, you know, But but I'm watching people. But see, Okay,
Speaker 3: something I noticed on the Google AI is that they
Speaker 3: source a lot of stuff from obviously, you know, things
Speaker 3: like YouTube, right, and there are people creating histories, media
Speaker 3: histories of all sorts on YouTube, all right.
Speaker 1: Commentary popular those are popular videos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's absolutely insane.
Speaker 3: I was comment I was on ground zero last week
Speaker 3: and I commented about you know, they were like, well,
Speaker 3: what about the secrecy of the mafia, and I went, yeah,
Speaker 3: so much secrecy that you know, Mike Frazis and Sammy
Speaker 3: the Bull have you know, YouTube channels, so you know,
Speaker 3: think about that. And that's true. By the way, there's
Speaker 3: also a couple other guys out there, I don't even
Speaker 3: want to mention them that have YouTube channels. There's a
Speaker 3: whole company actually devoted to talking to X mobsters, okay
Speaker 3: as a media production thing, and that's all. They talk
Speaker 3: to mobsters and guys who were in prison for serious offenses.
Speaker 3: And you know, it goes along with our true crime culture.
Speaker 3: You know, the people that watch, you know, eighty hours
Speaker 3: straight of you know, forensic files. All right. Anyways, putting
Speaker 3: that aside, though, there are people creating media histories, and
Speaker 3: they were talking about radio. Now they just let me
Speaker 3: go around on this, give me like two three minutes,
Speaker 3: I because it's important to your project. You're aware of
Speaker 3: Howard Stern obviously right now?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I used to listen and watch the
Speaker 1: TV show.
Speaker 3: Too, right now, depending on what era it just because
Speaker 3: you said TV show right away, that means you're a
Speaker 3: fan after I was listening.
Speaker 2: Okay, sure, so.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing that's a different era of the
Speaker 3: Stern Show where it got very visual. He had a
Speaker 3: whole separate team. He had either the E Network or
Speaker 3: he had Howard TV, which was pay per view.
Speaker 2: The E channel were the ones that I was watching.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, and those were great. But you got like
Speaker 3: a half hour out of the four and a half
Speaker 3: hour show.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it's interesting. It was almost the YouTube of
Speaker 1: its day where it's feeding you a clip of the show, right.
Speaker 3: Like the big important interview of that day. They would
Speaker 3: condense it into the Howard Stern Show on the E Network. Now,
Speaker 3: the E Network today is a joke. It's part of
Speaker 3: one of your free streaming services, right, But they were
Speaker 3: trying to launch themselves as a serious channel anyway, skip
Speaker 3: that they couldn't do it, But Sirius XM did all right,
Speaker 3: And at that time it was only serious because as
Speaker 3: we just talked about, you know, Martin Rothblatt, right, who's an.
Speaker 1: Interesting semblistic competitor. And then they and then they merged.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Martin Rothbert, yeah is the and.
Speaker 3: Martin was angry at that science because Martin had actually
Speaker 3: created the circumstances to allow XM to exist as well.
Speaker 1: And yeah, getting international treaties signed.
Speaker 3: No, she did all that or he did all that,
Speaker 3: depending on which part of the discussion we're talking about. Okay,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter, Okay, But my point is that I
Speaker 3: sat and I listened to this guy calls himself blind Mike,
Speaker 3: and I find him interesting because he kind of like
Speaker 3: goes through the history of comedy. And part of the
Speaker 3: history of comedy is also to track down media talk
Speaker 3: about you know, stand up specials and how people used
Speaker 3: to view those and how they're now viewed this way.
Speaker 3: And Dane Cook used you know, MySpace and this and that,
Speaker 3: and he was also a joke thief. So he's documenting
Speaker 3: a massive history of comedy and he goes into the
Speaker 3: media of Howard Stern and Opie and Anthony. You remember
Speaker 3: Opian Anthony.
Speaker 1: I know of it.
Speaker 2: I don't think I have ever listened to it at all.
Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough, But for a while there, Opie and
Speaker 3: Anthony became like the new Howard Stern when Howard Stern
Speaker 3: left Terrestrial Radio, and they were competitors of his before that. Okay,
Speaker 3: well are they based Are they based on New York?
Speaker 3: They were at a certain point, that's not where they started.
Speaker 3: But then again, neither did Howard Stern start in New York. Actually, Okay,
Speaker 3: so I got saying, realize that, oh yeah, Howard Stern
Speaker 3: was in Connecticut, Detroit, and Washington, d C. Before he
Speaker 3: landed a job in New York. Interesting, okay, And at
Speaker 3: one point he was like and at one point he
Speaker 3: was like an upstate New York like in Rochester, I think.
Speaker 3: And they made him a program director where he might
Speaker 3: have had an airshift or might have not.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: Actually the station Mada You're kind of fired him and said, actually,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you an upgrade in your job. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna make your station manager or a program director. Anyway,
Speaker 3: It's an interesting history and that's the way it used
Speaker 3: to be done. The Howard Stern Show. Today is this
Speaker 3: politically correct, weird a list celebrity pala around nonsense. It's
Speaker 3: nothing recognizable to the old Stern Show. I'm sorry, I'm
Speaker 3: coughing while I'm talking to you, but it's starting to
Speaker 3: happen randomly here. But anyway, the point of this discussion is,
Speaker 3: you see how I just pointed out part of the
Speaker 3: media history you didn't know about. Right, So this guy's
Speaker 3: trying to do a definitive history and he's an opian
Speaker 3: Anthony fan, and he's got stuff mixed up all over
Speaker 3: the place, and I'm listening to it, and I'm going, okay,
Speaker 3: So I went and I go check the AI. This
Speaker 3: guy's being copied by other people that are putting out
Speaker 3: you know, purely AI driven channels, right, And you can
Speaker 3: tell when they screw up phrases, and you're like, no
Speaker 3: human being would try to say it that way, right,
Speaker 3: Like the weirdness of the way somebody pronounces a name
Speaker 3: or something like that. You go, there's no way they
Speaker 3: would leave that mistake in there, and it's so robotic
Speaker 3: sounding that screw up. You know, you're listening to an
Speaker 3: AI tracked voice, and their whole channel is filled with that,
Speaker 3: with like weird AI presented slide shows that have inaccurate
Speaker 3: pictures that sort of match what's going on, you know,
Speaker 3: like they'll turn around and say original Black Sabbath during
Speaker 3: a discussion and they'll slot in a picture of Ronnie
Speaker 3: James deal with Black Sabbath. That's not the original band,
Speaker 3: but AI grabbed it because it's some mistake anyway. So
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the way the slop is, you know,
Speaker 3: very imprecise, and I'm realizing that between the AI channels
Speaker 3: and guys like this who don't really know the history
Speaker 3: but somehow think their opinion is the most important thing,
Speaker 3: they're not only creating a whole bunch of media that's inaccurate,
Speaker 3: but you go to the AI and the AI reflects it,
Speaker 3: so it becomes the new truth. The BS becomes the
Speaker 3: new truth. Howard Stern started in New York City. No,
Speaker 3: he did not. It's just simply not the thing, you know.
Speaker 3: And also he was making weird statements like well, at
Speaker 3: this time, Howard Stern was only on and you know
Speaker 3: Philadelphia and New York. Now that was true for a
Speaker 3: few months, but very quickly other stations started to sign on.
Speaker 3: It became, you know, many many stations all across the country.
Speaker 3: And then he had to deal with CBS TV at
Speaker 3: the same time he had the E Network. All these
Speaker 3: things went on. Anyway, this guy's misstepping all over the
Speaker 3: place because he's not a Howard Stern fan, and he's
Speaker 3: trying to point out the you know, the power of
Speaker 3: the Opie and Anthony show, not realizing that. You know,
Speaker 3: you got to give credit to the guy who actually
Speaker 3: did the work. Okay, he changed radio, Howard Stern did,
Speaker 3: and you know, after he left terrestrial radio, Opi and
Speaker 3: Anthony caught the flag. But anyway, not the point. The
Speaker 3: point is that when you look at the alternative media sphere,
Speaker 3: there are people that literally think Internet gave birth to
Speaker 3: social media, gave birth to alternative media. They miss the
Speaker 3: entirety of the online networks, the micro effect. Remember the
Speaker 3: micro effect broadcast system.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what that is.
Speaker 3: Okay, micro broadcasters all across the country. A lot of
Speaker 3: them are legal, some of them legal. We're broadcasting the
Speaker 3: radio stream from an online alternative media network. Okay, yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: so it was simultaneously terrestrial and Internet. Nobody has that history.
Speaker 3: When they start talking about alternative media, their alternative media
Speaker 3: history almost begins and ends with Alex Jones. They might
Speaker 3: mention Bill Cooper, but he was no big deal. Then
Speaker 3: came Alex Jones, Then came you know, Candice Owens, I
Speaker 3: mean like huge gap. Yeah, totally eliminating the whole Patriot
Speaker 3: radio phenomena, Totally eliminating the actual alternative media. You know
Speaker 3: if you remember, yeah, you know, the the different variations
Speaker 3: on all American radio. You know what was the biggest,
Speaker 3: remember the big network?
Speaker 1: Well I went with the with the material I've been
Speaker 1: watching on the Patreon that I've been even I've got
Speaker 1: my old DVD collection and has clips from all sorts
Speaker 1: of stuff, Like there's old cable access TV shows are
Speaker 1: pretty instructive on what the origins of alternative media, truth
Speaker 1: movement and absolutely Patriot movement type of stuff came from.
Speaker 1: So you got to look at that kind of thing too.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you definitely have to go back. You have
Speaker 1: to go back, you go behind, you gotta see through,
Speaker 1: and yeah, there's a lot of work to do and right.
Speaker 3: But because these people what you're talking about, Yeah, because
Speaker 3: these people are taking superficial looks at things. They even
Speaker 3: give the wrong description of what they call cable access.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they probably don't even know what it is, right, right.
Speaker 3: They basically go in some major cities they might have
Speaker 3: had a cable access network and I'm like, no, that
Speaker 3: was all across the country and pretty much any community
Speaker 3: that asked for it got it, okay, because it was
Speaker 3: like there was some FCC rule about.
Speaker 1: This, yes, yes, And I don't know exactly how it was.
Speaker 3: Worded, but it was almost like if the community asked
Speaker 3: for it, you had to provide it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a cable provider I believe had to put up
Speaker 1: the money, uh to fund Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that's how that wrks.
Speaker 3: Right, which is how I end up in Nutley, New Jersey,
Speaker 3: in the same studio where the Uncle Floyd Show is.
Speaker 3: You ever hear the Uncle Floyd Show?
Speaker 2: It sounds familiar, but again never seeing it.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's part of the cable access history that was
Speaker 3: a huge cult success where tape traders even though this
Speaker 3: isn't like a tri state area thing in New York,
Speaker 3: New Jersey, and I know they always argue, it's New York,
Speaker 3: New Jersey, Connecticut. But when I was a kid, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: it was actually New York, New Jersey. Pennsylvania was your
Speaker 3: tri state area. There we go, okay, But now they
Speaker 3: say it's New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut. Whatever. Let's
Speaker 3: consider all four of them. The metropolitan area. Our media,
Speaker 3: the stuff that I could see on a TV broadcast
Speaker 3: or on local cable. Our stuff would get taped and
Speaker 3: sent to other places. This is how people were excited
Speaker 3: to hear about Howard Stern before Howard Stern never showed
Speaker 3: up in a lot of other markets because Howard's fans
Speaker 3: in New York were tape traders. See that's an element
Speaker 3: that's missing from this. How the hell does anybody know
Speaker 3: about May Brussel, who broadcast out of Carmel, California, realistically, because.
Speaker 1: She sent active because she just has her She has
Speaker 1: her tiny little radio broadcast that doesn't go anywhere. It
Speaker 1: has to be transported by the tapes and all that.
Speaker 3: It was literally done that way because you could sign
Speaker 3: up for it, right, So even if somebody gave you
Speaker 3: a free tape of theirs, at the end, she'd say
Speaker 3: listen if you want, you send you know, ten dollars
Speaker 3: to me and I'll send you you know, next month's tapes.
Speaker 3: Whatever it was, you know, back in nineteen seventy whatever.
Speaker 3: And literally she was distributing her show by a tape
Speaker 3: in the seventies. Yeah, and people, Well, I'm not saying
Speaker 3: it's a huge audience, but my point is it gives
Speaker 3: her access to the greater market these conventional methodologies, much
Speaker 3: like you and I giving out DVDs when YouTube was
Speaker 3: not in existence yet, right, is exactly how people got
Speaker 3: video because video online was a pain in the ass.
Speaker 3: Nobody could sit there and had the dialups. Remember dialups.
Speaker 3: Imagine do you remember what it was like to try
Speaker 3: and get a two minute video clip or through a
Speaker 3: dial up connection. You'd be sitting They're downloading it for
Speaker 3: three days. I mean, I'm not kidding. My point is
Speaker 3: it's not about oh, look, you know it was better
Speaker 3: than I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that
Speaker 3: because these people have no connection to the history, they
Speaker 3: go through a superficial scoop. So I think that people
Speaker 3: that listen to you need to understand exactly how lucky
Speaker 3: they are that they've got a guy who has his
Speaker 3: fingers in various eras directly participating was what you were doing,
Speaker 3: you know, when you went to make a film.
Speaker 1: Had the Kimble Access TV show.
Speaker 3: Right, which is something that you know. Listen, you're a
Speaker 3: little younger than me. Guys my age should have had
Speaker 3: cable access TV shows. Alex Jones had a cable access
Speaker 3: TV show. He did, he did, So you were actually
Speaker 3: a little young to be doing that, but you did
Speaker 3: in any lass I was, I was, and you were
Speaker 3: aware of the other guys I bet that did it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: some not every.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of them, not everybody, but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: So my point is they got to realize that there
Speaker 3: is a serious benefit to somebody who actually participated in
Speaker 3: things that these other guys, even guys that are this
Speaker 3: guy blind Mike by the way, he has a great
Speaker 3: radio voice and he's a legally blind guy, and I
Speaker 3: feel like he ripped me off a little bit anyway.
Speaker 3: But he's doing the history of comedy instead of conspiracy.
Speaker 3: I mean, if he does a conspiracy video, it's about
Speaker 3: you know, joke stealing. But he's he's got the dark
Speaker 3: glasses on, focuses on the fact that he's very little vision.
Speaker 3: I mean, I literally hear him say some of the
Speaker 3: same stuff that I do about it because it's a
Speaker 3: common experience and there's not too many legally blind guys
Speaker 3: that attempt to broadcast, and he's got a video thing
Speaker 3: going anyway. My point is, though, that this guy tries
Speaker 3: to explain the evolution of media and he cannot do
Speaker 3: it because he doesn't have the right context and the
Speaker 3: materials not available on the Internet any longer. No, So
Speaker 3: that's the weird thing. Like, here's another part of history
Speaker 3: people forget about. You know, today you got to buy
Speaker 3: your space and your website and this and that. But
Speaker 3: at a certain point in the nineteen nineties, people went
Speaker 3: to places like angel fire and.
