WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:08.000 Oh you he is, folks, it's showtime. 2 00:00:08.679 --> 00:00:10.560 People say good money to see this movie. 3 00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:12.160 When they go out to a theater. 4 00:00:12.439 --> 00:00:16.199 They are cold sodas, hot popcorn, and no monsters in 5 00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:17.199 the protection booth. 6 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:19.120 Everyone pretend podcasting isn't. 7 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:20.839 Boring done at all. 8 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:43.920 It is nineteen ninety five. 9 00:00:44.880 --> 00:00:46.439 You are all one seen. 10 00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:50.799 Hunting is the national sport. 11 00:00:51.759 --> 00:00:56.320 People on the prey. 12 00:00:57.399 --> 00:01:01.759 The world is ruled by a strict regime. They're going 13 00:01:01.759 --> 00:01:03.840 to make obedient little citizens out of us. 14 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:06.599 Who are society? 15 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:07.799 What do you mean? 16 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:11.239 Step on the line and they take it to the 17 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:12.680 funny farm. 18 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:14.439 You could die laughing. 19 00:01:14.480 --> 00:01:18.439 All you have to do is lead my guests on 20 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:21.519 a chase for one day, little sport. 21 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:25.959 You could kiss, not necessarily, you might survive. 22 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:31.400 Come on, you big piece of shit. 23 00:01:31.760 --> 00:01:39.040 You come me the one you can't break. I'm what 24 00:01:39.079 --> 00:01:40.640 you've been afraid of all your life. 25 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:42.400 I'm afraid of nothing. 26 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:44.359 You're afraid of failing. 27 00:01:47.120 --> 00:01:48.079 Now a little flower. 28 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:55.120 Yes, I'm gonna taste your honey. 29 00:01:56.159 --> 00:01:58.560 It is less the size of one's gun that comes 30 00:02:01.280 --> 00:02:03.000 or the school with which it's used. 31 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:10.759 Don't you kill him, Jennifer, He's my target. This is 32 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:28.439 snatcha The hunt is over, Shoot on sight, Shoot to kill? 33 00:02:28.439 --> 00:02:29.560 Where let me go here? 34 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:31.199 No way right? 35 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:46.800 When you don't leave me here, you pray. 36 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:48.439 Gravely wait, but you can't. 37 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:56.719 The hunters and the hunted, the quick and the dead. 38 00:02:56.840 --> 00:03:01.360 Oh shoot, who will survive? 39 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:04.199 The blood and thunder Shocker of the year. 40 00:03:24.520 --> 00:03:26.520 Welcome to the Projection Booth. I'm your host, Mike White 41 00:03:26.560 --> 00:03:28.520 jew me once again as mister Andrew Netti. 42 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:30.400 Welcome, I thank you very much for having me. 43 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:34.360 Also back in the booth is miss Heather Drain Hella, Hella. 44 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:39.560 We continue our Shctober coverage with a Patreon request from 45 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:43.560 Ellis Kish. Turkey Shoot atleased in nineteen eighty two. The 46 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:46.599 film was written and directed by Brian Trenchard Smith and 47 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:50.560 stars Steve rails Back and Olivia Hussey. Has two victims 48 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:54.400 of a totalitarian government in the distant year of nineteen 49 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:57.360 ninety five. They are taken to a prison camp where 50 00:03:57.400 --> 00:04:01.159 they're tortured and eventually made to participate in the brutal 51 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:05.639 Turkey shoot of the Taitle. It's a battle royale with cheese. 52 00:04:06.039 --> 00:04:08.199 We will be ruining this film in so far as 53 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:10.400 it can be ruined, So if you don't want Turkey Shoots, 54 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:13.639 spoiled for you, turn off this podcast and walk away. 55 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:17.000 I will give you safe passage in the wasteland. Andrew 56 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:19.519 as a resident Ozzie. When was the first time you 57 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:21.839 saw Turkey Shoot? And what did you think, sir? 58 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:25.800 Would have been the nineteen nineties, sometime sometime in the 59 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:29.959 nineteen nineties. I liked it. I've al liked it. I 60 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:31.839 think I might have seen it once since and then 61 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:34.839 it's when I watched it a couple of times for 62 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:39.639 this podcast. I like it from just I like this 63 00:04:39.759 --> 00:04:43.439 till I really like this. I think it's got a 64 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:47.519 great cast. It's apparently one of the most disreputable Australian 65 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:50.959 exploitation films ever made, which is saying something, but it 66 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:53.120 does what it does, and it does it well, and 67 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:57.240 it does it without fuss. Yeah, I just really enjoyed it. 68 00:04:57.279 --> 00:05:00.279 I think i've since the last time I saw I've 69 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:04.480 had probably a decade of always claptrap about elevated horror, 70 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:06.639 and so it was just great to see something that 71 00:05:06.759 --> 00:05:10.759 was just in no way, shape or form anything elevated 72 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:14.319 at all. It was just a solid genre exploitation of 73 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:16.120 film that does what it does really well. 74 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:18.000 And Heather, how about yourself. 75 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:22.759 I adore this movie like this, and this is one 76 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:26.480 of those movies like the first watch the twenty minute mark, 77 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:29.639 you're like, that's okay, this is good, all right, thirty 78 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:31.439 minute you're like this is good. But at the time 79 00:05:31.480 --> 00:05:35.920 you get to the climax, you're like levitating because it's 80 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:40.600 oh my god. It's every sort of sweet spot that 81 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:45.079 one can have its. Do you love heads exploding? Yes? 82 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:50.160 Do you love goat eyed freaks doing cno, professional wrestling 83 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:55.120 movies of people? Yes? And yes? Do you do you 84 00:05:55.160 --> 00:06:01.800 like anti fascist commentary? Absolutely? Steve railsback kicking, ask check flease. 85 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:06.000 This movie has it all. The only thing it's missing 86 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:09.560 is David Argue. And I say that because I love 87 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:12.600 David Argue, but he also he worked with Brian Tridgrid 88 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:16.519 Smith before another films, most famously BMX Bandits. But this 89 00:06:16.959 --> 00:06:20.120 film is a delight. I could not wait when you 90 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:24.160 had it on the list and I got the thumbs 91 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:26.480 up to be on it, especially Andrew, I was like, yes, 92 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:28.079 this is a gift. 93 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:30.879 I am so glad you guys are on this episode 94 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:33.639 because I am not a big fan of this movie 95 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:38.279 so far. I'm hoping that through this conversation, I will 96 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:41.199 become more of one because to your point, Heather, it's 97 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:43.879 got so many things that I love. It's got Roger Ward, 98 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:46.839 it's got this kind of women in prison feel. It's 99 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:50.560 a people hunting people movie. I love people hunting people movies. 100 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:53.480 You can read all about that in the new book 101 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:57.920 Revolution in thirty five Millimeter, which was partially written and 102 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:02.279 edited by our guest here, Andrewnetti. So yeah, I love 103 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:06.439 all those things. But yeah, as soon as the Wolfman 104 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:08.759 shows up in this movie, I just lose my shit 105 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:11.199 because I'm just like, what is happening? What is going 106 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:12.319 on in this movie? 107 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:16.639 Especially but close up, because you get those close up 108 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:20.800 of those he's got coat eyes, and I love how 109 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:24.160 they're like, oh, this is a freak. I don't think 110 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:29.560 what kind of genetic tas I'm laving because it's like 111 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:34.199 which imputation? Okay, you could be hair suit. That's a 112 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:35.959 real life thing where there are people that were promoted 113 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:39.040 as wolf people but they weren't actually wolf people. No, 114 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:42.800 this guy's got fans, he's got goat eyes. He eats body, 115 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:49.160 but it's he can body slam. It's I know it's fasting. 116 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:51.920 I'm definitely looking for to traveling this because I think 117 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:56.199 I understand. But for me, I was like, man, this 118 00:07:56.319 --> 00:07:59.120 is checking off so many because you do have political 119 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:02.959 commentary in there too. By and to your point, Andrew, 120 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:05.439 it doesn't get too lost in the message. It never 121 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:07.959 quite loses sight also of being like, yeah, we're going 122 00:08:08.040 --> 00:08:12.240 to have some gore and severed body parts, and there's 123 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:16.759 we got equal opportunity, nudity, which I'm a huge fan of. 124 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:19.639 We got penises, we got tades. It's gray. 125 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:22.600 I think alf is fantastic. I mean, that's actually a 126 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:26.319 guy called Steve Rackman and he was known as Steve's 127 00:08:26.360 --> 00:08:29.360 the Crusher Rackman. He was an Australian wrestler and he 128 00:08:29.399 --> 00:08:32.360 played the heavy in so many films and he's great. 129 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:36.120 And I think to your point, to both your points, 130 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:40.039 it starts off as a really solid people in prison 131 00:08:40.600 --> 00:08:43.759 prison film with all the tropes of the prison film, 132 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:47.919 and then as soon as they're released into the wild 133 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:52.919 for the Turkey shoot, it just goes completely batschit crazy 134 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:56.720 and it doesn't stop. And you know, to quote Ron Burgundy, 135 00:08:56.879 --> 00:08:59.879 that escalated quickly, and it keeps, it keeps escalating and 136 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:02.679 just keeps going. It doesn't stop I mean, it's I 137 00:09:02.799 --> 00:09:06.480 just I love that about it. I just loved the why. 138 00:09:06.519 --> 00:09:12.600 It just didn't care for every already its pretensions, and 139 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:16.240 it didn't it didn't let its its budgetary limitations stop it. 140 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:19.000 It just the narrative just kept going and going going, 141 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:22.320 And then after the Turkey Shoot it turns into this 142 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:25.759 war film where there's just this there's this attack on 143 00:09:25.840 --> 00:09:28.879 the prison, and then it goes it's up levels again. 144 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:30.120 It's it's astounding. 145 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:33.559 I think it's just the pacing of it sometimes gets 146 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:36.480 to me. I think it's around like maybe about the 147 00:09:36.639 --> 00:09:39.840 twenty five thirty minute mark when they start to introduce 148 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:42.159 the idea of the Turkey shoot, because they don't really 149 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:44.279 have that at the beginning. And I love the beginning 150 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:47.120 of this movie, especially because it starts off with stuff 151 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:49.320 pulled from the headlines kind of thing and just all 152 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:52.919 this or unrest, and then you've got these scenes of 153 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:55.759 these people being arrested and thrown in the back of 154 00:09:55.799 --> 00:09:59.519 this police fan, and then you get their flashbacks to 155 00:09:59.559 --> 00:10:01.960 see how they got there, which I know really helped 156 00:10:02.039 --> 00:10:04.559 condense the script quite a bit and also saved a 157 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:06.919 lot of money as far as wait that they set 158 00:10:06.960 --> 00:10:09.679 things up because to your point, Andrew, the budget to 159 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:14.080 this was just slashed so much before they started shooting, 160 00:10:14.279 --> 00:10:17.039 and Trenchard Smith had to work like a devil to 161 00:10:17.279 --> 00:10:20.840 come up with ways to save that money, avoid you know, 162 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:24.039 the cost that he was going to incur, and suddenly 163 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:26.080 just shift on a dime. I mean, that's what great 164 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:30.000 filmmaking is all about, is solving those problems and saying, Okay, 165 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:31.799 I can still make this work. And he does make 166 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:35.399 it work. And I don't have any problems with the 167 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:40.200 actual with the acting, with the sets, with the special effects, 168 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:41.919 any of that stuff. I think it's just that pacing 169 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:44.799 right around, like that thirty to forty minute mark, where 170 00:10:44.799 --> 00:10:47.960 you're like, Okay, here's this new idea we're going to have. 171 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:52.039 You know, why is it that Thatcher doesn't have overcrowding 172 00:10:52.039 --> 00:10:54.159 in his prisons? Oh well, you have something set up 173 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:55.879 to take care of that, don't you. And they kind 174 00:10:55.879 --> 00:10:57.720 of give you that little thing at the beginning to 175 00:10:57.759 --> 00:11:00.679 talk about that, and then they start to enter these 176 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:03.519 and I don't know if these are just rich assholes 177 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:07.399 that come onto the camp and participate in this Turkey 178 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:11.120 shoot hunt, but I like the introduce introduction of them. 179 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:13.320 But it just feels like there's a little bit too 180 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:16.159 long before the actual Turkey shoot starts, and so it's 181 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:18.519 right around the forty minute mark, and I'm just like, no, 182 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:21.279 get to that a little quicker, like twenty minutes, thirty 183 00:11:21.320 --> 00:11:22.039 minutes max. 184 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:26.759 There are a bunch of rich, weird, queer assholes and 185 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:30.679 that's that's the And that's the other thing I loved 186 00:11:30.759 --> 00:11:34.639 about this film. Watching it now, you realize, oh, so 187 00:11:34.759 --> 00:11:37.240 much of Australian culture was so queer and we just 188 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:40.960 didn't have the language to sort of analyze it. You know, 189 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:46.039 this Tito and Jennifer are both coded completely queer. You know, 190 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:49.279 they're totally sadistic. All the double on tenders about the 191 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:54.519 guns and the weapons, that astoundingly phallic chest set that 192 00:11:54.519 --> 00:11:58.120 Thatcher and null Fario's character are playing when they first 193 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:01.399 start talking about the talking about the you know a 194 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:04.000 lot about the prison. I mean, I just I loved 195 00:12:04.039 --> 00:12:06.960 all of that. And it takes time, and of course 196 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:10.320 that that's not costing any money, is it. Getting getting 197 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:13.320 all these sort of weirdos to sort of like, you know, 198 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:17.759 do double on taundres about various self designed weapons and 199 00:12:17.799 --> 00:12:18.519 things like that. 200 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:23.200 I absolutely love them. Yeah, Michael Petrovitch is Tito and 201 00:12:23.559 --> 00:12:25.080 what's the woman's name. 202 00:12:25.559 --> 00:12:31.679 Carmen Duncan. Yes, Carmen Duncan as the sadistic lesbian, the huntress. 203 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:34.240 You know, I'm going to make you feel like you've 204 00:12:34.279 --> 00:12:35.360 never felt before. 205 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:39.919 She reminds me a lot of barber steel from caged heat. 206 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:43.279 She very much has that kind of energy. If this 207 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:47.840 was a an al Adminson Berry see I'm sureman or 208 00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:50.840 something like that, it would be more busty, it'd be 209 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:54.639 more day in Thoring, or my ideal would have been 210 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:57.600 Chestey Morgan. Can you imagine? Why was there ever a 211 00:12:57.639 --> 00:13:01.080 woman in prison of every baby Chestey Morgan? Anyway, No, 212 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:05.279 and with the deepest v cuts, she's someone was like 213 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:08.240 full boomin when we first meet her, and you get 214 00:13:08.360 --> 00:13:11.639 really she's just like the sort of very decadent bisexual. 215 00:13:12.600 --> 00:13:14.840 She is very flirty with Bacher and she makes some 216 00:13:14.919 --> 00:13:17.720 kind of reference as to you have the feel that 217 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:20.039 maybe they've had a thing in the past, and she 218 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:24.200 he probably had what I call him Vanity six nasty 219 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:26.759 gyirl moment where the whole end of the song where 220 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:29.799 she says, wake me when you're done. She was like 221 00:13:29.879 --> 00:13:30.679 that with Bacher. 222 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:35.360 Somewhere someone has done Turkey Shoot fan fiction about all 223 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:39.159 that stuff. Would they would they explore the sexual lives 224 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:41.720 of the of the hunters in Turkey Shoot. 225 00:13:42.039 --> 00:13:44.960 There's a line that she says where it sounds like, yeah, 226 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:47.600 she and Thatcher had been together before, but he wasn't 227 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:49.720 able to sexually satisfy her. 228 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:53.679 You're a difficult woman to satisfy, Jennifer, as you will 229 00:13:53.720 --> 00:13:55.120 know Charles. 230 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:57.399 Which is why he became the commander of the camp. 231 00:13:57.480 --> 00:13:59.879 The sublem like that if. 232 00:13:59.679 --> 00:14:02.559 He was in an American camp, he would have like ammer, 233 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:05.440 you'd have the big or the biggest truck where there's 234 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:08.799 huge trucks and it's like a monument to like like 235 00:14:08.879 --> 00:14:12.919 a rets all dyfunction giant for a chuck with like 236 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:15.559 double tires. 237 00:14:14.919 --> 00:14:17.759 But they've done it. They tool around of these weird 238 00:14:17.759 --> 00:14:22.399 little June buggets. Oh yes, again, it's fantastic. 239 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:26.720 Yes, all the little vehicles in this, like the little. 240 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:27.960 Like a big shovel. 241 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:31.240 Yeah, it's like the little bulldozer that he drives around in. 242 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:33.240 It just like tools around and I'm just like, that 243 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:35.600 is the cutest little vehicle I've ever seen. 244 00:14:36.120 --> 00:14:37.879 The same thing as the banana splits. 245 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:40.559 Oh yes, it's the banana. 246 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:45.320 Splits June buggy with the little digger on the front 247 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:48.559 of it, also with the machine gun, and then at 248 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:50.559 one point when he stops, he just picks up a 249 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:54.120 bazooka and starts flying. This guy's got It's what I mean. 250 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:56.240 It just keeps going and going and going. 251 00:14:57.039 --> 00:14:58.799 I love the bazooka. 252 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:03.200 Again. 253 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:06.159 Anybody's ever been in like a hunting store, there's some 254 00:15:06.320 --> 00:15:10.480 gear there where. It's really is this really a sport? 255 00:15:10.519 --> 00:15:12.480 At this point? 256 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:12.879 What Lee? 257 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:16.039 Why do you need an aka the Hunted Deer? 258 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:19.840 Heather? I hope you're not advocating against people's constitutional rights 259 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:20.679 to warn a Bozuka. 260 00:15:21.639 --> 00:15:25.559 Never. Never, I would never get political on the projection. 261 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:29.279 And good thing this movie isn't political either, not at all. 262 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:33.120 What did you guys think about Dodge? I want to 263 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:34.120 talk about that character. 264 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:38.039 He's the redheaded guy who sort of plays that the lackey. Yeah. 265 00:15:38.639 --> 00:15:42.320 Yes, but he's got those letter called Cosmo McKinley glasses, 266 00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:45.039 which is a reference only I would probably make on 267 00:15:45.159 --> 00:15:48.639 podcasts from Shock Treatment. He's got the rich O'Brien oak 268 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:55.200 bottled and eating fish guts. You instantly want to see 269 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:58.759 this guy die. He's such a kiss ass. He's so devious. 270 00:15:59.039 --> 00:16:00.799 If this was a comedy, he would be played by 271 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:01.320 Rick Mayole. 272 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:04.799 I regret when he takes off his glasses because that 273 00:16:04.919 --> 00:16:07.279 he almost looks like a normal human being then, even 274 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:10.159 with that crazy red hairdoo that he has. But I'm 275 00:16:10.200 --> 00:16:12.519 just like, no, no, keep the glasses on, my friend, 276 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:15.120 because that is your look. You need to own it. 277 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:17.159 And he gets his towe eaton. 278 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:20.799 Oh god, I know Tarantino's a big fan of this movie. 279 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:22.600 Is he you a fan of the toe eating scene? 