Speaker 1: Tripod yes, yeah, GeoCities there.
Speaker 3: You go, and you could get a website. You could
Speaker 3: get a free one, which you know, had about as
Speaker 3: much data space as it takes to like, you know,
Speaker 3: do a full sized photograph. Today was your whole freaking website.
Speaker 3: I mean literally like one MP three This show would
Speaker 3: blow out your website from nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, you couldna do it.
Speaker 3: No, and then but you could pay a monthly fee
Speaker 3: and then they would give you more, you know, more
Speaker 3: storage and then you could put bigger files onto it. Okay, yeah, anyway,
Speaker 3: and that's my point is I learned how to, you know,
Speaker 3: create websites on tripod, which was not super helpful.
Speaker 1: For you know, you had to literally create stuff.
Speaker 3: You know, tell it exactly how wide you wanted to
Speaker 3: make the bars on the screen, and you know, describe
Speaker 3: how far down you wanted them to go. Uh and
Speaker 3: you had to have a color code and things like
Speaker 3: this in order to create you know, a bar on
Speaker 3: the screen. Today you know it's click, push, drop, drag
Speaker 3: and drop this and that that didn't exist either. The
Speaker 3: closest thing we had is you could make something they
Speaker 3: called oh my god, was it JavaScript, which still exists
Speaker 3: in drop down menus today a version of it, but
Speaker 3: early JavaScript was very clunky and difficult to program. Okay,
Speaker 3: even creating buttons was a hassle. Okay, anyhow, Look, I'm
Speaker 3: not trying to reminisce. What I'm trying to say is
Speaker 3: that I think that people you need to make them
Speaker 3: understand and be very careful and fill in the blanks,
Speaker 3: don't skip over it, because there are so many of
Speaker 3: these other guys that think they're telling a story that
Speaker 3: they do not know the details of because there's like
Speaker 3: I said, no cable access. No you know, hey, there
Speaker 3: used to be long and short wave radio. They have
Speaker 3: no idea, no idea. They don't even know about tape trading,
Speaker 3: you know. And when they're talking about the alternative media,
Speaker 3: they have now morphed it all into the alt right
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's they have monopolized and become the whole
Speaker 1: of all media and that's what it is. So that's actually,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's one of I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: the end end point I'm trying to make with this
Speaker 1: whole project, but sort of that you know that that's
Speaker 1: what usurped the whole of everything that came before it,
Speaker 1: and you know, we know what that is serving, so.
Speaker 3: But usurping it is one thing. My point is that
Speaker 3: you were actually a living witness to the fact that
Speaker 3: there has been an erasure of this information and they've
Speaker 3: switched the narrative to make it look like, you know what,
Speaker 3: there were Nazis on the Internet, and then there were
Speaker 3: all right people on the Internet and that's who your
Speaker 3: weird little podcasters out there were. Yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: there are guys like in their sixties and seventies that
Speaker 3: encounter my show because they know me from something else.
Speaker 3: They encounter my show and for some reason believe that
Speaker 3: I must be part of like maybe ten years ago. Oh,
Speaker 3: you're probably one of those Alex showns people. But these
Speaker 3: older guys that are coming to me, now, what are
Speaker 3: you some kind of Nazi? I literally had a school
Speaker 3: age a kid that went to high school with me
Speaker 3: who knew that I knew certain people and knew that
Speaker 3: I was kind of like a little strange when I
Speaker 3: was in school. I thought that I might be interested
Speaker 3: in hanging out with him, like in Idaho with like
Speaker 3: a bunch of white supremacists.
Speaker 1: Ah, yes, northern Idaho, that is a hot bed for them. Yeah.
Speaker 3: About two years ago he got in contact with me,
Speaker 3: thinking that since I was obviously part of the earlier
Speaker 3: al right stuff, that well, I'd probably be right in
Speaker 3: line with them. Why don't come up here bring your family?
Speaker 1: Well that's that's an interesting point because it goes to
Speaker 1: that actual group. They themselves, it seems believe that so they,
Speaker 1: the actual extremists, have been made to believe that, you know,
Speaker 1: they are the owners of this, and sounds like they
Speaker 1: like it and they use it as recruitment, right, It
Speaker 1: kind of seems like this is what's going on there,
Speaker 1: a little bit which I hadn't really thought of.
Speaker 3: But like I said, it is such a blessing that
Speaker 3: you're able to present the counter myth that indeed those
Speaker 3: people existed in this world. But they were for a
Speaker 3: long time, not the majority, not even close.
Speaker 1: Well, they were always there obviously, but yeah majority, No,
Speaker 1: always a minority, always a vocal minority, always a problem,
Speaker 1: consistently a problem, always a distraction, right, but yeah, never
Speaker 1: the center. Never the center, I would say, not now either.
Speaker 1: But be that as it may, it doesn't really matter
Speaker 1: what reality is. Just matters what the narrative is at
Speaker 1: any given moment, which it can change on a dime.
Speaker 3: And the weird change is the weirdest thing is though,
Speaker 3: that you represent one of the last possible rational voices
Speaker 3: to try and tell the upcoming generation that there is
Speaker 3: not only like it would almost be like me saying,
Speaker 3: in the time of talk radio, there was really just
Speaker 3: Rush Limbaugh. Then that gave birth to Hannity, which now
Speaker 3: gave birth to the Donald Trump movement. So that's all
Speaker 3: talk radio ever was. That would be that superficial to
Speaker 3: describe this as an all right thing. Alternative media was
Speaker 3: not the matter of fact. If you really looked at
Speaker 3: the landscapable alternative media from say, the early two thousands
Speaker 3: all the way to twenty fifteen. Alex Jones was the exception,
Speaker 3: because he seemed to be mad at everybody, and really
Speaker 3: it was like, you guys are just like a bunch
Speaker 3: of dirty hippies with microphones, Like you want us all
Speaker 3: to open our minds? What's wrong with you? Like seriously,
Speaker 3: That's how it was. I was literally perceived that way
Speaker 3: when talking about doing a podcast in twenty ten. You
Speaker 3: know who's gonna do who, and nobody's ever gonna let
Speaker 3: who wants to listen to you a podcast? That's pointless.
Speaker 1: It's interesting how the perceptions change over time, and how
Speaker 1: I believe in some instances at least, that there's perceptions
Speaker 1: of what the in group of the alternative is and
Speaker 1: those who kind of come to define what the alternative
Speaker 1: is and who it is, what and who it is,
Speaker 1: how sometimes they lead the audience in that direction of
Speaker 1: like this is what we are, this is who we are.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting to see the changes you're saying in
Speaker 1: that time, the mid two thousands, early two thousands, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of the New Age sort of you know,
Speaker 1: hippie adjacent love and light, that kind of stuff that
Speaker 1: was replete in the in the conversation. And to me,
Speaker 1: I mean, I always go back to Red Ice Creations
Speaker 1: because I think they're one of the exemplars of what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about here, because they used to be like
Speaker 1: the site where people would go on to talk about UFOs,
Speaker 1: to talk about out of body experiences, to talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, anything like that, any sort of like New Age,
Speaker 1: the mysticism kind of stuff, all of that, you name it,
Speaker 1: if it's like that, that was like the whole of
Speaker 1: their podcast was that. Then slowly over time they brought
Speaker 1: in more of the white nationalists, white genocide concept, neo
Speaker 1: Nazis sort of talking points, and they went fully now
Speaker 1: really that direction. So they if you look just at them,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, dang, yeah, it's it's at any given
Speaker 1: point back in the two thousands, you look and somebody
Speaker 1: who doesn't know is like, what's alternative media, What's what's
Speaker 1: the conspiracy culture? Oh, it's weird to talk about aliens
Speaker 1: and synchronisticism.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's weird. Goofballs.
Speaker 1: Oh they also think nine to eleven the story is
Speaker 1: not real. They're they're truthers too, Okay, And you look
Speaker 1: now and you look in the same place. Oh, they're
Speaker 1: a bunch of white nationalists that are you know, that's
Speaker 1: their deal, right, So there's there's obviously there's.
Speaker 3: A lot going on, okay, And like in America, it's
Speaker 3: almost like whatever group is you know, most stylistically anti
Speaker 3: American or pro American, those are your two choices. And
Speaker 3: this is the weird binary thing that happened here is
Speaker 3: you had to be either like I have a militia
Speaker 3: that I run in my state, or you had to
Speaker 3: be a let's create to the crystals and the energy
Speaker 3: on the earth will change. And this was your binary choice.
Speaker 3: And everything has metastasized from this misconception. And I just
Speaker 3: think it's remarkable because you're one of the few guys
Speaker 3: who can still stop the digital buck burning on this
Speaker 3: media history, because you know, the major networks, the big
Speaker 3: money that's actually involved, that's actually controlling the platforms and
Speaker 3: making it so that you know, on YouTube, you can't
Speaker 3: even curse anymore, you know, you go above a certainly, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you go above a certain amount of subscribers like you.
Speaker 3: And and also there's unacceptable language in the algorithms. Now,
Speaker 3: all of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's the new it's the new TV,
Speaker 1: it's the new mainstream media. I've been saying this for
Speaker 1: so long. Every people try to still fight that idea.
Speaker 1: I think I don't know why clearly it is, but
Speaker 1: you know whatever, and uh, I mean, at this point,
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, Chuck Oh, at this point,
Speaker 1: what one of the biggest things is. And if my
Speaker 1: mission is to tell this story, which I would like
Speaker 1: it to be, it's the story I want to tell.
Speaker 1: It's a project I am working on and I want
Speaker 1: to complete. But the uh, the challenge now is one
Speaker 1: of the biggest ones among many is the medium itself.
Speaker 1: And you know what it is, how it works. It
Speaker 1: is not set up in a way that is conducive
Speaker 1: to people finding good, valuable material. It's run by algorithms.
Speaker 1: The algorithm runs everything, and so that I mean, you've
Speaker 1: got all these content creators coming in like you're referencing,
Speaker 1: that are making horrible content, and it's content that's styled
Speaker 1: under the guise of being informative, being historic. You know,
Speaker 1: here's this documentary about the history of comedy, you know that,
Speaker 1: or any other given video like that. It's stylized and
Speaker 1: presented as such, right, but the creator of the video
Speaker 1: honestly could care less about presenting a history or presenting
Speaker 1: interesting information. The main objective is pleasing the algorithm so
Speaker 1: that their material gets maximum amount of view, brings back
Speaker 1: more play to their channel, gets more people subscribing, builds
Speaker 1: their online presence up so that they can do what
Speaker 1: so they can make another video that does the same thing,
Speaker 1: pleases the algorithm and gets more attention their way. The
Speaker 1: whole time, the algorithm is also the same thing that's
Speaker 1: feeding into this derivative material. As you're saying, like, there's
Speaker 1: these secondary derivative videos that are made after the fact
Speaker 1: from this first faulty video that somebody put out, not
Speaker 1: really caring that it was actually accurate or not. That
Speaker 1: was on the human end. Now you've got the AI
Speaker 1: end pulling that and creating just an AI amalgamation of
Speaker 1: all whatever happens to be on the Internet and happens
Speaker 1: to be pleasing the algorithm and good content just for
Speaker 1: views sake. And so that's the direction everything is. But
Speaker 1: that's how things are now, right, And this is the
Speaker 1: last thing. Yeah, and this is the last thing.
Speaker 3: I know, I interrupted your show much longer than I
Speaker 3: wanted to, but you've gone back and forth with me,
Speaker 3: and I'm grateful for it and I appreciate it. But
Speaker 3: I think this is two things. In case you think
Speaker 3: Aaron and I are just you know, meandering about and
Speaker 3: you know, doing dry by observations here and just trying
Speaker 3: to criss our grapes because neither one of us is
Speaker 3: in the power power pod position that we could be
Speaker 3: in or something like that. If you're an idiot who
Speaker 3: thinks that, I want to explain to you how rig
Speaker 3: the game is. And I'm going to give you two
Speaker 3: massive predictions. And it's a funny thing that happened. You know,
Speaker 3: CBS and you know, the Paramount Network and all that
Speaker 3: is all being you know, turned into this thing which
Speaker 3: is now being controlled by right wing tech bros. Right,
Speaker 3: and yet they have just they have just released the
Speaker 3: most absolutely ridiculously, uh over the top, politically correct left
Speaker 3: wing you know, virtue signaling version of Star Trek ever. Okay,
Speaker 3: and you know what if somebody's gonna wait, a minute.
Speaker 3: Which one are you talking about yet, probably the one
Speaker 3: you didn't even pay attention to because they didn't even
Speaker 3: properly promote it, and on episode three out of ten
Speaker 3: they pulled the plug on season two already a designed
Speaker 3: to fail Star Trek universe, driven by every kind of
Speaker 3: PC thing imaginable. I mean literally, there's species that shouldn't exist.
Speaker 3: There's space lesbians, there's a foot fetish thing going on,
Speaker 3: there's you know, plants and empathy beating a war college.
Speaker 3: I mean, it is absolutely ridiculous what you see on
Speaker 3: this It is a PC potpoery of vomit coming out
Speaker 3: of the Star Trek universe to intentionally destroy. I assure
Speaker 3: you that this, along with that Section thirty one movie,
Speaker 3: which was the worst piece of Star Trek media that
Speaker 3: I that I saw up until this, this is being
Speaker 3: intentionally done by design. I'm going to give you a
Speaker 3: preview of something though, that I see coming that I
Speaker 3: don't think everybody sees coming. Hulk Hogan is going to
Speaker 3: become a massive rabbit hole of conspiracy theory. Okay, they're
Speaker 3: going to ignore the actual business of things. They're going
Speaker 3: to ignore the diabolical nonsense that he pulled. He's going
Speaker 3: to be turned into a weird rabbit hole conspiracy theory
Speaker 3: source posthumously. Okay, And I don't mean those initial you
Speaker 3: know flurries of every time a celebrity dies, you know, oh,
Speaker 3: well what happened? Maybe they give and then they go,
Speaker 3: well it turns out he might have just noded. No,
Speaker 3: this is going to get weird. Matter of fact, I
Speaker 3: promise you. It's going to create a cottage industry. And
Speaker 3: CBS is specifically paramount. Whatever that conglomeration is going to
Speaker 3: become under one banner eventually, whether it's you know, General
Speaker 3: Electric or Raytheon or something. Eventually. They are in the
Speaker 3: PC demolition, the DEI demolition business.
Speaker 1: Right now.
Speaker 3: They are offering up sacrificial things, including one of the
Speaker 3: longest standing franchises in media history, which is Star Trek,
Speaker 3: in order to offer it up as a sacrificial lamb
Speaker 3: to the failure of DEI. Now, why would tech pros
Speaker 3: be so interested in producing garbage like that, especially right
Speaker 3: wing tech bros who are friends with the Trumps. They
Speaker 3: just put out the most PC ar Trek series in history.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, uh dare I answer that
Speaker 1: at least partially, Chuck is that the entire culture war
Speaker 1: and the fight on woke has from the very beginning
Speaker 1: been part of the whole point of the using right
Speaker 1: wing alternative media to guide people forward for uh ulterior motives,
Speaker 1: for political and business gain is and for the production
Speaker 1: of Yes, propaganda is and so woke was. They had
Speaker 1: to loudly proclaim woke as the enemy and like the
Speaker 1: ultimate evil, and it's so bad. The whole time. It's
Speaker 1: this weird, obscure, nebulous not really even defined. What's what?
Speaker 1: What is woke? What does that mean? Who are the woke?
Speaker 1: Like what at l G B t Q, what what
Speaker 1: is that? Who are they?
Speaker 2: What are they doing?
Speaker 1: And it all gets folded into every conspiracy you've ever heard,
Speaker 1: the QAnon thing, the Pizzagate stuff, that that all it's
Speaker 1: that all gets folded in, And so you create this bizarre,
Speaker 1: nebulous enemy uh that you keep alive and you keep
Speaker 1: rehashing because it gets people interested at this endless question
Speaker 1: of oh, like, what's at the bottom of this rabbit
Speaker 1: hole idea. They're they're using that the logic of you know,
Speaker 1: conspiracy culture that was always there. They're just taking that
Speaker 1: and guiding it forward so that you never you never
Speaker 1: understand what it is that they are actually doing. You
Speaker 1: never understand that this whole ecosystem that once again I'm
Speaker 1: trying to point out the medium, right, what the medium
Speaker 1: is is this horrific digital machine that you know is
Speaker 1: vaguely called it also it's vague in a similar way
Speaker 1: to woke, Like what the hell is internet?
Speaker 2: The hell even is this? Like you struggle even to.
Speaker 1: Begin to explain what that is at this point in time.
Speaker 1: But I mean it could you could be. It could
Speaker 1: be done where you point out actual things. But that's
Speaker 1: not the whole point here. The point is to just uh,
Speaker 1: to obfuscate, to confuse, to make people forget memory hole everything.
Speaker 1: And yes, continue to use the algorithm to run the
Speaker 1: narratives forward to inform what narratives you're going to use,
Speaker 1: because of course, the whole Cogan thing is going to
Speaker 1: be used because all of the analytics tools that scour
Speaker 1: the Internet is telling everybody that wrestling material is incredibly popular.
Speaker 1: You'll get instant engagement by just talking about wrestling. Hull Cogan,
Speaker 1: the most famous wrestler ever is gold Because first of all,
Speaker 1: wrestling we already know that's big whole Cogan, he's the
Speaker 1: most famous wrestler. And three, and this is even probably
Speaker 1: more important, is that he's controversial in nature, and he's
Speaker 1: hated and there's all these stories. You want to learn
Speaker 1: about him in the same way that you want to
Speaker 1: learn what's at the bottom of Pizzagate, you want the
Speaker 1: storm to come. It's all the same thing. So the
Speaker 1: algorithm is instructing you and really has come to the
Speaker 1: point where it's making the content for you, or it's
Speaker 1: just taking everything and you know, it's drawing things from
Speaker 1: the Pizzagate conspiracy, it's drawing things from q and on chatboards,
Speaker 1: it's drawing things from wrestling podcasts, and it's putting them
Speaker 1: all together and then it's reconstituting them into this new
Speaker 1: media that's going to be incredibly popular. Yes, right, and
Speaker 1: then a pre cultivating It's yeah, in.
Speaker 3: A pre cultivated sense, because look, the WWEE right has
Speaker 3: already turned around and merged with other organizations. It has
Speaker 3: influenced directly in politics, as it always did. By the way,
Speaker 3: if you look back in time, part of Vince McMahon's
Speaker 3: rise as a corporate powerhouse was due to his political
Speaker 3: connections and if you don't believe me, go back and
Speaker 3: check back when you know his wife was running for
Speaker 3: office and then they decided we'll just buy somebody in
Speaker 3: office because we can't get her elected. I'm for real
Speaker 3: on this. Look at how this guy beat a scandal
Speaker 3: involving underage guys and and a ring announcer with a
Speaker 3: foot fetish. I'm not kidding, by the way, uh that
Speaker 3: that's been erased. They've literally turned around and digitally removed
Speaker 3: him from footage and all kinds of stuff, you know,
Speaker 3: because hid hide your skeletons, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So the skeletons are here, and look at our upstanding reputation.
Speaker 3: Now believe what we say. Here's the funniest part of
Speaker 3: it all. And I hope that you're going to add
Speaker 3: a feature on this history in your project. I'm so
Speaker 3: interested to see this thing when it's all done, because
Speaker 3: it's amazing. I want to help distribute it any which
Speaker 3: way I can. I want to help people see it.
Speaker 3: Please when it's complete, no matter what we are doing
Speaker 3: at the time, please allow me to help you get
Speaker 3: it seen by as many people as possible. Because here's the.
Speaker 1: Thing that's that's probably the trick shock. That's that's the
Speaker 1: million dollar question is how do you perform that in
Speaker 1: this world? Now?
Speaker 2: I don't have the Well.
Speaker 3: I've got a couple ideas for us. You know, we
Speaker 3: were talking about it before we went to air tonight,
Speaker 3: and we're going to talk about it some more in
Speaker 3: the near future. By April, I have a plan. I
Speaker 3: don't care if I'm laying on my back crippled. We're
Speaker 3: going to get this done because time is running short
Speaker 3: to where all the control mechanisms they're going to claim
Speaker 3: you got freedom of speech and you don't because it's
Speaker 3: worse than the FCC what the YouTube is doing to you.
Speaker 3: That's the biggest platform rumble exists at this time. But
Speaker 3: I'm warning you somebody's planning on either curtailing or taking
Speaker 3: that out. But here's the last morning I have for you,
Speaker 3: and that is that we have already lost a lot
Speaker 3: of information because of the superficial nature and the directed
Speaker 3: nature of it. And I hope very much that you're
Speaker 3: going to take time to go over that white paper
Speaker 3: by cast Sunstein, because this is proof also that this
Speaker 3: left right delusion is just that Cass Sunstein worked in
Speaker 3: the Obama White House. You know, the liberal that almost
Speaker 3: destroyed America before Joe Biden showed up for one term
Speaker 3: and you know, slip walked through it. That liberal who,
Speaker 3: by the way, was going to turn us all into
Speaker 3: Sharia law, was never going to leave office. According to
Speaker 3: the right wing, was literally the Antichrist. Every other day,
Speaker 3: I had somebody sending me stuff about biblical proof that
Speaker 3: Obama's the Antichrist. I'm not kidding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I know you're not. I've seen the same stuff.
Speaker 3: They had it whipped into such a fervor, and that's
Speaker 3: actually how the takeover revolt media happened because the anger
Speaker 3: at that's an Obamacare and he's a Muslim and he's
Speaker 3: not really and the whole Birther thing all of that, which,
Speaker 3: by the way, hey who was the biggest supporter of that?
Speaker 1: Okay, anyhow, Yeah, Obama was a major pivot point, absolutely right. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The perfect was sold to you by you know, marketeers,
Speaker 3: people who didn't even have social media but kind of
Speaker 3: utilized social media of its day to sell this guy
Speaker 3: as literally Superman by the way, like literally he did
Speaker 3: a campaign commercial at that time going I'm from Krypton
Speaker 3: and pulling open his shirt to show you a Superman
Speaker 3: logo with an O on it for Obama. Not kidding
Speaker 3: that actually happened.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, you can look at that thing from any
Speaker 1: which direction. But absolutely the Obama era was when the
Speaker 1: mainstreaming of conspiracy culture really happened. It is when they
Speaker 1: really began mainstreaming the thing to become maga, the maga
Speaker 1: that we know today.
Speaker 3: That's when it became. And the first step of that
Speaker 3: experiment was the Tea Party. Because previous to that, what
Speaker 3: were you, Oh, you're a conspiracy kook? You mentioned JFK
Speaker 3: because I'm studying it from eighty eight, right, what was
Speaker 3: the standardized response, the one that the CIA taught you,
Speaker 3: which was this, Oh you believe in JFK, you must
Speaker 3: believe in little green men aliens? Right third to third.
Speaker 3: That's what they would do to us, because that was
Speaker 3: the standard response literally written out, by the way, in
Speaker 3: declassified documents from the CIA about ready for this. What
Speaker 3: is it about? Aaron? Do you know what it's about?
Speaker 3: Because you probably heard me say this before.
Speaker 1: Wait, we're talking about the CIA document on how to
Speaker 1: deal with conspiracy Theory.
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't have it.
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 3: Okay? It was declassified by the JFK Records Collection Act,
Speaker 3: and idiots like me crying about we want to see
Speaker 3: this record because we knew it existed. It was issued
Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty four, the end of the year, in
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty four. Know why, because they were anticipating ready
Speaker 3: Warren Commission critics, people that were going to criticize the
Speaker 3: Warren Commission's investigation. Now it was released in nineteen sixty four,
Speaker 3: it was expounded upon in nineteen sixty five and sixty six.
Speaker 3: This documentation, this is how we need to instruct our
Speaker 3: media assets as to how to deal with these conspiracy theorists.
Speaker 3: They literally coined.
Speaker 2: The term yep, that's right.
Speaker 3: And here's the other thing that they were. What were
Speaker 3: they going after at that time, people criticizing the Warren Commission, which,
Speaker 3: by the way, that's not its proper name. It's actually
Speaker 3: the President's Commission on the Assassination of the John F.
Speaker 1: Kennedy.
Speaker 3: Earl Warren was the head of it, but it was
Speaker 3: not technically called the Warren Commission anyway. Back to it,
Speaker 3: though this was done ready. The first mention of this
Speaker 3: is in nineteen sixty four, the summer of nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 3: When was the Warren Commission released? Without looking it up
Speaker 3: on your phone or asking Siri air, do you know.
Speaker 2: After summer of sixty four, I'm sure.
Speaker 3: September of sixty four. So what you're telling me is
Speaker 3: the CIA was giving instructions to its media assets before
Speaker 3: the Warren Commission was even released on how to deal
Speaker 3: with ready Warren Commission critics. So my point is, take
Speaker 3: a look at cass Sunstein's white paper. Yeah, you are.
Speaker 1: Going to cover this right, well, you might be making
Speaker 1: the most important point of all, Chuck, is that conspiracy theory,
Speaker 1: conspiracy culture, whatever this is, and it was labeled that
Speaker 1: by the CIA. The point is is that it's legitimate
Speaker 1: and that it is a danger to the establishment, which
Speaker 1: is seeking to cover up some untoward things that are
Speaker 1: being done. So there is a legitimacy in going after
Speaker 1: these doing actual investigation, working hard to find what actual
Speaker 1: truth is where you can, when you can, and like
Speaker 1: you know, doing the actual work to do that, not
Speaker 1: letting the algorithm do it. So there is a very
Speaker 1: intense legitimacy to this. At the same time that the
Speaker 1: very suspects that would come up in this sort of
Speaker 1: investigation are the ones who are finding ways to weaponize
Speaker 1: it the other direction, to get it to be like
Speaker 1: you know that illustration of the gun that's playing back
Speaker 1: at the person holding it right, so, and that's absolutely
Speaker 1: what has been done. And it's just it's just wild
Speaker 1: to look at this from so many different directions.
Speaker 3: I mean, think about the craziness of this. It was
Speaker 3: really left wing nuts that were screaming that JFK. Junior
Speaker 3: was probably murdered, right, sure, So what did they do
Speaker 3: with that that was now hijacked by right wingers who said,
Speaker 3: actually he faked his death. In other words, you can
Speaker 3: just double down on something that has a plausible, grassroots
Speaker 3: reality and weaponize it in a different direction. And if
Speaker 3: you read that stuff by Cas Sunstein, you see the
Speaker 3: blueprint for what was going to come in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 3: I mean, my point is that they had it well ahead.
Speaker 3: You know, they did the Warren commission thing. Hey, let's
Speaker 3: get on this Warren commission thing before we even have
Speaker 3: a Warren commission, you know.
Speaker 1: Published. I mean sad, the worst part of all this
Speaker 1: and the part that frankly, I don't know what to
Speaker 1: do to do moving forward, to even make this or
Speaker 1: put it out or do any of this is that
Speaker 1: we're dealing with the situation where once again the medium
Speaker 1: is in control, the machine is in control, the algorithm
Speaker 1: is controlling everything. It's automating this whole machine, which has
Speaker 1: become a prompt baganda machine unto itself, using all of
Speaker 1: the logic of conspiracy culture, the logic taken from a
Speaker 1: movement that was meant to be investigatory to find hidden
Speaker 1: truths about very sordid activities from within, you know, the
Speaker 1: hidden layers of the establishment, and what was meant to
Speaker 1: be serious investigation has devolved into nothing more than just
Speaker 1: stupid entertainment media that not only does it not need
Speaker 1: to be truthful or informative or useful in any sort
Speaker 1: of nonfiction kind of way whatsoever. It only has to
Speaker 1: be entertaining. It only has to get people's attention. It
Speaker 1: only has to get people reactionary and emotional and mad
Speaker 1: at each other. And most importantly, you can use it
Speaker 1: for your propaganda purpose. This is oddly enough that people
Speaker 1: are still missing. This point is that this whole thing
Speaker 1: has been weaponized in so many different ways, and it's
Speaker 1: been used for very real political, geopolitical, economic purposes, and
Speaker 1: frankly I think it's being used to purposely destroy the
Speaker 1: country of the United States of America. Funny enough, I
Speaker 1: think it's being used weaponized to do that for once
Speaker 1: again geopolitical and business purposes. And yeah, frankly, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to even go about doing any
Speaker 1: of this because it's their world.
Speaker 2: This is their world.
Speaker 1: This whole time that I've been doing this. One of
Speaker 1: the things that has never set well in me is
Speaker 1: like the big voices would be they would make light
Speaker 1: of how these digital platforms and so many things on
Speaker 1: the Internet, like let's just say Google are problematic because
Speaker 1: they epitomize the establishment that.
Speaker 2: We should be fighting against.
Speaker 1: They would say that, they would bring that out, but
Speaker 1: then they would go, well, we have to fight on
Speaker 1: their platforms because that's where the war is, and they
Speaker 1: would just keep saying that sort of thing, never pointing
Speaker 1: out the real issues of you know, that it's their world.
Speaker 1: What do we do about that, and what are we
Speaker 1: doing now that we're quote unquote fighting there or whatever
Speaker 1: in this information Where are we ever really addressing that? No, never, really,
Speaker 1: never was any concerted effort put toward that. And now
Speaker 1: we're at a point where their systems are frankly more
Speaker 1: and more powerful every day. You can't get a word
Speaker 1: in edgewise. You won't, you can't. There's no competing, there's
Speaker 1: no fighting back against it. It is the whole of
Speaker 1: this thing.