280 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:23.080 Oh? 281 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:26.279 Gross, don't ruin this movie for me mine. 282 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:30.240 Apparently he's got that whole speech when they're beating up 283 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:34.000 the woman, and he's got that all memorized and repeated 284 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:36.279 that back to Trunchard Smith the first time they met. 285 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:40.200 I'm happy for Trenchard Smith that Tarantino's a fan, but 286 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:42.519 we do just need to underline that some people did 287 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:44.879 watch films before quit and Tarantino saw them. 288 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:48.519 I'm just hoping that Trunchard Smith wasn't an influence on 289 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:53.159 Tarantino's choice to play that slave keeper in Django Unchained 290 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:55.960 as an Australian. I mean, it feels like it's an 291 00:16:55.960 --> 00:17:00.799 osploitation reference, just that horrible accent he's trying to put on. 292 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:03.799 Wow, I'm glad. I never saw that. 293 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:04.319 You should be glad. 294 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:07.359 I'm like, I'll just watch the original. 295 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:11.240 My least favorite Quentin Tarantino film. Definitely up there with 296 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:13.319 the Hype Light. But anyway, we're digressing now. 297 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:15.880 Yeah, it's a race to the bottom for me. Yeah, 298 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:18.920 and I love Steve Rail's back. Having more Steve rails 299 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:21.920 Back in my life is something that I really appreciate. 300 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:26.240 And apparently he was getting so method that when he's 301 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:29.680 in that cage at one point and they're putting weights 302 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:31.640 on there. What's the guard's name? 303 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:35.279 Is it the Gus Mercuria character, because yeah. 304 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:38.880 Red Red? Yeah, which I kept thinking that Red was 305 00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:42.960 Dodge's name, and then Dodge was red but because of 306 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:45.559 the red hair. But yeah, with Red putting all those 307 00:17:46.039 --> 00:17:49.240 weights on there, and he's being crushed under this weight 308 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:52.440 inside of this cage, and apparently rails Back really wanted 309 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:54.599 to play that method at first and like, no, no, 310 00:17:54.640 --> 00:17:56.720 put real weights on here, put real weights, and then 311 00:17:57.039 --> 00:18:00.839 eventually it was just like I can't even breathe. It's 312 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:03.839 like you need to take those those real weights off there. 313 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:06.079 So Steve can actually give a performance things. 314 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:10.240 That's crazy Texan. I love Steve Rail's back now he 315 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:14.759 the cast in this was such a delight and no shock. 316 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:18.319 Steve Rail's back is fantastic in everything, and he's one 317 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:21.160 of his guy's even needs in something for fifteen minutes. 318 00:18:21.400 --> 00:18:23.759 I love him. And Nico Mastarracus is the wind and 319 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:26.559 I've been I think he's literally in that for fifteen minutes. 320 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:32.240 But Olivia Hussey, it was such a such a delight. Yeah, 321 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:36.160 I think very underrated. Was it Red that kept calling her, oh, 322 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:40.880 my little flower, my little flower. I was like, oh God, 323 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:43.440 I could not wait. Some of these guys. It brings 324 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:45.880 out your your very old testament side where you're like, oh, 325 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:47.440 I can't wait to see this guy get killed. 326 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:51.200 I like Gusperkurio a lot as Red, but I kind 327 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:53.480 of wish that Victis had been in this movie in 328 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:56.119 that role instead, because I just think that he plays 329 00:18:56.200 --> 00:18:58.880 a present guard the best. And talk about being coded queer, 330 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:01.880 he was scoed queer in so many things, especially those 331 00:19:01.960 --> 00:19:02.839 Jack Hill films. 332 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:04.519 I mean that was one of the things when I 333 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:08.119 watched it this time, I just thought, this is all 334 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:11.400 all these character actors from my Youth came flooding back, 335 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:13.640 and of course Gus Mercurio was one of those. He 336 00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:17.400 was just omni, the omni present, raspy voice of my 337 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:22.519 youth doing ads for sweets, the rating boxing games. It 338 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:25.440 was a big voiceover person in advertising, and he also 339 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:28.279 has a lot of films. He's fantastic. And I just say, 340 00:19:28.279 --> 00:19:31.480 and I mean, I said on my letterbox review of 341 00:19:31.640 --> 00:19:34.160 Turkey Shoots that had got an extra half starf from 342 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:37.400 me for having Noel Ferrier it who I just love 343 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:41.160 and who play basically played the same character and everything 344 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:43.039 I've ever seen him in, which is that sort of 345 00:19:43.720 --> 00:19:48.920 a feat queer coded, you know, upper class kind of person. 346 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:51.480 And he's wonder He's wonderful, He's wonderful of this film. 347 00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:54.599 I just love him. Carmen Duncan Linda Stoner, who was 348 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:57.759 in a very famous Australian television She was in a 349 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:01.279 very famous Australian police sort of segel show called cop 350 00:20:01.319 --> 00:20:03.039 Shop and she was a sort of a big sex 351 00:20:03.079 --> 00:20:07.720 symbol in Australia in the its for obvious reasons. Roger Ward, 352 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:13.240 I mean, yeah, Reckmann as alf It's an absolute smorgasbord 353 00:20:13.319 --> 00:20:15.759 of Australian osploitation sort of talent there. 354 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:19.279 Yeah, And it's so much the better for that, because 355 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:21.680 all of these guys are bringing so much to these 356 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:25.359 roles and I love just how wild especially I mean 357 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:29.279 Guess Mercurio back to him, he is just playing this 358 00:20:29.440 --> 00:20:33.519 to the hilt. And then you get somebody like Thatcher himself. 359 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:36.400 But then you get Michael Craig and he's just kind of, 360 00:20:36.440 --> 00:20:38.960 you know, playing it pretty low and slow, close to 361 00:20:39.000 --> 00:20:41.000 the best type of thing, and I'm like, okay, that's good, 362 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:44.599 and it just makes those other guards seem even more crazy, 363 00:20:44.680 --> 00:20:47.640 like between Guess Mercurio's red and then of course my 364 00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:50.799 favorite Roger Ward, and there is ritter every time Ward 365 00:20:50.839 --> 00:20:52.480 is on screen, and I love the way that they 366 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:56.119 introduce him with that low angle shot looking up with 367 00:20:56.240 --> 00:20:59.519 the sky behind him and just that big fucking mustache 368 00:20:59.599 --> 00:21:02.720 looking at the person on the ground. I was just like, oh, 369 00:21:02.799 --> 00:21:05.400 this is great. And then when they're making do that 370 00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:09.319 recitation of the kind of there I'm a bad person's speech, 371 00:21:09.400 --> 00:21:12.599 you know, I'm a deviat speech and him like punching 372 00:21:12.680 --> 00:21:14.920 at her and stuff, and then after after a while 373 00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:17.480 he just starts like picking her up and throwing her down. 374 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:21.079 There's a lot of wrestling moves in this movie. 375 00:21:21.119 --> 00:21:24.319 To your point, Heather, that's not that's not Linda Stander though, 376 00:21:24.319 --> 00:21:27.039 I think that does that. That's that's what. That's someone else. 377 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:28.640 I can't remember what her name is. 378 00:21:28.680 --> 00:21:31.680 But oh, that poor little girl. Yeah, she looks like 379 00:21:31.759 --> 00:21:34.200 she's fifteen. I don't think she is, but she's so 380 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:39.839 tiny tiny. Yeah and yeah, now to your to your point, Mike, 381 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:44.559 he he was giving me such Ox Baker adjacent energy, 382 00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:47.359 and there's I was like, I was like, why didn't 383 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:50.240 we get an exploctation film with those two his brothers. 384 00:21:50.680 --> 00:21:53.359 They fight from different continents, they find out that their 385 00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:56.480 their brothers, and they fight crime or are probably cause 386 00:21:56.599 --> 00:22:00.599 crime to get the ankles they can't. We work in 387 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:06.160 this film is remarkable. It's so beautiful. I think a 388 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:08.720 lot of times when people hear any kind of ploitation, 389 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:12.079 they just assume immediately if they're not really educated on it, 390 00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:15.079 especially that all of the values are going to be 391 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:19.799 lesser cinematically, But that, as we know, as hard and 392 00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:24.039 jaded the cinema people, that is not the case, because 393 00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:28.039 this film is so beautiful to look at at parts, 394 00:22:28.079 --> 00:22:31.480 like a lot of the pistons, those great lower camera angles. 395 00:22:31.480 --> 00:22:35.480 There's one of as a Jennifer the Evil Huntress, like 396 00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:39.119 where she's said it's that's such a great angle. The 397 00:22:39.160 --> 00:22:44.160 Brian May soundtrack is absolutely incredible. I love this soundtrack 398 00:22:44.279 --> 00:22:47.279 and there's some really great particularly the synth work during 399 00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:50.440 like when the Turkey Shoot starts. I thought it was 400 00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:53.640 really remarkable and it made me think there's a Russian 401 00:22:54.680 --> 00:22:57.119 this is me, I'm sorry, a Russian surf being called 402 00:22:57.160 --> 00:22:59.680 the Meso Chups And I don't know if they sampled 403 00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:01.480 part of the synth or they're paying tribute to it, 404 00:23:01.519 --> 00:23:05.119 but they have a song called Little Princess a Professor Morbius, 405 00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:07.160 and I swear to god it sounds like part of that. 406 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:10.079 So I like to think that Turkey Shoot is that 407 00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:14.640 inspirational that Russian surface are taking of looks from it. 408 00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:17.640 But yeah, this is just and I think that's what 409 00:23:17.680 --> 00:23:19.880 I mean with the sweet Spot. It's just like this 410 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:22.960 film really for me, just ticked off so many boxes 411 00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:26.000 that I love in cinema. And yeah, some of the 412 00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:29.440 some of the tonality is that do you think that 413 00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:31.279 kind of Mike, do you think that threw you off? 414 00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:33.160 Where it's we do have all of this great like 415 00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:38.279 anti this great film that's just anti fascism. See, Ralback 416 00:23:38.839 --> 00:23:42.319 is a great activist. We see him doing underground radio. 417 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:45.559 We see him returning to the camp to free the people. 418 00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:47.880 He could have just kept going to assure him and 419 00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:52.880 Olivia Hussey are are free from these from them, from 420 00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:56.240 this totalitarian kind of thing, and instead now he returns 421 00:23:56.279 --> 00:23:59.720 to say to free the camp. And it's this great 422 00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:02.480 care dirt. But you also do have all this. It's 423 00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:06.640 like a men's pulp novel from the fifties on acid, 424 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:11.519 and it's political, but it's like liberal political. But this 425 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:14.880 is like the good kind of people, like, oh, it's 426 00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:18.279 going to be like Woodstock liberal. Now this is like angry, 427 00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:19.799 we're bombing shit too. 428 00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:22.839 Oh yeah, this is the Weathermen type of liberal. 429 00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:28.079 Yeah, the yippies, yeah, which is kind of sexy. I 430 00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:31.160 thought this Vivie would be a great antidote to all 431 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:35.359 of the really super right wing kind of exploitation villains 432 00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:38.079 that the US was making in the early eighties. I 433 00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:40.680 would take this any day over reds On No. 434 00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:44.119 That's why I feel this fits way more into the 435 00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:47.039 women in prison stuff, especially those Jack Hill films where 436 00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:49.559 it's like these women are being abused and by the 437 00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:51.519 end they're going to have their revenge. They're going to 438 00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:53.680 escape from there. I mean that I'm trying to remember 439 00:24:53.680 --> 00:24:55.599 which one it was of this big bird cage, a 440 00:24:55.640 --> 00:24:59.559 big dollhouse where like Pamgreer covers herself in chicken fat 441 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:02.079 that she won't get caught by the guards as she's 442 00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:04.480 running out of the camp, and Steff, I'm like, that's 443 00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:06.599 what this reminds me a lot of and some of 444 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:09.799 those real inventive things that Jack Hill was doing, as 445 00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:12.759 far as like the tower that's on fire falling and 446 00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:15.680 then the film burns up for a second. It's like, oh, 447 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:17.880 that's a wonderful thing. And I would say that this 448 00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:21.839 is not necessarily as creative, but creative in other ways. 449 00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:24.200 And I think there's especially like you're talking about the 450 00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:27.519 camera work, and once that Turkey shoot starts, it really 451 00:25:27.519 --> 00:25:29.960 doesn't let up. It just goes, goes, goes. And it's 452 00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:36.599 really smart to have what four, five five protagonists, I think, 453 00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:40.160 because you've got chases going on for all of them. 454 00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:43.119 I think it is five yeah, it's five yeah, because 455 00:25:43.119 --> 00:25:44.519 that guy gets chucked in in the inn. 456 00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:47.519 The other one, Bill Young is Griff is probably my 457 00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:51.599 favorite of these guys. Griff is great because he takes 458 00:25:51.640 --> 00:25:52.839 the fight to them, which. 459 00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:54.839 I really like, and he's so smart. 460 00:25:55.640 --> 00:25:58.359 Yeah, and then and then not only that, we've had 461 00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:00.839 the Turkey shoots, and then before you know it, they're 462 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:05.079 scrambling jets to bomb the cap where all the prisoners 463 00:26:05.079 --> 00:26:07.759 have rebelled, and then he finds another way. I mean, 464 00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:10.240 I thought that was I mean, that's just stop footage 465 00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:13.119 obviously of af jet fighters, but I thought that was 466 00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:16.720 really clever. It's like, right, how do I actually, how 467 00:26:16.759 --> 00:26:19.920 do I actually make this film even more batshit crazy 468 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:23.759 than it actually is. I'll have this huge fight where 469 00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:26.759 all the prisoners are basically just suddenly suddenly armed and 470 00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:30.200 fighting the guards, and I'll have jet fighters, and I'll 471 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:32.039 do it on a timer thing too, so that the 472 00:26:32.119 --> 00:26:35.920 jet fighters are coming at the same time. But you've 473 00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:39.759 also got those final You've got Olivia Hussey fighting with 474 00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:44.519 Carmen Duncan's character with that extraordinary sea which he jabs 475 00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:46.880 are in the head, with the exploding arrow in her head, 476 00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:50.599 all that head explosion, and then you've got what is 477 00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:54.160 one of the one of the most extraordinary deaths in 478 00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:59.160 osploitation film stature having his head blown off by the 479 00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:02.559 in the of that fire, in the middle of that firefight. 480 00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:06.000 It's just so within all that too, just the little 481 00:27:06.039 --> 00:27:10.000 things I really appreciated on this watch, the sort of 482 00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:12.599 aesthetic of the film, I think, and I think that's 483 00:27:13.000 --> 00:27:15.960 that's the trench out Smith's credit. I mean, forty seven 484 00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:19.440 is cheap, but it works. I've already spoken about my 485 00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:21.599 love for the phallic chest set, which I just think 486 00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:25.559 is fantastic. You know, they're all thatcha and what's mellory 487 00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:29.160 are wearing those sort of MoU suits. Every bad guy 488 00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:32.000 in a dystopian future film in the nineteen seventies and 489 00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:35.200 eighties was wearing a sort of moo a MoU suit, 490 00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:39.440 a mao jacket, you know that the screen or the screens, 491 00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:43.559 the yellow jumpsuits, that that remote controlled machine gun in 492 00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:45.359 the camp that you just see every now, and to 493 00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:47.880 get the phones that they had, those wonderful sort of 494 00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:51.000 phones that they had, the synth downtrack, the June buggies, 495 00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:53.359 It's all a great little package. 496 00:27:54.079 --> 00:27:56.279 Go back to that chest sat how big is that? 497 00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:00.480 Thank first I was like, what a weird little goth 498 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:04.000 are God and then he the camera pans, You're like, ship, 499 00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:07.279 that's a chest set. Well, I've had a pyramid smaller 500 00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:10.559 than that. Chest sat so over the top, and I say, 501 00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:13.720 there's just a blissfulness and how over the top of 502 00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:16.839 this film goes because it's especially because it does start 503 00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:20.240 off so you have some seriouces. We've got like newsreel 504 00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:23.799 footage film and then all of a sudden we gotta 505 00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:24.440 go get shot. 506 00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:25.640 And I love that. 507 00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:28.839 I collapsed because they got their characters in a paramorray 508 00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:31.200 and you love Olivia Hussey and he gets shot in 509 00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:33.000 the day and then he burnt the live and you 510 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:36.319 can hear him screaming, I shouldn't laughing. I still like 511 00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:36.920 a monster. 512 00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:39.240 No, no, no, I think we know where you're coming 513 00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:39.640 from on this. 514 00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:39.960 We know. 515 00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:42.000 I mean that chest set is one of the many 516 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:44.839 phallic things in this film. That's that you mentioned. I think, 517 00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:50.559 Mike that shot of Roger Ward's character where they're shooting 518 00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:53.599 him from below and then it looks like he's holding 519 00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:57.359 this giant dildo. That's extraordinary, sort of say, that's that's 520 00:28:57.480 --> 00:28:59.839 just before he's gonna Oh no, that's before he beats 521 00:28:59.880 --> 00:29:00.759 up that young woman. 522 00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:04.160 Well, then you get Gus Mercurio getting his franks and 523 00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:07.400 beans stuck in that zipper. When Olivia Hause zips up 524 00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:09.240 the zipper when his cock is out, I'm just like, 525 00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:13.400 oh my god, that's great. And that scream of pain 526 00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:17.200 and terror that he's going through is fantastic. Yeah, so 527 00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:20.160 much of this movie is how are people going to die? 528 00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:24.039 And how can we keep kicking it up every single time? 529 00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:28.599 So like Alf the dog Boy, the where I call 530 00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:30.880 him a werewolf. I know he's a mutant, but him 531 00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:33.599 getting cut in two by that bulldozer I think was 532 00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:37.720 absolutely fantastic. I love even just the little thing with 533 00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:40.640 Roger Ward getting his hand chopped off and then how 534 00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:43.519 the hand is still moving. I'm like, oh, that's pretty nice. 535 00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:44.200 I like that. 536 00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:48.359 Oh my god, especially kids, your pans making you realize 537 00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:52.000 both hands and there's a shot of the other hand 538 00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:56.440 on the rocks and it's twitching a little. It's glorious. 539 00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:58.839 It's it's almost you felt when you were a kid 540 00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:02.039 and you're watching like early Gore films and you just 541 00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:05.319 get that like teenage rush of yeah, oh this is 542 00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:08.119 so gnarly. I this this movie kind of like lit 543 00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:10.279 that fire for me. In parts I was like, oh, 544 00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:15.240 what a fabulous a fag. Oh and the exploding had 545 00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:20.559 its multiple exploding the arrow, Oh my god, that was beautiful. 