Speaker 3: So I mean, I my only thing is well, really,
Speaker 3: we're down to like the last five minutes of your
Speaker 3: show here, and I did not mean to take up
Speaker 3: all this time. But I'm hoping that I'm inspiring thought.
Speaker 3: And I hope I didn't ruin your night.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, it's of course it inspires me.
Speaker 1: I mean, chuck this, I'm I've been I don't know.
Speaker 3: Look, here's the thing. I'm hearing you, okay, I'm hearing
Speaker 3: you verbalize wrestling with this piece of content you're creating,
Speaker 3: and you.
Speaker 1: Are an excellent that among among other things.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm certain listen, I'm not going to psychoanalyze you,
Speaker 3: but I'm certain that there are personal issues, there are
Speaker 3: other conflicts, there are other things that you're probably being
Speaker 3: pressured on one way or another because you know what,
Speaker 3: you live in America. You're married, and there's other people
Speaker 3: in your house, so you know, good luck that you're
Speaker 3: going to remain sane. But The thing is, it's just
Speaker 3: and and that's with all due love and respect to everybody,
Speaker 3: the whole Franz clan, Franz fans, everybody. But you're gonna
Speaker 3: make this guy crazy. Eventually, that might happen, although I'll
Speaker 3: be I'll be way onto the funny farm long before
Speaker 3: he gets there. But don't worry about that now. The
Speaker 3: thing is this, I think that it would be a
Speaker 3: serious contribution if.
Speaker 1: You took a a a an.
Speaker 3: Analysis at least part of your time to literally display
Speaker 3: the cast excuse me, the cast sunsteam white paper, okay,
Speaker 3: and show you know, first of all, show people the
Speaker 3: context of it when it was done, who it was
Speaker 3: done for, seriously, all of that, the organ what resources
Speaker 3: they used, and then show them the strategies that now
Speaker 3: look eerily like events guess what later on because you
Speaker 3: know that that old Oh, the illuminati always has to
Speaker 3: you know, the old trope, right, they have to tell
Speaker 3: you before they do it to you, even if they're
Speaker 3: going to kill you. Uh, yes, and no, that is
Speaker 3: an esoteric thing though, that is an esoteric reality in
Speaker 3: many many pagan systems. Uh that. Yeah, you have to
Speaker 3: be open about what it is you're trying to do
Speaker 3: to somebody.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, but anyway back to it, that makes me
Speaker 1: think a little bit of the Burning Man movie, and
Speaker 1: there's there's so much that's such a good movie on
Speaker 1: so many levels. But yeah, you know, as well.
Speaker 3: Even if you go back to Woodstock ninety nine, Okay,
Speaker 3: the fact that they took the peace in love, you know,
Speaker 3: disastrous concert on the farm and then turned it into
Speaker 3: you know, violent depravity and overgrown capitalism and madness, and.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, they completely inverted the idea of what Woodstock was.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: It was a total inversion. Very interesting, right.
Speaker 3: What I'm pointing to is that anything that does create
Speaker 3: a success testful accident out there and is legitimate media
Speaker 3: and is legitimate history or anything else, is facing two things.
Speaker 3: The counter myth. Okay, even to myths, there will be
Speaker 3: a counter myth to realities, there will be a counter
Speaker 3: reality and an erasure which I call the digital book
Speaker 3: burning that is going to occur here, that is going
Speaker 3: to erase the history, reshape it and tell you, look,
Speaker 3: this is the way it always was. This is this
Speaker 3: makes perfect sense. They're going to make sense of the
Speaker 3: control mechanisms, and that's what they've done. And I'm just
Speaker 3: saying that you're probably one of the last people that's
Speaker 3: going to take the opportunity to enter something else in there.
Speaker 3: And if it's done correctly, and if enough other people
Speaker 3: echo it, guess what we get to do? Maybe give
Speaker 3: them enough trouble to slow them down for a little while.
Speaker 3: You know, like you got to go to Rumble. Get
Speaker 3: off of YouTube and go to Rumble. Sorry, that's what
Speaker 3: you got to do. And by the way, screw you YouTube,
Speaker 3: even if you wind up listening to this show, because
Speaker 3: here's the thing. YouTube is running Rumble commercials right now.
Speaker 3: That's how corporatized they are. They literally run a commercial
Speaker 3: where it's like, hey, YouTube controls what you say, Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I don't because I'm Rumble. Oh you know s word.
Speaker 3: Oh crap, I'm still on YouTube. That's why I'm not
Speaker 3: allowed to speak freely. You need to come over to Rumble.
Speaker 1: Guess what.
Speaker 3: Rumble will collapse into the same hellscape that YouTube did.
Speaker 3: It'll be done under a different pretense and under a
Speaker 3: different corporate banner, but your freedom is gone. Only truly
Speaker 3: independent creators will create independent media. Go find them. You're
Speaker 3: listening to two of them talk right now. We do
Speaker 3: what we want. I have never have I ever given
Speaker 3: you any instruction as to your content as far as
Speaker 3: what you put out on my network, And I don't
Speaker 3: care if you want to go a few minutes over
Speaker 3: or whatever else, and we'll give uncle all it's time.
Speaker 3: Have I ever given you any instruction and as to
Speaker 3: your content on this network?
Speaker 1: No, no, not at all.
Speaker 3: Not to your language, not to your content, not to
Speaker 3: your guests, nothing.
Speaker 1: Am I right? I mean to call me a liar?
Speaker 3: Please?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, no, no, that's absolutely true.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm here, Chuck, because I know that
Speaker 1: this is an outlier place that I can say what
Speaker 1: I want. It doesn't mean anybody will want to listen
Speaker 1: to it, but I can say what I want. I
Speaker 1: can talk about things that aren't popular because you know,
Speaker 1: other places you have to, in one way, shape or form,
Speaker 1: fall into line whatever that line happens to be. At
Speaker 1: any particular place, it hardly even matters. But they always
Speaker 1: have some talking points that they're interested in.
Speaker 3: Right, and with the millions of people that we should
Speaker 3: have access to to offer our independent creations to. Because
Speaker 3: that was the greatness of the Internet is that you
Speaker 3: know what if I put up a sign, if I
Speaker 3: put up a picture, I put out a word. Everyone
Speaker 3: on the planet has the ability to access it, or
Speaker 3: at least the people that have access to the Internet,
Speaker 3: which was you know, a third of this of you
Speaker 3: know civilization, right, one third of civilization has access to
Speaker 3: this Internet or one half or whatever whatever the given
Speaker 3: you know, calculation is at the time at its height.
Speaker 3: But let me ask you this, other people that are
Speaker 3: made by these algorithms instantaneously so that they can get
Speaker 3: you know, a fraction of a penny per view and
Speaker 3: actually make a living because there's so well exposed at
Speaker 3: the height. And I do mean the absolute height of
Speaker 3: your listenership. What is the highest number you ever saw
Speaker 3: for your listenership that's in your mind?
Speaker 1: I mean the way I view it is. I peaked
Speaker 1: at the beginning, and it's it's only gone down from
Speaker 1: the views I got from the Age of Transitions video
Speaker 1: was the best I ever did, Okay, but with the podcast,
Speaker 1: it kind of I kind of went up to a
Speaker 1: peak where me and some of our friends were making
Speaker 1: content together and we are doing pretty good, and people
Speaker 1: knew who we were, and we were out there and
Speaker 1: the voice was out there, and it was it was
Speaker 1: getting distributed and people were finding it.
Speaker 3: Okay, so let me let me just qualify my question
Speaker 3: one more time, and I'm going to end on this note,
Speaker 3: and then we'll just end your hour. I'm sorry, but
Speaker 3: this is an important point. What was the highest one
Speaker 3: time bang number you saw for viewership downloads, whatever it
Speaker 3: is you want to calculate for any piece of content
Speaker 3: you made. I don't care if you know you had
Speaker 3: some freak thing go on and a million people shared
Speaker 3: your ex freaking post, whatever it is. Tell me your
Speaker 3: largest audience exposure for a singular thing, and then tell
Speaker 3: me even a temporary can consistency as far as audience
Speaker 3: size would be for the greatest thing ever in your
Speaker 3: content creation history, which is now well over a decade.
Speaker 3: Because you were in this before me, upfront, as a host,
Speaker 3: as a voice, as a creator, you were in here
Speaker 3: before me. A lot of people don't know that, but
Speaker 3: that's true. Yeah, I was helping creators. I might have
Speaker 3: been helping creators while Aaron was creating, and then I
Speaker 3: joined him a couple of years later. I've got thirteen
Speaker 3: years in you've got more than me. You've got at
Speaker 3: least fifteen, I would say minimum.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I started. I started really getting out there in
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight with the age of transitions video, okay,
Speaker 1: and that was for in terms of views, that was it. Okay,
Speaker 1: technically speaking, it's an interesting it's an interesting story with
Speaker 1: that because I put it out initially on Google Video,
Speaker 1: which was concurrent to the like original YouTube that was
Speaker 1: separate from Google.
Speaker 3: Right, and I put stuff. I put stuff on YouTube
Speaker 3: and daily Motion at the same time in two thousand
Speaker 3: and eight. No joke. But I was just the blind
Speaker 3: JFK researcher guy telling you about which JFK books to
Speaker 3: read and busting a couple of myths. And that's all
Speaker 3: I did on my little videos, which were short. They
Speaker 3: were two minutes, five minutes, twelve minutes, thirty minutes. And
Speaker 3: I would do you know, here's a five books by
Speaker 3: the same author, this is the best one. Whatever. That's
Speaker 3: what I was doing. That's what you were doing two
Speaker 3: thousand and eight. So if we were to stretch our
Speaker 3: entire existence, it's eighteen years, okay, both of us, almost
Speaker 3: eighteen years in what's the highest number for a single
Speaker 3: piece of content, And then also for a semi even
Speaker 3: if it was a week long you had a peak
Speaker 3: of listeners. Whatever hit me with it, or you had
Speaker 3: a couple of shows in a row that were just big,
Speaker 3: or you even had a one time huge hit on
Speaker 3: an audience, but it was like part of your podcast,
Speaker 3: and you could see that it affected you afterwards, it
Speaker 3: raised you up. What's your biggest possible numbers in eighteen years?
Speaker 1: I think I'll pointed two separate things. The first one
Speaker 1: is once again the age of transitions video Google Video.
Speaker 1: I uploaded it two thousand and eight. It had a
Speaker 1: view counter that I could see as the creator, and
Speaker 1: I put it on there and it started exponentially climbing.
Speaker 1: It was getting hundreds of thousands of views. It got
Speaker 1: up to a point where it was just under a
Speaker 1: million views, and then something happened that people were complaining
Speaker 1: about at the time, where the counter essentially stopped working.
Speaker 1: It was it was like real close to a million,
Speaker 1: and then the counter I can never really trust it again.
Speaker 1: I'm like, which that right there speaks to the essence
Speaker 1: of the problem that exists is very day, is that
Speaker 1: you cannot trust these platforms to give you any real
Speaker 1: accurate information, or you cannot put your trust in them whatsoever.
Speaker 3: No I crack up. These people kick and scream on
Speaker 3: their podcasts, the popular podcast guys, they kick and scream.
Speaker 3: We're going to take a very short break before we
Speaker 3: go to Uncle. But the thing is they kick and
Speaker 3: scream and tell you we know all of our algorithm,
Speaker 3: we know how many people are seeing it. They know,
Speaker 3: they act like all those numbers are legitimate.
Speaker 1: They know nothing, nothing, they know nothing exactly wise to
Speaker 1: they would be wise to say as much.
Speaker 3: But at your.
Speaker 1: Peak to do that.
Speaker 3: But at your peak, don't give me a general wait wait, wait, Aaron,
Speaker 3: don't give me a general number though you're dancing around it.
Speaker 3: I want to know what the highest count you ever
Speaker 3: saw was.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think it was like eight hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: thousand on the Age of Transitions video. And this was
Speaker 1: it was climbing on hundreds of thousands of views, like
Speaker 1: in just a couple of days time, and then it
Speaker 1: essentially froze at like eight seventy five or something. Yep,
Speaker 1: and then I can never trust it again. Okay, As
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, you cannot trust these platforms, and I
Speaker 1: sure is I don't trust them back then, And as
Speaker 1: we're saying it was better back then, and it was
Speaker 1: a better there's more opportunity to put things out and
Speaker 1: be seen then, but it was still horrendous. But it's
Speaker 1: way way worse now.
Speaker 3: And by the way, unless you want to pay I
Speaker 3: don't even know now. Back in the day, we used
Speaker 3: to be able to pay Alexa like forty dollars a
Speaker 3: month to give us accurate around the internet collections of
Speaker 3: our numbers, our Internet searches, our website counts, all that stuff,
Speaker 3: and they were accurate. They disbanded that company and now
Speaker 3: the only thing available to do the same thing cost
Speaker 3: you five hundred dollars a month, Okay, no joke.
Speaker 1: The other the one other, like peak I had in.
Speaker 3: My besides that your yeah, okay, so that's your one
Speaker 3: time hit. What's your audience collective? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That was. That was one of these two things I'll
Speaker 1: point to is like my biggest success stories. The other
Speaker 1: involves revolved Man Scientific Rise to Godhood my book paperback format.
Speaker 1: James Corbett, who wrote the forward to that book, mentioned
Speaker 1: the book on his show once and I got a
Speaker 1: set of sales that I've never gotten that may sales
Speaker 1: other than that time. The sales neared one thousand dollars
Speaker 1: within a month of sales of the book.
Speaker 2: That's the best I've ever done.
Speaker 3: How many books does that represent?
Speaker 1: That's I believe it's changed over time. I believe at
Speaker 1: that time if you look at like ten twelve dollars
Speaker 1: would be one book.
Speaker 2: So you know, okay, something like that.
Speaker 3: So let's just say one hundred those are the two.
Speaker 3: Let's just say one hundred books got sold in a
Speaker 3: short period of time and you went, that's great.
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, that was really good. And it was thanks
Speaker 1: to James. I got to give credit where it's due.
Speaker 3: No, because Corbett. Yeah, Corbett before they crunched him, and
Speaker 3: they have now crunched him. They have limited his access.
Speaker 3: He still has a massive audience, but they've limited his access.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing. He turned around and did this
Speaker 3: weird idea where he's going to charge people a dollar
Speaker 3: a month and you know what, pay me a dollar
Speaker 3: and I'll make you a full fledged member of my website. Right,
Speaker 3: And he said that he would do this full time
Speaker 3: if he got to one thousand dollars. This is a
Speaker 3: true story. If a thousand people sign up at a
Speaker 3: dollar apiece, I will quit my job dollar monthly. Not
Speaker 3: long after he quit his job and to this day
Speaker 3: is still doing it. He's surviving on the direct interaction
Speaker 3: with people, which they have now added all sorts of
Speaker 3: levels to even if you go to Patreon. You don't
Speaker 3: really get that whole dollar when you go to Patreon.
Speaker 1: You know that.
Speaker 3: Brutal. But anyway, so what you're telling me is, but
Speaker 3: what would you say you're consistent like broadcast? You know,
Speaker 3: podcast audience highest level was also because you also had
Speaker 3: a book. I should have asked about the book as well,
Speaker 3: But what was your consistent podcast broadcast?
Speaker 1: You know, the numbers have always been low on the podcast,
Speaker 1: the numbers have been low.
Speaker 3: But what are we talking like height.
Speaker 1: Height, a couple hundred, couple thousand, I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's even the word I'd even use to describe it.
Speaker 1: Maybe what were we talking about a month? Maybe it's
Speaker 1: always been under a thousand downloads per month?
Speaker 3: Okay, podcast always? And that is insane. That never, that
Speaker 3: is insane for somebody that guaranteed got a million views
Speaker 3: on his documentary, guaranteed sold you know, hundreds of books.
Speaker 3: It makes no sense that you have under a thousand
Speaker 3: people listening to this podcast zero and at one point.
Speaker 1: No it makes sense because I don't play the game
Speaker 1: of feeding the algorithm of what it wants. And that's
Speaker 1: the whole point of this. No, no, no, the whole point.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing.
Speaker 3: It's not just not that you're not playing the game.
Speaker 3: You're not playing today's game, but at one point you
Speaker 3: were kind of playing the game because we were all
Speaker 3: trying to promote ourselves with the seemingly readily available stuff
Speaker 3: for everybody, which is why you have a Twitter account.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, and I got to that really late,
Speaker 1: too too late, But.
Speaker 3: So did I. I went to Twitter late because you
Speaker 3: know what, Facebook.
Speaker 1: Was fine for me.
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you the truth. My podcast audience. The
Speaker 3: reason why I'm so frustrated is because my broadcast podcast audience.
Speaker 3: There's a reason why I dedicated myself to it because
Speaker 3: at one point, even though the money wasn't there and
Speaker 3: there was no approaches that were proper from anybody that
Speaker 3: wanted to sponsor. Here's the thing, I only dwarf you
Speaker 3: in one spot. My podcast listening audience was somewhere between
Speaker 3: eighty and one hundred thousand.
Speaker 2: Well that's awesome, Yeah, well yeah, that's good.
Speaker 3: You know what it is now.
Speaker 1: I'll bet you're right within my ranks, Chuck, welcome to
Speaker 1: the bottom.
Speaker 3: We are both under two thousand downloads. Yeah, we're both
Speaker 3: under two thousand. So my point is that I am at,
Speaker 3: you know, nearly two percent of what it was that
Speaker 3: I was at. So I ruined my own audience down
Speaker 3: ninety eight percent. And I'm telling you, these were numbers
Speaker 3: that they couldn't control because they were coming in from
Speaker 3: various sources. But with the Google squash that destroyed me
Speaker 3: took way like half of it. Tell uncle, we're going
Speaker 3: to get to him. He's going to get his full
Speaker 3: time in just a minute. But this is an important conversation.
Speaker 3: And we started late. Okay. So I had one hundred
Speaker 3: thousand there. The highest video I ever got viewed was
Speaker 3: again in that range. It was commensurate with that number,
Speaker 3: about one hundre thousand, okay. And I never had more
Speaker 3: than five thousand subscribers on my YouTube channel because even
Speaker 3: though I was gaining more than one hundred of them
Speaker 3: a month, I could never break the five thousand subscribers ceiling.
Speaker 3: It stopped counting my subscribers. It not only stopped counting,
Speaker 3: not only stop counting my subscribers. But literally I watched
Speaker 3: three people watch a video and still had a zero
Speaker 3: on my counter.
Speaker 1: Okay, yep, yep, that's the that's just another version of
Speaker 1: the exact same thing it was doing to me.
Speaker 3: Back in two.
Speaker 1: But there is the point, they've always been doing the
Speaker 1: same thing.
Speaker 3: Because if you are not ready for this, if you
Speaker 3: are not actually blessed by the corporate algorithms, if you're
Speaker 3: not positioned and allowed to succeed, you do not. And
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. I could give you the secrets to
Speaker 3: the universe and no one will hear it because we
Speaker 3: are fed to only the organic engagement that we can
Speaker 3: actually gain ourselves. And that was the endgame of what
Speaker 3: Cas Sinstein was talking about about infiltrating, about redirecting, about weaponizing,
Speaker 3: controlling opposition, and everything else in conspiracy culture. The only
Speaker 3: one thing you have to do is understand that that
Speaker 3: was more of a blanket term at that time, and
Speaker 3: it was meant to control guess what, the same thing,
Speaker 3: like I showed you with the nineteen sixty four issue,
Speaker 3: the warrant commissioned critics. So if you're a critic, you're
Speaker 3: not going to succeed, And it's just that simple money
Speaker 3: and opportunities were offered to me if I only supported Trump?
Speaker 3: Why because I was on my way to that one
Speaker 3: hundred thousand and one hundred thousand podcast listeners represented a
Speaker 3: threat if you had an engagement. This is why people
Speaker 3: did weird things to me, you know. And I didn't
Speaker 3: and realized that I was at that height. And oh,
Speaker 3: by the way, try and find the history of how
Speaker 3: many people followed you at your height where you think
Speaker 3: your numbers should be, Try and prove it to somebody. Now,
Speaker 3: unless you saved some screen grabs from you know, ten
Speaker 3: years ago, guess what erin? You don't exist, just like
Speaker 3: I said. Google didn't realize that. Google said that I
Speaker 3: claimed that I did five things that I know I did,
Speaker 3: and then I had to republish podcasts to get the
Speaker 3: algorithm to change me from being somebody who crazily claims
Speaker 3: things to actually having done them.
Speaker 1: Well, now you're actually circling around to the good aspect
Speaker 1: of this is the desire to not want to be remembered. Frankly,
Speaker 1: I don't think I want to be within this realm,
Speaker 1: the cesspool that it's become.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be associated with so.
Speaker 1: Many different things, So that part of it is good, Okay,
Speaker 1: remembered with this clan of losers.
Speaker 3: Well, that's good because I don't the AI want to
Speaker 3: be well because the AI not only you know, it
Speaker 3: also doesn't recognize the fact that I ever produced anybody's podcast.
Speaker 3: By the way, So just saying, you know, even though
Speaker 3: you know, what about a dozen others that I that
Speaker 3: I did. You know, Christy Aphrodity, Jack Blood, Pierce Redman,
Speaker 3: Dylan Wade, your show, the Uncle Show. Uh, you know,
Speaker 3: I could keep going here, Rebel Radio. I produced all
Speaker 3: these shows, Chris Graves show, uh, the I'm Looking Through
Speaker 3: You with Bob Wilson show, right, the the Don Jeffrey Show.
Speaker 3: I was the guy who said just call it the
Speaker 3: Don Jeffrey Show. It's now over on another you know thing.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, But I'm just saying, if you take
Speaker 3: a look at what's happened to you and me, and
Speaker 3: you take a look at that Cass Sunstein white paper,
Speaker 3: it's not necessarily about you and me and being remembered
Speaker 3: and who gives a crap? Right, But wouldn't it be
Speaker 3: nice if we could enter some accurate oppositional information into
Speaker 3: the matrix and have it stick like, do you have
Speaker 3: a Wikipedia page?
Speaker 1: Even? No?
Speaker 3: Will you damn well deserved one? You damn well deserved one. No,
Speaker 3: You're an author, a broadcaster, content creator for over a decade.
Speaker 3: You don't have a Wikipedia page. I bet you. The
Speaker 3: next snot nosed scumbag who comes up with a song
Speaker 3: that's about pop pop tomorrow in my backseat whatever that means.
Speaker 3: The next idiot on YouTube does that is gonna have
Speaker 3: a Wikipedia page in thirty six hours. You work for
Speaker 3: over fifteen years, and as I said earlier, eighteen years,
Speaker 3: and you don't have a Wikipedia page. Whether you want
Speaker 3: to be remembered or not, you should be. That's all
Speaker 3: I'm saying. Now I'm gonna shut up and let's get
Speaker 3: on with the Uncle Show. And now we're gonna go
Speaker 3: a half hour late on the live broadcast if Uncle
Speaker 3: wants to do it, all right, anyway, eron. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: but this I think was necessary, and I hope, I
Speaker 3: hope I've given you something to consider with this, because
Speaker 3: I think this project could be revolutionary if we can
Speaker 3: get it to people.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Really, I'm serious, dude.
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you. I know I well that that's
Speaker 1: on on on the positive side of the whole thing.
Speaker 1: It's something that I do feel strongly about, something that
Speaker 1: is really it's inspiring to me in the same way
Speaker 1: that I was inspired to make the Age of Transitions
Speaker 1: video right in that I know it's I know how
Speaker 1: important it is, I know how overlooked it is, I
Speaker 1: know how off the radar it is. That's the stuff
Speaker 1: that interests me. Is this off the radar, super important
Speaker 1: information that just nobody even knows it's there. That's what
Speaker 1: That's what inspires me. And I know that's what this is.
Speaker 1: I also know that I have a fair amount of
Speaker 1: good information already. I add in genuine research, like you're saying,
Speaker 1: to Cast Sunstein paper, and I center a lot of
Speaker 1: the work around that that rounds it in reality that
Speaker 1: cannot be denied. And so yeah, so it's it's it's
Speaker 1: an inspiring thing.
Speaker 3: And it's also going to be and it's also going
Speaker 3: to prognosticate things to come. I'm telling you, because it's
Speaker 3: not done. All of the Cast Sunstein agenda is not
Speaker 3: to its absolute you know, final solution, and yeah, there's
Speaker 3: more than one of those too. So anyway, I leave
Speaker 3: it at that, and uh, you know, go ahead and
Speaker 3: end your show as you like. I mean, we could
Speaker 3: just help cut right to it, or you could just
Speaker 3: do your thing. That's fine, and we'll get to the
Speaker 3: Uncle hour because we need some comedy. So let's get
Speaker 3: to it. What do you say I tell me about it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, this is the Age of Transitions. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: start of the show. Uncle.
Speaker 6: Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Three nine nine is the number.
Speaker 2: One man, what a number.
Speaker 6: And we're getting here. We're getting close.
Speaker 1: We're so close to there. But right now we're here.
Speaker 1: But when we're when we're there, we'll let everybody out,
Speaker 1: right Uncle, Like, that's the main point. We're live on
Speaker 1: the Ocelly Radio Network tonight, as we are every Fridayoelli
Speaker 1: dot com. This is eleven pm or it's after that.
Speaker 1: Usually it starts at eleven pm. It's eight pm on
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Speaker 3: Right, really really quickly, here's what I'm gonna do for you,
Speaker 3: just real fast. Apologize to the listeners to the age
Speaker 3: of transitions, and also apologies to regular listeners of Uncle
Speaker 3: the Podcast Live, cause we started late tonight and we're
Speaker 3: gonna we're gonna carry it a little bit over the hour.
Speaker 3: But normally we begin a round eleven pm Eastern, which
Speaker 3: is just about what eight pm Pacific, right, And that's
Speaker 3: what we do. Three one nine, five, two seven, five
Speaker 3: zero one six is the number to call, and we
Speaker 3: may limit the time for callers tonight depending on what happens.
Speaker 3: So get in quick if you can. Three one nine,
Speaker 3: five two seven five zero one six, and uh, make
Speaker 3: it interesting because Uncle's got a lot to say, and
Speaker 3: I got a few things to do. So I'm gonna
Speaker 3: bow out and actually not talk during this hour again.
Speaker 3: Back to Aaron and Uncle.
Speaker 9: Thank you, chat you now we've got we've got here.
Speaker 9: I'm going to have well, got to say tonight for
Speaker 9: next week.
Speaker 6: I'll be away for one week, but I'll be back
Speaker 6: and I'll have something to talk about. Oh yeah, you're
Speaker 6: gonna following week.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be away next week? Right O.
Speaker 6: Wait, wait, that's when it's time to tell these people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no Uncle, show next week.
Speaker 3: So so it's only to be a show.
Speaker 6: You can edit it or you don't have to have
Speaker 6: to do it. It depends, but you.
Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll see. I actually I haven't even thought
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 1: Maybe I have.
Speaker 6: I have well, okay, it's getting close to doing.
Speaker 1: What do you think I should do? Uncle? So I
Speaker 1: do a show?
Speaker 9: Or no?
Speaker 1: Maybe no, I might take a week off you're you're
Speaker 1: really tempting me here. I might not be here next week,
Speaker 1: going to be hopefully not Friday night. If I do,
Speaker 1: then I'm really in trouble, more so than even usual.
Speaker 1: But yeah, as Chuck was saying, we are taking calls,
Speaker 1: so calling number three one nine five, zero one six.
Speaker 10: You better in the hustling. You better getting call in there.
Speaker 10: It's going to be eliminated. It's going to be eliminated, limited, limited,
Speaker 10: limited for tonight. It's a limited engagement, So you better
Speaker 10: get hustling.
Speaker 6: Do you want to talk to me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're live on Shelly. Were also live streamed of video.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the different platforms. Uh display would it
Speaker 1: looks like? Yeah, I'm now I'm just playing around with graphics,
Speaker 1: because why not. Let's just play with graphics and give
Speaker 1: people an exciting visual presentation.
Speaker 6: Is the lady thing? The lady thing and smoke we
Speaker 6: got packed down here with the with the ariien.
Speaker 1: You want you want?
Speaker 6: I like that alien been having a smoke.
Speaker 2: Let me see im with the smoke when you're doing you.
Speaker 1: We got that. We've got the macho man. This is
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. That's there. We go. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: got a lot of graphics, and I do. I have
Speaker 1: to say, uncle, I have fun with the graphics that
Speaker 1: we use for the live stream, and I really enjoy playing.
Speaker 6: Now you're playing away with it a lot. I've noticed you.
Speaker 1: I mean, why not. It's makes the show interesting, something different.
Speaker 1: You know, we need to give people something other than
Speaker 1: what they see elsewhere, and these graphics are a way
Speaker 1: to do that. Look, here's a This is a photo
Speaker 1: I took and I turned it into this. Look how
Speaker 1: colorful that is?
Speaker 2: Didn't I agree?
Speaker 1: What is it? I bet?
Speaker 6: I look like a train?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 6: A chang?
Speaker 4: Uncle?
Speaker 6: A table?
Speaker 1: I uh?
Speaker 2: Looks like something.
Speaker 6: I can't take.
Speaker 2: But now you want to know what it is.
Speaker 6: It's part of a train.
Speaker 2: It's part of a train.
Speaker 6: It's the side door opening.
Speaker 1: You are there, Yeah, that's it looks like that.
Speaker 6: That's what it is, a side door opening.
Speaker 1: Well you're close, But this is actually what this is.