546 00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:25.119 That was especially That was such a great karmic retribution too, 547 00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:27.319 because it's how how much is it? 548 00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:27.599 Again? 549 00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:31.359 It's in a sport when you were using tech, and 550 00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:35.000 so it's like each person had a nice little kind 551 00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:38.480 of larn with their with their debts. In some cases, 552 00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:41.960 I felt I did feel a little bad for the 553 00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:46.559 wolf mutant hybrid. He collected that guy get to live. 554 00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:53.519 You would become their mascot like Scooby Doo. Would you 555 00:30:54.039 --> 00:30:56.960 kill Secretary Mallory for a Scooby Stack? 556 00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:00.920 Oh there's the fan fg with all of this queer 557 00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:04.920 coat of tark Rider literally threatens to say he's going 558 00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:07.319 to sodomize Steve bressbat. 559 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:09.200 That was amazing. 560 00:31:09.319 --> 00:31:11.079 He was just like, come here, boy, I'm gonna fuck 561 00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:13.680 you in the ass. I'm like, what did you just 562 00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:18.319 what during the climactic fight of the whole movie. I 563 00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:20.720 mean that for me is like the big climax, even 564 00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:23.480 though to your point, Andrew, we're still like twenty minutes 565 00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:25.160 before the end of the movie, because we have yet 566 00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:26.119 to have the air strike. 567 00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:28.039 That's why they had to have the air strike, because 568 00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:31.559 how can you one up all the stuff we've been 569 00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:35.759 talking How can you one up mutant dog people being bisected? 570 00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:38.720 How can you one up a guy? Which, by the way, 571 00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:41.200 do they have any do they have? You said frankin beans? 572 00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:43.720 Do they have the beats? Because Steve Rosveick says that 573 00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:45.000 the guards are canstrated. 574 00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:47.119 Oh really, so it's just the frank in there. 575 00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:50.279 I think it's just the But that was still harder. 576 00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:54.599 That's that's a man's a man's wiener getting second a 577 00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:57.480 zipper that's not fun. So you're getting all of this 578 00:31:58.039 --> 00:32:00.920 unless we just went full of flame for or symphony, 579 00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:04.839 you have to get to get the chats and the bombs. 580 00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:07.799 That is this the first instance, by the way of 581 00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:11.240 an action film of a bad guy threatening sodomy, because 582 00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:13.519 it made me think of that amazing scene of Roadhouse 583 00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:16.519 where that guy tells Patrick Swayze, I used to fuck 584 00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:20.920 guist that you had prison, which really, that's romance. That's 585 00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:23.319 a romance you can have sleep with in Seattle. 586 00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:25.920 Roadhouse is the true romance. 587 00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:28.599 Absolutely more so than true romance. 588 00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:32.079 And I like that movie and I'm not sure if 589 00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:36.359 a sodomy has been threatened upon our main character before Turkey. Shoot, 590 00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:39.079 that would be a really good thing to look up. 591 00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:42.039 Someone's going to pay, I say on that somewhere. 592 00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:42.279 You know. 593 00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:46.079 Well, I'm sure that I'm trying to remember the two 594 00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:49.440 guys from the Big Combo. It feels like they might 595 00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:51.759 have threatened somebody with that at one point. 596 00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:55.599 Oh, I'm sure someone's got someone will let us know. 597 00:32:56.119 --> 00:32:59.359 That's the gift and the curse of the internet. If 598 00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:02.319 you fuck, don't worry, you'll know. 599 00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:05.920 You'll just get a comment from Couchboy one five eight saying, 600 00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:08.240 not only was I angry about the way they talked 601 00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:11.119 about guns, but they also got a sodomy aspect wrong. 602 00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:15.359 It's gonna say neck Beard one nine eight zero. But 603 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:18.559 I think couchboy, that's even. They're very They're very they're 604 00:33:18.640 --> 00:33:21.200 very sympotic out Well, we'll. 605 00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:24.720 Just get complaints as we talk about Thatcher and don't 606 00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:28.400 bring up Margaret Thatcher in the political arena of the 607 00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:29.519 UK at the time. 608 00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:34.079 Yeah, the film, I say it all, and I guess 609 00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:35.880 somebody could say that it's a little on the nerves 610 00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:38.319 for having here to name Thatcher. But I mean we 611 00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:40.599 had the movie where guy gets shot in the dick. 612 00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:42.440 It's okay to be a little on the Norse. 613 00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:45.680 Well, I like that whole Orwellian thing that they have 614 00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:47.960 at the beginning with the whole you know, freedom is 615 00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:50.680 work and these things, and then how he turns it 616 00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:54.559 around and it's just like, disobedience is treason, Treason is 617 00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:57.759 a crime. Crime will be punished, and it's like okay, 618 00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:00.960 and that they that they call all of these people 619 00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:05.759 that are in the camp deviates instead of deviants, but deviates, 620 00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:08.440 and I'm just like, well, the real deviants are all 621 00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:11.760 of the guards and the people that are hunting the 622 00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:15.159 other people. It's not these Yeah, I mean poor Olivia 623 00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:18.800 Hussey guy ran into her shop and they're like, oh, well, 624 00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:21.400 come with us. You must have known this person. I mean, 625 00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:25.760 she hasn't done anything. She's truly the innocent here. And 626 00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:28.639 I'm trying to remember what because I know rails Back, 627 00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:30.679 like you said, he's running the whole radio thing. And 628 00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:32.840 I'm trying to remember the third one what she was 629 00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:33.199 up to. 630 00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:37.519 She's got into some sort of sexual problem. I think 631 00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:39.679 she was, you know, someone dobbed her in for being 632 00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:42.199 a sex work or something like that. I mean, we 633 00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:45.320 don't get a back We don't get a flashback story 634 00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:48.320 from her, and I think that that's got something to 635 00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:48.840 do with. 636 00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:51.679 That My only real and it's not really a complaint. 637 00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:53.760 I wish we would have seen a little more of 638 00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:58.400 a character ocase that actress is so good and we 639 00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:02.400 see she's gone a light in her eyes early on 640 00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:04.559 of just trying to encourage Olivia hasse she's trying to 641 00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:06.559 comfort her, but she's also trying to You could tell 642 00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:09.760 this woman's had to suffer a lot of things to 643 00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:12.840 survive a lot of things by using what an old 644 00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:17.039 an old timer would call feminine wiles. And yeah, she yeah, 645 00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:19.519 I think she says, Oh, they said I was a whore, 646 00:35:19.639 --> 00:35:22.519 but I'm not. And I was hoping she would live 647 00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:23.239 a little longer. 648 00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:23.519 I was. 649 00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:26.079 I was very I was a little bummed by that. 650 00:35:26.320 --> 00:35:28.679 But yeah, and then it's oh god, and then you 651 00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:32.920 see that that reveal of her body that was gasling 652 00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:36.920 but appropriate, especially because it's like it does make me 653 00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:41.000 think of those old action like men's pulp novels from 654 00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:44.199 the fifties and sixties with all those great comfort or 655 00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:48.239 there's just like mutant ape men and they're fighting the Nazis, 656 00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:52.559 and there's like naked weapon. It's it's not quite that outraye, 657 00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:53.320 but it's close. 658 00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:57.519 But that's because the first the first aspect, the first 659 00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:00.000 twenty thirty minutes of the film is all it's all 660 00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:02.079 just a solid prison film, isn't it. And it's got 661 00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:05.719 the various characters of a prison film. You know, You've 662 00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:09.760 got You've always got the prisoner who can't cope. You know, 663 00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:11.880 in every single prison film I've ever seen, there's been 664 00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:15.440 the prisoner that that can't cope. There's the tough prisoner 665 00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:18.599 they want to break. There's the sort of there's the 666 00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:21.599 is that redheaded guy. There's always the toady do you 667 00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.239 know is going to get it really badly? There's and 668 00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:27.000 the guards are also to a type as well. Of course, 669 00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.199 there were always the brutal guard. There's always that scene 670 00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:33.800 in every single prison film I've ever seen where they 671 00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:38.079 arrange the new prisoners in the courtyards so that the 672 00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:41.679 boss guard can basically face them down and you get 673 00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:43.840 the introduction to the prisoners and that sort of thing. 674 00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:46.559 So that's it's just like that. I mean, so they're 675 00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:49.960 taking the prison tropes and then they then they take 676 00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:53.519 the tropes of that people hunting people films and blend 677 00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:56.599 them together plus jet fighters. 678 00:36:56.679 --> 00:36:59.719 Just that this isn't even the quote unquote prison camp, 679 00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:03.800 a re education and behavior modification camp. You know, your 680 00:37:03.880 --> 00:37:07.079 stay here will make you an asset to society. I mean, 681 00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:09.280 that's what I do really like about this, That trench 682 00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:12.760 of Smith is not afraid to go for that message 683 00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:16.199 and put that in here, and it's great. Is it 684 00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:19.360 heavy handed? Yeah, but it's fantastic. I love it. Give 685 00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:21.880 me more of that kind of stuff, you know, just 686 00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:24.599 all of the trappings of that, and just to even 687 00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:27.840 see like their little logo where it's like I guess 688 00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:30.800 it's like two faces kind of pointing out and like 689 00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:34.440 their brains are changing one's circles the other one's triangles, 690 00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:36.840 and I'm guessing, like, okay, I guess you move from 691 00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:39.840 the circle to the triangle or vice versa. Because I 692 00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:42.320 want to say, they even have that on their yellow jumpsuits, 693 00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:45.480 and that's really smart having those yellow jumpsuits. So then 694 00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:48.599 you can the way that Trencher Smith will make the 695 00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:51.280 crowd seem like it's bigger by just moving them. Every 696 00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:53.519 single time he's got a different setup, he moves the 697 00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:57.119 crowd behind everybody else, so it looks like there's hundreds 698 00:37:57.159 --> 00:37:59.360 and hundreds of people when I think it's only like 699 00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:02.880 maybe what twenty thirty something like that, not that many. 700 00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:06.280 And he uses the crowd very well to show, oh, 701 00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:07.760 there's a lot of people in this camp. 702 00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:10.320 He does that too in the fight, saying at the 703 00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:12.239 very end where all of a sudden, it looks like 704 00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:16.159 there's hundreds of people involved in this set pace battle. 705 00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:18.960 You know, all these guards coming down the ridge into 706 00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:21.639 the river, and all the prisoners on the other side, 707 00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:23.599 and it makes it look like there's far more of 708 00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:24.679 them than there actually are. 709 00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:30.239 When I say gloriously economy, like knowing the budget battles 710 00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:32.719 that he had to face with this and all of 711 00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:36.800 that there, you wouldn't know because it's if you're really 712 00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:40.679 looking for it in some places maybe, but he everything 713 00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:45.199 is just handled so beautifully and deftly. There's such a 714 00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:48.920 depth direction to this, and it doesn't it doesn't feel 715 00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:52.400 like you're missing really anything, like you're not missing some 716 00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:54.440 films you watch and you can feel that you're, like, man, 717 00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:56.199 this is you can feel that there's some kind of 718 00:38:56.239 --> 00:38:59.960 greatness loss, an opportunity loss, and I didn't. 719 00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:03.360 Get that you share, And actually I don't think it mattered. 720 00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:05.920 I mean, I know they make all that fuss in 721 00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:10.000 the making of in the making of movie, you know, 722 00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:12.239 shorts that you sent us, the extras mic that you 723 00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:14.559 sent us. I'll watch those. I've seen those before. When 724 00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:16.679 they talk about the fact that they just had the 725 00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:20.079 budget cuts. Someone pulled out and they lost what is it, 726 00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:22.480 seven hundred thousand dollars from the budgets, and so they 727 00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:26.599 just had to cut the first fifteen pages of the script, 728 00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:29.719 which were sort of bleshing out that sort of dystopian 729 00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:32.239 world that they are all in, and the nineteen eighty 730 00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:35.239 four noess. I actually have to say, I quite like 731 00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:39.559 the way you've got those crowd see those scenes of 732 00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:42.559 civil disturbance during the credits, and then bang, you're right 733 00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:45.639 into it. They're in the van. You have those backstories. 734 00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:48.159 I think that really works. I don't think you needed 735 00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:51.280 that other stuff. I think it just it just works. 736 00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:53.119 You're just there. 737 00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:56.639 If I had made Brothers, rather than this being a 738 00:39:57.280 --> 00:39:59.119 ninety minute film, I would cut it down to like 739 00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:01.480 eighty minutes. I think it could actually move a little 740 00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:04.519 bit faster at the beginning. I think once the turkey 741 00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:08.119 shoot starts. Like I said, it moves pretty quickly, and 742 00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:12.599 then it's just that whole exercise and editing who's after who, 743 00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:15.880 who's dead, who's moving out to the other ones, who's 744 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:16.639 teamy gup. 745 00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:19.480 But she can't do that because then you would lose 746 00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:23.559 all that wonderful double on tundra between cut between Tito 747 00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:26.599 and Jennifer over the weapons, which takes at least about 748 00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:29.320 fifty minutes when they're all they're looking at her gun 749 00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:33.480 balances nicely holds well, you know, and then there's there's 750 00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:37.199 her playing with her the cross crossbow bolts and all 751 00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:39.559 of that sort of stuff, which is just glorious. 752 00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:42.320 Oh god. And just Natua makes some calm, like some 753 00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:45.079 little double on tinder about the thing the word he uses, 754 00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:49.480 but basically that a chamber is too large and there. 755 00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:52.199 And is that when she said, and she says, it's 756 00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:54.679 not the largeness, it's what you do with it. It's like, 757 00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:58.320 you know, yes, absolutely, we love that, love it. 758 00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:04.519 And agin, god, he just he just they're insulting each other. Yeah, 759 00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:07.159 it's just so great, especially because there these are the 760 00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:11.840 people that are judging others for being deviot. Meanwhile they're 761 00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:15.400 totally different people are going after a different game, even 762 00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:19.360 though we see them pick each person this is my game, 763 00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:22.440 this is Yeah, they don't. They don't when it comes 764 00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:24.000 out to it, they don't give a share. It's just 765 00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:26.760 it's all. It's like that great shot where it's a 766 00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:31.039 Tito yelling open Season and his little, tiny little bulldog. 767 00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:35.760 We have no idea who Tito or Jennifer even are. 768 00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:39.760 They're just they're these two sort of weird queer euro trash, 769 00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:43.320 weird you know, people who've just been parachuted into the 770 00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:47.000 cap to hunt people. She's got her lovely little you know, 771 00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:49.679 her riding cap on, and she's got a riding uniform 772 00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:52.360 on her horse with the crossbow like she's about to 773 00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:53.239 do dressage. 774 00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:56.239 Isn't that crazy a makeup she's got. At the beginning, 775 00:41:56.239 --> 00:41:59.159 I'm just like, holy cow, lady, that's a that's quite 776 00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:02.000 a look you got going on there. And then they 777 00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:07.079 cut right before she finally, you know, attacks her prey, 778 00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:10.000 and I'm like, oh, I think she was leaning in 779 00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:11.920 for a kiss. And then they cut away from that, 780 00:42:11.960 --> 00:42:14.159 and then the next time you see the girl, Yeah, 781 00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:16.440 it almost looks like she's got the arrow jam down 782 00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:16.960 her throat. 783 00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:19.320 I think it's it's coming out of a cheek. 784 00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:22.519 Yeah, that it's that it's actually doing that. But I 785 00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:24.519 was just like, oh, that looks almost like an oral 786 00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:27.159 thing you've got going on there. And yeah, I'm so 787 00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:28.639 glad when she gets her come up. And so the 788 00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:30.840 come up and says in this movie are pretty great, 789 00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:34.000 especially Tito getting the machete right through the head. 790 00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:37.119 All of all of the come up, You're right, all 791 00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:40.320 every single come up and it's just so special. It's 792 00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:44.760 singular for each for each person. And also you mentioned 793 00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:47.679 her leaning here for that kiss and her I think 794 00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:49.719 I feel I almost made feel bad for that tricks. 795 00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:52.800 I'm like, if she's already got her tongue half way out, 796 00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:55.960 it's like Arno jurging in flesh for freak in his 797 00:42:56.039 --> 00:42:59.000 time when he starts trying to like kiss the sutures 798 00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:02.239 and it's just hell. But this is the guy who's 799 00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:06.719 never probably been with anybody living ever. With Jennifer, she's 800 00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:10.679 just she just it just adds to her sleeves, her 801 00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:11.440 sleeves appeal. 