Speaker 1: It's similar to that. This is taken from the inside
Speaker 1: of an RV that was out in Landers, abandoned on
Speaker 1: a desert road.
Speaker 6: You took that out? Oh there? And you how did
Speaker 6: you get that?
Speaker 1: Any Well, it's interesting the RV. You're not sating you're
Speaker 1: only seeing a view from inside the RV looking out
Speaker 1: the windows at the desert landscape. But if you could
Speaker 1: see behind what's in this photo, you would notice that
Speaker 1: about half of the RV is actually missing and it's
Speaker 1: open to the open air because somebody like ripped the
Speaker 1: side off of it. And this is a large class
Speaker 1: A size RV. We're talking about somebody just uh you know,
Speaker 1: wrecked it or left it out on this desert road.
Speaker 1: They ripped it open, So.
Speaker 6: You gotta tell me. You out there took the picture,
Speaker 6: came back and made this.
Speaker 2: I came back and made that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I made these crazy colors because I think they
Speaker 1: look cool. You can do that kind of magic with
Speaker 1: the Adobe Creative sweet. I think I did this one
Speaker 1: an illustrator. But I've got a bunch of these different
Speaker 1: landscape photos I've taken. This is another one from Landers.
Speaker 1: This is just the hike up Goat Mountain. That's the
Speaker 1: side of Goat Mountain right there, and the view of
Speaker 1: Landers below and beautiful wacky doodle looking colors. This is
Speaker 1: Death Valley. This is Bryce Canyon.
Speaker 6: I'm told you're making money out that house.
Speaker 1: House. Yeah, well, yeah, that's the idea, right people.
Speaker 6: People are linking it out now, I'm you probably got
Speaker 6: some people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's actually that I mean, now that you
Speaker 1: mentioned it, that actually is going well. That is something
Speaker 1: that it's been a success. It's not the world's largest business,
Speaker 1: but it's a success.
Speaker 2: And none of the last. So it's something I am
Speaker 2: proud of.
Speaker 1: And so you know, while while I'm out there they're
Speaker 1: doing useful things like making money, I'm also doing completely
Speaker 1: useless things by taking photos of giant rock and later
Speaker 1: making giant rock purple with green clouds behind it. There's
Speaker 1: no purpose in doing that. O'cole zero that I didn't
Speaker 1: make a money doing this.
Speaker 3: Oh oh, no, speaking money speaking speaking on behalf of
Speaker 3: a private message from a listener. Uh, they want to
Speaker 3: know because it was brought up on my show, and
Speaker 3: I think this person is from Germany. I'd really love
Speaker 3: it if you would call in. I have sent them
Speaker 3: the international German number so they can call in for
Speaker 3: free from Germany and right, but I don't want to
Speaker 3: confuse anybody who's generally listening, because we got the one
Speaker 3: listener from Germany. So I just got a message from
Speaker 3: somebody in Germany, and I'm thinking they're listening because they've
Speaker 3: been listening, and their question is this, because we're entering
Speaker 3: football playoffs here. They want to know about the dollar
Speaker 3: bet because I mentioned on my show we do that
Speaker 3: Koolie never paid.
Speaker 6: I agree with that.
Speaker 9: Yes, talk to that man he's supposed to pay. Well,
Speaker 9: we're going to have I'm going to have a subject
Speaker 9: with that. They need subject Koli and we Buddy paid.
Speaker 9: He been his and we've been telling you he pay
Speaker 9: here Ben here, he's even got it Postconde.
Speaker 6: Hey, what do you call it? On the on the
Speaker 6: on the dollar? Supposed to be.
Speaker 9: His team on the dollar, and you gave a good
Speaker 9: point to it, Chuck, None's something I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: Well, that's our German listener. That's our German listener who
Speaker 3: calls himself ready for this klouse the fish who is
Speaker 3: messaging me private on Chattango. It's a reference to American Dad,
Speaker 3: you know, the fish, the talking fish.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, yeah, I think so he's supposed to
Speaker 1: be Germans.
Speaker 3: You know that's the bit. Anyway, klouts the fish in Germany.
Speaker 3: Uh said that, and also wants to know if we
Speaker 3: are going to do another Super Bowl bet or if
Speaker 3: we're going to bet on the playoffs. So that's what
Speaker 3: they want to know because they're going to do something
Speaker 3: there in Germany. If we do it on the show,
Speaker 3: just get a sh your dad for the playoffs.
Speaker 6: Because that seemed easy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, we didn't do the playoffs last year, but we
Speaker 3: just did the super Bowl, and I say, we do
Speaker 3: the same thing, but Cooley's not allowed to participate till
Speaker 3: he pays. It's that simple.
Speaker 9: But the point is, I want to make sure I'm
Speaker 9: not saying that people and I did, but I'm talking
Speaker 9: about if Cooley wants to get in it to this,
Speaker 9: that would mean two dollars off for.
Speaker 6: Him if he gonna. If he's getting into.
Speaker 3: This, well, I brought this us. Let me let me
Speaker 3: run this by you first, Bill, because I was angry
Speaker 3: on my show and I came up with a rule
Speaker 3: and I decided to call it the Coolie rule. Okay,
Speaker 3: and I said, and this is why this guy's asking
Speaker 3: you the question. And I think he's gonna he might
Speaker 3: have just sent me another message. I'll get to it
Speaker 3: in a second. But the thing is, the Coolie rule
Speaker 3: is this. If you don't pay it off in thirty days,
Speaker 3: you now owe triple and in another thirty days. You
Speaker 3: owe another triple every month, I would.
Speaker 6: Say, so mine.
Speaker 1: Do you like a cooler rule on Coli? Right?
Speaker 6: That sounds interesting.
Speaker 3: Now we can't do it to Kooli. We can't do
Speaker 3: it to Koolie because that wasn't part of the agreement
Speaker 3: to begin with. But he needs to pay up. But
Speaker 3: anybody else, you get.
Speaker 6: All these other guys and what's his name? Still?
Speaker 1: Yes, who's talking?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 1: No good, I'm what's what's his name? Is still on
Speaker 1: the lamb on the and.
Speaker 9: The listeners still he still has oh he's been having
Speaker 9: him he had ill problems, but he hasn't been talking,
Speaker 9: and he's still waiting on his money.
Speaker 6: Still one on Coolie.
Speaker 1: I mean he's talking about Robie.
Speaker 6: I've been I've been still waiting, I think so.
Speaker 3: But the point from the guy in Germany is, and
Speaker 3: this is what he followed up with. It has been
Speaker 3: more than a year, all capital letters. Yeah that so
Speaker 3: there you go. Okay, thank you, Klaus.
Speaker 1: The Eagles won, as you remember, it was not that
Speaker 1: was the Eagles versus Kansas City and Eagles ended up
Speaker 1: coming up on top.
Speaker 9: So yeah, and now we won that bet because his
Speaker 9: team that he picked Lewis and it's supposed to pay up.
Speaker 6: I thought he was supposed to pay up.
Speaker 1: And yeah, well that's what we're getting. I mean, the
Speaker 1: coolie rule was not institute at that point. I guess
Speaker 1: maybe it should have been, but it was, well, well,
Speaker 1: I have to see it could be dangerous coming up
Speaker 1: with these doing these wagers on the show. Clearly we've
Speaker 1: had problems in the past. Maybe we can pull it off.
Speaker 6: You know, you're not in them. I was one in them.
Speaker 1: I was not in it.
Speaker 6: No, you didn't put Nolla in.
Speaker 1: I was just I'm just an observer. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 9: And we're trying to investigate, trying to figure out what
Speaker 9: the bookies are saying over here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true. What you're saying is all true. All
Speaker 1: these things did happen as the observer. I will say that.
Speaker 1: So it's true what everybody's saying. What we do about
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll see, but we're making a show here.
Speaker 1: We're having fun on Friday Uncle the podcast. You know
Speaker 1: Kelly Radio Network. People can call in if they want three, one, nine, but.
Speaker 6: One cold last week and it was I know who
Speaker 6: it was too.
Speaker 1: You do remember who the last caller was?
Speaker 6: Jimmy.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, called last week. That sounds right, Well, the
Speaker 2: week before last week? We were here last week, oh.
Speaker 6: Long before that?
Speaker 2: Hard to keep track?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know that much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're trying to keep track.
Speaker 9: We're doing okay, but I would like to see though,
Speaker 9: if people do want to listen to me.
Speaker 6: We hadn't asked discussion before, so I kicked. It's about
Speaker 6: putting it on for the people to listen, even though
Speaker 6: I'm not here.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I know it.
Speaker 9: Well, we have to let's think about this, because heck,
Speaker 9: you do it one time, do that one time, it's
Speaker 9: one time, and you pubably see here coming out.
Speaker 1: Bet I have a retort to this. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if you're going to like this.
Speaker 3: My question.
Speaker 1: It's a question. Actually, my question to you is what
Speaker 1: episode number we on tonight?
Speaker 3: One?
Speaker 6: Nine nine?
Speaker 1: Okay, So that means how many episodes do we have
Speaker 1: in our podcast queue? If people go and listen to
Speaker 1: the podcast on the podcast app.
Speaker 9: This will be then this would be this one, but
Speaker 9: when it's done, but when this one is done, so.
Speaker 1: So there's roughly and this is a rough one, yeah,
Speaker 1: roughly one hundred and ninety eight episodes episodes in the
Speaker 1: podcast list and you go listen to it on Apple
Speaker 1: Podcasts or whatever. They're there. They're there every hour of
Speaker 1: every day. Everybody just half the time and listen.
Speaker 6: So you from the beginning, if you haven't Hoby, from
Speaker 6: the beginning.
Speaker 1: To now, you're following what my point is here? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I know exacting is I'm I'm expressing the
Speaker 1: futility of entering a quote unquote new episode to the
Speaker 1: live show when there's just constant content all the time
Speaker 1: average for all of eternity in theory, which won't be
Speaker 1: at all, But you know, theoretically, all they have to
Speaker 1: do is just go to the podcast thing and listen
Speaker 1: to them. Hell, somebody who's new the show could go
Speaker 1: back and listen to episode one and you know, binge
Speaker 1: all the way up to it.
Speaker 6: You know, they'll find out that's how funny I only am.
Speaker 6: Maybe I mean, from that, from that standpoint, maybe they
Speaker 6: should do that. They don't people want to try to
Speaker 6: find they.
Speaker 2: Try that out, everybody.
Speaker 1: We've got creative accents in the chat.
Speaker 2: What's up creative accents?
Speaker 1: Accent? He's he's suggesting a new hashtag. We need to
Speaker 1: start using hashtag justice for Kooli.
Speaker 6: Hashtag.
Speaker 1: I guess he just created that one.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, justice for Kooli.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, just a creative accent. According to Creative Accents, No.
Speaker 3: You know what I go with Almost every idea Creative
Speaker 3: Accidents has this is he's wasted a year not to
Speaker 3: send a dollar to four guys. Come on, so he
Speaker 3: doesn't deserve justice.
Speaker 6: Justice?
Speaker 3: Oh dang, this should be lean on coolly? Or how
Speaker 3: about he pays a big he's got to pay interest? Now,
Speaker 3: this is a year almost right? What was the date
Speaker 3: of the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1: A dollar?
Speaker 9: A dollar?
Speaker 6: Two interest?
Speaker 1: How's that a dollar or two an interest? Yeah?
Speaker 6: That sounds fair?
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 2: That sounds about right?
Speaker 1: Like the sound of that.
Speaker 3: Okay, but how often do we apply interest? What a
Speaker 3: dollar a year? So you know he waits five years?
Speaker 6: Boom, it will be five years the time we get it.
Speaker 1: I think if you think of that, one could be waiting.
Speaker 1: Go lie on this.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, that will buy me a new pair
Speaker 3: of glasses by the time he got the thing.
Speaker 2: Coolly, we need a call from you, Come on, we
Speaker 2: need call. It's been a minute. It was like we're
Speaker 2: not gonna necessarily.
Speaker 6: Oh wamen, who's on his into it.
Speaker 3: The button sticky.
Speaker 12: There we go, long time for time, Random Death Medaller here, Yes,
Speaker 12: Oh my gosh, Random Death Medaller.
Speaker 2: What's up man?
Speaker 6: What'd you been to?
Speaker 13: Oh?
Speaker 2: Man, this is exciting.
Speaker 4: Oh you know, sorry, was that breaking up a bit?
Speaker 1: But we're just sorry. There the fact that you're calling man,
Speaker 1: this this is truly awesome.
Speaker 3: You know, you know what I threw it.
Speaker 1: I threw it in a chat room.
Speaker 3: I saw Random Death Medaller in the chat room and
Speaker 3: I said, you know, because he's he pops in and out.
Speaker 3: You know, sometimes we don't see him for months and
Speaker 3: he pops back in. You know, I am I, I
Speaker 3: I thank you for many things, Random Death Medaller. You
Speaker 3: are awesome, dude. I love you. I just want you
Speaker 3: know that from the producer. But I said to him
Speaker 3: just in the chat room, I said, why don't you
Speaker 3: call in? Because I do that to people in the
Speaker 3: chat you know, if I see like one two guys
Speaker 3: in there, I'm like, hey, somebody call in. You call in?
Speaker 1: And I just threw it at him and he actually
Speaker 1: did it, so welcome man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a long time listener, first time caller exactly.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm not sure I got too much to add
Speaker 12: to this conversation, but I love the show. Been listening
Speaker 12: for a long time, and let's be. I'm gonna say
Speaker 12: what I think we.
Speaker 4: All want to say. Is cool, he's lucky he has
Speaker 4: a new cap. Still.
Speaker 3: Come on, now, hey, now there is like that.
Speaker 1: I'll call O.
Speaker 6: Is he getting made us? Said KOOLI? The people pissing
Speaker 6: it off here, you've been a gig moving, send it,
Speaker 6: send it out.
Speaker 1: I might have to get KOOLI to call back in
Speaker 1: because it's been a man. We need to resolve this.
Speaker 6: Well, you gotta be yet you're putting in Ohio. You
Speaker 6: better talking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an Ohio problem, that's for sure. Yeah, oh man,
Speaker 1: random death Medler, thank you so much for all that
Speaker 1: you sent me. A lot of really cool stuff over
Speaker 1: his ears.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for all that stuff.
Speaker 4: That reminds me.
Speaker 12: I'm gonna say thank you for that shot glass and
Speaker 12: I got some I'll make email you off.
Speaker 4: The air or whatever and get your address because I
Speaker 4: got some stuff to send to you. Even Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: you help with the should help.
Speaker 12: With the the whatever content you've been watching with the
Speaker 12: old conspiracy DVDs and shows and stuff.
Speaker 4: I got a ton of that stuff.
Speaker 1: From back of the day.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 1: Oh cool, awesome man, Yeah, I would that would definitely
Speaker 1: be great. Yeah, I've got quite the collection as well.
Speaker 1: But yeah, anything you got could be helpful, that's for sure. Man.
Speaker 2: That's cool, no doubt you get back, We get back.
Speaker 1: What do you guys?
Speaker 4: What? What's everybody drinking tonight?
Speaker 1: What do you got have anything?
Speaker 6: I was gonna blew up a couple of beer or
Speaker 6: two now, I mean on the way up.
Speaker 3: But uh, you have a you?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I yeah, I'm I'm not able to drink for
Speaker 1: a while, maybe later, but I'll be back, but I'm
Speaker 1: temporary hiatus.
Speaker 2: Do you have anything interesting? The death Kneller to drink?
Speaker 4: No, I just drank a Sierra Nevada pale Ale.
Speaker 1: Nice, did you have a Yeah, I've always said from
Speaker 1: nine to ten on that one.
Speaker 4: I just heard that Sierra.
Speaker 12: Nevada pale Ale and Heineken supposedly have never had no.
Speaker 1: Fluoride in the water.
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, they've never had.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for whenever it's worth. That could be wrong, but
Speaker 4: you know I've heard that.
Speaker 12: Yeah, and Sierra Nevada pale Ale do not have fluoride
Speaker 12: in their beer.
Speaker 8: Cool dang, I think Phil said, I mean, I mean
Speaker 8: if I always drinking one and you don't have a dream,
Speaker 8: I don't like to do that, but I.
Speaker 9: Know that you don't.
Speaker 1: You can, Yeah, Uncle, don't let me spoil the mood.
Speaker 1: You can always still review something. If you come across
Speaker 1: something that looks good to you, you can get it
Speaker 1: and then bring it to Friday night.
Speaker 2: Then you can do a review of it.
Speaker 1: That's good. We can do that. I might even do
Speaker 1: a shot glass worth of it to keep it at that,
Speaker 1: just as a true tasting. See, I'm a true connoisseur.
Speaker 1: I don't drink to just become wasted and blackout like
Speaker 1: everybody else out there drinking. I drink it because I
Speaker 1: enjoy the flavor, and I love the review process here
Speaker 1: at Uncle the Prodcast. So I may actually do that.
Speaker 1: How about that?
Speaker 2: I was out for sophistication, right.
Speaker 6: I was gonna bring one up.
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, I mean I was going to as I
Speaker 9: was in the in the kitchen going back and forth.
Speaker 6: What could I bring an autonomy?
Speaker 1: Damn it?
Speaker 6: N my mind flip my mind to come up here?
Speaker 6: I come up here?
Speaker 1: It was the beer. Yeah, yeah, But back to you,
Speaker 1: a random do you have a scale of one to
Speaker 1: ten rating for your Sierra Nevada that you had?
Speaker 2: Where would you rate your drink you had?
Speaker 12: I'd give that maybe a seven or an eight. I
Speaker 12: prefer hard liquor myself, but I mean seven or eight
Speaker 12: for the beer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, that's pretty good. And since you're on here,
Speaker 1: I want to ask you a couple of questions, Like,
Speaker 1: first of all, I know you got the name Random
Speaker 1: death Medaler because you truly are a fan of death metal.
Speaker 1: What yeah, yeah, yeah, do you want to talk just
Speaker 1: about like maybe your uh interest in death metal generally?
Speaker 1: Since you're here, I'd like to hear about it from.
Speaker 3: How you describe it.
Speaker 13: I don't know.
Speaker 12: I've been listening to it forever since I was I
Speaker 12: was the latch key kid off in San Francisco at
Speaker 12: like eleven twelve years old, going to.
Speaker 4: These concerts and stuff. So yeah, you've been listening to
Speaker 4: it forever.
Speaker 1: Love it that is.
Speaker 12: And this girlfriend, oh good joh, his girlfriend she always
Speaker 12: called me random thought man. And then it just came
Speaker 12: at the time when that came up, and then it
Speaker 12: just got put together.
Speaker 11: Wow.
Speaker 3: See now San Francisco the origin of that pres San
Speaker 3: Francisco was a great area for certain legendary uh you
Speaker 3: know death metal bands when they were coming up, depending
Speaker 3: on what air was listening.
Speaker 4: So absolutely crass death.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, there's a lot off. I mean, you know
Speaker 3: you're trying to right, I was just going to bring
Speaker 3: them up.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: But even it's Slayer Exodus, yeah sure, yeah.
Speaker 4: That's it. Yeah, you know, is Testament Testament?
Speaker 1: Yeap?
Speaker 3: I opened for Testament?
Speaker 1: Oh nice.
Speaker 4: I love that stitch work though, Chuck, props to you
Speaker 4: on that one. That's a good one.
Speaker 3: That demo the only death metal surviving stuff that I
Speaker 3: have in digital form. Yeah, I'm I was really happy.
Speaker 3: That's nineteen ninety four, believe it or not.
Speaker 4: What is Yeah, that's a good era.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it was wild because that's when Eric Rattan
Speaker 3: came out of Ripping Corpse and went to a Morbid Angel,
Speaker 3: right yep. And he actually didn't know he didn't play
Speaker 3: track on God of Emptiness, but he ended up in
Speaker 3: the video. That's exactly the time period. Remember God of Emptiness,
Speaker 3: that weird video.
Speaker 1: Bo tell you Oh yeah yeah, I do.
Speaker 4: Yeah with the Old Man or whatever it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bow to me for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was featured.
Speaker 3: It was it was But you got to understand all
Speaker 3: around the country when we saw that. I like, Aaron,
Speaker 3: I know you're an eclectic music guy, but if you
Speaker 3: were a death metal musician at the.
Speaker 4: Time, you were like yes, it was just like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: it was great.
Speaker 1: We were losing it. We're like, yeah, what would be
Speaker 1: what's the first death metal band you remember seeing? Random?
Speaker 12: Yeah, the actual death metal man, I don't know, probably
Speaker 12: had to be like maybe Obituary or Autopsy Incantation one
Speaker 12: of these bands made. But I see thrash metal bands
Speaker 12: before that. You know, my older brother and whatnot.
Speaker 1: Right, that's cool, that's awesome.
Speaker 12: Early nineties, I like I saw Morbid Angel at the Stone,
Speaker 12: San Francisco. Yeah, Morbid Angel, Creator Paradise. I think it
Speaker 12: was the Stone.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know what's interesting. You know what's interesting A
Speaker 1: random and tell me if you've noticed this. But kids,
Speaker 1: I'm talking like kids who are like teenager maybe young twenties,
Speaker 1: are super into metal now. And when I go out,
Speaker 1: like I went out wearing a Blood Incantation long sleeved
Speaker 1: T shirt to the mall, I was like buying Christmas presents. Okay,
Speaker 1: and when I was checking out, it's like just so
Speaker 1: like cuts shop where you buy stuff for your kids.
Speaker 1: The like twenty year old cashier was like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: bloody incantation, right. I'm like yeah, I'm like you listen
Speaker 1: to I'm like yeah, I just started listening to it.
Speaker 1: Kids like really love all this death metal? Now were
Speaker 1: you aware of this.
Speaker 13: That sort of?
Speaker 12: But I mean it seems like it's all tinged with
Speaker 12: like that little modern emo.
Speaker 4: I don't know what it is. It's not quite the
Speaker 4: same as it was like a long in the past.
Speaker 12: They're all like, you know about type it's like tight
Speaker 12: pants metals, you know what I mean, jeans it's weird metal.
Speaker 3: It's it's weird now because look, he he came up
Speaker 3: in an era where you got a fanzine and you
Speaker 3: thought a name was cool in a like a one
Speaker 3: paragraph review of a death metal demo, and then you
Speaker 3: literally would order it from the band for like five bucks.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is the reality of where death metal
Speaker 3: was in the nineties, right, no internet, nothing.
Speaker 12: And I remember, yeah, me and my friends we'd go
Speaker 12: to the store, the record shop, and like we'd each.
Speaker 4: Go, Okay, you're gonna buy this and I'll buy this,
Speaker 4: you know. Then we just trade, you know, solely based
Speaker 4: on the cover and what they look like on.
Speaker 12: The back and song titles, you know, yeah, and everybody.
Speaker 4: Some of them were just like.
Speaker 12: So instantaneously, you're like, in the garbage, I'm never listening
Speaker 12: to this again, you know, twenty bucks down.
Speaker 3: The drain, and then whatever survived, right, whatever survived then everybody,
Speaker 3: you'd sit there making copies. You'd listen to it again
Speaker 3: because it's like you play it in real time and
Speaker 3: make a double double tape deck copy of it because
Speaker 3: it was like, oh yeah, my copy absolutely see I Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you a couple of deep cuts from
Speaker 3: the Jersey medal scene because here's a weird thing too.
Speaker 3: We were we would go after stuff from like California
Speaker 3: and Florida in Jersey because we had access to New York,
Speaker 3: we had access to Boston. So I'll tell you a
Speaker 3: band I managed. I don't know if you ever heard
Speaker 3: of them. You ever hear a cryptic realm?
Speaker 4: No, I want to say torture crypt I've heard of them.
Speaker 4: They're from out there, aren't they.
Speaker 3: Those guys were my roommates at the Hot Dog House. Dude,
Speaker 3: we there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that one demo to you? I remember that
Speaker 4: was pretty badass?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah absolutely, what was it? My My
Speaker 3: favorite song from them was Disassembly.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, they were good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, brutal.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: I played a lot of.
Speaker 4: Corpse.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 4: What else is from Jersey?
Speaker 3: Well, ripping cord there was. Let me think about this. Here, Inebriation,
Speaker 3: the band of Abriation out of there, a band called
Speaker 3: Gaft which was previously called Rich.
Speaker 4: I've heard of them.
Speaker 1: Ritual Torment was those guys went to.
Speaker 3: High school with me.
Speaker 4: They're pretty brutal too. Oh they were kind of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Gafts wasn't bad, definitely, they they were.
Speaker 12: They were taking over the uncles Joe with this death
Speaker 12: metal stuff here.
Speaker 3: Well, no, but it's a rare call.
Speaker 6: You think that about this moment? What are you thinking
Speaker 6: of something in the bent let's figure out. Let's go
Speaker 6: on ount and.
Speaker 9: It's which are your best womans of best metalists?
Speaker 1: Are we doing like a top ten ten listeners of.
Speaker 6: Death death mental? Go ahead and hit him and let's
Speaker 6: say which one you guys come up with?
Speaker 1: And this is direct from random death medallers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is gonna be uh.
Speaker 3: I want to add something to it. I want the
Speaker 3: best and worst that he ever heard, because I got
Speaker 3: an easy I got a hard time picking the best,
Speaker 3: but I got an easy time picking the worst and
Speaker 3: random death Medaller knows what I'm talking about, Okay, because
Speaker 3: some of these guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah there's there though.
Speaker 3: You know, you know who was the worst one from Jersey?
Speaker 3: I ever heard deterior Rot? You remember that?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I do not to be confused with Deteriorate.
Speaker 1: No from uh.
Speaker 4: I believe they were from Chicago or something like that.
Speaker 4: They're badass, right, no one problem in hell something like that.
Speaker 3: I thought they were from all I thought they from Ohio. Actually,
Speaker 3: weren't they from Ohio?
Speaker 12: Something like that, Yeah, Midwest somewhere, I believe. Yeah, I
Speaker 12: mean I could be yeah, no doubt. But that one
Speaker 12: album with this stupid stole drawing on the front cover,
Speaker 12: I mean nothing, That one was badass.
Speaker 3: Oh but that deterior Rot here's the awful Oh my god,
Speaker 3: it's awful. The funniest thing is, look if you ever
Speaker 3: looked at the information, because they had a full blown
Speaker 3: they put a lot of money into their album cover,
Speaker 3: and it was like I looked at this thing and
Speaker 3: I was like, this is like incomprehensible. You know that
Speaker 3: was back in the days of like your death metal logo.
Speaker 3: You couldn't read it.
Speaker 11: That was wasn't there?
Speaker 12: I want to say, they claimed that fame was wasn't
Speaker 12: somebody that like was an incantation a part.
Speaker 4: Of that deal or something?
Speaker 3: Yeah, somehow right somehow? Then and a band that I
Speaker 3: was supposed to front, but then they picked a different
Speaker 3: guy called Killed by Inches was was which away.
Speaker 1: I almost got myself.
Speaker 3: Into the murder junkies at one point because remember I
Speaker 3: was I was a crossover shot. Uh no, seriously, right
Speaker 3: after g died they were looking for me anyway. That's
Speaker 3: a wacky story. But No Deterior Rot was the worst
Speaker 3: death metal band I ever saw. And it was funny
Speaker 3: because we were like competing north like North Jersey versus
Speaker 3: like the Jersey Shore death metal bands. Was like a competition,
Speaker 3: and but No deterior Rot was the worst. But Deeterior
Speaker 3: Rot went in to Big Blue Meenie Studio in Hackensack,
Speaker 3: New Jersey, and they happened to book a bunch. They
Speaker 3: spent thousands of dollars for that vomit that they put
Speaker 3: on vinyl, and I was like, dude, this is the
Speaker 3: worst sounding thing. And I'm looking at it, and the
Speaker 3: guy who owned the studio says to me, you know,
Speaker 3: I asked them not to put my studio's name on
Speaker 3: that record. He said, at least, well, what you guys
Speaker 3: are doing makes sense, like, you know, because if you
Speaker 3: listen to what I recorded there, I doubled my own
Speaker 3: you know, like I actually had lyrics okay, and I
Speaker 3: doubled what I was doing like if I wanted to.
Speaker 3: I didn't use any effects. It was just okay, I
Speaker 3: want my voice to be there. Let me do it again.
Speaker 3: And I figured out a way.
Speaker 1: To come on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the right way, right. But they probably spent
Speaker 3: I think five grand on that in like ninety three
Speaker 3: when we went to the studio right after them, and
Speaker 3: they spent like five grand and that's that's a lot
Speaker 3: of money in ninety three for a demo or an EP. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then they actually printed it on vinyl and cassettes
Speaker 3: like they had to. You know, it looked professionally printed
Speaker 3: because there was some it was it sent Tree Media
Speaker 3: or something was part of that deal or something like that, right, random, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 12: So did they got they started getting more of those
Speaker 12: like black death metal bands like later on, you know,
Speaker 12: like the black and death metal or whatever you want
Speaker 12: to call it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, But then it's like it was, you know
Speaker 3: something that.
Speaker 1: The Cheerior Rot.
Speaker 4: They weren't like brutal Death.
Speaker 12: I remember them being kind of just like they didn't
Speaker 12: their vocals were terrible, like if I.
Speaker 3: Recall yeah, no, it was like it was like they
Speaker 3: went to what do you call it? Like they looked
Speaker 3: at Napalm Death and said, no, we can make that
Speaker 3: way worse.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was the grindcore thing kind of genre
Speaker 1: sort of.