802 00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:14.519 It's not working, Barren, But I love this. 803 00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:16.440 Movie so much, just do. And this was a film 804 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:19.039 and you hear wh people do this with Slashers where 805 00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:21.960 they're like, oh, the kills, the kills, and it's truth. 806 00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:24.239 I don't really go that route. But with this film, 807 00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:28.760 I'm like, we get like the whole booby trap kill 808 00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:33.119 with the multiple like the it's like multiple spikes, got 809 00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:37.920 the exploding arrows, that again a guy burning alive while 810 00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:41.840 after being shot in the granal region. I can't think 811 00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:43.920 about the movie that it has the Twain meet like 812 00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:44.639 that so much. 813 00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:47.719 Yeah, that poor guy near the beginning with those two 814 00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:49.719 big balls filled with gasoline. 815 00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:53.199 But the other aspect of this film, which is funny 816 00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:56.400 too in that respect, is it's all it's like that. 817 00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:59.199 You know. It's like that Great State in the Austin 818 00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:01.760 Powers movie where Scott sort of says, but you're going 819 00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:04.800 to feed him, you know, d Dr Evil has captured 820 00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:07.039 Austin Poweer. You're gonna feed him? What? You just to 821 00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:10.480 gun bank shoot him dead? You know. Everything in this 822 00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:15.280 film is so unnecessarily complicated, you know, And that's what 823 00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:17.440 someone of the joys about it. And that's why that 824 00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:21.840 that ridiculous game with the gasoline, which actually makes no 825 00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:24.480 sense really but it kind of works. You know. It's 826 00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:26.599 like you can just shoot him bank there, but you're 827 00:44:26.599 --> 00:44:29.039 going to do this sort of ridiculous thing with with 828 00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:32.599 plastic things of gasoline. It's like what you just dubbed 829 00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:34.960 the gasoline on him, so you were like, bang, that's dead. 830 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.480 I have a gun in my room. I could go 831 00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:41.039 up and we could shoot him together. It would be fun. 832 00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:44.440 One of the greatest lines from that film. That film 833 00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:46.760 does skewer Bond films and a lot of those action 834 00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:49.800 films quite well in that respect for sure. 835 00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:52.480 Yeah, I'm about to talk about moon Baker this weekend 836 00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:55.760 and talk about a movie that just was such the 837 00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:59.039 embodiment of the James Bond camp and all the things 838 00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:02.119 that Austin Power. It's just reveled in so much. I mean, 839 00:45:03.159 --> 00:45:05.079 the second wasn't it, The second one where they go 840 00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:07.320 to space, the second Austin Powers, I mean that is 841 00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:09.360 so yeah, a moon breaker. 842 00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:12.519 But it's also that that Austin Power is shot where 843 00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:17.719 the guy is gonna get getting run over by theer. 844 00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:19.400 He's my favorite. 845 00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:22.760 That reminded me of the scenes with that tune Buggy. 846 00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:24.360 You know, it's that is. 847 00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:27.360 My absolute favorite out of any of Austin Power is 848 00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:28.440 that two minutes. 849 00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:30.880 Do you know what's so great about that scene is 850 00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:34.719 there's a cut scene. There's a cut scene after almost 851 00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:38.519 every guard death in Austin Powers or cut scenes for those, 852 00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:43.760 I should say, And it's going back and seeing the 853 00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:47.639 family of the guard and just like, oh, it's something 854 00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:50.159 happened at work today, your father's not coming home and 855 00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:54.920 it becomes a big SoSE moment with like the music swells, 856 00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:57.760 and the mom and the son who's now without a 857 00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:02.159 father are there completely you know, destroyed. I love that. 858 00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:04.199 I really wish they would have done that. 859 00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:06.760 They're having drinks for him and Rob Low's proposing a 860 00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:10.239 toast for him. Yes, it actually goes to another point 861 00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:12.559 which I've been thinking about a bit because I mean, 862 00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:16.599 Turki Shoot. We've laughed about the violence and all that, 863 00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:20.639 because people talk about these films as being you know, revolved, 864 00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:23.639 as disreputable, but they're not as violent as the average 865 00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:27.840 superhero films, you know, I mean where where the violence 866 00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:32.079 is so dehumanized and you don't really see it, but 867 00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:33.719 you know, hundreds of people are getting. 868 00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:38.599 Killed, hundreds sometimes thousands of millions. You look at that 869 00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:42.159 Man of Steel where he it's I think the guys 870 00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:44.079 from We Hate Movies are like that's seventy five to 871 00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:46.840 nine to Eleven's all happening between all of the different 872 00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:51.119 buildings being destroyed by Zod and Ursa and None and 873 00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:52.360 Superman himself. 874 00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:55.880 Whereas this is just killing fascists basically, well, some of 875 00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:57.880 the prisoners get killed too, but this is just killing, 876 00:46:58.480 --> 00:46:59.760 you know, these weird fascists. 877 00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:04.599 Not to have that great Hordarowski interview, WHI Jonathan Ross rees, 878 00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:09.239 I love violence, but yeah, it's it's when people complain 879 00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:13.760 made these complaints. I'll wait, you've realized this is a storytelling, 880 00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:17.960 and we violence is everywhere, violence is in our is 881 00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:22.000 in everyday life. And and if a film, maybe the 882 00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:26.679 film is having this obviously the more cartoonish aspect of 883 00:47:26.719 --> 00:47:31.559 it in some ways, I'm obviously, but that's okay. It's 884 00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:34.000 all part of just it's all part of storytelling. And 885 00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:36.360 you know what, I think it's as reputable it is 886 00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:39.920 making making making a movie that costs enough money to 887 00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:45.199 you could rescue and revitalize third world economies, and you 888 00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:49.679 make it a shitty, boring movie that is disreputable. Making 889 00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:53.440 an entertaining film that actually it's beautifully made in so 890 00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:57.719 many facets and has some intelligence too. Within all of 891 00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:02.360 the exploitation type. I'll train that's the most reputable thing. 892 00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:03.039 In my opinion. 893 00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:06.039 I love I love that. It's it's just reputible to 894 00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:07.679 waste money and make a shitty movie. 895 00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:10.679 Heather, is that your Ted talk? I would pay cash 896 00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:12.280 money to hear that Ted talk from you. 897 00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:16.719 Thank you. My Ted talks are very strong. I try 898 00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:17.960 to have to wear it by welcome. 899 00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:20.000 The Mini you should be on the moth instead. I 900 00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:25.039 guess it goes back to the whole Aristotelean thing of Catharsis. 901 00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:27.320 You know, like, why do we like this stuff? Well, 902 00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:30.039 it's great to see these fascists being killed. Yeah, okay, 903 00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:32.679 we like you said, we see some prisoners killed as well, 904 00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:35.599 but it just makes us even angrier about the fascists. 905 00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:41.079 So yeah, this is great. I'm okay with bad people 906 00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:43.719 being murdered in movies, especially after you see them doing 907 00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:45.480 bad things over and over again. 908 00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:49.199 We say far what we say about you know, probably 909 00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:51.800 about what seven or eight people get killed in this film, 910 00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:56.400 very terribly. But I saw Deadpool the Wolverine recently, and 911 00:48:56.440 --> 00:48:58.639 I mean got the violence in that film, and just 912 00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:03.000 that the anonymous consequence free violence of that film is 913 00:49:03.280 --> 00:49:06.239 extra I quite enjoyed it, but it was extraordinary. And 914 00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:09.880 that's every single superhero. It's there's no consequences, there's no 915 00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:13.440 showing of the violence, but people are dying. 916 00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:16.960 The funny thing about Deadpool and Wolverine is that both 917 00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:21.599 of those superheroes their power is regeneration. Like that scene 918 00:49:21.639 --> 00:49:25.119 where Deadpool is killing all of the other Deadpools and 919 00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:26.880 then they all get up and just kind of shake 920 00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:29.840 it off and they're ready to fight again. It's like, okay, yeah, there. 921 00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:33.239 Death isn't a real thing in these superhero films. I mean, 922 00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:35.480 it's not a real thing in movies, right, But it's 923 00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:38.400 just like, none of these guys, these they can't be hurt, 924 00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:41.159 but they can be hurt temporarily, but they just literally 925 00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:44.559 get up straight and their spine out could connect the 926 00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:46.960 bottom half to the top half if I was alf 927 00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:49.280 the dog boy kind of thing and then just carry 928 00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:50.039 on with my day. 929 00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:53.559 Yeah, but consequence free violence in films, that's what I'll 930 00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:55.360 actually object to that. I really disliked that. 931 00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:59.199 Yeah, for on so many levels. There's a level, but 932 00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:02.880 it's also well, you've just kind of like taken the 933 00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:08.159 teeth out of your story. You've defamed it. It'd be 934 00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:12.159 like Alf without his fans or his top hat or 935 00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:14.960 his I love the time, and it's all vast. He's 936 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:18.039 a little he's a little lad, and we love the 937 00:50:18.079 --> 00:50:21.440 little lad. It's the tale as old at time. Because 938 00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:25.079 it's in the eighties. We had all these politicians in 939 00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:27.679 the States that were wanting the eighties and nineties ballots 940 00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:31.639 and through video games or complaining about oh, natural born 941 00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:34.960 killers or whatever. But meanwhile it's true. Lies is great. 942 00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:38.559 Oh that's a great movie. That's a great American movie, 943 00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:44.599 big movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, ridiculous, it's but yeah, I 944 00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:46.760 don't know. I think if somebody tells you this film 945 00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:49.679 is disreputable, that tells you more about them in the movie. 946 00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:53.239 Well. It also came i think at a point in 947 00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:56.199 Australia's because you know, there were those two streams of 948 00:50:56.239 --> 00:50:58.880 Australian filmmaking at that time. There was the sort of 949 00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:03.840 new wave when we're making films like picnicd Hanging Rock 950 00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:08.159 and Careful He Might Hear You and these bucolic sort 951 00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:13.400 of stories of young girls in white lacey dresses following 952 00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:16.119 through an alien Australian landscape and all of that, and 953 00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:20.079 then you've got osploitation, which is sort of you know, 954 00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:22.880 at variance with that, and so much of the criticism 955 00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:25.519 of Turkey Shooters by these critics who are all huge 956 00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:29.480 fans of the sort of that new wave of Australian filmmaking. 957 00:51:29.480 --> 00:51:31.280 So of course they're going to When I was looking, 958 00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:33.000 when I was reading up on this film and I 959 00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:35.239 was reading all the negative comments and who was making them, 960 00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:36.599 I was going, of course you're going to say that. 961 00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:38.559 Of course Philip Adams is going to say that. Of 962 00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:40.519 course David Stratton is going to hate it. There are 963 00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:43.480 all these new wave people and you know, if you're 964 00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:47.239 not if you're not walking through the Australian Outback or 965 00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:50.679 you know, through in a lacey dress, it's it's you know, 966 00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:53.320 looking at the sort of looking at the looking at 967 00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:55.199 the world around you. It's it's it's not going to 968 00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:55.599 rate for. 969 00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:58.960 Them at that because I just feel like independent, so 970 00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:02.599 them people should all come to cover. It's like everybody, 971 00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:06.119 you're old. Everybody's basically fighting the good fight here. That's 972 00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:08.360 like that in so many countries that because it's like 973 00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:12.159 how many sort of art house people over here would 974 00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:17.159 turn down their nos be like oh, whether it's adult oh, 975 00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:20.920 that's just born out. That's evil Missus Jones's art house. 976 00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:24.639 It didn't play in an art house, so that's why 977 00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:26.000 it's classes here. 978 00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:30.000 It also it takes on a specific resonance in Australia 979 00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:35.880 because we're a small secondary market and we're always struggling 980 00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:39.000 for cultural relevance and for and to punch above our 981 00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:42.639 white and to be seen as a serious cultural force. 982 00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:46.079 This is certainly in the seventies and eighties when Australian 983 00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:49.719 filmmaking was just starting, so it was very much seen 984 00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:54.559 as through that, through that lens of advancing a serious 985 00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:58.880 look at Australia and Australian themes and all that stuff. 986 00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:03.599 And of course within that, films like Turkey Shoot they're 987 00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:07.840 not that they're not serious art house films that are 988 00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:10.320 vine with the kind of films that they make in 989 00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:13.559 America or Britain or stuff like that. So it's that 990 00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:17.079 sense of cultural cringe is even we still have it now, 991 00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:20.400 but in the seventies and eighties it was really well developed. 992 00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:23.679 So I didn't realize that because I knew this movie 993 00:53:23.679 --> 00:53:25.840 had a lot of different titles, but I didn't realize 994 00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:29.920 that the Escape two thousand version that was released here 995 00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:34.119 in the States on VHS was actually a lot shorter, 996 00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:37.480 and maybe that was doing what I was hoping it 997 00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:40.920 would do. It's only seventy eight minutes thirty seven seconds, 998 00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:43.639 as opposed to at least a solid ninety for the 999 00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:47.880 one that we watch as Turkey Shoot. So I did 1000 00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:53.000 not realize that there's a twenty twenty one Umbrella Osploitation 1001 00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:56.239 Classics release of this that has that version on there. 1002 00:53:57.760 --> 00:53:58.599 What did they cut? 1003 00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:01.920 I wish I knew, but I hope it's better than 1004 00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:04.920 the cars that eight people versus the cars that eight Paris, 1005 00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:08.480 which is just an abomination. And that's like an hour 1006 00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:10.719 long compared to like an hour and a half. They 1007 00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:12.119 really butchered that thing. 1008 00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:16.119 Boy, that's disreputable. I know, I fear it. Seems like 1009 00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:18.400 anytime a film like this gets cut, it's usually going 1010 00:54:18.480 --> 00:54:22.239 to be the nudity and violence all the funds. 1011 00:54:23.079 --> 00:54:25.400 But this is an American release, so maybe they just 1012 00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:28.159 played that up. Who knows we do love our guns? 1013 00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:30.199 Did they duble in American voices? 1014 00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:32.400 That would make a lot of sense if they did 1015 00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:32.840 that too. 1016 00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:35.960 I mean, that's awful. I hate that shit me too. 1017 00:54:36.159 --> 00:54:38.840 I hate it. I hate dubbing in general, but especially 1018 00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:42.800 where it's you demiances. If everybody's speaking English, it's an accent, 1019 00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:47.039 it's we have accents in our fucking country. They're gonna 1020 00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:50.679 dub heath Hall where everybody sounds like they're buck Owens 1021 00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:54.119 is like, see like he's Frank's at oddre or soundry. 1022 00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:56.679 Jim naghbors that would be a good release to get 1023 00:54:56.679 --> 00:54:59.199 at this. I have the severan release of this. 1024 00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:01.719 Yeah, I think that one's still in print, but I 1025 00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:05.360 think the the osploitation classics are out of print, or 1026 00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:08.079 at least this one is. But I wish it wasn't 1027 00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:09.440 me too. 1028 00:55:09.920 --> 00:55:12.239 We know how much these things go up in value. 1029 00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:14.360 Well, especially if it's got a slipcover to it. I 1030 00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:16.360 mean that piece of cardboard is going to cost a 1031 00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:17.039 lot of money. 1032 00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:19.800 Those are probably like the you know, people like shooting 1033 00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:23.199 each other ever sneakers in the eighties, people probably liked 1034 00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:25.320 doing that, getting in night fights ever slip ever. 1035 00:55:26.760 --> 00:55:26.960 Wow. 1036 00:55:27.039 --> 00:55:29.039 Something I will have to track down now is the 1037 00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:33.440 Escape two thousand release of this film, just to compare it. 1038 00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:35.440 All Right, We're going to take a break and play 1039 00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:38.760 a pair of interviews. First up, we'll hear from ritter himself, 1040 00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:41.760 Roger Ward, and after that it is writer director Brian 1041 00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:44.599 Trenchard Smith. And we'll be back with both of those 1042 00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:46.480 right after these brief messages. 1043 00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:51.239 Hello, this is Will, a writer of three films plus 1044 00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:52.639 My Christmas Special, And. 1045 00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:54.440 This is Kevin, a writer of one in a bit 1046 00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:56.320 films of three and a bit episodes of TV. 1047 00:55:57.119 --> 00:55:59.559 Screenwriters by day, Podcasters by night. 1048 00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:03.519 Yeah, okay, batman, And we're the hosts of The Best 1049 00:56:03.519 --> 00:56:06.079 Bits I Show, where each episode we pick our favorite 1050 00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:09.519 film scenes for randomly selected, weirdly specific. 1051 00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:13.960 Themes such as best fighting There's sex scene, and best 1052 00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:15.159 Tom Cruise running scene. 1053 00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:16.559 Why should I know these things? 1054 00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:17.039 Do you go? 1055 00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:20.480 And we have the world's first podcasting AI to keep 1056 00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:22.920 us on the straight and matup say hello pod but Hello. 1057 00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:26.400 So if you're looking for another film podcast, subscribe to 1058 00:56:26.719 --> 00:56:27.159 Why not. 1059 00:56:27.159 --> 00:56:30.239 Check us out The Best Bits with Will Collins and 1060 00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:33.480 Kevin Lee Hans And yeah. 1061 00:56:33.079 --> 00:56:34.880 It's good crash Irish crack. 1062 00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:37.800 So if you want legal crack, subscribe to The Best 1063 00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:39.400 Bits podcast Please. 1064 00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:50.840 I wanted to talk to you about Brian Crunchard Smith 1065 00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:53.719 and Turkey Shoot specifically, but I'd love to know just 1066 00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:57.079 how because you worked with them several times, and how 1067 00:56:57.360 --> 00:56:59.920 was your experience working on Turkey Shoot. 1068 00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:04.320 I knew Frenchard before he made Man from Hong Kong, 1069 00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:08.280 before he even started making films. I met him, so 1070 00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:11.440 we were friends and we did a few documentaries together, 1071 00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:14.719 and then he told me about this form he was 1072 00:57:14.719 --> 00:57:18.079 trying to get up called the Yellow Peril, which happened 1073 00:57:18.119 --> 00:57:21.559 to be eventually The Man from Hong Kong, about a 1074 00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:24.360 year or so before he got to going. So we 1075 00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:26.760 did that together and then we did other things later. 1076 00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:29.719 But then he rang me this one Turkey shoot. He 1077 00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:33.480 rang me in May eighty one and said he had 1078 00:57:33.519 --> 00:57:36.559 a scheme, but he didn't have a set date to start. 1079 00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:40.239 I just signed with the company to do a television 1080 00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:44.000 series and I'd done the pilot and I was waiting 1081 00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:46.760 to do the main part of it, so I thought 1082 00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:50.840 I couldn't do this one a Turkey shoot. But anyway, 1083 00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:54.480 it was held off. The other show was put off 1084 00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:56.920 for a while, and this one took a while to 1085 00:57:56.960 --> 00:58:01.239 start so I could do it and out about May 1086 00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:03.960 eighty one when he rang me, and it wasn't until 1087 00:58:04.039 --> 00:58:08.880 June that we actually started filming. But I didn't want 1088 00:58:08.920 --> 00:58:12.199 to wait. I was shooting in Here in North Queensland, 1089 00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:16.760 which is a lovely spot holiday resort. So I grabbed 1090 00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:18.320 my kids and I said, look, you want to come 1091 00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:22.039 up to Cans for holiday. So we drove up thinking 1092 00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:24.599 we had a couple of week and we were about 1093 00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:28.000 a week on the trip, just relaxing and enjoying ourself. 1094 00:58:28.760 --> 00:58:32.000 And there was a telephone communication problem, so I didn't 1095 00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:36.599 really know where I was starting or how they were going. 1096 00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:38.920 And we finally got through to each other and they said, 1097 00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:44.079 where the hell are you? Four hundred miles away? They said, 1098 00:58:44.119 --> 00:58:47.079 for God's sake, we were trying to get there for days. 1099 00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:50.480 So I shot up the Cans one hundred miles an 1100 00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:54.480 hour and got there late that night and the producer, 1101 00:58:54.599 --> 00:58:58.559 Tony Ganaine, who would book me or wanted me, and 1102 00:58:58.679 --> 00:59:00.840 he wanted me to look like had Max, like the 1103 00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:06.320 guy in Max. He said, you've got hair. Yeah, he said, God, 1104 00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:09.239 get it off. I said I can't because I'm doing 1105 00:59:09.199 --> 00:59:11.159 it in the middle of the pilot for the new show. 1106 00:59:12.079 --> 00:59:15.519 And so he said, God, that's why I need you 1107 00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:18.880 like that. I don't even my agent and I was there. 1108 00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:21.960 They got through okay, after Cutler, but them and I 1109 00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:24.480 was standing alongside him when he's talking to my agent. 1110 00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:26.920 He said, we need right to take his hair of us, 1111 00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:32.840 and he went on thousand dollars. He wants a thousand dollars. 1112 00:59:32.480 --> 00:59:38.400 To shave his head. He said, okay, shave your hair. 1113 00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:41.840 You just find yourself a thousand bucks with now a 1114 00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:42.599 thousand bucks. 1115 00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:46.119 That shave my head. And just as well because the 1116 00:59:46.199 --> 00:59:49.159 pilot never went The pilot that I did for the 1117 00:59:49.239 --> 00:59:51.840 series never did go off, so I was lucky to 1118 00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:55.559 do that. But Tony Tony works or lives in America 1119 00:59:55.639 --> 01:00:00.280 mostly and he does very UnAustralian films and this one 1120 01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:03.719 of them. He does unique films and I quite liked 1121 01:00:03.760 --> 01:00:05.960 working with him. He's good of a tyrant that I 1122 01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:09.000 quite enjoy working with him. But yeah, we worked in 1123 01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:12.800 eighty one and it was until through the July, mid 1124 01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:16.760 July we worked. We had David Hemings doing second unit 1125 01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:20.239 and David is quite a good director. I quite enjoyed 1126 01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:23.280 working with it. What's the name again, I don't The girl? 1127 01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:27.119 Oh Olivia Hussey, Olivia Hut. 1128 01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:30.599 She was really nice but a bit off the air, 1129 01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:34.599 poor kid she was. She's married to Dean Martin's son, 1130 01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:38.840 Dean Martin Jr. He was a pilot in the Air Force. 1131 01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:42.239 But they're just divorced. But she was remarried to a 1132 01:00:42.320 --> 01:00:47.480 Japanese guy, a Japanese guitarist musician. But she still seemed 1133 01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:50.400 out off the air. And a couple of times she 1134 01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:52.599 said to me, I don't want to be here. I 1135 01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:55.239 don't want to be here. Was he like, can North 1136 01:00:55.239 --> 01:00:58.559 squeeze nn. It's not that she said, I just don't 1137 01:00:58.599 --> 01:01:01.960 want to be here on this she's a bit weird 1138 01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:05.199 at time. Or she wrote a book called The Girl 1139 01:01:05.280 --> 01:01:10.360 on the Balcony in twenty eighteen, and so she's doing okay. 1140 01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:13.760 She must be. She must have got out of that depression, 1141 01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:17.280 but she was in a very depressive state. Steve rasback 1142 01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:21.800 with a lovely guy. He's not the best athletic person 1143 01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:25.800 in the world, but he kept stumbling and falling over. 1144 01:01:26.639 --> 01:01:28.639 But he had a good stunt man that doubles for him, 1145 01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:31.480 so he was okay. But Steve Rasack is a lovely 1146 01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:31.960 guy too. 1147 01:01:33.239 --> 01:01:34.679 Do you have a good time. It feels like you're 1148 01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:37.599 having a very good time. From as a viewer. 1149 01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:41.000 My first fat shooting, like the day after I had 1150 01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:43.840 my head shake, was in a They took me out 1151 01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:47.079 and David Hemmingt did the second unit. Brian was working 1152 01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:49.760 the main unit. So David took me to this river 1153 01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:55.519 and Steve Rowseback and Olivia were supposedly being chased by 1154 01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:58.760 me by characters, and they had to cross this river 1155 01:01:58.840 --> 01:02:03.320 on a log and she was pleading at the lad 1156 01:02:03.679 --> 01:02:07.360 and Steve Raose was doing the like the Jaws music. 1157 01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:10.360 The dast up that, but he was quite happy on 1158 01:02:10.440 --> 01:02:13.679 the log that I had it wade through the bloody 1159 01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:18.400 river was cheteat or neck deep. I had a wade 1160 01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:21.880 through the river. And before that there's crocodiles up there 1161 01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:24.719 like you wouldn't believe. And they said, oh, there's no 1162 01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:28.840 crocodiles in here. But anyway, we did explode put dynamite 1163 01:02:28.840 --> 01:02:31.360 in the river and we would have got rid of 1164 01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:34.719 any crocs that I heard that the like was saying 1165 01:02:35.239 --> 01:02:37.480 where he blew the river up the center clocked up 1166 01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:40.000 to my area. Not only do I have to cross 1167 01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:42.159 the river, but I had to go to the other 1168 01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:45.000 side of the river to come back for the shot. 1169 01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:48.480 So I had to cross the damn river twice. And 1170 01:02:48.519 --> 01:02:51.519 he said to me, David, bloody liar that he was. 1171 01:02:51.599 --> 01:02:54.039 He said, I don't worry I've got a stunt man 1172 01:02:54.119 --> 01:02:58.039 underwater with sphere guns by the water was yet black 1173 01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:00.639 and I couldn't see any bubbles shoming up. But he 1174 01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:02.840 said they were stunt men under the water with guns, 1175 01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:05.840 so they couldn't have seen a crocodile anyway over the 1176 01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:09.599 air short So I went across to the other side. 1177 01:03:09.679 --> 01:03:12.440 I said, you get one pink baby gets one shake, 1178 01:03:13.559 --> 01:03:16.880 and I crossed the river neck up with my guns 1179 01:03:16.880 --> 01:03:19.480 above her head. But that went well. It was a 1180 01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:23.119 good looking scene. It looked good. But later on at 1181 01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:26.440 the continuation of that scene but done a few days later, 1182 01:03:27.239 --> 01:03:31.440 where Steve and Olivia are still running and I'm still chasing, 1183 01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:34.320 and it got to that stage where we did the 1184 01:03:34.400 --> 01:03:38.960 cutting of the hand sequestion. I was shooting it Steve 1185 01:03:39.079 --> 01:03:42.320 and having a fight with Steve. And finally near the 1186 01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:44.400 end of that scene, I put my hands on a 1187 01:03:44.519 --> 01:03:48.559 rock with a gun between double handed, and I'm firing 1188 01:03:48.559 --> 01:03:51.800 at Steve and she's got hold of my machete and 1189 01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:54.679 she's supposed to chop my hands off, and she's got 1190 01:03:54.760 --> 01:03:57.320 I looked up and she's got the machete above her head. 1191 01:03:57.760 --> 01:04:02.119 Her eyes are blazing, and David said, okay. 1192 01:04:01.960 --> 01:04:04.239 And cut. She went to tough. 1193 01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:09.199 Maybe he said no, don't count to god. I got 1194 01:04:09.199 --> 01:04:10.719 my hands out of the way in time. But the 1195 01:04:10.760 --> 01:04:14.599 floody machete come down on it. Oh my god. She 1196 01:04:14.719 --> 01:04:19.639 was off the air that they did it did the 1197 01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:23.719 game later, but David willed the mechety. Later on they 1198 01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:26.880 did a close up. They couldn't have a handle of 1199 01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:29.840 the chevy guy, but she was really off the air 1200 01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:30.280 that kid. 1201 01:04:31.599 --> 01:04:33.880 You mentioned the pilot that you were doing at the time, 1202 01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:36.840 and it feels like, just looking at your filmography nineteen 1203 01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:39.519 eighty two, nineteen eighty one, you were really busy because 1204 01:04:39.519 --> 01:04:41.639 you were doing the Pirate movie around the same time too. 1205 01:04:41.960 --> 01:04:44.000 Yeah, I did the Pirate movie the same year. I 1206 01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:47.199 did well if you kept Lady Stayed Dead the same year. 1207 01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:50.760 I did a lot of films that. Yeah, yeah, the pilot, 1208 01:04:51.440 --> 01:04:53.320 but I would have liked to have done that pilot. 1209 01:04:53.360 --> 01:04:56.400 It was it was a planet a cop, quite a 1210 01:04:56.400 --> 01:05:00.639 good cop, good character. I remember Terry Burke, he's a director. 1211 01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:03.079 You may have heard of him. Terry Birke's wife, she 1212 01:05:03.199 --> 01:05:06.159 was a Japanese girl, and she saw the pilot and 1213 01:05:06.199 --> 01:05:09.000 she said to me, oh, you become a star. You'd 1214 01:05:09.039 --> 01:05:12.199 be some star, said he I've already a star, thank 1215 01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:16.480 you very much. I'm doing four frills this year. But 1216 01:05:16.599 --> 01:05:21.039 they never did eventually. But we had English producers on 1217 01:05:21.079 --> 01:05:24.400 this score on Turkiship. They were English producers and they 1218 01:05:24.400 --> 01:05:27.280 were pretty rooch, the sort of guys financially. And although 1219 01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:29.760 I played quite well and I was paid on time, 1220 01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:34.400 a lot of people weren't that I was. But they 1221 01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:37.840 were also looking on ways to make money, and they 1222 01:05:37.920 --> 01:05:41.760 befriended a horse trainer up there, a guy called Joe, 1223 01:05:41.840 --> 01:05:45.159 only a young guy but about thirty. They befriended him 1224 01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:47.599 and they said to him, look, so they had races 1225 01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:50.280 every Saturday in the country, and they're not pleased the 1226 01:05:50.320 --> 01:05:53.760 country state. They're not pleased by any regulations, and they 1227 01:05:53.800 --> 01:05:55.800 have a lot of bookies up there, and they said 1228 01:05:55.800 --> 01:05:58.840 to him, look, can you rig the race so that 1229 01:05:58.920 --> 01:06:01.599 we can get on the horse that you guarantee is 1230 01:06:01.639 --> 01:06:03.920 going to win and we'll get some money if you 1231 01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:08.960 get the shim moving. Because so this trainer said, yeah, sure, okay. 1232 01:06:09.280 --> 01:06:11.519 So he told his dropees and pay them off what 1233 01:06:11.639 --> 01:06:15.079 to do, and the favorite was to be pulled back 1234 01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:18.199 by the jockey. So he said to me and Cheve Rackman, 1235 01:06:18.280 --> 01:06:21.559 the other actor who played out. He said, you guys 1236 01:06:21.559 --> 01:06:23.679 want to get in on this, he said, because the 1237 01:06:23.679 --> 01:06:26.000 producers are back and a certain horse which is going 1238 01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:28.840 to win. He said, I've organized it to win and 1239 01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:32.320 you can make some decent money. So I put fifty 1240 01:06:32.320 --> 01:06:34.519 bucks on it. I didn't take a chance, as Steve 1241 01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:37.039 would about the fame. But these producers, there were a 1242 01:06:37.039 --> 01:06:40.320 circle of bookies in a circle, and these producers blatantly 1243 01:06:40.360 --> 01:06:43.760 went around putting thousand bucks with that, a thousand bucks 1244 01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:46.519 with that. Jeff walked around the circle blatant. He put 1245 01:06:46.519 --> 01:06:49.840 a thousand bucks on each bookie, so obvious, and I 1246 01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:52.760 put my fifty bucks down there with one. But anyway, 1247 01:06:52.760 --> 01:06:55.760 the race started at of course, to favorite bound it 1248 01:06:55.840 --> 01:06:59.440 out ahead of all the others, and the poor jockey 1249 01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:02.280 couldn't hold the bloody thing back. He could see him 1250 01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:04.559 pulling on it, trying to get it back. And of 1251 01:07:04.559 --> 01:07:07.960 course the one that's supposed to win was floundering in second, 1252 01:07:08.519 --> 01:07:10.639 and all the other jockeys are holding his back, letting 1253 01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:14.159 number seven win. But the bloody favorites up the head. 1254 01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:17.039 So the poor jockey, thinking what's going to happen to 1255 01:07:17.079 --> 01:07:19.519 live if he does win? The race, so he jumped 1256 01:07:19.519 --> 01:07:23.800 off the horse and it broke his bloody leg. He 1257 01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:26.360 drok his leg into the bargain. But it was probably 1258 01:07:26.400 --> 01:07:28.840 better that would have happened to him. Had he won 1259 01:07:28.880 --> 01:07:31.199 the race, he would have got worse. But of course 1260 01:07:31.199 --> 01:07:33.599 there's a big inquiry about it. But he said, I 1261 01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:36.119 fell off the horse, and of course that horse, where 1262 01:07:36.119 --> 01:07:39.480 there's no rivals, he doesn't win. So number seven came 1263 01:07:39.519 --> 01:07:42.480 in and the producers and me went up to the 1264 01:07:42.559 --> 01:07:45.239 jockeys and to the bookies and got our money. But 1265 01:07:45.320 --> 01:07:49.400 it was quite embarrassing, terrible, But these think producers didn't 1266 01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:52.320 change the care, just picked their money up blatingly and 1267 01:07:52.559 --> 01:07:56.519 went on, they want that trainer because he did a 1268 01:07:56.519 --> 01:07:59.920 favor for me, and Steve wouldn't leave it alone from 1269 01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:02.280 and then every night he came to our room every night, 1270 01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:05.320 talk talk, talk all night. So about a week we 1271 01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:07.119 just couldn't get rid of him. He thought he was 1272 01:08:07.159 --> 01:08:09.920 a great mate of ours. So Steve said to me, 1273 01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:12.199 can you get rid of bloody Joe? He's in my 1274 01:08:12.320 --> 01:08:14.440 room every night? I said, but he's in my bloody 1275 01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:16.920 room every night too. He should forget rid of him, 1276 01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:19.840 for christ Shake, I'm s fit up with him. So 1277 01:08:19.920 --> 01:08:22.760 I thought, okay, I thought, I'm an idea what to do. 1278 01:08:23.279 --> 01:08:25.880 So anyway, I went to Steve's room when he was 1279 01:08:25.960 --> 01:08:30.239 in there, and I went into the bathroom stripped naked 1280 01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:34.600 and got a very thin candle, stuck it up my 1281 01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:38.359 ears listen and turned me out, singing, come. 1282 01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:40.000 Out of baby, and I light my fire. 1283 01:08:41.399 --> 01:08:44.079 And this poor Joe he Fred is a. 1284 01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:48.439 Blundy many're your body man. He left and we never 1285 01:08:48.600 --> 01:08:55.479 saw him again. But I'm not help the kid candle. 1286 01:08:55.520 --> 01:08:57.560 I'm telling you that now we got rid of the 1287 01:08:57.560 --> 01:08:58.079 poor bagger. 1288 01:08:58.840 --> 01:08:59.319 Yeah, I know. 1289 01:08:59.880 --> 01:09:03.399 Was saying that the budget was slashed tremendously and that 1290 01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:05.119 was one of the big problems. It sounds like they 1291 01:09:05.119 --> 01:09:07.800 didn't put that betting money back into the pool. 1292 01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:11.960 Maybe they didn't. Did he mention the betting money? 1293 01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:15.279 No, he didn't tell me that story. No, that was fantastic. 1294 01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:18.159 He may not even known about it because he gipt 1295 01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:20.880 been remarried, and he gept been married the first time. 1296 01:09:21.479 --> 01:09:23.039 He was in love with his beautiful wife and he 1297 01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:28.680 was still with and he didn't didn't socialize much. We 1298 01:09:28.840 --> 01:09:32.680 socialized a lot. He's the previous and finished. But on 1299 01:09:32.760 --> 01:09:35.720 that he was very much in love with his beautiful wife. 1300 01:09:36.239 --> 01:09:39.640 But didn't see much of him. But what I just 1301 01:09:39.640 --> 01:09:42.600 looked in to see. Oh yeah, when I mentioned that 1302 01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:46.359 they put explosives in the river, that guy was a 1303 01:09:46.439 --> 01:09:47.239 wild irishman. 1304 01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:47.680 He looked. 1305 01:09:47.680 --> 01:09:49.960 He linked in cares and he just came out from island. 1306 01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:53.199 He was a bit of an explosive expert because they 1307 01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:56.680 used him on the river. They paid him a fair money, 1308 01:09:56.720 --> 01:09:58.920 a fair amount of money because he saw a party 1309 01:09:58.960 --> 01:10:02.079 that night his property. He said, I've got a big 1310 01:10:02.119 --> 01:10:03.920 party at my property, and I come along. And he 1311 01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:08.039 catered well and all that. But there were some like 1312 01:10:08.079 --> 01:10:11.399 an outhouse, an outside toilet on the property in the 1313 01:10:11.600 --> 01:10:13.680 in the middle of a paddock. He said, oh, there's 1314 01:10:13.720 --> 01:10:16.520 a toilet over there. But most of us just went 1315 01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:18.680 to the bush or onnce of the trees. Nobody went 1316 01:10:18.720 --> 01:10:23.039 into the toilet. But Gus Mercurio is an actor from 1317 01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:27.600 America and a very gruff voice actor, and he played 1318 01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:31.640 one of the prison guards with me, and he played 1319 01:10:31.680 --> 01:10:35.319 Red in the film. Anyway, he wandered off and went 1320 01:10:35.359 --> 01:10:38.079 into the toilet, and they should he was not in 1321 01:10:38.079 --> 01:10:42.600 there about spew millets. When banged, the bloody toilet exploded. 1322 01:10:43.640 --> 01:10:46.760 All the walls went fell down and the roof came off, 1323 01:10:47.199 --> 01:10:51.600 and he hitched poor bloody Red slicking in the bloody 1324 01:10:51.640 --> 01:10:53.840 toilet and he said, trousers around his ankles. 1325 01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:56.680 Then god damn, what the goddamn. 