Speaker 3: It was like it was like what we used to
Speaker 3: call the polka beat, you know, the whole like you know,
Speaker 3: the blast beat deal. We used to call that polka
Speaker 3: beat because that's really what it was. Sped up that yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, but really quick. So these guys literally every
Speaker 3: song was dune, dune, done, done, done done, and this
Speaker 3: guy would get on and it literally sounded like this.
Speaker 1: That was it.
Speaker 6: I couldn't understand the words.
Speaker 1: That was it.
Speaker 6: Now there's one thing I cannot stand.
Speaker 3: That was a full album.
Speaker 9: I mean they can't understand the music really, not what
Speaker 9: he just did.
Speaker 1: I just did.
Speaker 3: I just heard.
Speaker 1: You don't understand what Chuck just said.
Speaker 7: Oh that just done.
Speaker 12: Mortal Decay, Chuck, that's another one.
Speaker 2: Oh god?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, okay, you know them?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, those Mortal Decay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they have a couple of good albums. I say,
Speaker 4: you know that you got some good ones.
Speaker 3: Definitely. Did you ever hear demoniccy.
Speaker 4: One more time?
Speaker 3: Demonicsy?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: All right, Well they were big in Jersey for a
Speaker 3: bit and they did the whole two bass players deal
Speaker 3: for a bit there. I'll give you one last obscure
Speaker 3: name though, because they were extremely talented and it kind
Speaker 3: of pissed me off, was Latshaw. You got to look
Speaker 3: into them, especially their first demo. It's amazing. Uh, It's
Speaker 3: it's really good. They were mad at the mix of
Speaker 3: that thing, and I was like, I wish I could
Speaker 3: do that. And they were rooming with Ripping Corpse in
Speaker 3: the same See, there was a rehearsal studio in Asbury
Speaker 3: Park and at one point there was like a bunch
Speaker 3: of these like bon Jovi, like you know, glam metal
Speaker 3: guys that were using it as a practice space.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: Seriously, this place had been around since the s well, yeah,
Speaker 3: but this place had been around since the seventies, so
Speaker 3: you know, Bruce Springsteen's metal band in air quotes Steele
Speaker 3: Mill practiced in there, right, And like across across the
Speaker 3: street there was a place called the Music Booth where
Speaker 3: Sebastian Bach and and those guys from you know, skid Row,
Speaker 3: which is more respectable than you know, John bon Homo.
Speaker 3: But anyway, who the point is I hate that guy?
Speaker 12: No, yeah, I'll tell you skid Rose second album, Slave
Speaker 12: to the Grind or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yes, that one is.
Speaker 4: I think that's what's sold. That's his underrated album.
Speaker 3: You're right, You're exactly right. And even though Sebastian Bach
Speaker 3: is a jerk and deserved every time he got punched
Speaker 3: out in a club in Jersey, I would tell you
Speaker 3: that he had more talent than any of those guys.
Speaker 1: Anyways, well, that early, that early, definitely third album with
Speaker 1: the truck on it. That's actually kind of good too.
Speaker 1: And then we know what happened to them.
Speaker 3: Well, On through the Night was a regular rock and
Speaker 3: roll album, Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well didn't that guy lude his arm? And I
Speaker 4: think that's what happened to.
Speaker 3: Him, right, Well, he lost his arm after Pyromania, after
Speaker 3: their big like right as their big success was hitting.
Speaker 3: Then he got his arm cut off in that car accident.
Speaker 3: But anyway, last, yeah, the last one I wanted to
Speaker 3: mention to you, though I'm sitting here trying to think
Speaker 3: of Human Remains. That was the name of the band.
Speaker 3: You ever heard.
Speaker 4: I've heard them? Yeah, they were. They were weird. They
Speaker 4: were kind of ahead of their time. I think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dave, Dave Whitty and those guys. There was weird
Speaker 3: guitar moves that later on people got to hear and
Speaker 3: rage against the machine, which is really weird because those
Speaker 3: guys never met you know what I'm saying, Tom Morello
Speaker 3: never met Dave Witty. But somehow that whole that stuff
Speaker 3: that they were doing with death metal, it ends up
Speaker 3: in the rage against the me Like, think about that,
Speaker 3: you know, those weird little I don't.
Speaker 4: Even Paberello ripped it off. I'm sure.
Speaker 3: Well it almost seems that way, doesn't it, Because that
Speaker 3: stuff they were doing eighty seven, like when I got
Speaker 3: out of jail when I was in high school.
Speaker 1: That is that a technique you do with a pick,
Speaker 1: like dragging across the strings?
Speaker 4: Is that what that is?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 3: It's sort of like, Okay, look at it this way.
Speaker 3: It's this is not a great description, but it'll give
Speaker 3: you an idea, you know, like the Eddie van Halen
Speaker 3: kind of hammer on stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so imagine you're talking about like the taps, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so imagine the taps okay, and like harmonics
Speaker 3: and false harmonics. Okay, but here's the thing. You're also
Speaker 3: using like say the switch or the knob to make
Speaker 3: it so that you only hear part of it, and
Speaker 3: it's done in a way where it sounds like it's
Speaker 3: not anywhere near random. It's you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: like it's all in order.
Speaker 1: Was he and it's super switch because he used to
Speaker 1: kill switch a lot, right Yeah, well.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I really mute switch on his guitar, okay, top
Speaker 12: by his palm or something.
Speaker 3: Well, here's the weird thing is that he could do
Speaker 3: it with a kill switch or with a knob and
Speaker 3: he would get the same result because he had so
Speaker 3: practiced on it. It was weird because other guitarists used
Speaker 3: to gather around and just like block him from being
Speaker 3: seen on stage to try and watch what he was
Speaker 3: doing because it was so weird. I'm not kidding. It's
Speaker 3: like it's like less Claypool when when he was like,
Speaker 3: you know, innovating the bass, this guy was doing weird
Speaker 3: stuff with a guitar.
Speaker 4: And yeah, what did uncle have to say about all
Speaker 4: this year?
Speaker 3: I don't know, Uncle, What do you think is this
Speaker 3: interesting music conversation?
Speaker 12: Uncle?
Speaker 6: John Block?
Speaker 9: What I was thinking of a couple of others after
Speaker 9: we had this conversation talking about this stuff, I had
Speaker 9: thinking about red Zeppelin.
Speaker 6: You know, I think Zeppelin, Red Zippelin.
Speaker 4: How do you like them?
Speaker 1: I love him?
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're great.
Speaker 3: I'm not a fan of lifted riffs. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I listen to that.
Speaker 4: I love him, love him too.
Speaker 12: He's good.
Speaker 9: Well because because the way they sing that song, then
Speaker 9: you think a minute, the one, the one, it's like
Speaker 9: stepping up to a ladder, if you really think about
Speaker 9: it and listening to that, I.
Speaker 1: Believe the titles Ladder to Heaven.
Speaker 6: Yeah there, yeah, it's that's the name of it, and
Speaker 6: and and and and.
Speaker 3: Ye why not you know what?
Speaker 9: At least at least it's a it's it's a song
Speaker 9: that you can understand.
Speaker 1: I know. For one, for one, you know what I
Speaker 1: would love to do though.
Speaker 6: One that you can understand it.
Speaker 3: I have I have a great podcast idea.
Speaker 6: Understand here.
Speaker 3: I have a great podcast idea for you. Play Stairway
Speaker 3: to Heaven for Uncle for like, you know, a couple
Speaker 3: couple of clips, right, and then playing the song by
Speaker 3: Pentagram that they ripped off for Stairway to Heaven. Please. Yes,
Speaker 3: we'll do that, because I would love for Uncle to
Speaker 3: sit and listen to here's the original band, and here's
Speaker 3: where the people that stole it, and because led Zeppelin
Speaker 3: stole almost everything from somebody else they did, yes they did,
Speaker 3: Yes they did.
Speaker 6: Oh I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: Oh well, okay, we'll do that.
Speaker 1: I do that.
Speaker 3: I would love for you to hear it, though, so
Speaker 3: that you goat which one's better, the original or do
Speaker 3: what they did with it?
Speaker 1: Oh and not not all the original Uncle.
Speaker 4: Testament or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Testament. Yeah. Yeah, I could play some death
Speaker 1: metal and see what Uncle thinks of it. Yeah he
Speaker 1: Uncle reacts to death Yeah.
Speaker 4: Uncle, Yeah, you could get down with some testament. I
Speaker 4: think that.
Speaker 6: Because what I look for.
Speaker 9: The singing that sings the song beat sakes, because half these.
Speaker 1: Sing is hammer smash pace.
Speaker 9: They don't sling the pomp a song and you can't
Speaker 9: understand it.
Speaker 1: I know when you hear this is what I'm talking.
Speaker 1: Uncle wants to hear the lyrics of grotesque impalement. He
Speaker 1: wants to understand, he wants to hear clearly what's going on.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that's my point, that's my thought.
Speaker 9: That makes sense that what everybody is doing talking about
Speaker 9: right now, not too much ask for.
Speaker 6: This is what I'm asking.
Speaker 1: That's it. Well, well simple, we'll make the right calls
Speaker 1: and we'll make sure that that happens.
Speaker 2: I think we could do that.
Speaker 1: I will mention that Creative Accents and Count Pepper have
Speaker 1: been in the chat. Sorry, we haven't too much there.
Speaker 1: Let's see what they have to say. Yeah, well, I
Speaker 1: know that Count Pepper was saying earlier that he was
Speaker 1: in a glam metal band at one point and that
Speaker 1: perhaps we would beat him up for it, and he was.
Speaker 1: He feels a little ashamed of that, but he was
Speaker 1: just that out there that at one point he was
Speaker 1: in one of them.
Speaker 2: That's kind of interesting. Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 12: My friend's a good friend of mine. His cousin is
Speaker 12: the basis for Warren. I mean, he's telling me these
Speaker 12: guys they all dressed like literally women. They dressed like women,
Speaker 12: but they were getting more chicks than you could ever imagine. Bro,
Speaker 12: it's wild, you know, like back in the day, literally
Speaker 12: looks like a woman goes out. He's the hottest chicks
Speaker 12: you could ever imagine.
Speaker 4: But who go figure?
Speaker 3: See you know Twiggy Ramerez literally was walking around in
Speaker 3: a dress. And I mean I knew three of his
Speaker 3: regular girls in Jersey. I mean, you know, what are
Speaker 3: you gonna do?
Speaker 7: Wow?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I don't know if wild? Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I never that one. Never never wrapped my head around
Speaker 4: that one.
Speaker 3: No, I would never touch those women. I'll tell you that,
Speaker 3: but uh, god.
Speaker 2: Knows, I don't think too much.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Yeah, well this has been a great episode. Man,
Speaker 1: this is so exciting. Random. I want to thank you
Speaker 1: again for not just calling in, but for all the
Speaker 1: awesome you sent me death metal stuff, like stickers in
Speaker 1: the mail, you sent me shirts in the mail, you
Speaker 1: sent me like so much cool stuff over the year.
Speaker 1: So I am gonna legitimately take this opportunity say thank you.
Speaker 1: Thanks man.
Speaker 2: That's it's it's really cool. Appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, thank you for the shot. Class that was great.
Speaker 12: I saw that.
Speaker 4: It totally caught me by surprise.
Speaker 1: I was like, what is this?
Speaker 3: And in honor of.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was shot just opening up the package.
Speaker 3: Right here, here's where we're gonna was shocked.
Speaker 6: Here's shot in drunk place.
Speaker 3: Right now, here's where we're going to close out the show.
Speaker 3: But in honor of the fact that random death medaler
Speaker 3: called in, uh, I'm gonna add at right after the
Speaker 3: Uncle outro, uh, we're going to play a randomly selected
Speaker 3: uh metal track from my person in the library.
Speaker 6: Nice okayisting and we can hear it. The one's gonna soundlin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very exciting.
Speaker 6: We're the witness of a good one, not a sound one.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we have to listen. Well, on the next show,
Speaker 1: we'll have to come back uncle and rate Chuck's song
Speaker 1: from one day.
Speaker 14: Ye yah.
Speaker 1: So we do that on the next show, the next
Speaker 1: show when I get back. But for now, we better
Speaker 1: get to shout outs since we do have. I guess
Speaker 1: we want to do shout outs Uncle before we wrap
Speaker 1: this thing up.
Speaker 6: You know who is gets first.
Speaker 1: He's done it.
Speaker 6: He was the first one calling. He gets to call.
Speaker 6: He gets the shadow first.
Speaker 1: All right, random man, you up, you got for shout outs.
Speaker 4: What was that time shout outs?
Speaker 1: True? Yeah you're not okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, to the world, to everybody in.
Speaker 12: The world, don't let don't let the bastards grind you down.
Speaker 12: Whatever you know, one day at a time.
Speaker 1: Nice, all right, I like it.
Speaker 6: Shantoun I have food.
Speaker 1: That's the best shout out you've heard.
Speaker 6: If I'm a guy that talks hot nettle hot metal,
Speaker 6: I mean.
Speaker 1: Hot metal, straight from the straight from the foundry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, well, random, thank you so much. Man. Feel
Speaker 1: free to call in any time. Yeah, it's it's genuinely
Speaker 1: exciting to talk to you. Man.
Speaker 4: Take think of something interesting to add to the conversation.
Speaker 1: I will all right, all right, and please do man anytime.
Speaker 1: You know the number. So thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Uncle.
Speaker 1: Do you want to give a shout out?
Speaker 6: You got one many shout out to my little people.
Speaker 9: And the out of town is And I'm the same
Speaker 9: planche listening that Channa, I mean that that cola tonight.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was that chick said shut out. Damn.
Speaker 1: I guess I'll do a quick shout out to all
Speaker 1: the kids that are actually listening to death metal. Now
Speaker 1: I know that they're going back and listening to old stuff,
Speaker 1: and it's crazy that shout out. And I have seen
Speaker 1: videos of Dying Fetus playing shows I think at like
Speaker 1: festivals and stuff, and the size of the crowd blows
Speaker 1: my mind now. So it's it's amazing what's happening these
Speaker 1: days that in almost unbelievable.
Speaker 9: One other questions in the carnivals that we go to
Speaker 9: the carnivals, we get these bands, at least we can
Speaker 9: understand them.
Speaker 6: I mean, the last one we went to.
Speaker 9: At the Center point of Fire, it was this one
Speaker 9: band and I could understand them.
Speaker 1: Well, shout out to them, to the shout out to
Speaker 1: the bands we understand. Yeah, yeah, that's chuck. Did you
Speaker 1: want to do a shout out real quick?
Speaker 7: You want to?
Speaker 3: No, I'm good, But I just appreciate the fact that
Speaker 3: random death meeddler called in, and I appreciate everybody listening.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Very cool, have fun show, very fun show. That's okay,
Speaker 1: So we I guess with that. Uncle theepodcast dot Com
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Speaker 2: Don't you bring us on home prettily three.
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Speaker 9: my ticktat my tic tac man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, watch out for that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, watch out for the tik tak. We don't hand
Speaker 6: that out tonight, Doe.
Speaker 2: But really all right, we'll see you next time.
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