1326 01:10:56.159 --> 01:11:01.000 Well's going on here? It's this bloody experted bte it 1327 01:11:01.119 --> 01:11:04.319 for a joke, except the point was up with false 1328 01:11:04.399 --> 01:11:07.800 wolves and everything, and blew the blooding apart when anybody went. 1329 01:11:08.319 --> 01:11:10.199 It just happened that got the carrier of the only 1330 01:11:10.239 --> 01:11:14.359 one that used it. But he was quite a crazy guy. 1331 01:11:14.600 --> 01:11:16.680 They're a bit crazy up there in northwest there, but 1332 01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:19.079 he was an irishman on top of it, so it 1333 01:11:19.319 --> 01:11:23.359 added to it. But I was quite happy doing the show, 1334 01:11:23.439 --> 01:11:25.880 and I liked that fight scene I did with the 1335 01:11:25.880 --> 01:11:29.680 girl Ariano Panazza. Yeah, she was the young girl I 1336 01:11:29.800 --> 01:11:33.279 beat up in the when Michael Michael Craig was doing 1337 01:11:33.279 --> 01:11:37.600 your speech about in jail and looking after yourself and 1338 01:11:37.680 --> 01:11:40.720 I had a fault make out, faulty hitter, and she 1339 01:11:40.840 --> 01:11:43.279 was a very good little actress. I didn't hit her 1340 01:11:43.279 --> 01:11:46.399 at once, but I came very close to it, and 1341 01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:48.760 she she made that scene I felt she said, I 1342 01:11:48.760 --> 01:11:51.000 forget what she said. But with the beautiful speech she 1343 01:11:51.079 --> 01:11:54.800 made while I was trying to supposedly smack her, and 1344 01:11:54.960 --> 01:11:56.840 I ended up kicking her her death in the end, 1345 01:11:57.399 --> 01:11:59.399 but she did a good job the kid. 1346 01:11:59.560 --> 01:12:03.319 Yeah, you and Hugh keys Burns are probably my favorite 1347 01:12:03.319 --> 01:12:05.399 part of Man from Hong Kong. I know that movie's 1348 01:12:05.439 --> 01:12:08.239 got so many great things to offer, but just you 1349 01:12:08.359 --> 01:12:11.800 guys together as the cop buddy kind of thing. I 1350 01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:13.880 was like, I wish they spun off a whole series 1351 01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:15.079 of movies with you too. 1352 01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:18.119 That were suggested, and we would have love that. Yeah, 1353 01:12:18.119 --> 01:12:20.319 we were a good double. I like that. He's a 1354 01:12:20.359 --> 01:12:22.479 great guy to work with it. I'd work with him 1355 01:12:22.479 --> 01:12:26.720 in Style as well, and that one Madam Hong Kong, 1356 01:12:26.920 --> 01:12:29.600 but it was a toightly different character and in Madam 1357 01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:32.840 Hong Kong was good. Yeah, so I enjoyed that film. Yeah. 1358 01:12:33.640 --> 01:12:35.439 That was the thing I like about Brian's films is 1359 01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:37.840 it just feel very fun and it feels like he's 1360 01:12:37.880 --> 01:12:40.600 having a good time making them, You're having a good 1361 01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:43.960 time acting in them, and I just enjoy watching those. 1362 01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:47.359 Yeah, he's a boys on boy. He love action on 1363 01:12:47.399 --> 01:12:47.920 a bencher. 1364 01:12:48.079 --> 01:12:51.239 Yeah, be working on these days because I feel like 1365 01:12:51.279 --> 01:12:52.199 he never slowed down. 1366 01:12:53.039 --> 01:12:56.439 Yeah, I did a film last September in Cann's North 1367 01:12:56.520 --> 01:13:00.880 Quaint Fans signed Flash. We did Turkis Shoot and I've 1368 01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:04.880 just I've won two acting awards for that since then, 1369 01:13:05.680 --> 01:13:08.359 just for that film alone, and on the strength of that. 1370 01:13:08.439 --> 01:13:11.920 The director is writing another one but next April, which 1371 01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:14.920 he hasn't finished his script yet, he said he to me, 1372 01:13:15.560 --> 01:13:19.479 but he tends to thirty pages another thirty. It's a 1373 01:13:19.560 --> 01:13:22.039 very good script. They're both horror films. To what I 1374 01:13:22.079 --> 01:13:26.960 did before is a horror film called Zombies Versus the 1375 01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:30.359 Men's Shed. The Men's shed a place where men go 1376 01:13:31.119 --> 01:13:34.880 and the zombies attack it. But it was a combatic horror. 1377 01:13:35.560 --> 01:13:38.520 And now we're doing another one and next April May. 1378 01:13:39.319 --> 01:13:43.520 So I booked for that, but I'm actually writing my memoirs. 1379 01:13:43.560 --> 01:13:47.520 As I think we spoke about that before. Justin has 1380 01:13:47.640 --> 01:13:51.079 wrote him intro for it. It's not been published. It's 1381 01:13:51.119 --> 01:13:53.319 on the way, but they've asked me to do a 1382 01:13:53.359 --> 01:13:57.000 second version, had like a second volume, which I'm not 1383 01:13:57.079 --> 01:14:01.479 he completed, and so I'm busy working writing pretty well 1384 01:14:01.479 --> 01:14:04.279 all day every day, but just so I've done. I'm 1385 01:14:04.319 --> 01:14:07.319 just about to finish the second volume, but I'm nowhere 1386 01:14:07.359 --> 01:14:09.600 near the end of my life. So they're now talking 1387 01:14:09.600 --> 01:14:13.520 about doing a third volume. We better wait, we see 1388 01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:16.199 if these first two we've already got there one but 1389 01:14:16.399 --> 01:14:19.199 I'm not going to put all that type. But having 1390 01:14:19.239 --> 01:14:21.760 lived a long life, like I have a text you 1391 01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:24.640 while of bloody writer, I'm not an eight any year 1392 01:14:24.640 --> 01:14:25.279 old pop star. 1393 01:14:26.560 --> 01:14:28.319 I can't wait to read those. I hope we can 1394 01:14:28.359 --> 01:14:30.239 talk again once those come out. 1395 01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:33.720 Yeah, I love Justin did a good job with the intro, 1396 01:14:33.960 --> 01:14:38.560 very good, and but yeah, I quite enjoy that that 1397 01:14:38.680 --> 01:14:41.520 first memoir has gone to the making of Mad Max. 1398 01:14:41.600 --> 01:14:44.960 It's called Becoming fee Fee so lead up to me 1399 01:14:45.359 --> 01:14:48.520 playing Mad Max. And then the next one is all 1400 01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:51.279 about my sojourn after Bad Max. I went out the 1401 01:14:51.359 --> 01:14:57.399 season to it all around Europe and Paris and Brussels, England, America, 1402 01:14:57.600 --> 01:14:59.920 trying to flog another film that I wrote, Will Take 1403 01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:02.359 Been Made Fish. But that was a sort of a 1404 01:15:02.479 --> 01:15:06.239 journey to try and shallow that film, and I finished 1405 01:15:06.279 --> 01:15:09.439 that when that film was made, So I've had an 1406 01:15:09.520 --> 01:15:12.800 angle on both of them. We're leading the Mad Max 1407 01:15:13.159 --> 01:15:15.720 leading to the sale of that film, and then the 1408 01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:18.199 next one I'll be leading up to my expiry. I 1409 01:15:18.239 --> 01:15:22.000 should imagine if you do. But I really like writing 1410 01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:24.920 and I ate it. Other people's worked and I've just 1411 01:15:24.960 --> 01:15:28.079 finished that on Friday. We did someone else's script on Friday, 1412 01:15:28.840 --> 01:15:32.000 so there's no rest. Let's go all the time, either 1413 01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:34.199 acting or writing. But I quite like him like that. 1414 01:15:35.680 --> 01:15:38.720 I couldn't sit down and relax sometimes, I'd like you. 1415 01:15:39.760 --> 01:15:42.239 Do you still get paid a thousand dollars to shave 1416 01:15:42.279 --> 01:15:42.600 your head? 1417 01:15:43.319 --> 01:15:46.560 Yeah? Actually every film after they wanted me to shave 1418 01:15:46.600 --> 01:15:49.680 my head, and I said, I'm sorry, but there's a criteria. 1419 01:15:49.960 --> 01:15:53.399 It's going to cost you a thousand bucks. And it's 1420 01:15:53.399 --> 01:15:58.560 funny enough when my agent told the producer that was 1421 01:15:58.600 --> 01:16:00.920 going to cost him a thousand should what I can 1422 01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:03.760 remember when rude your work for a thousand back season, 1423 01:16:04.840 --> 01:16:06.359 that's what they say. Now when I say, look, it's 1424 01:16:06.399 --> 01:16:07.720 not across a thousand book. 1425 01:16:08.079 --> 01:16:10.560 Oh jeez, I'd trying to port that. 1426 01:16:10.720 --> 01:16:14.439 Oh sorry, you want to get it? So I do. 1427 01:16:14.880 --> 01:16:16.880 I prefer to have hair. I'd like to have hair, 1428 01:16:16.960 --> 01:16:20.279 but everybody wants me bald. My wife works me bald. 1429 01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:23.640 Every time my hair gets a fraction of her stubble. 1430 01:16:23.760 --> 01:16:26.199 She worked me to shave it. So I can't win. 1431 01:16:27.720 --> 01:16:29.079 Do you tell her it's going to cost her a 1432 01:16:29.159 --> 01:16:29.880 thousand dollars. 1433 01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:35.279 Yeah, I try that. I didn't vigure that I'll have 1434 01:16:35.319 --> 01:16:37.119 to give her the thousand to give it to me. 1435 01:16:37.319 --> 01:16:43.640 You yea. Even my daughter says, I prefer you with 1436 01:16:43.760 --> 01:16:46.319 the bald head and the verstache. Dad. Even my daughter 1437 01:16:46.359 --> 01:16:47.159 perfers me like this. 1438 01:16:47.680 --> 01:16:50.720 I don't know why, mister Ward. Thank you so much. 1439 01:16:50.880 --> 01:16:52.840 I really appreciate you talking to me about this. 1440 01:16:53.560 --> 01:16:54.680 Good Thank you. 1441 01:16:54.720 --> 01:17:15.880 Thanks Mike, before we even start to talk about Turkey shoot. 1442 01:17:15.880 --> 01:17:18.800 I'm so curious how you decided or how you got 1443 01:17:18.840 --> 01:17:21.600 into the movie business, just because you have had such 1444 01:17:21.640 --> 01:17:22.720 an interesting career. 1445 01:17:23.640 --> 01:17:27.039 I've been very lucky with my career and I just 1446 01:17:27.119 --> 01:17:29.119 happened to be in the right place at the right time. 1447 01:17:30.840 --> 01:17:33.760 I decided I wanted to be a filmmaker after seeing 1448 01:17:33.800 --> 01:17:37.680 Albert Hitchcock's Vertigo on its re release in England when 1449 01:17:37.720 --> 01:17:42.399 I was thirteen, double pilled with it. Rory Calhoun Western 1450 01:17:42.760 --> 01:17:47.800 four Guns to the Border with Nina Fosch, whose name 1451 01:17:47.920 --> 01:17:51.159 was given to this pronunciation quite a lot in Hollywood, 1452 01:17:52.119 --> 01:17:56.159 and she was in the ten Commands. And I eventually 1453 01:17:56.199 --> 01:18:00.640 took acting lessons as a director, wishing to learn better 1454 01:18:00.760 --> 01:18:05.000 how to relate to actors from Nina Fosch when she 1455 01:18:05.039 --> 01:18:10.319 became the drama coach, and she was a fine drama 1456 01:18:10.359 --> 01:18:12.680 coach and actress. I did a six month course with 1457 01:18:13.039 --> 01:18:16.640 Barry Manilos in the class as a flair for comedy, 1458 01:18:17.279 --> 01:18:21.159 I could tell the class, but seeing Vertigo convinced me 1459 01:18:21.399 --> 01:18:26.520 that it made me feel something that I realized. I 1460 01:18:26.560 --> 01:18:29.560 loved movies. I loved how they made me feel, and 1461 01:18:30.079 --> 01:18:34.359 I wanted to make other people feel that way. And 1462 01:18:34.520 --> 01:18:38.359 I'd even experienced a little bit of that manning the 1463 01:18:38.399 --> 01:18:42.840 school projector at my boarding school, the sixteen milimeters projector 1464 01:18:43.399 --> 01:18:48.680 that I was taught how to monitor it, and it 1465 01:18:48.720 --> 01:18:52.840 was great to watch the audience enjoying a Mickey Mouse 1466 01:18:52.880 --> 01:18:59.439 cartoon something like that. I liked the feeling of a show, 1467 01:19:00.159 --> 01:19:04.760 like the feeling of an audience reacting to a drama 1468 01:19:05.239 --> 01:19:08.039 of some kind or a comedy playing out on the screen. 1469 01:19:08.560 --> 01:19:10.600 And I guess I said, I want to do that. 1470 01:19:11.520 --> 01:19:14.640 Just we a great deal of good fortune I was 1471 01:19:14.680 --> 01:19:18.960 able to. I made an eight milimeter film at school, 1472 01:19:19.800 --> 01:19:26.479 which included a battle scene using the Cadet core. As 1473 01:19:26.479 --> 01:19:30.079 a result of that, I got to edit the sixteen 1474 01:19:30.159 --> 01:19:37.079 millimeter film for an industrial film for the father of 1475 01:19:37.319 --> 01:19:42.640 my girlfriend as I was leaving school, and they paid 1476 01:19:42.680 --> 01:19:47.000 me ten pounds to hack this four hundred feet of 1477 01:19:47.279 --> 01:19:53.279 sixteen millimeter footage of the industrial developments at the central 1478 01:19:53.359 --> 01:19:58.600 electricity generating board, shipping good as it by helicopter, not 1479 01:19:58.720 --> 01:20:01.880 damaging farmers, and all that had to be put into 1480 01:20:02.199 --> 01:20:06.880 some sense of coherence to what random cameraman had shot. 1481 01:20:07.359 --> 01:20:10.960 And that was my first editing experience. I got odd 1482 01:20:11.000 --> 01:20:14.680 jobs in the Bridge film ministry for the next two years, 1483 01:20:14.720 --> 01:20:19.720 but there was no rapid advancement due to it being 1484 01:20:19.760 --> 01:20:23.399 a closed shop. There was a trade union that said 1485 01:20:23.439 --> 01:20:26.039 that you couldn't hire anyone outside of the union if 1486 01:20:26.039 --> 01:20:28.960 there was still a union member in that particular category 1487 01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:33.520 that was unemployed. And suddenly if you were the relative 1488 01:20:33.560 --> 01:20:38.039 of a union member or were related to famous actors 1489 01:20:38.119 --> 01:20:41.199 or famous producers and directors, he was easy to get in. 1490 01:20:41.479 --> 01:20:46.520 But I had no such family connections, and so I 1491 01:20:46.560 --> 01:20:50.199 had worked as a clapper boy for a company, a 1492 01:20:50.319 --> 01:20:54.880 non union company or French actually a French newsreal company 1493 01:20:54.920 --> 01:20:59.760 operating in London, and I wrote myself a reference on there, 1494 01:21:01.039 --> 01:21:04.079 they saying I was basically the greatest things in sliced 1495 01:21:04.119 --> 01:21:08.159 bread and took it to the boss. And so I'm 1496 01:21:08.199 --> 01:21:11.720 going to Australia, to the land of my father, to 1497 01:21:11.720 --> 01:21:13.800 see what I can do over there. Would you mind 1498 01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:16.840 signing this and it'll help me get a job, And 1499 01:21:17.039 --> 01:21:20.520 he said, oh, okay, fine, so off I went. I 1500 01:21:20.600 --> 01:21:23.960 sailed to Australia during the British seamen strikes. That was 1501 01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:26.680 an interesting voyage. Within three weeks of getting. 1502 01:21:26.479 --> 01:21:31.479 To Australia, I was working as a news film editor 1503 01:21:32.359 --> 01:21:36.600 at Channel ten Sydney, having cold called one day and 1504 01:21:36.680 --> 01:21:39.000 presented my reference. 1505 01:21:40.079 --> 01:21:42.520 I think I can be reasonably persuasive when I put 1506 01:21:42.560 --> 01:21:45.319 my mind to it, and I had a good interview 1507 01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:50.520 with personnel officer who was recovering from an armed robbery 1508 01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:56.640 at the television station, a payroll robbery which he and 1509 01:21:56.720 --> 01:22:01.960 his assistant were tied up. The seven thousand dollars dollars 1510 01:22:02.039 --> 01:22:05.840 was stolen, the thieves were eventually caught. I think about 1511 01:22:05.920 --> 01:22:10.039 four months later I was interviewed by him. I don't 1512 01:22:10.079 --> 01:22:13.800 know whether any of these strange coincidences had any bearing 1513 01:22:13.880 --> 01:22:18.000 upon my hiring anyway. He's a nice guy, but that 1514 01:22:18.119 --> 01:22:22.680 was my start, and news cutting led me promoting well, 1515 01:22:23.199 --> 01:22:26.399 saying I think the station promos are dull. I can 1516 01:22:26.479 --> 01:22:29.840 do better, and they said okay. In Australia in those days, 1517 01:22:29.880 --> 01:22:32.680 it was if you want to have a go, or 1518 01:22:32.760 --> 01:22:35.119 let you have a go, you better not fuck up. 1519 01:22:35.920 --> 01:22:39.960 So I did and the premos I said, I've put 1520 01:22:40.119 --> 01:22:42.439 sex and violence so far as you were allowed to, 1521 01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:44.479 or maybe a bit more than you were allowed to. 1522 01:22:44.960 --> 01:22:49.359 And this attracted the attention of another television network. They 1523 01:22:49.399 --> 01:22:53.159 stole me. I made promos for them and they were 1524 01:22:53.239 --> 01:22:55.720 very happy. And I just had a flare of picking 1525 01:22:56.079 --> 01:23:01.039 the bits out of what I saw that would attract 1526 01:23:01.079 --> 01:23:04.399 you to want to see more. And I had already 1527 01:23:04.439 --> 01:23:08.520 been unconsciously making a study of this throughout my childhood 1528 01:23:08.520 --> 01:23:13.119 because I always wanted to see the trailers and anyway, 1529 01:23:13.359 --> 01:23:17.399 and trailer making became an adjunct to my filmmaking career, 1530 01:23:17.439 --> 01:23:20.319 and I've made over a one hundred. When I stopped 1531 01:23:20.359 --> 01:23:27.079 counting trailers for theatrically released films, either on cinemas or 1532 01:23:27.239 --> 01:23:33.079 directed video or those of the two, made countless more 1533 01:23:33.479 --> 01:23:39.199 promos for television. I launched the Australian launch of the 1534 01:23:39.279 --> 01:23:45.600 original Star Trek series and that famous Red Raymond Burr 1535 01:23:45.720 --> 01:23:52.479 series ironside A mod Squad Time Tunnel. I made Australian 1536 01:23:52.520 --> 01:23:58.760 pemos for those and anyway. So promo making and then 1537 01:23:58.840 --> 01:24:04.800 trailer making for cinema well. Promo making on Australian television 1538 01:24:05.079 --> 01:24:11.680 led to an American company sending me to London to 1539 01:24:11.800 --> 01:24:16.199 work for National Screen Service, their subsidiary that made seventy 1540 01:24:16.239 --> 01:24:21.479 percent of the trailers for English language product in Europe, 1541 01:24:21.920 --> 01:24:25.800 which included spaghetti westerns amongst others. So I made the 1542 01:24:25.840 --> 01:24:28.439 trailer for SERGIOI only his Months upon a Time in 1543 01:24:28.479 --> 01:24:32.199 the West. You can find still on YouTube if you're 1544 01:24:32.239 --> 01:24:37.720 a diligent cinema historian. And it's actually not a bad trailer. 1545 01:24:38.159 --> 01:24:41.520 I would say that most of my trailers are too long, 1546 01:24:42.119 --> 01:24:45.399 and like all trailers, give too much away. But I, 1547 01:24:46.640 --> 01:24:49.680 being a great one, longtime lover of trailers, now I 1548 01:24:49.800 --> 01:24:52.640 try not to see them till after I have seen 1549 01:24:52.640 --> 01:24:56.239 the mute. Then I said, ah, where did they choose 1550 01:24:56.279 --> 01:24:59.920 that bit? I think don't know why that bit was wasted? 1551 01:25:00.359 --> 01:25:05.159 And why didn't they choose that shot, et cetera. Why 1552 01:25:05.199 --> 01:25:07.880 did they give away that plot point there, et cetera. 1553 01:25:08.000 --> 01:25:11.600 We go on, But to promo making has a great 1554 01:25:11.640 --> 01:25:20.119 deal to do with my analytical process when creating a project. 1555 01:25:21.000 --> 01:25:27.680 And The Man from Hong Kong, my first big feature film, 1556 01:25:28.039 --> 01:25:34.079 was basically created almost on a trailer maker's formula. An 1557 01:25:34.119 --> 01:25:38.159 action scene, one dialogue scene, you know, propel the narrative 1558 01:25:38.560 --> 01:25:43.319 as economically as possible through the interaction of characters, and 1559 01:25:43.560 --> 01:25:47.000 get to the next set piece and give the audience 1560 01:25:47.239 --> 01:25:50.640 a variety of what they came to see. And an 1561 01:25:50.720 --> 01:25:54.840 action picture that could go all over or it can 1562 01:25:54.920 --> 01:25:57.920 be strictly martial arts. And I chose to combine a 1563 01:25:57.920 --> 01:26:04.359 bit of Bondish action to basic kung fu material in 1564 01:26:04.359 --> 01:26:08.159 The Man From But it was it was done to 1565 01:26:08.239 --> 01:26:13.279 a formula that would keep things moving. I'd make them 1566 01:26:13.359 --> 01:26:18.119 laugh and laughs and gasps. I think, I guess two 1567 01:26:18.159 --> 01:26:19.880 words that would I have lived by. 1568 01:26:20.479 --> 01:26:24.560 But where were you as far as your career when 1569 01:26:24.600 --> 01:26:25.640 it came to Turkey Shoot? 1570 01:26:27.159 --> 01:26:31.680 Turkey Shoot actually initially was a setback to my career 1571 01:26:32.359 --> 01:26:35.600 and is now actually considered to be one of the 1572 01:26:35.600 --> 01:26:38.760 more interesting films that I made. It's funny how things 1573 01:26:38.760 --> 01:26:45.239 turn out. But in nineteen eighty two when it came out, 1574 01:26:45.439 --> 01:26:50.159 it was reviled by critics and did great business in 1575 01:26:50.279 --> 01:26:52.880 the drive in theaters of America and sold to Roger 1576 01:26:52.960 --> 01:26:58.039 Corman's New World Pictures, where it actually it grossed over 1577 01:26:58.119 --> 01:27:01.520 a million dollars on a basically just to drive in 1578 01:27:01.680 --> 01:27:06.159 double release, which was not bad, pretty good from Australian 1579 01:27:06.159 --> 01:27:10.239 film in nineteen eighty two in the American market. But 1580 01:27:10.319 --> 01:27:13.840 as for where my career was at that point, my 1581 01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:20.760 career after Man from Hong Kong, I was not let's say, 1582 01:27:21.000 --> 01:27:25.920 not consider an A Levis director of Australia. Directors who 1583 01:27:26.039 --> 01:27:30.479 chose different subject matter, a more serious minded subject matter, 1584 01:27:30.600 --> 01:27:37.119 more Australian a subject matter. They were directors that tended 1585 01:27:37.159 --> 01:27:43.319 to state and federal funding bodies who wish to be 1586 01:27:43.399 --> 01:27:49.039 associated with higher cultural product, let's say. But also the 1587 01:27:49.079 --> 01:27:53.399 distributors who were involved, who have reluctantly forced into investing 1588 01:27:53.399 --> 01:27:57.720 in Australian films by the government regulation, thank you. They 1589 01:27:57.960 --> 01:28:00.800 want to lose money, and of course the occasionally they 1590 01:28:00.840 --> 01:28:05.920 made a lot of money. Alvin Purple hugely successful Australian 1591 01:28:06.319 --> 01:28:09.199 sex comedy that men could bring their wives to at 1592 01:28:09.199 --> 01:28:13.079 the beginning of the brand new R rating, which was 1593 01:28:13.079 --> 01:28:19.840 a sort of suddenly nice surprise and seventeen so I 1594 01:28:20.119 --> 01:28:23.399 Man from Hong Kong had not gotten me an American career, 1595 01:28:24.159 --> 01:28:27.359 and it hadn't gotten me an Australian career other than 1596 01:28:27.640 --> 01:28:30.960 anything I could generate myself. So I went and generated 1597 01:28:31.079 --> 01:28:36.680 Death Cheaters, which was a curious hybrid. I managed to 1598 01:28:37.000 --> 01:28:39.479 sell it to a distributor to be a G rated 1599 01:28:39.960 --> 01:28:44.319 Christmas release action picture, sell it to a television distributor 1600 01:28:44.319 --> 01:28:49.720 international television distributor as the pilot for a potential television series, 1601 01:28:50.560 --> 01:28:55.039 and somehow I had to please both masters and get 1602 01:28:55.079 --> 01:28:58.319 it out in time for Christmas. When I was shooting 1603 01:28:58.359 --> 01:29:03.119 in July now and shooting on sixteen millimeter, blow it 1604 01:29:03.199 --> 01:29:06.640 up thirty five and it's for one hundred and fifty 1605 01:29:06.680 --> 01:29:11.119 thousand dollars moving. Actually it passes the time. It's a 1606 01:29:11.239 --> 01:29:16.479 very interesting time capsule today. After Death Cheaters and then 1607 01:29:16.680 --> 01:29:21.039 stunt Rock, I knew that I used stunt Rock as 1608 01:29:21.039 --> 01:29:23.199 a stepping stone to see if I could get a 1609 01:29:23.239 --> 01:29:26.319 picture going in Hollywood or at least bring investment back 1610 01:29:26.319 --> 01:29:31.560 to Australia. But that only resulted in me getting useful 1611 01:29:31.600 --> 01:29:34.640 experience in America of my may Day of the Assassins 1612 01:29:35.079 --> 01:29:38.840 and doing a lot of promotional work and making contacts 1613 01:29:38.880 --> 01:29:43.520 with major distributors. So it was a useful a couple 1614 01:29:43.520 --> 01:29:47.279 of years, but Turkey shoot was what brought me back 1615 01:29:47.319 --> 01:29:50.239 from the US and I thought, okay, this will be 1616 01:29:50.399 --> 01:29:54.600 my film with a reasonable budget that I could really show. 1617 01:29:54.399 --> 01:29:55.359 My staff that. 1618 01:29:56.720 --> 01:30:01.039 Unfortunately, we lost a third of the bus and it 1619 01:30:01.079 --> 01:30:03.800 had to come out of the below the line. And 1620 01:30:04.039 --> 01:30:08.039 this happened during pre production, and no fault of the 1621 01:30:08.079 --> 01:30:14.399 producer was because government changed the tax incentive regulations and 1622 01:30:14.479 --> 01:30:18.840 so the extraordinarily generous one hundred and fifty percent of 1623 01:30:18.960 --> 01:30:22.600 your tax liability if you invested it in an Australian 1624 01:30:22.640 --> 01:30:28.199 feature film had to be theatrically released and qualify to 1625 01:30:28.800 --> 01:30:32.840 an adequate amount of Australian content. Then that's and that 1626 01:30:32.920 --> 01:30:35.479 really got a lot of films made, and maybe a 1627 01:30:35.520 --> 01:30:39.399 lot of films that really needed greater thinking through before 1628 01:30:39.399 --> 01:30:43.560 they were rushed into production. But that's another story. Bees 1629 01:30:43.640 --> 01:30:50.159 to the honey. So when the regulation changed and you 1630 01:30:50.319 --> 01:30:54.600 couldn't get one hundred and fifty percent, get on twenty percent, 1631 01:30:56.880 --> 01:31:01.319 said ah, yeah, I'm not doing that, and the money 1632 01:31:01.359 --> 01:31:04.880 didn't show up, and so two weeks before shooting, clearly 1633 01:31:05.479 --> 01:31:10.000 the thirty six day schedule was not going to happen. 1634 01:31:11.600 --> 01:31:14.560 We actually had to lose seven days of shooting too, 1635 01:31:14.960 --> 01:31:20.880 and we couldn't afford the cost of the first fifteen pages, 1636 01:31:21.800 --> 01:31:25.239 which I replaced with a stop footage credit title sequence, 1637 01:31:25.640 --> 01:31:29.239 which did the job just as well. So it's funny 1638 01:31:29.279 --> 01:31:33.760 how things turn out. I wanted to do nineteen eighty 1639 01:31:33.840 --> 01:31:37.640 four meets the Camp on Blood Island, and then they 1640 01:31:37.800 --> 01:31:42.039 play the Most Dangerous Game or the Naked Prey or 1641 01:31:42.560 --> 01:31:46.600 Battle Royale or the Hunger Games or whatever derivative run 1642 01:31:46.600 --> 01:31:51.159 of the arrow, whichever derivative of the most Dangerous Game 1643 01:31:51.640 --> 01:31:55.720 which and I thought that combination of those three genre 1644 01:31:55.800 --> 01:32:00.840 supsets would be an entertaining cocktail shaken, not stirred. I 1645 01:32:00.880 --> 01:32:05.840 was going to make it violent and sardonic. In yeah, 1646 01:32:05.920 --> 01:32:09.920 basically mission accomplished, but not with the finesse that I 1647 01:32:09.920 --> 01:32:14.399 had hoped, and had to do a lot of improvisation. 1648 01:32:14.920 --> 01:32:19.880 You know, the somewhat spacey futuristic vehicle that Camp Commandant 1649 01:32:19.960 --> 01:32:22.000 was going to drive that turned out to be a 1650 01:32:22.039 --> 01:32:27.640 simple agricultural vehicle to be found in Cares, but it 1651 01:32:27.680 --> 01:32:30.840 was red and it was a different shape. That was 1652 01:32:30.840 --> 01:32:34.520 a start, and one has to be philosophical about these things. 1653 01:32:34.760 --> 01:32:39.199 But I realized that I was going to have to 1654 01:32:39.279 --> 01:32:43.159 veer more into camp than I probably had intended to, 1655 01:32:43.720 --> 01:32:46.920 And maybe the natural absurdity of some of the things 1656 01:32:46.920 --> 01:32:50.439 that were going on, both in front and behind the scenes, 1657 01:32:50.960 --> 01:32:55.079 ratcheted up my natural sense of the absurd. Because I am, 1658 01:32:55.359 --> 01:33:01.159 after all, the child at Monty Python. I see the 1659 01:33:01.199 --> 01:33:06.319 absurdity of a lot of human behavior. But there are 1660 01:33:06.439 --> 01:33:09.640 strange shifts of tone in the film. There are some 1661 01:33:09.760 --> 01:33:14.840 extreme cruelty and yet there's some rye chuckles. Some people 1662 01:33:14.920 --> 01:33:21.600 find that they're they're strange bedfellows, But it's an interesting 1663 01:33:21.880 --> 01:33:26.439 sort of smorgasbord, of which maybe some items are a 1664 01:33:26.439 --> 01:33:29.640 little too bitter. Think of it that way, that that 1665 01:33:29.840 --> 01:33:36.920 Extrajlipanio in the burning of the inmate sequence harsh. But 1666 01:33:37.039 --> 01:33:39.279 on the other hand, I thought, every now and again 1667 01:33:39.319 --> 01:33:42.479 I have to hit the political message, and there's another 1668 01:33:42.600 --> 01:33:48.600 side that creeps into my films. Roger Corman was very smart. 1669 01:33:48.640 --> 01:33:52.760 He put political messages into exploitation pictures. The Wild in 1670 01:33:52.840 --> 01:33:57.399 the Streets a really interesting idea that he got across 1671 01:33:57.640 --> 01:34:02.600 cleverly and drew a bigger audience by doing so, and 1672 01:34:02.680 --> 01:34:06.119 it had some interesting, thought provoking ideas in it that 1673 01:34:06.640 --> 01:34:10.079 are still worth thinking about. Today. It's amazing how some 1674 01:34:10.119 --> 01:34:13.960 things may come true. Look at Network, one of the 1675 01:34:13.960 --> 01:34:18.399 great films of all time. It's all coming true anyway. 1676 01:34:18.880 --> 01:34:23.520 The beating up of the inmate on the break ground, 1677 01:34:24.239 --> 01:34:28.399 coupled with the right wing mantra readings obredience as workers 1678 01:34:28.439 --> 01:34:31.880 of life are part of work, consumed silent die that 1679 01:34:32.079 --> 01:34:37.239 needed to be brutal and yet sardonic. I wasn't able 1680 01:34:37.279 --> 01:34:41.600 to bring a sardonic quality to the Death of the 1681 01:34:41.720 --> 01:34:44.880 Young Kid. I just went for the brutality of it 1682 01:34:44.960 --> 01:34:49.239 and it sits strangely at that point. But by now 1683 01:34:49.399 --> 01:34:52.279 you probably know this film is bizarre. It's going in 1684 01:34:52.399 --> 01:34:56.119 strange directions. I haven't seen anything quite like this before. 1685 01:34:56.720 --> 01:34:59.119 I'm going to keep watching. I may not like it 1686 01:35:00.159 --> 01:35:03.680 talk about it, but it had that kind of response. 1687 01:35:04.039 --> 01:35:07.760 Critics damned it. In England, it opened to queues around 1688 01:35:07.800 --> 01:35:11.359 the block. Somehow the word had spread in four minutes. 1689 01:35:11.399 --> 01:35:13.199 It would have been cut out, but it has a 1690 01:35:13.319 --> 01:35:18.359 residual slug in the guts, an effect even with the 1691 01:35:18.399 --> 01:35:23.399 British sensor cuts. Now, the total version that is available 1692 01:35:23.439 --> 01:35:28.520 on Blu ray seems almost tame by today's standards, where 1693 01:35:29.399 --> 01:35:33.239 gizzards and kidneys are being flung in your face on Netflix. 1694 01:35:34.039 --> 01:35:38.439 There's no dismemberment that we haven't tried yet with the 1695 01:35:38.479 --> 01:35:41.960 aid of digital effects. What new part can we cut off? 1696 01:35:43.319 --> 01:35:47.720 The boys as a good example of political satire being 1697 01:35:47.840 --> 01:35:53.359 taken two extremes, we're using sex and violence, using basically 1698 01:35:53.399 --> 01:35:58.960 all the forbidden fruits, getting your eyeballs to watch the extremes, 1699 01:35:59.199 --> 01:36:04.279 and doing an interesting portrait of a surreal portrait of front. 1700 01:36:05.479 --> 01:36:07.600 Parts of it make me WinCE because I could have 1701 01:36:07.680 --> 01:36:11.319 done it better, but I'm proud of it overall, for 1702 01:36:11.600 --> 01:36:16.199 somehow getting through it, somehow turning a script that had 1703 01:36:16.239 --> 01:36:21.239 been reduced to seventy two pages and a shooting schedule 1704 01:36:21.840 --> 01:36:25.359 that I was told to do in thirty days got 1705 01:36:25.479 --> 01:36:31.760 done in twenty eight and just they were going to 1706 01:36:31.880 --> 01:36:35.239 cut me off, and I managed to do those opening flashbacks. 1707 01:36:35.279 --> 01:36:39.439 It says that gave the reason for the character's capture, 1708 01:36:39.800 --> 01:36:43.720 which had been originally part of a ten minute, big 1709 01:36:43.840 --> 01:36:47.079 action scene. I managed to get that done in a 1710 01:36:47.199 --> 01:36:50.960 jewelry shop and a back shed, with me bashing Steve 1711 01:36:51.079 --> 01:36:54.800 Rail's back over the head. That Steves was a really 1712 01:36:54.920 --> 01:36:58.680 nice guy. He hated what had happened in the movie. 1713 01:36:58.720 --> 01:37:02.840 He hated out the budget cut, but he got with 1714 01:37:02.960 --> 01:37:06.600 the program. He was never difficult and he is a 1715 01:37:06.680 --> 01:37:10.000 good actor. And I wish I'd had the opportunity to 1716 01:37:10.800 --> 01:37:13.319 use what he had and what you could see in 1717 01:37:13.439 --> 01:37:16.880 all his early work. Look at him in The Stuntman 1718 01:37:17.760 --> 01:37:23.640 and even some of his ex files portrayal something naturally terrifying. 1719 01:37:24.279 --> 01:37:29.920 But so Steve was great that the cast was uniformly good. 1720 01:37:31.039 --> 01:37:35.000 The cast was basically given to me, and I think 1721 01:37:35.079 --> 01:37:38.239 I lucked out in a lot of areas. Orianna Pinoso 1722 01:37:38.720 --> 01:37:43.079 is great, beaten to death. Roger Ward, the Guard from Hell, 1723 01:37:43.920 --> 01:37:46.760 what a guy. I love him. We remain in contact, 1724 01:37:47.359 --> 01:37:50.439 and he's a great guy. And he was in my 1725 01:37:50.640 --> 01:37:55.760 very first film, The Stuntman, along with Grant Page. Wilst 1726 01:37:55.840 --> 01:37:59.119 Grant now but Roger, I hope you'll stick around a 1727 01:37:59.199 --> 01:38:03.800 bit longer. But yeah, so I've had Roger and six pictures. 1728 01:38:04.039 --> 01:38:07.520 Gus Mercurio, wonderful guy. Used to do trailer narrations for 1729 01:38:07.680 --> 01:38:11.640 me too, and he does the trailer narration for Turkey Shoot, 1730 01:38:12.159 --> 01:38:15.359 which is I think one of my fun trailers that 1731 01:38:15.560 --> 01:38:18.479 still stands up today, along with Once Upon a Time 1732 01:38:18.560 --> 01:38:23.159 in the West. I think my trailer for the Vampire 1733 01:38:23.239 --> 01:38:24.720 Lovers as a hoot Lahola. 1734 01:38:25.960 --> 01:38:28.239 Was it shot under the title Turkey Shoe because there 1735 01:38:28.239 --> 01:38:30.039 are so many titles to it that I've seen over 1736 01:38:30.079 --> 01:38:30.479 the years. 1737 01:38:31.800 --> 01:38:37.479 Yes, it was a script written by three rations that 1738 01:38:37.640 --> 01:38:41.439 had been optioned by John Daly of Mdale. It was 1739 01:38:41.520 --> 01:38:45.479 called Turkey Shoot You. Was set in the nineteenth thirties 1740 01:38:46.079 --> 01:38:50.159 where in a Deep South I was a fugitive from 1741 01:38:50.199 --> 01:38:54.159 a chain gang, cool hand loop kind of thing common 1742 01:38:54.279 --> 01:38:58.840 Dad and some of the local gentry get together, deside 1743 01:38:58.880 --> 01:39:02.680 to have a little hunt. Prisoners are expendable and release 1744 01:39:02.760 --> 01:39:06.079 a few out of the swamps, et cetera. They had 1745 01:39:06.159 --> 01:39:11.239 things including balls and chains like chain gang things, and 1746 01:39:11.720 --> 01:39:16.880 somebody eventually get sucked into a quicksand ball and chain. 1747 01:39:17.199 --> 01:39:20.960 I used the ball and chain and the fire the 1748 01:39:21.039 --> 01:39:24.439 death of a kid, but that was the only thing 1749 01:39:24.479 --> 01:39:26.760 I lifted from that. But as you can see, it 1750 01:39:26.880 --> 01:39:30.520 was a period piece that we were to shoot in Australia, 1751 01:39:30.800 --> 01:39:35.520 American period piece and had to qualify for Australian PAX 1752 01:39:36.079 --> 01:39:42.640 subsidies by being an Australian film. There was so I 1753 01:39:42.680 --> 01:39:46.399 thought kick it into the future, the sort of authoritarian 1754 01:39:46.600 --> 01:39:52.439 corporate future, and make the prisoners political dissidents of let's 1755 01:39:52.439 --> 01:39:57.079 say the English language version of Soviet Russia, and this 1756 01:39:57.239 --> 01:40:01.239 is the Gulag, and then think you could pass this 1757 01:40:01.479 --> 01:40:05.399 off as an Australian production because it's in the future, 1758 01:40:06.680 --> 01:40:10.640 and because people speak, there are Americans, there are Brits, 1759 01:40:10.880 --> 01:40:16.359 they're Olivia Hussey was allowed to qualify. Steve Railsback was 1760 01:40:16.359 --> 01:40:19.760 allowed to qualify. Michael Craig had become he was a 1761 01:40:19.800 --> 01:40:22.760 British I had had some starring roles in British films 1762 01:40:23.079 --> 01:40:28.279 for many years, and he had moved to Australia qualified 1763 01:40:28.560 --> 01:40:33.760 as an Australian resident. And so I think Michael Petrovitch, 1764 01:40:33.840 --> 01:40:37.720 who had done a Hammer Horror, and the rest of 1765 01:40:37.800 --> 01:40:42.760 the cast, Carmen Duncan, big TV star, the Destona Big 1766 01:40:43.079 --> 01:40:46.880 TV star, and Gus Mercurio was a TV star as 1767 01:40:46.960 --> 01:40:50.840 well through Cash and Company at Tandara he toasted wrestling 1768 01:40:52.119 --> 01:40:56.039 Australian televisional Bot and so Graham Kennedy was going to 1769 01:40:56.039 --> 01:40:59.279 be the Mad helicopter pilot and one of the hunters, 1770 01:41:00.039 --> 01:41:03.239 and he was going to be hunting Bill Young, whom 1771 01:41:03.319 --> 01:41:06.039 I had already had in hospitals Don't burn Down, and 1772 01:41:06.159 --> 01:41:10.880 I waded him for being so good that film by 1773 01:41:11.279 --> 01:41:13.439 having him riddled with arrows and run over by a 1774 01:41:13.560 --> 01:41:18.199 truck in a Turkey shoot. Anyway, that I had to 1775 01:41:18.279 --> 01:41:22.079 do that because I couldn't have Grayam Kennedy chase him 1776 01:41:22.119 --> 01:41:27.680 with a helicopter firing rockets and bursts of machine gun 1777 01:41:27.800 --> 01:41:31.720 fire all over the jungle, which would have been quite spectacular, 1778 01:41:32.359 --> 01:41:36.760 but cost money. So I was told, get rid of 1779 01:41:36.840 --> 01:41:41.000 that character. He wants fifty dollars. That's far too much money. 1780 01:41:41.560 --> 01:41:44.119 I know he's a big star of television, but forget that. 1781 01:41:44.840 --> 01:41:50.840 Get some give his function to other hunters. Oh okay, 1782 01:41:51.399 --> 01:41:55.840 so when you're on a slippery slope, do the pragmatic thing. 1783 01:41:56.560 --> 01:42:04.199 That's how Bill Young got hunted. Yeah, Thatcher and and commonductor. 1784 01:42:04.359 --> 01:42:08.960 But I think the cast was overall good. But I 1785 01:42:09.119 --> 01:42:14.920 pitched the plane to be right because it's a right piece, 1786 01:42:15.880 --> 01:42:17.960 you know. I think people get with the fun of 1787 01:42:18.000 --> 01:42:22.319 it and it takes the curse of some of the violence. 1788 01:42:23.600 --> 01:42:26.760 Anyway, I grew up in the States, so I'm aware 1789 01:42:26.760 --> 01:42:29.119 of what was going on in eighty two here in 1790 01:42:29.319 --> 01:42:31.039 the US, as well as a little bit of what 1791 01:42:31.239 --> 01:42:34.560 was happening in the UK. And you've got the character Thatcher, 1792 01:42:35.439 --> 01:42:38.399 what was going on in Australian politics at the same time. 1793 01:42:38.520 --> 01:42:41.359 Was it that also leaning more towards the right or 1794 01:42:41.760 --> 01:42:44.680 embracing the right like we were doing here in the States. 1795 01:42:44.720 --> 01:42:50.000 In the UK, No, I think we were really more 1796 01:42:50.079 --> 01:42:55.039 embracing the left through Bob Hawk, i'll be, former trade 1797 01:42:55.119 --> 01:42:59.720 union leader who then became Prime Minister, and he didn't 1798 01:42:59.720 --> 01:43:04.960 give about a number of useful social reforms. The Labor 1799 01:43:05.000 --> 01:43:09.960 government that had briefly made some difference in the early 1800 01:43:10.119 --> 01:43:14.760 seventies was thrown out in seventy five and took till 1801 01:43:15.399 --> 01:43:20.039 eighty three for labor to get in. Anyway, it was 1802 01:43:20.359 --> 01:43:24.039 there was part of the political thinking in the film, 1803 01:43:24.119 --> 01:43:28.039 and I developed it to to rewrite with two new 1804 01:43:28.159 --> 01:43:32.399 American writers. I never had anything to do with the 1805 01:43:32.479 --> 01:43:35.880 original three writers because they wanted money to work, and 1806 01:43:36.000 --> 01:43:38.720 I got two new writers who wanted less money, let's say, 1807 01:43:39.119 --> 01:43:44.199 and they were well enough paid. But I was developing 1808 01:43:44.279 --> 01:43:51.680 it in ninety eighty and into eighty one, and I 1809 01:43:51.880 --> 01:43:56.880 was concerned about Reagan or Ronald Raygun as he was 1810 01:43:56.960 --> 01:44:01.560 sometimes known in Australia, which was the first strike target 1811 01:44:02.079 --> 01:44:07.039 of Soviet Russia that Kine Gap in South Australia and 1812 01:44:07.159 --> 01:44:13.000 this by network. There Australia does feel vulnerable. Britain must 1813 01:44:13.039 --> 01:44:16.840 feel very vulnerable, particularly currently. I would say, yeah, there 1814 01:44:17.000 --> 01:44:21.520 was a it's part of the swing to the left 1815 01:44:22.239 --> 01:44:27.199 by nineteen eighty eighty one eighty two, the strong body 1816 01:44:27.279 --> 01:44:32.840 of opinion in Australia that possibly in danger of starting 1817 01:44:33.239 --> 01:44:37.760 the World War. There's bellicose attitude that Reagan seemed to 1818 01:44:37.800 --> 01:44:44.119 be displayed. Now with retrospect, I can see why Reagan 1819 01:44:44.199 --> 01:44:48.800 took that posture and it worked to out distanced Soviet 1820 01:44:48.920 --> 01:44:53.000 Union economically and made them come to terms effectively. That 1821 01:44:53.119 --> 01:45:02.359 has now been Yeah, at first because Russian redemptism. But 1822 01:45:03.720 --> 01:45:08.600 we must not get sidetracked into politics. But there again, 1823 01:45:08.640 --> 01:45:11.399 I see, movies are full of so many issues. But 1824 01:45:11.520 --> 01:45:14.800 anyway back to this one. What we wanted to get 1825 01:45:14.840 --> 01:45:17.840 across in the script is what would happen if a 1826 01:45:18.960 --> 01:45:25.199 consumer society, capitalist society got taken over by an authoritarian 1827 01:45:25.359 --> 01:45:28.840 regime that felt that harsh measures were necessary to bring 1828 01:45:29.000 --> 01:45:35.119 society under control after some period of dislocation. See, and 1829 01:45:36.039 --> 01:45:39.399 extreme measures are necessary and just got to get the 1830 01:45:39.760 --> 01:45:44.359 distance re educated in a milk and form, and inevitably, 1831 01:45:44.399 --> 01:45:52.520 in any authoritarian system, corruption will result in atrocity, make 1832 01:45:52.560 --> 01:45:56.279 the whole movie, set it in Russia and say, yeah, 1833 01:45:56.359 --> 01:45:59.399 I totally believe that. What if you said it here? 1834 01:45:59.680 --> 01:46:04.640 See could this happen here? But yeah, I think there's 1835 01:46:04.640 --> 01:46:07.960 a germ of a thought there. It caught on people 1836 01:46:08.439 --> 01:46:13.840 to see black hearted, fancy dress, let's say anyway, so 1837 01:46:13.960 --> 01:46:18.039 that that was the thinking behind it. But also I thought, 1838 01:46:18.399 --> 01:46:23.680 let's make a fast paced, knockdown, drag out, tough action 1839 01:46:23.920 --> 01:46:28.800 picture with a risense of humor, and that will entertain 1840 01:46:28.880 --> 01:46:32.720 them for ninety four minutes. And I think it takes 1841 01:46:32.760 --> 01:46:35.680 a lot to entertain people for two hours. Down something 1842 01:46:35.720 --> 01:46:39.119 about that three act structure in ninety minutes? An what 1843 01:46:39.279 --> 01:46:39.760 can you say? 1844 01:46:41.680 --> 01:46:43.960 Tell me about the remake and tell me about how 1845 01:46:44.000 --> 01:46:44.560 that happened. 1846 01:46:45.600 --> 01:46:50.720 Yes, I what did I have to do with the remake? 1847 01:46:51.680 --> 01:46:56.760 I was never asked to remake it perhaps should have been, 1848 01:46:57.680 --> 01:47:03.000 And when I heard it was happening, I didn't have 1849 01:47:03.039 --> 01:47:08.079 any rights to it. Of course I was paid out eventually. 1850 01:47:09.039 --> 01:47:13.680 It took a legal letter, but I was paid, but 1851 01:47:14.680 --> 01:47:17.479 I was not sent a script. But then eventually I 1852 01:47:17.720 --> 01:47:20.319 was asked, can I please put your name on it 1853 01:47:21.039 --> 01:47:26.640 as executive producer? And we have so little money maybe 1854 01:47:26.680 --> 01:47:31.119 I'll give you a thousand dollars or a really nice 1855 01:47:31.159 --> 01:47:36.640 bottle of wine. Neither has ever arrived. I did eventually 1856 01:47:37.079 --> 01:47:41.119 see it. I heard lots of stories about its difficulties 1857 01:47:41.159 --> 01:47:44.039 in post production, and I think the post House did 1858 01:47:44.079 --> 01:47:47.920 a magnificent job. I believe I did see it, and 1859 01:47:50.039 --> 01:47:53.880 I have great sympathy for the director who had to 1860 01:47:53.960 --> 01:47:58.800 do it in fifteen days, fifteen ten hour days with 1861 01:47:59.399 --> 01:48:02.600 very slender resources. So I take my hat off to 1862 01:48:02.760 --> 01:48:08.399 him for effort. And I think that the newscasters in 1863 01:48:08.960 --> 01:48:15.640 the satirical newscasters are excellent, but the leading man is charmless. 1864 01:48:16.520 --> 01:48:20.199 Now you could say that Jimmy Woe knew in man 1865 01:48:20.279 --> 01:48:24.239 from Hong Kong is charmless. He just punches people. You 1866 01:48:24.359 --> 01:48:27.880 could say that. I mean, one critic called him the 1867 01:48:28.079 --> 01:48:33.359 coln Fura. Anyway, many an action hero is charmless. But 1868 01:48:33.439 --> 01:48:37.199 I'm traded this guy. I loved seeing Roger Ward, but 1869 01:48:37.279 --> 01:48:40.399 I wished he was there for longer. Could be not anyway, 1870 01:48:40.439 --> 01:48:45.159 but he was a waiter, homagely Richard. I just I 1871 01:48:45.319 --> 01:48:49.439 felt that I had maybe he would have if I 1872 01:48:49.520 --> 01:48:52.640 had been involved. Maybe they could have found a bit 1873 01:48:52.720 --> 01:48:56.479 more money to make it with making films is very 1874 01:48:56.600 --> 01:49:01.760 odd and making for no money particularly, and so I 1875 01:49:01.920 --> 01:49:06.880 sympathize with the director there, and it was a noble 1876 01:49:06.960 --> 01:49:10.399 effort if it was to be done, and I wouldn't 1877 01:49:10.399 --> 01:49:13.199 have done it unless I felt I could bring it off. 1878 01:49:14.119 --> 01:49:16.920 And maybe I could have been shown what there was 1879 01:49:17.039 --> 01:49:20.520 and I would have said no, but I was not 1880 01:49:20.640 --> 01:49:25.159 given that opportunity, and then ultimately got nothing out of 1881 01:49:25.199 --> 01:49:32.119 it except well, such disappointment. I've never spoken about it publicly, 1882 01:49:32.960 --> 01:49:36.600 but I don't have to say, oh, I actually feel Look, 1883 01:49:36.880 --> 01:49:41.279 that's showbuss. I don't feel hard done by. I just 1884 01:49:41.399 --> 01:49:44.760 feel I would have handled it differently if I'd been 1885 01:49:44.840 --> 01:49:48.239 the man in charge. But that's just me. I don't 1886 01:49:48.319 --> 01:49:51.680 have too many unhappy, bleeding bodies behind me, I believe, 1887 01:49:53.199 --> 01:50:00.760 But I'm not bleeding. I'm very happy. And once again 1888 01:50:00.880 --> 01:50:05.279 Turkey Shoot gets screened in a drive in in Oregon. 1889 01:50:07.279 --> 01:50:11.039 Really yeah, good to see it like that and see 1890 01:50:11.039 --> 01:50:13.399 it on the drive for a long time. 1891 01:50:14.720 --> 01:50:17.640 The thing that always gets me with this movie is 1892 01:50:17.920 --> 01:50:21.840 the mutant, just the appearance of what some people would 1893 01:50:21.840 --> 01:50:24.000 call the wolfman when he shows up, and I was 1894 01:50:24.079 --> 01:50:25.640 just curious, if you can tell me a little bit 1895 01:50:25.680 --> 01:50:26.159 more about that. 1896 01:50:27.279 --> 01:50:33.800 I yes. Originally the mutant was written to have like 1897 01:50:33.920 --> 01:50:39.800 a semi prosthetic arm that it could be so he'd 1898 01:50:39.800 --> 01:50:44.640 obviously been mechanically altered in some way he was going 1899 01:50:44.720 --> 01:50:47.680 to be. He was written to be a sort of 1900 01:50:48.680 --> 01:50:55.479 challenged to the prosthetic makeup department. Bob mccarrum excellent makeup 1901 01:50:55.600 --> 01:50:59.880 artists who were distinguished a number of films, both in 1902 01:51:00.560 --> 01:51:04.319 Straight Out of New Zealand and elsewhere. He came up 1903 01:51:04.359 --> 01:51:08.600 with the makeup effects, and look how well he created 1904 01:51:09.079 --> 01:51:14.600 thatcher's head blowing off and so forth. He came to 1905 01:51:14.680 --> 01:51:17.560 me and said, the Bud, so much of my budget's 1906 01:51:17.600 --> 01:51:21.319 been cut. I can't do what I had in mind. Really, 1907 01:51:21.399 --> 01:51:24.359 all I can do is give you some strange eyes. 1908 01:51:26.000 --> 01:51:30.479 There's a lot of hair. So we put together what 1909 01:51:30.640 --> 01:51:34.680 we could change. The scriptures, say found him in a 1910 01:51:35.000 --> 01:51:39.119 circus and so forth. So at one point he'd been 1911 01:51:39.279 --> 01:51:46.399 a product of genetic engineering anyway, and the teeth obviously 1912 01:51:46.479 --> 01:51:51.000 it was added, and so I thought, we're just going 1913 01:51:51.039 --> 01:51:53.600 to have to go with it, and maybe the laughs 1914 01:51:53.680 --> 01:51:57.600 will compensate. We had a special section of the tree 1915 01:51:57.720 --> 01:52:00.640 built that we could drop him up again, and of 1916 01:52:00.680 --> 01:52:03.520 course we built the what we call the traveling pants, 1917 01:52:04.159 --> 01:52:08.640 which we filled with leftovers of the lunch we had 1918 01:52:08.760 --> 01:52:11.479 that day. We had a lot of steak and sausages, 1919 01:52:12.399 --> 01:52:16.600 and there were leftovers, and so we just created a 1920 01:52:16.800 --> 01:52:21.760 layer with some ketch up, some stage blood and sausage 1921 01:52:21.880 --> 01:52:27.920 and awful et cetera to be his bottom half for 1922 01:52:28.039 --> 01:52:31.199 that insert shot. And we got piano wire so we 1923 01:52:31.279 --> 01:52:34.359 could jerk it around a little bit. I know, I'm 1924 01:52:34.399 --> 01:52:38.199 a sick puppy. It just seemed the logical touch of 1925 01:52:38.279 --> 01:52:41.960 absurdity to add to a scene in which Petrovitch had 1926 01:52:42.079 --> 01:52:48.079 fired a rocket launcher. Best oh shit, he says, And anyway, 1927 01:52:48.159 --> 01:52:51.079 I just went with the inherent absurdity of the scene. 1928 01:52:51.439 --> 01:52:55.800 Ran you're talking to a man who loved the Evil 1929 01:52:55.880 --> 01:52:56.319 Dead too. 1930 01:52:57.199 --> 01:52:58.720 I would love to know a little bit about some 1931 01:52:58.800 --> 01:53:01.960 of your writing projects, because I know in twenty twenty two, 1932 01:53:02.560 --> 01:53:04.680 if you're a fan of Brian Trenchard Smith, you are 1933 01:53:04.960 --> 01:53:07.720 in for a treat, because there was both The Adventures 1934 01:53:07.960 --> 01:53:10.600 in the B Movie trade and then I want to 1935 01:53:10.680 --> 01:53:13.399 say that Alice through the Multiverse came out that same 1936 01:53:13.479 --> 01:53:14.920 summer as well. Is that correct? 1937 01:53:15.680 --> 01:53:19.079 It came out before b B before Okay? Ah, right, 1938 01:53:19.720 --> 01:53:25.159 Alice through the Multiverse is a time tripping, paramorbal female 1939 01:53:25.319 --> 01:53:30.680 driven adventure with the twenty year old history student whose 1940 01:53:31.720 --> 01:53:40.079 psychological issues combined with maybe paramormal activity to cause her 1941 01:53:40.560 --> 01:53:47.840 to bounce back and forth between her fifty century ancestor, 1942 01:53:48.399 --> 01:53:54.960 who was the daughter of a rural executioner, and her 1943 01:53:55.239 --> 01:54:02.239 present day self, a history student with mental health problems 1944 01:54:03.159 --> 01:54:10.640 that is somehow caught up in an international assassination plot 1945 01:54:11.359 --> 01:54:17.520 to which she was designated to be the patsy. It's 1946 01:54:17.680 --> 01:54:23.239 conspiracy Fever Dream, It's Game of Thrones meets Jason Bourne 1947 01:54:25.119 --> 01:54:28.920 on Freaky Friday. It's intended to be a page turner 1948 01:54:29.600 --> 01:54:32.800 to make you wonder what's going to happen next to 1949 01:54:33.720 --> 01:54:39.640 and it has a sort of ecological message. So my 1950 01:54:39.760 --> 01:54:45.439 stuff occasionally I plant seeds with my personal messages, reject 1951 01:54:45.520 --> 01:54:51.079 authoritarian regimes, my turkey shoot and watch dead End, drive 1952 01:54:51.159 --> 01:54:58.439 in and beware of the post economic breakdown future and anyway, 1953 01:54:58.600 --> 01:55:02.520 so that there's a a promotion of econological themes and 1954 01:55:03.279 --> 01:55:07.199 a little no gretit to berg one character. There's all 1955 01:55:07.359 --> 01:55:10.640 that wrapped up in a nice genre cocktail. Alice through 1956 01:55:10.680 --> 01:55:14.439 the Multiverse Really have to Pay eighteen dollars to get 1957 01:55:14.479 --> 01:55:19.439 it as a paperback, but for some it's a rewarding read. 1958 01:55:19.560 --> 01:55:22.800 And I really always wanted it to be a movie 1959 01:55:23.039 --> 01:55:25.920 or to be a streaming series, and this girl's adventures 1960 01:55:26.319 --> 01:55:32.199 in both time zones will, I think be a really 1961 01:55:32.279 --> 01:55:38.279 interesting way to ventilate contemporary issues, feminist issues, issues of 1962 01:55:38.359 --> 01:55:44.319 toxic maxculinity, of political corruption, of the manipulation of media, 1963 01:55:44.439 --> 01:55:47.319 and all sorts of things which actually went on just 1964 01:55:47.439 --> 01:55:53.279 as much at the time of Alice the Executioner's daughter 1965 01:55:53.399 --> 01:55:59.479 in fifteen to fifty four and Jane, who is living today. Anyway, 1966 01:56:00.119 --> 01:56:04.039 intrigued readers have a go at Alice with the multi verse, 1967 01:56:04.079 --> 01:56:07.479 and maybe one of you is an aspiring film producer. 1968 01:56:07.560 --> 01:56:10.800 I'll actually bring it to the small screen. It's a 1969 01:56:10.880 --> 01:56:14.119 story that should I've mapped it out to be in 1970 01:56:14.359 --> 01:56:16.840 ten episodes. I've done a screenplay. I've mapped it out 1971 01:56:16.880 --> 01:56:20.359 in ten episodes, and it could go to a second 1972 01:56:20.439 --> 01:56:24.199 season obviously anyway, So yeah, I do write these things. 1973 01:56:24.359 --> 01:56:27.840 I've written my version of the true story of Richard 1974 01:56:27.880 --> 01:56:31.319 the Third, which is basically the case for defense in 1975 01:56:31.520 --> 01:56:35.319 the trial of Richard the Third for the murder of 1976 01:56:35.359 --> 01:56:38.560 the Princess of the Tower which he was not guilty, 1977 01:56:39.159 --> 01:56:43.239 and my screenplay and what I think could be adapted 1978 01:56:43.520 --> 01:56:48.920 out of it is like a four part dramatized documentary 1979 01:56:49.119 --> 01:56:53.960 series that proved his would I suppose to use the 1980 01:56:54.039 --> 01:56:58.760 Scottish term not proven whether you would ever get not guilty, 1981 01:56:59.560 --> 01:57:03.880 you might get not proven. But I think it's convincing 1982 01:57:04.000 --> 01:57:10.319 historical evidence that Richard didn't do it. More likely it 1983 01:57:10.520 --> 01:57:15.479 was Buckingham who had the request, with the commitment, with 1984 01:57:16.560 --> 01:57:20.640 the agreement of Himry Tudor, to whom it was the 1985 01:57:20.760 --> 01:57:26.159 most beneficial get those princes out of the way Lake Richard. Anyway, 1986 01:57:26.359 --> 01:57:30.560 that's one of my writing projects currently. I writing My 1987 01:57:30.720 --> 01:57:35.840 Father's War, which is non fiction and about my father's 1988 01:57:35.840 --> 01:57:41.279 Air Force career and trying to put what the greatest 1989 01:57:41.359 --> 01:57:46.800 generation did into perspective in the light of the fact 1990 01:57:46.840 --> 01:57:52.960 that they were certainly my British Britain was well basically 1991 01:57:53.039 --> 01:57:57.159 a beneficiary of colonialism. So now colonialism is a dirty 1992 01:57:57.239 --> 01:58:04.720 word and with some justification, but we shouldn't necessarily consider 1993 01:58:04.920 --> 01:58:10.199 that those that supported the British Empire necessarily were bad 1994 01:58:10.319 --> 01:58:13.239 people and they were just following the ideology they would 1995 01:58:13.359 --> 01:58:15.720 be taught. So I'm trying to put a balanced picture 1996 01:58:16.319 --> 01:58:23.319 of people who performed extraordinary. The greatest generation effectively saved 1997 01:58:23.359 --> 01:58:27.359 the world from fascism, and the greatest generation is needed 1998 01:58:27.399 --> 01:58:31.920 again anyway, So I'm writing about that as a in fact, 1999 01:58:32.479 --> 01:58:35.359 you can if it's on my website. It's a work 2000 01:58:35.399 --> 01:58:39.479 in progress, so I don't let any people know that, 2001 01:58:39.720 --> 01:58:43.640 but occasionally i'd let somebody know and if they want 2002 01:58:43.680 --> 01:58:47.279 to give me any feedback. I'm not sure what I 2003 01:58:47.359 --> 01:58:49.479 will eventually do it that. I guess I will publish it, 2004 01:58:50.359 --> 01:58:53.439 but it could also be a documentary anyway, if you 2005 01:58:53.520 --> 01:58:57.279 care to, you can access it through my website. It's 2006 01:58:57.760 --> 01:59:04.039 latest my father's waarly. I'm still dealing with nineteen fifty 2007 01:59:04.079 --> 01:59:06.920 two to nineteen fifty five, and then I need to 2008 01:59:07.000 --> 01:59:11.159 do a conclusion and I need more research as to 2009 01:59:11.239 --> 01:59:16.159 my father's involvement in the sex at that time, and 2010 01:59:16.880 --> 01:59:21.960 which obviously there is very at all information available, but 2011 01:59:22.399 --> 01:59:25.239 I know what he told me, and I'm trying to 2012 01:59:25.279 --> 01:59:29.319 get a bit more documentation. Anyway. That's all work in progress, 2013 01:59:30.279 --> 01:59:33.920 but I think that's possibly all that I can do 2014 01:59:34.199 --> 01:59:37.039 now at seventy eight. They're not going to allow me 2015 01:59:37.760 --> 01:59:42.000 fifty man crew again. Much. They're much fun than that 2016 01:59:42.079 --> 01:59:47.720 would be. I could shoot several horror movies on my property. 2017 01:59:48.239 --> 01:59:52.119 Every angle is a jabman. Okay, lovely to talk to you. 2018 01:59:53.119 --> 01:59:56.479 Happy to talk to you another time and let me 2019 01:59:56.600 --> 01:59:57.279 know how it goes. 2020 02:00:00.439 --> 02:00:08.279 I studied your file, rig I can make it all 2021 02:00:08.319 --> 02:00:13.840 go away. Sleep now when you wake. All you gotta 2022 02:00:13.880 --> 02:00:21.159 do is play Turkey shoots the game and you were 2023 02:00:21.239 --> 02:00:21.720 the turkey. 2024 02:00:23.159 --> 02:00:24.720 Just who is our new turkey? 2025 02:00:25.159 --> 02:00:29.640 He's Rick Tyler, just freest former Navy seal Courk Marshalls 2026 02:00:29.680 --> 02:00:34.760 three years ago for massacring women and children Navy Seals 2027 02:00:34.840 --> 02:00:36.680 Marine for pussy a Hurrah. 2028 02:00:40.439 --> 02:00:42.920 The game has three levels, and hidden in each level 2029 02:00:43.119 --> 02:00:47.119 is this box. Open all three boxes you win your freedom, 2030 02:00:47.720 --> 02:00:52.520 run out of time, and you're eliminated. Eliminated sounds a 2031 02:00:52.560 --> 02:00:54.760 lot nicer than dead, but that's what we're talking about. 2032 02:00:56.359 --> 02:01:00.319 Level one has four shooters, but double that amount introduced 2033 02:01:00.439 --> 02:01:01.000 each level. 2034 02:01:01.439 --> 02:01:05.000 Their job is to hunt and kill you. Of course, 2035 02:01:05.399 --> 02:01:06.159 you can return the. 2036 02:01:06.199 --> 02:01:15.039 Favor all you see it. 2037 02:01:21.760 --> 02:01:23.239 I can tell you things you don't remember. 2038 02:01:24.199 --> 02:01:27.479 You can't kill those kids, your friend. 2039 02:01:29.399 --> 02:01:32.439 It is imperative to the security of this nation that 2040 02:01:32.600 --> 02:01:34.079 Rick Tyler will be silent. 2041 02:01:34.640 --> 02:01:38.520 Yes, sir, you are game changing. Rick, the audience love you. 2042 02:01:39.439 --> 02:01:41.960 You realize he's planned this whole thing. He wants me 2043 02:01:42.039 --> 02:01:54.159 to get to it. Hold on, I'll see you on 2044 02:01:54.199 --> 02:01:54.800 the next level. 2045 02:02:01.119 --> 02:02:01.840 It's game. 2046 02:02:10.319 --> 02:02:12.720 All right, We're back and we were talking about Turkey Shoot. 2047 02:02:12.800 --> 02:02:16.279 And as I always say, any good movie deserves a 2048 02:02:16.399 --> 02:02:21.600 really bad remake, let's talk about Elimination Game aka Turkey 2049 02:02:21.640 --> 02:02:28.760 Shoot aka most Extreme Elimination Challenge. It is possibly one 2050 02:02:29.000 --> 02:02:34.319 of the poorest directed, edited, acted, and shot films that 2051 02:02:34.439 --> 02:02:38.199 I've seen in a long damn time. Though I know Andrew, 2052 02:02:38.239 --> 02:02:41.039 you messaged me off show and told me how much 2053 02:02:41.079 --> 02:02:43.720 you enjoyed watching this, And you know I don't blame you. 2054 02:02:43.960 --> 02:02:46.319 I'm not going to cast dispersions on your taste level here. 2055 02:02:47.359 --> 02:02:51.880 Yes, as I refer to a Turkey Shit, really that 2056 02:02:52.319 --> 02:02:56.600 two thousand and there's very few times Mic where I 2057 02:02:56.680 --> 02:02:59.399 think ill of you, but making me waste an hour 2058 02:02:59.520 --> 02:03:01.479 of my heart, I'm never going to get back in 2059 02:03:01.600 --> 02:03:06.600 my life watching the two thousand and fourteen version of 2060 02:03:07.399 --> 02:03:12.079 Turkey Shoot or Turkey Shit is one of them, absolutely 2061 02:03:12.159 --> 02:03:12.520 one of them. 2062 02:03:13.199 --> 02:03:14.439 And then did you watch this movie? 2063 02:03:15.399 --> 02:03:18.000 I feel bad now because you made you didn't May 2064 02:03:18.079 --> 02:03:20.520 I guess you didn't make you were like Andrew, I 2065 02:03:20.680 --> 02:03:25.079 have a mutant wolf man and a dandy. It's like 2066 02:03:25.199 --> 02:03:27.960 a dance that will come for you if you don't 2067 02:03:27.960 --> 02:03:32.119 watch this. I couldn't do it. I'm sorry. I like 2068 02:03:32.720 --> 02:03:35.560 you and I've potted together for how many years now 2069 02:03:36.640 --> 02:03:41.720 fifty out at the weird Eyelanders. But I couldn't do it. 2070 02:03:42.279 --> 02:03:45.039 I'm sorry. I couldn't. I couldn't do it. It's like 2071 02:03:45.199 --> 02:03:49.079 it's like when it was like when Chris or beloved Christatue. 2072 02:03:49.239 --> 02:03:52.319 Our good friend asked me if I wanted to watch 2073 02:03:52.399 --> 02:03:56.119 the Indian like the Bollywood version of Forrest Come. I 2074 02:03:56.159 --> 02:03:59.399 couldn't do it. I just couldn't do it. I have limits, 2075 02:04:00.000 --> 02:04:03.239 and that was remaking this film. And then just what 2076 02:04:03.439 --> 02:04:06.439 I saw was it. I did entertain the idea of 2077 02:04:06.560 --> 02:04:10.920 doing it. Okay, I'm gonna Woosie, but I farly I 2078 02:04:11.000 --> 02:04:11.319 am good. 2079 02:04:11.359 --> 02:04:13.720 But what you sign hither is that there's some things 2080 02:04:13.800 --> 02:04:15.520 you won't do, oh one. 2081 02:04:16.399 --> 02:04:19.560 One hundred percent. I don't have many. I'dn't have many, 2082 02:04:19.640 --> 02:04:22.880 love it's but this, I just this was one of them. 2083 02:04:22.960 --> 02:04:27.039 And also why that's the thing when you see a 2084 02:04:27.119 --> 02:04:28.720 shitty remake, Why. 2085 02:04:29.640 --> 02:04:33.880 And Apparently the makers of this were really big fans 2086 02:04:33.960 --> 02:04:36.520 of the original because they got back some of the 2087 02:04:36.760 --> 02:04:40.239 actors from the original, including Roger Ward. But even the 2088 02:04:40.319 --> 02:04:42.560 woman that played Jennifer's back in it. I think she's 2089 02:04:42.640 --> 02:04:44.239 like the President or something. 2090 02:04:45.199 --> 02:04:48.119 The President. She plays the President, President Shila Faw. 2091 02:04:48.920 --> 02:04:51.159 Yeah, just they got her, put her in front of 2092 02:04:51.199 --> 02:04:55.079 a green screen and just said go nuts. Because this 2093 02:04:55.279 --> 02:04:59.319 movie is so poorly directed. I just want to talk 2094 02:04:59.319 --> 02:05:02.479 about one scene, one scene in particular. I went back 2095 02:05:02.520 --> 02:05:05.159 and I rewatched it today just to make sure that 2096 02:05:05.279 --> 02:05:08.279 I wasn't seeing things, and it was really about what 2097 02:05:08.439 --> 02:05:11.880 I wasn't seeing. There's a moment in the film where 2098 02:05:12.079 --> 02:05:15.319 Dominic Purcell, who plays our main character, and it's just 2099 02:05:15.479 --> 02:05:19.119 the one character. There's not three characters going on here 2100 02:05:19.560 --> 02:05:21.800 or five. Even when it comes to the Turkey shoot. 2101 02:05:22.680 --> 02:05:27.479 He is in the shower. Yay, you know, very buff 2102 02:05:27.600 --> 02:05:32.079 man looks fantastic. Dominic Purcell is pretty handsome guy, terrific. 2103 02:05:32.279 --> 02:05:32.560 Great. 2104 02:05:32.960 --> 02:05:36.199 He's in the shower and he's looking straight ahead and 2105 02:05:36.319 --> 02:05:40.640 then cut to a guy who is it. The lighting 2106 02:05:40.840 --> 02:05:44.119 is the exact same, it's this blue light and he 2107 02:05:44.479 --> 02:05:48.600 is facing to the left, and then they cut back 2108 02:05:48.680 --> 02:05:52.239 to Dominic Purcell, and I'm like, is he looking at 2109 02:05:52.319 --> 02:05:54.399 this other guy? Where is this other guy? And then 2110 02:05:54.439 --> 02:05:56.159 they cut back to the other guy again and it 2111 02:05:56.239 --> 02:05:57.840 looks like he's got a knife in his hand, and 2112 02:05:57.880 --> 02:06:00.880 I'm just like, does he want to fuck Dominic Purcell? 2113 02:06:01.039 --> 02:06:03.279 Like are they in the shower together? Like what is 2114 02:06:03.359 --> 02:06:06.560 happening here? And they kept going back and forth between 2115 02:06:06.640 --> 02:06:11.199 these guys. Finally, finally they do a shot where you 2116 02:06:11.439 --> 02:06:15.000 realize that this guy is actually on the wall opposite 2117 02:06:15.159 --> 02:06:18.840 of the shower, like around the corner, waiting to sneak 2118 02:06:18.920 --> 02:06:22.239 in and kill Dominic Purcell, after they've had all of 2119 02:06:22.359 --> 02:06:26.399 these looks between them, because Purcell's staring straight ahead and 2120 02:06:26.399 --> 02:06:28.800 I'm just like, it looks like he's looking at this dude, 2121 02:06:28.840 --> 02:06:30.880 and it looks like the dude's looking at Purcell, and 2122 02:06:30.960 --> 02:06:32.439 I'm just like, Okay, are they going to fuck now 2123 02:06:32.560 --> 02:06:35.119 or what? And no, it's it's a kill rather than 2124 02:06:35.640 --> 02:06:38.039 a fuck with this, and I'm just like, did I 2125 02:06:38.159 --> 02:06:40.880 really just see that? Was that put together so poorly 2126 02:06:41.039 --> 02:06:42.960 that you think that these two characters are in the 2127 02:06:43.000 --> 02:06:46.399 same room when they're not. Yes, the answer is yes. 2128 02:06:47.039 --> 02:06:50.199 You get to see Roger Ward's head explode a few 2129 02:06:50.319 --> 02:06:54.319 times you get to see, God, it just looks so awful. 2130 02:06:55.119 --> 02:06:58.720 There's a gentleman who's from The Meg one of my 2131 02:06:58.800 --> 02:07:02.560 favorite films, who I thought he was fucking Kevin Sorbo 2132 02:07:02.760 --> 02:07:05.199 when I saw this the first time because he looked 2133 02:07:05.279 --> 02:07:11.560 so bad. And the movie is bizarre because first off, 2134 02:07:11.640 --> 02:07:16.199 it starts ripping off blatantly the Running Man, because all 2135 02:07:16.279 --> 02:07:19.239 of this stuff is being televised, which I think is 2136 02:07:19.279 --> 02:07:21.520 pretty funny because I want to say, there's even a 2137 02:07:21.600 --> 02:07:24.359 line about like how secret they want to keep stuff. Well, here, 2138 02:07:24.880 --> 02:07:27.399 Turkey Shoot is the big game show like The Running Man, 2139 02:07:27.840 --> 02:07:32.079 and then eventually Purcell escapes from the island or whatever, 2140 02:07:32.680 --> 02:07:35.159 and then it suddenly becomes the Milliams game, which we've 2141 02:07:35.239 --> 02:07:38.680 talked about actually on our Running Man episode, which is 2142 02:07:39.199 --> 02:07:41.479 hunting people inside of a city. It's kind of Tenth 2143 02:07:41.600 --> 02:07:45.039 Victim esque. But all of these movies, I'm saying, every 2144 02:07:45.159 --> 02:07:47.479 single one that I've talked about, is so much better 2145 02:07:47.560 --> 02:07:52.439 than Elimination Game, which just it looks fucking cheap. I mean, 2146 02:07:52.520 --> 02:07:56.680 the graphics for Turkey Shoot are decent. But then also 2147 02:07:57.640 --> 02:08:00.319 tob was not doing me any favors because every time 2148 02:08:00.359 --> 02:08:03.760 they would break for a commercial for Turkey Shoot the movie. 2149 02:08:04.359 --> 02:08:07.960 They weren't doing the commercial breaks and to be the channel. 2150 02:08:08.439 --> 02:08:11.760 So it was bizarre because I would get commercial breaks 2151 02:08:11.840 --> 02:08:14.119 in the show, in the movie, and then I would 2152 02:08:14.119 --> 02:08:16.319 get a commercial break like five minutes later, and I'm like, 2153 02:08:16.880 --> 02:08:19.439 it was very, very poorly timed, is what I'm trying 2154 02:08:19.479 --> 02:08:19.760 to say. 2155 02:08:20.199 --> 02:08:21.439 This is I've messed out. 2156 02:08:21.680 --> 02:08:28.560 Oh you've dodged a massive bullet, shitty reality TV aesthetic, nasty, 2157 02:08:28.720 --> 02:08:32.199 ugly facile. It actually made no sense. The plot made 2158 02:08:32.279 --> 02:08:35.640 no sense to me. And it's actually hard to fuck 2159 02:08:35.760 --> 02:08:38.840 up a people hunting people film, I think, because it's 2160 02:08:38.920 --> 02:08:42.640 basically fairly simple, and even the crappest people hunting people 2161 02:08:42.760 --> 02:08:46.560 films makes sense because you've got someone who's been hunted 2162 02:08:46.640 --> 02:08:49.159 by a group of people. But this sort of this 2163 02:08:49.359 --> 02:08:52.119 was actually sort of more. I mean, because there's two 2164 02:08:52.279 --> 02:08:54.840 types of those films. I suppose there's the people hunting 2165 02:08:54.920 --> 02:08:58.600 people film, where you've got a bunch of rich, weirdos alah, 2166 02:08:58.680 --> 02:09:03.560 the original Turkey Shoot are hunting people for for sadistic pleasure, 2167 02:09:04.399 --> 02:09:06.439 you know. But or then you've got what I sort 2168 02:09:06.479 --> 02:09:11.640 of call murder game films, which are films which are 2169 02:09:11.760 --> 02:09:16.079 about people who organize these hunting games as a sort 2170 02:09:16.119 --> 02:09:19.399 of and then televised them to a sort of passive 2171 02:09:19.479 --> 02:09:23.199 audience as a sort of way of passive pacify their 2172 02:09:23.279 --> 02:09:27.199 rebellious instincts. So this was sort of more a murder 2173 02:09:27.279 --> 02:09:29.800 game film than a sort of murder than a people 2174 02:09:29.920 --> 02:09:34.359 hunting people film, I suppose because it was being him. 2175 02:09:34.640 --> 02:09:39.239 The Turkey Shoot was being televised for the masses and 2176 02:09:39.640 --> 02:09:42.840 was apparently the highest rating television show in the world, 2177 02:09:42.920 --> 02:09:47.119 and it just got higher and higher ratings as Rick 2178 02:09:47.279 --> 02:09:50.199 Taylor disgraced former Navy seal. 2179 02:09:51.279 --> 02:09:52.720 The Butcher of Bakersfield. 2180 02:09:53.560 --> 02:09:56.159 Yes, yes, Dominic for who the fuck is Dominic Purcell. 2181 02:09:56.720 --> 02:10:01.039 He is mostly known for being Dracula Blade three and 2182 02:10:01.319 --> 02:10:03.680 being the guy who was stuck in prison during Olive 2183 02:10:03.760 --> 02:10:06.640 prison break, well prison break until they broke out of 2184 02:10:06.680 --> 02:10:09.960 the prison, and then the show just fizzled. Like nobody's business. 2185 02:10:10.800 --> 02:10:14.239 Everyone deserves paycheck, everyone's got to make a living. I 2186 02:10:14.319 --> 02:10:16.560 don't want to, I certainly don't want to criticize anything 2187 02:10:16.600 --> 02:10:19.279 to do with any of the Three Blade films, but 2188 02:10:19.439 --> 02:10:23.279 he was terrible. It was terrible. It made no sense. 2189 02:10:23.680 --> 02:10:28.359 It all the ram rob the Marksmen that ridiculous character 2190 02:10:28.560 --> 02:10:30.560 ram rob them. Why didn't you just call him, you know, 2191 02:10:31.640 --> 02:10:33.319 call him anal intercourse or something like that. 2192 02:10:33.520 --> 02:10:34.279 What do you what do you know? 2193 02:10:35.279 --> 02:10:37.800 Don't bother coding it, just come out and say it 2194 02:10:38.800 --> 02:10:43.960 all the other shitty characters. I think it's also you 2195 02:10:44.039 --> 02:10:45.680 can always tell when a film is going to be 2196 02:10:45.720 --> 02:10:50.319 crap when they call something neo neo Alcatraz, which was 2197 02:10:50.359 --> 02:10:52.000 this sort of I suppose a bit of a nod 2198 02:10:52.119 --> 02:10:55.760 to the Guantanamo Bay ABU Gray. It looked ugly. It 2199 02:10:55.920 --> 02:11:01.319 was just it was just terrible on every level. 2200 02:11:02.199 --> 02:11:07.439 They tried to sully the good name of Charlie Verick 2201 02:11:07.720 --> 02:11:12.319 because Anthony Ganen is back as President Charles Verick. I'm 2202 02:11:12.399 --> 02:11:15.239 just like, for fox sake, guys, what really breaks my 2203 02:11:15.359 --> 02:11:18.279 heart is so this was directed by John Hewitt, written 2204 02:11:18.359 --> 02:11:23.960 by Belinda McClory, who also is in it. She's his handler. 2205 02:11:25.000 --> 02:11:30.439 And Melinda Belinda McClory, she was switched in the Matrix 2206 02:11:30.560 --> 02:11:33.680 and I love her character, but not in this, not 2207 02:11:33.840 --> 02:11:34.039 in this. 2208 02:11:35.079 --> 02:11:37.399 I got to say, it really annoyed me the way 2209 02:11:37.439 --> 02:11:39.840 that everyone spoke in American accidents, even when they were 2210 02:11:39.880 --> 02:11:41.920 you know, they were all astraight, and it didn't. It 2211 02:11:42.000 --> 02:11:45.399 didn't work, I thought, Belinda McClory. 2212 02:11:46.279 --> 02:11:46.479 Yeah. 2213 02:11:46.800 --> 02:11:51.159 She was in a film, a really weird Melbourne sort 2214 02:11:51.199 --> 02:11:54.960 of cereal cop cop investigating a serial killer film called 2215 02:11:55.119 --> 02:11:56.479 red Ball. Oh. 2216 02:11:56.560 --> 02:11:57.800 I remember red Ball in. 2217 02:11:57.880 --> 02:12:01.039 Nineteen ninety nine that John Hewitt did. John Hewett also 2218 02:12:01.199 --> 02:12:04.640 did this version of Turkey Shoot that we're ragging on 2219 02:12:04.720 --> 02:12:08.720 at the moment. She was in the Matrix film. She 2220 02:12:08.920 --> 02:12:14.399 was in two really good Australian true crime shows in 2221 02:12:14.520 --> 02:12:17.880 the nineties, one called Janus and one called Phoenix. I 2222 02:12:18.039 --> 02:12:20.039 really like her. I think she's really good and she 2223 02:12:20.199 --> 02:12:21.880 was really good in Red Ball, and I actually quite 2224 02:12:22.039 --> 02:12:25.520 liked red Ball, even though I didn't think it completely worked, 2225 02:12:25.560 --> 02:12:27.720 but I liked what it was trying to try and 2226 02:12:27.840 --> 02:12:33.760 do so and to see her reduced to playing some 2227 02:12:34.039 --> 02:12:40.960 weird faux American handler of discrossed former military Navy seal 2228 02:12:41.600 --> 02:12:44.920 Rick Tyler was just a bit sad. Actually. 2229 02:12:45.840 --> 02:12:48.119 She was also in one called The Book of Revelation, 2230 02:12:48.279 --> 02:12:50.399 which we're actually going to cover next year. 2231 02:12:51.399 --> 02:12:52.600 What's that I haven't heard of that. 2232 02:12:53.600 --> 02:12:58.439 It's an interesting one. It's an erratic mystery. Basically, these 2233 02:12:58.840 --> 02:13:00.399 women I think they kidnap. 2234 02:13:01.439 --> 02:13:01.640 Oh. 2235 02:13:01.760 --> 02:13:04.000 Yes, the Book of Revelite. Yes, yes, they kidnap a 2236 02:13:04.079 --> 02:13:06.760 guy and sexually abuse him and release him. I've never 2237 02:13:06.880 --> 02:13:09.039 seen that. I've never seen that film. I've got it 2238 02:13:09.079 --> 02:13:12.199 on DVD somewhere, I must. Yes, and the Kokonos. 2239 02:13:13.119 --> 02:13:15.920 I remember watching that years and years ago for an 2240 02:13:16.000 --> 02:13:18.239 article I was writing and actually really liking it, so 2241 02:13:18.359 --> 02:13:21.079 I threw it down the schedule for Dirty December twenty 2242 02:13:21.159 --> 02:13:21.680 twenty five. 2243 02:13:22.680 --> 02:13:25.640 Dirty, You're theming in months now? I like that even 2244 02:13:25.720 --> 02:13:26.000 more so. 2245 02:13:26.439 --> 02:13:29.960 Yeah, Well, I just was like, well, we got Conspirators 2246 02:13:30.039 --> 02:13:33.439 of Pleasure and Story of Oh. I'm like, yeah, these 2247 02:13:33.479 --> 02:13:36.720 are all going in one area please, and then it'll 2248 02:13:36.760 --> 02:13:39.800 be a very fun November for me next year, so 2249 02:13:39.920 --> 02:13:42.680 I don't have to you know, I'll be a missed 2250 02:13:42.800 --> 02:13:46.399 family holidays, but having a much better time watching these movies. 2251 02:13:47.279 --> 02:13:49.279 Also, do you think the movie would have been better 2252 02:13:49.279 --> 02:13:53.199 if they just called the character anal intercourse? The marts it. 2253 02:13:53.199 --> 02:13:55.720 Says, what was it trying to be? Just a sort 2254 02:13:55.720 --> 02:13:58.960 of shitty reality TV film. I don't know it lacked 2255 02:14:00.000 --> 02:14:01.960 any of the final I know it's strange to sort 2256 02:14:02.000 --> 02:14:04.279 of say that Turkeys. The original Turkey shot has some 2257 02:14:04.439 --> 02:14:06.880 finesse and some playfulness to it. But it does, and 2258 02:14:07.439 --> 02:14:09.239 it's like, let's take all that out. 2259 02:14:10.119 --> 02:14:13.399 There was a movie with Steve Austin and Vinnie Jones 2260 02:14:13.479 --> 02:14:17.079 called The Condemned. It was another people hunting people movie. 2261 02:14:17.119 --> 02:14:18.960 I went to see that piece of shit at the 2262 02:14:19.039 --> 02:14:22.479 movie theater. It was ten times to one hundred times 2263 02:14:22.560 --> 02:14:26.000 better than an elimination game. And like I made that 2264 02:14:26.119 --> 02:14:28.520 joke about most extreme elimination challenge. When you call it 2265 02:14:28.600 --> 02:14:32.159 elimination game, I picture two guys on toilets staring at 2266 02:14:32.199 --> 02:14:36.920 each other and trying to shit faster. The new reality show. 2267 02:14:37.039 --> 02:14:38.079 Would have been a better film. 2268 02:14:38.920 --> 02:14:41.359 Oh my god, I hope there's not fanfic for that. 2269 02:14:42.319 --> 02:14:44.800 Just don't see it. Don't waste your time. Watch something, 2270 02:14:44.920 --> 02:14:48.119 Go and watch, Go and rewatch something, Go and do so, 2271 02:14:48.239 --> 02:14:50.359 go and don't do Just go read a book over 2272 02:14:50.399 --> 02:14:53.720 a walk, tell your partner you love them, do something else, 2273 02:14:53.840 --> 02:14:57.840 but don't watch this film. That's my that's sorry, And 2274 02:14:57.880 --> 02:15:01.600 I'm glad that Brian Trench and Smith may Adola as 2275 02:15:01.960 --> 02:15:05.319 I think he was an executive producer. Don't want to 2276 02:15:05.359 --> 02:15:09.600 criticize that, but just an absolute pace of staving shit. 2277 02:15:10.359 --> 02:15:12.199 We're going to take another break and play a preview 2278 02:15:12.239 --> 02:15:15.319 for next week's show. Right after these brief messages, thank 2279 02:15:15.359 --> 02:15:15.680 you for. 2280 02:15:15.720 --> 02:15:20.479 Agreeing to make this documentary. Mnis Rucker Rouse with Trucker. 2281 02:15:21.640 --> 02:15:22.800 That's my wife, Darlene. 2282 02:15:23.199 --> 02:15:26.319 She's a real looker, ain't she? What is your contribution 2283 02:15:26.479 --> 02:15:32.560 to society as Truckers? A contribution to society? Twenty eight 2284 02:15:32.640 --> 02:15:35.279 years of my life. I've been working on this poetry. 2285 02:15:37.920 --> 02:15:39.319 It's lonely up there on the road. 2286 02:15:39.600 --> 02:15:40.640 You gotta love where you can. 2287 02:15:41.039 --> 02:15:41.920 I love Darlene. 2288 02:15:42.159 --> 02:15:44.119 I'm not saying you don't love your wife. 2289 02:15:44.960 --> 02:15:46.279 Yeah, it's hard to being on the road. 2290 02:15:47.039 --> 02:15:54.159 Hellone, it looks a lot lacker because Darling's much pretty. 2291 02:15:58.159 --> 02:15:59.960 Your wife not doing it for you anymore? 2292 02:16:01.079 --> 02:16:02.239 Do you want to show you how I do it? 2293 02:16:03.680 --> 02:16:06.199 Do you think you're like your masterpiece when you're Jonathan 2294 02:16:06.680 --> 02:16:07.359 master Piece? 2295 02:16:08.000 --> 02:16:08.840 I like the ring of that. 2296 02:16:13.399 --> 02:16:13.880 Pay attention. 2297 02:16:17.319 --> 02:16:20.119 You're not taking advantage of her, are you sure? 2298 02:16:34.239 --> 02:16:34.520 Rucker? 2299 02:16:34.639 --> 02:16:35.000 Trucker? 2300 02:16:39.559 --> 02:16:41.559 That's right. We'll be back next week when they look 2301 02:16:41.600 --> 02:16:44.319 at the film. Rucker. Until then, I want to thank 2302 02:16:44.360 --> 02:16:47.079 this week's co host Andrew and Heather. Heather, what is 2303 02:16:47.120 --> 02:16:48.120 the latest with you, ma'am? 2304 02:16:48.879 --> 02:16:51.079 I actually, since we were talking about Austria and cinema, 2305 02:16:51.319 --> 02:16:53.959 I'm going to mention an essay I did somewhat recently 2306 02:16:54.079 --> 02:16:58.280 for the Blu Ray release of Midnight Spares and if 2307 02:16:58.319 --> 02:16:59.799 I let's see if you're up for there, the nineteen 2308 02:16:59.799 --> 02:17:04.120 eighty three Australian film directed by Quentin Masters, and it 2309 02:17:04.360 --> 02:17:07.920 is a wild ride that is wild as Turkey shared, 2310 02:17:08.120 --> 02:17:12.319 but it's a great it's a great film and it 2311 02:17:12.479 --> 02:17:14.840 has David arc here, so I feel like this is 2312 02:17:15.040 --> 02:17:18.520 David Argue, a heavy keeps lotting he is in this film, 2313 02:17:18.559 --> 02:17:21.520 as in Bruce Spence. They're side characters, but they are phenomenal. 2314 02:17:21.559 --> 02:17:23.319 Bruce Spence of Chris is another one of those guys. 2315 02:17:23.399 --> 02:17:26.239 It's just like a gift and everything. So it's available 2316 02:17:26.280 --> 02:17:29.799 on Vinegar Syndrome. So check that out and you read 2317 02:17:29.879 --> 02:17:32.559 my little essay for it as well. But in the meantime, 2318 02:17:32.760 --> 02:17:35.239 to keep up with all of my sundry activities, you 2319 02:17:35.280 --> 02:17:38.959 could go to my link treelinktree dot com, Forward, Slash, Mondo, 2320 02:17:39.040 --> 02:17:40.239 Heather and Andrew. 2321 02:17:40.280 --> 02:17:41.600 What's going on in your world, sir? 2322 02:17:42.079 --> 02:17:43.639 You know I'm rolling a law. I have a new 2323 02:17:43.639 --> 02:17:47.079 book out which I've co edited with New York critic 2324 02:17:47.120 --> 02:17:52.239 Sam Degan, Revolution and thirty five Millimeter political violence and 2325 02:17:52.360 --> 02:17:55.079 resistance in cinema From the Art House to the grind 2326 02:17:55.159 --> 02:17:59.639 House nineteen sixty and nineteen ninety. And that book is 2327 02:17:59.680 --> 02:18:03.639 out through PM Press or it's wheeling its way out 2328 02:18:03.680 --> 02:18:07.879 to the world. I believe pre orders are going out. Mike, 2329 02:18:08.000 --> 02:18:08.959 you have an essay in US. 2330 02:18:10.200 --> 02:18:11.879 Not only do I have an essay, and I've got 2331 02:18:11.959 --> 02:18:13.600 the cop I've got the book right here. 2332 02:18:13.680 --> 02:18:15.600 So you might want to pick that up. Otherwise you 2333 02:18:15.760 --> 02:18:19.840 can if you want to hear my read my various 2334 02:18:19.920 --> 02:18:22.319 thoughts on things. I have a sub stack under my 2335 02:18:22.479 --> 02:18:25.520 name Andrew Netty, which you can you can subscribe to 2336 02:18:26.079 --> 02:18:27.120 or not, It's up to you. 2337 02:18:27.959 --> 02:18:29.920 Well, thank you so much folks for being on the show. 2338 02:18:30.040 --> 02:18:32.079 Thanks to everybody for listening. If you want to hear 2339 02:18:32.120 --> 02:18:33.760 more of me shooting off my mouth, check out some 2340 02:18:33.840 --> 02:18:35.559 of the other shows that I work on. They are 2341 02:18:35.639 --> 02:18:39.000 all available at Weirdingmaymedia dot com. Thanks especially to our 2342 02:18:39.040 --> 02:18:41.680 Patreon community. If you want to join the community, visit 2343 02:18:41.799 --> 02:18:45.040 patreon dot com slash Projection Booth. Every donation we get 2344 02:18:45.120 --> 02:18:47.319 helps the Projection Booth take over the world. 2345 02:19:26.280 --> 02:19:32.600 All deviates assemble immediately in center compounds. All deviates assemble 2346 02:19:32.680 --> 02:19:34.760 immediately in center compound. 2347 02:19:36.959 --> 02:19:44.079 All deviates assemble immediately in center compounds, all debates